You've Never Seen David Icke Like This Before — Transcript

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1. 0:00And you build your own unique way of seeing the  world on the understanding the crucial crucial
2. 0:08level which is I am all that is has been and ever  can be. I am not human. That's my experience.
3. 0:22That is the biological computer system that  my consciousness is entrapped by if I allow
4. 0:30it to be. And I can, with my consciousness,  override that program, that biological program.
5. 0:43When you're awakening to all possibility, it's  a forever constant awakening to all possibility
6. 0:51and exploring all possibility.  Unless you keep breaking through these
7. 0:57walls like Socrates said, to know is to know  you know nothing. That is the true knowledge.
8. 1:02uh you keep breaking through these walls into  more and more expansive awareness to
9. 1:09the point where you realize no one is  ever awake. We're always awakening.
10. 1:22Hey, inspired tribe my fellow freedom lovers.  Jean Nolan here. Thank you so much for tuning in
11. 1:27to another inspired conversation. And I almost  wish you could have been here with me for the
12. 1:32past 30 minutes. Uh as David Icke, my guest today  and I were chatting. A beautiful conversation,
13. 1:38but we're going to bring a lot of that into our  show today. It's going to be a little different.
14. 1:43Uh we're going to talk about the past. We're  going to talk about 1991 when David wrote a
15. 1:49book. Uh the essence of which I think is playing  out right now in all its complexity, wildness,
16. 1:56madness, and beauty. all of the above. And we're  going to talk about this phenomenon that um we
17. 2:03call the awakening. How it plays out in our world  today inside of us? How it's affecting people in
18. 2:10expected and oftentimes very unexpected ways? And  also, what are the traps? What are the pitfalls?
19. 2:17What do we think is awakening but might actually  just be another distraction? and where do we sell
20. 2:24ourselves short and realize we've already come  much farther than we thought before. So, please
21. 2:29welcome with me the one and only David Icke. It's  wonderful to have you back, sir. Thanks, mate.
22. 2:35You're looking well. So, so are you. So are you.  And And you're telling me uh just a few weeks ago,
23. 2:40people don't not everybody knows this about you,  but you love trains. And you told me about Steam
24. 2:45trains. Steam trains. Steam trains. Yeah. You told  you told me about an event you went to and I sort
25. 2:50of want you know I didn't know we were going to  start there but you had a beautiful observation
26. 2:55at this 1960 steam train event. Something  beautiful happened there, didn't it? Well,
27. 3:01I think um what the event was was a 1960s day at a  steam uh heritage railway. And I looked at it
28. 3:13uh and I thought 1960s music and steam trains,  you got me. [laughter] And um so I went along and
29. 3:25it was quite a like a a relatively small uh Welsh  town where it took place. beautiful uh area and um
30. 3:36the number of people from all walks of life, not  just at the event but in the street in general who
31. 3:45came up to me and and said, "Hey, um I've been uh  reading your books. I've been following your stuff
32. 3:52for years. Uh keep going. Keep going." Um was  just kind of pinch me. It can't be true. It
33. 4:02was happening so often and it it it is happening  all the time uh now. And uh so you you kind of
34. 4:12need that a little bit to um to let you know just  how far after 36 years this information has now
35. 4:23got out there because um you know you've got um a  people younger people now who come onto the social
36. 4:32media etc and they don't realize your background.  they don't realize how long you've been doing it.
37. 4:39Um but but uh this this was a real kind of um just  what I needed really to to give me uh confirmation
38. 4:50of just just how far it's got out there, not just  in Britain, but worldwide. And I I've been um kind
39. 4:58of going through a a a changing phase recently  which kind of fits in with that in the sense of
40. 5:08uh I'm not having my attention focused on this  information all the time. Uh now uh in the in
41. 5:21the sense of chasing deadlines. Got to got to  got to got to got to because it's out there. It
42. 5:29It's circulating. People who are are ready for  it will will will hear it. People who are not,
43. 5:37they they won't. Uh and so I've given myself uh  a lot more ponder time in the last like month,
44. 5:48a lot more daydreaming time. I mean, I spend  most of my time daydreaming anyway. is with my
45. 5:54natural state. But I mean even more so and also  instead of just focusing on the information,
46. 6:04focusing on things that um are apparently nothing  to do with the information, but they take your if
47. 6:11you like your conscious mind away to focus on them  and um let other levels of you in where that focus
48. 6:22shuts them out because you're so focused. Got to  got to got to and for the first time in me life,
49. 6:28I've become a bit of a gardener in the last month.  That's wonderful. Yeah, I've got me plants and
50. 6:35I've always wanted a garden full of color and I  I thought s it. I'm going to do it this time. So,
51. 6:42I filled me garden with color and uh uh I I I  love it. and and and one of the things I do and
52. 6:49I'm watering the plants which I I I do regularly  especially at the moment with so little rain and
53. 6:56um it gives you this this this ponder time where  your mind just just just wonders and it's amazing
54. 7:05uh what comes in you know what I've found  in the last like month and or few weeks more
55. 7:13um is an tremendous sudden clarity where I'  what I've always sought to do from the start
56. 7:24is to is to take complexity or what appears to  be complexity and simplify the explanation of
57. 7:34it because so much of what we call science a lot  of it is what we call science um is given over by
58. 7:46people to experts like scientists and academics  and all these people because well I don't really
59. 7:55understand it that they do they're experts and so  you have all these bloody equations on blackboards
60. 8:03or this is reality it's this equation and it's oh  god so what I've been trying to do is is take this
61. 8:11complexity and see that actually the complexity  is a smoke screen for stunning simplicity. Uh so
62. 8:24I've done that you know all the way through  the years and sought to do that. Uh but
63. 8:29um in the last like month, five, six weeks, um  the the the ability to um take the complex and to
64. 8:41put it in simple languages like simple language  like two sentences has suddenly just exploded
65. 8:49uh beyond anything like it was before. So you  know I I see something that posted that that
66. 8:56seems to be really complex and you can explain  it in a sentence two sentences because you are
67. 9:04um allowing in what's already sitting there um but  focus of attention um shuts it out. And you know,
68. 9:15I think one of the big ways that humanity is  controlled and um kind of walled off from its
69. 9:28uh true and infinite uh potential to understand  is by constantly giving people reasons to focus
70. 9:39their attention. Okay. So focus your attention  here. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
71. 9:45Got it. Got it. Got it. All this is gone now.  Whoa. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like survival.
72. 9:50Survival is a wonderful focuser of attention. You  got to survive another day in different parts of
73. 9:58the world in all their different uh ways. You got  to survive another day. You got to survive. Oh,
74. 10:04I've got to I've got to earn some money, pay the  rent at the end of the month, and all this stuff.
75. 10:09this focus of attention particularly on survival  in its various forms and all this is shut out. And
76. 10:16when you go like that and you become the observer  much more the observer um instead of the focuser
77. 10:28then so much suddenly [snorts] becomes uh clear  to you or clearer to you than it was before.
78. 10:39That's I just shared with you earlier that's been  my experience over the last 12 months. We bought
79. 10:43this small farm out here in the country and the  chickens, the geese, the goats, you can just sit
80. 10:49there and observe them and it's literally this the  same experience you shared. U there is such beauty
81. 10:55and simplicity and your mind your mind all the  chatter goes away. you're just here, you're now,
82. 11:00and and things are sort of coming in. And you  know, as you said that over the years, that's been
83. 11:07your intention to simplify the seemingly complex.  I feel like I went back to your 1991 um book,
84. 11:14The Truth Vibrations, which was the first book  after what you called your spiritual awakening,
85. 11:19your your big sort of aha moment. And the core  message was incredibly simple, but I don't think
86. 11:27it was understandable for most people back then,  which is a [clears throat] time is coming where
87. 11:33the vibration is going to change and it's going  to uh help people to wake up from their slumber,
88. 11:38from their coma. And and obviously that sounds  like a wonderful thing, but it's 2026 and things
89. 11:45are really wild and this awakening comes with so  many different experiences and symptoms. Did you
90. 11:52in that simplicity of of putting it out there,  could you foresee the times that we're in now,
91. 11:58could you see this moment in all its wildness and  complexity, or was it more a spiritual awareness?
