What the Palisades Fire Taught Corona FD About Mop-Up | Michael Leckliter — Transcript
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- 0:04There we go.
- 0:06>> So, I'm going to talk to you guys a
- 0:07little bit about today how we are using
- 0:08or have the ability to use drones, uh,
- 0:11ATAC, and a couple different software
- 0:12solutions to really make sure that a
- 0:16fire that we go on is out and doesn't
- 0:18become a problem later on. So, first
- 0:20off, a little bit about me. U, I've been
- 0:22with the Corona Fire Department for 19
- 0:24years now. Um, I am our UAS manager. I
- 0:29manage a fleet. We actually are pretty
- 0:30lucky. We have a UAS on every fire
- 0:34engine in the city of Corona. We use the
- 0:37DJI Mavic 3 thermals. Like everyone's
- 0:40trained to use them. On top of that, I
- 0:42also manage all of our TAC devices. We
- 0:45have roughly 75 devices uh between
- 0:48phones and tablets. Again, every fire
- 0:50engine that we have typically has at
- 0:52least three TAC devices on it. So, we
- 0:54are wellversed in TAC. Uh, and it all
- 0:57started back from my introduction to it
- 0:59back in uh, 2019 when AJ brought it back
- 1:02from some of the wildfires and said,
- 1:04"Here's this really cool thing. Uh,
- 1:06let's figure it out. How how can we use
- 1:08it?"
- 1:11All right. So, in California, we have
- 1:14over 8,000 wildfires that burn across
- 1:18the state each year. Um, so out there in
- 1:21California, we pretty much say that
- 1:22that's California's state bird. It's the
- 1:24air tanker. So fire season is a term
- 1:28that we use a lot. And fire season in
- 1:30California, it doesn't really end
- 1:32anymore. For those that are out in
- 1:35California, we know that it usually
- 1:37comes twice a year. You've got your
- 1:39really hot dry heat in the summertime,
- 1:42but this time the the the fall kind of
- 1:45early winter, we have a unique event
- 1:47where we get the Santa Ana winds or
- 1:49those those really dry long sustained
- 1:51winds. Um, so what does that mean for us
- 1:54when these fires come across? It's long
- 1:57days that blur into nights. We got
- 1:59engines staged at the edge of canyons,
- 2:02the smell of smoke that doesn't quite
- 2:04ever wash out. It's fastmoving fire,
- 2:07unpredictable winds, and a constant race
- 2:10to try and stay one step ahead of a
- 2:13fastmoving fire, which is really just a
- 2:16force that doesn't rest. We train. We
- 2:19prepare for it. And when the hills light
- 2:21up, it's all hands on de deck.
- 2:24Every spark is a threat. Every ember can
- 2:27mean another home, another life, another
- 2:29fight.
- 2:32But when the flames die down and the
- 2:35cameras leave, that's when the real work
- 2:37begins. So we call it mopup. It's a
- 2:40long, dirty, painstaking process of
- 2:43making sure that the fire is truly out.
- 2:46It's crawling through blackened ground
- 2:48with hand tools, turning over smoldering
- 2:51logs and soaking hot spots till the hiss
- 2:53is gone. It's hot, it's slow, and it's
- 2:57often thankless. But it's what keeps the
- 3:00small victory from turning into a
- 3:03tomorrow's large disaster.
- 3:08But we have to do it right. So, let's
- 3:11talk about what caused the Palisades
- 3:13fire. It wasn't a down power line or a
- 3:16new ignition. It was a holdover fire.
- 3:19It's a powerful reminder that when mopup
- 3:21isn't done completely, the fire is not
- 3:24over. It's just waiting for the next
- 3:26chance to ignite and consume. Fire is
- 3:29ruthless. Fire is relentless. It is
- 3:31destructive and it is deadly.
- 3:35So, we're going to start with the
- 3:36Lochman fire. Uh we begin here because
- 3:38this is actually the root of our uh
- 3:40tragic but preventable tale.
- 3:44The area of the fire was known to be a
- 3:47very high risk due to years of
- 3:49vegetation growth and a prolonged
- 3:51drought resulting in an abundance of
- 3:54fuel. It was just ready to burn. So on
- 3:57New Year's Day, a seemingly small brush
- 4:00fire broke out very early in the
- 4:02morning, started by an arsonist uh near
- 4:05a popular hiking trail. The crews
- 4:08suppressed it pretty quickly and the
- 4:10forward progress was stopped in just a
- 4:12few hours. But what can't always be
- 4:15seen, heat underneath the surface,
- 4:17apparently lingered.
