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0:01- Hey guys. This is a quick public service announcement
0:02before my interview with David Horowitz.
0:04David Horowitz actually said a couple lines
0:07that we are being forced to censor
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0:45(tongue clicking)
0:47- People go along with the crowd, it's survival.
0:51It's very, when I was 35 and left the left
0:54I lost every friend that I had in life.
0:59I had to start all over again.
1:01When that happened it seemed impossible.
1:04But I've had a good life afterwards, so it's possible.
1:07But I think most people
1:08are just afraid of losing their friends.
1:11That's pretty much...
1:12And that's why the left is so vicious
1:15in the way it characterizes its opponents.
1:20Because of that it keeps everybody in line.
1:23They don't want to be called racist
1:24and white supremacist and all that.
1:27(intro music)
1:34I'm Dave Rubin and joining is the original,
1:37why I left the left guy
1:40as well as the author of around 20 books.
1:42I couldn't even figure out how many.
1:44Including his most recent,
1:45The Enemy Within: How a Totalitarian Movement
1:49is Destroying America.
1:50David Horowitz, welcome back to the Rubin Report.
1:53- Thanks for having me, Dave.
1:55- Glad to have you back on.
1:57So first off, you've written at least 20 books.
1:59I mean, do you even know at this point?
2:02- No. I actually don't. But it's like that.
2:06I've written like four in the last two years.
2:09- Yeah. You are a prolific writer.
2:11I have many of your books on my shelf.
2:14But let's quickly, before we get into the new book,
2:16and you've predicted, I mean, you really have been right
2:19about so much.
2:20And I wonder if that makes you feel good or depressed.
2:24But before I do anything else,
2:25you sort of are the original, why I left the left guy.
2:28For people that haven't seen our original interview,
2:30we'll link to it down below.
2:32But you sort of 30 years before me, made that move.
2:38I suspect you feel pretty good about it
2:40after coming from a family that was communist and socialist
2:43and being a lefties and then finally Reagan broke ya.
2:46And here ya are.
2:47- It's hard to feel good about being right about
2:50such terrible things that have happened to our country.
2:53Yeah, I was raised by communists.
2:55I was the editor of the largest magazine in the new left.
3:01And I left the left when I realized, as you did eventually,
3:06that it's not about peace and justice.
3:09It's a hate America left.
3:11These people are, they're totalitarians.
3:15They want to control every aspect of your life
3:17down to the pronouns.
3:20And that makes them very, very dangerous.
3:24It's a crypto religion, as I've said for a long time.
3:29They believe in a redemption
3:30but they think the redeemers can be politicians.
3:34Please. There can never be a world that's just
3:39because it's made up of people who are the problem.
3:44It's the perception of...
3:46The whole, our whole saga is told in genesis in the bible
3:50A had paradise was better than the green new deal
3:55but there was only one thing you had to do
3:57to stay in paradise
3:59and that was not to want to do evil.
4:02It's mind boggling to me because of the..
4:05You have all this live television,
4:07these television shows about murders,
4:10about how terrible people are.
4:12If they just showed you the cruelty to animals
4:15that people are capable of, you could never believe
4:18in a world redeemed by radicals or any mortals.
4:25- Yeah, well I suspect that the mortals
4:27on the cover of this book
4:28are not the mortals that you think are going to get us
4:31to redemption. I mean this is a...
4:33This is pretty much all of the bad guys right here.
4:39- That's the favorite part of my contribution to the book.
4:42I designed that cover.
4:44- There you go. You designed the cover with the head shots,
4:46with the head shots of some radicals.
4:48Do you believe, is it your position,
4:51that they all are equally radical?
4:53Like is the Ilhan Omar, say AOC,
4:57Ayanna Pressley thing, or Rashida Tlaib thing,
4:59is that as, is it that more radical
5:02than say, Pelosi, Shumer, Biden
5:04or is it all just the same thing at this point?
5:05- The thing in the left and that
5:07is there are very few serious people.
5:13We're living on so much misinformation and ignorance,
5:18so I think people go along with the crowd, it's survival.
5:23It's very...
5:24When I was 35 and left the left,
5:26I lost every friend that I had in life
5:31and I had to start all over again.
5:33When that happened, it seemed impossible.
5:36But I've had a good life afterwards, so it's possible.
5:39But I think most people are just afraid
5:42of losing their friends.
5:43That's pretty much...
