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0:05Okay.
0:16So, let's start. Hello everybody.
0:19Welcome to our conference. My name is
0:21Alexander Ychek, Alex Yek. MC of
0:23Ukrainian cluster all lines and we
0:26organize this conference uh mainly about
0:29how cluster can contribute to
0:32improvement uh defense sector in
0:34collaboration Ukraine and EU.
0:38Um so we'll talk three days about this
0:42uh challenges about collaboration in
0:44this uh area.
0:47Um and uh well I I I promise to to start
0:51with uh with Ukrainian. So
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9:32Good day Martin.
10:07Bishop.
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10:39Uh
11:05the Buddhist
11:13speech.
11:33Martin, the floor is yours.
11:37Yes. Uh hello everyone and thank you
11:39Alexander for the introduction. Uh so
11:42I'm indeed I'm working for European
11:44Commission DJ Defis and we opened
11:47exactly two years ago two years ago
11:50yesterday actually the office in Kiev uh
11:53to really figure out how we can do
11:55cooperation better with the Ukrainian
11:57entities and also the Ukrainian armed
12:00forces and to make sure that our new
12:03initiatives and programs that EU is
12:05funding that we actually take account in
12:09what is needed on the front and what is
12:11the kind of new and innovative
12:13technologies uh already available. So uh
12:17I looking at the participation list I
12:19met many of you at different events and
12:21uh I know that many of you know about
12:23these uh programs already. So I will go
12:26through them quite quickly. I'm happy to
12:28share also the slides afterwards and you
12:30can uh all of you can take time to go
12:32into details in any of them. But what I
12:35will try to do is I will try to bring
12:36out only the new things and uh and
12:39hopefully uh you will get uh something
12:43out of this next 10 15 minutes. So uh I
12:47always like to start with the European
12:49Defense Fund just for you to to see the
12:51the scale and uh if anyone don't know
12:53about this this is an annual program. So
12:56every year we announce new topics the
12:58deadline for this uh year is 29th of
13:02September. So you have less than one
13:04month. If you don't have a good proposal
13:07already and the consortium, I'm afraid
13:09it's too late to start with this uh for
13:11this year. But still why I print this
13:13out is that the uh the application uh uh
13:18the
13:20building of application the EU funding
13:22tenders portal. This is at the moment
13:24still open and it will stay open until
13:26the 29th of September. So even if you
13:29don't have time to do it this year, I
13:32definitely recommend you to look into
13:34this to understand what they ask and
13:36what they uh what the the requirements
13:38are. Uh there's a lot of information
13:40online, lots of videos, tutorials, uh
13:43lots of technical uh info. So make sure
13:46you understand it and and try to learn
13:48how to build one because already in
13:51December we are announcing uh the new
13:54topics. So the topics for next year and
13:57then you can start preparing. Of course
13:59the question has been for a long time
14:01that uh can Ukraine actually get funding
14:03from there. So the good news is on the
14:0513th of July in Kiev at the defense
14:08industry forum the association agreement
14:11for Ukraine was actually signed by
14:13commissioner Gubilus and minister
14:14Federov and uh
14:18from our side it means it's done and you
14:20are accepted. There is a small technical
14:22detail which is still delaying the the
14:24full association and uh your parliament
14:28on the Ukrainian side still has to do a
14:30ratification of this agreement. We hope
14:33that it will happen this week already.
14:35Unfortunately, it seems to be not the
14:37case. So we hope again for next week and
14:40so on. Uh for sure it should take place
14:43before the 29th of September. Ukrainian
14:46side has ensured us that they know the
14:48uh how important it is and it it will
14:51happen. So let's hope uh it goes
14:53smoothly. Uh but what what it will mean
14:55as soon as this uh ratification is done
14:58all Ukrainian entities, companies,
15:01universities are eligible for European
15:03defense fund as a full beneficiary uh
15:06directly as a consortium member. So no
15:08need to do any any kind of tricks that I
15:11I used to talk about last year. And uh
15:13also it means that all of the existing
15:15programs can start including also
15:18Ukrainians or Ukrainian uh uh like
15:21activities in Ukraine meaning that for
15:23example testing in Ukraine will become
15:25eligible. They will might might need to
15:27do amendment and so on but uh this is uh
15:30getting to the kind of finalization very
15:32very soon. If you go to the EU funding
15:35and tenders portal and if you right now
15:37are building a proposal in there, uh you
15:40will see a warning sign or a message
15:42that uh you you have if you register a
15:45Ukrainian entity there or or you you
15:48make the application with a Ukrainian
15:49entity, you will see a sign that this uh
15:52is from a non-eligible country. Yes,
15:54that warning sign will remain until
15:57ratification has been finalized, but you
15:59can do all the preparations already. So
16:01you can you will not lose any time at
16:03the moment.
16:05So that's about the European Defense
16:07Fund. Uh and uh we fully understand that
16:10European Defense Fund is not the fastest
16:12and uh it's it's it's a heavy program.
16:15But it is mostly for the big amounts of
16:18money. We're we're talking usually 10
16:20million, 20 million up to 100 million.
16:22But we know very well but uh that also a
16:25faster funding is needed and uh more
16:28kind of easier access for for kind of
16:31low TRL level technology. So this is one
16:34of the reasons we started a program
16:36called brave the EU. uh it was in
16:39initiation with with pre1 and dig defis
16:42and we included also European defense
16:44agency and uh for the last year or or a
16:48little bit more we have been preparing
16:49this and now the first calls are already
16:52in action. The first one was actually in
16:54in spring already but right now today
16:57the second call is open and uh the
17:00events will take place in Germany and
17:02Romania in the first week or second week
17:05of November. So in couple of months
17:07already and this is a program that will
17:10open new calls about every four months.
17:13So every four months we are asking
17:15Ukrainians again that what is your
17:17priority what should be the topics and
17:18so on and we we go very quickly on this
17:21and uh it means also that in December we
17:24already open the new calls and so on. So
17:26every time there's a kind of little bit
17:28uh more detailed list on the topics uh
17:31how the program works is pretty much we
17:34we are right now let's say with the with
17:36the second call there will be eight
17:38calls all together. So for the next
17:39three years it's lasting. So for the
17:41second call, we are now in this uh uh
17:45step number one on this uh this slide.
17:48The defense tech forge itself is a
17:51oneweek event where the companies come
17:53together, they show what they have, they
17:54have a lot of mentoring, a lot of uh
17:56possibilities to to show things to their
17:58end user in in different countries and
18:00so on. So in the end of that week, we
18:03announce uh three winners uh in both
18:06locations. So six winners altogether.
18:08All of them will get 120,000 to finalize
18:11the prototype to to come to the next
18:13phase and so on. Uh next phase is to
18:17organized by European defense agency.
18:19For example, the for the first call that
18:20was in spring the next phase is actually
18:23in couple of weeks already in Portugal
18:25and uh all the six companies will get
18:27there and uh they have a opportunity to
18:29get another 300,000. So for out of six
18:32uh we will take four who will get the
18:35the 300,000 and after that we give them
18:38again couple of months to to do kind of
18:41final preparations and we bring them
18:42back together for the last time and from
18:45that those four companies we pick two
18:47who get half a million. So it's kind of
18:49step by step giving them more money
18:51giving them more time to finalize the
18:53product to really support them all the
18:55way they get to the frontline testing.
18:58And uh we we we use this actually to to
19:02test also this mechanism that uh can it
19:04work for the EU level and we hope to do
19:06it even bigger in the future in the next
19:08multanual financial framework. But let's
19:11not to go into that. I I briefly want to
19:13cover EDIP also. We've been talking
19:15about EDIP also for more than six months
19:17at least. The most interesting for most
19:20Ukrainians is actually from on the left
19:22here, industrial reinforcement action.
19:24And on the lower the two uh topics,
19:28missiles, ammunitions, and bombs and
19:29unmanned systems and counter unmanned
19:31systems. These are the first one the
19:35deadline. They are open right now again
19:38portal. You can go there and you can
19:39start applying. This is fully for
19:43ramping up production capability.
19:45meaning you can build a new factory, you
19:47can modernize your factory, you can
19:49modernize your production capability. Uh
19:52the goal has to be some more or better
19:55uh productivity uh for for your whatever
19:58you're producing. So it's fully for
20:00production. Why? It's very good for
20:02Ukrainian companies. Single beneficiary
20:05is eligible. So you can come alone as
20:07your company and we cover 100% of your
20:10cost and up to 30 million per project.
20:13it will be very very competitive because
20:15uh we only have 180 million altogether.
20:18So it might be that there are six big
20:20projects that will take it but uh it
20:22doesn't mean that you shouldn't try also
20:24if you if you're asking even for five or
20:2610 or 15 million it's definitely worth
20:29trying because it's not very often that
20:31we have so good opportunities and the
20:32second call is for the uh 16th of
20:35February the deadline but the rules are
20:37the same. you can include also uh uh EU
20:42entities and so on. But if you don't
20:44know about this project or program and
20:46you're now kind of for the first time
20:48seeing it, I definitely recommend you to
20:50go on YouTube and look at this info
20:51session. It's two hours talking about
20:53all the details what you can do, what
20:55you should do and and so on. So it's a
20:57very good source of information and of
20:59course again on the on our website on
21:01commission websites edip you will find a
21:04lot of information under edip there is
21:07also a defense innovation action which
21:10we are doing together with pre1 it's
21:13actually in the final preparation uh for
21:15the grant agreement it means that we are
21:17giving pre1 35 million if everything
21:19goes smoothly in in the next couple of
21:21weeks and uh uh with this money they
21:25will open up more grants
21:27small CR for both Ukrainian companies
21:30and and for the first time they will
21:32also open up for EU companies. Let's see
21:34how many EU companies of course we will
21:36be interested in this and uh and can act
21:38quickly enough and fast enough. This
21:40means that they will follow uh pre1
21:43rules. So the speed and everything and
21:45the same method after I'm sure many of
21:47you have been getting money from uh from
21:49Bray 1. So the same what they've been
21:51doing up to 200,000 per uh grant and uh
21:56we want we we are aiming on the TRL 4
21:58plus actually all of these are so it's
22:00not not something very theoretical or or
22:02research something that has a prototype
22:04and so on. So if everything goes
22:06smoothly uh starting from October this
22:08should be opened.
