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0:00okay
0:02so if if you want to keep the lead I'll
0:05ask Keith nicely to leave if you don't
0:07want to keep the lead then he can press
0:10on and press on and we'll we'll move on
0:12to the next stages
0:15but I want to give you that opportunity
0:17first
0:26but
0:27obviously everything's fearful if you
0:29tell him to leave and what I'm going to
0:31say is benign
0:32then then he's gonna but we can pull him
0:35back in the room like hey Keith come
0:37back again this is what we talked about
0:41um so so that fear of him wigging out
0:44why is she trying to hide something from
0:46me
0:46there isn't then if there's been helping
0:48me yeah there's no trick here we're just
0:50trying to make sure that yeah if there's
0:52comfortable to stop because you can't be
0:53able to talk to us truthfully
0:57they're up to you they're not asking me
0:58obviously I wouldn't want to be here and
1:00whatever needs to come out and you can
1:01change your mind at the future too
1:05like I said in the beginning you'll
1:06figure it out so if you wanted to chat
1:09with them privately that's fine too but
1:10we want to talk to you we can leave the
1:12room give you guys the room for a couple
1:13minutes
1:15um this next stage of things could be
1:18could be benign could be like I've oh I
1:22we forgot to tell you this or oh yeah
1:24all these things make sense now
1:26um because I could tell you the puzzle
1:28that makes it all come together or I can
1:30tell the puzzle that crashes everything
1:32apart I don't know what that piece is
1:34honestly all I know is facts all I know
1:37is certain specific items that will
1:39either tear the castle down or is going
1:41to build the castle up and I don't want
1:43to
1:43I don't want to build tear the castle
1:45down and not give you
1:48the ability to then fix your own castle
1:50even if it's just a small thing here or
1:52it's the whole castle I want you to be
1:55able to to choose that so we can step
1:59out of the room let you guys talk
2:00because I don't know what information
2:02I'm gonna do if it's life-changing news
2:05or if it's oh yeah everything's fine I
2:09just don't know what it is usually right
2:11we show the pictures because everybody's
2:13invested in this picture
2:15please do the drawings he's the only way
2:17to gave this stuff so Keith has always
2:19been a part of your memory for small
2:21details and that's why he's been into
2:24this whole time and that's why he makes
2:27me feel safe so if he makes you feel
2:29safe too
2:30much absolutely
2:34and again I just don't know what the
2:36pieces are so if I would say hey that's
2:38going to bring the whole world down I
2:39tell you
2:41and then we need to talk talk alone or I
2:46would suggest we talk alone
2:48but that's completely up to you guys
2:49because I don't know
2:52yeah we'll be we'll be right back
3:34I don't want her to be arrested I don't
3:37want to press her I just love her I
3:38don't want to fight her
3:43I don't I don't know I don't want them
3:45to find her you're not listening to me
3:48because she saved my life
3:58looking at our being right now
4:02right now
4:06I just I don't want I want to go down
4:08that road
4:11I don't want to go down that road
4:16because she saved my life and she's the
4:18reason why I get to hold my children
4:19every single day
4:31I don't want them to arrest her
4:33why because she saved my life
4:37so you don't trust her
4:39they still need to find out who it is
4:47no matter what do you think this just
4:50sits here
4:53this comes out and they find the house
4:55it's over whatever happens
4:57and it doesn't matter what you say okay
4:59the girls
5:03so
5:05um
5:08if you don't want to press Start is then
5:11that's a deal
5:20you're making
5:24point where I'm getting scared
5:30that's what you need to
5:33tell me what's going on
5:45foreign
5:53[Music]
6:24I don't know I don't know
6:30yeah I feel like you're you're in the
6:32driver's seat right now
6:33I think it's easier to control things
6:36once you know what the information is
6:38to be honest with you sure so the I can
6:41tell you what it is uh say what it is
6:45when Keith leaves and then you can say
6:48yes or no whether or not you want him in
6:50there for the rest of it right now he's
