Who’s REALLY Behind the Anti Israel Propaganda? | James Lindsay — Transcript

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1. 0:00The Palestinian cause has been winning
2. 0:01this propaganda war. Their backing by
3. 0:03Russian information and influence agents
4. 0:05has been winning this war against
5. 0:07Americans, against Canadians. The
6. 0:09Chinese are helping, too, and they are
7. 0:11winning the information war. And unless
8. 0:13we get our handle on the information
9. 0:14war, this isn't oh, Israel's bad at the
10. 0:17PR war. That's not the case. The case is
11. 0:19that we have a very sophisticated KGB
12. 0:22level information operation infiltrating
13. 0:25all Western countries
14. 0:27completely under our radar through the
15. 0:30internet that nobody has been prepared
16. 0:33for.
17. 0:33>> Is this fundamentally an information war
18. 0:35rather than a military war? And does the
19. 0:38West even realize that it's an
20. 0:39ideological war?
21. 0:40>> Um, so in the West it's primarily an
22. 0:42information war. In total volume, it's
23. 0:44primarily an information war. A lot of
24. 0:46Americans are not ready for this.
25. 0:48Actually, I was talking to my wife last
26. 0:49night and I said that the most harrowing
27. 0:51thing at the time, it didn't strike me
28. 0:53at all, but the most harrowing thing I
29. 0:55think that I've read in the last 10
30. 0:57years, and I've read some pretty heavy
31. 0:58stuff, is this one line in a in a in a
32. 1:01report that was published by um Richard
33. 1:04Higgins and and Steve Collings uh about
34. 1:07the left and its operational system. I
35. 1:09read it in 2020 and then somewhere in
36. 1:11there the in the introduction, they said
37. 1:12that there was an assessment done by the
38. 1:13Chinese military and the Russian
39. 1:15intelligence service in the net late
40. 1:171990s that assessed that America's
41. 1:19ability to deal with information uh and
42. 1:22narrative warfare was so degraded as
43. 1:24that it might not exist. So, we're not
44. 1:27ready for this, right? And the the
45. 1:29social media has has made it feel like
46. 1:31it's happening, you know, that it's our
47. 1:33neighbors. You have all these people
48. 1:35that are probably and I mean not
49. 1:37probably, they're literally Pakistani
50. 1:39probably intelligence officers posing as
51. 1:42bread-and-butter Americans telling their
52. 1:45neighbors crazy stuff or their their
53. 1:47apparent neighbors crazy stuff and
54. 1:48Americans have been very slow to catch
55. 1:50on that this information war is
56. 1:51happening. In total volume, I think that
57. 1:54this it's in the West more information
58. 1:56war. In Israel, it's kinetic. It's not
59. 1:58just information war. And it turns out
60. 2:00that they're very, very good at the
61. 2:02classic provocation game that all
62. 2:05Marxists are very good at. You can read
63. 2:07in Saul Alinsky's old book, Rules for
64. 2:09Radicals, is that your enemy's reaction
65. 2:11is your real action. So, you know, on
66. 2:14October 7th, they do October 7th
67. 2:16atrocities. On October 8th, I tweeted,
68. 2:19"Oh, we have Gaza Floyd on our hands
69. 2:21here in the West." And so, they're going
70. 2:22to treat Gaza like the poor George
71. 2:25Floyd, who's now being beat up on by a
72. 2:27superior power, the police for George
73. 2:29Floyd, Israel with its backing with
74. 2:31United States military, you know,
75. 2:33capabilities in theory,
76. 2:36in in the case of the the Gaza
77. 2:38situation. So, the oh, you know,
78. 2:40everything Israel does in terms they get
79. 2:42struck with a kinetic warfare attack, or
80. 2:45they foil a identified terror plot, they
81. 2:49use force. Maybe it's in southern
82. 2:51Lebanon, maybe it's in Gaza, maybe it's,
83. 2:54you know, skirmishes in Judea Samaria,
84. 2:56maybe it goes with the Houthis.
85. 2:58Maybe it's direct strikes into Iran.
