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0:00I'll have us out of here before that.
0:02Yeah.
0:03>> All right. Well, we are back for another
0:07thrilling episode, uh the ongoing saga
0:10of the will they won't they war.
0:13And uh I'm Brandon Weichert filling in
0:15for Mario. I am uh you know, slightly
0:18better looking Mario today. You're going
0:20to be able to see here. Uh I'm with
0:22Lieutenant Colonel retired Air Force uh
0:25Lieutenant Colonel Karen Kwiatkowski of
0:27the Eisenhower Media Network. Karen,
0:29it's great to have you here. Um again,
0:33uh so I guess
0:34let's just open up with uh the news. I
0:36don't know if you saw, but this morning
0:38in the Wall Street Journal and a few
0:40other I think the Jerusalem Post as
0:42well, um it looks like the Iranians, uh
0:45those sly devils, were able to make
0:48about $6 billion
0:50additional off of the uh the the
0:53ceasefire because they got to move their
0:56oil. Have you heard this? And what are
0:57your takes on this?
0:59>> Yeah. I I think I saw something earlier,
1:02not I didn't see today's article, but um
1:04yeah, they definitely were were getting
1:05their oil out onto the market, out into
1:07the, you know, their their full ships
1:09floating in various places so they can
1:11uh sell oil, and it's badly needed uh
1:14their oil. Anybody's oil is badly needed
1:16on the market. I don't know what Trump
1:17uh
1:18is thinking
1:19in terms of uh stopping the the Strait
1:22of Hormuz again because uh we you know,
1:25he he himself said we were 4 weeks from
1:28uh a real crisis in reserve oil uh
1:31globally, not just the United States.
1:32We're I think at the lowest levels of
1:34our oil storage in the salt mines of
1:37Louisiana, wherever it is we store those
1:39things.
1:40>> I believe it's in Oklahoma, I think.
1:42>> Yeah. Yeah. So it's like this, you know,
1:44special place that we keep this reserve
1:46oil that we're supposed to have stocked
1:48up. And um I think we're as low as we've
1:50been since '83. So that's quite a long
1:53time ago.
1:53>> Basically around the time we got it
1:55going.
1:56>> Yeah, see that's not good. And also you
1:58can't something about the the design of
2:00those storage underground facilities is
2:03that you can't like tap you can't go all
2:05the way down to zero. There's a certain
2:06amount of oil has to be there else you
2:07can't pump it up. I don't know that's
2:09what I've heard. So
2:11>> Well, just for the audience let me just
2:12give an inject here. I do know a little
2:13bit about this but basically basically
2:15and this is coming from guys like Gary
2:17Voglauer who I know and I also know
2:19Chris Martenson has been on the show
2:20talking about this but basically my
2:22understanding is that they have to
2:24inject the oil there with things like
2:27paraben and other chemicals to basically
2:30keep it viable and the lower you go the
2:33older the stuff is that's being stored
2:36there and the longer oil sits in those
2:39salt caverns the more corrupted for lack
2:42of a better word it becomes. Now, that's
2:45very different from China's massive
2:47still massive uh strategic petroleum
2:50reserve. They keep theirs above ground.
2:52So, that's why they could probably go
2:54through quite a bit still. Uh so, that's
2:58just I mean I didn't mean to interrupt
2:59you but just so the audience understands
3:01that's what you're talking about.
3:01>> That's interesting because it also
3:03speaks to another um
3:05infrastructure problem we have in the
3:06United States that we I mean it is
3:09ingenious and it's great and fortunate
3:11we can salt we can we have salt mines
3:13and you're you're you know, we can store
3:15oil there but there's a cost to storing
3:17oil in that that you wouldn't have if
3:19you had more modern above ground
3:21facilities or even modern below ground
3:23facilities. So, you um so, that's in I
3:26didn't realize that. Um again it speaks
3:28to
3:29uh why Trump was elected uh twice maybe
3:33three times nobody knows. Uh
3:35be people were attracted to
3:37>> really matter anymore either by the way.
3:39>> [laughter]
3:40>> But but I'm saying the people responded
3:42to his message which was the same all
3:44three campaigns and that was going to he
3:46was going to put America first in lower
3:48caps. He was going to just you know,
3:50invest in America. Invest in the
3:52American people, invest in the
3:54infrastructure. You know, that's what he
3:55said he was going to do and that was a
3:57popular message and anybody who
3:59runs, I don't care what party they're
4:01in, if they if they use that message,
4:03they're going to be popular. That is a
4:04popular message. Um, Trump kind of
4:06ruined it cuz he he he didn't do it. Um,
4:09well, I guess maybe in his mind he gave
4:12it to American corporations that are
4:15buying their own stock back with it or
4:17something. I I I'm not sure, you know,
4:19>> Yeah.
4:19>> in
4:20Trump's mind he might be he might have
4:22put money in American hands, but it's
4:24not exactly what he told the people
4:28he was going to do.
4:29So, um, yeah, oh well. That's
4:32we're stuck with him now.
4:34>> [laughter]
4:35>> What are you going to do?
4:37>> Well, and toward that end, Karen, um,
4:40you know, infrastructure and industry,
4:42the two I's, those are the big
4:45the big things of modern war and we
4:47don't do either very well anymore.
4:49>> Well, they don't
4:49>> And yeah.
4:51>> Yeah. I mean,
4:52it's one thing
4:54what what's scary to me as an American
4:55is we're not we don't have
4:57infrastructure
4:59and and industry at home like we used
5:02to. And and I'm I believe in free trade,
5:04so I don't think it's necessary that
5:05every country has to make everything for
5:07themselves. I don't think that that's
5:09I think trade with, you know, if you had
5:12less war and more trade, I think we'd
5:13all be better off. Um, but we don't have
5:17the capacity even to defend our own
5:19country if
5:21God forbid we were attacked on our own
5:23in our own land. Um, so what we don't
5:25have the infrastructure and industry to
5:27support defending our country, we
5:29certainly don't have it to support an
5:31expeditionary global imperial war
5:34program, which happens to be engaged in
5:36Europe,
5:37um, possibly in the Pacific with China
5:39harassing China, whatever I don't know
5:41what we're doing over there. Um, and
5:43particularly the Middle East, which
5:44we've invested greatly in and and we're
5:47watching all of that investment get
5:49blown up with very targeted uh
5:52attacks. I mean uh very successful. The
5:55Iranians are
5:57their their program
5:59prob- it's been in play for years, I
6:01guess, because they know how we would
6:03come at them. And they understood See,
6:05this is the thing I think that's
6:06different between them and us. They knew
6:07their weaknesses.
6:09And they said, "What are our strengths?
6:10Let's make our We We can only do so much
6:13to about our weaknesses. But what are
6:14our strengths?" And And they have
6:15obviously geography. They have They have
6:17people. They have technology. They have
6:19innovation. And they have um mountains,
6:21which they can hide all kinds of war
6:24machinery and industry inside of. And
6:26they can sustain a lot of hits.
6:29Um
6:30And they knew those those were the
6:31strengths and they enhanced and worked
6:33and create worked creatively to make
6:35those uh even better than they were
6:37already.
6:39We don't admit we have any weaknesses, I
6:41don't think, in our military. I mean, I
6:43know
6:44not He well, fat fat generals is one. He
6:47don't like fat generals. He think that's
6:48a weakness. And it may well be, but um
6:51it's it's a little uh uh
6:53it's not on
6:53>> superficial
6:55>> Yeah, it's a little superficial.
6:56[laughter]
6:57You know, you think about our our
6:59acquisition system. And And Head Sets
7:01did come in and he talked about, you
7:03know, acquisition. Want to make it
7:05faster, streamline it. But he has no
7:08clue what it what he's talking about. I
7:09mean, he's a Fox News head. He knows
7:11nothing except what they tell him. And
7:13the people in the system that want the
7:15system to stay the way it is
7:17are going to tell him what they need to
7:18tell him to make sure the system is not
7:20impacted by Head Sets or any other
7:22Secretary of Defense.