- 4:19What looks out may not actually be out.
- 4:22And the latent heat becomes our risk
- 4:25vector.
- 4:28So here's where the trigger builds. A
- 4:30major wind event was forecast just days
- 4:33after the Lochman fire was put out. We
- 4:36call them Santa Ana winds. Their red
- 4:38flag warning was issued January 6th for
- 4:42a significant wind event that was
- 4:44supposed to begin on January 7th,
- 4:47lasting for several days. In fact, the
- 4:49National Weather Service stated that
- 4:51this is a life-threatening windstorm.
- 4:54Gusts were expected to reach 60 to 80
- 4:57miles an hour with some areas,
- 4:59especially in the mountains, to hit 90
- 5:01miles hour.
- 5:04Meanwhile, there's subtle signs of smoke
- 5:07or smoldering in the prior burn area
- 5:09were observed. Several hikers and
- 5:12residents noted wisps of smoke and a
- 5:14smoky odor in that fire
- 5:17um days prior to the Palisades fire
- 5:19breaking out. So now you have residual
- 5:22heat, increasing winds, and dry fuels.
- 5:26You that's pretty much the recipe for
- 5:28disaster.
- 5:31So, the Palisades fire was devastating.
- 5:33It ignited in the same area as that
- 5:35early Lochman fire and ultimately spread
- 5:38through steep canyons into densely
- 5:40populated neighborhoods. In a matter of
- 5:43hours, thousands were evacuated,
- 5:46thousands of homes were destroyed, and
- 5:4812 lives were lost. It became Los
- 5:50Angeles's most uh destructive fire in
- 5:53recent memory. But beyond the physical
- 5:56damage, the fire really revealed a hard
- 5:58truth. Even a small pocket of heat left
- 6:02unchecked can lead to catastrophic
- 6:04consequences.
- 6:06It reminded us all in the fire service
- 6:08that mop-up isn't just your final step.
- 6:10It's that line of defense between
- 6:12containment and catastrophe.
- 6:17So the question becomes, after seeing
- 6:19what happened in the Palisades fire, how
- 6:21is the Corona Fire Department making
- 6:23sure that doesn't happen in Corona?
- 6:26How are we using technology to confirm
- 6:28that every fire is truly out and no
- 6:30hidden heat is left behind to reignite
- 6:32later? Our approach combines UAS,
- 6:36thermal imaging, and TAC to verify
- 6:38extinguishment with data, not just
- 6:41assumptions.
- 6:44So, before we dive into TAC and how we
- 6:46use our UAS, I want to give you a little
- 6:48bit of background about Corona. So,
- 6:50we're about 35 miles uh southeast of
- 6:53downtown LA. You can kind of see on the
- 6:55map there, we're at a crossroads where
- 6:57Riverside, Sanardino, Orange County, and
- 7:00Los Angeles County all meet. We call
- 7:02that area the solar area because it's
- 7:05Sanino, Orange, Los Angeles, Riverside.
- 7:09Um, it's a complex wildland urban
- 7:12interface area that has to demand
- 7:15coordination between all these bordering
- 7:17mutual aid agencies.
- 7:20The city covers roughly 40 square miles.
- 7:22We have 160,000 residents. Um, we're
- 7:26also a career fire department. We have
- 7:27seven fire stations. We have 35
- 7:29personnel on duty every day.
- 7:32We're all risk. We handle everything
- 7:34from wildfire, structure fire, hazmat
- 7:37response, and primarily we run medical
- 7:39aids.
- 7:43So, we start out on Friday, July 25th of
- 7:46this year. A fastmoving brush fire
- 7:49ignited near Palisades Drive and Green
- 7:50River Drive. right along that solar
- 7:53response zone in Corona late in the
- 7:55afternoon. This area is known for having
- 7:59a strong afternoon wind as well as being
- 8:01in a canyon-like area. The fire prompted
- 8:04evacuation orders as crews hit it hard
- 8:06with ground and air resources from
- 8:08multiple agencies in that solar response
- 8:10plan. Fire was mapped at roughly 30
- 8:13acres with Corona fire assuming command.
