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1. 0:05>>> TONIGHT DEMOCRATS ARE
2. 0:06>>> TONIGHT DEMOCRATS ARE SHOWING EXACTLY WHAT SUBPOENA
3. 0:08SHOWING EXACTLY WHAT SUBPOENA POWER LOOKS LIKE, A VOTE TO
4. 0:09POWER LOOKS LIKE, A VOTE TO FORCE ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR TO
5. 0:10FORCE ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR TO HAND OVER THE ENTIRE MUELLER
6. 0:13HAND OVER THE ENTIRE MUELLER REPORT AND SUPPORTING EVIDENCE
7. 0:14REPORT AND SUPPORTING EVIDENCE MUELLER GATHERED.
8. 0:15MUELLER GATHERED. CHAIRMAN NADLER SAYING THIS IS
9. 0:16CHAIRMAN NADLER SAYING THIS IS ABOUT CONGRESS’S INDEPENDENT
10. 0:17ABOUT CONGRESS’S INDEPENDENT POWER TO SEE ALL THAT EVIDENCE.
11. 0:20POWER TO SEE ALL THAT EVIDENCE. >> THE COMMITTEE MUST SEE
12. 0:22>> THE COMMITTEE MUST SEE EVERYTHING, AS WAS DONE IN EVERY
13. 0:24EVERYTHING, AS WAS DONE IN EVERY PRIOR INSTANCE.
14. 0:25PRIOR INSTANCE. THE COMMITTEE IS ENTITLED AND
15. 0:26THE COMMITTEE IS ENTITLED AND MUST SEE ALL THE MATERIAL AND
16. 0:28MUST SEE ALL THE MATERIAL AND MAKE JUDGMENTS AS TO WHAT CAN BE
17. 0:30MAKE JUDGMENTS AS TO WHAT CAN BE REDACTED FOR THE PUBLIC RELEASE.
18. 0:32REDACTED FOR THE PUBLIC RELEASE. WE ARE NOT WILLING TO LET THE
19. 0:35WE ARE NOT WILLING TO LET THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WHO, AFTER ALL,
20. 0:37ATTORNEY GENERAL WHO, AFTER ALL, IS A POLITICAL APPOINTEE OF THE
21. 0:39IS A POLITICAL APPOINTEE OF THE PRESIDENT, SUBSTITUTE HIS
22. 0:40PRESIDENT, SUBSTITUTE HIS JUDGMENT FOR OURS.
23. 0:41JUDGMENT FOR OURS. >> NOTICE WHAT THE CHAIRMAN IS
24. 0:42>> NOTICE WHAT THE CHAIRMAN IS ARGUING THERE.
25. 0:43ARGUING THERE. THIS IS NOT ONLY ABOUT WHAT’S IN
26. 0:45THIS IS NOT ONLY ABOUT WHAT’S IN THE REPORT, BUT WHO EVALUATES
27. 0:48THE REPORT, BUT WHO EVALUATES WHAT’S IN THE REPORT.
28. 0:48WHAT’S IN THE REPORT. HE’S ARGUING THE CONSTITUTION
29. 0:50HE’S ARGUING THE CONSTITUTION AND RECENT HISTORY SHOW IT
30. 0:51AND RECENT HISTORY SHOW IT SHOULD BE CONGRESS.
31. 0:52SHOULD BE CONGRESS. THE WHITE HOUSE ARGUING THAT THE
32. 0:53THE WHITE HOUSE ARGUING THAT THE VERY RULES THAT WERE WRITTEN
33. 0:55VERY RULES THAT WERE WRITTEN UNDER A DEMOCRATIC JUSTICE
34. 0:57UNDER A DEMOCRATIC JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, GIVE THE EXECUTIVE
35. 0:59DEPARTMENT, GIVE THE EXECUTIVE KEY POWERS HERE.
36. 1:00KEY POWERS HERE. SO TONIGHT RIGHT NOW, OUR
37. 1:01SO TONIGHT RIGHT NOW, OUR SPECIAL REPORT DIGS INTO THIS
38. 1:03SPECIAL REPORT DIGS INTO THIS HISTORY THAT WE HAVE BEEN
39. 1:04HISTORY THAT WE HAVE BEEN HEARING SO MUCH ABOUT.
