「嘘つくな、金稼ぎだろ？」YouTube収益停止のしょうやんパパ x ひろゆきのアベプラ回をみて思うこと — Transcript

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1. 0:08San.
2. 0:08>> Yeah.
3. 0:09>> I’d like to ask about family YouTubers.
4. 0:11There’s a group called the “Shia Dansan
5. 0:13Brothers” who are currently a hot topic
6. 0:14and even appeared on ABEMA recently.
7. 0:16Apparently, their monetization request
8. 0:18was rejected after a re-review by
9. 0:19YouTube.
10. 0:20>> There’s a lot of criticism about this,
11. 0:22but what do you honestly think about it
12. 0:24, Bane-san?
13. 0:25>> Hmm.
14. 0:29So, this person is, in other words,
15. 0:31earning money by monetizing videos of
16. 0:33the three brothers’ upbringing, how they
17. 0:36communicate, and their daily lives,
18. 0:38right?
19. 0:42How many subscribers? 620,000
20. 0:44subscribers.
21. 0:47For me, first of all, regarding the
22. 0:49demonetization, my thought is that it’s
23. 0:51simply the rule of YouTube-sama.
24. 0:56And we just have to accept that.
25. 0:58Yeah.
26. 1:03Everyone seems to be nitpicking about
27. 1:05moral perspectives or using children as
28. 1:07a source of income, but in this specific
29. 1:10case, it’s just that YouTube-sama made
30. 1:12that decision.
31. 1:17From now on, YouTube has become that
32. 1:18kind of platform with those rules. So,
33. 1:21you have to follow them.
34. 1:25This is, in a sense, a risk of doing
35. 1:27anything on someone else’s platform.
36. 1:31Yeah.
37. 1:32For example, we were also being harassed
38. 1:34by someone, right?
39. 1:37Yes.
40. 1:38I personally haven’t violated any
41. 1:40copyrights anywhere.
42. 1:42Everything is within the scope of fair
43. 1:44use. Legally speaking, at least.
44. 1:48However, if there is a claim from the
45. 1:50copyright holder, YouTube will issue a
46. 1:52strike, handing a strike to the channel
47. 1:54owner of that video, and there’s nothing
48. 1:56you can do about that rule, right?
49. 2:00Yeah. Even from our perspective, we
50. 2:02think, “Wait a minute, talk to us before
51. 2:05you issue a strike.”
52. 2:07I think that, but we have to follow it
53. 2:09as a YouTube rule.
54. 2:10Yeah.
55. 2:13So, as long as you’re active on that
56. 2:15platform, if YouTube adds a rule like
57. 2:17that, you really have no choice but to
58. 2:19go along with it.
59. 2:22>> So you think the rules are everything,
60. 2:24Bane-san?
61. 2:24>> Rules are everything. At least regarding
62. 2:26this.
63. 2:27>> Yeah.
64. 2:27>> Regarding this recent incident, I think
65. 2:29many people have seen the clips floating
66. 2:31around, but I want to ask about your
67. 2:33thoughts on the content of the videos,
68. 2:34such as the scenes where the father
69. 2:36yells at the child to "get lost," or
70. 2:38drags them toward the car on camera;
71. 2:39there are many such instances. What did
72. 2:41you think about that?
73. 2:42>> For me, yelling things like "get lost,"
74. 2:44that kind of thing itself doesn't really
75. 2:47matter. If I had a child, I'd probably
76. 2:49do the same, especially if it were a boy
77. 2:51; I'd yell. Yeah.
78. 2:53I mean, I yell at people who aren't even
79. 2:56my own kids, so obviously I'm going to
80. 2:58yell at my own child.
81. 3:00Yeah.
82. 3:01So that part, I'm sure it's just how
83. 3:03they communicate and discipline each
84. 3:05other.
85. 3:08But once you broadcast that, naturally
86. 3:10there are tens of thousands of people
87. 3:12watching.
88. 3:13There are people with opinions like mine
89. 3:15. Some might say, "Well, those things
90. 3:17happen," while others might say, "You
91. 3:19shouldn't get angry like that."
92. 3:23So, you are the one who brought yourself
93. 3:25and your family into that arena.
94. 3:30Regarding the children, well, it's not
95. 3:32clear whether they actually want to be
96. 3:33featured or not, so they're either going
97. 3:35along with it, or being made to go along
98. 3:37with it. I don't know the situation, but
99. 3:38what do you think about this?
100. 3:40>> Yeah. I think it doesn't matter either
101. 3:42way. Yes.
102. 3:42>> Yeah.
103. 3:44Everyone, ask yourselves: do your
104. 3:46children actually want to do the things
105. 3:48you make them do?
106. 3:51Yeah.
107. 3:52I was made to do all sorts of things
108. 3:54when I was little.
109. 3:55Cleaning the bath. Washing the dishes.
110. 3:57Sitting down when eating meals. Being
111. 3:59told to come here, like I mentioned
112. 4:01before. Having my grandma show me my
113. 4:03face in the mirror. Being told what kind
114. 4:05of person I was. Yeah. There were so
115. 4:07many things. But you know, I realized it
116. 4:09after I became an adult. It was good for
117. 4:11me. Yeah. I'm grateful for it. Surely,
118. 4:13when parents are raising their children
119. 4:15—this is something my own mom said—
120. 4:21Parents are also experiencing raising a
121. 4:23child for the very first time.
