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0:00Hello friend, it's Johnson and in
0:03today's video I want to talk about the
0:04bear trap. We're going to make a tier
0:07list about gen one to six. The next tier
0:09is going to follow up. I've been I've
0:11been making all of you know all of the
0:12ties until gen 15 and it seemed that
0:14nothing changed after that. Anyway, so
0:17we'll start with gen one to six. I want
0:19to give you a quick overview of the
0:21discord. I revamped the discord when it
0:23come to bear trap and I just want to
0:25give you an update on that and I will
0:26mention a few things before we look at
0:28the joiners. I just mentioned a few
0:30things to really understand. We are
0:31talking gen one to six. So there could
0:33be new viewers, new players watching
0:35that. So while I'm not going to do a
0:37deep dive about joiners and why we use
0:39these and the damage calculation of
0:41joiners, all of that is explained in
0:42other content in other videos. And you
0:45know, I will talk about as well troop
0:47like troop ratio and quantity of troops
0:49very briefly to start with the video
0:51after I've showed you the discord so you
0:53have an idea and what we talk about
0:55today makes sense. Speaking of bear,
0:57while we are doing bear, I just want to
0:59remind you that my link for the official
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1:17description. So thank you very much and
1:19let's go back to the video. So now you
1:21have in the discord you have the battle
1:23event and combat guides in the English
1:25what survival tonton's guide as usual
1:27and you have the bear trap tier list. So
1:29that's we'll see in a moment and you
1:31have the bear trap guide. The guide all
1:33have all my previous videos. They have
1:34the strategy you can use with the
1:36stagard beard essential which is you
1:37know top down uh limiting the marches
1:40and different on start times. That's
1:41very essential stuff you need to
1:42understand. Some explanation about hero
1:45that you should use things like that.
1:46Why actually the damage are not scaling
1:49linearly with the amount of troops? To
1:51make it simple, if you have 100% of your
1:54troop capacity, you are doing 100% of
1:56the damage you can do. If you have 50%
1:59of your march capacity, you will do
2:01roughly 70% of the damage. So you you
2:04divide by two the amount of troops and
2:06you get 30% less of the damage, right?
2:08So that there is some mass and
2:10explanation about it here if you care
2:11about it. That's why we use in the
2:13stiger bear trap. That's why we use
2:15limit. We are limiting the amount of
2:17number of troops per march. That's
2:19really important to understand. You do
2:20more damage that way. There are
2:22something about my ratio. I suggest here
2:25which one you can use and it's not what
2:27you will find usually suggested by your
2:29air force up to gen 14 plus with if you
2:31are using Dominic. Then you have some
2:33explanation that I kept from Lar that's
2:35really helpful on the discord that
2:37explain a lot of things. So I remove I
2:38clean up like the the thread bically but
2:40there are a lot of like very important
2:41key message I've kept. You have here an
2:43example about how it interacts like
2:46different junior how they stack with
2:48certain rally leader heroes. So it's
2:50Jonimo Mia Bradley versus Ector Mia
2:53Bradley. So that's for gen 7. You see
2:54what's going on when you have one one
2:56you get 25% and second is only adding 20
3:00stuff [snorts] like that. And you can
3:01clearly see that for example Sonia is
3:04working a bit better with Gironimo but
3:05she's adding 16 except like instead of
3:0920 for most of the other joiners. She's
3:11one is very similar to Cun, but you see
3:14like Cun is not worse than Sonia with
3:16Geronimo Mia Bradley. It's because these
3:19have a lot of attack up in them, right?
3:21They have a lot of skill that work with
3:22attack up. CO is attacking up. So you
3:24have an example of that for a specific
3:26gen, but that's giving you an idea about
3:28why, you know, like some heroes are not
3:29good, but you can see that PhD is as
3:31good as Sonia in many ways and that's
3:33because she interact with skill very
3:35poorly. So you have an example here from
3:36the Wer folks. What's really new and
3:38what I will make videos about as well.
