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0:02[Music]
0:11well Chris thank you so much for coming
0:14uh to host my show uh I've read your
0:16notes and uh it's exciting so please uh
0:19let's get it going for the show yeah
0:22thanks all right so uh I heard you said
0:24you have some issue with my stand that
0:26there is no such thing as white
0:28privilege uh can you let me know which
0:30part of it do you disagree or have
0:33issues with sure um if you wouldn't mind
0:35just discussing your just laying it out
0:38what you believe and then I can go Point
0:40by point I see so it's not a question of
0:42belief because uh this this terminology
0:45or whatever it phrase just started
0:46popping up not too long ago and uh is
0:49Catching Fire and on and on and um I
0:52have thought about few things that I
0:54think we should discuss to find out if
0:56this is real or not real and one of them
0:58is what is that privilege that the white
1:02people have over others what is it who
1:05gave it to them where did they buy
1:07it uh privilege is something either by
1:10birth by social status or maybe by
1:14inheritance so what is it they have that
1:16we don't have what is it that they have
1:18the privilege that we don't have those
1:20are the questions I think will make this
1:22conversation uh interesting okay that's
1:25fair um so I guess uh my definition of
1:28white privilege would be benefits that
1:30you'd get from your uh status as a white
1:33person that would be across a variety of
1:36different um sort of domains economic
1:38you know educational um housing uh
1:41that's basically there are more as well
1:43but that's essentially the gist of my my
1:45definition um and who is it recognized
1:47by uh well I guess it would be
1:49recognized by everyone uh it's not
1:51something that's simply uh asserted it's
1:53not folks something where folks just
1:54asserted that it exists and it happened
1:57um it's something that it's a term that
1:59was was founded in order to describe a
2:01specific phenomenon and that's society
2:04as a whole uh has a tendency to ACR
2:06certain benefits to white folks solely
2:08due to uh the fact that they're white
2:10and it's easy to say well where does
2:12this come from I think it comes from a
2:13white supremacist culture and how that
2:15culture sort of pervades every aspect of
2:18life um and political systems and
2:20economic functioning and things along
2:21those lines um and it's something that
2:24no one can really escape from like so so
2:26so you're saying that anyone who is born
2:29and born White would automatically have
2:31privileges so the question is is it
2:34man-made or is it natural oh it's it's
2:37absolutely manmade so how is it if it's
2:39man-made then why do we have to say that
2:41they have these privileges based on skin
2:44color if it's man-made then why can't
2:46blacks do the same thing why can't
2:48Asians do the same thing and have the
2:50same privileges if it's man-made then
2:51what prevents us from not having the
2:53privilege to do it I think that's a
2:55great um question on one end Society
2:58constrains us and societal beliefs
3:00aren't just out of thin air or solely
3:03aren't poofed out of thin air or solely
3:05you know inside one particular person um
3:07it's the culture that you're exposed to
3:09it's the institutions that you're
3:10exposed to um it's the ideologies that
3:12you're exposed to it's a media culture
3:15where it's primarily run by white folks
3:17uh it's primarily funded by white folks
3:18and employed by white folks well this is
3:20a white country right it is a white
3:21country we must agree it is a white
3:23country what I mean is that white people
3:24from other places came here founded a
3:26place made it into a republic and then
3:28it attracted people from other places
3:30but I'm thinking that people are saying
3:32we are not on the same level with white
3:33people therefore they have a privilege
3:35and what I am struggling with is this
3:37you said it's man-made if it is man-made
3:39why can't the other colors do it too
3:42that is one how is it man-made now let
3:45me ask you do blacks give white people
3:47privileges do blacks give white people
3:49well no it's not white people giving
3:51white people privileges or black people
3:52giving black people privileges it's the
3:54entire societal structure as a whole
3:55that get the Privileges from that black
3:57people can't get the privilege what is
4:00that what I was explaining the
4:01institutions the ideologies what
4:04institutions today in America the last
4:0650 years says that a black man cannot do
4:09this or do that or do this what is it
4:11now if white people have
4:13these Untouchable privileges how come in
4:17other areas that then they can go
4:19everywhere which means for example the
4:20NBA that privilege should make them
4:22become the ones who predominate the NBA
4:24the NFL 100 met ATL a whole lot of
4:28things why why why do we have black
4:31people predominate these parts of
4:33society and do well in it so which areas
4:36which areas for example do the black