- 8:17Evacuations were lifted the next day
- 8:19while containment steadily increased.
- 8:22The cause remained under investigation,
- 8:24but it was suspected to be the result of
- 8:25a homeless encampment fire.
- 8:28But this incident underscores how
- 8:30quickly a small start in your
- 8:31neighborhoods can escalate and later why
- 8:34rapid detection and targeted mop-up
- 8:37intelligence really matters.
- 8:40So let's talk again about that fires
- 8:42program. Uh fire stands for fire
- 8:44integrated real-time intelligence
- 8:46system. It's a California initiative
- 8:48that provides real-time aerial
- 8:50surveillance uh to support wildfire
- 8:52decision-making. Using these ISR
- 8:55aircraft equipped with advanced uh
- 8:57infrared and electrooptical sensors,
- 8:59FYIs gives us live video feeds and
- 9:01produces highly accurate perimeter maps
- 9:04within minutes of them arriving on
- 9:05scene. And fortunately for the Corona
- 9:07Fire Department, a firsus aircraft just
- 9:10took off from our local airport as this
- 9:13fire was starting. They were in route to
- 9:15another fire out in the desert. But uh
- 9:17they were able to quickly divert,
- 9:19conduct our ISR surveillance mission and
- 9:22uh give us our product outputs before
- 9:24they went to their initial mission.
- 9:28So
- 9:31live full motion video provided initial
- 9:34intel to the ground crews during the
- 9:36firefight. It helped direct resources
- 9:38where the most active portions of the
- 9:40fire were, helped prevent extension of
- 9:42the homes above the hillside, but that
- 9:45valuable information contained well
- 9:47beyond the active firefight.
- 9:53The fire flights produced perimeter
- 9:55polygons which were published over KML
- 9:58network link all able to be ingested and
- 10:00attacked just minutes after performing
- 10:02the flight. Crews were able to knock
- 10:04down the fire with no damage reported to
- 10:06any structure and no injuries reported
- 10:08by any firefighter or civilian.
- 10:12Now with the fire out we had to go into
- 10:16mopup without any additional
- 10:18intelligence. Mop-up is slow, manual,
- 10:20sensory. The crews are going to be
- 10:22moving line by line through the black,
- 10:24relying on sight, touch,
- 10:28uh, instinct to find hidden heat. As I
- 10:30mentioned before, they're going to be
- 10:32digging through the ashes with their
- 10:33tools. They're going to be turning over
- 10:35smoldering logs, putting out any hot
- 10:37spots,
- 10:38um, and just they're going to be there
- 10:40for quite a while. So progress usually
- 10:43depends on experience, but even our
- 10:45seasoned firefighters can miss some
- 10:47pretty deep-seated embers.
- 10:50Any incident that's larger than a few
- 10:52acres, um making sure that we verify
- 10:54every hot spot is cold, it can take
- 10:57hours or even days of very labor
- 11:00intensive work. The result, greater
- 11:03exposure to the firefighters, longer
- 11:05commitment of resources, and the ling
- 11:07lingering risk that that single unseen
- 11:11ember or hotspot could reignite, you
- 11:14know, the entire high hillside.
- 11:17Now, large scale wild wildfires often
- 11:19utilize manned aircraft equipped with
- 11:22infrared sensors, and they produce great
- 11:24output hotspot maps like the one you see
- 11:27here. But when it comes to small
- 11:29incidents or even medium-sized
- 11:31incidents, we simply don't have the
- 11:33resources to call upon these costly and
- 11:36uh very resource consuming items. So
- 11:39instead, we have to rely on different
- 11:42features.
- 11:44So instead of waiting for these costly
- 11:46aerial assets, we've brought that same
- 11:48infrared technology down to the local
- 11:51level using our own thermal equipped UAS
- 11:54to perform detailed hotspot mapping
- 11:57immediately after containment. So after
- 12:00the fires contained, our fire department
- 12:02uses our Mavic 3 thermals. We conduct
- 12:04system systemic infrared flights over
- 12:07the burn area. The missions are flown at
- 12:10a medium altitude, typically after dark,
- 12:13and we capture some pretty high
- 12:14resolution thermal imagery that reveals
- 12:16any residual heat signatures that are
- 12:18invisible to the naked eye.