3:40I've made a frequent question asked
3:42question. So FAQ you have about bear and
3:45I debunked like 14 of these already and
3:48you know I'll cover I'll add what if
3:49whatever help. So here there's like the
3:5114 common question is like rather break
3:54that the patch reduces dam damage dealt
3:56to bear you know what another one that
3:58is typical you know should I use the
3:59same amount of infantry and lancers in
4:01my ratio. You will see a lot of air
4:03force suggesting 10 10 80 20 60 that
4:06makes no sense with the way game work.
4:08So these are debunked and you have the
4:09same I started the same with some
4:11heroes. So when do you use Raina? Why
4:13Gwen is a bad joiner? Why Mia is the bad
4:15joiner for bear trap? It's the best
4:17joiner in rally if you don't have it in
4:19the rally leader. So these things are
4:20covered on the discord. I'm going to
4:22expand it. So if you have any question,
4:23anything you come here, you ask the
4:25question and you know we talk about it
4:27and if it makes sense, I'm adding it to
4:28the guide. But let's move toward the
4:31tier list. And before we start the tier
4:32list, there is one more thing I want to
4:33mention. I said already about the troop
4:35size, right? I already mentioned that
4:37the troop size uh you know if you cut it
4:39by half when you start from 100% of your
4:42march size it's lowering damage by 30%.
4:45That's important to understand that's
4:46why we do stagger bear trap with limited
4:48amount of troops for joiners.
4:51This is gen one we are looking at
4:52something to understand is like some
4:54skills between them are additive and
4:56some skill between them are
4:57multiplicative. So if you are looking at
4:59skills and I will keep it very simple
5:01but I have far more explanation on the
5:03discord and I have mass example with
5:05more complex example. I have videos
5:07about it to go a lot deeper if you care.
5:09But the the the simple way like why this
5:12is optimized and one you can you can
5:14trust it compared to like all the other
5:16one you will see online to be honest.
5:18[laughter] Um this is not only made by
5:20me I got help from people from to make
5:23these to make sure they are accurate.
5:24believe that some skill are additive and
5:27multiplicative and one skill it's
5:28additive if you have thousand percentage
5:31of attack or leality or whatever and
5:33it's additive you're going to get,25
5:36that's it if it's additive and if it's
5:38multiplicative you're going to get,250
5:40right so you see the difference on
5:41thousand stats and if you stack like
5:44similar joiner so sim up damage up
5:47attack up they are additive between them
5:49when it's the same thing so if you have
5:51four cu because it's attack up for it's
5:54additive addive
5:56all the scenes are additive between
5:57them. If you have heroes in the rally
5:59leader march that are as well with
6:01attackup, they are additive with the
6:02rally leader. So you can end up having a
6:04far smaller outcome that if you get
6:07multiplicative joiners and I got far
6:09more example of that again and you know
6:10there is like in that battle section you
6:12have as well you have that channel that
6:14explained about rally rally hero joiner
6:16ratio and you have the mass explained
6:18here a bit about joiner and you have
6:19another channel about joiners rally
6:21joiners explained and you have more
6:24detail about all of that. So if you care
6:25you know there is the math there is some
6:27example here that you can and follow and
6:29there is some example about the outcome
6:30like you know how do you calculate your
6:33the junior effectiveness bically between
6:36all of these different skills and which
6:37one are additive which one are
6:38multiplicative people done the maths for
6:41you people done the you know the work
6:42for you you just have to learn about it
6:45and hopefully today's very very simple
6:48version that you can learn about it so
6:50gen one the way it works here you have
6:52the joiner you must use must use are The
6:54one you can always use use with a
6:57condition. I'll give you the condition
6:58later. It's written on the discord. Use
7:00on low attendance bear trap. It mean
7:02that these are very bad not very bad
7:04joiner but they're like mediocre
7:05joiners. And if you don't have joiners
7:08is if you don't have enough joiners in
7:09your rallies as a rem the reminder you
7:11get four joiners per rally in offensive
7:14rally in garrisons in bear trap.
