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0:00You got to do more Kegels.
0:01>> Do I need to do Kegels? Is that what you
0:03mean?
0:03>> do Kegels, man. You can start right now.
0:05Do some Kegels right now. It's easy.
0:09No one has to know you're doing it,
0:10either. I could be doing it right now,
0:11for all you know.
0:12>> Ooh. How do you do a Kegel?
0:15Mhm.
0:19Come on. Please.
0:21>> Feels incredible. [laughter]
0:28>> Here it goes. Welcome to Forehead
0:30Fables. That's a pretty good start,
0:31right?
0:32>> Um
0:33>> Seems like an introduction, almost.
0:35>> Wilbur Soot. Should I call you Wilbur
0:38Soot? Is that your actual Is that like a
0:40moniker you go by?
0:42>> Call me what you like. I don't mind.
0:44>> Call me Will. Call me Will. Why not?
0:46Come on, that's my That's my real name.
0:47>> Our guest, Will. Return guest. Last time
0:49you were here was I looked at it 6 years
0:51ago.
0:53Wasn't it 6? I think it was 6.
0:54>> Yeah, I think so. That sounds about
0:55right.
0:56>> No, it'll be longer. It was before
0:57COVID.
0:59>> I think that'd be about 6 years. I think
1:01it was like 2019.
1:03I think. Yeah.
1:04And
1:06and then now you come back
1:086 years later.
1:10>> back.
1:11>> Mhm. Another
1:12>> Well, well, well. [laughter]
1:14>> follow-up guest appearance.
1:16And uh
1:17>> It's good to be back.
1:18>> Yeah. You've had a pretty long, storied
1:21career since you last came on here. In
1:24fact, the first thing you said to me
1:26when you messaged me back was "Sorry I
1:29ghosted you on Twitter a couple years
1:30ago." Cuz you got so popular, you were
1:32like,
1:34"I'm above ever talking to that [ __ ]
1:35guy again."
1:36>> That's [clears throat] not true, Sam.
1:38And you know that. You're being
1:39facetious.
1:40>> that's not true, and yet it did happen.
1:44>> It did happen, but not for the reasons
1:46you're opining, you
1:48you you bastard.
1:50>> [laughter]
1:50>> You bastard.
1:51>> Yeah.
1:52>> I wish I had a reason.
1:52>> my back. That's why we put you in the
1:54middle. You're in the [ __ ] hot seat
1:56right now.
1:57>> You ever You ever like
1:59like forget to respond to a message and
2:01then like a week's passed and you're
2:03like, "It's actually more rude to
2:05respond now than to just never say
2:08anything again."
2:09>> Yeah. Yeah, so the nicest option was to
2:12just never answer me for years.
2:15That does seem actually better.
2:16>> reached out again. You never reached out
2:18again. I think the last thing I said
2:19>> Oh, oh, I'm sorry. So, you wanted me to
2:21just keep piling messages on?
2:23>> [laughter]
2:24>> Maybe he'll answer me.
2:26>> it.
2:27>> Yeah.
2:28Well, I
2:29I know I what I do is I get a message
2:31and I look at it and like usually my
2:33kids are going like, "Dad, look at this
2:34drawing. Dad, look at this drawing." And
2:35Abby's like, "Honey, you need to like do
2:37this or that." And I'm and I go, "I
2:39don't have like the time to give this as
2:42genuine of a response as needed, you
2:45know?"
2:46Like I I feel like the response requires
2:49me
2:50to actually sit down and like write
2:51something well thought out and I don't
2:53have the time right now. So, I walk away
2:55from it and then I forget to ever circle
2:57back around. And so, when you didn't
2:59answer me, instead of crying,
3:01I said, "Maybe he's up to something, you
3:03know? Maybe he's something's really
3:04important that he's doing that's way
3:06more important than answering me for
3:07years."
3:08>> I was scheming.
3:10>> Yeah.
3:11Well,
3:11>> But I'm here now.
3:13>> That's good.
3:14>> I found my way home like a pigeon.
3:16>> Yeah.
3:17What have you been sinking your teeth
3:19into for the last couple years?
3:21>> I've been
3:23in a band called Love Joy.
3:26Been traveling around. I've been Been to
3:28your state.
3:29Been to Florida.
3:31>> Yeah, you You told me you did a full
3:33[ __ ] American tour.
3:35>> Yeah, a couple.
3:36Done about three since you last spoke to
3:38me.
3:39I've been uh I've been around Europe. I
3:42started a geography channel. Started
3:44doing like geography videos recently.
3:46That's my That's my newest venture.
3:48I did I uploaded a video recently where
3:50I hired 50 psychics and got them all to
3:53predict my future and then compared what
3:56they all said.
3:57>> Were they accurate? What was your
3:58outlook?
4:00>> Oh, man. Not great.
4:02>> [laughter]
4:03>> You will be on a really prestigious
4:05podcast.
4:06>> [laughter]
4:09>> No, they were they all said that
4:11they all said I was going to struggle.
4:13That was the number one. They all said
4:15it's time First will come the struggle.
4:18Then will come wealth.
4:20And then will come success in that
4:22order. They all of them said pretty
4:24much.
4:25>> Did you give them time to Google your
4:26name before they did the
4:29before they did the [ __ ] psychic
4:31evaluations or whatever?
4:32>> come great controversy.
4:34>> Yeah.
4:35>> [laughter]
4:35>> Yeah.
4:35>> Well,
4:36>> They didn't know who I was.
4:37>> First you'll be like a social pariah and
4:40then you might claw your way back
4:44through years of dedicated good boy
4:47service to the world.
4:48>> by that point I'll be 60 60 years old
4:51and I can finally die.
4:53>> Well, it's interesting wealth before
4:55success.
4:56>> Yeah, I know.
4:57>> Yeah, that's true. Would you rather have
4:59wealth or success?
5:02>> Uh,
5:03don't know.
5:04They're both kind of pointless,
5:06you know, eventually.
5:07>> Correct answer is wealth.
5:09>> I was I was going to say I feel like for
5:11most people those two things are
5:14innately tied together.
5:16>> Yeah.
5:17>> Uh, maybe in American.
5:19>> Would you rather have food or be full?
5:21That's like
5:22>> Well, when you say wealth, do you just
5:24mean like money in general or do you
5:25mean like could be wealthy? Like that's
5:27the
5:28>> Like a Bob Marley sense of wealth or
5:30like monetary wealth. I'd say like
5:32money.
5:34>> Emotional wealth.
5:36>> Uh,
5:38Yeah, that's more like wealth.
5:39>> I was thinking wealth would be like you
5:41don't have to worry about bills.
5:42>> Like Scrooge McDuck.
5:44>> Yeah, and in the future you know, you
5:46don't have to
5:47Yeah, like when you're when you even at
5:49like my age now I wouldn't go like when
5:51I'm 65 of course I'm not going to have
5:53to worry about a a bill, you know, I
5:55don't there's no like financial problems
5:58ever in my future.
6:00That would be what I would consider
6:02wealth.
6:03>> And then you'll be successful according
6:05to the psychics.
6:07>> I No, no, I think I think you could be
6:09incredibly wealthy and then not
6:11successful at the same time.
6:13>> Oh, yeah, but the psychics would back to
6:15differ apparently cuz they were all like
6:17I I just basically I came to the
6:19conclusion they were just like reading
6:21off of the most famous story in the
6:23world which is the you know, the
6:25monomyth the hero's journey where it's
6:27like you know, that they go and get sage
6:29advice and then they go through a great
6:31trial and they come out the other side
6:33changed but great Yeah, literally Luke
6:35Skywalker. You got your Harry Potters
6:38and it's like
6:38>> [laughter]
6:39>> You're Being John Malkovich's.
6:41>> Yeah, yeah.
6:43I guess you can't they love them.
6:45>> He's not really a hero much uh
6:48>> Who? John Malkovich [clears throat] or
6:49>> No, um God what's the main character? Uh
6:53Come on help me out here.
6:54>> I forget his name too.
6:55>> Tub Time Machine. [laughter]
6:57>> Yeah.
6:57>> [clears throat]
6:57>> John Cusack.
6:58>> Yeah, John Cusack. Yeah.
7:00>> He's on uh
7:01Cameo.
7:03>> Pretty [laughter] sad.
7:05>> That's That's a prestigious place to be.
7:07One day I'd hope to be there.
7:09>> I think you know, I think it's a good
7:11last ditch.
7:12Yeah, we did an episode about Cameo and
7:14I got reached out by a Cameo rep. They
7:17were like people have been searching
7:18your name today.
7:20It was the day the episode came out.
7:22>> Oh, they wanted to do a Cameo?
7:24>> Well, they want they were like would you
7:25sign up?
7:28Not yet.
7:28>> Yeah, not [laughter] yet.
7:30>> Closer. I'm getting closer.
7:32>> What sucks is you have to You do have to
7:34sign up while people still give a [ __ ]
7:36about you. But you also don't want to
7:37sign up too early cuz then it's like
7:39this guy's washed up. He's on Cameo.
7:42And then there's some people that just
7:43very fine line.
7:44>> Yeah. Then there's like I think the only
7:46people that can get away with having a
7:48Cameo and still being successful are
7:51like the like the late night like club
7:54comedians that are just like traveling
7:56comedians.
7:57>> I think like character actors too that
7:59are like they're known for one role.
8:02>> Yeah.
8:02>> And then they do a Cameo as that guy.
8:05>> Yeah. That's cool.
8:07But I mean
8:07>> Dean Norris is one. Dean Norris does
8:09porn
8:09>> Yeah, I was just going
8:10>> Yeah, I was going to say like I feel
8:11like a lot of the Breaking Bad
8:14>> What does he got going on?
8:16>> porn gifts
8:18He was in the
8:20>> You know porn gifts?
8:21>> I did see that. What he tweet that?
8:23>> Yeah, he tweeted porn gifts. One of my
8:25favorite Dean Norris
8:26>> And then
8:27what I loved about it was then he was
8:29just like [ __ ] Like I guess I'm just
8:31keeping it up. [laughter] You know what
8:33I mean? Like most people would be like
8:35and then delete it, you know, but he was
8:37just like
8:38>> I said it.
8:39>> Yeah.
8:40You know what I'm about.
8:42>> [laughter]
8:44>> He's got no shame. I love it.
8:45>> He wanted us to comment porn gifts.
8:48>> [laughter]
8:48>> Porn gifts now.
8:49>> Reply with your best.
8:54>> It's also crazy to jerk off to a gif.
8:58>> Uh dude, that is the that is the most
9:00[ __ ] privileged young [ __ ] you've
9:02ever said in your life. [ __ ] you.
9:04>> I think it'd almost be better to
9:05>> I grew up jerking off to pictures, okay?
9:08First of all, pictures. Then the
9:10bandwidth got good enough that moving
9:12pictures, that was the gif era was there
9:15was years where that was cutting edge.
9:17Okay, so don't even come at me like oh
9:20you couldn't even who would jerk off to
9:22a gif?
9:22>> I'm just saying it's not like 1990.
9:27>> Oh yeah, but Dean Norris is old. So he
9:28probably
9:29>> Okay. So he's like he was still on
9:31pictures up until recently.
9:33>> Yeah.
9:34When he discovered yeah. I I wonder I
9:37bet you in the landfills, you know how
9:39they cut away the earth and they can see
9:41like oh, this is when like pottery was
9:43at its peak. I bet you the landfills
9:45they'll cut it like a big casserole and
9:47they'll there was just going to be a
9:49like a huge layer of like way more porno
9:51mags being thrown out than ever.
9:53>> It's going to mark it 10 minutes until
9:55porn talk and pretty [laughter] good
9:57honestly for us. Made it pretty far.
9:59>> Just because like the invention of the
10:00internet everybody like saw like moving
10:03video and [ __ ] and just went I don't
10:05need these magazines anymore. Chucked
10:07them. [clears throat] They went straight
10:08into the landfill.
10:09>> When that guy made the first video the
10:11horse running people are like holy [ __ ]
10:15I just got a million dollar idea.
10:17[laughter]
10:19Boobs bouncing.
10:21>> I wonder what the first porn movie is
10:24like porno film.
10:25>> French. Got to be French.
10:27>> Got to be French. 100% is French.
10:29>> You know and the amount of like light
10:31that those old cameras needed you know
10:33that was a stinky set. Oh my god. Had to
10:35be all stinky.