40. 1:05HEARING SO MUCH ABOUT. AND WE THINK IT’S PRETTY
41. 1:07AND WE THINK IT’S PRETTY INTERESTING.
42. 1:07INTERESTING. ALL THE WAY BACK WHEN CHAIRMAN
43. 1:09ALL THE WAY BACK WHEN CHAIRMAN NADLER WAS CONGRESSMAN NADLER,
44. 1:12NADLER WAS CONGRESSMAN NADLER, IT WAS CERTAINLY THE UNITED
45. 1:14IT WAS CERTAINLY THE UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE
46. 1:16STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE IN THE DRIVERS SEAT.
47. 1:17IN THE DRIVERS SEAT. IN FACT, IT WAS THEN CONGRESSMAN
48. 1:20IN FACT, IT WAS THEN CONGRESSMAN NADLER SPEAKING ABOUT RECEIVING
49. 1:21NADLER SPEAKING ABOUT RECEIVING KEN STARR’S INDEPENDENT COUNSEL
50. 1:23KEN STARR’S INDEPENDENT COUNSEL REPORT IN FULL.
51. 1:24REPORT IN FULL. THIS WAS BACK IN SEPTEMBER 1998.
52. 1:27THIS WAS BACK IN SEPTEMBER 1998. >> WE DID GET THE REPORT, WHICH
53. 1:29>> WE DID GET THE REPORT, WHICH IS NOW IN THE HANDS OF THE
54. 1:31IS NOW IN THE HANDS OF THE SERGEANT AT ARMS, A CHAIRMAN AND
55. 1:32SERGEANT AT ARMS, A CHAIRMAN AND RANKING MINORITY MEMBER OF THE
56. 1:34RANKING MINORITY MEMBER OF THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE IS GOING TO
57. 1:35JUDICIARY COMMITTEE IS GOING TO HAVE TO GO OVER THIS MATERIAL.
58. 1:36HAVE TO GO OVER THIS MATERIAL. AT LEAST THE 4 OR 500 PAGES IN
59. 1:38AT LEAST THE 4 OR 500 PAGES IN THE REPORT TO DETERMINE A WHAT
60. 1:41THE REPORT TO DETERMINE A WHAT IS FIT FOR RELEASE --
61. 1:44IS FIT FOR RELEASE -- >> WHAT IS FIT, AND AS HE SAID
62. 1:45>> WHAT IS FIT, AND AS HE SAID THERE, IT WAS TRUE.
63. 1:46THERE, IT WAS TRUE. CONGRESS WAS DECIDING WHAT WAS
64. 1:48CONGRESS WAS DECIDING WHAT WAS FIT TO RELEASE.
65. 1:49FIT TO RELEASE. STARR ALSO DISCUSSING HOW THAT
66. 1:51STARR ALSO DISCUSSING HOW THAT ARRANGEMENT LEFT HIM IN THE DARK
67. 1:53ARRANGEMENT LEFT HIM IN THE DARK ABOUT WHAT CONGRESS WOULD REVEAL
68. 1:54ABOUT WHAT CONGRESS WOULD REVEAL TO THE PUBLIC WITH OR WITHOUT
69. 1:58TO THE PUBLIC WITH OR WITHOUT REDACTIONS.
70. 1:58REDACTIONS. >> WE DID NOT KNOW WHETHER THE
71. 2:01>> WE DID NOT KNOW WHETHER THE HOUSE WOULD PUBLICLY RELEASE
72. 2:02HOUSE WOULD PUBLICLY RELEASE BOTH THE REPORT AND THE BACKUP
73. 2:05BOTH THE REPORT AND THE BACKUP MATERIALS, WOULD RELEASE
74. 2:07MATERIALS, WOULD RELEASE PORTIONS OF ONE OR BOTH, WOULD
75. 2:09PORTIONS OF ONE OR BOTH, WOULD RELEASE REDACTED VERSIONS OF THE
76. 2:11RELEASE REDACTED VERSIONS OF THE REPORT AND BACKUP DOCUMENTS, OR
77. 2:14REPORT AND BACKUP DOCUMENTS, OR WOULD SIMPLY KEEP THE REFERRAL
78. 2:16WOULD SIMPLY KEEP THE REFERRAL AND THE BACKUP MATERIALS UNDER
79. 2:20AND THE BACKUP MATERIALS UNDER SEAL JUST AS SPECIAL PROSECUTOR
80. 2:22SEAL JUST AS SPECIAL PROSECUTOR LEON JAWORSKI’S SUBMISSION IN
81. 2:26LEON JAWORSKI’S SUBMISSION IN 1974 REMAINED UNDER SEAL.