7:16Whatever you do you have four joiner
7:18that are working and that are sharing
7:20their first expedition skill with the
7:22rally leader. Right? That's really
7:23important to understand. So if you do
7:25not have enough uh of people because
7:27like it's like a casual alliance. It's
7:29like your farm alliance and you don't
7:30have four joiner per rally. You can
7:32start to use the ones here. But you see
7:33there is none in gen one and the other
7:35one are for your own march. And when
7:36it's the line for your own march it's
7:38per order of priority left to right. So
7:41here infantry free to play you're going
7:42to play with Sergey then you're going to
7:44play with Molly free to play and then
7:45free to play is going to play with bite
7:47one spender. If you have Din Man and if
7:49you do a bit of Din Man widget, it's
7:51going to be better than By. If you do
7:53Natalia, if you don't do Jonimo, then
7:55Natalia with a bit of widget as well and
7:57she has far more offensive skills. She
7:59will be better than Sergey, but Geronimo
8:01will be better than everybody else right
8:03here in the infantry. So that's how you
8:05read the document. So here is very
8:07simple. You ditch all the purple. Uh
8:10here you you ditch all the blue ones and
8:13you just keep Jessie Jarun. It is what
8:15it is. It's better not to have hero than
8:19to have the worst one. Let's say I'm
8:20sending a a wrong hero in my my rally,
8:23right? I'm reducing up to it's have you
8:26have we've seen quickly on the other
8:27image I've shown you about like the
8:29percentage that the joiner is really
8:31giving when you have three four of them.
8:32Gen one you will have a lot of JC just
8:35so you they will be additive in many
8:36ways. So they're not giving 20% each.
8:39Let's say for the sake of simplicity
8:40that they are giving 20% at the end of
8:42the day because of diminishing returns.
8:44you get the wall rally because you are
8:46using one of these, right? Getting a 20%
8:49damage reduction, less damage done at
8:52least, not damage reduction, but less
8:54damage done for you getting a bit more
8:55troops. And we've seen that if you are
8:58getting heroes and to get a bit more
8:59troops, you're not going to get a lot of
9:00more troops. You're going to get 10 20%
9:02more. And that result in like 5% more
9:05damage for you, 10% more damage for you.
9:07Well, you nerfed the damage of the rally
9:09by 20%. So by trying to get more troops
9:11to do more damage for yourself, you are
9:13doing less damage and you are making
9:15everyone less do less damage. So it's
9:17really important for bear that you are
9:18using the hero that are giving the most
9:20damage and you have you know a few
9:22remainder of the legends and links to
9:25extra extra information here. So that's
9:27really important to understand. So
9:28that's gen one. Gen two very simple. You
9:31just adding Philly at the low
9:32attendance. So it's okay again if you do
9:34not have four joiners per rally in a
9:37farm alliance in a second bear trap that
9:39less popular wherever then you can start
9:41to add fi for [snorts] your main march
9:43the only big change is flint is better
9:45than s for free to play and that's a
9:47lucky willy ro so you will want to have
9:48him and I suggest every freeto play
9:50everyone to do alonzo and alonzo will be
9:52far better than din man will be far
9:54better than bi because he has an
9:56offensive widget because he has
9:58offensive skills and he has higher stats
10:00for marksman as well so that's going to
10:01be look like so free to You're going to
10:03pay Flint, Molly, Alonzo. And pay to
10:05win, you're going to play whatever you
10:06have. Gironimo, Molly, Alonzo, probably
10:08if you are like fully free to play. If
10:10you have Natalia, Natalia, you know,
10:13she's likely better than than Flynn
10:15because she has an offensive widget that
10:16work in offensive rallies while Flynn
10:20has a defensive widget. So, you can see
10:22we can go through these very quickly,
10:24not they are made and not you have the
10:25right context. And that's why I made a
10:27snapshot about every gen with your own
10:29M. So you can update, you know, you can
10:30just look at where you are and share it
10:32with your alliance. Sad news, gen three,
10:34there are no more new junior that are
10:36good for you, right? Nothing new here.
10:38You stick with the three purple one. Low
10:41attendant, you can still still use Fidi.
