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0:00[Applause]
0:00that brother did preach didn't
0:04he let me say I'm honored to be here
0:07tonight um but let me give you a little
0:09bit of the
0:10backstory Dr Gaines contacted me a while
0:13back and and invited me to come preach
0:16there at his church there in Gardendale
0:19later this summer and uh after that
0:22invitation was sort of extended
0:25tentatively he said I need to check you
0:27out first so what do you do in June
0:3519th so I'm I'm I'm sort of here in view
0:37of a call to see if I'll still be able
0:40to come later this
0:44summer I want to share something with
0:46you tonight that uh is a burden for me
0:50mainly because of the backstory that was
0:52shared with you about my life about my
0:56having come to Faith late in life not
0:58having grown up in church not having
1:01grown up around Christians or around
1:04Christianity I was raised in the project
1:06in South Central Los Angeles by a single
1:08teenage mother who was a practicing
1:10Buddhist and I never heard the gospel
1:12until I got to college and I had
1:15questions numerous
1:18questions questions that needed to be
1:22answered and I met someone who took the
1:26time to answer my questions and the wall
1:30that I want to talk about tonight I is
1:33not necessarily a wall that we usually
1:36think about it's a wall in fact that
1:39hasn't been torn down necessarily by our
1:42adversary but in many instances it's
1:45been torn down by us you see we we
1:48responded to sort of rationalism and
1:51logical positivism and secular humanism
1:54and in responding to those things that
1:57that were that were so he that they led
1:59us away from the passionate pursuit of a
2:02holy God we have come almost full circle
2:06now the pendulum has swung in the other
2:08direction and now in many instances we
2:11have become
2:13anti-intellectual and we've moved Beyond
2:16anti-intellectualism to now we've almost
2:18moved into
2:20mysticism we are at a place where
2:22Theology and Doctrine are bad
2:25words we are at a place where there's a
2:28generation coming up that will believe
2:30anything if you say it with enough
2:33feeling so there is an intellectual wall
2:37that needs to be rebuilt we need to be a
2:40people who continues to love the Lord
2:43Our God with all our heart all our soul
2:45all our
2:48mind and all our strength so I want to
2:51do three things for you tonight one
2:53thing is this I want to answer what I
2:55believe is the most important question
2:57that we can answer in our culture today
3:00and secondly I want to make an
3:01observation about that answer and then
3:04issue a challenge if you would open your
3:06Bibles with me please to the book of
3:07second Peter second Peter chapter 1 let
3:10me give you the question here is the
3:12question that I believe is the most
3:13important question for us to be able to
3:15answer because legitimate questions
3:17deserve legitimate answers Peter says in
3:21First Peter that we are always to be
3:23ready to give an apology an apologia a
3:27reasoned response to anyone who asks us
3:31the reason for the hope that is within
3:33us here's that question that question is
3:36why do you choose to believe the
3:39Bible that's the
3:41question we must be able to answer that
3:43question in our culture today it's a
3:45legitimate question that deserves a
3:47legitimate answer but you see because of
3:49anti-intellectualism we hear that
3:51question and usually we'll say something
3:53like well I believe the Bible cuz cuz I
3:56was raised like
3:58that well bless your Spirit if that's
4:00your
4:02answer but please don't go out of here
4:05and say that to anybody I I I beg you
4:07please don't don't do that because that
4:09is not a reasoned response I was raised
4:13that way just doesn't cut it or
4:16sometimes because we live in this
4:18culture of experientialism sometimes
4:20because of this postmodern culture where
4:22what's true for you was not necessarily
4:24true for me and experience is King there
4:27is another answer with which we have
4:29become accustomed that we think is a
4:31great answer to the question and it goes
4:33something like this why do you choose to
4:35believe the Bible Well I choose to
4:37believe the Bible because I tried it and
4:39it worked for
4:41me we say that and then we sort of back
4:43up a couple of steps you know kind of
4:45let the answer sit
4:47there like we really just did something
4:51you did what you did was open a logical
4:54hole big enough to drive a Mac Truck
4:56through that's what you did because if
4:58your only answer is you believe it cuz
5:00you tried it and it works for you what
5:02about that individual who used to be an
5:04alcoholic 10 years ago and he went to an
