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0:11Hello everyone. Welcome to ZPR, Zano
0:14[music] Project Rethink, and I'm Frank
0:16Zano.
0:17Um I'm in the studio with a very, very
0:19interesting personality. Someone
0:23people have asked me to bring into the
0:25studio since I made that reaction to his
0:29video, The Dispossession of White
0:31America. Now, I think some of you know
0:33who I'm talking about. Uh we've had a
0:35long conversation over the phone email
0:37before he arrived in Connecticut
0:39yesterday.
0:40Uh it's really a pleasure to have a
0:42pleasure to have him here with me.
0:44And uh
0:46the name is Jared Taylor.
0:48When you go on the internet
0:51and you don't go to his page or read his
0:53book,
0:54then of course, Jared Taylor is known as
0:57a power white supremacist,
1:00a nationalist,
1:02a separatist,
1:04a racist.
1:06Well, he's in the studio to say which of
1:08this one really befits him.
1:11Jared, welcome to ZPR.
1:14>> Well, thank you so much for inviting me.
1:15It's a pleasure to be here.
1:17>> Correct. I told one of my friends you
1:18were coming and said, "You serious?"
1:21Because of course, he read about you on
1:23the internet.
1:25Um
1:27and they have names depending on what
1:30what they heard about you or how they
1:32came across you. I don't know any of
1:34those yet.
1:35And so today, uh the two types of
1:37conversations we have on ZPR is either
1:39one,
1:40people come on to debate a subject,
1:42something I said. And so that will
1:44become like a debate. Today is not a
1:45debate. Today, I'm
1:48um making the public hear from, as they
1:51say, the horse's own mouth.
1:53>> [laughter]
1:54>> Now, I've taken a look at read of your
1:55books. I think um when I started talking
1:58to you, I've read three already.
1:59>> Well, good
2:00>> I have with me The White Identity.
2:02>> Yes.
2:03>> Racial Consciousness in the 21st Century
2:05by Jared Taylor.
2:07You also are the author of Paved with
2:09Good Intentions. That I think is a very,
2:11very popular book.
2:13>> Well, it's my first book about race. Oh,
2:15I've written three. Yes. I've written
2:17three books about race.
2:19The one after this one is called If We
2:21Do Nothing.
2:22>> That's correct.
2:22>> But good for you for actually having
2:24found out what I say rather than reading
2:27what my enemies say about what I say.
2:30>> Yeah.
2:30>> That puts you apart right there from all
2:33the rest.
2:34>> Well, let me tell you this. Let me tell
2:35you something. When I arrived in this
2:37country, of course, I came here to
2:39college, you know, journalism, and my
2:41academic advisor would pull me aside
2:43because he knew I came from Africa and I
2:46was a big mouth on campus. So, he would
2:48pull me aside. I'm very, very grateful.
2:50He I mean, he taught me a lot and he
2:51would say, "Frank, there is uh
2:54uh freedom of speech in America, but
2:56there are two types of freedom of
2:57speech. The other one, nobody want to
3:00get near to it." And I would say, "What
3:02is it?" And he said, "The first one is
3:04very, very common. You can take a
3:05placard and stand in the street corner
3:07any day of the week and scream
3:09profanities into the air with the
3:11president's name all you want. That one
3:13is for the lazy people and it's easy.
3:15The other freedom of speech, the
3:17difficult one, is you sitting across
3:19somebody
3:21whom you disagree with
3:23or has polar opposite views
3:25on anything. Can do with race, color,
3:28anything. And yet be able to make room
3:30for him to share his views no matter how
3:32unpleasant and uncomfortable and yet
3:34respect it
3:36and for him to allow you. Now, that, he
3:38said to me,
3:39"my country, my people are running away
3:41from that one."
3:43>> He's absolutely right about that.
3:45Americans love to brag about their First
3:48Amendment and how they believe in
3:49freedom of speech. Very, very few
3:53Americans really believe in complete
3:55freedom of speech, especially and
3:57particularly for those with whom they
3:59disagree.
4:00There is terrible hypocrisy about this.
4:03And someone like me.
4:05And you mentioned what people call me.
4:08If you look me up on the internet, that
4:10I believe the very first sentence of my
4:12Wikipedia biography says, "Jared Taylor
4:15is a white supremacist."
4:17>> Yes.
4:17>> That's it.
4:19Full stop. Yeah. What does that word
4:21even mean?
4:22Now,
4:23if someone believes that I am a white
4:26supremacist, you will find that the vast
4:29majority of Americans, certainly people
4:31on college campuses, would say, "Someone
4:33who is a white supremacist should not be
4:35allowed to speak on a college campus or
4:38even in public." And I can't tell you
4:41how many platforms I've been removed
4:44from because people don't like what I
4:46say.
4:47YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram.
4:52I have an organization. We have been
4:54prevented from using all of the usual
4:58email programs like Constant Contact or
5:01all of that stuff. In fact, my
5:03organization has even been kicked out of
5:05half a dozen banks because people don't
5:08like what I say. The idea that we really
5:11respect dissidents, that you have the
5:13right to say whatever you like, and I
5:15will defend your right to the death to
5:17say so. This is all hypocritical
5:20baloney.
5:21But anyway, uh
5:22>> So, Jared, what is it you say
5:25>> Ah, good question. Well,
5:26>> that have people remove you from banks
5:29and all these platforms. So,
5:31I read the first part. Um
5:34and it was interesting. I'll come to
5:35that later. But what is it
5:38that you say that have you removed from
5:40banks and all this?
5:41>> Well, of course, you'd have to ask them
5:43because I can't read their minds. But
5:46rather than calling myself a white
5:49supremacist, which to me is a historical
5:51term, there were people in the past who
5:54were white supremacists. I have never
5:56met someone that I would call a white
5:58supremacist. That word should be
6:00retired. But, it's the one that people
6:03apply to white people with whom they
6:04disagree because it's the one that
6:06implies the greatest moral inferiority.
6:10If someone can be called a white
6:12supremacist, then you don't have to pay
6:13attention to anything he says because
6:16obviously he's full of hatred and he's
6:18probably unhinged. Probably belongs in a
6:20mental institution. So,
6:23the way I describe what I talk about and
6:26stand for
6:27are two things. One is called race
6:30realism. It's the idea that race is not
6:34some kind of sociological optical
6:36illusion, which was an idea that was
6:39circulated with great vigor at one time.
6:42We were supposed to think that it's
6:44really only in our minds. If you look at
6:46a a pygmy and a Dane and you think that
6:49they're different, you're really wrong.
6:51There's nothing biological about it. And
6:54I remember when this madness was at its
6:56height, people would talk about a person
6:58who is racialized as black. In other
7:02words, you're not really black. You are
7:04racialized as black by people whose
7:07minds have been infected by this cuckoo
7:09idea about race. In any case, my point
7:12is race is a genuine biological
7:15phenomenon. And furthermore, people of
7:17different races consistently build
7:20societies that reflect their
7:21differences. That races are not
7:24interchangeable. If you swapped out the
7:26population of say Japan and replaced it
7:30with nothing but Turks, say, or Somalis
7:33or Indonesians, you would not have
7:36Japan.
7:37Japanese society and culture would not
7:40be continued in a meaningful way. So,
7:43the races are different and also in a
7:46multiracial society, different races
7:49have different interests. They are
7:50competing interests. And the final
7:52aspect of race realism leads to what I
7:56call white advocacy.
7:58And that is the position that white
8:00people, just like people of all other
8:02races, have legitimate interests as a
8:05group.
8:06And whites are the only group, certainly
8:09in the United States and you could even
8:11say around the world, who are denied the
8:15kinds of expression of interest that are
8:18taken for granted by every other racial
8:21group.
8:21>> From what you said, the the executive
8:23summary of the American Renaissance, an
8:25organization you put together
8:27>> That's correct.
8:27>> 35 years ago, 1990.
8:30>> Uh 36 years ago now.
8:32>> 36 years ago, 1990, you put together the
8:34American Renaissance and from what I
8:36read at the introduction you gave me,
8:38the American Renaissance is what you
8:39just mentioned while you were explaining
8:42that it's an advocacy group.
8:43>> Yes, it's an advocacy group.
8:45>> are an advocate for white
8:47>> Yeah.
8:48>> interest.
8:48>> Yes. Yes.
8:49>> Now, advocating for white interest, how
8:52is it different from saying I'm a white
8:53nationalist?
8:55Not that the term white nationalist has
8:57any bad connotation, but for those of
8:59people who have called you a white
9:00nationalist.
9:01>> Presumably, a white nationalist is
9:04someone who wants to live in a nation
9:06that is white or overwhelmingly white or
9:09exclusively white.
9:11That is one possible legitimate interest
9:14of white people, but that is a specific
9:16one.
9:17Whites can have interests of their own,
9:20whether it is to build a white society
9:23or to have their own interests protected
9:26in a multiracial society. White
9:29nationalism is an expression of white
9:32interest that is more specific than
9:34white advocacy.
9:35>> I see.
9:36>> Now, I would like to distinguish both of
9:39them from white supremacy.
9:42If that term has any meaning at all,
9:45it's the idea that whites should be
9:46ruling over people of different races.
9:50And back in the era of slavery or of the
9:53European imperial empires, there was
9:57very much an idea that whites should be
9:59in a position to overlook and to run the
10:03affairs of people of different races.
10:06That was a legitimate expression of
10:08white supremacy.
10:09The people who think as I do,
10:12I I don't know a single one who thinks,
10:14"Well, yes, yes, white people should
10:16just be cracking the whip over people of
10:18other races." No one thinks that way.
10:20If anything, people who think the way I
10:23do think that white people should have
10:25the right to be left alone, to build
10:27their own communities, their own
10:29societies,
10:30maintain their majorities in their
10:33historical homelands, and
10:36build a community or a society in which
10:40their destiny remains in their own hands
10:43rather than being outnumbered by
10:45newcomers or being told that what
10:47they're doing is wrong. Just leave us
10:48alone.
10:49>> between
10:50the American Renaissance and of course
10:53the Orania project. He came all the way
10:56from South Africa.
10:57Yes. So, the difference between the
10:59American Renaissance and the Orania is
11:01that the Orania segregated itself away
11:04from the main culture to find a land for
11:07themselves to protect their heritage,
11:08language, religion, and culture.
11:10>> Yes.
11:10>> The American Renaissance, which is you,
11:13your argument and your work is that yes,
11:16America is a white country and that you
11:18are advocating for people to pay
11:20attention to the culture, heritage, and
11:23religion of the people who are the
11:26predominant ones so we can preserve it.
11:28Is that the advocacy?
11:30>> The goal is the same. In Orania,
11:33Afrikaners want a society that reflects
11:37them in every possible way. Language,
11:40religion, and biologically. People who
11:43are biologically Afrikaner. And I say,
11:46God bless them.