6:51just am I in the room or at my other
6:53room and I'm and I'm I'm to the point
6:57where if you want them here we'll just
6:58go on with the conversation as long as
7:01you're not interrupting her it's been
7:03awesome oops stay over here
7:06but if he steps out I can say a name
7:09and then you can choose whether you want
7:11you want them in here for the rest of it
7:12or not it's completely up to you or I
7:15can just continue on and
7:17again like I said I wanted you to always
7:20have control uh
7:22over certain aspects of stuff
7:37and we're not to a point where anybody's
7:39going to Trail yet or not to a point of
7:41any anything like that
7:43we're just still at the talking stage
7:45we're at the control stage
7:48you seem scary Sharon
7:53what is
8:21when you don't answer Sherry
8:25it makes me concerned because I want to
8:28hear what your answers are and I want to
8:30be able to
8:32understand
8:34another way to control things
8:41I don't want you to find her
8:43we're not going to find her
8:47she's the reason why I get to see my
8:49children every day
8:51I agree but we're not going to find her
8:53she's the reason what do you mean by
8:54that she means the younger one Let Her
8:56Go
8:57right that's how he's referring to
9:01you we're not going to find her
9:04and we can we can just skip to we can
9:07skip to the rock into the water and
9:09ruffle up the pond if we want to now
9:11again
9:12does your last offer there's the last
9:15time if you want to do this alone or
9:16with Keith
9:17he's been through this also on a
9:19different level
9:21so I'm I'm ready just to I'm ready to
9:26move on and throw the dark and throw the
9:28Rock and see what happens to the water
9:29but sure look at me what do you want
9:34I don't want her to get in trouble she's
9:37not going to get in trouble
9:38so the DNA came back to James Reyes
9:44the DNA that was on you belongs to James
9:48rice the picture and can I get the
9:50picture
9:51the picture of the table
9:55it's James raised his little brother
9:57died recently
9:59yeah
10:00he
10:03he talked to him
10:04we 've been on a polygraph
10:07we talked to everybody around him
10:09we have the rental agreements phone
10:12rental the car rental agreements
10:14we have we have everything
10:17that says that he said he told me that's
10:20James brother
10:22deceased Nick
10:24so everything you've told us so many
10:27truths in this situation the reason why
10:31you can describe the room is because you
10:34stayed in the room in the dark for hours
10:35for days on end
10:37the reason why you lost so much weight
10:39is because you stopped eating the reason
10:42why you got a rash on your arm was
10:44because you cleaned his house
10:46the reason why the brand is because he
10:48went to the store bought the brand new
10:50tools and branded you the reason why
10:52your nose was broke is because of a
10:54hockey stick
10:57I know all of those things and I know
10:59there was no sex I know all of that
11:02because he passed a polygraph test that
11:05said it's not an abduction she asked me
11:09to come get her no I rented a car and I
11:13drove up and picked her up
11:15he passed the polygraph test Sherry
11:19if that's not what happened what didn't
11:20happen Sharon
11:26there's no way there's still winning the
11:30DNA doesn't lie his DNA his DNA was on
11:32him
11:35Robert saw you in the house
11:38while you were down there while
11:40everything is properly control his
11:42cousin
11:44why everything ran out of control on the
11:47initial
11:48there's no way
11:51100 brothers or James's DNA
11:55we've been collecting blonde hairs from
11:57the room
12:00there's no way it's James there's no way
12:03I like that it is why are you saying
12:05it's not here
12:08why are you saying this no
12:14it hurts me what's up we were friends
12:18there's no way and he came and got you
12:21because you asked him
12:23don't when was the last time you had
12:25contact with James
12:28[Music]
12:30brother died in 2017.
12:34that right
12:36I don't remember
12:39was it before or after the abduction
12:44before
12:47when was the last time you saw James
12:56emperor ago when I lived in Southern
12:59California so that's person-to-person
13:02contact you had with him was back in
13:042006.