82. 2:271974 REMAINED UNDER SEAL. >> STARR SAYING THAT IT WAS THE
83. 2:28>> STARR SAYING THAT IT WAS THE CONGRESS THAT WAS GOING TO
84. 2:29CONGRESS THAT WAS GOING TO DECIDE WHETHER IT WENT PUBLIC OR
85. 2:32DECIDE WHETHER IT WENT PUBLIC OR STAYED UNDER SEAL.
86. 2:33STAYED UNDER SEAL. AND AS EVERYONE KNOWS,
87. 2:35AND AS EVERYONE KNOWS, REPUBLICANS LED THE HOUSE VOTE
88. 2:36REPUBLICANS LED THE HOUSE VOTE TO RELEASE THE ENTIRE REPORT
89. 2:41TO RELEASE THE ENTIRE REPORT SWIFTLY.
90. 2:41SWIFTLY. AMERICANS GAB BEGAN TAKING IN
91. 2:43AMERICANS GAB BEGAN TAKING IN EVERYTHING STARR FOUND ABOUT
92. 2:45EVERYTHING STARR FOUND ABOUT CLINTON’S CONDUCT AS WELL AS
93. 2:47CLINTON’S CONDUCT AS WELL AS STARR’S TACTICS AND HOW MANY
94. 2:48STARR’S TACTICS AND HOW MANY OTHER PEOPLE WERE EXPOSED IN THE
95. 2:49OTHER PEOPLE WERE EXPOSED IN THE PROCESS.
96. 2:49PROCESS. HERE IS AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION
97. 2:51HERE IS AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION AS WE ALL THINK THROUGH THESE
98. 2:53AS WE ALL THINK THROUGH THESE HISTORICAL EXAMPLES.
99. 2:54HISTORICAL EXAMPLES. JUST BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT DID
100. 2:56JUST BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT DID SOMETHING, LIKE RELEASE THE FULL
101. 2:58SOMETHING, LIKE RELEASE THE FULL STARR REPORT, DOESN’T MEAN
102. 2:59STARR REPORT, DOESN’T MEAN THAT’S THE ON THE WAY TO DO IT.
103. 3:00THAT’S THE ON THE WAY TO DO IT. IN COURT CASES, PEOPLE REFER TO
104. 3:02IN COURT CASES, PEOPLE REFER TO PRECEDENT AS AN EXAMPLE THAT
105. 3:05PRECEDENT AS AN EXAMPLE THAT SHOULD USUALLY BE FOLLOWED THE
106. 3:06SHOULD USUALLY BE FOLLOWED THE NEXT TIME.
107. 3:06NEXT TIME. BUT IN FIGHTS BETWEEN THE
108. 3:07BUT IN FIGHTS BETWEEN THE CONGRESS AND THE EXECUTIVE
109. 3:09CONGRESS AND THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH, PRECEDENT CAN JUST BE
110. 3:11BRANCH, PRECEDENT CAN JUST BE ONE OPTION ON THE TABLE.
111. 3:13ONE OPTION ON THE TABLE. AND THAT IS ILLUSTRATED IN
112. 3:15AND THAT IS ILLUSTRATED IN ANOTHER REPORT IN A PROBE INTO A
113. 3:17ANOTHER REPORT IN A PROBE INTO A WHITE HOUSE WHEN PROSECUTOR LEON
114. 3:19WHITE HOUSE WHEN PROSECUTOR LEON JAWORSKI LAID OUT FINDINGS
115. 3:20JAWORSKI LAID OUT FINDINGS AGAINST NIXON INCLUDING EVIDENCE
116. 3:22AGAINST NIXON INCLUDING EVIDENCE OF OBSTRUCTION.
117. 3:23OF OBSTRUCTION. AND LIKE STARR, JAWORSKI WAS
118. 3:26AND LIKE STARR, JAWORSKI WAS OPERATING UNDER FAIRLY
119. 3:27OPERATING UNDER FAIRLY INDEPENDENT RULES.
