Whistleblower Christopher Wylie: 'Facebook hasn’t been wholly candid with what it knew' — Transcript

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1. 0:00book lost people love Facebook see
2. 0:02pictures of their friends babies and
3. 0:04their trip so they keep in touch with
4. 0:05folks maybe they haven't seen it for
5. 0:06years it did Facebook do something wrong
6. 0:08here oh boy
7. 0:12so I I think I don't even know where to
8. 0:17begin
9. 0:18I am so first of all you know I think
10. 0:21that Facebook hasn't been wholly candid
11. 0:27with with what it knew when and what how
12. 0:33much did it tolerate the projects that
13. 0:35were happening because it it actually
14. 0:37approved to the terms and conditions of
15. 0:39the application so before before the
16. 0:43data harvesting began Facebook was
17. 0:45notified with the new set of terms and
18. 0:47conditions that said this data is going
19. 0:48to be pulled this is how it's going to
20. 0:49be pulled and it's going to be
21. 0:52commercialized transferred and sold this
22. 0:54happens before this collect on 87
23. 0:56million this happens before and they
24. 0:57approved it now the CTO of Facebook at
25. 1:01the British Parliament a couple weeks
26. 1:03ago said that they may not have read the
27. 1:05terms and conditions before they
28. 1:08approved a would be like all of us and
29. 1:10so they always do that
30. 1:11the irony of a company that says oh well
31. 1:14you've got these users that sign these
32. 1:15terms and conditions so they agree for
33. 1:17us to do whatever we want with their
34. 1:18data don't even read terms and
35. 1:20conditions of applications that then
36. 1:21take that data also and it's because you
37. 1:24know fundamentally part there's that
38. 1:26there's an aspect of Facebook's business
39. 1:28model which is that doesn't involve
40. 1:32privacy when you take you have to
41. 1:33remember when you're taking data off of
42. 1:35Facebook whether it is legitimately or
43. 1:38illegitimately
44. 1:39that data often is just used to optimise
45. 1:42Facebook advertising so and which is
46. 1:45what happened with Cameron general
47. 1:46Innoko so you know I suspect that
48. 1:49Facebook turned the you know turned the
49. 1:52other way when it was happening because
50. 1:54ultimately they make money off of it
51. 1:56this is why when you think about even
52. 1:59the very layout of Facebook the likes
53. 2:01page right when was the last time you
54. 2:03ever went on the likes page when I would
55. 2:05say we ever looked at your own likes or
56. 2:06somebody else's likes probably pretty
57. 2:08rarely when have you scrolled down all
58. 2:10of the likes probably pretty rarely so
59. 2:12you've got all these features
60. 2:13that make it really easy to scrape
61. 2:15profiles that have no actual utility for
62. 2:18users and Facebook has design so
63. 2:21Facebook's design their entire platform
64. 2:22so just baked data very easily available
65. 2:25after we give them the data that's not
66. 2:27to say that you know they're doing it
67. 2:28intentionally in force you know so we're
68. 2:30giving it to them right what work how
69. 2:31are they acting wrongly if we were just
70. 2:33giving him all this data shouldn't they
71. 2:34use it over they want no because that's
72. 2:36like saying you know should I should be
73. 2:38able to that I should be able to build a
74. 2:40building with no fire exits because it
75. 2:43ruins the concept of my you know
76. 2:44aesthetic and and if and and so long as
77. 2:47I put terms and conditions outside of
78. 2:49the building that says you might burn
79. 2:50alive it's up to those people if they
80. 2:52burn alive so be it they wanted to see
81. 2:54my conceptual building you know the
82. 2:56thing the thing the thing that's really
83. 2:57important I think for people to
84. 2:59understand is that we so in modern
85. 3:02society what what job can you get where
86. 3:05you refuse to use the Internet right it
87. 3:07is the new electricity right so when
88. 3:10people sign up to terms and conditions
89. 3:12it's it's sort of it's a false choice
90. 3:15because it's like saying well you can if
91. 3:16you don't wanna get electrocuted don't
92. 3:18use electricity and go be a hermit in in
93. 3:20the mountains somewhere right it's not a
94. 3:22real choice and so it's not even what is
95. 3:25Facebook doing wrong or what they're
96. 3:27doing what they're doing right or you
97. 3:29know should people just leave Facebook
98. 3:31it's like well if you leave Facebook you
99. 3:33still you're still on Google you know
100. 3:34you're still using Twitter you're still
101. 3:35using uber you still using everything to
102. 3:37do with modern society involves the
103. 3:40collection and harvesting of data and so
104. 3:43we should not be thinking about it
105. 3:44through the lens of this false consent
106. 3:47in terms and conditions we should be
107. 3:48thinking about it like we do for
108. 3:50everything else is important in our
109. 3:51lives whether it's food medicine cars
110. 3:53whatever in terms of safety in terms of
111. 3:56consumer rights that you don't actually
112. 3:58have a real choice to use what is
113. 4:00effectively a utility on the Internet
114. 4:02and so whether or not you agree or don't
115. 4:05agree on these terms and conditions that
116. 4:07no one reads it should be a moot point
117. 4:09we should be creating as a society a
118. 4:13common set of standards that apply
119. 4:15universally to whatever technology
120. 4:17company it is that says this is what
121. 4:19you're allowed to do and what you're not
122. 4:20allowed to do with data full-stop