13:06when you were living in Southern
13:07California I don't know
13:10so was it prior to your marriage
13:18the DNA tells us that it was his DNA
13:22the DNA Alone says it's him
13:25and when we talked to him confront them
13:27with the DNA he told us what happened he
13:29100 told us what happened and gave us
13:31details that nobody else would know and
13:33we can call them and we can all talk
13:36about it
13:37But ultimately keep looking at me for a
13:40second
13:41ultimately we put him on a polygraph
13:43like we did Keith
13:46Keith was inconclusive to be honest with
13:48you
13:49on whether he was involved or not
13:53but 100 James was telling the truth
13:57questions were
13:58did Sherry ask you to come pick her up
14:00he answered yes that was the truth on a
14:03polygraph
14:05we asked if the two of you ever had sex
14:07the answer was no
14:10during 2016 during 2016 during the
14:13abduction he said no that was a truth we
14:16asked him if you asked him to Brand if
14:19you ask them to Brand you
14:21the answer was yes
14:22you passed the polygraph on all of those
14:25questions
14:28he took us to the stores where he bought
14:29the chain
14:31he taught we talked to the friend who
14:32were in the car
14:34a car that he rented drove over 900
14:36miles in a day
14:38on the drop-off point
14:42sure I know there's a lot to take in
14:46although it's not like we don't know the
14:48answers to these questions and the fear
14:50of
14:51fear of Keith's reaction obviously now
14:54he's in the room
14:55the fear of
14:57media the fear of all of these things
15:00are coming are coming forward they're in
15:03front of you now
15:05the only way to get a hold of it the
15:08only way for everybody to come together
15:09and heal the whole Community has to heal
15:12is to for us to be able to say when we
15:16when we presented all of the evidence
15:18all the stuff that came forward
15:21she you told us the truth
15:24he told us what happened
15:26because
15:27you did go in a dark room that's true
15:30you did explain the back seat of the car
15:32that's true
15:34you did
15:36lose weight you were branded your hair
15:39was cut you did have bruises all over
15:41but how those bruises got there are
15:44because you did it and James did so
15:48the reason why your nose got broke is
15:50because you held the hockey stick to
15:51your face and he forced it into your
15:53nose
15:54the reason why the brand is in a
15:56straight line is because he did it he
15:59described exactly where it was he told
16:02us exactly how he did it where he did it
16:04how he did it
16:05only you and I and maybe five other
16:07people know where the brand was
16:09he told me immediately
16:13Robert told friends and family you were
16:15there his mom knew that you were there
16:17because of course it went news and
16:19everybody knew you guys dated everybody
16:20has nothing new you guys had a
16:22relationship so when it happened of
16:24course family reached out to him he told
16:25him yeah she was here
16:27but it said it hurt her I didn't hurt
16:29her
16:37so
16:38what are you thinking Terry
16:40that doesn't make any sense why doesn't
16:43it make sense
16:46what actions doesn't make sense
16:48a lot of it doesn't make sense
16:52can you talk about those
16:54no
16:58James DNA was confirmed on you on your
17:02phone
17:03two of you haven't seen each other in
17:05over a decade
17:07if you told me that you haven't been in
17:09his room you haven't had contact with
17:10him in over 10 years however you just
17:13grabbed his bedroom to a team and this
17:15and the DNA on you was still a vibrant
17:18piece of DNA
17:2010 year old DNA dies
17:23the DNA that was there specifically was
17:25non-sonal fluidness was signals
17:28fractions
17:30you got that from his house somewhere
17:34so whether he was the bed that you were
17:36sleeping on where it was the couch
17:37whether it was anywhere in there
17:42when somebody would come to the door and
17:44be around the property you would call
17:46James James would call Robert which is
17:48lives two doors down Robert wouldn't run
17:51people off the property
17:52Robert told me all of that
17:55James told me everything
17:58to the only person that hasn't
18:01started telling us certain facts there
18:03are certain facts that are true when we
18:05were sitting there talking to James
18:07there were so many truths that were a
18:09part of your story that it's hard to
18:12decipher the lies
18:14until we put it all together until he
18:17says hey why how did you pick her up I
18:20opened up the passenger side seat I
18:22opened the door you jumped in the back
18:23seat why'd you why did you do that why
18:26did you do that I don't know
18:27it was weird
18:30so we're sorry you are you calling James
18:32a liar
18:34do we not are we not believing James
18:36what he told me no
18:43I know I know you cannot believe that it
18:46is James
18:47I can't believe James told us the truth
18:50that's what I can't believe
18:54he passed a polygraph shirt
19:00and he was involved so James is involved
19:03so James is involved but I don't pick
19:06you up
19:07you called James to pick you up you
19:09mailed him a letter with your address
