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0:03all right let's see we've gone live this
0:04is will
0:05riley and you are watching the break it
0:06down show with pete a turner
0:09that's right hey we've passed a thousand
0:11episodes around here what do you think
0:12about that
0:13whoof uh i mean definitely a good
0:15milestone i mean i think i met you early
0:17on in kind of the podcast empire
0:20but uh yeah this has been going on for a
0:22couple years now you've got some pretty
0:23impressive guests on the show definitely
0:25yeah well you included and you've
0:26brought a number of great guests uh
0:28james lindsey chris ruffo
0:30uh sarah brosh i think is incredible you
0:33know these stories
0:35that you tell in your books but also
0:37you've been telling on the break it down
0:38show in other places it's
0:40it's interesting how do you sort out
0:41what you're gonna what's interesting to
0:43you next like right now i'm going
0:44through hate crime
0:45hoax again and uh boy the book is just
0:48so it causes a you create a powerful
0:51affect
0:52you know where i'm like these stories
0:55make me want to do something write
0:57something you know
0:58explain to people it's really powerful
1:00how do you pick
1:01well i think it depends i mean as a
1:04writer
1:05and as a teacher in a good but what's
1:06called a comprehensive college where
1:08you're in that next tier down from the
1:10top 100 you're expected to research and
1:12put out books but you can kind of choose
1:14what they are
1:15i have pretty broad leeway so i'm i
1:17often just write about things that i'm
1:18interested in
1:19like my next book actually has been
1:21picked up by regnery uh the large
1:24right-leaning publisher i've dropped
1:25most of the books with um
1:28and it's actually going to be a look at
1:30modern american higher education
1:31that's going to you know be funny and
1:33lean a bit right but also ask some
1:35serious questions like do we need
1:36so many people in college um i mean
1:39something like
1:4070 of at least white and
1:42african-american males go on to
1:44a four-year educational institution is
1:47that sustainable for the future like
1:49what percent of those kids actually
1:50graduate
1:51but along the way definitely i'm going
1:53to look at you know the rise of wokeness
1:55on campus
1:56last i looked from i believe was econ
1:59journal live a pretty serious study
2:0018 of college professors at least in the
2:03social sciences identify as marxists or
2:05communists
2:06so what's happening with that what's
2:08going on with the grievance studies
2:09field which have been expanding since
2:11the 70s
2:12but i mean also kind of some of those
2:14deeper questions from my serious
2:16business perspective or serious academic
2:17perspective like
2:19do we need all these college degrees uh
2:21what's the purpose of college who should
2:23go to college
2:24you know why not why not join that man's
2:26army or go to community college for a
2:28lot of these things like
2:29if you're talking about something like a
2:30sales or cosmetology degree i'm not
2:32mocking those but
2:33is spending two hundred 000 with the
2:36university of wisconsin really the best
2:37way
2:38to try to gain entry into that field so
2:40it's going to be
2:41that's going to be a pretty big book i
2:43mean i think will be
2:44reviewed in academia but also probably
2:47in the popular press and the right
2:48leading press so i done a lot
2:51so that that's the next book i also i
2:53wrote a book called
2:54alt wrongs it's pretty much done looking
2:56at the kind of hard right backlash
2:58movements
2:59um i got some offers on that but i
3:01actually think i'm going to drop that
3:02online for free because i'm doing pretty
3:04well financially and i think that that's
3:06something a lot of young men should read
3:08you very much right now often have this
3:10do this dialogue between kind of
3:12you know soy boy communists throwing
3:14soup cans and then
3:15you know alti guys in their dad's
3:17basement on a computer saying you know
3:19the most
3:19wicked racial stuff and i really think
3:21that neither of those is an excellent
3:23path for a young guy to go down so i
3:24have some
3:25you know not jordan b peterson asked
3:27necessarily but some suggestions
3:29you know what what is real how do you
3:31get real knowledge how do you build what
3:33gad sad would call cumulative networks
3:35of information without becoming a
3:36fanatic
3:37so i've got two coming out probably
3:39within the next year
3:40you know barring dramatic failure
3:42becoming an alcoholic or something like
3:44that
3:54are we muted hey pete i think your mic's
3:58off
4:00was because i got an airplane flying
4:01overhead yeah it's one thing to to put
4:02out a book
4:03and and you know make a bunch of money
4:05and and be successful as a writer but
4:06you're trying to do something bigger
4:07you're trying to inform
4:09uh very sowelly and the r-rated thomas
4:11soul as as
4:12you've been called which is hilarious i
4:14i appreciate that you're doing that we
4:16had an interesting guy on the show the
4:18other day his name is john mosley he's
4:19the coach
4:20at easter east l.a community college and
4:23and has the
4:23one of the elite junior college
4:25basketball programs in the country
4:27and they're the subject of of netflix's
4:30first you know like their ex they bought
4:32the rights to the last chance you
4:34and so they're the first uh show from
4:36from this new version of it with netflix
4:38and one of the things he does and
4:40just because it's relevant to the story
4:42he's he's a black guy who went on
4:44college at a high level played some pro
4:46ball that kind of thing but he had to
4:48turn himself into the person that he is
4:50now and that was the perseverance of
4:52hard work and like any great coach
4:54he takes these guys that for whatever
4:56reason through some kind of of
4:58personal calamity or external or
5:00internal whatever have have blown their
5:02chance to go to penn
5:03or you know get that full ride and one
5:06of the things he does is he just
5:08he believes in these guys and is
5:09relentless in his belief and
5:11his his ability to push them past what
5:13they thought was adversity
5:14and into the spot where championship
5:16level basketball
5:19kind of things are the uh this is what
5:22young men specifically need in general i
5:24mean if you're not an elite basketball
5:25player i don't know where you go to get
5:27this kind of guidance but the
5:28when these guys are quitting on
5:30themselves coach mosley's like nah i'm
5:32not going to quit on you
5:33i'm going to go out and talk to these
5:34corporations i'm going to get you to the
5:36next level
5:36i'm going to get you a scholarship you
5:38know i'm going to introduce you to
5:40someone at microsoft that i know and
5:41he's constantly building this machine
5:43that turns
5:44uh under motivated under under believing
5:47in themselves men into these
5:49championship-level people that almost
5:51any business would want to hire you know
5:52in an instant just on potential alone
5:56yeah it's a little more difficult when
5:58you get outside of sports i think
5:59sports in the military are so often used
6:02as examples of
6:03you know positively integrated male
6:05workplaces because they really
6:09they have goals that a lot of men
6:11especially young men can pretty easily
6:14identify with and train for
6:16um you're going to prepare to engage the
6:19enemy or you're going to prepare to go
6:20out there on the ball field and compete
6:22for exactly 48 minutes this type of
6:24thing
6:25it is a little harder to find that kind
6:27of coach figure for
6:29regular life where you want to become a
6:32dentist or something like that i mean
6:33there aren't a lot of programs where
6:36there's someone you know screaming at
6:37you but productively about how to
6:39extract you know lower left bicuspids or
6:42something like that
6:43traditionally this actually gets into
6:44one of my big issues which is
6:45fatherlessness because traditionally the
6:47person that would teach you that would
6:48be your dad
6:49or someone intimately in the community
6:51that your father would know
6:52like a priest hopefully one of the good
6:54ones but you know
6:56or you know a local professional where
6:59you know there'd be a relationship
7:00between your family and his or hers
7:03so one of the one of the things actually
7:05when it comes to dealing with quote
7:06unquote hood kids and i see this with
7:08white appalachian kids too
7:09is the low baseline not of intelligence
7:12but of skills
7:14like absent varsity training
7:17and the military training is really
7:18useful along the same lines by the way
7:20but absent varsity training absent a dad
7:22you're not in college yet it it's tough
7:24for us to realize as
7:26literally grown ass men but you don't
7:27know how to do anything
7:30like one of the arguments that really
7:32irritates me is this claim
7:34by like well-intentioned suburban
7:35liberals like people buy fast food
7:37because it's cheap
7:39no that's not true like the last time i
7:40went to chick-fil-a like a number one
7:42was
7:43879 or whatever it was it's a fine
7:45sandwich but
7:46that's actually not all that cheap
7:48people are comparing this mentally to
7:49whole foods or where they might shop as
7:51an upper-class adult
7:52but i mean the reality is a five-pound
7:54bag of jasmine rice and a four-pound bag
7:56of beans cost combined like six dollars
7:59the problem with making that into
8:01delicious refried beans and
8:03you know lime rice and so on is that you
8:05have to know how to cook really well to
8:07do that
8:08so that skill of cooking needs to be
8:10taught and again traditionally who
8:11taught you that your mom or maybe your
8:13father when it came to the grill or
8:14meats or something like that and absent
8:16that healthy relationship who teaches
8:17you now
8:18but it's the same with anything else
8:19like i think we talked about this once
8:21before off the air
8:22but when i started looking for jobs i
8:24wanted to work
8:26and actually i'm a pretty hard worker i
8:27had blue collar jobs throughout high
8:28school and college
8:29but i didn't know how to get a job so i
8:31actually just like i was on the track
8:32team
8:33so i mean i put on my running shoes and
8:34like jogged up the road to the mall and
8:36just applied for a bunch of jobs
8:37like i would just walk in and say you
8:39know i have will riley athlete local
8:41high school student at the local high
8:42school you're hiring
8:43and because i did that i mean i did get
8:44some jobs and they were things like you
8:46know standing in foot locker in the
8:48referee outfit you know
8:50talking to people right but i mean so
8:52from that and i mean again you have to
8:53be able you have to be fit enough to
8:55move two miles to do that
8:56but from there i learned someone there
8:58told me like why didn't you just go in
8:59the classified ads and i found out their
9:01ads in the paper that list like the top
9:02200 jobs in an area
9:04and from there because this is i mean
9:07early os by this point you know i
9:09realized that there was the internet and
9:10you there was craigslist i believe it
9:12started up and you could go there and
9:13look for jobs and
9:14so on down the line but i mean so
9:16there's a huge transition between your
9:18job application process being get in the
9:20car and let's drive up to the mall
9:22and your jar to the long john silvers or
9:24mcdonald's or whatever because you know
9:26they're hiring but it's going to pay
9:27seven bucks an hour and you're going to
9:29be emptying traps full of fish grease
9:31not there's anything wrong with that
9:32but as versus i'm going to go on to
9:35craigslist
9:36and monster and just put up a resume and
9:37i'm going to let 25 people a day call me
9:40there's really no racial element to the
9:42second one there might be a little bias
9:43in hiring but not much there's certainly
9:45no age element whatever
9:46it's just a matter of knowing how to do
9:48that so i i think that that's one of the
9:50most important things we can teach
9:52people especially young men
9:53like the guy who's able to do that is
9:55going to have 30 times the work
9:57opportunities the guy who's just running
9:58down the street with a resume in his
9:59hand
10:01is there something to the uh that the
10:04stick-to-itiveness it takes to take
10:06do that i mean right now you can put in
10:08you can put in 100
10:09you know resumes on monster and not get
10:11anywhere because
10:12there's 10 000 people applying for the
10:14same job you know so
10:16how do you how do you work on how do you
10:18work on teaching
10:19young folks that hey you know first
10:21opportunity is is you
10:23creating it by out knocking out working
10:25out running out resuming whatever it is
10:27the next person
10:31well i think that
10:34obviously ambition or aggressiveness or
10:37just an
10:38ability to focus in work is pretty
10:40important but again it's
10:42the each additional skill this is
10:44sometimes measured but i think pretty
10:45badly as iq
10:47because again the your tested iq
10:49reflects how much training you've had in
10:50advanced mathematics and so on down the
10:52line
10:53but i mean each level of skill
10:56improves your chances of success so
11:00obviously if you are the most aggressive
11:02of the guys that are just jogging down
11:03the road to the mall which i probably