22:10Uh then I as you have a or we have a lot
22:14of uh companies here also from dual side
22:17and the different clusters have a very
22:19very kind of different scope of of
22:22companies. I I really want to bring uh
22:25European innovation council elections
22:27also in front of you. They are building
22:30very good systems for also Ukrainian
22:33companies. So they can give up to two
22:35and a half million and they are the they
22:37have
22:39opened up the the program more and more
22:41each year for defense or kind of defense
22:44related topics. So they still have 4th
22:46of November as the cut off date for this
22:49year. So if you don't know about these
22:51possibilities definitely look into it
22:53and also Horizon Europe of course
22:55because uh although it's it's more on
22:58the civilian side there are lots of uh
23:00kind of opportunities in the horizon.
23:02This is just a short list of of what I
23:04what I like to show because they're
23:06directly connected in my my opinion, but
23:08there are more. And the 5th of November
23:10is the their deadline. So, it's still a
23:12possibility. And it's also Horizon and
23:14European Defense Fund. They uh require
23:17mostly they require consortiums. So,
23:20it's a great opportunity to start
23:21building partnerships with EU companies
23:24and and this this is an excellent uh
23:26place to kind of start it if you have if
23:29you don't have partners yet. uh maybe
23:32the newest thing that that many of you
23:34don't know about it yet and
23:35unfortunately it's not open yet so I
23:37can't give you a link to to start
23:39applying but it's actually a program
23:41that we have been working on our colle
23:43colleagues in in Brussels mostly uh for
23:46for a while already also because the if
23:49you if you don't know the background the
23:51the current multi-annual financial
23:53framework the MFF is ending so 2027 will
23:56be the last year so we we managed to
24:00kind of flexely
24:01be flexible on the funding and there was
24:04a uh opportunity to do a little bit more
24:06than we were planning uh because there
24:08was we found flexibility there and uh a
24:12program that has been announced is
24:14agile. It's 115 million. It's only for
24:18one year. So it will be quite only one
24:20time but we are really trying to uh test
24:23this faster application for the next MF
24:26to maybe do it even even five times more
24:29or even more. Let's see the opening date
24:33should be January February 2027. So
24:36early next year we will give very short
24:39time for the for the industry to apply
24:41and it would be open for Ukraine and the
24:44EU side equally. Uh about three months
24:47to apply uh we want to go with a very
24:50fast board decision. So we're talking
24:52about um weeks not months. Uh let's see
24:55how it works out. And the projects will
24:57be 1 to 5 million. So we're really
24:59covering kind of all aspects, not only
25:00giving 100,000 or 500,000 or one to 5
25:03million. I think it's it's a very
25:04interesting for for a lot of companies.
25:07And the goal is to really find about 20
25:0930 35 uh strong projects uh to give this
25:13money for and activity should be
25:15finalized already in a year ideally or
25:18let's say two years maximum if needed.
25:20So this is something to expect and uh it
25:23will be open again. I can't promise you
25:26the the details fully but uh with the
25:28goal is to open it also for single
25:30beneficiaries. So you can come alone but
25:32we very much encourage Ukraine EU
25:35partnerships. So it it will be
25:37opportunities uh to to to work together
25:40and all of what I'm saying is pretty
25:42much that if you don't have partners
25:44right now it's it's a very very kind of
25:47last time to really work on this uh
25:48because many of the new programs will
25:51require it and we we really want to give
25:54money if it's if it's worth the kind of
25:56both sides effort with this uh run
25:59through of the program programs I will
26:02uh conclude right now and I'm happy to
26:04have a further discussions later on And
26:06if any time if you have questions uh
26:08reach out to me or this our functional
26:10mail book box actually on the
26:12participants listers Frederick Schuman
26:14also my my new colleague he will be in K
26:16even more than than me. So if you see
26:18him around definitely ask about our
26:20programs and we are happy to support.
26:22Thank you. Thank you very much, Martin.
26:56Fore
27:05technology.
27:17Denisch.
27:34Mhm. forch.
29:07Where is it?
29:23Uh, the next question
30:03Cluster.
30:38for
31:01productive.
31:35for
32:02supply chain.
32:58software hardware
33:03drones.
33:54Tactical techn
37:22for
37:50analytics.
37:53with
38:10whatever.
38:30for
38:47instrument.
38:59Uh,
39:27ecosystem.
40:26Intro.
40:36Fore
41:02cluster talks.
41:33Hello colleagues. Uh I'm trying to share
41:37now the screen. Um,
41:41Microsoft enter screen.
41:54Uh, can you see it?
41:56>> Not yet.
41:59>> Okay.
42:07Um, Alexandra, maybe you share it if if
42:11possible.
42:11>> Okay, no problem.
42:13>> Thank you so much.
42:14>> No problem.
42:16>> I can share
42:19this
42:22one.
42:24>> Yes, exactly. Thank you so much.
42:26>> All right. So um our alliance of
42:30innovation space clusters is uh the
42:32umbrella organization for five uh
42:35Ukrainian our space uh clusters. It
42:38exists since um 2022 while the eldest uh
42:44cluster in our ecosystem exists uh since
42:47um 2016.
42:50And um we do unite um more than 140 uh
42:57members of uh the
42:59predominantly Ukrainian ecosystem that
43:02are active in space tech primarily. that
43:05used to be our DNA but now more and more
43:09um engaged with uh dual use
43:11technologies, defense technologies and
43:14our space and um well basically we
43:18concentrate a lot these days on the
43:20development of aerospace capabilities.
43:24So um as we've uh gripped with uh Dennis
43:29and the core uh conference organizers I
43:33will be concentrating more on the gaps
43:36that's
43:38had not been discussed
43:41uh by my predecessors
43:44and uh that are actually been bridged uh
43:48by us uh in in the course of realizing
43:51the European clusters for drone
43:53innovation.
43:54uh projects which is being supported by
43:58the European Commission uh and uh COSME.
44:03Um so basically we are working a lot on
44:06the uh certification industrialization
44:09and commercialization gaps.
44:13So first and foremost and it had already
44:16been mentioned by my colleagues uh the
44:21uh Ukrainian companies uh are developing
44:24u uh
44:27very efficient prototypes. They do have
44:30uh competitive edge in uh in testing uh
44:35at the battlefield. they do have u the
44:39benefit of uh quick iterations and
44:42iterating with uh the end users who are
44:45extremely proficient and u uh it's all
44:49done uh in the course of extremely
44:51intensive warfare
44:54um that's definitely the the benefit but
44:57uh while we are discussing the the
45:00global European market so to say which
45:02includes Ukraine but uh goes far beyond
45:06Ukraine Of course we we have to develop
45:10the mechanisms to bring those vessels so
45:13to say together uh to make them
45:15interconnected and to open up the
45:19European markets to the uh Ukrainian
45:22companies and vice versa Ukrainian
45:24markets to to the European European
45:27companies. To do that we we have to
45:29bridge the gaps of as I said
45:31certification and uh uh validation uh
45:35certification um commercialization and
45:38industrialization. So uh what uh we do
45:43for that as I've uh said we uh do unites
45:48pretty diverse
45:50uh
45:52population in in our ecosystem. uh it's
45:55manufacturers, it's the RTO's, research
45:58and technological organizations also
46:02public um institutions and some of them
46:05are uh regulators uh who are developing
46:08uh the rules or who are the procurers
46:13more and more the investors u and uh
46:16it's opening up on the European side
46:19because until a few years ago the
46:22European venture capital funds um banks
46:26and uh other financial institutions used
46:29to be pretty shy on investing in uh um
46:33dual use technologies not to say not to
46:36mention uh defense technologies. we are
46:39actually bringing them all all together
46:42and um with regard to international uh
46:45marketing uh that's uh
46:48the one of the primary gaps we we are
46:53now uh trying to close because u uh what
46:57we develop in the course of u our
47:00European cluster for drone alliance uh
47:02for drone innovations uh is um uh the
47:08toolkit
47:10uh for our SMMES who are part of uh our
47:15program
47:16uh and will spread spread it up of
47:20course uh among u the the rest of the
47:23Europeanmes in in due d course is the
47:27way to uh to sell in uh the
47:33highly partitioned and uh also highly um
47:39exclusive uh European uh European
47:42markets because um for for decades uh
47:46the uh national markets in the European
47:50countries for defense and dual use
47:52products uh had been um had been uh kept
47:56away uh from uh the single market
47:59regulations. they had not been part of
48:01uh the liberalization envelopes and uh
48:06this year's uh starting from 2023 2024
48:12uh after the eruption of the Russian
48:14Ukrainian war once Europe had realized
48:16uh the necessity to ensure its own
48:21security and develop its own uh secure
48:25uh production uh chain production and
48:27supply uh chains. um
48:31the the regulation had uh become highly
48:35uh highly intrusive and highly
48:38interventionist. So we are actually
48:41developing uh the toolkits uh and
48:44provide them to to ourmemes on how to
48:47navigate uh those uh those uh inter
48:50interventionist
48:52rules and how to to navigate those
48:55markets that are still far from uh the
48:58single one and uh that are still highly
49:01uh highly partitioned but at the same
49:03time do have tendency to to become
49:06single uh in u in defense and jewel
49:08those technologies.
49:11Um now uh uh we uh we are actually uh
49:19taking our uh our grantees and the
49:23thememes that are part of uh our program
49:26through that marketing uh readiness
49:28ladder. So we actually uh not only uh
49:32not only go with them uh uh alongside
49:37the technological uh readiness level
49:40because uh we normally work with uh
49:42companies that have uh high end of TRL
49:465. So we bring them one step further TRL
49:51uh 6, TRL 7 or uh TL 8. And well
49:56actually uh I'm I'm closing uh here to
50:00uh to
50:02say that uh
50:05uh we are also uh currently establishing
50:09the panuropean uh innovation drone
50:12alliance. Uh information on uh that's um
50:17uh innovation drone alliance will be
50:22available soon on our websites. It is
50:25already available on the website of the
50:28European cluster uh for drone
50:30innovations. uh it will be open for uh
50:34for uh both national clusters uh in
50:39defense and outer space domain and uh
50:42companies individual companies. So I'm
50:45uh inviting you to to join uh to join it
50:48and um well I would also uh be inviting
50:54you to contact me in case uh you need
50:57any uh specific matchmaking supports. uh
51:02where information on the aerospace ends
51:06UAV AIdriven systems in Ukraine which is
51:10our niche in in the big um dual use
51:14technologies and defense ecosystem.
