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0:00Okay, terrific. Hello. All right, you
0:03can get me. This is uh what we're doing
0:05this afternoon is you're one of the
0:08first to hear this new material. They
0:10heard it in London this last week for
0:12the first time and then you're so really
0:15the second people to hear it. And it's
0:18the material that I think is going to
0:20destroy Islam. This is what we call the
0:22the Achilles heel uh of Islam because it
0:26is the historical critique that no
0:28Muslim has yet engaged with. They can't
0:31engage with this and you'll see why as
0:34we go through it. Now, is this something
0:37that you can use? Yes and no. I know
0:39they're starting to use it now in
0:41London. They're they've been already
0:43using it in America. We're using it in
0:45Nigeria. Uh my students are using it in
0:48Ethiopia. Some are using it in India.
0:51I'm not asking you to use this material.
0:53This is more for your information to
0:56show you where the battle lines are and
0:58also to show you just how weak Islam is
1:01and how hopeless it is historically. So
1:05sit back. You're not going to don't feel
1:07you have to take notes. We will uh the
1:09PowerPoint is on the computer and
1:12anybody that wants it, I see a few of
1:15the USB drives are here. I will slap
1:17over this to you at the end of the talk.
1:21If there's something you don't
1:22understand, you can either since we're a
1:25small group, you can ask me right away
1:26or you can wait till the end for the
1:28Q&A. But feel free to lift up your hand.
1:31Just uh say, "Jay, I have a problem with
1:33that. I'm not sure where you're going.
1:35What's the ramifications? Help me with
1:37this." So, let's go ahead and get right
1:39into it and let's open up the
1:40PowerPoint.
1:44Now, I'm going to have to stand here
1:45because I cannot see what's written on
1:47that little screen back there. So, I
1:48will be looking at what you're looking
1:50at. And this way, we'll be able to walk
1:52through. And what we're looking at is
1:54the historical problem with Islam's
1:56origins. How it all began. Who is the
2:01man? What was the book he received? And
2:04where did he live? So, to do that, we're
2:07going to investigate four areas. The
2:09first area is the sources itself. Where
2:12do the Muslims get their material from?
2:15How did they find out about Muhammad?
2:16Where is he written up about? Where is
2:19his story? Where is the story of how
2:21Islam began? What about the Quran
2:23itself? We're going to move then into
2:24Mecca. That's the place. Now, you might
2:26say, why are you starting with the
2:28place? Shouldn't you start with the man
2:29himself? Understandably, I'm purposely
2:32starting with the place because the
2:34place, once you shut down the place, you
2:37shut down Muhammad in the book. If the
2:40place did not exist, then we're not
2:41talking about the same Muhammad. All
2:43right? If the place did not exist, then
2:46we're not talking about the same book,
2:48the Quran. So, that's why I'm going to
2:50start with the place itself. And then
2:52we're going to move into early Islam
2:55itself. That's Muhammad. We're going to
2:57look at his beginnings. We're going to
2:58ask the question, who was he or who was
3:02this person or was there even a person
3:05named Muhammad? And then of course the
3:07fourth one will go and we'll end off
3:09with the Quran as a crowning
3:11achievement. Now to understand what
3:14we're in confronting, we need to ask the
3:17Muslims what they're saying. And they
3:20have a set of traditions that support
3:23everything they believe. We call it the
3:26standard Islamic narrative
3:28s. It's kind of tongue and cheek because
3:32obviously it's what we're confronting.
3:34We're going to confront sin. We love
3:36confronting sin, don't we? Well, we want
3:38to confront the standard Islamic
3:39narrative, which is the traditions from
3:42which all Muslims must follow. The
3:45Islamic traditions, it doesn't matter
3:47whether you are radical, nominal or
3:49liberal. They all follow these
3:51traditions except possibly the liberals.
3:53And they believe the standard Islamic
3:56narrative. Whenever you see sin there,
3:57that's standard Islamic narrative.
3:58That's their story. That's what they
4:00believe. They believe that it has Islam
4:02has been around for 1400 years started
4:05by this man Muhammad the greatest the
4:07finest the seal of all prophets born in
4:11Mecca in 570 AD and then died in Medina
4:15in 632.
4:17So you can see this is the beginning the
4:19end of the sixth century up until into
4:22the 7th century and he is the one that
4:25models Islam for everyone. what he does
4:28they do. What he says they they say
4:32and that's why he is the paradigm for
4:34all of Islam and he is the one that
4:37received the Quran. So since he received
4:38the Quran that is where his importance
4:41is. The Quran itself is his revelation
4:44sent down between 610 and 632. So that
4:4720-year period. Now this is what they
4:50say. This is not what I say. Okay? You
4:52see the distinction. I want to make sure
4:53I want to make sure you understand what
4:55they say first. And every Muslim you
4:58talk to, this is their story. There's
5:00the man Muhammad. There's the book, the
5:02Quran.
5:04The Quran is the greatest, the final,
5:06and the seal of all revelation. And and
5:10it is it corrects everything that comes
5:12before, especially the Old and New
5:14Testament because we supposedly have
5:17corrupted our scriptures. So Islam is
5:20the final religion based on Muhammad's
5:21life in sayings and on the Quran's
5:24teachings. Now conclusion Islam is
5:27therefore depend on the book the man in
5:29the place really that's as simple as you
5:33can get in order to know Islam in order
5:36to understand Islam all you need to know
5:38is three things that there's a book
5:41called the Quran there's a man called
5:42Muhammad and there's a place called
5:44Mecca this that's it the book the man
5:46the place to be fair isn't that the same
5:50with us
5:51we also have a book of man in a well not
5:53so much a place But we certainly have a
5:55book and a man, don't we? To understand
5:58Christianity, you better know the Bible.
6:00That's our book. And the Bible is all
6:02about the man, Jesus Christ. So, you can
6:04see we start the same paradigm. That's
6:06why we're so similar to them. And that's
6:09why we understand them better than
6:11anybody else, which means we have much
6:14more of an importance to then confront
6:16them on these three areas because they
6:18are foundational. You take out any one
6:21of those three and Islam falls. You take
6:23out the book, there's no Islam. You take
6:25out Muhammad, there's no Islam. And you
6:27take out Mecca, there's no Muhammad or
6:28the book. So that's why every Muslim is
6:32dependent on those three. And that's why
6:34we're going to engage with them today.
6:36So what we want to do, we want to
6:38investigate the time they all existed.
6:40We want to investigate the seventh
6:42century because that's where the book,
6:44the man, and the place existed. The book
6:46was created in the seventh century. The
6:48man lived in the century seventh century
6:50who received the book and the place
6:52Mecca is where he lived. So therefore
6:55all three are in the seventh century and
6:57that's why we want to go to that time
7:00and that place and that place is Mecca
7:02and Medina two cities in the center of
7:05Arabia over on the west side in the
7:07middle of a desert. In the middle of a
7:09desert hold on to that that's very
7:11important. So we want to go to that
7:14century and that place. So let's start
7:16and let's start then with the sources. A
7:19good place to start because you want to
7:21know how is it Muhammad came about?
7:23Where is it the Muslims get their
7:24material from? You've got to go back to
7:26their sources. So problem with sourcing.
7:29Where did it all come from? And this is
7:31something that Muslims have not ever
7:35responded to.
7:38Some of this you probably already know
7:40because when I was here last time,
7:41Graham, didn't I talk about this? I
7:43think so. Jonathan, did I talk about the
7:45sources? Maybe not. If not, this is new.
7:48If not, let's see. So, let's look at
7:51this map. This map is really what I'm
7:53talking about. So, I'm going to be
7:54talking about the Does this work? Yeah,
7:56it does work. It doesn't show up there,
7:58though. Oh, there you can see it. See
8:00there little red line? That's the area I
8:02want to talk. So, I want to talk about
8:03Muhammad Empire, which is that brown
8:06area right there. I want to talk about
8:08that to begin with, but then we're going
8:09to move into the orange area, which is
8:11the Rashidood period. That's that area
8:13here. This is where the first rightly
8:16guided kadiffs. These are the four
8:17kings, the kadiffs that come after
8:19Muhammad. That's Abu Bakr, Umar, Utman,
8:21and Ali. Don't worry about the names.
8:23They're just there to impress you. But
8:24certainly, they are the ones that take
8:26over this area of the world, which is
8:28orange. And then we're going to move
8:30into what we call the Umaya dynasty,
8:32which is the first Muslim dynasty that
8:35existed from 661 up until 749. That's
8:38the purple area. So, look at the brown,
8:40the orange, and the purple area. And
8:41that's what we're going to talk about
8:42today. Just keep that in your mind
8:44because I'm going to keep referring to
8:46it. And uh that is obviously this part
8:48up here is all the fertile crescent. The
8:51orange and the blue purple area is the
8:53fertile crescent. But everything that
8:55Muslims claim happened is down here.
8:57Down here where my where my uh pointer
9:00is. Can you see Medina and Mecca? That's
9:02where everything they claim happened.
9:04Let's see if that is the case. To do
9:07that, we need to start with the timeline
9:09of Islam's emergence. Now, this is what
9:11they say. This is not what I say, but
9:14this is what you've heard. This is what
9:15everybody has heard. This is the only
9:17narrative that's out there. And they
9:19would say that Muhammad was born in 570.
9:22That the Quran that he was given started
9:25to be revealed in 610. Uh in 621, he was
9:29woken up in the middle of the night,
9:31told to go on the back of a winged horse
9:33called the Bak flies up to Jerusalem
9:35from Mecca. And from Jerusalem, he goes
9:38up 10 uh up seven heavens to the seventh
9:42heaven where he meets Allah who tells
9:44him to pray 50 times a day.
9:46He comes back to the fifth heaven and he
9:48bumps into Moses. Moses asks him, "How
9:51many times did he ask you to pray?" He
9:52said, "50 times." Moses, "That's way too
9:55many. Go back and see if you can get it
9:56down." So he bounces back up to the
9:59seventh heaven. Ask God to bring it
10:00down. And he bounces back and forth
10:02between the fifth and the seventh
10:03heaven. bring it down to 45, down to 40,
10:05down to 35, down to 20, 15, down to five
10:09prayers. Once he gets it to five
10:11prayers, Moses said, "Okay, that's
10:12enough. Now go back down to earth." So
10:14the five prayers that Muslims pray every
10:16day comes from that story in 6:21
10:19according to the traditions. And it was
10:21Moses who decides how many prayers.
10:23Isn't that interesting? Fascinating. So
10:25that happens in 621. In 622, then he
10:29leaves Mecca, moves up to Medina, and
10:31that's called the Hijra. That means the
10:33Exodus.
10:34So that happens right after the Mirage.
10:38And when you look at the Quran, if you
10:39take the Quran and just split it in
10:41half, this second part of the Quran,
10:44this goes from this way to it goes this
10:45direction because it follows the Arabic.
10:48This part was revealed to him in Mecca.
10:50This part was revealed in Medina, the
10:53city he moves to. Two different cities,
10:55two different parts of the Quran. That
10:57precedes that though it goes backwards.