5:45And that's why the left is so vicious
5:48in the way it characterizes its opponents.
5:53Because of that it keeps everybody in line.
5:55They don't want to be called racist
5:57and white supremacist and all that.
6:01I think we're, the sad reality
6:04is that we're in the early stages of fascist state,
6:08and I use that word advisedly.
6:11If you think of the...
6:13I just lost a friend of 70 years, Ron (indistinct)
6:16I actually wrote a story about it.
6:19Because I questioned the election results in 2020,
6:23I lose a friend of 70 years?
6:26When there's all of these irregularities that are obvious.
6:29And when nobody has done an audit of the election
6:32and when the democrats have challenged
6:35every republican presidential victory
6:38since 2000,
6:392000, 2004,
6:41and of course, the Trump election.
6:43And then if you look what happened on January 6th,
6:46this is the great crime of conservatives.
6:50First of all, Trump's speech basically...
6:55Not basically, literally in so many words he said,
6:58"I want you to protest peacefully and patriotically,
7:02I want you to stiffen the spines of weak republicans
7:06who are afraid to challenge this election result,
7:13and if you fail," he said, "then what you must do
7:15is go home and primary them."
7:18You can't imagine a more democratic, peaceful
7:22statement than that.
7:24Okay, so those people went and for whatever reason,
7:28some of them got out of control
7:30and the crime they've been charged,
7:32actually charged with, is trespassing.
7:36There are people who are still in jail.
7:38It's now five months, held without bail
7:42for trespassing.
7:44And what was the democrats reaction?
7:46They called it an armed insurrection
7:48even though there was not a single arm confiscated.
7:51- Zero, zero.
7:53- It was actually a fairly peaceful protest
7:56when you think about everything that happened
7:58all summer with democrat support.
8:00They didn't burn the capital,
8:02they didn't destroy a lot of things
8:06and the only person who was murdered, that was killed,
8:09was a Trump supporter.
8:11And her murderer is protected by Pelosi.
8:15We still don't know his name and he's not...
8:17There are not going to be any charges.
8:19And it was videoed by a journalist
8:21who's showing that she was completely non threatening.
8:25She was unarmed, she's small and she was threatening nobody
8:29when she was killed.
8:32That journalist, Hispanic, is in jail
8:36for being there and being a journalist.
8:39If this isn't fascism, I don't know what is.
8:42But it's worse than that because Pelosi,
8:45remember she said republicans are enemies of the state.
8:50And remember the democrats, the leftest,
8:53the far left of the democrat,
8:54which is a pretty dominant (indistinct)
8:58called for the expulsion, actually of 100 republicans
9:01from the house for questioning the election.
9:04Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz were singled out
9:06by the democrat leadership to be removed from the senate
9:10because they questioned an election.
9:12When the democrats have done this every election
9:15in recent memory.
9:16- Hilary Clinton still has a tweet up right now
9:19about the illegitimate presidency of Donald Trump
9:22- Yeah, exactly. They never accepted Trump.
9:26Yet, this is supposed to be a threat
9:28to our democracy that you raise.
9:31And anybody who's looked at the evidence knows
9:33that there were humongous irregularities,
9:37to put a nice term on it, during the election.
9:41But then Nancy Pelosi orders 25,000 troops
9:45into the capital at a cost of half a billion dollars
9:48for a nonexistent, non specified threat.
9:53What is that but to send a message to conservatives
9:56that they're gunning for us?
9:58Then the head of the military orders a two month stand down
10:02to conduct a witch hunt of so called extremists
10:06in the military, then in the capital police,
10:08then in the homeland security.
10:10Then the justice department announces there's...
10:14Going to allocate $89 million to investigate extremists,
10:19I mean, conservatives all over the country.
10:22It's so reminiscent of the Reichstag fire.
10:26Hitler was elected in a democracy, the Weimar republic.
10:31He was elected chancellor.
10:34He gets into power and the first thing the Nazis do
10:37is they burn down their own capital, called the Reichstag,
10:41blame it on a Dutch communist
10:43and pass a Reichstag fire act to criminalize descent,
10:53which is what the democrats have been doing
10:54ever since Donald Trump was elected.
10:57Criminalize descent and established the Third Reich.
11:02You know what? One thing that my book,
11:04The Enemy Within does, is I document,
11:07if you look at the democrat's agenda
11:10it's not about getting rid of Trump,
11:12it's not about winning an election,
11:14it's about establishing a one party state.
