YT YouTube2Text

YouTube2Text → Transcripts → Why Don't We Talk About Men's Rights? | Marc Angelucci | Outtakes from "The Red Pill"

Why Don't We Talk About Men's Rights? | Marc Angelucci | Outtakes from "The Red Pill" — Transcript

by Cassie Jaye · 2,518 words · 370 segments · language en · Watch on YouTube

Open in transcriber Summarize with AI Download SRT/VTT

Full transcript

0:05[Music]
0:15why do you think men's issues have been
0:18ignored for so long um I think there are
0:22a number of reasons why men's issues
0:24have been ignored for a long time and
0:26one of them is simply that men are
0:29conditioned not to complain as much
0:31especially if it's about a gender issue
0:33because we have an expected role to play
0:36and it's kind of a chivalrous role it's
0:39a role that takes on responsibility and
0:42when we complain that we're being
0:44discriminated against based on our
0:46gender it looks kind of wimpy it's not
0:48something we're conditioned to do in
0:51fact it's something we're conditioned to
0:53accept we register for the draft when we
0:56turn 18 and we're not supposed to be
0:58questioning the the gender aspect of
1:00that we generally know that fathers
1:04don't get as good a deal in Family Court
1:06and we don't really complain about it
1:08until it happens to us and even then a
1:10lot of men don't we've been conditioned
1:14to believe some of these gender roles
1:15are good we've can when we hear about
1:20gender discrimination it's 99% of the
1:23time we're only hear about women so
1:25we're not educated about a lot of these
1:27things for example we never hear about
1:30how men were excluded from the forced
1:33labor convention of 1930 for years the
1:37the the the forced labor convention was
1:40an international treaty that that banned
1:42slavery and forced servitude but it made
1:45an exception for able-bodied males ages
1:4818 to 45 and eventually they got rid of
1:53that but there was still an exemption
1:56for prisoners and military which is 90
1:59percent male so it went from explicit
2:02discrimination to implicit just like
2:04often does even with male victims we
2:07don't hear about that we don't we don't
2:10hear about sentencing disparities the
2:13the Commission's on
2:15sex discrimination in the law for
2:18instance the Commission on the
2:19elimination of bias in the law doesn't
2:21talk about these things I've never seen
2:24them do it those are some reasons other
2:28reasons are simply that we look up and
2:30we see most of the people in government
2:32positions and corporate heads are men
2:35and historically there's been these laws
2:39and cultural norms that put men in
2:41charge and say your job males is to do
2:45this and to sort of put women were to be
2:49pacified and and subordinated you know
2:53or the marital laws the old laws said
2:56that the woman was almost essentially
2:59the property of the man so we hear about
3:01these things and then when we hear about
3:03discrimination against men we tend to go
3:05we tend to laugh at it what are you
3:07talking about men have controlled
3:08everything and I think that's changing
3:12now what we're hearing from the feminist
3:15movement is different from what you'd
3:16hear from them twenty or thirty years
3:18ago twenty thirty years ago just like
3:20they would deny there are a lot of
3:21battered men and that they would deny
3:23that there's discrimination against men
3:24now you're hearing more yes there is but
3:27it's men's fault it's the fault of the
3:29patriarchy and it has nothing to do with
3:31feminism my position on that and the
3:36position of a lot of men's rights
3:37activists I want to speak for all of
3:39them but a lot of them is that you have
3:42to you have to look at this in a larger
3:46perspective patriarchy is the result of
3:49gender roles and not not the vice versa
3:52gender roles put men and women in in
3:55places and they expect women to be like
3:58this and men to be like that and so what
4:00we call patriarchy is men giving in to
4:03the expected roles that they're supposed
4:06to give into and many of those roles are
4:08very harmful a very you know time
4:11consuming very stressful working
4:13exceptionally long hours difficult hours
4:17dangerous jobs getting killed on the job
4:19even politics a lot of people described
4:22as as masochism very stressful on people
4:26so that's one thing we need to think
4:28about but also just because men are the
4:31ones for instance writing the laws in
4:34general doesn't mean that the laws are
4:36protecting men we can go all the way
4:40back to Sparta to learn that it was
4:42mostly men in charge but what would they
4:43do if a boy was born without the exact
4:46right specifications he would be killed
4:48it was not something that was
4:50necessarily benefiting men men in power
4:53frequently discriminate against men male
4:55judges I I'm willing to believe they
4:58discriminate against father more than
4:59female judges I haven't seen statistics
5:02on that but I believe it
5:06so just because men are in power doesn't
5:10mean the discrimination is not there and
5:13when when for instance an
5:15african-american police officer racially
5:18profiled african-american males that is
5:21still discrimination and the black
5:23community gets angry about it just as
5:26much as if it was a white officer maybe
5:29not as angry but they still get very
5:30angry about it they challenged it they
5:32pointed out just because the
5:35discriminate discriminator happens to be
5:37black does not mean it's okay there I
