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What the Palisades Fire Taught Corona FD About Mop-Up | Michael Leckliter — Transcript

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  1. 0:04There we go.
  2. 0:06>> So, I'm going to talk to you guys a
  3. 0:07little bit about today how we are using
  4. 0:08or have the ability to use drones, uh,
  5. 0:11ATAC, and a couple different software
  6. 0:12solutions to really make sure that a
  7. 0:16fire that we go on is out and doesn't
  8. 0:18become a problem later on. So, first
  9. 0:20off, a little bit about me. U, I've been
  10. 0:22with the Corona Fire Department for 19
  11. 0:24years now. Um, I am our UAS manager. I
  12. 0:29manage a fleet. We actually are pretty
  13. 0:30lucky. We have a UAS on every fire
  14. 0:34engine in the city of Corona. We use the
  15. 0:37DJI Mavic 3 thermals. Like everyone's
  16. 0:40trained to use them. On top of that, I
  17. 0:42also manage all of our TAC devices. We
  18. 0:45have roughly 75 devices uh between
  19. 0:48phones and tablets. Again, every fire
  20. 0:50engine that we have typically has at
  21. 0:52least three TAC devices on it. So, we
  22. 0:54are wellversed in TAC. Uh, and it all
  23. 0:57started back from my introduction to it
  24. 0:59back in uh, 2019 when AJ brought it back
  25. 1:02from some of the wildfires and said,
  26. 1:04"Here's this really cool thing. Uh,
  27. 1:06let's figure it out. How how can we use
  28. 1:08it?"
  29. 1:11All right. So, in California, we have
  30. 1:14over 8,000 wildfires that burn across
  31. 1:18the state each year. Um, so out there in
  32. 1:21California, we pretty much say that
  33. 1:22that's California's state bird. It's the
  34. 1:24air tanker. So fire season is a term
  35. 1:28that we use a lot. And fire season in
  36. 1:30California, it doesn't really end
  37. 1:32anymore. For those that are out in
  38. 1:35California, we know that it usually
  39. 1:37comes twice a year. You've got your
  40. 1:39really hot dry heat in the summertime,
  41. 1:42but this time the the the fall kind of
  42. 1:45early winter, we have a unique event
  43. 1:47where we get the Santa Ana winds or
  44. 1:49those those really dry long sustained
  45. 1:51winds. Um, so what does that mean for us
  46. 1:54when these fires come across? It's long
  47. 1:57days that blur into nights. We got
  48. 1:59engines staged at the edge of canyons,
  49. 2:02the smell of smoke that doesn't quite
  50. 2:04ever wash out. It's fastmoving fire,
  51. 2:07unpredictable winds, and a constant race
  52. 2:10to try and stay one step ahead of a
  53. 2:13fastmoving fire, which is really just a
  54. 2:16force that doesn't rest. We train. We
  55. 2:19prepare for it. And when the hills light
  56. 2:21up, it's all hands on de deck.
  57. 2:24Every spark is a threat. Every ember can
  58. 2:27mean another home, another life, another
  59. 2:29fight.
  60. 2:32But when the flames die down and the
  61. 2:35cameras leave, that's when the real work
  62. 2:37begins. So we call it mopup. It's a
  63. 2:40long, dirty, painstaking process of
  64. 2:43making sure that the fire is truly out.
  65. 2:46It's crawling through blackened ground
  66. 2:48with hand tools, turning over smoldering
  67. 2:51logs and soaking hot spots till the hiss
  68. 2:53is gone. It's hot, it's slow, and it's
  69. 2:57often thankless. But it's what keeps the
  70. 3:00small victory from turning into a
  71. 3:03tomorrow's large disaster.
  72. 3:08But we have to do it right. So, let's
  73. 3:11talk about what caused the Palisades
  74. 3:13fire. It wasn't a down power line or a
  75. 3:16new ignition. It was a holdover fire.
  76. 3:19It's a powerful reminder that when mopup
  77. 3:21isn't done completely, the fire is not
  78. 3:24over. It's just waiting for the next
  79. 3:26chance to ignite and consume. Fire is
  80. 3:29ruthless. Fire is relentless. It is
  81. 3:31destructive and it is deadly.