19:11no you used a burner phone to call
19:14another burner phone for James to come
19:16and get you you're saying since you're
19:18married you haven't called James
19:22because earlier you said you had
19:25contacted James
19:27his phone records so that you do you did
19:31the phones don't lie the DNA doesn't lie
19:33sharing
19:34his polygraph doesn't lie so we could
19:36you can go a couple different directions
19:37now his story I've already told you
19:39lying to me is a crime so you walk out
19:41this door telling lies and that's a
19:43crime
19:48this isn't making any sense that's not
19:50making sense sure
19:52parts that it's James no the parts that
19:55don't make sense are that you're
19:57accusing two females
19:59who abducted you when it was James
20:01the part that you were branded James did
20:04it he told me you know who who would sit
20:07there and say no I branded her Brandon
20:09Sherry on her right shoulders like who
20:12doesn't until the power and showed us
20:14the letters that matched the brand took
20:16us to the store and pointed out the
20:18letters
20:23the problem is today today's the case as
20:27a result
20:28everything the only things well
20:31how do we prove that you're telling us
20:33the truth
20:34how do we prove that the truth the truth
20:37is that two women took you but I I'm
20:40telling you it's a male
20:41the the fact that you were branded is
20:44true the small fact is that you
20:46willingly lay down and did it versus
20:49being tied to a table
20:51so we could always we could do the
20:53polygraph and try to whatever parts are
20:55you're confused about can you go and
20:57tell us that can't talk to you outside
20:59real quick
21:01that's fine
21:04foreign
21:20you
21:23can tell certain stories
21:25you missed
21:27that
21:29you couldn't control the DNA that we
21:31found
21:34you're creating control when we talked
21:35to James he'd tell us what happened
21:42the story always was hard for anybody to
21:45understand
21:47the tragedy that the community went
21:49through the events that unfolded
21:52the fear now of what what it all means
21:57but there's without a doubt James's DNA
22:00was on you
22:02can Delight no the likelihood of being
22:06an ex-boyfriend is a problem no it's
22:10astronomical
22:12then you add in when we go talk to
22:15people who've never even heard of us
22:17when we say hey what's going on here
22:19they knew that you were at the house
22:21all of them never came forward
22:25no
22:27no
22:33do you want to call James
22:41this was a long road
22:43I had no idea what he was going to take
22:46me
22:48but right now
22:52continuing and saying the two girls took
22:54use a lie to Peter
22:57it's just a lie because we were able to
23:00prove it with evidence
23:01with a rental car agreement
23:03person driving to a thousand miles in a
23:05day
23:07the DNA on you and him passing a
23:10polygraph it's three legs to a three
23:13links to the table
23:21now's your opportunity
23:27based on your reaction previously what
23:29you're telling me is you did not call
23:31James and ask him to come get you
23:33is that what you're saying
23:37because if that's what you're saying I
23:38have to understand that
23:42there are things he says that we can
23:43corroborate and whatever you say we're
23:45going to try and corroborate
23:47but right now I'm not sure what you're
23:49saying you're just saying you can't
23:50believe it's him
23:52and you're saying you don't understand
23:55but there are deals details he provided
23:57we know he you were in his house
24:00we collected hairs from that bedroom
24:04that's going to have DNA we already have
24:06your hairs that you left with your cell
24:08phone when you were picked up
24:12so that's not gonna lie either
24:15the descriptions you provided are that
24:17room and that house to a t except it's
24:21not a battle driveway and it's not
24:24elevated
24:25and there's not two women who live there
24:31James lives there you know James lives
24:33there
24:36so you might as well get out of your
24:38head that James is not involved exchange
24:40is clearly involved and James already
24:42told us he's the one that did the brand
24:45that's something that he admitted to
24:47Mayhem he admitted to the felony you can
24:50put him in prison how would that how do
24:52you it doesn't just it doesn't jive
24:56it's now it's your opportunity to say
24:58were there issues between you and Keith
25:00is that why you needed to leave I mean
25:02we read your text message we're already
25:04aware of some issues but Enlighten us if
25:06that's the case
25:08there was a valid reason for you to
25:09leave let me know what that was
25:12James said you had your job broken by
25:14him
25:14and that's why I came and got you
25:16because you were an abusive relationship
25:18[Music]
25:20were you an abusive relationship with
25:22him
25:25have you told other people in your life
25:27that like China that Keith is a beast
25:30dude in the past when that wasn't true
25:34China told me that day two
25:38where there was an incident at a party
25:40that you got hurt playing like I don't
25:43know we or Pictionary or something and
25:46then you told other friends that Keith
25:47heard you
