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0:00[Music]
0:16Hello and welcome to ZPR Zanu Project
0:19Rethink. Uh my name is Frank Zano and
0:22I'm in the studio today with a
0:24wonderful, wonderful gentleman here in
0:27Connecticut. Um I've known uh this
0:30gentleman for quite some time going
0:32about 15 years. Uh but you know with
0:34social media my feet jumped on his feet
0:38and boy we are at war.
0:41Yaba Ibo Mandingo it's a revolutionalist
0:46when it comes to art. He's a painter
0:49well known in the state of Connecticut.
0:51Let me say the entire country. I have
0:53followed him all the way to Manhattan
0:55when he that was John J center right?
0:58Yes. Wow.
0:58>> That's correct. I came with your sister
1:00from Antigga.
1:01>> Yes.
1:01>> Dr. Fleming that night.
1:03>> Wow.
1:03>> You think I don't remember?
1:06>> Wow. I got a memory, man.
1:09>> Wow.
1:10>> We met on a train about 15 years ago and
1:12then he gave me a little book of poem he
1:14wrote and I got hooked. And since then,
1:17uh, Mingo is here.
1:20>> Mingo said, he sent me a note in the
1:23comment section. and he said, "Listen, I
1:25like your show, but you are saying a lot
1:27of things, and I think you need a little
1:29push back because you are not nailing
1:31some of the facts." So, I said, "Well,
1:33brother, then let's get together
1:36>> and let the public hear us."
1:38>> Yes.
1:39>> Because I know you've been around. I
1:41know you care. Uh, Mingo
1:44has a passion for youth, black youth,
1:47>> and he does anything. He's a mentor and
1:50he's now looking for a black box, a
1:51place he can use art, acting to get the
1:54anger out of our young ones.
1:57>> So, ZPR project rethink. All we do here
2:00is question the answers. Welcome, bro.
2:03>> Welcome, my brother.
2:04>> Yeah,
2:04>> good to see your face.
2:06>> So, you said that um there are certain
2:09things you heard uh on my show um
2:12>> that you thought I needed a little push
2:14back. Mh.
2:15>> What you meant was that you want to give
2:17me some perspectives that I missed. So,
2:19>> yes.
2:20>> Well, you know, one of the one of the
2:21main things I'm a Rastapherian, we we we
2:23talk balance, good and evil. Just
2:26balance. Balance is uh I'm always
2:29conscious of well, nobody writes
2:30anymore.
2:31>> Right.
2:31>> And being a historian, I know that in
2:34100 years, this is what our great
2:35grandchildren will use as research when
2:37they have to write papers on things.
2:38They're not going to be books. They're
2:39going alo they have access to our social
2:41media pages. So I'm always conscious of
2:44the fact that in maybe 50 100 years a
2:47child will come upon this and I would
2:49just like them to have some balance. So
2:51like for example I think the first thing
2:52I reacted to was the gentleman in South
2:54Africa you spoke about that that had the
2:56ability which is the key word I think
2:58for me to um go off on his own and
3:02create something as a Calvinist and and
3:04create a little enclave for himself. And
3:07it would have been great if there was
3:09such a thing as such a story as a black
3:12man who was able to do that doing
3:13apartheite which there is no story like
3:15that
3:16>> and even today there's not any story. So
3:18that is the part that I wanted to to
3:19flesh out the fact that this white man
3:21because he is a white man in South
3:23Africa had the ability to do this. I I
3:26would love to live off grid in that same
3:27kind of way. But he also not only did he
3:28have the ability to do it, he had the
3:30ability to get the financial things he
3:33needed to set up electricity and water
3:38and all the things to have a functioning
3:39community where he he could be autonomic
3:42and not autonomic and and not have to
3:44involve anybody and get any help from
3:46anybody.
3:48Not only Julius but many many South
3:50Africans, you know, I I spent a couple
3:53months there and I have some wonderful
3:54friends there. They would love the
3:56ability to do that and and the country
3:58is big enough so they would love the
4:00ability to also create because I don't
4:02think empires work.
4:05>> I think I think
4:06>> what do you mean when you said they
4:07would love to have the ability to do
4:09that? The South Africans the black South
4:11Africans the black South Africa.
4:12>> What do you mean when you say they would
4:13love to have the ability?
4:14>> They well they would have loved it doing
4:16apartheite but even now when South
4:19Africa even though apartheite is gone is
4:20still very much economic imbalance is
4:23ridiculous. They would love to be able
4:25to set up their own schools, their own
4:26hospitals.
4:27>> Why are they not doing it?
4:28>> Well, they don't have the the economic
4:29ability to do it. That is that is the
4:31main part that I'm talking about. This
4:33the
4:33>> what is preventing them?
4:34>> The wealth has still not been been
4:36dispersed. It still hasn't been been
4:38balanced out. They still when you go to
4:40South Africa, the white South Africans
4:42still control the money. They still
4:44control just like in my country in
4:45Antigga, my little island 108 square
4:47miles. white people run Antigga and they
4:50since they did since I was a boy and I
4:52knew that because I saw the place they
4:53control. So the the ability to do that
4:56and the ability to be a white man and go
4:58to another white man and say can you
5:00help me do this
5:01>> and get that help because he has the
5:02power and he happens to be
5:04>> the president of France.
5:06>> I see. So
5:08where you have the problem is that
5:11when we talk about the Orania project
5:14which is what uh is in South Africa
5:16>> that I was supposed to talk about
5:19because Mr. Vos is a white man therefore
5:23he had the ability and access to money.
5:27Yes.
5:27>> That's why he was able to do it.
5:28>> Yes.
5:30>> And you're saying the reason the blacks
5:32can't do it is because they don't have
5:34access to money. Not the same kind of
5:36access he does.
5:36>> That's correct. Right.
5:37>> All right.
5:39>> 84.7% of the population of South Africa
5:42is black. That's majority.
5:44>> Mhm.
5:45>> It's only now going 6.8 or 7% is white.
5:50>> I have never seen a place where the
5:52majority depends on the minority for
5:56progress to happen. Never. Here
6:01America. What do you mean? Well, the the
6:04majority of the people here are not rich
6:07and they depend on the other. See, for
6:09me, it's not just black and white. The
6:11the lines aren't just black and white.
6:12The lines are the lines I believe the
6:15lines have always been class.
6:16>> Yes.
6:17>> Always. Always. Always. Race. Color is
6:19is is one of the excuses for that.
6:21>> Okay.
6:22>> But it's always been class. And when you
6:23grow up like you did and I did in a in a
6:25black country.
6:26>> Yes.
6:26>> The my house my grandmother's house was
6:28two doors away from the prime minister.
6:30Right.
6:30>> We were their friends because my my
6:32grandmother sold for his wife. Not
6:33because they were in the same class,
6:34>> right?
6:34>> She allowed my grandmother to sit next
6:36to her in church because my grandmother
6:37made her clothes, not because they were
6:39friends.
6:39>> Right. You understand?
6:40>> What I'm saying? The history of South
6:42Africa is different from that of the
6:43United States of America.
6:44>> The whites there are settlers
6:47>> Mhm.
6:47>> before they were both colonized along
6:49with the blacks.
6:51>> And if a minority of foreign settlers
6:54that have nothing in common with you
6:55just took a land and settled way before
6:57it became South Africa. So when they
6:59arrived there was no South Africa. Mhm.
7:0284.7
7:04of 12 different tribes of different
7:07talents and abilities.
7:10If you say the economy is not being
7:12dispersed
7:14>> to be dispersed from who to who and why
7:17should the whites why should the whites
7:19disperse the economy?
7:20>> No, I don't I don't think that is see
7:22that's that's that's the that's looking
7:24at it from the fit from the finish. The
7:26beginning of it is where the answer is.
7:27I think
7:28>> Sure. Yeah. Why would it the settler who
7:30has come from his house with a handbag?
