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Why did the Last Waltz Lead to The Band’s Fallout? — Transcript

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  1. 0:00In 1977, the band sat around a table
  2. 0:03with their managers and accountants
  3. 0:05discussing their uncertain future. While
  4. 0:07Robbie Robertson was looking to buy out
  5. 0:09his bandmate shares, they pitched yet
  6. 0:11another money-making scheme that one
  7. 0:14accountant declares a genius idea. That
  8. 0:16was the breaking point for Levon Helm.
  9. 0:18He shot to his feet, eyes blazing.
  10. 0:21Genius my there ain't a genius within
  11. 0:23walking distance of this
  12. 0:24self-infactuated crowd. He cussed them
  13. 0:26out to the point he had to leave town
  14. 0:28immediately. Speaking about them, he
  15. 0:30says, "They put the IRS after me. That's
  16. 0:33what kind of people we're talking about
  17. 0:34here." Not more than a year later, the
  18. 0:37recording studio named Shanganger,
  19. 0:39located in Malibu, California, [music]
  20. 0:41was being shut down. Richard Emanuel had
  21. 0:44been living out of one of the bungalows
  22. 0:45on the property when management tried to
  23. 0:47get him to move out. He didn't have
  24. 0:49anywhere else to go [music] and
  25. 0:50continued to stay as they shut off the
  26. 0:52phone and then the gas. Levonne stopped
  27. 0:55by to check on him one night when he
  28. 0:57finds Richard cooking minute steaks on
  29. 0:59an upside down clothes iron. He
  30. 1:02describes the scene in his
  31. 1:03autobiography. The thing was set on
  32. 1:05cotton. Richard would drop a pad of
  33. 1:07butter on the hot iron, slap on a steak,
  34. 1:10flip it over, drop another butter pat,
  35. 1:13and eat it right off the grill, so to
  36. 1:15speak. When they finally get him out of
  37. 1:16there, it took them a couple of days to
  38. 1:18clean out the 2,000 Grand bottles they
  39. 1:21found. Today, people tell me all the
  40. 1:23time how [music] much they love The Last
  41. 1:25Waltz. I try to thank them politely and
  42. 1:27usually refrain from mentioning that for
  43. 1:29me, it was a real scandal. But Robbie
  44. 1:33Robertson sees it completely
  45. 1:35differently, describing it in his
  46. 1:37posthumis memoir as the greatest [music]
  47. 1:39music film of all time. He details the
  48. 1:42two years he spent living with Martin
  49. 1:43Scorsesei, making the film as a labor of
  50. 1:46love mixed with a lot of debauchery. So,
  51. 1:49how is it that two band members that
  52. 1:50once considered themselves brothers
  53. 1:53could come away with completely
  54. 1:54different perspectives on the same
  55. 1:56experience [music] that concluded their
  56. 1:5816-year journey. I'll present you both
  57. 2:00sides and allow you [music] to decide
  58. 2:02why they felt so differently and how
  59. 2:04that led to the band's demise.
  60. 2:07The band was a traveling group called
  61. 2:09the Hawks and were playing gigs on the
  62. 2:11road all over the US and Canada for 8
  63. 2:13years before meeting Bob Dylan. Levon
  64. 2:16describes their lifestyle like this. I
  65. 2:18was the road. It was my life and I was
  66. 2:20living it to the hilt and beyond. We may
  67. 2:22have had a hard time getting credit
  68. 2:24cards and insurance, but we felt freer
  69. 2:26than anyone else in the land. As we
  70. 2:28crisscross province, prairie, and state,
  71. 2:30we didn't have to answer to anybody. It
  72. 2:32was the kind of life where if you had a
  73. 2:34problem today, you could be 500 miles
  74. 2:36away from it the next day. But Levon
  75. 2:39left that lifestyle he loved so much
  76. 2:41when they were touring with Bob Dylan
  77. 2:43during his contentious tour in ' 65 when
  78. 2:46they were booed, had things thrown at
  79. 2:48them, and caused an uproar everywhere
  80. 2:50they went. He says he was too sensitive
  81. 2:52to bear it, but the other guy stuck it
  82. 2:54out and followed Bob to Woodstock where
  83. 2:56he basically taught them how to write
  84. 2:57songs.