86. 3:00Everything Israel does, and now also by
87. 3:03extension everything America does with
88. 3:05kinetic force, is turned into a poor us
89. 3:07victim story as though they didn't
90. 3:09provoke it in the first place. As
91. 3:11though, as I like to say, they didn't
92. 3:13have it coming. And so,
93. 3:16this is the essence of that information
94. 3:18war, and they turn out to be
95. 3:20surprisingly good at it. They're I mean,
96. 3:23I don't know how actually people fall
97. 3:25for this at this point. You know, "Oh,
98. 3:26well, what about all the dead children?"
99. 3:28You mean the like You mean the ones that
100. 3:30like they strapped to their chest while
101. 3:32they ran forward with AKs?
102. 3:34Yeah, well, don't use children as human
103. 3:37shields in a in a military operation if
104. 3:39you don't want children to catch stray
105. 3:41bullets. And the Israelis go out of
106. 3:43their Like the Israelis are way better
107. 3:44than the Americans in this regard. The
108. 3:46The Americans send in an F-16 and blow
109. 3:47up a neighborhood. The Israelis are
110. 3:49doing these unbelievably precision
111. 3:51strikes to try to minimize loss of life
112. 3:54even for their,
113. 3:56you know, enemies, even for civilians
114. 3:58who support the people trying to murder
115. 4:00them. It's shocking to me that anybody
116. 4:02falls for this this many years later. On
117. 4:04October 8th, it didn't surprise me that
118. 4:06people fall for it because the idea that
119. 4:08the Palestinian culture is to just come
120. 4:10out and reverse the roles of victim and
121. 4:12offender and lie and lie and lie and
122. 4:14project and project was just not
123. 4:16something we were aware of. But we're 3
124. 4:18years into this lie, we're actually more
125. 4:19like 20 years into this lie, but 3 years
126. 4:21into this being an everyday lie that
127. 4:23we're encountering and it shocks me that
128. 4:24people aren't seeing through it. But the
129. 4:26fact is our ability to deal with
130. 4:28information warfare is so degraded that
131. 4:30it might not exist is one of that scary
132. 4:32sentence I read and we're actually
133. 4:34frighteningly slow to catch on. So, the
134. 4:37wars are primarily kinetic in the
135. 4:40region, but the bulk of the war in the
136. 4:43bigger sense is an information war. And
137. 4:45I think that's been true actually since
138. 4:47the Vietnam War. They figured out that
139. 4:49they could demoralize the home front
140. 4:51with photographs, with propaganda in a
141. 4:53way that they never could before.
142. 4:55Television and radio provided them
143. 4:57instruments to be able to do that. You
144. 4:59used to have to fly a plane over with
145. 5:00leaflets and drop them to try to
146. 5:02convince people or send, you know,
147. 5:04infiltrators in who would hammer, you
148. 5:06know, bulletins to a bulletin board or
149. 5:07something. And now it's not like that.
150. 5:09You You could get them on, you know, a
151. 5:11sappy story on TV that you paid somebody
152. 5:14to read and now in the internet age, you
153. 5:17can literally have a million Pakistanis
154. 5:19posing as Americans and British and
155. 5:21Scottish and Canadian pretending to be
156. 5:24your neighbors who are outraged by this
157. 5:26and create the effect of, as Martin
158. 5:28Gurri wrote about it in the Revolt of
159. 5:30the Public, um you you can create the
160. 5:32effect of the Arab Spring in any country
161. 5:35you want using the internet. So, social
162. 5:36media plays a huge role in saturating
163. 5:41countries that are not used to being
164. 5:43massively propagandized directly by
165. 5:45their enemies with massive propaganda
166. 5:47directly by their enemies. And so far,
167. 5:50hopefully this will start to turn or is
168. 5:52turning, but so far the Palestinian
169. 5:55cause has been winning this propaganda
170. 5:56war. Their backing by Russian
171. 5:58information and influence agents has
172. 6:00been winning this war against Americans,
173. 6:02against Canadians. The Chinese are
174. 6:04helping, too, and they're winning the
175. 6:06information war. And unless we get our
176. 6:07handle on the information war, this
177. 6:09isn't oh, Israel's bad at the PR war.