10:37>> Maybe they liked it. They were French.
10:39>> I would have paid to be in there. They
10:40were French?
10:42>> No, I'm saying maybe they liked the
10:43smell.
10:44>> Oh, yeah. They probably did. They closed
10:45the windows for sure.
10:47Keep that stench in. Damn, dude.
10:49>> Keep the stench in.
10:50>> Mhm.
10:52Yeah.
10:53So, you have your band and you do your
10:56touring.
10:57>> Yes.
10:57>> Um
10:59>> I think
11:00>> Now, there's the obvious elephant in the
11:01room.
11:02You haven't been in the gaming space
11:04recently.
11:05What's going on with that? What
11:06happened?
11:08>> Well, I don't know, man. I I was
11:10Minecraft boy. I loved my Minecraft and
11:13I still do love my Minecraft, honestly.
11:15It's It's good I haven't played it in a
11:16hot minute, but it's it's I didn't fall
11:18out of love with it. It's just I just I
11:21don't know. I I I basically
11:23was around 2023, I kind of said to
11:26myself that like video gaming was like a
11:30great format and I still watch loads of
11:32video game YouTube, but I just it it was
11:35no longer exciting me in the same way as
11:37like, you know, other ventures were. I
11:39was I was I was watching different
11:42stuff. I was kind of exploring different
11:44outlets and I was finding that actually
11:46gaming stuff was feeling a bit
11:47disingenuous. It was a bit like a means
11:49to an end and it's like I don't like
11:51doing things as a means to an end. So,
11:54>> But it is a great medium where you can
11:56just sit there and like
11:58if you have nothing to talk about,
11:59nothing to like nothing going on, you
12:01can just like riff while gaming easy.
12:04>> Yeah.
12:05>> Yeah.
12:05>> [clears throat]
12:05>> I still play like GeoGuessr on stream. I
12:08I do every stream I play a bit of
12:09GeoGuessr.
12:11Uh I got to master two rank on GeoGuessr
12:13recently. That was pretty good.
12:15>> Pretty good. That's pretty like light.
12:17That's I don't know. It's like gaming
12:19like I play a lot of solitaire or
12:21something.
12:22>> [laughter]
12:23>> Oh, is it?
12:24I don't know. GeoGuessr feels a bit more
12:26higher concept than solitaire.
12:28Like I I'm not just like I'm playing
12:30against other people. Like competitive
12:31GeoGuessr I'm talking here. Like I'm
12:33talking one-v-one.
12:34>> competitive GeoGuessr?
12:36>> Not like professionally, but yeah.
12:38>> Yeah.
12:39>> Have you ever done
12:40>> [clears throat]
12:40>> Where is this?
12:41>> No, I'm not on the spectrum. I don't
12:42play that [ __ ]
12:43>> [laughter]
12:45>> I'm not like have I mean I'm a little
12:46bit
12:47I'm a little bit. I have I had my my
12:50friend Hugo told me he's like there's
12:52cuz I I was like
12:53he said, "There's a weird trend of AD
12:57ADHD women marrying guys with autism."
13:01Cuz his wife is ADHD and he has autism
13:04and he was implying that
13:06you know, my wife has ADHD
13:08and that I have autism and I'm like
13:11I'm normal. What are you talking about?
13:13And he was like there's no way you have
13:15more than like 100 hours on Kenshi
13:17without being on the spectrum.
13:19And [clears throat] I was like, "You
13:20know what, dude? I did I did sit back a
13:22little bit." And I was like, "That's
13:24probably 100% true. I don't think
13:26anybody plays that game for any longer
13:27than like 20 hours
13:30without being at least like a little bit
13:32like uh
13:34you turn into a guy who was playing with
13:35like Warhammer figurines. You're like,
13:37"I'm going over here now and I'm going
13:38to I'm going to conquer and I'm going to
13:40add these people to my roster."
13:42>> Yeah.
13:43>> And you start dressing them up and
13:44everything.
13:46And I got really into it. So, maybe on
13:48the spectrum a little bit, but not
13:49enough to play GeoGuessr. That's a
13:51different type of on the spectrum.
13:52That's like Alan Turing level spectrum.
13:55>> Yeah.
13:56>> Yeah, that's it feels that everyone
13:57everyone who's got their sort of
13:59hyperfixation likes to think the other
14:01hyperfixations are more autistic than
14:03their one. So, to me Kenshi [laughter]
14:05is like way more autistic than
14:07GeoGuessr.
14:08>> That's just objectively wrong. Poob, get
14:09my back.
14:11>> Um
14:12wrong and [laughter]
14:14I kind of treat Sam but Sam's right, of
14:16course.
14:16>> Yeah.
14:18Well, we're Americans so we rely on
14:19democracy and we outnumber you right now
14:21so we're right.
14:23>> That is yeah, to be fair.
14:24>> That's how it works.
14:25>> Yeah, actually yeah, no you're right.
14:27I'm I'm autistic.
14:28>> if later a little bit of GeoGuessr, but
14:30out of respect for Sam, I
14:33I only paid paid for a subscription for
14:35like 1 month.
14:36>> You There's a subscription for
14:38GeoGuessr?
14:38>> I was playing with my friends and uh
14:42we were just having we were just bored.
14:44>> What the hell?
14:45>> It's not like that. I wasn't playing it
14:46seriously, [laughter]
14:47dude. Don't worry.
14:48>> You sound You sound like a lot No,
14:50seriously, guys. Like I promise. I
14:52>> [laughter]
14:52>> I didn't I wasn't playing it for too
14:53long.
14:54>> And it was pretty hard so
14:56>> Yeah.
14:57>> But when you get one really close, it
14:59does feel
15:01it's pretty good.
15:02>> Yeah.
15:03And I just love I love
15:05maps.
15:06Big map guy.
15:08Yeah.
15:09>> But your what's your favorite country
15:11you've been to since you've been on tour
15:12so much?
15:15>> Oh my god. What in what way? Like
15:19>> Well, I mean everybody views travel a
15:20different way. Some people love to go
15:22see cities and experience cultures. I
15:24mean, that's relative to you, but of the
15:26of the places you visited,
15:28which one were you like, that was a
15:29banger. That place rocked.
15:33>> I mean, Japan was sick. That was like
15:352024, we did a tour of Japan. We did
15:38Osaka, Tokyo. That was so cool. That was
15:41like I went on the bullet train. That
15:43was cool as [ __ ] Went and saw like the
15:45deer, you know the deer that bow to you.
15:48Seeing that all that [ __ ] That was
15:49really cool. I like Thailand. Thailand
15:51was really cool. Bangkok. That was fun.
15:54That was really That was the same tour.
15:56Uh
15:57Honestly though, I'm I'm This is going
15:58to You guys are going to laugh. You guys
16:00are going to make fun of me, but I'm the
16:01biggest Ameriboo
16:04you're going to meet.
16:06I'm obsessed with America. American
16:08culture, American history. I I wrote I
16:10wrote history papers on the Civil Rights
16:13Movement in America and the and sort of
16:15I can list every president of the United
16:18States. All right. So, my So, there it
16:20is. My favorite country to go to is the
16:22United States. I'm
16:23>> Who's your favorite president?
16:26>> Probably Lincoln. Easily.
16:27>> Lincoln, yeah. Yeah, he's he's hard to
16:29beat, dude. He's a top three.
16:32>> Wrong.
16:33>> Who's your least Who's your least?
16:36>> Oh, I mean, only the boring answers.
16:38Buchanan, you know. Johnson, Andrew
16:41Johnson.
16:41>> Harding.
16:43>> Harding?
16:44>> Yeah. Warren G. Harding.
16:46>> What's wrong What's wrong with him? I
16:47actually don't know much about him.
16:48>> He's just like a reprehensible person.
16:51He's just like a bad
16:52Yeah, just kind of like a bad guy.
16:55>> Oh, yeah. He wasn't he cheated on his
16:56wife, right? And had like a extramarital
16:59affair with like his assistant or
17:01something. Not for the Not for the last
17:03time, he is.
17:03>> [laughter]
17:04>> Yeah.
17:04>> Maybe one of the worst things a
17:06president's ever done. I just don't know
17:08what he did aside from that.
17:11>> What about um
17:13Do you know anything about Grant?
17:15>> Yeah.
17:16>> Yeah, Grant's cool cuz he's like like
17:18probably one of the better people that
17:20had like one of the worst presidencies.
17:23>> [clears throat]
17:24>> You know, he was like But people just
17:26loved him.
17:28>> Yeah. I think he he had one job and that
17:30was just don't be like Andrew Johnson.
17:33>> [laughter]
17:33>> Yeah, he
17:34he enabled a lot of corruption. Like he
17:36was a He was kind of a corruption
17:38magnet.
17:38>> kind of like used though?
17:41>> Yeah, people took advantage of him.
17:43Yeah, yeah, totally.
17:44>> He was a juice dog.
17:46>> Yeah, but
17:47you know, yeah, if you're if if you
17:49aspire to get to that seat, you do have
17:51to have the iron fist, I feel like of
17:53like
17:55No, not under my watch. You are
17:57responsible for things that happen under
17:59your your watch and your administration,
18:01I feel like.
18:03And uh
18:04He kind of he kind of [ __ ] up as cool
18:06of a guy as he is.
18:08>> Yeah, he just liked drinking and
18:09shooting. Didn't they That was his whole
18:10thing.
18:11>> Yeah, he's kind of a badass. Total
18:13badass. [laughter]
18:15>> He was just like mates with Lincoln. He
18:16was just like Lincoln's like best mate.
18:18That's why he was just like they That's
18:19why they picked him.
18:21>> But who was that guy that um Omid hated?
18:24Who We talked about it in the on the the
18:26road trip.
18:27>> Oh my god. It was like someone Oh, it
18:30was
18:31uh
18:31>> He just died.
18:33>> Was it Jimmy Carter?
18:35>> Yeah, Jimmy Carter.
18:36>> Yeah, I was like, "Who's your least
18:38favorite president?" He's like, "That
18:39[ __ ] snake, Jimmy Carter. I [ __ ]
18:41hate this guy." Like he was so like I've
18:43I've heard a lot of people say like
18:44great guy, great human being, but just
18:47like a and like his his term was just
18:51It was like a
18:52He just wasn't able to accomplish
18:53anything. He was a bad president, bad
18:55politician.
18:56>> Yeah.
18:56>> Omid came at him like he wanted to blow
18:58his [ __ ] head off. He was like, "That
19:00[ __ ] snake. That piece of shit."
19:02>> Well, was he like a Was he like a
19:03Reaganite or something? Is that
19:04>> No, it's very specifically because of
19:07how Jimmy Carter dealt with uh
19:11Islamic revolution or something.
19:13>> Yeah, like he enabled like
19:16I don't know. Like the [ __ ] Armenian
19:17genocide or something. I forgot I forgot
19:19what the hell it was.
19:20>> It had to do with Iran cuz that's
19:22>> Yeah.
19:23>> where I mean his family's from.
19:25>> Right.
19:25>> Yeah, he enabled like an Iranian regime
19:27change and it like [ __ ] over Iran.
19:31>> My knowledge of [clears throat] Carter's
19:32that he just had [ __ ] all to do. He had
19:34nothing going on and he still [ __ ] it
19:35up.
19:36>> Yeah.
19:37>> [laughter]
19:37>> We told him he was wrong though.
19:40>> Yeah, I was like, well, cuz we were in
19:41Georgia. So we're like in his home turf.
19:43I was like, you keep that [ __ ] down,
19:45dude.
19:45>> It must have been hard for him cuz there
19:46was [ __ ] about him everywhere.
19:48[laughter]
19:50>> We should have driven by the big peanut
19:52statue. Have you seen that?
19:54It's like his presidential statue is
19:56just a giant peanut with teeth and it's
19:58awesome.
19:58>> with the lips?
19:59>> Yeah.
20:00>> Yeah, I heard he streams now.
20:01>> I got to see this. Jimmy Carter's the
20:04peanut streams?
20:05>> Yeah, that giant [clears throat] peanut.
20:06>> Oh, yeah, the peanut guy.
20:07>> Yeah.
20:09He's got a live stream now.
20:10>> He's doing like a nod to Jimmy Carter?
20:13>> [laughter]
20:14>> Yeah, I think the big peanut's a big
20:15Jimmy Carter head.
20:16>> Wow, this peanut statue is
20:18horrific.
20:19>> Yeah. Apparently Jimmy himself hated it.
