Who Is Robert Maxwell? Narrated by Margaret Cho — Transcript
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- 0:00- [Interviewer] You understand
- 0:01that you're a very controversial man in this country.
- 0:04- I'm delighted.
- 0:05- [Margaret] That's Robert Maxwell.
- 0:06The media mogul grew up in a shack and died on a yacht.
- 0:10In between, he was a well-connected opportunist
- 0:12with Jekyll and Hyde personalities.
- 0:15His ruthlessness
- 0:16deeply affected his daughter, Ghislaine Maxwell,
- 0:18the British socialite accused of trafficking minors
- 0:21for a convicted sex offender, Jeffrey Epstein.
- 0:24I'm Margaret Cho,
- 0:25and this is the strange case of Robert Maxwell.
- 0:28(dramatic music)
- 0:35Robert Maxwell was born Jan Ludvik Hoch
- 0:37on June 10, 1923,
- 0:39in a remote salt mining village in Czechoslovakia.
- 0:43The region, part of the modern day Ukraine,
- 0:45shifted four times between World War I and World War II,
- 0:48before eventually collapsing into the Soviet Union.
- 0:52Growing up, times were tough.
- 0:54- We lived in one room with seven children,
- 0:58hungry most of the time.
- 1:00- [Margaret] The New York Post reported that Maxwell said,
- 1:02"I was never young.
- 1:04"I never had that privilege."
- 1:06Political turmoil shaped Maxwell's childhood.
- 1:08His family was Jewish, and he was coming of age
- 1:11right as Adolf Hitler rose to power.
- 1:13At 11, he was sent to study rabbinical literature.
- 1:17But a few years later, the Nazis invaded,
- 1:19so Robert decided to leave the yeshiva.
- 1:22Before catching the train home,
- 1:23he cut off his payot, his long side locks,
- 1:26to hide his Jewish identity.
- 1:28At 16, he enlisted in the Hungarian resistance as a spy,
- 1:33but was quickly arrested at the border.
- 1:35He spent four months shackled in a windowless room
- 1:39before the authorities ordered a show trial
- 1:41for his execution.
- 1:43But Maxwell, always in survival mode,
- 1:45managed to escape on his way to court.
- 1:48As soon as he was out,
- 1:49he immediately wanted back into the action.
- 1:51He joined the French Foreign Legion
- 1:54and was shipped to Liverpool.
- 1:56There, he taught himself English
- 1:58and changed his name to Ivan to sound more British.
- 2:01- I enjoyed the war.
- 2:03- [Margaret] His name changed again
- 2:05before he finally became Ian Robert Maxwell.
- 2:08By then, he was a second lieutenant
- 2:10in the Queen's Royal Regiment
- 2:12and wanted to sound more distinguished, Scottish,
- 2:15and, well, less Jewish.
- 2:17During the war, Maxwell became fluent in multiple languages
- 2:21and was often assigned to go undercover,
- 2:23but he didn't mind the danger.
- 2:25In fact, he had a reputation for acting pretty brazen
- 2:28and putting his life on the line for his soldiers,
- 2:31even if that meant going against orders.
- 2:33Near the end of his life, he was investigated
- 2:36for having possibly killed an unarmed German civilian
- 2:39during the war.
- 2:40Maxwell even admitted the crime in a letter to his wife,
- 2:43but the case was closed because investigators
- 2:46were unable to find a witness.
- 2:48When the war ended, Maxwell was awarded the Military Cross.
- 2:52That same year, he learned that his parents
- 2:54and four of his siblings had been killed at Auschwitz.
- 2:57But he didn't get much time to grieve.
- 2:59Immediately, he left for Paris and wed Betty Maynard,
- 3:02a friendly French Protestant woman he met two months earlier
- 3:05at a service men's club.
- 3:07Four days after the wedding and already back in the service,
- 3:11he sent Betty a very romantic letter
- 3:14with his six rules for the perfect partnership.
- 3:17One, don't nag.
- 3:19Two, don't criticize unduly.
- 3:22Three, give honest appreciation.
- 3:25Four, pay little attentions.
