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0:00And he says, "And the man answered us
0:01that it was in their holy book called
0:03the Quran that their prophet Muhammad
0:05said that we are evil doers because we
0:07are not Muslim, that it is their right
0:09to kill us, plunder us, enslave us
0:11wherever they find us, etc., etc." Back
0:13in I believe 2009, the FBI confiscated
0:16internal documents that spell out their
0:18grand plan, which they say is to
0:20sabotage the miserable house of America
0:23and the West. That we are here, it
0:25literally says to wage a grand
0:27civilizational jihad.
0:30>> Why do you think these lies are
0:33propagated? I don't understand why the
0:34West would lie about what has happened
0:38in in the Middle East. Why lie
0:39specifically about what has happened to
0:41Christians? Why lie about what has
0:43happened to the Coptic Christians? Why
0:45exaggerate what is happening in one part
0:48of the world where completely
0:49diminishing the truth about what has
0:52happened in Lebanon, in Syria, in Egypt,
0:55in as you described much of the Middle
0:57East that was Christian. Why lie about
1:00it?
1:01>> These lies uh, you know,
1:04my theory is you have a core or some
1:07origin point which is intentional, it's
1:08a lie. But then the vast majority of the
1:10people who promulgate it believe it.
1:12Okay? You know, the woke types.
1:15Uh, they they just they imbibe it and
1:16they believe it. And it goes back to
1:18these paradigms that have been created,
1:20you know, what whatever which is the
1:22white man's the source of all evil and
1:24everyone else has never done anything
1:25bad, you know, blacks and every Muslim
1:27Muslims so on and so forth. They're
1:29they're victims by nature. Um, [snorts]
1:31so I think you know, they I don't know
1:34the origin of this, but these
1:36now we call it wokeism, we used to call
1:38it political correctness, okay? And it's
1:40this idea which is just these matrixes I
1:43I saw a video of a professor, her name
1:46is
1:47Bridget Cooper, Rutgers professor. And
1:50she literally I mean the the verbatim
1:51words that she says, she it comes down
1:53to she's convinced that white people
1:55invented slavery, no one's enslaved
1:57anyone before white people enslaved. And
1:59then she says, we need to take these
2:00mother efforts out, okay? Because they
2:03are inherently evil. She literally says
2:05that. So,
2:06that's my point is we got these
2:08constructs
2:09um and whatever the facts may be,
2:12and we here we're talking about facts,
2:13these are not known. I think there's
2:15also this idea when you talk about um
2:17you know, Christians they're white,
2:19okay? So, if they're white, then they
2:21must be oppressors. You can't talk about
2:23Christians as victims. Because that that
2:25contradicts the narrative. The narrative
2:27is only brown people or black people are
2:30and they're Muslims, okay? So, I think
2:32that's also part of a which would apply
2:34to the Jewish and Israeli thing as well,
2:36because Western. So, um I think that's
2:39part of the the just the overwhelming
2:41construct that has created these lies
2:43and they've just metastasized and
2:44everyone just the woke people at any at
2:46any rate buy into it.
2:48>> Yeah. Well, this whole framework of the
2:49oppressor versus the oppressed, right?
2:51Is a great way to galvanize a
2:53population, right? Because all we have
2:55to sell people on is this idea that they
2:57are a victim and they are the victim
3:00because the white man, the Christian
3:02white man took from them. And as long as
3:04they hold on to this idea, you can
3:07really manipulate them and build a new
3:09political party, which is why it's hard
3:12to even discern whether Islam is just a
3:14religion or Islam is actually some sort
3:18of
3:19political entity because it has that
3:22element of expansion and jihad and
3:25control. It's not all just a matter of,
3:27okay, pray pray to God, you know,
3:30develop yourself, develop your
3:31connection with with the Lord. It's it's
3:33it's a completely different framework.
3:36Is is jihad part of the actual Islamic
3:40religion? Because those of us who went
3:41to college here in the United States
3:43have been told that jihad [snorts]
3:45really is a reaction to what the West
3:49has done to the world, right? As in so
3:51because the West has been so oppressive,
3:55such colonizers, right? The the the
3:58grief that we've created for the
4:00Iranians even with the change of their
4:02regime, you know, 50 some years ago.