178. 6:11That's not the case. The case is that we
179. 6:13have a very sophisticated
180. 6:15KGB level information operation
181. 6:18infiltrating all Western countries
182. 6:22completely under our radar
183. 6:24through the internet that nobody has
184. 6:26been prepared for. And it includes, as
185. 6:28we're now becoming much more aware of,
186. 6:31homegrown,
187. 6:32you know, whether they're bought,
188. 6:34whether they're captured, whether
189. 6:35they're just bad, I don't know, actors
190. 6:37like Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, and
191. 6:39that entire giant crew, which is
192. 6:41increasingly looking more and more and
193. 6:42more like a coordinated network that was
194. 6:45activated to do this, not just in the
195. 6:47wake of October 7th, but in the lead-up
196. 6:49to October 7th, as well, um that we're
197. 6:51all having to now uh deal with. I mean,
198. 6:54I'm sure it's just a total big giant
199. 6:55coincidence that Ian Carroll, who has
200. 6:57pushed um
201. 6:59the anti-Israel line probably the
202. 7:02hardest, weirdly in right-wing spaces
203. 7:04since he's not even a right-wing
204. 7:05character,
205. 7:06just so happened to randomly publish a
206. 7:08book about the Palestinian cause on and
207. 7:11the problem of Israel on October 6th,
208. 7:132023. I'm sure that's a massive
209. 7:16miraculous coincidence that he happened
210. 7:18to like lay that piece of track out the
211. 7:20day before the attack. Um
212. 7:23So, I think there's a very broadly
213. 7:24connected network uh of people who are
214. 7:28very likely working directly with our
215. 7:29enemies from within that are also making
216. 7:32this information war even harder for our
217. 7:34high-trust society Western countries to
218. 7:36detect. Israel has this advantage that
219. 7:39they live among terrorists, and every
220. 7:40day is kind of a frontier survival story
221. 7:43and has been since it's not even since
222. 7:45it's re-founding in 1948, but since, you
223. 7:47know, the beginning of the Zionism
224. 7:49movement, plus the history of the Jews.
225. 7:51So, they have this advantage of knowing
226. 7:53better than to act in a high-trust way
227. 7:55around low-trust people. Right? And
228. 7:58Americans and Canadians and Westerners
229. 8:00in general basically have been fat and
230. 8:02stupid about information warfare and
231. 8:05propaganda for decades because we've had
232. 8:07that luxury and we've lived in a very
233. 8:09high-trust society and that's taken
234. 8:11advantage of. In the same way that the
235. 8:13conceptzia was taken advantage of in
236. 8:15Israel before October 7th. And it's not
237. 8:17a very popular view anymore. You don't
238. 8:19find too many even like, you know,
239. 8:21kibbutzniks out there, you know, hippies
240. 8:23out there arguing for Gaza anymore
241. 8:25because they wised up. Well, America,
242. 8:27Britain, France, Germany, Canada,
243. 8:30Australia all need to wise up in the
244. 8:31same way. We're all being played by this
245. 8:34um information warfare that's being
246. 8:36waged by all of the enemies of our
247. 8:39Western countries or democracies at the
248. 8:41same time.
249. 8:43>> Why do you think it is that some America
250. 8:45first voices have become increasingly
251. 8:48hostile towards Israel? Um I think you
252. 8:51would refer to them as the woke right.
253. 8:53Why is that so and why do we see it more
254. 8:54and more now?
255. 8:56>> Well, um I mean I I have some guesses as
256. 8:59for how and then there's guesses as to
257. 9:01why and they're not the same story. The
258. 9:03why is easier. The why is because it's a
259. 9:05perfect wedge and the
260. 9:07way that this has happened is through
261. 9:09massive propaganda of the type I just
262. 9:11described. You have Russian agents who
263. 9:13have posed as right-wing cells. You have
264. 9:16frankly traitors who might be Democrats,
265. 9:19who might be assets of foreign uh
266. 9:21governments, who might just be agitators
267. 9:23for their own other causes, independent
268. 9:25causes, who have been embedded within
269. 9:27the broad MAGA movement from its
270. 9:30beginning, who are pushing these kinds
271. 9:32of views and have been pushing these
272. 9:34kinds of views. Again, you have the
273. 9:36entire Iranian and then the whole
274. 9:39Palestinian
275. 9:40propaganda, you know, machine backed by
276. 9:43Russia and China. You have the Chinese
277. 9:45who understand the benefits of this.