51:16Thank you so much for your attention and
51:19thanks Alexander for for helping me with
51:22the presentation.
51:23>> Thank you.
51:50I space valley
51:53French aerospace valley and aerospace
51:57cluster Spain uh slesian aerospace
52:01cluster and uh our u Ukrainian uh space
52:05deck cluster alliance.
52:09mechanism
52:35gap. Perhaps
53:04better in English or in Ukrainian.
53:06up to you.
53:08>> Okay. I don't know how much we have
53:10audience European or Ukrainians. Okay.
53:14Uh
53:25Foreign
53:29speech. Foreign speech. Foreign speech.
53:39Foreign speech. Foreign speech. Foreign
53:40speech.
53:50Fore
54:09Martin nice to see you one more time. So
54:12it's usually your your support is
54:14tremendous. I mean from um defense
54:17innovation
54:20initiatives.
54:31Foreign
54:37speech. Foreign speech. Foreign speech.
54:47Fore!
54:49Foreign! Foreign!
55:19foroper.
56:21Yeah. Yeah.
56:57Electronic sensor
57:00system
57:06warfare.
57:48certific Fore
58:00system engineer
58:03systematform
58:34systematic
58:54is done.
58:56Foreign
59:06system,
59:21electronic warfare,
59:46foreign.
1:00:12Super.
1:00:25Fore! Foreign! Foreign!
1:00:50Ukraine defense company.
1:01:22Defense cluster.
1:01:46Yeah.
1:02:04Cross industry.
1:02:11Fusion
1:02:28industrial scaling up.
1:02:42Absolut.
1:03:32That's
1:03:45certific. forchech.
1:04:22Scaling up.
1:04:40minister
1:04:52challenge.
1:05:12for
1:05:42complex for
1:06:09transform technology.
1:06:45Correct.
1:07:00Mhm.
1:08:03possible that I will give you the word
1:08:05after the Ministry of Defense. Yeah,
1:08:08super
1:08:13Foreign
1:08:16speech. Foreign speech. Foreign speech.
1:09:16foreignch.
1:09:50What's chain of
1:11:10Chain of comments.
1:12:03materials.
1:12:17Okay. I just would like to ask you for
1:12:19our European colleagues uh because you
1:12:22said that you you are the department
1:12:25inside the armed forces who is helping
1:12:28to analyze what exist in the on the
1:12:32battlefield or not only in the
1:12:34battlefield what you could propose to
1:12:36the armed forces and you could provide
1:12:38the feedback. Could you a little bit
1:12:40explain more to our European colleagues
1:12:42uh what is the procedure in detail? So
1:12:45for example, if European colleagues
1:12:47would like to propose something for
1:12:49Ukraine, so how they have to proceed,
1:12:53>> it's way for ministry of defense first
1:12:55of all and for
1:12:58our international departments because
1:13:02now it's pro problem because u it's our
1:13:06rules.
1:13:07>> Uh second one
1:13:09>> export controls. You mean export
1:13:10controls? uh not only export controls we
1:13:13have a international department in
1:13:16ministry of defense international
1:13:18department in armed forces of Ukraine
1:13:21it's two levels of one chain and uh if
1:13:26we must or can uh inter interoper be
1:13:31interoperable with eur European
1:13:34colleagues it's the way only one way for
1:13:37armed forces of Ukraine and ministry of
1:13:40defense
1:13:41because they are
1:13:43>> do do you have any current urgent need
1:13:46what you would expect to support from
1:13:49European Union from European companies?
1:13:52uh this not forum for for our needs
1:13:58because we uh have a chain of command
1:14:00for this uh task
1:14:03>> and we have
1:14:06units for this
1:14:08>> and I'm not responsible for this don't
1:14:12have uh an authority for this way
1:14:16>> sharing this information okay but in
1:14:18your mind
1:14:19>> you understand that's responsible only
1:14:22for weapons systems in armed forces of
1:14:25Ukraine.
1:14:26>> But based on your experience,
1:14:30do you see that if for example Europeans
1:14:33could do something one two three so it
1:14:35would help you uh with the product which
1:14:38you are testing? So could you give some
1:14:41ideas regarding that? Do you have some
1:14:42expectations for your particular
1:14:44direction from European companies?
1:14:47uh yes we need creation for uh simple
1:14:52mechan mechanism for this uh process
1:14:56because now it's uh on one hand we have
1:15:00a simple way but it's uh not in our laws
1:15:04and rules and we have long way it's
1:15:08international departments it's ministry
1:15:11of defense it's general stuff uh as fact
1:15:15is uh informal and formal ways but uh
1:15:20I'm representative representative of
1:15:23formal way because
1:15:25>> okay I'm
1:15:26>> representative of general staff yes
1:15:30>> clear thank you Alexander uh so just to
1:15:32summarize as I understand the point is
1:15:34that uh we need to squeeze the term of
1:15:37provisioning something because this is
1:15:39the uh change of demand are very very
1:15:42quick so it means that European
1:15:44companies has to have a very high
1:15:45agility to react and that's what form
1:15:48one point of expectation. The second
1:15:50topic you mentioned that's expert
1:15:51control and simplification of the way of
1:15:54collaboration in that case we can much
1:15:56more quickly react to the request rather
1:15:58than today. So if I could summarize
1:16:00that.
1:16:01>> Yes. Uh we have uh some mechanized for
1:16:05this way but only with NATO is SAT and
1:16:11JK JT joint on training communication
1:16:15center but with Ukra European Union we
1:16:18have a YAM
1:16:20European Union mission military
1:16:23assistance with Ukraine but it's uh only
1:16:29long way now.
1:16:31>> Okay. Yeah,
1:16:32>> in most in informal way it's only long
1:16:36way now like that
1:16:38>> it's our problem but
1:16:42>> do you collaborate with some scientific
1:16:43institutions with some kind of
1:16:45laboratory or not you just collaborate
1:16:48with the final product manufacturer
1:16:52>> as fact no
1:16:53>> okay clear
1:16:56um collaborate with NATO institutions as
1:17:00rule is all common transformations.
1:17:04It's jal gentleman lessons analysis
1:17:07lessons learn center and jc it's
1:17:12>> our official
1:17:15>> thank you um thank you very much for
1:17:17your participation I would like to pass
1:17:19the word to Martin uh Martin if I can
1:17:22ask your um your gaps a list of gap from
1:17:26your point of view because first of all
1:17:29uh thanks a lot for participating in uh
1:17:31and provide pro provision for Ukraine a
1:17:33lot of support in EI deface innovation
1:17:36area and also if you can elaborate based
1:17:39already on your cooperation with Ukraine
1:17:41uh so where you see the gaps between
1:17:44Ukraine you EU cooperation what could be
1:17:46the core focus by now
1:17:48>> mhm
1:17:49>> so let me actually start with with a
1:17:51comment on something uh that was already
1:17:53discussed here
1:17:56mentioned it also
1:17:57>> the the need to have a kind of clear
1:17:59understanding of let's say uh
1:18:02standardization or certification
1:18:04from the EU side. This is a very
1:18:06interesting topic because actually there
1:18:07is almost no standards from the EU side
1:18:12of for example drones, unmanned crown
1:18:15systems. It's not fully true. Of course,
1:18:18there are quality standards for the
1:18:20production. There are quality standards
1:18:21for doing uh different um kind of new
1:18:24technologies, electronical components
1:18:26and so on. So subco components level yes
1:18:29they exist but actually for the whole
1:18:31systems often they don't exist. So, so
1:18:33the the statement of uh of kind of uh EU
1:18:38or NATO standards are higher than
1:18:40Ukraine, it's not fully true because uh
1:18:43to be honest, every individual country
1:18:45in Europe, all the EU member states,
1:18:48they can buy almost whatever they want.
1:18:51So, Finland, Estonia, Portugal, Italy,
1:18:54all of them can buy based on different
1:18:56requirements. Uh and this is a kind of a
1:18:59good thing and a bad thing. Of course,
1:19:00it would be great uh if I can share you
1:19:03one link of hey, go on that page. These
1:19:06are the requirements that your
1:19:08technology or your product has to kind
1:19:10of comply with and this now you can sell
1:19:12to everyone.
1:19:14Yes, it kind of exists. There are some
1:19:16some common ones, but very often it's
1:19:18actually depends fully on the member
1:19:21state and what they want to write in
1:19:23there. How kind of can they do they want
1:19:25to have little bit more kind of security
1:19:27on I don't know what cyber or or some
1:19:30some parts and and and what not what I'm
1:19:33getting at is actually this is actually
1:19:35very flexible still because a lot of
1:19:37that technology is very very new and if
1:19:40you talk about NATO standards usually
1:19:42NATO standards are decided to become a
1:19:46standard about four five years after the
1:19:49implementation. So Ukraine is way ahead
1:19:52of all of that right now. So what I
1:19:54really encourage you to do is uh is to
1:19:56go of course to to details of any
1:19:59individual procurement from those
1:20:00countries and see what the requirements
1:20:03are. But often they don't say that it
1:20:05has to be I don't know ISO 9,000
1:20:07something or it's it's enough if you're
1:20:10outside of EU that you explain them how
1:20:12do you do things and you can actually
1:20:14provide them the the product. So don't
1:20:18be too worried about the actual
1:20:20standardization. Uh be be kind of
1:20:23proactive and try to find out and it
1:20:27might be the case that it's actually not
1:20:28as as bad as you you you were afraid of.