10:59Same goes this way. Just turn it upside
11:01down. you get the right sequence. So he
11:03goes to Medina, moves there in 6:22, and
11:07then in 6:30 he comes back to Mecca,
11:11conquers Mecca because he'd been thrown
11:13out of Mecca, conquers it without firing
11:15a shot, and then he dies in 632. How
11:18does he die? Possibly by poisoning
11:20according to the standard Islamic
11:22narrative. What we do know is that the
11:24Quran was not written down when he died.
11:27It had not yet been written down.
11:29memorized, yes, but not written down.
11:31Abu Bakr takes over and he lasts for two
11:34years before he dies. Then you have Umar
11:36takes over. He expands the boundaries of
11:39Islam from Tripoli in the west all the
11:43way to Afghanistan in the east. That
11:46whole swath of land that I showed you on
11:47that map, that whole orange area, the
11:50brown in the orange area, that was now
11:52under their control by the time of Umar
11:54comes to power. Huge swath of land. that
11:57includes all the way up to Turkey and
11:58includes all the way down to the
12:00southern part Yemen and Oman today. So
12:03he takes over, expands the borders, um
12:06man comes to power, Umar d is killed, uh
12:09um man comes to power and during the
12:11time of um man the Quran is put together
12:14is compiled in its present form. So this
12:16Quran I have in my hand was compiled by
12:19in 652 and then he is killed. Ali comes
12:23to power, he is killed by Mua who then
12:27introduces the Umaya dynasty. That is
12:30how Islam began. There's the timeline.
12:33Now Islam therefore was fully formed in
12:37the Hij by 661.
12:40Have you heard any other story?
12:43Anybody?
12:45No.
12:49This is the only story you're ever going
12:50to hear. This is the standard Islamic
12:53narrative. It's what I've always heard.
12:56It's what I grew up with when I did my
12:57masters, when I did my doctorate. It's
12:59the only story I was ever given. It's
13:01the only story in any of your
13:03universities or your Bible schools or
13:05your seminaries and every mudrasa. This
13:07is the one story you have heard. No, I
13:10haven't given you everything. I've just
13:12given you the skeleton. But this is what
13:15we've always believed. Now, here's the
13:18question. How do we know all of the
13:20above? Where does the story come from?
13:24Where would you like it to have come
13:25from?
13:28Well, let's ask about the Bible and
13:30Jesus Christ, our book, and our man.
13:32Where does our story come from?
13:35Eyewitnesses, right? Matthew and John.
13:38They were eyewitnesses to what Jesus
13:40said and what he did.
13:42Luke and Mark got it from the
13:43eyewitnesses. That's pretty good, right?
13:44So, you want somebody who was actually
13:46there, who was watching all this happen,
13:48right? You would want eyewitnesses to
13:50know who Muhammad was, who Abu Bakr was,
13:52had seen Abu Bakr, had seen Umat, who
13:54had seen Uman, and had seen Ali.
13:56Certainly, someone who had been there in
13:58that 40-year period from 624 to 661, the
14:02golden pure of Islam, then when it all
14:04began, someone should have been there to
14:06have seen it, right? You'd be happy with
14:08that, wouldn't you?
14:10And every Muslim you talk to assumes
14:12that that is correct.
14:14Every Muslim I've talked to, it doesn't
14:16matter who they are. Even the scholarly
14:18Muslim, when I ask who wrote that up,
14:20they say the companions of the prophet.
14:22And what are their names? Oh, their
14:24names are Ibisham, their name is Albb
14:27is, their names are alkari, Sahim
14:29Muslim, Ibn D. They name off a whole
14:31slew of names. And these are the names
14:33they're taught. But they all assume that
14:35these people lived when Muhammad lived.
14:38But you'd like to know when these men
14:40lived, right? So let's look at another
14:43timeline because this is what blows
14:45everything away. And this is what most
14:47people, most Western, and certainly most
14:50Muslims don't know. So Muhammad dies in
14:52632, right? So you would think, you
14:54would hope that his life would have been
14:55written down by the time he died. Uh his
14:59life, the Sahas,
15:02if you ask any Muslim who wrote down his
15:04life, they'll say this man wrote it
15:06down.
15:07But look at the date he died. 765.
15:11Muhammad died in 632. That's 130 years
15:14later.
15:16Does that bother any of you?
15:19It should bother all of you. It takes
15:22himund 130 years to write it down. But
15:24hold on a minute.
15:26We have nothing by not one word. We
15:30don't have one page. We don't have one
15:32letter. We don't have one fragment from
15:34his writings. It just doesn't exist. The
15:37man we have to go to is this man here,
15:39Ibn Hisham. And he dies in 833. Do your
15:43maths. 632 833. How many years are we
15:46talking about? 200 years. So the first
15:49reference, the first story we have by ma
15:52by any Muslim is by Iben Hisham in the
15:559th century for that which is happening
15:56in the seventh century 200 years later.
15:59Nothing before him. So let's get rid of
16:01ibn Isak because we know nothing about
16:03him. We it's just we know his name and
16:06the Muslims attribute it to him because
16:08they want to get as close to the event
16:10as possible. Not a word from him. Then
16:12you have another set from Alwaki 8:35.
16:16Then we know to we need to go to the
16:17hadith. These are the sayings of the
16:19prophet. When you talk to Muslims how
16:21they walk, talk, eat, sleep, drink is
16:23what the sayings say. They follow the
16:25hadith for everything they do in their
16:28life. 247 they have to follow hadith.
16:31The first man to write down a hadith is
16:32this guy here, Al Bukhari. And he dies
16:35in 870. That's 240 years after the fact.
16:39You get other ones like Sahib Muslim,
16:41Ibn Daw, Tidi, Abid Maja. You get also
16:45Abu Daw and you also get Anisa. Those
16:48are the six major hadith compilers. Look
16:51at their dates. 870, 875, 884, 887, 899,
16:57915. That is 9th and 10th century folks.
17:01Way too late.
17:03Way way too late to be any
17:06authoritative. And then you have two
17:08more genre. What we call the tapid and
17:10the tid would be the commentaries and
17:13the would be the histories that Muslims
17:15are dependent on to know what has
17:16happened. Yeah.
17:17>> Are those dates
17:22by scholars? There's no question about
17:24that.
17:25>> Nobody questions those dates.
17:27Yep.
17:28>> But here's the interesting thing. You
17:30you were to go outside right now and you
17:31go to a Muslim and say, "Who is of
17:33Bahadi?" He'll say, "He's a companion of
17:35the prophet."
17:37Really? He lived 240 years after the
17:39prophet died. You see a problem? No one
17:42has heard and put these dates together.
17:44No one has seen this timeline. That's
17:46why I'm giving you the timeline so you
17:48can see it. So when you talk to a
17:49Muslim, say, "Date these people that
17:52you're quoting." You have to quote Al
17:54Buhari. He lived 240 years after the
17:56fact. Nowhere near Muhammad. Not even
18:00the same century as Muhammad. Okay,
18:02let's continue. If you want to go to the
18:05you need to go to Alabi. That's 923.
18:07That is the 10th century. So everything
18:09we know about Muhammad comes from two to
18:13300 years too late. Two to 300 years. No
18:17eyewitness count whatsoever. I want to
18:20put up this guy here, Abdul Malik,
18:21because he is the one that introduces
18:23the name Muhammad. We don't see his name
18:26before this date. Now, that's 692 AD.
18:30Muhammad died in 632. We don't even see
18:33the name put down, put on pen to paper.
18:36And this in the case that we're going to
18:37talk about is an inscription. We don't
18:39see this name written anywhere until
18:42692. That is 60 years after Muhammad
18:44died. If he's that important, if he's
18:47that well-known, then why did nobody
18:49know about him? Until Abdul Malik puts
18:52his name there. And as you're going to
18:54find, Abdul Malik when he puts his name
18:57there has nothing to do with the man
18:58Muhammad.
19:00You'll see why. We're going to get to
19:02that. But then that is 141 years. So
19:05even when he introduces the name, it
19:07takes him 141 years, another 140 years
19:10for them for the Muslims actually to put
19:12it together and create a man with this
19:14name. And who are the people that did
19:16it? These are the ones that did it. The
19:18Abbasids, it's the Abbasids who create
19:20the Muhammad we have today. They come to
19:22power in 740,
19:25749. That is over a 100 years after
19:27Muhammad. If Muhammad died in 632, the
19:30Abbasids come together and they create
19:32the um the Abbasad dynasty. They take
19:35the the headquarters that had been in
19:37Damascus and bring it down to Baghdad.
19:40They are the ones that give us the
19:41Muhammad we're looking at today. But
19:44that's a hundred years too late. And as
19:46we're going to see in the next slide,
19:48look and see where all this was
19:50happening. Now, what Muslims will tell
19:52you is that it happens all right here in
19:54Mecca Medina. See where those two those
19:56two green circles are? There's Medina
19:59and there's Mecca. Okay, Mecca. Medina
20:02is where everything happens according to
20:04Islam, according to the standard Islamic
20:06narrative. But everything that has been
20:09written down about this man and this
20:11book and this place are all from
20:13Baghdad. The same Baghdad we have today.
20:16That Baghdad was only introduced as the
20:20seat of Islam in 749.
20:24749 that's over 100 years after
20:27Muhammad. There were no Muslims in
20:29Baghdad earlier than that. So all
20:31everything that's happened, let's just
20:32show you what I mean. Ibn Isam that I
20:34talked about who wrote the biography, he
20:36was born in Basra. He grew up in Cairo,
20:38but he did his work in Bhagdat. Cairo is
20:42uh 900 miles from Mecca. Bas is 1200
20:45miles. So he was nowhere near Mecca and
20:47he certainly didn't do any of his work
20:49because Baghdad is a good 1,200 miles
20:52from Mecca. As far as alkari, he he's
20:55the one that wrote the hadith. He comes
20:56from Bhar, way up in Turkmanistan. That
20:59is 2,600 miles away. Way too far north
21:04to be any to be any of any good. Alabi
21:07who write who writes,
21:09he comes from which is in northern Iran.
21:12That is 1700 miles away. None of the
21:15traditional writers lived or worked in
21:17Mecca and Medina. They were too far to
21:19the north of Mecca and came from the
21:21west and east of Bhagdat. What's more,
21:23all of these northern areas where you
21:25see those red circles are where the
21:28Abbasids originated from. The Umiads
21:30were not there. So, it's the wrong place
21:33and wrong people, the wrong time, too
21:36far away. And what's more, let's look at
21:39this one here. Now, when you look at the
21:40when you look at what Muslims say, they
21:42say it happened in those two cities
21:43there. Let's put them up there. But
21:45everything we know about all the writers
21:46of all the traditions are from those red
21:49circles. They hardly ever went down that
21:52far south. And there's a reason they
21:53didn't go that far south. You will see
21:55why, but let we'll wait till we get to
21:56that. So, everything is happening up in
21:58the north, right? What's up in the
22:00north? Water is up in the north. H2O.