  82. 3:35So, we're going to start with the
  83. 3:36Lochman fire. Uh we begin here because
  84. 3:38this is actually the root of our uh
  85. 3:40tragic but preventable tale.
  86. 3:44The area of the fire was known to be a
  87. 3:47very high risk due to years of
  88. 3:49vegetation growth and a prolonged
  89. 3:51drought resulting in an abundance of
  90. 3:54fuel. It was just ready to burn. So on
  91. 3:57New Year's Day, a seemingly small brush
  92. 4:00fire broke out very early in the
  93. 4:02morning, started by an arsonist uh near
  94. 4:05a popular hiking trail. The crews
  95. 4:08suppressed it pretty quickly and the
  96. 4:10forward progress was stopped in just a
  97. 4:12few hours. But what can't always be
  98. 4:15seen, heat underneath the surface,
  99. 4:17apparently lingered.
  100. 4:19What looks out may not actually be out.
  101. 4:22And the latent heat becomes our risk
  102. 4:25vector.
  103. 4:28So here's where the trigger builds. A
  104. 4:30major wind event was forecast just days
  105. 4:33after the Lochman fire was put out. We
  106. 4:36call them Santa Ana winds. Their red
  107. 4:38flag warning was issued January 6th for
  108. 4:42a significant wind event that was
  109. 4:44supposed to begin on January 7th,
  110. 4:47lasting for several days. In fact, the
  111. 4:49National Weather Service stated that
  112. 4:51this is a life-threatening windstorm.
  113. 4:54Gusts were expected to reach 60 to 80
  114. 4:57miles an hour with some areas,
  115. 4:59especially in the mountains, to hit 90
  116. 5:01miles hour.
  117. 5:04Meanwhile, there's subtle signs of smoke
  118. 5:07or smoldering in the prior burn area
  119. 5:09were observed. Several hikers and
  120. 5:12residents noted wisps of smoke and a
  121. 5:14smoky odor in that fire
  122. 5:17um days prior to the Palisades fire
  123. 5:19breaking out. So now you have residual
  124. 5:22heat, increasing winds, and dry fuels.
  125. 5:26You that's pretty much the recipe for
  126. 5:28disaster.
  127. 5:31So, the Palisades fire was devastating.
  128. 5:33It ignited in the same area as that
  129. 5:35early Lochman fire and ultimately spread
  130. 5:38through steep canyons into densely
  131. 5:40populated neighborhoods. In a matter of
  132. 5:43hours, thousands were evacuated,
  133. 5:46thousands of homes were destroyed, and
  134. 5:4812 lives were lost. It became Los
  135. 5:50Angeles's most uh destructive fire in
  136. 5:53recent memory. But beyond the physical
  137. 5:56damage, the fire really revealed a hard
  138. 5:58truth. Even a small pocket of heat left
  139. 6:02unchecked can lead to catastrophic
  140. 6:04consequences.
  141. 6:06It reminded us all in the fire service
  142. 6:08that mop-up isn't just your final step.
  143. 6:10It's that line of defense between
  144. 6:12containment and catastrophe.
  145. 6:17So the question becomes, after seeing
  146. 6:19what happened in the Palisades fire, how
  147. 6:21is the Corona Fire Department making
  148. 6:23sure that doesn't happen in Corona?
  149. 6:26How are we using technology to confirm
  150. 6:28that every fire is truly out and no
  151. 6:30hidden heat is left behind to reignite
  152. 6:32later? Our approach combines UAS,
  153. 6:36thermal imaging, and TAC to verify
  154. 6:38extinguishment with data, not just
  155. 6:41assumptions.
  156. 6:44So, before we dive into TAC and how we
  157. 6:46use our UAS, I want to give you a little
  158. 6:48bit of background about Corona. So,
  159. 6:50we're about 35 miles uh southeast of
  160. 6:53downtown LA. You can kind of see on the
  161. 6:55map there, we're at a crossroads where
  162. 6:57Riverside, Sanardino, Orange County, and
  163. 7:00Los Angeles County all meet. We call
  164. 7:02that area the solar area because it's
  165. 7:05Sanino, Orange, Los Angeles, Riverside.