- 3:28Five, be courteous.
- 3:29Six, have the utmost confidence
- 3:32in yourself and your partner.
- 3:35When his military service ended,
- 3:36he took over a subsidiary
- 3:38of a medical and legal textbook company
- 3:41and renamed it Pergamon.
- 3:43At the same time, he was also importing and exporting goods
- 3:46under the name Anglo-Continental Exchange Limited
- 3:50with a business partner named Kurt Wallersteiner.
- 3:54For this, the FBI suspected the two had become Soviet spies.
- 3:58A British intelligence file also described Robert
- 4:01as a thoroughly bad character,
- 4:03and almost certainly financed by Russia.
- 4:06But they were never able to prove it.
- 4:08KGB or not, Robert's first big business scandal
- 4:11was on the horizon.
- 4:13In 1951, he acquired the publishing warehouse
- 4:16Simpkin Marshall with a loan from Wallersteiner.
- 4:19But when Wallersteiner inquired
- 4:20about the company's finances,
- 4:22he discovered that it was deeply in debt.
- 4:24Apparently Maxwell had been taking Simpkin's money
- 4:27and investing it in other ventures.
- 4:29By 1955, Robert had run the 175-year-old company
- 4:35into the ground.
- 4:37In 1957, Wallersteiner was indicted in the United States
- 4:41for violating the Trading with the Enemy Act.
- 4:43No more importing and exporting with the Soviet block.
- 4:47For Maxwell, things were relatively quiet
- 4:49on the business front for the next few years.
- 4:51The family had become quite wealthy
- 4:53and lived in a 53-room mansion in Oxford.
- 4:56In 1961, they had their ninth and final child,
- 5:00a daughter named Ghislaine.
- 5:02There was no question
- 5:03that Ghislaine was daddy's little girl.
- 5:05Maxwell kept a picture of her on his desk.
- 5:07And for a long time, it was the only photo in his office.
- 5:10He even named his beloved yacht after her.
- 5:13But for the most part, Maxwell's affection
- 5:15was characteristically hard to come by.
- 5:17He was a strict disciplinarian,
- 5:19and Betty recalled how he would shout
- 5:22and threaten and rant at the children
- 5:24until they were reduced to a pulp.
- 5:26In that giant house, the kids lived under a microscope.
- 5:30Maxwell would do things like assign them specialized topics
- 5:33to discuss at meal times,
- 5:35and then evaluate their performance.
- 5:38Ghislaine's brother Ian said,
- 5:39"I always felt like I was courting his approval.
- 5:41"You could never small talk with the old man.
- 5:44"Either something was of consequence, or it wasn't."
- 5:47For as cruel as he could be,
- 5:48Maxwell could also be very charismatic.
- 5:51In the early 1960s, he became a politician
- 5:54and ran on the Labor Party ticket.
- 5:56According to his friend Dick Davy, Maxwell said,
- 5:59"Well of course I'm conservative.
- 6:01"But I'm not a member of the establishment.
- 6:03"So I've got to become Labor."
- 6:05Maxwell became a member of Parliament in 1964.
- 6:08When he was up for re-election,
- 6:10he called himself the Man Who Gets Things Done
- 6:13and won by an even wider margin.
- 6:15But that reputation didn't last long.
- 6:18He started recommending questionable austerity measures,
- 6:22like taking the free milks out of school lunches.
- 6:24And an investigation by the Sunday Times
- 6:27revealed he'd been using some creative accounting.
- 6:30Maxwell threatened to sue the Times.
- 6:32But later, his demeanor changed entirely,
- 6:35and he even congratulated Harold Evans, the paper's editor,
- 6:38on his thorough research.
- 6:40Evans said the businessman seemed to have two modes.
- 6:43Either he would thump the table and bellow at you,
- 6:46or he would turn seductive and pretend to be your friend.
- 6:49You never knew which Maxwell you were going to get.
- 6:52That was Maxwell's M-O.
- 6:54In her memoir, Betty described Maxwell
- 6:56as having Jekyll and Hyde personalities
- 6:58and said he often reserved his worst self
- 7:00for his innermost circles.