11:48In the United States, given the number
11:51of non-whites in this country, I think
11:53it would be impossible to try to rebuild
11:57an overwhelmingly or all-white United
11:59States of America. That possibility has
12:02disappeared.
12:04In the United States, I think the only
12:06ultimate solution that would preserve
12:09Western heritage and the culture of
12:11Europeans in North America would be some
12:13kind of enclave or balkanization. But,
12:16the idea is the same, that all people
12:19and not just non-whites have the right
12:23to a homeland that is unquestionably
12:26theirs.
12:27Now, if we take into consideration the
12:30fact that the United States is already
12:32what
12:33uh oh, 55%
12:36uh or
12:37only 55% white at this point uh whites
12:40were supposed to become a minority in
12:422045. The idea of saying, "Well, okay,
12:44we're going to take it all back." That's
12:46not practical. And in the case of the
12:47American Indians and in the case of
12:49blacks who were brought here against
12:50their will, that's really not ethical.
12:52What are we supposed to say to people
12:54who black people who've been here for
12:55300 years, "Okay, you got to bugger off.
12:58Uh now you go to Benin, you go to
13:00Cameroon." No. I mean, look, that's just
13:03not proper. And the American people
13:04>> of the current landscape of the United
13:07States really bothers you or which
13:09ignited the formation of the American
13:11Renaissance?
13:12>> Okay.
13:13I would say, and this is an idea that
13:16may shock you and it may shock some of
13:18your viewers. But, in my view, white
13:20people are committing suicide.
13:24They're committing suicide in two ways.
13:26One is psychological,
13:28and then the other is actual physical
13:31uh
13:32dis- disappearance, if you will.
13:35And for example, one of the obvious
13:38expressions of psychological suicide
13:42in the United States and in fact all
13:44around the white world is the idea of
13:46diversity is our strength.
13:48Diversity, well,
13:50people sometimes talk about diversity as
13:53if it included language and religion and
13:55sexual orientation, but the real aspect
13:59of diversity that people whoop about the
14:01loudest is racial diversity.
14:04And the idea is if anything is
14:06overwhelmingly white, that's no good.
14:09You've got to have diversity to the
14:12point that there are people that keep
14:14score as to which professional sports
14:17are sufficiently diverse. Well, which
14:20sports are adequately diverse? Well, the
14:23National Basketball Association, which
14:25is what? The 75% black? That is
14:28adequately diverse. Even if it were 100%
14:30black, that would be diverse.
14:33The idea is diversity always comes at
14:36the expense of whites. Now,
14:39what group of people
14:41could possibly be tricked into thinking
14:44diversity, that is to say, the reduction
14:47of their numbers, their influence, their
14:51power over their own destiny was a
14:52wonderful strength?
14:54You really expect white people, and most
14:57of them will obediently do so, to say,
14:59"Diversity's wonderful. That means I am
15:02looking forward to becoming a minority
15:04and perhaps disappearing."
15:06>> Okay, so the yeah.
15:07>> This is cuckoo.
15:08>> Okay, the argument that people bring
15:10>> Yes.
15:11>> to what you have just said, why when it
15:13is
15:14let's say overwhelmingly white is when
15:16they talk about diversity,
15:17>> Mhm.
15:17>> it's not just because of the skin color
15:19being white. They're saying the wealth,
15:21the opportunities,
15:23and so on and so forth
15:25is kind of centralized only among white
15:28people.
15:28>> What if there were only white people
15:30here?
15:31Let's let's
15:32take the example of let's say take
15:34China.
15:36Say you went to China. You poke around
15:38for a few weeks and you'd look around
15:40and then you come back to your Chinese
15:41hosts and you say you know, not a bad
15:44country you have here, but you know, you
15:45know what the biggest problem? Too damn
15:47many Chinese. You need diversity.
15:51>> But that is different from saying that
15:52the wealth, the opportunities, and
15:54amenities are concentrated only in white
15:57and white areas. That's why we need
15:59diversity.
15:59>> Wait wait wait.
16:00>> Mhm.
16:00>> China has plenty of wealth.
16:03>> Yes.
16:03>> And it has poverty, too. But China is
16:06for the Chinese and no one disputes that
16:09the wealth that's been built up in China
16:11is for Chinese people. But if you said
16:14to them it's diversity, diversity
16:16strengthens the Americans. Look at them.
16:18Look how powerful they are. And if you
16:20want to be like the Americans, of course
16:21they don't, but the thinking would be
16:24oh, you need to import, you know, a
16:25couple million Pakistanis, you know,
16:27Bulgarians would be nice. Uh also, I
16:30don't know, Indonesians, uh people who
16:33are utterly unlike you. Then you'll be a
16:35real country.
16:36They would look at you and they would
16:38call in the men in the white coats and
16:40they would put you in a rubber room.
16:42They would say you're insane.
16:44However,
16:46every white country,
16:48if I'm a Frenchman and I say France used
16:51to be overwhelmingly French and white, I
16:54want it to stay that way, whoa whoa
16:55whoa,
16:56that's evil. But if the Turks say we are
16:59Turks, we like being Turks, we want to
17:02remain Turkish forever,
17:04that's perfectly okay. This is a
17:06suicidal double standard.
17:08>> we go to something you wrote in the
17:09introduction of this book, let's go to
17:11what you just said.
17:12>> Okay.
17:12>> Who are the culprits?
17:14>> Who are the Here the culprits?
17:16>> No, be specific. Who are the culprits
17:18who are saying that if a place is
17:19overwhelmingly white and
17:21>> Yes.
17:21>> then it's not America enough, let's
17:23diversify the place. Who are these
17:25culprits who are committing their own
17:27suicide?
17:29>> It is white people. That's why I call it
17:30suicide and not murder.
17:33There are plenty of liberal white people
17:35who go along with this foolishness.
17:37>> Okay, now you're being specific.
17:39>> Excuse me?
17:39>> Of course you're being specific now.
17:41It's the liberal whites.
17:42>> Yes.
17:42>> Okay, go ahead.
17:43>> Yes.
17:43>> Yes.
17:44>> Yes. Oh, take someone like uh Hillary
17:46Clinton.
17:48Uh for years she and Bill Clinton, they
17:51would whoop about how wonderful
17:52diversity is. I remember Hillary Clinton
17:56went back to her old high school. And
17:59there was this group of students who
18:00came to listen to the first lady of the
18:02United States and she says, "I look
18:04around and I see all this wonderful
18:07diversity. It wasn't this way when I was
18:09a student here and this is so great.
18:11This is the future." She never
18:13explicitly said, "And white people
18:15become minority and that's fine, too."
18:18But that's what's implied. Well, this
18:20great lover of diversity, where she and
18:23Bill left the White House, where did
18:25they go live? They bought a house in
18:27Chappaqua, New York. It's about as white
18:30as place as you can find this side of
18:32Iceland. Last I checked, there were
18:34maybe three black people living in
18:36Chappaqua, New York. Maybe there are
18:38none now. But this is the kind of utter
18:41and total hypocrisy.
18:42>> to Chappaqua for security reasons? Of
18:44course, yeah. The first former president
18:46and first lady. Well, But he bought his
18:48office in Bronx.
18:49>> Look, look. They could have Yes, yes.
18:51He's he's never there. The idea was if
18:54if they wanted to live in Bronx, they
18:57have got the Secret Service. They could
18:59be secure there. They can be secure
19:00anywhere. They can be helicoptered in
19:03and out. They can have gunships around
19:05them if need be. No, they want to be
19:07around white people. And Hillary
19:09Clinton, if she wants to have a backyard
19:11barbecue or she wants to invite the
19:14neighbors in for a drink, is she looking
19:16for Guatemalans? Is she looking for
19:19people from Africa? No, it's all going
19:21to be white people. This is such
19:23pathetic baloney. In fact
19:25>> So
19:25>> if you if you ask
19:26>> Jared, what
19:27>> Yes.
19:27>> Let's be honest and let's be fair.
19:29>> I'm always honest.
19:30>> That's correct.
19:31>> You be honest, too.
19:32Yes.
19:33>> My question to you.
19:34>> Yes.
19:35>> And this is important.
19:37>> Okay.
19:37>> Why are the white liberals pursuing this
19:40path?
19:41>> You know
19:43I don't have a good answer for you.
19:45I used to be
19:46a pretty good friend of a guy named John
19:48Brock. He was a black separatist.
19:51He didn't like white people. But he
19:53liked me because I was honest and I
19:57agreed with his ideas about voluntary
19:59separation.
20:00>> black guy. Yes, black guy.
20:01>> Mhm.
20:02>> And I remember once so you know, we used
20:04to talk on the phone.
20:05And he says to me, "Jared, you know, I
20:07think it's a great thing, but why are
20:10white people committing suicide?"
20:13He could see it. He could see it in the
20:15way white people talk about their own
20:18unearned privilege and how their
20:20unconscious racism and how they're
20:22importing non-whites in huge numbers
20:24that would reduce them to a minority. He
20:27could see white people committing
20:28suicide.
20:29And I don't have a good answer for him.
20:31I have a number of theories
20:34>> Wouldn't it probably take a half an hour
20:35to get
20:35>> that would have been very helpful
20:37because that is what I always concern
20:40myself with. Why would people do
20:43something as you said that is so
20:45detrimental both psychologically and
20:47physically to themselves? That I think
20:49is important.
20:50>> I agree with you.
20:51>> do that because you didn't take too much
20:53interest to understand your opponents?
20:55That may be one of your faults.
20:56>> Well, the fact is I was once a liberal.
21:00I shared many of these liberal views.
21:03And I can tell you
21:05one of the reasons why it is so
21:07difficult to cease being a liberal in
21:10the United States.
21:11And it is because liberals are convinced
21:14that not only are they right and people
21:17like me are wrong, they are morally
21:20superior.
21:21>> Okay.
21:22>> They get a great thrill about thinking,
21:24"Oh, this Jared Taylor guy, not only is
21:27he factually wrong, whereas I'm
21:29factually 100% correct, but he is a bad
21:33person and I'm a good person." People
21:36love this feeling of moral superiority.
21:40And uh I read a very interesting book
21:42some years ago called pathological
21:44altruism.
21:45>> Yeah.
21:46>> And it talked about the feelings that
21:49people get psychologically from
21:51righteous indignation,
21:53from thinking to themselves, "Ooh, this
21:56person is so bad and I'm so much
21:59better."
22:00This stimulates a part of the brain
22:02called the basal ganglia.
22:04Well, the basal ganglia are precisely
22:07the parts of the brain that are
22:08stimulated by addictive drugs.
22:12And people, I believe, can get addicted
22:15to this feeling of moral superiority, of
22:18righteous indignation. And liberals love
22:21that feeling.