  166. 7:09Um, it's a complex wildland urban
  167. 7:12interface area that has to demand
  168. 7:15coordination between all these bordering
  169. 7:17mutual aid agencies.
  170. 7:20The city covers roughly 40 square miles.
  171. 7:22We have 160,000 residents. Um, we're
  172. 7:26also a career fire department. We have
  173. 7:27seven fire stations. We have 35
  174. 7:29personnel on duty every day.
  175. 7:32We're all risk. We handle everything
  176. 7:34from wildfire, structure fire, hazmat
  177. 7:37response, and primarily we run medical
  178. 7:39aids.
  179. 7:43So, we start out on Friday, July 25th of
  180. 7:46this year. A fastmoving brush fire
  181. 7:49ignited near Palisades Drive and Green
  182. 7:50River Drive. right along that solar
  183. 7:53response zone in Corona late in the
  184. 7:55afternoon. This area is known for having
  185. 7:59a strong afternoon wind as well as being
  186. 8:01in a canyon-like area. The fire prompted
  187. 8:04evacuation orders as crews hit it hard
  188. 8:06with ground and air resources from
  189. 8:08multiple agencies in that solar response
  190. 8:10plan. Fire was mapped at roughly 30
  191. 8:13acres with Corona fire assuming command.
  192. 8:17Evacuations were lifted the next day
  193. 8:19while containment steadily increased.
  194. 8:22The cause remained under investigation,
  195. 8:24but it was suspected to be the result of
  196. 8:25a homeless encampment fire.
  197. 8:28But this incident underscores how
  198. 8:30quickly a small start in your
  199. 8:31neighborhoods can escalate and later why
  200. 8:34rapid detection and targeted mop-up
  201. 8:37intelligence really matters.
  202. 8:40So let's talk again about that fires
  203. 8:42program. Uh fire stands for fire
  204. 8:44integrated real-time intelligence
  205. 8:46system. It's a California initiative
  206. 8:48that provides real-time aerial
  207. 8:50surveillance uh to support wildfire
  208. 8:52decision-making. Using these ISR
  209. 8:55aircraft equipped with advanced uh
  210. 8:57infrared and electrooptical sensors,
  211. 8:59FYIs gives us live video feeds and
  212. 9:01produces highly accurate perimeter maps
  213. 9:04within minutes of them arriving on
  214. 9:05scene. And fortunately for the Corona
  215. 9:07Fire Department, a firsus aircraft just
  216. 9:10took off from our local airport as this
  217. 9:13fire was starting. They were in route to
  218. 9:15another fire out in the desert. But uh
  219. 9:17they were able to quickly divert,
  220. 9:19conduct our ISR surveillance mission and
  221. 9:22uh give us our product outputs before
  222. 9:24they went to their initial mission.
  223. 9:28So
  224. 9:31live full motion video provided initial
  225. 9:34intel to the ground crews during the
  226. 9:36firefight. It helped direct resources
  227. 9:38where the most active portions of the
  228. 9:40fire were, helped prevent extension of
  229. 9:42the homes above the hillside, but that
  230. 9:45valuable information contained well
  231. 9:47beyond the active firefight.
  232. 9:53The fire flights produced perimeter
  233. 9:55polygons which were published over KML
  234. 9:58network link all able to be ingested and
  235. 10:00attacked just minutes after performing
  236. 10:02the flight. Crews were able to knock
  237. 10:04down the fire with no damage reported to
  238. 10:06any structure and no injuries reported
  239. 10:08by any firefighter or civilian.
  240. 10:12Now with the fire out we had to go into
  241. 10:16mopup without any additional
  242. 10:18intelligence. Mop-up is slow, manual,
  243. 10:20sensory. The crews are going to be
  244. 10:22moving line by line through the black,
  245. 10:24relying on sight, touch,
  246. 10:28uh, instinct to find hidden heat. As I
  247. 10:30mentioned before, they're going to be
  248. 10:32digging through the ashes with their
  249. 10:33tools. They're going to be turning over
  250. 10:35smoldering logs, putting out any hot
  251. 10:37spots,
  252. 10:38um, and just they're going to be there
  253. 10:40for quite a while. So progress usually
  254. 10:43depends on experience, but even our
  255. 10:45seasoned firefighters can miss some
  256. 10:47pretty deep-seated embers.