4:38people don't have the privilege just
4:40give me a list of it okay sure so I feel
4:42like you're moving across different
4:44questions here um so I want to sort of
4:46redirect it to the original question
4:48where you talk about it being man-made
4:50then why can't no you said he's
4:52man-made I ask is it man-made or is it
4:55natural that once you have a skin color
4:57white skin color you automatically have
4:59privileges is that a case two is this
5:03white privilege that you are white
5:04therefore you have privilege is it
5:06peculiar to America or is just anywhere
5:09any white country I think it's the
5:12context is dependent so it's what's
5:13white privileg in one specific area is
5:16governed by the political culture of
5:18that area so show me a place where white
5:20people live and they don't have the
5:21Privileges you claim white Americans
5:23have where do you know on Earth where
5:26black brown green people who live there
5:27have the same privileges with white
5:29people is there any place like that
5:32that's not my area of expertise my area
5:34of experti is America so I wouldn't say
5:36hey this country they don't have white
5:37privilege of this country they won't why
5:39lived in many white countries I've lived
5:42in Asia I've traveled quite white and I
5:44have never seen a place where we say oh
5:46the people who live there they are all
5:47equal they are all on the same plane
5:49never at
5:50all but when I hear the word White
5:53Privilege what it sounds to me is that
5:55if you are born white you automatically
5:57will have privileges black people don't
5:59get give white people privileges you
6:00said where do they get it from and why
6:02can't we get it you said it's because of
6:04the institutions what institutions in
6:06America today prevent a black man from
6:08going to school joining the Army joining
6:10the police being a volunteer firefighter
6:13uh Run 100 meters why it never prevents
6:15them from playing on the NBA in the NFL
6:17Running doing anything okay how many
6:20blacks should be at the top 1% for you
6:22to say that yes we have the previlege is
6:24Oprah Winfrey is she privileged or not
6:27okay so we're moving across a variet
6:29different questions and not getting back
6:31to the original what do you mean by if
6:33you are born quiet so you're saying
6:35let's do it this way if you say by being
6:38born white you have privilege what are
6:39we saying to black
6:41kids you're essentially telling them
6:43that there are things that are outside
6:44of their control like what that couldn't
6:46prevent okay for example let's CU you
6:50keep on moving to very different
6:51questions that are very let me stay on
6:53White Privilege white people born white
6:55have privileges in America you said we
6:57should make it specifically America all
6:59right what do we tell black kids since
7:01you're not born white what okay so I'm
7:03going to start off with the man-made
7:05aspect okay everything we do essentially
7:09that's related to the social realm is is
7:11man-made like and when you think of it
7:13this way are you you're you're taller
7:15than me right yeah um there are folks
7:17that are taller than other folks yes has
7:20our society
7:21been organized around that I'm not sure
7:26if I don't play in the NBA I'm tall but
7:28it's useless I can be play play
7:29basketball I don't make money out of it
7:32and by that I should be a little bit
7:33more specific are there cultures of
7:35mainly or almost
7:37exclusively um tall people is there a
7:40was there gym Crow where tall folks and
7:42short people couldn't live together had
7:45to be subservient to other folks can
7:47only um sort of uh be confined to
7:50certain uh positions in specific
7:52workplaces and what no one area I've
7:55seen Short guys don't score girls as
7:56much as tall guys okay fair enough um
8:00well the point I'm making is that but
8:02you're talking about something that is
8:03natural nobody says that if you're tall
8:05you are therefore guilty white skin is
8:07not made by white people they were born
8:09white they live in their own country so
8:12if you remove if you remove all the
8:13white people from America move them to
8:16Japan and bring all Japanese to America
8:18do you think Japanese and blacks will be
8:19on the equal
8:21level would there be yellow I'm going to
8:23get back to my original point so I can
8:24answer one of your questions before you
8:26C me with another do is that I'm not
8:28able to tell you this plus this I can
8:32only question the conclusions we have
8:34arrived at that's what we do on rethink
8:36project rethink we question the
8:37conclusions and I'm saying if you say
8:40that white people have privilege then we
8:41have to question that conclusion that's
8:44what I'm trying to do if you move white
8:45people out of America and you bring
8:47Japanese to take their place are you
8:49saying that it will become yellow
8:51privilege or then black and Japanese
8:53will be
8:54unequal second what second tell me what
8:58black people don't have in America