4:05Jihad has been a reaction to our
4:07behavior as as the white folk, let's
4:10say. Is Jihad really this new thing? Is
4:13Jihad a reaction to our behavior? Or is
4:16it part of the Islamic doctrine?
4:19>> Yeah. So, it is definitely part of the
4:21Islamic doctrine and one can pull out
4:23all sorts of
4:25what do you It's even futile pull
4:26pulling out Quran texts because what Who
4:28am I? I'm not a Muslim. I'm not a
4:29jurist, but I can also pull out what's
4:31They're known as the ulama, which is the
4:33scholars of Islam. There's four madhhabs
4:36in Arabic. It's before schools of
4:37jurisprudence in Sunni Islam, for
4:38example. All of them agree to Jihad. All
4:41of them define it as offensive warfare.
4:43Expansionary warfare, okay? There's also
4:46defensive Jihad, but that's actually
4:47more minor. That's just expected. But
4:50the the core doctrine of Jihad is to
4:52expand.
4:53>> [snorts]
4:53>> Now, that's the doctrinal argument. I'm
4:55much more interested in the historical
4:56argument. So, I already got done telling
4:58you about that one century, 632 732 and
5:012/3 of the Christian world conquered.
5:04That's just the beginning of it. Then it
5:05continues on and on with different
5:07iterations, Islamic Jihadist groups. The
5:09Turks come after the Arabs, for example.
5:12And long story short, they they conquer
5:14Asia Minor, which is again another old
5:17Christian region. It's where
5:19St. Paul wrote a lot of letters. The
5:20Book of Revelation with it. Now, it's
5:23Turkey, right? And then they conquered
5:24the Balkans. You know, they all the way
5:26they conquered Hungary. They got to
5:28Vienna in 1683. So, Muhammad died 632,
5:32one millennium later, and Muslims are
5:34now in nearing Vienna. And then the
5:37United States of America's first war
5:39after independence is with Muslims doing
5:42the same exact thing, enslaving American
5:44sailors. And when Thomas Jefferson I
5:46mean, just think about this. He meets He
5:48meets with the ambassador
5:50the Muslim ambassador from the Muslim
5:52states Barbary, North Africa, that are
5:54enslaving Christians.
5:56And Thomas Jefferson tells him, "Why,
5:58you know, can't we just get along? You
5:59know, we we can trade with each other,
6:01we can be friends." And we
6:03Thomas Jefferson writes a letter, sends
6:05it back to Congress, and he says, "And
6:06the man answered us that it was in their
6:08holy book called the Quran that their
6:10prophet Muhammad said that we are
6:12evildoers because we are not Muslim,
6:15that it is their right to kill us,
6:16plunder us, enslave us wherever they
6:18find us, etc., etc." Okay, so
6:21Now, think of all that, right? And so,
6:23let me ask you, was there a grievance
6:24for all that? Was it Was Was that jihad?
6:28Is that because of something Europeans
6:29did? No, they were actually the weaker
6:31ones at this time. And they were being
6:33invaded, and they were being conquered
6:35not because of anything, but be And this
6:36comes out in the sources. This is very
6:38important.
6:39Because a lot of historians today will
6:40just say, "Okay, it's just, you know,
6:42peoples are warring against each other.
6:43It doesn't mean anything." But if you
6:44look at the sources, as I did in my
6:46books, you're going to see that the
6:47Muslims themselves said, "The reason
6:49we're doing this is because this is
6:50jihad. Because they are infidels, and it
6:53Allah demands that we do this." Okay?