22:22>> What What is it about the white liberals
22:24that attracts majority of the white
22:26thinking the black thinking? What is it
22:28about the white liberals that
22:30>> Well, right now, what is attractive
22:32about it is that it is the majority
22:34view.
22:35And if you want to get ahead in the
22:36United States, you don't buck the
22:38majority. You don't say the things that
22:40I do. You say the things that Hillary
22:43Clinton says, and that is how you get
22:45ahead. In any society, most people are
22:48conformist. Most people want to get
22:50ahead. Most people want to be liked. We
22:53are herd animals. We like to be part of
22:56the flock, sort of rubbing up against
22:58all the other members of the flock. If
23:00we're all out by ourselves, that's
23:02lonely for human beings.
23:03>> There's something people don't know
23:04about you and I was uh glad that I read
23:07this and I think you and I have uh
23:09shared some in that. You said on March
23:1213, 1961,
23:14the black boxer Floyd Patterson knocked
23:16out the Swedish challenger
23:18Ingemar Johansson.
23:20>> Ingemar Ingemar Johansson.
23:22>> Johansson, yeah. That's Johansson.
23:23>> Ingemar Johansson.
23:24>> Yeah, Ingemar Johansson to retain the
23:26world heavyweight title. I was 9 years
23:28old and knew nothing about boxing.
23:31But my eyes was caught by a newspaper
23:33picture
23:35of the victorious Patterson standing
23:37over Johansson out cold on the canvas.
23:41I read the article and I asked my father
23:44At the time, your father your parents
23:46were missionaries in Japan.
23:47>> And I was living in Japan.
23:49>> Where you were born and raised.
23:51>> I'd probably never met a black man at
23:53that time.
23:53>> That's correct because in 1960, that
23:55would be 61 there about, right?
23:56>> Yes.
23:57>> That's correct. I went there in the 1990
23:59and it takes me 6 months for me to meet
24:01a black person. You said
24:04I read the article and asked my father
24:06if this meant no one on earth could beat
24:09Patterson.
24:10>> No one
24:10>> He said that was right. Patterson was
24:14the best boxer in the world. I remember
24:16thinking to myself at 9 years old that
24:19this just wasn't right. Surely there
24:21must be one of our guys,
24:24a white guy, who could beat him.
24:26>> Right. Right. Now,
24:29I think that was a spontaneous, natural
24:33reaction. Really of any human being.
24:37Ingemar Johansson wasn't American. He
24:39was a Swede. I'm not Swedish.
24:42>> But you're white.
24:42>> But I'm white. Floyd Patterson
24:45was a black man.
24:46>> An American.
24:47>> An American. Same passport, same
24:49nationality as myself. But I wanted the
24:52white guy to win. Now,
24:54I'll tell you something interesting
24:55about that.
24:56I never even thought about that thought
25:00that I had until I was probably 35 or 37
25:05years old.
25:06That was a very unfashionable, illiberal
25:09thought to have had. And I went through
25:12a typical liberal stage. I went to
25:15college when I was 16 years old. You
25:18could be liberal just by breathing the
25:19air. I think I did not permit myself to
25:22remember that reaction.
25:24>> How old did you remain in Japan before
25:26you left?
25:27>> I was 16.
25:28>> 16?
25:28>> lived there till I was 16.
25:30>> become a citizen?
25:31>> No, no. They don't want They don't want
25:32people like me.
25:33>> Now, this story when I read it
25:35>> Yes.
25:36>> I haven't even thought about it. But
25:38when I read it, I remember coming into
25:40this country in 1994. Do you remember
25:42what was hoopla? Glued to the TV at the
25:45time. What is Simpson?
25:46>> Oh.
25:48>> So, I was in college. So, O.J. Simpson
25:50and me being in the media class, that
25:52story became one of us. How would you
25:53cover it? Which angle? That kind of
25:55thing. We were in the cafeteria the day
25:58>> Yes.
25:58>> the
26:00the verdict was going to be announced.
26:03And I look around the room and all the
26:06white guys were in one corner of the
26:07cafeteria. And all the white people
26:09except we the Africans, we had no hand
26:11in who to be.
26:13And as soon as he popped up on
26:14television, the cafeteria the entire
26:16campus
26:18and the black students threw a party
26:20that night.
26:21>> Mhm.
26:22>> And they celebrated.
26:23>> You talking about the innocent the
26:24innocent verdict.
26:25>> Yes. The innocent verdict.
26:27>> Yes. No, he didn't kill
26:29>> two students tears came and these are
26:31black students and they don't know O.J.
26:32Simpson from anything. So, that is the
26:35same thing you felt that day. I am only
26:37protecting and and and rooting for my
26:40kind.
26:41>> Right. Right.
26:42>> The hooligans in UK, the soccer
26:44hooligans they call them, it would be an
26:47it would be unfathomable to see a white
26:51English soccer hooligan
26:53rooting for Messi's Italian team
26:56over Chester uh what are the teams in
26:58the UK?
26:59>> Oh, the Rovers or Arsenal or
27:03>> so at 9 years old you just had a natural
27:05reaction to say I wish the guy who
27:07looked like me won.
27:08>> Exactly. Exactly.
27:09>> Do you have the same feeling today?
27:11Would you have the same thing? Mike
27:12Tyson is fighting what is the name of
27:14that? Neely, the white boy.
27:15>> Uh-huh.
27:16>> Whom will you root for?
27:17>> I'd vote for the white guy. White guy.
27:19>> Today
27:20>> I want the white guy to win. I I don't
27:21make any apologies for it.
27:22>> That's great.
27:23>> And uh he well, he's part of my larger
27:26genetic family. Now, if I happen to know
27:29the black guy, he's a friend of mine and
27:32then I might want him to win. But in
27:35pure racial abstract terms, I want the
27:38white guy to win and I make no apologies
27:41for that. But it is only white people
27:43who are criticized if they say such a
27:45thing. Now,
27:46back when I was 9 years old,
27:49if the victor if the guy who had beaten
27:51Ingemar Johansson had been a Turk or had
27:56been I don't know uh
28:01an Indonesian,
28:02I'm sure I would have felt the same way.
28:04It wasn't because he was black. It was
28:07because he wasn't one of our guys. Now,
28:10I had never ever been taught by my
28:12parents about race being a significant
28:15barrier. My parents were Christian
28:17missionaries. They thought all people
28:18are children of God. We are equal in
28:21God's sight and we should treat people
28:23all entirely as God's children.
28:26>> So, you were raised by Christian
28:27>> Yes.
28:27>> ministers up until the age of 16 in
28:29Japan.
28:30>> In Japan.
28:30>> That's why you have quite quite a fluent
28:32Japanese
28:32>> That's right. But my point is most
28:35people if they read that story just the
28:36way you did, they would say to
28:38themselves, "Oh, well, his white parents
28:40had instilled this anti-black
28:42prejudice." Not at all. This was
28:45something that bubbled up from inside of
28:48me without any kind of fostering
28:51environmentally. Remember, I was living
28:54among Japanese people all the time. I
28:56had no I had a sense of being white on
28:59account of that, but it was not a
29:01negative sense or any kind of hostile
29:04sense. I was good friends with my
29:05Japanese classmates. And this was just a
29:09natural reaction and I would bet you
29:12that probably 99% of white people in the
29:16circumstances similar to mine, no matter
29:20what their genetic makeup were, would
29:21have had a similar reaction. Oh, he's
29:24our guy. And that guy, he's not one of
29:27our guys and he knocked him flat. That's
29:29not right.
29:30And these days, of course, most black
29:33people in the United States, they're
29:34utterly unabashed about Well, of course
29:36I root for the black guy. They make no
29:39apologies. It's only white people who
29:41would have to apologize. I'll tell you
29:43another story. I can't remember how long
29:45ago it was, but the World Soccer Cup of
29:49women, the final was played in Los
29:52Angeles and it was between the Chinese
29:55and the Americans.
29:57Well,
29:58that was back in the '90s. Well, how
29:59long ago was that? It was a long time
30:00ago. In any case, in any case, um
30:03there were two communities of Chinese in
30:05Los Angeles, the nationalists and the
30:07communists. They generally hated each
30:09other. But for this final,
30:12they booked a whole area of seats all
30:16together and they got together to root
30:18for the Chinese team. Because whether
30:22they were nationalists, whether they
30:23were American citizens, whether they
30:25were communists, they had one thing in
30:27common. They were Chinese and they
30:29wanted the Chinese team to win. And it's
30:31the same whenever the US national team
30:34plays the Mexican team, for example, in
30:36soccer, whatever it was. You can be a US
30:39citizen, but if you are Mexican or any
30:42kind of Hispanic, you're rooting for the
30:44Mexican team.
30:45>> So one of the things I've heard quite
30:47often
30:47>> Yes.
30:48>> very frequently from the white liberal
30:51side,
30:52especially during the season of
30:54elections, is that yes, we are we are
30:56sympathetic to minorities, blacks,
31:00because they don't have the same wealth
31:01and opportunities and access as black
31:04people. So we are trying hard to
31:07vote for the Democratic Party because
31:09we, the white liberals, would like to
31:12make sure that black people um
31:15you know,
31:15>> succeed.
31:16>> succeed. Yes.
31:18>> Now,
31:20is that a genuine
31:22feeling?
31:23Or what is the damage in that kind of
31:25thinking?
31:26>> Well,
31:27I cannot read their minds.
31:29>> Mhm.
31:30Let's take it on the surface. I beg your
31:31pardon? Let's take it on the surface.
31:34>> On a what? On the surface point of it?
31:36>> No, no, no, surface. The surface of it.
31:37>> No, on the surface, on the surface.
31:40I think most people are sincere in what
31:43they say. They believe in what they say.
31:44Most people
31:45would be very uncomfortable spending
31:47their lives
31:49outright lying.
31:51Uh human beings don't work that way
31:53unless they're psychopaths. And
31:55apparently maybe 4% of the population is
31:57psychopaths and a lot of them are
31:58politicians, it's true. But most people,
32:01they do not they're just not comfortable
32:03saying things all the time they don't
32:05believe. So I think most people believe
32:07in what they say. And when liberals
32:09might say, "Well, black people have been
32:12oppressed and it's our fault and
32:14therefore we have to do everything
32:15possible to make things better for them,
32:17so ultimately we get equal outcomes."
32:19>> [clears throat]
32:19>> I think they genuinely believe that.
32:20Now,
32:22all of these people who say, "We need to
32:25make it possible for black people to
32:26advance." When is the When have you ever
32:29heard of a person high up in a company
32:32who says, "And I'm going to resign." And
32:35so a black person or Hispanic person, or
32:38an Eskimo can take my place. Never. It's
32:42always some other poor schlub of a white
32:44guy who doesn't get the job so that he
32:46can show you just how wonderful and
32:48virtuous he is. This is all part of this
32:50terrible hypocrisy.