25:48when there was Witnesses at the party
25:50that said you just that you got hurt
25:52during a party
25:54and you go tell
25:56James that you were being hurt you were
25:59being abused and you couldn't come
26:00forward because Keith has friends in law
26:02enforcement if all of that is that true
26:10has Keith ever been abusive towards you
26:13we're not talking about my husband I
26:16love breakfast
26:18so why leave
26:22is James lying to us
26:29[Music]
26:30children
26:31you can leave them permanently you came
26:33back to them ultimately no you lost them
26:36every day at daycare so it's not like a
26:42and James talked about that decision
26:44when you were driving down how hard that
26:46was
26:47you left at 10 o'clock knowing that
26:49Keith was going to get home late knowing
26:51you were going to leave the kids at
26:52daycare and how much that tore you up on
26:54the drive down
26:57he told us that
27:00then things got out of control did I
27:02talked about that
27:04he did
27:05something
27:10when they were out of town from work
27:12what happened
27:17who is stuck together guys
27:23like when you're in Eureka you give them
27:25a call
27:26did you start chatting with him
27:29told him some of your problems
27:32when did it turn from just chatting to
27:34his plan to get away
27:38no no no no
27:41you're getting a hold of Donovan Minsky
27:44the night before
27:48we're trying to understand why you did
27:51that too we're trying to understand all
27:52of it
27:53[Music]
27:57what are you doing
28:00oh won't you always talking to other
28:03guys that has got me here
28:07so are you what aspect are you saying
28:10right how how did how does dying other
28:12people got you here we've gone over
28:15here
28:16[Music]
28:21but but we took it a step far though
28:25it's a little different than just
28:26chatting with them I I appreciate you
28:28talking and being forthright about
28:31the other guys you were talking to
28:34when did it turn into something more
28:36obviously you never would have imagined
28:39that CNN in 2020 and Good Morning
28:42America would care about you wanting to
28:45leave Keith or wanting to teach him a
28:47lesson no or wanted to get him in line
28:50[Music]
28:58[Music]
29:03sure how were you talking to James
29:09on your cell phone
29:11or another selfie
29:12[Music]
29:22what's your work cell phone number
29:26I don't remember
29:29gosh
29:33how long were you guys talking
29:37I don't know
29:40why would you have why would he rent a
29:42car and come and get you you don't know
29:45if you don't know that why would you get
29:47in the car and go down to Costa Mesa
29:52those are all things we can verify
29:54Sherry the car rental
29:57the fuel the mileage
30:00the calls from you to him the burner
30:03phone all that can be brewed horrible
30:07I don't think you're a horrible person
30:08sharing I think things went a little
30:10sideways are you like we started this
30:12conversation and I said nobody knew what
30:14this was going to turn into
30:16I didn't know that I'd have people stand
30:18on boxes in front of my office that
30:21Keith would be on 2020.
30:23stupid
30:28from talking to other guys
30:31but why did why did James come and get
30:33you
30:35I know you guys were talking
30:37I know you've said at the path that
30:39Keith has hurt you to other friends why
30:42tell them those details if that stuff's
30:44not true it's one thing to talk
30:47it's one thing to talk it's another
30:48thing to to say abuses are occurring
30:53everybody I talk to about James says
30:55he's the nicest person in the whole
30:57world yeah he may be a hockey player but
31:00he is the nicest person in the world
31:01he's nice to a fault
31:04thank you
31:06I don't I know lots of people I don't
31:08know anybody I'd run a car for and drive
31:10nine hours for it
31:13James did that for you
31:17he thought it was helping you he never
31:20asked you why he never questioned
31:22anything he never put more money on the
31:24line he never asked for anything
31:27he didn't ask for sexual relations he
31:29didn't ask for a relationship after you
31:32he didn't ask for anything
31:34he's never even talked to you since
31:37and he's been quiet until now
31:40and the only reason why he talked is
31:42because we have his DNA
31:44that's the only reason why we got to his
31:46door that's the only thing that led us
31:48to his closet that's the only thing that
31:50led us to the bathroom that's Goofy
31:53and that's the only reason why he
31:54started talking to us
31:56once we showed him once he showed us the
31:58bedroom and we started pointing out the
32:00holes in the wall but you used to have
32:02this boarded up huh and he said yeah
32:04sure he asked me to put boards up
32:08shit
32:10there's nobody's ever going to be asked
32:13to be able to answer why decisions were
32:15made
32:20you don't understand what
32:26what parts
32:27he even showed us sure
32:30he even showed us the letters that we
32:32used for the numbers
32:35I have pictures of them right here
32:41how would you have known that
32:46why did you pick that Bible verse
32:59James spent the Bible verse
33:12foreign
33:13we need to be able to control the
