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0:00There are quite a few things the west
0:02hates about eastern media and some of
0:04those are due to the prominence of
0:05generally taboo things like incest and
0:08ryiona but among these taboos one stands
0:11at the precipice of notoriety and
0:13controversy. Wallies lollies in their
0:17most simple pop culture definition is a
0:19Japanese style drawing of a person that
0:21has physical characteristics of a child.
0:24They may not actually need to be a
0:26child, just that they can include
0:27childlike appearances and traits like a
0:30squeaky voice, brattiness, or
0:32energeticness. The intention for this
0:34type of character is to be cute,
0:36aggressioninducing, bloodpumping,
0:38annoyingly cute. But of course, just
0:41like literally anything else in the
0:43world, something cute was bound to be
0:45sexualized. And because of the
0:47popularity of such, those who are
0:48unfamiliar with Eastern culture may find
0:51it off-putting. Over in the West, these
0:54concepts are demonized. See, if the
0:56average adult man asks you to explain
0:59what a lolly is, you'd probably get
1:01weird looks at best and get the cops
1:03called on you at worst. Even if lollies
1:05are not sexualized, because of the sheer
1:07amount of it, even in series where there
1:09isn't anything lewd, it's not difficult
1:11to see why people look at it that way.
1:13Now, the next few sentences will be
1:15oversimplified and are formed based on
1:17personal observation. So, take it with
1:20as much salt as you need. I don't really
1:22have any research paper to back it up,
1:23but I think the reason for this divide
1:25is because of how fiction is consumed
1:27and perceived by both cultures. I think
1:30the West generally looks at fiction as a
1:32reflection of reality. They wish for it
1:34to be as grounded as possible to be
1:36created with realism and real world
1:38rules and consequences in mind. Just as
1:41they think that violence in fiction
1:43encourages young people to be violent
1:44IRL, they think that attraction to
1:46fictional young people is attraction to
1:48the young regardless. that it undermines
1:51efforts against exploitation and loosely
1:53attempts to normalize or fetishize it.
1:55And because they think fiction is pinned
1:57to reality, attraction to fictional
1:59children is a pipeline leading to
2:01probable or actual pedophilia. And you
2:04know what? There have been actual
2:05lollyconicons that did try to assault or
2:07kidnap and do all sorts of things with
2:10actual children. Whereas in the east,
2:12fiction is a reflection of one's
2:14imagination, wild and untethered,
2:17created with as much flare, mythicality,
2:19and aura in mind. That fiction has
2:21minimal realworld consequences. A world
2:24where you can think or create of
2:26anything. What you like in fiction does
2:28not correlate to what you like in
2:30reality. Just like how some women
2:32fantasize or consume about fictional
2:34grape does not really want to be great,
2:36so too are lollycons not necessarily
2:39attracted to actual children. Though the
2:41inverse can be true, being a lollycon is
2:43not a big factor for pedophilia. I mean,
2:45you look at the people suspected to be
2:47in the Epstein list and try to point out
2:49which among those like lollies or even
2:50anime chief. And if you censor one genre
2:53of media that is loosely controversial,
2:55then why not censor all of them? But all
2:58of this only pertains to fiction and
3:00reality. What if you put this discussion
3:03into a marriage of both? Vtubing, a
3:06weird twilight zone of reality and
3:08fiction. a place where creators break
3:10dance on the thin blurry line and making
3:13that the core of their appeal and
3:15content. What is then the end result?
