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0:00Men have broad and large chests.
0:02>> All right, just objectively verifiable
0:06biological realities. Let's
0:07>> small narrow hips and more understanding
0:09than women.
0:10>> Um, yes. Look at the bell curve. Okay.
0:12There are far more male geniuses than
0:14there ever has been or will be female
0:16geniuses.
0:17>> To the end, they should remain at home,
0:19sit still, keep house, and bear and
0:21bring up children. Martin Luther, ladies
0:22and gentlemen.
0:24>> Yes.
0:25>> Martin Luther, not Matt Chandler.
0:27>> Martin.
0:27>> Oh, no. No. And this is what I'm talking
0:29about, guys. This is why the men are
0:30leaving. Like a man of God who reads the
0:32scriptures and a woman of God too reads
0:34the scriptures and they go, "Yeah, yeah,
0:36that's fine. What's wrong with that?"
0:43My main question is, why are he told me
0:45to proclaim the good news in the
0:47darkness? We must make America Christian
0:50again.
0:54For the last several decades,
0:55evangelicalism has been losing the men.
0:57We all know it. We look around, we see
0:59it, we feel it, right? Young men are
1:01walking into evangelical churches with
1:03pastors with skinny jeans singing Jesus
1:05is my boyfriend music and thinking to
1:07themselves, "I don't think I belong
1:09here." They feel as though they have to
1:11check their masculinity at the door. And
1:15the problem is they're kind of right.
1:17The church has become feminized. The
1:19church has become effeminite. And that's
1:21why they're leaving. Well, that's part
1:24of it. The real reason I believe is
1:26ultimately theological. Theology is
1:28after all the queen of the sciences. And
1:30I believe the real reason underneath the
1:32reason that men are actually leaving is
1:35because we have forsaken biblical
1:37patriarchy. We've replaced it with a
1:39halfway house called complimentarianism.
1:41So we are going to get into that today.
1:43This is an old video. Let's pull it up.
1:46This is an old video that I'm going to
1:47be reacting to from Pastor Matt
1:50Chandler. It's like seven years old,
1:51eight years old it says down there. And
1:54I really genuinely believe that what
1:57we're about to witness, what we're about
1:59to watch together, you and I, summarizes
2:04so much of what's wrong with evangelical
2:06Christianity. And the reason why I'm
2:08bringing this to you is because there's
2:10a better way. But we'll get to that.
2:11We'll get to that. So, let's tune in to
2:14this video. The the topic, the sermon
2:16title was comp the complimentary roles
2:19of men and women. and he is essentially
2:22laying out his uh his thesis, well the
2:25official church position of his church,
2:27the village church. And I'll leave the
2:30the video in the description this time
2:31so you can actually go see the whole
2:33thing if you need to. But we're going to
2:34watch a section of this that summarizes
2:36the issue. So he's laying out what he
2:38perceives to be the four categories of
2:44acceptable views within Orthodox
2:45Christianity as it relates to gender
2:47roles. Okay? And from the outset, we're
2:50going to see a problem with this. But
2:51let's jump into the video and then I'll
2:54comment on it as we go and then kind of
2:55offer the solution. Um, and you know,
2:58spoiler alert, the solution is biblical
3:00patriarchy. Okay? So, but we'll make the
3:02case as we go. So, let's do this. And
3:05then we'll talk about where we land as a
3:06church and what that looks like. So,
3:07here they are. Uh, biblical
3:08Christianity, feminism, egalitarianism,
3:10complimentarianism, and patriarchy. Now,
3:12uh, depending on your background, one or
3:13more of those words could be cuss words
3:15to you. Okay. Starting off here, we've
3:18got, you can see the graph. I'll walk
3:20you through it. Biblical Christianity.
3:23And then we've got in the bottom there,
3:24the roles of men and women. And within
3:26the framework of biblical Christianity,
3:29and this is crazy. Within that
3:31framework, we have feminism,
3:33egalitarianism, complimentarianism,
3:35patriarchy, patriarchy, and feminism
3:38being on the far right and the far left.
3:39Okay? But but don't worry, we're gonna
3:41find that that mean that middle way,
3:43that third way, that Tim Keller third
3:45way.
3:47We're not. Okay, we'll we'll get to
3:48that, though. So, um so we're starting
3:51off really horrible because anything
3:53related to feminism is completely
3:55foreign to orthodox Christianity. All
3:57right, historic Orthodox Christianity.
4:00Everything feminism came from the 1920s
4:03to the 1960s theologically speaking.
4:06That's when all the uh biblical
4:08scholarship, the biblical criticism and
4:10all these feminist scholars are doing
4:11their work to invalidate the scriptures
4:12and inject their cultural or their
4:15Marxism. Yeah, the cultural Marxism into
4:17the scriptures. But let's keep going
4:18here, right? Depending on your
4:20background. But here's where I'm trying
4:21to just kind of inform you. Notice that
4:23half of patriarchy is cut out under the
4:25framework of biblical Christianity. And
4:26notice that half of feminism is cut out
4:28around biblical Christianity. So on the
4:30patriarchy side of things, you can have
4:31misogyny and all sorts of wicked evil
4:33things that have occurred in churches,
4:35outside of churches around the
4:37overemphasis of male domination. Okay,
4:40starting off, this is the perennial
4:43problem within evangelicalism, the need
4:46to punch really hard to the right,
4:49right? All of the nasty patriarchy
4:51people, they're doineering, right?
4:53They're dangerous. Well, I say I'm going
4:56to be fair to him. He's saying that uh
4:58half of the circle there is within
5:00biblical Christianity, but on the far
5:02right out there, those are the nasty
5:04guys. And don't get me wrong, there are
5:06some nasty patriarchy people out there.
5:08I agree. But you'll see this trend.
5:11We're got to put on the gloves off
5:14actually when we're punching right. When
5:15we're punching left, it's like they mean
5:16well. The feminists, they mean well, you
5:19know, but they just got a few things
5:20wrong. This is the perennial problem
5:22which is driving off young men who are
5:24right leaning and men are traditionally
5:27more right leaning than left leaning and
5:29that divide is growing increasingly
5:31year-over-year. Um but yeah, it's a huge
5:34problem. All right, so that's that's the
5:36framing. That's uh that's how the
5:38evangelical world has operated for a
5:39long time is punch really hard to the
5:41right, kid gloves for the left, and
5:43that's driving men off. So we're just
5:45going to keep kind of noticing these
5:46things as we go, guys. And then on the
5:49far side of feminism, you have kind of
5:51the gender fluidity and that men don't
5:52matter and everything that men do are
5:54evil and there should be nothing
5:56masculine in the world that is not evil
5:57and oppressive and should be snuffed
5:59out. Right? So I'm saying those two
6:01things, let's lop those things off and
6:02let's just get in to here and and then
6:04just my it's super hot in my garage and
6:07if you're listening, this makes no sense
6:08to you, but I'm smoking my pipe and it's
6:10like a I've got a fan like two inches
6:12from my face. Hopefully you guys can't
6:13hear that too much, but uh that's why
6:15the smoke is blowing away at uh
6:17incredible speeds. Cards on the table,
6:19even inside these brackets. I think
6:21patriarchy has some good true things in
6:23it, but it's an overemphasis that
6:25creates a kind of um underdevelopment in
6:28the church. And I think feminism is the
6:30same way, an overemphasis on the other
6:32side of things that leads to some
6:33underdevelopment where the church cannot
6:35flourish and the beauty of God's good
6:36design can't be seen and celebrated. All
6:38right, so that's my cards on the table.
6:39Let's dive in to these categories and
6:42and we'll just see what the Lord has for
6:43us today. Right. The first one would be
6:44Christian feminism. Let me quote
6:46Katherine Bushnell. Here's
6:48>> All right. I see. And this this is where
6:49we're starting off here. He places
6:53Christian feminism within the realms of
6:55orthodoxy. I I think that is a huge
6:57mistake. It is a novelty, a historical
7:00novelty to place any of these 20th
7:04century
7:05communist views within orthodoxy. So,
7:08let's let's hear his explanation,
7:10though.
7:10>> Here's where the great mistake is made
7:12on the woman question. And here's the
7:14woman question. Is it prudent to allow
7:15women to do thus and so? Men ask
7:17themselves this at every step of a
7:19woman's progress. The only question that
7:20should be asked is, "Does justice demand
7:23this? If so, let justice be done, though
7:25the heavens fall, and anything short of
7:27justice is mere mischief." All right,
7:29I'm going to try to as charitably as I
7:31can define Christian feminism. A
7:33Christian feminist is someone who seeks
7:35to define and defend the equal rights of
7:37women in all spheres of life whether
7:38that's politically, economically,
7:40socially or spiritually. So that's
7:41Christian feminism and I all I want to
7:43say is I like that it's charitable
7:46because I have left out the violence by
7:47which they perceive masculinity. I just
7:50so okay even there the charitable view
7:52we we need to reject. We we should
7:55reject that what he just said that
7:57litany of uh rights and so on that all
8:01that is good and because it's not rooted
8:02in scripture. Let's go back to the
8:03presuppositions here that he's uh kind
8:06of exposing within the feminist
8:07literature here. A Christian feminist is
8:10someone who seeks to define and defend
8:11the equal rights of women in all
8:13>> define and defend the equal rights
8:16>> spheres of life. Whether that's
8:17>> of all women in all spheres of life
8:19>> politically, economically, socially, or
8:21>> politically, economically, social
8:24feminis. Okay,
8:25>> that's ridiculous. That's ridiculous.