6:55So, when I hear today that, "Oh, yeah,
6:58jihad means, you know,
7:00struggling to be a good student,"
7:02as it's defined, you know, comically,
7:05or that it's it's a it's a byproduct,
7:07it's provoked because of this or that,
7:09well, I just I have that historical
7:11memory in my head that, "Well, how do I
7:13explain that over 1,000 years that
7:16swallowed up so much of non-Muslim
7:18territories?" And I I just spoke about
7:20Europe, but it was the same thing for
7:21the East, India, something like
7:24an astronomical number, many millions of
7:27Hindus were killed over a five-century
7:29period at the hands of Muslims in the
7:31name of jihad. Okay? And it went further
7:34East. And then there's what happened in
7:35sub-Saharan Africa, and the mass
7:37enslavement of blacks, and they would
7:39castrate them because they don't want
7:41them to repopulate amongst them and and
7:43all sorts of things. So, that is the
7:45doctrine of Islam and of Jihad
7:47specifically.
7:48And the historical record bears to it.
7:51So, I don't need to be told that this or
7:53that circumstance is provoking Jihad.
7:56It's part of the religion.
7:57>> Well, what about the reaction to the
7:59fact that there are some good Muslims,
8:01right? It's like there we all know good
8:03Muslims, some of our neighbors here.
8:07Is it an unfair categorization to call
8:10Islam Islam and say that it is dangerous
8:14and is incompatible with the West? Or
8:17should one say radical Islam is
8:19incompatible with the West?
8:22>> There is no radical or moderate Islam.
8:23This is another Western, you know,
8:25dichotomy created to make us sleep at
8:28night, okay? Uh Islam is Islam and it's
8:31what I just described, right? And I mean
8:33there's regulations. I don't want to
8:34pretend that it's just mass savagery.
8:36Okay, once they conquer you then, like I
8:38said, "Okay, you can keep your religion,
8:40just pay tribute and know your place."
8:41That sort of thing. Um
8:43>> Or we will cut your tongue.
8:45>> Yeah. [laughter]
8:46Yeah, okay, exactly. I'm just I just
8:48want to give the full picture, okay? Um
8:51the question about the radical and the
8:52moderate Muslim. So, the guys that we
8:54call radical, they're just following the
8:56religion.
8:57The guys that we call moderate, well,
8:59they're not, okay? And I I'm I'm sure
9:02that, you know, they may be sincere and
9:03they may be good. I'm not arguing that.
9:05But, they are not representing the
9:07religion. That's the bottom line.
9:09Because if the religion says, as Islam
9:11does, that if you leave Islam, you will
9:14pass you're an apostate. Muhammad
9:15himself in a canonical Hadith said,
9:17"Whoever leaves his religion, kill him."
9:19And so, according to Islamic teaching,
9:21uh the four schools that I mentioned,
9:23yeah, if you're an apostate, you get
9:25punished up until death. They have
9:27nuanced differences. Some say, "Oh, if
9:29it's a woman, you just keep her in a
9:30room and starve her and beat her." Okay?
9:32Others say, "Yeah, you execute him." Or
9:34her even.
9:36Um okay, so that's a part of the
9:37religion. Now, if you show me a Muslim
9:39who says, "Well, I reject that." Okay,
9:41good for you.
9:42But, the religion is still the religion.
9:45You just because you exist and you
9:48want to believe your religion is
9:49whatever, it doesn't change the fact
9:51that the religion is the religion. So,
9:53that's that's really my response. Yes,
9:55the good moderate Muslim exists, but
9:57he's not he's not reflecting the
9:59religion as it is.
10:00>> Is the Muslim Brotherhood a reflection
10:03of of Islam? The Muslim Brotherhood
10:05started in Egypt, right? And so, this is
10:07where your family is from. Can Can you
10:09just give us a little bit of background?
10:11Recently, as Americans, we heard that
10:13our administration categorized the
10:16Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist
10:18organization. This happened in 2026,
10:20only recently. But, I think many of us
10:23have heard about the Muslim Brotherhood
10:25as radical Islam, and they're the ones
10:28we should worry about because they're
10:30terrorists and they're kind of separate
10:32from regular Islam. So, maybe you can
10:35just tell us how to think through as
10:37Westerners about the Muslim Brotherhood
10:39and and their role really in the world
10:41at this point.