22:05This is what you need. I'm going to have
22:07to use it today as well. It's so hot.
22:08I'm going to keep drinking if you don't
22:10mind.
22:12You have to have water.
22:15There is no water where Mecca Medina is.
22:18It's all up in the north and that's
22:20where the civilizations are and that's
22:22where all the things have been written
22:24down but they're not where they should
22:26be. They're two 1100 miles too far
22:28north.
22:30So furthermore all of the writers and
22:31the traditions lived 9th and 10th
22:34century which means they all wrote the
22:38material hundreds of miles too far away
22:40and hundreds of years too late. So you
22:43look at the map and you look at the
22:44timeline, put them together and you can
22:46see too far north and too far away. Too
22:49far north and too far distance in time.
22:53So let's ask the same question of
22:55Christianity. Do we not have the same
22:57problem? Are not all our writings are
23:01hadith? Our taps are hold on a minute.
23:03Hadith of Jesus. Yeah, we have the
23:05hadith of Jesus. Matthew, Mark, Luke,
23:07and John. Anytime Jesus spoke in the red
23:09letter part of your if you have a Bible
23:11that wherever he spoke it's in red
23:12letters that's the hadith of Jesus. So
23:14we have the same genre they have. How
23:17about the sitta the biography of Jesus?
23:19Yes. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Again
23:21wrote down his life mostly the last
23:23three years of his ministry. So there's
23:25the sitta of Jesus written by Matthew,
23:27Mark, Luke and John. What about the
23:29taps? Well the taps would be Paul's
23:31letters because the taps are the
23:32commentaries on Muhammad's life. So the
23:35tapsuit of commentaries on Jesus's life
23:37were written by Paul and he wrote what
23:40Jesus did. He wrote how to apply it in
23:43Ephesus for the book of Ephesians. He
23:45how to apply it in Philippi for the book
23:46of Philippians. How to apply it in
23:48Corinth for the book of Corinthians.
23:50That's why the taps of Jesus is right
23:53through the right letters of Paul. And
23:56then as far as the the histories, well
23:58that's the book of Acts. So the exact
24:00same genre that Islam has for their
24:03prophet and their book and their man, we
24:05have for our book and our man, Jesus
24:08Christ. So let's do a comparison. Now,
24:11I'm going to step on all of your toes.
24:13Forgive me. I'm going to take the most
24:15liberal dates I can find. These are not
24:17dates I agree with, okay? These are not
24:20dates. Don't think that I believe in
24:21these dates. I'm doing it for a put to
24:23make a point. Even when you take the
24:25most liberal dates for Paul and Matthew,
24:28Mark and Luke and John, look and see how
24:31much more authoritative they are than
24:33what Islam has. So let's start with
24:35Jesus dies in 33 AD and we have the
24:38first of Jesus which would be uh the
24:41history that's the book of acts written
24:42by Luke and he wrote between 52 and 62
24:45AD. So already you have the history of
24:47the early church written within 20 to 30
24:50years of Christ's death. Right? And then
24:52we have the first taps that would be the
24:55commentaries written by Paul. Look at
24:57when Paul died, he died in about 65 AD.
25:00So with he started writing within 15
25:02years of Christ's death. So within 15 to
25:0430 years of Christ's death, you already
25:06have the t of Jesus written down. Then
25:08we get to the s and the hadith. If you
25:12look at the sitt and the hadith of Mark
25:1470 AD. I know you're not going to like
25:16that date. Don't worry, I don't like it
25:17either. Let's go with that date because
25:19I want to make a point with Mark there
25:21at 70 AD. That's uh between that's 37
25:24years after Christ's death. Then you
25:26have Matthew and Luke. Some of you will
25:27say Matthew is before Mark. I don't
25:29know. I don't care. That's not my point.
25:31The point is let's take what the
25:32liberals liberal scholars are saying.
25:34They would put him there 80 AD. Even 80
25:37AD is only is only 47 years after
25:40Christ's death. And then you got John
25:41who wrote the last sitta and the last
25:43hadith 90 AD. That's less than 60 years
25:46after Christ's death. Which means within
25:5029 to 57 years of Christ's death, we
25:52have the entire New Testament. We have
25:54the entire standard is standard
25:56Christian narrative. Did you notice that
26:00like with like, look how much closer we
26:02are. All of the New Testament writers
26:04lived in the same place Jesus lived.
26:06They didn't live thousands of miles
26:07away. They all live where Jesus lived.
26:10And they either knew him personally or
26:12the material got they got from others
26:14who did know him personally who saw what
26:16he did and heard what he said. That's
26:19why when you do a comparison if you look
26:22at Christianity and Islam when you do a
26:24comparison Christianity ours are written
26:27within 15 to 60 years of Christ's death.
26:29Islam is dependent on those who wrote
26:32200 to 300 years. Which is more
26:34authoritative? Obviously, the New
26:37Testament, the person of Jesus Christ,
26:39what he said and did is much more
26:40authoritative than what they have for
26:42Muhammad. As a comparison, if we had to
26:45depend on sources for Jesus comparable
26:47to what Muslims are dependent on for
26:48Muhammad, Jesus would not even begin to
26:51appear until the third century. And how
26:53would we defend him? How could we defend
26:55him if we if we know nothing about him
26:57until the third century? Yet, that's
26:59exactly what we're finding about
27:01Muhammad. Yet, Muslims don't even know
27:04this yet. You've got to help them
27:06understand this. Show them how hopeless
27:09a tradition they have. Now, here's a
27:11modern American. If you're in America, I
27:13do this in America. Let's see if you
27:14don't you don't have to follow this, but
27:16I like to do it because it's kind of
27:17takes the mickey really out of the
27:18Muslims when they compare it to our
27:20history in the United States. We know
27:22that George Washington is our founder,
27:24right? He's the founder of our nation.
27:26And what he said and what he did, we'd
27:28like to know as Americans, right? So, he
27:30dies in 799. The Constitution was
27:32written in 1776. That's the laws that
27:34we're dependent on. If we were dependent
27:37on what on Washington knowing who
27:39Washington was as our leader, we would
27:41have to wait till the year 2000 to get
27:43his story written down. That's just 22
27:45years ago, folks. His story would not we
27:48would know nothing about George
27:49Washington until tw until 22 years ago.
27:51What about his sayings? His sayings
27:53won't even begin to appear for another
27:56for another 15 years. They won't exist
27:58until 2037. What about our constitution
28:02that we are depended on that won't even
28:04begin to appear till 2090? We're going
28:07to have to wait another 70 years before
28:09we get that. Do you see the problem what
28:11we're talking about? If we as Americans
28:13were dependent on our man and our book,
28:16our constitution, and the sayings of our
28:18man, Washington's biography would have
28:21been written and published just 20 years
28:22ago, while his speeches in US constant
28:24won't even yet be written for 15 to 60
28:27years.
28:28How in the world could we base our laws
28:30on the constitution that has yet to
28:32exist?
28:34Do you see how idiotic this is? And yet
28:37this is what Islam is has to deal with.
28:39And none of them are aware of this. How
28:41hopeless their history is. Are you
28:44following this? So who created the Sah
28:48gets even better. This is something it's
28:50brand new. Whenever you talk about the
28:53the biography of Muhammad, you need to
28:54go to this book. This is the book that
28:56is the standard everybody uses all over
28:58the world. First written in French
29:00translated into almost every language
29:02and it's really basically the life of
29:03Muhammad from Iban Isak. Remember we've
29:06already thrown out Iban Isak because we
29:08have nothing from him. But this is
29:09written by Alfred Guam the French
29:12author. And anytime you ask anybody any
29:16Muslim where did they find out about
29:17Muhammad's life? They go to this book.
29:20But here's the problem. Where did Alfred
29:23Giam get his material? because he was
29:25just writing this in the last century.
29:26So where did he get his material from to
29:29write the biography of Muhammad? Well,
29:31he gets it from well before 819 8 that's
29:35oh that's a misprint remind me to that
29:38should be 1819
29:40the 19th century before the 19th century
29:43there was nothing written up about
29:44Muhammad at all. We have nothing about
29:47his biography. It was this man here,
29:50Heinrich Ferdinand Wenfeld, who between
29:531858 and 1860, those three years, went
29:57to four different German cities. He was
29:59a German himself. Went to Bon, went to
30:02Leiden, went to um uh he also went to
30:06Berlin and I think I have to get the
30:09fourth city and he went to the libraries
30:12and he went to the museums in those four
30:14German cities and he pulled out
30:16fragments about this man named Muhammad
30:19that he got in Arabic and he wrote the
30:21his the Sah of Muhammad in Arabic for
30:24the rest of the world. Finished it in
30:271860.
30:291860, that's the 19th century.
30:33Before 1860, no Muslim knew the life of
30:36Muhammad. And today, every Muslim and
30:40everybody else is dependent on this man
30:42here. Did I just go backwards? What
30:44happened here? Something's gone wrong
30:46with my clicker. Okay, here we go. So,
30:48who created? This guy created here. So,
30:51he is the one that created the setup
30:54that we have today in 1860.
30:57It was Guiam that took his Arabic
31:00writing and then re put it into French
31:03which then was put into English which
31:05then went all over the world. Before
31:071860, no one knew who this man Muhammad
31:10was. What's interesting in 1967, so 100
31:13years later, another man named Fouad
31:15Syskin came across some new material in
31:18Morocco and wrote up his biography of
31:21Muhammad. It's a completely different
31:23biography than the one we are using
31:24today.
31:26So there's which one is the true
31:28biography? Neither of them go back to
31:31Hisham at all. They were all both the
31:34ones in Morocco and the ones that are
31:36sitting in those German museums are from
31:39the Ottoman period. The Ottomans come to
31:41power in 1299. So they're all after
31:441299. Oo, I love it. That is 500 years
31:48after Muhammad, folks. We don't even
31:51know anything about Muhammad for 500
31:53years after he died. So can you
31:56understand why there the scholars are
31:59have are concluding that Islam as we
32:01know it did not exist in the 7th century
32:04but evolved over a period of two to 300
32:07years. The Quran probably was not
32:09revealed to one man in 22 years but
32:12likely evolved over a period of 50 to
32:14100 years. Therefore the history of
32:16Islam at least from the time of Kaiff
32:18Abdul Malik and before is a later
32:21fabrication.
32:23This is the conclusion they're making.
32:25These are what the scholars are saying
32:26today just because of what I've told
32:28you. Now, that's the problem with the
32:31setup. The question they're asking is
32:34this.
32:35Why did it take so long to write it
32:38down? And I'm sure you're asking this
32:39question as well. If there are people
32:42there watching what Muhammad Muhammad
32:43did and what he said and hearing what he
32:45was saying, why in the world did they
32:47not write it? If he was such a great
32:48prophet, if he was the seal of all
32:50prophet, if he was the creator of Islam,
32:53if he was God's paradigm on earth, why
32:55in the world did they write it down?
32:57Muslims will respond and say, "Well,
32:59because they were illiterate."
33:02Illiterate.