7:24Uh Secretary of War. Doesn't matter what
7:26you call him. Uh they they are not
7:28impactful people unless
7:30unless they have uh
7:32some sort of skill set, which allows
7:34them to see through what they're being
7:36the lies they're being told inside the
7:37system, which I think they all are. Um
7:40So, anyway, we we're not uh he's not
7:42really improving the acquisition system.
7:43He's he's It's Band-Aids. Band-Aids on
7:45everything. Band-Aids on our uh slow
7:48time to, you know, from design to
7:50production. Band-Aids on our inability
7:52to logistically support. Band-Aids on
7:54our ability to produce weapon systems
7:57that the rest of the world wants to buy.
7:59You know, the only people that buy our
8:00air aircraft are people that want
8:02They either want to launder their money
8:04cuz they have too much of it like the
8:05Middle East countries. They want to buy
8:08influence by making Trump happy or any
8:10American president.
8:11>> force them to buy it.
8:13>> Or we we or we coerce them to buy it by
8:15threats, which is increasingly what what
8:18we're seeing. Um
8:19>> Yeah.
8:19>> And then that None of that helps
8:21American defense. None of it helps our
8:23industry. None of it helps our our you
8:25know, our us at home. It doesn't build
8:27infrastructure.
8:28Uh
8:29You know, and actually with Trump's idea
8:31to turn uh you know, unused auto or
8:34underutilized auto factories to build
8:36other stuff, you know,
8:38that really
8:40obviously it reminds us of World War II,
8:42but
8:44that's This is not World War II time.
8:46This is not a global war.
8:47>> I mean, well,
8:49not yet.
8:49>> Well, the global powers are sitting back
8:51laughing their butts off at our
8:53performance. And and there's like
8:55And I guess they shouldn't we do
8:56something? And they go, "No, no. Never
8:57stop your enemy when he's making a
8:59mistake." That's what they're saying.
9:01That's what China and Russia are saying.
9:02That's what India is saying. That's what
9:04all the countries that observe us as a
9:07potential threat either now or in the
9:09future. Uh they're watching us behave
9:12the way we're doing. And uh
9:15They're watching us get wiped out.
9:16They're watching our position, you know.
9:18I mean, we can't operate even on our
9:20bases. Our bases in the Middle East and
9:22it's a We could have done it
9:24voluntarily. But no, no. We had to get
9:26Iran to blow them up for us. So, now we
9:28won't have those. And there's been talk
9:31for years, you know, put bases in in
9:33Israel. And Israel didn't ever want
9:34that. Um now Israel sings a different
9:36song. And plus we have no other place to
9:38put them. So, what are we doing? We're
9:40actually harming Israel by putting our
9:42targets
9:42>> Well, well, the government is in Israel
9:45knows exactly what it's doing because it
9:46knows that it might soon be losing
9:49access to all that money we've been
9:50lavishing upon them for decades. So,
9:52this is how they're going to lock us in.
9:54>> Yeah, yeah, well, that's true. Anything
9:56to lock us in for sure.
9:59Yeah, they are probably a little bit
10:00nervous about that.
10:01>> very nervous.
10:02>> But, seriously, Ben Gurion has all of
10:04those refuelers. You know what Iran is
10:06is targeting? I mean, the way they're
10:08doing this is like right out of a book.
10:10I mean
10:10>> Yeah.
10:11>> a book that Americans probably read in
10:13war colleges. Uh
10:15>> That's right.
10:15>> It's like, you know, what are they
10:16doing? So, they are
10:18inhibiting our ability to support
10:22closer and closer actions in. They are
10:24blinding us. They did that 12-day war,
10:26too, and they certainly did it at the
10:27beginning of the the the 40-day war, the
10:29Ramadan war. They they blinded us. They
10:32hit our radars and our communications.
10:34And, um, now they're hitting logistics.
10:36Now, they're hitting, um, a lot of stuff
10:39we have uh storage and maintenance
10:41facilities, so we're not going to be
10:42able to maintain. So, we're they're
10:43pushing us farther and farther back.
10:45>> Yep.
10:46>> They're they're fine with the shortage
10:48of jet fuel and and the fuel that we
10:51need to put into those refuelers to dump
10:53into those fighters as they fly twice as
10:55three times as far as they needed to be
10:56with multiple refuelings. They're
10:58forcing us into fuel consumption at a
11:00very high rate when the whole world
11:03is is uh you know, it's short it's a
11:05shortage. So, we're going to pay for
11:06that. So, everything they're doing seems
11:09very calculated to cost us uh operating
11:13space, to cost us money, to
11:16back us in a corner, and then the the
11:19the cherry on top may be, yeah, well,
11:22you know, we've we've pushed you even
11:23out of Jordan you can't operate from.
11:25So, now you're operating from Israel.
11:27Guess what? That's very interesting
11:28because Israel is our ultimate target. I
11:31mean, the Iranians will cheer wildly and
11:33so will many other people around the
11:34world.
11:35>> That's right.
11:35>> Israel is hit.
11:36When they hit Israel, it won't be we're
11:39not hitting Israel. Technically, we had
11:41to blow up Ben Gurion because
11:43there were so many US of the you know,
11:45the enemies were operating out of there.
11:47The US enemy. So, I mean, we're allowing
11:50So, we don't have any initiative. I
11:52mean, where is our initiative?
11:53I mean, I I don't even know this doesn't
11:55even look like a regular war. It looks
11:57like
11:58>> It certainly looks like an incompetent
12:00campaign. I mean, it looks like this is
12:02being run by amateurs. Our our side. Our
12:05side. Um which
12:06>> I'm sure it can't possibly be all image
12:09I mean, I know you know, Trump puts a
12:10lot of pressure
12:11>> No, but I I I do think that they they
12:13did this sort of purge of the Pentagon
12:16which at first I thought, "Okay, we're
12:17going to get rid of the the woke, you
12:19know, woke Mark Milley types." But, I'm
12:22wondering if in the process they also
12:24got rid of a lot of the more responsible
12:27uh players uh in the military
12:30uh because
12:32I mean, you know this better than I do.
12:33I mean, the the US military knew that if
12:35we did a regime change operation by air
12:38especially against Iran, they were going
12:41to close the Strait of Hormuz
12:42immediately. Like that was war game 20
12:45years of war war games.
12:46>> And it never didn't it never didn't
12:48happen. It could have happened in four
12:50or five different ways, but it never did
12:51not happen.
12:52>> That's [laughter] right.
12:53That's right. And so, yet it we acted
12:57like, "Oh wow, this is something new."
12:59So, it is weird and um
13:02it does actually seem like this is a
13:06on the part of Iran.
13:09Well, actually let me on the part of us
13:10as well because that the reason I
13:11brought up that Wall Street Journal
13:13article is because
13:15um basically they were saying in the
13:17article that the White House was shocked
13:22by how the Iranians were not being
13:24depleted in terms of their fuel
13:26production and fuel sales.
13:28And it looks on the other side a lot
13:31like the Iranians are trying to deplete
13:33us, knowing full well that, you know,
13:37once we're depleted
13:38fuel and whatnot, the whole economy,
13:40everything grounds to a halt, and then
13:42they've really got us by the short hair.
13:44Do you think that's their plan or is
13:46this just sort of ancillary to their
13:48defense?
13:49>> Yeah, um
13:51I think it I think actually it might be
13:53ancillary.
13:54>> Okay.