32:52>> that sentiment towards black people from
32:54the white liberals?
32:54>> Yes.
32:56>> In in our judgment
32:58>> Mhm. What about it? I think it's genuine
33:01I think they
33:02>> It's genuine you are saying.
33:03>> I I I think it is now.
33:04>> Well, is that the is that the group?
33:06Yes, go ahead.
33:07>> They deceive themselves because
33:10they don't seem to realize that if this
33:13sentiment persists, if we really have
33:16built a society in which we want every
33:19single race to have equal outcomes, no
33:22matter whatever differences there might
33:24be in ability or dedication or
33:27persistence of different racial groups,
33:29then they have built-in automatic
33:31headwinds against their own people.
33:34That's what all of this business of DEI
33:36is all about, diversity, equity,
33:38inclusion. How do you get diversity? How
33:40do you get equity? How do you get
33:42inclusion? By having fewer white people.
33:44That's the long and the short of it. And
33:46have white people get
33:49shouting this from the rooftops, you
33:51know, under the Biden administration.
33:54>> All right. Now, we're going to go to the
33:55crux of the matter.
33:56>> Okay. Well, we'll we'll set Biden the
33:58hot aside for now, but let Okay. To the
34:01crux of the matter.
34:01>> Yes.
34:02>> Yes.
34:02>> So, we woke up
34:03>> Mhm.
34:04>> next week Monday.
34:05>> Yes.
34:06>> Jared Taylor has been nominated by the
34:08Trump administration to be the secretary
34:10of culture and immigration.
34:13>> [laughter]
34:14>> Now, you can't be an advocate without
34:16saying in your head, if I were at the
34:19the helm of affairs, I would do
34:21something to slow down this suicide.
34:23>> Yes.
34:24>> What would you do?
34:25>> Well, uh interestingly enough, I would
34:28do many of the things already undertaken
34:31by the Trump administration.
34:33>> Namely?
34:34>> Seal the border.
34:36>> Okay.
34:36>> Under Biden, of course, in the worst
34:39months,
34:41300,000
34:43illegal immigrants just marched across
34:45the southern border. No vetting, no
34:47nothing. Come one, come all. And then
34:49they'd go on welfare, they'd be put in
34:51these housing development how housing
34:53places.
34:54Suicide, complete suicide. I mean, even
34:57aside from any kind of racial
35:00consciousness and wanting to live in a
35:01majority white country, letting these
35:03people in, utterly unvetted, who knows
35:05how many criminals there are, how many
35:07low IQ morons there are, who are going
35:09to be beggars, who are going to be
35:10rapists. We don't even care. Come on in.
35:13Suicide. This is something that is
35:15inconceivable in any other country.
35:18>> So, immigration is one.
35:19>> Yes, seal the border.
35:20>> Second.
35:20>> Now,
35:21uh Donald Trump has gone so far as to
35:24essentially eliminate the refugee
35:26program. Under Joe Biden, there were
35:27125,000 slots for refugees. Every single
35:31one of them non-white, by the way.
35:33They're some They're They're from
35:35countries that uh oh, Bhutan, for
35:37example, or Syria, or Afghanistan.
35:40Countries a lot of Americans have never
35:41even heard of. But they were coming into
35:43the country because they were legitimate
35:44refugees.
35:46Donald Trump has said, "No, we're going
35:48to have only 7,500, and they're all
35:50going to be white."
35:51This is an astonishing turnaround from
35:54any previous administration. That's a
35:55good thing, too. Donald Trump has also
35:58tried to obliterate DEI in the
36:01government.
36:02In the government today, there are no
36:04celebrations for Martin Luther King Day.
36:07Did you know that? This was something
36:08that was almost the 11th commandment.
36:10You have to celebrate Martin Luther
36:12King.
36:13>> What was wrong with that?
36:14>> Excuse me. What?
36:15>> What was wrong with celebrating Martin
36:16Luther King Day?
36:17>> Well, boy, ha. Martin Luther King.
36:22You want to You don't want to talk about
36:23Martin Luther King?
36:24>> No, just what was wrong with the
36:26celebration of it?
36:27>> Martin Luther King, Martin Luther King
36:28was a man who worked very hard for black
36:32interests. He clothed those black
36:35interests in the language of equal
36:37rights.
36:39And there was a time in the United
36:40States when blacks did not have equal
36:43rights and equal access. And he always
36:46said, "Equality, that's what we want."
36:49But as soon as the Civil Rights Acts
36:51were passed, Civil Rights Act of 1964,
36:53Voting Rights Act 1965,
36:55without pausing to catch his breath, he
36:59started wanting compensatory treatment,
37:02special treatment for blacks. Now,
37:04here's a guy whose interests were black
37:07people. That was his real number one
37:10interest.
37:11Why should we celebrate a guy whose
37:13interests were exclusively for black
37:15people?
37:16>> Come on, Jared. But at the time you're
37:17talking about Martin Luther King,
37:19who wouldn't want to do anything for
37:22black people? There was segregation,
37:24there was discrimination, there was
37:26lynching, there was well,
37:27>> Lynching had pretty much ended by then.
37:30And segregation, legal segregation
37:32existed only in a part of the country.
37:34>> Yes, segregated educational systems.
37:35>> Okay, that's fine. That's fine.
37:37>> was wrong for him to say, "These are
37:39afflicted people. You are afflicted."
37:40>> is nothing wrong for him to do that for
37:42his people. However, yeah, as a
37:45consequence of his having done that,
37:48does he become the only human being or
37:51the only person aside from Jesus Christ
37:55whose birthday is celebrated as a
37:57national holiday? Does it make him that
37:59important? Really? He's as important as
38:02Jesus Christ so we celebrate his
38:04birthday as a national holiday? This is
38:06cuckoo. No. And
38:08>> his birthday enacted as a national
38:10holiday?
38:10>> Excuse me?
38:11>> How did not How did his birthday become
38:13a national holiday?
38:15>> Oh, Congress voted it. There were a few
38:17southern states who opposed this.
38:19>> whose regime was that?
38:19>> I I your pardon?
38:20>> Uh who
38:21>> Under Reagan, if uh I believe it was
38:23Ronald Reagan who finally Ronald Reagan
38:25didn't like it.
38:26But, uh no. This was something that
38:28America decided. And uh now we have
38:31Juneteenth, yet another black holiday,
38:34another cuckoo black holiday. What are
38:36we celebrating? The fact that black
38:38people didn't realize until months after
38:41the war that uh slavery had been
38:43abolished. Why are we even celebrating
38:45that? That's almost celebrating the
38:46ignorance of black people. In any case,
38:49if you're going to have a multiracial
38:52country,
38:53if the idea is we're all going to hold
38:55hands and be Americans and dismantle any
38:59kind of racial consciousness. That was
39:01the whole idea of the civil rights
39:02movement. We're going to make race not
39:04matter. We're all going to be Americans.
39:06Then, we should not be celebrating a
39:09black man who says race certainly
39:12matters. It matters the most to me. And
39:16now that we've got equality, we want
39:18more than equality. We want special
39:19treatment. That should not be something
39:21to celebrate.
39:23>> So, you're not in any way undermining
39:25the work he did as a civil rights
39:26leader.
39:27>> For him to try to advance the interests
39:31of his people, that's perfectly
39:33understandable. I have no quarrel with
39:35that at all. My quarrel is with an
39:38America that is so concerned about its
39:41past shortcomings that it makes him the
39:44patron saint of the United States,
39:46despite all of his moral failings, his
39:48plagiarism, his adultery, his foul
39:51language, his communist sentiments,
39:53probably the fact that he really wasn't
39:55an orthodox Christian by any stretch of
39:57the imagination, either. We brush all of
39:59this aside and make him more important
40:03than any single American who ever lived.
40:06That's what we say when we have Martin
40:07Luther King Day and no other person who
40:10is who is celebrated as an individual.
40:12He is known, really, for having said
40:15only one thing, and he didn't even
40:17believe it. This idea of being judged by
40:19the content of my character rather than
40:21the color of my skin. If you really
40:23think that, you're not going to push for
40:25affirmative action, which is what he
40:27immediately started doing after he got
40:29equal rights. So, I understand his
40:32desire to promote the interests of his
40:34people, but to make him the patron saint
40:36of America is to paint white people as
40:41devils who can never be trusted.
40:43>> Let's go back to your advocacy.
40:46>> Okay.
40:47>> So,
40:47>> Yes.
40:48>> if this is the closing of this
40:49conversation, and you want to remind the
40:51viewers of what the American Renaissance
40:54stands for in order to make it clear
40:56today that you said in the beginning,
40:58I'm not a white supremacist, I'm not a
41:00white nationalist, I'm not even a
41:01separatist.
41:02>> Well, I am I believe in voluntary
41:05separation, complete freedom of
41:07association.
41:08>> Yes.
41:09>> And to me, this is an obtainable
41:12uh an obtainable outcome.
41:14>> Describe how that would be.
41:16>> In the United States today, the United
41:17States government, all parts of
41:20government are in the business of
41:21encouraging people to come together
41:23whether they want to or not. School
41:25integration. You have to integrate your
41:28company. The idea of saying, "Well, you
41:30know, I want to do business only with uh
41:33white people or only with black people."
41:35Oh, you can't do that. Voluntary
41:38voluntary association is a profoundly
41:41important civil right. We do not have
41:43that. If I want to say, "I want to live
41:45in a community where everyone is rich,
41:48white, and good-looking." If that's my
41:50preference, oh,
41:51>> [laughter]
41:51>> that's really terrible. But,
41:54for most non-white people to wish to
41:57live in a in a society or go to a
42:00church, for example, that reflects your
42:02race, your heritage, that's perfectly
42:04okay. You know, we have about 10,000
42:06Asian churches in the United States.
42:09Overwhelmingly Asian.
42:11And practically every black denomination
42:13church is
42:15overwhelmingly black. But if you have a
42:17white church and you want to keep it
42:19white, no, no, no, no, no. That's no
42:21good.
42:21>> So Bob, to the one line
42:23>> let me finish this.
42:25We have to in the United States get over
42:27the idea
42:29that if white people wish to live in a
42:31culturally and racially coherent setting
42:34themselves, that there's anything wrong
42:36with that. Now, I'm not saying they all
42:38have to live with live that way. If
42:40Americans want to live in this
42:42multi-culti mishmash, God bless them.
42:45It's up to them. But for those who wish
42:47to live amongst themselves celebrating
42:50their own culture and holding their own
42:52destiny in their own hands, they should
42:54have that opportunity without any kind
42:56of problem.
42:56>> is your last sentiment is you said one,
42:58you are against the government making it
43:00almost mandatory that people should move
43:03in and close on other people. I want to
43:05get the picture clear for my audience.