33:03From Tripoli in the west to Afghanistan,
33:07from Turkey down to Yemen, nobody could
33:10read and write. What about these great
33:13cities like Alexandria and Cairo and
33:15Damascus, Baghdad?
33:18What about these great civilizations?
33:20Remember, there was a library in
33:22Alexandria that was burned to the
33:24ground. If there's a library, you have
33:25to have books in the fifth century, 200
33:28years before what we're talking about.
33:31So, you cannot tell me not they did not
33:33know how to read and write. What's more,
33:35what what about the Quran itself? Wasn't
33:37it written down? Of course, it was
33:39written down by Zimbabwe. who is by
33:42Zimbabwe he was a secretary of Muhammad
33:44what do secretaries do they write isn't
33:48that the job of a secretary so this idea
33:51that they couldn't read and write makes
33:53no sense whatsoever it so the question
33:55is what they're saying is the Musl uh
33:57the western scholars if it's all written
34:00so late two to 300 years late why are we
34:03trusting it shouldn't we go back to the
34:05seventh century itself shouldn't we go
34:08back to the century it all began
34:09Shouldn't
34:11we go back to where the century where
34:13Muhammad lived and the Quran was put
34:15together and Mecca existed? And I would
34:18say yes, as any good historian, you go
34:21to the event, you go to the time of the
34:23event. You don't go to those hearsay or
34:25oral tradition because everything you're
34:27talking about, everything that Muslims
34:29are dependent on is two to 300 years of
34:32oral tradition. And I don't trust oral
34:35tradition. If I were to tell Judy
34:36something in her ear and she tells you
34:38and she tells him, she tells him, by the
34:41time I got to Hugh over here, what I
34:42told Judy and what you tell me are
34:44probably two different things. You
34:45probably played that game when you were
34:47children in birthday parties. It's
34:49called Chinese whispers. If that can
34:52change in a 15minute period, can you
34:54imagine what happens over 200 year
34:56period? So, can you see then why they do
35:00not trust it? They want to go back to
35:01the seventh century. They want to go
35:03back to this place. Let's look at this
35:04map again. There's Muhammad's empire.
35:06There you can see the Rashidun period.
35:08And then we have the Umaya dynasty in
35:12the purple. We want to go back to that
35:14period. And we want to see what was
35:16happening at that period. So let's start
35:18with Mecca. A good place to start. Let's
35:21start with the city that they consider
35:23consider to be the center of Islam. What
35:26do they claim about Mecca? The reason I
35:28like to go to Mecca is because of what
35:30they are complaining uh what they are
35:33claiming.
35:36Everything they say happened in Mecca.
35:38It is the center of the universe. It is
35:41the center of history. It's the very
35:43first place that mankind ever existed.
35:46Therefore, the book and the man, both
35:49the Quran and Muhammad are absolutely
35:50dependent on Mecca. If it did not exist,
35:53then neither did the other two. Neither
35:55did Muhammad or the Quran. Once you get
35:57rid of Mecca in the seventh century,
35:59then you get rid of Muhammad and the
36:00Quran in the seventh century. At least
36:02the Muhammad and the Quran of Islam. So
36:05what are the claims they make? Well,
36:06they claim that Mecca was where Adam and
36:09Eve were sent to when they were thrown
36:11out of the Garden of Eden. They're up in
36:13space in the Garden of Eden. They're
36:16thrown out of the Garden of Eden. Uh Eve
36:19is thrown down to Mecca. uh Adam is
36:22thrown to Sri Lanka which is that used
36:25to be Silon that island off of the
36:27southern tip of India. Why? They don't
36:31explain why. It just looks like whoever
36:33threw him down, whatever angel did that
36:34was a bad shot. Nonetheless, Adam was 90
36:38feet tall and he was able to strike boom
36:40boom boom boom boom coming from Kerala
36:43with up through India right across for
36:47Afghanistan
36:49Iran over across Iraq and then down into
36:52Arabia and meet his wife in Mecca. So
36:55Mecca is the oldest city in history,
36:58right?
37:00Because there's no one earlier than ma
37:02uh Adam and Eve.
37:04A city has to have people. There's no
37:07people older than Adam and Eve. So that
37:08would be make it the oldest city in
37:10history or the oldest hamlet in history.
37:13It's where Abraham lived according to
37:14chapter 21 of the Quran. When you open
37:16up the Quran, you will see Abraham Ham
37:18is living there in Mecca. He gets up in
37:21the uh and with his son Ishmamail, they
37:23rebuild the Cabba, that square building
37:25that everybody circumambulates seven
37:27times in the center of Mecca. So in 1900
37:31BC certainly Mecca had to exist if
37:33Abraham was there. So it's a pretty old
37:35city. It's also the center of trade
37:37norths, southsoutheast and west. If you
37:39look at all the trade routes according
37:41to the standard Islamic narrative, all
37:43the trade north, south, east, west went
37:45to Mecca. That's what made it important.
37:47So it should be one of the best known
37:49cities in the history of of mankind,
37:52right? Someone somewhere should have
37:54known about it.
37:56What about the references in the Quran?
37:59Well, what's interesting in the Quran,
38:01it only refers to it one time.
38:04Chapter 48:4, that's it. One time will
38:08you find Mecca referred to. Now, that's
38:10rather odd. If it's such an important
38:12city, if it's the oldest city, if it's
38:15the most historical city, it's where
38:17Abraham lived, it's where Muhammad was
38:19born, it's where Muhammad grew up, why
38:21is it only referred to one time?
38:24That's a curiosity. So it does talk
38:28about the mother of the settlement. So
38:29whenever it refers to the place of the
38:32prophet or the mother of settlements,
38:34Muslims put Mecca there in parenthesis.
38:36It's not in the Arabic. They impose they
38:39impose it into the text. So according to
38:41chapter 3 97, it's the first sanctuary.
38:44Okay, that must be Mecca. Mecca is the
38:46mother of all settlements. It's uh in
38:49chapter 6 verse 92. Uh it's where Adam
38:51and Eve said. I mentioned that in
38:52chapter 7:4. Abraham lived there in
38:55chapter 21. It's where Muhammad was born
38:58according to the tradition. It's where
39:00the all the kiblas that's the direction
39:01of prayer for every mosque. Whenever you
39:03go into a mosque, you will see a mik or
39:06it'll be directed towards Mecca.
39:08Wherever it is, doesn't matter where it
39:10is in the world, it's always directed
39:11towards Mecca. That's called the the
39:14direction of prayer. The above implied
39:16people have lived there for the for the
39:18very beginning. Yet the only reference
39:20in the entire Quran is chapter 48:4.
39:23That's a curiosity. When you look at the
39:25traditions, look what it describes about
39:27this place. It again doesn't really say
39:29Mecca, though sometimes it does because
39:31the traditions as we now know are
39:33written in the 9th and 10th century. By
39:35the 9th and 10th century, Mecca is well
39:37known, has been adopted, and of course
39:40it's now introduced into all the texts.
39:42So there in Mecca, it has a valley and a
39:45parallel valley. It has a stream going
39:46through it. Outside are the ruins of the
39:48pillar of salt where Lot's wife was
39:50turned to salt. It has fields. It has
39:53trees. It has grass. It has fruit. It
39:55has clay. It has loom. It has hollow
39:57trees. Folks, that's lots of vegetation.
40:01Suggesting therefore there's lots of
40:02water there. But look at Mecca today.
40:06Look at Mecca at any picture of Mecca.
40:08It is as dry as bones. There's no water.
40:12It's no valley. There's no tree, clay,
40:15gl grass, lom. There are no there are no
40:18olive trees outside of the
40:20Mediterranean. The only olive trees that
40:22grow naturally are up in the
40:24Mediterranean. That's 600 miles further
40:26north.
40:27So all of these make no sense.
40:30And yet Muslims know that and they don't
40:32know how to answer this. That's why I
40:34love to really niggle them with this. I
40:36say, "These are your traditions telling
40:38me this. This is your Quran telling me
40:40this. Yet you have no way to support
40:42this because look at Mecca. It is as dry
40:45a place as you can get. Is not in a
40:48valley. It has none of those listed
40:50above because it's in a desert folk.
40:53It's just too arid and dry to support
40:56any of the above. When you look at the
40:58ge geography of the Quran, there are
41:02according if you look at the Quran,
41:03there are about 65 geographical
41:06references, but the ones that it talks
41:08about the most are the peoples and where
41:10they live.
41:12So when you look at the geography, you
41:14will notice that there are three peoples
41:16that are up there that live in that that
41:20this it doesn't say Muhammad. In the
41:23entire Quran, Muhammad's name is only
41:25found four times, but it refers to the
41:27prophet, the nabi, the rasool, the
41:30messenger, the prophet, the ambassador
41:33of God. Always it says that. It doesn't
41:35give a name. Muslims put the name there
41:37in parenthesis because it's not there in
41:39the Arabic. But it mentions that this
41:42man of God, this Rabbi, this the Russell
41:4523 times he has contact with these
41:47people from Ad over and over again. 23
41:50times would be the ooze in the Bible.
41:53The biblical people call uz 24 times he
41:56has contact with the Nabotans. Who are
41:58the Nabotans? From Tammud. These I'm
42:01sorry from Tammud. Not Nabatian. We call
42:03them Nabatians. The 24 times he has
42:06contact with people from Tammud. Take a
42:08look at the map and see where is. Look
42:11at the back and see where Thamud is.
42:12UD's way up here. There's Thumbud way up
42:15there. Here's Mecca way down here.
42:17That's 600 miles. Seven times he has
42:20contact with people from Midian. We know
42:22who the Medidianites are. We know
42:23exactly where they live. They lived way
42:25up here. That's 600 miles further north.
42:29How could this messenger of God, this
42:31apostle of God, this prophet of God have
42:33daily contact with people who live 600
42:36miles further north? He'd have to go up
42:38600 miles, come back down 600 miles in
42:41one day, unless he had a helicopter.
42:44They didn't have helicopters in the 7th
42:46century, folks. Can you see this is a
42:49problem for Muslims? They don't know how
42:51to deal with this. It's obvious whoever
42:54wrote the Quran did not live in Mecca.
42:56He lived much, much much further north.
42:59In fact, I would suggest he lived where
43:01these geographical locations are. The
43:04Quran itself exposes that. And the
43:07reason why is look at the Arabic.
43:09Whoever wrote the Quran spoke an Arabic
43:12that did not come from Mecca Medina.
43:14That green rectangle. Muslims say that
43:17the Quran was written by Muhammad,
43:19received by Muhammad in the Qureshi
43:21dialect, which was his dialect there
43:23where that green rectangle is. That's
43:26Arabia where Mecca and Medina are. But
43:28if you look at the Quran, just open up
43:30its pages and read the Arabic there. It
43:33has these endings that are all from
43:36where the red rectangle is. See where
43:39the red rectangle is? That is in
43:41modernday Jordan and Israel in Lebanon.
43:45That is Nabotian Aramaic. And the Quran
43:49is written in Nabotian Aramaic. Why?