  257. 10:50Any incident that's larger than a few
  258. 10:52acres, um making sure that we verify
  259. 10:54every hot spot is cold, it can take
  260. 10:57hours or even days of very labor
  261. 11:00intensive work. The result, greater
  262. 11:03exposure to the firefighters, longer
  263. 11:05commitment of resources, and the ling
  264. 11:07lingering risk that that single unseen
  265. 11:11ember or hotspot could reignite, you
  266. 11:14know, the entire high hillside.
  267. 11:17Now, large scale wild wildfires often
  268. 11:19utilize manned aircraft equipped with
  269. 11:22infrared sensors, and they produce great
  270. 11:24output hotspot maps like the one you see
  271. 11:27here. But when it comes to small
  272. 11:29incidents or even medium-sized
  273. 11:31incidents, we simply don't have the
  274. 11:33resources to call upon these costly and
  275. 11:36uh very resource consuming items. So
  276. 11:39instead, we have to rely on different
  277. 11:42features.
  278. 11:44So instead of waiting for these costly
  279. 11:46aerial assets, we've brought that same
  280. 11:48infrared technology down to the local
  281. 11:51level using our own thermal equipped UAS
  282. 11:54to perform detailed hotspot mapping
  283. 11:57immediately after containment. So after
  284. 12:00the fires contained, our fire department
  285. 12:02uses our Mavic 3 thermals. We conduct
  286. 12:04system systemic infrared flights over
  287. 12:07the burn area. The missions are flown at
  288. 12:10a medium altitude, typically after dark,
  289. 12:13and we capture some pretty high
  290. 12:14resolution thermal imagery that reveals
  291. 12:16any residual heat signatures that are
  292. 12:18invisible to the naked eye.
  293. 12:22Now, to make thermal mapping faster and
  294. 12:25more intuitive, the Corona Fire
  295. 12:27Department developed a custom flight
  296. 12:29planning app that integrates directly
  297. 12:31with TAC. Instead of manually
  298. 12:33programming a flight parameters into the
  299. 12:35drone's native mission mission app, the
  300. 12:38user simply draws an area of interest on
  301. 12:40TAC and exports it. The app
  302. 12:43automatically generates a readyto-fly
  303. 12:46UAS mission using parameters that are
  304. 12:48already optimized for wildfire mapping
  305. 12:51operations. The result, significantly
  306. 12:53increased efficiency, reduced mission
  307. 12:55setup time from several minutes to just
  308. 12:57several seconds, all while ensuring we
  309. 13:00have a consistent altitude overlap
  310. 13:02camera configurations.
  311. 13:05By automating these technical steps, the
  312. 13:07pilot can focus on getting the critical
  313. 13:08data and not trying to program flight
  314. 13:10lines.
  315. 13:12So, here's a real-time workflow of how
  316. 13:14UAS operations take basic intel, which
  317. 13:17is the fire parameters there in green,
  318. 13:18to create a mission for a flight plan.
  319. 13:21So they're going to draw a polygon
  320. 13:22around that area of interest where we
  321. 13:25want to have a a flight mapped.
  322. 13:28They're going to simply use ATAC to
  323. 13:30export that shape as a KML.
  324. 13:34And the great thing about TAC is it just
  325. 13:36puts it has its own designated export
  326. 13:38folder so you know where all this stuff
  327. 13:40is going to live.
  328. 13:41We open this app, this custom app,
  329. 13:44direct ourselves to that file that was
  330. 13:46just made. Give it a simple mission name
  331. 13:48because we always want to identify what
  332. 13:49we're dealing with.
  333. 13:52And for simplicity, we just tell it to
  334. 13:54put it right back into that export
  335. 13:55folder.