33:16outcome and what's going to happen next
33:18the only thing we know is going to
33:20happen right now is what you can tell us
33:22what you can shed light on and for other
33:25people to be able to
33:28try to understand
33:30if it was a mistake it was a mistake but
33:33at this point
33:34not telling us what happened not telling
33:37us the truth is another mistake it's a
33:40mistake on top of a mistake
33:42right now we can start over
33:45we can we can end we can leave without
33:48without a dirty conscience without the
33:50what's going to happen next
33:52right deep down inside Sherry I know you
33:54know what's right and what you should do
33:57and Chicago
34:04why did you ask James to come together
34:16U.S Donovan the night before to meet up
34:19with you
34:20everything happened at once
34:23you were asking me too
34:26the best thing about this we were able
34:28to prove that diamond never came up here
34:31but now we can prove that James did
34:33the records to prove it
34:39you might not think it was a good idea
34:41now 2020 hentai at the time
34:45why did you ask them to come pick you up
34:54was that I don't know
35:01what's that
35:03kill me too
35:05it has changed
35:08the DNA doesn't lie
35:11his DNA was on you
35:14your DNA is going to be in that room
35:16what it's septillion to do with change I
35:20don't even know how many zeros except
35:21telling us we have to do that's why
35:23despite your description of how far you
35:25might have gone in the car
35:27we already went down there we knocked on
35:30his door
35:31we took those pictures
35:37he understood that the dnaemi so he came
35:40clean
35:41that's your chance to do the same
35:44and if you don't you're going to be
35:46championing your head later and say I
35:48should have told me what happened
35:51to me like that
35:53like what
36:00there's so many fears right now that we
36:02can't even rub our head around it
36:04there's there's too many unknowns that
36:07we can't control
36:08we can't control what what the media is
36:10going to do we can't control
36:13what
36:15what everybody's going to think
36:17the only thing we can control right now
36:19is to control that that James told us
36:22the truth and that's that's a yes or no
36:29what did James lie about what did James
36:31lie to us about
36:32yeah
36:34of the thing of the things
36:36baby oh no
36:40I just don't know there's just no way
36:43give me James I just don't know I don't
36:46know
36:48that's not even the question anymore we
36:50know you're in that room that's already
36:53click you described everything in the
36:56room
36:57what you're saying is it wasn't James
37:00that came and took you up by the
37:01mailboxes is that what you're saying
37:04they're still two females
37:10is that what you're saying sure
37:17[Music]
37:19at the at the end of everything
37:22once we've you had to have known that
37:24this was going to come at some point
37:32s
37:34so many guys
37:39yeah but then how did we get to Costa
37:42Rica Costa Mesa
37:45how do we get to L.A
37:47there's a big jump and a leap from
37:49talking to men
37:51to
37:52getting in a car with somebody but that
37:54getting into a car with somebody is
37:56somebody you had a relationship with he
37:59told us about the abortion he told us
38:02about your guys's relationship
38:05he told us about things that I don't
38:06know if you've ever told anybody about
38:10told us so many things
38:13and he did it all for you
38:15nobody else he got nothing out of this
38:18and you're welcome to go home Sharon but
38:21right now is your opportunity to tell us
38:22the truth and
38:26it can't be
38:32are you saying that it was two females
38:34that picked you up
38:37what's that
38:41every time I ask that question it seems
38:43like you don't answer it
38:47you sat in a room you drew out two
38:50people in a sketchery
38:52or what was two people the ones I took
38:54you that said yes or no
38:57we're pretty clear of what I asked you
38:59earlier what did the younger one do you
39:01said the younger one point a gun at you
39:04[Music]
39:12James was two hours late we have the
39:14rental records for 2016 for the vehicle
39:18used why because we wouldn't look for it
39:22because he told me
39:25wait that's clear to you I don't know
39:31we just this can't we have to control
39:33what we can control
39:37we're to the point did you did the
39:40younger female that you've always
39:41described is she the one that put a
39:43point of value is that true or not
39:48you you do know you told me earlier
39:51so earlier today when we were talking I
39:54asked you what did the younger one do
39:55you told me the younger one appointed a
39:57gun at you and let you go
40:00that's what you said
40:03and you let yourself go you let yourself
40:06out of the back seat and everyone said
40:08bye to James
40:09never thank you never enough just enough
40:13yeah that's what James told me until you
40:15can start telling me that James is a
40:17liar and started pointing things out
40:19James passed a polygraph
40:23my fault that I was talking to him my
40:26fault that I was playing with other men
40:28it was a just stupid thing to do
40:32sorry what's up with my children that's
