Zanu Project Rethink - No Black Country Will Ever Develop — Transcript

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1. 0:02[Music]
2. 0:12hello everyone and welcome to another
3. 0:14episode with Frank zanu the host of zpr
4. 0:18zanu project rethink yes we do get
5. 0:21people to rethink their conclusions and
6. 0:23answers today I'm in the
7. 0:25studio with some wonderful group of
8. 0:28people they make me miss home so bad I
9. 0:32have in the studio today students from
10. 0:34the University of uh Bridgeport they're
11. 0:36not just students from International
12. 0:38African students at the University of
13. 0:40Bridgeport now Bridgeport university
14. 0:42happened to be my arm mother and I won't
15. 0:44tell them the class I graduated makes me
16. 0:46really and uh the reason I'm excited is
17. 0:49because they are gen Z and each time I
18. 0:51have a gen Z in the studio the
19. 0:52conversation is very interesting because
20. 0:55their perspective is different mine is
21. 0:57different and we're trying to bridge the
22. 1:00Gap we will get straight to it right now
23. 1:03we have here Theo akfu per uh business
24. 1:08administration of course uh so by that
25. 1:11name you're from Ghana I am yeah woo
26. 1:14that's also my home and then we have
27. 1:16with us Benita in who is in
28. 1:22nursing my last name y so mean the child
29. 1:26of w is like child of like child of God
30. 1:30so what is losier losier is like well
31. 1:33losier is more like God's Own oh I see
32. 1:37it's different a little bit from uh
33. 1:39chinu and uh wow man you got all right
34. 1:43and you are from Nigeria Nigeria so we
35. 1:46have a ghanian and who's who has the
36. 1:48best y love oh we can't talk about that
37. 1:51now that's another she knows the truth
38. 1:53that's correct and now what is
39. 1:54interested is that interesting is that
40. 1:56the students are also members of the
41. 1:59African student Association at the
42. 2:01University of Bridgeport an organization
43. 2:03that I was a co-founder back in the '90s
44. 2:05and they've kept it alive they get some
45. 2:07really very interesting events happen on
46. 2:10campus one is coming up soon is it 13th
47. 2:13of uh March or 17th I believe it's the
48. 2:1714 14th of March 14th of March and what
49. 2:19is it going to be well it's a royal Fox
50. 2:23wedding so this one is like uh just
51. 2:26bringing like you know Nigerian and GH
52. 2:28ghanian culture a wedding yes in terms
53. 2:31of a wedding okay just to Showcase what
54. 2:33weddings look like back there a lot of
55. 2:35uh dollars is going to be rained on the
56. 2:37on the bride and stuff like that as we
57. 2:39see in the videos yeah it's usually very
58. 2:41colorful so if you are in town if you
59. 2:43are within the Fai County March 14 March
60. 2:4714 the campus of the University of
61. 2:49Bridgeport please come and support if
62. 2:51you are if you are an alumni living in
63. 2:53please please I'll be there I'll be
64. 2:55there and we want to make it look really
65. 2:57good so thank you guys for keeping Asa
66. 2:59still burning on campus and today you in
67. 3:02the studio not to talk about ASA right
68. 3:04so I sent you guys a note when I came to
69. 3:06visit and I said to you that of course
70. 3:09one of the things that is burning right
71. 3:11now is every African country is looking
72. 3:13to become developed right because we are
73. 3:15the only continent that is labeled as
74. 3:18underdeveloped uh countries and we've
75. 3:20accepted it and we know why and we've
76. 3:22been trying whether you're a ghanian or
77. 3:24Nigerian or we all trying right and then
78. 3:27I said well the effort is useless
79. 3:29because no black country would ever
80. 3:33develop let me explain what I mean by
81. 3:35black countries meaning the 54 that is
82. 3:37on the continent the 13 black countries
83. 3:39in the Caribbean the Black communities
84. 3:41in the United States in UK or wherever
85. 3:44you are you are never ever going
86. 3:47to develop can you also explain what you
87. 3:51mean by develop like in terms of
88. 3:54economics or technology or a very good
89. 3:57question I was going to throw that to
90. 3:59you because all I keep hearing when you
91. 4:01turn on to Facebook or Instagram and
92. 4:03it's ghanians or Nigerians or S Leones
93. 4:06our country must develop tinu is a bad
94. 4:08man today because he is not moving
95. 4:10Nigeria to where it must go from the 60s
96. 4:12all you've been talking about is we are
97. 4:15we are accepted the label in the 70s as
98. 4:18underdeveloped countries we did there's
99. 4:20no debate about that we use it in our
100. 4:23IMF applications we are third world
101. 4:26underdeveloped countries so that's what
102. 4:28I mean so you have to tell me me what
103. 4:30you mean when you said I'm crazy by
104. 4:32saying you won't develop it means you
105. 4:34understood what I
106. 4:35meant yes um I I feel like the African
107. 4:40countries well for me I just went home
108. 4:42to Ghana I I haven't been home in a
109. 4:44while so seeing the Country Now versus
110. 4:47like the four years four three years ago
111. 4:50when I was there I see a lot of
112. 4:52differences I see I see
113. 4:55Evolution um I just saw like this
114. 4:58morning um I know this this is kind of
115. 5:00off topic but I saw like Burkina Faso
116. 5:02they just created their first um
117. 5:05electric car like their
118. 5:07first local completely um original
119. 5:12electric vehicle in that country that
120. 5:14would seem so like far-fetched like 5 10
121. 5:18years ago from an African country so I
122. 5:21do think that development is possible in
123. 5:24African countries even though it might
124. 5:26be way not even way slow well it has
125. 5:29been considerably slower than before I
