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0:00Uh, I was in France right before the
0:02riots. I think Western Europe is
0:03completely [music] toast. What are you
0:04going to do about the dinghies? Are you
0:06going to shoot the dinghies? If you're
0:08not going to stop illegal immigration,
0:10[music] none of it makes any sense. If
0:12your alarm level is 10 out of 10 for
0:14Western Europe, where is it for America?
0:15We went into the slums. You know, when
0:17we did interviews with people over
0:18there, they'd tell us of one thing off
0:20camera [music] and I'm thinking, "Oh,
0:21this interview's going to be awesome."
0:23And then they got on camera and they
0:24just didn't tell us anything. You want
0:26to guess what the thing was they
0:27wouldn't speak honestly about? Macron is
0:29is is talking about rattling the sabers
0:31with Russia now. Would you would you
0:33fight for your country? I asked dozens
0:34and dozens of people that. I didn't come
0:36across a single [music] person in the
0:37slums who said they would fight for
0:39their country. Not one. Not one person.
0:41>> In the slums, are they basically [music]
0:43all illegals there?
0:44>> No, that's the thing. They're second,
0:46third generation. I think they have
0:47reached a point that they know they can
0:49do nothing about it because they can't
0:51remigrate people. There are too many.
0:53All you would need [music] is a fraction
0:55of the 9% of the people there to be be
0:58radicalized. You have shifting
1:00demographics, so the Muslim population
1:02[music] has more kids at younger ages.
1:05So, what do you do when faced with that
1:07demographic shift? My hypothesis is that
1:09you have to appease. It's appeasement.
1:11>> Well, the first thing I would do if I
1:12were Jewish, I'd [music] leave. That'd
1:13be my first order of business. If I'm an
1:15apostate, I would leave. So, there's a
1:17kind of a hierarchy of people who want
1:18to kill you. Everybody know how how it
1:20is. It ends in fire.
1:21>> think
1:22>> [music]
1:22>> you know, sane liberal people have to
1:24flee and and if so, where do they have
1:26to go?
1:28>> [music]
1:35>> I'm Dave Rubin, this is the Rubin Report
1:36and joining me today is the host of
1:39Street Epistemology, my old friend and
1:42probably 12 to 15 time repeat guest on
1:47the Rubin Report, Peter Boghossian.
1:48Pete, how are you?
1:49>> I am awesome. I'm truly living my best
1:52life. I've never been better.
1:54>> You're
1:55uh, in a nondescript studio over there.
1:57You've just got a white wall, which
1:58means knowing some of the things you
2:00talk about, you could possibly be in
2:02hiding right now. Is that fair to say?
2:03>> Yeah, I I have increasing safety
2:06concerns.
2:08Uh imagine that advocating for civil
2:10discourse, understanding the other side.
2:12Actually, that's what what Charlie Kirk
2:14did, right? He went in and he did
2:16exactly what he should have done. He
2:17talked to people who disagreed with him
2:18and he gave them a platform and then
2:20look what happened to him. Uh but yeah,
2:22so so I uh
2:24no complaints.
2:26It's interesting. I did see a picture
2:28the other day on a on a street post of
2:32people glorifying Charlie Kirk's death.
2:34I mean, there are some deeply sick and
2:36disturbed individuals.
2:38>> That there are. I have a feeling we're
2:40going to dive into some of them and the
2:43reasons that they get so sick and
2:45disturbed. But, you know, before we
2:46start, I had uh Andy Ngo on my show last
2:50week and we were talking about how it
2:52was an event, one of the first college
2:55gigs that I did way back when at
2:58Portland State University because you
3:00were an associate professor there, if
3:01I'm not mistaken. It was an event with
3:03me, you, and Christina Hoff Sommers.
3:06Just a free speech event. And it was the
3:08first time that I had ever come across
3:10Antifa or the protests or the violence
3:13or needing a police escort to get to the
3:16stage and all the rest of it. And there
3:17was a young kid there who was a student
3:20by the name of Andy Ngo, really doing
3:21his first on-the-ground reporting.
3:24And that was we think that was 2017. So,
3:27that was nine years ago. And so, my
3:30question to you is this. As someone
3:33that's been on the front lines, you
3:35know, you were doing this at Portland
3:36State, so Portland, you've been around.
3:40We we haven't been able to stop a lot of
3:42the bad stuff, have we? We've all tried,
3:44but we just haven't been able to.
3:47>> Yeah.
3:47>> of depressing way to start, I suppose.
3:49>> No, no. You have to be honest about the
3:52nature of the problem. We haven't been
3:54able to stop some of it, but we have
3:56moved the Overton window to how people
3:58think about some issues. What did
4:00God, what's I'm drawing a blank. What
4:02did that one say? Woke one was crazy.
4:05Um Who said that? Uh
4:06>> Oh, yeah, it was one of these generic
4:09Oh, maybe it was even AOC, I think
4:10that's it.
4:11>> Yeah, it was AOC. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
4:12I'm trying to blank. Um so,
4:15the the problem is I've said from day
4:16one is everything is downstream from the
4:18universities. So, you're not going to
4:20kill this craziness overnight, but I
4:22think the Overton window has changed and
4:24and nobody wants to walk on eggshells.
4:26Nobody wants Everybody's sick of it. But
4:29what people are looking for now, the
4:30last two or three years, is they're
4:32looking for solutions. They're looking
4:34for positives. They're looking for
4:35building, making.
4:37And so, it doesn't work really anymore
4:39to call people bad names. Although in
4:41Europe, it works to call them far right.
4:42That's an incredibly astonishing I guess
4:45the analog over here would be racist. If
4:48you call someone far right or think
4:50they're far right. Oh, by the way, it's
4:51a quick quick story. Uh I was in France
4:55right before the riots and we were at a
4:59at a meeting [laughter]
5:00Totally true story. We were at a meeting
5:01with some people we met through this
5:03nonprofit and we were having dinner and
5:06one of the women was upset that we were
5:08speaking in English.
5:11>> A French woman?
5:12>> A French woman and I I said, you know,
5:14my my my French is limited to one
5:17sentence that you don't want to hear.
5:19>> [laughter]
5:21>> Um but I thought it was interesting and
5:23then she started using she started
5:24talking about colonialism and oppression
5:28and I just thought it was so bizarre.
5:30Um
5:32but it was a really interesting
5:33experience, you know, like
5:35so a couple of things that I that I
5:37learned from that was and then I'll I'll
5:39get back to the question, but when
5:41you're in France, you know, I made the
5:44reference to
5:46former colonies and everybody got really
5:48mad at me. They're not former colonies,
5:50they're offshore territories.
5:53>> [laughter]
5:53>> And then we
5:54>> Right. Somehow French Polynesia, you
5:56know, whatever it is, 10,000 miles away
5:59>> And then it's theirs.