43:51Well, look at the endings. The AB, the
43:54unstressed inflectional short final
43:55vowels, those are not found where the
43:58green area is. They're all found where
44:00the red area is. The tarbuta which is
44:02the t sound which makes it feminine at
44:04the end that is found where the red area
44:06is not where the green area is. The al
44:09of maksur looks like an s shape that is
44:11the e the y sound that is at the end of
44:13the letters that is only found up where
44:15the red area is the definite article al
44:18the whenever you have the that is not
44:20found in the green area that's only
44:22found in the red area 600 miles further
44:25north. So what Arabic did they speak in
44:27that green area? The Arabic they spoke
44:30in that green area comes from that part
44:32of the world where the big red the red
44:35square is that is Sabayan. That's from
44:37the Sabian from what today is Yemen in
44:39Oman way down in the south. That's the
44:42kind of Arabic they spoke up there in
44:43Mecca Medina. The Sabayan Arabic did not
44:46have the Tmarbuta or the alaksur or the
44:48definite article. And what's most
44:51interesting, as you're going to find out
44:52later in our arguments coming up, the
44:55Sabic Arabic had the dots and vowels,
44:58which the Nabotian Aramaic did not.
45:00There are no dots and vowels in the
45:02Nabotian Aramaic. That's what caused all
45:05the kit problem. Most of you looking at
45:07me blankly. You have no idea what I'm
45:08talking about. You'll hear it after the
45:10break. We're going to get into that. So,
45:12but this is what's exciting for those of
45:14us who are studying this. It's obvious
45:17that when the Quran was written, whoever
45:19wrote the Quran did not come from Mecca
45:21Medina. They all came from 600 miles
45:24further north. The Quran itself exposes
45:27it. So look at all these prophets going
45:30up on the screen. You not recognize some
45:33of them, don't you, Adam? The these are
45:36all the prophets that according to
45:38traditions were buried in Mecca Medina.
45:42You get buried where you live. You have
45:44to be buried within 24 hours. Which
45:46means all of these people lived in Mecca
45:49in order to be buried in Mecca. Not
45:51Medina. Sorry, I shouldn't have used
45:52Medina. These are all buried where the
45:55Cabba is, that square building all
45:57around it. And they were all buried with
46:00sitting on their knees with their hands
46:03like this praying to God in a praying
46:06position even as they died. Because
46:09according to tradition, prophets do not
46:11deteriorate. Even though they're dead,
46:14they still pray to God until the end of
46:17times. So there you Adam and Eve were
46:20buried in Mecca. So was Seth. So was
46:22Ishmael. So was Noah. Hood, the great
46:25great grandson of Noah, was buried
46:26there. Sully, the grandfather of Hagar,
46:28Queen of Sheba. I had no idea. The queen
46:30of Sheba, what's she doing way up there?
46:32Well, there's a story about that in
46:33Surah 27. Daniel, the prophet Daniel,
46:36your prophet Daniel, was buried in in
46:38Mecca. Did you know that? I had no idea.
46:41Now you know. And about 300 prophets
46:44according to traditions were all buried
46:47in Mecca.
46:49They all lived or died there and were
46:51buried kneeling in Mecca. So why can't
46:53we find them today? Why do I say that?
46:55If you look at Mecca today, you will see
46:57there are all these huge skyscrapers
46:59being built. The fourth highest building
47:02in the world has just been finished.
47:04It's a clock tower looking down onto the
47:06Cabba. It is enormous. It has four
47:10faces. The clock itself is 45 ft across.
47:15They're going to make it the Meccan
47:17meantime. They want to take time away
47:19from Greenwich meanantime and make it to
47:21Mecca meanantime. So the whole world
47:22will be following Mecca meantime. Now
47:25that in order to build that building, in
47:27order to build all of those skyscrapers,
47:29you have to dig deep. You have to make
47:31foundations and you have to dig down
47:34there to make sure that the buildings
47:35don't fall over. When you build fall
47:37down and when you start digging
47:38foundations, who shows up? The
47:41archaeologists show up. This happens
47:43with any archaic city. When they started
47:46digging up the Tower of London, the
47:48archaeologists were there. Why? Because
47:50they came across all these Roman ruins.
47:52Londonium. Am I correct? The same way in
47:55Athens, the same way in Rome, the same
47:57way in Jerusalem. Anytime there's any
48:00digging, the archaeologists are there
48:02because they don't have the equipment,
48:04nor do they have the funds to go to dig
48:06that deep. And they know that when you
48:08start digging, you're going to come
48:09across artifacts. And those artifacts
48:12recreate the history of the city. So
48:14when they started digging these huge
48:17tall buildings all around the Cabba, the
48:19archaeologists showed up. Dan Gibson was
48:23in a conference with them in Dubai a
48:26number of years ago. He sat at their
48:27table and he asked these Saudi Arabian
48:30architects, "So what have you found?
48:33What has been dug up?" And they wouldn't
48:35answer him. So he insisted tell me you
48:38must finding all kinds of things because
48:40you have the furthest foundation. This
48:43is the oldest city in the history of
48:45mankind. What have you found? They
48:48finally admitted that the only thing
48:50they have been able to find is an old
48:52Ottoman fort from 1300 AD.
48:561300 AD. That's 500 years after
48:59Muhammad. Can you see the problem folks?
49:02Archaeologically speaking, it is having
49:04the same problem as you see historically
49:07with these prophets. Now, so when is the
49:10first reference to Mecca? Well, the
49:13first reference is found in the
49:15apocalypse of Sudenthodius continue
49:17Arabica in 741.
49:20Dr. Patricia Kurun could not find any
49:22reference earlier than that. Muhammad
49:23died in 632. This is over aundred years
49:26later. And the first time it is found on
49:28any map is not till 900 AD. That's the
49:3110th century, folks. That's 300 years
49:34after Muhammad. So if you look at all
49:36the old maps, you need to look and see
49:37where Mecca is on the old maps. And
49:39let's look at these maps, not made by
49:42Ponomy, but referring made because of
49:44Ponomy. Patonomy in the second century
49:46AD is the first one to write about the
49:49geography of Arabia.
49:51And he wrote about all the towns and
49:53hamlets and all the other places where
49:55the streams were, where the mountains
49:56were, and he put designated coordinates
49:59for them. So some Europeans in the in
50:03this case the 15th century started
50:05putting maps together with looking at
50:07all his descriptions and this is one
50:10done by Lard Hole in 1482. But take a
50:13look at the map and you'll see a problem
50:14with it. Mecca should be right where
50:17that question mark is there. Mecca is
50:18not on that map in 1482. No reference to
50:22Mecca anywhere. What about this one
50:24here? 1541. We're still in the 16th
50:27century now. Look at where is Mecca?
50:31Mecca is not there. What about this map
50:33here? Here's one by Sebastian Müster in
50:371571.
50:39Mecca is not there again. Everywhere
50:42they looked, they could not find Mecca.
50:46So, here's another one. This is one that
50:48is a redacted map put today, redacting
50:51it back on to the 7th century. Mecca's
50:54not on that map as well. Here's another
50:56redacted map. you they you can't find
50:59Mecca on any of the archaic maps. Not at
51:01all. Yet it is supposed to be the oldest
51:03city in the history of mankind. The most
51:05important city in the history of
51:07mankind. Yet not we can't find it on any
51:10map. What about the kiblas? Remember I
51:12talked about the kibas the direction of
51:14prayer. Dan Gibson was doing his
51:16research from 1987 to so to 2005.
51:22And uh for 25 years he went to every
51:25mosque he could find from as far away as
51:28Guangho in China over to Shaman in
51:31India. Every mosque he could find. He
51:33went to the Kibla wall. And when he
51:35looked at the Kibla walls, he found that
51:36they were all facing Petra, not Becca.
51:41Petra in Jordan.
51:43Doesn't matter what side of the world
51:44they were, they were all up until 706,
51:48that's the 8th century, every mosque was
51:50facing Petra. Well, now we have a
51:53problem with Mecca, don't we? What are
51:56you going to do? And how are you going
51:57to support it? And where are you going
51:58to find importance for it? Muslims have
52:01not been able to show any historical
52:03reference for Mecca. So along comes Dr.
52:06from Montgomery Watt, Scottish
52:08missionary who worked with Muslims,
52:10spoke fluent Arabic, and he rescued
52:12them. He rescued them by coming up with
52:14what we know as the trade route theory.
52:17Have you any of you heard of the trade
52:18route theory? You've heard of it? Do you
52:21remember Montgomery Watt? You don't
52:23remember him? Okay, but you know about
52:24the trade route theory. And the trade
52:26route theory is this. Mecca got its
52:29importance because of what happened on
52:33the trade route. The trade routes used
52:35to come from India and China to the
52:38western coast of India and then they go
52:40across where the red arrow is going up
52:42across the Arabian Sea through the
52:44Persian Gulf and then across uh Syria
52:47and Jordan over to the Mediterranean. So
52:49they had to get to the Mediterranean
52:51world and that's where they went going
52:53across the Arabian Sea. That was the
52:54trade route. However, however, two great
52:57empires, the Sassanian Empire which is
52:59the Persian Empire and the Byzantine
53:01Empire which is the Christian Empire.
53:03One was Zarash and the other was
53:04Christian started battling each other in
53:06the fifth century. So from the fifth and
53:08sixth century started boom that shut
53:10down the trade route. So let's get rid
53:12of the trade route. You couldn't go that
53:13route any longer. So what Montgomery
53:15Watt said is oh not a problem. Instead
53:18of going that way through the Persian
53:19Gulf they came across the Arabian Sea
53:21went to Aiden there in the south on
53:24shipped all their goods and went 1250
53:27miles up to Gaza in the north and from
53:29Gaza they went to the Mediterranean.
53:31That proved that Mecca, which is right
53:34here, can you see Mecca right there
53:36where I'm pointing to? It was in charge
53:38of it because it was right in the middle
53:40of the trade route.
53:43Problem solved. Right?
53:45Do any of you see a problem with that
53:47theory?
53:49I was taught this theory. I didn't see a
53:52problem. I showed it to my 10-year-old
53:54son. He saw a problem right away. Let's
53:57see if you can figure it out. I never
53:59figured it out, but he did. Do you see a
54:01problem with that? Coming across the
54:02Arabian Sea going to Aiden and zipping
54:05up the western coast up not the coast
54:07along the western plateau up to the
54:09north.
54:13Dr. Patricia Kuron, head of department
54:16at Cambridge University, wrote a book
54:18called Meccan Trade in the rise of Islam
54:20because she saw two major problems.
54:23Here's the first problem. Let's take a
54:25look again at at there at Aiden. She
54:27said when you look at Aiden let's take a
54:28look at Aiden and see where the trade
54:30would have gone. It would have started
54:32at Aiden and gone up to Najan up to Sana
54:35then Najan and up to Taif. So there's
54:37Tif circled right there. But that is all
54:40along the western plateau.