7:32>> How did how did he get the ability
7:35access to that type of wealth? Is it
7:37because when he got there he got on a
7:39horse and marked the land and then rode
7:40the horse that he was tired and then
7:42mark that land and that became his land
7:44that is now his great great grandson's
7:46land. Is that is that why I think that
7:48has a as a if you can't find the
7:51equivalent where there's a black South
7:53African whose great great grandfather
7:55left him that same land then you right
7:58away you begin to see the imbalance not
8:00at the finish of it but at the beginning
8:01of it how things started you have access
8:04to not only to wealth but to an
8:07infrastructure that was designed for you
8:09>> by who? by your by your ancestors by by
8:12the settlers.
8:12>> But that is what I'm saying. So what I'm
8:14asking you is the 84.7%
8:18>> of the population
8:19>> who have lived on that land for
8:21thousands of years
8:23>> before this foreigner showed up only 450
8:26to 500 years ago.
8:28>> How come they did not build that wealth?
8:31>> Because that wasn't their structure.
8:33>> What was their structure?
8:34>> Their structure was immutu. I am because
8:36we are. So what if they went back? What
8:38if they went back? Could the could the
8:40white the set the the white settlers
8:41survive in that in that system? No, they
8:45destroyed it.
8:46>> No. If they had a system inbutu as you
8:49saying,
8:50>> why didn't they the 49 to 50 million
8:53blacks just cut off and then use to
8:56prove that they can also develop on
8:58their own? What happened to
9:00>> they weren't left alone.
9:02>> What happened?
9:03>> Aparttheite happened. No, let me explain
9:05apathide to those who may not know the
9:07real background of apathide.
9:11The word is an English word or Dutch
9:13word that just became African.
9:14>> Mhm.
9:16>> Simply saying, well, this is the
9:18majority. We would like to keep our
9:21culture and leave our little area. In
9:23fact, the whites were putting more
9:25pressure on themselves to say, we can
9:27exist in this little corner here by
9:30ourselves. We don't want intermingle of
9:32race, religion. That's it. Do you know
9:35that aparite in terms of living separate
9:38has always been there. It became a
9:41problem because somebody thought it was
9:42a good idea to ask the parliament to put
9:45it into law. That was what ignited the
9:49fight against it. But the structure
9:51itself was there for over hundreds of
9:53years. So my question to you is this.
9:56>> If the whites were apart, which is look,
9:59we will live in our small corner. They
10:00are confident enough to say even though
10:02we are minority we can survive. Why
10:05didn't the majority say okay go on with
10:07your apath we will go with our boot and
10:09then build a black South Africa on their
10:12own community. Apath didn't say you can
10:15exist. No. So so aparttheite didn't stop
10:18that.
10:19>> No.
10:19>> Aparttheite supported that. It was
10:21actually enabling you to go on and beu
10:24leave us alone. So, so the South Africa
10:26even before it it was made legislative
10:28law,
10:29>> you're saying that the white people in
10:30South Africa supported black people
10:32going off on their own and doing their
10:34own thing. When you say supported, they
10:35didn't have to support or not support.
10:37You were existing before we arrived.
10:39What would were we check apatha doesn't
10:42mean that white people were telling
10:43blacks you're not going to live on this
10:44land. No, absolutely not. It simply
10:48means the place we took
10:51we would just keep it.
10:53>> Mhm.
10:53>> And live there just like Greenwich. And
10:55if you and if you stay there
10:57>> and if you're a black person and your
10:59family is from that area that we took,
11:01then you have to live under our laws
11:03now.
11:03>> No, there there was nothing like that.
11:05They could build they could build a ship
11:07stop rest stop where the the initial
11:10plan was to have a place where ships
11:12going out to Asia could stop and refuel
11:14and do all that. So you must understand
11:16that they pick a place that was
11:18>> that's why that's why the same way
11:21Orania is doing today. They took a
11:23bailine. They bought a bland from the
11:24government.
11:25>> The same thing they saw a bland because
11:27there was no country.
11:29There was no country. That is what
11:31people seem to forget. You must
11:32understand the Zulus were the most
11:34populated, most powerful and they were
11:36waging war on all the small tribes in
11:38the area. That was what the game was
11:41before these people came found a place
11:42and said
11:44>> same thing with the carab with the
11:45Caribbean,
11:46>> right?
11:46>> This is what they do.
11:47>> So how can somebody continue to insist
11:50that 84.7%
11:52of a population should rather rely on
11:56just
11:58a 6% that arrive, they don't even know
12:00the terrain. I'm my my my position is
12:03not anything about rely. My position is
12:06when do you in you in you add
12:10the mindset of the of the settlers who
12:12run South Africa for so many years and
12:14the the their the conscious efforts they
12:18made to hold black folks down that
12:20doesn't
12:20>> explain how they hold them they held
12:22them down
12:22>> with a part tide brethren once it became
12:24law so
12:26>> let's talk about a place that I I I've
12:28been for 45 years America had a part it
12:30was called Jim Crow
12:32>> okay
12:32>> you can you can literally take one thing
12:34and put them on top of is the same exact
12:36thing.
12:36>> Okay.
12:37>> So the the the the mentality, the
12:40mindset
12:42>> what what
12:43DW Griffith injected with the with the
12:46birth of a nation that the president
12:48showed in the White House and called it
12:49blazing fire.
12:50>> Mhm.
12:51>> Where you see what we see the the
12:53clueless clan invented for the first
12:54time as a weapon.
12:55>> Mhm.
12:56>> None of that had a role in why black in
12:58where black folks are in this country.
12:59Now
13:00>> we are talking about South Africa. No,
13:02we're talking about I'll come back here
13:04and explain this place. We're talking
13:05about South Africa and I think it's an
13:07important topic. It might ignite in the
13:10minds of other Africans and even
13:12African-Americans here and in the UK to
13:15understand that there is something
13:17deeper than what we are talking about.
13:20>> I want to state it categorically.
13:23>> White presence in South Africa
13:25contributed nothing to the economic
13:28status of blacks in South Africa.
13:31nothing
13:33because I would ask you then show me
13:38outside South Africa the remaining 53
13:42countries where there is no aparathite
13:44which one
13:46has developed to what it wants to be. If
13:49apathite caused black South Africans to
13:53have a low economic status,
13:55>> then I need someone to show me the
13:57remaining 53 countries in the continent
14:00which has no apartheite.
14:02>> So what did those countries have?
14:03Nothing.
14:04>> You went to Nigeria.
14:05>> They didn't have anything.
14:06>> No,
14:07>> it it was called colonialism and then
14:09imperialism.
14:10>> Exactly. So hold on there. I I'll share
14:12something with you. I will share
14:13something with you.
14:15So
14:17neoc colonialism is a new term used in
14:20Africa, everyone is using it.
14:24>> All the other countries that were
14:25colonized.
14:26>> Mhm.
14:28>> None. Asia, Middle East, Eastern Europe,
14:32colonized, none today uses the word
14:36colonalism ever did anything to us.
14:39See, we are not able to explain what
14:42caused a whole race 54 in a continent
14:46that they all have a uniform problem as
14:48it is. If you cannot explain it, you got
14:51to find something to use to say it might
14:53be this or that. I don't know if is it
14:57might
14:58if Haiti just finished paying their debt
15:02back to France for their freedom. Is
15:04that might or is that fact? Is it might
15:07that makon is still sounding like he's
15:09coming he he's just coming to terms with
15:12the fact that maybe they want to rule
15:14themselves in Bukun Faso is that I don't
15:16understand that's the part
15:17>> I am trying to say
15:20it is impossible
15:22it is impossible
15:24>> blacks in the Caribbean
15:26>> they have their own reason Babylonian
15:28system they will say blacks in Africa
15:31blacks in the UK blacks in America
15:33blacks in Asia
15:35>> why Only this race would say that
15:37somebody is always responsible for the
15:40way we are.