9:00because they live with white people that
9:02they have in Africa the motherland from
9:04where they come from tell me how the
9:06conditions there are better because they
9:08have Privileges and it's different from
9:10here then I can say it's true that white
9:12people have privilege over black people
9:14if where they come from is better than
9:16where they live now show me one place in
9:18Africa where the blacks who live
9:21here because of the white people they
9:23don't have the privilege where the
9:25continent they have it where I'll say
9:27two things it's not related to my
9:29argument I don't know if it's related to
9:30your argument but it's not related to my
9:32argument because I'm talking about
9:33institutions structures cult explain it
9:37to me you know
9:39since the Advent of the you know
9:42transatlantic slave trade since
9:44colonization I think we can pretend and
9:47even things that that we've talked about
9:48before like parthe we can pretend that
9:50just because there's a black majority in
9:53a in a country that it's run by black
9:57folks but as we know with Western s
10:00liberal democracy
10:01is
10:03funding um you know control the
10:06political parties um resources things
10:10along those lines all affect how much
10:13input folks have in those who are not
10:15white it affects it's negative No
10:17affects everyone it it affects
10:18everyone's access to political
10:19institutions and their abilities to REM
10:22political institutions yeah all that St
10:24you know then where is the privilege we
10:25talking about well I'm I'm referring to
10:28how I'm referring to
10:30so basically disparities what
10:33institutions have prevented a black man
10:35from doing something we not talking
10:36about a time when they were brought at
10:37slaves of course everywhere slavery
10:40happened in Africa among tribes between
10:42tribes in Europe northern Europe uh you
10:46name it
10:47Asia if you are the slave you're not
10:49going to have the same equality with a
10:51slave owner no just like a guest in a
10:53house doesn't have the same right with
10:55the owner of the place so I'm asking you
10:57show me one thing with without the white
11:00privilege that blacks could have become
11:02and what is the frame of reference to
11:04say that what is it what institutions
11:06are preventing the black people from
11:08attaining what you think has been taken
11:10away from them because somebody was born
11:11white is what I want to understand White
11:14Privilege the prefix to the word
11:16privilege is white which means because
11:17you were born
11:19white who is giving the person you're
11:21saying white people cannot all the
11:23inventions Innovations the structures
11:26they built countries they founded even
11:27the ability to colonize other places
11:29they did it just because they white they
11:31have no capability that's not what I'm
11:33saying what is giving them the privilege
11:35then what's giving them the the
11:37privilege are the way those institutions
11:39operate the way without those
11:40institutions you are saying why people
11:41would have
11:42failed yes in order and show me one
11:44country where they
11:46failed what the argument that I'm making
11:48by that which I don't think you're
11:49grasping
11:51is is interesting to me without those
11:54institutions without the Privileges why
11:57people would have failed without social
11:58institutions yes yes social phenomenon
12:00would not have widespread social
12:02phenomenon would not happen which is why
12:04that's not a very okay so show me an
12:06example where it never happened until
12:08they started having privileges like when
12:10I don't think you're understanding the
12:11fact that I'm just broadly explaining
12:13that social phenomenon eminates from
12:16pre-existing cultures from social
12:18institutions from uh ideologies so
12:22everything yes so me saying oh well you
12:24know if there wasn't for these specific
12:25ideologies it wouldn't happen yeah
12:27that's anything anything let go back
12:30let's go back to the question White
12:32Privilege I said there's no such thing
12:34it was made up by of course rightfully
12:37so when blacks look at where they are
12:40compared to white people they think that
12:42there's something that has been taken
12:43away from them nobody talks about
12:44capabilities okay the the white
12:46inventions Innovations building of
12:48countries republics establishment
12:50businesses okay even the countries they
12:52colonized in Africa all of us and you
12:55talk to any African who is 65 years and
12:56old I will tell you our countries were
12:58more
12:59structured and when they left things
13:01started falling apart South Africa is an
13:03example of it I just came back last year
13:06so I'm asking you where in the world
13:09white people have failed because they
13:11don't have privileges see I was trying
13:13to expound on that point and then you
13:14moved it off another question so the
13:16point I'm making is that and this is
13:18what I was talking about with respect to