1:20:32uh with the with other topic that was
1:20:34discussed uh and if I take the
1:20:37perspective of European companies
1:20:39actually a huge issue is testing because
1:20:42uh again coming to the new technology um
1:20:46drones electronical warfare chambers uh
1:20:49radars a lot of these things in for
1:20:52example central Europe you cannot even
1:20:54test it means that there is uh uh no
1:20:57military field big enough away from
1:21:00civilian infrastructure that you can
1:21:02actually turn on chambers on full power
1:21:05for example or or even fly long
1:21:07distance. So these kind of things uh are
1:21:10very very uncommon to to have in in many
1:21:13European countries and it's it's a huge
1:21:15problem for the Europe because uh how we
1:21:18can develop them if we can't even test
1:21:20them and of course we fully understand
1:21:22the requirements from Ukraine that these
1:21:25things pretty much we need to send a new
1:21:27version every two weeks every two months
1:21:30depending on technology uh but European
1:21:32companies don't have the flexibility
1:21:35because they have to apply let's say
1:21:37Netherlands or Belgium like I I'm today
1:21:39I'm in Brussels. If I want to test
1:21:42something here, I need to apply I don't
1:21:44know maybe six months ahead of time to
1:21:46get all the uh communication channels
1:21:48and all of this. So this is something
1:21:51that I think Ukraine has a very very
1:21:54good position and a lot of European
1:21:57programs and projects will be looking
1:21:59for these possibilities. they're right
1:22:01now testing in Nordics or in Baltics
1:22:03where there are kind of a little bit
1:22:05more flexible rules but even there there
1:22:08are some things it's it's not possible
1:22:10to do. So I think always when you talk
1:22:12with with European partners talk about
1:22:15these possibilities and they you will be
1:22:18surprised how eager they are to to
1:22:20really come to Ukraine and uh and do
1:22:22those tests here and I think that's
1:22:24that's something we will see for many
1:22:26years still to to really the Europeans
1:22:28trying to use this possibility as much
1:22:30as as you allow in a way u and I would
1:22:33actually keep it to to this and
1:22:35unfortunately I need to leave in a
1:22:36couple of minutes but Frederick my
1:22:38colleague will will remain can uh
1:22:41continue the discussion from from our
1:22:42side still and uh I'm happy to see you
1:22:45in the in the next days also. Thank you.
1:22:48>> Yeah, thank you Martin. So just to
1:22:49summarize as as you mentioned the
1:22:51aligning with standardization and also
1:22:53testing access for European companies uh
1:22:56and uh you know for each version and
1:22:58quick upgrade uh with the feedback. So
1:23:00that's a crucial rule for European
1:23:02companies as I understand. Just would
1:23:04like to mention that yeah what we
1:23:06working with so we work with lot of
1:23:07scientific institutions first. So we try
1:23:09to align Ukrainian academ of science and
1:23:11Ukrainian scientific labs capability
1:23:13with European labs capabilities and
1:23:15thanks to also your funding and blended
1:23:17financing possibility you know where we
1:23:19can really upgrade that the point for
1:23:22example yesterday just a short moment
1:23:24and I allow you to leave yesterday we
1:23:27had in the parliament of UK here in
1:23:28London so big discussion regarding
1:23:30Ukrainian drone industry so within 2025
1:23:32we're doubling production you know
1:23:34currently last year it was $55 billion
1:23:37production and That means that almost we
1:23:40have like a 30% which we can also expert
1:23:43outside but the question of for to to
1:23:46align standardization and expert control
1:23:48first of all we need to build trust and
1:23:50that's a question but we need to
1:23:52probably communicate better between each
1:23:54other I mean Ukrainians and uh uh
1:23:56Europeans because each of us think that
1:23:59we will you know u extract IP from each
1:24:03other not legally and this is the
1:24:06concern what we have between Ukraine
1:24:09EU, Ukraine, UK and that's what we need
1:24:13somehow to build better you know how we
1:24:15can really open that kind of
1:24:17collaboration and say okay guys if for
1:24:18example European companies would like to
1:24:21test something so just try to find where
1:24:23is the Ukrainian place not just you know
1:24:25to field on the battlefield to die for
1:24:27that testing and to give you back but
1:24:29also you know you need to value that
1:24:31Ukrainian feedback and part find the
1:24:33part of Ukraine's in that product the
1:24:35same Ukrainians when they deliver
1:24:36something to European union try to find
1:24:39for example place for the component of
1:24:40European companies right so for their
1:24:43interests we need to find that win-win
1:24:45and I guess that's what we are lacking
1:24:46today and if through blending financing
1:24:48we can find that way I think we can
1:24:50build much more higher trust as as it
1:24:53was before thank you Martin for your
1:24:54time and thanks for everyone
1:24:57yeah I will allow you to leave Alexander
1:25:00we have any more time or we have to move
1:25:02>> no we should go to the next part but
1:25:04yeah I think it's yeah
1:25:06>> okay I guess we can summarize
1:25:08>> many interesting moment and thank you
1:25:09Nadia for this moderation and for this
1:25:12discussion. So now we move to the next
1:25:14>> thank you to all my colleagues to P
1:25:16Alexander to also again and yeah let's
1:25:21check to
1:25:24>> uh thank you very much. Uh so now we
1:25:26move to the next u next point sorry so
1:25:29it will be like discussion work in uh in
1:25:33breakout room. So for people who um who
1:25:37prefer this topic alien missile defense
1:25:40you stay in this uh this planner uh room
1:25:43you you don't you don't move. Yeah. For
1:25:46the next two group who prefer uh this
1:25:48topic like cross domain capability gaps
1:25:51uh autonomy system electronic warfare
1:25:54and so on. So all beside of air missile
1:25:58defense uh you go to the breakout room a
1:26:03A2 and for those uh cluster people or
1:26:07policy maker who are interested by
1:26:09cooperation mechanism you go to A3
1:26:13if it's clear so how we now we uh yeah
1:26:18we split by different group so please
1:26:21choose your uh your room so the room you
1:26:25find in the breakout room. It's like in
1:26:28menu. It should be
1:26:49breakout rooms.
1:26:51>> Oh yeah, join breakout rooms. If you if
1:26:53you put uh three point this uh in in the
1:26:57menu button menu, you see uh then join
1:27:01breakout room and then you just choose
1:27:02two or three. But if you prefer a um
1:27:07defense system, you stay here. You you
1:27:09don't move.
1:27:10Yeah. So, please uh let's go.
1:28:28Should
1:28:53we start?
1:28:57>> Yeah. Hi.
1:28:59Uh well, I think uh we may start not to
1:29:03not to lose time. Um hello everybody.
1:29:07For those who u missed me uh maybe
1:29:10during the first part of u today's
1:29:13conference or webinar my name is Yen
1:29:16Rakitiskam the co-chairman of the board
1:29:19of the all Ukrainian union of uh
1:29:21innovation space clusters and also
1:29:25member of the steering committee of the
1:29:27European cluster for drone innovations
1:29:30and uh this uh panel or breakout room
1:29:36will be dedicated to closing the gaps,
1:29:40bridging the gaps. that's um we
1:29:43currently observe uh in the counter UAS
1:29:47um systems or I would put it even wider
1:29:53uh in counter missile and uh air defense
1:29:58uh systems. the the
1:30:02threats that are uh that are evident to
1:30:07uh Ukrainians are also becoming more and
1:30:10more obvious to uh to the Europeans.
1:30:14uh although on a much lower and sporadic
1:30:18uh scale I I would say but of course uh
1:30:22Ukraine does present uh in
1:30:26the bad sense of uh that words um a uh a
1:30:30playground that's
1:30:32uh demonstrates vividly uh all sorts of
1:30:37threats and um also allows to receive
1:30:41data sets on uh the sorts of damages and
1:30:45the the sheer amount of damages that
1:30:48could be caused and is being caused by
1:30:52by
1:30:54those uh those attacks. Uh so basically
1:31:01our panel today will will have five
1:31:04distinguished panelists. Um I'd like to
1:31:09uh start our today's discussion with uh
1:31:13Rasmus and Foundation Liza Hoderovska
1:31:16setting the the scene on uh on the
1:31:23on the sorts of threats and the uh the
1:31:28instruments uh the toolkit that's uh
1:31:32could be developed not only by the armed
1:31:34forces but also
1:31:36with the use of private sector. So she
1:31:40will be uh presenting uh presenting the
1:31:44uh study that's Rasmmanson Foundation
1:31:47has
1:31:49undertaken recently and published in
1:31:52August. Then the floor will be passed to
1:31:57uh to the representative of Sky Track
1:32:00Systems which is a practical case of
1:32:03Ukrainian private military company which
1:32:05is licensed to provides uh the uh the
1:32:10air defense services for critical
1:32:13infrastructure. Uh then uh we'll go into
1:32:17a very practical case uh of um the
1:32:22specific um air defense solution anti-
1:32:25drone air defense solution which had
1:32:27been developed in France by u and it
1:32:30will be presented by uh Mr. Jean Koga.
1:32:34Um, sorry if I misspell your your
1:32:37surname. And then u
1:32:40>> uh and then two more uh two more uh very
1:32:44practical pictures of uh the instruments
1:32:48uh that that could be that could be uh
1:32:52provided by our European partners in
1:32:55order to support uh the cooperation and
1:32:58in the development of counter US and
1:33:02your defense systems. to be presented by
1:33:04my uh colleagues Frans Julian from UNR
1:33:09uh and BL Crowfords uh uh who will be
1:33:14speaking on on Grail uh system. Uh so uh
1:33:18Liza or Lisa uh the floor is uh yours.
1:33:23Uh I suggest every speaker uh sticks to
1:33:27four minutes uh because we are very
1:33:29short. some of our time had been stolen
1:33:32by by the predecessors. So, four minutes
1:33:35max per speaker. So, Liza, the floor is
1:33:39yours.