15:40>> No, not somebody. I don't think I don't
15:42think they're saying somebody. I think
15:43they're saying very specifically.
15:45>> All right.
15:45>> Very specifically, they're saying a
15:47system that I have that my grandfather
15:49was born into is responsible for my
15:51position.
15:52>> So, let me ask you then,
15:54if you have a three-year-old
15:56>> as a mother, a father, parents,
15:58pediatricians have shown you what a
16:00three-year-old should be able to do.
16:01Mhm.
16:02>> the motor systems, visual systems, audio
16:04systems, how it should function, the
16:06ability to speak and balance and go to.
16:08Okay. If you see your child is not doing
16:10it because you can see another child
16:11doing it, you can say something is wrong
16:13with my child.
16:14>> So, show me a place where blacks live on
16:18earth
16:20where we are saying
16:23that is a status blacks want to become.
16:25Where is that place?
16:27Because if we don't have any then we
16:29can't say anything is wrong with
16:30anybody. Where is that black place,
16:32country, community, neighborhood in the
16:35world?
16:35>> I would you know what I would
16:37>> where where where we are seeing it and
16:40saying that is a status. What I'm asking
16:42is what is the role model black country
16:45we are having in our head?
16:48>> I don't who is who is deciding what the
16:50status is? Where is it based on
16:52>> then? There is not it's not based on
16:54anything and nobody's deciding then how
16:55do we know something is wrong with black
16:56people? Why don't we just simply say we
16:59are the way we are because that is what
17:00we are
17:04>> because I don't think that's true.
17:05>> Then you have to show me a place where
17:07it has not happened.
17:08>> Where where what has not happened where
17:10black
17:10>> where blacks live and the status we are
17:13thinking we want to because you have to
17:14have a blueprint.
17:15>> If you're not looking at any black role
17:17model country or community then how do
17:19you know where you're going?
17:21>> It cannot be so uniform is what I'm
17:23trying to say. So for over 40 years,
17:26African uh South Africa, black South
17:29Africans wasted their time chasing
17:32apathide because they believe apathide
17:35was the reason they the blacks were the
17:37way they were. Apathy 32 years ago,
17:42yaba
17:44ended.
17:46>> Yes. Let me I'll come to that.
17:48>> So the the mindset of it when when so
17:50when the when the political system ended
17:52the mindset of racism that comes with
17:55apartheid ended too.
17:57>> I wouldn't know. You said mindset is
17:58something I can see with my eyes. I was
18:00in South Africa 2022. I'll come to that.
18:02>> So there no there are no racists in
18:03South Africa anymore.
18:04>> I'll come to that.
18:05>> Okay.
18:06>> All right. When it ended 32 years ago,
18:08it's a complete 100% black parliament.
18:12>> Okay.
18:12>> They even allow them to decide how to
18:15employ people, hire people. And they
18:17started with their quote.
18:18>> They allowed. They allowed.
18:19>> Yeah. The parliament
18:20>> allowed is like what appears.
18:21>> No, the parliament decided that is what
18:23they would do. So when there is a
18:25position, they will pick a black person
18:26three times out of five before a white
18:28person. Okay. For 32 years. We all know
18:30the story right now. The economy, me,
18:32infrastructure, everything is going
18:34down. Crime is climbing high.
18:36Do you know who South Africans are
18:38saying is the reason for their economic
18:40status right now?
18:42>> Probably the same people that
18:43>> No, they're not using that.
18:44>> Who who are they saying?
18:46>> Non black South Africans, Nigerians,
18:49Malians, Kenyans who are living there.
18:51They are chasing them on the street as
18:52we speak, killing. So now they found a
18:55new word. It's called xenophobia. They
18:57are saying foreigners, not whites
18:59anymore.
18:59>> They found a new a new word. That's an
19:01old word.
19:02>> They found a new vet, a new perpetrator.
19:05It's foreigners. When I was living in
19:07Kenya in 2016,
19:08>> I know the Nazi five Ghanaians.
19:10>> The Nazi party did it too in Germany
19:12>> were killed in the streets by South
19:13Africans.
19:13>> The Nazi party did exactly the same
19:15thing in Germany. You always find a
19:17state good. You always find escape.
19:18>> Okay. So you see now.
19:19>> Yeah. Always. You always find escape. If
19:21the foreigners, King George says George
19:24Washington was a scape goat for King
19:25George.
19:25>> If the foreigners, the black foreigners
19:28from the other countries of Africa, if
19:30they leave,
19:31>> oh, they will find another scape.
19:32>> Of course they will. Because because
19:34we're humans before we we're African.
19:36>> So shouldn't that
19:37>> So that's a human that's a human
19:38behavior.
19:39>> Okay. Now let's come to this. This is
19:41the most important one. I would like you
19:42to answer for me. Before South Africa
19:46>> was built and raised almost to the same
19:48standard of an European country. You
19:50will never catch a black South African
19:51in Nigeria or Ghana cleaning streets.
19:53Never. Not even in Europe.
19:55>> And they speak they speak wonderful
19:57English.
19:57>> That's correct. So they almost they
19:59almost sound like English men when they
20:00speak. That was the standard the country
20:02was raised up to, right?
20:04>> A standard. Listen to listen to the
20:05words you're using, bro.
20:06>> Yes. This So, so speaking proper English
20:09is a is a high standard.
20:10>> No, no, no. I'm talking about the
20:11economic structure of the country,
20:12infrastructure, schools, better than any
20:15other country in West Africa, including
20:16those that have oil.
20:18>> Okay. Let me ask,
20:18>> was that because white people they were
20:20they had white people around them longer
20:22to to to practice with.
20:23>> So, let me ask you, before the whites
20:26arrived in South Africa,
20:28>> Mhm.
20:30What infrastructures has gone away?
20:33What development has gone away? They
20:36>> again meaning what was there that the
20:39blacks are saying has been taken away
20:41from them. Please
20:42>> I don't know I don't know if the blacks
20:43are saying anything other than other
20:45than their own structures
20:46>> which is what
20:48>> whatever whatever they were practicing
20:49before they show they
20:51>> whatever. So, so
20:52>> there was no they
20:53>> so the tribes were not practiced
20:55something intratribal they were not
20:56practiced they didn't have their own
20:58things inside of their own
20:59>> yes let me come
21:00>> that is what I'm talking about
21:01>> no by what I'm saying there were 12
21:03major tribes in that region not a
21:06country
21:07>> at all remember how I started I said I
21:09don't believe in empires
21:10>> all right let me
21:12>> that's what a country is a country a
21:13country is a collection of people this
21:15country it there's a reason wait there's
21:18a reason they didn't they don't call it
21:20America
21:20>> okay
21:20>> there's a reason they call the United
21:22States of America. You know why that
21:23reason is? Because they're not united.
21:25>> Okay?
21:26>> United is is a hope.
21:28>> Okay?
21:28>> When you go back to the original 13
21:30colonies, none of them liked one
21:32another. That is very very normal with
21:34human beings. The carabs and the
21:36Arawaks, the the the the Zimbabweans and
21:40the South Africans, that that whole
21:41tribal, whatever you want to call it,
21:43conflict, that that we are over here and
21:45you are over there. I believe that is
21:47how people exist. So what was there
21:49before what these little groups that
21:52became that we call tribes or whatever
21:53they are and
21:55>> that is what they should go back to
21:57because this idea of of of united
21:59anything is nonsense. That's why we
22:01can't go and find Alexander's Rome
22:03anymore because it was Alexander's wild
22:05idea.
22:06>> Hold on. The the the push back you
22:09wanted was that we did not inform people
22:12properly about South Africa. Am I asking
22:15>> traditions, customs,
22:16>> right? Zulus, Kosas, they are still
22:19practicing it. Their language is still
22:21there. Their form of dressing. In fact,
22:23the Zulus still have their kings in the
22:25quesunat.