13:55>> I think their key is was to get us out
13:57of these Gulf states militarily to
14:00destroy those bases, make it make it
14:02clear to those company those countries
14:03that hosted us
14:05that this is a mistake to host us cuz we
14:07are going to tell you stuff and then
14:09we're not going to do it. We're going to
14:10tell you we're going to make you more
14:11secure, but it won't work. We will
14:13actually turn you into targets. Um and
14:15you and all of you kingdoms and Emirates
14:18and
14:19you know, family rule type situations
14:22where you have a whole lot of unhappy
14:23people that you're ruling over. Um
14:26the US is not going to help you there
14:28either. In fact, the US your association
14:30with the US and particularly with Israel
14:31is going to enrage your populations even
14:33more. So, I think I think Iran wanted us
14:36gone from there and they wanted to make
14:37that point. Make it so clear that no
14:40country, Kuwait, Emirates, anybody would
14:43not understand they need a new they need
14:46to have a new choice of security. They
14:48need to either get along with Iran or
14:50ally with another
14:52you know,
14:53friends with Turkey, some sort of you
14:55know, Muslim NATO, whatever you want to
14:56call it. You need to look locally and to
14:59the east for your security. The
15:01Americans are old news and they're very
15:03harmful to you. So, I think that was the
15:06one objective, get us out of there. And
15:08they're doing because they're and
15:09they're being very controlled and um
15:12very precise about the way they're
15:14hitting us and they're just pushing us
15:15and pushing us and pushing us. And then
15:18so that's that's what I think they're
15:19doing mainly. The side issue of oil, I
15:22think actually they're surprised at how
15:23stupid Trump is. I think they thought
15:26honestly, that when Trump said
15:294 weeks ago now I guess that we were 4
15:31weeks from, you know, the cold world and
15:34and and Trump said, "Yeah, the the
15:35people of the world, you know, they're
15:36talking to me and they say, 'Yeah, we
15:37really need to get this we need to the
15:39MOU is good because it'll get oil
15:41flowing and we need that.'" Okay.
15:43I think they thought, "Well, we don't
15:45can't trust the Americans, obviously.
15:47They don't negotiate
15:48>> Well, Gholibaf said that. He said that.
15:50>> They knew that. But I think when Trump
15:52said that, I think it resonated to some
15:55extent, mainly because it was true.
15:58Okay? Mainly because it was you could
15:59you could verify that. Anything Trump
16:01says that you cannot verify is probably
16:02a lie. But that it could be verified and
16:05they said, "Okay. Okay, Trump is
16:06speaking truth." Um that's okay. We can
16:09we work with that. And and meanwhile,
16:11let's clear out our oil. Let's get it
16:12out there so it can be sold um and that
16:15kind of thing. But when But when Trump
16:17has when he reverted when he kicked the
16:20MOU out and basically said, "Well, I
16:22don't think he even adhered to the MOU
16:24for a single day." We know article one
16:26was never adhered to. I mean, there was
16:27no uh discussion with the with the
16:30Israelis that ever made him do anything
16:32other than bomb harder. That was what
16:34they bomb harder and go more places in
16:35South Lebanon. That's pretty much how
16:37they responded and we did nothing about
16:38that. So, we weren't in full compliance
16:41but we were making steps towards you
16:43know, the frozen funds and um yada yada
16:46and it didn't last very long and then I
16:47think
16:48Trump went off the deep end and now I
16:50think because Trump did that, that's why
16:54Iran is willing to cut oil and
16:57fertilizer and helium and you name it
17:00that people need that they're willing to
17:02constrain all of that. Um they're going
17:04to say Trump chose that. Well, they do
17:06say Trump chose that because he totally
17:08violated the MOU and threw it in the
17:10garbage and so now nobody the MOU binds
17:12no one.
17:14So, but I don't think they planned the
17:15oil thing because I don't think they
17:17expected Trump to be this um
17:20oblivious to energy reality.
17:24Uh
17:24And the And there you know, the
17:26ramifications. And also too, see,
17:28the allies, particularly China. I say
17:31allies, China
17:33has prepared for um
17:36you know, disruptions in oil. Like you
17:38said, they have they have modern
17:40capacity to store They have large
17:42capacity to store oil, but they also
17:44have um extensive alternative energy
17:47projects. Yes. Any type of energy you
17:49can imagine, they have it. They've got
17:51They've got water, you know, hydro.
17:53They've got nuclear, they've got the
17:55solar, they've got wind. They got
17:57everything, plus oil.
17:58>> Space based solar they're working on,
18:00too, which is really really wild. That
18:02was actually an American invention in
18:051960. Yes. Um Gerard O'Neill, I think,
18:08at NASA. It was his O'Neill was his last
18:10name. Was his invention in 1968. Never
18:13went anywhere. Then in 2007, the
18:16National Security Agency tried to get
18:18George W. Bush to invest in it. George
18:21W. Bush didn't want anything to do with
18:22it. And then
18:24uh the the Chinese picked up the mantle.
18:28Um
18:28yeah, and they they ran with it.
18:31>> Uh if you can get the energy back, which
18:33they have a way of doing that.
18:35>> of microwave radiation.
18:36>> Yeah, but it's but it's not like going
18:38everywhere, you know, they
18:39>> No, it's refined. It's narrow beam,
18:41yeah.
18:41>> Yeah, I mean um
18:43You know, it's funny when you say George
18:45W. Bush, there was another dumb one. You
18:47know, that was
18:48>> [laughter]
18:49>> I mean,
18:50George W. Bush did not
18:52um You know, he was just He didn't have
18:55an engineering mind. He wasn't a person
18:57who
18:58>> He was incurious, as well.
19:00>> Incurious, that's right. And uh
19:02So, you could see that. But but also you
19:04That's another damning uh uh
19:07kind of critique of of not of NASA. The
19:09whole time of NASA. I mean, you know,
19:11they they they have had they rest on
19:13their laurels of a
19:15landing on the moon, which now they said
19:18I think 60
19:18>> want to do, by the way. Kennedy had to
19:20drag them across the finish line.
19:22>> Yeah. And and
19:23>> Kennedy and Nixon and LBJ, all three of
19:25them.
19:26>> people still don't believe that. They
19:27don't even believe that. You know why
19:28they don't believe it? Well, there's a
19:30lot of reasons they don't believe it.
19:31But one of the reasons they don't
19:32believe it is, well, what is not what
19:33has NASA done since then?
19:35>> That's right.
19:36>> You know, now okay, we did have the
19:38the space shuttle thing. And even that
19:40looked like old technology. You know,
19:41this this Remember the tiles that used
19:43to come off all the time? Yeah, the
19:45textiles.
19:45>> Yeah.
19:46>> Yeah.
19:46>> Yeah.
19:47>> So so um
19:48NASA has not distinguished itself very
19:51well at all.
19:52>> Not at all. They're doing a bunch of
19:54catwalks in space. That's all they're
19:56doing. And so uh
19:57>> And it's a shame. But again,
19:58infrastructure. We didn't invest in it
20:00and or if we did, I don't know what NASA
20:02did with that. And I don't know how much
20:04we put into NASA. But again, uh
20:07you know, we're just fat, dumb, and
20:08happy for 60 years thinking, well, we're
20:11the leader. We're top of everything. We
20:12don't really have to innovate.
20:14Meanwhile, you got a country like Iran,
20:16which under sanctions for a good 40 plus
20:19years of all different types, but they
20:20they seem like they got worse every
20:22year. I don't know if they ever really
20:23let up. Um and so they're just saying,
20:26well, we got to figure out how to do
20:28this ourselves. And by God, the
20:30country's filled with mathematicians and
20:31engineers and software guys and all
20:34kinds of other people, poets, people
20:36that can read, you know,
20:37uh polymaths. I mean, so
20:41it's a big problem cuz they they harness
20:44their energy and did things for
20:46Iranians. And of course, China
20:49much larger case, but I think um
20:52uh you know, China's mission, China's
20:54like vision has been very And and I
20:56mean, I'm not saying we should have a
20:57president for 20 years like, you know,
20:59China or Russia has had.
21:00>> Right.
21:00>> Get that same controlled vision, you
21:02know, I got a vision, we're going to
21:03build this, we're going to do that. But
21:06whatever, those were our competition.
21:08And what did we do? What did we do
21:09during the same time? We did nothing. We
21:11we elected George W. Bush, Barack Obama,
21:15who also is another one didn't have an
21:16engineering mind. In fact, we don't we
21:18haven't elected any scientists at all.
21:20>> That's right. Well, and then that's
21:21funny thing cuz my old buddy David
21:23Goldman, who is now in the
21:25administration, but he he was my one of
21:27my editors at The Epoch Times, and he
21:29used to always tell me that, you know,
21:31he did a lot of business in China. He
21:32used to say that China's leaders the
21:35average China Chinese leader has some
21:37kind of science, tech, engineering, math
21:40background. They graduated top of their
21:43very cutthroat class, whereas the
21:45American elite, it's lawyers and
21:48lobbyists.