120. 3:27INDEPENDENT RULES. BUT IN A DIFFERENCE FROM STARR,
121. 3:28BUT IN A DIFFERENCE FROM STARR, HIS WATERGATE REPORT WAS NOT
122. 3:31HIS WATERGATE REPORT WAS NOT RELEASED IMMEDIATELY.
123. 3:32RELEASED IMMEDIATELY. NOR WAS IT RELEASED WITHIN THAT
124. 3:36NOR WAS IT RELEASED WITHIN THAT YEAR.
125. 3:36YEAR. NOR WAS IT RELEASED EVEN AFTER
126. 3:38NOR WAS IT RELEASED EVEN AFTER NIXON RESIGNED UNDER PRESSURE
127. 3:40NIXON RESIGNED UNDER PRESSURE FROM CONGRESS AFTER WHAT
128. 3:41FROM CONGRESS AFTER WHAT JAWORSKI’S REPORT FOUND.
129. 3:42JAWORSKI’S REPORT FOUND. IN FACT, THE FAMOUS WATERGATE
130. 3:44IN FACT, THE FAMOUS WATERGATE REPORT WAS RELEASED JUST LAST
131. 3:46REPORT WAS RELEASED JUST LAST YEAR AFTER STAYING SECRET UNDER
132. 3:48YEAR AFTER STAYING SECRET UNDER SEAL FOR A WHOPPING 44 YEARS.
133. 3:52SEAL FOR A WHOPPING 44 YEARS. SO, TWO REPORTS, ONE WENT PUBLIC
134. 3:54SO, TWO REPORTS, ONE WENT PUBLIC IMMEDIATELY, THE OTHER DID NOT.
135. 3:57IMMEDIATELY, THE OTHER DID NOT. AND THAT SHOWS THIS CAN STILL GO
136. 3:58AND THAT SHOWS THIS CAN STILL GO DOWN IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAYS.
137. 4:00DOWN IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAYS. AS FOR WHETHER SUCH REPORTS CAN
138. 4:02AS FOR WHETHER SUCH REPORTS CAN BE KEPT FROM CONGRESS ENTIRELY,
139. 4:04BE KEPT FROM CONGRESS ENTIRELY, MEANING NOT JUST KEPT FROM THE
140. 4:05MEANING NOT JUST KEPT FROM THE PUBLIC, BUT FROM CONGRESS, WELL,
141. 4:07PUBLIC, BUT FROM CONGRESS, WELL, THAT DOES INVOLVE A COURT
142. 4:09THAT DOES INVOLVE A COURT PRECEDENT.
143. 4:09PRECEDENT. IT’S WORTH NOTING NIXON’S FORMER
144. 4:11IT’S WORTH NOTING NIXON’S FORMER CHIEF OF STAFF TRIED TO BLOCK
145. 4:12CHIEF OF STAFF TRIED TO BLOCK THAT SAME WATERGATE REPORT FROM
146. 4:14THAT SAME WATERGATE REPORT FROM EVER GOING TO THE HOUSE AT ALL,
147. 4:17EVER GOING TO THE HOUSE AT ALL, AND HE CITED GRAND JURY SECRECY
148. 4:19AND HE CITED GRAND JURY SECRECY RULES, WHICH CAN BE A BARRIER.
149. 4:21RULES, WHICH CAN BE A BARRIER. TRUMP’S A.G. ALSO CITING THEM
150. 4:23TRUMP’S A.G. ALSO CITING THEM FOR POTENTIAL REDACTIONS IN HIS
151. 4:24FOR POTENTIAL REDACTIONS IN HIS LATEST LETTER.
152. 4:25LATEST LETTER. SO NIXON’S FORMER STAFFER LOST
153. 4:28SO NIXON’S FORMER STAFFER LOST THAT FIGHT IN COURT.
154. 4:30THAT FIGHT IN COURT. THE FINDINGS STAYED SECRET, BUT
155. 4:32THE FINDINGS STAYED SECRET, BUT THE JUDGE ORDERED THE REPORT TO
156. 4:32THE JUDGE ORDERED THE REPORT TO GO TO CONGRESS.