6:01>> Nobody's really sure how. Yeah, okay.
6:03>> Yeah, and just other things like, you
6:04know, we went into the slums with this
6:06nonprofit group to interview uh kids and
6:09do spectrum street epistemology with
6:10them and people were upset that I used
6:13the word slums, but they are slums.
6:15They're total slums. Uh so so I just
6:18thought it was I just thought it was so
6:20interesting and you know, when we did
6:21interviews with people over there,
6:23they'd tell us one thing on camera
6:26one thing off camera and I'm thinking,
6:27oh this interview's going to be awesome.
6:30And then they got on camera and they
6:31just didn't tell us anything. They they
6:33didn't talk.
6:34>> Yeah, and it's it was all about the same
6:35thing. It was all one thing. You want to
6:38guess what the thing was they wouldn't
6:39speak honestly about?
6:41>> Well, I'm going to guess radical Islam
6:43or something like that.
6:44>> Yeah, you don't even need the word
6:45radical. Any any kind of Islam they
6:48wouldn't speak about and then if there
6:50was a secondary thing, it would be
6:52immigration.
6:54So
6:55a failure to be honest about the nature
6:57of the problem, but I think the problems
6:59that we have in the West now are
7:00different. I think Western Europe is
7:02completely toast.
7:03>> So I So actually that's what I wanted to
7:05ask you next because I was watching a
7:07clip of yours that went viral. You were
7:09being interviewed or you were
7:10interviewing a French journalist and
7:12then you flipped at the end the
7:14question. You let her ask a question in
7:17essence and
7:19your response to what was happening
7:21what's happening in What do you think is
7:23going to happen in Europe and you said
7:26and I quote Connor, you can beat me if
7:28you want, you're and then you
7:30kind of laughed which was I think why it
7:32went viral because nobody wants to hear
7:34that they're effed and then laughed. I'm
7:37broadly when it comes to Western Europe,
7:38I'm with you on this. I see no way that
7:41they get out of this. Were you being a
7:44little bit flippant or do you think
7:45there's any chance that they can reverse
7:47any of this? Let's Let's say Let's say
7:49UK, France, and Belgium for example or
7:52Holland.
7:54>> Here's the litmus Well, Belgium no
7:56Belgium categorically Belgium is an
7:58unfettered I I I just simply
8:01was shocked the last time I was in
8:03Belgium. But here's the litmus test for
8:05this whole thing which I've been saying
8:07from day one. What are you going to do
8:09about the the dinghies?
8:11Are you going to shoot the dinghies? If
8:13you're not going to stop illegal
8:15immigration, none of it makes any sense.
8:18It's all It's all theater. It's all
8:20You know, we I had Martin
8:22Sellner on the show. You should totally
8:24have Martin Sellner on the show. He's
8:25the father of remigration. Every single
8:28person told me, "Don't interview him.
8:30He's toxic. He's of course far-right.
8:32Everybody's far Everybody who's not on
8:33the radical
8:34>> Yeah, everybody. We're all far-right.
8:36Yeah. If you're not a socialist, you're
8:37far-right. That's all it is.
8:38>> I'm not held hostage to that anymore
8:40because I'm I'm donor-funded and
8:42and and I I I just I don't give a
8:45I just truly at this point don't care.
8:47Uh [snorts] and I in fact I haven't
8:49cared for a long time. But he was
8:50telling me the crazy things that the
8:52state debanking and
8:55his taking his passport away or trying
8:58to limit his
8:59his access to certain countries. No,
9:01there's nothing you can do. There's
9:03nothing they can do. Here's my
9:05hypothesis. I'll jump to it. So, why is
9:07this insanity? Did you see the clip of
9:10the cop telling the guy that he's
9:12provoking people by being by being
9:14Jewish?
9:14>> Oh, yeah. He said you're like that they
9:16have these crazy Hamas rallies. One guy
9:19shows up and the cop says we can show
9:21beer all of it or maybe we'll even throw
9:22the audio in. But the cop I think the
9:24exact quote is you're visibly Jewish as
9:26if that's the affront to a civilized
9:29society, not the guys calling for
9:30destruction of the state.
9:32>> Yeah, so I have my own hypothesis about
9:35this.
9:38Tell me Tell me what you think about it.
9:39>> Yeah.
9:39>> I think they've reached a point now that
9:42they know they can do nothing about it
9:45because they can't remigrate people.
9:47There are too many. All you would need
9:49is a fraction of the 9% of the people
9:51there to be be radicalized. But you have
9:55two other things. You have shifting
9:57demographics. So, the the Muslim
10:00population has more kids at younger
10:03ages. And then you have Jan van der
10:06Beek's work
10:07from from Holland.
10:09Um Eric Kaufmann, you've had him on the
10:11show.
10:12Uh, you have some of his work.
10:15Uh, the idea Oh, and then you have
10:17Nicolas Monti's work from France. And it
10:19shows that each successive generation is
10:21becoming more Islamized and more
10:23radical. So, so what do you do when
10:25faced with that demographic shift? My
10:27hypothesis is that you have to appease.
10:30It's appeasement. So, that's why I think
10:32you're seeing this, you know, if you
10:36ra- if if you offend someone or if you
10:38Cuz I think that they know deep down
10:40that they can't do anything at this
10:41point.
10:42>> Right. Okay, so you've given me a couple
10:43ways to go there. So, let's try to do
10:45one at a time. So, first off, if if you
10:46just let's imagine a world where
10:49tomorrow
10:50they could literally just stop the
10:52invasion. So, no more boats, no more
10:54dinghies, no more cross-border land
10:56border stuff. We they stop all that.
10:59Your argument is still that's not
11:00enough, right? Cuz cuz you threw that
11:03out first, but that simply is not enough
11:04because there's still the internal
11:05problem, right? But you're just saying
11:07there's no way they're going to even do
11:08that.
11:09>> I hate when people do this to me, but
11:12but we're good friends and I'm going to
11:13do this to you. It's not that I won't
11:15entertain that hypothetical,
11:17>> No, I know there's no chance. I I I get
11:19you. I get you. But I'm just
11:21>> But it's important to talk about why
11:22there's no chance. Because this is gets
11:24to the nature of the problem.
11:26Unless you're willing to talk about
11:28shooting the boat They're not even
11:29willing to entertain that idea. So,
11:31anything that follows from that is
11:33nonsense. But okay, let's say that
11:35tomorrow they magically manage to stop
11:37the boat. I don't know how they would do
11:39that because they're not willing to
11:40shoot them. So, I'm not even sure I
11:42accept the premise of the hypothetical.
11:44But okay, let's just run with it. So, so
11:46they they manage to stop the boats. They
11:48they make a flotilla or something around
11:50the island. I don't know how they do it.