1:33:40>> Perfect. Thank you very much, Yuhan. And
1:33:42uh good afternoon everyone. It's a it's
1:33:44a pleasure to be here and I I have my
1:33:46timer on so I'll try to stick to the
1:33:48time. Uh indeed, I'm with Rasmusen
1:33:50Global. We're a political consultancy
1:33:52firm operating around Europe founded by
1:33:54the former NATO secretary general and we
1:33:57have a team in KE working actively for
1:33:59the last four years mainly with the
1:34:01defense companies. However, uh I lead
1:34:04our work on protection of uh critical
1:34:06infrastructure with a big emphasis on
1:34:08energy infrastructure. And while we
1:34:10mostly work with defense companies, we
1:34:12see energy field as interrelated with
1:34:15the security and defense in any way. And
1:34:18we work hard to advocate for the subject
1:34:20that security and defense and uh active
1:34:24defense of the critical infrastructure
1:34:25has to be the point zero when thinking
1:34:28of any new infrastructure projects in
1:34:30Ukraine and thinking how to work with
1:34:32with the ones that are already operating
1:34:35across the country. And so less than a
1:34:37month ago, as um Yhan mentioned, we with
1:34:40the European Ukrainian Energy Agency, we
1:34:43published a study called Guarding the
1:34:45Grid, Private Air Defense for Ukraine's
1:34:47energy sector. The study is available
1:34:50online. I'll make sure to share it in
1:34:51the link, but basic link in the chat.
1:34:54But the study is based on the closed
1:34:56door discussion and follow-up
1:34:57conversations with the military,
1:34:59government, energy companies, both both
1:35:02private and state uh critical
1:35:04infrastructure operators. So basically
1:35:05the practitioners that I have an honor
1:35:07to speak um with uh on this session
1:35:10today. So basically my job is to make
1:35:15sure that we bring the right messages to
1:35:16the Europeans and help Ukrainians to put
1:35:19different Ukrainian stakeholders in one
1:35:20room to see where are the gaps. And
1:35:23since most of the speakers today will
1:35:25cover more more of a technical aspects
1:35:27in more detail, I would like to focus on
1:35:29what Ukraine has already done from the
1:35:30policy and regulatory standpoint uh on
1:35:33and how private sector today can support
1:35:36um the counter US efforts of the
1:35:38Ukrainian armed forces and protect the
1:35:40critical infrastructure. The starting
1:35:42point is that the passive protection
1:35:45absolutely is absolutely necessary but
1:35:47it's no longer sufficient and Ukraine
1:35:49has invested heavily in different types
1:35:51of physical protection. We have been
1:35:52looking that in much detail. I'm always
1:35:54happy to speak more about that. But
1:35:57because Russians are expanding the list
1:36:00of targets and the means by which they
1:36:02target the critical infrastructure,
1:36:04passive protection is not enough
1:36:05anymore. And now the companies are more
1:36:07and more looking into the active layers
1:36:09of protection. So Ukraine has gradually
1:36:12started developing a new layer of
1:36:14protection allowing critical
1:36:16infrastructure operators to invest their
1:36:19own resources into active protection.
1:36:22And by resources we mean both financial
1:36:24resources but also human resources. And
1:36:27importantly there is always there is
1:36:28already a legal framework to this. The
1:36:31key document is Cabinet of Ministers of
1:36:33Ukraine resolution number 1506 available
1:36:36online adapted in November 2025.
1:36:40It creates basically the legal basis for
1:36:42enterprises to establish air defense
1:36:44groups and engage authorized security
1:36:47providers while remaining integrated
1:36:49into the national air defense system.
1:36:52And this is very important to to an
1:36:55important distinction here because we're
1:36:57not talking about independent private
1:36:59air defense. Command and control fully
1:37:02remains under the armed forces of
1:37:04Ukraine. This is very important. This is
1:37:06the reinforcement of the existing system
1:37:08not a separate system that is being
1:37:10developed and what becomes private in
1:37:13this story is essentially part of the
1:37:14financing equipment personnel and
1:37:17service provision. The government then
1:37:19took another important step in March
1:37:212026 where they introduced a temporary
1:37:24mechanism allowing certain state-owned
1:37:26air defense assets and ammunition to be
1:37:29transferred to authorized enterprises
1:37:31for the use of protecting their critical
1:37:33infrastructure assets.
1:37:35And the model has already went beyond
1:37:37this legislation and I'm sure we will be
1:37:39hearing this from other speakers today.
1:37:41Uh so Ukraine has already a legal basis
1:37:45for private companies or state energy
1:37:48companies to operate their own private
1:37:50air defense groups. But though there is
1:37:53a legal basis in place, we have figured
1:37:56out with their stakeholder that there is
1:37:58a number of problems behind it. And we
1:38:00found out some practical gaps. So for
1:38:03example, companies entering this market
1:38:05still have to navigate the general some
1:38:07other of the legislation and there are
1:38:09some gaps where this legislation
1:38:11miscoordinates. Happy to talk more about
1:38:13that if you have questions. So it's very
1:38:17hard for the company to navigate in this
1:38:20everchanging flow and this matters
1:38:23because the market is already moving
1:38:25faster than the regulation. The need is
1:38:27high and our recommendation here was
1:38:30that to create another completely it's
1:38:32not about the creation of another
1:38:34completely separate system. It is to
1:38:36establish a dedicated and simplified
1:38:38licensing track for private air defense
1:38:40providers with clear requirements for
1:38:43their personnel equipment training
1:38:46certification and integration with the
1:38:48military command and control. The second
1:38:51big gap is financing. And this is the
1:38:53part of the study that we're actively
1:38:55bringing to our European partners
1:38:57because Ukraine and its partners are
1:39:00investing a lot of money into repairing
1:39:02and rebuilding energy infrastructure
1:39:04that is being targeted by Russia. But it
1:39:06is very hard to mobilize any new funding
1:39:08into the protecting measures when the
1:39:10project is being developed. So our main
1:39:13proposal here is to first define some of
1:39:15the um priority parts of the energy
1:39:18systems that international partners have
1:39:21to put money into and then to protect
1:39:23infrastructure from the scratch. While a
1:39:25lot of international partners are
1:39:27hesitant to put money into the active
1:39:29production, we see this as a tool to
1:39:30mobilize funding into the passive
1:39:32production. And uh the next and the
1:39:36biggest challenge and I think this will
1:39:38be the last the last one I mentioned
1:39:40here.
1:39:40>> Perfect.
1:39:40>> Yes.
1:39:42So this is basic well the bottom line
1:39:44here is that for Ukraine um we need to
1:39:49as much as possible simplify licensing
1:39:51expand training and certification create
1:39:54the integration between the existing
1:39:56systems that armed forces have and this
1:39:58new completely new legislation for the
1:40:01sake of protecting our infrastructure.
1:40:04Sorry I took a bit longest.
1:40:06>> No no it was perfect. Thank you so much.
1:40:08I wish I could have given you twice or
1:40:11thrice more time because uh what you say
1:40:14is extremely important. Um I will uh
1:40:17take u 3 minutes um uh to introduce a
1:40:21practical case uh which I promised to
1:40:24you. The uh the representatives of the
1:40:27skitrack systems uh were unable to join.
1:40:30So on their behalf, I will just briefly
1:40:33un unveil um very practical example of
1:40:36what LISA has just mentioned. It's a uh
1:40:40private military company that had been
1:40:42licensed by uh the ministry of defense
1:40:44of Ukraine according to that new
1:40:47procedure to to provide uh uh that sort
1:40:50of uh the services and uh basically the
1:40:54demand for the services from from their
1:40:56perspective is coming from uh the
1:41:00different uh uh threats profile for
1:41:03critical uh infrastructure, energy
1:41:05infrastructure than for uh for military
1:41:09objects so so to say and uh such sort of
1:41:12critical infrastructure are often times
1:41:15being hit by
1:41:17the low costs uh but uh high speeds uh
1:41:21high speeds UAVs. So the the the uh
1:41:25profile of uh the threats as I said is
1:41:27is different and it requires uh low cost
1:41:31scalable uh permanent uh solutions which
1:41:35could not be provided by the uh regular
1:41:39or classic uh air defense military means
1:41:43uh and that's uh brings into life uh
1:41:46those private military companies. The
1:41:48the the SkyRack is a nice combination of
1:41:53the proprietary
1:41:55uh hardware and software that had been
1:41:58developed uh inside the company and the
1:42:02proper military um and
1:42:06equipment uh that's been transferred
1:42:08from uh from uh the military units. uh
1:42:12for example the uh the
1:42:16and the ballistic uh missiles uh AI92
1:42:21uh which of course cannot be produced uh
1:42:24by by uh a private uh private uh company
1:42:28but on on balance uh they do have uh
1:42:31their uh own uh uh marine drones. they
1:42:38do have uh their own u uh soft
1:42:42integration software etc. uh so
1:42:45basically they're for example focusing
1:42:47on uh provision of services uh to uh to
1:42:51seap ports harbors critical
1:42:53infrastructure that's been based on on
1:42:56the seashore. Um uh and u that's
1:43:00actually a uh an example of a potential
1:43:04uh international cooperation because
1:43:05companies like that uh besides uh
1:43:08besides providing services inside
1:43:10Ukraine may also be instrumental in uh
1:43:14in uh uh bringing uh the best uh
1:43:18practice from the battlefield in in
1:43:21Ukraine or uh the highly uh disputable
1:43:25operational uh terrain in Ukraine to
1:43:28Europe and work there. It would be
1:43:31actually nice to hear the uh ideas of
1:43:35our European colleagues on how such
1:43:37companies may be licensed and brought
1:43:40into operation in the European
1:43:41jurisdictions. So uh having said that I
1:43:44would be uh available uh to share
1:43:48presentation of that company on the
1:43:50request uh basis. you uh may write to me
1:43:54directly and I will be able to uh
1:43:56provide uh you with a presentation of
1:43:59that's uh that company uh andor bring in
1:44:02touch with uh with them. Uh now I'm
1:44:06passing uh the floor to u Mr. Jean Goon
1:44:12uh who will present u the solution his
1:44:16company uh has developed uh to detect uh
1:44:19the uh UAVs, FPVs uh that are uh using
1:44:27fiber
1:44:28fiber optics and uh that do provides uh
1:44:32very substantive threats on the
1:44:34Ukrainian battlefield and also in the
1:44:37regions and areas that are close to to
1:44:41battlefield because uh Russian fiber
1:44:43optics is uh now
1:44:48uh being used for distances up to 40
1:44:52kilometers. So uh Jean uh the floor is
1:44:55yours.