3:20Before I proceed with this whole thing,
3:21I feel like I need to say what my stance
3:23is on the matter. Just so you can know
3:24ahead of time that there is a bit of a
3:26bias in this video. I don't really care
3:28about lollies. Not really into the body
3:30type or the content. But I think they're
3:32welcome because they're just fiction. I
3:34separate my fiction and my reality. It's
3:37not something I choose to do. It's just
3:39hardwired into my brain. And I'm going
3:41to guess a lot of people are too. A lot
3:43of people don't really believe or cannot
3:45do that. And so the argument about this
3:47topic has been extensive. Some start
3:49arguing about the semantics and the
3:51specifics like how age does or doesn't
3:54matter into how lollies are defined or
3:56how you should include high schoolers in
3:58anime even if most animes are in a high
4:00school setting and even if they don't
4:02look like lollies or how lollies are
4:04acceptable as long as it's not
4:05sexualized or or how short petite women
4:08are losing representation because of its
4:10controversy or whatever have you. My
4:12personal definition of a lolly is that
4:14if the person looks young and acts
4:15childlike in the many ways a child acts,
4:18it's a lolly, flat chest or not. Yes, I
4:21consider Haru Uara as a lolly and that's
4:24why she's my daughter. This debate goes
4:26beyond fandoms, reaching in the social
4:29media landscape, the academic field, and
4:31even among corporations and governments.
4:33There is a popular story going around
4:35cyberpunk edge. You see, CD Project Red
4:38was heavily against the idea of Rebecca
4:40being in the cyberpunk world. A loyal
4:43does not belong, they said for some
4:45reason. Their Japanese animation
4:47partner, Studio Trigger, wasn't having
4:49any of it and refused to change
4:51Rebecca's design or place in it. The
4:53lolly must stay, they said. And yet,
4:55Rebecca became one of the most memorable
4:58characters in the show. And people argue
5:00whether or not she even constitutes as a
5:02lolly. To many people, her brash and
5:05violent attitude doesn't really make her
5:07a lolly, but as a petite woman. Others
5:09insist that she is a lolly, not just
5:12because of Studio Triggers insistence,
5:14but because of her design comparatively
5:16to all other females in the show, as
5:18well as her attitude is just what
5:20happens when a regular lolly is thrown
5:22into a violent world. Another situation,
5:24Comic, the world's biggest fan
5:27convention, a gathering to celebrate
5:29fiction born and led by Japan. Well, it
5:32was under fire from the UN recently for
5:34allowing lollies to be displayed and for
5:36being an actual genre, saying that it's
5:38generally harmful material. And in
5:41response to this, actual Japanese
5:43officials told them to go [ __ ]
5:45themselves, that this is legal, as it
5:47does not involve real people and that it
5:49is under the realms of creative and
5:51artistic expression. Though legal or
5:52not, many platforms seek to still censor
5:55such media. If you're a gooner, you
5:57might have noticed that a lot of uh
5:59western hentai streaming platforms like
6:01hentai ocean, h anime or hentai haven
6:04once had the lolli and sha genre, but
6:07have since then been removed. And it's
6:09not exclusive to streaming sites.
6:11Reddit, Patreon, Twitch, and a lot of
6:13other social medias and websites are
6:15having none of it. Heck, this video is
6:17risky enough as it is because YouTube
6:18might [ __ ] me over. And this is so
6:20because the west is actively taking
6:23steps to make the existence of lollies
6:26at least restricted but at worst no
6:29longer legal. So again what does this
6:31mean for vtubers? Which side of the
6:33debate holds more weight? Bars. The west
6:36discovered the culture and concept of
6:37vtubers very much later than Japan. Yes,
6:40motion tracking hardware and software
6:42and even animated models was a thing for
6:44a long time here, but it wasn't vtubing
6:46as we know it right now. Beaching first
6:48came to the west in a spectacularly
6:50massive boom with the introduction of
6:52hol life which served to introduce fans
6:54to the medium and the culture and many
6:56women took a liking to that concept.
6:58Some women find representation in
7:00lollies and translate that into vtubing
7:02because yes a lot of women are short and
7:04petite. In fact, so many Asian women
7:07look so young that people can often
7:09mistake them as a child which further
7:11adds as to why the east is more okay
7:13with it. A lot of other YouTubers also
7:15find their identity as a lolli because
7:17maybe that's just how they are
7:18personality and appearance-wise. And
7:20that would be the case of literally the
7:22most popular VTuber in the world and the
7:25face of the industry. Garura, a very
7:28clear textbook lolly who was more than
7:30open in the sexualization of herself.