13:19disparities and resources and control of
13:22the political system and things along
13:23those lines so you're saying oh things
13:25are worse now that white folks left
13:26ignoring the fact that due to the fact
13:29that in Western liberal democracies if
13:31you have funding if you have control
13:33over political parties if you
13:34haveour you're saying so why do we call
13:36it white
13:37privilege because it's white folks
13:39benefit from this white supremacist
13:41system these white supremacist systems
13:43institutions so we call it white
13:44privilege because they benefit they get
13:46uneed benefits in their own country
13:48what's up in their own country in their
13:50own country other countries culture the
13:52laws they made by themselves when they
13:54build this place when they arrive here
13:56there was no white privilege or
13:57non-white privilege they arrived I mean
13:59there was Anglo Saxon privilege
14:01eventually privilege why do you keep
14:03saying it's privilege somebody they
14:05institution specifically around how is
14:07my relationship my religious skin color
14:10ethnic relationship for immigration so
14:14there were a variety of immigration laws
14:16around the 19 uh 10s and 1920s that uh
14:19revolved around racial quota systems at
14:22that point the racial system was a lot
14:24was very different than what we think of
14:25now because again race is fiction it's
14:28purely something that's social
14:29phenomenon at that point it was useful
14:31to think of race as not only between
14:33whites
14:34blacks at the time like Mongolians or
14:37sometimes they would call them yellow um
14:38you know Native Americans it also
14:41brought into each other like it also
14:42brought into this framework this Nordic
14:45tonic um and then like Southern European
14:48racial classifications and then also
14:50like nationalities were thought of as
14:51racist as well um so at that particular
14:54point in time there was a lot of eugenic
14:56thinking that essentially said if we
14:57want the American race again absurd
14:59since America's what couple centuries
15:02long but their conf but basically their
15:04Viewpoint their conception of race it's
15:06very different than today um to where
15:08they thought that if you get you know
15:09the Anglo-Saxon race uh the most
15:11predominant population po prominant uh
15:14part of the Immigrant population Anglo
15:16saction Heritage or Nordic Heritage then
15:18it's going to lead to much better
15:19outcomes who is who is making this these
15:22are so some were eugenicists that were
15:24in private um domains like researchers
15:27or things sometimes Oran it was also
15:30cult belief political institions uh a
15:34grab of power you said because white
15:36people have all these it gives them
15:38privilege isn't it that's that's your
15:39explanation they were in control of
15:41their political power yeah of course
15:43they should be because it's their
15:44country you can't go to Japan and say
15:46Japanese are in control the political
15:47power if you're a black person or if
15:48you're white that I'm drawing our
15:50attention to is the laws that were
15:53specifically the benefit group people
15:55that were looking like them or people
15:56that they believed had the same racial
15:58categorization as them which at that
15:59point was Anglo Saxon uh and then
16:01eventually we moved past I think it was
16:03around I understand but if Anglo Saxons
16:05they moved here and they founded this
16:06country meaning found it simply means
16:08that they name it they draw boundaries
16:10and they said this is where we are going
16:11to leave this is the primary owner of
16:14this place the host whether he killed
16:15people unfortunately and he made it his
16:18home anyone who comes you have to live
16:20on the laws he's made same thing is
16:21happening in China same thing is
16:22happening in Japan in South Korea
16:24everywhere Russia that's as simple as
16:26that why would you the visitor whether
16:27you were brought by force or you came
16:29voluntarily claim after some time that
16:31why am I not having the same privilege
16:33with you who told you you could you're
16:35different you are not talking about
16:37white capability the things they have
16:38done before they even brought people
16:40here you're not talking about that
16:42you're simply saying that blacks have
16:44the capability to be at the same place
16:47white are if not because of the laws
16:50they have made the institutions they
16:51have put in place the political power
16:53they have I say show me one thing and
16:55somewhere where white have failed
16:57because they didn't put those itions
16:59into place where now answer my question
17:02what is the privilege of all the black
17:04countries in Africa in the Caribbean
17:05Haiti included Jamaica there are no
17:08white people there holding them down
17:09what is the privilege I feel like you've
17:11missed couple of my correct me put me on
17:13the road okay so the point we I'm making
17:15with the disparities with respect to