11:05was like you'll get a job
11:07and it would be a non-abusive job in a
11:09fun retail environment but the job will
11:11pay eight dollars an hour
11:13and then if you are able to access if
11:16you can afford to subscribe to the local
11:17newspaper or whatever
11:18and you can access the top 200 jobs in
11:21your area
11:22again aggression will predict how many
11:24of those you apply to but there's a cap
11:26of 200
11:27and then if you go into you know the
11:30internet world and sure it's slow and
11:32boring when you apply for 20 000 jobs
11:34you have a much better chance again in
11:36almost an order of magnitude higher of
11:38landing a good one
11:39so this again is one of the things that
11:41i say all the time which is sort of be
11:43multivariate as an adult person you know
11:46it's good to be aggressive but it's also
11:49good to be
11:50trained you know it's also good to be
11:52smart
11:53and none of those things by itself
11:55predicts 100
11:57of where you're going to end up in life
11:59um so i i think that's the point but the
12:02more skills you have or the more
12:04virtues for one of a better word you
12:05have to bring to the table i mean
12:07probably the better you're going to do
12:07as a person
12:10one of the things we've kind of talked
12:12about on the show and we've sort of
12:13bounced around the topic here
12:15is is this um we had dan crenshaw on the
12:17show you join me with dash that was
12:18great and he talks about this
12:20victim status that people seem to aspire
12:22to
12:23and and i would say that you need to
12:24answer him for aspire because you're
12:26sort of
12:27devaluing yourself and one of the things
12:29i love to say and i've put it on
12:31facebook a couple times because it's
12:32you know it's a it's a dilemma for the
12:35left
12:36but i believe in black people i believe
12:38in people in general that can go out
12:40and they can outwork their problems so
12:42in the military and
12:43on the on sports football and those kind
12:45of things
12:46you have to play up to a standard you
12:49know you don't want to let anybody else
12:50down you're you're pushing yourself to
12:52be a better player i mean michael jordan
12:54is considered even better than he was
12:55because
12:56he elevated his team you know dan marino
12:59did this he'd look at a guy and be like
13:00if we telekinetically you know go hey
13:03i'm going to throw you this ball right
13:05and so all of these
13:06require an uplifting we always talk
13:08about all boats you know rise at the
13:10tide
13:10and if we're all preparing to be a
13:12better person if we're all aspiring to
13:14to not let each other down isn't that
13:18who wants to be a victim in this case
13:20like who wants to be
13:22yeah i read i got really into laura
13:24ingalls wilder's writing and i was
13:26reading you know everything like the
13:27things that she wrote the things that
13:28wrote about her
13:29you know and this libertarian idea that
13:31she has yeah and yet there's some
13:33there's some government help in there
13:35but here is a lady who who had to make
13:37it on her own her mom and her family had
13:38to make it on their own they had to go
13:40out and do
13:41the vast majority of the work what makes
13:44this
13:44victim's status you know this um i want
13:48to turn myself
13:48into this micro micro micro group so
13:51that you guys can appreciate how hard it
13:53is for me what makes that palatable for
13:55people
13:57well i think that they're different just
13:59as i mean the old joke is in high school
14:00and other jocks and nerds and
14:02quote-unquote freaks and so on i think
14:03there are different groups in society
14:05that have
14:05different kind of hierarchies in terms
14:07of what they value
14:09so we're talking about competitive
14:12mostly males in kind of the business
14:14world like how do you get the best job
14:16in sales
14:17how would you do in the army how do
14:18athletics play into this and so on
14:20and i don't think in any of those worlds
14:21being a victim is especially highly
14:24praised
14:25i don't think you see a lot of hate
14:26crime hoaxes in the u.s
14:28marines for example because i don't
14:30really think it would be taken all that
14:31seriously if someone said you know
14:34i was beaten up because of my ethnicity
14:37and was unable to effectively defend
14:38myself and i have no way to identify who
14:40did it i don't necessarily think that
14:42would be
14:42a good way to move up and rank or to
14:45avoid teasing or something like that
14:47so i mean i'm sure there are serious
14:48sexual assaults and so on that are
14:50reported in that environment
14:52but victimization itself doesn't have
14:54cachet
14:55but there are other sectors of society
14:57like modern higher education where there
14:58very definitely is
15:00an advantage that attaches to being a
15:02victim and i mean this gets into some of
15:04the stuff we've talked about before i
15:06mean where we've discussed
15:07we had a whole episode once on a dr
15:08kennedy's books if i would call
15:09correctly
15:10right yeah yeah and his argument is that
15:13any failure like any gap between
15:15groups where one group underperforms has
15:18to be
15:18due to racial prejudice essentially the
15:22only other option
15:23is some kind of genetic inferiority that
15:26we don't even want to discuss
15:27and something that comes out of that
15:29that i don't think a lot of people
15:30automatically understand is that this
15:31means it's good to be losing to some
15:34extent
15:35if you are on the losing side of a gap
15:38in performance between two groups you
15:40must be being oppressed
15:42and the logical flip side of that is
15:43that if you're doing well
15:45you must to some extent be the oppressor
15:48um this is what by the way what makes it
15:51so
15:51weird and ambiguous when you see
15:53well-intentioned left-wing people talk
15:55about jews and asians
15:56because it's obvious on one hand that
15:58these are victimized minorities i mean
16:00we love our jewish and asian countrymen
16:02but they
16:03lead the nation and hate crimes annually
16:05they're these small
16:06successful minorities that everyone
16:07picks for robberies it's obvious they're
16:08suffering a great deal
16:10but on the other hand they're rich so if
16:12you accept the candy formulation
16:14that means that they must somehow be
16:16oppressing someone
16:18who are they oppressing you know the
16:19african-american guys they live in the
16:20same hood neighborhood with it doesn't
16:22make sense
16:23but it has to be if you're a religious
16:26believer in this stuff
16:28so one of the things you've seen is
16:30people in this environment where
16:32victimization i.e having a cherished
16:35defeated status
16:37is a source of power falsely claiming
16:39victimization
16:40one of the wildest things that i learned
16:43writing hate crime hoax and i think that
16:45most other people that look at this i
16:46mean there's an entire website www
16:49fake completely different set of cases
16:52from my own
16:54um i mean not every single one but an
16:56entirely different data set
16:58but i mean if you look at their work or
17:01at mine
17:01one of the things you find is that
17:02almost half the cases
17:05on the website originate on a college or
17:08senior high school campus
17:10or grad school campus something like
17:11that so a huge
17:13majority of them come out of this hyper
17:15woke student environment
17:17and i i don't think that's a coincidence
17:20and this ties into a lot of other
17:21phenomena like when you look at the
17:23number of kids identifying
17:24not even just as trans but it's
17:25something like non-binary dimmy queer
17:29or the number of people advocating for
17:31example for
17:32being overweight as kind of a condition
17:36of oppression that fat rights movements
17:37an entire field of academic study now
17:39more than nine departments i believe you
17:42know all this stuff like the
17:43identification of mental illness to the
17:44point where traditionally
17:47considered fairly mild conditions like
17:48adhd or in twitter bios and so on
17:51there has to be to some extent an
17:53element of people
17:54saying well i'm not just a well-adjusted
17:57middle-class white person from cleveland
17:59i too have some kind of oppressed victim
18:02identity
18:03and i don't even hate on these people
18:04this much and there's a there's an
18:06element of protective coloration to that
18:07right
18:08like if you're on a college campus where
18:10regularly at a major seminar someone
18:12will say we're going to let
18:13all these students of color and people
18:15with a a non-normative identity speak
18:17first you can either sit and wait your
18:20turn for two hours or you can say well
18:22you know as a
18:23dimmy queer overweight bisexual
18:26jewish woman i too can speak and so i i
18:30do think their whole sector is a society
18:32where you see people focusing
18:33on how hurt they are or how defeated
18:37they are
18:37rather than how victorious they are
18:40because that is a source of power
18:42and this this ties even into history i
18:43mean the people that would traditionally
18:45have been considered glorious conquerors
18:46like we assume that all humans are
18:48you know fairly bad and predatory to a
18:50roughly equal degree until
18:52pretty recently following the era of
18:54genuine racism but i mean so there's
18:56traditionally been some respect for
18:57people
18:59you know pizarro genghis khan whatever
19:02whether this is justified or not
19:03who are able to fight well beat other
19:05warriors and dominate large areas of
19:07society
19:08so now that that has fallen out of
19:10fashion you see
19:11instead perhaps people idealizing the
19:13opposite who can be
19:14the the softest the kindest the most
19:17hurt
19:18person uh and again that that that's
19:20something that goes on in a world very
19:21different from the world
19:23in a barracks but it's a world that
19:25exists
19:27we have shades of this thing though in
19:28the military i mean just for example the
19:30push-up is a
19:31common measure of performance and we
19:33have a minimum standard and we have a
19:35maximum standard
19:36and then we have like this above above
19:37the standard scale right so you can
19:39you know if you're and and a lot of
19:41people struggle to meet the minimum
19:43requirement which is
19:44nothing that recognizes any kind of
19:47special fitness this is just a very
19:48common person that can literally push
19:50themselves off of the ground 30 times
19:52you know they can run two miles in
19:55something other than
19:56you know like nothing greater than 10
20:00minutes a mile i forget what the
20:01standard is it is not
20:02challenging and then they got like folks
20:04like myself like i always wanted to
20:06to be peak in my physical fitness so i
20:08always wanted to score off the scale in
20:09as many events as possible
20:11and anybody i mean literally anybody can
20:14train their body
20:16to to improve wherever they are to get
20:18to the minimum standard for sure but
20:20potentially
20:21quite a bit higher i mean if you just do
20:23more push-ups if you just spend four
20:25times a day
20:26doing push-ups until you just fail at
20:28being able to do them anymore
20:30you will over the course of them i mean
20:32their muscles they just they just get
20:33stronger they
20:34just get more used to it you get used to
20:36the pain it's uh
20:37it's funny because you can take that and
20:39take your career a lot more into your
20:41own hands and so if someone's deep you
20:43dramatically improve your pt score or
20:45you show up with i remember
20:47when i was in the uh the operations
20:48office you know i would have
20:50a a hidden list of all the pt scores and
20:53whenever i saw mine i wouldn't know it
20:54was mine unless i have to remember my
20:56scores
20:56i'd be like holy [ __ ] who's that badass
20:58right
21:00they're badass scores and i'm not the
21:01only guy in this entire battalion but
21:03i'm looking and i'm measuring like these
21:04guys are all fast
21:06they're doing a lot of push-ups these
21:07these are people and we all do this we
21:09recognize this if you want to go to sf
21:11or you want to go to ranger school
21:12the first thing you do is as a physical
21:14fitness test
21:16so if you want to get on to a good team
21:18if you want to get picked up by good
21:20commanders like i need this guy
21:22it's not the person who's easily
21:23defeatable because it turns out in the
21:24military
21:26being defeatable is in no way a thing
21:29that you want
21:30you know we can put a lot of people to
21:31work your weakest link is
21:33still your person that you're trying to
21:34get a hold of but that
21:36um that ability to build a team
21:39that can compete at the highest level
21:42and
21:42be combat effective is critical and it's
21:45based upon you know
21:46among the things can you shoot and can
21:49you run
21:50you know those are the things yeah sorry
21:53i turned off the
21:54cam for a second jane just walked behind
21:56me like
21:57but essentially so i mean there there
22:00are a couple different things there so i
22:01mean i
22:02actually agree with you like i
22:06i was curious about whether i'd be good
22:08enough as an athlete to compete in
22:09college for example when i was in high
22:10school so i would certainly do things
22:12like look at how