126. 5:32jump ahead of you can you name the
127. 5:34company in Bina Faso a car company that
128. 5:36was established opened by a binab bay a
129. 5:40citizen what is the name and which cars
130. 5:42did this car company made first before
131. 5:44this
132. 5:45electric car I can't you can't where did
133. 5:48you see it I saw it on Instagram today
134. 5:51actually I'm really disappointed you are
135. 5:54in college and social media is not a
136. 5:57place for fact fetched news or stories
137. 5:59Bina Faso has not manufactured designed
138. 6:02and rolled out an electric car they
139. 6:04haven't rolled it out yet but they they
140. 6:07just designed and designed I thought you
141. 6:09said people are test driving the car on
142. 6:11the streets of binab I did not say that
143. 6:13oh so where is I hasn't been out yet no
144. 6:14no where is it a toyer who designed it
145. 6:17well I you don't know which company the
146. 6:19toyer what i t a o a i and it's owned by
147. 6:23who might SP I might have spelled that
148. 6:24wrong I don't know who you don't know it
149. 6:26could be a foreign company that came to
150. 6:28Bina Faso and Design a car and said we
151. 6:30could manufacture from this place that
152. 6:32is not something you say is for a
153. 6:34developed that's not development but you
154. 6:36also I mean it's a sign we don't know we
155. 6:39cannot use that as an example of what
156. 6:40you're talking I haven't seen it I
157. 6:42haven't I need to see it and say that
158. 6:44they they've uh do you know how long it
159. 6:45took Tesla to roll out one car even the
160. 6:48design to be complete and be a prototype
161. 6:50so no it's not true but you can't just
162. 6:53say it's not true just because because
163. 6:54you don't know the name of the company
164. 6:55you don't know the fact I just told you
165. 6:56the name of the company I just because
166. 6:58it was written on the Instagram
167. 7:01yeah give you that well in my
168. 7:04perspective like I do feel like where
169. 7:06I'm from like we struggle with a lot of
170. 7:08economic it's a lot of economic
171. 7:10struggles like we Face due to like
172. 7:12leadership and things like that but I
173. 7:14just feel like we do have the capability
174. 7:17of being developed cuz I see like cuz
175. 7:20being transitioned from like Nigeria to
176. 7:21like here I've seen like the difference
177. 7:23in like motivation and people wanting to
178. 7:25see change in Nigeria rather than
179. 7:28compared to here people just like you
180. 7:29know they get what they want
181. 7:30everything's easy to them but like in
182. 7:32Nigeria like even though like we
183. 7:34struggle with many like factors with
184. 7:35economic we do see like there is going
185. 7:38to be a change is is going to be uh like
186. 7:40sooner or later will be development in
187. 7:42that country I just feel like we like us
188. 7:45Nigerians we have motivation to like
189. 7:47have that and like do that change so I
190. 7:49do like my P my perspective I do see
191. 7:52that there is going to be a change in
192. 7:54Nigeria sure every four years there is a
193. 7:57change in Nigeria there's a change in
194. 7:58every country so let's back up a little
195. 8:00bit maybe we ahead of
196. 8:02ourselves what is it in
197. 8:08Nigeria what is not there that makes you
198. 8:11say that it's not developed what is not
199. 8:14there yes I mean some people may say
200. 8:17like theu no you have to say you speak
201. 8:19yes Ghana what is not there that makes
202. 8:23you say Ghana is not developed what is
203. 8:25it
204. 8:30you well for my country I'll say like
205. 8:32what is not there it's just like there's
206. 8:35lack of
207. 8:36leadership like in my country so that
208. 8:39lack of leadership what has it not
209. 8:41provided Nigeria that makes you and I
210. 8:43know I've lived there that it's not a
211. 8:44developed country yes it's not what is
212. 8:46it that is not
213. 8:48there well what from what I see and like
214. 8:51what like family tell me like in terms
215. 8:53of leadership it's just like there's no
216. 8:56structure there's no structure explain
217. 8:58structure
218. 9:00like basically like there's a lot of
219. 9:01like inflation going on right now in
220. 9:03Nigeria inflation has gone on here in
221. 9:05America yes but do you have everything
222. 9:09and inflation happen to you can be a
223. 9:10healthy man and catch fever that's how
224. 9:12inflation works so do you have
225. 9:14everything that makes a country
226. 9:15developed but you have
227. 9:18inflation well okay so yes there even
228. 9:21though there's inflation like in Nigeria
229. 9:23like we we have the resource I do
230. 9:26believe we have resources we have
231. 9:27resource I'm talking about it's
232. 9:29developed country no it's not so I'm
233. 9:31asking what is it that is not there that
234. 9:33makes it
235. 9:35underdeveloped well leadership
236. 9:38butel you can have a bad
237. 9:40president we just had one but the
238. 9:42country was still sailing
239. 9:45smoothly but the thing is um even even
240. 9:49if they did have like the right people
241. 9:51or the resources like she's saying it's
242. 9:54the people in the country not wanting to
243. 9:56like do what they have to they don't
244. 10:00want to yes and why don't they want to
245. 10:02because they're selfish and want to why
246. 10:04they're selfish who takes his own home
247. 10:07and watch it deteriorate because you're
248. 10:11selfish you wouldn't do that that is
249. 10:12your country everybody like she said has
250. 10:14a Zeal want to do something so let me
251. 10:16take you now on a different road but
252. 10:18it's the same
253. 10:19path when you two when did you discover
254. 10:26that Ghana Nigeria was not developed and