  85. 3:02>> [music and singing]
  86. 3:04>> Levonne gets the call from Rick in late
  87. 3:06' 67 when they finally get a record
  88. 3:08contract [music] and he returns to the
  89. 3:10band in Woodstock. He discovers they
  90. 3:12have developed miles beyond where they
  91. 3:14were when [music] he left them 2 years
  92. 3:15earlier. Richard tells Levon how they'd
  93. 3:17been working with Bob since March when
  94. 3:19he started coming by every day at the
  95. 3:22same time and they would go downstairs
  96. 3:23into their makeshift studio in the
  97. 3:25basement and play music they felt like
  98. 3:27playing or songs they had just written.
  99. 3:29Richard says to Levon, "It's like real
  100. 3:31work."
  101. 3:33Bob and Rick wrote This Wheels on Fire,
  102. 3:35while Richard and Bob wrote Tears of
  103. 3:37Rage. Robbie had always been writing
  104. 3:39songs since he joined the Hawks when
  105. 3:40[music] they were teenagers.
  106. 3:42and watching Bob, helping Bob construct
  107. 3:46some songs. Uh, everybody got a better
  108. 3:49idea of how to put a song together and
  109. 3:53and learned that there wasn't any set
  110. 3:56formula. A song could happen from a
  111. 3:58groove or from a from an idea, from a
  112. 4:02title, uh, from a story. And from doing
  113. 4:05that, uh, a lot of, uh, good
  114. 4:08arrangements came from that. a lot of
  115. 4:10musical ideas and just uh us living our
  116. 4:12lives, you know, just uh establishing
  117. 4:15some some little life rules. It was an
  118. 4:19incredible time period.
  119. 4:21>> Around this time, there was a reaction
  120. 4:23to the unrest in the country and a
  121. 4:25movement towards what Levon described as
  122. 4:27country values. [music] And that's why
  123. 4:29the band sound hit the spot with so many
  124. 4:31fed up with the age of Aquarius music by
  125. 4:3468. The Hawks were coming up with new
  126. 4:36ideas for band names [music] when Levon
  127. 4:38suggested the Honkys. But in Woodstock,
  128. 4:40they'd become so beloved where they were
  129. 4:42known as Bob Dylan's band that when
  130. 4:43people asked about them, they'd say, "Is
  131. 4:45the band in town?" And that's the name
  132. 4:47that stuck. So when their album started
  133. 4:49coming out, they began to notice that
  134. 4:51the writing credits were mostly listed
  135. 4:53as J.R. Robertson instead of the actual
  136. 4:55band member who Levon says wrote the
  137. 4:57[music] songs. They thought that was
  138. 4:58kind of funny, but were so caught up in
  139. 5:00their newfound success that they barely
  140. 5:02mentioned it. Their producer, John
  141. 5:04Simon, says, "In those days, that's how
  142. 5:06it was done. If there was a group, one
  143. 5:08guy tended to write [music] the songs
  144. 5:09and get credit for them. It kept things
  145. 5:11relatively simple that way. But Levon
  146. 5:14saw Richard as the [music] main
  147. 5:15songwriter with him and Rick and Robbie
  148. 5:17also writing some songs. He thought by
  149. 5:19the second album it would get corrected.
  150. 5:20[music]
  151. 5:21And when the songs got credited to
  152. 5:23Robertson, he approached Robbie, who had
  153. 5:25become close with their manager, Albert
  154. 5:27Gman. [music] Robbie assures him that
  155. 5:29everything will work out with the
  156. 5:30royalties once Albert builds a new
  157. 5:32state-of-the-art studio for them to
  158. 5:34record in as they pleased. Levon points
  159. 5:36out that the royalty changes never
  160. 5:38materialized. Around this same time,
  161. 5:41they are being referred [music] to by
  162. 5:42critics as the best band in America and
  163. 5:44enjoying a great deal of fame as [music]
  164. 5:46they begin to work on their third album,
  165. 5:48Stage Fright. Levon says this is when
  166. 5:50the stage is being set [music] for the
  167. 5:52last walts, despite owing the record
  168. 5:54company eight more albums.
  169. 5:56Kane is a name and [music and singing] I
  170. 5:58served on the train.
  171. 6:01>> He describes the crowd at Woodstock
  172. 6:03Music Festival as real tired and real
  173. 6:05unhealthy, saying as soon as they were
  174. 6:07done playing, they got out of there.
  175. 6:09Albert Gman refused their movie rights
  176. 6:11to the documentary in exchange for their
  177. 6:13fee, so they were not in the film. As a
  178. 6:15result,
  179. 6:17in July 1973, they played a festival in
  180. 6:20Watkins Glenn, New York with the
  181. 6:22Grateful Dead and the Almond Brothers
  182. 6:23band to a quarter of a million people.