- 7:02No one was spared, not even his favorite.
- 7:05One time, when Ghislaine said she wanted
- 7:07to meet a businessman named Donald Trump,
- 7:09Maxwell asked her, "Have you got your head in your bum?
- 7:12"Why the **** would Donald Trump want to waste his time
- 7:15"seeing you with your crappy gifts
- 7:17"when he has a multi-million-dollar business to run?"
- 7:20In 1969, Maxwell suffered two big blows to his reputation.
- 7:25He lost a bid for the tabloid newspaper News of the World,
- 7:29which was later scooped up
- 7:30by Australian businessman Rupert Murdoch.
- 7:33Maxwell had burned Murdoch
- 7:35on a business deal some years earlier,
- 7:37and the two men were bitter rivals.
- 7:40- [Interviewer] How do you feel about the prospect
- 7:41of losing yet another newspaper to Mr. Murdoch?
- 7:44- Well it's not my newspaper that I was losing.
- 7:47I just happened to be the person who took the lead
- 7:50in negotiating for the Sun to become a paper
- 7:53that would give the Labor Party
- 7:55and the Labor movement support.
- 7:57- [Margaret] Meanwhile, the Sunday Times
- 7:59had caught wind of trouble at Pergamon.
- 8:01Rumors were swirling that Maxwell
- 8:02was creating an illusion of profitability
- 8:05by using other subsidiaries
- 8:07to buy expensive encyclopedia sets.
- 8:10Fun.
- 8:11Maxwell denied the rumors, but became paranoid
- 8:14about whether Murdoch had planted the article.
- 8:16In 1970, following this series of public humiliations,
- 8:20Maxwell lost his seat in Parliament.
- 8:23In 1980, Maxwell began to salvage his business reputation
- 8:26by saving Europe's largest printing company from bankruptcy.
- 8:29But he still wanted a paper.
- 8:31At the time,
- 8:32Murdoch owned the right-leaning tabloid The Sun,
- 8:34so Maxwell set his sights on The Sun's rival,
- 8:37the left-leaning Daily Mirror.
- 8:39When he acquired the Mirror in 1984,
- 8:41Maxwell brought his creative accounting practices with him.
- 8:45He used the company's four pension funds
- 8:47as his personal piggy banks,
- 8:49borrowing millions of pounds to cover shortfalls.
- 8:51He repaid the loans, but he knew it was risky.
- 8:54In 1988, he combined the pensions into a single fund
- 8:58to be managed by a Lichtenstein-based foundation,
- 9:01his very own Maxwell Charitable Trust.
- 9:04Maxwell was borrowing hundreds of millions
- 9:06to keep his printing press empire,
- 9:08Maxwell Communication Corporation, afloat
- 9:10so graphics like these could stay in tact.
- 9:22And banks kept giving him loans
- 9:23because he backed them with the money in Lichtenstein.
- 9:26The same year Maxwell acquired the Mirror,
- 9:28he accompanied fellow British business tycoon Gerald Ronson
- 9:32to a meeting with the Israeli Prime Minister.
- 9:34For decades, Maxwell had kept his Jewish roots private.
- 9:37But Ronson convinced him to admit his ancestry.
- 9:40Midway through their meeting,
- 9:41Maxwell announced he wanted
- 9:42to invest a quarter of a billion dollars in Israel
- 9:45and agreed to share security intel with the Mossad.
- 9:49Maxwell kept his word.
- 9:50Two years later, an Israeli nuclear technician
- 9:53named Mordechai Vanunu went to London
- 9:55hoping to blow the whistle
- 9:56on a dangerous nuclear arms program.
- 9:58He was prepared to sell the evidence to the Sunday Times.
- 10:01But Maxwell persuaded him to sell the story
- 10:04to the Mirror instead.
- 10:05Maxwell sent the pictures to the Israeli embassy in London,
- 10:08supposedly to confirm the truth of the story.
- 10:12But Maxwell never paid Vanunu
- 10:14and never ran the story either.
- 10:16Later, Vanunu was drugged and kidnapped back to Israel,
- 10:19where he was imprisoned on crimes against the state.