278. 9:47From what I understand, the Pakistanis
279. 9:49are very
280. 9:50invested in this. And North Korea,
281. 9:52believe it or not, is somehow somewhat
282. 9:54sophisticated at this.
283. 9:55I understand that very few of these
284. 9:57entities are working together in the
285. 9:58sense of an alliance, the way that the
286. 10:00United States and Israel work together
287. 10:01in an alliance or the United States and
288. 10:03Great Britain have worked together in an
289. 10:04alliance. But they're more,
290. 10:06you know, alliances of opportunity or
291. 10:09frenemies, if you will, to use the term,
292. 10:11that they don't really get along, but
293. 10:13they both have mutual benefit to attack
294. 10:14America, so they are.
295. 10:16But what what the the why is that it's a
296. 10:19wedge. President Trump represents a
297. 10:21massive threat to the breaking out of
298. 10:23what what is called the multipolar world
299. 10:25model. The multipolar world model seems
300. 10:27to have been a plan
301. 10:29for a very long time. You see it on the
302. 10:31kind of broad mondialist left under the
303. 10:34World Economic Forum, which has been
304. 10:35talking about the multipolar world and
305. 10:37its emergence for decades.
306. 10:40You see it in like the, you know, the
307. 10:42Center for Foreign Relations. You could
308. 10:43even see the old kind of like Cato,
309. 10:46AEI, these kind of think tanks were
310. 10:48talking about the emergence of the
311. 10:50multipolar world. You could see it from
312. 10:51Heritage. You could hear Marco Rubio
313. 10:54giving speeches three or four years ago
314. 10:55about the world as this is a matter of
315. 10:57fact that the multipolar world has
316. 10:59arrived. The multipolar world from the
317. 11:02perspective of China is a stepping stone
318. 11:04to a Asian century dominated by Beijing.
319. 11:07So they're behind this whole project.
320. 11:09But then you have the Russian Duganites
321. 11:11who have infested the American right
322. 11:13wing who've been pushing this multipolar
323. 11:15world model. And the problem is is that
324. 11:17America's too strong, especially
325. 11:19American
326. 11:20business hegemony and American military
327. 11:22hegemony are both too strong for a
328. 11:25multipolar world to really take off. And
329. 11:27people who understand actual America
330. 11:29First agendas, like President Trump, are
331. 11:33a major hindrance to the emergence of a
332. 11:35President Trump doesn't want a
333. 11:36multipolar world. He wants an
334. 11:38American-dominated world.
335. 11:40Uh he thinks that Americans are not a
336. 11:42perfect steward of power, but the best
337. 11:44steward of power that's ever existed in
338. 11:46history, and they should make remain the
339. 11:48global steward of power. And even if you
340. 11:50don't believe that they were were all
341. 11:51that good at it, by God, we're better
342. 11:53than Beijing, and we're better than
343. 11:55Moscow. Uh Putin and Xi are not exactly
344. 11:58exemplars. The CCP and whatever the main
345. 12:01party of Russia is are not exactly
346. 12:03exemplars of, you know, ethical behavior
347. 12:06in the world, whereas the United States,
348. 12:07for all of its mistakes and missteps and
349. 12:10foibles and errors and and, you know,
350. 12:12evil actions that it may or may not have
351. 12:14taken,
352. 12:15has been a generally good steward of
353. 12:17peace, prosperity, opportunity, freedom,
354. 12:21uh all over the entire world. And
355. 12:23President Trump understands this. So,
356. 12:24President Trump has to be disrupted.
357. 12:26MAGA, the movement that supports him and
358. 12:28any likely successor to him in the vein
359. 12:30of political thought, has to be
360. 12:32disrupted. And Israel's the wedge. So,
361. 12:34that's the why.