  183. 6:25Richard [music] describes it as a hell
  184. 6:27of a lot better than Woodstock and
  185. 6:28Levonne says, "It is burned in my
  186. 6:30memory." In 1974, they joined back up
  187. 6:33with Bob Dylan for a tour, and this time
  188. 6:35they were met with a completely
  189. 6:37different response [music] than the
  190. 6:38animosity of 1965, just 9 years earlier.
  191. 6:42Levon tells of the electricity when
  192. 6:44Dylan entered the stage. [music] We
  193. 6:46understood that people were excited by
  194. 6:47Bob's comeback after a long public
  195. 6:49absence, [music] but we were astounded
  196. 6:51anyway when he walked on stage in the
  197. 6:53darkened hall in Chicago and [music] saw
  198. 6:55the entire audience stand and hold up
  199. 6:58flaring lighters in a roar of tribute to
  200. 7:00Bob. He says the normally stoic Dylan is
  201. 7:02moved to the point of not being able to
  202. 7:05face the crowd. They perform the same
  203. 7:07songs they played in ' 65, but with a
  204. 7:09completely different response. The album
  205. 7:11of the tour went on to become their
  206. 7:13legendary live album, Before the Flood.
  207. 7:21>> In 1976, after finishing a concert at
  208. 7:24Stanford with the Flying Burrito
  209. 7:25Brothers, Robbiey's daughter's been
  210. 7:27born, and the band was seeing less and
  211. 7:29less of each other. Rick signed a solo
  212. 7:31record deal because he couldn't take
  213. 7:32being so Still while Richard was
  214. 7:34recovering from a neck injury. Robbie
  215. 7:36tells Levon he is ready to hang it up
  216. 7:38and stop touring. He wants to spend more
  217. 7:40time with his family. Levon couldn't
  218. 7:42understand this and thought he was
  219. 7:43joking initially, but he wasn't. Robbie
  220. 7:45goes on to tell Levon of his worries
  221. 7:47about being on the road and that it was
  222. 7:48too dangerous after their friend had
  223. 7:50died in an airplane crash, [music] as
  224. 7:52well as other musicians who had lost
  225. 7:53their lives on the road, saying, "Do we
  226. 7:55have to spend the rest of our lives on
  227. 7:57the road, man, until we can't stand each
  228. 7:59other like Sam and Dave, man?" Effing
  229. 8:01knife fights in the dressing room. They
  230. 8:03soon get word from management in
  231. 8:04September that their final show will be
  232. 8:06in San Francisco where they launched the
  233. 8:08band and [music] it would be a
  234. 8:09star-studded event with everyone who
  235. 8:11influenced them throughout the years.
  236. 8:13And that was that. It was decided for
  237. 8:15them. Levon says they were nowhere near
  238. 8:17being ready to stop touring, especially
  239. 8:19after those monumental life concerts
  240. 8:22they had leading up to this. Levon meets
  241. 8:24with Robbie in early October to protest
  242. 8:26the breakup of the band. He describes
  243. 8:28Robbie as barely able to open his eyes
  244. 8:30as he'd been up all night producing a
  245. 8:32Neil Diamond album. Levonne says they
  246. 8:34will go on as the band without him as
  247. 8:36Robbie responds they would stop them
  248. 8:38legally. This is when he catches wind
  249. 8:40that the final concert will also be
  250. 8:42filmed for a documentary. The concert
  251. 8:44and a feast scheduled for Thanksgiving
  252. 8:46Day, November 25th, 1976 at the
  253. 8:49Winterland Ballroom in San Francisco
  254. 8:52features an extraordinary lineup of
  255. 8:54guest musicians. They had everyone lined
  256. 8:56up and agreed to play, including Ronnie
  257. 8:58Hawkins, Dr. John Neil Young, Neil
  258. 9:00Diamond, Joanie Mitchell, Muddy Waters,
  259. 9:03Paul Butterfield, Van Morrison, Ringo
  260. 9:05Star, Ron Wood, and Bob Dylan. Warner
  261. 9:08Brothers agrees to put them on a
  262. 9:09retainer for $2,000 a week each
  263. 9:12throughout the process along [music]
  264. 9:13with rights to the film. Levon says he
  265. 9:15was completely against the film and
  266. 9:17didn't understand why someone like Neil
  267. 9:19Diamond would be included because he has
  268. 9:21absolutely nothing to do with the band.