1:44:57>> Hello. Hello everyone. Do you hear me?
1:45:01>> Yes.
1:45:02>> Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Uh let me share
1:45:04my screen.
1:45:10Okay. Do you see my screen now? I think
1:45:15>> Yes.
1:45:16>> Okay. Uh so thank you everyone. I am
1:45:19very pleased to be here. My name is
1:45:21Jean. Um from Paris and I lead Coperns
1:45:27and fine artists. uh one company but two
1:45:30brand uh dedicated to uh physical AI and
1:45:34uh G use solution base for defense techn
1:45:39uh industry and also uh yeah civil
1:45:43civilian application.
1:45:45So let me start with a simple simple
1:45:49observation.
1:45:51Uh today the drone treats is evolving
1:45:54faster than our defense acquisition
1:45:57cycle.
1:45:59What we
1:46:02see in Ukraine is now is not a war of
1:46:06drone. It is a war of adaptation
1:46:10um sensing decision making and speed.
1:46:15And the question is no longer
1:46:18can we detect a drone but the real
1:46:22question is uh can we understand what is
1:46:26happening and uh determine to determine
1:46:30the real level and act before the adver
1:46:34adversary and uh enemy adapt agents. It
1:46:39is why uh in my company uh we decide to
1:46:43to act uh in other ways at copan lab and
1:46:47turnup finics we are now building
1:46:51toomics a
1:46:54multimodel passive platform for realtime
1:46:57treat understanding at the edge
1:47:01how we do that it is simple we combine
1:47:04passive acoustic sensing optical camera
1:47:08and infrared and passive RF radio
1:47:11frequency
1:47:14behavioral approach uh engine. That
1:47:18means we can uh detect classify uh like
1:47:22um chemicals and other type of drone
1:47:27give answer uh in term of output.
1:47:33Yeah. uh to attack and coot uh alert
1:47:36system that will help uh to be more
1:47:42resilient and to receive alert in less
1:47:45half of millisecond.
1:47:48Why we choose to do multiodality?
1:47:52because um the next generation of
1:47:56streets will
1:47:58will be airf silent low altitude
1:48:02navigate in term of autonomous and uh we
1:48:08notified that a single uh sensor will
1:48:11not be enough. Instead of asking do you
1:48:15see a drone, we will now or we are now
1:48:19asking
1:48:21what is this object doing? How danger is
1:48:24it and what does the operator need to
1:48:29know real? Um
1:48:32right now sorry
1:48:36the technology we are now building is
1:48:39not a concept because it is validate. We
1:48:42are at TL7
1:48:44deployed in critical infrastructure in
1:48:47French year since uh two years and we
1:48:50got some validation from
1:48:53um institution like AIC accelerator uh
1:48:58NOS and uh and socom and do programs.
1:49:05But the problem is not only the
1:49:08technology. The technology alone is not
1:49:11enough. We need an European ecosystem
1:49:15capable of moving from operational
1:49:18challenge innovation and field testing,
1:49:21procurement in a industrial case scale
1:49:26in week not a
1:49:29not simply connecting company but
1:49:32accelerating the feedback loop between
1:49:35the battlefield battlefield and the
1:49:38laboratory. For that we identify three
1:49:42prioritize.
1:49:43The first one is u
1:49:46uh open and interoperable operable
1:49:49sensor vision. No more isolate as
1:49:53actually we noticed. The second one is
1:49:56AIdriven behavioral understanding
1:49:59detecting detect because detection is a
1:50:02commodity now
1:50:06and understanding
1:50:08this gap is a real uh competitive
1:50:11advantage. And the last one is rapid
1:50:14operational validation with Ukrainian
1:50:16partner because a technology that take 3
1:50:20years to adapt will not be uh enough
1:50:24because uh it will be obsolete
1:50:29and
1:50:31>> thank you so much.
1:50:33I think your presentation is an
1:50:37excellent pitch for uh the potential
1:50:40cooperation with the Ukrainian partners.
1:50:42I would be and colleagues here will be
1:50:45happy to assist you uh and facilitate
1:50:48your contacts with the Ukrainian
1:50:50colleagues uh for for the consortium for
1:50:53creating the consortium. So I think uh
1:50:55we'll meet again uh face to face uh or
1:51:00um in in in zoom just just to stage a
1:51:04separate uh discussion on that. Thank
1:51:06you so much for the presentation and
1:51:08yeah keep connected. Yes,
1:51:11>> absolutely by all means thanks indeed.
1:51:15I'm passing uh passing uh now the floor
1:51:17to France Yin who is the CEO and founder
1:51:21of uh uncrrews uh to
1:51:25present a very practical opportunity for
1:51:29Ukrainian and European uh colleagues. So
1:51:33Franu the the floor is yours.
1:51:36>> Hello uh Gene and thanks for for having
1:51:39me. uh in a previous presentation
1:51:41somebody talked about the official
1:51:43channels of uh of getting to know each
1:51:47other of cooperating with Ukrainian
1:51:50companies and European companies and I'm
1:51:52here to present the other kind of
1:51:55channels the other way of cooperating
1:51:57aside from all the splendid European
1:52:00mechanism and if I can share my screen
1:52:05that's always miracle going on yes I And
1:52:12so uh basically our goal is uh is to go
1:52:16from challenges to uh to capabilities
1:52:19and to bridge the yman gap as we
1:52:21perceived it in Europe. I could say
1:52:24human gaps plural because as we can see
1:52:26there are several of them. Uh let me
1:52:29just talk a little bit about myself. Um,
1:52:35I don't come from
1:52:39You don't. Hold on.
1:52:42Okay, let me go back to that. How about
1:52:45now?
1:52:47>> Yes, we can.
1:52:49>> So,
1:52:50>> let me uh Well, so basically we are
1:52:54Uncrude. We are an initiative to uh
1:52:56bridge the yman gap in Europe by
1:52:59bringing together uh uh builders,
1:53:02solutions providers and decision makers.
1:53:05Uh of course there's a story behind
1:53:07that. Uh in 2022 I was uh the head of
1:53:11the Mipal network. For those who don't
1:53:13know, Mipal is a leading European uh B2B
1:53:17event dedicated to uh state homeland
1:53:20security and and uh enterprise security.
1:53:24And I was mentioning uh with the start
1:53:26of the war in Ukraine that there's
1:53:28something that we need to keep an eye on
1:53:30and uh well sometimes the uh uh vision
1:53:34fails to take uh hold and uh I left
1:53:39Millipol with the strong uh will to uh
1:53:43to help facilitate
1:53:46uh the innovation and the growth of uh
1:53:49of unmanned solution for all the small
1:53:52uh French and European and companies
1:53:55that are producing US, UGS, USV and also
1:53:59every uh system brick that is necessary
1:54:02to uh uh to make them work. We don't
1:54:05what we don't want to be is another B2G
1:54:08or B2B drone show. There are several of
1:54:10them that are very good. There's no need
1:54:12to to add one of them. But what we want
1:54:15is to recognize the grassroot innovation
1:54:18and dialogue. uh that is essentially uh
1:54:22one of the reason uh that helped uh
1:54:24Ukraine uh resist and uh and hold the
1:54:28ground uh in front of Russia because as
1:54:31we all know of the the way the Ukrainian
1:54:34units are innovating at a very fast pace
1:54:38it doesn't take six months it doesn't
1:54:40take two years it takes three weeks from
1:54:42the basic idea or from the recognition
1:54:45of a challenge on the battlefield to
1:54:47find a solution and we want to be
1:54:49inspired by this uh by this speed, by
1:54:52this grassroot innovation in order to
1:54:55help Ukrainian companies meet French
1:54:57partners in order to me to help French
1:55:00and European uh companies meet Ukrainian
1:55:04end users. So basically what what are we
1:55:08uh quite uh practically we are creating
1:55:12uh
1:55:14an event that is called uncrude uh um uh
1:55:18one to one days and uh we should view it
1:55:21as a as a created bubble uh taking part
1:55:24from the 18th to the 20th of May 20 2011
1:55:28in an army base just outside Paris.