10:43It is what it is. Then here at the
10:45bottom, you get Mia. Mia is going to be
10:47your best lancer until gen 14 in 99% of
10:52the cases, right? So you're gonna use
10:53Mia for a very long time. She's lucky
10:55with so you can get her to a very good
10:57spot. You can put her four stars plus
10:59you can do a bit of a widget two four
11:01five you know six maybe and [snorts]
11:03many people slowly with all of heroes
11:05you know later gen they are finishing
11:07Mia's widget to level 10 if you're a
11:09medium spender now with the new event we
11:11have about widgets you can actually make
11:13Mia widget eight or 10 quite easily for
11:16on a little budget to be honest and that
11:17could be worth it you're going to use
11:19her as well eventually if you're a
11:20marksman player so infantry nothing
11:22change I mean Natalia could still be
11:25here right Natalia could still be be fle
11:27Flint if you have her I removed her but
11:29she's Flint is not becoming better after
11:32a generation so you can put Natalia back
11:34eventually here if you do not have
11:35Geronimo then for for marksman Alonzo is
11:40far better than Greg because of his
11:41skill and because of his widget right so
11:43Greg is still better than a gen one hero
11:45because of stats and because of skills a
11:48bit eventually even if he's not really
11:49offensive but he has far better stats so
11:51he will be better so you can use freeto
11:53play going to use Flint Mia Alonzo that
11:56gen three Gen 4 it's very simple you get
12:00Raina right headed back and I'll talk
12:02about the condition for Raina that's a
12:03very interesting one and I think I have
12:05it explained here we'll look at it in a
12:08sec so what's going to change nothing
12:10except Raina are the condition for your
12:13own march note that's um you know you're
12:15going to still use or see I put back
12:17Natalia here so that's still the same
12:18nothing changed for infantry
12:21nothing changed for lancers for a very
12:23long time and Lynn seems to perform a
12:25bit better than Alon sorry Alon Lonzo
12:27perform a bit better than Lynn in many
12:29cases. If you did not develop a lot
12:31Alonzo and you develop more Lynn, then
12:33you can test Lynn like they are not that
12:35far from each other. But even viewers
12:37with like maxed out Lin and maxed out
12:39Alonzo are saying to me that Alonzo is
12:42doing a bit better. It's mostly because
12:45he has decent offensive skills and he
12:46has an offensive widget and Lyn has a
12:48widget that's working garrison. So
12:50Alonzo had a lot to has a lot for him
12:52medically and that's quite decent and
12:54the December of 25 update that we
12:57received on you know gen two gen one
12:59to60 that got updated in that update. So
13:02if we look at Raina right why do you
13:04when do you use Raina you go here you
13:06have the link to the Q&A or the FIQ I
13:10wrote about the different joiner so you
13:12know a different hero that's hopefully
13:13stepping up like the level of
13:15information on my discord quite a bit
13:17and the first one there are two ways you
13:19can think about it when your max heroes
13:21have less than 25% skill damage so you
13:24need to understand what are the skill
13:25damage that's where it's a bit tricky
13:27but for people that really understand
13:28the game that might make sense and you
13:30see there is a link to the skill damage
13:32forum where I explain things and then
13:34max money man heroes use used in the
13:36rally leader march that are okay with
13:38rea bically I gave you the list to make
13:40it simple for everybody else you can use
13:42rea if most people in your alliances are
13:45currently using alonzo or so that's
13:47going to happen to gen 2 to4 so that's
13:50okay to use rea gen 22 to4 gen five and
13:53six it's they are not here so Gwen and
13:55and Wayne and most people will use that
13:57so I would not suggest to use rea gen
14:00five and
14:01Bradley is okay to use Raina and then
14:04Enrich is okay to use Raina as well. So
14:06gen seven and eight maybe nine you can
14:09use Raina as well. So Raina is okay to
14:11use basically gen two to four and gen
14:14seven eight and maybe nine and
14:16especially when you have Rufus. Rea is
14:19terrible because Rufus is doing a crazy
14:21amount of of skill damage and Raina is
14:24not boosting skill damage at all. and
14:25Rufus. People are saying I have some
14:28other YouTubers saying that he's gen 17
14:30and they are still using Rufus. So I
14:32knew about Gen 15 plus or 15 for Rufus,
14:35but they are 17 and he's hoping to get a
14:37better bare hero gen 18. So Rufus,
14:41you're going to use him forever. It
14:43feels it's gen 11 max. So you're not
14:46going to use Raina after gen at least 11
14:49worse. But you know even Blanchet is not
14:50good. Axura is not good with with Rea.