157. 4:36GO TO CONGRESS. >> JUDGE JOHN SERICKA SAID HE
158. 4:39>> JUDGE JOHN SERICKA SAID HE WILL SEND A SECRET GRAND JURY
159. 4:41WILL SEND A SECRET GRAND JURY REPORT ON PRESIDENT NIXON AND
160. 4:42REPORT ON PRESIDENT NIXON AND THE WATERGATE COVER UP TO
161. 4:44THE WATERGATE COVER UP TO IMPEACHMENT INVESTIGATORS IN THE
162. 4:45IMPEACHMENT INVESTIGATORS IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.
163. 4:47HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. >> AND WHEN YOU DIG THROUGH THIS
164. 4:49>> AND WHEN YOU DIG THROUGH THIS HISTORY AND SOME OF THE COVERAGE
165. 4:50HISTORY AND SOME OF THE COVERAGE AT THE TIME, YOU MAY HEAR
166. 4:52AT THE TIME, YOU MAY HEAR ANOTHER ECHO, BECAUSE, WELL,
167. 4:54ANOTHER ECHO, BECAUSE, WELL, MANY REMEMBER THAT THE GRAND
168. 4:56MANY REMEMBER THAT THE GRAND JURY DID NAME PRESIDENT NIXON AN
169. 4:59JURY DID NAME PRESIDENT NIXON AN UNINDICTED COCONSPIRATOR.
170. 5:00UNINDICTED COCONSPIRATOR. THE PROSECUTOR’S REPORT, YOU CAN
171. 5:02THE PROSECUTOR’S REPORT, YOU CAN THINK OF THAT AS MUELLER,
172. 5:05THINK OF THAT AS MUELLER, PROVIDED INFORMATION ABOUT NIXON
173. 5:06PROVIDED INFORMATION ABOUT NIXON FOR CONGRESS TO CONSIDER, BUT
174. 5:08FOR CONGRESS TO CONSIDER, BUT NOT IN AN ACCUSATORY WAY.
175. 5:11NOT IN AN ACCUSATORY WAY. HUH, WHY IS THAT FAMILIAR?
176. 5:12HUH, WHY IS THAT FAMILIAR? WELL, IF YOU WATCH THE NEWS, YOU
177. 5:14WELL, IF YOU WATCH THE NEWS, YOU PROBABLY KNOW THAT IS WHAT
178. 5:15PROBABLY KNOW THAT IS WHAT TRUMP’S NEW A.G. BARR SAYS
179. 5:17TRUMP’S NEW A.G. BARR SAYS MUELLER DID WITH HIS OBSTRUCTION
180. 5:19MUELLER DID WITH HIS OBSTRUCTION EVIDENCE.
181. 5:19EVIDENCE. NOW, YOU CAN DECIDE FOR YOURSELF
182. 5:22NOW, YOU CAN DECIDE FOR YOURSELF IF THE COVERAGE AT THAT TIME HAS
183. 5:23IF THE COVERAGE AT THAT TIME HAS KIND OF AN EERILY SIMILAR ECHO
184. 5:26KIND OF AN EERILY SIMILAR ECHO TO WHAT BARR SAYS MUELLER JUST
185. 5:26TO WHAT BARR SAYS MUELLER JUST DID.
186. 5:30DID. >> THE JUDGE DESCRIBED THE
187. 5:31>> THE JUDGE DESCRIBED THE REPORT AS A COMPILATION OF
188. 5:33REPORT AS A COMPILATION OF INFORMATION AND SAID IT
189. 5:35INFORMATION AND SAID IT CONTAINED NO FORMAL CHARGES, WAS
190. 5:36CONTAINED NO FORMAL CHARGES, WAS NOT ACCUSATORY.
191. 5:38NOT ACCUSATORY. BUT SAID IT IS OBLIGATORY THAT
192. 5:40BUT SAID IT IS OBLIGATORY THAT THE INFORMATION ON THE PRESIDENT
193. 5:41THE INFORMATION ON THE PRESIDENT BE GIVEN TO THE JUDICIARY
194. 5:42BE GIVEN TO THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE.