1:55:31That's for the confidentiality and the
1:55:34security of the event. So, uh it's
1:55:36basically three things. First thing is a
1:55:39semiopen dialogue day. We open behind
1:55:43closed door in order to ensure the
1:55:45quality of uh of the sharing and
1:55:48somebody mentioned also the uh
1:55:50everything about IP protection. That's
1:55:53also part of it. uh we do uh rely
1:55:57heavily on uh on the meeting because we
1:56:00believe that it's okay to meet uh during
1:56:02an event and talk for five minutes and
1:56:05share a drink and and and talk later in
1:56:08a in a bus. But what what we want to do
1:56:11is is you to be able to interact to uh
1:56:14to really get to know uh all the your
1:56:17future stakeholders. So that's the 25
1:56:19minutes business meeting parts and we
1:56:22want to be hands-on. We don't want to be
1:56:24another prospective meeting. We want to
1:56:27provide solution. We want to provide
1:56:29leads and we have been identifying five
1:56:33tracks that we've been uh uh dealing
1:56:36with uh in half day workshops. The first
1:56:39one is building. Second one is
1:56:40augmenting, scaling, financing and of
1:56:44course selling. Uh just an anecdote,
1:56:46each time I'm visiting uh companies
1:56:49outside from France, I'm being told the
1:56:51same thing. The French army only buys uh
1:56:55with French companies. That is actually
1:56:57not true. There are some companies
1:56:59including one at least Ukrainian one
1:57:01that is selling to uh to the French
1:57:04government. So yes, it can happen but
1:57:06there's a way to do that. So that's what
1:57:08we want to uh to share with the
1:57:11companies that are coming to us. So who
1:57:14will be attending? We expect 400
1:57:16attendees, 200 defense and security
1:57:19industry, 80 end users uh that are both
1:57:23decision makers and operators from of
1:57:27course predominantly from the French
1:57:30market. I should also include some uh
1:57:33partner countries from from uh subsaran
1:57:36Africa uh 15% of Ukrainian end users and
1:57:42uh the rest that will be 30% of European
1:57:45end users
1:57:47what what we understand with end user
1:57:50are armored forces of course homeland
1:57:52security custom border control but let's
1:57:55not forget that we also have been
1:57:58inviting investors that have been
1:58:00responding quite uh uh quite favorably
1:58:04uh quite warmly in a previous uh events
1:58:07that we have been doing this year and
1:58:09end of last year uh in order for for the
1:58:13companies that will choose to uh to go
1:58:15with us uh to meet some potential
1:58:18clients, some potential partners and
1:58:21some potential investors and that will
1:58:24be my last slide. uh the registration
1:58:27is opening at the end of the month. So
1:58:30feel free to contact me in order to uh
1:58:34uh to have some preview of what will be
1:58:37going on. And if I may conclude with
1:58:39just one uh proverb there's a saying
1:58:42that says that uh in this world at any
1:58:45given moment there are more and more
1:58:47people building walls and less and less
1:58:50people building bridges. and we want to
1:58:53be the ones that are building bridges
1:58:55not wall. Thank you very Thank you so
1:58:57much uh Frana uh for the excellent
1:59:01expose and presentation of u the event
1:59:04and the broader ecosystem that you are
1:59:06building and uh now I'd like to pass the
1:59:10floor to one more uh
1:59:13uh actually
1:59:16bridge builder uh BL uh Crowfords um I'm
1:59:21uh really anxious to to learn uh because
1:59:25uh I haven't seen the presentation uh
1:59:28your presentation myself. Um but uh you
1:59:32have like three to four minutes max to
1:59:35to to make it and of course uh that will
1:59:38open up uh the door for more contacts uh
1:59:42with you afterwards uh by the people
1:59:45present in this breakout room. So uh BL
1:59:50the floor is yours.
1:59:56BL.
1:59:59Uh well uh if BL is uh not here, I uh
2:00:06promise to receive uh his uh
2:00:09presentation
2:00:11and share it with uh all of you. uh
2:00:15perhaps uh in as much as we have uh two
2:00:19more days of uh this conference uh there
2:00:22will be a slot to to to be given to to
2:00:26BL uh either tomorrow or the day after
2:00:29tomorrow. So I'll get in touch with him
2:00:32and uh uh reconcile um reconcile that
2:00:37alternative slot.
2:00:40Thanks indeed. Um, now I'm passing the
2:00:44floor back to the organizers.
2:00:47Um, and we are
2:00:51right in time. Uh, I think for for the
2:00:55closure.
2:01:01>> Yeah, we have five more minutes for our
2:01:04uh breakout rooms to be closed. So maybe
2:01:08you can discuss something else here. All
2:01:11right.
2:01:11>> Before they come back.
2:01:12>> Yeah.
2:01:13>> Oh, I see here Alexander already.
2:01:19>> That's great. So, we have uh like three
2:01:22four minutes for for the discussion. Uh
2:01:24then uh uh maybe uh yeah uh any
2:01:28questions to to our speakers? Uh
2:01:34>> maybe Jean uh oh uh Frana. Yes. I would
2:01:38just like to to uh to give you some some
2:01:40update on on a French market because
2:01:43actually that's what we are here for. Uh
2:01:46French law has been changing at uh at
2:01:51the end of of the beginning of of this
2:01:53year. So now uh CO is becoming uh a
2:01:58possibility for private critical
2:02:01national infrastructure operators. uh
2:02:04before before that before 2026
2:02:07uh the control of the airspace belonged
2:02:10to the army and uh every uh every uh
2:02:14interception or every uh occurrence with
2:02:17drone flyings over nuclear power pool
2:02:20etc has to be has to be dealt through
2:02:24judiciary proceedings and now the law
2:02:27has been changing which is opening
2:02:29slowly a huge market for cos for
2:02:33critical national infrastructure. Of
2:02:35course, everything is not ready yet. The
2:02:37list of systems that are being allowed
2:02:40is not published yet. It will it will
2:02:42come. But please bear in mind, and it's
2:02:45also in in line with what you mentioned
2:02:49with Skylark who couldn't attend that uh
2:02:52this uh protection as a service, this
2:02:54cos as a service is becoming a reality
2:02:58in in France. And I think we can
2:03:01optimistically say that 20 2027 will see
2:03:05the starting uh will be the starting
2:03:07point of of that. Yeah, thank you so
2:03:10much uh Frana because that that brings
2:03:13us to a very important takeaway from uh
2:03:16this breakout session because we
2:03:18actually have to to come uh to come up
2:03:21with uh one or two practical cooperation
2:03:24cases and that that that's exactly the
2:03:27practical uh case we may jointly work on
2:03:30namely um using the French market of
2:03:35critical infrastructure protection as as
2:03:38a test bit uh to to some extent to uh
2:03:41you know uh internationalizing the uh
2:03:45the operationally tested solutions
2:03:49develops the Ukrainian battlefields uh
2:03:52and while protecting the uh Ukrainian
2:03:55critical infrastructure. So I'm inviting
2:03:57uh actually the participants of uh this
2:04:00panel to to join us in uh Franua and and
2:04:05me and maybe Jean in developing that's
2:04:09that practical practical uh takeaway
2:04:13case. I'm just discovering any other
2:04:16ideas.
2:04:16>> Yeah,
2:04:17>> I'm also just discovering Liisa
2:04:19Rasmiss's study Lisa Kodorovska study
2:04:23and it's dealing exactly with the same
2:04:25subject critical.
2:04:27So I think we we we're straight to the
2:04:29point and and we could build something
2:04:32around this specific subject and not
2:04:34maybe uh aim too aim too wide.
2:04:40>> Yeah.
2:04:41>> Yeah. Totally agree.
2:04:44Great. So I think there is even a
2:04:47working party uh being formed uh during
2:04:49this uh breakout session. Um any any
2:04:54other uh any other ideas uh because we
2:04:58still have room for one more uh one more
2:05:01uh practical case to to be built.
2:05:04>> Yeah. Sorry to interrupt you. people
2:05:06come come back from other rooms in maybe
2:05:09three five minutes but you have still
2:05:11let's say three minutes to conclude
2:05:14maybe I see raise your hand
2:05:20cool yeah
2:05:22>> yes hi
2:05:28and I represent uh small startup so in
2:05:32case if you're interested to hear more
2:05:33about um uh small startups that have ter
2:05:37about 68 level. We're present in 45
2:05:42brigades. Uh and one of the main
2:05:44challenges that we're trying to resolve
2:05:46right now is um uh is localization of
2:05:52the components of the critical
2:05:53components uh and um the
2:05:56interoperability of the sensors as well
2:05:58as uh systems engineering from the
2:06:01standpoint of very fast pace of changes.
2:06:05So we can uh as you mentioned previously
2:06:07form a working group and work through
2:06:09that. Uh I think that could be
2:06:11potentially a good case for resolving uh
2:06:13question like that.
2:06:16>> Well sounds u really sensible to me and
2:06:20I suggest uh you become uh the uh leader
2:06:24of uh that working working group um of
2:06:28that working party. Uh so any any other
2:06:33uh ideas or uh any other ideas how to
2:06:37support Alena and uh the the case on the
2:06:40critical components that that she has
2:06:43just exposed.
2:06:44>> I just would like to add uh the uh the
2:06:47product that we have is a passive um
2:06:50inter video interception station with
2:06:52the sensors for spectrum analysis and uh
2:06:54IQ data collection. Uh so the main
2:06:57critical components would be SDRs as
2:06:59well as uh mini computers processing
2:07:02information.
2:07:04>> So there would be two major things. Uh
2:07:06we are constantly adding uh to the range
2:07:08of services. So potentially there would
2:07:09be some optics uh as well as data
2:07:12storage and processing for the AI um
2:07:14implementation.
2:07:17Thank you.
2:07:19>> Thank you.
2:07:20>> Okay. Thank you. I think people already
2:07:23came back uh from I'm not sure but uh
2:07:26just check out uh so
2:07:30uh breakout room uh
2:07:34I think yeah it's they are closed okay
2:07:38so colleagues we are let's let's do wrap
2:07:40up um so
2:07:44some conclusion of this first day so
2:07:45tomorrow we'll continue um maybe u made
2:07:51uh make some deep dive diving into
2:07:54special case for the um for for
2:07:58cooperation but also regarding with
2:08:00regers to um
2:08:04this u capability gaps we consider it
2:08:06today. But maybe uh just to give the the
2:08:10floor to to all colleagues this we had
2:08:14three rooms. So maybe some first
2:08:16conclusion maybe I start from myself. Uh
2:08:18we had discussion about uh cluster
2:08:21policy how we can improve ZAM and
2:08:23cluster cooperation. Yeah. In this field
2:08:25you'll use the fence and uh we had
2:08:28several like example the the major
2:08:32presentation was from
2:08:35Leiv City Council. Yeah. Alexa Bosnik
2:08:37who represented the cluster policy. Uh I
2:08:41should say that unfortunately Ukraine we
2:08:43don't have u uh cluster policy at state
2:08:47level. Yeah there is no cluster policy
2:08:49unfortunately we just started this year
2:08:51create regional cluster policy. they
2:08:54appear it in six region but anyway uh
2:08:59Leiv city council this city on the
2:09:02western Ukraine it um it's like our
2:09:05benchmark because they apply this
2:09:08classic policy since many years and they
2:09:10have really great result especially in
2:09:12US defense because uh thanks to this
2:09:14policy they created you can imagine
2:09:17before the war there was almost nothing
2:09:19so thanks to city council they created
2:09:21local ecosystem they started to support
2:09:24them and today iron cluster is like
2:09:26number one after bra one uh in term of
2:09:29dynamics in term of uh many project of
2:09:32cooperation in term of many achievement
2:09:34and they move very quickly so they they
2:09:37really thanks to this living support uh
2:09:40policy city council uh they they created
2:09:44very dynamic uh ecosystem which really
2:09:47helps to our armed forces of Ukraine to
2:09:50to deal ecosystem so on so the lesson is
2:09:53simple people. So we should we should um
2:09:56engage we should apply more mechanism
2:09:58which support cluster because finally
2:10:01cluster uh start to work like
2:10:03orchestrator. This is like first uh
2:10:06conclusion first idea of our discussion.