20:22>> It's got lips and no eyes or [laughter]
20:24anything.
20:26>> He was like, what the [ __ ] Like
20:27everybody else gets a cool statue, I get
20:29a stupid peanut in the middle of like
20:31Georgia farm country.
20:32>> like an alien peanut or something. Like
20:34it looks
20:35>> [clears throat]
20:35>> horrific.
20:36>> Yeah.
20:38>> It's not even that big.
20:39>> No, it's not.
20:40>> It's like 10 ft tall.
20:41>> It might be
20:43Yeah, I think like in the grand scheme
20:45of things, if you're thinking about the
20:46prestige
20:47of being president,
20:50I think it's the worst statue, but if
20:52you're thinking about just like
20:53cool factor, it might be the coolest
20:55statue that has been given to a
20:57president.
20:57>> It's not gaudy.
20:59>> No, it's not. And in like 100 years,
21:02they're going to look
21:02>> And they made a peanut statue of him for
21:05>> What does guy looked like, we have no
21:06idea. All that's left is this like an
21:09Ozymandias like all that's left is this
21:11[laughter] peanut. Like what the hell
21:13does the guy even look like?
21:14>> Look upon my works, you
21:16>> One second.
21:17>> [laughter]
21:18>> Yeah.
21:20And it's just [ __ ] stupid peanut out
21:22in the
21:23>> Dude, he's he's turning into a shuriken.
21:25>> You see [clears throat] me?
21:25>> Yeah, I think he had to go change his
21:27his laundry or something. He ran.
21:29>> Oh, laundry.
21:30>> Yeah, cuz we we were supposed to do this
21:31yesterday and then I [ __ ] up the
21:33scheduling.
21:35And and he's supposed to leave today to
21:37go somewhere and so I thought you went
21:39to go change your laundry over.
21:40>> No, I'll do that in
21:42in a little bit. I mean, no I won't.
21:44I'll be using the bathroom at some point
21:45though.
21:46>> We're incredibly professional. We would
21:48never schedule a laundry change in the
21:50middle of an episode.
21:51>> Especially when it's all the way in the
21:53creepy basement. I don't go down there a
21:56lot.
21:57>> Mr. Moneybags over here with a basement.
21:59>> Every house in Indiana has a basement.
22:02>> My house has a basement.
22:03>> rip through, you can go take shelter.
22:06>> I'm in a basement right now.
22:08>> Yeah. In my basement right now, my
22:10basement doesn't look like that. Okay,
22:12my basement looks like a cellar.
22:14>> Yeah, you you walk in the the you walk
22:16in the front and you're on the second
22:18story and then the lot slopes down so
22:21that on the back you walk out the
22:23basement.
22:23>> It's not a real it's not a real
22:25basement.
22:26>> Yeah. Real basements are dark
22:28and they're scary.
22:30>> Yeah.
22:31>> And the stairs are creaky and they
22:33flood.
22:35>> Mine floods [clears throat] sometimes.
22:37>> Not the cool part though, the creaky
22:39[laughter] that's room I'd call a real
22:41basement. Your real basement room
22:43flooded.
22:44>> Yeah, I don't know if I talked about
22:46that.
22:47No, I have like in between my garage and
22:50where I am right now, there's like a
22:52weird sliver of unfinished basement that
22:56you can go through like a hobbit door
22:58into. It's like so tiny. Yeah, I call it
23:01the dungeon. My kids are scared of it.
23:03They're terrified cuz it's like a hidden
23:04little door and you go down there and
23:06you're just in like this weird
23:07unfinished area.
23:08And I
23:11I thought I was going to be so [ __ ]
23:12slick and I was like I was using it for
23:14storage cuz there's like a weird
23:15foundation like half wall that's like 4
23:17ft off the ground and I was putting all
23:19these like
23:21old ass photos in there in a cardboard
23:23box. And and when I went to go bring
23:25them in there I was like, "You know
23:26what? This is the stupidest [ __ ] in the
23:28world. Everybody puts
23:30like family heirloom stuff in a
23:32cardboard box, puts it in the basement
23:34and it gets flooded and ruined. I'm
23:36going to be better than that. I'm going
23:37to put it up on this wall
23:39cuz there's no way the water level's
23:41going to reach 5 ft high without
23:43completely flooding this room that I'm
23:44in now.
23:46And uh
23:47I had it in there for about a month
23:50and one of my copper pipes got a tiny
23:52little hole in it about this big and it
23:54like sprayed water up into the subfloor
23:59and then rained down onto the cardboard
24:01box and the only thing that got
24:03completely destroyed was this cardboard
24:05box of photos
24:06that were like some of them were like 80
24:08years old. Like they're old as [ __ ]
24:10photos in the world.
24:12And one of them, the one that got ruined
24:13that was on top was
24:15my grandfather accepting an award from
24:17the governor and he looks so swag cuz it
24:19was in like 1973 so he's got like bell
24:22bottoms on and he's got big like [ __ ]
24:25sideburns and everything and he's like
24:27giant
24:29he almost looks like Who's the fat guy
24:30from um
24:32uh Ocean's 11?
24:33>> I knew you were going to say that. I
24:35[ __ ] What's his name? Reuben or
24:37something?
24:37>> Reuben, yeah. He had like Reuben's
24:39glasses from Ocean's 11 but then was
24:42wearing like a suit that you would see
24:45in like a 1970s detective movie and just
24:48like great hair and everything.
24:50>> Sounds like a great picture. I'd love to
24:51see it.
24:52>> awesome picture. Well, it's ruined now.
24:53It's gone.
24:54>> Did you scan it? Did you digitize them?
24:57>> Have you ever digitized photos before?
25:00It is a long, arduous process and
25:03>> Oh.
25:04But, I know you have that really nice
25:07scanner.
25:08>> Nice-ness has nothing to do with like
25:10how long it takes. Like it is nice.
25:12>> three pictures on there, probably. Maybe
25:15even four.
25:16>> I theoretically could and then what?
25:18Just like
25:19cry like cut them out individually
25:21afterwards? It just seems like a huge
25:23process and like
25:25Yeah. I think that was like one of the
25:26one photos where I was like, "That's
25:28[ __ ] awesome." I'm so It sucks that I
25:29lost it.
25:31>> [clears throat]
25:31>> Yeah.
25:32>> Whatever.
25:33>> It's You're not a very good steward of
25:36the past.
25:37>> I try to be though.
25:39I I
25:39I have a very
25:41uh
25:42uh what what's what's the word for like
25:44when you you have
25:46like something has value only to you
25:48because of the
25:49Yeah, I have a I have a sentiment
25:52a sentimental nature towards like family
25:55history and stuff. I try to take care of
25:56this [ __ ]
25:58and uh and then it gets destroyed under
26:00my watch.
26:02>> What an insult by the way, Poob. You
26:04>> [laughter]
26:05>> You're a bad No, it's like you're you're
26:06a bad steward of history. No one ever
26:09called me that. I
26:10>> [laughter]
26:11>> I'd end it all.
26:12>> I knew it'd hurt him, so
26:15I could sit here all day and call him
26:17insults and they they would just bounce
26:19right off of him, but [laughter] if I
26:21dig into something I know he loves
26:23>> Yeah. There's some There's some direct
26:26attacks on my character that just they
26:28just tear me down and calling me a poor
26:31steward of history,
26:33that's one of them. That's like That's
26:35like telling me I have a micro penis.
26:36That's worse.
26:37>> [laughter]
26:37>> It's worse than telling me I have a
26:38micro penis.
26:40So,
26:41thanks for that.
26:42>> Because I know that's not true.
26:45>> Thank you.
26:46Yeah. [laughter]
26:47And you also have a huge one.
26:51Yeah.
26:52We went camping together and we made a
26:54pact with Omeed that we won't discuss
26:56what the pact was.
26:57>> Whatever we do to Omeed, he gets to do
26:59right back to us.
27:02>> No, I meant the pact was that we each
27:03lie about
27:05>> [laughter]
27:05>> about how giant our penises are.
27:06>> Oh, yeah.
27:08Omeed's was like
27:11>> [laughter]
27:12>> and I'm talking width.
27:13>> Out of frame, yeah.
27:15>> It's like you've gone fishing. You're
27:16talking about it like a
27:17>> [laughter]
27:17>> like it's like a cod.
27:18>> you hold it up really close to the
27:20camera. You're thumbing it.
27:22>> You'll tend to bio now.
27:24>> [laughter]
27:25>> That would be an awesome I mean, you
27:27couldn't put it on Tinder, but a picture
27:28of you holding your penis out here.
27:30>> Yeah. [laughter] Like a mosaic.
27:32>> Like so it looks like a macro photo.
27:34Looks huge.
27:35>> Like 10 ft long.
27:37>> [laughter]
27:40>> Yeah.
27:42>> Ew. Thumb in the hole. Yeah, looks
27:44gross.
27:45>> [laughter]
27:46>> Like a smallmouth.
27:47>> Yeah.
27:48>> Uh
27:49>> No, so
27:50>> What state did you like the most when
27:51you came over here? Since you're like an
27:52Ameri- American What What do you call
27:54it? American file? American file?
27:56>> American file.
27:58>> The freedom file?
28:00Yeah. What's your favorite state here?
28:02New York?
28:03>> New York.
28:04>> New York. New York.
28:05>> This guy didn't fully He didn't fully
28:07embrace everything. He told He told me
28:09he went to Wyoming and he just stopped
28:10at a truck stop really quick.
28:12>> [laughter]
28:13>> I mean, you told me on the podcast
28:14Indianapolis was a sleeper and now
28:16you're picking New York.
28:17>> Yeah, now he's picking New York. His
28:18only exposure to Wyoming wasn't even
28:20Yellowstone. He was just like saw a
28:21truck stop.
28:22>> Wasn't that beautiful.
28:23>> I don't I don't count that I've been to
28:24Wyoming. I don't think I've been to
28:26Wyoming, yeah. But I I passed through
28:28there and I went to a truck stop. Maybe
28:29I'd love Wyoming, you know? They've got
28:31a cool flag. They've got like a bull on
28:33there. They've got like a like a buffalo
28:34on their flag. It's cool as hell.
28:35>> But saying New York's your favorite
28:37state is like when when you go like,
28:38"Hey, what's your favorite band?" and
28:39people go, "The Beatles."
28:42It's [laughter] like, "Okay, well, let
28:43me hear your second favorite, [ __ ]
28:45How about that? Let me get like an
28:46actual
28:47>> favorite state, You're going to hate me.
28:48>> Cuz I actually [laughter] do have a
28:49ranking.
28:50>> Okay, what's your ranking?
28:52>> Second place is California.
28:54>> Okay, California is actually that's a
28:55that's a good pick. Cuz California has
28:57such a
28:58it's got such a varied everything. It's
29:00like a Minecraft world. It's got every
29:02biome.
29:03>> I will say New York is pretty cool.
29:05Yeah.
29:06>> Upstate New York can can go away as far
29:08as I'm concerned. I've never
29:10I've been to Albany.
29:12>> The Catskill Mountains are cool.
29:14>> I've never been to the Catskills, but I
29:16want to go there.
29:16>> But like Albany up there it does suck.
29:19Like Buffalo.
29:21>> I'd walk around Albany. I I would I had
29:233 days in like a hotel in Albany.
29:26And it was like just like it was a very
29:30kind of like
29:31like dying area of Albany. It was like
29:34you know it was like off the off an off
29:36ramp. And it was just like like the
29:37entire place was just like run down.
29:39Like boarded up walls and [ __ ] There
29:41was a There was a Waffle House that had
29:43all the windows smashed. And I just
29:45always saw people fighting in this
29:46abandoned like waffle like restaurant.
29:50And um I remember this hotel I was in it
29:53had like
29:53>> state dependent by the way. People
29:55fighting in Waffle House. That's
29:57That's nationwide. That's the point.
30:00Yeah.
30:00>> It's bad ass.
30:02>> Yeah. That's like going there's homeless
30:03people in the homeless shelter. Could
30:05you believe that? Like it's a Waffle
30:06House. Of course they're going to be
30:08fighting in there.
30:09You're supposed to fight with the staff
30:10by the way. The The people that cook the
30:12food they fight you.
30:14>> The staff were all gone. They were there
30:16there was an exodus. It was It was just
30:18smashed windows and two people having a
30:21having it out.