195. 5:44COMMITTEE. >> THE JUDGE RULING THAT WHEN
196. 5:45>> THE JUDGE RULING THAT WHEN THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE
197. 5:47THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE GETS INFORMATION ON THE
198. 5:48GETS INFORMATION ON THE PRESIDENT, IT’S CONGRESS THAT
199. 5:49PRESIDENT, IT’S CONGRESS THAT DEALS WITH IT.
200. 5:50DEALS WITH IT. NOW, AS FOR THE SECRECY ON THE
201. 5:52NOW, AS FOR THE SECRECY ON THE GRAND JURY PART, THE JUDGE RULED
202. 5:54GRAND JURY PART, THE JUDGE RULED CONGRESS COULD SEE IT BECAUSE
203. 5:55CONGRESS COULD SEE IT BECAUSE THE GRAND JURY HAD ENDED ITS
204. 5:57THE GRAND JURY HAD ENDED ITS WORK, WRITING THERE’S NO NEED TO
205. 5:58WORK, WRITING THERE’S NO NEED TO PROTECT GRAND JURY DELIBERATION
206. 6:00PROTECT GRAND JURY DELIBERATION S TO SAFEGUARD UNACCUSED OR
207. 6:02S TO SAFEGUARD UNACCUSED OR INNOCENT PERSONS WITH SECRECY.
208. 6:05INNOCENT PERSONS WITH SECRECY. THE RULING ALSO SHOWS HOW WORDS
209. 6:07THE RULING ALSO SHOWS HOW WORDS MATTER, BECAUSE EVEN WHEN A
210. 6:08MATTER, BECAUSE EVEN WHEN A PRESIDENT MIGHT USE THEM TO TRY
211. 6:09PRESIDENT MIGHT USE THEM TO TRY TO HAVE IT BOTH WAYS, SOMETHING
212. 6:11TO HAVE IT BOTH WAYS, SOMETHING THAT NIXON AND TRUMP HAVE BEEN
213. 6:12THAT NIXON AND TRUMP HAVE BEEN ACCUSED OF, IT WAS NIXON’S
214. 6:14ACCUSED OF, IT WAS NIXON’S FORMER CHIEF OF STAFF WHO SUED
215. 6:15FORMER CHIEF OF STAFF WHO SUED TO BLOCK THE REPORT WHILE
216. 6:17TO BLOCK THE REPORT WHILE PRESIDENT NIXON SEEMED TO TRY TO
217. 6:18PRESIDENT NIXON SEEMED TO TRY TO STAY ABOVE THE FRAY.
218. 6:20STAY ABOVE THE FRAY. AND THE JUDGE FOUND THAT ALSO
219. 6:23AND THE JUDGE FOUND THAT ALSO HURT PRESIDENT NIXON, NOTING,
220. 6:25HURT PRESIDENT NIXON, NOTING, QUOTE, THE PERSON ON WHOM THE
221. 6:26QUOTE, THE PERSON ON WHOM THE REPORT FOCUSES, THE PRESIDENT,
222. 6:28REPORT FOCUSES, THE PRESIDENT, HAS NOT OBJECTED TO ITS RELEASE
223. 6:31HAS NOT OBJECTED TO ITS RELEASE TO THIS HOUSE COMMITTEE.
224. 6:33TO THIS HOUSE COMMITTEE. THEY SAY, BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU
225. 6:34THEY SAY, BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR.
226. 6:35WISH FOR. WELL, ALSO BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU
227. 6:36WELL, ALSO BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU MIGHT BLUFF FOR, BECAUSE WHILE
228. 6:38MIGHT BLUFF FOR, BECAUSE WHILE BILL BARR TALKS ABOUT REDACTING
229. 6:40BILL BARR TALKS ABOUT REDACTING MANY PARTS OF THIS MUELLER
230. 6:42MANY PARTS OF THIS MUELLER REPORT, TRUMP CLAIMS HE SUPPORTS
231. 6:43REPORT, TRUMP CLAIMS HE SUPPORTS IT ALL COMING OUT.
232. 6:48IT ALL COMING OUT. >> DOES THE PUBLIC HAVE A RIGHT
233. 6:49>> DOES THE PUBLIC HAVE A RIGHT TO SEE THE MUELLER REPORT?
234. 6:51TO SEE THE MUELLER REPORT? >> I DON’T MIND.
235. 6:51>> I DON’T MIND. LET IT COME OUT.