122. 4:26They've never done it before. There’s
123. 4:28nowhere to practice it.
124. 4:30Yeah. Almost every human has only raised
125. 4:32a child once. In other words, you only
126. 4:34have that one experience. You only have
127. 4:37one experience, and the creature you're
128. 4:39raising has its own personality, too.
129. 4:42Even though people in the world come out
130. 4:44and act like, "I've done this once, so
131. 4:46let me tell you all how it's done," I
132. 4:48have my own thoughts on that.
133. 4:52I’ve never raised a child, but when it
134. 4:54comes to raising my own, I absolutely
135. 4:56believe I can find the right answer
136. 4:58better than all those people who have
137. 5:00raised many kids.
138. 5:03>> Yeah.
139. 5:04Baru-san, you brought up examples like
140. 5:06your grandmother teaching you to wash
141. 5:08dishes and clean, which I assume were
142. 5:10about manners, etiquette, and how to get
143. 5:13by in life for your future,
144. 5:16>> but what you're doing is putting it out
145. 5:18there for the general public to see,
146. 5:19which naturally exposes it to a lot of
147. 5:21people.
148. 5:22What do you think about that?
149. 5:24>> Yeah. Of course, people are going to say
150. 5:26all sorts of things about that.
151. 5:29I mean, if there had been YouTube back
152. 5:31in the day when my grandmother was
153. 5:32making me wash dishes, who knows.
154. 5:35Well, my grandmother isn't the type to
155. 5:37post stuff like that, though. But let's
156. 5:39just say it was being streamed. Yeah.
157. 5:41That would still be part of raising a
158. 5:42child, wouldn't it? It’s the same thing
159. 5:44.
160. 5:45The moment you start broadcasting, it’s
161. 5:47exposed to everyone, so there will be
162. 5:49people complaining—well, there will be
163. 5:51all kinds of complaints, especially in a
164. 5:53place like Japan today.
165. 5:58In a world where an education that
166. 6:00avoids "hurting feelings" is seen as the
167. 6:02absolute gold standard, that’s just how
168. 6:04it is.
169. 6:07Yeah. But I’m sorry, I still think a
170. 6:09good smack is sometimes necessary. Yeah
171. 6:11.
172. 6:12Whether to hit or not to hit—sometimes
173. 6:14hitting is for the best, and sometimes
174. 6:16it’s the wrong thing to do.
175. 6:19In fact, sometimes not hitting is the
176. 6:21right thing to do, and sometimes it's
177. 6:23the wrong thing to do.
178. 6:25This is a case-by-case situation; you
179. 6:27really can't know anything until you
180. 6:29look at the details and understand the
181. 6:31full story from start to finish.
182. 6:34I mean, if you put out half-baked
183. 6:36information about your family, you're
184. 6:37going to get criticized by everyone.
185. 6:40Yeah. In a sense, we’re putting out this
186. 6:42video now, and because I’m the one who
187. 6:44put it out, I have to expect people to
188. 6:46say things about it.
189. 6:47Yeah.
190. 6:48I also wanted to ask about the father;
191. 6:50if he wants his re-application approved
192. 6:52—well, I don’t know if public opinion
193. 6:54affects YouTube—but yeah.
194. 6:57>> He really needs to appeal the fact that
195. 6:59he's clean, doesn't he?
196. 7:01But despite that, he's posting
197. 7:03provocative things on X, like saying he
198. 7:05went to eat eel with his kid's money
199. 7:07just to wind people up, or picking
200. 7:09fights with various people.
201. 7:12What did you think about that, Ban-san?
202. 7:14>> Yeah. Well, he's an idiot. Yeah. He's an
203. 7:17idiot, sure, but isn't it fine? They're
204. 7:19his own children, after all. Yeah.
205. 7:24I've said this before, but I honestly
206. 7:26don't understand why people in society
207. 7:29think their words have any authority
208. 7:31over how someone else raises their kids
209. 7:33.
210. 7:37Yeah. Right?
211. 7:38As I've been saying, there are child
212. 7:41actors, child musicians, and child
213. 7:43singers, right? They're involved in
214. 7:45entertainment. Yeah. If those kinds of
215. 7:47people exist and we accept them,
216. 7:52then his family's
217. 7:56lifestyle has to be accepted too, right
218. 7:58? You can complain if you want, but it
219. 8:00won't have any impact at all. None
220. 8:02whatsoever. Yeah.
221. 8:05But the thing that bothered me is, why
222. 8:08did this father appear on "Anma"?
223. 8:11When you think about it.
224. 8:16I think he went on "Anma" to appeal the
225. 8:18fact that he isn't using his kids as a
226. 8:20tool to make money.
227. 8:28That just contradicts what you’re doing
228. 8:29in your X posts, that's what I think.
229. 8:33Yeah.
230. 8:38And you know, I saw that video by Yasuma
231. 8:40Ma, and well, if it doesn’t get
232. 8:42monetized as is, he’s decided to post
233. 8:45videos to that DMM site.
234. 8:52That’s what he’s decided.