22:27They still have it. Nobody told any
22:29African not to be an African. In fact,
22:33>> apart meant continue with your
22:35Africanness. Whatever you practice and
22:36we would practice ours. So, I'm asking
22:38you, wait, wait. I gave you I gave you
22:41the opportunity. No, no, no, hold on,
22:42hold on. I gave you the opportunity. All
22:44I'm asking
22:46what Mandela and his people were asking
22:49for was not give us culture, was not
22:52give us tradition,
22:54>> they were asking for economic equality.
22:56So I'm asking you what was there before
23:00the white men arrived that was taken
23:01away. Please please let's stay on
23:04>> I'm I'm right on right on with you.
23:06>> I'm staying on the propaganda of the ANC
23:10that was asking for the anti-apartite
23:12movement. They didn't ask for what
23:14you're saying. Give us our culture. Give
23:16us our traditions. No, they didn't say
23:17that. They said we wanted simply
23:20economic.
23:22>> I'm asking there.
23:24>> What did Mangalisa ask for? Did he ask
23:25for that too?
23:26>> Who? Mangalisa who was premandela.
23:29>> Yes. Yes. All of them.
23:30>> He was asking for the same things.
23:31>> The same thing. Nobody. I don't know.
23:33Unless I'm wrong, anybody.
23:34>> So, so they were so there were no there
23:35were no South Africans who wanted the
23:38white people to move.
23:39>> Move to where?
23:40>> Away. Leave me alone. That wasn't that
23:43wasn't that wasn't a declaration of
23:45>> before it became a country or
23:46>> Yes. Before it became a country after it
23:48became a country. So who would that be?
23:49>> No, there was no. So So what what is
23:52what is Julius what is Julius asking
23:54for?
23:54>> MaMa.
23:55>> Yeah.
23:56>> Appropriation of land without
23:57compensation.
23:58>> Okay.
23:58>> The same things Zimbabwe did and went
24:00down the basket completely because he is
24:02also thinking that if we can take these
24:04farms, these commercial farms from them,
24:05our people will be rich. Idi made the
24:07same mistake. I don't know. I'm asking
24:10>> I don't know if that I think that's you
24:12I think you're saying that I don't I
24:14think I think I don't I don't think it's
24:16a wrong and right thing. I think you are
24:18hearing what the brother is saying and
24:19you are taking that and you're drawing
24:21your own inferences. What I hear when I
24:23hear him saying that is
24:23>> it's efic
24:26freedom fighters.
24:27>> Yes.
24:28>> Not cultural freedom fighters.
24:29>> No. Because because they see that they
24:31see that as the thing that is they're
24:32lacking the most. So I'm asking you when
24:34you I'm asking you what economic
24:37structures were there before the white
24:40men built that country this which one
24:44what was
24:44>> which was export trade no
24:48see
24:49>> one of the things that people do when
24:51they're talking about history is they
24:52like to take today and put it on top of
24:54yesterday
24:56>> Mandela's what would Nelson Mandela's
24:58great great grandfather had said to that
24:59if you ask him that question he would
25:01have been clueless because you're
25:02talking about concepts he has no idea
25:03about. Now if you asked him if he would
25:05trade with the man inland yams for the
25:07fish he's catching at the ocean he would
25:09say of course they will do that but that
25:11is
25:11>> why did he stop
25:13>> because he he had to have a passbook to
25:14go from one place to the other but I'm
25:16saying to you 84.7%
25:19land belongs to black people no one ever
25:22told any black person you cannot
25:24continue to leave the kosas the vendors
25:26zulus there's no way to tell them listen
25:29the zulu king that was just elected that
25:32is 50 years he was on the throne for the
25:34quazulu natal nobody touches them what
25:37I'm just simply saying is this
25:39>> just like anywhere in the United States
25:42of America blacks would not complain if
25:45they didn't think that oh whites are
25:47more richer than us it's always somebody
25:49is richer than me
25:50>> I don't
25:50>> so I am saying to you and you need to
25:52you need to just have this conversation
25:54see when these white people the minority
25:57of minorities build that country to a
25:59European standard meaning that things we
26:01don't even have in countries in West
26:03Africa. They had it all in South Africa.
26:05That's why I said you would not find a
26:07black South African laboring in other
26:09countries because of the but because
26:12they they picked up habits. They picked
26:13up they don't act like Africa South
26:15Africans anymore. They rather have their
26:17idea of what what is what is the act
26:21because that they don't have what what
26:23has been put into them. That's correct
26:24generation. Very good.
26:25>> What has been put into
26:26>> I will I will I will answer that
26:28question for you. You see the the trash
26:30can, the trash can, I I made a theory
26:33around it. When the trash can is full,
26:36when you throw something into it, it
26:38bounce and falls on the side and then
26:39you see debris around it. But when the
26:42trash can is empty, anything you throw
26:44stays in it. If the South African, the
26:46black South Africans, if they had
26:47something real of value and close to
26:50themselves that they understand they can
26:52manage, they will never, as you said,
26:56allow habits to get into them where they
27:00accepted.
27:01>> Frank, that is the push back I have. How
27:04you every time you talk, you talk around
27:06that part. How did they get to this
27:08place where they reject their ancestors
27:11ways and pick up somebody else's? That's
27:13what I mean. Why is it that my mother
27:15still spells check c h e q u e when she
27:18has not been a British subject not
27:20citizen subject which is an object this
27:22is a subject.
27:23>> Yes.
27:24>> Why does my mother still
27:26>> because that island was colonized
27:27>> by who?
27:28>> By the English. Okay.
27:30>> And she was forced to speak the English
27:32language.
27:32>> So So is that not the same condition?
27:34Was that not the same condition in South
27:36Africa? Were they not colonized and
27:37forced to put down ways and something?
27:40So that is what I think that is when
27:42when I talk about what should be brought
27:44up. That is very important to bring up
27:46because now you have me thinking I'm
27:48talking about a South African who is
27:50pre-white man in South Africa. That is
27:52not who we are talking about. We're
27:54talking about the South the South the
27:55the black man after after we're talking
27:58about all all of these things where all
28:00of the things in this country for
28:01example America we're both here. In this
28:03country you can go to the library and
28:05see the things that George Bush senior
28:07grew up on. And so you you you get right
28:09away because I love Dr. Degru. She talks
28:12about post-traumatic slavery syndrome
28:14and the she's the first and I saw people
28:16like Naim Akbar in college talk about it
28:18but from a black point of view so is
28:20missing something
28:21>> right
28:22>> but Dr. Deuru is brilliant to me because
28:24she talks about if you put me in a box
28:26and you sit on that box for the next 40
28:28years making sure I stay in that box
28:30guess what you are trapped as well
28:32>> and that is what you're miss that's what
28:33I feel you're missing when you talk
28:35about that dance. So let me respond to
28:37that.
28:37>> The thing it is those that that
28:39psychological conditioning for years
28:42where you where you have women, black
28:44women putting lightening on their skin
28:46and changing the the the the way their
28:49hair looks. When you have African people
28:51or or or yeah African people who would
28:53rather be Caribbean, pretend to be
28:55Caribbean or use a a European name
28:58before they use the name that that they
29:00were given at birth. All of those things
29:02to just talk past those things.
29:03>> I understand. You've made it clear now.
29:05You've made it clear. Let me even
29:08summarize it so that you can understand.
29:10You can see that I understand you. You
29:11are saying that I am ignoring the fact
29:14that a foreigner came into a space and
29:17he forced his culture language upon the
29:20people
29:20>> and the people gave up what they have
29:22and now adopted the foreigners ways.
29:24That's what you're saying. And that such
29:28such phenomena can affect people. Am I
29:30right?
29:30>> Generationally.
29:31>> Yes, I understand. Am I right?
29:33>> Yes.