7:33She would make cheeky references. Her
7:35animated short featured her naked 80% of
7:38the time and she had this popular taunt
7:40against anti- lollycons. What? Are you
7:43scared of a little four-letter word?
7:45>> The popularity of Gura herself is a
7:47statement, and we'll get back to what
7:48this statement is later. And of course,
7:50the West's defiance to this movement
7:52would soon come. And at first, it came
7:54in the form of Britain Eventi, who was
7:56entirely against what Gora stood for.
7:58She threw a video basically disavowing
8:00and calling out this sort of thing
8:02plaguing the internet. And um well,
8:04VTuber fans didn't like that and
8:06proceeded to return her sentiments
8:07against her tenfold. That's not all.
8:10Resistance to this movement also came in
8:12the form of another fellow VTuber
8:14Nanners. For a while, she was 4chan's
8:17biggest darling due to her content. She
8:19would make lolly related content post um
8:23irrelevant for their time edgy humor,
8:25but then she flipped the switch on all
8:26that she previously was. After an
8:29enlightenment rainbow shower from
8:30Tumblr, she would disavow lollies and
8:32her previous fan base, saying they were
8:34all weirdos and saying how it was
8:36basically pedophilia. And this was seen
8:38as a massive hypocritical stance because
8:40she clearly had a lolly imagery, a lolly
8:43voice, and lolly themes. As Vuming
8:45expanded, more casual normie fans of
8:48anime took a liking to Vubing, found all
8:50this lolly [ __ ] and didn't like it. It's
8:53not just fans, but it was also aspiring
8:55VTubers. Camila, a now popular VTuber,
8:58once shared the same sentiment in
9:00Yanners. In fact, she didn't just
9:02disavow lollycons. She actively attacked
9:04Shondo, a lolly YouTuber once upon a
9:07time because she thought, well, starting
9:09drama was the best way to grow.
9:10Chibidoki would call out lollycons and
9:12lolly enjoyers, equating them again to
9:15weirdos and saying how they were all
9:16yucky. And they would dodge the
9:18allegations by saying that the model
9:20that they have is chibi, not lolly,
9:23which in my opinion, a big fat cope. But
9:26regardless, they would walk back on this
9:27stance years later due to public
9:29backlash because they made this whole
9:31grand stand about how lolly equals bad,
9:34but then they benefited from being
9:35borderline or actual lollies or wanted
9:37to partake in lolly adjacent activities.
9:40Or even maybe they just realized lolly
9:42culture wasn't all that bad. And it's
9:44hard not to see why. Chibioki looks
9:46straight up like a lolly and her
9:48figurine that was going to be released
9:49made it even more obvious. Whereas
9:51Camila celebrated a milestone with a
9:53lolly kami reququium post. A song that
9:56parodies how disgusting lollies are, but
9:58is obviously a song for lollies. In
10:01fact, while we're at it, let's talk
10:03about lolly kami reququum.
10:05Would you believe me if I told you that
10:07the most famous song in the entirety of
10:09V tubing was a song about lollycons?
10:12Well, at least before BB came out, but
10:14that's different. You would probably
10:15already believe me because it might have
10:17been stuck in your head at one point.
10:19Lolami Recquum was a song made by
10:21Shigori Ui, a popular artist YouTuber
10:23that is also a friend of Holivisange.
10:26The song gained massive popularity in
10:28late 2023, not only because it was
10:30catchy, it had this cool, smooth, and
10:33repeatable dance animation that High Key
10:35was designed to be hypnotic and trendy.