17:17income and the control over the
17:18political economic system it's not based
17:20on capability it's not based on ability
17:22it's based on historical record no that
17:24is not true that was the case then
17:26Africa has so when the when apthe ends
17:28right and there's these all these 39
17:31million blacks live in South Africa
17:33about 2.8 million white people okay and
17:36almost South Africa look like an
17:38European country there was never power
17:39shortage now they have what is called
17:41load shedding which means power comes
17:43home for 4 hours and it goes off there's
17:45no water system the roads are breaking
17:46railway lines all condemned it used to
17:49have one of the most impressive rail
17:51network in South
17:53Africa 32 years ago January 5th
17:561990 power 100% in the hands of
18:00blacks so you see what is going on so
18:02you're saying that all of industry was
18:04nationalized there's no more in in South
18:06Africa you're claiming that there's no
18:08more Private Industry there Private
18:10Industry is there white run Private
18:11Industry in South Africa yes I'm saying
18:13I am saying 32 years ago they gave it to
18:15blacks and today we have load shedding
18:17electricity can work properly water is
18:18not flowing the railway lines trains are
18:21dead on the tracks I want to tell you
18:23this you got to understand whether there
18:25are white people there or not as you've
18:26seen here look at that's your
18:29distinction you're the one who's solely
18:30saying that white people black people
18:32now that white I'm arguing against that
18:34so you're this doesn't Advance
18:35conversation because you're what I've
18:36seen is this in my travels when I meet
18:39people outside their original domain or
18:41habitat for example I meet Japanese in
18:43America or in Canada or I meet Africans
18:46in America England or Canada what I do
18:48first by knowing if there's something
18:50wrong with you I look at the place from
18:51where you are coming if the place look
18:54better than where you are I know
18:55something happened here what is it that
18:58has happened to black people here that
19:00they are worse off than the continent
19:03what is it see this is the issue here
19:06like there's no fundamental agre point
19:08of saying white has privilege if you
19:10can't answer that question if you cannot
19:11explain that I've been trying to the
19:13point explain to me what is it about
19:16black people here that can tell you that
19:18something went wrong if you compare them
19:20to the continent what is it I would not
19:23make that comparison
19:24AB the person you are comparing them to
19:27has privilege
19:29because of the institutions you made
19:31that up to explain why you think you are
19:33this is your conception of white white
19:36privilege and how folks came to reason
19:38white privilege and you're continuing to
19:39base your respons to me off of your own
19:42conception despite the fact that I'm
19:43trying to cons explain my own conception
19:45of white privilege which is that white
19:47people have the power number two they
19:49put institutions and laws into place to
19:51make black people not be at the same top
19:54like them or Asian people I have not
19:56seen the Japanese who live in America
19:58quite a huge number of them complaining
20:00that they're not doing well because of
20:01white privilege I've not seen the
20:03Koreans the Chinese the the the Arabs or
20:05anybody complain comparing two very
20:07different populations one was force
20:09migration where black folks were stolen
20:11from where Africans were stolen from
20:12yeah Indians and Chinese came here as
20:14indentured Slaves by the British but
20:15they is absolutely not true until 1965
20:18the last the vast majority of there were
20:19very few Asian folks and much less
20:22Indian folks that were actually that
20:24were migrating to uh America and what I
20:27was trying to explain where there was
20:29these racial quota systems that totally
20:31excluded Japanese you know any Asian
20:33folks from coming in there excluded
20:35mainly Africans from coming here unless
20:37it was under a specific um nationality
20:40so if it was like you were subject of
20:41Britain you can come through that way
20:42but that wasn't the intention um and uh
20:46and until 1965 that was when they were
20:48allowed to come in but it's very let me
20:49just finish this okay you can pretend
20:52that a population questions I'm asking
20:56questions for you to help me come to
20:58your s that indeed there is White
21:00Privilege I am asking the word white
21:02coming as a prefix to privilege mean
21:04that if you have a white skin you have
21:06privilege in America I ask you if it's
21:07man-made or natural you told me it's
21:10manmade then I ask you then why can't
21:11other people make it too America blacks
21:13are free in America today they had a
21:16black president a black first lady oh
21:18they predominate many sections of
21:20America which area is it that black
21:23people are not or don't have the access