54:42But from Taiv it would have to make a
54:44detour down
54:471,000 mters. That's 3,000 ft down to
54:51Mecca which is not on the coast. It's
54:53about 30 mi inland, but it's still way
54:56down off the plateau where that circle
54:58is. And then from Mecca, it then would
55:00have to get back up 3,000 ft to get to
55:02Ythreb and then from Ythreb on up to
55:04Gaza in the north. So you can can you
55:06see the detour on the map? She said,
55:08"Why hadn't anybody noticed this? Mecca
55:11is not on the western plateau." That's
55:14the first problem. The second problem,
55:16she said, is this. Why would you come
55:19all the way to Aiden and then go, 1250
55:22mi by land when everybody knows that a
55:25ton of goods just 50 miles by land costs
55:30the same amount as 1,250 miles by sea.
55:35You always use the sea. Everybody has
55:38used the sea. We still use the sea
55:40today. Why? Well, because that's the
55:43cheapest way to take tons and tons of
55:46good. All you need is air. What's more,
55:49you don't have to protect anything. If
55:51you take it by land, you need camels.
55:53Camels need to be fed. They need to be
55:55watered. Secondly, they need to be
55:57protected. If they're anytime you're
55:59going through a valley or mountains on
56:00either side, they can attack you. You're
56:02on the sea. It's open water. You can see
56:04for miles in advance. You can see
56:07anybody that's going to attack you. You
56:09don't have to feed the ships. There's no
56:12water or food. They just need wind,
56:13which is free. And that's why even today
56:16though we don't use sales anymore, it's
56:18still cheaper. That's why you have these
56:20super tankers taking tons and tons of
56:23good all over the world and you're very
56:25close to one right here in Pool and also
56:27in Bournemouth. Sorry, not Bournemouth,
56:29in Plymouth and also in Southampton.
56:32There are your ports. Why? Because all
56:34the goods coming from China have to come
56:36by boat. Well, the same thing in the
56:37ancient days. She said, "Well, why don't
56:40you look at what's going on right up
56:41here? Look at this Red Sea. you have a
56:43waterway going up the west side. Why
56:46didn't they stay on board water? Now,
56:48the great thing about Patricia Kurin
56:49asking this question is that she reads
56:51and writes 15 languages.
56:54So, she could go back to all these
56:55archaic language, Aadian, Nabit,
56:58Aramaic, Sero, Cyroaic, all these Aadian
57:01these languages that no longer are used
57:03today and she could read every one of
57:05them because she was such a scholar. 15
57:07archaic languages. She went back to the
57:09second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth,
57:11seventh up until the seventh and eighth
57:13century and she read all the original
57:15documents and this is what she found
57:17that all the trade came across following
57:19the green arrow. They did stop at aided,
57:21yes to get resupplies, but they took no
57:23goods off there whatsoever for because
57:26it was all inhospitable. And they went
57:29up the they went to Agilus right there.
57:31There's Agilus, which is initia. And
57:33from there they went up the Red Sea
57:35right up to
57:38Petra and from Petra to Gaza and from
57:40Gaza right across all across the
57:43Mediterranean world. So that is that is
57:46where all the trading documents say.
57:48Mecca is not referred to once in any of
57:51the trading documents. Why not Mecca?
57:55Well, Muslims have tried to come back
57:56and say, well, okay, so they went up the
57:57Red Sea, but they went to Jedha. Jedha
58:00is on the coast and then from Jedha they
58:01took the goods into Mecca, which is 30
58:03miles in land. That's what Muslims are
58:05trying to say today. And here's where
58:07Patricia Cronin did not go far enough.
58:09She didn't realize that you can debunk
58:10that as well. And we debunked it very
58:13quickly. We just did it last year and we
58:14just by looking and we decide let's go
58:17see and let's take another look. Look at
58:18the Red Sea. But let's look at it from
58:21space. When you look at the Red Sea from
58:23space, looking topographically, you will
58:25see that the center of the Red Sea is
58:28where the deep water channel is. That's
58:29where the red line is. Do you see the
58:31red line? That's where the big ships
58:32today go. They need that deep channel.
58:35Back in the seventh century, there were
58:37no big ships like that. You didn't have
58:38super tankers. You just had small ships
58:40that were pushed by the wind. They
58:42needed other channel. So, where are the
58:43channels for the small ships? Well,
58:45there they are right there, the golden
58:47arrows. But look and see where they are.
58:49They're on the western side. They're not
58:51on the eastern side. They're on the
58:53African side. Why are they on the
58:55African side? Unlike the eastern side,
58:58the Eastern Arabian shore, which was
59:00arid with no fresh water whatsoever, and
59:03thus few people, the West African shore
59:06had plenty of fresh water and had larger
59:09populations as a result. What's more,
59:11the west coast had easily accessible
59:13ports. We know their names and this is
59:16what we have done in London. We decided
59:18to go back and uh my researcher here in
59:20London, myself, we decided to go back
59:21and see where these ports were. So, we
59:23just did a historical survey and we
59:25found that there were five coastal
59:27cities, Assaup here in it. It was it has
59:31been around since 246 BC. That's the 3rd
59:34century BC. It's an old old port. Agelus
59:37that we talked about earlier since 79
59:39AD. And then you have Swaken in what is
59:42today uh Sudan. That's 170 AD. Up here
59:46you have Bones and also at the very top
59:48Saga. Those are both in what is in
59:51Egypt. But look at the dates 282 275.
59:54These are long before Islam. That's
59:57where all the trade went. Those are the
59:59five trading routes. Notice that they
1:00:01are equidistance. That is exactly one
1:00:04boat's ride per day. So you could go
1:00:07start at Assab, do a boat drive, get
1:00:10pull into the port and Agelus, get off,
1:00:13stay in a go to a pub, go and have your
1:00:16beer and then have a nice time with all
1:00:18your friends. Get back on ship and go up
1:00:20to Swaken, go up, get off, get your
1:00:23water, get your vegetation, and then
1:00:25have your beer again and just go from
1:00:26days. So it take five days to get up the
1:00:28Red Sea all on the western side. Well,
1:00:32their dates all predate Islam. All five
1:00:34are a day's distance apart. On the Red
1:00:36Seaside, you have only Yanbu. Only Yanbu
1:00:40is ever recorded and it supplied all the
1:00:43needs for Yatre which is a well-known
1:00:45city. It has been a city but a small
1:00:47city for millennia but nothing else
1:00:50bamboo are on the Red Sea at all. What
1:00:53about Jedha and Mecca? Because Muslims
1:00:55say, "Well, Jedha is what supplied
1:00:57Mecca." It does so today. Jedha must be
1:01:00one of the oldest cities in the history.
1:01:01So we did a survey on Jedha and I went
1:01:04back to my SC uh my professor Dr. Gerald
1:01:07Haunting who wrote a book on Jedha and
1:01:09he did by looking at his survey he found
1:01:11that Jedha did not exist prior to the
1:01:148th century. It was the 8th century
1:01:16where Jedha was created to give supplies
1:01:20to Mecca which was created in the 8th
1:01:22century. Oh, I love it.
1:01:24Therefore, let's just get rid of Jeda
1:01:26and Mecca. Goodbye. history throws them
1:01:30out. So what what happens to Mecca and
1:01:35Jedha? Without Mecca, what then happens
1:01:38to Islam? A big red X. However, let me
1:01:44just show you prove my point. Look at
1:01:45this topographical map. This is what it
1:01:48looks like from space. Let's put these
1:01:50cities on it. There you can see Aiden.
1:01:52There you can see Sana Nudan Ty. Notice
1:01:55they're following the western plateau.
1:01:57Do you see the western plateau? It's up
1:01:59above the rest. There's a big cliff
1:02:01there.
1:02:02From Tai, you go up to Yreb. Yreb you,
1:02:04you go up to Tabuk. From Tabuk, you go
1:02:06up to Petra. Gaza. And then you're in
1:02:09the Mediterranean. Where's Mecca?
1:02:13Bingo. There's Mecca. It's way off the
1:02:16Western Plateau. Can you see it? 3,000
1:02:19ft down. No wonder it's not on the trade
1:02:22route. Why would you go from Thai down
1:02:243,000 feet to a city or a hamlet that
1:02:28had no water and had no vegetation for
1:02:31your camels and then climb back up to
1:02:33Ythre? Let me show you another map. Here
1:02:36is one with a what they call the wired
1:02:38uh the line graphs for the top of to
1:02:40show you really distinctly what we're
1:02:42talking about. There's Aiden. There's
1:02:44Sana. There's Najaran. Up here we have
1:02:47Tif. There's Ythre. Then we get up to
1:02:49Tabuk. Up to Petra and to Gaza. And look
1:02:52at Becca.
1:02:54It's completely off the western plateau.
1:02:57And Muslims have never looked at this
1:02:59before. They had no idea until we showed
1:03:02them this. Said, "No wonder there's no
1:03:04record for Mecca. No wonder it wasn't on
1:03:06the trade route. No wonder it had no
1:03:08importance whatsoever." So what do
1:03:11ancient maps show us concerning Mecca?
1:03:13Well, what we would like to do is we
1:03:16want to know if Mecca was that
1:03:17important, someone someone should should
1:03:19have known about it. So what about the
1:03:21empires surrounding Mecca? Maybe maybe
1:03:24someone would have heard about this
1:03:25place. You would hope that someone would
1:03:27heard about it, right? So let's go and
1:03:29see what they knew about Mecca. We asked
1:03:32the Sabayans. We looked through all the
1:03:34Sabbain material. Not one word about
1:03:35Mecca. We asked about the Himy. The
1:03:37Himyites. They had no word about Mecca.
1:03:40We went to the Eastern Arabia. Eastern
1:03:42Arabia knew nothing about Mecca. What
1:03:45about Western Arabia? That is where
1:03:47Mecca is situated. Certainly they would
1:03:49have known about Mecca. Not one
1:03:51reference whatsoever about Mecca. What
1:03:54about the patriarchal period that long
1:03:56preceded Mecca? Nope. They never heard
1:03:57about it. The Himaites, they didn't hear
1:03:59about it. What about the Assyri? Nope.
1:04:01Nothing were mentioned. The Babylonians,
1:04:03the central western Arabians, the
1:04:06Persian, and even the Romans. We can't
1:04:08find any reference to any of these
1:04:09empires. These are all the empires that
1:04:12predate the seventh century. They are
1:04:14all surrounding the geographical
1:04:16location of Mecca. and not one of them
1:04:18has heard of this place. What does that
1:04:20tell you?
1:04:23It has no history. No wonder they've not
1:04:26heard about the place. Now, one of them
1:04:28has heard of Mecca. So,
1:04:31take a look at this map. And this is
1:04:32where I'm going to help you. This is
1:04:34what you can do. And this is what I did.
1:04:35Uh back in November, I came down to
1:04:37London. I was on the ladder with with uh
1:04:39Hutton. And I were on the ladder.
1:04:43As we're getting up on the ladder,
1:04:44Hutton said, "Jay, I don't agree with
1:04:46anything you're saying about Mecca.