22:14my ability to run the mile or something
22:16like that
22:17matched up with other people in our
22:19district i mean i was in
22:20and i wouldn't have been better good
22:21enough for anything but like d2 or
22:22something but i mean
22:24our conference was the upstate eight so
22:25you could keep track of all the boys
22:27they're
22:27all the men in the conference pretty
22:29easily again this is like the early age
22:31of computers people did that
22:32so yeah obviously that that's
22:34traditionally been the thing that people
22:36who are competitive
22:37do like if you're on a sales floor when
22:39i was doing that in chicago we would
22:40literally put everyone's sales up on a
22:43big
22:43board for marcus evans or any kind of
22:45serious trading floor environment
22:47and it gets pretty competitive like you
22:49don't want to not be
22:50on the board or you don't want to be if
22:52the top 10 guys out of 40 are ranked you
22:54don't want to be the guy who's listed
22:56number 10 about to fall off
22:59you know obviously so that that's the
23:01traditional way to gain
23:03status but i also think i mean there are
23:06different ways to gain status like have
23:08you ever heard the term sneaky [ __ ]
23:10strategy
23:13i got this from a man gad sad one of the
23:15country's top social scientists but um
23:18the sneaky [ __ ] strategy is an
23:20evolutionary strategy so like
23:21traditionally
23:22most males have tried to be
23:25among humans among similar predator
23:27mammal species have tried to be
23:28basically good performers to
23:31attract women um so humans have
23:33generally wanted to be
23:34the best warrior the best athlete maybe
23:37if you were a little less physically fit
23:39you'd want to be the best red winner
23:40you'd be like the merchant the
23:42phoenician merchant or something like
23:43that
23:44and if you were just in that second tier
23:46you'd be dangerous enough that everyone
23:47the first year would respect you and
23:49you'd pursue
23:50women in that solid second tier there
23:52are a lot of jokes about this in male
23:53dating like i'm going for the sixes and
23:55sevens tonight that kind of thing
23:56so they're traditionally you would be a
23:58performance-based mating strategy
24:00but biologists have noted in recent
24:02years that among a number of different
24:04ape and predator species there's another
24:06way of getting laid
24:07which is essentially to trick
24:10people to like orangutans for example
24:12are notorious rapists which we don't
24:14need to get into
24:15but more often for example there are
24:16species that where males can mimic
24:19females and essentially sneak off
24:22with the female once or twice a week and
24:24then produce children which the alpha
24:26male will raise is his
24:28um and this can go like male feminist
24:31justified or not are sometimes accused
24:32of this in our society where
24:34the mating strategy is getting close to
24:36women
24:37that have been offended by men who are
24:39too aggressive and masculine or that
24:41perhaps have been dumped
24:42and sleeping with them repeatedly and
24:44then trying to initiate a relationship
24:46so i think that to some extent we're
24:48seeing a sneaky [ __ ] strategy when it
24:50comes to
24:50[Music]
24:52obtaining power with a lot of this woke
24:54stuff
24:55so if you have to compete to obtain
24:58power if if
25:00the people that get into college are the
25:01people with the highest sat scores
25:03who would all be asian or jewish cough i
25:05mean great respect for those people but
25:07in fact the white and black guys arguing
25:08about this would not be in the top
25:10thousand but if the people that get into
25:11harvard are just the people with the
25:13best sat scores in the country
25:15then everyone has to compete to get the
25:18best sat score in the country
25:20there's no other practical logical way
25:23of getting into harvard but the the sf
25:26alternative let's call it is to use
25:30some kind of woke opt out from the
25:33competition
25:34instead so then you have a sideline of
25:37people competing to perform the highest
25:38on the woke opt
25:39out so if if you can convince harvard
25:43that because of the terrible oppression
25:44that being a bisexual woman
25:47involves jane you're free to walk past
25:48by the way if you want to um
25:51but if you are if you can convince
25:54harvard
25:55that the the terrible oppression of
25:57being a bisexual woman
25:58is so awful that you deserve
26:02200 additional points on the boards when
26:06those are calculated you've just gained
26:09an advantage
26:10that would require thousands probably
26:13tens of thousands of hours of study
26:15so in a sense you've competed very well
26:17quote unquote evolutionarily
26:19you've found an alternative trap door
26:23around the normal competition
26:25the equivalent would be um i was in a
26:28road race once that was just
26:29wildly sketchy this was in the chicago
26:32things on the south side of chicago i
26:33don't know i don't know how we ended up
26:34competing but like a couple guys from my
26:35team signed up
26:37and after the race we're all we're all
26:40sitting around
26:40like a park talking flirting and one of
26:43the guys who'd finished pretty high up
26:44in the race just said
26:46to be honest you know i got into a car
26:49after the first mile and just drove
26:52you know set whatever number of the
26:54miles got out and went back on the race
26:56course
26:57because i didn't want to embarrass
26:58myself in front of my girl but i also
27:00didn't want to run
27:0010 miles and i mean those kind of those
27:03kind of cuts
27:04exist everywhere in life it's just been
27:06considered traditionally dishonorable to
27:08take them
27:09but if you're willing to take them and
27:10if that's socially accepted i mean you
27:12then
27:12i'm kind of rambling here but you then
27:13get people competing for this
27:15alternative form of status
27:17who has the level of victimization
27:20sufficient to knock off the most points
27:22on the test
27:25right i'm thinking about there's a lot
27:28of questions i have based off of this
27:30part of the conversation
27:32and i'm i think it's important to also
27:35note that
27:36again if you're defeatable i mean like a
27:38warlord is just a person who just
27:40decided to take complete control of
27:42their life right
27:43and so if you're defeatable i'm either
27:45going to
27:46enlist you into my into my warlord
27:48status thing
27:49or or i'm going to kill you i mean
27:52that's that's it i mean i'm going to be
27:54cut and dry because i'm trying to
27:55control things
27:56and it's really tough to survive sure
27:58there's always been a sneaky [ __ ] but
28:00there can't be too many
28:01in a tribe you know because it just
28:02isn't going to work out because the
28:04alphas are going to
28:05sort out the the weak and and
28:09marginalize or you know ostracize or
28:12some other kind of eyes them
28:13when we look at these things are we that
28:16much
28:16removed from you know a time 10 000
28:19years ago
28:20when uh you know yeah a sneaky [ __ ]
28:24maybe even two sneaky [ __ ] but after
28:26that it's gonna be dangerous to be a
28:27sneaky [ __ ] i mean you look at them
28:29i'm watching this great thing on netflix
28:30now about this uh art heist
28:32in boston and uh there's a whole bunch
28:35of mob guys involved they all keep you
28:36know
28:37ending up with their heads cut off in a
28:38in a ditch or in the trunk of their own
28:40car and all these kind of things right
28:42this is this thing where if someone
28:44chooses to come along and impose their
28:46dominance on you because you're
28:48defeatable then it's really hard to
28:51survive
28:52and and make it in a way that makes any
28:54kind of comfortable sense i guess i
28:55would say
28:57sure i mean i think to some extent
28:59that's true but i also think that people
29:01that live by the sword tend to
29:03underestimate the power of people that
29:05live by the pen
29:06so i mean there are definitely still
29:08arenas in society
29:10agriculture the competitive military
29:12religion industries versus business so
29:14on
29:15as sports that are dominated by pretty
29:18traditional
29:19aggressive kind of paradigms of behavior
29:21which i think is usually pretty healthy
29:23but i think that
29:27the the way that those who prioritize
29:30kind of
29:31alternate means of competition regulate
29:34that
29:35is that they they in general are more
29:37likely to try to control kind of the
29:39means of expression what you could call
29:41discourse
29:42so if you look at academia for example
29:46i mentioned the major recent study that
29:48found that 18
29:49of professors identify as marxists
29:52another like 25
29:54identified as radicals and like 20 these
29:56are all different categories identified
29:58as activists
29:59so people that believe that our society
30:03is in some way deeply screwed up um
30:06and that don't maybe like face-to-face
30:08physical competition and fighting
30:10very often move into arenas where for
30:13example
30:14you can teach other people's kids how to
30:16believe and how to behave
30:18um you've got the mass media and tech
30:22which are almost entirely
30:23dominated by fun but nerdy kind of
30:27tier two bros would be a good way to put
30:29it that have some
30:30some sf characteristics and again if
30:33someone's talking that you don't like
30:35if you look at a lot of things that have
30:36recently happened you can just remove
30:38them um i mean so like yesterday on
30:41twitter there was
30:41james o'keefe who's the founder of
30:43project veritas and who is
30:45a bro a funny guy uh has been doing this
30:48this entire set of penetrations no pun
30:51intended
30:51of mainstream media where like he sent
30:54his guys into cnn to apply his interns
30:56or whatever
30:57and they recorded these incredible
30:59interviews from like
31:00top 50 people in cnn saying things like
31:03climate change
31:04is going to be our new made up covent
31:05crisis not of course the covet was
31:08entirely made up it certainly was
31:09exaggerated originally but i mean that's
31:11a quote
31:12you know um matt getz we're gonna try to
31:15get him we're gonna run
31:16every negative story on him because he's
31:18a
31:19prominent fairly high ranking very
31:21conservative republican and this is all
31:23on video you can find it easily online
31:24just by googling project
31:26so like the next day um o'keefe is
31:30entirely removed from twitter it's the
31:32rare permanent ban and like you've been
31:34in the military i've been in a big
31:34business let me know what this
31:36is they're slapping the guy down he's
31:37lost rank you know it's obvious what
31:39happened
31:40but the the excuse given was um
31:43he had an alt account like apparently
31:46there were different accounts for
31:47project veritas that you could track to
31:49one ip
31:50and again that doesn't even mean
31:51anything where they're using hootsuite
31:52that they have like a router and a
31:54shared house it's just meaningless
31:55nonsense in my opinion
31:56but uh he's completely gone so if some
31:59funny
31:59ex-athlete exposes your network as a
32:02bunch of hacks
32:03do they ever get to talk again it's not
32:05cutting off at its head but it's
32:06definitely sewing his mouth shut you
32:08know if you want to put that in you know
32:09classic competitive terms
32:11um you know another sector would be the
32:13ngo
32:14sector where if you want money um if
32:16you're in higher education if you're in
32:18much of business if you want a grant
32:20again the people that control those
32:21money flows tend to be
32:24very much on that political left and
32:26very much in that urban
32:27lower upper class again kind of sfe
32:29category of persons
32:31so i i think what you see is the nerd
32:33competition probably goes back to the
32:34merchants versus the soldiers and sparta
32:36there's nothing wrong with it inherently
32:38but this is the format of it that you
32:40see today where the the jock types the
32:42the athletes and industrialists so i've
32:44risen to never before expected levels of
32:46money and prominence
32:47but the people that would perhaps prefer
32:50a different strategy of life
32:51now control the tools that let you talk
32:54so it it's interesting
32:56and i mean people say these things like
32:57i don't care i'll just go to gab you
32:58know but
32:59there's a major difference like people
33:02that have been
33:03de-platformed by these kind of sneaky
33:05little guys frankly
33:07uh donald trump milo yiannopoulos
33:09whatever you might think of him
33:10you know louis farrakhan for that matter
33:12on the black guy side the original
33:14libertarian party page those guys are
33:16just gone
33:17i mean like donald trump is no longer a
33:20frequent news headline because donald
33:21trump is no longer on twitter
33:25yeah that's uh also i'm no longer on
33:28twitter i'm not
33:29officially banned but uh i made a joke
33:32about
33:32zachary taylor back when um someone i
33:34forget who the congress person was but
33:36when she tried to drop files or papers
33:38of impeachment on joe biden and i'm like
33:40this just gotta stop
33:42you know if you get next thing you know
33:43someone's gonna come after zachary
33:44taylor
33:45and uh and he's gonna you know you know
33:48punch you in the mouth by proxy
33:49this is zachary taylor getting impeached