43:08So in one sentence I, Jared Taylor of
43:11the American Renaissance, I am
43:12advocating for what in one sentence?
43:15>> Well, if I have to put it in one
43:17sentence
43:17>> Yes.
43:18>> uh
43:19complete freedom of association and the
43:23recognition that white people as a group
43:26have legitimate interests and the right
43:28to organize to defend those interests.
43:30>> Now, let me ask you, who really
43:32frustrates you?
43:33Is it the immigrants who come here or is
43:36it your government?
43:37>> What frustrates me is white people.
43:40White people still basically run the
43:42show.
43:42>> But when you say white people, that is
43:44too broad. Okay, now you got okay.
43:46>> The ones who are doing something
43:48unprecedented in the history of the
43:50world who are building this society
43:53based on the idea that they and their
43:55ancestors are all sort of inherently
43:57guilty.
43:58That white people are responsible if
44:00non-white people don't succeed at the
44:02same rate as white people. And that to
44:05to
44:06their own culture, their own
44:07civilization is somehow illegitimate. No
44:10majority people in history of the world
44:12has ever done that. No majority people
44:14has ever said, "Okay, here's a country
44:16our ancestors built, but yeah, come on
44:19in. You can take this chunk. You guys,
44:21you can take that chunk. And if we
44:23become a minority and a despised
44:24minority, well, that's how you celebrate
44:26diversity."
44:28>> Nobody has ever done that. If somebody
44:29asked you to make a statement
44:31>> Yes.
44:32>> Okay.
44:32>> Right.
44:33>> about the United States of America and
44:36its participation in slavery,
44:37discrimination, segregation, whatever
44:39has happened and did happen. That is
44:41This is not a thousand years ago.
44:43>> Right.
44:44>> What do you say to that?
44:45>> What do I say to that?
44:47Let's talk about slavery.
44:49Every society in the world has had
44:51slavery.
44:53White people are the people who
44:54abolished slavery all around the world.
44:57They shoved abolition down the throats
45:00of Africans and Arabs who wanted to
45:01maintain it. There are Arab countries
45:04that didn't disallow slavery until what,
45:061950s, 1960s? And you know,
45:09Arabs enslaved a lot more sub-Saharan
45:13Africans than ever crossed the Atlantic.
45:16>> because my neighbor, I will not say
45:18because my neighbor engaged in a
45:21homicide, that should also excuse me
45:23engaging in one. I'm asking that you
45:26must make a specific statement when it
45:27comes to your country, the United States
45:29of America. For the liberals who are
45:30saying, "We did something wrong. We are
45:32ashamed of against black people." Not
45:34against against African Americans. I'm
45:36asking what would your contribution or
45:39sentiment be around that subject?
45:41>> I'd say, "Get over it. I didn't do it
45:44and you weren't a victim." And black
45:46people today living in the United States
45:48>> I mean, not the people who are here.
45:51>> Well,
45:51>> So, when the Arabs were refusing to
45:53engage in slavery, when the English
45:55>> When refusing to you mean abolish
45:57>> No, refusing to abolish slavery. And
45:59when the English were pushing to abolish
46:01slavery.
46:02>> Yes.
46:02>> If America was not involved in slavery
46:04at that time, but was planning to go
46:07into slavery, you wouldn't say yes
46:08because everybody is doing it, it's
46:10fine, my country can do it. You wouldn't
46:11say that, would you?
46:13>> At the time?
46:13>> Yeah.
46:14>> I don't know what I would have thought.
46:15I mean, if I were a person of that time,
46:18probably Well, even most Southern
46:22Americans had real second thoughts about
46:25slavery. Thomas Jefferson, for example,
46:27the way he described slavery, he says,
46:30"We have the wolf by the ears. We can
46:33either hold him nor let him go." Imagine
46:35having a wolf by the ears. That's a very
46:37dangerous situation. This is slavery.
46:39>> a wolf? He's the
46:40>> The wolf is slavery. The wolf is
46:42slavery.
46:42>> Okay.
46:43>> This is very no good. But, if we let him
46:45go, then what's going to happen? Because
46:47Thomas Jefferson thought that it was
46:49going to be impossible for whites and
46:50blacks to live under the same
46:52government.
46:53And so, he said, "This is a terrible
46:55thing, but what do we do with the black
46:57people? We can't keep them as slaves."
47:00Thomas Jefferson's solution was to send
47:02them outside of the country. He was a
47:03big proponent of colonization, as it was
47:06called. But, as far as slavery is
47:09concerned,
47:09>> Mhm.
47:10>> this is something that, yes, my
47:12ancestors, some of them were slave
47:14holders, but I'm not guilty of that. In
47:16fact, you were pointing out, let's say
47:19it turns out my great-grandfather killed
47:22your great-grandfather.
47:23>> Mhm.
47:23>> I mean, murder is worse than slavery.
47:25Does that mean I owe you anything?
47:26>> Murder is not worse than slavery.
47:29>> Of course it is.
47:30>> No, no, I don't think that any No,
47:32Jared, I wouldn't compare the two.
47:35There's no trauma suffered after death,
47:37but if you live in slavery, you could
47:39have trauma.
47:40>> Well,
47:41>> So, I wouldn't I wouldn't compare the
47:42two is what I'm saying.
47:43>> Well, okay, whatever you say.
47:44>> Murdering someone or being in slavery,
47:46they're two separate things that we
47:48shouldn't even use it and say murder is
47:49So, I'm not saying you're wrong, it's
47:50your opinion, but I'm saying that my
47:52only point is guilt does not transfer
47:55down one generation. There's no legal
47:57theory that says, no matter what my
47:59great-grandfather did to you, I have to
48:01pay you. And yet, somehow
48:04>> Well, you're a Christian. God punished
48:05all of us for Adam and Eve's sin.
48:07>> What's that?
48:08>> You're the Christian.
48:09>> Well,
48:10>> God punished all of us for the sin of
48:12Adam and Eve.
48:14>> Well, does that does that really mean
48:17that white people have to pay for the
48:18sins of their ancestors? How come Arabs
48:20don't have to pay for the sins of their
48:21ancestors?
48:22>> How come no Arab has to pay for the sins
48:23of their ancestors while they're still
48:24living in the
48:25>> Yeah.
48:25>> put that pressure, but I wouldn't speak
48:27for that. And then I'm not saying in any
48:28way or form I'm not saying that oh,
48:30America should do anything special
48:32because it once helped people sleep. I'm
48:34not saying that.
48:35>> Well, good.
48:35>> I do not like, you know, entangling
48:37myself in certain conversation. I don't
48:38have the credibility. However, all I'm
48:40saying is if the liberals
48:42>> Right.
48:42>> are feeling guilty for something they
48:44wish never was a stain on the history
48:47of this country. You don't even
48:49sympathize with that at all?
48:51>> It has no implications for how we should
48:55behave today. None. Zero. They didn't do
48:59it. The people who are alive today had
49:02nothing to do with slavery. And the the
49:05function of constantly talking about
49:07slavery,
49:09the result of that is to make black
49:11people hate white people. Constantly
49:14reminding them of slavery. Look what
49:16these white people did long ago. They
49:18enslaved you. They lynched you. They
49:20whipped you. They segregated you.
49:22We say this over and over and over to
49:24black people.
49:25>> many times in my episodes that the only
49:27thing that comes out of this repetition
49:29>> Yeah.
49:29>> is letting young black kids who could
49:32live in this country, including Latinos
49:33and everybody, and be free and happy
49:35with a new seed of Americans. They will
49:38look back and then it generates anger.
49:40It is true. And nobody wants to be
49:42reminded you are the way you are because
49:44of this we did it to you. I agree with
49:46you completely on that.
49:46>> Yeah.
49:47>> I don't like it.
49:48>> That is the function of constant jabber
49:50about slavery. You can't go to
49:53Monticello or to Mount Vernon, where the
49:56presidents lived, and everything there
49:59is now about slavery. They don't talk
50:01about slave They're enslaved people, of
50:03course. They're not slaves. But,
50:05imagine, I mean, if you, from
50:07kindergarten on,
50:10all of society is telling you, you know,
50:12it's true. Your people are poor. Your
50:15people are likely to be in jail. Your
50:17people are likely to be on welfare. You
50:19know why?
50:20It's those nasty people over there.
50:23They did all of these things to you. And
50:26whether or not they know it or not,
50:28they're still inherently white
50:30supremacists. They want to just grind
50:31you into the dirt.
50:33It's a wonder to me there isn't more
50:35justice handed out to them.
50:36>> All right. If you were a black person
50:38anywhere in the world,
50:39>> Yes.
50:40>> at an airport, you're a black person,
50:41and you turn around and say, "I'm
50:42Japanese." People will turn and look at
50:44you twice.
50:45>> [laughter]
50:46>> If you were an Arab anywhere in the
50:48world, you say, "I'm Chinese." People
50:50will look at you twice. You know that.
50:53You lived in Japan for 16 years or
50:56but you wouldn't say, "I'm I'm
50:59Japanese." But, in the United States,
51:01even if you don't look like a human
51:02being, and you de-
51:04you declare at any airport, "I'm an
51:05American." Nobody will look at you
51:07twice.
51:08Everybody get accepted here if you are
51:10born and raised here, birth right
51:11citizenship you are. So, let me ask you.
51:13>> Yes.
51:15>> African Americans, not me,
51:16>> Mhm.
51:17>> because I'm a just a naturalized
51:18citizen.
51:19>> Right.
51:19>> So, if you were traveling on a crowded
51:22train on a Monday morning, and there's a
51:24black a group of black
51:26gentlemen saying, "Oh, we have we formed
51:28this organization to protect
51:31the dispossession of black people in
51:33America, to protect our heritage and our
51:35rights."
51:36>> Right.
51:37>> Would you look at them twice?
51:39>> What do you mean? I mean, would I be
51:41surprised to meet such people?
51:43No. I mean, that's what the way
51:46I would say the majority
51:48of educated black people think is that
51:50they have to be constantly protecting
51:53their heritage, their rights because
51:55they're surrounded by all of these
51:57malicious white people, which is
51:59complete baloney.
52:01Most of the time when people talk about
52:03they
52:03>> The reason I'm asking is the American
52:04Renaissance mission
52:06>> Right.
52:07>> is to help protect
52:10and uh slow down this suicide according
52:13to you.
52:14>> Yes.
52:15>> So if the black people have the right to
52:17feel that way and start an organization
52:19to advocate
52:19>> By all means.
52:21>> How do the two live in the same country?
52:24>> That's a good question and that's why I
52:26said I want voluntary separation. I
52:28don't think it's possible to get black
52:31people and white people to agree on why
52:35black murder rates are higher than white
52:37murder rates. I don't think it's
52:38possible. Too many black people are
52:40convinced somehow it's a legacy of
52:42slavery or Jim Crow or whatever it is.