- 10:22Some years later, at Maxwell's funeral,
- 10:25Israeli President Shimon Peres
- 10:27personally praised Maxwell's services to Israel.
- 10:31In addition to his creative accounting,
- 10:32Maxwell employed some creative management practices
- 10:36at the Mirror.
- 10:36Almost immediately, he forced the unions
- 10:39to accept mass layoffs
- 10:40and threatened to shut the paper down
- 10:42if they didn't agree to his terms.
- 10:44Needing to be in control at all times,
- 10:46he even wired tapped the office phones.
- 10:49- American business,
- 10:52ethics do not exist.
- 10:55And business apparently,
- 10:57you've got to assume right from the beginning
- 11:01that you're dealing with people
- 11:03who have got the morals of barnyard roosters.
- 11:07- [Margaret] Maxwell was losing control.
- 11:08That year, he divorced Betty
- 11:10on the grounds she was raving mad.
- 11:12And a financial paper revealed
- 11:13that Maxwell Communication Corporation
- 11:15was operating at significant losses.
- 11:18Maxwell attempted to refute this,
- 11:20but the writing was on the wall.
- 11:22He was forced to repay his debts
- 11:23by liquidating a bunch of assets,
- 11:25including his 51% stake in MTV Europe,
- 11:29a pretty desperate move in 1990.
- 11:33His finances got so unmanageable
- 11:35that, in 1991, he sold his crown jewel, Pergamon.
- 11:39By this point, Maxwell had sold 96 million pounds
- 11:43of the Mirror's pension assets.
- 11:45The paper's finance director noticed some discrepancies
- 11:48and launched an internal investigation.
- 11:50It turned out Maxwell owed over a billion pounds
- 11:54to several banking institutions,
- 11:56including Lehman Brothers and Goldman Sachs.
- 11:58Eventually, the Swiss bank called in the fraud squad.
- 12:01On November 1, 1991,
- 12:03Maxwell boarded his yacht the Lady Ghislaine
- 12:06for a last-minute trip to Madeira and the Canary Islands.
- 12:09The crew said he was in unusually good spirits
- 12:12and didn't do any work, which was unlike him.
- 12:15He also boarded alone, no butler, no personal assistant,
- 12:19and brought almost no luggage with him.
- 12:21Then, on the morning of November 5th,
- 12:23his crew noticed him missing.
- 12:25A few days later, his body was recovered
- 12:28from the Atlantic Ocean.
- 12:29- I also want to take this opportunity
- 12:33to thank all the many hundreds of people
- 12:40who have sent messages of support
- 12:44to us at this very, very sad time.
- 12:49- [Margaret] What happened to Robert Maxwell
- 12:50is still a mystery.
- 12:52Some have speculated that he may have taken his own life
- 12:54or even been killed.
- 12:55But many think his death was probably just an accident.
- 12:59Although Ghislaine was his favorite,
- 13:00Kevin became his primary inheritor
- 13:02because Robert did not believe that these things
- 13:05should go to women.
- 13:06Kevin and Ian were unable
- 13:08to salvage their father's companies
- 13:09and went through the largest bankruptcy in British history.
- 13:13In 1996, the sons faced fraud trials,
- 13:15but were both acquitted.
- 13:17Defrauded out of 446 million pounds,
- 13:20pensioners at the Mirror and other Maxwell companies
- 13:22were eventually bailed out by public funds,
- 13:25though they only ever received about half
- 13:27of what they were entitled to.
- 13:29And somehow, the Lady Ghislaine
- 13:31is now owned by Rupert Murdoch's ex-wife, Anna.
- 13:36In the end, Robert's antiquated views on inheritance
- 13:39protected Ghislaine from taking on any legal responsibility.
- 13:42But she didn't need to inherit her father's crimes.
- 13:45She was already well on her way
- 13:47to creating an infamous legacy of her own.
- 13:50For more on Ghislaine Maxwell,
- 13:52be sure to check out the brand new docu-series
- 13:54"Chasing Ghislaine", now on Discovery+.
- 13:59(dramatic music)
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