92. 12:05People who've come to this more recently,  uh, will understandably, I'm with them, say,
93. 12:17um, the awakening has got to be faster, faster,  faster. There's not enough people waking up and
94. 12:23I'm with you. But I come from the perspective  of 1990 91 92 93 94 95 on and on and on.
95. 12:37um when I was being um ridiculed in the street  wherever I went and uh dismissed on in in all
96. 12:48these different ways on what I was saying.  Every time I introduced um something new,
97. 12:54it's like, "Oh, he's got even madder now."  Uh and the other the other part of that,
98. 12:59funny enough, is you say things load of rubbish.  You're mad. they happen. Oh, well, you know,
99. 13:08I got to give him that. I mean, he was right about  this. And then you say something else and they go,
100. 13:14"Oh, no. Too far now. He's gone too far now." And  then then that comes right and then the sequence
101. 13:20continues, right? Um, and so I remember in uh when  I started out in 1990 that uh there wasn't no one.
102. 13:33It wasn't no one, but it seemed like no one uh  was getting this information at all. And now you
103. 13:45look today and you see the uh the fantastic way  that so many people have awakened to concepts
104. 14:01they would have laughed at before and you realize  that while yeah oh people aren't waking up quickly
105. 14:12enough. No. Okay. But I can tell you from  my own experience compared with 1990, it's
106. 14:20absolutely fantastic what's happening in terms  of uh people awakening. And I think also, mate,
107. 14:30that we've got to um disconnect our perception  of awakening from the internet and social media.
108. 14:42Because if you do that, I mean there are some very  intelligent uh people who comment on social media,
109. 14:51but there are um let's say let's say there  are enormous numbers of people who aren't. And
110. 15:01um you can tend to um look at comments and  opinions on social media and you can think well
111. 15:11we're getting nowhere here. But then people stop  you in the street. They do all the time now and
112. 15:21uh you have a conversation with them. You're  like standing out of outside of a supermarket
113. 15:29and a bloke comes up with to you in his with his  shopping bag and you start having a conversation
114. 15:37about uh you know I I've been following your stuff  and and and all that stuff and suddenly you're in
115. 15:44a deep deep conversation about the nature of  reality uh with a very intelligent bloke and
116. 15:54Then on this occasion, another guy comes up with  his shopping bag and he gets involved and we um
117. 16:01we're having this conversation about reality. And  that's been my uh experience is that when people
118. 16:13uh meet you eye to eye in the street uh who who  who who don't you know post on social media and
119. 16:22all this stuff, you're seeing a a a tremendous  difference between the levels of awakeness of
120. 16:35uh members of the population against often  extremes of asleepness on social media and uh
121. 16:49so that gives you in encouragement that um we are  making progress. But you know, you when when you
122. 17:00look at the the forces at work uh from the shadows  through those in the public eye um to manipulate
123. 17:13humanity and shutters down, not least AI, human  fusion. That's what that's all about. um you you
124. 17:21you know that they're not just going to leave this  awakening alone because to awaken to your plight,
125. 17:32to awaken to your power, true power, is to  bring the house of cards they've built down. So,
126. 17:42they're not going to leave it. And I've um seen  uh especially since co how people have come out
127. 17:54of the mainstream into the so-called alternative  algorithms bloody love them and um they are they
128. 18:04get the focus of attention. Uh we're back to that  again focus of attention. Uh but what they're
129. 18:14doing is holding back the awakening. Uh they're  holding it back through their obsession and focus
130. 18:26upon politics and and and massively overwhelmingly  so on religion. And these are uh politics and
131. 18:39religion. They're gatekeeper structures. They  are there to hold you in a limited sense of
132. 18:49a awareness and b the true magnitude of who you  really are beyond all the the crap. Uh and and so
133. 19:03there are different levels of awakening. There's  levels of awakening where people have gone, yes,
134. 19:10there's a conspiracy and it's political and  the politics is manipulated and would need a
135. 19:16new political party. Um, so, okay, we're going to  go round and round and round on the same same uh
136. 19:23merrygo round, are we? Oh, yeah. Okay. Uh and  then you contrast that with people you meet in
137. 19:31the street who don't get focused upon on social  media and they see that actually um understanding
138. 19:42the nature of reality is to understand that  politics and religion are actually gatekeepers
139. 19:49of perception. And you know when I've studied this  over the years, it's so clear. You know, people
140. 19:57talk about religion, bricks and mortar religion  as my father used to call it. Um, but religion
141. 20:05is a mentality. It's not a mosque and it's not  a synagogue or a church. does express itself
142. 20:17that way but it's not in its foundation state.  It's a mentality. And that uh mentality irony of
143. 20:28ironies also includes mainstream orthodox science  because it's a religion and science has its holy
144. 20:39books of scientific orthodoxy and it has a limit  to what you can say discover and um and research
145. 21:00before you are dubbed a pseudo scientist or or  just dabbling in the paranormal whatever. So
146. 21:10there's a limit and that limit is the mentality  I'm talking about and the way it expresses itself
147. 21:18in society. So your limit in science is don't go  into these areas, the so-called paranormal. They
148. 21:27call it parah because they can't explain it from  their orthodoxy. It's happening. It's happening to
149. 21:33loads of people all the time, but I can't explain  it so it can't be happening. And it so the outcome
150. 21:40is you don't go into those areas or you're not  a credible scientist. Can I see it, touch it,
151. 21:47taste it? Well, okay. Okay. Well, it exists  then. All right. There it's a sense-based a five
152. 21:54sensebased excuse for science. And then you look  at religion and what religion is is exactly the
153. 22:04same mentality. It's saying this is your story.  Uh it's a different story in different religions,
154. 22:13but there's a story and you can't go beyond the  story. And you certainly can't question the story
155. 22:22cuz if you do, then you're dabbling in the occult  and the devil. And what is the common theme?
156. 22:35Politics. Again, this is your ideology, MAGA, the  left, whatever. And if you say things or question
157. 22:48things that go beyond the ideology, and God  forbid, you're saying that someone on the other
158. 22:56side might have something interesting worthwhile  to say, you are a traitor to the ideology.
159. 23:06condemn him. And what's the common theme  again? Here's a story. This is your focus.
160. 23:15This is your perception. Don't go beyond it.  And true awakening because there are people
161. 23:23that follow religions and think they're  awakening. Now, what does awakening mean?
162. 23:31It means you become more aware beyond what you  were before. Fine. And you can follow a religion,
163. 23:42you can follow orthodox science, you can  follow even a political ideology and you
164. 23:50can marginally become aware of more than that you  were yesterday. So in a sense that's an awakening.
165. 24:04But true awakening is to see that all these  expressions of the same mentality are again
166. 24:16gatekeeping your perception of reality  so that you don't unleash yourself and
167. 24:24explore all possibility beyond it. And so  true awakening is what I've called over the
168. 24:34years the blank sheet of paper which says  I'm going to go anywhere and I'm going to
169. 24:42um research explore whatever my intuition uh and  my synchronicity of life whatever leads me to.
170. 24:57And I'm not going to believe everything I come  across. You actually become more street wise
171. 25:03the more you awaken, but I am going to give it  a chance to make its case. And if it makes its
172. 25:12case to my satisfaction, then I'm going to start  talking about it. And I know that when I do so,
173. 25:22this is this is me talking to myself long long  way back in the 1990s. I know when I I do so,
174. 25:30I'm going to get ridicule and dismissal and abuse.  I know I'm going to do that. But my selfrespect
175. 25:44for my right, my infinite consciousness  right to explore and express.