5:07AA meeting they told him he need a
5:09higher power he couldn't find a higher
5:10power there was a squirrel that came
5:12outside of his window every morning he
5:14decided that squirrel was going to be
5:16his higher power hadn't had a drink in
5:1810 years guess what he tried the
5:20squirrel the squirrel worked for
5:23him according to your logic his squirrel
5:26has as much Authority as your
5:27Bible and the words of reges fman is
5:30that your final
5:33answer I I hope it's not let let me give
5:36you an answer to that question that I
5:39believe is better than I was raised that
5:42way or it's better than well I'm a
5:44southern baptist and that's the way we
5:46believe or it's better than I tried it
5:49and it works for me I want to tell you
5:51why I choose to believe the Bible
5:53because I don't believe the Bible cuz I
5:54was raised that way cuz I wasn't I I
5:57don't choose to believe the Bible cuz I
5:58tried it and it worked for me my
5:59mother's Buddhism worked for her that's
6:02why she was a Buddhist I need something
6:04more than just because it
6:06works here's the answer I'll give it to
6:09you and I'll unpack it for you I choose
6:11to believe the Bible because it's a
6:12reliable collection of historical
6:14documents written down by eyewitnesses
6:16during the lifetime of other
6:17eyewitnesses they report to us
6:18Supernatural events that took place in
6:20fulfillment of specific prophecies and
6:22claim that their writings are Divine
6:23rather than human in origin
6:26[Applause]
6:32in case you think I just made that
6:35up second Peter chapter 1 beginning at
6:38verse
6:4216 somebody going to come get me when
6:44these lights go
6:47off I'm nervous already light hadn't
6:50even started going off yet all
6:52right for we did not follow cleverly
6:54devised Tales when we made known to you
6:56the power and coming of our Lord Jesus
6:58Christ but we were eyewitnesses of his
7:01majesty for when he received honor and
7:03Glory from God the Father such an
7:04utterance as this was made to him by the
7:07Majestic Glory this is my beloved Son
7:09with whom I am well pleased and we OBS
7:11and we ourselves heard this utterance
7:14made from heaven when we were with him
7:15on the Holy Mountain so we have the
7:17prophetic word made more sure to which
7:19you do well to pay attention as to a
7:21lamp shining in a dark place until the
7:23day Dawns and The Morning Star arises in
7:25your hearts but know this first of all
7:27that no prophecy of scripture is a
7:29matter of one 's own interpretation for
7:31no prophecy was ever made by an act of
7:33human will but men moved by the Holy
7:36Spirit spoke from
7:41God now let's unpack this first of all
7:45the Bible is a reliable collection of
7:46historical documents look at what he
7:48says here in verse 16 for we did not
7:50follow cleverly devised Tales when we
7:52made known to you the power and coming
7:53of our Lord Jesus Christ we did not
7:56follow cleverly devised Tales we did not
7:58follow myths or fairy tales or Legends
8:02we did not follow things that were made
8:05up Luke puts it this way in his prologue
8:08in as much as many have undertaken to
8:10compile an account of the things
8:11accomplished Among Us just as they were
8:13passed down to us by those who were
8:15beforehand eyewitnesses and Servants of
8:18the word it seemed fitting to me having
8:21investigated everything carefully from
8:23the beginning to write it out for you in
8:26consecutive order most excellent
8:28theophilis so that you might believe God
8:30on Blind Faith No so that you might know
8:34the exact truth about the things you
8:37have been taught we have a reliable
8:40collection of historical documents not
8:44myths not fairy tales not Legends this
8:46is not the gilgames Epic here these are
8:49things that actually transpired in
8:52history and were recorded for us not
8:55only do we have a reliable collection of
8:57historical documents but they were
8:58written down by by eyewitnesses during
9:01the lifetime of other eyewitnesses look
9:03at what he says but we were eyewitnesses
9:06of His
9:08Majesty we
9:11saw anybody love crime dramas I I love
9:14crime drama I you know I was a kid I
9:15used to watch Quincy anybody used to
9:17watch Quincy you I growing up you know
9:19nowadays they got this what is it CSI or
9:21whatever everybody's all excited about
9:23CSI CSI is just Quincy on crack that's
9:26all that is y'all
9:31Quincy was the man I mean he figured
9:34that stuff out you know you know what
9:36would mess up an episode of Quincy or
9:39CSI or whatever else you want to watch
9:41if early on you have corroborating
9:44eyewitness testimony you got no mystery
9:46then that's what we have when we read
9:50the Bible corroborating iwitness