- 12:22Now, to make thermal mapping faster and
- 12:25more intuitive, the Corona Fire
- 12:27Department developed a custom flight
- 12:29planning app that integrates directly
- 12:31with TAC. Instead of manually
- 12:33programming a flight parameters into the
- 12:35drone's native mission mission app, the
- 12:38user simply draws an area of interest on
- 12:40TAC and exports it. The app
- 12:43automatically generates a readyto-fly
- 12:46UAS mission using parameters that are
- 12:48already optimized for wildfire mapping
- 12:51operations. The result, significantly
- 12:53increased efficiency, reduced mission
- 12:55setup time from several minutes to just
- 12:57several seconds, all while ensuring we
- 13:00have a consistent altitude overlap
- 13:02camera configurations.
- 13:05By automating these technical steps, the
- 13:07pilot can focus on getting the critical
- 13:08data and not trying to program flight
- 13:10lines.
- 13:12So, here's a real-time workflow of how
- 13:14UAS operations take basic intel, which
- 13:17is the fire parameters there in green,
- 13:18to create a mission for a flight plan.
- 13:21So they're going to draw a polygon
- 13:22around that area of interest where we
- 13:25want to have a a flight mapped.
- 13:28They're going to simply use ATAC to
- 13:30export that shape as a KML.
- 13:34And the great thing about TAC is it just
- 13:36puts it has its own designated export
- 13:38folder so you know where all this stuff
- 13:40is going to live.
- 13:41We open this app, this custom app,
- 13:44direct ourselves to that file that was
- 13:46just made. Give it a simple mission name
- 13:48because we always want to identify what
- 13:49we're dealing with.
- 13:52And for simplicity, we just tell it to
- 13:54put it right back into that export
- 13:55folder.
- 13:57And you'll notice down at the bottom
- 13:58now, we have my flight parameters. Very
- 14:00simple. Are we going to do a 200 foot, a
- 14:01400 foot, and what camera am I going to
- 14:04use? Finishing it automatically launches
- 14:07the DJI Pilot app. All I have to do is
- 14:11navigate to that file, tap on that
- 14:14import, and you'll see right here as it
- 14:16pulls up, I have a flight plan that is
- 14:18already made. Uh, I'll open up the
- 14:21details on the side and you just to
- 14:22verify, but you can see that it's it's
- 14:24going to be the IR camera. I've already
- 14:26got my ground sampling set, my altitude
- 14:28is set, maximum speed, and it's already
- 14:30set to um distance interval shot. So, I
- 14:33know my overlap is going to be perfect.
- 14:37So now we use a software platform called
- 14:40Nova to take the data that we collect in
- 14:42the field and turn it into actionable
- 14:45intelligence.
- 14:48Once our postfire thermal flight is
- 14:51complete, we bring that imagery straight
- 14:53off the Mavic 3 thermal into the Nova
- 14:55platform. Each image contains the
- 14:57embedded GPS and radiometric data, so
- 15:00Nova already knows exactly where each
- 15:03pixel came from and how hot it is.
- 15:06The upload process is fairly quick. We
- 15:08simply drag the mission folder right
- 15:09into the NOVA workspace and the system
- 15:11just starts processing automatically.
- 15:15Now, NOVA uses some advanced thermal
- 15:17analysis algorithms to evaluate the
- 15:20infrared luminosity.
- 15:22They identify subtle variations in heat
- 15:25that may or may not be in visible to
- 15:28even standard IR pallets. Those
- 15:31temperature anomalies are classified as
- 15:33potential hotspots which Nova then plots
- 15:36onto geo referenced orthomosaic maps. So
- 15:39within just minutes we can actually
- 15:40visualize the entire burn area um in an
- 15:43interactive map where every hotspot is
- 15:46clearly marked.
- 15:49From there, that map can be directly
- 15:51exported into TAC via a KML and shared
- 15:55with field crews, allowing us to direct
- 15:58mop-up operations with pinpoint accuracy
- 16:00instead of guesswork.
- 16:04So, once Nova processes the thermal
- 16:06imagery, we're not just looking at, you
- 16:08know, pretty heat maps. We've got
- 16:10actionable intelligence at this point.
- 16:12With those hotspots directly exported
- 16:14into attack, those ground crews can
- 16:17start conducting better mopup.