11:17Stack the Supreme Court,
11:19that's to abolish the independent judiciary.
11:22Abolish the electoral college,
11:25which was designed to force presidential candidates
11:29to compete in ballot round states
11:31where they didn't have a majority,
11:33thus force them to compromise our whole system,
11:36is built on compromise.
11:38That's why we've only have one civil war
11:41and no successful coup d'etat.
11:45The democrat program is a fascist program.
11:50There is nobody...
11:52The only republicans who are legitimate
11:56are those, you know like Liz Cheney.
11:59- Right, they love Liz Cheney now because she's a pet.
12:02So, you lay all of this out in the book.
12:06It's quite extraordinary actually, and as I said,
12:07you've been right about a lot of stuff
12:09way before a lot of people.
12:11So what do you think the average conservative,
12:15and I now use that term in a broad sense.
12:18If you believe America is good,
12:20you're a conservative as far as I'm concerned.
12:22What do you think the average conservative
12:24can do to fight this
12:25because it feels like the deck is
12:27completely stacked against us?
12:30- Republican conservatives have been asleep for 50 years
12:33while the democrats have taken over our culture.
12:37I wrote five books on the universities,
12:39that of one of them people paid a little attention to.
12:43But the republican...
12:44And I organized academic freedom campaigns
12:48and I got no real support out of the republican party.
12:52But between Obama and, I all him the (indistinct)
13:01and Biden, one of the nastiest human beings on the planet.
13:05I don't know how he gets this reputation
13:07for being a nice guy.
13:11They've begun to wake people up.
13:13And Donald Trump has given our country
13:17and patriots a great gift.
13:19And this is, he has created the first
13:22mass conservative movement in our history.
13:26When I came into the right in the mid 80s,
13:2940 years ago now,
13:31I looked around and said, "Where's the ground army?"
13:34And all my ex comrades on the left are at awe.
13:38They had 100 organizations, or 200,
13:41to harass, and threaten, and defame
13:45politicians until they got on their...
13:48Into their program and corporations.
13:50Why are corporations involved?
13:54Corporations are basically cowards.
13:57They don't want to lose customers, that's their bottom line.
14:01But if you harass them enough, they will respond.
14:06And it's interesting already, the backlash has caused them
14:10Disney just pulled back its racist program.
14:17I long to see people get in the face
14:21of teachers, of principals, of superintendents,
14:24of schools, of school boards
14:27who are indoctrinating their children
14:28and hate America, garbage.
14:31And you know, we're so backward,
14:33I've been watching FOX and they're talking about
14:36the 1619 project, and they're talking about the 20 slaves.
14:42There weren't slaves.
14:43I mean, I've read Neil Painter,
14:44who's a black leftist Princeton historian
14:47on this subject. They were indentured servants.
14:50And slavery was actually outlawed Virginia in 1619.
14:56And Virginia wasn't America in 1619.
14:59It was a British colony.
15:01And this is supposed to be our founding
15:04according to these liars,
15:06and yet if you look at FOX, they're not saying...
15:10They don't know the facts.
15:11- Right. To be clear, we were not a nation
15:13till about 150 years later.
15:15So, the idea that the nation was founded
15:17on something that happened 150 before,
15:19when everyone was dead, seemed a little odd.
15:23- Just terrible.
15:24- So, what does the future...
15:27- I want to see a sit in at the headquarters of Twitter
15:31announcing their censorship, embarrassing them.
15:35That's what's really needed.
15:36And I see the stirrings of it all over the place.
15:41There are people organize...
15:42Particularly, in the schools and that gives me hope.
15:47- Do you think though that, since you brought up Twitter,
15:49that the big tech part of this
15:51is the part that makes the asymmetry so out of wack?
15:54It would be one thing if it was slightly out of wack,
15:56but now, the way we get information is so tilted
16:00that people can't coordinate properly
16:03or can't even get the information properly
16:05or agree on what's true.
16:06- Change is coming.
16:08The one thing about tech is it's always changing.
16:14What's it called? Sub stack, already is a media outlet
16:17that has a lot of people who are
16:20second thoughters like you on it,
16:24people who have impeccable leftist credentials
16:27who are really upset about the cancel culture.
16:30And just the terms we use; cancel culture.
16:33It's book burning, it's what the Nazi's did in the 30s
16:37You can't just burn books today
16:39because you've got a digital universe that you can't burn.