40:35understandable you're stupid here's the
40:37deal though she's sharing flirting with
40:39other men not a crime
40:42lying to me today yes I cried
40:46big difference
40:48telling your story of what happened to
40:50you isn't a crime and I know you're
40:52scared of what Keith is going to say and
40:54do what's going to happen with you and
40:55your family those are real concerns
40:58but we also need to understand the truth
41:03and you're in the best position to give
41:05us that
41:06you keep saying that it can't be him the
41:09DNA doesn't lie it's him you were
41:11talking and now's the opportunity for
41:13you to tell us
41:15[Music]
41:20[Music]
41:22okay okay sure
41:26and that makes sense
41:28the problem we have is the actions after
41:31the talking after the flirting
41:34there was a big difference between
41:35talking on the phone and getting in a
41:37car with somebody
41:38so are you saying that James got two
41:41females to to kidnap you
41:43is that what you're trying to say
41:46hey
41:49so if James's DNA is on you
41:53are you so either either we're still
41:55saying the younger girl pointed a gun at
41:57you
41:57or we're saying we don't know
42:00you've already told me that today that a
42:02younger girl playing a gun at you you
42:03said you didn't want her to get cut so
42:05are we still talking to the female let
42:07you go
42:12that's where we're at
42:14and and I don't know doesn't have
42:17clarity
42:18on simple questions Sherry
42:21but very a very easy question
42:26did James pick you up
42:29you told me earlier that girl playing a
42:31gun is that is that
42:33detail which one's true it's only one
42:36only one of those are true Sherry
42:40you've told both of them I've told one
42:42you've told the other
42:43which one's true
42:51does James need to go to jail for all
42:53this stuff
42:55that you asked him to do
43:03not ask for this
43:05no nobody asked for this
43:07i cherry I believe
43:10nobody asked for this
43:13nobody asked for ABC News to park out in
43:15your driveway there was no way you could
43:17have predicted that this was going to
43:18blow up and to be as big as it was
43:22not even cop I was going to turn into
43:24this big even when he first got the call
43:25he didn't think that CNN and ABC and
43:28everybody was going to care I'm gonna
43:29find chairs in a couple days because I
43:31found donut and I found I found the
43:33people you're some of the people you
43:34were talking to I've never known about
43:36your work cell phone
43:38stupid
43:39but but we're Beyond we're beyond that
43:42small discretion we've talked about that
43:45discretion
43:46we've talked about Donovan
43:48right remember
43:51we talked about dog
43:55who picked you up was it James or was it
43:58a female that pointed again can you
44:00please answer that
44:03just shaking your head no she will not
44:05get
44:08to you about that I'm not going to get
44:10anything in trouble I've told you before
44:12I do not want anyone to get in trouble
44:15well you're gonna get yourself in
44:16trouble at this point that's where we're
44:18at
44:22right now you're not telling the truth
44:24which is doing something wrong
44:26that's where we're at
44:27James put himself on a polygraph
44:30talk to FBI agents he talked with Peter
44:32and I for six hours
44:35[Music]
44:36he told us everything Sherry
44:39you told us so many truths because you
44:43put yourself through that's true they
44:45were true you're happy you don't want to
44:47talk about the women
44:49so but the the one
44:54we're saying James's DNA was on you we
44:57know you were you were in that room at
45:00his house
45:08you didn't put you in the car yes or no
45:11is that where we're at
45:15to remember you don't remember if a
45:18female pointed a gun at you and put you
45:19in the car is that what you're saying
45:21sure I've always told you I don't
45:23remember getting in the car I
45:25I don't remember getting in the car but
45:28did a female point a gun at you yes or
45:30no
45:36yes or no
45:39so I don't remember the thing you've
45:40already told me that today
45:44it was always
45:46yeah the lady we showed you is with
45:48another age
45:51no I know James opened the door for you
45:54whether you want to forget how you got
45:56in the car I'm okay with that but we've
45:59already you've already established today
46:01that's why I asked you today what did
46:04the younger girl do he said she let me
46:07go and she pointed a gun
46:09we didn't talk about how you got in the
46:10car right now I'm asking you get a
46:13younger female point a gun at you yes or
46:15no
46:18what
46:23I know you know who she is
46:27I don't want everybody to get in trouble
46:31you're getting in trouble
46:35anything but right now as answer this
46:37one question
46:38did a female point a gun at you yes or
46:40no I am done speaking to you until I
46:43talked to
46:46talk I am with my children because of
46:49her
46:51disappointry
46:56there is no way
46:58James he loves me I agree
47:02Sherry if you want to talk to your
47:04attorney that's fine we can wrap this up
47:07if you want to keep talking to us that's
47:08a separate story but you said you wanted
47:10to talk to your attorney so like I said