235. 8:54By the way, it seems like there are two
236. 8:56patterns; you can watch the relatively
237. 8:58new videos for a good price, and the
238. 9:00past videos under a different plan, or
239. 9:02something like that.
240. 9:06Well, in my opinion, I just can’t
241. 9:08imagine the people who want to watch DMM
242. 9:10would actually subscribe to something
243. 9:12like that.
244. 9:16But, even just being okay with their
245. 9:18child's face and such being on a site
246. 9:20like that, yeah.
247. 9:24The moment they think that way, it’s all
248. 9:26about the money.
249. 9:28Regarding the children. Yeah. It's
250. 9:30money-making, they're using the children
251. 9:32to make money.
252. 9:34Yeah. But don't get me wrong.
253. 9:37I don’t think that parents shouldn’t use
254. 9:39their kids as a tool for making money.
255. 9:42Yeah.
256. 9:43Right? I mean, child actors, what else?
257. 9:47Junior idols, singers, I think there are
258. 9:49many things like that.
259. 9:55I think many children end up becoming
260. 9:57the embodiment of their parents 'image,
261. 9:59so I don’t think that’s necessarily bad
262. 10:01.
263. 10:04Yeah. Well, in a sense, they are just
264. 10:07children born to those kinds of parents
265. 10:09. Yeah. To me, they’re not pitiful or
266. 10:12anything like that.
267. 10:13It’s just, yes, one unit.
268. 10:17A family that exists like that, that’s
269. 10:19all.
270. 10:21So, the reason I find this father the
271. 10:23most repulsive is that he’s using his
272. 10:25child as a tool for profit while acting
273. 10:27all nonchalant.
274. 10:31If he just said, "Yeah, I’m using my kid
275. 10:33as a tool to make money," I could
276. 10:35respect that.
277. 10:37Yeah.
278. 10:38But he probably wants to get YouTube
279. 10:40monetized again, right?
280. 10:43Yeah.
281. 10:45Since he wants to monetize, he needs to
282. 10:48appeal to public opinion by claiming
283. 10:50that he isn't using his child as a tool
284. 10:52for making money.
285. 10:55That’s why I think he showed up.
286. 10:59But in my opinion, if you're doing stuff
287. 11:01like DMM, it would have been better not
288. 11:03to go on Abema in the first place.
289. 11:07Why did he even go on Abema? And he’s
290. 11:10making those kinds of posts on X, right
291. 11:12? So, I mean, honestly, when you look at
292. 11:14the whole picture, this guy is just an
293. 11:17idiot.
294. 11:18Is he an idiot?
295. 11:19>> Yeah.
296. 11:19>> Can I ask a small question? Do you think
297. 11:21the father's desire for approval plays a
298. 11:23part, and what do you think about that?
299. 11:24>> Oh, well, it doesn't really...yeah. I
300. 11:27don’t think parents shouldn’t have a
301. 11:28desire for approval through their
302. 11:29children. There are countless parents
303. 11:31like that out there.
304. 11:33Especially parents who aren't successful
305. 11:36themselves, the ones who force elite
306. 11:38education on their kids from a young age
307. 11:40—when those kids actually become
308. 11:42successful, the credit should really go
309. 11:44to the kids.
310. 11:48But there are tens of thousands of
311. 11:50parents in Japan who take that success
312. 11:52and treat it as their own source of
313. 11:53approval.
314. 11:57>> Yeah.
315. 11:57>> Another thing I'm curious about: what do
316. 11:59you think about the mother's presence,
317. 12:00Bane-san?
318. 12:01>> I'm not really sure about the mother's
319. 12:02presence; does she appear in the videos
320. 12:04?
321. 12:04>> Well, I’ve only seen her in clips, but
322. 12:06when she does appear, she’s kind of just
323. 12:08...there. She doesn't really do anything
324. 12:10, but she doesn't stop him either; she
325. 12:12just seems to be tagging along with
326. 12:13whatever the father is doing. Is that
327. 12:15right?
328. 12:16>> No, isn't that fine? It means they’re
329. 12:18functioning as a unit in a way, right?
330. 12:21The father decides on something, the
331. 12:23mother goes along with it, and then the
332. 12:25children follow suit.
333. 12:27In a sense, I actually think that might
334. 12:29be a healthy family.
335. 12:31>> Yeah.
336. 12:32>> Hiroyuki also mentioned on Abema that
337. 12:34overseas, there are very strict systems
338. 12:36or rules in place against children
339. 12:38earning money, so what’s your take on
340. 12:40the difference between that and Japan?
341. 12:43>> That's true. Yeah. In other countries,
342. 12:45for example, laws regarding things like
343. 12:47children are incredibly strict. Yeah.
344. 12:51Their treatment of minors is even
345. 12:52stricter than it is in Japan.
346. 12:58But it's interesting that when it comes
347. 13:00to adults, they're much more lenient
348. 13:01than Japan, so honestly, I don't think
349. 13:03you can say one is better than the other
350. 13:05.
351. 13:08Yeah.
352. 13:09Japan is strict even when it comes to
353. 13:11adults.
354. 13:12Yes. Yeah. So, I don't really think you
355. 13:15can say that things are "done properly"
356. 13:17overseas. And I don't think that Japan
357. 13:19isn't doing things properly either. Yeah
358. 13:21.