236. 6:52LET IT COME OUT. LET PEOPLE SEE IT.
237. 6:54LET PEOPLE SEE IT. >> LET IT COME OUT.
238. 6:56>> LET IT COME OUT. IF THERE IS A COURT BATTLE OVER
239. 6:58IF THERE IS A COURT BATTLE OVER THE REDACTED PARTS OF THIS
240. 6:59THE REDACTED PARTS OF THIS MUELLER REPORT, THE QUOTE YOU
241. 7:01MUELLER REPORT, THE QUOTE YOU JUST HEARD COULD END UP IN
242. 7:03JUST HEARD COULD END UP IN COURT.
243. 7:04COURT. NOW, IN THE WATERGATE EXAMPLE,
244. 7:07NOW, IN THE WATERGATE EXAMPLE, YOU HAD BASICALLY A BIG FIGHT
245. 7:10YOU HAD BASICALLY A BIG FIGHT OVER WHAT CONGRESS SAW WITHOUT
246. 7:11OVER WHAT CONGRESS SAW WITHOUT IT GOING PUBLIC.
247. 7:12IT GOING PUBLIC. THERE ARE OTHER EXAMPLES THAT
248. 7:13THERE ARE OTHER EXAMPLES THAT WENT WIDER.
249. 7:15WENT WIDER. THERE WAS AN INDEPENDENT COUNSEL
250. 7:16THERE WAS AN INDEPENDENT COUNSEL NAMED WALSH WHO WAS IN THE IRAN
251. 7:18NAMED WALSH WHO WAS IN THE IRAN CONTRA CASE.
252. 7:19CONTRA CASE. HE SAID WHEN A COURT RULED ON
253. 7:21HE SAID WHEN A COURT RULED ON THE IRAN CONTRA AFFAIR, THAT IS
254. 7:23THE IRAN CONTRA AFFAIR, THAT IS IMPORTANT TO GO TO THE PUBLIC.
255. 7:28IMPORTANT TO GO TO THE PUBLIC. >> WHERE ANY ATTORNEY GENERAL IS
256. 7:32>> WHERE ANY ATTORNEY GENERAL IS ADVISING THE PRESIDENT AND FEELS
257. 7:34ADVISING THE PRESIDENT AND FEELS A, A, A PROTECTIVE SENSE TOWARD
258. 7:39A, A, A PROTECTIVE SENSE TOWARD HIM, IT’S DIFFICULT FOR THAT
259. 7:40HIM, IT’S DIFFICULT FOR THAT PERSON TO TURN AROUND AND BE THE
260. 7:43PERSON TO TURN AROUND AND BE THE PROSECUTORIAL OFFICER.
261. 7:44PROSECUTORIAL OFFICER. >> AGAIN, YOU CAN PUT YOUR
262. 7:46>> AGAIN, YOU CAN PUT YOUR HISTORY HAT ON.
263. 7:46HISTORY HAT ON. WHAT YOU WOULD BE HEARING THERE
264. 7:47WHAT YOU WOULD BE HEARING THERE IS SOMEONE IN THE MUELLER
265. 7:49IS SOMEONE IN THE MUELLER POSITION CRITICIZING SOMEONE IN
266. 7:51POSITION CRITICIZING SOMEONE IN THE BARR POSITION, AND THAT’S
267. 7:52THE BARR POSITION, AND THAT’S WHAT CHAIRMAN NADLER AND OTHERS
268. 7:54WHAT CHAIRMAN NADLER AND OTHERS HAVE BEEN SAYING TODAY.
269. 7:55HAVE BEEN SAYING TODAY. SO WHAT IF, TAKE IT ALL
270. 7:56SO WHAT IF, TAKE IT ALL TOGETHER, THERE IS A COURT
271. 7:59TOGETHER, THERE IS A COURT BATTLE?
272. 7:59BATTLE? WELL, REMEMBER, THE WHITE HOUSE
273. 8:00WELL, REMEMBER, THE WHITE HOUSE DOES HAVE AN ARGUMENT HERE.
274. 8:02DOES HAVE AN ARGUMENT HERE. AS WE’VE POINTED OUT ON THE
275. 8:04AS WE’VE POINTED OUT ON THE SHOW, THAT MUELLER IS OPERATING
276. 8:05SHOW, THAT MUELLER IS OPERATING UNDER DIFFERENT RULES THAN THE
277. 8:07UNDER DIFFERENT RULES THAN THE PROSECUTORS YOU SAW.