47:12from the beginning you're free to go and
47:14you can go I would ask you
47:17one more question just for your own
47:18welfare do you feel like harming
47:20yourself
47:21[Music]
47:22do you feel like harming yourself
47:31I'm free to go and do that
47:38if you change your mind you want to come
47:40forward and talk to us
47:54you might have commented
48:10thank you
48:12Lord Jesus
48:22we
48:38oh
48:41I need a little
48:50bit
49:01[Music]
49:12all right
49:14I'm an idiot husband I've stayed around
49:16the whole time but there's not it's
49:19still I can't tell you a lot honestly I
49:21don't know what I told people to let you
49:23know
49:24some of the details so many stuff coming
49:26out to me I mean from my side I feel
49:29like you know my Whole World's Gonna
49:30flip upside down again why is that why
49:32I'm always getting held out why can't
49:34you just hit me with it but I did I know
49:38yeah because this happened Monday
49:40you're saying you can't tell me all this
49:42stuff uh it's an ongoing investigation
49:44so
49:46you're not going to find that answer I
49:47mean there's
49:48that's the way it is
49:50can you help me throw me a bone and then
49:52go I mean she made it up is that where
49:54we're not right or is she trying to come
49:55over the whole another we're not going
49:57to give you any additional details
49:58obviously you've heard the questions so
50:00you can read through some of those and
50:01understand you've seen some of the
50:03photos yeah so you know some of the
50:04investigations
50:07and we did yeah but you can also notice
50:10your reaction compared to her reaction
50:11yeah no 100 that's what I'm saying from
50:14my side but now now you're telling me
50:15okay you guys can go home now well do
50:17you think I want her anywhere around my
50:19kids or around me at all at this point
50:21and again we've talked a lot I don't
50:23know what the next stages of this are
50:25that's why it's not that's why yeah
50:27whatever whatever those decisions are I
50:29don't know but from a we can all agree
50:33she's not all there then obviously if
50:35somebody can do something like that to
50:36their body and try to trick everybody
50:38that they're probably not fit it was
50:40four years ago we can't get into that
50:42but I would say Obviously we are
50:44concerned about the welfare we don't
50:46want
50:46any kind of domestic dispute between you
50:48two we also don't want so give me a
50:51quick legal not legal advice give me
50:53from a sheriff if I don't want her in my
50:56house time what options do I have
50:58a few extreme orders
51:01illegal stuff
51:05I'm not gonna I'm gonna tell her she has
51:07to go to her sister's or something I
51:08mean she's not going through my house
51:09tonight and I got a call the next stage
51:12of this
51:13please give me the courtesy of telling
51:15me when you're going to announce it so I
51:16cannot be in my home
51:18oh God here we go quick well I thought
51:21you said it's ongoing now well we have
51:23to we're going to talk about that but
51:25it's gonna happen quickly he's thinking
51:28tomorrow for everybody in L.A so there's
51:31a there's a hornet's nest in L.A it only
51:33takes one person to go and that say Hey
51:35I know it actually happened I want 10
51:37grand and now they run to La news and it
51:41blows up without our control
51:43so and I don't know the strategy we we
51:45still have to we had to get through this
51:48before we get there but this did is
51:52there anything you can tell me next I
51:53thought you said you're gonna tell me
51:54something when I came back in like holy
51:57the person that we talked to down there
51:58is absolutely involved no I know that
52:01everything you guys that guy's number so
52:04I thought I thought
52:06so that's that's where we're at
52:09and then what did she say
52:11we're just ask you to be patient let it
52:13play out I know it's going to be really
52:15hard but it also makes it easier for you
52:17though the little kids aren't going to
52:18ask you as much as the media will no and
52:20the family members your own family
52:21members and you can look at them with a
52:23straight face and say look they're not
52:24telling me yet
52:25but like you know cuddle right now I was
52:28like well shoot you guys can give it
52:29right in the house I don't even want to
52:30have a car right now
52:34I'm so good range for her to get there
52:36because I need I need to make some point
52:39if you're gonna release it that soon I'd
52:40like to call him I don't know I can call
52:43you today I'm gonna go from this to
52:45another meeting
52:47and that means I mean it's another
52:49meeting
53:02so I think we'll
53:04talk and I'm gonna we'll probably
53:08just probably not going to talk in here
53:09so I got to the car and then I'll be
53:10like I'm not going anywhere if you guys
53:12want to check out the car then come back
53:14up and tell us if you need assistance
53:16I appreciate that
53:19I think my hand out pretty good any
53:21punching walls or nothing obviously we
53:23appreciate that I'm in the shop
53:26okay
53:28all right thank you
53:39foreign

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