359. 13:22Japan has its way of doing things, and
360. 13:24overseas, they have theirs.
361. 13:26Yeah.
362. 13:29And overseas, when it comes to minors,
363. 13:32the punishments, or, how should I put it
364. 13:34...Well, the penalties, I guess.
365. 13:40The restrictions are definitely at a
366. 13:41very high level.
367. 13:43>> Yeah.
368. 13:44>> I also want to ask, Valen-san, what do
369. 13:46you think about children's YouTube
370. 13:48channels in general? You know, parenting
371. 13:51YouTube, growth records, and such.
372. 13:53>> Yeah.
373. 13:54What do you think?
374. 14:02Simply put, I'm not interested, because
375. 14:04watching a record of your child growing
376. 14:06up isn't going to be a strategy guide
377. 14:08for me to raise my own child.
378. 14:17Yeah.
379. 14:18And you're likely putting out videos
380. 14:20that are edited, right?
381. 14:23That means you're just showing us what
382. 14:25you want us to see.
383. 14:27Yeah.
384. 14:30In that case, I don't see any value in
385. 14:32it at all.
386. 14:35Yeah.
387. 14:36So, since it's a genre I'm not
388. 14:38interested in anyway, I guess it's fine
389. 14:40.
390. 14:43But surely there are moms and dads
391. 14:45facing similar problems who might wonder
392. 14:47, "How can I solve this?"
393. 14:52and look to those videos, I don't know.
394. 14:55I don't personally think they
395. 14:57necessarily serve as a strategy guide.
396. 14:59I don't think so, but since there are
397. 15:01many people in Japan who find peace of
398. 15:03mind thinking they are a strategy guide
399. 15:06, I guess it's fine. I don’t think many
400. 15:08people are enjoying these as a strategy
401. 15:10, but I’ve been watching a lot of kids'
402. 15:12YouTube videos lately, and looking at
403. 15:13the comments, most people are just
404. 15:15watching them grow or saying things like
405. 15:17"how cute," just sort of observing them
406. 15:18.
407. 15:19>> Yeah. Yeah.
408. 15:20>> It feels like a lot of people enjoy them
409. 15:22just by praising them, you know?
410. 15:24>> Is that why you enjoy it?
411. 15:26>> Well, it’s just so Japanese, isn’t it?
412. 15:29That’s just pushing others. Right? Yeah
413. 15:31. It does absolutely nothing for
414. 15:33yourself. Huh. Right? Yeah. You know.
415. 15:36There’s this stupid culture of
416. 15:38obsessively supporting others, right?
417. 15:40And everyone does it without a second
418. 15:42thought. While paying for it, too.
419. 15:45"What about your own life?" I think. I
420. 15:47think that, but I guess that’s what they
421. 15:49like. Japanese people, that is. There
422. 15:51are a lot of people like that, right?
423. 15:53Yeah. If that’s the case, then I guess
424. 15:55that’s fine. Yeah.
425. 15:58For me, well, in my own videos too, I
426. 16:00think everything is a learning
427. 16:02opportunity.
428. 16:05Yeah.
429. 16:07So when I’m making my videos, it’s fine
430. 16:09.
431. 16:10I don’t think I’m always saying the "
432. 16:12right" thing, and in fact, I think I’m
433. 16:14often wrong.
434. 16:15But I want to show that Valentine
435. 16:17Hosokawa thinks like this, and this, and
436. 16:20this, and this, and this. Yeah.
437. 16:23And what do you think?
438. 16:25Yeah.
439. 16:28I want to make videos that prompt you to
440. 16:29think for yourself.
441. 16:33Yeah.
442. 16:36Because ultimately, I think it’s a total
443. 16:38waste of time if you watch a video and
444. 16:40it doesn’t become something personal,
445. 16:41something that makes you think for
446. 16:43yourself and helps you live your own
447. 16:44life happily.
448. 16:48Yeah. So just looking at something and
449. 16:50saying "Oh, how cute.""Ah, yeah.""
450. 16:52That's right."
451. 16:54If that’s all there is to it, I think
452. 16:56it’s meaningless, but since there are
453. 16:58fools who say that’s fun, well, I guess
454. 17:00that’s just how it is.
455. 17:02I wanted to ask Bane-san if child
456. 17:04YouTubers are doomed from the start.
457. 17:06Structurally, even if you film them when
458. 17:08they're cute, they'll inevitably grow up
459. 17:10. They'll hit puberty, have their own
460. 17:12thoughts, and face school troubles. I've
461. 17:15never seen that actually lead into
462. 17:16adulthood. It feels like this structure
463. 17:18is doomed to hit a wall at some point.
464. 17:20>> But, if you say that, there are people
465. 17:22who have done it, right?
466. 17:23>> Yes.
467. 17:25So, really, the way to not be doomed—
468. 17:28the way to avoid that—is to provide
469. 17:30content that isn't doomed.
470. 17:35Kipi, do you know why I don't film
471. 17:37videos about dark topics or sparring
472. 17:39after retiring from boxing?
473. 17:43It's because I know those are dead ends
474. 17:45. Honestly, I could probably still do a
475. 17:48little bit of that stuff. In fact, when
476. 17:50I first started YouTube, I was doing
477. 17:51that kind of stuff all the time. Yeah.