255. 10:29how did you come to that realization
256. 10:32there was something about health and you
257. 10:34are in nursing when you go to the doctor
258. 10:36there's something interesting they
259. 10:37always ask you hey dog I'm having a
260. 10:40toothache they ask you when did it start
261. 10:42right because it helps the doctor to
262. 10:44know how
263. 10:46to so if you say oh just two weeks ago
264. 10:48it would be a different approach he
265. 10:50would use how about if you told him I
266. 10:52was born with it there'll be a different
267. 10:55approach so you know you're not well
268. 10:57because yesterday day before you were
269. 10:59healthy you had appetite you woke up
270. 11:01this morning you don't have appetite
271. 11:03you're not feeling well so you tell the
272. 11:04doctor I am not well because you knew so
273. 11:07when did you discover that Nigeria or
274. 11:09Ghana was not developed when did we
275. 11:11discover yes how did you know when that
276. 11:14when is important it would be when I
277. 11:17came here for school when I discovered
278. 11:19myself rather than being told in school
279. 11:20cuz I was told in school when I was in
280. 11:22Ghana that you know we're a third world
281. 11:24country were underdeveloped compared to
282. 11:26the other you know so when did you know
283. 11:28that your country was not developed um
284. 11:31coming here I would say how about you I
285. 11:33would say same with me because I was
286. 11:34raised in Nigeria and I didn't see
287. 11:36anything wrong I guess I was like young
288. 11:38but like I wasn't like I didn't see
289. 11:40myself struggling that's correct so then
290. 11:43when I came here it's like I saw like a
291. 11:45huge difference like withing like health
292. 11:47and things and school education things
293. 11:49like that very good all right now let's
294. 11:51dive into what is the real me of this
295. 11:54discussion what do Nigerians have in
296. 11:56common with American white Americans the
297. 11:58was who founded this
298. 12:00country except both of them being human
299. 12:02beings what do they have in
300. 12:04common I mean there are people that have
301. 12:07innovation no no no what do they have in
302. 12:10common with Nigerian physically yes
303. 12:12beside being human beings the
304. 12:14environment culture history what do they
305. 12:16have in common with Nigerians or
306. 12:17ghanians or let's start using the word
307. 12:19Africans what do they have in
308. 12:22common
309. 12:24nothing can't think of so you see what
310. 12:28you have done so if there was no country
311. 12:30on Earth but Africa is the only
312. 12:33continent on
313. 12:35Earth would you still call it the third
314. 12:37world
315. 12:39country no no then Nigeria would not be
316. 12:42underdeveloped am I not
317. 12:44right so the day the mother deer or the
318. 12:48mother Antelope took its babies out that
319. 12:51was the first time they saw the tiger or
320. 12:53the lion and saw Its Behavior it can run
321. 12:55a mile in 9 seconds grab other animals
322. 12:58and tear them into pieces and the mother
323. 13:00deer said wow that is a superior animal
324. 13:03what does that mean to the baby deer
325. 13:06will you ever do that no so the baby
326. 13:09deer is inferior for the rest of his
327. 13:11life that's what you've done with your
328. 13:13countries you're comparing your country
329. 13:15and the day you knew your country was
330. 13:17not developed is because you look at
331. 13:18another country where the people who
332. 13:20live it who build it have nothing in
333. 13:21common with
334. 13:24you when I say that no black country
335. 13:26would ever develop I meant
336. 13:30the basic things that is required the
337. 13:33four pillar Foundation that you find in
338. 13:36every developed country but there is no
339. 13:39developed country there are only two
340. 13:40types of countries on Earth
341. 13:42industrialized countries and
342. 13:44non-industrialized
343. 13:45countries so if I tell you ghanian
344. 13:48Africans your people are underdeveloped
345. 13:51ghanians are underdeveloped would you
346. 13:52accept it no how about you no then how
347. 13:57can a place there's no place you can't
348. 13:59have a country without people so how did
349. 14:01you call the country itself under
350. 14:03developed yet claim that the people who
351. 14:04live in it are developed it's because of
352. 14:07the infrastructure no but what I'm
353. 14:10saying is if the people were developed
354. 14:12shouldn't they build what they supposed
355. 14:13to build but it's the resources as well
356. 14:15the lack of resources what resources do
357. 14:17you lack there are only four resources
358. 14:19I'll come to it and tell you you have
359. 14:21plenty of it than anybody else on Earth
360. 14:23so you see the comparison is when you
361. 14:25began to know that your country but the
362. 14:28four pillars of the four pillar
363. 14:30Foundation required in any develop
364. 14:32industrialized country no black country
365. 14:35has it those are do you know what is
366. 14:38wasp WP white the race Anglo-Saxon the
367. 14:42ethnicity Protestants the religion and
368. 14:45their
369. 14:47history right so is it when they came to
370. 14:51colonize our our continent and then left
371. 14:55I'm saying that that is a four pillar
372. 14:57Foundation Japanese the language the
373. 15:00ethnicity they Japanese the history they
374. 15:03and then their religion their religion
375. 15:05Germans lutherans the English are
376. 15:08anglicans they wasp they are formerly a
377. 15:10Germanic tribe that occupy what we call
378. 15:12now the UK or the English land England
379. 15:15okay China you see it even though you
380. 15:18have pockets of different tribes they