9:53testimony turn with me to the right if
9:55you will and look at what John says in
9:58his epistle look at what John says what
10:00was from the beginning what we have
10:02heard what we have seen with our eyes
10:04what we have looked at and touched with
10:05our hands concerning the Word of Life
10:08look at verse two the life was
10:10manifested and we have seen and
10:12testified and proclaimed to you the
10:14eternal life which was with the father
10:16and was manifested to us verse three
10:18what we have seen and heard we Proclaim
10:21to you also
10:24eyewitnesses a reliable collection of
10:26historical documents written down by
10:28eyewitnesses say but I also said during
10:31the lifetime of other eyewitnesses in 1
10:33Corinthians chapter 15 Paul says that
10:36Jesus was resurrected after he was
10:38resurrected he appeared to Peter then he
10:40appeared to the 12 then he appeared to
10:42all the the disciples at once then he
10:44appeared to over 500 Brethren at one
10:47time and he says these words most of
10:49whom remain until now when you do the
10:52math you realize that when First
10:53Corinthians was written there were over
10:55300 eyewitnesses at least of the res
10:59resurrection of Jesus Christ who were
11:01still alive during that time oh I hear
11:05you you're well-educated people you've
11:08heard the arguments yes brother I
11:10understand that but you see what
11:11happened was there were individuals who
11:13came and doctored the Bible up and it's
11:14been translated so many times and it's
11:16been changed so many times and when I
11:18talk to college students some sometimes
11:20they tell me about this myth of these
11:22overzealous monks who went out and
11:23changed the Bible so that things would
11:26match up so that it would look like we
11:28have older documents than we actually
11:30have and in fact and I think they're
11:32really telling me something when they
11:33tell this you know we don't have any of
11:35The
11:38Originals like I'm supposed to Shake in
11:40my boots when they tell me
11:42that listen to me if overzealous monks
11:46want to change the Bible can I explain
11:49to you what they would have had to do
11:51three levels of
11:53conspiracy level number one they would
11:55have had to have a manuscript conspiracy
11:58when we're talking about about just the
11:59New Testament itself there are over
12:016,000 manuscripts or portions of
12:03manuscripts for the New Testament itself
12:06now that may not sound like a lot to you
12:07but can I compare to a couple of things
12:09Julius Caesar's gallic Wars that's how
12:11we know about Julius Caesar and his
12:13Conquest we have around 10 manuscripts
12:16Aristotle's Poetics we have nearly five
12:19manuscripts when it comes to the
12:21writings of Herodotus we have less than
12:2410 manuscripts when it comes to the
12:26writings of Homer less than 10 of each
12:30of his writings when it comes to the New
12:31Testament we have 6,000 manuscripts or
12:35portions of manuscripts for the New
12:37Testament folks that's not even close
12:39well you don't have the originals no we
12:41really don't but guess what we can get
12:43earlier than ad1 120 was some of the
12:46copies that we have when it comes to
12:48juliia Caesar's Galla Wars the earliest
12:50thing we can put our hands on was
12:51written 900 years after the original but
12:54nobody's tearing down the walls in
12:56college because they're reading Caesar
12:58when comes to Aristotle the earliest
13:00thing we can put our hands on was
13:02written
13:031,400 years after the original but when
13:06it comes to the New Testament we can put
13:08our hands on documents that were written
13:10within Decades of The Originals so if
13:13these overzealous monks wanted to doctor
13:15the Bible what they would have to do is
13:17find over 6,000 manuscripts change all
13:22of them not show their ink work get them
13:25all back where they stole them from and
13:28never tell anybody what what they did
13:29that's just level number
13:35one here's level number two Jesus said
13:39go and make disciples of T ethne every
13:41people group funny thing about people
13:43groups they tend to speak different
13:44languages So within the first few
13:46centuries we have the bible translated
13:48into syc Coptic and Latin so now these
13:52overzealous monks have to find 6,000
13:55Greek manuscripts change those doctor
13:58them up don't shut your ink work get
13:59them back go find all the syak Coptic
14:02and Latin translations of those Greek
14:04manuscripts change those to match the
14:06lies that you told in another language
14:09and get those back where you stole them
14:10from and that's just level number two
14:13now you got level number three the early