8:28Um, this is the language of the modern
8:32gay race comm the Marxist left, that
8:35they believe that they have a right to
8:37everything. They believe that they have
8:38a right to everything. That God from on
8:41high said that men and women obviously
8:44they th both of those both the genders,
8:46both the sexes have to have equal say in
8:49everything. And in fact, that's directly
8:52contradicted by scripture again and
8:53again and again. Uh men and women are
8:55different. Now, um hopefully you guys
8:58know me well enough by now. If you're
8:59new to this channel, maybe you don't
9:00know this, but um I'm not going to be
9:02like dogging on women. This like I'm
9:04reformation red pill, not just a red
9:06pill guy. I am a reformation red pill. I
9:08go to uh well first and foremost to
9:10scripture because that is the the
9:12beating heart of the reformation is soul
9:13of scripture are going back to the
9:15sources back to the sources back to
9:16scripture. Um and the Bible does not
9:18degrade women. It honors them as the
9:21weaker vessel. It calls them to uniquely
9:23feminine glories. And that's what I'm
9:24going to be calling women to is uniquely
9:26feminine glories. And I'll be calling
9:27men to uniquely masculine glories. This
9:29is very important. Um and this is this
9:31is how we win, guys. This is how we win
9:33is getting this right. The reason I'm
9:34doing this video is because we have to
9:36if we don't get
9:39the gender roles and not even the gender
9:41roles, the nature of men and women
9:43correctly, we lose. We lose. There's a
9:46reason why the gay race comm has gone so
9:51hard hard in the paint with the feminist
9:54propaganda, right? because they know
9:58well I mean they know that if you can
10:00destroy the nuclear family you destroy
10:03the patriarchy and in fact that was
10:05their goal explicitly the long march
10:08through the institutions that the left
10:10you know took it upon themselves to
10:13effectuate over the course of the last
10:1570 years their their guiding light in
10:19the national women's movement right
10:21Mallerie Millet I'm sorry Kate Millet
10:23Mallerie Mallalerie Millet wrote the
10:24article Kate Millet
10:26They wrote it out. It's in the
10:28literature. They wanted to destroy the
10:30American family so that they could
10:32destroy the the patriarch, the American
10:34patriarch. They patriarchy is their
10:36enemy. And if uh it should tell you
10:38something that complimentarianism was
10:40not their enemy. Patriarchy was the
10:42enemy of the godless pagan death cult
10:46that is the the modern left, the
10:49progressive left. They weren't worried
10:51about complimentarianism.
10:53Complimentarianism is a halfway house.
10:55They were worried about patriarchy
10:57because biblical patriarchy can stand
10:59against the evil. So let's keep going
11:01here. Feminism and I all I want to say
11:03is I like that it's charitable because I
11:05have left out the violence by which they
11:07perceive masculinity. I've just cut that
11:09out because they view with great
11:10skepticism, fear, and anger. Many of
11:13them because of experiences and
11:14backgrounds the role of a man and
11:16anything open to a man that wouldn't be
11:18open to a woman is hostile that leads to
11:19oppression. Right now they root this in
11:22the Bible. In fact, Christian feminists
11:24tend to like about three verses of the
11:25Bible and then reject the rest of it.
11:27Okay, see this is good. This is good.
11:29Like, okay, not everything that old Mr.
11:32Chandler says is bad. He's getting he's
11:35sticking it to the feminists in the
11:36right way, but he does leave way too
11:39much room in the orthodoxy camp for
11:40feminism. But let's keep going here. All
11:42right. And this is me being charitable,
11:44and I know I'm going to get some emails
11:45and let's just play, right? I'm just
11:47really confident in what the word of God
11:48has said. It's not like I just studied
11:50this this week, right? There's a full
11:51paper on this and our website. Behind
11:52that is a 60-page exeetical paper that's
11:55just on the texts that are around this
11:56issue. This isn't laziness coming out.
11:58This is hard, long work from our elder
12:00board that's being rolled out here
12:01today, right? And and so in this,
12:03they're going to make the argument
12:04theologically based on Genesis 1:27 and
12:0628. So, let's look at that together.
12:10Wondering if this is even worth our
12:12time. I mean, they're they're so
12:14abhorently wrong. Now, let's uh we might
12:17skip ahead here. Let me see. So God
12:19created man in his own image. I can
12:22summarize it for you. So the the
12:24feminists, they believe that patriarchy
12:28is a result of the fall, right? That the
12:30creation order, the fact that God
12:32created man and then first and gave him
12:35the mission and then created Eve out of
12:36man. Uh that the creation order has
12:39nothing to do with hierarchy. Um that
12:41the fact that she is the helpmate has
12:43nothing to do with authority for them.
12:46They they I mean it's a total
12:48bastardization of scripture. There there
12:50are no good arguments for Christian
12:51feminism and I'm very serious about
12:52that. None. Zero. Like look, I I I have
12:55done the reading, okay? I have the
12:56books. I can get it for you right here.
12:58All right. I've got other books, but
13:00this is the one that's most readily
13:01available. I've read the books. I've
13:02done it and they are awful. The the
13:04arguments are absolutely terrible. So,
13:06that's enough of that. We can just skip
13:08that. um all the cases for feminism
13:11>> the Christian feminists make is of women
13:13and the subjugation of women under the
13:15tyranny of men that's the argument now
13:18in this space Christian feminists tend
13:20to because they view the Bible with
13:22great skepticism because they will argue
13:2485 90% of them will argue that the Bible
13:27was written by men for men to protect
13:29the power
13:30>> okay this is obviously wrong this is we
13:31can we can skip ahead here
13:32>> abortion so that would be Christian
13:34feminism now um let's talk about
13:36>> All right so now we're going to get on
13:38to patriarchy. So, he's starting with
13:40the fringes, right? He's starting with
13:41the far left. The problems on the far
13:43left in his mind. Um, and now we're
13:46going to the far right, the the problem
13:48with patriarchy. So, let's let's see
13:50what Mr. Chandler here, Pastor Chandler
13:52has to say about patriarchy.
13:54>> Patriarchy. Remember what I said about
13:55these two, right? Remember that that I
13:57said parts of what they believe is just
13:59completely out of orthodoxy, but then
14:00there is some kind of it's truth, but
14:02it's an overemphasized truth, right? So,
14:03where Christian feminists would just
14:05say, "Hey, listen. We've both been
14:06created in the image of God. We've got
14:07dignity, value, and worth. I just hardly
14:08affirm that and say yes and admit to
14:10that. But it's an overemphasizing
14:12uh of woman so that there is no
14:13distinction. And we believe there's a
14:15distinction, right? A dependence, but
14:17also a distinction. And so we'll talk
14:18more about that when we get to where we
14:20land, right? So let me read this quote.
14:22I'm I'm going be straight with you. I'm
14:23a little anxious about reading it, but
14:24I'm just going to read it. I want you to
14:25hear me. Look right at me. This
14:26>> All right. Here we go. He's going to
14:28read a quote. He's really He's anxious
14:29about reading it. Let's hear Let's hear
14:31it. It's must be It must be really bad.
14:33Let's hear it.
14:34>> Is a quote.
14:36We we good?
14:37>> Okay. It's Martin Luther, one of the
14:39fathers of the Protestant Reformation.
14:41>> Men have broad and
14:42>> Martin Luther
14:43>> large chests, small narrow, fathers of
14:46the Protestant Reformation.
14:47>> Men have broad and large chests and
14:50small narrow hips and more understanding
14:52than women who have but small and narrow
14:53breasts and broad hips. To the end they
14:55should remain at home, sit still, keep
14:57house, and bear and bring up children.
14:59>> Okay. All right. Let's see how Let's see
15:01how Martin Luther ladies and gentlemen.
15:04>> That's it's a punch line. Luther, not
15:05Matt Chandler.
15:06>> It's a Martin Luther, not Matt Chandler.
15:08Let's go back and read that. All right.
15:11Or let him say it again. I guess
15:12>> men have broad and large chests.
15:14>> All right. Just objectively verifiable
15:19biological realities. Let's
15:20>> small narrow hips and more understanding
15:22than women.
15:23>> Okay? And this is important. This is
15:25important. Um
15:28let's just put it this way. Biology
15:30matters. Your nature matters. God did
15:32not just
15:33uh arbitrarily assign different roles to
15:36the sexes. The different roles. This is
15:38where complimentarianism goes very wrong
15:40because it roots uh it roots everything
15:42in the different roles that God has
15:44assigned to the sexes and you know that
15:47he's clearly outlined in scripture. So
15:50it it bases the differences just purely
15:52in the roles as if the roles that God
15:54gave to men and women are kind of
15:56arbitrary like you know men are the ones
16:00who are called to preach just because
16:02you know they got something between
16:03their legs. All right has nothing to do
16:05has nothing to do with their nature has
16:06nothing to do with how they uniquely
16:09reflect the image of God. Okay this is
16:12where complimentarianism goes wrong. It
16:14rejects the It rejects the idea that we
16:18truly do have something truly different
16:20in our nature. And it's like, you know,
16:22we're I the Bible doesn't say this
16:23explicitly, but it does insinuate it. I
16:26I I well, I would say, no, it does. We
16:29can say this with certainty because
16:30Jesus Christ was a man, and whenever he
16:33was raised with a glorified body, one
16:35that we too will receive, a glorified
16:37body that we too will receive, he
16:40maintained his masculinity. He was a man
16:42still. So when in the new creation we
16:45will be man and woman, male and female.
16:48It is in our nature. It is embedded into
16:51the source code of our soul. Okay? And
16:54that's good. That's good. It's not it's
16:56not just arbitrary these roles that God
16:58has given us. They're rooted in our
16:59nature. So um so Martin Luther is
17:03observing the fact that we're different
17:06biologically, physically, and it is, you
17:09know, those physical realities, those uh
17:12physical differences actually tell a
17:15story of what God intends for us to do.