29:33>> Okay. Then your point is then why I zanu
29:37why are you not addressing that? But
29:40wait,
29:40>> why are you not including it?
29:42>> Yes, I understand.
29:43>> So that the person hearing it can get
29:44the
29:45>> Yeah, I understand. So let me now
29:47respond to you why I wouldn't include
29:49that. Because I look at other places
29:52where a similar phenomena took place
29:55>> where
29:56>> India,
29:58>> Korea,
30:00>> Vietnam,
30:02>> wait,
30:03>> Vietnam is one of the newest ones. So I
30:05look at those places and I ask myself
30:07and then I look at Kenya. So the British
30:10colonized Kenya
30:12>> and at the same time they colonized
30:14Kenya they were colonized in India.
30:16>> So they took indangered slaves from
30:17India pulled them huge into Kenya
30:21>> and colonized them until Kenya gained
30:23independence in 1960.
30:24>> Mhm.
30:26>> All right. When I lived in Kenya,
30:29the Indians
30:31have not taken over the British names,
30:33have not taken over the British system,
30:36have not taken over the British
30:37characteristics. They still live as
30:39Indians in Packland, Nairobi.
30:42>> Let's go to India. India was colonized
30:45longer than Ghana and Nigeria and Beni,
30:47okay? 81 years. But as soon as it was
30:50over, the Indians are now going through
30:53the generational trauma because they
30:56have now adopted English names and spell
30:58check ce uh
31:01>> let's go to Korea. It was a colonized
31:03for 49 years by the Japanese. They were
31:05forced to lose their language writings
31:07and everything. As soon as the Japanese
31:09left, I lived in Korea for two years.
31:11You would not see a visit to tell you
31:13Japanese were ever here.
31:14>> When did So when did the English leave
31:16Africa?
31:17>> So 1960. No, they haven't left. They
31:19never left.
31:20>> Okay, hold on. Hold on. I'll respond to
31:21that. This is what I mean by you have to
31:24find a boogeyman to explain everything.
31:26So now Africans who fought for
31:28independence boogeyman is real.
31:31>> Boogeyman is real.
31:32>> So why is not real in India? Why is it
31:34not real in Korea? What is not real in
31:36all these countries that are
31:37>> it's not real in Mumbai where you can go
31:39where funny thing where the Nigerian
31:42that I stayed with there told me about
31:43how he was able to go two times from
31:46being an alcoholic and replace his
31:47kidney because when he went there they
31:49were men standing around the block so
31:51that's that's that's that's good
31:53>> selling their kidneys one of their
31:54kidneys
31:54>> I am not going to blame a foreign
31:56behavior on anyone I'm just I've just
31:59>> it's not it's not blame I don't think
32:01it's blame I think I think blame is your
32:03word I Think if you go up on a if you
32:05come up on a thing and the floor is wet
32:08then you should say the floor is wet
32:09because you will ruin your shoes.
32:10>> That's correct.
32:11>> So the floor if the floor if there's a
32:12mess you have to acknowledge the mess.
32:14>> You asked me to explain why I did not
32:16include that and I have just explained
32:19why because I have found places
32:22>> and I had to compare those places and
32:24ask myself if these places went through
32:27the same phenomena
32:28>> in Uganda you remember until 1977. Of
32:31course, I was I was my first the first
32:33name I was teased when I came here with
32:35these black skin and these features was
32:37Idyamin. I know exactly who because once
32:39I was being called, I went and found out
32:41who it was.
32:41>> So Indian indangered slaves in Uganda
32:44and Ugandes. Okay. And they colonized
32:46both of them until the British left. M
32:49>> but when you go to India
32:51sorry to Uganda
32:53>> the Indians still maintain their
32:55traditions their manners their costumes
32:58they acted properly they didn't bleach
33:00they didn't take British names they
33:01didn't keep anything so I would look at
33:03that and I'll say then hold on something
33:05is not adding up it means it hold on you
33:08got to hold on it means I cannot look at
33:11South Africa I cannot look Antiga Beni
33:13and say oh it is because this place was
33:15colonized that's why things went and
33:17then let me go back to my analogy
33:20If the balloon effect, you can sit on it
33:23all you want. As soon as you get off,
33:24the balloon goes up.
33:26>> Okay.
33:27>> If the place knew that, okay, people
33:29came here and they use force.
33:31>> Mhm.
33:32>> And because you want to leave, you
33:34accepted it.
33:34>> Mhm.
33:35>> When they left just like Indian did,
33:37just like Korea did, just like other
33:38places did. Why didn't you just wash it
33:40out? It means
33:43what they gave you, you saw value in it
33:46than what you had before they came.
33:48Wait, I'm not finished. That is the
33:50analogy of the waste bin. If there is
33:54something in the waste bin, nothing can
33:56be thrown in. In fact, you can balance
33:58it, it will fall off. The reason we
34:01accepted everywhere you look, everything
34:04somebody else gave us, we took it is
34:06because ourselves, we didn't have
34:08anything we thought was of any value.
34:10And that is a sensible human behavior.
34:14Was that always true?
34:16>> Always. We always we so so your great
34:18great great grandfather in Benin never
34:20thought what what he had was good before
34:23white men show up showed up.
34:24>> Yeah. Somebody says you never knew you
34:26were hungry until you saw food.
34:27>> So So you're saying you're saying
34:29>> for you the empty stomach you have is
34:30just a way of life. Ah maybe this is it.
34:33Then when food came you realize oh I'm
34:35hungry. So my great great grandfathers
34:37thought what they had was okay because
34:39nothing else was presented to him.
34:42Nothing else was presented until they
34:44and told nothing else was presented to
34:46them and they were it was drilled into
34:49them over generations that it was
34:51better. It was better Frank that is the
34:53difference Indians didn't lose their
34:55language. They told you it was
34:57>> didn't lose their culture. You know why
35:00the British the British found it
35:01romantic. They found it erotic. They
35:04found it exotic. So they didn't lose the
35:06English man didn't man and here's
35:08another point I want you to remember.
35:09Mhm.
35:11>> Why do you think the Indian, the Korean,
35:15the Vietnamese, where did they get this
35:19need to separate themselves from black
35:22people from?
35:23>> Black people.
35:24>> Yes.
35:24>> What do you mean separate?
35:25>> Separate. The one of the most insulting
35:27things you can tell an Indian is he has
35:29black features or he's very dark skin.
35:31>> Okay.
35:32>> What? They they will lose it.
35:34>> Okay. What makes the Korean woman in
35:35California now I think is now 32 years
35:3830 around them times about 30 something
35:41years ago. What made her shoot that
35:43little 12-y old girl in the head that
35:44came in our store? What did she see when
35:46she saw that little girl? And who told
35:48her that little girl was a monster?
35:50>> Where did that come from? Did she read
35:51that in her book as a girl?
35:52>> What was the question?
35:53>> The question is where did that come
35:54from? what the in this country
35:57>> and in in most of the places I've been
35:59most of some of the most racist things
36:01I've noticed or witnessed haven't been
36:03from white people
36:04>> they have been from those same people
36:05you're talking about from Indians and
36:07from Asian
36:08>> where who taught them that
36:09>> taught them what
36:10>> that that hierarchy of I'm better than
36:12you you're down there don't come up here
36:13with me my daughter cannot marry you
36:16>> where did that come from
36:18>> culture
36:19>> culture
36:20>> yes
36:20>> so that's not them mimicking you
36:22mimicking England they didn't get that
36:23from England They didn't get that
36:25because they were told black is the
36:26worst thing you can be. Your complexion
36:28that complexion is the worst. So if
36:30you're a black Indian and you live in
36:32India, your your you more than likely
36:34you belong to the class of the
36:36undesirabs.
36:37>> That may be the same thing in Haiti.
36:38Then there were also the Haitians who
36:40are lightkinned and
36:40>> of course that's the same thing in same
36:42thing in the Caribbean.