  269. 9:22He was informed that Robbie had just
  270. 9:24produced his album and wanted to perform
  271. 9:26a couple of their songs. Levon says the
  272. 9:28film was more or less shoved down their
  273. 9:30throats and would be done live with one
  274. 9:32take. Levonne recalls that they went to
  275. 9:34Mo O at Warner Brothers and asked for
  276. 9:36the money to shoot the film. Oon is
  277. 9:38reluctant and only agrees to it if Bob
  278. 9:40Dylan agrees to be in the film. So they
  279. 9:42go to Bob and ask him and he doesn't
  280. 9:44want to do it because he has been
  281. 9:46finishing up his Ronaldo and Clara film
  282. 9:48from the Rolling Thunder tour and didn't
  283. 9:50want to compete with himself. But
  284. 9:51according to Levon, Robbie and
  285. 9:53management tell Oston that Bob did agree
  286. 9:55to be in the film. So he fronted them
  287. 9:57$1.5 million to make it. They go back
  288. 10:00and forth and Bob keeps saying, "I don't
  289. 10:02know, man. I need to talk to
  290. 10:03management." Clearly hoping they will
  291. 10:05let it go. So all the way up to the day
  292. 10:07of the concert, they still don't have
  293. 10:09his agreement to be in the film. There
  294. 10:10are nine cameras set up pointing
  295. 10:12directly at the stage, mind you. At 6:00
  296. 10:14p.m., the doors open as people who pay
  297. 10:17$25 enjoy a feast of 220 turkeys, 500 lb
  298. 10:21of cranberry [music] sauce, 90 gallons
  299. 10:24of brown gravy, a ton of candied yams,
  300. 10:26800 lb of minced meat, 6,000 rolls, and
  301. 10:30400 gallons of cider. The stuffing was
  302. 10:32made of 500 lb of onions and [music]
  303. 10:34celery, 70 bunches of parsley, and 16
  304. 10:37quarts of herbs sauteed in 100 lb of
  305. 10:39butter. And if you didn't eat meat, you
  306. 10:41could sample some of the 400 pounds of
  307. 10:43fresh salmon and then get up to dance to
  308. 10:45a 38piece orchestra encouraged by three
  309. 10:48teams of professional ballroom dancers.
  310. 10:53[music]
  311. 10:57>> The concert began around 900 p.m. as the
  312. 10:59band played their most popular songs
  313. 11:01before any of the guest performers came
  314. 11:03on stage. Bob arrives during the first
  315. 11:05half of the show and goes directly into
  316. 11:07his dressing room. About 15 minutes
  317. 11:09before he was set to go on stage, he
  318. 11:11tells them he doesn't want to be in the
  319. 11:13film. Robbie went totally pale and
  320. 11:15Scorsesei went berserk. Without him,
  321. 11:17there was no film and they would have to
  322. 11:19pay the money back. Everyone kept going
  323. 11:21in trying to get him to change his mind,
  324. 11:23but it was Bill Graham who said, "That's
  325. 11:25it. I'm going to get him to do it." He
  326. 11:26entered the dressing room as everyone
  327. 11:28waited, holding their breath. Bill
  328. 11:30finally emerges with five minutes left
  329. 11:32before stage time and says Bob agrees to
  330. 11:34be in it, but only for two songs.
  331. 11:40[music and singing]
  332. 11:44>> By 3:00 a.m., the last Waltz was over.
  333. 11:46It was one of those nights Levon says
  334. 11:48you didn't want to let go of.
  335. 11:54Don't you break my heart.
  336. 11:57>> The following February 1977, Robbie
  337. 12:00Robertson had [music] been asked by his
  338. 12:02wife to leave their home. He briefly
  339. 12:03stayed in a room at Shangerla Recording
  340. 12:06Studio before winding up at Martin
  341. 12:08Scorsese's house on Mahalland where he
  342. 12:10was invited to move in as Marty's
  343. 12:12[music] wife had also recently moved
  344. 12:14out, leaving both men newly single with
  345. 12:16a film to finish. He describes trying to
  346. 12:18explain to the guys in the band all that
  347. 12:20it took to make a film and saying they
  348. 12:22understood it to the best of their
  349. 12:24ability. He cites Richard Emanuel's
  350. 12:26drinking problem as why they needed to
  351. 12:28get off the road. Robbie recalls in his
  352. 12:30latest memoir, Insomnia, [music] "I was
  353. 12:32tired of pulling the train up the hill,
  354. 12:34tired of trying to figure out what to do
  355. 12:35with Richard's situation, and I was
  356. 12:37tired of Levon, who was becoming more
  357. 12:39and more difficult to deal with." When
  358. 12:41he tells Levon he finally got the money
  359. 12:43to make the film, he says Levon tells
  360. 12:45him, "F the film. Let's just use the
  361. 12:47concert and keep the money. A shocked
  362. 12:49Robbie doesn't understand why Levon
  363. 12:51can't see how great this documentary
  364. 12:53could be and all that it took to make
  365. 12:54it. Robbie tells Levon this could be one
  366. 12:57of the best music films ever made. We
  367. 12:59have to see this through. At Marty's
  368. 13:01house, they initially spend a lot of
  369. 13:02[music] time screening movies as he
  370. 13:04taught Robbie details to look out for in
  371. 13:06old films. Robbie compares them to a
  372. 13:08whacked out odd couple. as Scorsesei was
  373. 13:11meticulous about every detail and Robbie
  374. 13:13was [music] used to the freewheing rock
  375. 13:15and roll life on the road where everyone
  376. 13:17cleaned up after you. Each of the
  377. 13:18artists get to screen their part of the
  378. 13:20film [music] before signing off. When
  379. 13:22Neil Young sees his part, he says he
  380. 13:23can't be in the film due to a rock of
  381. 13:25coke in his nose that is visible, not
  382. 13:27wanting his kids to see that someday.