17:17All right, so let's keep going here. Who
17:19have but small and narrow breasts and
17:20broad hips to the
17:21>> Oh, and the understanding piece. Um yes,
17:24look at the bell curve. Okay. Um there
17:27are far more
17:30male geniuses.
17:32And this these are just the facts, okay?
17:34There are far more male geniuses than
17:36there ever has been or will be female
17:38geniuses, right? In fact, uh the the IQ
17:42distribution says that kind of there are
17:45slightly fewer women who are generally
17:48more intelligent and everyone at the far
17:51end of the bell curve, genius level are
17:54uh are are men basically. And on the
17:57other side too there there's a lot of
17:58retards that are men too. So we gota
18:01have both sides of the bell curve. Um
18:04but anyway I I say that to say God this
18:07is not an accident. God if if you just
18:09observe reality just observe so
18:10sociology and this isn't me saying hey
18:12women are stupid. This is me saying that
18:14God gave men and women unique gifts
18:17unique talents that that accord with
18:20their nature. All right. And some of the
18:22some of you probably not my audience
18:24probably isn't offended by that. But
18:25that them's just the facts. And what we
18:27want to say is that those facts point to
18:29a deeper reality, a spiritual reality
18:31that actually God lays out for us in
18:32scripture. Right? So it's it it
18:35shouldn't be offensive to anybody. So
18:37men have they're generally stronger.
18:39They're built differently. They have
18:40more understanding. Okay. Another piece
18:42of this puzzle is is that uh the reason
18:45that the Apostle Paul gives Nope. You
18:47know what? Let's get to that in a
18:49minute. We're going to talk about why
18:50women can't be pastors and elders, but
18:52we'll do that later. To the end, they
18:53should remain at home, sit still, keep
18:55house, and bear, and bring up children.
18:57Okay. To the end, they should remain at
19:00home, sit still, keep house, and uh
19:03bring up children. What is wrong with
19:05that? What is wrong with that phrase?
19:08What's wrong with it is the feminists
19:10have made it out, have successfully
19:12indoctrinated multiple generations at
19:15this point into believing that that is
19:16somehow beneath them. that that is
19:19somehow less than when in reality that
19:23is one of the most glorious things they
19:24could ever do is to stay in the home,
19:27keep the home, bear and raise and
19:29nurture children. It is literally it's
19:31the thing that they can do that men
19:33cannot do. It is their glory, right? It
19:36is one of the unique ways that they
19:37image that they uh display the image of
19:40their creator, right? God is a creator
19:42and a nurturer.
19:44And so too, women with ch with
19:47childbearing and nurturing children
19:49reflect the image of God in a very
19:51unique way, the most beautiful way
19:52possible. And feminists have have
19:55successfully
19:57propagandized a generation into
19:58believing that this quote that he just
20:01said is somehow demoralizing or
20:03despicable. That's crazy. Can we Can we
20:06find Can we just say that? That's crazy.
20:08That's crazy. Anyway, let's keep going
20:11here.
20:12>> Martin Luther, ladies and gentlemen.
20:14>> Yes. Martin Luther, not Matt Chandler.
20:17Martin.
20:18>> Oh, no. No. And this is what I'm talking
20:19about, guys. This is why the men are
20:20leaving because they they a real man
20:23hears that quote and they go, "Yeah,
20:25what's like a man of God who reads the
20:28scriptures and a woman of God, too,
20:29reads the scriptures and they go, "Yeah,
20:31yeah, that's fine. What's wrong with
20:33that?" Okay. We have been so
20:34conditioned. We've been so conditioned
20:36by the spirit of the age, guys. All
20:38right. If you were offended by that
20:40quote, and I get it. I would have been
20:41six, seven years ago, but um if you were
20:44offended by that quote, you need to you
20:46got some work to do. Root out that
20:47latent feminism that is uh that's in
20:50your bones. It's like cancer. Got to get
20:52it out of there. Martin Luther, one of
20:54the fathers of the Protestant
20:55Reformation. Now, you could say that
20:57terrible statements like that, and that
20:59is a terrible statement.
21:01>> Look, terrible. This is why we're
21:04losing. This is why we're losing the
21:05men. Terrible statements like that are
21:07what really led to organizations like
21:09Vision Forum uh outline 26 principles
21:11making up the tenants of Christian
21:13patriarchy. Now, okay, the 26 the 26 uh
21:18tenants of Christian patriarchy. I'll
21:19pull that up here. So, here we've got
21:21it. These uh these are great. I read
21:25through them and they're excellent and
21:28we could go through them right now.
21:29We'll let him talk about it for just a
21:31second. Um, if you guys are interested
21:33in me just doing an episode on the 26
21:35tenants, kind of laying them out,
21:37talking through them, giving my reaction
21:39and my thoughts on them, that could be
21:41good. Let me know in the comments if you
21:43would watch that. Okay? So, uh, if I get
21:45if I hear enough people in the comments
21:47crying out, begging for it, I'll give it
21:49to them. I'll give the I'll give the
21:51people what they want. All right? That's
21:52the just the kind of guy I am. All
21:54right, let's keep going here.
21:56Now, this includes a declaration that
21:57God is masculine. So, patriarchs
21:59believe, hey, people land in his casual.
22:01God is masculine. Here's the deal. He
22:02is, right? He is He. And Jesus was a
22:05man. Masculine, right? He wasn't gender
22:08fluid. He was a man. He didn't It wasn't
22:10Jesse. Didn't come as a woman. He is a
22:12man. Man, man. Jesus of Nazareth. The
22:16man.
22:17>> Patriarch would argue that the family is
22:20the foundation of society. And they're
22:22right. It is. Okay, there we go. See, I
22:24I we the things we like. Okay, we've we
22:27just saw a few things we don't like,
22:29things we like. You know, he said uh
22:31foundation of family, church, and state
22:33here. Let's see right there. Um uh I
22:37think it says it somewhere on there. The
22:39church, okay,
22:41see family, church, and state are
22:43parallel institutions. That's really
22:45important. Uh parallel institutions
22:48meaning that meaning that it's it's
22:50actually quite simple. Like we see very
22:52clearly in scripture that
22:55God has ordained men to lead in the
22:58church, right? 1 Timothy 2:12.
23:01God ordained I mean plenty of places we
23:03could go. We've seen that God ordained
23:05men to lead in the family. Ephesians 6.
23:08Uh I mean Ephesians 6, we got 1 Peter
23:11chapter 3. I mean we got lots of places
23:13we could go there. Okay. Church family.
23:15And then the other primary sphere of
23:17authority and submission in society is
23:20the civil sphere. All right? And we know
23:23from Isaiah chapter 3 right at the
23:24beginning of the chapter that when women
23:26are ruling in the civil sphere that is a
23:29judgment from God on high on that
23:31society, right? Women and young people
23:33ruling in the civil sphere is a
23:35judgment. So we know that men should be
23:38ruling in all three spheres.
23:41That's that is a full orbed biblical
23:44approach to uh spheres of authority that
23:47God has ordained and laid out for us in
23:49scripture. Not just scripture in nature.
23:50It's obvious we can look at nature and
23:52see that men are designed for uh
23:54authority in these in these areas. Now,
23:56of course, caveat, yes, of course,
23:59they're they're to lead like Christ,
24:00right? Loving, sacrificial, all that
24:02stuff. Yes. Yes. Yes. We'll get to that,
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26:24the family unit. That's another sermon
26:26for another day. Right. They're going to
26:28argue this is modeled in the patriarchs.
26:29Wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold on.
26:32We can trace back the problems we're
26:35facing culturally speaking to the
26:36disintegration of the family. Yes. Yes.
26:40And let's continue as we go. I'm going
26:42to be making the case that
26:43complimentarianism does not have the
26:44spine, does not have the backbone to
26:47maintain order in the way that God has
26:49designed. Okay? It is biblical
26:51patriarchy is the only way. Let's keep
26:53going. of the Old Testament, but is also
26:55upheld in the New Testament. 1
26:56Corinthians 11:3. But I want you to
26:58understand that the head of every man is
27:00Jesus Christ and the head of a wife is
27:03her husband and the head of Christ is
27:05God. So this is said to mean that all
27:07women must be under the authority of a
27:08man at all times. Okay, this is
27:10important that by nature
27:14men are designed to lead and that means
27:16that a woman like ontologically speaking
27:21is under the authority of her father
27:23until such time as she gets married and
27:26she is under the authority of her
27:28husband. So ladies, you would start
27:30under the authority of your father and
27:32then once you got married, you would be
27:34under the authority of your husband and
27:36then god forbid if your husband were to
27:37die, you would be under the authority of
27:38your son, your brother or some male
27:41pastor.
27:42>> That that's how they would interpret
27:43this verse in light of the Old Testament
27:46in a and that authority is not a
27:48doineering uh authority, not domination.
27:51We we believe in dominion, not
27:53domination. All right. Um yeah, it's not
27:56a doineering authority. It is an
27:58authority of protection. That's how it's
28:00supposed to be, right? Men are designed
28:04in their nature back getting back to
28:05nature, not just roles. Getting back to
28:07nature, they are designed to be
28:09protectors and providers.
28:11In addition to male authority, Christian
28:13patriarchy teaches that men and women
28:14have different roles in the world. Now,
28:15complimentarians believe this also,
28:17right? But we'll talk about that because
28:18they're, like I said, it's an
28:19overemphasis.