33:52would cause one of his minions to go out
33:54punch me in the mouth
33:54apparently that was deciding violence
33:56even though zachary taylor's been dead
33:58since 1850
33:59and uh so i said this is clearly a joke
34:02and then they said no it wasn't you can
34:04appeal so i appealed again
34:06and then i've just been stuck in this uh
34:08this spin cycle you know and i
34:10ultimately don't care it's twitter who
34:11cares about that but you're right like
34:13here's something where there's all kinds
34:15of comedians that have said way more
34:16dangerous things
34:17there's been journalists that have said
34:19demonstratively dangerous
34:21insightful horrible things about races
34:23of people and everything
34:24and and they're they're encouraged to be
34:26on there and i guess also i read an
34:28interesting uh
34:29paper article today in the new york
34:31times and all of these institutions have
34:34compromised their integrity so
34:35completely that
34:36i go into this reading like okay what is
34:39this going to be and it's by andrea
34:40williams and she talks it's called
34:42we have no right to destroy them and it
34:44talks about the
34:45emergence of jackie robinson as a major
34:47league player and how the major league
34:49teams win it
34:51turned all these black players who
34:53wanted to come turn them into free
34:54agents you know
34:55it's the first former free agency but
34:58you could also turn that around and say
34:59all of the negro league teams that were
35:02in in the business of making money with
35:04black players also didn't
35:06and weren't able to make an agreement
35:08with the major leagues and see
35:10you're holding a group of people to a
35:12standard that
35:13no business would take like if if ibm
35:15recognized a pocket of a thousand people
35:17who would dramatically improve their
35:19their team their product and they have
35:21no agreement other than to make one with
35:23the person that they want to hire
35:24why would they go to somebody else and
35:26make it more expensive for them like
35:28there's no business that would do that
35:29but we hold these impossible standards
35:31on people that are dead
35:33and and we don't get anywhere with this
35:35right so we have this this mess
35:37of cancelling people doxing people
35:41there's all kinds of things on you on
35:42the internet where it's like what's his
35:44race because they want to assign you a
35:45belief system and everything and it's
35:47like
35:48stop doing these things and and ask
35:51ask will what he what he's about ask
35:53pete what he's about because i'm going
35:54to tell you i believe in you
35:55in your ability to outwork problems that
35:57you in the u.s you can be severely
35:59autistic
36:00and still be marketable for the right
36:02kind of job that's not common in the
36:04world
36:04that's not common at all so we have to
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37:05link there um i was going into the whole
37:07thing about the la times
37:08i'm sorry the new york times article
37:10about
37:12uh the negro leagues and and how they
37:14bled talent into the majors because
37:16there was no
37:17a business agreement and and whether
37:18that was right or wrong there was no
37:20business agreement these are businesses
37:22they didn't
37:22they didn't have the foresight to have a
37:24contract they weren't able to take
37:25people to court
37:26and and uh and players who were at a
37:28lower level were able to play at a
37:30higher level
37:31these things the silencing of people
37:34it seems like being disingenuous
37:37is the left's business and it's hard to
37:39take them serious when
37:41you know terms are constantly being
37:42redone i can't believe that kindie's
37:44work
37:46can get through peer review there's no
37:47way you can replicate this work reliably
37:49without running
37:50i mean a number of of statistical
37:53analysis
37:54common tools you know i i just don't
37:56understand how we get away with all of
37:58these things in society
38:01yeah well a couple things first of all i
38:02mean very little of candy's work
38:05goes through peer review i would
38:06speculate i mean i
38:08wrote a book that was much more
38:09methodologically focused
38:11except for the uh the hate crime hoax
38:13graphic itself which
38:15um i discussed with the national
38:16association of scholars for a pretty
38:18major piece
38:19um i mean that that wasn't peer-reviewed
38:22but
38:23and so i mean i can't imagine that
38:24candies for a pure popular press
38:26would be and i mean that that's kind of
38:28the get around with a lot of this stuff
38:30and again one of my goals over the next
38:31couple of years next two years is
38:33writing four or five very serious
38:34journal articles
38:36just so i can't get hit with this same
38:38barb of like oh riley's pretty smart but
38:40why doesn't he take that to the
38:41conferences
38:42first of all i do but i mean that's a
38:43that's a legitimate argument on both
38:45sides of the debate so okay i'll do this
38:47to show you i'm pretty good still but
38:49um candy's sociology from all i've heard
38:52is pretty solid but the the stuff like
38:53the only cause of a gap
38:55is could is racism that i guarantee you
38:57that's never been to like the asa annual
38:59conference
39:00so that's that's the short answer there
39:03but yeah when it comes to
39:05the the redefinition of words i think
39:07this is a major problem
39:09i think politicians on all sides engage
39:10in this but i think it's been a
39:12characteristic
39:12of the left going back almost to
39:14foucault and marcusa
39:16and i mean we've seen some just wildly
39:18ridiculous examples lately like
39:20uh when it came to court packing the
39:22other day i mean so the democrats openly
39:24want to pack the supreme court
39:26right there's legislation being proposed
39:29that would change the number of justices
39:31on the court from 9
39:32to 13. and this is incredibly
39:35incredibly consequential because the
39:37democrats control the congress
39:40and technically speaking they controlled
39:42the senate the only hope is that joe
39:44manchin or maybe kamala harris won't do
39:45something absolutely crazy
39:47but again that relies on the democrats
39:48not being able to bring one republican
39:50around
39:51you know um but
39:54that is that's something that is
39:56actually being considered right now
39:57formally at the level of legislation and
40:00when they were confronted about this
40:02jerry nadler gave a press conference and
40:04he said no we're not packing the court
40:05we're unpacking the court which is
40:07packed by president trump
40:09and what they're trying to do is confuse
40:12successfully winning a supreme court
40:15nomination and appointment session i.e
40:17brett kavanaugh
40:18where there was some contestation where
40:20he was accused of sexual harassment and
40:21this sort of thing
40:22they're trying to confuse that mildly
40:24sketchy loading of the nine-member court
40:27with actually increasing the size of the
40:29court
40:30which is what court packing has always
40:32always meant it's never meant anything
40:34else
40:34so that that's a classic example of this
40:36kind of verbal redefinition
40:38um i mean another example of this comes
40:41up in the transgender debate where
40:42you're now seeing people say they want
40:43to ban conversion therapy
40:45and the first time i heard this you know
40:47i thought well i must be against that as
40:49well i mean whether or not you think
40:51everyone that identifies as trans has
40:52gender dysphoria
40:53we don't want trans people forced to
40:55dress like men or something like that
40:57if they identify as women but that's not
40:59what it means
41:00what conversion therapy means is that
41:03you do not
41:04favor giving chemical castrators
41:07to young children so that they don't
41:09experience puberty
41:11so like the absence of conversion the
41:13opposite of conversion therapy
41:15is giving your kid barely legal drugs so
41:18that they never go through puberty
41:19that's what's supposed to be good
41:21and this kind of word play occurs at a
41:23level deep enough that most people don't
41:25even recognize it
41:26most people simply say well yes i am
41:28against conversion therapy
41:31most people simply say yes i am against
41:34court packing and they have no idea
41:35what's meant
41:36by this nonsense so yeah i mean this is
41:38this is a major political strategy and
41:40it occurs
41:40definitely on the left and yeah a lot of
41:43the ideas that really support it i mean
41:45at the level of the major published
41:46books and so on probably haven't gone
41:48through
41:48extensive peer review i mean you could
41:50say you know no more than
41:52you know a jason reilly column has or
41:54something like that on the right but
41:56the difference is that i don't think
41:58that jason reilly or someone in that
42:00position is presenting this
42:01as undisputed science whereas a lot of
42:04this stuff that comes out of like the
42:06journal of qualitative
42:07fat studies or something is then held up
42:11as the science without the average
42:14person necessarily understanding well
42:15there's a big difference between
42:17the science as in physics and the
42:20science as
42:21in this is my qualitative conclusion
42:27to a paper with one quantitative table
42:29in it about what gender means so
42:31some differences yeah and
42:35you know when you go through that peer
42:36review you're looking at as a scholar or
42:39someone licensed to do
42:40uh research you're looking for the
42:42boiler-plated
42:44regression models and you know all of
42:46all of the tools that you would use
42:48you know we tend to want to make really
42:50complex problems
42:52into single variant problems we've
42:53talked about multivariate problems
42:54before here on the show a lot with you
42:56and with other people but when you have
42:58something that's written and there is
43:00one table or whatever it is again how
43:02does this get to review how does how
43:04does someone
43:05allow this kind of baloney to get
43:08through like okay if that's true then i
43:10should be able to go out and find that
43:11and i'm not going to find it because
43:13you've not applied rigor professionally
43:15so do these i mean
43:17but yet people get peer-reviewed
43:19published through these things
43:20it's maddening to see this happening is
43:23is the standard that low now that you
43:25can i mean obviously uh
43:27you know james and his crew they got a
43:30bunch of things through
43:31james lindsey uh that were ridiculous on
43:34his face you know translating
43:35my conf and all that kind of thing but
43:38is there any
43:41no i mean so well i i think so i i
43:44actually think that after the james
43:45lindsay thing
43:46uh so actions have consequences and i
43:48encourage people on kind of that same
43:49center right to keep making points that
43:51obviously are
43:52true because it's hard to deny something
43:53that obviously is true men and women
43:55both exist and that kind of thing
43:57um you know and i actually don't want to
44:00get into the trans question i mean
44:01gender is different
44:02from sex to the extent that gender is
44:04recognized as a definable concept but
44:06the males and females
44:08certainly exist no one really disputes
44:09that i mean that's sort of an obvious
44:11point and when people say that sort of
44:12thing
44:13um i i think that most people listen to
44:15it and automatically say well that's
44:17true and so radical ideas are pushed
44:20back
44:21to you know try again another day
44:24so i i definitely do think there are
44:26some pulls out of the dip here but
44:27yeah when you talk about academic peer
44:29review first uh just
44:30as i started my comment by saying i
44:33think that
44:34the james lindsay kind of so-called hoax
44:36part two
44:37really showed a lot of people that are
44:39smart layman kind of what that means
44:41because there's a tendency in the usa
44:43where we beat the germans and then the
44:44russians were competing with the chinese
44:46using science
44:47to kind of reify science like oh a
44:49psychologist said that
44:51i mean to an extent where you saw every
44:53professional woman in your life putting
44:55their entire title on their twitter and
44:56facebook bio after joel biden got late
44:58lightly made fun of but i mean james
45:01lindsay and those guys applied to a
45:03bunch of top 50 journals
45:04and got papers accepted that were just
45:07completely ridiculous
45:09the most ridiculous one to me actually
45:11was the one that advocated for fat
45:13bodybuilding
45:14where they said that to be a bodybuilder
45:16you don't have to be fit
45:18there's no real reason you couldn't be
45:20incredibly strong but also
45:22200 pounds overweight eating whatever
45:24you wanted
45:25um and i mean that was i believe it's a
45:28journal of fat studies i mean a major
45:29national journal
45:30accepted it um there was another one
45:32where they said that the best cure for
45:34male homophobia was anal sex
45:36or i guess technically it was toy play
45:38but they they said that
45:40men who engage in regular anal play are
45:42less homophobic than those that don't
45:44which
45:44isn't even a crazy idea but then they
45:46sort of reckon they didn't sort of
45:47recommend they said that a good way to
45:48cure homophobia would be anal sex for
45:51homophobic guys if i recall the paper