30:22>> That's where you hash out. That's how we
30:23do things in America. You say you got a
30:25problem with me? Meet me down the street
30:26at the Waffle House. Let's go.
30:28>> the It's the modern coliseum.
30:30>> Yeah.
30:30>> [laughter]
30:31>> Did you guys have one of those in your
30:33hometown? Like a place where
30:35beef was squashed. We had a very
30:36specific place where people
30:37[clears throat] would be like meet me at
30:39blank.
30:40And then you go there to to fight.
30:43>> Was it Tesco's car park?
30:44>> I never went.
30:46>> You know, did you ever get called out
30:48and asked to
30:49>> I'd go there just to hang out cuz it was
30:50also like a social place and people It's
30:52like a fight club.
30:54>> Yeah.
30:54>> They'd see you. They'd see I was weak
30:56and [snorts]
30:57they'd chase me out of there.
30:58>> Chase me out of there.
31:00>> No, I never got called out to I mean,
31:02but it's like a fun We'll still say it
31:04like if my friends from my hometown like
31:06if you get in an argument in a video
31:07game
31:08meet me there.
31:10Beep blank place.
31:12And so you know what that means.
31:14Means you're going to get your head
31:15[ __ ] stomped in.
31:16>> Yeah. In between the the school and the
31:20bus ramp was like a covered awning
31:23in middle school and that's where like
31:25>> good place for a battle.
31:27>> Yeah, the covered awning was a That was
31:29the
31:29>> falling all around you.
31:31>> Yeah, that's where all the squabbles
31:33were.
31:34And cuz like usually they had at the
31:36school they had the teachers and at the
31:38bus ramp they had the you know, someone
31:40to make sure that kids weren't getting
31:42flattened by buses, but that stretch of
31:45awning in between the two places
31:47>> It's like a Mortal Kombat. Like it's
31:48very straight, you know, linear.
31:51>> Yeah.
31:52>> It's good.
31:53>> It was no man's land.
31:54>> Was it one V one this mainly or
31:56>> Yeah, usually and then everybody else
31:58would just kind of like they would kind
31:59of sit there and watch.
32:00>> Or was it ever like clique battles?
32:02>> Yeah. No, never never clique battles.
32:05>> Band kids versus jocks type stuff. Okay.
32:08>> No, I don't think I I don't think in
32:09school I ever saw multiple people fight.
32:13It was always like
32:15It was just like a one V one. Like it
32:16was never like these four guys versus
32:19these four guys like a like a gangs
32:21like a gang fight. It was never like
32:23that. It was just
32:24This guy pissed me off.
32:26>> And then they would just fight. I think
32:27one time
32:29a guy that was like kind of an
32:31acquaintance of mine yeah jumped in the
32:32locker room.
32:34And I might have thrown a kick in there
32:35so cuz he was stealing money out of
32:37people's lockers.
32:38>> Yeah.
32:39>> And he had done it before.
32:41And he'd stolen from me. And you know,
32:42when you're in like high school, and you
32:44get that birthday money,
32:46it's like $50. That's like I'm right
32:48there. I'm right to a brand new video
32:50game.
32:51>> Yeah.
32:51>> And he did it in junior high and stuff
32:53and
32:53>> He stole $50 from you?
32:56>> I think he over the years, if it was him
32:58every time, I lost like $120.
33:02>> Jeez.
33:03>> Which is enough to like kill.
33:05>> Honestly, like at some point that's kind
33:06of on you bringing that much to school.
33:09>> Well, it wasn't it all at once. And it's
33:11also like
33:13you know, I just have it like in my
33:15wallet or something. Then you put your
33:16clothes in there when you go to gym. We
33:18didn't have lockers.
33:19>> you. Don't let them shame you, Poob.
33:21It's not your fault he robbed you.
33:23>> [laughter]
33:23>> Well, he got his because he robbed like
33:25a big ass redneck. There was like dudes
33:27in our school that were like they looked
33:28like they were damn near 30 cuz they
33:30were fifth years or something. And he
33:32robbed he just robbed the wrong one. And
33:33they beat the [ __ ] out of him.
33:35And uh
33:36>> [clears throat]
33:36>> Oh, yeah. I think he I think he ended up
33:38dying from his wounds. So, we never had
33:40to deal with that again. [clears throat]
33:42And uh
33:43>> [laughter]
33:44>> Bygones are bygones.
33:45>> Have you ever seen a kid like overcome
33:48like his stereotype of being a dork and
33:50just like whoop someone's ass?
33:53>> Oh.
33:54>> There was a kid that got his iPad
33:56stolen.
33:57And or not his iPad, his his iPod. His
34:00iPod. And it got stolen and then he he
34:04was just kind of like a a kid that
34:05played tennis.
34:07And he was kind of like just a lanky
34:09dork.
34:10And
34:12he
34:14No, I actually almost kind of looked
34:15like Wilbur a little bit. But
34:17It like no no offense. Like just guy
34:19that you're not expecting to like kick
34:21someone's ass. Sorry. [laughter]
34:22>> You're painting me a good picture.
34:23>> Yeah. And [clears throat] um
34:25>> Total nerd.
34:26>> Yeah. But his name was like Warrington
34:28or something. Warrington. Anyways, he
34:31His name was like Wilbur or something.
34:34This
34:35>> [laughter]
34:35>> This guy stole his iPod and then he saw
34:38him with the iPod the next day
34:40and he was just like shamelessly like
34:42this is mine now using the same
34:44headphones and everything.
34:46And
34:47>> It's kind of a power play.
34:48>> Yeah, and
34:50that skinny little [ __ ] beat the [ __ ]
34:52out of him publicly. Like just beat the
34:54[ __ ] out of him and then like to the
34:56like a fight where after it was over he
35:00the guy was on the floor and then he was
35:02able to go through his backpack and get
35:03the iPod.
35:05>> That's awesome.
35:06>> It wasn't like a squabble
35:07where he kind of won and then the
35:09teachers pulled them apart and everybody
35:10was like okay, you got more hits in that
35:12was a win. Like it was a decisive
35:14victory.
35:15Yeah,
35:15>> [laughter]
35:15>> yeah guy was
35:16on the GROUND GOING LIKE
35:19AND HE WENT THROUGH HIS [ __ ] BACKPACK
35:20and got it and he I don't think he ever
35:22said a word.
35:23That was the crazy part cuz usually like
35:26that's a power move. Usually if you get
35:27into a fight you're just like
35:30[ __ ] Like you're going to say
35:31something and it's usually going to ruin
35:33it. It was just a
35:34quiet beat down.
35:36>> That's that's so cool.
35:38>> It's it's quite it's interesting that
35:39stuck with you. The fact that it was
35:41quiet.
35:42>> It was very quiet beat down. And
35:44[clears throat] then he just he got his
35:45iPod.
35:47Yeah. It was really bad. Did it frighten
35:49you?
35:49>> Did it unnerve [snorts] you? Did it make
35:51you uncomfortable in the slightest?
35:52>> ever [ __ ] with him again.
35:54After that. Yeah, everybody there was
35:56kind of like a respect. It You know what
35:58it was? Have you ever seen Gladiator?
36:01>> Yeah.
36:02>> It was after he takes off his helmet and
36:04he goes I'm Maximus Meridius and then
36:07like later it's in between Gladiator
36:09fights and they're at the training camp
36:11and like when Maximus walks through the
36:13camp and everybody's like
36:14general, general. Like people like gave
36:16him like a reverence after he kicked
36:19this guy's ass cuz before he was just
36:20like
36:22like almost like a nobody and then after
36:23that it was like
36:25that guy kind of kicked like a bully's
36:26ass in front of everybody, didn't ask
36:28for help, didn't make a big show out of
36:31it.
36:32Just kind of did it.
36:33>> the rep grind, man.
36:34>> Yeah.
36:34>> He's exalted with the
36:36>> Yeah.
36:37>> Definitely said this before on here, but
36:40I had a way I could have done that, but
36:43I didn't feel like killing a kid.
36:45But one time a guy stole my hoodie and
36:47then gave it to his disgusting
36:49girlfriend that they like chain-smoked
36:51cigarettes in junior high.
36:53And they had to go She She wore it the
36:55next day.
36:56And I I
36:58>> You should have beat her up.
36:59>> I should have gone over there and hit
37:00her, but instead I told I told my
37:02friend, I'm like, "That guy's got my
37:04hoodie." And then he went over there and
37:06dealt with it for me.
37:07>> her back like Bane. He picked her up.
37:10>> He threw her through a brick wall and
37:12then her
37:13her boyfriend just [ __ ] pissed his
37:15pants.
37:16>> My head.
37:17>> Yeah.
37:19Well, he just went over to where her
37:21boyfriend was like, "That's Sam's. Give
37:23it back." The guy was like, "Jesus
37:24Christ."
37:26And uh yeah, really cool dude. He
37:28He totally got my [ __ ] back for me and
37:31>> That doesn't really make you sound like
37:33a hero if you go like, "Go get my
37:35hoodie, baby."
37:35>> a hero. It's It's actually [laughter] a
37:37tale of the opposite is what the point
37:39is.
37:39>> I've had that exact same story happen,
37:41but with somebody stole my Pokémon cards
37:44and I had my neighbor who was older than
37:46me go over there and get them back. And
37:48he was like, "You took his Pokémon
37:50cards." And he actually broke into his
37:52house to get them back and then slapped
37:53him.
37:54>> Oh.
37:55>> I was I was just kidding, dude.
37:58I was Yeah.
37:59>> I was in that guy's pocket for a while.
38:01After that I was holding it, he
38:03pulled it out and I'd walk around with
38:05it.
38:05>> If [laughter] you slap a kid and break
38:07into a house to get my Magmar card back,
38:09[ __ ]
38:09>> I'm yours.
38:10>> I'm yours, dude.
38:11>> For a life.
38:11>> homie.
38:13>> [clears throat]
38:14>> Yeah.
38:15It's actually pretty tragic. That guy
38:17that did that for me ended up dying.
38:19Uh like I don't know.
38:20>> being serious?
38:21>> Well, not You didn't kill a kid, but the
38:23guy that my hero ended up passing away
38:26like
38:26post high school.
38:28It's sad.
38:30>> rock
38:32>> No. No, he wasn't in the rock.
38:35>> [laughter]
38:36>> Post high school. No, I don't know how
38:38he died.
38:39>> You don't even know how he died?
38:40>> Probably being a hero.
38:41>> Yeah, he's probably trying to get
38:43somebody's hoodie back again. There's
38:45probably a sniper lined up on me.
38:48>> [laughter]
38:50>> Yeah, he was he was awesome, dude.
38:52>> Yeah, your guardian angel. He He
38:53probably
38:54>> [laughter]
38:54>> He probably died trying to protect you
38:56in some way.
38:58Yeah, he intercepted some disgruntled
39:01patron outside your house and died on
39:03the sidewalk and you had no idea.
39:05>> Speaking of, I've had a couple recent
39:07brushes with uh
39:09death in ways that, you know, I didn't
39:10want to deal with bird hit my window and
39:13totally just killed itself.
39:15And I buried it.
39:17And it was very sad. And this was the
39:20day before my birthday. I told you this
39:22on the phone, Sam. And then my mom came
39:24the next day and I'm like
39:26Yeah, mom was pretty sad I had to bury a
39:28bird. And she accosted me. It was like,
39:31"You buried a bird? You're supposed to
39:33put them in a tree with a pinch of
39:34tobacco." I'm like, "What in the [ __ ]
39:37are you talking about?" Like
39:39I don't want a dead bird in a tree.
39:43head up to the grave and say something
39:44like
39:45like [ __ ] Native American like she
39:48went to a Native American church. She's
39:50a white woman.
39:51And uh
39:52Yeah, she was like mad at me.
39:54And then you know there's bird species
39:56that they lay an egg and it develops
39:58faster and then the baby pushes out the
40:00other babies.
40:02They like take over the nest.
40:04That happened in my backyard. Uh and I
40:07found a little baby bird and it wasn't
40:09ready to fly yet, you know, still like
40:11kind of slimy.
40:13And I put it back in the nest and a
40:15little [ __ ] came out that was like
40:16four times its size chirping at me. I'm
40:19like, "What the [ __ ] Who the [ __ ] are
40:20you?" You know, like this It looked like
40:22it was
40:23It was much more developed. And I put
40:26the baby back in there and I was like,
40:28"I did a good thing. Like I'm kind of a
40:30hero." And then the next morning it had
40:32just pushed it right back out and it
40:33died. So then I put it in a tree and I'm
40:36like with a cigar.