478. 17:54But I thought about it, for myself.
479. 17:56Wait a minute.
480. 17:57How long is this going to last? Yeah. I
481. 18:00can't do this forever, right? Yeah.
482. 18:05I think the reason I'm still at the
483. 18:06forefront of the fighting-genre YouTube
484. 18:08scene is because I'm competing with
485. 18:10things that aren't dead ends.
486. 18:14That’s why I value that so much.
487. 18:16And, well, the fact that Yudabon is
488. 18:18still doing it to some extent means that
489. 18:20, well, he’s basically just sharing his
490. 18:23way of thinking. Of course, he’s been
491. 18:25criticized for that way of thinking the
492. 18:27whole time. He even went on that study
493. 18:29trip, right? But that ended pretty
494. 18:31quickly, didn't it?
495. 18:33Saying you'll keep doing trips like that
496. 18:35forever.
497. 18:37Things that require that much physical
498. 18:39stamina and labor are, in a sense,
499. 18:41doomed from the start.
500. 18:43Yeah. You can only do them for a little
501. 18:45while.
502. 18:46That's why, when I do something—I told
503. 18:48Kipi this before—rather than how amazing
504. 18:51I can be, I start by considering how
505. 18:53long I can keep it up.
506. 18:56That's why I said you should do things
507. 18:58you love and can do every day; I think
508. 19:00that's what it comes down to.
509. 19:03>> This mindset can be applied not only to
510. 19:05YouTube, but to your own business and
511. 19:07life as well.
512. 19:08>> I do this for everything.
513. 19:10I don't do things that I can only do
514. 19:12right now.
515. 19:13For instance, I run lodging facilities,
516. 19:16right? Nowadays, foreigners are coming
517. 19:18to Japan, and well, it's a booming
518. 19:21industry.
519. 19:22It's a trending industry right now.
520. 19:25But, I don't think this trend will last
521. 19:27forever.
522. 19:28Yeah.
523. 19:30So, what I'm doing now is renting
524. 19:32properties, turning them into inns, and
525. 19:34housing foreigners legally.
526. 19:38But I'm generating a lot of cash flow
527. 19:40from that, and what I'm actually doing
528. 19:42is planning to eventually buy real
529. 19:44estate.
530. 19:46Yeah. You get it? I'll buy a bigger
531. 19:48building.
532. 19:49I'll turn a bigger building into an inn
533. 19:51at first.
534. 19:53When I make it an inn, well, it's fine.
535. 19:56Because it was a trending industry, you
536. 19:58see. But an end will come someday, right
537. 20:00? What do I do when the end comes?
538. 20:03I can just rent it out.
539. 20:05That means it becomes my own asset,
540. 20:07right?
541. 20:08That's why I think every business needs
542. 20:10to be thought of in the long term.
543. 20:13>> In a sense, while you're riding a
544. 20:15trending wave, you should take what
545. 20:17you've earned and move it as quickly as
546. 20:19possible before it ends.
547. 20:20>> Exactly. In other words, high risk.
548. 20:24I think the golden rule is to shift from
549. 20:26something that is high risk but
550. 20:28profitable to something that is low risk
551. 20:30.
552. 20:31>> A mistake I think I might also make is
553. 20:33thinking I'm just riding the wave.
554. 20:35Because it keeps trending within that
555. 20:37trend, you might think, "Oh, I'll go all
556. 20:39in here," and then it suddenly stops.
557. 20:40For example, with martial arts right now
558. 20:42,
559. 20:42>> there are those "tough guy" or "staged
560. 20:44fight" videos that YouTube probably
561. 20:46banned, and I think there are cases
562. 20:48where everyone suddenly couldn't do them
563. 20:50anymore. For things like that, you
564. 20:52should use the time while it's trending
565. 20:53to gather numbers through those fights,
566. 20:55and then channel that audience to your
567. 20:56own talk-style videos, for instance.
568. 20:58>> Yeah, that's exactly it. Right. Just
569. 21:00think about it. So, idiots will just go
570. 21:03"Boom, it's trending!" And they get
571. 21:05money. I'm also making a lot of money
572. 21:07right now, right?
573. 21:10Have you ever seen me wearing any weird
574. 21:12luxury goods?
575. 21:14I mean, really, this kind of thing just
576. 21:16comes down to one's upbringing and
577. 21:18education.
578. 21:20All of this shows up in places like that
579. 21:22.
580. 21:24The reason I'm telling you all this now
581. 21:26is that I've always wanted to encourage
582. 21:28you to think about how you would handle
583. 21:30your own situation based on these points
584. 21:31.
585. 21:36That's why, even though my video
586. 21:38thumbnails say I'll be talking about the
587. 21:40news, if you actually listen to the
588. 21:42content until the end, it’s really just
589. 21:44my philosophy on how I, Valentine
590. 21:45Hosokawa, think about it.
591. 21:49Yeah.
592. 21:50I believe I can keep doing this forever
593. 21:52, even when I’m 90, as long as I can
594. 21:54still move my mouth, which is why I do
595. 21:56it.
596. 21:57>> Kipi-san.
597. 21:57>> Yes?
598. 21:58>> Are you drinking safe water?
599. 21:59>> You mean Emineras? Of course I am.