14:15church fathers had this terrible habit
14:17of writing commentary on the New
14:19Testament so much so that BR Bruce Meer
14:22argues if all we had of the New
14:25Testament was the quotations and
14:27citations by the early church fathers we
14:29could reproduce over 95% of the New
14:32Testament just from their writings so
14:34now these overzealous monks have to find
14:376,000 manuscripts and portions of
14:39manuscripts steal them change them don't
14:42show your ink work get it back without
14:44anybody finding out they got to find
14:45syak Coptic and Latin translations
14:48change those to match the lies that they
14:50told in the 6,000 manuscripts get those
14:53back where they stole them from and then
14:54find all of the writings of all of the
14:57early church fathers ch change those to
15:00match the lies that they told two layers
15:02ago get those put back never tell
15:04anybody what they did and never ever get
15:07caught help you if you believe
15:16that we have a reliable collection of
15:19historical documents written down by
15:22eyewitnesses during the lifetime of
15:25other eyewitnesses so far we just got a
15:27good history book now it gets good
15:29they report to us Supernatural events
15:33look at what he says here verse 17 for
15:36when he received honor and Glory from
15:38God the Father such an utterance as this
15:39was made to him by the Majestic Glory
15:41this is my beloved Son with whom I'm
15:43well pleased and we ourselves heard this
15:45utterance made from heaven when we were
15:47with him on the Holy Mountain now we got
15:49the Mount of
15:50transfiguration now we got Supernatural
15:52events not superhuman
15:55events we have
15:57Supernatural events
16:00stuff you can't get good enough to do
16:02we're not talking about psychosomatic
16:03healings we're talking about a woman
16:05with an issue of blood who is healed
16:08instantly we heard earlier about the man
16:10with a withered hand healed instantly
16:12men who were blind from Birth deaf from
16:15birth mute from birth men who were lame
16:17from birth healed instantly one of my
16:21favorites Jesus tells the disciples
16:24y'all go over to the other side of the
16:25lake I'll meet you
16:31later on on the boat somebody I don't
16:33know who they say hey um did Jesus say
16:37how he was
16:40coming no why cuz he he
16:48[Applause]
16:53coming or my favorite of them all Friday
16:59dead
17:01Sunday
17:08risen we have a reliable collection of
17:11historical documents written down by
17:14eyewitnesses during the lifetime of
17:16other eyewitnesses they report to us
17:20Supernatural events and those events
17:22took place in fulfillment of specific
17:25prophecies we're not talking that
17:27General Nostradamus type stuff
17:29specific prophecies for example when
17:32Jesus is on the cross interestingly when
17:35he's on the cross I don't know let's
17:36just imagine go back shall we if we will
17:39let's go back uh you first century and
17:41we're Jewish people and we probably talk
17:43about our Old Testament maybe we use
17:44Aramaic when we speak to one another and
17:47I want you to open your Bible for
17:49example to Psalm number 22 which is
17:51where we're going here for a moment if I
17:53wanted you to do that I couldn't tell
17:55you to open to Psalm number 22 because
17:58we've only hadap chapters and verses for
17:59a few hundred years if it was the first
18:01century and I was speaking to you in
18:02Aramaic and I wanted you to turn to
18:04Psalm number 22 I would have to tell you
18:06to turn to the title of Psalm number 22
18:09which would have been the first line of
18:10Psalm number 22 so I'd have to tell you
18:13to open your scroll to
18:15Ali or my God my God why have you
18:18forsaken me now that ought to sound
18:20familiar because it's exactly what Jesus
18:22said while he was being crucified I know
18:24you know this but I like it so much
18:27let's do it anyway number 22 verse1 my
18:30God my God why have you forsaken me look
18:32at verse 6 I'm a worm and not a man of
18:35reproach of men and despised by the
18:37people all who see me sneer at me they
18:39separate with the lip they Wag the head
18:41saying commit yourself to the Lord let
18:43him deliver him let him rescue him
18:45because he Delights in him sound
18:46familiar that's what's being said to
18:48Jesus while he's being crucified look at
18:50verse 12 many bulls are surrounded me
18:52strong Bulls of bation have encircled me
18:54they open wide their mouth at me as a
18:55ravening and roaring lion and poured out
18:57like water all my bones are out of joint
18:59my heart is like Wax it is melted within
19:01me
19:03interesting Pierce him in the side
19:05puncture the par cardium blood and water