28:20Phil Lancaster said this. The God-
28:22ordained and proper sphere of dominion
28:24for a wife is the household and that
28:26which is connected with the home. While
28:28unmarried women may have flexibility, it
28:30is not the fitting role of women to work
28:32alongside men as their functional equals
28:34in public spheres of dominion. That is
28:37that's so so true, King. So true, Phil
28:40Lancaster. It's very true. While
28:43unmarried women may have flexibility,
28:46okay, where they may may have
28:47flexibility, we we do live in a modern
28:49society that is hostile to the way that
28:53God designed the world, particularly
28:55with regard to the sexes. Ever since the
28:56sexual revolution, I mean, it going back
28:58before that, feminism, first wave,
28:59feminism was a disaster just like all
29:01the other waves. It laid the foundation
29:03for all of the s
29:05sec succeeding succeeding succeeding
29:09feminists in their turn. Okay. Yeah.
29:11Yeah. The first wave feminism bad.
29:12That's what I'm saying. It's all That's
29:14all I'm saying, guys. Um and uh yeah,
29:18and it's not obvious. Oh, yeah. So,
29:21women have flexibility in the work.
29:22Yeah. So, and and I'm not I'm also not
29:25saying don't hear what I'm not saying.
29:28All right. Hear what I am saying. I am
29:29not saying that women cannot work
29:31outside the home. I don't believe that
29:34because let's go let's go over here. Why
29:36don't we just go to the word to the word
29:39to the word we go? Let's go to Proverbs
29:4431. We're thinking of the ideal woman
29:47here. All right. So, in Proverbs 31,
29:50first of all, it starts off, "What are
29:52you doing, my son?" Uh oh. What are you
29:55doing, son of my womb? All right. Let's
29:57go down to the the Proverbs 31 woman
30:00here.
30:04An excellent wife. Who can find? All
30:06right. Hard to find. Hard to find an
30:07excellent wife, but she's out there.
30:08There are many. I have found one myself.
30:10She is far more precious than jewels.
30:12The heart of her husband trusts in her.
30:14And I I I want to read this partially
30:16because we need to get um my audience is
30:19going to perhaps heir well a lot of my
30:22audience is going to perhaps heir on the
30:24side of
30:26hating women. Not hating women. I know a
30:28lot of you guys don't hate women. Some
30:29of you guys have begun to like harbor
30:32bitterness and resentfulness towards
30:33women because of the excesses of
30:36feminism that have taken root in our
30:37culture. And I get it. I get it. But you
30:39are not to hate them. Um there God has
30:42ordained there is a wonderful woman out
30:44there for you and it might be she might
30:46have a little bit of latent feminism in
30:47her. You might have to cure her of that
30:49and you will be able to. A godly man can
30:52cure a woman of her feminism. Like
30:53whenever a godly man walks in the room
30:55and actually you know he's got gravitas,
30:58he loves the Lord and he displays
31:01masculine virtue. You watch women will
31:04revert back to factory settings. you
31:07know, like you can cure them of their
31:09feminism. And some of you girls are
31:10going to get in the comments. Some of
31:11you ladies will get in the comments and
31:13you'll uh you'll affirm what I'm saying.
31:16I have loads of ex- feminists, which is
31:18basically all of us. Let's be real.
31:19Loads of ex- feminists in my comments,
31:22you know, um affirming this reality that
31:25uh feminism can be uh relatively easily
31:29cured in a lot of lot of cases,
31:30especially women who love the Lord. um
31:32whenever they encounter a godly
31:34patriarch or a wouldbe patriarch. So
31:37anyway, let's uh let's go. My main point
31:39is is that women can work. So we've got
31:42she seeks wool and flax and she works uh
31:44she works with her willing hands. She is
31:48like the ships of the merchant. She
31:50brings her food from afar. She rises uh
31:54she rises while it is yet night and
31:56provides food for her household and
31:58portions for her maidens. She considers
32:01a field and buys it with the fruit of
32:04her hands. She plants a vineyard. This
32:06does this sound like a woman who is only
32:08pregnant barefoot and in the kitchen,
32:10which by the way is not a slur. It's
32:11very very good. We like we like pregnant
32:13barefooted in the kitchen. Okay, we like
32:15that. Um, does it sound like that? No,
32:17it doesn't. No, it sounds like um it
32:20sounds like a young woman who is very
32:21very capable. Here's the trick. Here's
32:23the key, guys.
32:27Where are her efforts aimed? That's the
32:30key. It's not that women have to be
32:33confined to the home exclusively. It is
32:36the question that we must ask is where
32:38are her efforts aimed? And her efforts,
32:40the Proverbs 31 woman, are all aimed at
32:43her people, at serving and helping her
32:46husband and nurturing and caring for her
32:49children, and never at the expense of
32:52her husband and her children. That's
32:54key. That's key, right? So, all of our
32:57efforts are aimed at them, never at the
32:59expense of them. That's the difference.
33:02So, whenever you are evaluating whether
33:04or not it's okay to work outside the
33:05home or something like that, um is this
33:08going to be at the expense of serving
33:09and helping your husband?
33:11Is it going to be at the are you are you
33:14getting are you going to have to hire a
33:16nanny to raise your children? Not her
33:18job. Your job. Your job to nurture your
33:21children and to disciple them. Okay,
33:23that's husband and wife together. But um
33:24the wife is the primary um in in the
33:28early years she is the nurturer and the
33:30primary disciper in some ways primary
33:32that's a probably the wrong word the
33:34husband is the primary discipler of the
33:35home but she has legitimate authority
33:38delegated authority under his authority
33:41um to raise and nurture the children.
33:43Okay? Nothing that she does should be at
33:45the expense of the children. So
33:47hopefully this is making sense to you
33:48guys. I'm I'm trying to lay out for you
33:50guys the biblical patriarchal
33:52uh relationship between men and women.
33:54And it's it's actually very common sense
33:56and it has been common sense for the
33:58entirety of human history. Let's get
33:59back to Mr. Chandler here. All right.
34:02Basically, I was just demonstrating that
34:04this quote is based and totally right.
34:07Oh, and and the idea that um okay,
34:10flexibility, it's not fitting
34:13uh it is not the fitting role of women
34:16to work alongside men as their
34:17functional equals in the public spheres
34:19of dominion. Absolutely, that is the
34:21case. It just is. All right. Um we're
34:24different. And whenever historically
34:27masculine spaces
34:29get invaded by women, it fundamentally
34:32changes them for the worse. For the
34:34worse. All right. Whenever those spaces,
34:37take for example government, civil
34:39government. Um, whenever those spaces
34:41are ordained by God to be led by men.
34:45WHAT ABOUT DEBORAH? WHAT ABOUT DEBORAH?
34:46OKAY. OKAY. YOU KNOW WHAT? We're just,
34:48while we're here, let's go to Deborah.
34:50All right. Let's go to Let's That would
34:51be Judges. I believe that would be
34:53Judges
34:5549, maybe. Here we are. Judges 49. We
35:00got Barack here. Not Obama. Different
35:03Barack. Let's go here.
35:06Okay.
35:08Barack said to Deborah, right? And and
35:11for those of you who aren't aware of
35:12Deborah, all the Christian feminists,
35:15hold up Deborah as the example for why
35:18women lead, why why women can lead in
35:21different spheres. Okay, let's let's see
35:23what Deborah says. Okay, Barack said to
35:25her, "If you will go with me, I will go.
35:28But if you will not go with me, I will
35:29not go." All right. To lead the the
35:31armies of Israel. And she said, "I will
35:33surely go with you." Okay, that's where
35:35we're at. I will surely go with you.
35:37Nevertheless, the road on which you are
35:39going will not lead to your glory, for
35:41the Lord will sell Cisora into the hands
35:43of a woman. Okay, so what is she doing
35:46here? Deborah herself is saying this
35:48this isn't how it's supposed to be,
35:50right? You're supposed to like God has
35:53reserved a pecu a peculiar glory for you
35:56as a man to lead to lead the armies of
35:58Israel and you're coming to me. Really,
36:01Deborah's leadership as a judge is an
36:04indictment on the men. It's an
36:06indictment on the men to step up and
36:08lead. That's what Deborah represents.
36:11Okay? God does use her. Absolutely. But
36:14even Deborah says, "This isn't supposed
36:15to be my glory. It's supposed to be
36:16yours." All right. And this is not how
36:18God has commanded or this isn't how God
36:21made the world, right? This is wrong.
36:23Basically, is what she's saying. So,
36:25anyway, let's keep going with Matt here.
36:27Uh, did I cover all that spheres? Yeah.
36:30Yeah. We're different. We're different.
36:32And yeah. Yeah. We I think I've said it
36:34enough there. Now, do you see they're
36:36both doing the same thing? Like what's
36:38happening in Christian feminism is an
36:39overemphasis on women at the neglect of
36:42men. Men are to be questioned. They're
36:43not to be trusted. They'll use their
36:44power to oppress and destroy. And then
36:46those on the patriarchy side, I've got
36:48no I'm looking at this. You're looking
36:49at on the patriarchy side of things.
36:50You've got women can't be trusted. Women
36:51can't. Women just need to stay at home
36:52and take care of the babies. I'm not
36:53even he So here we need to get into the
36:57difference between an assertion and an
36:59argument. Notice there has been no
37:01argument made. He read some quotes that
37:05were perfectly reasonable and then
37:07asserted that they are beyond the pale.
37:10No argument. And the reason you can make
37:13that assertion in this climate is
37:14because we're all feminists. is because
37:17feminism is the air that we've breathed
37:20for so long that whenever he said he
37:22just just gives you that assertion,
37:24everyone in the audience just nods
37:26along. You might lose like six of the
37:28patriarchy bros in that church, but
37:31everyone else is like, "Oh, yeah, yeah,
37:33totally, totally. Yeah, that is that's
37:35beyond the pale what Martin Luther said.