36:43>> They were told, right?
36:44>> Well, I mean wasn't Bundi wasn't Bundi
36:46the same people killing each other.
36:48>> Okay. almost to the million because
36:50because France told them that the
36:52lightkinned ones that they were better
36:53than
36:53>> Yes. Very good. I've heard that. But
36:56that is I am
36:57>> That is true though.
36:57>> Yes, it's true.
36:58>> It's true because you said it.
37:00>> No, no, not because I said it because if
37:01the history wait please wait and hear
37:04me. Your points are so very good. It
37:07allows me to share with you what I have
37:09also observed. So we have, you know, I'm
37:12currently a fan of uh uh Daniel Canaman
37:15who wrote uh thinking fast and slow.
37:17Guys, you want to get that book? It
37:19changed my life completely on how I look
37:21at things.
37:22>> Daniel Kennyman, say it again because
37:24that's I want that book. Daniel
37:25Kennyman.
37:26>> Candyman. Yes.
37:26>> And it's called Thinking Fast and Slow.
37:28>> No. Thinking fast and slow.
37:29>> That's that's the whole title, right?
37:31Unbelievable. I I'll tell you before you
37:32leave.
37:33>> Please, please, please.
37:33>> You see, human beings
37:36>> have two ways of thinking.
37:38>> One is the fast way. It's intuitive.
37:42>> It's emotional,
37:43>> sexual. Yes. Reactive.
37:45>> Reactive and quick.
37:46>> Mhm.
37:47The other one is you want to gather all
37:49the information so it's slow decisive.
37:52That's correct. Okay.
37:53>> All right.
37:54>> We look at things and we make too quick
37:57using thinking one.
37:58>> Agree.
37:59>> By the conclusions we arrive and when
38:01that happens it never allows us to see
38:03the entire
38:04>> and that is what I'm doing.
38:05>> Agree.
38:06>> So here is what I'm saying again.
38:08>> I come to you and tell you hey man your
38:10skin color is not good enough. Well you
38:12know why you would accept it?
38:14>> I said it. If you haven't seen value in
38:16it yourself,
38:18>> it has not been shown in your culture.
38:20>> So when you keep I almost call it an
38:23insult
38:24>> to say that a black person was told that
38:27his skin color was not beautiful, his
38:29name was not beautiful. It
38:30>> is an insult.
38:31>> Wait, no, not that kind of insult.
38:34>> You the people saying that
38:36>> when that happened, the black man
38:38actually obeyed.
38:40>> No.
38:40>> Well, wait. I'm not finished. You got to
38:42hear it.
38:43>> Okay, I'm listening. But you you
38:44intentionally chose the word drill into
38:47us. So wait,
38:49>> look, the Japanese drilled into the
38:51Koreans and I don't want to say the word
38:53they use here.
38:56>> The Japanese considered the Koreans
38:58inferior. The whole of Asia. They did.
39:01And they told them time and again when
39:03they were living there,
39:04>> it did not make the Koreans inferior.
39:07>> The Jews were told in Germany, they were
39:09the inferior race. We know that he did
39:12not make the you accept that he was
39:13inferior and want to change his work for
39:16the Germans when he came here.
39:18>> No, I'm not going to move away to
39:19another subject. I am telling you places
39:21where people have been told that they
39:23are inferior over and again Jews went
39:26through that. It never made them
39:28inferior. So then I'll question the
39:29conclusion you've made. Why only when it
39:32came to us we accepted?
39:35>> Did the Jews go through the same
39:36conditioning that Africans did? I am not
39:39going to compare but maybe worse.
39:40>> No, not not compare. Not this is not
39:42compare.
39:42>> Yes, they were in slavery. This is no
39:44>> they were told in slavery they were
39:45inferior. They lived under a Nazi regime
39:48the way they were told they cannot even
39:50collaborate.
39:52>> This is this is
39:54>> even in this country Jews were looked
39:55down upon. Irish were looked down upon.
39:57They were told they were inferior over
39:59and again Jews accepted it. books were
40:01written in Germany informing German
40:04children that the iron race is the most
40:06pure and superior way.
40:08>> I agree. I agree.
40:10>> So then I'm asking you if that is the
40:12case, why didn't the Jews become
40:14inferior? Because it was drilled down
40:16them through propaganda. Why only us
40:19always we claim that somebody told us
40:21that something is wrong with us and then
40:23we ask
40:23>> you do you think there were any Jews in
40:25Germany
40:26>> who passed as Germans because they
40:28didn't want to be killed because they
40:29look they look enough like a German to
40:31do it.
40:32>> Well you say pass right? Yeah. I'll find
40:34any way to escape from prison but as
40:36soon as I'm out I'm going back to my
40:37Jewish. Let me ask you're going back to
40:39Let me say something. No. No. No. Wait
40:41wait wait. You're going back to your
40:42Jewish self as soon as you get out. Did
40:44do black people did black people have
40:46that that that option during d doing Jim
40:49Crow?
40:49>> Bigger than anybody else. Not here in
40:51this country on the continent here and
40:53everywhere. They have the option to have
40:55gone back. It was offered pay for by the
40:57black star line organization.
40:59>> You talking about Marcus Gabi?
41:01>> Noamin Krummer the British company said
41:03we will pay for it because it was the
41:05British who insisted that if they remain
41:07in America it's not going to be a good
41:09result. But let's not move from what I'm
41:11talking about here.
41:12>> We have to admit very intertwined.
41:14They're very intertwined. For me, I keep
41:17going back to it because the the
41:19>> So, it's the same question I'm asking.
41:20>> The the the what
41:22>> the blacks were black people what
41:24African people went went through across
41:26in the entire country when it cames to
41:29that time period. You there's nobody
41:30else you can pick to compare to that.
41:32>> There's nobody else you can talk about
41:34who was broken down psychologically,
41:37physically, mentally,
41:39healthwise. There's no other race of
41:41people who are broken down. Mhm.
41:43>> So completely removed so completely from
41:45their original selves and then given and
41:48then given freedom one day and and told
41:50to go and do your thing. There's no
41:52there's no other people you can compare
41:54to that. There's none. Not not any
41:56Asians.
41:56>> Too many.
41:58>> One of them. Give me one. Look, the
42:01whole of the Slavic region, north,
42:05northern Europe, the only reason we
42:08don't see it, the whole of Africa, my
42:10local,
42:11>> you got to allow me to explain so my
42:13audience can also hear something. I do I
42:15do give you a lot of time. My mother's
42:17race, my mother's tribe was completely
42:20taken by the Abume. All they wanted was
42:23the women. They wanted to procreate with
42:25the women so they can build the Abume
42:27kingdom bigger. So my mother tried
42:29completely. They were slaves. You know
42:31what they did to the women? They used
42:32them for experiment.
42:35Do you know why today when you walk into
42:38my area, you don't know who was a slave?
42:40Because the skin color was the same. It
42:42blended.
42:44Northern Europe. The reason they are not
42:46talking and complaining is because when
42:48the slavery was over, the skin color
42:51blended. The EOS and the OSUS. When it
42:56was over, the skin color blended. The
42:58reason this thing is still active and
43:00alive in America is that it's the last
43:02one and the only place where former
43:05slaves have a different skin color.
43:08Nothing is done. Nothing. Absolutely
43:12nothing. And Mr. Yaba, if we continue
43:17scaring our children that something is
43:19holding you down, something is wrong, no
43:22wonder we are not helping our young
43:26ones. Because by the time they turn 12
43:28and get out of we are told that there's
43:30a system that is holding you down. Why
43:34would this kid have the impetus at all
43:37to say let me work hard and cooperate
43:40with society? Because you know what if I
43:42fail oh they will make an excuse that it
43:45is a system that made me fail not me. We
43:48got to stop it. I have shown you too
43:50many examples around the world. The
43:53reason the American slave and their
43:54American experience is still alive is
43:56because it's the only place on earth
43:59where former slaves have a different
44:01skin color that reminds them every day
44:05that something or somebody is doing
44:07something. The one person, the one group
44:10of people American government will do
44:12everything to protect in this country is
44:15black people.