45:52correctly i don't know how you're going
45:54to get him to agree to that but i mean
45:55this again you know
45:56taught a major well-known journal there
45:58was the one about dog
46:00parks where they said that the question
46:02that sometimes jokingly asked about it
46:03is is the doggy position feminist for
46:05animals
46:06but where they pretended to look at the
46:08difference in reaction to dogs being
46:10humped by
46:11males versus males versus female dogs or
46:14is the owner male or female and they
46:17have this obviously fake data set in
46:18there
46:19i mean so when people saw all of this
46:23i i do think they began to question some
46:25of what's going on
46:26the short answer as re-peer review is
46:29that peer review is generally journal by
46:31journal
46:32so if you are applying to the top
46:34journal in physics or even political
46:36science you're going to be very harshly
46:37peer-reviewed
46:38if you are applying to a journal and i'm
46:40making this up with a name like
46:42black radical feminist qualitative
46:46philosophy
46:47the people that are friendly with that
46:49journal and that are in its pool of
46:50agreed editors are going to be the
46:51people who review you
46:53so it might be much much more difficult
46:55to get a mainstream conservative piece
46:57published there than to get complete
46:58nonsense published there
47:00and i assume without you know critiquing
47:02journals out of field too harshly i
47:04assume that's what happened in like
47:05hypatia and all the these journals that
47:06james lindsay submitted to
47:08um one of the things people forget is
47:11that ideology makes
47:13scholarly fields really really
47:15unreliable
47:16like this actually is an almost
47:18mathematical almost scientific point
47:21so generally what you call policy
47:24preferences match
47:25partisan preferences so if you're
47:27looking at ways to solve poverty
47:30there are eight or nine major ideas that
47:33go from the conservative to the liberal
47:34end of the spectrum or on the right you
47:36have
47:36charter schools and enterprise zones
47:38which we know work pretty well and on
47:39the left you have ubi which we know
47:41works okay i mean you have eight or nine
47:42positions
47:43across that spectrum uh maybe in the
47:45middle you have something like a
47:46civilian conservation corps mandatory
47:48military service for people
47:50but all of them are not stupid all of
47:52them match party idea
47:54or party identification the problem
47:57with fields like sociology where 97
48:00of people are on the radical left is
48:03that
48:0397 of people can agree with
48:07the radical left like policy preference
48:10that's rejected by almost everyone in
48:11mainstream society
48:13so if you if you just interviewed 100
48:15people with a bachelor's degree or more
48:17iq over 120
48:18and you asked them how would you deal
48:20with transgenderism in kids for example
48:23i would say the large majority of them
48:24would probably advocate what's called
48:25watchful waiting like don't abuse them
48:27never tolerate bullying but see what
48:29happens take them to a therapist
48:31if almost everyone in your field is a
48:33fringe radical though it's very easy to
48:35get around to the friends radical
48:37position which is
48:38transition now in many cases being the
48:41dominant being the heavily majority
48:43position
48:44and this is why things like affirmative
48:46action abortion
48:47in month nine which is pretty close to
48:50being murder if we're speaking frankly i
48:52mean
48:52a lot of this stuff a massive gun
48:54control is almost
48:56universally preferred if you look at
48:58studies of newsrooms
48:59if you look at studies of academics so
49:01on because everyone has the same ideas
49:04and i'm actually not even coming at this
49:05from a hard right perspective because
49:07i'm not hard right this would be the
49:08same thing if everyone
49:10in these businesses actually was quote
49:12unquote on nazi you know an alt-right
49:14pepe the frog profile picked you know
49:18young son of a [ __ ] i mean you'd get
49:19the same
49:20sort of radical extremism or worse but
49:23that that's not the issue we're dealing
49:24with now
49:25what we're dealing with now is that the
49:26people in the popular press news rooms
49:28are
49:28you know 93 liberal and left-leaning
49:30moderate so that's going to get you a
49:32different set of biases
49:35what has happened that may actually i
49:37want to ask you a question about race
49:38because it's
49:39such a confounding thing one of the
49:41questions i love to ask
49:42black guests i don't always ask it
49:44because it's a hard question is what
49:45does the black community owe itself
49:47and and they struggle either one to have
49:49a good answer
49:50for this because it is a very hard
49:52question but it's a fair question
49:54and then or or they say oh i ain't
49:56answering that here like that well that
49:58will cause me a lot of problems
50:00if we really care about race if we
50:02really try to want to improve the
50:04condition of black folks in the united
50:05states
50:06i mean they're the most likely to be
50:08murdered by people
50:09who look like them and i'm not trying to
50:11be racist i'm just you know referencing
50:13the numbers here
50:14you look at how many black men are
50:16murdered in this nation it's greater
50:17than the number of veterans that kill
50:18themselves and we're desperate to solve
50:20that problem
50:21why aren't we desperate to solve these
50:23problems why why does the black
50:24community struggle to
50:26to reckon with what it owes itself as a
50:28community why is that such a hard thing
50:30to
50:30bring up because i mean i believe in our
50:33ability to solve our problems but if
50:35we're afraid to even discuss it we're
50:36afraid to even
50:37hold ourselves accountable you know how
50:40in the world are we going to solve these
50:41things
50:44yeah it's a it's an interesting question
50:46i mean so
50:47what does the black community owe itself
50:49i mean i think the same kind of normal
50:52you know life-affirming behavior that
50:55members of every community
50:56uh owe to one another first of all i
50:59actually i'm libertarian enough to think
51:00that you don't owe
51:01anyone else anything but non-aggression
51:03i mean when people who appear to
51:05personally and politically dislike me
51:06say things like you give me half your
51:08money because it's moral
51:09i mean my default response is kind of
51:10laughter like i don't really identify
51:12with that at all
51:14um so what do i owe everyone in the
51:17country who happens to be black i mean
51:18that that comes down to the same sort of
51:20thing
51:21non-aggression friendship if we like one
51:23another but in terms of what actually
51:26in the in terms of the sense in which
51:28you meant that what what ideas or
51:30policies would help the black community
51:32move forward
51:34um i think that to a certain extent
51:36there are these same common sense ideas
51:37and policies that would help the
51:38poor white community or recent
51:40immigrants or whatever move forward
51:42um i think that in general the lower the
51:45crime is in an area
51:47the easier it is for people to live
51:49there
51:50and i mean there are obvious things like
51:53more diverse police officers i.e like
51:56more officers but a diverse range of
51:58them in black areas that reduce crime
52:01um i think that the better you perform
52:04in educational environments the more
52:06likely you are to be successful as a
52:08group
52:08and again there are things there like
52:10the development of study culture which
52:12has been a problem for black people and
52:13for southern whites by the way
52:15through the charter schools that have
52:16been really really successful at fixing
52:18that problem in black communities
52:19so i don't think there's anything that's
52:21unique to black people who are now
52:24average black household which is
52:25generally one person and maybe a kid
52:28income over 45 000 per year i mean i
52:30don't think that most black people are
52:31desperately struggling
52:32but looking at the issues that exist
52:36like crime
52:36fatherlessness and academic struggles
52:39and taking real steps to fix those is
52:41what the black community owes itself
52:43i think right now the racism
52:45conversation is almost a distraction
52:47so there are two different things going
52:49on at once
52:51one racism exists but two it doesn't
52:54have much to do with most modern
52:55problems
52:56so if you talk to an intelligent
52:58sociologist like my
53:00guy rod graham online or any of the
53:02people he goes back and forth with on
53:03twitter and other social media
53:05um and even some of my buddies angel
53:07eduardo javier bonilla
53:08i mean one thing that you'll normally
53:10hear is well look we still do the audit
53:11studies and we find that
53:13eight percent of people or whatever it
53:14is express racist attitudes
53:16so for example you are slightly but
53:18definitely less likely to get a call
53:20back if you have a black name on your
53:21resume than if you have a white name
53:23uh the study i usually cite as a
53:24political scientist is that they did a
53:26really good version of the work
53:28for vote for question over at i think
53:29pew research recently
53:31and they found that eight percent of
53:32people fully eight percent wouldn't vote
53:34for a black person for president with
53:37all these caveats like they're wildly
53:39qualified they're a member of your
53:40political party like just a measure of
53:41pure racism
53:43um and it's an easy step from taking
53:45that
53:46to as ibrahim candy does saying well
53:49that obviously explains all the gaps
53:51we're seeing let's let's work on fixing
53:52racism and then then we'll talk to you
53:55about everything else
53:56but everything else won't exist because
53:57racism will be fixed
53:59the problem with this though is that if
54:01you look deeper it doesn't make a ton of
54:03sense
54:04um at least in the modern era and for
54:06the past 40 years
54:08the same level of racism is existing
54:10against a bunch of other groups so in
54:11that same sort of vote for
54:13question study widely known major poll
54:16um we found that nine percent of people
54:18wouldn't vote for a jew
54:20or a hispanic i believe it was seven
54:22percent for a woman
54:24uh and then you got into real prejudice
54:26that still exists it was i think 19
54:28for a mormon 21 for a gay guy 40 for a
54:31muslim
54:32and the problem with this is that many
54:34of these groups like jews
54:36and muslims are the richest in the
54:37country hispanics face the same amount
54:40of money uh bigotry as blacks would
54:41actually earn
54:42pretty dramatically less money at least
54:43at the individual level and there's
54:45obviously a variable that comes into
54:47that language fluency
54:48so just just looking at racism and
54:50saying this explains everything is
54:51really
54:52pretty non-productive um when you look
54:54at those major black problems i cited
54:56like fatherlessness
54:58um crime and academic struggles
55:02it's really notable that most of those
55:03are pretty recent so
55:07certainly once you adjust for class
55:08certainly in the 1950s i don't think you
55:10would have seen a dramatic difference
55:11between working class whites and blacks
55:14whites and say appalachian blacks on on
55:15some of those metrics
55:17but i mean walter williams has pointed
55:18out around the time of world war ii
55:20the black fatherlessness rate was about
55:22ten percent whites were doing even
55:23better that was like four percent that's
55:25not really the point
55:26today the rate is uh if i have this
55:28correct 72
55:29for african americans almost 40 for
55:31whites so
55:33saying that ethnic conflict which is
55:35dramatically decreased for whites and
55:36blacks
55:37or racism which has decreased about 90
55:39for black people is responsible for this
55:41is pretty silly i in general advise
55:45just identifying the problem itself as
55:48we would in business to the military
55:50and solving the problem okay there
55:53aren't a lot of fathers around can we
55:54actually
55:54start enforcing the child support laws
55:56which we know
55:58will bring fathers back into the picture
55:59what can we do to cut back welfare
56:01the question of why there aren't fathers
56:02around and to what extent white black
56:04people fighting 100 years ago had to do
56:06with that so i don't really and this
56:07could be a personality philosophy that
56:08is important at all
56:12when we look at these problems you know
56:15veteran suicide is always a good example
56:16you know one there's too many and that
56:18gets into the
56:19territory of the war on suicide and we
56:21never know what the final point is
56:24how much racism can you actually boil
56:27out before you get to
56:28an impossible you know chaos focused
56:31number i mean
56:32you look at how many police patrols
56:34there are in the nation
56:36and how many deaths and the number of
56:38deaths look they're all tragedies but i
56:40would bet that
56:41i don't know the numbers on this the
56:43number of people significantly injured
56:45or killed by a falling tree or a tree
56:47limb
56:48is comparable to the number of people
56:49that are shot and killed by the police
56:51and of those people that are shot and