21:25that makes you keep thinking that being
21:27born white is a PR
21:29it's the fact that you are born white is
21:31a privilege or the white skin makes you
21:33do things others can do or no you just
21:36get things just because you're white
21:38even though you don't have the
21:39capability then name one failed white
21:43country so I can understand that these
21:46aren't these aren't related to your
21:48original question andal you're not
21:50letting meish as quite privileged that
21:52is a statement I made you ask me about
21:54one specific phenomenon about white
21:55privilege about oh where where do you
21:58know white folks uh gain privilege in
22:01one specific domain and while I'm trying
22:03to explain the immigration you're
22:04cutting me off and why would it be
22:05immigration they migrated to this
22:07country and established this Republic
22:09and we come on to it I came here as an
22:11immigrant because it attracted me and I
22:14came why should I be why should I be
22:16looking at myself to say I should be on
22:18the same LEL that's another issue I have
22:20you clearly like right now you're
22:22describing white privilege and you're
22:23saying that there's no issue with it
22:24you're saying yeah so white people can
22:26migrate here um at a much higher rate
22:28despite having the same complication or
22:30the same qualications don't believe that
22:32three or four different races were were
22:34were in a race to migrate to America
22:36they came here they found the land they
22:38came they and and they established a
22:40republic they didn't say join us it's a
22:43race we are going to we see who gets
22:45their first Haitians claim that they've
22:47been the first black country 200 years
22:49ago to gain
22:50independence they leave the govern
22:52themselves where is the privilege in
22:54Haiti is there any black privilege if I
22:57live in Africa privilege answer this
23:00question and I will move to your side
23:02one if it's
23:04manmade who made it who gives the white
23:07the privilege you said because a large
23:10majority of white hold power they build
23:12institutions okay but why does it keep
23:15attracting people to come here and no
23:18other group of people are ever
23:20complaining about the white privilege
23:21except black because they think that
23:23they are at the bottom of the two Tempo
23:25which is not true things are done by
23:28people by Race by People based on your
23:31ability that's Heaven is not just for
23:34anyone if they put you in heaven you
23:35don't have the ability to remain there
23:37you will
23:39quit Okay so privilege meaning blacks by
23:43you're saying in America black and white
23:46are supposed to have equal access to
23:48everything is that what you're saying I
23:50say in a in a world where racism doesn't
23:52exist racism doesn't
23:54exist people will have equal access to
23:56everything so why equal outcomes unless
23:59you believe that one race is more is
24:01superior and other races are inferior
24:04what sense does racial stratification in
24:06anything mean I never believe that one
24:07race is superior to the other I know
24:09races are different no I'm asking you a
24:11question now yes if you don't believe
24:13racial stratification uh is a sign of
24:16racism then what would this racial
24:18stratification be based on
24:20stratification what are you talking
24:21about racial stratification
24:23stratification means different outcomes
24:25among different races well you said
24:26different races would you expect the
24:27same outcome from The Lion and the
24:30antop they both work on four legs they
24:32have Fair on their body they have a tail
24:34do you
24:35expect Antelope qu you believe in
24:38essential qualities and characteristics
24:39that certain races have characteristics
24:42abilities based on where you come from
24:44simple the people of the northern Rift
24:47of Kenya will beat everybody and anybody
24:49in Marathon you can't deny that since
24:511936 Carl Owens beat everybody
24:54scientifically trained Germans were
24:55beaten by Carl Owens in 100 meters and
24:58then from there it was black guy black
25:00guy black guy today you can't boast that
25:02Ali was not the best boxer he told you
25:04he was Superior you want to try get into
25:06the ring with them yes I believe that
25:08racis and people we have different
25:10structures because you can expect the
25:11same outcome from The Lion and the
25:13antelope they they not different from
25:15human beings they're they're different
25:17species no they're not different species
25:19they are different species but um they
25:22both are mammals you and I are humans
25:24but we have different abilities
25:26intellectually physically yes
25:29a dog and a human is a mammal but we're
25:31not the same species we're not the same
25:32speci I'm saying you don't expect the
25:34same outcome from The Lion and the
25:36antelope but they are both mamals and
25:38they are animals they live in the animal
25:40kingdom we are humans but we're
25:41different in capabilities why is it the