  383. 13:29So, they had to go through some special
  384. 13:31effects to remove that before he agreed
  385. 13:33to sign off.
  386. 13:35Two production assistants, Ava and
  387. 13:37Sylvia, who are young women in their
  388. 13:3920s, arrange a screening at MGM with the
  389. 13:41heads of the Can's film festival. Along
  390. 13:44with the Can's people, they invite two
  391. 13:45Hell's [music] Angels, one of which
  392. 13:47recited a poem during the last Walt's
  393. 13:49film named Sweet William. Suddenly
  394. 13:51towards the end of the screening, Ava
  395. 13:53and Sylvia call Marty and Robbie in a
  396. 13:55panic because Sweet William went
  397. 13:57ballistic and was holding them hostage.
  398. 13:59He started screaming at the top of his
  399. 14:01lungs after his performance. He is
  400. 14:03making demands for drugs and money and
  401. 14:05it has them locked in a room. Finally,
  402. 14:07Sweet William gets on the phone with
  403. 14:08Robbie and says, "You've shortened my
  404. 14:11poem and taken the soul out of it." He
  405. 14:13goes on to tell him by cutting out the
  406. 14:14middle of the very long poem, "He
  407. 14:16disgraced his tale about the killing of
  408. 14:18another Hell's Angel in Florida by the
  409. 14:20cops." He then demands $1,000, an ounce
  410. 14:23of Coke, and his full poem back in the
  411. 14:26movie, or quote, "You can't imagine what
  412. 14:28we're going to do to your little
  413. 14:29secretaries." Robbie then remembers
  414. 14:31another leader within the Hell's Angel,
  415. 14:33Sunny Barger, that he knows personally
  416. 14:35who he brings up to Sweet William,
  417. 14:37saying, "Why don't we get his input
  418. 14:39about the poem?" Sweet William stops and
  419. 14:41finally responds. I don't want Sunny to
  420. 14:43have to decide or anyone else. Cut me
  421. 14:45out of the movie, that's all. I can't
  422. 14:47live with it like this, so just take me
  423. 14:49out. They then up and leave MGM.
  424. 14:52Robbie describes the money coming from
  425. 14:53United Artists going towards the
  426. 14:55additional filming, [music] editing, and
  427. 14:57mixing, saying they would only get paid
  428. 14:58the profit sharing of the film, calling
  429. 15:01it a labor of love and [music] madness.
  430. 15:03During this time, Robbie is dating his
  431. 15:05wife's best friend, but is not entirely
  432. 15:07convinced his marriage is over, and he
  433. 15:09finds himself confused over the entire
  434. 15:11[music] situation. He writes a song for
  435. 15:13the soundtrack called Out of the Blue
  436. 15:15about his [music] wife, in which the
  437. 15:16band comes together at Shanganger to
  438. 15:18record. He gets the feeling that
  439. 15:20everyone had one foot out the door and
  440. 15:22realize the distance that had grown
  441. 15:23between them [music] despite their
  442. 15:25musical bond.