11:52It just accept it by fiat that that's
11:53true. You would then need to change the
11:57structure of the tax system. You'd nee-
11:59need to change the
12:01Cuz you already have millions of people
12:02from offshore territories who are
12:05living, well, particularly in in France
12:08and they're living in the slums. And so,
12:10those people So, we went there and we
12:12visited them and we talked to them and a
12:15few things came up in those hundreds of
12:18conversations. One is and I and I and
12:21I'm going to try to steel man this to a
12:22certain extent.
12:24I think that this is probably true. They
12:26feel that they have no upward social
12:28mobility.
12:29And it's true, European economies are
12:33are in a catastrophic state. You know,
12:35France's deficit is $4 trillion.
12:3810 of the 10 top AI companies in the
12:40world are in China or the United States.
12:43They have almost no investment in
12:44technological infrastructure like we do.
12:46They certainly have no no analog of Elon
12:49Musk. So, they feel they have no upward
12:52mobility and people will say things
12:53like, "Well, I can't afford an apartment
12:55in the 6th district." Or I can't Well,
12:58yeah, I went to a talk from by Peter
12:59Thiel at Oxford a while ago and he said,
13:02"You you need to think about immigration
13:04as a tax on young people and uh people
13:08who are below the upper class because
13:11they they they come and they buy houses
13:14and neighborhoods and rent apartments
13:16that then raises the price so that other
13:17people can't afford it. So, yeah, so of
13:19course they can't afford housing. They
13:20can't afford housing. They have no
13:22upward mobility. And and I would say to
13:24them like, "Well, well, you know, cuz
13:26you know, Poland has conscription now
13:28and you're seeing right-wing governments
13:30with the AFD in Germany.
13:32Um Macron is is is talking about
13:35rattling the sabers with Russia now.
13:37Would you would you fight for your
13:38country?" I asked dozens and dozens of
13:40people that. I didn't come across a
13:41single person in the slums who said they
13:43would fight for their country. Not one.
13:45Not one person.
13:47>> Now, in the slums, are they basically
13:49all illegals there?
13:52>> No, that's the thing. They're second
13:53third generation to nothing.
13:55>> Ah, okay, cuz I wanted to get to the
13:56generational thing. I wanted yeah. So,
13:58they're second and third. So, meaning
13:59their parents or grandparents legally
14:02came to France. Probably made a decent
14:05middle class life. And now for whatever
14:08reason, we can talk regulation or
14:10they're they're just not business
14:11friendly or immigration, jobs, housing,
14:13all the things you just mentioned. Now,
14:15the kids are in the slums, which is kind
14:18of hard to believe. And basically,
14:20you're saying they they're just
14:22they're just ready to burn the thing
14:23down and quite literally doing it.
14:26>> Yeah, and that's why I'm trying to steel
14:27man it because even though their life in
14:29France is far better than it would be in
14:32whatever as Trump said country
14:34they came from.
14:35>> Where were most of them from? Most of
14:36the people that you talked to?
14:37>> Well, it's funny cuz we walked in some
14:38of these schools cuz we did the spectrum
14:40street epistemology and we did teacher
14:42trainings in schools and the first
14:45school we went into, I saw I don't speak
14:48any French, but I saw our kids and
14:50usually people speak English. So, I said
14:52something to them in English and they
14:53just looked at me and I thought that was
14:54odd. And then the the nonprofit we were
14:57with, they said something to them in
14:59French and then they just looked at
15:00them. And then we learned from inside
15:02that they were from Afghanistan. Now,
15:04here's the interesting thing. Those kids
15:06from Afghanistan, the French government
15:09got them
15:10a hotel room and they only come to
15:13school some of the time. So, they have
15:15no parents. They're I mean, I feel feel
15:18bad for these kids. I don't quite
15:20understand why they're in French in
15:22France at the taxpayers' expense and
15:24there's no way to monitor them. Well,
15:26they do monitor them for when they go to
15:28school, but more often than not, they
15:29don't go to school. And that was just
15:30like the first 5 seconds we were in
15:32there.
15:33>> Okay, so so again, we're doing a
15:35hypothetical here. Hypothetically, if
15:37they could close the borders, I I agree
15:38with you. I don't see that there's a
15:40will to do it and even the good people,
15:42you know, people like Nigel Farage or
15:44let's say Marine Le Pen, the more
15:45right-leaning people that are
15:46threatening these types of things,
15:49um what's her name? Alice Weidel out of
15:50the AfD in Germany. I Will any of them
15:53do it? My guess is no. You know, when I
15:56left traditional media to build the
15:57Rubin Report, plenty of people thought I
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17:02But okay, let's pretend you close the
17:04border.
17:04>> of a job does Mike do in Holland?
17:06>> He has to He has to get power again. So,
17:08but okay. So,
17:09>> only one.
17:10>> All right. So, let's say there's a
17:11couple There's a half dozen leaders in
17:13Europe that let's say are even willing
17:15to do something. So, you have to close
17:17the border. That's one thing. We're in
17:18agreement that they're not particularly
17:20good at that. Then, you are going to
17:23have to actually kick out the illegals.
17:26To me, that would be even harder because
17:28they're going to have to put troops on
17:29the street. And And I don't think any of
17:30them are going to do it.
17:31>> Well, they can't
17:32>> talking about the illegals. You're also
17:33going to have legal people you have to
17:34denaturalize.
17:35>> Yeah, they can't do that in London. So,
17:37that's out. So, the the other thing is
17:40when I kept saying that, like, why don't
17:42you just repatriate them or why don't
17:44you remigrate remigrate them? That's
17:46what Martin Sellner wants to do.
17:48Why don't you And that's a big
17:50movement now. And there's also a guy I
17:52spoke to who was the head of I never
17:54even knew this existed but Frexit French
17:57exit. It [snorts] was total news to me.
17:59But So,
18:01they would The response that they gave
18:03is you you can't you you you can't
18:05expatriate these You can't just remove
18:07their citizenship. They're French
18:09citizens. So, then you're left with
18:11something like El Salvador. You know,
18:13then you just build large kind of
18:15concentra- concentration camps. Like,
18:17maximum truly maximum security prisons.
18:20I don't know if you've seen those
18:21videos.
18:22>> Right, you build like like District 9
18:24basically.
18:25>> [laughter]
18:26>> Yeah, like hardcore prisons and anybody
18:28caught doing, you know, violating the
18:30law or such. Okay, so there's no legal
18:33mechanism in French law to kick them out
18:36of the country and revoke their
18:37citizenship, but you can just
18:39incarcerate them for 20 years. Of
18:41course, that's extremely expensive, but
18:42what's the alternative? They're just
18:44going to riot and burn stuff down.
18:46>> So then what do you Right.
18:48>> They have free health
18:49>> They have free health care. They have
18:50free They have free everything. They If
18:52you look at the statistics on French
18:54school spending, it's in the top
18:5620% of the of of of that hemisphere. I
19:00mean, of the West. So I I It's not clear
19:03to me. They have subsidized housing.