1:04:47Let's" and I say I said, "Listen,
1:04:50you may not agree with me, but don't say
1:04:51that from the ladder. Not while we're on
1:04:53the ladder today." So, let's go through
1:04:55and I want to show you what why we don't
1:04:58why we don't accept Mecca. So, I showed
1:05:00these four pictures. These are pictures
1:05:03of topographical pictures of what Mecca
1:05:05looks like today. And when you look at
1:05:07Mecca Medina, what do you notice about
1:05:09them? Well, they're all in a desert. Can
1:05:11you see that they're all in a brown
1:05:13area? So, it's very clear that they're
1:05:15in a desert. So, I showed this to all
1:05:17the Muslims and by on November they were
1:05:19all around the ladder. Not like a two
1:05:21weeks ago. So, I said this. All right.
1:05:26Where there's a desert, there's no
1:05:28water. Where there's no water, there's
1:05:31no food. Where there's no food, there's
1:05:33no people. There's no people, there's no
1:05:36towns. Where there's no towns, there's
1:05:38no cities. Where there's no cities,
1:05:40there's no civilization. Where there's
1:05:42no civilization, there is no history.
1:05:45It's as simple as that. I only had to
1:05:47say that once. How long did it take me
1:05:49to say that? 10 seconds.
1:05:51No water, no food, no food, no people,
1:05:53no people, no towns, no towns, no
1:05:54cities, no cities, no civilization, no
1:05:57civilization, no history. You're going
1:05:58to say it so quickly. I only had it say
1:06:01it once as the Muslims started coming.
1:06:03Well, what about Muhammad when he was in
1:06:05Mecca? Wait a minute. What do you mean
1:06:06Mecca? There's no water. Well, yes, but
1:06:09according to traditions, he went with he
1:06:11went up from Mecca to Wait a minute.
1:06:13Mecca, there's no water there. All we
1:06:15had to say after that is there's no
1:06:17water. Once you say that, it shuts down
1:06:20the debate. This is what we call a meme.
1:06:23That's how easy it is, folks. All you
1:06:26need to say is you can't use Mecca. You
1:06:29can't use Medina. You can't have
1:06:31Muhammad or a man named Muhammad living
1:06:32in that place if there's no water. You
1:06:34have to have water. If there's no water,
1:06:37it's just like Mars. What's the purpose
1:06:39of going there? Can you see?
1:06:43If you don't have Mecca,
1:06:46you because there's no water, you don't
1:06:48have history. And that's why it's
1:06:51absolutely essential you've got to have
1:06:52water. Now, let's end off Mecca
1:06:57by going to the Hajj. When you go to the
1:06:59Hudj, you need to ask all these things
1:07:02that they do. This is when they go once
1:07:04in their lifetime to do the pilgrimage.
1:07:05They do the hut there and there are five
1:07:07stages that they go through. Let's go
1:07:09through them real quickly and let's see
1:07:11what we do. Now the first stage is this.
1:07:13You go to Mecca to go to the Cabba.
1:07:15You've seen this picture. They
1:07:17circumambulate it in this direction
1:07:19which means they circumambulate it
1:07:21counterclockwise. Sorry, this way for
1:07:23you. Counterclockwise. All right. Nobody
1:07:26circumambulates counterclockwise.
1:07:28Everybody goes clockwise except in
1:07:30Mecca. Why do you think they
1:07:32circumambulate counterclockwise?
1:07:36And why do they do it seven times?
1:07:40Who does it counterclockwise seven
1:07:43times?
1:07:45Anybody know?
1:07:47The Jews.
1:07:50The Jews do it. The Jews did it in Petra
1:07:53to begin with. And so in Petra, you can
1:07:55see there's the Cabba. Cabba just means
1:07:58square in Hebrew and in Arabic. Both in
1:08:02Arabic and in Hebrew, it means square.
1:08:04Cabba.
1:08:06So you're going to that square and when
1:08:08you look at the square you see it is a
1:08:09square circumambulating it seven times.
1:08:13Now when you look in Petra there is the
1:08:15same square where they were
1:08:17circumambulated seven times. But where
1:08:20does that come from
1:08:22that comes from Jerusalem. Go to
1:08:24Jerusalem where the dome of the rock is
1:08:26is where the holy of holy is. That is
1:08:28where the temple stood and that is where
1:08:30the Cabba in Hebrew. That was where the
1:08:32Holy of Holy is. And the Jews would
1:08:34circumambulate seven times going
1:08:36counterclockwise. Why? Because that's
1:08:39what they did in Jericho.
1:08:41Because of what they did in Jericho.
1:08:43They're doing it in Judaism today. They
1:08:45would do it today if they control the
1:08:46ter mount. But they don't control it
1:08:48today because the Muslims control it
1:08:50today. Therefore, they can't do it
1:08:51today. That's why most of you don't know
1:08:53what that it's supposed to. Every Jew is
1:08:55supposed to do that. So the whole
1:08:57circumambulation seven times around the
1:09:00Cabba there in Mecca comes from
1:09:02Jerusalem. It's borrowed from the Jews.
1:09:04Even the word comes from Hebrew.
1:09:08That's the first stage. What do they do
1:09:09next? Well, then they run back and forth
1:09:13between these two mountains. They call
1:09:16them Marwa and Safa.
1:09:19Back and forth between Marwa and Safa.
1:09:21They're only about 20 50 yards away from
1:09:24the Cabba. So they're in the same area
1:09:27as the Cabba. They run back and forth
1:09:29between those two mountains. And why?
1:09:32Because they believe that is where Hagar
1:09:35was looking for water when she was
1:09:37thrown out of Mecca by Abraham. Remember
1:09:40Abraham was in Mecca. He rebuilt the
1:09:42Cabba there. Hagar is from Mecca. She's
1:09:45also buried there. Uh she is then thrown
1:09:48out with her son Ishmamail. Ishmamail is
1:09:50thirsty. He needs water. So she runs to
1:09:52Marawa, looks for water, can't find it.
1:09:54She runs to this mountain called Sappa.
1:09:56Can't find it. So, she runs back and
1:09:58forth seven times. There's that number
1:10:00seven again. That's the perfect number
1:10:01in Judaism, right? But take a look. Do
1:10:04those look like mountains to you?
1:10:07No. They look like rocks that you can
1:10:10climb. They're only about 20 ft high.
1:10:13That does not make a mountain. What's
1:10:15more, if she has been thrown out into
1:10:17the desert by Abraham and she can't find
1:10:21any water, what is she only doing 100
1:10:23yards away from the Cabba, which is the
1:10:26center of Mecca, where Abraham lives,
1:10:28where hundreds and thousands of people
1:10:30live. If she needed water, all she
1:10:32needed to do is knock on someone's door.
1:10:35So obviously, these are not the original
1:10:37mountains.
1:10:39This is nothing more than a faximile, a
1:10:42symbolism of the real Marwa and the real
1:10:46Safa. You want to know where the real
1:10:47Marwa and the real Safa are? Well, if
1:10:50you go to Petra, you will see Marwa and
1:10:52Safa, two mountains in Petra, who are
1:10:55called Marwa and Safa, but those are not
1:10:57the original Marwa and Safa. The
1:10:59original Marwa and Sulfa are in
1:11:01Jerusalem.
1:11:02Mount Mariah right there. Mount Mariah
1:11:05where Abraham was going to sacrifice his
1:11:08son Isaac
1:11:10is where
1:11:12the temple was built is where the temple
1:11:14mount was. What is the Arabic name for
1:11:17Moriah? Marwa.
1:11:20Here is the Kidedron Valley.
1:11:22On the other side of the Kidron Valley
1:11:24is Mount Scopus right there. There is
1:11:26Mount Mariah which is Safa. Marwa in
1:11:29Arabic. Mount Scopus in Arabic is Safa.
1:11:32There is Safa in Marwa. It is there in
1:11:35Jerusalem still today. They would go
1:11:38from Mount Mariah down across the
1:11:40Kidrron Valley up to Mount Scopus and
1:11:42back again seven times. And the reason
1:11:44they would do that is because the
1:11:46Kidrron Valley here especially is where
1:11:49they're going the uh hell is going to
1:11:52open up at the end of times. That is
1:11:54where they're going to be thrown into
1:11:56hell at the end of times. which is
1:11:58interesting because they have just taken
1:12:00the same structures, the same names and
1:12:04reproduced them there in Mecca. But
1:12:07instead of be mountains, these are
1:12:08mountains. These are mountains. The ones
1:12:12in Jerusalem are nothing more than
1:12:13rocks. Sorry. The ones in Mecca are
1:12:16nothing more than rocks. Thanks, honey.
1:12:18Ones in Mecca are nothing more than
1:12:19rocks.
1:12:21So if you look at the five stages, you
1:12:23see that the Cabba is borrowed there
1:12:25from from uh what we have in Jerusalem.
1:12:28You see the Safa and Marwa are also
1:12:30borrowed from what we have in Jerusalem.
1:12:33You then go to the hill of Arat where
1:12:34they pray outside that is found also in
1:12:37Petra with in Jerusalem. It's found
1:12:40outside of Jerusalem. Then you get to
1:12:42the se six jamarat. Now this is the one
1:12:44thing that is not borrowed from
1:12:45Jerusalem because for one very good
1:12:47reason. The Jamarat according to Islam
1:12:50is the pillar that where Satan is. And
1:12:52whenever Muslims come to Mecca, they
1:12:56take anywhere from 49 stones to 72
1:12:58stones and they throw it at that pillar
1:13:01to basically to destroy Satan. They're
1:13:04throwing it at Satan. And if you look at
1:13:06the pillar, there is this foundation,
1:13:08the pillar in Petra. Today, that pillar
1:13:11has been changed. It is now three
1:13:13pillars. It used to be just one pillar
1:13:16up until 1980. And so the 49 to 72
1:13:20stones that were being thrown at the
1:13:22pillar were against one Satan, which
1:13:25makes sense because according to Islam
1:13:27and Christianity and Judaism, there's
1:13:29only one Satan, right? But take a look
1:13:31today. It's now three pillars with a
1:13:34stairway in between. Three pillars.
1:13:38What are the three pillars symbolizing?
1:13:40If you ask any Muslim today, those
1:13:43jamarats are temptations of Abraham. So
1:13:46they're now throwing it against the
1:13:48temptations by Satan against Abraham.
1:13:52This narrative about the pillars has
1:13:55changed in the last 40 years, which
1:13:57means they're still creating Islam as
1:13:59they go. Even as we live, Islam is still
1:14:02creating a new narrative. I love that.
1:14:05And then they have the Zum well. The Zum
1:14:07well is really interesting. It's very
1:14:08small well. It only is about 20 ft
1:14:10across and only about 40 ft deep. And
1:14:13yet that is an ancient uh picture of an
1:14:16old picture of the Zum well. Today you
1:14:19won't see that picture anymore. But if
1:14:20you go to any Muslim and go to any
1:14:22Muslim shop, ask them have they had any
1:14:25Zum water. You go to any Muslim shop
1:14:27here in Bay Reges if there are any here
1:14:29or go to pool or go to uh whatever large
1:14:33city that's near you and ask for a zum
1:14:36water. Everybody has zum water. They
1:14:38sell zum water because that's how you
1:14:40you drink the zumam water and you get
1:14:42purified. It is even sweet. It's
1:14:45sweetened water. And all over the Muslim
1:14:47world, 1.8 billion Muslims drink the Zum
1:14:51water from that little well.