  336. 13:57And you'll notice down at the bottom
  337. 13:58now, we have my flight parameters. Very
  338. 14:00simple. Are we going to do a 200 foot, a
  339. 14:01400 foot, and what camera am I going to
  340. 14:04use? Finishing it automatically launches
  341. 14:07the DJI Pilot app. All I have to do is
  342. 14:11navigate to that file, tap on that
  343. 14:14import, and you'll see right here as it
  344. 14:16pulls up, I have a flight plan that is
  345. 14:18already made. Uh, I'll open up the
  346. 14:21details on the side and you just to
  347. 14:22verify, but you can see that it's it's
  348. 14:24going to be the IR camera. I've already
  349. 14:26got my ground sampling set, my altitude
  350. 14:28is set, maximum speed, and it's already
  351. 14:30set to um distance interval shot. So, I
  352. 14:33know my overlap is going to be perfect.
  353. 14:37So now we use a software platform called
  354. 14:40Nova to take the data that we collect in
  355. 14:42the field and turn it into actionable
  356. 14:45intelligence.
  357. 14:48Once our postfire thermal flight is
  358. 14:51complete, we bring that imagery straight
  359. 14:53off the Mavic 3 thermal into the Nova
  360. 14:55platform. Each image contains the
  361. 14:57embedded GPS and radiometric data, so
  362. 15:00Nova already knows exactly where each
  363. 15:03pixel came from and how hot it is.
  364. 15:06The upload process is fairly quick. We
  365. 15:08simply drag the mission folder right
  366. 15:09into the NOVA workspace and the system
  367. 15:11just starts processing automatically.
  368. 15:15Now, NOVA uses some advanced thermal
  369. 15:17analysis algorithms to evaluate the
  370. 15:20infrared luminosity.
  371. 15:22They identify subtle variations in heat
  372. 15:25that may or may not be in visible to
  373. 15:28even standard IR pallets. Those
  374. 15:31temperature anomalies are classified as
  375. 15:33potential hotspots which Nova then plots
  376. 15:36onto geo referenced orthomosaic maps. So
  377. 15:39within just minutes we can actually
  378. 15:40visualize the entire burn area um in an
  379. 15:43interactive map where every hotspot is
  380. 15:46clearly marked.
  381. 15:49From there, that map can be directly
  382. 15:51exported into TAC via a KML and shared
  383. 15:55with field crews, allowing us to direct
  384. 15:58mop-up operations with pinpoint accuracy
  385. 16:00instead of guesswork.
  386. 16:04So, once Nova processes the thermal
  387. 16:06imagery, we're not just looking at, you
  388. 16:08know, pretty heat maps. We've got
  389. 16:10actionable intelligence at this point.
  390. 16:12With those hotspots directly exported
  391. 16:14into attack, those ground crews can
  392. 16:17start conducting better mopup.
  393. 16:20Since each hotspot is georreerenced,
  394. 16:22when the firefighter looks at that
  395. 16:24device in the field, they see exactly
  396. 16:26where they need to go to do a final
  397. 16:29check.
  398. 16:31So, thermal imagery that's processed
  399. 16:33through Nova can also reveal hidden
  400. 16:35hotspots that even experienced crews or
  401. 16:38aerial observers might overlook. The
  402. 16:41software detects those subtle heat
  403. 16:42signatures that blend into the
  404. 16:45environment or remain buried beneath ash
  405. 16:47or soil or debris. And these smolding
  406. 16:50areas often escape detection during
  407. 16:53initial or ground initial ground sweeps.
  408. 16:56Once they're mapped, they stand out very
  409. 16:58clearly in that thermal mosaic. So in
  410. 17:01this section uh highlighted by the
  411. 17:03purple box, Nova actually identified
  412. 17:06multiple residual heat sources uh that
  413. 17:08were not detected by the fires aircraft
  414. 17:11or the initial ground crews uh during
  415. 17:13suppression. The hotspots were buried
  416. 17:15beneath surface ash invisible to the
  417. 17:18naked eye and below the detection
  418. 17:20threshold of the standard infrared
  419. 17:21scans. And the ground crews actually
  420. 17:24confirmed that this was a true hot spot
  421. 17:26when they did their targeted mop-up
  422. 17:27operation the next morning.
  423. 17:30So instead of combing through hundreds
  424. 17:33of yards of black, crews can now go
  425. 17:35straight to the problem areas, saving
  426. 17:38time, conserving water, and reducing
  427. 17:40their exposure to those health hazards.