14:53So as soon as you are gen 10, I will
14:54stop using Rena. Maybe you can use your
14:56seven, eight and and nine because not
14:58many not many people do Zura. You might
15:00just be careful with like your wells if
15:02they if they have not to nerf the damage
15:05of your wells and do not send your rea
15:07to people um you know that are actually
15:09having um having you can check that
15:12easily. You can know that easily. So
15:14that's gen four and you have all the
15:16explanation.
15:17Gen five. The only change here for the
15:20joiner is Nora that you can use in your
15:22low attendance bear trap because she's
15:2415% on marksman and that's mostly the
15:26damage damage dealt are mostly done from
15:29marksman at that stage. So it is what it
15:31is. Uh you know you can have her here
15:34that's really good. Nothing changed. Rea
15:36is still with condition. We've seen that
15:38gen five is she's not really good with
15:40Gwen. So maybe early gen five when
15:42nobody has Gwen you can still use Raina.
15:44And as soon as you start to see a lot of
15:46people with Gwen, then start to ask to
15:49to remove Rena from your option and what
15:51you ask your team. It's hard for player
15:53to understand these things. I know it's
15:55not easy, but that's um that's hopefully
15:57helpful with the explanation on the
15:59discord. When it comes to your to your
16:02rally, your own march sorry, Ector is
16:05amazing. He's amazing and he does not
16:07need a widget. He has a garrison widget.
16:09The garrison widget do nearly nothing on
16:11bear. They are boosting a bit health and
16:12lethality of infantry always in offense
16:15and defense and they have a skill
16:17triggering in defense in that case extra
16:21stats that does not work on bear. So
16:23ectctor is great because of skill number
16:26two skill number three they are made for
16:28bear especially skill number two and
16:30he's just below gironimo. So ectctor is
16:32like a bit more spiky than gironimo. So
16:34people tend to think that Jon Ector is
16:36better than Gironimo. Assuming you have
16:38Gonimo five stars and max widget. If you
16:40have Gironimo four stars and widget
16:42four, Ector is probably better. So what
16:46Ector does is very spiky damage. So you
16:49can be far lower than Gironimo and you
16:51can be quite higher than Geronimo, but
16:53the average damage is a bit below. So
16:55Gironimo is still best, but you could
16:57use Ector if you want to have another
16:59joiner. Gironimo is a 25% attack up or
17:02no sorry damage up. So it's just similar
17:04as JC and Jaser. There is nothing
17:06different here. So he can be used here
17:08if you want to use Ector and use
17:10Geronimo at the joiner with the K. But
17:12you will likely don't need it in a very
17:14active alliance. So free to play going
17:15to use whenever he's ready like three
17:17star plus skill number four. That's
17:19easy. Move on. Replace Flint with it as
17:21three star. That's even probably two
17:23stars is better than Flynn to be honest.
17:25then [snorts] Mia and then if you have
17:27Gwen she's going to be better than
17:29Alonzo by quite a bit and if you don't
17:30have Alonzo she will be better than
17:32Lynn. Gwen is very very good on bear.
17:34That's one of my recommended hero for
17:36freeto play because you're going to keep
17:38her for gen five for gen six. She's
17:40great in arena. She's great everywhere.
17:42She is amazing. So that's something you
17:43can you can you know enjoy and that's
17:45where we are. And then gen six again
17:49Raina you know very debatable. Gen six
17:52you probably have only Gwen and Wayne.