21:49>> Yep.
21:49>> And that's who you're dealing with.
21:52Um not to say that there it's all bad
21:54here. I mean, we have advantages, too.
21:56But the Chinese and I actually want to
21:58ask you because this article in the Wall
22:00Street Journal really made a point of
22:03highlighting the fact that it is China
22:06that is enabling the flow of energy from
22:09Iran.
22:10And that, you know, $6 billion
22:12potentially they're going to make in
22:14Iran off of the ceasefire because they
22:18were able to move this these energy
22:19stores to China primarily, and they did
22:22ship-to-ship transfers.
22:24>> Oh, yeah. I read about that.
22:26>> Yeah, so I guess the I guess there's two
22:28questions. First of all,
22:30which of Iran's partners do you think
22:33are the most important for this this war
22:36continuing? Is it China or is it Russia?
22:38Cuz we know Russia is still playing a
22:40role, and the other and the other
22:41question I would have
22:43uh is um
22:45why hasn't the Navy been able to stop
22:47these ship-to-ship transfers? They've
22:49instituted this counter blockade. We
22:51clearly have warships on the periphery.
22:54How are we not able to stop that Is it
22:56because we can't or is it because we
22:58don't want to because it's China and we
23:00don't want to escalate.
23:02>> Yeah. Um, I think the biggest ally in
23:05terms of importance is right now China,
23:08but you can't underestimate Russia.
23:10Russia's fighting a war with NATO right
23:12now, which is also with the United
23:13States. Um, and
23:16they had that the war stretched out and
23:18probably longer than I'm sure the
23:19Russians wanted it to, but also there's
23:22a bleeding uh there's a bleeding kind of
23:25uh
23:26draining of NATO capability, of NATO
23:29political will, of American capability.
23:31You know, this the fact that this war is
23:32going on. Yeah, sure, some people might
23:34be making money, especially Zelenskyy
23:36and his crowd, but um that a lot of the
23:39stuff has has uh made us less ready. You
23:42know, they say, "Oh, well, we're
23:43practicing new technologies against the
23:44Russians." You know, we're we're
23:45experimenting with our drone stuff.
23:47Yeah, so is so are the Russians against
23:49the Ukrainians. So, this is like a wash.
23:51Um,
23:53sorry about that. Ducks back there.
23:54>> That's okay. I [laughter] was going to
23:56ask you, am I am I hearing something?
23:58>> They're right outside the window.
24:01Anyway, it's crazy. But, um,
24:03but yeah, this this Russia is is a
24:05little bit tied down a little, but
24:06they're also contributing to what
24:09China's
24:10and both of those guys see the bigger
24:12picture and that is the US empire is
24:14shrinking. It's not shrinking willingly.
24:16It's not going gracefully. Um, bad
24:19things could happen
24:21that the US could cause, okay? And we
24:23know that of of the
24:25we have a record where the only country
24:26that ever dropped a nuclear weapon.
24:28>> Yeah.
24:28>> And we did it we didn't do it out of
24:30desperation. The war in Japan was over.
24:32I don't care what anybody says. The war
24:33in Japan was won, okay? But, we had some
24:36experimental weapons and we had an
24:38opportunity to threaten Russia, show our
24:40capability because Russia was Russia was
24:42going to be next.
24:44And we demonstrated that. We did a
24:45demonstration bomb, okay? Not a not an
24:49existential bomb, not a necessary bomb,
24:51two demonstration bombs. So, two
24:53different types. That's what we did. And
24:55we uh took a lot of measurements and we
24:57we observed it very carefully. This
24:59thing was done
25:01back when we had scientists in
25:02government, okay? When they wanted to to
25:05see what what would happen. And yeah,
25:07sure, we can do it under the auspices of
25:09the war. And Truman of course was not a
25:12scientist, but he was pushed into this
25:15by the technology and and these same
25:17people, you know, are what Eisenhower
25:18was talking about, you know,
25:20both at the beginning of his term and
25:22and later. But um
25:24So, we have that reputation. Now we
25:27don't have very smart people working. I
25:29would not say that. I mean, there might
25:31be some They might be smart. Maybe they
25:33have like, you know, how they talk about
25:34all the different types of IQ, like
25:35emotional IQ. There's all kinds of
25:37stuff, right?
25:38>> Well, they're definitely emotional.
25:39There's no doubt. It at the highest
25:41levels they're very emotional.
25:42>> I think they are smart like a
25:45mafia so kingpin is smart, you know,
25:48>> A sociopath.
25:49>> who I can trust and who I can terrorize,
25:51who I can push and who I can't push. And
25:53he knows this stuff. He knows. He or
25:55she, you know, they read people well.
25:57So, there's there's a little bit of that
25:58going on in our government. But in terms
26:00of
26:02science and logic and math and study of
26:05military strategy and history, study of
26:08past governments, there's not a lot of
26:09that going on. So,
26:13Yeah.
26:14>> So,
26:15>> our scratchers are watching us fall. And
26:17they don't know how we're going to fall,
26:18but they know we're going to fall.
26:20>> Now, and
26:21Yeah, and and and that that actually is
26:23something I also want to bring up
26:24because I keep telling people we're not
26:26fighting two different wars. Ukraine and
26:29the Middle East are part two fronts in
26:31the same war. Whether we realize it and
26:34I'm not I don't know if there's some
26:36great plan or not, but it definitely
26:38looks, if you look on a map, you look at
26:40the And this is what my buddy Matt
26:41Bracken says all the time. If you look
26:43at the top of Iran, the tip of Iran is
26:46621 miles away from the southern point
26:49of Crimea. That is a very close amount
26:52of space. Um
26:55My question is we're seeing Ukraine up
26:58the the ante against Russia by doing I
27:01think they just did 400 drones in one
27:03attack on Moscow. Both Russia and
27:07Ukraine are targeting each other's
27:09transportation networks. The Ukrainians
27:11are targeting Russia's oil production
27:14and refinery. You said at the beginning
27:16of the show, you know, we need every
27:17drop of oil right now, not just from
27:19Iran I would say but from Russia, too.
27:21>> Yeah.
27:22>> Ukraine is targeting. So they're So I I
27:25wrote a
27:26I got a piece out today on Substack.
27:28Nothing nothing too special but
27:31I I pose in there something I think I've
27:32said before. I think Trump actually
27:34wants an oil shortage. You know, there's
27:35nothing backing the dollar.
27:38And and people poo-poo the petrodollar
27:39and they say, "Ah, the time is past for
27:41petrodollar." And maybe, but we got to
27:43have something to back up. And America's
27:45good faith has been totally There's no
27:47more of that. There's no American good
27:49faith. Our infrastructure and our
27:51capacity, even our purchasing power as a
27:53consuming nation, those are all being
27:56limited, okay? Being reduced and
27:58marginalized. So what do we have that
28:00makes the dollar so attractive? Well,
28:03Trump has enough countries to make his
28:05own OPEC. Well, it wouldn't be called
28:06Well, it would be called OPEC. Oil
28:07petroleum What is it?
28:09Petroleum exporting countries. So
28:12Organization of Petroleum Exporting
28:14Countries. So we pretty much own all the
28:15big ones. And I think he manipulates
28:17Nigeria. And I wasn't even counting
28:19Nigeria.
28:20>> Yeah.
28:20>> And I wouldn't really count Libya even
28:22though American oil is being pumped out
28:23of Libya with I'm sure either military
28:26or somehow government subsidies.