1:14:55So David Chappelle, who is a well-known
1:14:57comic, who's an American comic who's
1:14:58been converted to Islam, was questioned
1:15:00by David Letterman about a year ago and
1:15:03said, "What about this Zam Zam well?" He
1:15:04called it. What about this well that
1:15:06never never runs out of water? And and
1:15:09David said, "Yeah, this well is always
1:15:12has water because of Allah. Allah has
1:15:14provided water for the whole Muslim
1:15:15world. 1.8 billion Muslims can drink
1:15:18from that one well." Take a look at that
1:15:20well. Does that look like it could feed
1:15:22or water? 1.8 billion people. So, how do
1:15:25they do it? Allah gives them this water.
1:15:29It is unquenchable.
1:15:31Well, if you take a look and I should
1:15:32put some pictures up. I don't have the
1:15:34pictures today. I remember remind me
1:15:36Judy to put the pictures up. If you look
1:15:37the pictures up, there are actually it
1:15:40is now sealed over. There is a cover
1:15:42over top it and there are pipes going
1:15:44down into it and pipes coming back out
1:15:46of it. And those pipes are filling it
1:15:49with water and flushing it back out
1:15:51again. And guess where those pipes come
1:15:52from? Those pipes come from Jedha. From
1:15:55a desolination P plant made by Becttel
1:15:58Corporation,
1:16:00American Becttel Corporation. It has
1:16:02nothing to do with Allah. It has
1:16:04everything to do with the great Satan.
1:16:07We are the great Satan as they say. And
1:16:09I remember I put this up about two
1:16:11months ago on March three months ago.
1:16:13And boy did I get some feedback from
1:16:15kickback. Muslims do not like to be told
1:16:18that that which they have been drinking
1:16:19their whole life. Think it is forgiving
1:16:21their sins comes from America. Has
1:16:23nothing to do with God. They even put
1:16:26perfume in it to sweeten it up to show
1:16:29that it's a different water than
1:16:30anything else. God bless the Americans.
1:16:32Now we stop with this and this is the
1:16:36this is the this is the I don't know how
1:16:38to explain this. This is the black
1:16:40stone. Have any of you seen this before
1:16:42or have heard about this?
1:16:45The black stone is in the eastern corner
1:16:47of the cabba.
1:16:49That's it right there
1:16:52surrounded by this silver encasing. So
1:16:55the black stone is right here. That
1:16:57little bit there surrounded by the
1:16:59encasing there. You can see people who
1:17:01are kissing it. hundreds of people as
1:17:03they're circumulating you want to kiss
1:17:05that stone because by kissing that stone
1:17:08all your sins are forgiven
1:17:11which mean that is idolatry at its worst
1:17:15is it not yet what do Muslims say
1:17:18whenever they raised their fingers
1:17:22there is only one God but God right and
1:17:25they point to God and he is one one
1:17:28there is no other and if you believe any
1:17:30other you are mushri A mushik is someone
1:17:32who equates or elevates another person
1:17:34or another thing to God. We are called
1:17:36mushiks because we elevate God Jesus to
1:17:40his divine status. So we are kind called
1:17:43mushikun. Slay the musherun wherever you
1:17:46find them. Besiege them. Lay and wait
1:17:48with them with every kind of ambush.
1:17:49Chapter 9 verse 5. It's right there in
1:17:51the Quran. They are to slay us. Slay us
1:17:53if we equate another with God. Yet take
1:17:56a look at that stone there on the
1:17:57eastern corner of the cabba. It is as
1:18:00idolatrous as you can get because how
1:18:02can a stone forgive sins?
1:18:05So where did that stone come from? And
1:18:08why is it still there?
1:18:10The fact that it's at the very center of
1:18:13Islam, every Muslim prays towards that
1:18:16stone. Doesn't matter where they are in
1:18:18the world, the kibla is praying towards
1:18:19that stone. It is a it is the bastion of
1:18:22idolatry. And Muslims will not respond
1:18:26to you. Ask them. say, "What's the
1:18:28Blackstone doing there in the Cabba?"
1:18:30When you did the Huds, why did you want
1:18:31try to go kiss it? They have to have, if
1:18:33you look at that picture more carefully,
1:18:35and if you look at a film, they have to
1:18:37have guardsmen there pushing people away
1:18:39so that they won't so they so they can
1:18:41control the crowds because so many
1:18:43millions of people are trying to kiss
1:18:44that stone at once.
1:18:47Right at the whole center of Islam is
1:18:50based on the most idolatry motion. So,
1:18:53what have we done? And I'm going to
1:18:54finish here, and then we're going to
1:18:54have a break. conclusions concerning
1:18:56Mecca's historical problems. No one
1:18:58could find Mecca placed on in the Quran.
1:19:00Uh Cone could not find any maps of Mecca
1:19:02until 980. Gibson introduced the kiblas
1:19:05facing Petra uh from 2011 to 2017. The
1:19:10Dr. Patricia Kuron debunked completely
1:19:12the land trade based trade route theory
1:19:15to Mecca. We debunked the sea based
1:19:18trade uh theory towards Mecca. And then
1:19:21of course Gibson debunked the five
1:19:22stages of the Hajj in Mecca. Therefore
1:19:25conclusion though Mecca has existed
1:19:27since Adam and Eve's day in seven uh
1:19:30according to seven chapter 7 verse 24
1:19:33there is no evidence of it anywhere
1:19:35until 741 AD. And everything we now find
1:19:38in Mecca we could previously find in
1:19:40Petra and now even earlier in Jerusalem.
1:19:43So conclusions Mecca is foundational for
1:19:45both Muhammad and the Quran. So without
1:19:47it they both fall. references to Mecca
1:19:49in the Quran and traditions do not hold
1:19:51up historically as a center of history
1:19:53or even geographically or
1:19:55linguistically. What's more, neither the
1:19:57prophets the supposedly who were buried
1:20:00there nor the ancient maps that of
1:20:02Ptoamy nor the kiblas of Gibson's
1:20:05research support the early an early
1:20:07Mecca. Neither the land route on the
1:20:09western plateau nor the seaw route on
1:20:11the African coast supports an early
1:20:13Mecca. Topographical maps prove Mecca is
1:20:15off the western plateau and in a desert
1:20:18with no water. Thus the reason no
1:20:19civilization surrounding Arabia. That's
1:20:22why no one has heard of Mecca as people
1:20:24need water. The five stages of the Hajj,
1:20:26the Cababa, the Safad Mara, Arafat,
1:20:28Zamar, Zum Blackstone support Jerusalem
1:20:32and not Mecca. Someone somewhere at some
1:20:34time should have known about this city.
1:20:36Yet no one anywhere nor at any time has
1:20:39proving that it has never existed at the
1:20:41time Muhammad nor during early Islam.
1:20:45Any questions?
1:20:48No questions.
1:20:51>> Go ahead.
1:20:52>> So what's the black stone?
1:20:53>> So what is the black stone?
1:20:55>> Yeah.
1:20:56>> To understand the black stone, you need
1:20:57to go back to Algabilus. Well, actually
1:21:00the black stone is referred to back in
1:21:01the Egyptian time as far back as 4,000
1:21:04BC. We do know also of a black stone. We
1:21:07don't know if know it's the same black
1:21:08stone, but it's a meteorite that comes
1:21:10from the heavens that the phoenetians
1:21:13refer to the black stone. But it's the
1:21:15Romans who are the ones who really take
1:21:17pick it up and run with it. And it's
1:21:18alabilis, the emperor Algabilus in the
1:21:21second century who takes the black
1:21:23stone, takes it to Rome and claims that
1:21:26it is where God's presence is because it
1:21:28comes from the heavens. And he was the
1:21:30one that gives that gives that impetus
1:21:32to it that wherever the black stone is,
1:21:34God's presence goes with it. From Rome,
1:21:37it made its way to Damascus. Fro
1:21:38Damascus down to Petra. Abdul Malik when
1:21:41he was uh caiff in 685. His governor of
1:21:45Petra named Zubed
1:21:48rebelss against Abdul Malik in 687
1:21:51destroys Petra, grabs the black stone
1:21:53and runs with it. And he runs down to we
1:21:56now know pretty much it's Mecca. He
1:21:58doesn't say where he goes to. He just
1:21:59goes to the south. But it looks like he
1:22:01went to Mecca. When he took the stone,
1:22:04all the pilgrims followed him because
1:22:06they wanted to go where God's presence
1:22:08was. They weren't care. They didn't care
1:22:10dillishly swat about the politics. They
1:22:12just wanted to be where God was. But
1:22:14when he got down to Mecca, he needed
1:22:16allies. So what did he do? Well, he went
1:22:18to the Abbasids who lived up in Baghdad.
1:22:21The Umiads live in Damascus or this way.
1:22:25So they needed the black stone. They
1:22:27loved the black stones. They immediately
1:22:28made made allies with him. And
1:22:30therefore, all the kiblas are all
1:22:32confused from many different because
1:22:34they didn't know whether or not to have
1:22:35their kiblas going towards Petra or
1:22:37towards Mecca. Those who allied
1:22:40themselves with the Umiads, they had
1:22:42their kiblas going towards Petra. Those
1:22:44who allied themselves with the Abbasids,
1:22:46who are getting stronger and stronger
1:22:48and stronger now, they had their kiblas
1:22:50facing Mecca. The Abbasids then destroy
1:22:54the Umayads in 749 and everybody then
1:22:58now starts going to Mecca where the
1:23:00black stone is because that's God's
1:23:02presence. If God's presence is there
1:23:04today, it's still there today. But is it
1:23:08is as idolatrous as you can get.
1:23:10>> So if I was a Muslim reading the Quran,
1:23:13where does it say in the Quran?
1:23:15Anything?
1:23:15>> Nothing about it in the Quran at all.
1:23:17>> So what's it doing in the Cabba?
1:23:21>> Bingo.
1:23:22This is called folk Islam. And yet at
1:23:25the very center of Islam is the most
1:23:27idolatrous notion. It is an oxymoron. It
1:23:30is a contradiction in terms.
1:23:33Lovely, isn't it? We don't have that
1:23:35problem. Christianity. Thank God we
1:23:37don't have this problem. Okay. Now you
1:23:40have an awful lot of grist that you can
1:23:41throw at your Muslim friends. Any other
1:23:44questions? Did you understand everything
1:23:46I said?
1:23:48It's very visual, is it not? It's maps.
1:23:51It's timelines. We're going to get to
1:23:53even more visual after the break because
1:23:55now we're going to get into the coins
1:23:57and the inscriptions and these are fun.
1:23:59Okay, go have some coffee, some tea, and
1:24:02we'll come back in what time?

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