381. 15:19all speak Mandarin they all from the
382. 15:21mean dynasty they all share the same
383. 15:23religion and the same history let me ask
384. 15:26you who is a Nigerian
385. 15:32I would say someone who's like who's
386. 15:33born there or someone like who's like
387. 15:35well parents are from there or raised so
388. 15:37what is Nigerian
389. 15:38[Music]
390. 15:40culture it varies because in Niger so
391. 15:43the answer is there's no such thing what
392. 15:45do Nigerians
393. 15:46speak multiple languages there's no such
394. 15:48thing what is the value sensus of value
395. 15:51of Nigeria as a culture there is no such
396. 15:54thing what is the history of
397. 15:55Nigeria there is no such thing unless
398. 15:58you start from 19 60 when we gain
399. 15:59independent yet the EOS have been around
400. 16:02that place more than 900 years the B
401. 16:05Kingdom have been around that place
402. 16:06close to A Thousand Years the euroba
403. 16:08Empire has been around close to a
404. 16:11thousand years but when you say what is
405. 16:12a Nigerian culture Nigerian history you
406. 16:14can only start from
407. 16:171960 so are you saying like is the
408. 16:20people like is the people's fault that
409. 16:23we're not like developing even like back
410. 16:25then like is it no we haven't even come
411. 16:27to the point of whether you developing
412. 16:28or not developing I'm just simply saying
413. 16:30the four pillar Foundation that is
414. 16:32required for people to say this is ours
415. 16:35and this is the dream since you were
416. 16:37born have you seen a blueprint by your
417. 16:39ancestors that says this is where Ghana
418. 16:41is going and by the year 2040 Ghana will
419. 16:44be this have you seen it not exactly but
420. 16:47like they have their plans well I see it
421. 16:50in the news on the government news but
422. 16:52I'm saying what is ghanian blueprint
423. 16:54have you seen the constitution of
424. 16:55America it says clearly what they are
425. 16:57going to be how about Nigeria no no
426. 17:01exactly so you don't have a blueprint
427. 17:03like trying to build a house with no
428. 17:05architectural plan two you don't have
429. 17:07the four pillar Foundation
430. 17:09required let me ask you the 63 black
431. 17:13countries in the world do you know any
432. 17:14black country where the people who live
433. 17:16in it founded
434. 17:17it by founding I mean a group of people
435. 17:21like the euroba kingdom moving around
436. 17:24and came upon a land that is fertile has
437. 17:26what they want and they settled there
438. 17:27even if they have to kill the IND and
439. 17:29steal their women they did and then made
440. 17:32it into a republic is there such a thing
441. 17:33on earth a place a country where the
442. 17:36blacks who live in it were the ones who
443. 17:38founded
444. 17:39it the Caribbean the 13 black countries
445. 17:43Africa has 54 of them put together the
446. 17:45largest race on Earth by number of
447. 17:47countries which black country do you
448. 17:49know were the people who live in it
449. 17:51founded
450. 17:53it I just know one that who founded
451. 17:56Ghana which ghanian founded Ghana
452. 18:00no no British founded Ghana and gave it
453. 18:03to him when he was complaining too much
454. 18:04in his independence but that was who
455. 18:07founded Nigeria which I actually did not
456. 18:09know that's corre because no Nigerian
457. 18:11founded Nigeria the Ben Kingdom found a
458. 18:14Ben
459. 18:14Kingdom found
460. 18:16EUR you understand what I'm saying yeah
461. 18:19but I'm talking about
462. 18:21Nigeria but I see what you're saying
463. 18:24okay what about um like Ethiopia a
464. 18:28country that was never colonized Sone
465. 18:30was never colonized Sone yes they just
466. 18:33pull back slaves there so what it
467. 18:37doesn't mean anything still their
468. 18:38country was CED by the
469. 18:42Europeans so how do you expect that a
470. 18:48people can build something they did not
471. 18:53desire I'm trying to lead you slowly
472. 18:55your conclusion not mine but all the
473. 18:58people who are going to listen because
474. 18:59you guys are going to become members of
475. 19:01parliament in the future you are going
476. 19:02to be the leaders of this continent if
477. 19:04you want to go back you need to have
478. 19:06something in your mind to say this is
479. 19:07what is wrong and I want to change it
480. 19:08otherwise we are all going to be
481. 19:10swimming in the dark for the rest of our
482. 19:11lives no black country on Earth will
483. 19:14become industrialized impossible you
484. 19:17said resources people keep complaining
485. 19:19and telling you that the reason African
486. 19:21countries can't develop is because the
487. 19:24white people stole their resources it's
488. 19:26a lie there are four resources nobody
489. 19:28they can steal water is one of them did
490. 19:31you see tanks from Britain taking all
491. 19:33your water away no fella sang a song in
492. 19:371981 water house Food House hey waiting
493. 19:41to them right 1981 do you know how many
494. 19:44years ago he was complaining about there
495. 19:45is water over ground the Niger River
496. 19:48goes through Nigeria no Nigerian can get
497. 19:50a cup of water pure one from his pipe in
498. 19:53his own room you have tanks on every
499. 19:55building that's one they didn't take it
500. 19:57away the second one is l land the
501. 19:59Colonials didn't take it away you have
502. 20:01vegetative land in Nigeria if Japan own
503. 20:03it they will feed half of the world with
504. 20:05food
505. 20:06export the third one solar energy 365
506. 20:10days we don't get winter we don't get
507. 20:12spring we don't get Autumn is there have