  443. 15:27Throughout Levon's accounts, you can
  444. 15:29hear the bitterness unfold as he tells
  445. 15:31off Martin Scorsesei at one point during
  446. 15:33the interviews for the film, saying, "I
  447. 15:35was coarse and rude, country rude,
  448. 15:37because I was so damn angry." Levon does
  449. 15:40not hold back on his distaste towards
  450. 15:42him regarding the film and how he
  451. 15:43perceives his hand in the demise of the
  452. 15:45productivity of the band. Next, the guys
  453. 15:48in the band screen the movie. Robbie
  454. 15:49says, "Rick thought the film was
  455. 15:51tremendous. G tried to stay awake due to
  456. 15:53his narcolepsy, and Richard commented on
  457. 15:55the great performances by Van, Joanie,
  458. 15:57Bob, and Muddy. He doesn't mention
  459. 15:59Levon's reaction except when mentioning
  460. 16:01Lawrence Fairetti's poem, Loud Prayer,
  461. 16:04which is a take on the Lord's Prayer."
  462. 16:06He brings up Levon's Southern Baptist
  463. 16:08upbringing as he remarks, "Somebody
  464. 16:10could be struck by lightning screwing
  465. 16:12around with the Bible. We ought not to
  466. 16:14be messing with that kind of [music]
  467. 16:15boys. Fair and Gaddy.
  468. 16:18In Levon's book, he makes it very clear
  469. 16:20he hates the film and sees it as
  470. 16:22Robbie's way into the Hollywood scene at
  471. 16:24his band's expense. He says, "After the
  472. 16:27screening [music] ended, I was in shock
  473. 16:28over how bad the movie was." Nine
  474. 16:30cameras on the floor and there wasn't
  475. 16:32even a shot of Richard Emanuel singing
  476. 16:34the finale, I Shall Be released, his
  477. 16:36trademark song. He basically feels the
  478. 16:38whole film is edited in a way to focus
  479. 16:40on Robbie and there's barely any shots
  480. 16:43of Richard or Gar during the concert and
  481. 16:45the interviews all make it seem like
  482. 16:46it's Robbiey's band. He says Ronnie
  483. 16:48Hawkins even made a joke at the end of
  484. 16:50the screening that the movie would be
  485. 16:52all right had there just have been more
  486. 16:54shots of Robertson. Robbie details
  487. 16:56Levon's frustration with Richard being
  488. 16:58drunk during some of the interviews and
  489. 17:00taking Levon's concerns about the film
  490. 17:02to Rick, who seemed to agree with Robbie
  491. 17:04on allowing Richard to just be himself.
  492. 17:06But they are starting to pit each other
  493. 17:08against one another at this point,
  494. 17:09whether they know it or not. It's around
  495. 17:11this time that Levon tells everyone off
  496. 17:13at the meeting. As the film is making
  497. 17:15its way through screenings, Robbie's
  498. 17:17fallen into the Hollywood scene as he
  499. 17:19tells some hilarious stories about wild
  500. 17:21nights with Scorsesei and the likes of
  501. 17:23Liza Minnelli, Robert Dairo, and Harvey
  502. 17:26Keitel. They had begun shooting raging
  503. 17:28bull during this time period. During the
  504. 17:30can's film festival, they arrive as
  505. 17:32angry crowds outside waiting [music]
  506. 17:34scream fascist at Martin Scorsesei
  507. 17:36because of their perception of his
  508. 17:38American views on the films he made.
  509. 17:40Robbie is interviewed by Andy Warhol for
  510. 17:42his magazine interview. They enjoy
  511. 17:44catching up and recalling old times at
  512. 17:46the Chelsea Hotel with Edie Sedwick,
  513. 17:48Nico, and Salvador Dolly. They laugh
  514. 17:50about the time Andy gave Dylan a silk
  515. 17:52screen of Elvis and Bob immediately
  516. 17:54traded it with Albert Gman for a couch.
  517. 17:57Back in London at the Savoy Hotel, they
  518. 17:59meet up with Jack Nicholson, who tells
  519. 18:01them about the film he's working on with
  520. 18:02Stanley Kubri, about a family in an old
  521. 18:05mountain resort, and the man is losing
  522. 18:07his mind. The movie is called The
  523. 18:09Shining. Jack describes to them a scene
  524. 18:11they worked on where his character hacks
  525. 18:13his way through the door, and he
  526. 18:15spontaneously comes up with the line,
  527. 18:17>> "Here's Johnny."