19:05They have
19:07So I I don't know. I don't know. I mean,
19:09you'd have to take away medical care.
19:10You'd have to remove the incentivization
19:12structure for people who want to come
19:14there. But I don't even think that is
19:16that may be may be possible to a certain
19:19extent, but then what are you going to
19:20do about So one of the places that we
19:22went into Sorry, I'm talking a lot. I
19:24just there's so much on my mind about
19:26the subject.
19:26>> It's an interview, Phil. Feel free.
19:29>> Yeah, so there was this there was a
19:30teacher who was beheaded by an Islamist.
19:32His name is Samuel Paty. And we
19:35interviewed his sister's lawyer.
19:38And this this this teacher was beheaded
19:40and every class that we went to, there
19:42were pictures of this this teacher
19:44happy, etc.
19:46>> [snorts]
19:47>> I mean, and and the the the teachers
19:49they were justifiably ter- they're
19:51they're terrified of speaking against
19:53this or or saying something that could
19:55insult Islamists. They're just terrified
19:57of it. So what do you do about that? I
19:59mean, how are you going to change that?
20:01I just don't see any way out of it.
20:04>> Right. Well, there Well, I think we're
20:05both in we're both in agreement I think
20:07that there are ways out. I think we're
20:08both but it's really that no one's
20:10willing to do it, right? Like if you had
20:12somebody come in and say borders are
20:14closed today. They still have somewhat
20:16functioning armies. You could do it.
20:18It's not a matter of can, it's a matter
20:21of will, right? So something could be
20:24Right, you agree with that, right? If if
20:25somebody came in tomorrow in the UK,
20:27there's some way to do it. We're not
20:29We're not border experts, but there's
20:30some way to protect the borders.
20:31>> But, what's the it in that sentence?
20:33There's some way to do
20:34>> Well, you Well, Poland did it. You
20:35literally have to build fences and
20:37walls, and you have electronic
20:38surveillance, and you threaten shoot
20:40people.
20:40>> No, Poland didn't do it once No, Poland
20:43didn't do it once they were inside. They
20:45did it before they got inside.
20:47>> that I'm saying that's different. The
20:48people The internal people is different.
20:50I'm just talking about One thing at a
20:51time. The border
20:52around your country can be protected,
20:55obviously, one way or another. The
20:57people that are inside, you have the
20:59illegals, and then you hit on both. You
21:01have the illegals, and then you have the
21:02second and third-generation people who
21:04probably should not be there that are
21:06causing a huge amount of the chaos. And
21:08to denaturalize and deport them, I get
21:09it, it's a legal
21:11series of legal crazy loopholes, and and
21:13what your argument in essence is, well,
21:15then do what El Salvador did, which is
21:16just you just arrest them, and then you
21:18throw them in these things for extremely
21:19long times, and maybe
21:21>> Yeah.
21:21>> But, I don't even think they'll do that.
21:23>> Or or
21:24>> people have been arrested in Paris?
21:25We'll We'll try to get some numbers. In
21:26the last month, how many people have
21:27been arrested in Paris?
21:28>> Well, last few days ago it was 1,200,
21:31and then another 800, but but even if
21:33you even if you did that, the other
21:35thing is, you know, Trump has floated
21:36the idea, Nigel Farage has floated the
21:39idea, you basically pay some They keep
21:42their French citizenship, they keep
21:43their citizenship, but you just pay a
21:45country like Rwanda to build supermaxes,
21:47like really serious prisons, and you
21:50just incarcerate people 20, 30 years,
21:52and then they drop dead in there. I
21:53mean, that's the other situation, that
21:55way you wouldn't run into the legal
21:56hurdles. But, I don't but but even that
22:00would assume that there's political will
22:02to do that.
22:02>> Right, you still have to get them off
22:04the street, you still have to get them
22:05on a plane. I don't think any of these
22:07countries have an appetite for that. I
22:08think they'd rather die, as Douglas
22:10Murray says, the strange death.
22:13>> Yeah, not not only do they have do they
22:14not have the appetite, I'm going to go
22:16one step further than that. I don't know
22:18if you're going to agree with this, but
22:19I don't know how it would be
22:20logistically possible to do that in
22:22these in in Western Europe. I mean, you
22:24certainly Brussels, it would be
22:25absolutely impossible to do that in
22:27Brussels. I don't know when the last
22:28time you were in Brussels was, but I I
22:30was
22:31>> 7 years ago.
22:32>> Good, you're lucky. I was just shocked
22:34when I was there. Um So so
22:38I mean, it's it's really an intractable
22:40problem because you you you would need
22:43you would need enough young men in an
22:46you would have to bring in the army and
22:48just start Everybody who riots, boom
22:51boom supermax in Rwanda out. That's it.
22:53You're going to rape people, you're
22:54going to kill people, you're going to
22:56threaten people, you're going to break
22:57into people's homes. Okay, breaking into
22:59people's homes, we only give you 10
23:01years in the supermax. But like hurting
23:03anybody, beating someone up, that's
23:05that's 30 years. That's that's life
23:06sentence. And then the other thing is
23:08you'd need a judiciary to do that,
23:10right? You they you you need to give
23:12them a fair trial.
23:14>> Right. We just checked the numbers, by
23:15the way, and about in the last month or
23:17so since this really kicked off with
23:18France, about 5,000 people have been
23:21arrested across France. Uh the question
23:24is how many of them are actually still
23:25in jail and didn't just get you know,
23:27slapped on the wrist and and sent back
23:29out there. But so let me ask you this,
23:31how much of this do you think
23:33is cultural because of these people
23:35coming from the Middle East and Africa
23:37with their religion and feelings about
23:40minorities and other religions and gays
23:42and all of that? How much is the
23:44cultural problem then coming to, you
23:46know, quote unquote enlightened Europe
23:48uh versus the financial stuff that you
23:50just mentioned?
23:51>> Oh, actually I thought you were going to
23:52say I thought you were going to say how
23:54much of it is cultural and how much of
23:56it is religious and I was going to say
23:57it's very difficult to disentangle those
23:59two.
23:59>> Well, right. We can try that. That
24:01that's probably basically impossible.
24:03How do you take someone from the Middle
24:04East and decide whether it's culturally
24:06that they learn these things or it's
24:07specifically religious? It's like
24:09splitting hairs, probably.
24:11>> Yeah, those two are covariant. They they
24:13build on each other and reinforce each
24:14other. But so what do you mean like how
24:17much of it is it cultural
24:18>> of the angst and anger and willingness
24:20to burn a country down do you think is
24:22cultural? Like it's coming because they
24:24don't have the same beliefs as these
24:26Western liberal democracies uh versus
24:30just that they got there and had the
24:31economic conditions been different they
24:33would have behaved better.