176. 25:59My spin on life and reality is far more important  to me than the abuse and ridicule that's going to
177. 26:14come as a result. And so you keep going and you  keep exploring. You're mad. Oh, thanks for sharing
178. 26:22that with us. Much appreciated. You're dangerous.  well to the system. I hope so. And therefore,
179. 26:33um, you keep going and I and I hope well hope  that's always in the future. I I I trust better
180. 26:42word that I have shown people that you don't have  to withdraw in the face of even historic levels of
181. 26:57abuse and ridicule. You can just keep going and  the ridicule and the abuse goes in one ear and
182. 27:07out the other and doesn't touch the bloody sides  on the way through because you are going to do it
183. 27:15your way and not someone else's way where they're  trying to impose their way on you. And um so I
184. 27:26hope wrong word I trust that people have looked  at this with where it's it's gone now and said hey
185. 27:38[clears throat] I don't have to bow no matter what  scale of abuse and ridicule I get I don't have to
186. 27:44bow I don't have to disappear and and and and come  back into the system I can I can be me. I can be a
187. 27:53unique expression that is me. A unique expression  of infinite awareness. Infinite awareness is all
188. 28:03possibility waiting to manifest. And therefore we  are an expression at our deepest level beyond the
189. 28:15diversions and the psychological manipulation.  At the deepest level, we are expressions of all
190. 28:21possibility. And there's this idea that we  you talk about oneness, we talk about the
191. 28:30connectedness of everything. And it's it's almost  like you people get the impression that to to
192. 28:38reach this point of oneness is to become like like  everyone's the same. Uh you know I'm oneness and
193. 28:52I'm oneness and I'm wonders and I'm oneness and  all just like all of you. But no, we are dealing
194. 29:02at our core level, the true eye. We are all  possibility waiting to manifest. So therefore, the
195. 29:11more you focus and create the myopia of human uh  perception, the more everyone's the bloody same.
196. 29:31The more you awaken to the  true eye, all possibility
197. 29:39The less you become the same, the more the  celebration of uniqueness is a celebration
198. 29:51of being uh a a a part of all possibility. And  what you tend to get, you you'll know all about
199. 30:01this as well in your own experience. Um, the truly  awakened people are oneoffs. There's not uh, you
200. 30:13know, they're not people who you'd say, "Oh, yeah,  they're just like everyone else." No, no, no, no,
201. 30:19no. When you awaken, you're not like everyone  else. That's why the everyone else society
202. 30:27ridicules and and and and abuses you because  you're different. and and um so what I'm I've
203. 30:38I've seen in this um again gatekeeper alternative  media hijack is I mean look at MAGA look at MAGA
204. 30:54I'm I'm just picking out that I could talk about  wokeness as well but it's just that's a very
205. 31:01very strong thought form that's just a very strong  thought form in in the world right now. Yeah, they
206. 31:08they are all the freaking same. All right. You  know, now on the the face of what Trump has done
207. 31:17and what some of us said he would do and what some  of us said he was since 2016, they're going, "Oh,
208. 31:25no, no, no. He's not. He's not doing what he said  he'd do." What do you think he ever was? [snorts]
209. 31:32they're now kind of withdrawing from it. And  they're withdrawing from it kind of in in so many
210. 31:38ways as one unit. And now they're now uh so many  of them are now circling uh circulating around
211. 31:47the new unit. They're looking for a new home, a  new home, a new flag. Yeah. Yeah. New Yeah. Oh
212. 31:54no. Who's the savior now? It's Tucker. Yeah. Oh  yeah. All right. So anyway, what you are looking
213. 32:03at when you truly awake is you're not looking for  a savior. You're not externalizing your power and
214. 32:15handing it to someone else, which is what the  game is really all about. Give me your power.
215. 32:21Give me your power. All right, sir. I'll give you  me power. Okay. When can I have me power back?
216. 32:26Well, you can vote every four or five years for  masks on the same face, all controlled by us,
217. 32:34and then you'll you'll have the um the idea that  you are choosing your rulers. You ain't really,
218. 32:41but we'll give you that thought. Oh, by the way,  there's a new political party here, but some go
219. 32:47bloody Carlson's sorting out. Um whereas when you  truly awakened You see politics, you see religion,
220. 32:58you see all of it for the gatekeeper structures  that they are. And you go your own unique way.
221. 33:07You you you um you take from people that feel  right. Yeah, I've read this book. I a lot felt
222. 33:14real right to me and all that stuff. That's  fine. That's no problem. It's all part of it.
223. 33:20But you don't you don't you pick and choose.  You let your intuition say, "Yeah, that feels
224. 33:29right. That feels really right. That feels, oh,  that feels really right. Oh, no. I don't really
225. 33:34go with that. Don't feel right." Well, leave it  then. Put it on the back burner and see if other
226. 33:39information comes along to make you look at it  differently. But for the moment, leave it. and and
227. 33:45you build your own unique way of seeing the world  on the understanding. The crucial crucial level
228. 33:57of understanding which underpins everything  else which is I am all that is, has been,
229. 34:07and ever can be. currently having a very brief  crazy human experience. I am not human. That's my
230. 34:22experience. That is the biological computer system  that my consciousness is entrapped by if I allow
231. 34:32it to be. Um, and I can with my consciousness  override that program, that biological program,
232. 34:45and I can start to express uniqueness beyond the  program. So what I'm saying um is that the the
233. 35:00biological computer body is a software program  not just to um unconsciously run itself which
234. 35:13it does. So I've said many times when do you last  remember breathing? When you were out of breath
235. 35:19that's the only time and then of course you're  out of breath it becomes conscious. Otherwise,
236. 35:23you just breathe. You don't think about it. Got to  keep breathing. Got to keep breathing. You'd never
237. 35:27do anything else, would you? Um and uh although  some some people I especially politicians I wonder
238. 35:33how they summon the brain activity to remember  to breathe even unconsciously myself just my view
239. 35:40and anyway what um what I'm saying is once you  open your mind which is an electromagnetic field
240. 35:48um a part of the mind body system once you open  your mind and let the true eye consciousness in
241. 35:56then that uh you start to express uniqueness even  through the biological computer which is there to
242. 36:05dictate uniformity. You know when when I before  I got banned from loads of bloody countries I um
243. 36:15used to travel the world incessantly constantly.  I mean so many bloody countries over the last 36
244. 36:22years it's unbelievable. Um what I noticed is  that no matter what the religious domination of
245. 36:29the of the country, no matter what the cultural  domination of the country, um when situations
246. 36:38uh occurred, it was like certain situations  occurred was like someone had pressed had pressed
247. 36:44enter because the response the reactions were just  the same wherever you went. So you think, well,
248. 36:53hold on a minute. It's a common theme here. It  ain't consciousness because consciousness is all
249. 37:00possibility, all possibility ways of responding.  So what is it? And I concluded a long time ago now
250. 37:09that it was this body program which is there. I  mean the Gnostics used to call the the body a like
251. 37:15a prison and it's a prison of perception and and  while the body program is driving your perception
252. 37:23and being manipulated uh as you go along as well  uh on the body program level um you are going to
253. 37:32be incredibly predictable in what you do and  how you respond and how you see the world. But
254. 37:38once you break that that strangle hold, that ball  and chain of perception, you start tapping into
255. 37:49um the true eye consciousness beyond it. Suddenly  you become well what what's happened to to Bill?
256. 37:59He he's changed. Yes, he has. He's become fre  becoming freaking conscious, mate. You want to
257. 38:07try it? Don't know. It's honest. And that's when  you see the true awakening where where people
258. 38:16express their uniqueness from the perspective  and always from the perspective that they in
259. 38:26their prime through eye state are consciousness.  Ultimately an expression of all consciousness.
260. 38:37all possibility and that awakening is stifled and  stymied by the fake awakening. It's it's it's it's
261. 38:52not fake in the sense that you first of all awaken  to oh there's a political conspiracy going on and
262. 38:59all that stuff and a financial conspiracy going on  and what have you and and but but you keep going
263. 39:05you keep going. You keep going. You keep going.  You keep going. Oh, so that's what's going on.
264. 39:11And by that time, the political conspiracy  is about that big. Cuz you see, it's just a
265. 39:19way that the conspiracy itself plays out, keeps  you in the box, keeps your focus of attention.
266. 39:30And I see this
267. 39:34this suppression of the constant continuation of  awakening by this focus of attention on on on on
268. 39:46fake influencers. I I don't say they're they're  they're fake in their entirety, but I mean fake
269. 39:52in the sense that they only see the conspiracy in  myopic terms and they don't see its true nature,
270. 40:01which is the very the very um the very reality  we're experiencing is not what we think we're
271. 40:12experiencing. And the true eye lies beyond  that. fake experience. And it's um it's that
272. 40:22um you see awakening never ends. How can you  how how can you how can it ever end when you're
273. 40:32awakening to all possibility? It's it's it's a  forever constant awakening to all possibility
274. 40:43and exploring all possibility. If if if if if  you have awoken and you've reached a point, say,
275. 40:51well, it's a political conspiracy, whatever,  uh it's the deep state, it's the globalists,
276. 40:58and you stopped. I got it now. You haven't got  it. You've got more of it than you had before.