  528. 18:18>> Which Kubri finds hilarious and keeps in
  529. 18:21the movie. While editing Raging Bull,
  530. 18:22Marty turned to Robbie to help with the
  531. 18:24soundtrack. He brought in G and Richard
  532. 18:26to help on a song and play a 1940s New
  533. 18:29York jazz scene. It would be the first
  534. 18:31of many soundtracks he worked on for
  535. 18:33Scorsese Films. After all the accolades
  536. 18:36of the last Waltz came pouring out and
  537. 18:38everything settled down, Robbie
  538. 18:39describes that the rest of the band had
  539. 18:41left California and moved back to
  540. 18:43Woodstock. He says he couldn't imagine
  541. 18:45going back there, believing their
  542. 18:47physical distance led to their personal
  543. 18:49connection drifting them apart. He began
  544. 18:51working on a film called Carney with
  545. 18:53Gary Buucy. One day, Rick and Gary came
  546. 18:55to visit him at his house. And Rick
  547. 18:57describes checking in on G since his
  548. 18:59house burned down in Malibu. Gar sat on
  549. 19:02a hill powerless watching his house
  550. 19:04burned to the ground. And Rick says,
  551. 19:05"Hey, let's give Levon a call." They
  552. 19:08call him up as he's sitting watching
  553. 19:09basketball. Robbie tells Levon about a
  554. 19:11film director who asked about him to
  555. 19:13play a part as Loretta Lynn's father in
  556. 19:15an upcoming movie. He liked his presence
  557. 19:18in The Last Walt. He says Levon's
  558. 19:20response is dismissive, saying, "Hell,
  559. 19:22Loretta's older than me." He then gets
  560. 19:24off the phone and gets back to his game.
  561. 19:26Of course, he would go on to play that
  562. 19:27role and several others, but Robbie says
  563. 19:29it is at this point that he sees he
  564. 19:32himself has changed. His time with the
  565. 19:34band was incredible and they had become
  566. 19:36brothers. But Levon was quote limited in
  567. 19:38his vision and ambitions, happy to go
  568. 19:40round and round playing music in the
  569. 19:42same old [music] circuit. I couldn't
  570. 19:44stand still like that. I wanted to make
  571. 19:46original music to find new sounds. But
  572. 19:48in this group, it came to feel like I
  573. 19:50was the only one who had these thoughts.
  574. 19:52I'd had to take over the reigns of our
  575. 19:54direction. [music] If id left it up to
  576. 19:56Levon, we would have never joined up
  577. 19:57with Bob Dylan. He went along with it
  578. 19:59for a while to appease me, but he hated
  579. 20:02it so much. He eventually quit his own
  580. 20:04[music] band. I didn't even know you
  581. 20:05could do that. There would have been no
  582. 20:07basement tapes or Big Pink if it was
  583. 20:09left up to him. No last walts. Levon saw
  584. 20:12Robbiey's move to evolve into movies as
  585. 20:15a betrayal. And Robbie saw Levon and the
  586. 20:17band holding him back. So, did Robbie
  587. 20:19make questionable decisions with
  588. 20:21songwriting credits? Possibly. But he
  589. 20:23says that Levon just didn't understand
  590. 20:25how it all worked. So, it's hard to say
  591. 20:26because the other guys didn't seem to
  592. 20:28have the same grievances, at least
  593. 20:30publicly. And they never saw a dime of
  594. 20:32the money from the film due to it being
  595. 20:34over budget. And there it was. That's
  596. 20:36what the demise all came down to.
  597. 20:37Differences in how the publishing rights
  598. 20:39were distributed and how the band's end
  599. 20:41was handled. [music] Richard's life
  600. 20:42ended heartbreakingly sad on the road
  601. 20:44with the band Sans Robertson in 1983.
  602. 20:47And when Rick died suddenly in his sleep
  603. 20:49at age 56, Levonne made it clear who he
  604. 20:52held responsible, saying Rick worked too
  605. 20:54hard. He wasn't that old and he wasn't
  606. 20:56that [music] sick. He just worked
  607. 20:58himself to death. And the reason Rick
  608. 21:00worked all the time was because [music]
  609. 21:01he had been effed out of his money.
  610. 21:03People ask me what I think of The Last
  611. 21:05Walts all the [music] time. Rick Denko
  612. 21:07dying at 56 is what I think about The
  613. 21:09Last Walts. It was the biggest effing
  614. 21:11ripoff that ever [music] happened to the
  615. 21:13band without a doubt.
  616. 21:16As the band members began going their
  617. 21:18own ways, the animosity between Levon
  618. 21:20and Robbie during The Last Walts
  619. 21:22irreparably fractured their bond,
  620. 21:24leading to the band's demise. The others
  621. 21:26stayed mostly quiet, though they tooured
  622. 21:28without Robbie, likely out of financial
  623. 21:30need. To fans, the riff felt like
  624. 21:32watching old friends in a feud, each
  625. 21:34with their own side of the story. Both
  626. 21:36men likely shared some of the blame.