40:38>> With a cigar in its
40:39>> Well, I only had a Zen, so I
40:41>> [laughter]
40:41>> I think it was technically tobacco-free,
40:43but I put a Zen in its mouth. And put it
40:46up in a tree.
40:47And I don't know if I'm I'm sure my
40:49mom's going to find some problem with
40:50that, too, but
40:52>> [laughter]
40:53>> it was
40:54very sad and grim.
40:55>> patch
40:57on his chest.
40:58>> I like when when I saw these birds
41:00making nests, I was like, "Oh, oh my
41:02god, like this is beautiful. Like
41:04there's going to be little babies."
41:05That's the second dead baby bird I
41:06found.
41:07>> Nature's brutal, dude.
41:08>> Yeah, well, it is brutal.
41:10I'd say it is brutal, but it's like it's
41:12not like I I don't have like a huge
41:14yard. Like I don't know why so many
41:16birds are dying dying back here.
41:19And then I was I was thinking last
41:20night, I'm like
41:22the bird like you never see a bird just
41:24like die of old age. They always hit a
41:26[ __ ] window or something. They're
41:27like,
41:28"Where all the dead Where all the old
41:30dead birds going?"
41:31>> Like hamsters
41:34I don't know. I've never seen a dead
41:35bird in the wild.
41:38>> I think
41:38>> Yeah, it's true. Hamsters do like try to
41:40blow themselves up and [ __ ]
41:42>> [laughter]
41:43>> I think out in nature, I think old age
41:45is a very
41:47very rare novelty. Yeah.
41:50And like a bird, it doesn't get like a
41:52gray beard or anything. How the [ __ ] are
41:54you going to tell?
41:54>> you Yeah, well, do they? I don't know.
41:56I've never seen an old beard at all
41:58before.
41:59>> I would say you've probably seen an old
42:00bird. I think you've seen an old bird.
42:03>> How old?
42:04>> Yeah.
42:06Like what is Yeah, like what's like
42:07geriatric for like a bird?
42:09>> I think it depends cuz like parrots can
42:11live to like 80.
42:13>> That is actually a good point. I have
42:15seen there when back when I was a kid
42:17there was a a guy that like on the 4th
42:19of July I'd be lighting off fireworks
42:22and this [ __ ] crazy old guy would
42:23come up the hill
42:25uh from like he lived at the end of the
42:27road and he always had his parrot on his
42:29shoulder and he was like
42:31HE'S LIKE THESE FIREWORKS ARE SCARING
42:33THE [ __ ] OUT OF MY PARROT. I'M LIKE
42:35why'd you bring him out here dude? You
42:36live like a half a mile away. Like just
42:38go back in your house and
42:40>> I
42:40>> [laughter]
42:40>> put [ __ ] like I don't know put some
42:43headphones on it or something. Like this
42:44is one day a year.
42:46>> Yeah.
42:46>> Like let me do my [ __ ] If he's so
42:47[ __ ] scared, yeah. If he's so [ __ ]
42:49scared don't bring him close to us while
42:51we're doing it. You know, it's kind of
42:52like a national holiday. Everybody
42:54lights fireworks.
42:56Um but he would complain and he would
42:58call the cops but his parrot was old as
43:00[ __ ] and it just looked old. It's like
43:03it was just like
43:05you know, just like barely holding on.
43:07>> That's kind of awesome. Old man with old
43:09man bird.
43:10>> Yeah, and he was like it's scaring my
43:11parrot and I'd look at the parrot and it
43:12would just be like I don't
43:14like it just didn't give a [ __ ]
43:17Yeah, it was very obviously like on
43:19death's door step. I don't even think I
43:21think it was probably deaf. It probably
43:22couldn't even hear the fireworks.
43:24I think I I think the fireworks were
43:25just interrupting his like
43:27Colombo or Rifleman or whatever the [ __ ]
43:29he was watching.
43:31>> Parrot time.
43:32>> Yeah. [laughter]
43:34He was like I need to make an excuse.
43:36>> I think they they have like little
43:37holes, right?
43:38>> What do you mean they have ears? Like of
43:40course they they communicate by
43:42chirping. Of course they have [ __ ]
43:44ears.
43:46>> Yeah. But an ear is like an append-
43:48that's like a thing.
43:50>> I don't know. Yeah, but they don't have
43:51like the cone. They I think they just
43:52have hole.
43:53Like Pooh-Bah's saying.
43:55>> Bastard.
43:56>> I should have inspected the dead birds
43:58more closely.
43:59>> Yeah.
44:00>> Peel back the skin of curiosity.
44:02>> Have you guys heard of crow court?
44:05>> I'm
44:06>> Apparently crows
44:08>> listening
44:09>> Crows are sophisticated enough that they
44:11have what they they deemed as crow
44:12court. And it's like if there's a a
44:16member of their community
44:19that has acted in a bad way
44:23>> Whether or not it's yeah uh murdered
44:25another bird or
44:26>> Oh, I mean aren't they called a murder
44:28when they're
44:28>> Oh yeah, when there's like a giant yeah
44:30group of crows. Yeah, if they it's done
44:32something to like piss off the rest of
44:34the crows, they will surround it.
44:37And then they'll just sit there and like
44:38browbeat the hell out of it. They'll all
44:40just go like
44:41and squawk at it. And then the one in
44:43the middle will just be like
44:45Like he'll
44:46obviously like I'm distressed. Like
44:48everybody hates me. And sometimes if if
44:52the crime is bad enough Like let's say
44:54it's uh been accused or is guilty of
44:57like like destroying another bird's eggs
45:00or something like that or killing
45:01another crow, they will actually just
45:04gang up and kill the
45:05>> [ __ ]
45:05>> They'll they'll just kill the crow.
45:06They'll after they scream at it. They'll
45:08circle it. They'll do the court thing.
45:10And then
45:12they will attack it and kill it and
45:14leave it.
45:15Which I feel like you never see that
45:17with others with other animals where
45:19like
45:19>> do that to like people, right? Cuz
45:21there's been a couple of crows around my
45:23area.
45:24>> think so.
45:24>> Like they would never agree to like
45:26let's kill that guy.
45:28>> [laughter]
45:28>> Cuz like if they see a guy that keeps
45:29burying birds.
45:31>> Yeah.
45:31>> You think repeatedly.
45:33>> Oh no, they probably saw you burying and
45:35they're like he deserves to be up in
45:36that tree with a [ __ ] cigarette,
45:37dude.
45:38>> Yeah.
45:38>> He You should have put him up on that
45:40branch with a Virginia Slim hanging out
45:42of his beak.
45:42>> Oh, the bird is right. I thought you
45:43meant I deserve to be in a tree with
45:46>> No, the crows are pissed. They saw you
45:47put him in the dirt. They're upset.
45:49>> Well, hopefully they saw me put that
45:50baby bird. I'm just also worried I'm
45:52like
45:53in like a year I'm going to go over to
45:54that tree and there's just going to be a
45:55little bird skeleton like that's so sad.
45:58>> What still up there?
45:59>> Oh, maybe I guess I don't know.
46:01Something might eat it. Yeah.
46:03>> You thought of bad karma. I think they'd
46:05let you off. I think you'd be all right.
46:09>> Yeah. I did leave that invasive bird in
46:12there. It's like I'm not going to
46:13I'm not going to walk over there and
46:15crush that little baby that's like
46:17full grown. But
46:18>> No, that's why you got the karma.
46:20>> I'm a little angry at that [ __ ] cuz he
46:22killed
46:23two cuter birds.
46:25>> Mhm. That is how it should be.
46:28It's called survival of the fittest.
46:30>> dude.
46:31Yeah.
46:31>> Survival of the cutest.
46:33>> No, man. It's
46:34>> I
46:34Survival of the fittest. You're That's
46:36like an Achilles bird and you're trying
46:38to thwart its ability to conquer the
46:40bird world.
46:42>> Uh what do you think What do you think
46:43is worse?
46:44Like the BP oil spill destroying like
46:47the natural habitat or you coming in and
46:49going, "Oh, these weak little [ __ ]
46:51birds, they they're the ones that should
46:52survive and have kids." You're
46:54perpetuating a weak
46:57a weak species that they don't
46:58>> I'm perpetuating I've got two bird
47:01feeders and I want to see pretty birds
47:03eating at them.
47:04>> I think meddling in the environment's
47:05bad, dude. I think you're basically like
47:07a BP oil spill but for your own
47:08backyard.
47:09>> I haven't done anything like
47:10>> Kaczynski birds, man.
47:12>> Yeah.
47:12>> I think you should have given that the
47:14big bird like a
47:16>> [laughter]
47:16>> I think you should have given him
47:17steroids or something. Yeah.
47:20>> You get a cigarette even though you're
47:21not dead.
47:23Cuz I guess birds like tobacco or
47:24something.
47:25>> Yeah. You should have given him like a
47:26peptide drip or something. Got him
47:28[ __ ] really badass
47:30>> bionic legs.
47:31>> [laughter]
47:33>> A big car like a carbon-tipped beak.
47:35>> Yeah, a metal beak would be awesome.
47:38I'm going to bring you into the basement
47:40and forge you into something better.
47:42>> I'd put razor [clears throat] blades on
47:43your [ __ ] wings.
47:46>> There are some hawks around here. Yeah,
47:47it needs Make it one of those little
47:49spiky vests.
47:51>> Oh, yeah.
47:52I've seen a lot of videos of people
47:53having like the the bear suits with
47:56spikes on them and then they they go
47:58like Have you seen those where you look
48:00like a like a [ __ ] but with spikes on
48:02you? It's like a full suit of just like
48:05super spiky armor.
48:07>> Like what little dogs wear to protect
48:09them from birds?
48:11>> Yeah.
48:12And uh
48:13and
48:14I saw it and it was based off of a
48:16Siberian like pelt armor setup that
48:20somebody had made so that they could
48:21hunt for bears in Siberia without
48:24getting killed.
48:25>> one.
48:25>> Yeah. And then I've been watching all
48:27these videos and I'm like these are
48:29incredible. It's awesome that it
48:30actually works and I probably got like
48:3230 videos in before I realized they're
48:34all AI generated and I've just been
48:37I fell for it. I fell [clears throat]
48:38for the entire like I went back and
48:39looked at the previous ones and I was
48:41like [ __ ] dude.
48:43That stupid tiger turned into a lion
48:45halfway through the video. I didn't even
48:47realize.
48:48>> It's so funny on a trampoline moment.
48:50Did you get [ __ ] [clears throat] over
48:51by the bunnies on the trampoline? That
48:53got me.
48:54>> No, I didn't.
48:55>> Have you you know that
48:56>> look at cute [ __ ] I look at badass
48:57[ __ ] Like a guy with armor on fighting
48:59a [ __ ]
49:00>> did make bear armor because he got like
49:02attacked by a grizzly bear and it's just
49:04a huge It looks like a space suit.
49:06>> He looks like Buzz Lightyear. Yeah, he's
49:08got like a big like
49:09>> looks like a transformer or something.
49:11>> But he can't move.
49:12>> That's awesome.
49:12>> He can't move. He's just like
49:14>> purely survive like I don't know when
49:16[clears throat] he would have time to
49:17put that on.
49:18>> Yeah, cuz you can't go on like a nature
49:20walk wearing that [ __ ]
49:24And if I remember correctly like part of
49:25his testing for the prototype, he just
49:27got his friend to hit him with a truck.
49:29>> Yeah.
49:29>> And he gets like thrown 15 ft like this
49:32giant outfit on.
49:34>> It would be cool just to
49:37just to have. Yeah, I'm watching the
49:39They just like hit him with baseball
49:41bats and they have a a swinging tree hit
49:43him.
49:44>> Yeah.
49:44>> Or something. It He just It's just Okay,
49:46it's just AI.
49:48He's getting blasted by a car and then
49:51they have him just roll down a huge hill
49:53like hot rod style.
49:55>> I'm going to go refill my water. So, I'm
49:57being unprofessional. I know. I need to
50:00>> Sam watches this show.
50:01>> Is that all right?
50:02>> Yeah, that's fine. I'll go That's fine.
50:05>> Let my laundry really quick.
50:06>> Unprofessional [ __ ] Look who laughed.
50:08[laughter]
50:09>> I'm going to I'll be right back.