16:42But that's what it is
16:44and I would like to see people,
16:46I mean, I know that I'm not making myself popular
16:49by referring to the Biden administration as fascist,
16:52but technically, that's what it is.
16:55And I tell you, if we don't stop them,
16:58they will put us in reeducation camps.
17:00They've already telegraphed that.
17:03That conservatives are (indistinct) racists
17:06who have to be reprogrammed.
17:08- You think, do we get to share a gulag as the YLFLF guys?
17:11That would be nice.
17:14- That's very probable.
17:16- Very probable, great.
17:17- (indistinct)
17:24and that book really moved me at the time.
17:26- Yeah, well, you know I toured with Jordan Peterson
17:28and he often brought up the Gulag Acapella
17:31for the same reason .
17:33- Thank my lucky stars for Jordan Peterson.
17:36Otherwise I would be feeling guilty
17:38about all the things I wasn't writing.
17:44one part I would like to mention
17:46is the chapter on, or chapters on the black list
17:51very, very serious.
17:53I'm not going to name the outlet but I wrote this article
17:58about how Ron (indistinct) had joined the fascists
18:02and slipped a knife between my ribs.
18:05- I've got the piece right here.
18:08- I tried to place it with a very prominent conservative
18:15media site but they're also on Facebook.
18:20You know, if you're a big media site,
18:21you got to be on all the platforms.
18:23And they said that Facebook would just close it down
18:29if it appeared there.
18:32People have to understand, we are in the early stages
18:35of a fascist state. We do not...
18:37America is no longer a free country.
18:41Its freedom is hard won by courageous people like yourself
18:45who are willing to stand up and take the slings and arrows.
18:51- So what do we do then? We can sit in at Twitter.
18:54I know you're a fighter.
18:55You've been doing this for a long time.
18:57What do we really do?
18:59Is Trump the only thing that can save us?
19:01Do we need the return of Trump to lead the republicans?
19:04It ain't going to be Liz Cheney.
19:06- Here's what I think about Trump.
19:09People are talking about Ron DeSantis, whom I admire,
19:12and in my black list story, I tell how they used
19:16First, they called me a notorious racist,
19:19then because he spoke at my events, they used that,
19:23and when I say they,
19:24I'm talking about the so called liberal media,
19:28New York Magazine, Washington Post,
19:31used that to try to taint him and destroy him.
19:35And he has a delivery which a lot of people think
19:39is more user friendly, shall we say than Trump's
19:46and I hope he's on the ticket, actually.
19:49But the reason that I believe that Trump is
19:53bound to be the leader, is
19:56(bleep)
20:01He got 75 million votes, despite four years
20:06of unbelievable slander and lies direct to him
20:09and no credit for what he had done.
20:13But I think ordinary Americans, patriotic Americans,
20:16see this guy as someone, here he was, a billionaire
20:21living the life and he put himself and his family
20:25through all this to save the country, basically.
20:31I mean, those credentials are golden
20:34you really can't beat them.
20:37And I think his aggression is necessary.
20:40The reason the democrats hate him
20:41is because he called them out.
20:44Called them out as racist
20:45for their control of the inner cities.
20:49Called them out for their betrayal of the...
20:52I will say, as somebody who's been in politics 50, 60 years,
20:57I had no idea that they were selling us out
20:59in trade deals the way they were.
21:03I mean, it's Bush, Clinton, Obama.
21:10Either they were too lazy to cut decent deals for Americans
21:15or they just didn't care about fleecing our country
21:19for Chinese communists,
21:21they're genocidal dictators, for crying out tears.
21:27- Do you think that that's what it really is?
21:28That in many ways, just we've gone through
21:29several generations at this point,
21:31or at least several decades,
21:33of just leadership and an institutional elite
21:35that has sold us out at every level
21:38so there almost isn't enough of what is American left
21:41to defend the documents that freed all of us?
21:45- Well, we have to have a leader who fights
21:48and that's Trump.
21:50What American would blow up the Southern border
21:54in the middle of a global pandemic
21:56with new viruses or variants, as they call them
22:00are appearing all the time?
22:03Biden has just let 100,000 COVID carriers
22:07into the country, which shows what a liar he is
22:10every time he's accused Trump of killing
22:13corona virus patients.
22:15He's killing them, he's killing Americans.
22:19The child abuse epic on the border.