- 16:20Since each hotspot is georreerenced,
- 16:22when the firefighter looks at that
- 16:24device in the field, they see exactly
- 16:26where they need to go to do a final
- 16:29check.
- 16:31So, thermal imagery that's processed
- 16:33through Nova can also reveal hidden
- 16:35hotspots that even experienced crews or
- 16:38aerial observers might overlook. The
- 16:41software detects those subtle heat
- 16:42signatures that blend into the
- 16:45environment or remain buried beneath ash
- 16:47or soil or debris. And these smolding
- 16:50areas often escape detection during
- 16:53initial or ground initial ground sweeps.
- 16:56Once they're mapped, they stand out very
- 16:58clearly in that thermal mosaic. So in
- 17:01this section uh highlighted by the
- 17:03purple box, Nova actually identified
- 17:06multiple residual heat sources uh that
- 17:08were not detected by the fires aircraft
- 17:11or the initial ground crews uh during
- 17:13suppression. The hotspots were buried
- 17:15beneath surface ash invisible to the
- 17:18naked eye and below the detection
- 17:20threshold of the standard infrared
- 17:21scans. And the ground crews actually
- 17:24confirmed that this was a true hot spot
- 17:26when they did their targeted mop-up
- 17:27operation the next morning.
- 17:30So instead of combing through hundreds
- 17:33of yards of black, crews can now go
- 17:35straight to the problem areas, saving
- 17:38time, conserving water, and reducing
- 17:40their exposure to those health hazards.
- 17:43Corona Fire Department mop-up crews have
- 17:45actually reported exceptional accuracy
- 17:47from this process, confirming that
- 17:49nearly every hot spot that was mapped
- 17:52corresponded to a legitimate heat source
- 17:54on the ground.
- 17:56So this has pretty much changed the way
- 17:58that we do targeted mopup from a wide
- 18:01area timeintensive
- 18:03heavy labor operation to a targeted
- 18:06datadriven strategy that makes the job
- 18:08faster, safer, and more efficient.
- 18:13Now, 72 hours after the Green Fire was
- 18:16knocked down, the UAS flights were
- 18:18conducted and only 10 hotspots were
- 18:20picked up by NOVA. Each of these 10
- 18:22spots were inspected by our ground crews
- 18:24and determined to be rocky areas that
- 18:27had been holding on to some heat, mostly
- 18:29from solar heating, because you remember
- 18:30this was like the middle of summer in
- 18:32Southern California. So, this process
- 18:35didn't just save time, it gave us
- 18:37verifiable proof that the fire line was
- 18:40cold, something that traditional methods
- 18:42rarely offer with this level of
- 18:44certainty.
- 18:46Secondary result, less man-hour
- 18:48resulting in decreased personnel and
- 18:50equipment costs were spent on mop-up
- 18:52with pretty much a greater confidence
- 18:53level that the job was done.
- 18:57So beyond thermal hotspot detection,
- 18:59Nova gives us actually a suite of tools
- 19:01that extend situational awareness to any
- 19:04agency, even those not using TAC. The
- 19:07platform can generate some
- 19:08highresolution orthomosaic maps, blend
- 19:11visual thermal imagery into a single
- 19:13geospatially accurate product. Maps can
- 19:16even be annotated and exported as PDFs,
- 19:19allowing incident commanders to label
- 19:21their hotspots, division breaks, or any
- 19:23other critical locations before they
- 19:25publish.
- 19:26And for seamless collaboration, Nova
- 19:28offers QR code sharing, enable crews,
- 19:31partner agencies, EOCC's to instantly
- 19:34access the latest maps with no special
- 19:38software required. This flexibility
- 19:40makes sure that any cooperating agency
- 19:43can obtain this intelligence with or
- 19:45without TAC.
- 19:48So, as we close, I want to bring back
- 19:50why this matters. When we talk about
- 19:53mist heat, we're not just talking about
- 19:55a few smoldering embers. We're talking
- 19:58about the potential for disaster.
- 20:01This unchecked residual heat can
- 20:03reignite days, even weeks later. And
- 20:06when it does, it's not always a small
- 20:08rekindle. It is potentially another
- 20:11fullscale incident. Results can be
- 20:14devastating. Millions in losses,
- 20:17destroyed homes, damaged ecosystems, and
- 20:19lives put at risk, including the
- 20:22firefighters who are now back to a scene
- 20:24that they thought was initially safe.