19:08rush out look at verse 15 my strength is
19:11dried up like pot and my tongue Cleaves
19:13to my jaws how about this wine vinegar
19:15on this sponge Jesus because you did say
19:17I thirst verse 16 dogs have surrounded
19:21me folks that's
19:23Gentiles a band of evildoers has
19:25encompassed me one on the right and one
19:27on the left
19:29they pierc my hands and my feet I can
19:31count all of my bones
19:33why because nobody had to break your
19:36legs to hasten your death they divide my
19:38garments among them and for my clothing
19:40they cast lots folks that was written a
19:42thousand years before Jesus was born it
19:44was written by a man who never once saw
19:46crucifixion in his life because
19:47crucifixion had not yet been
19:51invented that is why Peter can say back
19:55in our passage verse 19 so we have the
19:58prophetic word made more
20:02sure we have a reliable collection of
20:06historical documents written down by
20:09eyewitnesses during the lifetime of
20:12other eyewitnesses they report to us
20:15Supernatural events that took place in
20:17fulfillment of specific
20:19prophecies we just looked at a couple of
20:22examples of that and then here's the
20:24kicker they claim their writings are
20:26Divine rather than human in origin look
20:28down with me verse 20 but know this
20:30first of all that no prophecy of
20:32scripture is a matter of one's own
20:34interpretation for no prophecy was ever
20:36made by an act of human will but men
20:37moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from
20:41God they claimed these are God's words
20:43and not theirs that's why these
20:46prophecies were fulfilled hundreds or
20:50thousands of years afterwards that's why
20:52they use phrases like and thus says the
20:54Lord and the Lord spoke to Moses saying
20:57and God said to Abraham they say these
21:01are God's words and not men's words oh I
21:04hear
21:05you but see that's the problem nobody
21:08wants to believe that because they know
21:09that men wrote the Bible and when we say
21:12it's the word of God they said no it's
21:14the word of men because men took pen to
21:15paper and you cannot trust things that
21:18were written by men that's always
21:19interesting to me you know why cuz back
21:21in school I don't remember anybody you
21:23know in the math class you got something
21:25wrong you know you're supposed to use
21:27Pythagorean theorem there you know that
21:28a squ plus b sare = c sare thing you
21:31know you didn't use Pythagorean theorem
21:33there you got this wrong you can't Mark
21:34me off for that that came out of a math
21:37book a man wrote that math book that
21:39means it's
21:46fallible just because man took pen to
21:49paper doesn't mean you can't trust
21:51what's written the question you ask is
21:54this is what's written reliable is it in
21:58interally consistent is it corroborated
22:01well what's corroboration I don't know
22:04maybe three languages Greek Hebrew
22:06Aramaic three continents Asia Africa
22:08Europe over 40 authors most of whom
22:10never met one another who wrote over a
22:12period of some 1500 years and tell one
22:16singularly woven together story how's
22:18that for
22:25corroboration here's another one and I
22:29just have to admit I like it when people
22:31use this one because there's part of me
22:34that you know I don't like to talk about
22:36Sunday
22:37[Music]
22:38school his name is bad
22:41V try to let him out at least once a
22:44week late at night when nobody's
22:47around he loves this
22:50one when people
22:52say you believe that Bible but I'm a man
22:55of science and unless you can prove it
22:58to me
22:59scientifically I just can't believe that
23:03see at that moment I try to grab on the
23:06bad V and hold him real tight and not
23:08let him
23:09go because I know what he'll do if I let
23:12him go he won't be Christian he just
23:14won't sometimes I think he's not even
23:16saved because of the stuff that he wants
23:18to
23:22say cuz I would be gentle with the
23:25people bad V wouldn't even be gentle
23:27he'd say you
23:34he look at him and he say something like
23:35this listen you don't even deserve to
23:38remain in this argument but I'm going to
23:40let you stay in the argument because I'm
23:42going to like what's about to happen to
23:44you cuz intellectually I'm about to beat
23:46you like a tied up goat so hold on right
23:49where you are all
23:52right how you going to sit here and tell
23:54me you're a man of science and you'd
23:56believe it you know if I you you know
23:58proved it to you scientifically why do
24:00you want me to use the scientific method
24:02do you not realize that you don't use
24:04the scientific method on historical
24:07events that proves you don't even