600. 22:01>> I told you, didn't I? It won the
601. 22:03Superior Taste Award for being super
602. 22:05delicious.
603. 22:07And by winning that three years in a row
604. 22:09, it was upgraded to the Crystal Taste
605. 22:10Award.
606. 22:11>> Whoa, that’s amazing.
607. 22:13>> Isn't that crazy? Emineras.
608. 22:21Emineras has also been certified by the
609. 22:23Omotenashi Selection.
610. 22:28>> Huh?
611. 22:29What’s that?
612. 22:30>> This right here.
613. 22:32It means the water has been recognized
614. 22:34as being full of the unique charm of
615. 22:36Japan that we want to share with the
616. 22:38world.
617. 22:39So, in other words, Emineras is "
618. 22:42Omotenashi water."
619. 22:44Huh?
620. 22:45What is that?
621. 22:47>> Omotenashi water.
622. 22:49>> The big one is out now, too.
623. 22:57>> YouTube has stated that this is
624. 22:58considered content that promotes drawing
625. 23:00attention to minors against their will;
626. 23:02what do you think about that?
627. 23:05>> Yeah.
628. 23:08The reason I decided on my own YouTube
629. 23:10rules is because this interpretation of
630. 23:12"against their will" is entirely
631. 23:13YouTube's own interpretation.
632. 23:17Yeah.
633. 23:18I mean, I've seen that video.
634. 23:20It’s true that there are times when
635. 23:22those three kids are being scolded or
636. 23:23reprimanded. Yeah. There are times they
637. 23:26don't like it, but there are also times
638. 23:27when they’re having fun.
639. 23:30So, ultimately, with over 600,000
640. 23:32subscribers on YouTube, they were
641. 23:34definitely earning a lot more revenue
642. 23:36than if they were working normal jobs,
643. 23:38right?
644. 23:41And since they share the same life, all
645. 23:43three children were naturally benefiting
646. 23:45from that income.
647. 23:47In short, yeah, they were all receiving
648. 23:49those benefits. All three of the
649. 23:51children, that is.
650. 23:55Which means if YouTube were to
651. 23:56demonetize their channel, they probably
652. 23:58wouldn't get the toys they used to get,
653. 24:00might have to stop their extracurricular
654. 24:01activities, and maybe couldn't eat the
655. 24:03same food anymore.
656. 24:09Since they can no longer monetize the
657. 24:11things they enjoy to that extent, the
658. 24:12children will be directly affected by
659. 24:14that.
660. 24:16Yeah. Thinking about that, I also feel
661. 24:19like the kids are actually filming it
662. 24:21quite happily.
663. 24:24Because, you know, it happens a lot,
664. 24:26like take Tenshin Nasukawa—his father
665. 24:28held the mitts and made him practice
666. 24:30martial arts, and he always says it.
667. 24:33Oh, that he wanted to quit many times.
668. 24:35Yeah. When he was little.
669. 24:38But as he kept going, he realized, "Oh,
670. 24:40this is what I'm meant to do."
671. 24:42Yeah.
672. 24:44It’s a case where he grew to love that
673. 24:45way of life and just kept going with it
674. 24:47. Yeah. The Kameda family is the same
675. 24:49way, right? I think children are heavily
676. 24:51influenced by their parents.
677. 24:53Yeah.
678. 24:56So, honestly, people talk about the "
679. 24:58child's will," but it’s more like the
680. 25:00parents are the ones who shape that will
681. 25:02in the first place.
682. 25:11In a sense, since these three brothers
683. 25:13were born to parents who film their
684. 25:15lives and share them with the world, I
685. 25:17believe that doing so will eventually
686. 25:18become their own will as well.
687. 25:26I want to ask about the difference in
688. 25:28what they’re doing; I think Tenshin's
689. 25:29father gave him an education to make him
690. 25:31strong. But I think Shiya-san is doing
691. 25:33content creation.
692. 25:35Yeah.
693. 25:36>> Val-san, what do you think about the
694. 25:37difference there?
695. 25:38>> Oh, sorry, sorry. Well, the education of
696. 25:41making him stronger was done so that
697. 25:42Tenshin could share it with the world in
698. 25:44the future.
699. 25:45>> That's something Tenshin handles as his
700. 25:47own responsibility since he's the one
701. 25:48sharing it, but the fact is that you are
702. 25:50using your children to share content,
703. 25:52and the children themselves might not
704. 25:54necessarily want to share anything.
705. 25:57Well, you say they want to do it, but
706. 25:58you don't actually know that for sure,
707. 26:00right?
708. 26:02Ah.
709. 26:06If you don't know that, then those who
710. 26:09hold such opinions must also 100%reject
711. 26:11child actors or children being idols or
712. 26:13singing in society, right?
713. 26:19>> It would come to that, wouldn't it?
714. 26:20That's right.
715. 26:21>> Exactly. See, this, this, this is really
716. 26:24me, me, me, I mean—
717. 26:28>> When a problem suddenly pops up, I
718. 26:30wonder if people can't think about
719. 26:33similar cases or, in short, detach
720. 26:35themselves from it once, like I said
721. 26:37before.
722. 26:41Detach yourself and think about it from
723. 26:43a third-party perspective.
724. 26:46>> Yeah. People really can't do this. Right
725. 26:49.