10:42>> Yeah, now that's a good point and I I
10:43often encounter this and it's really
10:45it's it's hard to I mean, it's a very
10:47nuanced thing on the one hand, but it's
10:49also it gets muddled. Okay, so Islam is
10:51Islam, Muslim Brotherhood or not. Okay,
10:53we just described the doctrine.
10:54>> idea of jihad, expansionism, and really
10:58their goal is to convert all of us.
11:00>> That's it's in the Quran, yeah.
11:02>> And if we don't convert
11:03>> subjugate you.
11:04>> Okay.
11:04>> One way or the other.
11:05>> Okay.
11:06>> Um, okay, so the Muslim Brotherhood,
11:081928, Hassan al-Banna. Um, we can talk a
11:11little bit about the origin, but to get
11:12to the point that I think you're trying
11:14to get to is, okay, it's it's a
11:16brotherhood, they're known as al-Ikhwan.
11:18And what they were is they came at a
11:20time, what's interesting about them is
11:21this is now during the colonial era, and
11:23much [snorts] of Egypt has had, you
11:25know, for lack of a better word,
11:26secularized. It's because it's under
11:28British rule.
11:29This is is interesting topic, you know,
11:31as as bad as the colonial era we're
11:33often told is it was actually the best
11:35time in many ways because Muslims who
11:38had always, you know, they respect
11:41strength and that's why they actually
11:42gravitated towards Islam because they
11:44were subject most of them were not
11:45Muslims, they converted. Most of Egypt's
11:47Muslims were originally Copts and the
11:49same thing all throughout the Middle
11:51East.
11:52And when they saw Islam and beaten on
11:54the field, they kind of like so what's
11:55the point? These these Europeans are
11:57coming here with progress and science
12:00and technology and riches and so Islam
12:03was kind of like fell, you know, on the
12:05wayside. It was like it was kind of like
12:06if you looked at it's amazing. You look
12:08at Egypt in the 1928.
12:11The women are not hijabed. The women men
12:13are in suits and ties and shaved, okay?
12:16Uh so it was kind of like a group like
12:18the Muslim Brotherhood which was trying
12:19to resuscitate Islam was kind of mocked
12:21like, you know, you guys are a little
12:23backwards. But of course with time we've
12:25seen that they've actually that
12:26mentality has continued to grow and has
12:29become the more dominant one. You go to
12:30Egypt now, women are hijabed and of
12:32course that sort of thing.
12:34>> [snorts]
12:34>> But
12:36their plan is so they were an
12:38organization at a time when Egypt was
12:40sort of not that Islamic
12:42and that's why it was like a core and
12:44from them they started this is why Egypt
12:46is the way it is. Groups like the
12:48Brotherhood and branches that broke off
12:50from it even more radical like the
12:52Salafis.
12:54Um this is these became the core that
12:56started to Islamize Egypt or re-Islamize
12:58it.
12:59>> And what was their claim that people had
13:02no religion whatsoever? Things were too
13:04secular and therefore life was
13:05meaningless?
13:06>> Yeah and uh one of their main guys
13:08Sayyid Qutb, he's the he he's their
13:10theoretician and he's a perfect example.
13:12He starts off secular, okay? Relatively
13:15speaking for an Egyptian and he could he
13:16to the point he travels to the to
13:18America. And I think he was in Denver or
13:20somewhere in Colorado.
13:22And what happened that that was his kind
13:24of like wake up call cuz he was just
13:25scandalized by how you know, to him
13:28corrupt these Americans were. Men and
13:31women freely consorting and whatnot with
13:33each other. So when he came back to
13:34Egypt his his idea which has really
13:37become prominent was and he's he wrote
13:39whole books about it, Milestones and
13:41other books. His idea became okay, these
13:44Westerners
13:45yeah, we can continue emulating them
13:46technology by appropriating their
13:48science or technology, that stuff but
13:51their culture is garbage. It's anathema
13:53and Islam is the only is the true path
13:56after all. So we have to reclaim Islamic
13:59teaching Islamic culture by but taking
14:01you know, Western military technology
14:04whatever.