24:35>> It's hard to say. Actually, years ago I
24:38I listened to somebody on your show. He
24:41was a I think he was a Kurdish economist
24:44from Sweden. I can't remember his name,
24:46but I subsequently after I listened to
24:47your show I read his stuff. And he said
24:49the number one factor that successfully
24:51predicts immigrate whether an immigrant
24:54will assimilate. I don't know if you
24:55remember your conversation with him.
24:56>> Was Kurdish economist from Sweden?
24:58They're going to check. Did I have a
25:00Kurdish economist from Sweden on?
25:02>> Yeah, I think that's what it was. He
25:04said
25:05he said that it was I thought it was
25:07going to be if they were like a radical
25:08Islamist or jihadi or something, but it
25:10but it wasn't. Religiosity wasn't even
25:12in the mix. It was whether they're
25:14skilled and made a good living.
25:20>> So you would say if you brought these
25:21people in Well, I guess that argument
25:23would be even if they were somewhat
25:25radicalized, if they could get there and
25:28it was basically pretty good, they could
25:30put some of that aside.
25:31But that's still an argument against
25:33socialism because France is basically
25:35socialist.
25:36>> Well, that's correct. But but even then,
25:38that's for only for the first generation
25:39people, or the people who come there off
25:41the boat. It's not for the for the
25:43children, the second generation and
25:44third generation. And then you have the
25:46prison system in the UK it's
25:48particularly bad. People are becoming
25:50radicalized, they're becoming Islamized
25:52through that. And then you So I don't
25:54mean
25:55I'm feeling bad that I'm just going to
25:56be such a depressing podcast.
25:58>> That's It's been a lot We've been doing
25:59a lot of this lately, but you know,
26:00especially look, we're a couple days
26:02away from the midterms and America will
26:03decide which way it wants to go. And if
26:05you So So go. Do what you want.
26:07>> So So you have I just think that we need
26:10to be honest about the nature of the
26:11problem. And if people are listening to
26:13this and be like, oh my god, that was
26:14depressing. I mean, so what do you want
26:16to do? You want to be an ostrich? I
26:18mean,
26:19what what's the alter Like, you not
26:21paying attention to the problem does not
26:23make it go away.
26:23>> Well, you get you get beheaded a little
26:25lower on the neck if you do the ostrich
26:27thing.
26:27>> That's That's just what it's just what I
26:29need right now.
26:30Um,
26:31>> [laughter]
26:31>> so so here's the other thing that's
26:33that's interesting to me.
26:34>> [snorts]
26:34>> Um,
26:36you you you the woman I in that
26:37interview Florence,
26:39that's my best French accent. She did
26:42studies of how Muslims become
26:44radicalized in the halal markets. And
26:48her work is fascinating. It's a
26:50continuation of what the Muslim
26:51Brotherhood wants to do for their They
26:54didn't say 100-year plan, but people
26:55have called it the 100-year plan in two
26:57papers that they put out. But you you
27:00have the idea that people are being the
27:03the fact that people are being
27:04radicalized in um, Islamic communities,
27:07halal markets. Interesting that
27:09prisons. Interestingly, it's less
27:11mosques at the moment. But here's
27:13something almost nobody knows that's
27:15fascinating to me. So,
27:18you know what halal meat is?
27:21>> Yeah, well, it's killed in a certain way
27:23and
27:23>> Yeah, correct. It's it's particularly
27:26cruel and PETA people are upset about it
27:29and justifiably so. It's it's it's
27:31needlessly cruel. You face in a certain
27:32way, etc. That's everybody has that
27:34basic understanding of halal meat. But
27:37what Here's what nobody knows and what
27:39nobody understands is that that is a
27:41religious practice. And to do a
27:44religious practice, to put on your,
27:47you know, container of your meat or what
27:48have you, this is halal, you need to get
27:50a license.
27:52And those licenses are religious
27:54licenses. And a certain percentage of
27:56every license that's sold goes to
27:58proselytize in the host countries. So,
28:01every time drunk English people or what
28:03have you are buying a shawarma or a gyro
28:05at like 3:00 a.m.,
28:08they're actually paying for their own
28:09demise. They're paying for the
28:11indoctrination of their fellow citizens
28:13into an invasive ideology, is
28:17an invasive type of Islam.
28:19>> So, what
28:21would you do? You You spent a couple of
28:23years in Hungary. You were the one that
28:25actually people know I've been to
28:26Hungary three times over the last 3
28:27years, really fell in love with the
28:28country and the people. I I I hope that,
28:30you know, despite losing Orban that it
28:32doesn't go the wrong way. It sounds like
28:33it's gone a little bit the wrong way, at
28:35least. But, you spent time in Central
28:37Europe where they were defending
28:39themselves better. If you had If you
28:41were in London or if you were in
28:43Brussels or you were in Paris right now
28:46and you had your family there and your
28:47kids and everything, what what would you
28:49be doing?
28:52>> Oh, you mean if I were advising the the
28:54Prime Minister or if I were a dictator,
28:56what would I
28:56>> Well, both of it. Well, no no no no no.
28:57I mean, if you were just Pete a citizen
28:59that lived in one of those places and
29:01you're hearing Pete Boghossian on the
29:02Rubin Report say it's over for you guys.
29:04What what would you be doing? I mean, do
29:05you think Do you think you know, sane
29:08liberal people have to flee? And And if
29:10so, where do they have to go?
29:11>> Well, the first thing I would do if I
29:13were Jewish, I'd leave. That'd be my
29:14first order of business.
29:16And then, I would figure out do I Do I
29:19have If I'm an apostate, I would leave.
29:21So, there's a kind of a hierarchy of
29:22people who want to kill you. Now,
29:25I'm an atheist, so I'm pretty much down
29:26on the list of people who want to kill.
29:28Um
29:30So, I I would figure out
29:32>> on the list? I don't think they like
29:33atheists very much.
29:34>> No, but they they Jews and apostates are
29:37topping the list.
29:38>> All right, so that go Okay, Jews first,
29:40then the people who leave Islam, then we
29:42throw in the queers for Palestine when
29:43they're not useful anymore, and then the
29:45atheists.
29:47>> first. You know, Bill Clinton had that
29:48famous line, you know, we gave them
29:50wanted to give them the West Bank, etc.,
29:51and all they wanted to do is kill Jews.
29:53Uh
29:53>> Yeah.
29:53>> So So, you have that problem.