278. 8:09PROSECUTORS YOU SAW. BUT CONGRESS HAS AN ARGUMENT
279. 8:10BUT CONGRESS HAS AN ARGUMENT THAT WHATEVER THOSE RULES ARE,
280. 8:12THAT WHATEVER THOSE RULES ARE, THAT BY THE WAY, CAN CHANGE
281. 8:13THAT BY THE WAY, CAN CHANGE UNDER ANY JUSTICE DEPARTMENT,
282. 8:14UNDER ANY JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, THE CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUES COME
283. 8:15THE CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUES COME IN PLAY.
284. 8:16IN PLAY. IT WAS ULTIMATELY THOSE ISSUES,
285. 8:19IT WAS ULTIMATELY THOSE ISSUES, TRANSPARENCY, CONGRESSIONAL
286. 8:20TRANSPARENCY, CONGRESSIONAL ACCOUNTABILITY FOR POTENTIALLY
287. 8:22ACCOUNTABILITY FOR POTENTIALLY CRIMINAL PRESIDENTIAL ACTS, THAT
288. 8:24CRIMINAL PRESIDENTIAL ACTS, THAT ANIMATED THE FAMOUS RULING ON
289. 8:26ANIMATED THE FAMOUS RULING ON THE NIXON TAPE SUBPOENA, WHICH
290. 8:28THE NIXON TAPE SUBPOENA, WHICH ONLY TOOK THREE MONTHS TO REACH
291. 8:29ONLY TOOK THREE MONTHS TO REACH THIS RESOLUTION.
292. 8:32THIS RESOLUTION. >> GOOD MORNING.
293. 8:33>> GOOD MORNING. THE SUPREME COURT HAS JUST RULED
294. 8:35THE SUPREME COURT HAS JUST RULED ON THE TAPES CONTROVERSY AND
295. 8:38ON THE TAPES CONTROVERSY AND HERE IS CARL STERN WHO HAS THAT
296. 8:40HERE IS CARL STERN WHO HAS THAT RULING.
297. 8:41RULING. >> IT IS A UNANIMOUS DECISION,
298. 8:43>> IT IS A UNANIMOUS DECISION, JUSTICE REHNQUIST TOOK NO PART
299. 8:44JUSTICE REHNQUIST TOOK NO PART IN THE DECISION, ORDERING THE
300. 8:46IN THE DECISION, ORDERING THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
301. 8:46PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES TO TURNOVER THE TAPES.
302. 8:49TO TURNOVER THE TAPES. [ CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ]
303. 8:49[ CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ] >> TURNOVER THE TAPES.
304. 8:52>> TURNOVER THE TAPES. I MENTIONED THE DISTINCTIONS
305. 8:54I MENTIONED THE DISTINCTIONS ABOUT PRECEDENT.
306. 8:55ABOUT PRECEDENT. NO ONE SAYING THAT IS APPLES TO
307. 8:57NO ONE SAYING THAT IS APPLES TO APPLES.
308. 8:57APPLES. THOSE WERE TAPES, NOT A
309. 9:00THOSE WERE TAPES, NOT A CONGRESSIONAL DESIRED REPORT.
310. 9:01CONGRESSIONAL DESIRED REPORT. BUT AS WE JUST SHOWED, WHEN IT
311. 9:03BUT AS WE JUST SHOWED, WHEN IT COMES TO PREDICTING HOW FAST AND
312. 9:05COMES TO PREDICTING HOW FAST AND HOW STRONG THE SUPREME COURT
313. 9:06HOW STRONG THE SUPREME COURT MIGHT INTERVENE IN THE CASE LIKE
314. 9:08MIGHT INTERVENE IN THE CASE LIKE THIS, WELL, HISTORY SHOWS IF
315. 9:11THIS, WELL, HISTORY SHOWS IF THEY THINK THERE ARE SECRETS
316. 9:12THEY THINK THERE ARE SECRETS BEING KEPT FROM CONGRESS THAT GO
317. 9:14BEING KEPT FROM CONGRESS THAT GO TO CONGRESS’S CORE POWERS, WELL,