  428. 17:43Corona Fire Department mop-up crews have
  429. 17:45actually reported exceptional accuracy
  430. 17:47from this process, confirming that
  431. 17:49nearly every hot spot that was mapped
  432. 17:52corresponded to a legitimate heat source
  433. 17:54on the ground.
  434. 17:56So this has pretty much changed the way
  435. 17:58that we do targeted mopup from a wide
  436. 18:01area timeintensive
  437. 18:03heavy labor operation to a targeted
  438. 18:06datadriven strategy that makes the job
  439. 18:08faster, safer, and more efficient.
  440. 18:13Now, 72 hours after the Green Fire was
  441. 18:16knocked down, the UAS flights were
  442. 18:18conducted and only 10 hotspots were
  443. 18:20picked up by NOVA. Each of these 10
  444. 18:22spots were inspected by our ground crews
  445. 18:24and determined to be rocky areas that
  446. 18:27had been holding on to some heat, mostly
  447. 18:29from solar heating, because you remember
  448. 18:30this was like the middle of summer in
  449. 18:32Southern California. So, this process
  450. 18:35didn't just save time, it gave us
  451. 18:37verifiable proof that the fire line was
  452. 18:40cold, something that traditional methods
  453. 18:42rarely offer with this level of
  454. 18:44certainty.
  455. 18:46Secondary result, less man-hour
  456. 18:48resulting in decreased personnel and
  457. 18:50equipment costs were spent on mop-up
  458. 18:52with pretty much a greater confidence
  459. 18:53level that the job was done.
  460. 18:57So beyond thermal hotspot detection,
  461. 18:59Nova gives us actually a suite of tools
  462. 19:01that extend situational awareness to any
  463. 19:04agency, even those not using TAC. The
  464. 19:07platform can generate some
  465. 19:08highresolution orthomosaic maps, blend
  466. 19:11visual thermal imagery into a single
  467. 19:13geospatially accurate product. Maps can
  468. 19:16even be annotated and exported as PDFs,
  469. 19:19allowing incident commanders to label
  470. 19:21their hotspots, division breaks, or any
  471. 19:23other critical locations before they
  472. 19:25publish.
  473. 19:26And for seamless collaboration, Nova
  474. 19:28offers QR code sharing, enable crews,
  475. 19:31partner agencies, EOCC's to instantly
  476. 19:34access the latest maps with no special
  477. 19:38software required. This flexibility
  478. 19:40makes sure that any cooperating agency
  479. 19:43can obtain this intelligence with or
  480. 19:45without TAC.
  481. 19:48So, as we close, I want to bring back
  482. 19:50why this matters. When we talk about
  483. 19:53mist heat, we're not just talking about
  484. 19:55a few smoldering embers. We're talking
  485. 19:58about the potential for disaster.
  486. 20:01This unchecked residual heat can
  487. 20:03reignite days, even weeks later. And
  488. 20:06when it does, it's not always a small
  489. 20:08rekindle. It is potentially another
  490. 20:11fullscale incident. Results can be
  491. 20:14devastating. Millions in losses,
  492. 20:17destroyed homes, damaged ecosystems, and
  493. 20:19lives put at risk, including the
  494. 20:22firefighters who are now back to a scene
  495. 20:24that they thought was initially safe.
  496. 20:26So, the Palisades fire was 100%
  497. 20:30preventable. Lives were lost, homes were
  498. 20:33destroyed, and priceless memories were
  499. 20:35erased by the destructive flames. This
  500. 20:38is the cost of not doing it right.
  501. 20:42Every hot spot left behind is a
  502. 20:43potential ignition source. And all it
  503. 20:45takes is the right wind, the right fuel,
  504. 20:48and just a few minutes to undo days,
  505. 20:50weeks of hard work that were put into
  506. 20:53the initial containment effort.
  507. 20:56So the tools that we've talked about
  508. 20:58today, TAC, NOVA, and our UAS, they give
  509. 21:01us the ability to remove any of that
  510. 21:02uncertainty of is it out? It's not just
  511. 21:06efficiency. It's accountability,
  512. 21:09confidence, prevention. You know, the
  513. 21:12cost of software is measurable. The cost
  514. 21:14of rekindled wildfire. That's something
  515. 21:17we don't ever want to have to pay again.