277. 41:07But unless you keep breaking through these  walls, like Socrates said, wisdom is knowing
278. 41:13how little we know. Um uh uh to know is to  know you know nothing. That is the the the
279. 41:19the that is true knowledge. Uh you keep breaking  through these walls into more and more expansive
280. 41:27um awareness to the point where you realize  no one is ever awake. We're always awakening
281. 41:38cuz all possibility is that um extraordinary in  its breadth and depth and um ways to explore it.
282. 41:50I'm so glad that you shared this in depth  this what this feels like what this process is
283. 41:56like [clears throat] because I've observed this  and maybe I'm sure you have the same especially
284. 42:01in in probably the last year but in recent  months really I call it and you use that word
285. 42:07uh I call it the great withdrawing [clears  throat] people are literally pulling back
286. 42:12and and some people call this phenomenon losing  interest in everything and I want to say losing
287. 42:17interest in everything fake in everything that's  constructed for us and and the the way that people
288. 42:24describe this experience is usually very similar  is they are they are becoming very content in the
289. 42:30simplicity. They have no interest in following  the fake scripts. However, there's a good section
290. 42:36of these folks that that also struggle with the  practical questions of this. When you see that
291. 42:44literally this entire structure everything is just  a construct everything is just agreements that you
292. 42:49know we sort of didn't know we entered we realize  none of it is really real or has to be sort of
293. 42:55followed at some point you ask yourself how can I  still function or still you know even survive or
294. 43:02live in this world while I know that most of it is  completely fake so there's there's that question
295. 43:08that many people have is how can I still live  a fulfilled life, feed myself, feed my family,
296. 43:15knowing that so much of this is fake. What What  is What has been your experience? Cuz you've gone
297. 43:22through it. We've all gone through it. What  What was your process? Well, um first of all,
298. 43:28um the point you make about losing interest in  everything. I know that one. Um, but like you say,
299. 43:37what you're losing interest in, what does that  mean? What you're losing focus of attention on is
300. 43:49the fakery. And you can live in this world but not  be of it. And most people still most people are in
301. 44:03this world and of it the the biological computer  program is running their perception. But we are
302. 44:13seeing an everinccreasing awakening beyond it. And  that's the uh that's the way out of here. And you
303. 44:24know you can again it's becoming the observer.  It's it's not that you're necessarily losing
304. 44:36interest in everything. You're losing focus upon  it. You are what's withdrawing. It's like okay I'm
305. 44:46going to observe this now. I'm not going to get  caught in the drama. Oh my god. Have you seen the
306. 44:52latest? [clears throat] They're not going to get  caught in the drama. I'm going to observe it. I'm
307. 44:58going beyond the drama. And then that's when you  start to see the connections. Then that's when you
308. 45:05see the dots connect. Once you withdraw from the  the the drama, you see it for the nonsense that
309. 45:10it is. Um and uh people think, you know, how  could I have possibly believed what I believed
310. 45:19before? Because you were there before. Now you're  there. Now you can see it. You're awakening from
311. 45:28the the the induced um slumber of myopia. And  and so you can, for instance, I can I can stand
312. 45:45on the side of a railway and I can watch a steam  train go past and I can remember all the things of
313. 45:52um that uh when I was a little kid and teenager  watching steam trains go past when they were
314. 45:58everywhere at the time. It was the way trains were  the 50s and the 60s. Um and and and I can really
315. 46:05enjoy that, you know. Oh, can I remember when I I  was watching the steam trains when I was this age
316. 46:12or that age? But you you have this knowing this  constant knowing that it's it's all a fakery. It
317. 46:26might be your memory. It might be what you  um believe um happened to you or whatever.
318. 46:37and you can enjoy it. You can watch a football  match and and and necessarily enjoy it. Um,
319. 46:46but you know, it's all it it's all an illusion  cuz this is your this is your foundation. Your
320. 46:56foundation is I'm all that is, has been, and ever  can be. Experiencing a simulated fakery designed
321. 47:04to hijack and control my perception. Thus me,  you you can hold that and you everything you do,
322. 47:14you come back to it. So I can understand this  losing interest in the fakery and this awakening
323. 47:25to the true eye more and more. Um and you can you  can do both. The the the trap is to experience
324. 47:38things in the apparent apparent external world and  think it's real. To think the body personality is
325. 47:50you. To think your life story is you instead  of a sequence of events that your true eye has
326. 48:01experienced which is given a name so that we know  one person from another. I'm not David Ike. I'm
327. 48:10all that is, has been, and ever can be. having  a brief human experience labeled David Ike. It's
328. 48:18not the same thing. And uh so when um when I I I  you know I I I lose lo have lost interest in lots
329. 48:28of things uh in the fakery over the years. Um one  or two things I still still enjoy some new things
330. 48:36like gardening. Um, but I'm I'm in this world, but  I'm not of it. And that's what awakening is. And
331. 48:47it's it's really really important that we awaken  while in this human body. And I I'll tell you
332. 48:59why. Um over the years um in various books I I've  explored um the so-called afterlife and listened
333. 49:16and um researched endless people endless people  I mean phenomenal numbers of people in so-called
334. 49:26near-death experiences and you know especially  Um, people that have memories of the between life
335. 49:34state, what some people might call the soul state,  another level of self, still not the true eye,
336. 49:42but another level of self, which operates in this  astral dimension, etc. And the common themes are
337. 49:52very compelling that they tell. They may have  different spins on it, but the the the experience
338. 50:00is very compelling in its common themes. And  one of them is that as we um enter this human
339. 50:08realm and enter a human vehicle which allows us  to interact with this human realm of density.
340. 50:17We pass through a it's like it's been described by  by some as like a vast electromagnetic field which
341. 50:26wipes your memory which would explain why although  you know some especially young young children can
342. 50:37remember previous experiences in this reality.  uh usually goes by the age of 8 10 uh sometimes
343. 50:47later but not often. Um but most people do not  have memories of that kind. Um so you come in,
344. 51:00you pass through the mind wipe as I call it in  the books and you enter this realm. So you're
345. 51:06starting with um who am I? What? What? Even if  you ask those questions, who am I? Where am I?
346. 51:13What's what is this place? And you go through a  human life where the the the um your perception
347. 51:21is being manipulated and programmed uh all  along. So you stay within the body program and
348. 51:28then you you leave at at when your your body  cease to exist because you the the body is a
349. 51:36biological computer that allows consciousness to  experience this reality. If I didn't have a body,
350. 51:43I couldn't hold that glass up because but  but in a very limited limited limited way,
351. 51:49right? Very limited way. very more more limited  the better from the manipulator's point of view.
352. 51:55So we take on an ex this external um body which  or external body another way of describing it
353. 52:05um because it is operating within the frequency  band of this human realm of density. So I can
354. 52:12interact with it. Consciousness can't interact  with it directly because they're they're just
355. 52:18completely different frequencies. Then  you then then the the body which is
356. 52:24um decoding. This is what people people don't get.  It's what science doesn't get. It's what almost
357. 52:30everybody doesn't get. The body is decoding  this reality, this simulated reality, this
358. 52:37information source into a holographic state that  we experience as physical. But sorry to interrupt,
359. 52:44but even mainstream science explains that in a way  by saying your eyes don't really see, your ears
360. 52:49don't really hear. You're getting electrical  signals and your brain is interpreting those
361. 52:54signals and putting a picture together in your  brain basically. Absolutely right. This is one of
362. 53:00the things that really gets frustrating sometimes  is you got some of it and you got some of it, Mr.