726. 26:51When they get annoyed, they jump right
727. 26:53in and start whining, and then such
728. 26:55people have the nerve to tell me I'm
729. 26:56being emotional, which really surprises
730. 26:59me.
731. 27:04Honestly, what the owner of this channel
732. 27:06is doing versus child actors or, what
733. 27:09was it, junior idols—well, junior idols
734. 27:11are a thing now too, and people
735. 27:13generally accept that.
736. 27:18Yeah.
737. 27:20So, I'm asking everyone, why aren't you
738. 27:23complaining about that?
739. 27:25If you don't shut that down too, it's
740. 27:27not consistent. At least, that's what I
741. 27:29think. Child actors go out there,
742. 27:31express things themselves, and do things
743. 27:33themselves.
744. 27:37In the case of this channel, the parents
745. 27:39are helping in a sense, so the children
746. 27:41just have to be there.
747. 27:44Right. Yeah.
748. 27:47Yeah, when you think about it that way,
749. 27:49I can't help but feel that child actors
750. 27:51, junior idols, and child singers are
751. 27:53the ones who are actually forcing kids
752. 27:56to work against their will and
753. 27:57exploiting their labor.
754. 28:00I honestly don't think I can escape this
755. 28:02point, but I understand why you'd say
756. 28:04it's no different from child actors,
757. 28:05Valen-san, but I do think there's a
758. 28:07difference.
759. 28:07>> What I mean is...
760. 28:10>> With child actors, I feel like they're
761. 28:12in a business where adults use them to
762. 28:14generate money within a set of
763. 28:15established rules, but in this case,
764. 28:17even if YouTube has its own rules, you
765. 28:19don't know what the person, the parent,
766. 28:21is actually doing while they post
767. 28:23whatever they want, so there's this
768. 28:25anxiety about whether it's okay.
769. 28:27>> What do you mean by "adult rules"? Isn't
770. 28:30YouTube run by adult rules? YouTube is
771. 28:32absolutely run by adult rules.
772. 28:34>> YouTube is run by adult rules, but, for
773. 28:36example, if a child acts in a drama, you
774. 28:39know they're working under rules
775. 28:40established by adults, so there's a
776. 28:42sense of security there, I think. Even
777. 28:45from the outside looking in.
778. 28:46>> Yeah. So, you're saying that when
779. 28:48parents use their own children, you
780. 28:50can't feel at ease?
781. 28:52You mean if your child is in a group of
782. 28:54other adults, that feels secure, but if
783. 28:57you're using your child under your own
784. 28:59rules, that's untrustworthy?
785. 29:02>> That's just speculation, but because
786. 29:04there are scenes in the videos that come
787. 29:06close to yelling, I think that anxiety
788. 29:08turns into a question of whether this
789. 29:10person is okay.
790. 29:11>> Yeah. Well, yeah.
791. 29:16So, in that case, does that mean if
792. 29:18there were even a single scene where a
793. 29:20child was being yelled at or scolded in
794. 29:22the world of adults, then that's
795. 29:23considered unacceptable?
796. 29:27>> Yeah.
797. 29:28>> That's why, you see, there's no escaping
798. 29:31this. I get it. Yeah. Everyone gets it.
799. 29:34Yes.
800. 29:35Maybe it's that everyone just hates the
801. 29:37idea of someone using their child to
802. 29:39make money and line their own pockets.
803. 29:41Yes. But let's be clear about why you
804. 29:43feel that way—let's say it out loud.
805. 29:45That’s because you can’t do it yourself
806. 29:47.
807. 29:48Wait, is that okay? Yeah.
808. 29:52I think it’s just a feeling that you
809. 29:53can’t accept him doing those things
810. 29:55because you can't do them.
811. 29:58I mean, we just have to leave it at that
812. 30:00.
813. 30:02Because there are so many things like
814. 30:03that in the world.
815. 30:07Among all those things, you aren't
816. 30:09complaining about them, are you?
817. 30:16If you're going to say that, then even
818. 30:17if they aren't using them to make money
819. 30:19, you'd have to complain about parents
820. 30:21forcing their kids to take boxing
821. 30:22lessons when they don't want to, or
822. 30:24making them do things they don't want to
823. 30:26do.
824. 30:30It goes against their will. I mean,
825. 30:32there’s a lot of that.
826. 30:34No matter what you say, it's pointless.
827. 30:36Yeah. I get it.
828. 30:38Sort of.
829. 30:40That’s why I just left it at that.
830. 30:43Actually, if you asked me if I like
831. 30:45people who do that, I'd say I don't.
832. 30:49But when I wondered what this feeling
833. 30:51really was, yeah.
834. 30:54Well, I’ve said this before, but if I
835. 30:56had kids, or even if I had a wife, I’d
836. 30:58never put them out there.
837. 31:02The reason is, I know the risks involved
838. 31:04. Yeah.
839. 31:05I won’t do it. Yeah.
840. 31:11But I also know that if you do, it gets
841. 31:13people's attention, creates buzz, and
842. 31:15earns money.
843. 31:21I’m just saying I won’t do it, and I
844. 31:23feel like if people want to do it, they
845. 31:25should, but yet, I still dislike those
846. 31:26people.
847. 31:28And I think the reason I dislike them is
848. 31:30because I don’t do it.