44:17Please ask me why. That's how the
44:20conversation is progressed. And I can
44:21explain to you America is a capitalist
44:24country which means capitalism
44:27does well with consumers.
44:31You create a large class of consumers,
44:34those who love to use material things to
44:37show off. And boy, come November 7,
44:41Black Friday, go to the mall across this
44:44country and see the purchasing power of
44:47black people. this country will be
44:50stupid enough to want to destroy that
44:52class. No, they will feed them and keep
44:55them alive so they can buy
44:58Nike, Samsung, iPhone 16,
45:03wheels on your car, long hair, nails,
45:07every retail in this country relies
45:10Mayweather has 39 cars.
45:14You will not destroy that powerful
45:16consumer class. This is why I know no
45:20Africa
45:24have not discussed the real problem. The
45:28excuses we are making would continue to
45:30delay the solution.
45:31>> And what's the real problem?
45:34>> The real problem there is a certain
45:36threshold
45:38that things get and I will conclude that
45:41is the nature of that thing. and Africa,
45:44the whole continent, the black race has
45:47way passed that threshold.
45:49>> And the threshold is
45:51>> every country in Southeast Asia, in
45:53Asia, in the Middle East, who were once
45:55colonized and held down by others,
45:57including the 14 Balkan countries held
46:00down by the Union of Soviet Socialist
46:02Republic, now called Russia. They all
46:04bounced back solid after 25 years.
46:08I was in a conference in Singapore. I
46:11met a Korean professor. So nostalgia. I
46:14started talking about my days in Korea.
46:16He was happy. Then colonization came up.
46:19He said, "Do you know you have something
46:20in common with us?" I said, "Yes, my
46:22country was colonized for about 48
46:24years. Yours was colonized." He said,
46:26"Yes." He asked me. So as a result of
46:29colonization, what did you lose? And he
46:33hit me. And I said, "Whoa, I've never
46:35been asked that question." So I said,
46:37"Look, help me. What did the Koreans
46:40lose? He said, "We didn't lose anything.
46:42We only lost time."
46:47So, as a result of colonization,
46:50which the two of them went through the
46:51same thing, dehumanization, demeaning,
46:54and psychological operations to drill in
46:57you the superiority of the Japanese
47:01in Africa, propaganda, psychological to
47:04drill in you the superiority of the
47:06white. Why? At the end of it,
47:11many of them in Southeast Asia just went
47:12on. He said, "At the end of it, we just
47:15went back being Koreans."
47:18And at the end of it, what did Africans
47:20go back to being? South Carolinians,
47:23Virginiaians, New Yorkans. That's the
47:26same thing. You're saying that's the
47:28same thing to you?
47:29>> Mhm. They should have done what was done
47:31in in Japan.
47:32>> They should have done what should have
47:34should have What does should have to do
47:35with reality? What was done in Japan?
47:37>> What was done in Japan was the Koreans
47:39went back to being Koreans, right?
47:41>> No, not in Not in South Korea.
47:43>> No, in North Korea, they went back to
47:45being Koreans.
47:46>> No. Japanese took a lot of women as
47:48comfort women to Japan, of course.
47:50>> And they took a lot of slaves
47:52>> for the wars when it was over
47:55>> inside Japan.
47:56>> Inside Japan,
47:58>> we have 1.7 million
48:00>> Koreans.
48:01>> Koreans.
48:01>> And they they live like Koreans now.
48:03They don't even some of them don't speak
48:05proper anymore.
48:07>> But they decided to ask the government
48:08after it was over. We don't want to
48:11integrate or even as simply give us II,
48:14the largest prefecture where and they
48:15call them Zichi, which is the second
48:18Koreans.
48:18>> Mhm.
48:19>> They don't join the army. They don't
48:21vote. They don't participate in any of
48:23the things. They're Koreans inside of
48:25Japan.
48:25>> That's correct.
48:26>> Unto themselves.
48:27>> Yes. And and do you think that has to do
48:29with any the fact that they had they
48:31still have remnants of themselves enough
48:33to grab hold of and rebuild from there?
48:36>> What would have that be? Cultural
48:38remnants of themselves like for example
48:40their language like for example their
48:42spirituality.
48:43>> Mhm.
48:44>> They cut themselves.
48:45>> Do you think do you think that that
48:47those things had anything to do with
48:49their ability to now rebuild themselves
48:51as Koreans? So then if you know what you
48:53lost, why didn't the African-Americans
48:54>> No, I'm I'm
48:57question.
48:57>> Yes, I'm going to answer your question.
48:59The Koreans knew that that is what they
49:01lost
49:01>> when they were in Japan. They didn't
49:03speak Korean. So they said, "Look, we
49:05can't mix up with those people.
49:07>> So poverty doesn't matter. But what it
49:09matter is let's go create an identity.
49:12>> Zi,
49:13>> why don't we do that?"
49:15>> From what? From what? Using what? What
49:18do we use with no remnants? What do you
49:21use to build something? You have no
49:23remnants. There are no remnants. Your
49:24your idea, if you go to the average the
49:27average black American in this country
49:29and you ask them, what is what does
49:30success look like?
49:31>> Yes.
49:32>> And it it sounds exactly like a white
49:35person. What I'm saying for me for me
49:36now, the word xenophobia you talked
49:38about in 44 years,
49:40>> the most xenophobia I've ever
49:42experienced in this country is from
49:43black Americans.
49:44For me, the people that teased me when I
49:47came here, I never, no white person ever
49:49called me a coconut like Africans call
49:50us. No black, no black, no white person
49:53ever called me a banana book guy.
49:55>> Why?
49:56>> Why?
49:57>> Why do black Why were black Americans
49:58the one that did it? Because they saw me
50:00as different to them because they were I
50:03still had remnants of things that they
50:04don't they don't they don't recognize.
50:06>> Okay.
50:06>> I walk barefoot. My mother would my
50:08mother could still put the basket on her
50:10head and walk through the ghetto to the
50:12to the laundry mat like she was in
50:13Antigga.
50:14>> You see I have some credibility. I was
50:18born in a traditional Benin. I always
50:22told you you're now from Nigeria. You're
50:23Benino Dome.
50:25>> Okay.
50:26>> All right. And I lived with my
50:28grandfather
50:29>> and was raised in the wisdom of my
50:32culture, my traditions.
50:34>> And then I started traveling. So when I
50:36see blacks outside my continent, you
50:39know what I'm looking at?
50:42My people.
50:43>> Yeah. And you see them.
50:45>> No. What I'm trying to say
50:47>> minus all the habits. You see them. You
50:49see them like this, bro.
50:50>> No. No. No. No. No. You're getting it
50:51wrong.
50:52>> What's What's your native tongue?
50:53>> You're going to What is your native
50:54tongue?
50:54>> You You're taking me to a different
50:56>> What is your native tongue?
50:57>> I speak a ja.
50:58>> You And you speak it. Do you speak it
50:59fluently still?
51:00>> Yes.
51:00>> You know what my native tongue is?
51:02>> No.
51:02>> I don't know either.
51:03>> Okay. So, hold on. What I'm trying to
51:04say is not to do with the language.
51:06>> But the language is the culture.
51:08>> But wait, I'm trying to tell you
51:09something. When I say when I see them
51:11outside, I just see us.
51:14>> Yes, you do.
51:15>> You don't see what I'm trying to You're
51:17not asking me questions.
51:18>> Okay. What? So, so what is it you see?
51:20Is that why should what I should ask
51:22you? What is it?
51:22>> Exactly. What we are doing on the
51:24continent is what they are doing here
51:25without language. That said,
51:28>> I said something
51:29>> in one of my episodes. Do you know why
51:31Africans stay away from black Americans?