25:43north reft of Kenya is good in marathan
25:46why are Chinese good in aerobics why are
25:49Russians very good in ballet and
25:51classical dance why are blacks very good
25:53in very muscular Sports we're different
25:56but if you expose us
25:58to one thing and you're using that to
26:00determine what is equality then some
26:03people would fail and that is what
26:04you're doing it's like asking the monkey
26:06and the fish should determine that
26:07climbing is the only way to determine
26:09superiority well the monkey will be
26:10superior for the rest of its
26:13life okay so there is no white privilege
26:16white people live in their country a
26:18place they have been able to build it
26:21there is no question about that based on
26:23their ability to differently we we have
26:27about a Century's worth of studies that
26:29try to see if there's any genetic basis
26:31of racism uh or not R sorry not racism
26:34genetic basis of races where if you can
26:36there's more genetic diversity within
26:38races than there is across races which
26:39kind of makes sense since black folks
26:41have been around for quite a bit longer
26:42than other folks so I I I don't have to
26:45do I don't have to do no you're going to
26:47catch me there if you begin to bring is
26:49it a scientific fact no no it does if
26:51you're claiming that there are essential
26:52differences and you're basing it off the
26:54fact that we no we're different species
26:56are making scientificity of the things
26:58things we do and we have concluded in
27:00this world based on observations I'm a
27:01very sophisticated thinker and I have
27:03traveled very widely and I've have seen
27:04things enough to convince me that yes I
27:07don't need a scientific proof to say the
27:09reason every white country looks very
27:11even in one country go to the Suburbia
27:14it's cleaner quieter organized go to the
27:17urban it's not we trash our streets
27:19because we don't have privilege we don't
27:21know how to clean our own slips we throw
27:23Grandma's microwave outside we packk our
27:25cars and repair it there and spill the
27:27floor with oil we don't pay attention to
27:28our children we would rather go and use
27:30the money to buy boom boxes in our car
27:32yes every race every group of people
27:35have setting abilities they no there's
27:38none that's inferior and none as
27:39Superior even though in your definition
27:41these white folks they Lear they take
27:42care of their neighborhoods yes but
27:45they're playing their G Blas culture and
27:47all based on culture oh it's okay that
27:49is why the 54 countries in one continent
27:52you want to tell me so it's an essential
27:53first it's essential and now it's
27:54culture you want to tell me that it is
27:57possible phenomena would hit 54
28:00countries equally in one
28:02continent even the most crudest
28:05probability something will
28:07change one continent of One race Africa
28:11the largest because of number of
28:12countries 54 all of them uniformly
28:15constantly suffer the same thing you go
28:18to the Caribbean the Black countes there
28:21you go to UK the black community is
28:23there you see everything it's almost
28:25like there's this overarching white
28:27supremacist
28:29stolen resources for centuries oh and we
28:32don't know how to steal we allow them to
28:35come to our continents and steal we
28:36don't know how to steal well that also
28:38I'm saying there is no such thing that
28:40one fation doesn't exist a party doesn't
28:42exist I don't know why we're saying
28:45Australia was colonized New Zealand was
28:46colonized United States how the indigen
28:48how is the indigenous population doing
28:50in Australia as poorly as population
28:53here we go I am saying to you the
28:54northern part of UK slaves and colonized
28:58a today because the one thing happening
29:01in America that nobody is talking about
29:03the United States of America Remain the
29:05only place right now on Earth where
29:08former slaves or you know descendants of
29:10slaves are the only place where the skin
29:12color is different in the northern part
29:15of Europe slavery large number than the
29:18ones that are in America but when
29:19slavery was over because they had the
29:21same skin color they Blended you can't
29:23tell who was a slave and who was not a
29:25slave gone Asia the same thing
29:30in Asia there was slavery but when it
29:32was over you can't tell who was once a
29:34slave and who was not so the anger is
29:36gone in the United States unfortunately
29:38for this country the blacks remained
29:40here and every day they wake up to see
29:42their skin color and that it reminds
29:43them how they got here hold on and that
29:45is where the anger is and for you to
29:47explain like a boogeyman everybody
29:49create to explain why they are the third
29:51round or they are the bottom of the to
29:52Tempo you have to create white supremacy
29:55white privilege to explain that because
29:57they are white that's why they are doing
29:58well you are affirming what you like