5:40often ask people who make that argument
5:43what about female genital mutilation
5:44that is frequently encouraged by mothers
5:48in those cultures but that doesn't mean
5:50it's not a woman's rights issue
5:51it still is if if men are writing laws
5:54that discriminate against men that is
5:56still a men's rights issue
5:58I don't believe blaming women is the
6:00answer I also don't believe denying
6:03feminists feminism's responsibility for
6:06it is the answer either I think that
6:10when feminism says that they have no
6:13part in any of this I think they're not
6:15being honest about it
6:17I don't blame feminism for all of it but
6:20I think they've had a role in it they've
6:22written laws that discriminate against
6:24men they fought to protect those those
6:26laws particularly in domestic violence
6:28areas every time and they wrote that
6:31that statute that I challenged and for
6:34many many years second wave feminism
6:37would go through the statutes and she
6:39change everything that was gender
6:41specific to something gender-neutral
6:42unless it was something that benefitted
6:45women like the domestic violence laws
6:46they didn't change those other types of
6:52areas like fathers in prison their
6:54statutes that specifically give mothers
6:56certain benefits that fathers in prison
6:59don't have and I challenged that as well
7:01legally but we didn't win on that one
7:02because we didn't have a father in
7:05prison
7:06it was hard to find them first of all
7:08and we didn't have one who met the
7:10qualifications of those programs you
7:12have to be the primary caretaker of your
7:15child and all that eventually we'll find
7:17one but it's hardly I can't go into all
7:21the prisons and look for them but every
7:25time men's rights groups try to pass
7:27joint custody legislation feminist
7:30groups fight them they fought thus they
7:33fought us on paternity fraud in Sweden
7:35they tried to create a man tax I mean
7:39there's in India the men's rights
7:41movement is trying to get the rape laws
7:43to include male victims and the feminist
7:47groups apparently are fighting that I'm
7:49not saying all feminists are this way
7:51but I think the ones who are affecting
7:55public policy who have the lobbying
7:57power I think they are I know a number
8:00of feminists who aren't who don't who
8:03believe in men's rights and I think it's
8:04increasing but there's a lot the the
8:09lack of awareness out there about men's
8:12rights issues and the men's rights
8:14movement is amazing the type of
8:17reactions you're getting today about the
8:19men's rights movement are the kind you
8:21would get 15 years ago when you talk
8:23about fathers rights and that has
8:25changed if I mentioned father's rights
8:2715 years ago when I was in law student
8:29law soon people wouldn't like it people
8:31would say oh you mean the ones who don't
8:33want to pay child support that has
8:36changed now when you say father's rights
8:39you're gonna have a divided room you
8:41have some people who very sympathetic to
8:43it and you're not going to have that
8:45immediate reaction of scorn and I think
8:48the men's rights movement will evolve
8:50that way too but it's gonna take a
8:53much longer about because it involves
8:55much more than just fathers and you're
9:00seeing the backlash a lot like on the
9:02university campuses there are people
9:05trying to form men's rights groups on
9:07the campus and they get a lot of
9:08backlash they could call names just like
9:11what happened in Canada I believe is in
9:13Toronto with a voice for a man
9:16I don't always agree with the approach
9:19of of all men's rights activists
9:22sometimes I think you know we don't all
9:26agree with each other's approach I I
9:28have always taken a progressive approach
9:30to it I try and leave politics out
9:32because I work with people from both the
9:35right and the left and I've always
9:36fought to keep the national coalition
9:38for men politically neutral for example
9:42but it's hard because you have people
9:45from both camps in it and I've been to
9:48think eventually as the movement grows
9:50it might divide politically you might
9:53start having groups that say we are
9:55outspokenly
9:56left-leaning progressive men's rights
9:58activist and we are outspoken ly
10:01conservative it might happen I've often
10:04thought that it might because as it
10:07grows I think that it might be
10:09inevitable I don't know but that's
10:13something that I just I think it needs
10:15to there needs to be more awareness and
10:17we do need to be cautious how we present
10:20ourselves we absolutely have to the we
10:24are not about for instance it's probably
10:25the most controversial issue is rape and
10:29very frequently when we talk about false
10:31accusations we get immediately shot down
10:34as well we're downplaying the
10:36seriousness of rape or saying that just
10:38because a woman was drunk it was okay to
10:40rape her
10:40or that kind of thing which is not at
10:42all over saying we're saying being drunk
10:47and having sex and then regretting it is
10:49not rape some college campuses are
10:53expanding their definitions to such a
10:56point where it would include that
10:58universities are increasingly starting
11:00to kick men out on an AK easy
11:02alone like what we saw at Duke
11:05University that's just one example there
11:07we're reading of more and more of those
11:09where that kind of one-sided dialogue
11:12where how dare you challenge and talk
11:15about false accusations creates this
11:21atmosphere where when one is just