17:53So at that stage you probably do not
17:55want to use Raina but again depend on
17:57your alliances. If you don't have Wayne
17:59or Gwen in your farm alliance and you
18:01want to do a bear on farm alliance and
18:03she's okay to use here. [snorts] Nothing
18:05changed at the top. What's changing for
18:07your march is just that Wayne
18:10is debated right? People do not agree on
18:12that. So I used to be team Gwen. Um many
18:15of you are when I used to suggest Gwen
18:17over Wayne. That was my testing when I
18:19was gen six right? I tested both. I had
18:21them both five stars and widget four and
18:24I had a I did not do like extensive
18:25testing at the time I was not. So I was
18:28I had a feeling that after looking a bit
18:30like Gwen was a bit better. So that's
18:31what I was suggesting. Um and many
18:33people came back to me saying oh you
18:35know Wayne is better and then we talk
18:37and then it depend on the widget. It's a
18:38bit complex but you test for yourself
18:40but on the amount of star the amount of
18:41widgets see which one is best. But these
18:43are two very good heroes for bear. The
18:45only issue I have with Wayne is like
18:47he's used for freeto play for only one
18:49gen. is going to be replaced by Bradley
18:51next gen. But Wayne is crazy in PvP. If
18:53you like to burn cities, if you're a
18:55rally leader, when is crazy, he's really
18:57crazy. He's really really strong. He's
18:59demolishing lancer ratio is really
19:00really good. So at that stage, it's
19:02basically always the same for infantry
19:04and and lancers.
19:06Again, yeah, you're going to use her
19:08until gen 14. Hector and Gironimo, there
19:11is nobody beating them at that stage of
19:12the game. There is nobody better than
19:14them. You might find content and guides
19:16saying that Magnus or Gregory are
19:17better. But these two these are before
19:20se December update last year before
19:23December 2025. They change Ector. They
19:25made Ector nearly as good as Geronimo
19:27and they made far better. So Ector has
19:30nobody matching him in term of damage
19:32except Geronimo. That's slightly better
19:34in average and it is what it is. So you
19:36have your team setup. You're always
19:37using these infantry and marksmen and
19:40lenser heroes and you just have to use
19:41the best marksmen moving forward. What's
19:44going to change in the follow-up video
19:45and then the extra tier list will be
19:47that you know you will see you have a
19:48lot more joiners gen 8 9 10 11 you have
19:52a lot more joiners and it's it's going
19:53to come a lot more easier to get your
19:55joiners filled but that's the chist you
19:57can find it on my discord I'll put the
19:59link in the description I cannot close
20:01that you can find everything you want if
20:03you are impatient you have it until gen
20:0515 it's already done I'll make a video
20:07about it uh but that's something you you
20:10can enjoy it's already done here and at
20:12the end you have as well from Elshar a
20:14quick recap of the road that you can use
20:17and you know he has no explanation about
20:19the situational thing but that's that's
20:21something you can copy paste to your air
20:22force as well and that's [snorts] that's
20:24really amazing as well it's a bit more
20:26of a digestible format but you don't
20:27have your own march what I've been doing
20:29is I always have the detail of your own
20:30march with the order you can do but let
20:32me know if you like that tier list if
20:34you have follow-up question about it and
20:36you have far far more explanation on my
20:38discord and on other videos to help you
20:40kind can of get deeper understand these
20:42things with a bit more granularity in
20:44the comments and you know hopefully
20:46that's something that helped your
20:47alliance and that's something that was
20:49carefully reviewed by very knowledgeable
20:51people. So as far as I know that the
20:52best tier list out there when it comes
20:55to like in depth of the game mechanic
20:56and the interaction between skilled
20:58there should not be any mistakes. If you
21:00think there are any mistakes and there's
21:01any oversight pleaseing again, you know,
21:04I'm not convinced that it is perfect and
21:06and all of that but that the best we
21:08could we could come up with with like
21:10very knowledgeable and very trustworthy
21:12people. So hopefully the best for now
21:14and we'll see if there are anything to
21:15improve. But let me know in the comments
21:17or come on the Discord. Thank you very
21:18much for your time. Thank you very much
21:19for watching and I'll see you in the
21:21next one. Bye-bye everyone.

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