363. 53:08scientists, people. But what you don't do is put  it all together. And one of the reasons you don't
364. 53:16put it all together is because if you did put it  all together, you wouldn't be a scientist anymore
365. 53:20within the mainstream of orthodoxy. So, oh, I'll  just stay in my little box and I won't talk to
366. 53:26other boxes and get the the big the big the big  picture. So um when the the the body expires,
367. 53:36it ceases to function like a computer ceases to  function and the screen goes black. It ceases to
368. 53:47uh decode the matrix system at this level.  their other levels and deliver this reality
369. 53:56to consciousness. And suddenly that consciousness  freed from that um delivery of reality, decoded
370. 54:08delivery of reality like a computer decodes Wi-Fi  suddenly finds itself released from this human
371. 54:17awareness and and it's in another reality in  another state and that's when the whole system
372. 54:28wants wants to control your perception again.  It's just a different reality, same game. So that
373. 54:37you'll go up the the tunnel or whether or whatever  to the light and and you'll go into the recycling
374. 54:43system back into this reality to continue to  produce the the low vibrational energy which
375. 54:51the whole system kind of is founded upon. Um so  you come in and you are mind wiped. You go through
376. 55:03in a bewildered state where whatever people  may think actually the foundation is is that
377. 55:09bewilderment. Who am I? Where am I? What's going  on? And then you go out the other end. And one one
378. 55:15of the things I find quite amusing is is when you  have um all these near-death experiences. My god,
379. 55:23I've read so many of them and watched so many  of them um over the years where they say I I I
380. 55:30I left the body and and and and it was like I'd  never felt anything like it before. I'd never
381. 55:37experienced anything like it. And you go, but but  now now you kind of back, right? Okay. Yeah. You
382. 55:45you believe in reincarnation, right? That that  that consciousness can can do that. Yeah. Oh,
383. 55:50yeah. I believe in reincarnation. Yeah. Yeah. So,  you must have experienced it endless times. So,
384. 55:57what do you mean? It's [clears throat] I'd  never experienced anything like it before.
385. 56:02You obviously have. And the reason they can't is  the mind wipe. And so because of the mind wipe
386. 56:11that still in the mind wipe state, which is why  I've never experienced anything like it before,
387. 56:20you are then at the mercy of projected religious  heroes related to your uh particular belief in
388. 56:34this life. And I explain in the books how that  works. And what's what makes it possible and and
389. 56:42you I mean imag imagine you're imagine you're a  Christian and you believe in Christianity and you
390. 56:47believe in Jesus as your savior and you leave the  body and suddenly there's a projection. You don't
391. 56:53think it's a projection but it's a projection of  Jesus. Well, I mean what what what's the chances
392. 56:59that you're going to follow Jesus up the tunnel to  the light? I mean massive. Of course. Of course.
393. 57:06But especially especially after maybe a difficult  life, especially maybe after a difficult death or
394. 57:12sickness. Right. Exactly. Because you you you  go into a low vibrational state. That's what
395. 57:16they that's what they want you in because the the  the matrix um at its different levels is a band
396. 57:24of frequency. You go beyond that band of frequency  with your perceptual state and your self-identity,
397. 57:31who you believe and you who you know you are  and you're out of here. They don't want that.
398. 57:39They want to keep you in the the the matrix  multi-levelled frequency band. So you're coming
399. 57:47in mind wiped. You're going through life where  your perceptions are manipulated into religion
400. 57:53and politics and all this crap and then you leave  the body and you're still in a mind wipe state. So
401. 58:03you are um at the mercy of the manipulation to get  you on the what what the Buddhists call the wheel
402. 58:10of samsara back into this back into this world.  So there is a period After the mind wipe and
403. 58:22before you leave the body where you can get street  wise to the game is if you open your mind from the
404. 58:34myopia and the program, you can start to tap in  to awareness that gives you a fix on the game.
405. 58:44And most importantly again gives you a fix on your  true selfidentity. And so when you leave the body
406. 58:55it's not oh I've never experienced anything like  it before. You leave the body and it's like okay I
407. 59:03know the game so I ain't playing it. And if your  self-identity is strong enough, is deep enough,
408. 59:14the true eye consciousness, then you you're out of  it. They can't keep you here. They can't because
409. 59:23these so-called arantic forces, which I write  about in the books, um they're not very bright.
410. 59:34They're not very bright. they are themselves lost  and uh disconnected from the greater reality of
411. 59:46consciousness. Um and their ability is to know  the game, therefore know how it's played. to
412. 1:00:00understand that if people awaken to a certain  self-identity of self, their frequency reaches
413. 1:00:10a point where they can't keep them in the in the  simulation. Then what they do by their knowledge
414. 1:00:19of the game which they keep from the population.  So the dynamic of knowledge is ignorance but know
415. 1:00:28the game against ignorance of not knowing the  game. They are able to manipulate people into
416. 1:00:40low vibrational states and subordinate subordinate  states. So you are given within this human reality
417. 1:00:54um various choices all of which lead to the  same thing. One, you are told by orthodox
418. 1:01:04science that you are a cosmic accident that  you emerged at some point from a primordial
419. 1:01:15soup and eventually evolved to become Ethel on the  checkout. Right. Okay. And then when Ethel ceases
420. 1:01:26to function bodily, she ceases to function and  exist. Get letters after your name for that one.
421. 1:01:37And then there's another alternative which  vast vast people still believe and that is
422. 1:01:44different versions called religions of you down  here. He up there. He controls you. You have to
423. 1:01:59keep him happy because depending on the religion  um either you have multiple incarnations evolving
424. 1:02:11to but you never do unless you awaken truly to  keep him happy or you have one life on earth
425. 1:02:20which can be born into a billionaire family  or extreme poverty in Africa, Asia, wherever.
426. 1:02:28And Mr. Big judges you on that one life on earth.  You become a pastor if you believe that and
427. 1:02:38uh an imam and all this stuff. And so what's that?  I'm subordinate to him. Subordination. Little me.
428. 1:02:52I have no power. He has it all. Save me, Lord.  No, no, no. Remember who you are. You don't need
429. 1:03:07anyone to save you. You are an expression  of all that is, has been, and ever can be.
430. 1:03:17And then you have the the kind of the the the new  age and and and and other expressions which say,
431. 1:03:24"Oh, no. We we reincarnate." That's true, but it's  to evolve, to learn lessons. All right. Okay. So,
432. 1:03:32you're learning lessons. So you come in,  you have your mind wiped, and then you
433. 1:03:37um go through a series of experiences that uh you  you have no idea if you've had those experience
434. 1:03:47before. And so you could make the same uh quote  quote mistakes that you made before because you've
435. 1:03:56had your mind wiped. You're not actually learning  anything. And then you go out the other end and
436. 1:04:00you go up the tunnel and then you do it again. And  there's always, oh, there's more lessons to learn,
437. 1:04:07so you have to go back. And, oh, actually, the  more extreme your experience, the more lessons
438. 1:04:13you learn, and all this crap. And it's all  subordination. When people leave the body, the
439. 1:04:19near-death experiences, they they talk about, "Oh,  I met these elders, or I met Jesus, or I met this
440. 1:04:27uh spiritual guide, and they and and and Oh, yes.  Yeah, cuz uh you're you're the spiritual guide.
441. 1:04:35So, I just I'm down here and I just didn't listen  to what you say. What? What? Remember who you are.
442. 1:04:49So, what I'm saying is this period before after  the mind wipe and before the the return out of
443. 1:05:02this reality. You have this period to sus it.  So when you leave, you are streetwise in what's
444. 1:05:12coming and you're out of here. Um and that um is  a period that is u desperately um policed to make
445. 1:05:26sure as many people as possible don't get it. And  there's diversions galore. If you believe in Jesus
446. 1:05:34as your savior, it don't don't matter what you've  done in your life. It don't matter. As long as you
447. 1:05:40believe in in Jesus in your s as your savior,  you'll be going to heaven. And actually Jesus
448. 1:05:46and it's a projection will be there to meet you  and confirm it. uh and all that way if you live a
449. 1:05:52very moral and straight life and you're very kind  to people and you look after people and you all
450. 1:05:58that doesn't matter if you don't believe in Jesus  you're doomed and then there's the Allah version
451. 1:06:04and there's the Yahweh version and oh the Hindu  version and oh here we go. Um that's why it's so
452. 1:06:16vital that you withdraw from that shite and just  observe and see that it is all shite gatekeepers
453. 1:06:32um structures culdeacs to to park you in so you  don't suss it before the end so that they can get
454. 1:06:42you again. And uh uh so this this period we call a  human life uh is extremely important for that. And
455. 1:06:52uh so we've come a long way from Tucker Carlson  and Joe Rogan and all these uh people who are
456. 1:07:01focusing attention on the partly partly awake. But  you have you have literally just spoken to a very
457. 1:07:15fast growing number of people who are exploring  just that. Yeah. And you have addressed some very
458. 1:07:22real fears and worries which I do get because what  what I think most people grew up with in one way
459. 1:07:28or another is they understand this world is very  rules and regulations and laws based and it all
460. 1:07:34like you say authority systems and they get that  and totally understand it. But most people were
461. 1:07:39sort of raised into belief once you pass over it's  all completely different and and it's all and it's
462. 1:07:45not. It's just as much a regulated system. Yeah.  And that system will have some more um pleasant
463. 1:07:52realms for you to go into as long as it can keep  you within its system. It can give you a more
464. 1:07:59ethereal realm still part. And that's I think  one that people are really hung up on is this
465. 1:08:04ascension talk that's been around for decades and  decades in a new age and oh we will ascend. Yes.