22:24It's just unreal, and the denial of reality..
22:29This is the norm. It's not the norm.
22:34It's like 20 times whatever...
22:36I forget the actual statistics.
22:38But they're humongous in terms of the
22:42deterioration of the country.
22:45The amount of criminals who are being left in,
22:47the amount of people who have not pledged allegiance
22:51to our society. America is unique.
22:56It's our culture, something leftists never understand.
22:59Culture determines things.
23:02How is it that Japan, which has no natural resources,
23:06is a first world country?
23:09Mexico, which has oil,
23:11which has had it's independence for 100 years or whatever,
23:18is flooding refugees into America.
23:23What's the difference between Japan and Mexico?
23:27It's all about culture,
23:28and America had a great culture
23:30which is being systemically dismantled by the democrats.
23:37- So, as someone that gets this, and as I said
23:41you've been right on so much of this way earlier
23:43but you're still now, you're losing friends
23:45that are, that you've had for 70 years.
23:50People ask me this,
23:51maybe you have a better answer than I have.
23:54If someone's kind of wavering right now
23:55and they're kind of waking up to some of this stuff,
23:57because I think a lot of people are.
23:59I think people are shocked at how horrific
24:00the Biden administration has been
24:02and how out of control wokeism is.
24:06What's the move that you've made
24:08to really help people wake up?
24:10Beyond just handing them facts, I mean that,
24:12we know that that doesn't always work.
24:15- I mean, this book has a lot about the race issue
24:17and the way they deploy racism and sexism as weapons.
24:25I think the biggest thing is
24:28if somebody is truly in transition,
24:32it means they're reading and thinking
24:34or listening and thinking.
24:38My friend, or former friend (indistinct).
24:41It's been three years, I could not ever get him
24:44I would write an email and we had all kinds of ground rules
24:48to protect our egos or what have you.
24:51Couldn't get him to consider a single argument.
24:54I said in my book, I'm (indistinct)
24:57I said in the manuscript of this book, The Enemy Within
25:03and in the article that Ian Stern wrote
25:05for the new republic, there's no a singe argument
25:08that I give that's engaged.
25:11(bleep)
25:19- You're trying to get me booted from YouTube.
25:26- I try to think about those things.
25:28I try never to get people into situations
25:32that they can't handle, but I know that you can handle it.
25:37- Thanks David.
25:39- I can't clip my wings.
25:41- Fair enough. I don't bring you on to clip your wings.
25:43And I'll deal with those guys.
25:45- Everything rests on creating or energizing
25:49this mass movement and directing it to protest this.
25:52Taking back the congress, dealing with the tech companies.
25:59Trump was in power for four years.
26:00It's like republicans said for a decade,
26:03they said they're going to repeal and replace
26:06Obama care and they never did.
26:09That's the huge...
26:11Conservatives are always complaining about the media,
26:13which is fair. It's a lying, disgusting media.
26:17I'm racist, seeing CNN. They're just filled with liars
26:22and racists, and not to mention MSNBC.
26:26But the real problem is the politeness of conservatives.
26:32Conservatives are being called white supremacists,
26:34white nationalists, traitors, enemies of the state,
26:40insurrections actually.
26:44And what do republicans call democrats? Liberals.
26:47(Rubin laughs)
26:50- We can't win that war. We're the only liberals
26:53and the only people in this country who want to hear
26:56two sides to a conversation are conservatives.
27:00And you know that all you have to do is turn on FOX
27:04Or News Max, the conservative media,
27:07They're always entertaining the other side
27:10because I think conservatives are confident
27:12we can win the arguments, we're not afraid of them.
27:15And if we're wrong, we're capable
27:17of changing our views on a subject.
27:19- David, defending my liberal beliefs
27:22has become a conservative position.
27:24It's always a pleasure talking to you
27:26because I love the fact that people,
27:28people did this before me and people will do this after me
27:32and I appreciate all the fight, and I...
27:35You fled California, so you left me here.
27:38So I hope to see you one of these days
27:40but I'm guessing it's not because you're coming back here.
27:43- No, you'll be on your way to Florida
27:45or some other (indistinct) Texas
27:47and you can stop on the way and visit me.
27:51- The book is Enemy Within. Thank you so much, David.
27:55- We'll see each other again on your podcast
27:58because I got another book coming out in the fall
28:00- Naturally. I will gladly have you on.
28:02Thank you, my friend.
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