14:05>> the good stuff, all the innovation,
14:07bring it to the Middle East but in the
14:09meantime get everybody
14:11>> by a 7th century desert mentality.
14:14>> So this is in 1928 they start the Muslim
14:16Brotherhood and they try to give
14:18probably a lot of the young men who feel
14:20like they need meaning. They they sell
14:22them on this idea that we can fill your
14:24hearts not just your pockets, right? How
14:27does the Muslim Brotherhood grow from
14:29this almost mocked organization in Egypt
14:33to something that is
14:34creating grief all over the world?
14:37>> Because what they taught is true.
14:41That is to say comports with true Islam.
14:44So let's say before the Muslim
14:45Brotherhood Islam had been so watered
14:46down and it really was. So what they
14:50recaptured is well yeah, this is what
14:51the Quran says, didn't you know that
14:53those infidels are enemies? That we
14:55shouldn't you know, cooperate with them
14:57that we should etc. etc. Jihad. So I
15:00think that's the power of these groups.
15:01It's that when people heard their
15:03argument and looked at their Quran they
15:04said well yeah, you're right. Okay, and
15:06that's how they started to to grow but
15:09it's also important to keep in mind
15:10because you mentioned you know, Texas in
15:11the United States the Muslim Brotherhood
15:13people forget this and the reason it's
15:15finally been
15:17they've been classified as terrorist
15:18organizations at least in Texas, maybe
15:20Florida is
15:22they actually back in I believe 2009,
15:25the FBI confiscated documents that
15:29internal documents that spell out their
15:32grand plan, which they say is to
15:34sabotage the miserable house of America
15:37and the West. That we are here, it
15:39literally says to wage a grand
15:41civilizational jihad.
15:43Jihad, okay, so historically jihad is
15:45warfare. Because you're not going to
15:47manipulate or or trick people you know,
15:50non-Muslims at in in that era, they were
15:52aware.
15:53Um today there's a little bit of
15:55naivety, and so people who want to
15:58manipulate and things to their to their
16:00advantage can do it, and that's what the
16:02Muslim Brotherhood says what they're
16:04doing. We are here to use their own, you
16:07know, system to sabotage their miserable
16:10house
16:11as part of a grand civilizational jihad.
16:14>> Well, I don't want to be naive about
16:15this, and so the way you're describing
16:17it is as if the Muslim Brotherhood, even
16:19though they're categorized as
16:21terrorists, they essentially break open
16:23the door.
16:25Moving into the West, maybe they come
16:27across as more radical, but what they're
16:29representing is Islam. And so why
16:32wouldn't other Muslims that live in the
16:35United States watch the Muslim Muslim
16:37Brotherhood
16:39conquer an area, establish dominance,
16:42and then the rest of the Muslim
16:44neighbors around them say, "Well, that
16:45is true Islam, let me join it." It This
16:48feels like this entire jihad of
16:50conquering the entire world seems to be
16:53almost strategic, right? You first send
16:55the Muslim Brotherhood to infiltrate the
16:58West, you inculcate this idea that Islam
17:01is a religion of peace, you know deep
17:03inside what Islam actually stands for,
17:05but you don't actually
17:08reckon with the truth, and before you
17:10know it, you have
17:12you have a hostile takeover through
17:14immigration.
17:15>> Right?
17:16>> Well, okay, so you know, this
17:18this brings us back to the question of
17:19moderate Muslims cuz here's another um
17:21you know, facet to it that I didn't
17:23discuss which is historically a lot of
17:25the moderate Muslims um
17:28when
17:29when when the when the Muslim
17:30Brotherhood types or radicals do come to
17:32power in a non-Muslim place, they
17:34immediately gravitate to their side.
17:36It's almost like a wait and see kind of
17:38approach. Uh so they wait and you know,
17:40okay, you guys are radicals, you're not
17:42strong enough. I don't I'm not ready to
17:43commit and get in trouble with you.
17:45But once they prove that they are strong
17:47enough, okay, now I'm going to join you.
17:49And and this happened to actually in um
17:51during ISIS when ISIS was the Islamic
17:53State when they were in Syria and Iraq.