37:37Is it? I'm not in any way slandering
37:40stay-at- home moms. What a beautiful
37:41calling you've been given, but that's
37:42not the only calling you've been given."
37:45All right. Now wi with that said, let
37:47let's move into uh well, let's talk
37:48about this. How how does patriarchy view
37:50women in the church? Well, women are not
37:51permitted to be ordained. Voting rights
37:54are often deferred to the husband. Women
37:55can't lead Bible studies, and they're
37:56not allowed to lead worship or speak
37:57publicly during the southern ga Sunday
37:58gathering. In other words, they're
38:00better seen than heard. They're better.
38:01You see, what a Yeah. I mean, a bit of a
38:06straw man. Well, a rhetorical straw man
38:08anyway, right? They're better seen, not
38:10heard. Well, that that is true in the
38:12context of the Sunday gathering. Um,
38:14women are to remain silent in all the
38:16churches. And no, and what Paul says
38:18there in 1 Corinthians 11 or 14, I'd get
38:20them confused. Um, what Paul is saying
38:22there, he says, "This is not just a
38:25practice in Corinth. This is the
38:26practice in all the churches." in all
38:29the churches and I realize the
38:31counterarguments I talk about Philip's
38:32daughters and um prophesying and and
38:35that sort of thing but uh you
38:37hermeneutically speaking so hermeneutics
38:39the principles of interpretation you
38:40always interpret the more ambiguous
38:44passage the harder to understand passage
38:45in light of the clearer passage all
38:47right and it is very very clear what the
38:50apostle Paul is doing and saying here
38:51he's saying that no uh when it comes to
38:53leadership in the church it is reserved
38:56for men not because we hate women, not
38:59because we don't like them. In fact, in
39:01a truly in a biblical patriarchy, within
39:04the biblical patriarchy model, women are
39:05treasured. They are valued. Come to my
39:08church to come to my church. You will
39:10see well-watered women, well-watered
39:12vines bearing fruit, and it is so
39:15beautiful. It's so wonderful. And and by
39:18and large, I mean, I can't see every
39:19single heart, but I have enough
39:20conversations with enough of these women
39:22that all they want to do is honor God
39:25and then honor their and respect their
39:26husbands. I say all that they want to
39:28do. Of course, we all Anyway, that's a
39:30that that's a bit of a hyperbole, but
39:32like generally speaking,
39:35that is the the ethos of my church and
39:38it's wonderful and you see it. There is
39:40there's a the women of my church are so
39:43pleasant. Oh, it's just so great.
39:45They're not loud. They're pleasant.
39:48They're pleasant. Um, and they don't,
39:51from what I can tell, I don't, like I
39:52said, I don't see their hearts, but
39:53there's not, we don't see really any
39:55chafing against the prohibitions that we
39:57see in scripture that reserve peculiar
40:00glories for men and peculiar glories for
40:02women. And that's because whenever you
40:04love whenever you like the psalmist say,
40:06"I delight in the law of God." You
40:09really do. You delight in it. You want
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42:24Better seen than heard. All right. Now,
42:26so, so that's going to take us off the
42:27edges and into the middle here. All
42:29right. Egalitarianism. Now, egalitarians
42:32argue that a fully authoritative Bible,
42:35all right, supports the freedom of women
42:37under Christ without male supervision to
42:39follow their God-given callings and
42:41special gifts of the spirit, including
42:42the leadership ministries of elder and
42:44lead teachers. So, if you're like, well,
42:46that sounds a little bit like Christian
42:47feminism. There are massive differences
42:48between Christian feminists and
42:49egalitarians, here's the major one.
42:51Egalitarians want to argue from the
42:52Bible, whereas Christian feminists would
42:55be skeptical of the Bible. In fact,
42:57would argue culturally and not
42:58biblically. They would argue from pain,
43:00not from truth.
43:03Egalitarians want to take us to the
43:04book. And here's what's great about
43:06anyone wanting to take us to the book.
43:07We're people of the book. Let's get to
43:08the book. Right? We're people of the
43:10book. Yes. And amen. Let's get into that
43:13word. But that's not the only
43:14difference. They they also Okay. Even
43:16there, what did you guys notice? Punch
43:19right gloves for the left. All right.
43:23And because he's going to come out as
43:24complimentarianism or complimentarian.
43:27Uh so listen, this is there's a bit of
43:31nuance here, guys, and we don't need to
43:32spend a lot of time here. We're already
43:3340 minutes in.
43:35So egalitarians,
43:38uh
43:40they I believe that there are a lot of
43:42Christian egalitarians, a lot of
43:44Christians who really love the Lord,
43:45really truly love the Lord, and I'll see
43:47them in heaven, but they are they are
43:49gravely gravely wrong. Like very wrong,
43:53and detrimentally so. um all of the egal
43:57now we've got to get this is important
43:59this is an important distinction guys we
44:01are talking about theological categories
44:03when it comes to theological feminism
44:06theological egalitarianism theological
44:09complimentarianism and theological
44:11patriarchy so these are theological
44:13categories that's important because
44:16egalitarianism and feminism are much
44:19broader than these theological
44:21categories that we're speaking in right
44:23now and in fact, they're at the root of
44:27all our evils in our society.
44:30Egalitarianism,
44:32I would put egalitarianism at just about
44:34the the rock bottom, the bedrock of all
44:37of our societal ills and woes. Um, and
44:40feminism is built on the lie of
44:42egalitarianism. The idea that all people
44:44are equal, that all people are equal.
44:47We're not. We are all equal in one sense
44:50and that is we are equal in dignity and
44:52worth as imagebearers before holy God.
44:54All right? That's that's that's
44:55basically the only way that we're equal
44:57in every single other conceivable way.
45:00Human beings aren't equal. Groups of
45:02people, ethnicities, races, they're not
45:04equal. They're different. They're
45:05different. They have different
45:06strengths, different weaknesses,
45:07different sins that they're prone to.
45:08Every individual is like that. Every
45:10family is like that. Every group, race,
45:12ethnicity, tribe is like that. All
45:14right. Egalitarianism is a lie from the
45:16pit of hell. that any ideology that
45:18roots its anthropology or even its
45:21theology in it is rooted in lies. So
45:24theological egalitarianism is also
45:26rooted in lies. Um that being said,
45:29there are people who fall into that
45:31camp. I do believe we will see them in
45:32heaven. They're just very very wrong and
45:34they are deceived by the spirit of the
45:35age because theological egalitarianism
45:37is a a historical no novelty. I mean
45:40it's right there. It it came about. It
45:42is the result of feminism. It's the
45:45result of feminism. I realize we're
45:46getting a little confused because the
45:48difference in the theological categories
45:49versus kind of the ideological or
45:51philosophical categories, but anyway,
45:54it's bad. Let's just see if uh if I uh
45:58let's just keep going. Let's see if I
45:59want to say anything else here. They
46:00also are not suspicious of male
46:02leadership as long as there are no rooms
46:06that are off limits to women. So, they
46:07would rejoice in male eldership as long
46:10as there could be female eldership. They
46:11would rejoice in male Sunday morning
46:13preaching as long as there could be
46:14female Sunday morning preaching. Right?
46:16They would argue from the Bible and they
46:17would not be suspicious of men and
46:19leadership as long as they are held in
46:20check by women. Right? And then most
46:23egalitarians reject the pro-choice
46:25movement and uphold the biblical
46:26definition of marriage as being between
46:27one man and one woman. Here's their
46:29theological case, right? Um that they're
46:31going to argue that the point of Genesis
46:331 and two is oneness, right? They're
46:35going to read those same verses. In
46:37fact, across this spectrum, everybody's
46:38living in Genesis 1, 2, and 3, right?
46:40Right? So, they're going to look at
46:41Genesis 1 and 2, those same verses we
46:43just read. And God made them in his
46:44image, male and female. He created and
46:46gave them dominion. And they're going to
46:47say, "No, no, the whole point of the
46:49creator order is that the man and woman
46:50were created as one." And then they're
46:53going to fly through to Galatians 3 in
46:56uh the New Testament. They're going to
46:57point out uh the teaching of Paul to the
46:58church at Galatia where he says,
46:59"There's no longer neither male or
47:01female." Right. Yeah. Yeah.
47:03>> Male or female, for you are all one in
47:06Christ Jesus. I don't know if he gets to
47:08this, but that is so teological. That is
47:09not denying the the essential
47:11distinction in our natures between the
47:13sexes. All right? It's we are all one in
47:15Christ Jesus. We are all equally uh
47:19equally damned apart from Christ, but
47:20equally saved in Christ. All right? So,
47:22we all have equal access to salvation by
47:26grace alone through faith alone. They're
47:28going to argue that what we see in
47:29Genesis 3:16, let's go check that out
47:31together.
47:34this concept of male headship or the
47:36authority of man that that is a result
47:38of sin entering the world and was in no
47:40part of God's original design for
47:42humankind.
47:43>> Yeah. Just like the feminists. Yeah.
47:44They I think we already outlined this um
47:47that uh the fall whenever it the one of
47:51the the curses the results of the fall
47:54is that your desire will be for your
47:56husband and he will rule over you. So,
47:58they're going to argue that that
47:59patriarchy, just like the feminists
48:01argue, that patriarchy is the result of
48:03the vault. Um, rather than acknowledging
48:06that it's literally baked into the way,
48:08the fabric of creation, God created Adam
48:11first and then Eve out of Adam as his
48:13helpmate. I mean, you just have to
48:15ignore the text. Um, and not only that,
48:17but I the death nail in my view for
48:20theological egalitarianism and feminism
48:23is this.