508. 20:13you harvested it you go build a a
509. 20:16electric car when you can't even give
510. 20:17people electricity in their homes in
511. 20:19Bina Faso what are you going to use to
512. 20:22charge you understand so solar that's
513. 20:24the third one so the fourth one is of
514. 20:28course
515. 20:29uh Manpower resources okay from the
516. 20:32intellect into physical they didn't take
517. 20:34it away so all four things that help
518. 20:36other countries to build themselves you
519. 20:38have it you have it more than anybody
520. 20:40the Congo aone the Congo has water
521. 20:42Reserve enough to fit the whole of
522. 20:45central Africa for the next 250 years
523. 20:47and not even have a drop kids in Congo
524. 20:50can't even take a clean shower because
525. 20:51of lack of water Trana is the northern
526. 20:54part of Kenya it has it took some
527. 20:56foreign guys from Denmark to tap into to
528. 20:58the aqua fire to know that Trana has
529. 21:01over 200 trillions I don't know even the
530. 21:04number how they measure water
531. 21:07liters in Kenya but the people of Trana
532. 21:10every year their cattles and humans who
533. 21:13die you can see it and we will be
534. 21:16sending them in PESA and foreigners will
535. 21:18Rush there to save they can't tap the
536. 21:21water to feed themselves so what do you
537. 21:22think the internal issue
538. 21:24is are you asking us to come to that
539. 21:27conclusion you are the one who said I'm
540. 21:28Crazy by saying you can't develop now we
541. 21:30have seen clearly that nothing has been
542. 21:31taken away you have
543. 21:34everything so when we are not blaming
544. 21:37the Colonials for stealing resources
545. 21:39which is a boogeyman we use just to
546. 21:41explain as if we the only ones who were
547. 21:42colonized if stealing of resources is
548. 21:45the reason for colonization Ben will not
549. 21:47be colonized we have nothing but coconut
550. 21:49trees on the
551. 21:51beach Gambia would didn't be colonized
552. 21:53TJ Island would be colonized many places
553. 21:56Gambia W be colonized it's not for
554. 21:58stealing resources it's too expensive
555. 22:00and it's too cumbersome Colonial they
556. 22:02don't steal resources and they
557. 22:04didn't everything you discovered now was
558. 22:06discovered after
559. 22:08colonization but we use it as a boogy
560. 22:10man and when we not talking about
561. 22:12resources the countries don't have
562. 22:13resources they say
563. 22:16oh it's our leaders they're corrupt it's
564. 22:18not
565. 22:20true those leaders you have that you
566. 22:22keep saying where did you employ them
567. 22:24from
568. 22:26China they are from among you right yeah
569. 22:29so every years randomly you pick one of
570. 22:32you but you expect that person to know
571. 22:36different from what you know not
572. 22:38different but they should be willing to
573. 22:41willing what do you mean willing willing
574. 22:43happens if you know what you
575. 22:47do I feel like they should like picking
576. 22:51like presidency especially like in
577. 22:53Nigeria like they should see the things
578. 22:55that us like you know people struggle
579. 22:57with in Society so we expect them to
580. 23:00like okay like this is what we're
581. 23:01struggling with this is what it is your
582. 23:04fault how do you know that he has what
583. 23:06it takes to fix it no I'm not saying
584. 23:08that he has what it takes I'm saying
585. 23:10that like people expect like I think
586. 23:12like in Nigeria cuz like people like is
587. 23:14trying to vote for like presidency and
588. 23:16things like that and we all expect for
589. 23:18the president to like see what is going
590. 23:20on in the society and say okay like we
591. 23:23hope for you to like make this change
592. 23:24and like you know they'll put like
593. 23:25theirself out there saying oh I will
594. 23:27address this I will address this and
595. 23:29then when they come into presidency it's
596. 23:31like the exact opposite or like yes
597. 23:33because you corrupted them who corrupted
598. 23:36them the
599. 23:37masses no African leader is
600. 23:40corrupt that just makes you're going to
601. 23:43have to elaborate on that
602. 23:45corrupted so how we corrupt like the
603. 23:48people corrupted the like what like what
604. 23:49do you mean by corrupted like who corrup
605. 23:52so when computers started right when we
606. 23:54had computers in high Towers you know
607. 23:57that computer has a program in it
608. 23:59and so you have to only introduce what
609. 24:01it can use the program to understand
610. 24:02right so when people use more Weare to
611. 24:04introduce your hard drive what do you
612. 24:06say happened to your wi drive my hard
613. 24:07drive is corrupted which means you you
614. 24:10you gave it something to do that is not
615. 24:12part of what he knows how to
616. 24:14do Colonial is Left Behind a political
617. 24:17system and you hang on to it and then
618. 24:20you're picking one of you to use it to
619. 24:22do
620. 24:23something you said that's what you
621. 24:25wanted you said every four years you
622. 24:27want to go out there and pick one of you
623. 24:28to lead you so somebody said okay pick
624. 24:30me look at my suit it's nice and I speak
625. 24:32your language and you picked them you've
626. 24:36introduce a tax to this man or woman who
627. 24:40you don't know if he knows he doesn't
628. 24:42own a country we just proven to you
629. 24:44there is no country but you're asking
630. 24:46him to Le something that is not there if
631. 24:48you give your Lamborghini to your
632. 24:50seven-year-old you've corrupted his
633. 24:52skills he runs into people or he runs
634. 24:54into a
635. 24:55tree the people you've been pinking