466. 1:08:11And and it might be a a more pleasant experience  but it's still within a construct that is here to
467. 1:08:18hold you here because you're feeding it. And then  people are saying but what is beyond it? What is
468. 1:08:24outside of this system? And they're scared of  that because they say what if I don't have any
469. 1:08:29experiences any longer? What if I make the wrong  choice? What if I'm offending this system? Or what
470. 1:08:35if I'm turning, you know, d turning down my my  opportunity to have eternity? So, these are all
471. 1:08:41legitimate fears right now. And frankly, I don't  know that anyone has all the answers to that,
472. 1:08:47but I have a memory a memory I can say that it's  a a different memory than in your mind of a way of
473. 1:08:56being and expressing that is completely free. It  has no boundaries. Wherever my point of interest
474. 1:09:02takes me, I can go. Whatever I wish to see, I  can see. I have no way of explaining it in any
475. 1:09:09other way. But to me, that memory comes from  outside of this matrix system. It's not from
476. 1:09:13within it. Do you have any memories, images, or  explanations for what is outside of the system?
477. 1:09:20Well, uh, first of all, um, yeah, I have, um, a  feeling for what it's like outside this outside
478. 1:09:30the the system and and it's, um, a level of free  expression of all possibility uh, that it's very
479. 1:09:43hard to comprehend um, in this deeply controlled,  far more controlled than people ever realize
480. 1:09:51um reality or multiple um realities. But what you  say there about some people are fearful that they
481. 1:10:02will lose the opportunity for eternity. Well, hold  on a minute. That's all you can be. Consciousness
482. 1:10:14is indestructible. It's manipulatable. It's  suppressible clearly, but it's it's indestructible
483. 1:10:26and therefore you are eternal. You are infinite.  The question is um what what do you want to do
484. 1:10:39with that infinity? Do you want to stay within  a closed system um which dictates such limited
485. 1:10:50possibility or do you want to um uh emerge from  it uh and experience infinite possibility? And
486. 1:11:05fear is a low vibrational state on which the whole  matrix perception is founded upon. And it's it's
487. 1:11:18there to keep you in um a a low vibrational state  which means you stay your perceptions become your
488. 1:11:31frequency within the bounds of the matrix. So you  can't get out because your frequency is within
489. 1:11:38that which is in uh uh um enslaving you entrapping  you. Um so fear uh is something and and and the
490. 1:11:51biggest fear of course of all if you break it down  is fear of the unknown. And the more that this
491. 1:11:59system can keep um the more unknown from you or to  to you or make you feel that so much is unknown,
492. 1:12:12the more you're going to fear the unknown. So,  uh why not just look at the known? What are
493. 1:12:19you experiencing? Look at the world. Look at the  state of it. Um, so and and it it it it kind of,
494. 1:12:28you know, is a bit of a head shaker to me  to see people looking at the world and then
495. 1:12:34um asking uh God to help them at the same time  believing God created the world. Well, hold on a
496. 1:12:42minute. He didn't do a very good bloody job, mate,  did he? Have you seen it? What are you doing?
497. 1:12:48But it's like that's our fault, David, because  we're all sinners, don't you know? Yeah. Well,
498. 1:12:52that's the thing. You see, that's the thing. And  if you're a sagm, oh, you have original sin. All
499. 1:13:01right. Okay. So, this little child who's never  done any harm to anybody and is gurgling and and
500. 1:13:07whatever. Uh is born with original sin, right?  Oh, yeah. I tell I tell you a story. Oh, dear.
501. 1:13:18I I when I first came to America in 1996 um  uh to I I I went before but I mean to talk
502. 1:13:25about these things um I I I I was amazed I  was amazed to sit in hotel rooms on my own
503. 1:13:36uh night after night, week after week, month  after month flicking through the channels,
504. 1:13:41right? I'd never seen so many television  channels in me life. We have a lot here now,
505. 1:13:47but not in those days. And um the first thing I  I I remember is watching Fox News and thinking,
506. 1:13:57"What the hell is going on? It's not Fox News.  It's Foxion from the right-wing perspective."
507. 1:14:08Fair and balanced. Fair and balanced. Fair and  balanced. Oh. Oh, yeah. CNN. Oh, no. No. No.
508. 1:14:14CNN that that's from another perspective. Uh that  where they're trying to get you to see the world
509. 1:14:20in a certain way. Of course, we have rules.  I mean, they're ludicrous because they're not
510. 1:14:25kept to in terms of the way they play, but there  were rules in Britain that said you you you can't
511. 1:14:31um be they disguised it better. It was better.  More entertainment. This is more show. You know,
512. 1:14:38that's a very good way of describing it. They  hide it better, right? Um although increasingly
513. 1:14:44the more you awaken they don't hide it at all. Um  and but anyway and one one one one one one night
514. 1:14:50I'm sitting down flicking through the channels  and and I came across this this Catholic channel
515. 1:14:56and there was this priest with a dog collar on  uh who was answering questions from viewers and
516. 1:15:04I thought okay you got me. going to watch this a  bit. And and this lady, it was so sad. This lady
517. 1:15:12came on and said that she just lost a child,  a baby, you know, very soon after birth. And
518. 1:15:21she was distraught because he he couldn't have  known about Jesus, never mind believed in him.
519. 1:15:32So what will happen to my child? Um, now and  the I remember watching this and the the priest
520. 1:15:48um went into a a period of extraordinary mental  gymnastics and knickers twisting to try to explain
521. 1:16:03from his story perspective. Uh what would happen  to that baby? And it was like, oh, what what will
522. 1:16:13happen is he he'll go into a a a kind a a kind of  a a realm and and it was um he it he'll he then
523. 1:16:27what he was saying is I haven't got a clue, lady.  I haven't got a bloody clue. But he was trying to
524. 1:16:31give it that it would go into some other realm  and then then it would be judged later. Oh god.
525. 1:16:42Um oh god indeed. And that and and and  and and and that is the level of absurdity
526. 1:16:54that holds humanity in servitude to a force  that it would laugh at if you suggested and I
527. 1:17:06have is actually behind all this. Um, but what  the awakening does is you start to see things
528. 1:17:15in greater and greater and greater expansive  terms and you start to put the dots together
529. 1:17:24that show you a picture that confirms that  this is actually what's going on. Uh, I know
530. 1:17:30you've done things with people like um remote  viewers and stuff and and and what what they
531. 1:17:37uh describe, you know, has been in my books for  years and years. And it's it's it's great to
532. 1:17:45um hear uh the different ways that the same um  perspective is confirmed from all these different
533. 1:17:58angles. And it it's it's like, you know, people  say, "Well, well, prove it to me then." Well,
534. 1:18:08well, it shouldn't take me long because of  what you already believe without any proof
535. 1:18:15whatsoever. It's unbelievable. So um you know we  we are in a in an extraordinary um extraordinary
536. 1:18:28uh place where I I see anyway I I would  really relate this to the jab in many ways
537. 1:18:39um people getting more and more closed down and  more and more subordinate in their submission.
538. 1:18:52Actually, what what what does Muslim mean?  It means one who submits. Classic. Well,
539. 1:18:57they all submit. That's a point to to what? Well,  it's God. Well, how do you know that? And yet,
540. 1:19:06at the same time, this closing down  is happening, this subordination.