48:25Who through whom did sin enter the
48:27world? That's the question.
48:30Adam. We know this. Uh Romans spells
48:34this out explicitly. Adam. Even though
48:36who sinned first? It was Eve. Eve
48:39sinned. But sin did not enter the world
48:41through Eve. It entered through Adam
48:43because he was the federal head. He was
48:45the one responsible. Okay? He was the
48:48And then of course Christ as the second
48:50Adam comes to redeem and restore
48:51creation. Um, but God did not hold Eve
48:54responsible. He held Adam. Why? Because
48:57he had authority.
48:59Because he was to rule his home. Which
49:01is why in the thumbnail you saw um that
49:03men rule. Men rule. That doesn't mean
49:05men rule, women rule, boys rule, girls
49:07rule. That's not what I'm saying here.
49:09The word patriarchy simply means father
49:12rule. Potter. And then so yeah, father
49:14rule. And men are designed to rule in
49:19the household, in the civil sphere, and
49:22in the church. God has designed the
49:24world to work this way. Whenever we push
49:27against that, when we kick against the
49:28goats, we are pressing back. We are
49:31chafing against God himself, against the
49:34way that he made the world. And it will
49:36have deletarious effects for society to
49:39say the least. And we're seeing this all
49:41over the place. Seeing this all over the
49:43place. So see if there's anything else
49:45we want to get to here.
49:46>> So let's look at this is the pain in
49:48childbearing and are the same. They
49:51argue oneness. They argue
49:52>> yeah we should probably get into his
49:54complimentarian case since you know I
49:56put it in the the title. Okay.
49:58>> Head shifter more of a kind of paper,
50:01you know, he's talking about theological
50:02egalitarianism. It's just feminism
50:04light. They're No, that's not fair. The
50:06feminists are are truly evil. the
50:08theological egalitarianisms based their
50:10theology out of a feministic approach to
50:13the world um and to truth and the Bible.
50:16But I I think that many of them really
50:19love the Lord. But the slippery slope is
50:21real. Whenever you ordain women within a
50:24few years, decades at best, you're going
50:26to be ordaining
50:28um the Sodommites
50:30view of things. We go, "Yeah, but
50:31Deborah's in a leader in a season in
50:34which man, it was the worst time in
50:35Israel's history." So surely yeah,
50:37>> oh we got Deborah. We're talking
50:38Deborah. Let's see what he's saying.
50:39>> I think those in on more of a kind of
50:40patriarchal kind of view of things
50:42really argue with biblical testimony. So
50:44in the Old Testament, Esther was
50:46instrumental in protecting God's people.
50:47Deborah served as a judge, the highest
50:49office of that day, sans prophet and
50:51priest. And so often times like uh I
50:54think those in on more of a kind of
50:56patriarchal kind of view of things will
50:57go, "Yeah, Deborah's in a leader in a
51:00season in which man, it was the worst
51:01time in Israel's history. So surely
51:02we're not going to look at that as
51:03normative." Listen, not not no it's not
51:05because it was the worst time in
51:07Israel's history. It's because it's not
51:08normative. We we have like no other
51:10examples. We have sparingly few examples
51:13of women in any kind of leadership and
51:15they are always in extinuating
51:16circumstances which tells us that God
51:18has a normative way of uh yeah of
51:23ordering society, ordering the church,
51:25ordering the family and in certain
51:28extenduating circumstances he utilizes a
51:30woman. As we saw, even Deborah was
51:34essentially saying to Barack, "This
51:36ain't how it's supposed to go."
51:38>> That I think that argument backfires.
51:39Like, if God's going, "This is a train
51:41wreck. Let me put a woman up at that."
51:43That's saying something else, right?
51:45>> No, it's not. That as I said,
51:48uh, Deborah serves as an indictment on
51:52the men. Where were the men specifically
51:54on Barack? But, uh, anyway, we already
51:57made that case.
51:57>> It's just so dumb. That's so blinded.
51:59They're going to make an argument that
52:00actually erodess their position, not
52:01strengthens it. It's not an argument
52:03that needs to be made. Deborah was a
52:04judge. She's actually pretty good at it.
52:07You've got prophets such as Miriam and
52:09Holda. And then in the New Testament, we
52:11see women active in the life of the
52:12church. In 1 Corinthians 11, women serve
52:14in prayer and prophesying in the public
52:16gathering. In Philippians 4, we have
52:17women.
52:18>> I think he's still outlining the
52:19egalitarian position. All right. Now,
52:21let's get into complimentarianism. I,
52:23you know, guys, I realize that this is
52:25an old video and but I I watched a few
52:28videos recently from him. I don't think
52:29his positions have really changed. So, I
52:32could be wrong about that. If someone
52:33wants to correct me, please let me know.
52:34I I will gladly, you know, issue a
52:36correction of some kind.
52:37>> We've got our own issues, right? So, let
52:38me new slide complimentarianism. And
52:41what we're saying in complimentarianism
52:42is we are um distinct from one another
52:44but dependent upon one another, right?
52:46Distinct and dependent. what we're
52:47trying to do uh is we're we're trying to
52:49move to this place where
52:52>> by the way and you know I'll keep saying
52:54this but we believe the same thing
52:57within the patriarchal camp we just uh
53:00believe it better neither is
53:03overemphasized and both mutually respect
53:06and understand right and so here's how
53:07complimentarism will play out in its
53:09practicalities not its belief a lot of
53:11people that say we're we're
53:12complimentarians but act far more uh
53:13like those in the patriarchy camp or
53:15they're going to say they're
53:16complimentarians but actually far more
53:17like egalitarians.
53:18>> Now, this is important. Essentially,
53:21complimentarianism is such a squishy
53:23term that it basically means patriarchy
53:26for some people and basically means
53:28egalitarianism for others. It's like a
53:29nonsense word because of that because
53:31you can just say I'm complimentarian and
53:34you know, basically everything that you
53:36functionally do and practice
53:40falls into the egalitarian camp. But
53:41anyway, we'll get there, right? So,
53:42here's here's kind of what we came up
53:44with. Um there are careful
53:46complimentarians, right? That they're
53:47nervous about this issue, right? So
53:49like, oh my gosh, you know, I know I
53:50know that's just a gray area, so let's
53:52just air on being conservative, right?
53:54Yeah, I can kind of see that in the
53:55text. I kind of see your point, but man,
53:56if we do that this slippery slope, I
53:59won't be long. We'll be baptizing cats
54:00and then what are we going to do once
54:01the church becomes that, right? They're
54:03just nervous,
54:05careful. That is he that is a that is
54:07he's a master of framing. All right. So
54:10the the far right of even the
54:12complimentarian space, they're the
54:14careful. They're being too careful.
54:16That's it. Just being too careful.
54:19But the real like the the good stuff is
54:22over there on the left on convinced.
54:23>> We don't want to be careful
54:24complimentary.
54:25>> Complimentarian.
54:25>> We want to be convinced.
54:27>> Convinced complimentarian.
54:28>> We want to be convinced. We want to
54:29operate in the spaces that God has
54:30created as we celebrate being distinct
54:33and dependent from one another. Right?
54:34Never mind the fact that that this the
54:37space that you're operating in is not
54:40only foreign to the pages of scripture.
54:41Okay. No, that's not fair, right?
54:43They're trying to make scriptural
54:44arguments. I get that. Um but it's
54:47foreign to let's let's say church
54:48history. I mean the modern non-in guy
54:50the modern Baptist I'm sorry Baptist I
54:54know I got a lot of Baptist in the who I
54:55love who I love. um but is almost
55:00completely divorced from church history
55:03and everything over there in egalitarian
55:06world and in the convinced
55:08complimentarianism world which is just
55:10on the far left end of the spectrum of
55:11complimentarianism which lets women lead
55:14and worship and do all of all of that is
55:16basically foreign to church history. All
55:18right. And uh I am increasingly
55:21convinced that just like the reformers
55:23we need to be plugged into tradition to
55:26history. It is not our primary
55:28authority. We are Protestants after all.
55:30But it is an important authority. So see
55:33here, right? I just want to celebrate
55:34this and rejoice in this. God's good
55:36gift to us. And so let's talk about uh
55:38where the village church lands and then
55:39we'll talk about what you can expect.
55:41This is Sam Storms, just a friend of
55:43mine and and just one of the smarter men
55:45I've ever been around. Men and women are
55:47together created in the divine image and
55:49are therefore equal before God as
55:51persons possessing the same moral
55:53dignity and value and have equal access
55:56to God through faith in Christ. Men and
55:58women are together the recipients of
56:00spiritual gifts designed to empower them
56:02for ministry in the local church and
56:03beyond. Therefore, women are to be
56:06encouraged, equipped, empowered to
56:08utilize their gifting in ministry, in
56:10service to the body of Christ, and
56:11through teaching in ways that are
56:13consistent with the word of God. This
56:15principle of male headship should not be
56:17confused with nor give any hint of
56:20doineering control. Rather, it is to be
56:23loving, tender, and nurturing care of a
56:25godly man who is himself under the kind
56:28of gentle authority of Jesus Christ. The
56:30elders and pastors of each local church
56:33have been granted authority under the
56:35headship of Jesus Christ to provide
56:38oversight and to teach preach the word
56:39of God in corporate assembly for the
56:41building up of the body. The office of
56:43elder and pastor is restricted to men.
