Why Views on Gay Marriage Have Shifted So Quickly with Douglas Murray — Transcript

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1. 0:06well douglas murray
2. 0:08he's a renaissance man quite frankly
3. 0:10he's a best-selling author
4. 0:13he's an award-winning journalist he's
5. 0:16based in britain
6. 0:18he's the associate editor of the
7. 0:20spectator
8. 0:22and he is written regularly for
9. 0:24publications like the wall street
10. 0:25journal which i read cover to cover
11. 0:27every single day the times the national
12. 0:29review
13. 0:30his books include a really significant
14. 0:33book titled the strange death of europe
15. 0:37and i would say incidentally or maybe
16. 0:39not incidentally that this book was
17. 0:41almost 20 weeks
18. 0:42on the sunday times bestseller list and
19. 0:45was the
20. 0:46number one bestseller in non-fiction
21. 0:49that's an
22. 0:50incredible barrier to overcome to become
23. 0:53number one
24. 0:54in non-fiction and his latest book and
25. 0:57that's the book that i want to spend
26. 0:58most of my time on today
27. 1:00is titled the madness of crowd's gender
28. 1:03race identity and i want to start the
29. 1:07discussion with
30. 1:08douglas murray on that very subject
31. 1:11douglas
32. 1:12it is wonderful to have you on hank
33. 1:14unplugged
34. 1:16what is a great pleasure to be with you
35. 1:17thank you i want to start out with that
36. 1:20first
37. 1:20chapter in which you write about how
38. 1:24rapidly perspectives on marriage
39. 1:27are changing and one of the
40. 1:29illustrations
41. 1:31that you underscore in this chapter is
42. 1:34the idea of same-sex marriage
43. 1:37so you have hillary clinton
44. 1:40back at the time that her husband was
45. 1:43proffering the defense of marriage act
46. 1:45she was standing behind that lockstep
47. 1:49with her husband
48. 1:50then when she ran for office in 2016
49. 1:55she was standing diametrically opposed
50. 1:58to this and i suppose that underscores
51. 2:02how
52. 2:02rapidly our culture is transitioning
53. 2:06and how if you have happened to say
54. 2:09something
55. 2:09in the past even if that past is fairly
56. 2:13recent
57. 2:14you have a trip wire there that can blow
58. 2:16you up pretty quickly
59. 2:18yes that's right i give the example of
60. 2:20joy reid who
61. 2:21was found a couple years ago to have
62. 2:24done a tweet
63. 2:2510 years earlier in which she had
64. 2:27expressed
65. 2:28her reservations about gay marriage and
66. 2:31um
67. 2:31at the time she tweeted that that was
68. 2:33quite a comment it was quite common to
69. 2:34be
70. 2:34you know not in favor of gay marriage
71. 2:36and it was just very interesting that
72. 2:38within a decade this was enough to put
73. 2:40her career in serious peril
74. 2:42and what i'm interested in about this
75. 2:44really is
76. 2:45it's a very good signal of the speed at
77. 2:48which
78. 2:49we are shifting our views by the way i
79. 2:51happen to be in favor of
80. 2:53gay marriage in the civil context
81. 2:56and what i say is and what i think i
82. 2:58mentioned in that chapter is
83. 2:59there's a very interesting boot on the
84. 3:01other foot test here because
85. 3:04if it is the case and i give an example
86. 3:06of an event i attended a christian event
87. 3:08in london
88. 3:09which was basically hounded out of the
89. 3:11venues it was trying to
90. 3:12organize in if we end up in a situation
91. 3:15of saying
92. 3:17that people who are not in favor of gay
93. 3:19marriage which includes as i say
94. 3:22most people until very recently if
95. 3:25in this era it becomes impermissible to
96. 3:28hold a view that was held
97. 3:30very commonly until yesterday we are
98. 3:33doing something very dangerous
99. 3:34we are doing actually something
100. 3:36profoundly illiberal
101. 3:38and we are saying that the
102. 3:41amores of our time happen to have
103. 3:43changed
104. 3:44very radically on a set of things
105. 3:46whether for the good or for the worse is
106. 3:48in people's own views
107. 3:49but that as they change we will be
108. 3:51totally unforgiving
109. 3:53of anyone who doesn't come along
110. 3:55lockstep with it 100 of the way
111. 3:57that as i say is a profoundly liberal
112. 3:59thing it is not the
113. 4:01job for instance of rights campaigners
114. 4:04of any kind writers or anyone else
115. 4:06to tell congregations or leadership of
116. 4:09churches and other religious
117. 4:10institutions
118. 4:12to go along with views that those
119. 4:14institutions
120. 4:15do not and in many cases cannot hold
121. 4:19and i as i say i give the gay marriage
122. 4:21one because it's a fascinating window
123. 4:24into this
124. 4:25the unforgivingness of our time
125. 4:28the unwillingness to allow a variety
126. 4:31of genuinely various and dissenting
127. 4:34opinion
128. 4:35and the desire effectively just to jump
129. 4:37orthodoxies
130. 4:39where yesterday we had one today we'll
131. 4:41have a new one
132. 4:42and woe but hide you if you're not on
133. 4:44the right side today
134. 5:07you