  627. 21:38Robbie later said there was no feud from
  628. 21:40his side and that he'd made peace with
  629. 21:41Levon before his death. Leon loved life
  630. 21:44on the road. Torian made him feel alive.
  631. 21:46Robbie, meanwhile, was drawn to film
  632. 21:48making and storytelling and wanted more
  633. 21:50time with his young family. A choice
  634. 21:52that made sense, but left Levonne
  635. 21:54feeling left out in the cold. [music]
  636. 21:55The disputes over songwriting and
  637. 21:57royalties deepen the divide. If Robbie
  638. 21:59acted unfairly behind the scenes, that's
  639. 22:01hard to forgive. But it's [music] also a
  640. 22:03lesson on protecting your own interest
  641. 22:05early on before resentment takes root.
  642. 22:10This story is a great reminder that just
  643. 22:12because you have a long history with
  644. 22:14someone, it doesn't mean that they share
  645. 22:16the same moral clarity or vision as you.
  646. 22:19They were looking at the situation from
  647. 22:20two different levels. Robbie took a
  648. 22:22rational approach to how he saw the
  649. 22:24situation and decided he was ready to
  650. 22:27move on while being more business savvy
  651. 22:29while Levon was coming from a
  652. 22:30relationship level with what they refer
  653. 22:32to as brothers. So, he took it
  654. 22:35personally when Robbie didn't live up to
  655. 22:37that expectation. But life has a funny
  656. 22:39way of coming full circle. After
  657. 22:41Robbiey's death in 2023, in a twist that
  658. 22:44would have made Levon smirk, the band's
  659. 22:46old feud over money didn't exactly die
  660. 22:49with them. It just changed cast members.
  661. 22:52After [music] decades of Robertson being
  662. 22:54painted as the guy who walked away with
  663. 22:56the band's fortune during their time of
  664. 22:58need, his own children are now in court
  665. 23:01battling his much younger widow over
  666. 23:03control of his estate. the same
  667. 23:05arguments about who really owns the
  668. 23:07riches that began with the band. They
  669. 23:10are alleging financial elder abuse and
  670. 23:12torturous interference with inheritance.
  671. 23:15The lawsuit claims his widow took
  672. 23:16advantage of Robertson while he was in
  673. 23:19declining health after a recent surgery,
  674. 23:21coercing him into signing documents that
  675. 23:24she allegedly knew he didn't understand
  676. 23:27due to medication. The children are
  677. 23:28seeking to cancel these documents which
  678. 23:31they claim grant her an unfavorable life
  679. 23:34estate in their father's home, forcing
  680. 23:36them to pay expenses until she dies. In
  681. 23:40a strangely poetic echo of the band's
  682. 23:42original breakup drama, Robbie's kids
  683. 23:45are now accusing his widow of doing to
  684. 23:47him what Levon long claimed Robbie did
  685. 23:49to the rest of the band, taking
  686. 23:51advantage of someone at a vulnerable
  687. 23:53moment to secure a financial upper hand.
  688. 23:55The parallels are hard to ignore. Of
  689. 23:58course, they are now all gone while
  690. 23:59their stories and music live on. It's
  691. 24:01good that Robbie and Levon got to make
  692. 24:03peace before Levon [music] passed away.
  693. 24:05Our time here is short. Make peace today
  694. 24:08because tomorrow is promised to no one.
  695. 24:14Thank you for watching. I'll put a link
  696. 24:16to the uncensored version with longer
  697. 24:18music excerpts available on the Patreon
  698. 24:20page in the description if you want to
  699. 24:22watch that and be so kind as to support
  700. 24:25my work. This was a complicated story
  701. 24:27because it spans so many years [music]
  702. 24:29and there were several points of
  703. 24:31contention and two different versions of
  704. 24:33events. Hopefully, I showed grace to
  705. 24:35both sides. Almost everyone knows what
  706. 24:38it feels like to be ripped off and also
  707. 24:40to be blamed for something due to a
  708. 24:42misunderstanding. It's easy to jump to
  709. 24:44conclusions based on our own experiences
  710. 24:46and project that when making up our
  711. 24:48mind. I look for evidence and patterns
  712. 24:51in people's behavior when making up my
  713. 24:53own mind. Let me know what you think in
  714. 24:55the comments below. I'll put a link in
  715. 24:57the description as well to the books if
  716. 24:59you want to get more into their stories
  717. 25:01as well as the music featured here. I
  718. 25:03highly recommend both. Thanks again. See
  719. 25:05you next video.

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