52:45Somehow it's white people's fault.
52:47You're not going to convince black
52:49people that they are responsible for
52:51what they're up to unless I believe they
52:54are in their own societies where they
52:56have their own government, their own
52:57courts, their own education. Only then
53:00can I
53:02I think only then can black people
53:04really be free of this chip on their
53:07shoulder.
53:07>> that?
53:07>> I beg your pardon?
53:08>> You will support that?
53:09>> Of course. Of course.
53:11>> is the difference between Malcolm X,
53:13Louis Farrakhan, Marcus Garvey and is it
53:16Todd Simpson?
53:17>> Simpson.
53:18>> Uh I need something I need. I've
53:20forgotten the last name.
53:20>> of Ta-Nehisi Coates? Is that who you're
53:22thinking of?
53:22>> Yeah.
53:22>> No, okay.
53:23>> And is that the same kind of
53:25>> The three people you just mentioned, the
53:27three people you just mentioned, Malcolm
53:29X originally was a separatist, but after
53:31he went to Mecca and he found blue-eyed
53:34uh
53:34>> That they can live together, right?
53:35>> Muslims, he just said, "Well,
53:37maybe
53:38>> We can live together.
53:38>> Maybe we can live together." Uh before
53:40he used to say, "The only thing I like
53:42integrated is coffee."
53:44>> That's a pretty good line.
53:45>> character.
53:46>> Uh but
53:48Marcus Garvey was the only legitimate
53:50one. Marcus Garvey, what was it? "Rise
53:53up, you Rise up, you great Rise up, you
53:56noble people." He wanted Africans and
53:59black people
54:00to work
54:02and to grasp to have their own
54:05initiative, work for their own benefit,
54:08and not depend on anybody else, and not
54:11blame anybody else. I think Marcus
54:14Garvey was a truly great black man.
54:17Marcus Garvey had the idea of
54:18independent black nations that set their
54:21own rules, policed their own
54:24misbehavior, and worked for their own
54:26greatness. And I say, "God bless you."
54:30That is the way I believe black people
54:31should think, and that's how they should
54:33act. To live in a society where every
54:36one of their failures, they're
54:37encouraged by white people to blame on
54:39somebody else.
54:41That's not being a man. That's not
54:43growing up. That is being treated like a
54:46child your entire life. That is no way
54:49to live, and I think if black people had
54:51any real pride, they would spit on the
54:54idea of living in a society like that.
54:56They want to They should want real
54:58independence and real freedom. And they
55:00can't get that living in this society
55:03the way it's structured. Impossible.
55:04>> Very good.
55:05>> Yes.
55:06>> I think many people are going to pick on
55:07this point really and want to You agree
55:09that the way this place is structured
55:13>> It's terrible for black people.
55:15>> Which aspect of it?
55:16>> The idea that we we treat black people
55:19like children.
55:20We say to them,
55:22"It doesn't make any difference how hard
55:24you try. White people are going to hold
55:26you back no matter what." What a way
55:28What a way to be brought up. What a way
55:30to live. We tell them, "This society has
55:34persecuted you for 400 years and will
55:36continue to persecute you." why would
55:38anyone want to live here?
55:39>> give me the blueprint. Give me a
55:40complete description of an ideal America
55:43where there is a black separatist group,
55:46but living in America with all its
55:47rights and privileges.
55:49>> Well, it would be a difficult thing to
55:51arrange, but if everyone agreed, well,
55:53yes, we should go our own way, then it
55:55could be brought about. Small enclaves
55:58to begin with, larger, but you asked me
56:00about Louis Farrakhan.
56:01>> Yeah.
56:02>> Louis Farrakhan.
56:04That guy is a complete phony.
56:06You know, The Final Call is their
56:08newspaper. I haven't seen it for a
56:10while, but it used to be that in the
56:12back page, on the inside, it always
56:14said, "These are our demands." And it
56:17said, "How can you expect the sons of
56:20the slave owners and the sons of the
56:22slaves to live together in harmony? They
56:25need to separate." His idea, he had
56:27various ideas. "Give me all the black
56:29people in America and I'll go back to
56:30Africa. Or give me a chunk of America
56:33and all the black people live there, and
56:35you white honkies, you can just do
56:37whatever you like."
56:38Now, remember the Million Man March?
56:41I can't remember what year that was, but
56:42>> Maybe '95,
56:43>> '96? Well, good for you.
56:45>> '95, '96,
56:46>> Okay. Very good. Very good.
56:48He had all of the world's television
56:51cameras beamed on him.
56:53>> Oh, yeah.
56:53>> He had congressmen sitting on the dais
56:55with him, all black, of course. He had
56:57the biggest audience he'd ever had in
56:59his life.
57:00>> That's true.
57:00>> And I remember thinking, "Okay. Okay,
57:03Louis, baby.
57:04Separation. Talk about it. Talk about
57:07it." No. He chickened out. He talked
57:09about this great spaceship up in the
57:11sky, and all of this goofy, goofy stuff.
57:14I thought, "What a coward. What a
57:17phony." This was his chance to talk
57:20about a true destiny of greatness for
57:22his people, and he flubbed it. Because I
57:25think in his bones, Louis Farrakhan knew
57:28perfectly well he's much better off
57:30living with white people, keeping whitey
57:32on the hop, always reminding them of
57:34slavery and how bad white people are.
57:37White people come and apologize, "What
57:38what else can we do for you next, Mr.
57:41Minister Farrakhan?" He realizes he's
57:43much better off that way. And I think a
57:45lot of black people realize that, too.
57:46>> In your line of work for the last 36
57:48years
57:49>> right.
57:49>> in your line of work for the last 36
57:51years with American Renaissance, have
57:52you had any black organization or
57:55individuals who
57:58somehow support
57:59>> Certainly. Certainly.
58:01>> What what what
58:02>> We hold conferences every year. We have
58:04had black people come to our
58:06conferences. There was a black woman who
58:08used to come every year.
58:10She was a great tall woman. She was
58:11about 6'3". Everybody liked her. I don't
58:14know why she stopped coming, but
58:16everyone thought it was very
58:17interesting. There are plenty of
58:19non-whites who agree that white people
58:23have the right to their own societies,
58:26to their own culture, to have a certain
58:27amount of pride in their heritage.
58:30There are many non-whites. I have a
58:32whole file of email messages I've gotten
58:35from around the world, from people in
58:37India, from people in China, from people
58:40in Africa, who say,
58:43"American Renaissance, don't give up.
58:45The world needs proud white people."
58:49It's white people who don't understand
58:50this.
58:52>> how does the country benefit? Let's say,
58:55for example, I don't want to call it a
58:56doctrine, but the American Renaissance
58:58mission.
58:59>> Yes.
58:59>> Let's say, like you said,
59:01"Oh, it's accepted. People understand it
59:03now, and they help make it come about."
59:05Which is
59:06voluntary
59:08>> voluntary separation.
59:09>> separation. Yes. Let's say,
59:11just like the Chinese have in Chinatown,
59:14they don't bother anybody. If you go
59:15there, it's fine. Black people who
59:17decided First of all,
59:19which one is the biggest number
59:21population of people that you believe
59:23have not segregated themselves? The
59:25Japanese live in Little Tokyo in
59:27California, the Chinese live in
59:28Chinatown, even the Koreans in Flatbush,
59:31New York, they have created a community
59:33for themselves. So are the Jews. So who
59:35is the one who has not segregated
59:36himself or lives separately? Yes.
59:38>> course. Even white people segregate
59:41themselves. Just like Just like Hillary
59:43Clinton.
59:44>> Yes.
59:44>> They just lie to themselves about it.
59:47>> Mhm.
59:47>> When people leave California, white
59:49people leave California, and they end up
59:52perhaps in Idaho, or they go to uh some
59:55part of northern California, or they go
59:57to Oregon,
59:59and do you ask them, "Why did they go?"
1:00:01And they said, "Oh, there was pollution.
1:00:03There was crime. There was traffic."
1:00:06They almost never are honest enough to
1:00:09say, "My children were minorities in the
1:00:12local school district." They're not
1:00:14honest. They They won't say at the PTA
1:00:17meeting, "We had to have interpreters of
1:00:20Farsi and Spanish and Haitian Creole.
1:00:24And the teachers are spending all their
1:00:26time teaching En- teaching English
1:00:28rather than mathematics."
1:00:30>> the last frontier, the group of people
1:00:32in the last frontier that you would help
1:00:34or they have not even thought about it
1:00:37to separate themselves voluntarily, is
1:00:40black people then.
1:00:41>> Oh, black people separate themselves all
1:00:43the time.
1:00:44>> No, we mean real separation as you see
1:00:46with
1:00:48uh yeah.
1:00:48>> Yeah, I see. Well,
1:00:49I think deep in their hearts,
1:00:52most black people, if you really sat
1:00:55them down and made them think about it,
1:00:57would realize that if it were entirely
1:00:59up to them
1:01:01to keep the lights on, to keep the
1:01:03sewers working, to keep the jet engines
1:01:06maintained, that they're better off
1:01:09living with white people. I think that's
1:01:10probably the conclusion most black
1:01:14people would arrive at. Now,
1:01:17in fact, when you hear the way some
1:01:19black people talk about whites,
1:01:21just the utter contempt with which they
1:01:23describe us. And I could give you
1:01:25example after example. Ta-Nehisi Coates,
1:01:27for example. He's this great genius,
1:01:29MacArthur genius. He wrote this book, uh
1:01:31I think uh Letters to His Son, whatever
1:01:34it's called. Between something and and
1:01:36my son.
1:01:37>> Ta-Nehisi?
1:01:37>> Ta-Nehisi Coates.
1:01:38>> Oh, yeah, Ta-Nehisi.
1:01:39>> Ta-Nehisi Coates.
1:01:40>> Yes.
1:01:41>> Uh one of his uh I think I'm
1:01:43I'm not even paraphrasing him. Pretty
1:01:44much closing uh quoting him accurately.
1:01:46He says,
1:01:48"I would like to say that the day will
1:01:50come when the people who consider
1:01:52themselves
1:01:54white give up their demon religion of
1:01:58white supremacy and become human.
1:02:01But I cannot see that day ever coming."
1:02:04What is this? Here's a guy saying white
1:02:06people can't even become human. And yet
1:02:08white people, they pet him and they
1:02:10whoop over him, they slobber over him,
1:02:12they give him one award after another.
1:02:14What kind of thing is this? Now, a guy
1:02:16who thinks that about white people,
1:02:18shouldn't he want to separate? If we're
1:02:20that bad.
1:02:22Or somebody like Brittney Cooper. I
1:02:24don't know if you know who she is. She's
1:02:25a tenured professor at Rutgers
1:02:27University.