849. 31:31I think it’s because I can’t.
850. 31:35I have my own principles, so in the end
851. 31:36, everyone is just annoyed because
852. 31:38others are doing what they themselves
853. 31:40aren't doing.
854. 31:42>> Is this similar to the late-night snack
855. 31:44talk? That
856. 31:44>> Yeah. I think it's close to the
857. 31:46late-night snack talk too. I think
858. 31:47that’s why people think it’s unfair.
859. 31:48>> Ah,
860. 31:49>> I get it. Exactly. That’s probably why I
861. 31:51think it’s unfair when I see people
862. 31:53doing that, too.
863. 31:54>> Exactly. I do think it's unfair, but
864. 31:56then again,
865. 31:59when I look at myself from a third-party
866. 32:01perspective, I think it's more wrong to
867. 32:03say they have to stop just because I
868. 32:04think it's unfair.
869. 32:07So, I do have those negative feelings, I
870. 32:09really do.
871. 32:12I have them, but the final landing point
872. 32:14here is that if YouTube changed their
873. 32:16rules, then it's not "no."
874. 32:21If they say it's okay, then I've come to
875. 32:23think that if we don't accept that it's
876. 32:25okay, then something is wrong.
877. 32:27>> You just used the word "wrong," but what
878. 32:29exactly is wrong here?
879. 32:33>> By "wrong," I mean that just because I
880. 32:35think it's unfair......it doesn't mean
881. 32:37the other party should have to stop
882. 32:39doing it or be subject to interference
883. 32:40for their actions.
884. 32:45That’s what’s wrong.
885. 32:46Yeah. It's fine. To have those feelings
886. 32:49of unfairness. Yeah. I still think it's
887. 32:51unfair even now. It’s just gross seeing
888. 32:53people who use those kinds of tactics.
889. 32:55Yeah.
890. 32:56That’s fine, but it’s the same as this:
891. 32:58Regarding cabaret hostesses, I think
892. 33:00they’ve thrown away their dignity and
893. 33:02are earning money in a crafty way.
894. 33:04That’s why they can make a lot of money
895. 33:06.
896. 33:07So, I don't want them to be lumped in
897. 33:09with us.
898. 33:11That’s why it pisses me off when people
899. 33:13who have engaged in "effort laundering"
900. 33:15or "dignity laundering" to make a
901. 33:16fortune go out into the world and talk
902. 33:18big.
903. 33:22I often say things like, "Those people,
904. 33:24they..." I say that, but I'm not saying
905. 33:26they shouldn't take those actions; what
906. 33:28I'm saying is that if they do take those
907. 33:30actions, well, of course they're going
908. 33:32to get called out for it.
909. 33:36Yeah. And I personally don't want them
910. 33:38to do it.
911. 33:39But I'm not actually stopping them from
912. 33:41taking those actions, am I?
913. 33:43Is it because if freedom of expression
914. 33:45and freedom of choice are taken away, it
915. 33:47could eventually come back to affect you
916. 33:49, making it dangerous?
917. 33:50>> Exactly, that's what it is. Yeah.
918. 33:52>> Ah, so that’s the logic.
919. 33:54Even those people, calling BreakingDown
920. 33:56trash or whatever, I say a lot of things
921. 33:58about them, but it's their freedom to
922. 34:00post what they want.
923. 34:04On the other hand, it’s fine for me to
924. 34:05say what I think about that in return.
925. 34:10But my feeling is that you shouldn't
926. 34:11directly interfere so that they can't do
927. 34:13it at all.
928. 34:18So, saying that it's justice for YouTube
929. 34:20to demonetize them just because they're
930. 34:22doing that—that ends up being direct
931. 34:24interference against them, right?
932. 34:29So that’s not okay, but it’s still
933. 34:31pretty gross, isn't it?
934. 34:34As for finding it gross or saying so, I
935. 34:36think that’s totally fine.
936. 34:38Yeah. Hello to all the positive people
937. 34:40out there. I've started a membership
938. 34:42program.
939. 34:44There are three levels: Yellow Belt,
940. 34:46Blue Belt, and Red Belt, and you get
941. 34:48perks like Baren stamps, which you can
942. 34:50use during live streams and such.
943. 34:54I’ll be prioritizing replies to your
944. 34:56comments. And there's one more thing: an
945. 34:58app called Discord.
946. 35:00This Discord app is like a message board
947. 35:02where everyone can chat together.
948. 35:05>> Things that are hard to ask in a public
949. 35:07setting can be asked directly to
950. 35:08Baren-san and everyone.
951. 35:09>> That's right.
952. 35:11Sometimes I’ll even throw questions out
953. 35:12to you all.
954. 35:15At the Blue Belt level, I’ll
955. 35:16occasionally host voice chats, where I
956. 35:18can connect with everyone like a phone
957. 35:20call and hold a sort of meeting.
958. 35:23Member-only live streams are held twice
959. 35:25a month, and finally, the Red Belt level
960. 35:28gets you all the perks.
961. 35:29On top of that, I’m thinking of holding
962. 35:31offline meetups. I love "nomunication"(
963. 35:34socializing over drinks), so I plan to
964. 35:36keep adding various perks and really get
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966. 35:40support.
967. 36:05To
968. 36:26everyone.