2:10:08uh but finally we also touched that what
2:10:11could be mechanism we support cluster
2:10:14cooperation between Ukraine and EU and
2:10:17it's obviously because there was um um
2:10:20colleagues from idealist it's project
2:10:23Ukraine already integrated in and we
2:10:27already considered it many uh um how to
2:10:31say benefit of exchange it of best
2:10:33practice and experience we already
2:10:36learned a lot from the East colleagues
2:10:38it's a French, Italian, Spanish, German
2:10:41and so on cluster. So we should uh speed
2:10:44up such exchange uh especially with
2:10:48regards to uh real use defense because
2:10:50we like such instrument we already let's
2:10:53say started to use several uh
2:10:55instruments several tools in
2:10:57collaboration we we've got from from
2:10:59this um consortium. So if we combine
2:11:03integrate all these tools of of course
2:11:06it will uh it will make our operation
2:11:08much much richer uh and uh the priority
2:11:13up to us uh of where cluster can help to
2:11:16to to this integration to reduce defense
2:11:19is clear. So for us it's
2:11:21industrialization where typically
2:11:23cluster are very strong scaling up and
2:11:27of course this is R&D and innovation
2:11:29infrastructure cluster as well are
2:11:31champion to to impact this uh innovation
2:11:35ecosystem. So we are ready for such
2:11:38collaboration as well in Ukraine. Yes is
2:11:41briefly about our conclusion. Johanna I
2:11:44switch floor to you. Yeah please your
2:11:47conclusion.
2:11:56Ian or Roxalana please. Maybe Ian is
2:11:58out.
2:12:00>> Roxalana.
2:12:02>> Uh yes, thank you. Uh our room in our
2:12:05room we were speaking about some um
2:12:08priorities where Ukraine can uh add to
2:12:12the European knowledge and capabilities
2:12:14and visa in the areas. Um
2:12:18apart from the uh area defense uh I
2:12:23suggested a couple of uh such areas uh
2:12:26including uh I think four uh priorities.
2:12:29Uh let me uh quickly uh open the uh the
2:12:34list. Uh so one was um the uh S4 ISR. Uh
2:12:42my colleagues uh in the room has also
2:12:44added a great comments about um general
2:12:48uh data fusion and um general
2:12:51situational awareness fusion so that
2:12:54machines can suggest decisions for the
2:12:56operating to confirm uh because this uh
2:13:00ODA loop is now very very quick and it
2:13:03will be something that will decide
2:13:05actually who is winning and who is
2:13:07losing on the battlefield in a lot of
2:13:10situations. ations. Uh then we've talked
2:13:13about uh autonomy and counter autonomy.
2:13:16Uh it is partly um
2:13:19coinciding with the uh air defense um
2:13:23topic but not um not completely and also
2:13:29a lot of uh topics come back to the
2:13:32again data fusion and the access for the
2:13:36uh requirements uh for the um Ukrainian
2:13:40battlefield and the modern battlefield
2:13:42in general. uh we can talk about some
2:13:46maybe more effective ways to cooperate
2:13:49in terms of uh letting the European
2:13:51partners know uh what is going on on the
2:13:53battlefield and what are the
2:13:55requirements uh including through the
2:13:57mechanisms of for example cooperating
2:14:00more deeply with the Ukrainian uh
2:14:02companies uh that can provide such data
2:14:05without breaking the uh IP rules for
2:14:09example or the general secret
2:14:11information and database rules. Uh then
2:14:15uh deep precision strikes. Uh we did not
2:14:19really have time to talk about that but
2:14:22I think it is one of the most important
2:14:24topics as the uh Europe does not really
2:14:27have a lot of uh capabilities for uh
2:14:31ballistic stri strikes uh apart of the
2:14:34nuclear ones in France uh and in deep
2:14:38precision strikes in general. Of course,
2:14:40there are some as storm shadow or scalp
2:14:44or some others. Uh but I think this is
2:14:46something when we can cooperate um
2:14:49butter to be able to do more without the
2:14:54uh US support for example when they are
2:14:56operating in in other regions and their
2:14:59uh supplies are also uh pretty
2:15:01stretched. Uh the first one was
2:15:04electromagnetic warfare and full
2:15:06spectrum operations. Uh also a colleague
2:15:09of mine was adding about the
2:15:11communications without GPS and
2:15:14navigation without GPS as one of the uh
2:15:17main topics to be um discussed and to be
2:15:21uh worked in in the future. uh and also
2:15:25another colleague of mine was adding
2:15:27about the uh medical part uh and we were
2:15:31thinking that in general it is a part of
2:15:33comprehensive defense and societal uh
2:15:36readiness uh in which uh Ukraine can add
2:15:40a very again lift experience and um can
2:15:45um support the uh frameworks that the
2:15:49governments have for example in Nordic
2:15:52states uh through very hands-on
2:15:54experience.
2:15:58>> Okay, thank you. Thank you very much
2:15:59Rox. It's clear. So anyway, we will um
2:16:03integrate all this conclusion into maybe
2:16:06after tomorrow to to final list of
2:16:09proposal
2:16:10uh what is let's say consolidated or
2:16:13anyway we have some consensus in during
2:16:16these three days and we'll communicate
2:16:17to to all stakeholder. Yeah. Um
2:16:22please your short conclusion briefly
2:16:24just
2:16:26>> Yep. Thank you so much. Um we've um
2:16:29actually uh started our breakout room
2:16:32with uh the uh presentation of uh the
2:16:36state of play um with the protection of
2:16:39critical infrastructure in Ukraine and
2:16:42the toolkit that had been uh created by
2:16:45the government of Ukraine recently uh to
2:16:48delegates that to the private or to open
2:16:52up opportunities to private military
2:16:54companies. Then uh we've moved into the
2:16:58presentation of uh the solutions being
2:17:00developed by the fully licensed
2:17:02Ukrainian uh service provider. um then
2:17:07um actually naturally organically moved
2:17:10into the solution that had already been
2:17:14operationally
2:17:15u validated
2:17:17and deployed in in one of the west
2:17:21European countries which had been
2:17:23presented by uh by our French uh
2:17:25colleague who is the developer um of uh
2:17:31that solution and then there had been
2:17:34also a presentation of uh the um the
2:17:41uh the ways to to close uh the so-called
2:17:44human gaps in uh in um promoting those
2:17:48solutions and developing the counter US
2:17:51solutions. So we emerged uh from the
2:17:54breakout session with uh two uh cases uh
2:17:59that would be beacons for
2:18:02the uh work working groups and potential
2:18:07cooperation and creation of potential
2:18:09even creation of the consortia with the
2:18:12engagement of uh European and Ukrainian
2:18:15actors namely around the critical
2:18:18infrastructure protection as a service.
2:18:21um to to be
2:18:24to be provided uh in both Ukraine and uh
2:18:28some countries of the European Union uh
2:18:31for example France and uh number two uh
2:18:34that's uh bridging the gap in critical
2:18:38components uh developments uh uh in uh
2:18:42Europe and the Ukraine and that's uh
2:18:45working group will be uh will be
2:18:48probably led by uh by Miss Alena uh
2:18:52Urme. Uh the first one will be led by
2:18:56myself. So I'd like to thank uh all the
2:18:59participants of uh my uh uh of my panel
2:19:03for their inputs and uh for their
2:19:06attention and uh being present all uh
2:19:11all the time during uh through the
2:19:13panel. Thank you so much.
2:19:15>> Thank you very much.
2:19:18Thank you all colleagues for your
2:19:20patience and um yeah for enthusiasm and
2:19:23support. Yeah because for us for a
2:19:25Ukrainian it's very very important to to
2:19:27have yeah your your attention your
2:19:29support your efforts.
2:19:32So just now to remind you about tomorrow
2:19:35days. So tomorrow you have a like
2:19:37continuation but we go to concrete case
2:19:40uh and the general topics looks like uh
2:19:43from component to integrated solution
2:19:45industrial scale you you have all these
2:19:47uh this program so they will see very
2:19:52different cases but they will be all
2:19:54about collaboration with European on
2:19:56Euroatlantic uh partners. So first one
2:19:59it will be about uh joint development in
2:20:02the UAV domain. Then uh we will look
2:20:06some common development on the um
2:20:10anoic chamber. Yeah, it's camera bazo I
2:20:15don't know how to say. Um so we will see
2:20:19also our proposal because I will present
2:20:21also a position of regarding automation
2:20:25of defense manufacturing. We have great
2:20:27proposal from our uh system integrator
2:20:30and developer. uh yeah oriented to uh
2:20:34production manufacturing of UAV and uh
2:20:36robotics and drones. So yeah let's let's
2:20:41uh so uh another another very
2:20:44interesting topic case will be from Iron
2:20:48Range. Yeah it's a state organization uh
2:20:52which will represent how to test your
2:20:54military equipment in the close to
2:20:56battlefield conditions. So it's like u
2:21:01range iron range functioning in Ukraine
2:21:06and also we'll see several different
2:21:09cases from metronic cooling who is
2:21:12worked a lot with British
2:21:15German Scandinavians
2:21:18and other investor through uh yes
2:21:21through Europe and he will comment what
2:21:24is going on and what is wrong what is
2:21:27what is bad or or good. So it will be uh
2:21:32his experience very interesting. Then
2:21:33we'll go to four part of the room for
2:21:35critical component prototyping center
2:21:37advanced manufacturing technology as and
2:21:40B2B cooperation.
2:21:43So uh thank you everyone who visited
2:21:46today our meeting. So
2:21:50see you tomorrow and yeah keep in touch.
2:21:56>> Thank you. Thank you. Bye.
2:21:58>> You very much.
2:21:59>> Thank you. Thank you. Byebye.

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