28:27>> Sure, we're paying off Al-Qaeda as well
28:29to do it. To
28:30>> Yeah. So So we actually may want oil to
28:34go super high. Um
28:36it's hard to understand
28:38how that makes sense when
28:41the whole world is suffering for what
28:45for because we want to be on top. Cuz
28:47you know, in the old days when we were
28:50pushing democracy and the American way
28:52of life, everybody said, "Oh, well,
28:54that's great. America will share its
28:55values." And we were pushing this, you
28:56know, "Oh, we we're we're invading you
28:59or we're fighting, you know, we're
29:00trying to get the one guy elected cuz in
29:02the name of democracy, in the name of
29:04liberty, in the name of freedom." We use
29:05these we use this language. Well,
29:08when we contract when we basically
29:10control everybody's oil, even our
29:12friends. I mean, I don't I don't know
29:13how the Europeans are planning to do
29:15this. Um they they have no plan. It's
29:18very clear they have no plan.
29:19>> I know they hate Russia and they they
29:21don't want to have Russian oil, but are
29:22you going to let your old folks die?
29:24Maybe that's part of their plan, you
29:25know, let's let the old folks die.
29:26They're all on the the dole anyway, so
29:28let's let's just let the European old
29:29folks die. Let them freeze to death in
29:31the winter and and
29:32>> the young people they can send to the
29:33front line against Russia.
29:35>> That's right.
29:36>> mass conscription event.
29:37>> Sure. Sure. So, they maybe they don't
29:39they figure they're they're on board
29:40with this plan. But yeah, I mean, the
29:42the way that um
29:44Zelensky, who's supposed to be uh
29:47what he he tries to get approval on I
29:49mean, from Trump and from the from Biden
29:51from the American government and there's
29:53still support for him some I mean, the
29:55Democrats are still relatively
29:56supportive. Um
29:57>> That's right.
29:58>> Republicans would be if it was a
29:59different political flavor. They were
30:00before. They aren't now. I don't know.
30:02So,
30:03>> Yep. Well, the Republicans generally are
30:05still very in Congress supportive.
30:07>> Are they still still Oh, yeah.
30:09Lindsey Graham, of course. Lindsey
30:10Graham was like
30:10>> Right. I mean, look. That's right, you
30:12know. He he might have been incinerated
30:14at the drone factory in Ukraine. We
30:16don't know.
30:17>> loves him so much. Um but but yeah, I
30:19mean, what they're doing does contribute
30:22to a shortage of oil, contributes to
30:23anxiety in the market, shortages
30:26of serious physical shortages, and then
30:28also just disturbances and and demand
30:30destruction potentially in places.
30:33You're going to see that. If it gets if
30:34it goes
30:35uh
30:36too expensive for too long, then people
30:39really will find alternatives. Not so
30:40much um they're going to make more
30:41energy or get more solar somehow cuz we
30:43make the sun shine, although the Chinese
30:45might with their space
30:47>> Well, they've got the hottest burning
30:48tokamak reactor today, which is nuclear
30:50fusion.
30:51>> Yeah.
30:51>> So, they are farther ahead. I think it's
30:53them, the South Koreans, and the French,
30:55I think, are the three leaders in
30:57nuclear fusion R&D.
30:58>> Sure. And these these data centers that
31:00need all this energy, you know, a lot of
31:01the uh I think the uh
31:04the Facebook dude, Zuckerberg, and uh of
31:06course Elon and other people are talking
31:08about either, you know, fusion and other
31:10fission and different things, whatever
31:11they can use nuclear to to kind of in
31:13small ways to uh provide that energy.
31:15And you know, none of this energy
31:18uh
31:19innovation happens when oil prices are
31:22low. It only has affordable. It's only
31:24You can only get your loan from the bank
31:26to do it when oil is high and the
31:29outlook for oil is,
31:30you know, continuing to be high. So, you
31:33know, is Trump doing that? Is Trump, you
31:35know, cuz somebody
31:36>> heavily invested in a nuclear energy
31:38firm. Remember Truth Social? His company
31:42has a massive stake in this So, what is
31:44it? Nuclear I don't remember if it's
31:46fission or fu- fusion. But they they
31:48they are heavily invested as of a year
31:50ago
31:51>> Yep.
31:52>> in a nuclear energy company. So,
31:55>> I makes
31:55>> to force transition, he's going to make
31:57some dough off it.
31:58>> He's going to He's going to make money
31:59and they're they're following uh
32:02You know, I'm criticizing our government
32:04for not having a lot of mathematicians
32:06or engineers, but what they do have a
32:07lot of is um uh traders, people that um
32:11yeah, you know, people that have grown
32:13up playing the market, um watching how
32:16things go, and this that this kind of
32:18thing. Now,
32:19you know, it's funny because
32:21like other countries pay attention to
32:23gold. China, a lot of the countries pay
32:25attention to gold and have a lot of
32:27gold. And I saw Scott Bessent say the
32:30other day again, uh oh, yeah, we got all
32:33the gold is there. Don't worry, it's all
32:34there. Yeah.
32:35>> Yeah. Trust me, bro.
32:36Yeah.
32:37>> Yeah.
32:37>> And and I don't think it is. And so that
32:39could cause um
32:42a crisis of some sort, I don't know. But
32:44anyway, I just don't think the dollar's
32:45backed up by anything other than go
32:46other than uh oil. I think oil and
32:49control of oil is what they've latched
32:52onto. It's It's not the best way to
32:54control the world cuz there are so many
32:56alternatives. And Trump's making money
32:57on those alternatives. And And you know,
32:59the US is interested in uh alternative
33:02energy. Not not just passive like you
33:05know, solar fields in farmland. But But
33:07this you know, like nuclear. The stuff
33:09that is really um expensive to put that
33:12infrastructure in, but it really
33:13produces a lot of relatively clean
33:15energy. So um and we wouldn't pay for it
33:17before. So maybe this forces us to pay
33:19for it. It But you know, that's kind of
33:21convoluted way to lead the country.
33:23We're going to go to a war. We're going
33:24to take everybody's oil. And then we're
33:26going to doll it out sparingly and keep
33:28the price high so we can uh do our
33:31alternative energy and nuclear energy
33:32infrastructure in this country. Well,
33:33guess what? You know, there's like six
33:35other ways to do that, dude, without
33:36killing millions of people, without
33:38becoming the most disrespected and hated
33:40nation on Earth. Second to Israel. Okay?
33:44Why would we do that? And merging with
33:45Israel, which is very weird because why
33:48would we do that? We don't even have a
33:50mutual defense treaty with Israel. You
33:52think Israel's going to defend us? You
33:54think Israel is going
33:54>> Well, they're not even willing to to
33:57talk about landing troops on Karga
33:58Island with us. It's all, you know,
34:01they're cheering us from all the way in
34:03the back, you know? Go for it, you guys,
34:05you know?
34:05>> That's right. So So this is there's many
34:08other ways to get to a place where you
34:10really are
34:12preparing for a post petroleum, you
34:15know,
34:17future.
34:18>> But are we even well positioned for
34:20this? Because it seems like China, with
34:22all their clean energy, has got about a
34:24decade to 12-year lead on us.
34:27>> I know. And what you want to do is you'd
34:29let them get it do what they did to us
34:3130 years ago.
34:33>> That's right.
34:34>> buy them back. THEY THEY GOING to make
34:35them in mass. Okay, hey, we'd like to
34:37get 14 portable whatever whatever. We
34:40got We got a couple of data centers and
34:43they want to be independent or or
34:44military bases or well, maybe they won't
34:46give them to us for a while.
34:47>> No, they won't give them to you for
34:48that, but yeah.
34:50>> So but but but you know, what if we were
34:52friends with them, they would. If we
34:53weren't threatening them all the time
34:55with with military stuff, maybe they
34:56would. So
34:57>> So so
34:59we're we're we're talking about a forced
35:01transition and and and it could or could
35:03not be part of a larger plan. It's a
35:05convoluted plan on our part if it is a
35:07plan.
35:09But we've lost now soldiers.
35:12I I don't know if you saw at the you
35:15know, in the last
35:15>> In the Jordan attack, yeah.
35:17>> In the Jordan attack and it's coming out
35:19now. The New York Times is finally
35:21breaking it. I said this to Tucker when
35:23I was on his show on March 9th. You
35:26know, that that they're lying. The
35:29Pentagon is lying about the the the the
35:33casualty rates. Is that what you think
35:35as well? How do you because we're paying
35:37for this in blood, not just treasure.