56:53killed by the police we know this that
56:54some of these people are
56:55suicide by cop they're deeply mentally
56:59impaired
57:00um or or they're just you know in a
57:02position where everybody can go
57:03yeah that guy needed to die you know i
57:05mean there are times when that happens
57:07so we we have this desire to have these
57:10perfect outcomes but that's just not
57:12reality i mean the craziest things
57:14happen that's why there's that chaos
57:16level so what are
57:17is there a rule of thumb for things like
57:18this where police violence or
57:21anything you know where racism cannot
57:23you can say like we know when
57:24unemployment like anything below this
57:26level and we're kind of not worried
57:27about unemployment anymore because
57:29folks are working give us a sense for
57:32that well if you can
57:33i mean i think we're pretty close to the
57:35default level of
57:36let's move on to the next when it comes
57:38to a lot of these issues like i don't
57:40know about racism
57:41we'll talk about that in a second by the
57:43way i shout to brad hutchings in the
57:44comments who said something like stop
57:46making excuses let's develop robot
57:47fathers
57:48that's pretty funny um the interesting
57:51thing is we don't we don't yet know how
57:52some of these things will work in a
57:54hundred years i mean i don't see any
57:56reason that gene splicing technology
57:57could make humans more or less
57:59aggressive
58:00or make young mothers more or less
58:01likely to take care of their kids for
58:03example i mean
58:04i would have no problem using those
58:06technologies to promote the traditional
58:08human virtues for example
58:10um you know robots are a bit iffier but
58:13i mean
58:14couldn't couldn't you have something
58:15called like the cradlebot 1206
58:17that would monitor i mean but not
58:20nothing crazy but it would monitor like
58:21the glucose levels in a baby's
58:23bloodstream so you know when the kid is
58:25sick
58:25so you know when the kid is eating a
58:28poor enough diet that that'll affect iq
58:30i don't really see any reason we
58:32couldn't do those things
58:33you know we might find in the end that
58:35there are some tiny residual
58:37class and race and regional differences
58:38when it comes to things like
58:40you know tested math intelligence i
58:41personally don't think we will to
58:43any real extent when it comes to race
58:45but even if we do i mean i certainly
58:47think that the things we can do to
58:48equalize
58:49diet and so on in the next hundred years
58:51we'll we'll make a lot of this seem just
58:52primitive to us today like
58:54you mean they used to feed their kids
58:55sugar water and leave them alone in
58:58front of
58:58radioactive boxes you know it's like the
59:01old irish midwives that would dip a
59:03piece of cloth and bourbon and just
59:05stick it in the kid's mouth and now
59:06we're just sort of like that's why they
59:08made all those drunks huh you know
59:09it's horrible i think we'll be seen in
59:11very much the same way with our 70
59:13father absent rate and our you know kids
59:16raised by nickelodeon and so on
59:18and this is across all groups but i mean
59:21anyway when i think when we talk about a
59:23lot of these issues like cop shooting
59:24we're pretty close to the default
59:26position of good performance right now i
59:29mean
59:29there are at minimum 35 million police
59:32patrols that involve a stop
59:34in a typical year in the usa that's
59:36probably closer to 60 million stops by
59:38the way i see that the figure i often
59:39use was identified by someone in law
59:41enforcement patrols with a stop
59:42so you can have two stops but i mean out
59:44of that number of minimum
59:4640 million stops there were a total of
59:4818
59:50unarmed black people killed by police
59:52last year
59:53and i don't see why we need to racialize
59:54this there was a total of a bit under
59:56100
59:57people huge white and hispanic majority
59:59poor whites actually may be the people
1:00:01most likely to get shot as friars
1:00:02pointed out but
1:00:03a total of about a hundred men shot by
1:00:05police unarmed probably genuinely
1:00:07troubling cases
1:00:08no i personally think all 50 or whatever
1:00:10cops involved in that should at least
1:00:11face a trial should at least be in many
1:00:13most cases probably fired as officers
1:00:15no reason if you can fight well enough
1:00:16there's no reason to shoot an unarmed
1:00:18man 18 times in my opinion you might
1:00:20disagree coming from combat situations
1:00:22but i mean that's not a massive issue
1:00:26we need to be able to say that in a
1:00:27country of 350 million people
1:00:30i mean you're talking about if you take
1:00:31the full 100 figure and you view them
1:00:33all is unjustified which probably isn't
1:00:35the case
1:00:36i mean you're talking about a one in 350
1:00:40000 per patrol
1:00:44per cycle for the officers chance of
1:00:48being killed if you're just a guy
1:00:49minding your own business that's a tiny
1:00:51tiny infinitesimal chance that's on par
1:00:53with being struck by lightning
1:00:54so when people say we need to rip the
1:00:57system down we need to
1:00:59institutionally dismantle policing we
1:01:01saw congresswoman rashida claib say some
1:01:03things like this
1:01:04a closing line of her tweet was it's
1:01:05just not fixable i mean
1:01:07it's not even broken i think that
1:01:10there's not a massive issue there
1:01:12the d one of the things that i will say
1:01:14having grown up in the hood
1:01:16spent a lot of time decent amount of
1:01:18time traveling a lot of time competitive
1:01:20business and you obviously were a
1:01:21military man
1:01:22there's a tendency among people that
1:01:24haven't competed to assume that the
1:01:26default for things is utopia
1:01:28this is that golden age [ __ ] like if
1:01:30this is that rousseau
1:01:31idea that like before we set up
1:01:33governments and militaries people were
1:01:35these
1:01:36noble savages living under trees
1:01:38drinking ice cold water eating acorn
1:01:40bread
1:01:41and the reality is that we were naked
1:01:43savages hunting wild pigs with sharp
1:01:45sticks
1:01:46i mean it was like the camping trip from
1:01:47hell you could never settle down
1:01:51you know warriors from the other tribe
1:01:53can jump out of the bush at any time
1:01:55take all the women in your band i mean
1:01:57so this has never
1:01:58ever been true but it's still to this
1:02:01day this golden age fantasy of before we
1:02:03developed you know what capitalism
1:02:05whiteness a sense of unified blackness
1:02:08countries flags whatever
1:02:10bs thing things were perfect no they
1:02:12weren't they were worse they were a lot
1:02:13worse
1:02:14um but it's that idea that under when we
1:02:17look at something like an eight percent
1:02:19rate of racism at the level of the
1:02:21workforce vote for
1:02:22question like at the level these classic
1:02:24measurements of
1:02:26bigotry that means we've almost got the
1:02:29problem licked
1:02:30it doesn't mean that we are
1:02:34too far away from the normal level of
1:02:37zero the normal level of racism for
1:02:39humans is probably 100
1:02:42like everyone would be skeptical of the
1:02:44tribe over the hill that wears the color
1:02:46red instead of green
1:02:48if it weren't for our social
1:02:49conditioning and interracial dating and
1:02:51so on
1:02:51so what's a figure for measured racism
1:02:53where we can relax maybe five percent
1:02:55but to some extent we're just making it
1:02:56up like eight percent's not all that bad
1:02:59you know my told for age i mean i would
1:03:02imagine as you get older you become more
1:03:03tolerant and less worried about that
1:03:05kind of thing
1:03:06maybe well actually i think you become
1:03:07more racist as you get older like you're
1:03:09you're i think my understanding is
1:03:11you're more comfortable with the races
1:03:12you grew up with which would be like
1:03:13whites and blacks
1:03:15but if you look at maybe natives out
1:03:18west but if you look at like the
1:03:19reaction of people toward mass
1:03:20immigration from
1:03:21other nuclear powers like india i
1:03:23guarantee you like old
1:03:25white or black men are not more tolerant
1:03:27like are not less likely to you know do
1:03:29a voice
1:03:30and make fun of the new immigrants or
1:03:31something um
1:03:33and for me all this is a like there's so
1:03:35much in this debate that's never
1:03:36discussed
1:03:37like a big problem for both the woke and
1:03:40the alt-right perspectives on a lot of
1:03:41this for example is that almost all
1:03:43hispanic
1:03:44or south asian immigrants are caucasian
1:03:46i mean genetically you're talking about
1:03:48like a 90
1:03:49similarity to central if not western
1:03:51europeans
1:03:52so when you say something like look at
1:03:54these i mean look at
1:03:56these hispanics struggling while we
1:03:58white succeed it's like that's not a
1:03:59valid comment
1:04:01you can't say something like whites do
1:04:02well but afghans don't
1:04:04no none of this is racial none of this
1:04:06is genetic
1:04:07the vast majority of this stuff let's
1:04:09say ties into
1:04:10questions of culture background tribes
1:04:13so on
1:04:14but i think when it comes to just like
1:04:17one point when it comes to
1:04:19moderating the effect of tribalism so
1:04:21that our cops no longer shoot every
1:04:22irishman they see or
1:04:24most people are willing to date
1:04:25interracially i think we're doing pretty
1:04:27well
1:04:28the other thing is is uh these these
1:04:30categories that we seem to choose
1:04:32one we boil every problem down to a
1:04:34white or black problem when that's just
1:04:35completely unfair especially in a nation
1:04:37with
1:04:38usually the second largest nation or a
1:04:40second largest population than other the
1:04:42home nation
1:04:43in our country and there's a lot of
1:04:44people here from a lot of different
1:04:45places
1:04:46if you were to line up all europe like
1:04:48one european who's representative of
1:04:50that country
1:04:51everybody there is like that guy's
1:04:52swedish he's the guy going down the pipe
1:04:54if we lined up all those folks albania
1:04:56georgia whatever it's going to be
1:04:59you wouldn't be able to pick where they
1:05:00were from and they would look
1:05:01dramatically different eastern european
1:05:03folks maybe it's a jewish guy from
1:05:05ukraine that comes out
1:05:06it would be all it's completely
1:05:07different and you would look and be like
1:05:09there's no way i could judge all these
1:05:10people it's the same thing
1:05:11same thing with the hispanic world we
1:05:13say hispanic or people of color how
1:05:14unfair
1:05:15to take away you cannot put a puerto
1:05:17rican a mexican and a colombian together
1:05:20and say you're the same people
1:05:21like that is as that is as
1:05:24bigoted a thing as you can do it's
1:05:26completely intolerant
1:05:28and and unfairly stereotyping i thought
1:05:31we were getting past this stuff but
1:05:32apparently we're not
1:05:33so when we look at race i mean it's kind
1:05:35of it's it always disappoints me when
1:05:37people go straight to race or oh this is
1:05:39this person is a black this or whatever
1:05:41what does black even mean ethiopians are
1:05:43black western europeans are black
1:05:46sudanese people are black and if again
1:05:47if you put them in the same situation
1:05:49they're going to be people they're not
1:05:50going to be
1:05:51just black you know yeah now
1:05:55i i will say there's an interesting
1:05:57conversation here because i mean talking
1:05:59to
1:06:00some of the genomics people for taboo i
1:06:02mean they're they're very definitely are
1:06:04human haplotype groups so we can
1:06:05logically call races
1:06:07i mean if you go to the 23andme website
1:06:09you'll see i think there are 56
1:06:10regional populations that are very
1:06:12recognizable like slavs
1:06:14that break down into four or five larger
1:06:17groups that differ maybe two or three
1:06:19percent
1:06:19in terms of those characteristics that
1:06:21vary with race at all
1:06:23so i mean a larger group would be west
1:06:25uh what is it west asian caucasians or
1:06:27what we think of as arabs and turks and
1:06:28alike
1:06:29uh european caucasians are whites um
1:06:32west african bantu are actually about 85
1:06:34percent of the blacks if i have that
1:06:36correct and so on down the line
1:06:37so i mean it's certainly like you can
1:06:40say that someone is of west
1:06:41african bantu descent and i i do think
1:06:43that's meaningful
1:06:44the the issue with a lot of this so like
1:06:47when you say
1:06:48mexicans colombians and puerto ricans
1:06:50aren't the same people
1:06:51that's actually an interesting and
1:06:53obvious point because i mean the average
1:06:55mexican guy is mestizo i mean
1:06:57white and native the average colombian
1:06:59guy is just white and the average puerto
1:07:00rican guy is
1:07:02black to some extent i mean 50 or so
1:07:05african descent what's interesting
1:07:07though is if you look at like
1:07:08wikipedia's list of
1:07:09racial groups by household income they
1:07:11all do almost identically in the usa
1:07:14so again that gets into the point that
1:07:18genes explain this pretty badly and
1:07:20levels of racism explain this pretty
1:07:22badly
1:07:23you do see shared cultures that develop
1:07:26over periods of a century or two