11:23accused you're gonna have mobs of people
11:25outside their homes like the Duke
11:26players they're gonna be kicked off the
11:29team they're gonna have a bunch of
11:31academic professors signing a
11:34declaration about the issue they're
11:36gonna be ostracized and vilified and
11:39then one once if they're ever found
11:42innocent then well you know I kind of
11:45that's that was seen as just a minor
11:48exception I think with rape we need a
11:50balanced dialogue I know the statistics
11:53on false accusations are very
11:55controversial they're more controversial
11:58than the domestic violence ones because
11:59they vary more and that's simply because
12:02false accusations are very hard to
12:04measure
12:04unlike domestic violence where you can
12:06just you can survey the population and
12:09get answers and then look for
12:11consistency in your different results
12:14with false accusations how do you
12:17measure it how do you you know if you
12:19look at just the ones that are proven
12:21false you're gonna get the FBI has has
12:25said that's about nine percent and some
12:27people will dispute that but I've read
12:29the FBI report it says nine percent
12:32coming from police agencies have been
12:33found false but that's very conservative
12:36in my opinion because I don't think the
12:38majority of them are found proven false
12:40I think the majority just get buried
12:42with the others that were perhaps
12:45considered unsubstantiated but not
12:47proven false I do agree there's there's
12:51probably a lot of rapes that don't get
12:53reported but that doesn't mean there
12:56aren't a significant number of false
12:57accusations
12:58the statistics range from that nine
13:01percent figure some people say less but
13:03I would say the nine percent is probably
13:05the lowest to as high as sixty percent
13:07done by an Air Force study back in
13:10nineteen eighty five that's
13:11controversial in its
13:13in its methods I think but whatever they
13:17are studying in in in India found it was
13:2018% there are others found around 30%
13:24whatever it is even if it is nine or ten
13:26or five whatever it is it needs to be
13:29talked about it you know the Brian banks
13:32story if you've heard of that is he
13:35Brian banks was a football player of a
13:39star football player in his high school
13:41and he was about to be drafted to USC I
13:45think it was USC that was gonna take him
13:47and then he was accused of rape and as a
13:52result of that he he plea bargained he
13:56wound up spending about five years in
13:58jail until the accuser came out and
14:01admitted that it never happened and
14:04there in fact was very little evidence
14:06except her accusation and since then
14:09he's been released and he was on 60
14:12minutes and he's so things like that or
14:15in the Duke case will happen and will
14:17raise awareness but there's still
14:21tremendous backlash on the campuses when
14:23you try to talk about it and those are
14:25those are so that's probably the most
14:27controversial issue in in men's rights
14:29advocacy in my opinion domestic violence
14:33you're starting you're seeing more and
14:34more awareness about male victims and
14:37false accusations you're seeing it's
14:39lightening up father's custody rights I
14:42think it's it's all a very slow process
14:44but we are seeing awareness as late as
14:47the 1970s Bar Association's were still
14:51telling advising judges to not give
14:55custody to men and I think one of the
14:58worst was Minnesota there's a Time
15:01magazine article about that no it was
15:05just advice but it still it was shows
15:07the mentality at that time that's it
15:12we're seeing that change but I still
15:15think that there is a bias there and
15:17this kind of bias gets is hard to put
15:21your finger on because it's buried in a
15:24number of other factors that men work
15:26more
15:27more hours outside the home so it's
15:29harder to be a primary caretaker they
15:31might not have been the primary
15:32caretaker throughout the marriage so
15:34right throughout the relationship or the
15:37child's life so you know the course used
15:40that as the reason to to give them less
15:43time and that's a debatable issue but I
15:47think sometimes the gender bias gets
15:49buried in that and I've seen it what I
15:51believe to be quite obvious examples of
15:55it but yeah I'm sorry every time you ask
16:00question I just round oh okay I'm sure
16:03you can agree this is all fascinating
16:06you
16:11[Music]

About this transcript

This page contains the full transcript of Why Don't We Talk About Men's Rights? | Marc Angelucci | Outtakes from "The Red Pill" by Cassie Jaye, generated from the public captions YouTube serves with the video. The transcript has 2,518 words across 370 segments, with the original timestamps preserved so you can click any line to jump to that moment in the embedded player.

What you can do with it

Use the transcript to take notes, quote the speaker, build a study guide, generate a summary with ChatGPT or Claude via the YouTube Summary tool, or export it as a timed subtitle file with YouTube to SRT. You can also re-open it in the transcriber to translate the transcript into 100+ languages.

Free YouTube transcript tool

YouTube2Text is a free YouTube transcript generator — no signup, no daily limit. Paste any YouTube link and get the full transcript instantly, with timestamps, click-to-jump, translation to 100+ languages, AI prompts for ChatGPT, Claude, and Gemini, and exports to TXT, SRT, VTT, or Markdown.