1:02:28>> Rutgers, yeah.
1:02:28>> Yes. She was on a panel and talking
1:02:31about just how bad white people are. And
1:02:34she says, "Well, the solution we may
1:02:36just have to take the
1:02:38out." Sorry to use such language, but
1:02:40I'm just quoting her.
1:02:42>> Sure.
1:02:42>> She's talking about exterminating all of
1:02:44us.
1:02:44Uh that's okay. She didn't lose her job.
1:02:46I mean, she's still honored and tenured
1:02:49professor.
1:02:50I could quote you
1:02:52many many such Now, why don't they
1:02:55therefore look for independence? Why
1:02:58don't they say, "We need our area, our
1:03:02universities. We need to be separate
1:03:04from these horrible white people." And
1:03:05if I said it, if I said, "Look, if we're
1:03:08that bad, just let us go our own way."
1:03:10Do you think they'd agree?
1:03:11No. They'd find some reason not to
1:03:14agree.
1:03:14>> You'd be canceled.
1:03:16>> [laughter]
1:03:16>> I've heard enough and
1:03:19I don't
1:03:21I'm still thinking.
1:03:23>> Mhm.
1:03:23>> Jared, is it possible, two things, that
1:03:27if this is your message, in fact, I I I
1:03:29was quite pleased with this because I
1:03:30share that sentiment. You said, if a
1:03:33people will continue to look at one
1:03:34group and treat them like children by
1:03:36saying, "Oh, poor you. We are sorry."
1:03:38>> Yeah.
1:03:38>> You are not doing any good to that
1:03:40group. Now, like you said from the
1:03:41beginning, humans by nature are herd.
1:03:45>> Yeah.
1:03:45>> to flock together. If the message is
1:03:47popular, I'll come along with it. Nobody
1:03:49has the time to stop to think what
1:03:51damage is it doing to us.
1:03:52>> Right.
1:03:53>> I've said it so many times with the
1:03:54young people that I mentor.
1:03:56>> Mhm.
1:03:56>> Once you begin to feel sorry for
1:03:58yourself, anywhere you go, people will
1:04:00stay away from you because you have no
1:04:02confidence to make them want to work
1:04:04with you. So, what you're saying is one
1:04:07is one you're talking about slow down
1:04:09the dispossession of this country
1:04:10because whites created their country.
1:04:12They should be able to remain the
1:04:14majority.
1:04:14>> Yes.
1:04:15>> But, the problem, Jared, that you have
1:04:17not provided a solution. There is no
1:04:19way, even the number of immigrants you
1:04:21have now in the United States, you're
1:04:23not going to give more money to the
1:04:26Planned Parenthood
1:04:29to mute everyone.
1:04:30>> Well.
1:04:31>> What are you going to do to stop
1:04:33the production and the birth rate and
1:04:36everything?
1:04:37>> As I said, it would be impractical and
1:04:41immoral to say, "Okay, we're going to
1:04:43take the whole country back." In 1860,
1:04:46we were 90% of the population. We're
1:04:48going to turn back the clock and become
1:04:5090% or maybe 100%. That's not practical
1:04:54and it's not moral. As I said, there are
1:04:56certain people here who have a claim on
1:04:57North America,
1:04:59and you have to respect that claim.
1:05:01>> Okay, but what to do to slow down the
1:05:02suicide is what?
1:05:04>> Well, obviously, stop immigration.
1:05:06>> I see.
1:05:06>> And also, expel every single illegal
1:05:10immigrant.
1:05:10>> Okay.
1:05:11>> Expel people who lied on their
1:05:14naturalization requests.
1:05:16And I think that it would be possible to
1:05:19build in incentives for people to go
1:05:21even if they were naturalized citizens.
1:05:24>> Okay.
1:05:25>> Also, get rid of birthright citizenship.
1:05:27This thing is kooky crazy. Practically
1:05:29no Well, there there's still a few
1:05:30countries who have that.
1:05:31>> means that the parents are not
1:05:33Americans. Just because you were born
1:05:35here, they came across the border.
1:05:36>> That's right.
1:05:37>> And if you are born here, you are an
1:05:38American. Okay.
1:05:39>> this means is if a pregnant Guatemalan
1:05:42woman staggers across the border and
1:05:44makes it to an American hospital and has
1:05:46a baby, that baby's a US citizen. Even
1:05:48if she has no right to be in the United
1:05:50States. What happens
1:05:50>> came on vacation to your house for 5
1:05:52days and while I was there I gave birth
1:05:54to my son in your house, you better be
1:05:56sure that he's included in the will.
1:05:58>> Yes, exactly. Well, that's a good way of
1:05:59putting it. [laughter]
1:06:00Excellent.
1:06:01>> Well, let me put This is nuts.
1:06:03>> Okay. This is nuts. And there are
1:06:05millions of white people who will say,
1:06:08"Well, that's America. We have to do it
1:06:11that way." Why they think that way, I
1:06:13don't know.
1:06:15But but in any case, I recognize it is a
1:06:18difficult problem. The idea of
1:06:21separation in any substantial way is not
1:06:24easy. But as Abraham Lincoln said when
1:06:27he was talking about colonizing black
1:06:29people outside of the United States,
1:06:32where there is a will, there is a way.
1:06:35If enough people agree, then we can
1:06:37arrange separation at least at the local
1:06:40level and gradually expanding areas.
1:06:43Now, I I'm not saying Well, in France in
1:06:46France or Germany in Europe, they talk
1:06:48about remigration. Sending immigrants
1:06:50back. Well, it's too late for that here
1:06:53in the United States. There is already
1:06:55>> Europe can do it?
1:06:56>> I think they can, yes. Depending on the
1:06:58country.
1:06:58>> Listening to you as a black man or as an
1:07:00African, let me be very clear. You know,
1:07:02black, you kind of
1:07:04I haven't found anything offensive. So,
1:07:06I'm here sitting down and thinking
1:07:09if white people are that smart, which
1:07:11they've said they are, how come majority
1:07:13of you have made these dumb
1:07:16decisions that now is causing suicide
1:07:18slowly? However, here's what I'm
1:07:19thinking.
1:07:20>> Yes.
1:07:21>> Jared, it's possible that one, you have
1:07:23a very bad
1:07:25um skill of delivering your message or
1:07:27people don't like you for your wardrobe.
1:07:29It may be one of this. Because I haven't
1:07:31seen anything to really vehemently
1:07:33disagree with anything that offended in
1:07:36what you say you're doing. Now, I
1:07:38watched your 60 Minutes ABC
1:07:41uh interview.
1:07:42>> Yeah.
1:07:43>> As a journalist, it was painful. Um
1:07:47She said
1:07:48she said, "Just merely you say what you
1:07:51have said now would last 45 minutes."
1:07:54That, "Look, I'm only talking about
1:07:56let's go slow so that we don't we don't
1:07:58sink the entire ship." is what you're
1:08:00saying. She said, "Don't you think that
1:08:02saying this would offend black people?"
1:08:06Why didn't she say it would offend
1:08:08Latinos?
1:08:09She didn't say it would offend Asians,
1:08:11but all these people are also Americans,
1:08:13right? She didn't say it would offend
1:08:15Middle East. Why did she say it would
1:08:17offend black people?
1:08:19>> Because
1:08:21black-white relations have been the most
1:08:24prominent and significant racial fault
1:08:27line in American history.
1:08:28>> That's true.
1:08:29>> Now, we have had black white and Indian
1:08:32relations ever since 1690 1607,
1:08:36Jamestown.
1:08:37>> Yeah.
1:08:37>> But it is the black and white conflict
1:08:40that
1:08:41directly or indirectly led to the Civil
1:08:43War, largest casualties of any war, more
1:08:47than all of them put together, all the
1:08:49riots, urban riots, the black and white
1:08:52dynamic is really the fundamental racial
1:08:55problem in the United States. None of
1:08:57the others are
1:08:59equally important. Now, to me it was
1:09:01idiotic after having had a difficult
1:09:04minority in the form of blacks to then
1:09:06say, "Okay, well, now we're going to get
1:09:07Hispanics, we're going to get Asians,
1:09:09we're going to get subcontinental
1:09:10Indians." And we set the we set the
1:09:12example for the rest of the world. Look
1:09:14at Canada. Canada's committing suicide
1:09:16even more rapidly than we are. Come on,
1:09:18Sikhs.
1:09:19>> Every day I wake up I'm seeing news
1:09:21clips from Canada. I've seen Sikhs from
1:09:24India.
1:09:25>> Yeah.
1:09:25>> Now, like almost they feel like they are
1:09:26at home with swords in public place.
1:09:29>> Yes.
1:09:29>> I'm not saying liberals travel this
1:09:31country.
1:09:32>> You know, they're about this long. But
1:09:33anyway,
1:09:33>> It was Garry Davis, right? Garry Davis
1:09:35in 1960-72, when he wrote his 13
1:09:38principles of human rights. You remember
1:09:40Garry Davis, the
1:09:41who started the WSA, World Service
1:09:44Authority Passport, the passport without
1:09:46country?
1:09:46>> Garry Davis? No, never heard of him. No.
1:09:48>> No kidding.
1:09:49>> Sorry. Yeah.
1:09:50>> I was one of the first recipients of the
1:09:52the WSA passport. Yeah, world world
1:09:55passport.
1:09:55>> Who who honors it? Probably nobody.
1:09:58>> Nobody. I couldn't cross the Nigerian
1:09:59border with
1:10:00>> The WSA passport.
1:10:00>> I said that.
1:10:01Anyway, he fought a good fight. He went
1:10:03to the United Nations and he wrote the
1:10:0413 principles of what? Human rights. I
1:10:07agree with him. He included immigration
1:10:09is a human right. Humans always migrate
1:10:12to one place and all that. However, what
1:10:14is not human right
1:10:15>> Yeah.
1:10:16>> is that you come to my country,
1:10:17>> Right.
1:10:18>> you are free to migrate and ask me for
1:10:20residency and I'll give it to you. But
1:10:21to try to reorganize the furniture of my
1:10:24house is not human right.
1:10:26It's not even a privilege.
1:10:28But
1:10:29moving around, yes, we should consider
1:10:31it a human right because it's in our
1:10:33nature. We've been moving like this
1:10:34right from the time we were created. But
1:10:36if you go to Like for example, Konishiki
1:10:39and Akebono, for those of you who knows
1:10:41sumo very well, these two powerful sumo
1:10:44wrestlers came to Japan at the age of
1:10:49Konishiki came at the age of 17. Akebono
1:10:51came later on, I believe. And they
1:10:54proudly represented thousands of years
1:10:57of tradition. And yet they were not
1:10:58giving citizenship by the Japanese
1:11:00government. But they never go to the
1:11:02small ring with a higher Hawaiian or
1:11:04American flag, you know, showing that we
1:11:07are Americans. They embraced Japan, they
1:11:09married Japanese women, and they lived
1:11:11in Japan, and they supported everything.