- 20:26So, the Palisades fire was 100%
- 20:30preventable. Lives were lost, homes were
- 20:33destroyed, and priceless memories were
- 20:35erased by the destructive flames. This
- 20:38is the cost of not doing it right.
- 20:42Every hot spot left behind is a
- 20:43potential ignition source. And all it
- 20:45takes is the right wind, the right fuel,
- 20:48and just a few minutes to undo days,
- 20:50weeks of hard work that were put into
- 20:53the initial containment effort.
- 20:56So the tools that we've talked about
- 20:58today, TAC, NOVA, and our UAS, they give
- 21:01us the ability to remove any of that
- 21:02uncertainty of is it out? It's not just
- 21:06efficiency. It's accountability,
- 21:09confidence, prevention. You know, the
- 21:12cost of software is measurable. The cost
- 21:14of rekindled wildfire. That's something
- 21:17we don't ever want to have to pay again.
- 21:20So, with that, I'm going to give you
- 21:22guys my contact information. You got my
- 21:24email, my phone number, um, as well as
- 21:27my GitHub repo to that app that was made
- 21:30for the UAS mapping. Right now, I have
- 21:33it set to only work for three aircraft
- 21:35because I made it very aircraft specific
- 21:38because that's one less button that
- 21:39someone has to push. So, if you've got a
- 21:41Mavic 3 thermal, you've got an M300 350,
- 21:43or you've got an uh Mavic 4 thermal,
- 21:46it's already built for you, ready to go.
- 21:47And the source code's there. If you want
- 21:48to make it do something different, help
- 21:50yourself.
- 21:52So, we finish with I believe in the
- 21:54absolute value that TAC brings to any
- 21:57public safety entity. And to quote the
- 21:59tax syndicate godfather himself, TAC is
- 22:02the way. So at we got about five
- 22:05minutes. If anyone have any followup,
- 22:07any questions on how we've done things
- 22:08or
- 22:09>> First of all, that's astounding
- 22:10innovation
- 22:12and and it comes out of a firehouse. Did
- 22:14you guys was this grassroots kitchen
- 22:17table? Hey, we ought to be doing this
- 22:19sort of thing or did you get leadership
- 22:21above you going, we have a problem. We
- 22:24don't want to be in the press. that that
- 22:26it is 100% driven from uh in our
- 22:29organization we tend to push from the
- 22:30ground up but fortunately our top
- 22:32leaders uh share the vision that we have
- 22:35and when we come to them with something
- 22:37it's usually like all right let how can
- 22:39we support you how can we help you
- 22:41because we've already proven time and
- 22:43time again that these ideas we bring
- 22:44them are are something that save lives
- 22:47they save property they make a
- 22:49difference
- 22:50>> is is this a reflection of your
- 22:52leadership's commitment to this that
- 22:53they allow they fund and allow allow
- 22:55members of the agency to come and share
- 22:58the expertise with the broader
- 23:00community. So I think we all owe a debt
- 23:02of gratitude to to to the team. Um so I
- 23:06I have some questions but first let me
- 23:08give you guys the opportunity. Who would
- 23:10like to pose a question on this uh kind
- 23:13of remarkable technology?
- 23:19>> Uh Jason Eststerline with Help Now
- 23:21Project out of Florida. Um, Mike, what a
- 23:23great presentation. Um, you guys are
- 23:27definitely on the cutting edge. Um,
- 23:30seeing what happened with the Palisades
- 23:32fire previous to your guys' fire that
- 23:34you showed, I mean, do you see what you
- 23:36guys are doing? Is that going to be
- 23:38adopted, do you think, in larger
- 23:39departments like LA Fire Department,
- 23:41things like that?
- 23:42>> Absolutely. Um I I think because of that
- 23:45and the technology is now widely known,
- 23:48you're going to start seeing SOPs come
- 23:50out to where this will be a required
- 23:54item after certain fires.
- 24:00That was my question. Oh, gone it.
- 24:05I think it's remarkable.
- 24:08And let me ask is your agency unique in
- 24:10actually putting the technology on each
- 24:12piece of apparatus and then training and
- 24:15and expecting the crews to be able to
- 24:18operate the technology.