56:46Now let me make the theological case
56:47here. Okay. Um we would agree with the
56:50egalitarians quickly that God has
56:52created us in his image. Male and female
56:55he creates. We would agree with the
56:56egalitarians because they agree with the
56:58Bible that we have been given dominion
57:00over the creative order and then very
57:01quickly we start to disagree on some
57:03things and I want to walk you through
57:04that. Now, first of all, let me let me
57:05establish this because I think it's so
57:07helpful for us to see this in light of
57:08what it is. At creation, you have the
57:11man made in the image of God. You got
57:13this kind of adilic like old school
57:14Marboral commercial. All right, the
57:16world is wild. The man is there. He may
57:19or may not be on the back of a horse
57:20with a Winchester rifle looking out at
57:22rugged planes. Maybe a dip in, probably
57:25not. uh send out into the world, want to
57:26get his face all eaten up with cancer.
57:28He's looking out at it. And so God looks
57:30at this most masculine of men and says,
57:31"Yeah, this ain't good."
57:35He says, "Yeah, see,
57:38all right. This is why we're losing. I,
57:41you know, I didn't catch this. I don't
57:43know if I watched this part before, but
57:44like
57:46it's uh I used this illustration
57:49yesterday, other day before, but it's
57:51it's all of your jibes and jokes all
57:54kind of go in one direction. And it's
57:58it's making a mockery of the trappings
58:01of masculinity. And notice how you say
58:02the trappings, not the essence of
58:04masculinity. Like the essence of
58:06masculinity is um I like Doug Wilson's
58:10definition really well. the glad
58:11assumption of sacrificial
58:12responsibility. Um men are designed to
58:15lead. God has given them responsibility
58:17and they are to lovingly sacrificially
58:19lead. Um and that and that's important.
58:22But uh so that's the essence. But then
58:25there's the trappings of masculinity
58:26which all right guys break it down for
58:28me. You know I get accused of laring me
58:31laring with my pipe. Are you kidding me?
58:34Me? Okay. Let's talk about that for a
58:36second.
58:37Um, well, I I didn't start smoking a
58:40pipe because uh for this podcast. I've
58:43been smoking a pipe for 15 years, but it
58:44is a it is kind of a bit, right? It is
58:46kind of a gimmick. It is fun. I like
58:49doing it. I've been doing it for a long
58:50time, but it is kind of like that. Uh,
58:53it is a little bit gimmicky. Let's just
58:55say it like that. And it's playing into
58:59a very old school traditional kind of
59:01masculinity. I get that, right? And even
59:03the brown suit with the kind of the
59:05brown tie, the books in in the
59:07background, people, oh, he's laring. And
59:08you know what? That's there is some
59:10truth to that. There is some truth to
59:11that. Um, young men, it's good for for
59:15young men to lar a little bit. It's good
59:17men, it's it's it's good for young men
59:19to uh start taking on some of the
59:22trappings so long as they are pursuing
59:24the essence of masculinity.
59:26If as you start to take on the trappings
59:29while you pursue the essence, it all
59:31kind of starts to come together.
59:33You know, you start wearing cowboy boots
59:35even though you've never worn cowboy
59:36boots and you're like, you start to do
59:37it and you're like, "This is kind of I
59:39don't know. Is this me? I don't know. I
59:40you know, I used to wear skinny jeans,
59:42but you start to then all of a sudden it
59:43starts to wait. Yeah, this this actually
59:45this is right. This is good." Right? You
59:47fake it till you make it in a lot of
59:49places. And it's actually good. It's
59:50actually good to fake it till you make
59:51it a lot of times because we weren't
59:54taught how to be men.
59:57That's just them's the facts. Um we used
1:00:00to have organizations and mechanisms in
1:00:04society that kind of naturally initiated
1:00:07men. Well, different generations had
1:00:08different, you know, uh, catalytic,
1:00:12whether it be institutions or, um,
1:00:15events, whether that be wars or clubs
1:00:18or, um, all male spaces, barber shops,
1:00:22whatever it is that uh, initiated men,
1:00:26boys into into becoming men in society,
1:00:29all those have been gone. all our all
1:00:30those male spaces that would um kind of
1:00:33naturally initiate men into masculinity,
1:00:36they're gone. And all of the examples
1:00:40for being a man have been feminized
1:00:44completely, right? And uh so men are
1:00:48just looking. They're where do I where
1:00:49do I look? Where do I look? And so you
1:00:52know what I started doing? I cut my long
1:00:55hair and I grew out my mustache and I
1:00:59started putting on a suit jacket and
1:01:00tucking in my shirt and wearing a tie
1:01:02more often. And you know what? Now it's
1:01:04it feels right. I've been doing it for a
1:01:06few years now. Wearing a tie on Sunday
1:01:09to church, putting on your church
1:01:10clothes. All right. It's actually
1:01:12valuable uh to to LARP. And I realize
1:01:16this is a little bit of a tangent, but
1:01:17it's important. It's important because
1:01:19young men are looking they're looking
1:01:21for someone and something to look to and
1:01:23the examples they're being given are all
1:01:25just like so like fake and gay, you
1:01:28know, the the evangelical culture, this
1:01:30big EVA culture, this complimentarian
1:01:32culture like has so much it like it feel
1:01:36it I'm not trying to be mean, but like
1:01:39oftentimes just is kind of gay. And I
1:01:42mean I don't mean gay that's lame. I
1:01:44mean like even down to the music that we
1:01:46sing that like Jesus is my boyfriend
1:01:48songs and even the way the songs are
1:01:51sung are designed to uh emotionally
1:01:54manipulate you which is kind of a
1:01:55feminine thing. The emotional
1:01:57manipulation side of things and men are
1:01:59just tired of it. They're tired of that.
1:02:02They're looking for something to do.
1:02:04They're looking for Yeah. I Well, like I
1:02:07said, sometimes you got to fake it till
1:02:08you make it. But yeah, I do this on
1:02:10purpose. Okay. And as I've done it, it's
1:02:14become natural. And it's kind of cool.
1:02:16Kind of cool how that works because I am
1:02:17pursuing the essence of the thing, not
1:02:19just the trappings. If you're just
1:02:20pursuing the trappings, it's you're you
1:02:22are lame. That's dumb, right? You're
1:02:24you're uh if you're not taking
1:02:26responsibility in your life. One of my
1:02:28favorite quotes is uh authority graas.
1:02:33Authority flows to the man who takes
1:02:36responsibility and it flees from the man
1:02:39who sherks his responsibility.
1:02:41Do you make excuses? Are you the kind of
1:02:43man who takes responsibility for his for
1:02:46his people, for his place?
1:02:49So anyway, that's a little diet. Are you
1:02:51watching porn?
1:02:53Huh? I'm I'm talking to you. And if you
1:02:55are, are you confessed it or is it a
1:02:58secret sin in your life? You want to
1:03:00talk about something that will rob you
1:03:01of your masculinity?
1:03:04Porn is gay. All right. Don't. Hey, this
1:03:07is I I don't know why I thought of this,
1:03:08but like if if that's you, get help
1:03:11today. Get accountability, get, you
1:03:13know, get an app, get covenantized, get
1:03:15whatever it takes. Confess to your
1:03:17pastor, your wife, whoever. Stop. Stop
1:03:19it. Okay.
1:03:22Um, patriarchy. We're losing the men.
1:03:25What else? What else? All right. We'll
1:03:27see. We You guys have been here for an
1:03:28hour, maybe if you're still listening.
1:03:30Um, I don't know. I I I I realize
1:03:32there's a lot of young men who listen to
1:03:34my podcast now and I I'm trying to take
1:03:37that responsibility seriously. So, let's
1:03:40just finish here and uh we'll wrap it
1:03:41up. Says, "It's not good for the man to
1:03:45be alone." And then he says, "And this
1:03:46this so causes bristling and I'll never
1:03:48understand why it causes bristling." And
1:03:49some like, "Cuz you're a man?" But no,
1:03:51let me explain. He he says, "It's not
1:03:53good for man to be alone. I want
1:03:55>> Oh, yeah. That's what I was saying.
1:03:56Yeah. He was making fun of the Marbor
1:03:58man, you know, like the the Winchester
1:04:00guy. and he said, "Oh, that's not good."
1:04:02That Wow, that was a long diet tribe.
1:04:04Thanks for sticking with me, guys, for
1:04:05that diet tribe. No, I think it was good
1:04:07stuff, though. Good stuff. Um, again,
1:04:09this is why we're losing the men. He's
1:04:11he's he's caricaturing he's he's taking
1:04:13these caricatures of masculinity that
1:04:15have the trappings of masculinity, which
1:04:16is why I went on this whole diet tribe
1:04:18to begin with, and he's kind of
1:04:19denigrating it. Oh, that's not good.
1:04:22That's not why it wasn't good for man to
1:04:23be alone. It wasn't good for man to be
1:04:25alone. We know why. Because it takes two
1:04:26to tango, to be fruitful and multiply.
1:04:30Okay. Uh to take dominion, he needed
1:04:32help, right? It's not because he was
1:04:35just too masculine or he was, you know,
1:04:37too stereotypically masculine, Clint
1:04:39Eastwood, whatever. Um we need more John
1:04:42Waynees, okay? We need men who like
1:04:46display masculine virtue and gravitas
1:04:49and actually do, you know, who aren't
1:04:51just like overly emotive and you know,
1:04:54there some stoicism is good. All right.
1:04:57And so, you know, men shouldn't cry all
1:05:00the time. I'm not saying it's bad to
1:05:01cry. I I'm I'm kind of a I cry when
1:05:03something is glorious and beautiful. I
1:05:05get those I like uh shed those man tears
1:05:08for the glory of it and the beauty of
1:05:09it. But when it comes to like hardship
1:05:11and sadness, like you you shouldn't cry
1:05:14all the time. You shouldn't be tender.