  516. 21:20So, with that, I'm going to give you
  517. 21:22guys my contact information. You got my
  518. 21:24email, my phone number, um, as well as
  519. 21:27my GitHub repo to that app that was made
  520. 21:30for the UAS mapping. Right now, I have
  521. 21:33it set to only work for three aircraft
  522. 21:35because I made it very aircraft specific
  523. 21:38because that's one less button that
  524. 21:39someone has to push. So, if you've got a
  525. 21:41Mavic 3 thermal, you've got an M300 350,
  526. 21:43or you've got an uh Mavic 4 thermal,
  527. 21:46it's already built for you, ready to go.
  528. 21:47And the source code's there. If you want
  529. 21:48to make it do something different, help
  530. 21:50yourself.
  531. 21:52So, we finish with I believe in the
  532. 21:54absolute value that TAC brings to any
  533. 21:57public safety entity. And to quote the
  534. 21:59tax syndicate godfather himself, TAC is
  535. 22:02the way. So at we got about five
  536. 22:05minutes. If anyone have any followup,
  537. 22:07any questions on how we've done things
  538. 22:08or
  539. 22:09>> First of all, that's astounding
  540. 22:10innovation
  541. 22:12and and it comes out of a firehouse. Did
  542. 22:14you guys was this grassroots kitchen
  543. 22:17table? Hey, we ought to be doing this
  544. 22:19sort of thing or did you get leadership
  545. 22:21above you going, we have a problem. We
  546. 22:24don't want to be in the press. that that
  547. 22:26it is 100% driven from uh in our
  548. 22:29organization we tend to push from the
  549. 22:30ground up but fortunately our top
  550. 22:32leaders uh share the vision that we have
  551. 22:35and when we come to them with something
  552. 22:37it's usually like all right let how can
  553. 22:39we support you how can we help you
  554. 22:41because we've already proven time and
  555. 22:43time again that these ideas we bring
  556. 22:44them are are something that save lives
  557. 22:47they save property they make a
  558. 22:49difference
  559. 22:50>> is is this a reflection of your
  560. 22:52leadership's commitment to this that
  561. 22:53they allow they fund and allow allow
  562. 22:55members of the agency to come and share
  563. 22:58the expertise with the broader
  564. 23:00community. So I think we all owe a debt
  565. 23:02of gratitude to to to the team. Um so I
  566. 23:06I have some questions but first let me
  567. 23:08give you guys the opportunity. Who would
  568. 23:10like to pose a question on this uh kind
  569. 23:13of remarkable technology?
  570. 23:19>> Uh Jason Eststerline with Help Now
  571. 23:21Project out of Florida. Um, Mike, what a
  572. 23:23great presentation. Um, you guys are
  573. 23:27definitely on the cutting edge. Um,
  574. 23:30seeing what happened with the Palisades
  575. 23:32fire previous to your guys' fire that
  576. 23:34you showed, I mean, do you see what you
  577. 23:36guys are doing? Is that going to be
  578. 23:38adopted, do you think, in larger
  579. 23:39departments like LA Fire Department,
  580. 23:41things like that?
  581. 23:42>> Absolutely. Um I I think because of that
  582. 23:45and the technology is now widely known,
  583. 23:48you're going to start seeing SOPs come
  584. 23:50out to where this will be a required
  585. 23:54item after certain fires.
  586. 24:00That was my question. Oh, gone it.
  587. 24:05I think it's remarkable.
  588. 24:08And let me ask is your agency unique in
  589. 24:10actually putting the technology on each
  590. 24:12piece of apparatus and then training and
  591. 24:15and expecting the crews to be able to
  592. 24:18operate the technology.
  593. 24:20>> Uh so far from what I've heard we are
  594. 24:23very unique in that when I talk to other
  595. 24:24agencies on how we've deployed but
  596. 24:26there's a UAS on every fire engine. Uh
  597. 24:29we've gone through a training program. I
  598. 24:31filed a a KOA for our entire operating
  599. 24:34area. And we have trained and certified
  600. 24:37every single firefighter that we have to
  601. 24:40be a COA pilot and fly under some uh
  602. 24:42tighter restrictions, but at any time
  603. 24:45anyone can pick up a drone and fly. It's
  604. 24:47not something that is typically seen by
  605. 24:49any other department and I hope that
  606. 24:51changes.