29:56And again, in every one of these
29:58conversations, people have to say the
29:59same thing. We're not talking about all
30:01Muslims. Of course, we're not. But,
30:03we're talking about, you know, Raymond
30:04Ibrahim estimates the number of people
30:07and And if you define radical Muslim as
30:08someone who wants to impose Sharia,
30:11Raymond Ibrahim has written
30:13um multiple books about this. He
30:16estimates that it's about 15 to 20% of
30:18the people who are radical. So, if
30:20you're you're you're you're taking in
30:21100 people, that's 15 to 20% of the
30:24people who want to impose Sharia law on
30:26the host population. So, you
30:28Yes, it is not all people, but it is a
30:30significant minority of people. And
30:32then, within that concentric circles
30:34that outer layer, you have people who
30:36have attitudes that are
30:38they don't want to kill Jews or
30:40homosexuals, but they're overtly hostile
30:42to Jews and homosexuals, etc. And and
30:45and and apostates. And there's specific
30:46suras and hadiths about the punishment
30:49for apostasy being death, and you can
30:50look at the statistics of Islamic
30:52countries. I think it's 11 uh countries
30:55punishable punish apostasy by death, but
30:57they they may not kill people, they just
30:59might give them prison sentences. But
31:01anyway, my my point is
31:03what I would do if I lived in those
31:05countries is I would figure out where I
31:07was on the
31:09um kill list, and then if I wasn't on
31:12the kill list, I'd wait till last
31:13possible minute before I left. If I
31:16wasn't on the kill list, I'd exit
31:17immediately.
31:18>> Right, but nobody knows when the last
31:20possible second is. So, you could be
31:22just a like a average nominal, let's
31:25say, Christian Frenchman, but you don't
31:27know when that day comes until you wake
31:29up that morning and they're at your your
31:31door.
31:32>> Uh yeah, it it will be a I mean, you
31:34don't know, but like, for example, in
31:35France right now, apartments on the on
31:37the ground floor are if you want to buy
31:40a place in Paris, apartments on the
31:42ground floor are very inexpensive right
31:44now because people are afraid of
31:45rioting. And so, you know, the rioting
31:48will come in ebbs and flows, and you
31:49don't know you can take more or less
31:52educated guesses. Like, I wouldn't be in
31:53Brussels now. I mean, Brussels is a
31:55fetid cesspool. Um but it just depends
31:58where where you want to go. I mean,
32:00Hamburg, when I was there in in
32:02uh in college, was great. And now, I
32:04mean, Malmö, Sweden, for example, that's
32:07one of the worst places. So, I guess it
32:09just it just depends. The other thing is
32:11if So, that's what I would do. And I
32:14have friends ask have asked me that same
32:16question. I don't think you need to
32:17leave these countries for a while yet.
32:19>> And and so, but where do you go? Where
32:22do you go? I see these comments pop up a
32:24lot. Okay, so, the French Jews will will
32:26go to Israel. Fine. Where Where does
32:29everyone else go?
32:30>> Um it depends. So, certain passports are
32:32better than others. The French passport
32:34is actually quite good. Uh Eastern
32:36European passports are not as good. So,
32:39>> But the Eastern Europeans are going to
32:41not have to leave as quickly.
32:43>> Yeah, that's true. They're going to but
32:45you know, with the Islamization of of
32:48Western Europe, it's going to be more
32:49difficult.
32:51Uh it's going to be more difficult for
32:52them to to maintain their borders. So,
32:54if you're
32:56if you have a UK passport, then you have
32:58possibilities in Canada, which I
33:00wouldn't go to, and New Zealand. The
33:02crown, you know, you can go to the
33:04crown. So, New Zealand is pretty good.
33:05New Zealand has a a different kind of of
33:08problem right now. But I I know David
33:10Seymour, the vice president, he's a
33:11great guy. He's doing great work
33:13for the ACT party.
33:15Um so, you know, the other thing is you
33:18could go to Argentina with Malaya. Now,
33:21Peter Thiel went there, other people
33:22went there. I think Argentina's good,
33:24but a friend of mine, Leonardo
33:26[clears throat]
33:27Orlando, said to me he said was a was a
33:30fellow with me. He said something really
33:31interesting. He said some places like
33:33Uganda look dangerous and they are, and
33:35other places like Buenos Aires don't
33:38look dangerous and they they are.
33:40Um so, Chile is out. The Chilean Spanish
33:44as a general rule, if you want to learn
33:46a language, you want to avoid coastal
33:48places because they the accent is thick.
33:50That's why the Colombia is better for
33:52Spanish. So, Chile is it's hard to learn
33:54Spanish there,
33:56but you could potentially do that. I
33:58don't know about their their current
34:00government and civil unrest, and crime
34:02has risen dramatically in Santiago.
34:05But I don't know, you could So, you
34:06could do that. You could head to you
34:08could head to Argentina.
34:11So,
34:12you could also head to El Salvador. El
34:13Salvador is looking pretty good right
34:15now.
34:16>> And this is all on the assumption that
34:17any of these countries would let people
34:19in and mass, and that that we'd truly be
34:22saying goodbye to Western Europe, which
34:24people people you know, I had I did a
34:26show in Australia a couple months back,
34:28and I had Andrew Neil on. Is he from BBC
34:31or
34:33and and I said something I think I said
34:35my exact words were that Buckingham
34:37Palace will be occupied by Islamists in
34:4020 years, and he completely freaked out
34:43on me, but I think I'm right. I I I just
34:45see no possible way around it. But okay,
34:48so we're largely in agreement on that.
34:49We're scaring the hell out of everybody.
34:51We've got all my European audience right
34:52now looking at their passports. What
34:54Talk Yeah.
34:55What would What would you What would you
34:56say What would you say from an American
34:58perspective? Where What time is it here
35:00in America now?
35:02>> So just to rewind for a second. We We
35:04know how it ends. Everybody know how
35:06how's it how it ends. It ends in fire.
35:08We all know how it ends. It's just how
35:12and
35:13you know
35:14that I would argue is
35:16you know, in Constantine said, "Kissing
35:18the said, you know, we didn't vote for
35:19it. We didn't vote for it. We didn't And
35:20And And it's true, you know, if you if
35:22you look at the voting decisions of both
35:24conservative labor and liberal dems,
35:26they haven't voted for it.
35:27>> Just doesn't matter.
35:29>> No, it it doesn't matter, and you know,
35:31a lot of it is Soros backed money, etc.
35:34But you you also have one other option
35:36before we get to the US. An option that
35:38I've written about extensively and
35:39argued for extensively, and that's
35:41surrender.
35:42Now, the advantage to surrender now, if
35:45you surrender if Western Europe Europe
35:47surrenders, they can cut a very good
35:49deal right now.
35:51Logistically
35:53just bracket how that would work for a
35:56second, but you know, you could let the
35:58Jews go, minimize
36:01punishment for homosexuals. There's this
36:03thing called There's a reduced status.
36:05And And And non-Muslims have to pay a
36:07tax.
36:08>> Right. So So you're going to have a
36:10country of dimmies who are going to pay
36:11the jizya. I could do enough with the
36:13buzzwords.