35:39>> Yeah, yeah, we are paying for it in
35:40blood and we have been lying because
35:42they knew that that cost this is an
35:44unpopular war and hiding the bodies is
35:46is what they they want to do and hiding
35:48the injuries.
35:49>> Hiding the gold, hiding the bodies.
35:51That's what they're doing across the
35:53board.
35:53>> You know, nobody trust the government.
35:55Trump has gone Trump Trump like I said,
35:57I think he's nobody trust even the maga.
36:00I think half of maga does not trust him.
36:03>> Yeah.
36:03>> And the half that does trust him, their
36:05their answer to the weird things that he
36:08says or when he's proven wrong or
36:09something of that, they go, "Oh, don't
36:10worry. He has a plan. He's playing 60 D
36:13chess." And if if they're still talking
36:15about that, then that's just that's a
36:16cope. Okay, I'm sorry. Cope Cope for
36:18you, but in fact, most of maga I don't
36:20think trust him. We know the Democrats
36:22they don't even listen to him cuz they
36:24got TDS. That's a problem because how do
36:26you have a a government when you you you
36:30You know, there's such emotion
36:31associated with these things. But
36:33anyway, he's not leading the country and
36:35they're unhappy already and they're
36:36going broke. American most Americans are
36:38not doing well. They heard someone on
36:41the radio today. They said one in eight
36:43student loans are eight months or nine
36:45months behind in payments. And how are
36:47you going to catch up with that as the
36:48interest racks up? It's not. So, people
36:51aren't happy. They They're not They feel
36:53like we should They as Americans should
36:54be taken care of with America's
36:56resources, not these wars overseas. So,
36:58yeah, these dead
37:00these these pictures of dead people, but
37:02dead soldiers. And I do
37:04you predicted it. We knew they'd hide
37:06it. They are hiding it. They They can't
37:08hide everything. But the fact that he
37:10Trump's response to that was, "Oh, well,
37:13it's really bad, but you know, Iran
37:15killed Now, it's up to 52,000
37:18>> Oh, it's it's changing all the time.
37:20>> When did you
37:21>> Yeah, we had a guest on last week who
37:23claimed it was 100,000 they
37:25>> Oh my god. Yeah. This is all made up
37:27stuff. He denies Trump still even after
37:31it's very clear that the Pentagon
37:33slow rolled that investigation on the
37:35Men in Blue school, but still in the end
37:37admitted there were like four different
37:39things, you know, bad intel, then we
37:41didn't catch it, and there was we had a
37:43technical difficulty, and other stuff.
37:44So, they they didn't really
37:48you know, take responsibility. But Trump
37:50took no responsibility.
37:52>> Right. You said it was an AI
37:53fabrication.
37:54>> Yeah. Yeah. AI fabrication. Oh, this
37:57dead body stuff. They didn't And yet and
37:58yet he's going to complain about these
38:00soldiers. Yeah. I am sorry that our guys
38:03are in a place far, far from here doing
38:06something that they don't understand for
38:07reasons that really don't exist. They
38:10are not defending
38:11>> even think Trump understands.
38:13I don't even think that the president
38:14understands what we're doing. I really
38:16don't. This is why I go back and forth.
38:18I go back and forth and I'm like, well,
38:19it maybe this is part of some grand
38:21transition plan, but then I go I look at
38:24how badly everything has gone
38:27and it's completely counter to how he
38:28was pitching things.
38:30>> Yep.
38:30>> And and so either he was totally lying
38:33back then or he really believed this
38:35would be a 96-hour war that would
38:37eventually, you know, and and look at
38:39how badly it's gone.
38:40>> Well, you know, they said that Netanyahu
38:43in particular, and I'm sure he wasn't
38:44the only one, reminded him early on
38:46before they decided to do this that look
38:49how successful you were, sir, in
38:52Caracas. That's right. How great that
38:54was and so few died. Well, you know, I
38:56think about 150 died on the invasion
38:58day. Plus, we shot a bunch of people out
39:00of the water and violated our creed as
39:03as military people
39:04for months before that. But but
39:06technically, it was a great success.
39:08Certainly by Israeli standards, you
39:10know, these dead people didn't count.
39:11Look how
39:12>> Not enough infants were blown up.
39:14>> Yes, yes.
39:15>> So, yeah, you know.
39:16>> But but you know, the the seizure of the
39:18oil, you know, the the bribery of I
39:22assume the the vice president or
39:24whatever or maybe she just recognizes,
39:26you know, if she don't want a bullet in
39:27the head, she's going to do this and she
39:29made that choice. I don't know. But in
39:31Trump's view, you know, we own
39:33Venezuelan oil and we did set up the
39:35same legal
39:36deposit situation like we mentioned we
39:39talked about this before that Iraq has.
39:40So, for from Trump's perspective, that's
39:43a business success and a military
39:45success. And I think Netanyahu, others,
39:47of course, used that to tell Trump so
39:50and you know, he is
39:52a guy, unfortunately. Maybe we're all
39:54like that maybe to some extent, but you
39:55have to guard against it. That if
39:57somebody tells you how great you are,
39:59you don't you you say keep talking. Keep
40:01talking. Tell me more about how great I
40:02am. And and when really you should be as
40:04president, you need to you should be
40:06thinking really more like a mafioso. He
40:09really maybe he's if he was more like a
40:11don,
40:13more like a mafi don, then
40:15he would be better because a mafia don
40:18always knows there's only like very few
40:20people you can trust. And somebody comes
40:22in selling you something that's too good
40:24to be true or or whatever,
40:26then you should be suspicious of that.
40:28And Trump should realize that
40:30>> Yeah, but Trump's a realtor at heart.
40:31They're always selling the dream. That's
40:33what they're doing. They're always
40:34selling the dream. They've got
40:35everything's the greatest, it's the
40:37biggest, it's the best. I know realtors
40:39very well. And this is how that This is
40:42how they play.
40:43>> Well, you know what? His dream in Gaza
40:45is is now down to um a
40:48basically one concentration camp for
40:50Palestinians, for Gazans, and it's a
40:53bunch of There's pictures of it. I guess
40:55there were and images of it. It's
40:56basically portable buildings, you know,
40:58a bunch of trailers. It's kind of like a
41:00kind of like we have FEMA come out there
41:02and do that.
41:04>> Yeah.
41:04And uh
41:05with with razor wire and probably
41:07alligators around it later, crocodiles.
41:10>> So, it's not the Riviera. That's not
41:12what Not the Riviera.
41:14>> That's right. And they're not talking
41:16about all the money they're going to
41:17make cuz it's pretty clear they're not
41:18going to be. And um
41:20and Israel didn't want that anyway.
41:22Israel wanted settlements back on, which
41:23is what
41:24>> wanted them all pushed out into Sinai.
41:27That was where they wanted them, and the
41:29Egyptians said, "Absolutely not." And
41:32they moved a large tank force to the
41:33border to prove if you try this, there's
41:36going to be problems.
41:37>> I mean, seriously, it's a it's a
41:39tragedy, um but not from Israeli
41:42perspective. It's just It didn't turn
41:45out exactly as they wanted cuz they're
41:46all not dead. If they were all dead,
41:48then they could call it a win, but but
41:50they they can't. But anyway, I don't
41:52know I don't know how any of uh what
41:53Trump's doing is helping
41:56>> think Do you think that
41:59you know, we're looking at this sort of
42:00increase of tempo in terms of
42:03you know, it's logistics being brought
42:05into the which is just mind-boggling to
42:07me already because there's nowhere for
42:08those planes really to go, but they're
42:10they're being brought in nonetheless.
42:13Um
42:14you know, we keep hearing I keep hearing
42:17they're talking about invasion. They're
42:19talking about boots on the ground.
42:21>> That's so hard to believe.
42:22>> Yeah.
42:22>> Um but but the the airplanes the the
42:25refuelers are needed because they have
42:27to fly really from far far away.
42:30>> Yeah.
42:30>> So I get that they need a lot of
42:31refuelers and they are spreading past
42:33the Ben Gurion they're going to other
42:35other Israeli bases and Israeli bases
42:37they don't want them there.