50:11>> It's the worst day of my [ __ ] life.
50:14This is the worst [ __ ] day
50:18my childhood my childhood YouTuber
50:21listening to me piss.
50:25And he proceeds to [ __ ] comment on my
50:27piss stream.
50:29>> He was using his AirPods the entire time
50:31as his mic.
50:31>> know. I didn't realize. I thought I was
50:33using this.
50:34>> I mean, that would make sense. I don't
50:35know. I didn't think about that. But
50:36yeah, when he laughed and we could still
50:38hear him, really should have been a good
50:40indication.
50:42>> and it sounded
50:44either either you need to work on your
50:47hydration or your pee hole is that big
50:49around.
50:49>> It was
50:50>> Which one is it?
50:50>> It was a slow start. It was a You know
50:52You know You know it's like a cold day
50:54and you got to get You got to like
50:55[laughter]
50:56You got to like You got to like start
50:58your car.
50:59>> In June? Okay.
51:00>> [laughter]
51:01>> Dude, you know it is actually a really
51:02nice day today. But you know when you
51:03got like cold day and you got to like
51:05warm your car up first before you can
51:06drive. That's the
51:08That's what I had.
51:09>> [laughter]
51:10>> Okay.
51:11>> Come on. Come on.
51:12>> Yeah.
51:13>> I mean
51:14>> Come on. They're listening.
51:15>> [laughter]
51:18>> Dude, I honestly like I feel like my my
51:21first sign of old age is is the
51:23inability to stop my pee. Like it used
51:26to just be I would just I would get in
51:28there and I'd go
51:29and then it would just I was done and I
51:32almost didn't even have to shake. I was
51:33just like the pee is gone. But now it's
51:36like I'm going to I'm going to dribble
51:39for just a little bit.
51:41>> I don't think I'm there yet.
51:42>> You're not there yet?
51:43>> No, not yet.
51:44>> No.
51:46>> I'll let you know.
51:46>> And then I sit there and just go like
51:49I got you.
51:49>> to get every little bit of it out.
51:51>> You go do more Kegels. I have to ban all
51:53all khakis.
51:54>> Do I need to do Kegels? Is that what it
51:56>> to do Kegels, man. You can start right
51:58now. Do some Kegels right now. It's
52:00easy.
52:02No one has to know you're doing it,
52:03either. I could be doing it right now
52:04for all you
52:05>> I'll let you guys know, and I'm doing it
52:07right now.
52:08And it feels incredible.
52:10>> [laughter]
52:10>> Yeah.
52:13>> How do you do a Kegel?
52:15>> I think you just kind of
52:16you like you're clenching your butt hole
52:18really hard, right?
52:19>> just suck in your butt hole.
52:24>> Yeah.
52:25>> I practice my Kegels by just like having
52:27to [ __ ] and not [ __ ]
52:29I just
52:31That's [laughter] I consider that
52:33exercise.
52:34>> I do Kegels by holding it all the time.
52:36>> Can I tell you an Albany, New York
52:38anecdote that I I need some perspective
52:40on cuz I don't understand it, and it
52:42might be an American thing. I was in
52:44this this hotel. It was like It was like
52:47an okay hotel, actually. No, it wasn't.
52:49It was awful. It was a It was just a big
52:50hotel, right? And it was like bungalow,
52:52single story. And in the lobby of this
52:54hotel was like a row of like public use
52:57computers, like maybe three or four of
52:59them. I'm talking Windows XP type like
53:01you know, really thin monitor with a big
53:03chunky like desktop next to it. And um
53:07every day there was from about 6:00
53:09[snorts] a.m. till about 11:00 p.m.
53:12there was the same woman
53:14playing Second Life really loudly on
53:18these public computers with one of these
53:20like You remember those really old like
53:22Target microphones you could get in like
53:242010 that were like really thin like
53:27really long thin ones. She was at one of
53:29these desk mounted Second Life things,
53:31and she would just like loudly while I
53:33was like checking in to this hotel, she
53:36was talking to people sexually on Second
53:39[laughter] Life.
53:41>> Oh, just doing full ass like European
53:44things.
53:44>> cyber sexing.
53:45>> people on Second Life. And she did this
53:47thing I was there for 4 days and she was
53:49doing it every day, dawn till dusk.
53:54>> Albany?
53:54>> for Lyndon bucks.
53:56>> Yeah.
53:57>> What are they?
53:58>> That's That's awesome.
54:00>> I I
54:01You know, I've always wondered like the
54:02amount of
54:03uh of people that just go into like
54:06the public library and and
54:08you can tell they're there for nefarious
54:10purposes, but I've never seen someone
54:12doing just like ERPing on like a
54:14role-play thing.
54:15>> Oh yeah, she was like It seems like
54:17>> She's untapped.
54:18>> Very detailed, too.
54:21Like cuz obviously she had to like
54:22describe
54:24things cuz there's no like the avatars
54:26are like 2004, so it's like
54:28>> Yeah. [laughter]
54:29>> And I did I did have a listen. I did
54:31quite enjoy it. It was a bit like a
54:32telenovela. It was quite fun. They were
54:34like There was like an argument at one
54:35point.
54:37>> Second Life joy.
54:39>> Yeah.
54:40>> I was living a third life. It was like I
54:41was like a second-hand Second Life joy.
54:44>> Yeah.
54:45>> Voyeurism. [snorts]
54:46>> [laughter]
54:48>> Virtual voyeurism.
54:49>> Dude, that's the type of person I want
54:51to get uh for like a podcast guest.
54:54>> [laughter]
54:54>> Just like weird Yeah, like creatures
54:57like that. Like
54:58>> And she has a mic.
54:59>> Yeah.
54:59>> Oh yeah, maybe we can find her in Second
55:02Life. She'd probably do it
55:03>> in the hotel lobby.
55:05>> [laughter]
55:05>> If I give you the hotel, I bet if you
55:07rang them, she'd still be there.
55:09And you could just ask nicely. Like
55:11>> Is there a lady playing Second Life
55:13there?
55:15Yeah.
55:15>> [laughter]
55:15>> Do you want to do it now? Want to call
55:16them now? I'll give you the number. I'll
55:18give you the hotel.
55:20>> Oh.
55:20>> I wonder if she's her first spot.
55:22>> Yeah.
55:23>> That'd be funny if she's like, "No, I'm
55:24in the middle of something."
55:26>> Who do you think she's not even staying
55:28there?
55:28>> No, I definitely wasn't. She definitely
55:30wasn't staying there. It was like she
55:31was she was
55:32>> That's nice of them to let her
55:34do
55:36virtual role-play
55:37>> and
55:38>> loudly.
55:38>> In like next to the reception. Like
55:40there was the reception desk and then
55:42the [laughter] second lobby.
55:44>> It's pretty odd.
55:45>> I feel really
55:47like I feel kind of bad because there's
55:49this restaurant in town that's like very
55:51highly reviewed. Everybody loves it. And
55:54I
55:54>> Oh, here we go about Ming Tree again,
55:56dude.
55:56>> No, it wasn't Ming Tree. Wasn't Ming
55:58Tree. It's a different place. We went me
55:59and Abby went to it for for breakfast.
56:02Has great reviews. Everybody keeps
56:04recommending it. We go there. We get a
56:06table. And
56:09I
56:11Like
56:11>> [sighs]
56:12>> have you guys ever seen someone that's
56:14like
56:15I would I don't want to say disabled in
56:16public, but there it's you try to ignore
56:19them a little bit cuz you don't want to
56:21stare, you know?
56:23>> Like a veteran?
56:24>> No, not like a veteran. And not I I
56:27guess this person was what I would
56:28consider highly autistic.
56:30>> Mhm.
56:30>> And the owner of the place, I think it
56:33was like her son.
56:35And to keep him busy, she was like,
56:37"Hey, you need to like uh make sure the
56:39soda fountain works and like organize
56:41the cups or something like that and tell
56:42me when you're done." And our table
56:44happened to be there next to the soda
56:45fountain. He finishes the soda fountain
56:47thing
56:48and then organizes the cups and then
56:50just proceeds to do an entire
56:52like Dragon Ball Z routine.
56:55>> [ __ ] yeah.
56:55>> Where
56:56maybe 6 ft away from me and I'm just
56:59like I would like look over and he would
57:00just be like "Not ON MY PLANET."
57:05>> OH, SO YOU GOT like
57:07>> just doing like all these
57:08>> medieval times eating experience.
57:10>> Yeah, but like
57:12>> mad?
57:13>> Well, I would go to look at him and he
57:14would just look through me. Like he he
57:16was in a different world. This guy was
57:17in a different world just doing like
57:19full
57:20>> You're trying to get my Dragon Balls.
57:22What [laughter] if he kicked your ass?
57:24>> With a flying kick.
57:26Yeah.
57:27But like me and Abby were there to
57:29discuss something very important. And
57:31like anytime we would start, it
57:33[laughter] was just like
57:36this guy doing a full [ __ ] routine
57:39next to us.
57:41And like, anytime like he would get so
57:42animated, he at one point hit the corner
57:44of a chair and it went like skittering
57:46across the floor and his mom had to go
57:47over there and was like, "Can you like
57:48keep it down?"
57:50And I'm like,
57:51I We're the only people here. Can't you
57:53[ __ ] take them out on the patio or
57:55something like that?
57:56>> Son Goku
57:57>> Yeah.
57:58>> [laughter]
57:58>> Just don't [ __ ] train outside or
58:00something.
58:00>> This dude sounds cool as [ __ ]
58:03You just know You just know he's going
58:04to be
58:05>> was just the wrong time and place.
58:07>> Yeah.
58:07>> Yeah.
58:08>> Well, it's
58:09also like way funnier that you're having
58:12a serious conversation. Like
58:13>> Yeah, very serious conversation.
58:16>> Grim.
58:17>> Yeah, no not grim. It was just like some
58:19doctor stuff. Um,
58:21you know, conversations about our kids'
58:23future and
58:25stuff like that and uh and he was giving
58:27you a glimpse.
58:29Yeah, and uh and I couldn't like [ __ ]
58:31focus on it. And Abby couldn't even like
58:33start the conversation because she's
58:35she's a person that gets overstimulated
58:38too too much and this guy was like the
58:40embodiment of overstimulation. He was
58:42just there
58:43doing a full like hero's monologue
58:46and then and then attacking.
58:49Which was really cool. It was a mix
58:50between like Dragon Ball Z and and maybe
58:52like Naruto cuz he was also doing these
58:54things where you go like
58:56like the little gang signs.
58:58>> Yeah, he might have been in a gang.
59:00>> Maybe [snorts] he did. Maybe I was on
59:02his turf. I had no idea.
59:03>> Did you check [clears throat] in when
59:05you
59:06>> No.
59:07>> went in there?
59:08>> No.
59:09>> That was definitely me as a kid. I was
59:11that kid, by the way. Not with like
59:13Dragon Ball
59:14>> I've done some research on you. I did
59:16well, two things. One, I saw probably 15
59:20different YouTube channels
59:22that have videos of you on them. One of
59:25which it's you when you're like 6 years
59:27old singing a song.
59:29>> Mhm.
59:29>> And
59:31um
59:32>> Maybe.
59:32>> There's another one of There's another
59:34one of you dancing and stuff. And
59:35there's some Minecraft stuff when you're
59:36maybe like 11 or 12.
59:38>> Mhm.
59:39Yeah.
59:40>> Um
59:41>> [clears throat]
59:41>> You're kind of just listing these off
59:43like Mad Libs style at me.
59:44>> [laughter]
59:45>> Yeah.
59:46>> It's kind of there's like no context to
59:47it.
59:48>> No, no, no. I was just It was like weird
59:50seeing you like all through all these
59:52like different stages of your life.
59:54>> Yeah, it's it's weird having the world
59:56having seen me through all these
59:58different stages of my life. It's
1:00:00cuz I was kind of an early adopter. I
1:00:02was on YouTube in 2005 and I was 8 years
1:00:05old. Like I was
1:00:06>> Yeah.
1:00:07>> I was straight I I was straight on
1:00:08there. I was making videos on my You
1:00:11know the Nokia brick phones from like
1:00:13the 2000s. I was making videos with my
1:00:15friends like scripted fully scripted
1:00:18like like videos and putting them on
1:00:21YouTube. And you can still see them.
1:00:22They're all still up. You can I'll send
1:00:24them to you if you
1:00:24>> I think that's what I was looking at.