1:11:13So yes, even if countries should open
1:11:15their doors for migrants to come in,
1:11:17it's fine. We all do it. But what is
1:11:19becoming a problem is when they arrive
1:11:22and then want to reorganize the
1:11:23furniture of the place. I think that is
1:11:25one of the concerns you have also about
1:11:28uh
1:11:28the whole Konishiki, Akebono question is
1:11:32an interesting one, but let me
1:11:35get back to the whole question of
1:11:36migration as a human right.
1:11:38>> Right.
1:11:38>> I say not just no.
1:11:40>> Okay.
1:11:40>> I say hell no.
1:11:42Because it's not just a question of
1:11:45rearranging the furniture. Let's imagine
1:11:47that you, say 20 years ago,
1:11:50you want to emigrate to Sweden.
1:11:53>> Yeah.
1:11:54>> In those days, Sweden had a welfare
1:11:56system.
1:11:57And according to that welfare system,
1:12:00the government looked after you very
1:12:02careful. They called it cradle to grave.
1:12:04If you didn't have a job, it looked
1:12:06after you. If you committed a crime, it
1:12:08tried very hard rehabilitate you.
1:12:11You don't have the same kind of welfare
1:12:13system in Sweden anymore. You know why?
1:12:15One of the reasons is so many people
1:12:17came from around the world that that did
1:12:20not work. And their mere presence made
1:12:23that impossible.
1:12:24>> Then if you say hell no to immigration
1:12:26as a human right, revolt me.
1:12:27>> Oh, it's not it's not a human right at
1:12:29all.
1:12:30>> If you say hell no to immigration as a
1:12:32human right,
1:12:32>> Yes.
1:12:33>> then how did the Europeans end up here?
1:12:35>> How they end up here? It was not
1:12:36immigration, it was conquest.
1:12:39They took it by force.
1:12:41>> Not the first ones.
1:12:42>> What? What do you mean?
1:12:43>> You mean the first group of uh uh uh
1:12:45Europeans or English people who left the
1:12:48monarchy to say we are seeking for a
1:12:49free and a better land.
1:12:50>> Yeah, they took it from the Indians.
1:12:52>> The rules were different in those days.
1:12:54People just took things by force.
1:12:56>> They took things by force. So, you're
1:12:57saying that form of even conquest was
1:12:59wrong or that is different from
1:13:01immigration?
1:13:02>> Oh, it's completely different from
1:13:03immigration.
1:13:04>> it different from immigration?
1:13:05>> How is it?
1:13:05>> Why do they describe this country as
1:13:07country of immigrants? Because those who
1:13:08came here, they didn't just take it and
1:13:11go back like the Mongols did, Jared.
1:13:13>> This is a nation. My ancestors were not
1:13:16immigrants. My ancestors were pioneers,
1:13:19explorers, builders. There was no
1:13:22country to come to. The idea that people
1:13:25who came here in 1607 are immigrants?
1:13:28>> Okay, so you're saying the word
1:13:29immigrant means that people who move to
1:13:31an established country where there's a
1:13:33process for you to become an immigrant
1:13:35or a resident. Now, that is clarified.
1:13:37>> of a nation of immigrants, what baloney.
1:13:40Every nation, at some point, it should
1:13:42have the option of stopping being a
1:13:45nation of immigrants if a bunch of
1:13:46immigrants have come in. The idea that
1:13:48because we had immigrants, we always
1:13:50have to have immigrants? This is just
1:13:51nuts. But,
1:13:53the rules were different. Now, I'm not
1:13:55saying it was correct. In the Jamestown
1:13:58colony, the Jamestown colony has a very
1:14:01interesting history. When the English
1:14:03came, the Spaniards had already been in
1:14:06America for 100 years. And they had a
1:14:09reputation of being very cruel to the
1:14:11Indians.
1:14:12The English, they said, "We're not like
1:14:14the Spaniards. We are better people. We
1:14:16are going to come in peace." And when
1:14:18they came to Jamestown, they very
1:14:20carefully found a place that was
1:14:22uninhabited. They thought it was
1:14:24unclaimed. And the guy who was running
1:14:28the place, his name was Wingfield. He
1:14:30was the top dog of the Jamestown colony.
1:14:33He said, "Because we come in peace, we
1:14:35will build no walls.
1:14:37We will not have any training in
1:14:39weapons." Well, they were not even there
1:14:41for 2 weeks.
1:14:43The Jamestown colony It even 2 weeks old
1:14:47before the local Indians decided to
1:14:49attack and exterminate the entire
1:14:51colony.
1:14:52And if it hadn't been for an alert
1:14:54colonist who went on board one of the
1:14:56boats the colonists came in and fired
1:14:58off the cannon and panicked the Indians,
1:15:01that would have been the end of the
1:15:03Jamestown colony.
1:15:04And then there were two subsequent
1:15:06occasions over the years after the
1:15:08Jamestown colony was established when
1:15:11the Indians decided, "We've got to try
1:15:13one more time. Get rid of these
1:15:15English." And on the first occasion they
1:15:17killed about 300 of them and on the
1:15:19second occasion they killed about 500.
1:15:22And finally the English got angry and
1:15:24they went on the warpath against the
1:15:26Indians and pretty much exterminated
1:15:27them. But it was strictly a power play.
1:15:31It was not immigration. It was conquest.
1:15:34>> Conquest.
1:15:34>> And the important aspect of it is that
1:15:39the Indians resisted with every possible
1:15:42force they had. They tried to
1:15:44exterminate the English. So this has
1:15:46nothing to do with immigration. This is
1:15:49conquest and resistance to conquest.
1:15:53>> Well,
1:15:54history is a very tricky thing.
1:15:57Um you can look at it and use it for
1:15:59good. You can look at it and use it for
1:16:02evil. Number two, the interpretation of
1:16:04history since it passes from one hand to
1:16:06another and to another and to another.
1:16:08But
1:16:09in my travels and living in many
1:16:11countries, there is something in me
1:16:13that is very stubborn.
1:16:15And I still think that the United States
1:16:18has a unique position.
1:16:20>> Mhm.
1:16:21>> The storm goes up and it always comes
1:16:24down again. I think
1:16:25>> The storm goes up?
1:16:26>> Yeah, the storm would go up. You would
1:16:29think there's an upheaval. You think
1:16:31this is the end of the United States. We
1:16:33had the '60s, the war protest and you
1:16:36know, pacifist versus war. And then we
1:16:38had the hippies movement and then we had
1:16:40the and we thought, "Oh, this is going
1:16:42to be the life of everyone. Uh and the
1:16:44country has a way of calming the storm,
1:16:48whether it's natural, whether it's in
1:16:49build, I'm not sure. But, I think also
1:16:53what we are experiencing today,
1:16:57it's also a phase.
1:17:00And
1:17:01maybe
1:17:02>> Well, certainly nations do go through
1:17:04phases.
1:17:05>> Yes.
1:17:06>> And the United States will survive as a
1:17:09land mass. There's no question about
1:17:11that.
1:17:12>> Right.
1:17:12>> I think that the idea of the United
1:17:14States just completely disappearing is
1:17:17very unlikely. But,
1:17:19what I care about is the survival of my
1:17:21people and my civilization.
1:17:23>> Oh, yes. And I think anyone
1:17:26who is honest enough
1:17:28to hear somebody
1:17:29with these sentiments and being honest
1:17:31about it, and we should encourage these
1:17:35types of discussions. I've always said,
1:17:37it doesn't change it whether you call
1:17:41Jared names like a supremacist and a
1:17:43racist, wouldn't change the fact that
1:17:46what is going to be is going to be.
1:17:49>> And also, the United States today is
1:17:52probably more divided in terms of
1:17:55politics, of race, of culture than at
1:17:58any time since before the Civil War.
1:18:01If you look at the way Democrats and
1:18:04Republicans think about each other, the
1:18:05kinds of motives they attribute to each
1:18:07other, there is a deep deep hostility.
1:18:11>> Yes, there is.
1:18:12>> And if we continue in this way, maybe
1:18:14the United States really will fall
1:18:16apart. I do not anticipate a full-scale
1:18:18civil war of armies meeting in the
1:18:20field. No, that's not going to happen.
1:18:22But,
1:18:23>> the kind of hostility that Democrats
1:18:27feel for Republicans in Congress and
1:18:30locally, this is this is it's never been
1:18:33this bad before in the United States.
1:18:35It's getting worse.
1:18:37How will this be resolved? I really
1:18:39don't know.
1:18:40Donald Trump, of course, is doing some
1:18:43things that I think I would do if I were
1:18:46president, but he is probably the most
1:18:48hated man in American history. I don't
1:18:50think anyone's been hated more.
1:18:53And this is this is not a good thing.
1:18:56Not a good thing. You can't build a
1:18:58society out of groups that are so
1:19:02fundamentally at odds with each other.
1:19:05Hate each other in a hostile A nation
1:19:06cannot survive that way.
1:19:08>> And on that note, ladies and gentlemen,
1:19:10you've heard it like I promised you, I
1:19:12will lead the conversation so you can
1:19:15hear it from the horse's own mouth. I've
1:19:19tried to push back and just get you more
1:19:21out of Jared and I don't think he has
1:19:24disappointed. I've read his books and
1:19:26the guy sounds just like Donald Trump
1:19:29sounded in 1983 about China and about
1:19:32NATO. He has been saying this since he
1:19:34was 54 years old that that's Donald
1:19:36Trump and he said the same thing in
1:19:382016. 35 years ago he said the same
1:19:41things you've heard today in his books.
1:19:42For me I say that is the honesty as much
1:19:45as you can get from anyone. So go to the
1:19:47comment section and let me know what you
1:19:50think for those of you who have read,
1:19:52who have heard straight from the horse's
1:19:53own mouth what you think about
1:19:56Jared Taylor [music]
1:19:57and does he deserve the names he
1:20:01he's called and the pushback and the
1:20:04violence and cancelled in many banks and
1:20:07stuff like that. I want to hear your
1:20:08voice. And if you think [music] that I
1:20:10should bring him back more for more
1:20:11talks
1:20:12like this. We need to repair our
1:20:15relationships in the United States of
1:20:16America. For those of us who are natural
1:20:18citizens, birthright citizens, original
1:20:21citizens, whatever citizenship it is, we
1:20:23need to work to repair it because for
1:20:26now
1:20:28this I think it's one of the most
1:20:31progressive places that you can have a
1:20:33true human right and opportunity in the
1:20:37United States of America. I thank you
1:20:38all guys for watching. This is ZPR, Zanu
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1:20:44Godspeed. Bye.
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