42:39In fact uh
42:39>> No, because it's a target. It's a
42:40target.
42:41>> just yeah, it's a target. It takes away
42:43their stuff and also we get to see what
42:45they're doing and what
42:46>> That's right.
42:47>> They hate that. That way that's okay for
42:48them to do to us but they don't like the
42:50us when it it just happens that way cuz
42:52we're there and we're going to have our
42:54>> They're worried there might be more
42:55Aguilars among the the Americans that
42:58would be on the ground.
42:58>> they should they should be worried, you
43:00know, we've one thing that we've done in
43:02educating our young people is we've told
43:05them that we don't tolerate bullies.
43:07It's not right to bully. Our foreign
43:09policy is a is a bullying foreign
43:10policy. But we've raised our kids to
43:13think rightfully that you don't push
43:15people around.
43:17You don't kill kids. You don't beat up
43:18women. You know, actually
43:20we teach our people that but also the
43:23whole world. That's kind of like common
43:25morality. You don't you don't pick on
43:27the weak. Um that's very different than
43:29how Israel operates. They are very
43:33almost they're mercenary. You know, if
43:34it's weak if you weakness
43:36in a war obviously you exploit the other
43:38man other person's weakness the other
43:40army's weakness. That's that's how they
43:42think about society and life and
43:44everything else and that's alien to the
43:45United States. So yeah, there's going to
43:47be more Aguilars. There's going to be
43:48more things and they don't they don't
43:49want that. But yes, they are being made
43:51a target and it's clear that Iranian
43:54missiles and uh cruise cruise missiles
43:56and and even drones can all reach that
43:58target. Plus you've got what's happening
44:00in Yemen. There's an embargo. They just
44:02announced they said you embargoed us
44:04we're going to
44:05Saudi Arabia. Yeah, the Houthis versus
44:07Saudi Arabia. And Saudi Arabia is of
44:09course if you're fighting Saudi Arabia,
44:11you are fighting the United States.
44:12You're fighting Israel. If you're
44:13fighting
44:14Kuwait and Emirates, yeah, they have not
44:18gotten rid of their connection. They've
44:19in some way strengthened it to the
44:21United States and Israel. And so this is
44:23a war this is a regional war which again
44:26impacts oil markets, impacts other kinds
44:29of things. And Trump is like
44:32does he think it's I wonder if he thinks
44:33it's a success. I mean, I know he
44:35doesn't get all the good info.
44:36>> Everything he does is success is a
44:38success in his mind, Karen.
44:40He's one of those. It's I mean, you
44:42everything he does is amazing at the
44:44best Trump University, amazing success.
44:48Oh my gosh. Trump steaks, the best
44:50steaks in the world.
44:52You know, let me just ask you this too
44:54cuz we're talking we're we're we're
44:55talking about boots on the ground maybe
44:58maybe not happening. You know, I've been
45:00told between now and September is a real
45:03possibility.
45:04Um September keeps coming up oddly in my
45:06conversations with people. It's cooler.
45:09It's cooler, right. Right. Gives us more
45:11time to kind of flow in. But also
45:15another concern and this was sort of a
45:17more wild thing I had heard. We've got
45:19about 20 B61 gravity bombs nuclear bombs
45:24at Incirlik.
45:25And Trump is
45:27Trump is fixated on Pickaxe Mountain.
45:30Now my understanding is that Pickaxe is
45:33not fully operational yet.
45:36Is it possible the president plans on
45:39trying to send some kind of a message to
45:43Tehran don't keep this going by dropping
45:47a B61
45:4911 or 12
45:52on
45:53Pickaxe knowing it's kind of isolated,
45:56knowing that it's not fully operational,
45:58but yet it would still potentially send
46:01a very serious message. Do you think
46:03that's possible and what would the
46:05ramifications be?
46:06>> Yeah, I I do think it's possible because
46:09they're going to tell Trump, like you
46:10said, it's remote, it's a mountain,
46:13they're operating deep in the mountain,
46:14and our B-61s, we're going to fly in
46:17there like we did long with the other
46:19big bombs, 12-day war. We're going to
46:21fly in there, they can't do anything,
46:23their defense is zero, and then we're
46:24going to put those things right down
46:26deep, and they're not going to explode,
46:29they're not going to detonate. This
46:31nuclear it's going to be a Sir, it's
46:32going to be just like an underground
46:34demonstration. And you know, we've done
46:36that for years, and we're not bound by
46:37any treaties cuz the US just quit all of
46:39them. So, we don't have any nuclear
46:41treaties. Um we're going to do that. And
46:43and if you sold Trump will buy that.
46:45Trump would buy that.
46:46>> Absolutely.
46:47>> Then it's like the biggest bomb ever.
46:49>> And he'll be remembered as that, the guy
46:51who dropped the biggest bomb ever.
46:53>> That's right. And he'll say he didn't
46:54kill anybody or he only killed like, you
46:57know, 100 or 200 people instead of like
46:59this massive thing. And um
47:01it that could be sold to Trump very
47:03easily. The problem is
47:05>> already has.
47:06>> You think? Oh god, that's sad.
47:08>> And then in my mind you now you got the
47:10B-6112s which are air burst, that's at
47:13Incirlik, but then you've got B-6111s at
47:15Whiteman, and we know those B-2s have
47:17been flying in and out of the region,
47:19straight from Whiteman.
47:21>> Yeah. Yeah. If he did an underground I
47:22think he would
47:24>> And that's a bunker buster. That's a
47:25nuclear bunker buster.
47:26>> bunker buster. A nuclear bunker buster I
47:27think he would easily buy off on that if
47:29he maybe like you said he already has.
47:30The problem is um Trump knows nothing
47:33about his enemy. He seems uninterested.
47:36He lies about them constantly, probably
47:37believes his own lies. So,
47:40um he thinks that that will cause them
47:43to bend the knee. Iran's not going to
47:44bend the knee on that. No, what Iran's
47:46going to do is they're going to say, you
47:47know,
47:48this is our holy land. I don't mean holy
47:50land like religious, but this is our
47:52this is Iran. This is Persia. We're not
47:54going anywhere. We've been here for
47:553,000 years. We're staying.
47:56>> Sacred defense.
47:57>> And last one of us is going to die
47:58before any of us leave. We are leave We
48:00are dying here on our land. That's how
48:01we're going to do it.
48:02And uh that's not even up for debate.
48:05So, now you have
48:07dropped this unthinkable bomb. One that
48:09that you know, for all those years when
48:11uh Ayatollah Khomeini was opposed to a
48:13nuclear weapon,
48:15he was opposed to it on on his
48:17interpretation of of uh Islamic code.
48:21You know, he was at this like
48:22technologically and I don't think we
48:24should kill the birds and whatever, you
48:26know, nuclear weapon is bad to the
48:27environment. He was against it for much
48:31more, you know, fundamental reasons uh
48:34that God was opposed to it, that Allah
48:36was opposed to it. My My understanding
48:38is this is not something humans should
48:40do. Which again, you know, a lot of
48:42people who oppose nuclear weapons,
48:44they feel that
48:46it's a it's a it's a step too far. We as
48:49humans should not have the power to
48:51destroy the planet, even though we
48:53already do. Um but they they disagree,
48:55you know, on principle kind of. Like a
48:57you know, maybe not religious, but on a
48:59uh an ethical type perspective. So,
49:02that's a big important reason for them
49:04to hate the bomb. And if that's bomb is
49:06used on them,
49:08they're not going to run. They're going
49:09to kneel. They're going to say, "You
49:11know, you really are the devil. You
49:13really are inhuman and un un
49:16unredeemable. You know, you really are
49:18going to drown in the sea of the blood
49:20of your victims. That's how Actually,
49:22you know, I didn't think it. I thought
49:24this we were just mad, we wanted
49:25revenge. Now that you've done this,
49:27you've proven who you are. So, let us
49:29show you who we are."
49:30>> And they might have rudimentary nuclear
49:32weapons they're keeping in
49:33>> And if they don't, who who might bring
49:35them one or two?