1:00:26Yeah, I think that's what I was looking
1:00:27at.
1:00:27>> Were you seeing all the eye frames
1:00:29cutting over where like it would like
1:00:30data mosh because of how bad the camera
1:00:33was?
1:00:34>> Yeah. Yeah.
1:00:35>> That's the yeah, that little webcam.
1:00:37>> They do have a certain charm to them in
1:00:39a way. And I think people are trying to
1:00:40get that aesthetic back.
1:00:43You know, cuz how clean and clinical
1:00:45everything is now. People like the the
1:00:48artifacts
1:00:49>> Yeah, the artifacts of the old texts. We
1:00:51don't have any more.
1:00:52>> [laughter]
1:00:53>> I'm going to check up. I made a video in
1:00:55like '06. I wonder if it's blown up yet.
1:00:57It was called uh Wipeout Big Balls. Hell
1:01:00yeah. I used the camera to record
1:01:01Wipeout. It's like 8 seconds long.
1:01:04[clears throat] Guy running across with
1:01:04big balls.
1:01:06And uh yeah, I remember putting that on
1:01:07YouTube and being like
1:01:09Come on.
1:01:11>> What was your thought process? Were you
1:01:12like the world has to see this?
1:01:15>> I was like
1:01:17my mom bought me this little like flip
1:01:19camera
1:01:20and it had a YouTube sticker on it. I'm
1:01:22like, well, I guess I should make
1:01:24YouTube.
1:01:25And
1:01:26I thought the big balls were so awesome
1:01:28and funny.
1:01:29And
1:01:30yeah, I don't think it had any audio.
1:01:32>> [laughter]
1:01:32>> It's like
1:01:34I was like me cracking up like
1:01:37>> [laughter]
1:01:37>> Look at him run across the big balls.
1:01:40And yeah, I was like, this has got to do
1:01:43some numbers.
1:01:44>> I love [ __ ] like that, man. Cuz I love I
1:01:46love the thought process. Like I I did
1:01:48that, too. I like I filmed like Simpsons
1:01:51clips off of my TV. And they were like I
1:01:54purposely I remember I purposely chose
1:01:56the ones that I think would make me look
1:01:57smart.
1:01:58I like I like would would wait for like
1:02:00the funny moments that were like just
1:02:03high-brow enough that I understood them.
1:02:05Like just Sorry, just low-brow enough
1:02:07that I understood them, but just
1:02:08high-brow enough that people would be
1:02:09impressed. And I would just film my
1:02:11screen and put them on YouTube. And I
1:02:13called my I tried to act all grown-up on
1:02:15YouTube being all like, "Uh my my
1:02:17favorite anecdote from the Matt
1:02:20Groening's The Simpsons."
1:02:22>> [laughter]
1:02:23>> Marge
1:02:24chokes Bart because he loves him. He's
1:02:27so angry.
1:02:29>> [laughter]
1:02:31>> Bart is kind of a bad boy in this
1:02:33episode.
1:02:35>> I like how your sophisticated your
1:02:38attempts at at being sophisticated is
1:02:40The Simpsons.
1:02:41>> [laughter]
1:02:41>> That was your
1:02:42>> I was like seven. I thought that was
1:02:44smart.
1:02:44>> Yeah.
1:02:46Yeah, I mean, our our brains were mush
1:02:48back then.
1:02:48>> Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I mean
1:02:50>> back then.
1:02:51>> [laughter]
1:02:51>> Yeah.
1:02:53>> I'm glad there were I didn't have like a
1:02:55very uh
1:02:57video tape childhood cuz I used to bring
1:02:59kind of like that kid at that
1:03:00restaurant, but mine was the plastic
1:03:03lightsabers.
1:03:05And my friend and I would bring those
1:03:06like everywhere.
1:03:08And
1:03:09there's like one picture on Facebook my
1:03:11mom took. And I remember at the time I
1:03:13was like a little too old. And I was
1:03:15mortified because I you know, I had like
1:03:17crushes and stuff. And she posted a
1:03:19video where
1:03:21in Indianapolis, they had an event and
1:03:22we went to it. And my friend and I were
1:03:24like, "Well, of course we got to bring
1:03:25the lightsabers." And we just had like a
1:03:27big duel in front of [laughter] a bunch
1:03:29of people. And she took a picture and I
1:03:31remember it like in the moment being
1:03:32like, "This is so badass."
1:03:34>> [laughter]
1:03:35>> And then looking at the picture, I'm
1:03:36just like
1:03:37I just stopped with it. And I'm like 13
1:03:40years old [laughter]
1:03:41>> You're like way too old for it. Yeah.
1:03:43>> I just feel like, "Oh, fuck."
1:03:45>> I had that moment with um when I was in
1:03:48middle school, I went to like a kid's
1:03:49birthday party and my my crush was
1:03:52there.
1:03:53And I remember like I was playing I was
1:03:55playing Magic the Gathering.
1:03:57>> Oh. [clears throat]
1:03:58>> At this birthday party with the birthday
1:04:00boy. And like while we were playing, I
1:04:03like
1:04:05I looked over and she's like watching us
1:04:07like, "What the [ __ ] are you nerds
1:04:08doing?" And I don't think I touched
1:04:10Magic the Gathering ever again.
1:04:12I think
1:04:13>> Aw, sad.
1:04:13>> Until all of the sudden I heard like, I
1:04:16don't know, like 5 years ago everybody's
1:04:17like, "Oh, Magic the Gathering cards."
1:04:19I'm like, "That's still a game?" I
1:04:21didn't even realize it was still a
1:04:22thing.
1:04:23The last time I saw them was when I was
1:04:24in like 6th grade, maybe.
1:04:27>> You got judged lightly one time and gave
1:04:29it up for life. [laughter]
1:04:31>> I had like an out-of-body experience
1:04:33where I was like, I look like a [ __ ]
1:04:34nerd right now with these stupid cards.
1:04:37>> [laughter]
1:04:38>> Just baseline, you probably didn't look
1:04:40great. And then adding in the cards,
1:04:42yeah.
1:04:42>> in the the cards and
1:04:45And we were like, you know, like there's
1:04:46not a single Magic the Gathering card
1:04:48that sounds like cool. It's always just
1:04:50like, "I hit you with my Goblin Goblin
1:04:52Crusader."
1:04:54>> So, did you have like a social cred in
1:04:56school
1:04:57when you were a kid? Did you Yeah, were
1:04:59you like were you on the pecking order?
1:05:01You know what I mean?
1:05:02>> No. I mean
1:05:04>> I wasn't. I was I was as outcast as you
1:05:07could be in in like in like we call it
1:05:09primary school and secondary school.
1:05:13>> Yeah, I don't know. I don't think I ever
1:05:15had any sort of like
1:05:17there was like the cool kids and there
1:05:19was always cliques and I was outside of
1:05:20all of them. And I think I've always
1:05:22operated outside of
1:05:24outside of social circles for the most
1:05:26part.
1:05:26>> That's alpha as [ __ ]
1:05:27>> Pretty sad from both of you.
1:05:29>> They should call me kid king [laughter]
1:05:31and uh
1:05:32I kind of had a coterie
1:05:34>> Yeah.
1:05:34>> bad boys who followed me around and
1:05:36would do my bidding.
1:05:37>> Yeah.
1:05:38>> You come on and brush fetch me my
1:05:40>> back wall.
1:05:40>> Yeah.
1:05:41>> You wouldn't even comb your own comb
1:05:43hair. You'd have people do it.
1:05:45>> Yeah.
1:05:46S M D. Style my do.
1:05:52I'd have a guy with just the wax, a guy
1:05:53with just the comb. [laughter]
1:05:56Couple ladies. I'd snap and they'd start
1:05:59following.
1:06:00>> Have you seen Luca?
1:06:02The like the Pixar movie?
1:06:04>> No.
1:06:05>> There's a guy like the bad guy, the bad
1:06:06boy in that movie which is as bad boy as
1:06:10an Italian can get. He has a Vespa.
1:06:13Apparently that's cool.
1:06:14>> have seen I have seen this.
1:06:15[clears throat] Yeah, yeah.
1:06:16>> I love how his little henchmen like his
1:06:17like bad boy thing is like bring me my
1:06:20sandwich and like his henchmen come over
1:06:22with like a 4-ft long sandwich.
1:06:25And they they give it to him. I'm like
1:06:27that's pretty badass. You just feel like
1:06:29bring me my sandwich and they know to
1:06:31present you with your big sub sub
1:06:33sandwich on your Vespa.
1:06:35>> If I had said that a guy would have got
1:06:37punched in the
1:06:38>> [laughter]
1:06:38>> doubled over.
1:06:40Sandwich me now.
1:06:44>> [laughter and gasps]
1:06:46>> I remember when that movie came out and
1:06:47it was before you had your mustache all
1:06:49the way in. I think I likened you to the
1:06:52to the bad guy from from Luca cuz he has
1:06:55like four mustache hairs.
1:06:57>> to look this up.
1:06:59>> Yeah. Uh Luca Luca bad guy.
1:07:01>> Luca bad boy. That's what I'm going to
1:07:03look up.
1:07:03>> Yeah, bad boy. His name's like Signor
1:07:05Vespa or something. Like he has an
1:07:07actual name, but they call him Senior
1:07:09Vespa.
1:07:10>> It's really cool. I mean, he's a step
1:07:12above me cuz I don't even have a Vespa
1:07:14and I don't even have
1:07:16>> a senior
1:07:16>> any means of transportation.
1:07:18>> [laughter]
1:07:19>> He looks He looks kind of uh
1:07:22Yeah. Yeah, there you go.
1:07:24That's a bad boy in Italy. [laughter]
1:07:27>> I do I've always wanted to pull off that
1:07:29little
1:07:30tied uh
1:07:32sweater over the shoulders.
1:07:33>> around the shoulders.
1:07:35>> Yeah. [laughter]
1:07:35>> Yeah.
1:07:36>> I remember I did that one time with a
1:07:38hoodie and when it was with my first
1:07:40time out of country and I was in Paris
1:07:43and uh
1:07:45Yeah, I felt like a total poser. It's
1:07:46like guy that starts wearing gloves or
1:07:49brings an umbrella for the first time,
1:07:51you know, it's like
1:07:52>> Yeah.
1:07:52>> Everyone was doing it, but I felt like
1:07:54they could tell.
1:07:55>> They It's not really that
1:07:56>> me being
1:07:56>> brings an umbrella? What's wrong with
1:07:58bringing an umbrella?
1:07:59>> It's like a big step the first time you
1:08:01start bringing an umbrella places if
1:08:03it's like a big umbrella.
1:08:05>> Or if you like put on like a pea coat.
1:08:07>> Yeah.
1:08:07>> they can tell
1:08:08>> They can tell you're not a pea coat guy.
1:08:10Like what are you doing with that? Take
1:08:11that off.
1:08:11>> My girlfriend's got me nice leather
1:08:13gloves for Christmas. When I put them
1:08:15on, I'm like, you [ __ ] idiot. Like
1:08:17everyone's going to [clears throat] know
1:08:17you're not a guy that wears gloves.
1:08:20>> Yeah, and then I pair it with my walking
1:08:22umbrella.
1:08:22>> Yeah.
1:08:23>> I feel like if I would put on leather
1:08:25gloves like uh people would like go in
1:08:28their cars and lock the doors.
1:08:29>> them.
1:08:30>> They're actually currently covering
1:08:31their
1:08:32>> [laughter]
1:08:34>> You guys are too self-conscious.
1:08:37>> No, it's absolutely
1:08:38>> No, it's not that. Everybody's looking
1:08:40and judging.
1:08:41>> It's absolutely [laughter] not that at
1:08:43all. It's a kind of a they are being
1:08:45malicious with their perception.
1:08:47>> Is that a
1:08:48>> Right again, Sam.
1:08:49>> Right again.
1:08:49>> Thank you.
1:08:51>> Yeah, I think it's healthy to put on
1:08:52something and go
1:08:54"Who the [ __ ] are you trying to be, you
1:08:55worm, you [ __ ] worm?" And then cry a
1:08:58little bit and then take it off and then
1:09:00hang it up in your closet.
1:09:02>> Yeah.
1:09:02>> And then anytime your your wife asks you
1:09:04about it, you go, "Oh, no, I love it,
1:09:06honey. I love it. It was actually a
1:09:07great purchase."
1:09:09And then just never wear it.