  607. 24:52>> Well, my my agency puts it on the CAD.
  608. 24:55So you always see in the call, oh US is
  609. 24:58part of the assignment because it's a,
  610. 24:59you know, this level of response.
  611. 25:03>> I've never seen anything show up with
  612. 25:05that kind of thing. So what do we do? We
  613. 25:07call the law enforcement. They know how
  614. 25:08to fly drones.
  615. 25:09>> We try to treat it no different than,
  616. 25:11you know, a chainsaw. It's a tool. It's
  617. 25:13a tool for you to use. And with the
  618. 25:15right training, it can be done
  619. 25:17effectively, efficiently, and safely.
  620. 25:20The Nova is Nova offtheshelf software or
  621. 25:23is this something that was uh bespoke
  622. 25:25created for the agency?
  623. 25:27>> No, this is offtheshelf. They are a
  624. 25:28commercial uh program. They're actually
  625. 25:31rapidly growing. We're seeing lots of
  626. 25:32fire agencies already uh adopting their
  627. 25:36software especially in Southern
  628. 25:37California post Palisades fire. It is it
  629. 25:40is really gaining some traction. But
  630. 25:43yeah, they they've been out for for
  631. 25:44quite a while now.
  632. 25:47>> All righty. When
  633. 25:52Hey, Mike. Uh, Ralph Kohler from I guess
  634. 25:54AFL. Um, Mike, uh, I'd like to challenge
  635. 25:58you. You said, "Hey, it saves a lot of
  636. 26:01time and a lot of money." Um, of course,
  637. 26:04we wish things worked on accountability
  638. 26:06and lives, but the budget people want to
  639. 26:08know about the money.
  640. 26:10>> Uh, maybe you don't know, but I'd love
  641. 26:12to see a report from you guys that says
  642. 26:14how much time and how much money and how
  643. 26:16much more responsive you are. Uh, I
  644. 26:18think that would be great for the whole
  645. 26:20environment in in helping us adopt
  646. 26:22things. And then I have a follow-up
  647. 26:24question. Um, do you would you be better
  648. 26:28off if you could do this even faster
  649. 26:30than the loop you just described or is
  650. 26:32it
  651. 26:33>> or is it because you're flying it at
  652. 26:35night and you're not doing hot spot
  653. 26:36putting out at night so it doesn't
  654. 26:37matter?
  655. 26:38>> So t typically um this is a it's not a
  656. 26:42rapid process. It is at this point the
  657. 26:45fire has for lack of a better term it
  658. 26:48it's been put out now we need to make
  659. 26:50sure it stays out so it is a very slow
  660. 26:53methodical portion you know a task at
  661. 26:55this time there's no need for urgency
  662. 26:58but there's definitely ways to optimize
  663. 27:01anytime I can get an operator to have to
  664. 27:02do less button pushes less things to do
  665. 27:04like you know
  666. 27:07challenge to the uh UAS tool guys I
  667. 27:10would love to do my flight mapping
  668. 27:13all in UAS tool for the DJI. I would
  669. 27:16love just to be able to do that polygon
  670. 27:18and say go map it and be done, but we're
  671. 27:21not there.
  672. 27:26>> And then you'd like to have the results
  673. 27:27before you land and have them right into
  674. 27:30TAC right away.
  675. 27:31>> Yep.
  676. 27:34>> This is why we like Ralph.
  677. 27:36>> Yeah. I will say real quick, so you
  678. 27:39mentioned the cost thing and the one
  679. 27:40thing that's very hard with any of this
  680. 27:42stuff is you can't really measure the
  681. 27:44cost of the damage that never happened
  682. 27:46because of the software. You'll never
  683. 27:48know what fire didn't burn, what houses
  684. 27:51didn't go, what lives weren't lost. So
  685. 27:53that's that's the hard part to really
  686. 27:56articulate to those that are looking at
  687. 27:58the bottom line.
  688. 28:00>> All righty. Well, please join me in
  689. 28:02thanking Mike for giving us a peek at
  690. 28:05the future as it should be.

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