49:37Any of their friends. They got tons of
49:38nuclear friends. And
49:40>> And it's not just the Russians or
49:42Chinese. The North Koreans could easily
49:43offload it. And we know the North
49:45Koreans are all over the Ukraine war.
49:47>> And you know, you you asked about
49:48Russia, you know, Russia is tied down.
49:50Russia is focusing on their problem,
49:52which is our a problem we created for
49:53them that we wanted them to have. But,
49:56you know, North Korea helped with men on
49:57the ground and technology
49:59>> Absolutely.
50:00>> They helped Russia.
50:01>> And and North Korea's been expedited
50:04their technology base has been expedited
50:06because of the the they they've been
50:08getting concessions from Russia, you
50:10know, nuclear technology for their subs,
50:13uh miniaturization, and other things
50:15that they need for their and that's why
50:17they're suddenly now streamlining their
50:19their navy for instance. They have this
50:21new warship.
50:22>> Yeah. Yeah, that's crazy. So So all of
50:25this is if Trump doesn't understand, you
50:28know, if he somebody sells him a great
50:30concept, let's let's uh bunker bust a
50:32nuke into this into Pick Axe Mountain.
50:35Won't kill that many people. It'll be a
50:36great demonstration. Nobody's ever
50:39Yeah. It'll be great. And you can and
50:41you'll be the winner cuz nobody can beat
50:42you on that. Not understanding not just
50:46the Iranian reaction and Iranian
50:47capabilities and the determination that
50:50they have to defend their their country
50:52and their lives and everything else.
50:54But, we're not looking at their friends,
50:57okay? And their friends may not share
50:59Obviously, North Korea, I don't know
51:00what religion they use in North Korea.
51:02It's not Islam.
51:03>> Juche ideology.
51:05>> Okay. [laughter]
51:06Yeah. So
51:07Yeah, they they got to
51:09They worship the state, whatever. But,
51:11um
51:12But
51:13But religion and China is not Islamic. I
51:15mean, there's some some some that are,
51:16but mostly not. And then, you know,
51:18Russia's not Islamic, although they have
51:20many Islamic members. So they and
51:22they're tolerant. All of those
51:24you know, they say China's not tolerant,
51:26but but relatively tolerant. Uh Russia's
51:29relatively tolerant. Um
51:30all of these countries, they're not
51:32coming together on religious basis.
51:34They're coming together because of a
51:35common enemy who has been terrorizing
51:37all of them. And Iran has shown sta- if
51:41Iran has already shown staying powers
51:43and they've shown great effectiveness
51:44and strategy and discipline. Um if
51:47something like that happened, could we
51:49light off all of our enemies? And And
51:52you know what?
51:54I just saw something today on this week
51:56and the 24th of July,
51:58paper gold trading is being eliminated
52:01by all these banks.
52:04>> And so I it's interesting how, you know,
52:07paper gold
52:09you'd think, oh, I buy gold, I own that
52:10gold. But if you never collect that gold
52:12and it's owned by the bank and it's held
52:14by the bank, but yeah, you they sell
52:16multiple paper on it. Just like it just
52:17like we do a fractional reserve banking,
52:19except with gold as the asset.
52:22And um
52:23if you can't All that paper floating
52:25around that may not now be able to be
52:27attached to physical gold, that could
52:29cause some interesting things. But
52:31whatever,
52:32who who need Who has gold and who
52:34doesn't? Well, I would say Russia and
52:36China and Iran and India. All these
52:39other
52:39>> Probably North Korea, too.
52:40>> Probably North Korea, too. I wouldn't
52:42even be surprised. I haven't followed
52:43that, but I'll bet
52:44>> Turkey Turkey has a huge amount of gold.
52:46Yeah.
52:47>> And then
52:47>> They have a lot of bullion in there.
52:48>> doesn't have gold. Well, I don't know
52:50what the Bank of America has, but we are
52:52really concerned probably
52:54we don't have gold. And And And still
52:56gold is held in contempt in the United
52:58States by the government, you know, oh,
52:59you gold bugs are a bunch of nut balls,
53:01you know. But So it's discouraged. The
53:04government won't audit. They won't
53:06prove. It's not interested in looking
53:08into it. But if that market changes
53:12and oil doesn't work because um with
53:15China's help and with alternative
53:17energies that are way generations ahead
53:19of what we have around the world
53:22provided to friends that friends of
53:24China, friends of Russia, which means
53:25not our friends because of our attitude.
53:27We say, oh, no, it's us or them. We're
53:29We're the You have to be on our side or
53:31you hate the other guy. Whatever. Guess
53:33what? We don't get to We are harmed.
53:36Okay? That's also war, you know.
53:38Well, we have a blockade. You know, a
53:40blockade is an act of war. Why? Because
53:42it's stops the economic trade.
53:43>> That's right.
53:44>> Not because people are shooting at each
53:46other, because you have stopped trade.
53:48You've stopped liberty. And
53:50that's a way of warring. Don't think
53:52China is well aware of how it can put
53:54the pinchers to us. Russia the same with
53:56and the rare earth we're already seeing
53:57it. Um helium, Russia both of them I
54:00think said, oh we're not I think China
54:02said for sure they're not exporting any
54:03helium anymore. Their helium is
54:05>> Right.
54:06>> So
54:07all of that puts a hurt on the United
54:09States. Does Trump
54:11is he even getting briefed on it? Does
54:13he Does he have any idea?
54:15>> He he doesn't he doesn't care. He's
54:17being he's being told by the the
54:18Zionists, keep going. All that matters
54:21is that that we get rid of Israel's
54:23enemies cuz their enemies are our
54:24enemies.
54:24>> Oh my god, this is
54:26frightening.
54:27>> It is and that's why I this is why I
54:28wanted to close the show on a very dark
54:31note because I think people need to keep
54:33aware. I know that people some of the
54:36other guests who are very brilliant,
54:38they always kind of poo-poo, well
54:40there's going to be no land invasion or
54:41oh there's not going to be nuclear. We
54:43are well beyond. I just remember Robert
54:45McNamara his second rule for the fog of
54:49war, rationality will not save us. And
54:53um you know, that's my fear and once we
54:56we let that nuclear genie out of the
54:57bottle, even if it's a relatively small
55:00one.
55:00>> That's right, it won't matter.
55:01>> That's it, it won't matter.
55:02>> No, I agree with you and I hope people
55:04are thinking about it. They need to
55:05think about it. Um
55:07we're going to pay the price. We We even
55:09>> We will.
55:10>> Trump or didn't do it.
55:11The the hubris of And also
55:14also the Peloponnesian War is a great
55:16example. Sparta and all those little
55:18city states hated each other, but they
55:20hated one thing more, the Athenians and
55:23we are behaving a lot like the
55:24Athenians.
55:25>> That's right. Absolutely. Oh, I love
55:26that. Good good way to end it.
55:28>> Thank you. All right, and she's Karen
55:30Kwiatkowski, former lieutenant colonel
55:31in the United States Air Force.
55:33Uh your Substack, what is your Substack
55:36again?
55:36>> Karen Kwiatkowski at substack.com. Yeah,
55:38and I said Howard Media Network is also
55:41a place
55:42that we encourage people to check out
55:44all the the people that work there or
55:46>> Okay.
55:46>> that contribute to there.
55:48>> Wonderful. And you can also follow me at
55:50wethebrandon on Twitter X and weikart e
55:53i c h e r t dot substack.com. That's the
55:56Weikart brief for my up-to-date
56:00geopolitical analysis. Right now we've
56:01got one on the oil
56:04in China. So the basically there what we
56:07talked about at the beginning of the
56:07show. So you guys might find that
56:09interesting. I'm working on also a piece
56:11on this Dolphin class submarine that
56:13apparently is floating in the Red Sea
56:15doing something who knows that has
56:17nuclear tipped cruise missiles on it
56:19too. That's an Israeli submarine that
56:22was spotted. So keep an eye out for
56:23that. I'm Brandon Weikart. She's
56:26Lieutenant Colonel Karen Kwiatkowski and
56:28we'll be right back. Thank you.

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