17:55We have multiple accounts of Muslim
17:57okay, Christians actually who said they
18:00were living side by side with Muslims
18:02for generations. Okay. And they would
18:04say we would take care of them. We would
18:06feed them. And the moment ISIS came,
18:09those Muslims went to them and said,
18:10"That's the Christian." That's This is
18:12the during the time when they had the
18:13noon, you know, standing so the the
18:15Arabic N for Nasara because they would
18:18put the N on the homes of the Christians
18:20to indicate that's where the Christian
18:22lives. And so once ISIS came, all those
18:25moderates became radical and sided with
18:28them. And this actually is also part of
18:30an Islamic doctrine which is
18:32in Arabic it's called al-wala wal-bara
18:34which you can translate as loyalty and
18:37enmity.
18:38And in the Quran it literally says if
18:40you Muslims must be always loyal to
18:42fellow Muslims and they must have enmity
18:44and hatred for non-Muslims.
18:47But it also says according to Quran 3:28
18:50unless you have to guard yourself. And
18:52this has been interpreted with the word
18:53taqiyya from from Quran 3:28 which has
18:56been basically okay, you don't have to
18:58hate them and side with the Muslims if
19:00you're in a position of weakness around
19:03the infidel. You can act like their
19:05friend. You can get along with them. So
19:07this is
19:07this you know, further uh
19:10deepens the whole dichotomy between
19:12radical and Muslim. There's a lot of
19:14gray between both that is just waiting
19:16to see who's going to win out. Okay?
19:19>> I guess that's the reason why when
19:20dealing with the Middle East, you have
19:22to have peace through strength.
19:24>> Yeah. Yeah. Look, the Middle East when
19:26you talk about the mentality,
19:29um you know, when people talk about
19:30Israel and what's happening there,
19:32I I think the problem is people just
19:34assume that the other, Iran, okay, is
19:36somehow just peaceful and just wants to
19:38live and get along. Well, it's in their
19:41teachings. It's in their doctrines. It's
19:42in their history that these are non, you
19:45know, they're anti uh non-Muslim.
19:48They're expansionary. And that they
19:50follow, you know, extreme teachings of
19:52wait and see. I'm weak right now.
19:55You know, take Saudi Arabia. It's our
19:56friend and ally. But at the same time,
19:59openly their teachings are
20:01anti-Christian,
20:03anti-Jewish, anti-infidel. Okay? That's
20:06in their books and they they always get
20:07called out and they say, "Oh, yeah,
20:08we're going to fix it." And then keeps
20:10co- it keeps popping up.
20:11>> [snorts]
20:11>> And uh until this very day, when you
20:13talk about the persecution of Christians
20:15in Saudi Arabia is one of the worst,
20:17absolute. Where if you're just caught
20:19praying, if you're a migrant worker, and
20:21you're caught praying in in your house
20:23or celebrating Christmas, you'll get
20:25arrested and tortured.
20:27And then but but but then Tucker Carlson
20:29will go there and say, you know, "Oh,
20:30I'm a Christian. I feel great here."
20:32Okay? You know, so
20:33>> So what, they're just pretending and
20:34people are being duped until they see an
20:36opportune time to do full-on jihad or
20:38>> So what I'm saying is Iran is what is
20:41Saudi Arabia no less than Iran, okay? I
20:44mean, we're allied with them for
20:45political reasons, but no less than
20:47Iran, when the time comes, if they can,
20:50oh yeah, they will attack you, of
20:51course, and they will subjugate you and
20:54all the rest. It's It's just part of the
20:56But they maneuver based on their
20:59strength and weakness. So Saudi Arabia,
21:01which is the most radical nation, is our
21:03friend and ally, right? Because at this
21:05point in time, it's advantageous for
21:08them to do that. Okay?
21:10>> your enemy is my friend in the Middle
21:11East.
21:12>> Exactly.
21:13>> Bring
21:14back the fire.
21:16Bring back
21:19Bring
21:22back the fire.
21:22And [music] the
21:24righteous name.

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