10:37The lyrics describe of how lollycons are
10:40disgusting and kind of makes fun of
10:41them. It's an ironic song about how this
10:43lolly goddess is going to save these
10:45disgusting lollycons while taunting,
10:47being a brat, and overall doing stuff
10:49that invites the crying emojis. There
10:51was a debate about what this song stands
10:53for. Anti-loconiccons were talking about
10:55how obviously this was some sort of
10:57clever backhanded slap towards lollycons
11:00and how Shiguri definitely hates
11:01lollycons and how this was definitely
11:03anti- lollycon. But I'm just going to
11:05tell you right now, these people are
11:07straight up wrong. In fact, they're
11:09tourists and the bad kind. one speck of
11:12familiarity with Shigui's content or
11:14Japanese culture of reading behind the
11:16lines and knowledge of popular Japanese
11:19tropes and you'd instantly realize that
11:21this song is actually catering towards
11:23lolly enjoyers. The song, the lyrics,
11:26it's all filled with tropes that partake
11:28in that genre. Humiliation, the
11:30messugaki behavior, the grape whistle
11:32blackmail. This has layers of irony in
11:34it that people unfamiliar with the genre
11:36or culture will misunderstand if taken
11:39at face value. This is the lolly
11:41equivalent of the hacker known as 4chan.
11:43And the best part was that this was just
11:45supposed to be an inside joke between
11:47her and her community. There was zero
11:49marketing in this song. Hello Live songs
11:51get all the fuss and huge marketing with
11:53TVs and radios and [ __ ] like that. But
11:55this song, the growth was as organic as
11:57it can be and that should mean something
11:59because there are a growing number of
12:00people who refuse to acknowledge that.
12:02You see, the more I observe this
12:04industry, the more I see that the more
12:06politically active members are the most
12:08vocal about logging content, and it
12:10makes a lot of sense. You know, the
12:12types of people who immigrated from
12:14Tumblr. They're the ones loudest against
12:16the movement, particularly Nijisien's
12:19fan base. See, Nijien's audience are
12:22primarily women, Twitter women. It's why
12:24they have more pull on Twitter than they
12:26do on their streams, even during their
12:28peak in 2022. the very political
12:30performative activist type of women.
12:32That's just the audience you get when
12:34members endorse and broadcast political
12:36stances, even the extreme kinds. It
12:38isolates existing audience members who
12:41may not share that kind of passion or
12:42vitriol or even the same opinion. And it
12:45also isolates company members. While the
12:48argument of filtering the audience can
12:50often be valid, the argument doesn't
12:51apply when that audience is extreme and
12:54cares more about what you say rather
12:55than what you make. very bad for your
12:58numbers and sustainability. It affects
12:59everyone in your company even. And this
13:01leaning towards active political
13:03statements would eventually bite a
13:05certain Nijn member who doesn't belong.
13:07Twisty Amanazoko, a now infamous VTuber
13:10who is loud and proud a lollycon and
13:13lolly herself. She would actively make
13:15fun of anti- lollycons and declare
13:17herself not apologetic for making
13:20incestuous lolly roleplay. very based, I
13:23would say, a true VTuber who would use
13:25the potential of the medium to its
13:26fullest extent. And how does the Nijis
13:28Sanji EN audience react?
13:32What do you think? There's an entire
13:33saga about her, but I just wanted to
13:35quickly run down through the lolly stuff
13:36and exclude the other drama that was
13:39involved with her cuz they're not really
13:40relevant right now. In the same realm,
13:42loosely at least, Beatrice is a VTuber
13:45under Merryweather's Astral line. And as
13:47you can see, she's a lolly. She was
13:49supposed to have an 18 plus tag on her
13:52account and explicit permission and
13:53willingness to be subjected to the
13:55internet's degenerate whims. And this
13:57was met with a lot of backlash for
13:59obvious reasons. But Astroline just cut
14:02that [ __ ] out altogether. And yes, there
14:05were more campaigns of tourists who
14:07would try to declare that lollies and
14:08lollycons have no place here in the
14:10VTuber industry. For some reason, some
14:13people really believe that. But it's not
14:14just these VTubers who were affected by
14:16the anti- lolly campaign. There are many
14:18such cases that I can't name right now
14:20affecting different people both indie
14:23corpo big and small. But the one last
14:27person that I wanted to talk about is
14:29Garura. Now Samo Saba. Samo Saba debuted
14:33with the biggest numbers in
14:34individually. She never lost her
14:36comeodies and what do you know? She's
14:38even more lollier than she ever was as
14:40Gura. Full-blown fan service. Tummy out
14:43the scale. Full bouncy Kane crew. And
14:47what do you know? People are mad because
14:49how dare this lolly vtuber from Holive
14:52become a lolly VTuber as an indie. For
14:54some reason, people really thought Gura
14:57was not a lolly or was not pro lolly.