36:15>> Yeah, I didn't know if people would know
36:16those, so I didn't use them, but
36:18um So So yeah, so you could surrender.
36:20And the earlier you surrender, the
36:22better of a deal you're going to cut. I
36:23mean, we know how it's going to end
36:24anyway. So why not
36:26why not try to save lives in the
36:29meantime?
36:31>> My guess is no one's going to go for
36:33that.
36:34>> Okay, well then we know what's going to
36:35happen to them.
36:37>> Yeah.
36:38I'm I'm with you there. I I think it's I
36:41think they'll be Yeah, I mean, I think
36:42they'll be various versions of it. All
36:44right, like the UK I think is done. You
36:46you've
36:47really raised the alarm on Belgium. Like
36:50who the hell knows what'll happen with
36:51France. Germany they're so it's such a
36:53mess in Germany because of the social
36:55programs are so huge and they have a
36:57very complex history because of World
36:59War
37:00that leaves generational guilt with
37:01them. So they're just dying on the
37:03story. I mean, there's just so many
37:04versions of this. It's not the same for
37:05every country. That's the point.
37:06>> Yeah, that's true. But remember France
37:08has a few things going for it. Like
37:10Germany that used to be the powerhouse
37:12of of Europe and they're talking about
37:14conscription to now. They're they're
37:16worried about the Russians which is
37:18I shouldn't laugh. It's this is this
37:20actually nothing funny about our
37:21conversation. But remember France has a
37:24few things going for it. Increasingly,
37:26you know, Sam Altman says instead of you
37:28know, Andrew Yang has said universal
37:30basic income must have said universal
37:32high income. Altman has said
37:35universal token income. So everyone gets
37:37paid in tokens. The one thing France
37:39really has going for it in its its
37:41corner is nuclear energy. They've made
37:44very wise investments.
37:46You know, Germany has idiotically done
37:48away with that. Remember that famous
37:50clip where they're laughing at Trump.
37:51But you won't be able to and then
37:53there's this you know, again again we're
37:56seeing a future move to a data centers
37:58move to an AI. So so France has
38:00something things going for it and
38:02increasingly the cost of energy in the
38:04UK and Germany is going up. You know,
38:07I've seen
38:08I was meeting with I'm not going to say
38:10the name of the country in Eastern
38:11Europe not Hungary. And people will
38:13said, what would you do? What would your
38:14advice to us be? And I said, build solar
38:17panels, geothermal. You're going to see
38:19increasingly energy with AI is going to
38:22be the the currency of the future.
38:26>> What what would what do you make of the
38:27sort of inability for people
38:30I mean this sort of philosophically.
38:32What do you mean the inability for
38:33people to deal with problems that they
38:36see in front of them. So for example,
38:38when we were in Australia last year,
38:40you could see that the the Islam problem
38:42and the immigration problem is
38:44everywhere. There were you know, they
38:45have these booths on the corners in all
38:47the big cities. They're trying to
38:49convert people. Oddly, that never
38:50happens in any Muslim countries where
38:52Christians and Jews are wandering around
38:54trying to convert Like, you could just
38:55see it everywhere. And instead of
38:57talking about that, everywhere I went,
38:59all anyone wanted to talk about was
39:01energy or renewables or all this other
39:03stuff. And I'm like, "Guys, guys, this
39:05is all well and good. It's nice that you
39:07want green energy, but do you see what
39:08is happening to Melbourne right now?
39:10It's They literally were having a uh
39:12machete crisis, and they were putting
39:15because second and third generation
39:17immigrants, again, very similar to
39:19France, actually, were just taking
39:20machetes and hacking the hell out of
39:21people. So, the the response to that,
39:23the government response, I kid you not,
39:25was to put boxes machete boxes on the
39:27corners. So, if you happen to be walking
39:29by with a machete and then, you know,
39:30have a sudden, you know, come to Jesus
39:32moment, at least you could put your
39:33machete away safely. What What do you
39:35make of that? People's disconnect
39:37disconnect between what they see and
39:39what they think their problems are.
39:41>> I love the use of come to Jesus moment
39:43in that context.
39:44>> But, you're like, you're about to like,
39:46you know, slice off grandma's head, and
39:48then you're like, "Ah, let me just put
39:50this machete away."
39:51>> Yeah, I think I think people I think
39:54it's a crisis of cowardice. I think
39:56people are afraid to call things out for
39:58what they are. I think that the older I
40:00get, I just turned 60, and I've been
40:03doing so much spectrum street
40:04epistemology. I've been literally for
40:06decades now asking people why they
40:08believe what they believe, etc. And
40:11one lesson I've learned that I can tell
40:13you with unequivocal confidence is
40:15people don't formulate their beliefs
40:17their moral beliefs on the base of
40:18evidence. They formulate them on the
40:20base of what they what it means to be a
40:22good person. Like, I don't see color
40:25could be a good person, but then that
40:26changed, you know, you don't see color,
40:28so you're racist, but [laughter]
40:29um
40:30>> Right.
40:30>> they they formulate these beliefs, and
40:32so if you want to say, you know, it's
40:33like that's why in the media they say
40:35teens rioting. Well, we all know they're
40:37black teens, right? But but but they but
40:41they can't say black teens because
40:44that's unpalatable for a lot of people.
40:46We're very worried about how people will
40:48feel instead of being honest about the
40:49nature of the problem.
40:50>> Which then, by the way, makes the
40:51problem worse because then you can't
40:53even address who where the problem's
40:55coming from, so you put in policies that
40:57have nothing to do with what the
40:59original issue was.
41:01>> Yeah, and my friend Matt Thornton in The
41:03Gift of Violence wrote that
41:05um and he's spoken about this, if you
41:08really did care care about young dead
41:10black men, you'd speak honestly about
41:12young dead black men um about black men
41:14killing un other black men.
41:16>> In Chicago.
41:17>> Right. So it's yeah, so it's just verbal
41:19behavior. You don't give a about
41:21our black kids our black youth being
41:23being murdered by each other. So
41:26people don't really think through the
41:28problems because
41:30you need a certain tool set to think
41:31through the problem. That's not the
41:32issue. The issue is you need a kind of
41:34disposition to override what you think a
41:38moral person should believe and just
41:40look at the evidence. Like what is the
41:41evidence and then use that evidence to
41:44form your beliefs, but nobody does that.
41:46>> Okay, so if we've got a whole bunch of
41:48people watching this right now, looking
41:50at their passports, checking those
41:53uh expiration dates, seeing what's going
41:55on in Argentina, etc., what would you
41:57say to the average American as we are
42:00now, you know, 3-4 days out from these
42:02midterms that everyone says it's the
42:03most important election of all time, but
42:05to me this is the the most
42:06transformational midterm election that
42:09well we have ever had. You just turned
42:1060, I just turned 50. I I'm fairly
42:12certain you'll agree with me.