636. 24:57since Independence don't know how to do
637. 24:59what you're asking them to do so you
638. 25:01corrupt their skills so we've like you
639. 25:05saying as Nigerians have corrupted like
640. 25:08the president or something like that
641. 25:10happens you are just you just a corrupt
642. 25:12in waiting they make any of you MP right
643. 25:15now you'll be corrupt because what
644. 25:16they're asking you to work on is not
645. 25:19natural to you it's
646. 25:23foreign The Villages where you come from
647. 25:26do you use ballot to pick the chief they
648. 25:28know you from age
649. 25:3012 by who you are what you can do and
650. 25:33that's how we picked our leaders in
651. 25:34Africa for hundreds of years okay so are
652. 25:38you saying that if we implemented like a
653. 25:40system like so in Ghana in in my culture
654. 25:43the way like picking a chief works is
655. 25:46there are five royal families and then
656. 25:48it rotates each family every time are
657. 25:51you saying that if that happened with
658. 25:53like our government how can it happen
659. 25:55with your government you don't have
660. 25:56Ghana you don't have a country called
661. 25:59Ghana or
662. 26:00ghanians so whom are you
663. 26:02picking that that just makes no sense so
664. 26:06is the political system the issue like I
665. 26:09don't know I'm giving you things for you
666. 26:10to make your own conclusion there's no
667. 26:12Ghana there's no Ghana there's no
668. 26:14Nigeria who is a Nigerian you a Nigerian
669. 26:17only when you leave the country and you
670. 26:18are abroad you said I'm from Nigeria but
671. 26:21when you ask a Chinese they don't say
672. 26:22I'm from China they say I'm Chinese
673. 26:25Japanese would say I'm Japanese ask
674. 26:26African they always say I'm from it
675. 26:29means you're talking about a physical
676. 26:31location that was created by some
677. 26:32Foreigner and a bunch of you who have
678. 26:34nothing in common lives there in Nigeria
679. 26:37there's no nobody says I'm Nigerian you
680. 26:39say I'm
681. 26:41EO have the WASP un Unity that you are
682. 26:45that you referred to earlier what do
683. 26:46mean just because we don't have the WASP
684. 26:48like of course you don't have it yeah so
685. 26:51we're not like we're just not ghanian
686. 26:53we're just like you're aan you're a g
687. 26:55that's correct do you know and it's a
688. 26:57metaphor I love it I read it do you know
689. 27:00the Tower of Babel in the
690. 27:03Bible what was the main thing that
691. 27:06stopped the tower from being
692. 27:09built yeah I don't remember Jesus do you
693. 27:13know the tower I no like I know the
694. 27:16story but tell the story I just know
695. 27:19like a group of um people were building
696. 27:21the Tower of Babel and then they kept on
697. 27:24going as they're building it I believe
698. 27:27like they came across like I forgot they
699. 27:30came across like a fire or something
700. 27:33like that and like I think a fire like
701. 27:35stopped on one of them each and one of
702. 27:37them and they started speaking different
703. 27:38languages so a group of people with one
704. 27:41language one culture was building a
705. 27:43tower so sexul for some sick reason God
706. 27:47looked down and changed their languages
707. 27:49and they started speaking different
708. 27:50languages and the tower
709. 27:53stopped so that's what the that's what
710. 27:56they did to us or we did to ourselves I
711. 27:59don't know I'm just describing things
712. 28:00you have to make the conclusions what
713. 28:02does a tower
714. 28:04represent development that's correct
715. 28:07every time they say something is
716. 28:09developed you you know you you you do
717. 28:11this right so it's a metaphor a tower
718. 28:13represent development growth but it's
719. 28:16only possible I said it to you from the
720. 28:18beginning you got to have
721. 28:20language one you know how America
722. 28:22struggled to make sure Spanish is not
723. 28:24even a second language here but they
724. 28:26know what it can cause you don't have
725. 28:29that you don't have a national culture
726. 28:31you don't have a National History you
727. 28:33don't have a national
728. 28:35identity so where is patriotism and
729. 28:39nationalism but you're making it seem
730. 28:42well I'm understanding it in the way
731. 28:44that you're explaining it that it's not
732. 28:46exactly a bad thing but like it's it's
733. 28:49the division in the countries is what
734. 28:51the problem is why we can't develop but
735. 28:54that's what
736. 28:55makes I think that's what makes
737. 28:58um our African Pride like having having
738. 29:02so much diversity but like in that one
739. 29:05place even though that doesn't make us
740. 29:08develop to your well not to your
741. 29:10standard but like what have you benefit
742. 29:12from that diversity I mean I I can say I
743. 29:15come here and know who I am and but
744. 29:17that's because you are a
745. 29:19tree yeah not because you're a Ghan see
746. 29:22when I said your name I could say it
747. 29:23from anywhere and I said you are a tree
748. 29:25I wouldn't say you are
749. 29:26gone and that
750. 29:28tree forms
751. 29:31you okay so what about the individual
752. 29:33tribes in those little countries do you
753. 29:36think those are it's possible for those
754. 29:39countries to develop like those those
755. 29:41little tribes like no but because
756. 29:43because you've made them to let go what
757. 29:45is called in the development of a
758. 29:47country self-determination that is a
759. 29:49goal
760. 29:51self-determination you've let them go
761. 29:54they
762. 29:55can't they can't you're now saying you
763. 29:58are ghanian yet there is nothing you
764. 30:01can't raise a child in Ghana as a