51:33We see too much of us in them.
51:38My brother, I'm trying to tell you what
51:39I've heard from my own elders.
51:42>> Mhm.
51:44>> Everything you're trying to say is true,
51:45but we got to go to the bottom of the
51:47matter.
51:48>> And the nothing has happened to the
51:51black man. Why can't you accept that you
51:52you are what you are because of what you
51:54are?
51:54>> That is why I I am who I am because I
51:56believe that. But how many of us you are
51:58you saying that the majority of black
52:00people in this part of the world believe
52:02think the way you and I do when it comes
52:03to
52:04>> do you think the majority of the Greeks
52:06believe the way Socrates think it
52:08doesn't matter after 125 years
52:10>> it's not it it matters matters if we're
52:13talking about re reconentrating yourself
52:16the Greeks don't have to worry about
52:18that they were never they were never you
52:22ask me if you and I the way we think
52:24that the majority of blacks think that
52:25way Wow. That's why we
52:28>> I don't care about the Greeks.
52:29>> Yes. That's why I don't care about the
52:30Koreans. That's why we have the
52:32Japanese. That's why we have thought
52:33leaders. What we are saying today maybe
52:35come through 125 years from now.
52:39We will come to find out that we didn't
52:41use thinking number two. Nothing is
52:44wrong with the black man. Absolutely
52:46nothing.
52:46>> Well, I don't I don't think they think
52:48anything is wrong with them. I don't
52:49think black people think.
52:50>> No. Like when you said Michelle Obama is
52:52saying that, you know, she she she has
52:54dealt with racism and you don't or
52:56something along those lines. You said m
52:58I've heard Michelle Obama. I've heard
52:59Beyonce say these things and I don't
53:01think it happens. How can you say that,
53:03bro? You don't
53:03>> that what happened
53:04>> that they that they experienced those
53:06things.
53:06>> What things?
53:07>> I I'm I'm I don't want to misquote what
53:09you said, but in one of your episodes,
53:10you said something about about black
53:13people thinking calling white supremacy.
53:15Yeah.
53:16>> And dealing with white supremacy, and
53:17you you disavow it as if it's just a
53:18myth that they made up.
53:20>> Yes. Come on.
53:21>> I told them where it came from. Man,
53:23>> say telling somebody where something
53:25comes from does not does not disavow it.
53:28If your if your your mother went through
53:30red lining but she couldn't live in a
53:31place
53:33because exactly what we started this
53:35conversation with. They were using the
53:37first thinking to reach conclusions who
53:39told them what happened was racism.
53:42>> What was it? It it doesn't have anything
53:44to do with
53:45>> the way the black treated.
53:46>> It has nothing to do with who told them
53:48anything. If you lived in if you lived
53:51in if in in Jackson, Mississippi
53:53>> in 1950 like Richard Wright did, what do
53:56you think your life was like?
53:58>> Hell.
53:58>> Okay. So then what do you mean? Who had
54:00to tell them? They they lived it. Nobody
54:01had to tell them anything. They lived
54:03that life. You know who Richard Wright
54:05is, don't you? The black writer. You
54:07ever heard it where he talks about
54:08Africa? He sounds like a white man.
54:10Wait. Wait. And did you know he never
54:12came back? He never went back to
54:13Mississippi. He never went back to
54:14Jackson. He was afraid of Jackson.
54:17>> Yeah. What I do on my show is that I
54:20simply question conclusions and answers.
54:22Okay. So, so let me share something with
54:23you. The way African-Americans treated
54:25you when you came here, they did the
54:26same to me. Was that Was that racism?
54:29>> No. I
54:30>> No. No. You're You're going too far.
54:32>> No, I'm not. Let me let me Why is it not
54:33racism?
54:34>> You let me You asked me a question. Let
54:35me answer.
54:36>> Why is it not racist?
54:36>> Because racism the way I define it and
54:39the way I was taught in college, racism
54:41is the is is having the power to
54:44perpetuate your biases and your
54:45prejudices. make them legislative law.
54:48That is racism. You understand me? We
54:50have every human being biases and
54:53prejudices.
54:54>> I will give you the last the last
54:56platform. Okay. Please name one bias law
55:01made that prevents blacks from becoming
55:04>> red lining.
55:05>> Red lining is a law.
55:06>> Yes.
55:06>> Where is it?
55:08>> Where where is it?
55:09>> Well, you don't see it as often now, but
55:11you saw it in the 50s and the 60s in
55:12this country.
55:12>> Okay. Where is it now? Where is where is
55:14that law red lining now?
55:16>> Where is red lining?
55:16>> In in Greenidge Greenwich
55:18>> in Westport.
55:19>> Yeah. And that does what to what? To
55:21who?
55:22>> Because red lining therefore you could
55:25not become what? So the NBA
55:26>> because red lining you couldn't buy a
55:28house in this neighborhood.
55:28>> Oh, I see. That's what I mean by reding.
55:30All right. I understand. I understand. I
55:32understand.
55:33>> That's what redlinining was.
55:35>> Uh Montel Williams lived in Greenwich.
55:38>> Yes, he did.
55:39>> Okay. Mhm.
55:40>> So all the basketball players, NFL
55:42players, all of them
55:44>> red line doesn't affect them
55:46>> because what? Because what did I say at
55:48the beginning? I I never
55:51answer. I think racism is crap. I think
55:53it's always been about classism. So
55:56that's why they
55:57>> That is what I said in the episode. Go
55:58listen to it again.
56:00>> Frank, we never I never said anything
56:01about you and I not agreeing you. I said
56:04you need push back because you say these
56:05things and you run past them without any
56:07context. That's what I'm saying. You run
56:10past something like that without any
56:11context is you know how many you know
56:13how many people will understand the
56:14nuances between what racism most black
56:17people tell you and most white people
56:18tell you racism is that listen a black
56:21person in my in my in my judgment a
56:23black person does not have any power to
56:25be racist
56:26>> because you don't have you don't you can
56:27you can be the Jay-Z I understand Jay-Z
56:30doesn't have the power to be Jay-Z can
56:32be a bigot can be a classist he does not
56:35have any powers one man to do
56:37>> I understand you got to allow me to
56:39interject
56:43if what blacks did to you is not racism
56:46but if they had worn a white skin
56:49>> it would have been racism
56:51>> conclusion right
56:52>> no that's you say that's your conclusion
56:53I don't I don't like
56:54>> okay so let me let me rephrase let me
56:56rephrase please please you speak too
56:57much I give you the time to speak I
56:59really respected you on the platform you
57:01just told me when you came to this
57:03country blacks called you coconut
57:04dweller they called me booty scratcher
57:06but if a white kid had called me that I
57:09would describe it as racism. But if a
57:11black kid call me that, you said that
57:14would be what word?
57:16>> I didn't say racism.
57:18>> Oh, no. I said what word?
57:19>> What? What would I call it? Ignorant.
57:20>> Ignorance. Well, with that, you need to
57:23come back to the show and continue this
57:25conversation. So, I would rather use
57:27ignorant for everyone. Ladies and
57:29gentlemen, yaba here.
57:32>> Thank you very much. Hey, don't forget
57:34to subscribe. Hit on the button because
57:35these conversations are important. This
57:38is what we need to have a conversation
57:39like these. Two brothers of different
57:41background, an artist, a liberal
57:43thinker. And we are here hammering on
57:45these things. Not because I'm wrong,
57:47he's right, he's right, I'm wrong. It is
57:49necessary. And I want the young boys out
57:51there to learn this kind of exchange
57:52without violence, without name calling,
57:54>> feel like they need to fight each other.
57:55>> That's correct. I thank you all very
57:57much. This is ZPR Zanu Project Rethink.
57:59I'm Frank Zano. See you again next
58:01episode. Goodbye.
58:08[Music]

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