42:14>> Happy birthday, bro.
42:15Um so a few things. [clears throat] I
42:18run a I run a non-profit
42:19>> Yeah, I think you were invited to a
42:19dinner. It was back in June. You but
42:21you're a busy guy.
42:22>> Yeah, I I well I I was out of the
42:23country.
42:24Um so a few things. I run a small
42:26non-profit, so I can't endorse
42:28candidates. That's illegal for me. I run
42:31a 501c3,
42:33but I can say you have to ask yourself
42:36what kind of country you want to live
42:37in. If you look at data, the number one
42:41factor that influences who people vote
42:44for, what party they vote for, is
42:46whether or not they receive their news
42:48from the legacy media
42:49>> [snorts]
42:49>> and what their trust is from the legacy
42:51media. So, Democrats receive their news
42:54by and large from the legacy media and
42:57Republicans are distrustful and do not
42:59receive their news from the legacy
43:00media. So,
43:02I do think that there is I don't want to
43:04say it's a conspiracy, but I do think
43:06that there are certain narratives that
43:07run through legacy media about
43:10immigration, about ICE, and those
43:13narratives come about because those the
43:15the people who are in those newsrooms
43:18and in those news departments are
43:19themselves epistemic victims of the
43:21university system. When they get their
43:23journalistic degrees or what have you,
43:25they leave, they've already been
43:26indoctrinated. So,
43:27I think we have to have an honest
43:29conversation about immigration, who
43:31we're going to take in. I think, for
43:32example, in Minnesota, you have to have
43:35an honest conversation about are all
43:37cultures equal? Are some immigrants more
43:40vibrant than others? Are are the
43:42contributions of some immigrants
43:45can't remember the mayor's name in
43:46Minneapolis.
43:47>> J- Jacob Frey.
43:49Oh, what a what a what a absolute clown.
43:53>> Oh my goodness. I mean, he is
43:56I'm not endorsing him or whatever.
43:58[laughter]
43:59>> You Well, you're definitely not
44:00endorsing him.
44:03>> I'm not commenting on whether or not So,
44:05I should probably not finish that st-
44:07statement.
44:08>> But so how But Okay, so all of that
44:10being said, how worried are you about
44:12the United States? I mean, my argument
44:13around this is even if even if the
44:15midterms go the wrong way, we still have
44:18defenses in the United States, we have
44:19states' rights, we have guns, we are a
44:22country born in revolution, our melting
44:26pot still has works basically where
44:29Europe never had it, so we don't hate
44:31our neighbor the way they do or as as or
44:33as suspicious. But all of that being
44:35said, I I can paint you a zillion ways
44:37why, particularly in the cities, none of
44:39this will work anymore. So, where if if
44:41your if your alarm level is 10 out of 10
44:43for Western Europe, where is it for
44:45America?
44:46>> Well, my alarm level isn't 10 out of 10
44:48for Western Europe. Europe is Western
44:50Europe is dead. It's
44:50>> All right, you're you're The alarm
44:52broke. You got You got goo all over the
44:53place, okay.
44:54>> So, I'm not I'm not worried about the
44:56United States, but I am concerned. I'm
44:59concerned about
45:02Boy, I'm concerned about a lot of
45:03things. Certainly, if we didn't you
45:04know, the the rift between Musk and
45:05Trump was primarily over the the big
45:08beautiful bill and the $3 trillion it
45:09added to the debt. Certainly, if we were
45:11not in as much debt, we could better
45:13address some of these problems. But,
45:15remember the type of immigrants that we
45:17receive in the United States
45:19uh assimilate specifically I'm talking
45:21about Muslim immigrants. They assimilate
45:22far better and are less radical than the
45:24type of immigrants that they with
45:27640,000 Syrians taken in by Germany
45:30Merkel let in and
45:32uh Tony Blair has had a a catastrophe
45:34when when he was the PM of the UK.
45:36>> Sure, but we also don't know who's here.
45:38Like, some of them do integrate better,
45:39that's true. But, we have no idea who
45:41came in under Biden, period. We just
45:42don't know.
45:43>> No, I mean, look. So, so let let's even
45:46take a step back from there.
45:48You have to know at a basic level if the
45:52person coming into your country is a
45:53mass murderer or not.
45:55You you you have to know
45:57>> You radical.
45:58>> if they're a pedophile, a rapist.
46:01And saying that that you do not need to
46:04know that that's not a right position or
46:06a left position. You saying that you do
46:08not need to know if the vet people who
46:11come into your country to know if
46:12they're mass murderers, you're insane.
46:14That's insane. That's like a
46:16crazy person talking. So,
46:19immigration is obviously a key thing
46:21that we need to have an honest
46:22conversation about. But, again, I think
46:24we can add that to the list of things
46:26we're not ready to have honest
46:27conversations about. So, I think you you
46:31So, no, I'm not I'm not worried. I am
46:33concerned. I see what's happening in
46:37certain Democratic cities. I see what's
46:41happening in, for example, the homicide
46:43rate. What is it? 29 Let's fact check me
46:46on this. 29 of 30 of the cities with the
46:48largest homicide rates have Democratic
46:50mayors. I'm concerned It might be 28,
46:53but you fact check me on that. I'm I am
46:54concerned about the
46:57um fact that we have to become
47:00increasingly
47:02um
47:03we
47:04we're not allowed to criticize certain
47:05things as it as it spills into the
47:08sphere of how people interpret religious
47:11structures in our societies. So, you
47:14know, when you go to the Middle East,
47:15you never really see people praying on
47:18mats in you know, in
47:20public public spaces like the way they
47:22do in
47:22>> yeah.
47:23>> And when we were in in in the UK, I
47:25mean, we didn't see any of that in
47:26Taiwan. We didn't see any of that. But
47:28when we were in the UK, we we saw people
47:31praying on mats in out in front of
47:34churches.
47:35>> It's a sign of progress.
47:36>> I just I just
47:39I just saw that and I'm like, there are
47:41a million places for you to pray. Do you
47:43really have to pray?
47:45And I'm not saying this cuz I'm some
47:47kind of like uber Christian. I'm I'm an
47:49atheist. I'm just saying that I just do
47:52not think that that is a good step for
47:54social cohesion. And it's not respectful
47:57of the religion.
47:58>> Right. All right. Well, Pete, we're
47:59we're going to you're obviously welcome
48:00back anytime. Unfortunately, we have to
48:02cut it there, but next time we should
48:04also further discuss something we've
48:05bounced around a little bit over the
48:07years, which is that as an atheist, you
48:09know, in some ways you found yourself in
48:11common cause with so many of these
48:13countries like Hungary that was really
48:15trying to preserve its Christian culture
48:17because that ends up being the most
48:19tolerant of all cultures. But we'll
48:21leave that there, Pete, in your
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