1:05:17We should be tender. We should be King
1:05:19Lon from uh from Narnia, right? like
1:05:22laughing loudest displaying like I like
1:05:25the that's why you know I can't help it
1:05:27but like whenever something is truly
1:05:28spiritually glorious like it just moves
1:05:31me to tears that's great but you need to
1:05:34be sturdy for your people right if
1:05:36you're crying because you're anxious or
1:05:38you're sad like it's one thing at a
1:05:40funeral your father's funeral whatever
1:05:42like that's there there are called for
1:05:44times of it but what what I'm getting at
1:05:46is um we live in this hyper authenticity
1:05:49age that says you should always just
1:05:51display whatever you're feeling. And
1:05:52that's actually not true. Like men, your
1:05:55people need you to be strong. Need you
1:05:58to be strong and not just cry whenever
1:06:01you know the fancy strikes you. Okay. Um
1:06:04anyway, don't hear what I'm not saying.
1:06:06I'm not saying that real men never cry,
1:06:08but real men cry less than women. That's
1:06:10for sure. That's for sure. So, we're
1:06:13different. We're different.
1:06:16Were suitable for him. And then what did
1:06:19God do for the man? And it's not that he
1:06:20didn't give him a golden retriever, went
1:06:21a label. It wasn't he wanted some kind
1:06:24of new machine that was going to help
1:06:25him fulfill the plans God has for him.
1:06:27It was a woman, a helpmate. And don't
1:06:30bristle onto that word because if you
1:06:31start to think about that is the same
1:06:32Hebrew word used for God helping his
1:06:35people. Right? So here I want to try to
1:06:37shift maybe how you're thinking about
1:06:38being a helpmate to a man.
1:06:40>> All right. I we've gone too long. He's
1:06:43outlining basically like the the squishy
1:06:46complimentarianism that uh
1:06:49that doesn't that does see differences
1:06:52between men and women, right? That he
1:06:54would affirm that men uh are to be
1:06:56leaders in the church. Well, you know, I
1:06:58think we could summarize it like this.
1:07:01He would say that yes, the bi because
1:07:03the Bible clearly teaches men are only
1:07:05to lead in church and men are the only
1:07:08ones who are to lead in the home. But
1:07:11even the way he would outline that would
1:07:13be like the way you lead is just by
1:07:14constantly serving like you be you
1:07:16basically are to be a doormat for your
1:07:18wife which is not true. In fact the
1:07:20whole idea of servant leadership have
1:07:22you guys heard this term servant
1:07:23leadership this was a big thing like
1:07:25five six seven years ago servant
1:07:27leadership and basically what uh what
1:07:30leading what that being the head of your
1:07:32household means is that uh you do the
1:07:35dishes for your wife all the time. Don't
1:07:37get me wrong, it's good to serve your
1:07:39wife and do the dishes for her, you
1:07:41know, but it's interesting though
1:07:43because that implies that there is a
1:07:45domain that's hers like doing the dishes
1:07:46is kind of a feminine task. I think that
1:07:48that's probably true. Keeping the home
1:07:50in general and men, when you want to
1:07:52serve your wife and help her, you can do
1:07:53that. But the way that you serve your
1:07:56family is not by doing the dishes. It's
1:07:57by leading, by being decisive. It's
1:08:00about being a protector, being a
1:08:02provider.
1:08:04You serve them by leading, by ruling
1:08:06well. And and if you're bristling at
1:08:10rulership, if you're a lady and you hear
1:08:12that and you're like, you hear he's like
1:08:14the king of the castle. Yes, he is the
1:08:16king of the castle. And I'll go a step
1:08:18further. Women, you are to obey your
1:08:19husbands. Wives. Now, women are not to
1:08:21obey men. Generally speaking, wives are
1:08:23to obey their husbands. We see this in
1:08:25Ephesians chapter 6, I'm sorry, five.
1:08:29But we also see this very plainly. You
1:08:32might say, "No, it says wives respect
1:08:33your husbands." Well, let's go over here
1:08:35to
1:08:38where are we? 1 Peter 3 4.
1:08:43Just as Sarah obeyed. Here we go. You
1:08:46see that? Obeyed Abraham calling him
1:08:48what? Calling him Whoops.
1:08:52Okay. Calling him Lord. It says Sarah
1:08:55obeyed Abraham calling him Lord. So the
1:08:58whole the whole uh verse is for this is
1:09:01how the holy women who hoped in God used
1:09:04to adorn themselves by submitting to
1:09:06their own husbands. There's that
1:09:07submission piece. That's the word that's
1:09:08often used. But then he takes it a step
1:09:11further, lays it out very plainly as
1:09:13Sarah obeyed Abraham calling him Lord.
1:09:17All right. Wives, you are to obey your
1:09:20husbands as unto the Lord in all things.
1:09:23Right? Unless he's calling you to sin,
1:09:25you are to obey your husband. In fact,
1:09:29my wife and I years ago, we started
1:09:31praying that at night. And I'll tell
1:09:32you, it was hard. It was kind of awkward
1:09:34at first to say, and I would pray during
1:09:36our family worship. I would say, "Lord,
1:09:39please give me grace to love and serve
1:09:42my wife and to love her like Christ
1:09:44loved the church, like you love us, and
1:09:46give her grace to respect me and to obey
1:09:49me as unto you." We would pray that. And
1:09:52when I first started doing that, it felt
1:09:54uncomfortable. Why? Because of the
1:09:55latent feminism. deep in our bones. This
1:09:58is what the Bible teaches. Okay,
1:10:01wives, are you obeying your husbands? Do
1:10:03you respect them? You're called to obey
1:10:05and respect them even if they're not
1:10:07respectable. Did you know that you're
1:10:08not called to sin? If they ask you to
1:10:10sin, you are to serve as unto the Lord.
1:10:12God is the ultimate authority who you
1:10:14serve.
1:10:15But outside of sinning, do you resp
1:10:18honor your husband? Do you respect him?
1:10:19Do you obey him? Do you seek to do that?
1:10:23You are called to do that even if he's
1:10:24not worthy of it. In fact, in 1
1:10:26Corinthians, it says that you will win
1:10:28your husband over. You will point him to
1:10:30Christ by
1:10:32embodying this distinctly feminine glory
1:10:34of respecting and obeying your husbands.
1:10:39Now, obviously, men become the kind of
1:10:41man worthy of obedience and respect.
1:10:45Become the kind of man who waters his
1:10:49garden daily.
1:10:52Right? that that when people see your
1:10:54wife, they see a well-watered vine
1:10:56that's just bearing beautiful, beautiful
1:10:58fruit, you're investing, you're loving,
1:11:01you're sacrificing for, and they and
1:11:03they and they feel that, right? You're
1:11:05going to the word day uh daily. You are
1:11:08washing your family, your wife, and your
1:11:09children in the word. You're praying for
1:11:10them constantly.
1:11:13This is what it this is this is what
1:11:14it's all about. This is what biblical
1:11:16patriarchy is. It is husbands and wives
1:11:19taking dominion together in their little
1:11:20corner of the kingdom. Husbands ruling
1:11:23their households well. Wives helping
1:11:25their husbands take dominion, being
1:11:27fruitful and multiplying, making little
1:11:29disciples and continuing to make
1:11:31disciples of our nation, discipling our
1:11:33that, you know, this is how we win the
1:11:35world. This is how we win the world.
1:11:39All right, thanks for sticking it out,
1:11:41guys. Um, if you're still here, you're
1:11:44the best. You guys are awesome. I think
1:11:45I've been saying that like every
1:11:46episode, but I mean it. I love you guys.
1:11:49You guys are the best. Um, one, you can
1:11:53donate to my nonprofit. That would mean
1:11:54a ton to me if you want to keep this
1:11:56thing going. Help me keep it going. Um,
1:11:59I got demonetized on YouTube. I've
1:12:01mentioned that a few times. That was a
1:12:02big blow. But we've had some people step
1:12:03in fill step in and fill some of the
1:12:05gaps. God save America is the name of my
1:12:07501c3.
1:12:08Um, and our mission is to Yeah. is to
1:12:12disciple young men, specifically young
1:12:15men, and train them up to apply their
1:12:18faith in politics and in the culture
1:12:19war. And and uh patriarchy is one of the
1:12:23most important elements of the culture
1:12:25war just is it is essential to get this
1:12:28right. Biblical patriarchy is what will
1:12:30win our country back. It's one of the
1:12:32core tenants, I would say, of Christian
1:12:34nationalism
1:12:36and uh a vision for uh making America
1:12:39Christian again. We've got to get the
1:12:41family right. We've got to get father
1:12:43rule. Patriarchy. We got to get father
1:12:44rule right.
1:12:47Okay. Well, I think I've upset all the
1:12:49right people and and and gave some
1:12:52helpful teaching to all the right
1:12:53people. Yeah. I think we'll end it
1:12:55there. Join the club. We are doing uh
1:12:58Steven Wolf's book along with Zachary
1:13:00Garris
1:13:02uh and two other authors who wrote
1:13:04Reformed Christian Politics. We're doing
1:13:06that for book club. Having lots of fun
1:13:07with that. We talk theology politics. We
1:13:09talk about all the stuff backstage. We
1:13:10also have a little fitness club back
1:13:12there that's I'm just now getting back
1:13:14into. I don't know if you can tell, but
1:13:16uh you know, want to be not just strong
1:13:18up here or here. Trying to be strong
1:13:21here for the generations for my for my
1:13:24progeny. Anyway, love you guys. And
1:13:27that's that. Get out there and build,
1:13:30defend, and expand the kingdom of our
1:13:31Lord Jesus Christ.

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