24:09deserve to be in the argument here's the
24:11scientific method in order to use the
24:13scientific method something has to be
24:15observable measurable and repeatable
24:18folks you can't use the scientific
24:20method to prove that George Washington
24:21was our first president why because his
24:24presidency is not observable measurable
24:27and repeatable see they messed around
24:28let me go to
24:35school you don't use the scientific
24:38method there you have to use a more
24:41evidentiary method there so what you do
24:43is like what we do in a courtroom you
24:45say do we have any eyewitnesses well I
24:48just told you we got some of those do
24:51the eyewitnesses tell the same story yep
24:54Friday dead Sunday risen
24:57[Applause]
25:04they say something's going to happen and
25:06it happens exactly the way they
25:10said you see we have
25:14no external evidence that would argue
25:17against the Bible's claim to be the word
25:19of God
25:22none so the real intelligent thing to do
25:27is to believe what it says
25:29so I don't choose to believe the Bible
25:31just cuz I was raised that way I wasn't
25:35I don't choose to believe the Bible just
25:37cuz I tried it and it works for
25:39me I choose to believe the Bible now say
25:42this with me if you will because it is a
25:45reliable collection of historical
25:47documents written down by eyewitnesses
25:50during the lifetime of other
25:51eyewitnesses they report Supernatural
25:54events that took place in fulfillment of
25:56specific prophecies and claim that their
25:58writings are Divine rather than human in
26:00origin I told you I wanted to do three
26:02things number one I wanted to answer
26:04this question that I believe is a
26:06pertinent question in our culture that
26:07we have to be able to answer it's a
26:09legitimate question that deserves a
26:11legitimate answer secondly I told you I
26:13wanted to make an observation Pastors in
26:15the room listen to
26:17me I just shared an expository
26:20sermon I preached the text in its
26:24context I did not try to be more
26:26creative than God
26:36it's what I like to call expository
26:39apologetics the Bible answers every
26:43relevant question all scripture is God
26:47breathed and profitable for teaching
26:48rebuking correcting training in
26:51righteousness all of it his divine power
26:54has given us everything we need for life
26:56and godliness to our knowledge of him
26:57who called us by by his own glory and
26:59Excellence here's what I'm worried about
27:01there's a lot of us who believe in the
27:03inherency of scripture but some of us
27:05Don't Preach like we believe in the
27:07sufficiency of
27:11scripture don't let anybody tell you
27:14that Exposition is a thing of the past I
27:16hope I didn't bore you because a lot of
27:18people say Exposition is boring I hope
27:20you weren't
27:21bored a lot of people say Exposition is
27:24irrelevant I I believe I just answered
27:27what I would argue is the most relevant
27:28question that our culture is asking and
27:31did it verse by verse precept upon
27:33precept line upon line which brings me
27:35to the third thing and that's the
27:38challenge we have got to teach the
27:41people of God number one that the Bible
27:46has the answer and number two how to
27:50learn it and give it anybody who can
27:53memorize this passage of scripture in
27:55its
27:56context can learn how to give the answer
27:59that I just gave you
28:02anybody anybody folks that's why that's
28:06why we wrote the ever loving truth
28:07that's why I wrote the ever loving Truth
28:09Bible study that's what it's all about
28:11for people to get this into their minds
28:14so that when somebody asks them a
28:16question like why do you choose to
28:17believe the Bible they don't have to
28:19Fumble around and hym in the hall they
28:21don't have to give some lame answer like
28:23you know I was raised that way or I
28:25tried it and it works for me they can
28:27look people in the eye like a young lady
28:29from Dartmouth College where I was
28:30teaching
28:32this who looked a science professor of
28:34hers in the eye and for the first time
28:37in her life felt confident enough to
28:39speak up in the classroom and looked at
28:42him and said well sir I choose to
28:44believe the Bible because it's a
28:45reliable collection of historical
28:47documents written down by eyewitnesses
28:49during the lifetime of other
28:50eyewitnesses they report Supernatural
28:53events that took place in fulfillment of
28:54specific prophecies and claimed that
28:56their writings are Divine rather than
28:58human in origin and by the way if you
29:00want to you can put some gravy on top of
29:01it I tried it worked for me

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