765. 30:02ghanian you can raise a child as a tree
766. 30:05kid with the values you have your
767. 30:07culture your dance your
768. 30:09history your Traditions you don't wake
769. 30:12up in Ghana and say I'm ghanian you wake
770. 30:14up as a tree when you look around your
771. 30:17inspiration your determinations is
772. 30:18forced by your culture but now you don't
773. 30:23have it they don't teach it you don't
774. 30:24have it anymore Ghan you are not you're
775. 30:28not either I'm not kidding I want you to
776. 30:31look at what I'm saying
777. 30:33carefully I think if there is no country
778. 30:35on earth black country that was formed
779. 30:37by the people who live in it every one
780. 30:39of you are living in a guest house
781. 30:41you've seen people living in the guest
782. 30:42house find the way to develop the M
783. 30:45house better than the owner
784. 30:50never why do we have the UDA history cuz
785. 30:53they were one people one religion one
786. 30:56history
787. 30:58one ethnicity you couldn't break in
788. 31:01that's why we have the tribal marks to
789. 31:03differentiate them so they can see each
790. 31:05other and dream dreams why do we have
791. 31:07the Benin Kingdom why do we have the AG
792. 31:10Kingdom in Benin
793. 31:11Republic and the Ashanti Kingdom who
794. 31:14fought the British their shanties
795. 31:16because they were the most predominant
796. 31:17in the area at the time they were able
797. 31:19to have an Administration form a palace
798. 31:22with rulership land division everything
799. 31:25where is it they made you become so it's
800. 31:28not divide to conquer it's unite to
801. 31:33conquer so what the colonial took away
802. 31:36from you is not what you started
803. 31:37fighting for after 1960 what they took
804. 31:40away from you is that
805. 31:42identity for selfdetermination but all
806. 31:45the idiots who got independence Kum
807. 31:47included and all of them the first thing
808. 31:49they started working on is economic
809. 31:51development because they saw the people
810. 31:53who colonized them we want to be like
811. 31:54them and we've been lost since then
812. 31:59you said you went to Ghana and you see
813. 32:01change change happens everywhere change
814. 32:03is not a goal so let me ask you name one
815. 32:07thing in you two one thing in Nigeria or
816. 32:09in Ghana that was originally built by a
817. 32:12ghanian in the realm of infrastructure
818. 32:15that you guys are coming to work on what
819. 32:17is it can't say nothing you can't say
820. 32:20about you 13 million people every day
821. 32:23you are an knowing the rest of us saying
822. 32:24we are the giant of Africa yeah cool you
823. 32:27can't manage a gas station but yes what
824. 32:31is it you know and I'm not kidding that
825. 32:33a Nigerian originally innovated invented
826. 32:37build it and now people are trying to
827. 32:39build on it what is it original using
828. 32:42the four natural resources I just
829. 32:48described look I'm from Ben I'm black as
830. 32:51it comes you know Nancy and I used to go
831. 32:53to Ben when I had my heroes program
832. 32:55that's how proud I am from but that
833. 32:57doesn't mean I'm blind to what I'm
834. 32:58talking about Ben is only 3.5 million
835. 33:01people with 49 different
836. 33:04languages they can't manage a public
837. 33:08toilet I don't want to laugh but I would
838. 33:12say like I agree with what you're saying
839. 33:14like I do feel like cuz like it's some
840. 33:17like people arew I feel like people are
841. 33:19aware of like the resources that like we
842. 33:21have already that's in Nigeria already
843. 33:23that's like building on it and then some
844. 33:25people are like more focused on like
845. 33:28than trying to build up from like
846. 33:29Economic Development things like that
847. 33:31from what but what original economic
848. 33:34system do you have in I'm talking
849. 33:35about like the past like people are like
850. 33:37like colonization back in the past
851. 33:38people are trying to like like you said
852. 33:40like trying people are trying to use
853. 33:41that and like build that up but I do
854. 33:43feel like there are certain individuals
855. 33:45or like people in Nigeria that are aware
856. 33:47of like the resources that like are
857. 33:49around us that we already have like for
858. 33:51example like people are like building
859. 33:53like oil company or like water company
860. 33:55and things like that and I feel like not
861. 33:57everybody is aware that we do have
862. 33:59natural resources ourself that we can
863. 34:02yeah I feel like not everybody knows you
864. 34:04don't see the water no I'm saying that
865. 34:07people are like don't have that like
866. 34:10knowledge or why would they have
867. 34:11knowledge about something they don't
868. 34:12have capability to use why should I care
869. 34:15myself about uranium when I don't know
870. 34:16what to do with
871. 34:18it but I feel like people are like
872. 34:20they're not like they're lack not I
873. 34:22going to say this but like people
874. 34:24they're not like they see it of course
875. 34:26yeah they see it by like they're not
876. 34:28like able to say okay like let me learn
877. 34:30what I can build from this Lear from
878. 34:32where like probably from I'll say from
879. 34:35history like from our history how do you
880. 34:37learn how to build infrastructure from
881. 34:38history like people can like building
882. 34:40infrastructure is a capability I'm
883. 34:42talking about
884. 34:43capability yeah let me use the word so
885. 34:45you can argue with you sit around it but
886. 34:48you can't build it why you don't have
887. 34:50the
888. 34:52capability you don't that's why you
889. 34:55haven't done it in any black country