30:01about them only you want you don't want
30:03I don't mean you but you they don't want
30:04to admit it and then they say oh the
30:06reason they're doing well is because
30:08they're white that's where it came from
30:10that is your imagination of what the
30:12conception of white privilege is no
30:14because you haven't succeeded in
30:16explaining to me so the invisible nap
30:17napsack have you ever read the invisible
30:18napsack no please okay well that was the
30:20where the that's who wrot where the term
30:23Peggy um Macintosh I believe yeah um but
30:28that's where the term comes from okay
30:30and she explains feggy was who she was a
30:33uh she was an academic writer I believe
30:35no but of what she was white she was
30:37white um so it's one of those things
30:38where it's just like if you don't read
30:40the original piece and go through
30:41history original why that's where the
30:44term that's where the term was yeah
30:45that's her conclusions on her opinion
30:47but I'm saying that why people are doing
30:48so well it must be an insult for me to
30:50sit in front of her and she tells me I
30:52have a privilege and what am
30:54I that's purely your reaction to it
30:59have continued not you but the people
31:02who believe that oh white people are
31:03doing well they organize themselves
31:05their towns are good because they are
31:07white what you're telling black kids
31:08you're doomed forever you're not you're
31:11telling that there are on there are
31:12structures that are preventing them from
31:13succeeding they're not going to become
31:14white like Michael Jackson they will
31:16never try to become white like Michael
31:17Jackson no wonder African women are
31:19bleaching because they think that if
31:20they become white they what I'm trying
31:23to tell you is the statement alone is is
31:26false some but they created it and I
31:29understand the person couldn't
31:30understand why everywhere people with
31:32white skin leaves the place seems to be
31:35quot developed and well established so
31:37it must be being white makes you do
31:40these things simply say being a giraffe
31:42makes you you know taller than every
31:44animal so so tell me about the Jim Crow
31:46era in the United States slave period no
31:49that's not the slave period no I'm
31:50saying post slave post whatever Jim Crow
31:53yes white people are still telling black
31:54people we don't want to live with you
31:55you can't come to our school you can't
31:56go to school that's it every slave
31:59owners are just dreadfully bad people
32:01they will do anything to you because you
32:02are ever lasted until well depending on
32:05how you define Jim Crow but what we
32:07traditionally conceive of the Jim Crow
32:10era I would be talking about jow as a
32:11surprise to me if they did it to
32:13themselves they did it to black people
32:15which for me it's a natural outcome of
32:17you being their slave why would you even
32:20mention it you should expect that it
32:22should happen so I feel like your
32:23argument goes from White Privilege does
32:25not exist to White Privilege exists but
32:27it makes sense because
32:28it doesn't make sense because priv
32:30doesn't exist again before we run up no
32:34I have traveled and I have seen no
32:37single white country whether with or
32:39without the privilege as you said you
32:41you haven't seen where it failed because
32:43they didn't establish institutions and
32:45laws to benefit
32:47themselves I haven't seen it but I've
32:50seen every place self-rule by black
32:53people their government is black
32:54everything is black we disagree on the
32:56fact that self-rule
32:58when we disagree with self rer that's
33:00the point that I was trying to make with
33:01I I thought that I would have succeeded
33:03for you to have shown me where if black
33:06white didn't control institutions and
33:08laws which they made of course they saw
33:09those laws to be intelligent it doesn't
33:11exist that place doesn't exist so like
33:12you're asking me to be like okay
33:16failed then I will see it but it hasn't
33:19happened when white supremacy is an
33:21ideology that has taken over the entire
33:23world and white white uh Western
33:25liberalism is something that has taken
33:27over the entire world that's based on
33:28white supremacy that's not a great
33:30argument to say can you point to one
33:32place where white folks didn't do this
33:33and they didn't succeed there is no
33:35place where they didn't do it so it's
33:36not a great argument to have to someone
33:38or to respond to someone who believes
33:39that this is the case so in my and again
33:42I also want to address some of your
33:44points here um which you're talking
33:45about oh in sports you know why would we
33:47there's was a long time when black folks
33:49could not um become I can see the
33:52producer is giving it a sign but you've
33:54been a really good sport than I expected
33:57thank you so
33:58this is really good thank you thank you
34:00very much
34:03[Music]

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