1:07:28for different groups like hispanic
1:07:31american has been a pretty recognized
1:07:33thing since the 70s if not the 20s
1:07:35um the question to some extent is how do
1:07:37you change the variables that input on
1:07:40those cultures to be wonky like
1:07:42to me the obvious cause of black and
1:07:43poor white fatherlessness is just
1:07:45welfare
1:07:46i mean like it's considered a little
1:07:47simplistic when conservatives say that
1:07:49it's just
1:07:49obviously accurate like you saw the rate
1:07:53of black illegitimacy go from
1:07:5510 again to 23 during the moynihan
1:07:58report 72
1:07:59today and if you track that along with
1:08:02the graphic mapping welfare increases
1:08:03they're identical
1:08:04so i mean in you even saw the
1:08:07stabilization of that at around 70
1:08:10after clinton and gingrich reformed
1:08:11welfare and after we actually started
1:08:13policing again
1:08:14uh in the early 1990s now i mean you
1:08:17could argue that now that we're doing
1:08:18the reverse it could go up again but
1:08:19there's only so far you can go from like
1:08:2170
1:08:22for that matter 40 or fifty percent for
1:08:23most the white group so i don't know if
1:08:25we'll get that more epidemic
1:08:26but yeah things are things are pretty
1:08:28complicated definitely i would agree
1:08:30they're
1:08:30the just simplistic answers like well
1:08:33that's the black guys don't generally
1:08:34work out very well
1:08:36those guys are lazy just like the
1:08:38mexicans like good good god
1:08:41except the mexicans are technically all
1:08:42white i mean are all white and mestizo
1:08:44that's i mean like it really is it's
1:08:46interesting actually to me as a social
1:08:48scientist that a lot of this is so
1:08:50awful off the reservation comes to mind
1:08:53but it is so forbidden as a research
1:08:56area that people don't really make these
1:08:57points
1:08:58like the fact that mestizo black and
1:09:01white hispanics have pretty similar
1:09:03incomes
1:09:04would completely debunk a whole bunch of
1:09:06both very woke
1:09:07and kind of ulti narratives it would
1:09:09seem this isn't the main thing i
1:09:10researched but like we we know that's
1:09:12true like mexicans and puerto ricans
1:09:14have the same income to within two
1:09:16thousand dollars 36 versus 38
1:09:17000. so how is that given that there is
1:09:20you know far
1:09:21less racism against caucasians or
1:09:22whatever i mean it
1:09:24a lot of things have complex causes and
1:09:26it would strike me that the number one
1:09:28variable there would probably be being
1:09:29in you know a different country or
1:09:32territory speaking primarily spanish
1:09:35like that's that's going to be difficult
1:09:36to get around if you're trying to get a
1:09:37job
1:09:39and what about like asians we struggle
1:09:42to understand even what asians are
1:09:44a friend of mine was talking about how
1:09:45they never saw asians who looked like
1:09:47them
1:09:48in in popular music and i'm like do you
1:09:50mean people like paul anka or dick dale
1:09:53who are asian you know of asian descent
1:09:55because they're lebanese
1:09:56or do you he's like no they're not asian
1:09:58like okay so they're from an asian place
1:10:00but they're not asian a fair
1:10:02conversation
1:10:03but how do academics deal with that
1:10:04because i know that if you go to europe
1:10:07and you say they're from the orient
1:10:08that means something different than it
1:10:10does here you can't even say the damn
1:10:11word orient even though it means just
1:10:12means east and no one gets pissed off by
1:10:15saying
1:10:15occidental no one gets mad about that
1:10:17and then when you talk about asian
1:10:19if you're in sweden in school or if
1:10:21you're in another part another country
1:10:23you know these terms they don't they
1:10:25don't cross lines
1:10:26easily they mean different things
1:10:28different people so when are you an
1:10:29asian when are you not an asian
1:10:30a white guy from turkmenistan you know
1:10:33and a black guy who says he's white from
1:10:35turkey
1:10:35and and a guy from argentina are all
1:10:38white
1:10:39it's like ah my head's gonna explode how
1:10:41are we trying to categorize all these
1:10:43people as the same people it's just
1:10:45impossible
1:10:46well i think if you're doing something
1:10:47like iq research i mean the only useful
1:10:49way to do it is with the 23 and me
1:10:51uh categories i mean so like 80
1:10:55of east asians are probably what we
1:10:58would call
1:10:58han if not all of them i mean they're
1:11:00genetically chinese haplotypically
1:11:02chinese
1:11:03again i'm not a geneticist so there
1:11:05might be some tiny differences i mean
1:11:06thai
1:11:07people would probably have some like
1:11:09melee inflow blah blah blah but i mean
1:11:12when we talk about asians most people
1:11:13mean north koreans south koreans
1:11:15japanese chinese i mean so on
1:11:19you know the island populations down to
1:11:21the philippines
1:11:22thailand taiwan and almost all those
1:11:24people are hot so when you say like
1:11:26there's
1:11:27a you know a certain set of
1:11:29characteristics associated with han
1:11:31culture or like
1:11:32han people unless they eat a very high
1:11:33meat diet tend to be a little smaller
1:11:35than whites or blacks i mean i i think
1:11:36that's meaningful
1:11:38um like well someone from lebanon or
1:11:40turkmenistan would be a west asian
1:11:41caucasian so like we actually
1:11:43have a term for that they're not they're
1:11:45not asian
1:11:46the problem i think really comes up in
1:11:48that a lot of these census types who are
1:11:50just government mid-level bureaucrats
1:11:52and certainly a lot of the candies and
1:11:54deangelos who maybe have
1:11:56you know some some interests in keeping
1:11:58all of this complicated
1:12:00um aren't necessarily really breaking
1:12:03this
1:12:04down at a genomics level
1:12:07you know so obviously if the category
1:12:09asians includes people from lebanon and
1:12:11people from korea and i don't see any
1:12:12reason why it wouldn't on the senses
1:12:14yeah that's that's pretty stupid that
1:12:16doesn't mean though like so one thing
1:12:17about this when people say race doesn't
1:12:18exist
1:12:20probably the only thing i agree with the
1:12:21alt-right on um
1:12:23i mean morally i spent a fair amount of
1:12:24my career opposing these hard movements
1:12:26on
1:12:27black left white right but i mean is
1:12:29that there obviously are human races
1:12:31like the 23 and me people and similar
1:12:33genomics testing companies
1:12:36almost got irritated enough to put
1:12:38together their service to some extent
1:12:40by a lot of the popular press narrative
1:12:42about how
1:12:44we're all identical people and these are
1:12:46just invented blocks we put people in
1:12:49not really like it's completely fair to
1:12:50say east africans are different from
1:12:52west africans which they do
1:12:54but like there's a very coherent group
1:12:56of people that are black west africans
1:12:58like nigerians ghanaians and so on tend
1:13:00to be like being a little clipper but
1:13:02like
1:13:02tall smart black people with dark skin i
1:13:05mean i think it's
1:13:06there's a very obvious like it's very
1:13:08obvious that someone is from
1:13:09india or for let's say the subcontinent
1:13:11to most
1:13:12people that are observing that person
1:13:15communicate now obviously again i think
1:13:17the smarts and all this are cultural but
1:13:19the the skin tone
1:13:20isn't so yeah i mean the
1:13:23like in one sense if you put a hundred
1:13:25swedish guys a hundred guys from nigeria
1:13:28and a hundred guys from japan
1:13:29in a room naked and you asked an
1:13:31anthropology student to come in and
1:13:32separate them on the basis of race i
1:13:34could assume that almost anyone could do
1:13:36that making virtually no mistakes at all
1:13:40uh what about so we've been talking
1:13:43about your your
1:13:45building up a business to work on
1:13:47anti-corporate culture
1:13:49trying to sort these things out and i'm
1:13:51big on the cultural thing it's kind of
1:13:52how i stayed alive when i was overseas
1:13:54and one of the things i see with someone
1:13:56like kindy to be unfair to pick him to
1:13:58represent a lot of people but
1:14:00it's a lack of cq it's a lack of
1:14:02cultural acuity
1:14:03they they see one one problem set and
1:14:06pete the
1:14:07academic cultural guy would say if you
1:14:09see incompetence or racism
1:14:11or these negative values you have some
1:14:13incongruence in your cultural
1:14:15understanding of that person
1:14:17you know if you spend time to understand
1:14:18how that group makes decisions
1:14:20and what their goals are then you have a
1:14:22lot better chance to be
1:14:24choose to be in the collaborative space
1:14:26if you don't because humans can get
1:14:28along across a lot of things you can
1:14:30build trust in a lot of areas we're more
1:14:32alike than we're not alike
1:14:33yes uh west africans tend to run faster
1:14:36at the extremities
1:14:37you know and yeah maybe eastern africans
1:14:40run faster for longer
1:14:42at the super extremes but for the most
1:14:44part we're all about the same
1:14:45and culture defines so much of us is
1:14:48this
1:14:49simply just an incapacity of someone
1:14:51someone who
1:14:52looks at race is that an inability to to
1:14:55work culturally and and they lack
1:14:56the uh because we don't teach cultural
1:14:58acuity this the letters tq are confusing
1:15:01to people
1:15:01they don't know what it means and we
1:15:02struggle to even have a definition of
1:15:04culture
1:15:05yeah i think so i mean to some extent
1:15:07obviously we're not talking about racing
1:15:10now i'll be just dead honest about this
1:15:12i've already said i think there are
1:15:14essentially genetic races or haplotype
1:15:16groups if you prefer
1:15:17i don't think telling a han guy from a
1:15:19west african guy would be difficult for
1:15:21anybody and it's an entirely legitimate
1:15:24sector of research whether there are
1:15:26small but real for example iq or foot
1:15:28speed
1:15:29differences among groups i tend to be
1:15:31very skeptical about the iq stuff
1:15:33considering where it started and
1:15:35considering the fact the whole world's
1:15:36gotten 20 points smarter over the past
1:15:38you know 40 50 years i mean that to me
1:15:40debunks a lot of a lot of stuff
1:15:42but i mean the the research on
1:15:43athleticism i mean
1:15:45we do find that almost all the top 100
1:15:47swimmers in the world are white like at
1:15:49any given time
1:15:50and i mean you find that the large
1:15:51civilized white societies evolved
1:15:53literally around the mid-world sea the
1:15:54mediterranean sea like you would that is
1:15:56not a surprising finding
1:15:58um whites also by the way seem to have i
1:16:01don't know if this is
1:16:02supported in the genetics litter of its
1:16:04literature but seem to hold almost
1:16:06all of the records for kind of spear
1:16:08trucking
1:16:09like upper body strength and tossing
1:16:11ability if you look at who the pitchers
1:16:12are
1:16:13the quarterbacks are the javelin
1:16:14throwers are so that's interesting
1:16:16and i mean again that's kind of what you
1:16:18would expect if one group ran a little
1:16:20slower than another i mean they'd have
1:16:21to get meat somehow
1:16:23but uh moving from the theoretical to
1:16:25the real i mean
1:16:27you know of the top 100 sprinting times
1:16:29in the world i think 98
1:16:30are held by black guys couple white
1:16:32britishers on there
1:16:34and they're all black men of west
1:16:35african descent i mean islanders
1:16:37um jamaicans nigerians americans
1:16:41canadians
1:16:42um again the marathon times the top
1:16:45100 i mean a majority not all but east
1:16:48african
1:16:49you got a few prefontaines in there but
1:16:50i mean it's mostly guys from ethiopia
1:16:53kenya somalia the punt lands so
1:16:56again i think race obviously exists
1:16:59there are some some small differences
1:17:00but
1:17:01the the massive overriding impact of
1:17:03culture is
1:17:05clearly more important i mean going back
1:17:07to that figure about the mestizo guy the
1:17:09white guy
1:17:09and the black guy having the same income
1:17:11and speaking the same language like that
1:17:13level of educational training and that
1:17:14linguistic background
1:17:16is going to impact you a lot more than
1:17:18any
1:17:19miniscule racial differences between
1:17:21them like they're all hispanic quote
1:17:22unquote they all make equal amounts of
1:17:24money so clearly we're talking about
1:17:25culture
1:17:26we're not talking about race in the real
1:17:28haplotypic sense um
1:17:31the idea of are we culturally poorly
1:17:34trained i think i just went on the like
1:17:35longer section for the first part than i
1:17:37expected just to keep this quick
1:17:38but i do think that a lot of modern
1:17:40social scientists especially on the left
1:17:42tend to be pretty univariate meaning
1:17:44they look at only one thing
1:17:46so the almost a total explanation in
1:17:48modern sociology for black problems
1:17:51is racism and when they move to poor
1:17:54white problems they say classism
1:17:56okay the obvious question there is why
1:17:58are there 400
1:17:59differences in income between different
1:18:01white and black groups like all the