- 24:20>> Uh so far from what I've heard we are
- 24:23very unique in that when I talk to other
- 24:24agencies on how we've deployed but
- 24:26there's a UAS on every fire engine. Uh
- 24:29we've gone through a training program. I
- 24:31filed a a KOA for our entire operating
- 24:34area. And we have trained and certified
- 24:37every single firefighter that we have to
- 24:40be a COA pilot and fly under some uh
- 24:42tighter restrictions, but at any time
- 24:45anyone can pick up a drone and fly. It's
- 24:47not something that is typically seen by
- 24:49any other department and I hope that
- 24:51changes.
- 24:52>> Well, my my agency puts it on the CAD.
- 24:55So you always see in the call, oh US is
- 24:58part of the assignment because it's a,
- 24:59you know, this level of response.
- 25:03>> I've never seen anything show up with
- 25:05that kind of thing. So what do we do? We
- 25:07call the law enforcement. They know how
- 25:08to fly drones.
- 25:09>> We try to treat it no different than,
- 25:11you know, a chainsaw. It's a tool. It's
- 25:13a tool for you to use. And with the
- 25:15right training, it can be done
- 25:17effectively, efficiently, and safely.
- 25:20The Nova is Nova offtheshelf software or
- 25:23is this something that was uh bespoke
- 25:25created for the agency?
- 25:27>> No, this is offtheshelf. They are a
- 25:28commercial uh program. They're actually
- 25:31rapidly growing. We're seeing lots of
- 25:32fire agencies already uh adopting their
- 25:36software especially in Southern
- 25:37California post Palisades fire. It is it
- 25:40is really gaining some traction. But
- 25:43yeah, they they've been out for for
- 25:44quite a while now.
- 25:47>> All righty. When
- 25:52Hey, Mike. Uh, Ralph Kohler from I guess
- 25:54AFL. Um, Mike, uh, I'd like to challenge
- 25:58you. You said, "Hey, it saves a lot of
- 26:01time and a lot of money." Um, of course,
- 26:04we wish things worked on accountability
- 26:06and lives, but the budget people want to
- 26:08know about the money.
- 26:10>> Uh, maybe you don't know, but I'd love
- 26:12to see a report from you guys that says
- 26:14how much time and how much money and how
- 26:16much more responsive you are. Uh, I
- 26:18think that would be great for the whole
- 26:20environment in in helping us adopt
- 26:22things. And then I have a follow-up
- 26:24question. Um, do you would you be better
- 26:28off if you could do this even faster
- 26:30than the loop you just described or is
- 26:32it
- 26:33>> or is it because you're flying it at
- 26:35night and you're not doing hot spot
- 26:36putting out at night so it doesn't
- 26:37matter?
- 26:38>> So t typically um this is a it's not a
- 26:42rapid process. It is at this point the
- 26:45fire has for lack of a better term it
- 26:48it's been put out now we need to make
- 26:50sure it stays out so it is a very slow
- 26:53methodical portion you know a task at
- 26:55this time there's no need for urgency
- 26:58but there's definitely ways to optimize
- 27:01anytime I can get an operator to have to
- 27:02do less button pushes less things to do
- 27:04like you know
- 27:07challenge to the uh UAS tool guys I
- 27:10would love to do my flight mapping
- 27:13all in UAS tool for the DJI. I would
- 27:16love just to be able to do that polygon
- 27:18and say go map it and be done, but we're
- 27:21not there.
- 27:26>> And then you'd like to have the results
- 27:27before you land and have them right into
- 27:30TAC right away.
- 27:31>> Yep.
- 27:34>> This is why we like Ralph.
- 27:36>> Yeah. I will say real quick, so you
- 27:39mentioned the cost thing and the one
- 27:40thing that's very hard with any of this
- 27:42stuff is you can't really measure the
- 27:44cost of the damage that never happened
- 27:46because of the software. You'll never
- 27:48know what fire didn't burn, what houses
- 27:51didn't go, what lives weren't lost. So
- 27:53that's that's the hard part to really
- 27:56articulate to those that are looking at
- 27:58the bottom line.
- 28:00>> All righty. Well, please join me in
- 28:02thanking Mike for giving us a peek at
- 28:05the future as it should be.
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