541. 1:19:14More and more people are going the other way. and  awakening to a vastly greater sense of reality and
542. 1:19:27also of selfidentity. So it's an extraordinary  it's an extraordinary uh place we find ourselves
543. 1:19:36where this um this is going on in such extremely  different ways depending on the awakening or not
544. 1:19:48awakening of the people involved. I I got to um  have a note here say a note to the audience when
545. 1:19:56you interview David Ike. It's a very interesting  experience because um he anticipates where the
546. 1:20:03next chapter or question might go and already kind  of asks himself that. That's like for me it's it's
547. 1:20:08a surreal experience to always watch you do that.  so synchronistic because literally that was going
548. 1:20:13to be sort of the last chapter I wanted to open is  this quote unquote bifurcation often talked about
549. 1:20:19this split in in in society this big split where  on the one hand the the the big stream is the
550. 1:20:27complete overtaking of technology of everything  this promise uh that we're going to be limitless
551. 1:20:35that production is limitless that efficiency is  limitless Why? I don't know why we need to produce
552. 1:20:42faster and more. I have no idea. But that's  the promise anyway. And then there is the other
553. 1:20:47section of society that simply has no interest  in in that really and doesn't see the point of
554. 1:20:52it. And the question that people often ask us is  what is what is a lifestyle within this reality
555. 1:21:01that is most conducive to the process that you  mentioned earlier? really continuing to awaken,
556. 1:21:08sussing it out, becoming street wise as you  say, and putting yourself in this position
557. 1:21:13where you you you are in charge of your journey  again. You're not outsourcing it to technology,
558. 1:21:20to some external savior or anything like that. And  you you've just become a gardener. So, do you feel
559. 1:21:26like returning to what we perceive as nature is a  an important step in this? Not a guaranteed one,
560. 1:21:33but is it an important one? Well, withdrawing from  the technological um society that's emerging um is
561. 1:21:44absolutely vital. you know, we have a um a a media  platform um called Iconic, which um involves news
562. 1:21:57programs and also I've been involved in many of  these um fulllength documentaries about the nature
563. 1:22:04of reality and exploring all the things we're  talking about. And we made a we made a decision
564. 1:22:12um and it wasn't difficult to make that we weren't  going to use um AI programming. We weren't going
565. 1:22:22to use AI um um technology to make films etc.  which is what you're seeing increasingly now.
566. 1:22:32Um and and that if you go on to iconic, you know  you are being spoken uh to by a human and you know
567. 1:22:42that as the films unfold, they have been edited  and put together and shot by humans without the
568. 1:22:53input of artificial intelligence to cover um  things that would take longer otherwise, right?
569. 1:23:01Um and so uh I think that's a very symbolic of  withdrawing from this technological society. Not
570. 1:23:10not there's nothing wrong with technology up to a  point. Um if it serves humanity's interests um be
571. 1:23:20I mean you're you're in the United States, I'm in  Britain and we're talking to each other here. So I
572. 1:23:25mean that's that's that's a good expression of of  of how we can communicate. um through technology.
573. 1:23:32But once you pass that point and we are past it  of course where technology imposes itself upon um
574. 1:23:43humanity and that's artificial intelligence then  um you're in the process of um a hijack of human
575. 1:23:53society. I was watching a um or I was reading uh  some posts on the internet today actually um about
576. 1:24:03uh uh predictions that within five years I think  it was a organization called cloudfare um that uh
577. 1:24:14AI uh would dominate the in uh the internet and  that humans would basically be an an afterthought
578. 1:24:23an add-on on with um just a tiny fraction of the  entire human internet traffic would be human.
579. 1:24:31Yeah. Yeah. That that's right. And and and what's  happening is um I I I I keep saying over the years
580. 1:24:39the foundation of human control is control of  perception which means control of behavior. And
581. 1:24:45AI is taking over the source of information  from which humanity forms its perceptions.
582. 1:24:54Um and and um that story today was was a a a  classic. So we're being um invaded and I say
583. 1:25:04we're being invaded by a non-human force that is  um behind the matrix uh through something called
584. 1:25:11artificial intelligence. And crucially um and this  is all supported of course by frontman uh frontmen
585. 1:25:19frauds like uh Elon Musk and um Peter Teal and and  um uh Sam Olman and uh Larry Ellison and all these
586. 1:25:28people um and um who who actually work as one unit  if people realized it. The competition is just for
587. 1:25:37public consumption uh in effect. Um and and China  of course is coming along massively uh uh um to
588. 1:25:47dominate um the uh AI uh technology. Uh and the  whole idea is to fuse humanity, the biological
589. 1:26:00computer with artificial intelligence to shut  out consciousness to stop that reconnection with
590. 1:26:11consciousness. It's it's the ultimate gatekeeper  artificial intelligence. And if you um look at um
591. 1:26:21what what is this is something that's not asked  often enough. What is artificial intelligence?
592. 1:26:26Well, it's algorithmic. Yes. On one level. It's  um uh has a a another level where you are feeding
593. 1:26:34it all the um posts on the internet. So it knows  more about humans than humans do. Uh but there's
594. 1:26:43another level of artificial intelligence which  is actually called artificial intelligence which
595. 1:26:49is the very consciousness behind the matrix. Um  the the various various names are given to it in
596. 1:26:59various religions and cultures. Anything from  Yoda Baoth and the demi urge to the devil and
597. 1:27:06Satan to Shayan to Las and on and on it goes. Um  that's what the uh artificial intelligence is that
598. 1:27:16um they want to fuse with humanity. And at that  point this consciousness this deeply disturbed
599. 1:27:26um schismatic chaotic consciousness um turns  humanity into expressions of itself. um and it
600. 1:27:37will not be asking who am I, where am I, what's  this world, who's controlling it, to what end.
601. 1:27:43That will be gone. And so it's very very important  that we do not allow ourselves to be um fused with
602. 1:27:54artificial intelligence and because that will then  be the decision-m emotional responding process.
603. 1:28:04um and that we do not get caught in the whole  um takeover of um of humanity by artificial
604. 1:28:16intelligence. And to an extent that does mean  um withdrawing from the system to a large extent
605. 1:28:25which is increasingly being taken over by AI and  the and uh and digital um uh systems. Um because
606. 1:28:36I never see it never ceases to amaze me when I go  on the internet onto X maybe and um the you got
607. 1:28:50people who think they're awake saying is this true  Grock [laughter] that's it's like this is My what?
608. 1:29:03My my pet peeve. I can't believe that people  do this every day all day and then they trust
609. 1:29:07that answer fully. [laughter] And what what's  happening is you're submitting to the infiltration
610. 1:29:16of artificial intelligence. Use your own mind to  decide if it's true or not. Use your own research.
611. 1:29:28Grock. So, who who owns Grock? Well, officially  it's Elon Musk. He doesn't really because he
612. 1:29:34didn't own any of it. Just the front man,  but Elon Musk. All right. You trust him,
613. 1:29:39would you? Criy. Um, you must be naive. So,  uh, that's part of it, but it's it's it it
614. 1:29:51there there's there's another level of this,  you know. It's it's literally letting go.
615. 1:30:01Um, I remember some years ago I tripped over a  piece of furniture and smacked the wall with me
616. 1:30:12right shoulder like late at night. I wasn't  drunk, by the I just just I just didn't see
617. 1:30:20the bloody furniture cuz um there was a little  light on and I was uh going over to to to put
618. 1:30:28the big light on and bang, over I went. And um  so I'm lying there um with me shoulder seriously
619. 1:30:38dislocated. And what you can do is you can go  into fear uh and you can go into poor me victim
620. 1:30:49mode. How could this happen to me? Or you can go  into a mode that says it is what it is. I'm lying
621. 1:30:59here. Me shoulders out. I'm struggling to get  up. Uh but it is what it is. And I went down I
622. 1:31:09went across to the hospital and I stayed in that  mode is what it is. And they said, "Oh, you know,
623. 1:31:17we're going to do this. We're going to do that."  I said, "Well, do what you need to do. Just put it
624. 1:31:21back." And I was in this um this this this state  of um state of being where, okay, it is what it
625. 1:31:34is. do what you need to put it right and then I'll  go home and get on with me life without um falling
626. 1:31:42into the drama of it really. And uh I was god I  think I was 70 71 when it happened. I'm now 74 and
627. 1:31:53it's like it's never happened right and pretty  pretty quickly it was like it never happened.
628. 1:31:59um which is kind of strange in a in a way uh if  you take the aging thing into consideration and
629. 1:32:06it was a it was like a it was a it was a it was a  place that was wi was without the drama of it all.