1:18:03different white groups
1:18:04are white and they all have the full
1:18:06range of social classes within them
1:18:08but if you go from jews to appalachians
1:18:11you're reducing average income by 75 or
1:18:1478
1:18:14so why why do these white groups who
1:18:17often look almost
1:18:18indistinguishable say an englishman from
1:18:19an appalachian guy
1:18:21differ so dramatically in terms of every
1:18:24variable you could imagine
1:18:25and the reality is what we call
1:18:27culturalism
1:18:28like what's the attitude in each
1:18:30regional group toward education
1:18:32what's the amount of study time in each
1:18:34regional group what's the degree of
1:18:35isolation for a hard-working but poor
1:18:37group like cajuns
1:18:38what's the degree of religion like are
1:18:40they educating women
1:18:41to the same extent in the south as in
1:18:43the north and i mean when you adjust for
1:18:45those things
1:18:46among people that are the same
1:18:48genetically the gaps close
1:18:50i'm not really sure how we got into this
1:18:51like race and jeans thing but i mean i'm
1:18:53you know
1:18:54you've done some writing in it i'm
1:18:55definitely willing to talk about it
1:18:57well it is interesting i mean the more
1:19:00we learn about genes and we're still
1:19:01we're just on the tip of the iceberg
1:19:03with this thing there's so much more to
1:19:04learn
1:19:05we do learn things that like gender
1:19:07probably like
1:19:08almost everything else is on a spectrum
1:19:10sexual orientation probably is on a
1:19:12spectrum and maybe not even a spectrum
1:19:14maybe a a matrix
1:19:16of some kind three-dimensional you can
1:19:18find yourself in a lot of areas
1:19:19we started out with a binary thing and
1:19:21primarily everybody's binary okay great
1:19:23but
1:19:24we're learning more about all these
1:19:25things and then what it takes to i mean
1:19:27if we can
1:19:28if we can create you know gene splicing
1:19:31to create outcomes
1:19:33then obviously people come with that
1:19:35naturally whether they have a longer
1:19:37slightly longer spine
1:19:38or whatever adaptation they've come to i
1:19:40mean
1:19:41sherpas can go up and down mountains all
1:19:43day long you know i mean that's what
1:19:44they do they've adapted themselves to it
1:19:47and someone else trained to do it sure
1:19:48but i think person for person you're
1:19:50probably going to struggle to beat
1:19:52that population because they have
1:19:54adapted and i
1:19:55mean we can see that across a lot of
1:19:58different things so
1:19:59i'm comfortable talking about genes
1:20:03and how much more of an impact they have
1:20:05on performance
1:20:06at least again at the extremities not
1:20:08not the um
1:20:09not you know not you know in the middle
1:20:11where we all kind of gather anyhow
1:20:13enough about all that stuff what else do
1:20:14you want to talk about before we wrap it
1:20:16up i don't i don't really have any
1:20:19any other topics really close to mine
1:20:22obviously the shelving trials coming on
1:20:24coming up we are coming to a close we've
1:20:26already talked about police reform
1:20:28what about you is there is there one
1:20:29more idea from your side
1:20:31well i i've been reading hate crime hoax
1:20:33again and
1:20:36you're more and more accurate with what
1:20:39you wrote it's
1:20:39going more and more crazy and again if
1:20:42we're not going to hold people
1:20:43accountable
1:20:44you know whether they're uh you know
1:20:46we'll just call them rioters
1:20:47at all you know we're not gonna hold
1:20:49those folks accountable if we're not
1:20:51gonna hold
1:20:52hate crime hoaxers accountable um
1:20:55what how do we get better at this stuff
1:20:57i mean i used to say
1:20:58a couple of years ago i was adorable i
1:21:00used to say no d.a runs on i'm soft on
1:21:03crime
1:21:03apparently that's a thing now and that's
1:21:06going to cause
1:21:07a reaction and i would like it reaction
1:21:09to stick within our rule of law
1:21:11structure and our ability to vote
1:21:13but we uh we don't appear to want to go
1:21:15that way and by the way that's just the
1:21:17soapbox thing
1:21:18people always talk about wanting to vote
1:21:19and they want to increase access to
1:21:21voting which i'm i'm all for but also
1:21:23the integrity of the election
1:21:24when you get your jury summons you don't
1:21:27get to complain about that that is a
1:21:29right
1:21:29you get to do that you want to have the
1:21:31same thing happen for you if you go to
1:21:33court
1:21:33you know we've got to get better in
1:21:35general voting is like the least you can
1:21:37do
1:21:37you know to be a great citizen so how do
1:21:40we make better citizens how do we
1:21:42appreciate the incredible opportunities
1:21:45we have i mean
1:21:46immigrants can come here the guest today
1:21:48that i put up on the show today is a guy
1:21:49named serge and he's from ukraine and
1:21:51he's bounced around the world and he got
1:21:53here
1:21:54he helped people break out on social
1:21:56media with you know through content
1:21:58creation
1:21:58this is like an ultimate immigrant story
1:22:00and we have all these things yet we have
1:22:02this belief that somehow we're
1:22:04anti-immigration and we're just not so i
1:22:07guess it's just sort of like a mess of
1:22:08all of these things but these
1:22:09perceptions continue to get
1:22:11worse not better and we seem to not want
1:22:14to hold ourselves accountable as a as a
1:22:16society
1:22:16at least at a level that i understand
1:22:21i mean that's a that's a complex uh
1:22:24conversation that i mean so uh i guess a
1:22:26couple things there
1:22:28so they're really two parts what's going
1:22:30on with this current moment around crime
1:22:32and how can we make
1:22:34better citizens the current moment
1:22:36around crime i don't see it lasting as
1:22:38long as so first of all i think
1:22:40that a terrible mistake is being made
1:22:42one of the things that we
1:22:43know one of the most robust findings in
1:22:46political science and criminal justice
1:22:49is that when you give in to kind of mob
1:22:51will and you pull
1:22:52back solid integrated police departments
1:22:55we're not talking about bull connor's
1:22:56troops here
1:22:57crime goes up and that's just sort of
1:22:59obvious common sense like criminals
1:23:01aren't actually by and large all that
1:23:02stupid if you're talking about fields
1:23:04like large-scale drug dealing
1:23:05murder for hire shooters in the gang
1:23:07scene and they respond to incentives
1:23:09prostitutes
1:23:10so if you arrest everyone that even
1:23:13breaks a window or sells sex
1:23:15in public you're going to get a lot less
1:23:17crime and if you stop arresting people
1:23:19that do things
1:23:20like carjack which we're now having an
1:23:21epidemic of in chicago a lot of people
1:23:23released on high bonds
1:23:24you're going to get more crime i it's
1:23:26amazing to me this is even controversial
1:23:28so i actually looked up the national
1:23:32crime figures um
1:23:35earlier today let's let's pull these up
1:23:38i can do this for in about 20 seconds
1:23:42okay that i'll tell everybody to go to
1:23:44the paypal link it supports break it
1:23:46down show it's right there on the page
1:23:48you can also get will riley's book hate
1:23:50crime hoax i'm reading it again now it's
1:23:52on audible
1:23:53take that link that's in the show notes
1:23:55there and grab that and also don't
1:23:57forget to get 10 facts you can't talk
1:23:58about taboo 10 facts you can't talk
1:24:00about also from o'reilly he is fantastic
1:24:03boom thank you pete so in terms of what
1:24:05i was talking about here
1:24:06if you look for the graphic united
1:24:08states crime rates 1960 to 2019 which is
1:24:12up at disastercenter.com very serious
1:24:14disaster response
1:24:16site the total number of murders between
1:24:191963 which is when we really started
1:24:21relaxing
1:24:23um anti-crime protocols during the 1960s
1:24:26we're talking about miranda escobado
1:24:29fruit of the poison tree maximum
1:24:31sentences so on down the line
1:24:32the number of murders between 1963 and
1:24:351993 jumped from 8640 in 1963
1:24:41to 24 530
1:24:44in 1993. i mean an even more disgusting
1:24:47crime the number of rapes
1:24:49um and this is this is during the 60s
1:24:51sexual revolution at the starting point
1:24:52there's probably pretty high reporting
1:24:54through all of this
1:24:55but the number of rapes jumped from 17
1:24:57650
1:24:59to 106 0010
1:25:04wow uh robberies let's see here
1:25:08jump from 116 000
1:25:12to
1:25:15one million one hundred thirty five
1:25:18thousand six hundred no that's
1:25:19aggravated assaults robberies alone
1:25:21out of that category jump to six hundred
1:25:22fifty nine thousand eight hundred
1:25:24seventy there's also a massive increase
1:25:25in ag assault
1:25:26so anyway i mean i think that's what
1:25:28happens when you take
1:25:29by this point good professional police
1:25:31departments a lot of ex service members
1:25:33very few actual racists
1:25:3525 30 black and you pull them out of
1:25:37poor neighborhoods this includes poor
1:25:39white neighborhoods you see a surge in
1:25:40crime
1:25:41so i mean there was a study recently
1:25:43that was presented as
1:25:45police shootings drop following black
1:25:48lives matter protests in a group of
1:25:50major cities
1:25:51and they did find that they found that
1:25:54police homicides justified or not by the
1:25:56way
1:25:57dropped by about 300 across this set of
1:25:59cities over a couple of years if the
1:26:01city had a black lives matter protest
1:26:03there was another line that although the
1:26:04authors are good and honorable was kind
1:26:06of buried deep in the paper
1:26:07and that was that murders just regular
1:26:09ass murders rose by
1:26:116 000 in the same cities and that's
1:26:14almost exactly the murder surge we saw
1:26:15last year
1:26:16which was by about 5 000 murders so i
1:26:19mean i think when you get these da's
1:26:20coming in there and saying we're going
1:26:21to do the next generation of criminal
1:26:23justice reform because we already have
1:26:24miranda rights we already have the
1:26:26excavator extension
1:26:27we already have fruit of the poison tree
1:26:28we already have the sentencing grid
1:26:30the next lineup of things is going to be
1:26:31releasing people without bail
1:26:33releasing people on eye bonds i mean
1:26:36it's going to be non-prosecution for
1:26:37certain crimes
1:26:38what you're going to see is just crime
1:26:39going back to if this is allowed to
1:26:41continue 1970s levels
1:26:43the only thing that kind of gives me
1:26:44hope here other than all my guns
1:26:46and the banter aside but is that i don't
1:26:49think people are going to put up with
1:26:50this
1:26:51as long i mean you now have the the
1:26:54great heterodox news sources like
1:26:55colette just
1:26:56live on the internet i mean you now have
1:27:00pictures of you know each crime that are
1:27:04circulating through i mean the
1:27:06sites on the right like conservative
1:27:07tree house the black stuff
1:27:09mto i mean people are gonna be aware of
1:27:11what's going on and you're gonna have a
1:27:12lot of guys
1:27:13white black whatever just saying i'm not
1:27:14really all that sympathetic to these
1:27:16felons that are shot by cops you know in
1:27:18these private internet discussions
1:27:19so i don't think we're going to do
1:27:20another 30 years of lawlessness but we
1:27:22might do
1:27:2210. you know how many black guys or
1:27:25working-class white guys would be killed
1:27:27during that 10 years because of these
1:27:29ideas
1:27:30now the deeper question how can we be
1:27:32better citizens
1:27:34that's hard to answer i think one start
1:27:36would be just
1:27:37learning to look at the truth um
1:27:41you know questioning the media seeking
1:27:43out real information in the library and
1:27:45so on down the line i
1:27:46i can't imagine that having a bad result
1:27:49but
1:27:50that which i always encourage people to
1:27:51do when i talk is one of the best ways
1:27:53to counter some of the nonsense that
1:27:54we've been describing
1:27:56how do you know there aren't ten
1:27:57thousand people a year killed by the
1:27:58police because you read
1:28:00yeah yeah and you know how to do
1:28:02research methods and you learn what bs
1:28:04looks like
1:28:05well listen it's friday i don't want to
1:28:06work any harder than this you've been
1:28:08awesome i always love having you on and
1:28:09having these uh
1:28:11rangy conversations i hope everybody
1:28:13else can appreciate
1:28:14that for sure go support will get look
1:28:17if you get hate crime hoax you're going
1:28:18to love that book it's on audible
1:28:20that's how i listen to it when i'm
1:28:21rowing you can get that there
1:28:23and then again taboo which there's so
1:28:26many things
1:28:26in these books that you just want to
1:28:28like i want to know more about this i
1:28:29want to know more about that
1:28:30it's really great i'm glad that you got
1:28:32the new book about to come out and the
1:28:33one following that
1:28:34everybody support will and uh he's not
1:28:36hard to find on social medias if you
1:28:38want to yell at him and tell him he's
1:28:39wrong you can always go on twitter
1:28:41facebook and all those places all right
1:28:44stand by one sec will
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