890. 34:57even though other resources that
891. 34:59everyone else have used listen in 19
892. 35:021945 there about Japan was leveled with
893. 35:05two atomic bombs no other human country
894. 35:08has ever suffered that
895. 35:10completely in
896. 35:121945 Japan hasn't invented one
897. 35:15thing they have airplanes they used to
898. 35:17you know but do you know what 1945 your
899. 35:20dad may be still alive was born in the
900. 35:23yes do you see the country right now
901. 35:26yeah they are surrounding by salty ocean
902. 35:30they don't have
903. 35:31land 73% of Japan 126 million it's all
904. 35:36taken by
905. 35:38mountains it's
906. 35:41capability capability are you but like
907. 35:45are you saying that we're lacking that
908. 35:47capability because we don't have that
909. 35:49selfdetermination no not at all it's
910. 35:51natural it's natural it's a natural so
911. 35:54yeah like we're naturally lacking that
912. 35:56capability yes
913. 35:58so you don't think we can build or like
914. 36:00have like eventually like have that
915. 36:02capability to like say okay let me start
916. 36:05knowing what capabilities don't come
917. 36:06eventually they are either in you from
918. 36:08the beginning or they now so can a fish
919. 36:11climb no so if that is what is required
920. 36:14of the
921. 36:15fish doesn't have that capability
922. 36:17there's Evolution no I don't care I
923. 36:20won't be around for evolution I'm
924. 36:21talking about
925. 36:23now if that is what is required of the
926. 36:26fish the fruit are on the tree right
927. 36:29golden fruit if the fish can reach it
928. 36:31the fruit will become very rich plug it
929. 36:33and sell it can the fish plug
930. 36:35it so the the the golden fruit will be
931. 36:39there and the fish will be here and be
932. 36:42and be hungry so your resources are
933. 36:45there but you're hungry because you
934. 36:48don't have the capability and you're
935. 36:50refusing to accept it because he's too
936. 36:52emotional for you I agree with
937. 36:55that I am talking about 63 countries on
938. 36:59Earth 14 makes
939. 37:02Echo and just by accident not even
940. 37:06one you have to see it on
941. 37:09Instagram and you still think that I'm
942. 37:12saying something
943. 37:14stupid but why do you think you should
944. 37:16have that
945. 37:18capability let me ask you you've
946. 37:21traveled quite white have you seen any
947. 37:22car made in Saudi
948. 37:25Arabia no have you seen any electron ICS
949. 37:27made in Saudi Arabia okay have you seen
950. 37:30any internet service or product made in
951. 37:32Saudi Arabia I haven't seen that okay
952. 37:35you call the Saudi Arabia thir country
953. 37:38no but they are full of infrastructure
954. 37:42it working how do they do
955. 37:46it okay but like like so are you I can't
956. 37:51answer that question but I'm posing
957. 37:52another question are you saying that
958. 37:54they have that capability they don't
959. 37:55have it so
960. 37:58okay the difference so what would the
961. 38:00what would the fish do to get the fruits
962. 38:03the fish would employ the skills of the
963. 38:05monkey and say bring it down you get 10%
964. 38:07I get
965. 38:0990% the problem is you're trying to do
966. 38:12it yourself because you look outside and
967. 38:14you think others can do it we can do it
968. 38:15it's not true I lived in Kenya for 5
969. 38:18years straight five years I live on a
970. 38:21compound of about 2.5 acres of land
971. 38:23trees
972. 38:25everywhere for 5 years
973. 38:28the trees the leaves never fell winter
974. 38:31never came spring never came my wardrobe
975. 38:35was the same wardrobe okay cotton shed
976. 38:38by 11:00 a.m. I'm on the
977. 38:42compound Africa is the only tropical
978. 38:45continent on
979. 38:46Earth have you seen any country that is
980. 38:49industrialized and is
981. 38:53tropical no have you seen any country
982. 38:56that have for seasons and it looks like
983. 38:58Sudan or
984. 39:00Salo no okay you see where I'm
985. 39:04going the only thing we didn't have and
986. 39:07don't have is natural threat Africa
987. 39:09never suffered it it's the most
988. 39:11comfortable environment ever you don't
989. 39:14have to draw the water and store it cuz
990. 39:17it never
991. 39:22freezes I see but if you are born in a
992. 39:26place like here
993. 39:27every 3 months your brain is worried so
994. 39:31not because they smart it's just they
995. 39:34have typhoon hurricanes tsunamis Titanic
996. 39:37play shakes earthquakes winter up to
997. 39:40here killing people Springs hardcore
998. 39:43four what do you
999. 39:50have nothing ever
1000. 39:53threatens and when that happens over
1001. 39:56millions of years the brain doesn't even
1002. 39:59predict no Africa is predictable so we
1003. 40:02just stay comfortable that's
1004. 40:06cor so do you think that's an issue like
1005. 40:10with us like I I'm not just for Nigeria
1006. 40:12but like some African countries where
1007. 40:14like comfortable in our own like space
1008. 40:17thinking yes people are people want what
1009. 40:19we got but just saying I'm not develop
1010. 40:21the only time that you became this and
1011. 40:23people can point fingers is because like
1012. 40:25you two said the only time I I knew my
1013. 40:27country was not developed is when I came
1014. 40:29to the Western world but you're not a
1015. 40:30western world no wonder our people
1016. 40:32bleach because they think if they become
1017. 40:34white enough they can change their
1018. 40:38environment and with
1019. 40:42that it was a great session thank you so
1020. 40:45much all right come on now let's give
1021. 40:47them some
1022. 40:48uh Applause
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