15:00They somehow got this impression that
15:01Gura wanted to or should have had an
15:03adult model and now she was just lolly
15:06baiting. Heck, some Gura fans were
15:08genuinely surprised at this for some
15:10reason when in reality people that were
15:12paying attention and actually watched
15:14her this whole time knew that she was a
15:16lolly all along. This whole time
15:18throughout her entire internet career
15:20even. And yeah, obviously a lot of the
15:22people making these accusations are
15:24tourists. And this confusion, the
15:26genuine bewilderment, it just kind of
15:29shows about how wrong they are and how
15:31they never truly understood this
15:34industry to begin with. How they never
15:36realized that lolly kami reququium was a
15:38song about lollies. How they never
15:39realized that a lot of big people in
15:42this industry could technically count as
15:43a lolly. How Gura and many other people
15:46big small corpo indie are and wanted to
15:49be lollies.
15:51And so we end the recollection of major
15:53incidents that happened in the
15:55community. Looping back to the question,
15:57how does the debate around lollies
15:59affect vtubing? Well, it says that
16:01lollies are here to stay for the
16:03foreseeable future. come what backlash
16:05may. As Japanese culture continues to
16:07permeate throughout the world in the
16:09form of anime, so does its forms and
16:11even some of its cultures and behaviors.
16:14Yes, the world and the west will meet it
16:16with more fierce resistance, especially
16:18from a growing younger, more westernized
16:21generation, especially people who only
16:23watch pop anime but aren't really into
16:26the deeper stuff. But so will people
16:28realize that it's not as bad as it's
16:30demonized to be. I look back again at
16:32Camila and Chibidoki's tweets, basically
16:34admitting that their opinions were
16:36reactive and came from a lack of
16:37understanding. They were tourists at one
16:40point, not fully understanding VTubers
16:42or anime or the culture they inhabit.
16:44And upon growing and realizing that,
16:46they turned to apologize. This is
16:49fascinating because I imagine this is
16:50how a lot of people who join the VTuber
16:52industry and consume its culture will
16:54become, how a lot of women in this
16:56industry will probably go through the
16:58same thing. And heck, perhaps other
17:00tourists, too, the longer they stay.
17:03Maybe some will find a middle ground and
17:05accept lollies as long as it's not
17:06sexualized. Maybe some will be okay with
17:09the sexualization. Maybe lollies, with
17:11the West's aggressive push to turn that
17:13off, will be completely censored in the
17:14future. But I believe this will stand
17:16by. Vtubers borrow the culture, the
17:19community, and the connotations of
17:20anime. And for as long as anime will
17:22have lollies as a major part of its
17:25identity, so too will be the case in
17:27Vtubing. I invite people who watch this
17:29video and or may or may even resent
17:31lollies to be a bit more open-minded.
17:34Like I said, this is never going to go
17:35away anytime soon. So maybe try to
17:37coexist with it because in doing so, you
17:40really only isolate yourself from a
17:41major part of the industry. In doing so,
17:44you are more likely to have fun and
17:46engage in vtubing in all the ways it can
17:49be consumed and all the shenanigans and
17:51all the communities that it can offer.

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