630. 1:32:16You just did what it nec what is necessary. I mean  this is the situation. Okay. So I've got to sort
631. 1:32:21it out. Okay. So don't get caught in the drama of  it all. Uh just you know do what you need to do.
632. 1:32:28And I I find myself more and more in in that  mode where you are you you you were withdrawn
633. 1:32:38from the drama of life. It's like, you know,  there there's people out there who um they they
634. 1:32:49kind of take your information that you've taken  36 years to um to research and they they they
635. 1:32:56they put it out as if it's all come from them  um when they were like 14 when you started out.
636. 1:33:04Um, and then there's others that try to paint you  staggeringly as a Satanist and a a a rapist and a
637. 1:33:15um uh a a a controlled opposition Freemason and  all this stuff and they they put it out there and
638. 1:33:24you know they take your stuff and they call it  that oh it's come from me they say and they're
639. 1:33:30not even content with that. they um they want to  uh also uh discredit you at the same time they've
640. 1:33:38taken your information. And what you can do is  get caught in the drama of it and uh the fury of
641. 1:33:46it and the um the the unfairness of it in a sense  or you can say it is what it is. it is what it is
642. 1:34:01and um and not get pulled into it. Not get pulled  into that um that that level that in which that
643. 1:34:11drama takes you over and impacts upon your life.  And I found that I I am withdraw because I've had
644. 1:34:18lots of experience of being really cool and abused  [clears throat] over decades. Uh so it does help
645. 1:34:25to have that experience. Yeah. say you've turned  it into a profession over the decades for a while
646. 1:34:29there. Yeah, but I did I did really but um I so  not not consciously obviously but just by default
647. 1:34:37by saying things that people couldn't understand  at the time. Yeah. Well, you know it's like I say
648. 1:34:42people have said to me over over the years, didn't  you know when you said that that that that you get
649. 1:34:46ridiculed? You know, I had actually worked that  out but you do it anyway otherwise you keep your
650. 1:34:51mouth shut and you you lose your selfrespect. But  so I I've I've reached this point where I'm I'm
651. 1:34:56I'm I'm I'm I'm I've always been I've always  withdrawn from not let it affect affect me,
652. 1:35:03but I'm now reached another level of um of  of going beyond it. Um, it's like, you know,
653. 1:35:16say what you like, you know, do what you like  because I'm me and I'm going to be me and nothing
654. 1:35:24you can do is going to stop that. And I I don't  need you to like me. I don't I actually don't need
655. 1:35:32anyone to like me. It's nice that that that that  many do, but I don't need it because I am my own
656. 1:35:41unique expression of infinite awareness and thus  I am going to be me. And if some people like that
657. 1:35:51me and lot of people some people don't like that  me, well that's fair enough. That's your right.
658. 1:35:58That's your right to have that perspective of me.  But I am going to be me, the unique infinite me.
659. 1:36:09And how you respond to me is your choice. But  your response is not going to stop me being me,
660. 1:36:20being the infinite eye that I am. And um in that  way you can you can get all the abuse and all the
661. 1:36:31the suppression through algorithms and all this  stuff and you know you think oh you know what
662. 1:36:37a waste of time what stupid people they they you  know trying to shut you up like this but you don't
663. 1:36:43get caught in the drama of it and it it you you  find like a like an equilibrium. It's not like a
664. 1:36:50roller coaster ride anymore. I that's a good way  of describing it. It's not like a roller coaster
665. 1:36:55ride anymore. It's like you find an equilibrium  whereby when things happen you like, well,
666. 1:37:03that's good, but you're not going to get kind of  over excited about it. And when things happen you
667. 1:37:09don't like, well, you're not going to that's fair  enough, but you're not going to get too down and
668. 1:37:15depressed about it. There's an equilibrium. It's  like that um it's like that poem by Rajard Kipling
669. 1:37:25um the um the the British poet from the few years  ago say the least a few years ago now back in the
670. 1:37:34back in the Raj of India uh where he talked about  um meeting triumph and disaster as twin imposters.
671. 1:37:43It's my favorite poem. It's a great line. It's  a great line because it is a it is finding that
672. 1:37:52equilibrium where nothing is too um fantastic and  nothing is too um disastrous because this roller
673. 1:38:06coaster ride of emotions is what feeds the beast  and um let's stop feeding it. You know, I will say
674. 1:38:16that the way that David put this, it it is kind  of described through the lens of a gardener. I see
675. 1:38:22that now. I I can definitely [laughter] see that  because that's what that's what gardening is too.
676. 1:38:27You know, my wife will tell you this. She's been  doing it for many many years. You have to have
677. 1:38:31this equilibrium equilibrium in gardening too.  You know, you go up and down and you discover
678. 1:38:36new things and some years are better, some years  are worse. that you get. I I love this. And I also
679. 1:38:41wanted to say you probably as an author, I assume  you have the same experience. Me as a songwriter,
680. 1:38:48when I write a song, usually I have the feeling  this is the best one yet. Not always, but usually
681. 1:38:53like maybe as an author you have it too, but in  terms of our conversations that we've had over
682. 1:38:57the year, this one is my favorite. This one is  by far my favorite. uh beautiful journey and I
683. 1:39:04want to thank you for you know for for your time  obviously for the work that you do [snorts] uh for
684. 1:39:10all of humanity and you know for also having this  I don't know if humbleness is the right word but
685. 1:39:19letting people see that you go through expansions  as well just like everybody else you have you know
686. 1:39:25your awareness broadens your perspective on things  changes over time and I think that gives people
687. 1:39:31the permission to not get addicted to certainty  but allow themselves to continue to expand which
688. 1:39:38is what like you said this awakening is um in  terms of what is what is upcoming David where
689. 1:39:44can people keep up with you I know your YouTube is  back which is a wonderful thing but where can they
690. 1:39:49keep up with what you're doing with with shadow  banning I tell it is with shadow but but it is
691. 1:39:55there there's a it is there which is there which  is good but I tell you the funny thing is um that
692. 1:40:01I was 5 and a half years off it and uh then um it  came back and there was this big rush of people of
693. 1:40:11subscribing to the channel. Not not subscribing  with money, I mean subscribing to the channel so
694. 1:40:15they they get notifications. Um and it got up to  998,000 and it's been sitting there for ages. It's
695. 1:40:26like don't let him get to a million. That that  that that that that won't be right. That that will
696. 1:40:32that will trigger a few things and and we can't  let that happen. So, it's it's kind of sat there
697. 1:40:37for ages. But um yeah, and but you can get me at  davidikeke.com where all my videos are and the
698. 1:40:43daily um news um stories in the context of what  they really mean. And there's of course iconic.com
699. 1:40:51which is our media platform and these long form  uh films uh which we're constantly turning out and
700. 1:40:59the news stories which are constantly uh running.  I do a a show every week um uh looking at the um
701. 1:41:08events of the week. Um so yeah, there's lots of  places I can get. But um it is amazing. I would
702. 1:41:15just leave it with this. It it is amazing that  that um when you you take a step back and you
703. 1:41:22um you you you give yourself more ponder time. You  may think that you are not working and you might
704. 1:41:34think, "Oh, I'm a bit guilty. I'm not working. I  should be doing more." But actually what comes to
705. 1:41:40you enhances what you do, enhances the work that  you do. It doesn't take from it. And uh ponder
706. 1:41:50time is very very very important. It lets the  truth in instead of focus of attention shutting
707. 1:41:59it out. Thank you. I I do need to hear this from  time to time. I'm getting better all the time. But
708. 1:42:06I do need to hear it. I I was definitely um I was  brought up in you know my dad being a businessman
709. 1:42:12and it's sort of you you know you are as much  as you work and hard work and it's all that
710. 1:42:18and when you're programmed with that as a child  and many many people are it takes quite a while
711. 1:42:24to get out of it and give yourself permission to  experience what you just shared. So thank you.
712. 1:42:30Got to got to gota gota gota gota is part of the  is part of the programming and um it doesn't mean
713. 1:42:38you don't do things you just do things better when  you you let um you let consciousness in perfectly
714. 1:42:48said David Ike thank you so much as always an  honor and a pleasure thank you from the bottom
715. 1:42:53of my heart it's a pleasure mate it's always  great to talk to you thank you sir and inspired
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