1:09:10>> I wore a pair of shorts yesterday that I
1:09:12used to wear all the time.
1:09:14And uh they must have shrunk in the wash
1:09:17or something cuz my girlfriend was like,
1:09:18"You cannot wear those outside. They're
1:09:20making you moose knuckle." And I looked
1:09:22down, I'm like, "Holy shit." It was
1:09:24[laughter] like I was wearing like a
1:09:26child's shorts.
1:09:27And I'm like, "I think they look kind of
1:09:30you know,
1:09:31kind of cool."
1:09:32>> I think moose knuckles are back,
1:09:33actually.
1:09:34>> Yeah.
1:09:35>> Well, and it was like
1:09:37so soft that uh
1:09:39it looked more like I had just like a
1:09:42maybe like one walnut at the very right
1:09:44by the button.
1:09:46>> [laughter]
1:09:47>> Looked like I had a growth or something.
1:09:49tumor
1:09:50And uh
1:09:52yeah, I was pretty sad. I'm like, "Oh,
1:09:53oh."
1:09:55>> [laughter]
1:09:55>> Yeah.
1:09:56>> Ouch.
1:09:58>> So uh
1:09:59>> You ever
1:10:00>> I'll go.
1:10:00>> Uh I was I was going to
1:10:01>> No, please, go.
1:10:02>> Okay.
1:10:03>> [laughter]
1:10:03>> If you allow me.
1:10:05Um
1:10:08I forget what I was going to say.
1:10:09>> dynamic. You both are like subservient
1:10:11to each other.
1:10:12You're like both
1:10:13>> Well, it's cuz we're so we're so [ __ ]
1:10:15courteous to each other. Yeah.
1:10:18>> Full manners.
1:10:18>> Yeah.
1:10:19>> Yeah.
1:10:20>> But anyways, I was going to ask you
1:10:21about your band and stuff. You got
1:10:23>> Okay. Yeah.
1:10:25>> Yeah. Are you guys
1:10:26>> Was that your question?
1:10:27>> Well, yeah, basically it was like, you
1:10:30know,
1:10:31obviously I do want to touch on the the
1:10:34the fall of
1:10:36Wilbur on YouTube. But then
1:10:40as a great like recovery,
1:10:43I feel like you pivoted to music.
1:10:46And
1:10:47they don't seem to care a whole lot
1:10:50about
1:10:52you being canceled.
1:10:55>> Well, no, it was it was one of the
1:10:58hardest things I've had to do in my
1:11:00career, I think, was was that, yeah. But
1:11:03like, no, I I don't think I pivoted at
1:11:05all. I'm I'm doing the same stuff I
1:11:08I've always wanted to like been doing, I
1:11:10think, from the start. Nothing's
1:11:11Nothing's really changed apart from
1:11:15>> What are you talking about? That's
1:11:16>> apart from people's perception of me.
1:11:18>> A Minecraft SMP is a completely like big
1:11:22streamer circle jerk.
1:11:24>> Yeah, yeah.
1:11:24>> It's a huge different thing from being
1:11:27musician guy that goes touring with
1:11:29band. That is
1:11:31>> But I
1:11:31>> The only similarity is that you're the
1:11:33guy that's doing both those things.
1:11:35>> Yeah, I guess I guess it's more the fact
1:11:38that I was already doing music far
1:11:41before any any accusations were ever
1:11:44made against you. You know, I've I've
1:11:45always been I've always been doing music
1:11:47and and I'd I'd already phased out
1:11:49Minecraft at that point, so it's I don't
1:11:52know. It's I I like to pride myself that
1:11:54I've always been very true to myself in
1:11:56my in my content and and in my God,
1:11:59that's the [ __ ] wankiest thing I've
1:12:01ever said. I've always been true to
1:12:02myself in my content. But you know what
1:12:05I mean? Like
1:12:06>> I've always hated the term content.
1:12:08>> Yeah.
1:12:10Oh, [ __ ] hell, yeah.
1:12:11>> But I guess like it's it's such a broad
1:12:13range of things that are made a lot of
1:12:16the times now that people, instead of,
1:12:19you know, specializing in one thing,
1:12:21they have to just go like, "My content."
1:12:24>> Yeah, it's a bit myopic, isn't it? Like
1:12:26you've just got to You've got to make it
1:12:28as vague yet reduced as you possibly
1:12:31can, so that it's mainly it's I think
1:12:33it's mainly so that the people who do
1:12:36[ __ ] [clears throat] all can pretend
1:12:38they're not doing [ __ ] all, cuz there's
1:12:40a difference between being like, "Oh,
1:12:42I'm a YouTuber." I'm like, okay, I know
1:12:43exactly what you do and I have, you
1:12:45know, everyone's building their own
1:12:46image of everyone in their heads all the
1:12:48time, you know? So if you go like, "I'm
1:12:49a YouTuber." Everyone's nice, but
1:12:51everyone's going,
1:12:52>> [laughter]
1:12:52>> everyone's going, "Oh, he's making
1:12:55YouTube videos." And if someone's going,
1:12:57"Oh, I'm a Twitch streamer." It's like
1:12:58he's he's probably playing video games.
1:13:00I kind of get a vibe of what he's going
1:13:02to be doing on stream, you know? If
1:13:03someone says they're a Kick streamer,
1:13:04you go, "Right, I know you how different
1:13:06you are from a Twitch streamer, you
1:13:07know?" But then there are some people
1:13:09who don't just don't do [ __ ]
1:13:10anything. They just [ __ ] have a
1:13:12social media account and they just like
1:13:15kind of just
1:13:18I don't [laughter] know. They just kind
1:13:19of
1:13:19>> Like yeah, just like post memes and
1:13:21[ __ ]
1:13:21>> Yeah, and to them
1:13:23>> dog [ __ ]
1:13:24>> Yeah, and it's it's they would much
1:13:25rather say, "I make content
1:13:28than I make
1:13:30blank or X or Y, you know?" And there's
1:13:33nothing wrong with being the guy that
1:13:35posts dog memes online, but like, you
1:13:38know, own it, bro. Be like, "Yeah, I'm
1:13:39the guy who posts dog memes." I used to
1:13:41do I used to have a Facebook account
1:13:43>> Mhm.
1:13:43>> I met a guy in Vegas that was very
1:13:45unabashed. He was like, "I'm a
1:13:46propagandist on Twitter." [laughter]
1:13:49And he just all he did was just advocate
1:13:51for like uh the NRA or something and
1:13:54like weird Trump [ __ ] And he was like,
1:13:56"Yeah, that's what I do. I just like
1:13:59I just like slander like libs online and
1:14:01then try to get like retweets for the
1:14:03Republican Party."
1:14:05And he just called himself a
1:14:06propagandist and I was like, "That's
1:14:08very like
1:14:10it's very like a very uh honest,
1:14:13truthful [snorts] like
1:14:15>> It's honest, I guess? It's not like I
1:14:16wouldn't call it an honest living.
1:14:18>> No, I feel like he was being
1:14:20>> honest about how like scummy it was.
1:14:22>> Mhm.
1:14:22>> He was like, "I'm a propagandist." Like
1:14:24and and the way he described it was very
1:14:26honest. Like
1:14:28he knew it was like
1:14:29kind of like a worm a worm career.
1:14:33>> [laughter]
1:14:33>> But
1:14:35>> So this is why I'm saying he was
1:14:36he was very he was he was blunt and
1:14:38honest and even though he was a worm
1:14:40he was he was the alpha worm. He was the
1:14:43worm that hears the thunderstorm and
1:14:44goes, "Fuck yeah, I love rain." As
1:14:46opposed to the one scared of drowning,
1:14:48you know?
1:14:49>> Yeah.
1:14:50So, how long after you got canceled
1:14:54did you did you have to go in hiding for
1:14:56a while?
1:14:57>> Um not by choice.
1:15:00Just kind of by
1:15:02survival necessity, I suppose. There was
1:15:05a
1:15:05>> Yeah.
1:15:06>> There was a lot going on, especially
1:15:07like around my family and stuff at that
1:15:09point. So, it was
1:15:11>> How did your family find out?
1:15:13>> No, no, they didn't find out, but people
1:15:15were
1:15:16I just I don't want to be like
1:15:17sub-storying, but you know, it was like
1:15:19there was there was a lot of people who
1:15:20were trying to
1:15:22get me from different angles and and,
1:15:24you know,
1:15:25it's and some of it worked, you know?
1:15:27Some of it Some people got through to
1:15:28different, you know, the word doxing
1:15:30thrown around a lot, you know, but
1:15:32>> Yeah.
1:15:33>> Yeah, I I took I took some time I I took
1:15:35like maybe 3 months off, I think, after
1:15:38after it sort of blew I'm I'm I'm had to
1:15:40miss Coachella. I was scheduled to play
1:15:42Coachella that year.
1:15:44Uh
1:15:45and I took I had to miss that just for
1:15:47my own like
1:15:48sanity, I suppose. Like I the idea of
1:15:50going up on a stage in like this midst
1:15:53of all this.
1:15:55And um and yeah, it was in that time
1:15:56away, I kind of was able to
1:15:59conceptualize the idea of what a public
1:16:03identity is, you know? What a what a
1:16:05public-facing persona is and and I and I
1:16:08suppose there's a there's a lot of
1:16:10treating your audience like a mirror.
1:16:12You know? Like you you you you make
1:16:14something good and your audience are
1:16:16going, "Woohoo! Yay! Great! Do more of
1:16:18that, you know?" And then then you feel
1:16:19good cuz you're like, "Oh, I'm great,
1:16:21you know? Oh, I'm doing amazing." And
1:16:23then you make something bad and
1:16:24everyone's going, "Boo! Boo!" And you
1:16:26go, "Oh, I feel awful, you know?" And
1:16:27so, you start treating your audience
1:16:29like a mirror. And when you've been
1:16:31doing that since you were 21 years old,
1:16:33it's like, you know, it's so ingrained
1:16:35in your head that like how people look
1:16:37at you is how you should feel and how
1:16:40you are. And really, it's just not true.
1:16:42And like I I think it was you actually
1:16:44that was saying this the other day. You
1:16:45were like, you know, you know who you
1:16:47are. You've got your wife and your kids
1:16:49and stuff. And it's like, you know, who
1:16:50gives a [ __ ] what people think about you
1:16:52online at that point, you know? And I I
1:16:55really respect that. I think I'm I think
1:16:56I'm I'm on a very similar thought path
1:16:59to you there.
1:17:00>> Oh, good. Cuz if you paid attention to
1:17:02what people said about you, you'd
1:17:03probably be really upset.
1:17:05I um
1:17:07Well, I I
1:17:08>> [laughter]
1:17:09>> I'm sorry. I used I used Gemini to do a
1:17:12lot of research for the podcast because
1:17:13>> Gemini?
1:17:14>> Yeah, Gemini.
1:17:16>> Yeah, Google Gemini.
1:17:17>> It's a lot easier than actually sifting
1:17:18through stuff.
1:17:19>> Yeah, it's a lot easier than actually
1:17:20doing your job.
1:17:20>> Cuz he's so busy.
1:17:21>> Yeah.
1:17:22>> And I was like I was like, "Wilbur
1:17:24Soot." And it was just like, "This guy's
1:17:26going to [ __ ] He's going to eat your
1:17:27face off.
1:17:29He's going to bite you as soon as you
1:17:30get in."
1:17:32And that was That's like the big
1:17:33takeaway from what I
1:17:36learned
1:17:37of the Wilbur controversy
1:17:39>> hour
1:17:40>> So,
1:17:41um of research.
1:17:42>> My hours Not hours of research, the the
1:17:44initial like when I heard you got
1:17:46canceled,
1:17:48I think the big thing that I heard
1:17:52that stuck with me
1:17:54was that you bite you bite ladies.
1:17:57>> Hm.
1:17:58>> And then the ladies say,
1:18:00"No more." And you go,
1:18:03"I'm going to bite a little bit more.
1:18:04I'm going to bite a little bit more than
1:18:06you want me to."
1:18:07And that's that's stuck with me because
1:18:10>> Hm.
1:18:11>> that's a very specific thing to be
1:18:13canceled for.
1:18:14>> Hm.
1:18:14>> And
1:18:16I
1:18:17if you don't mind, would like to ask you
1:18:19some questions about it.
1:18:21>> What about the depths of relationship I
1:18:24had 4 years ago?
1:18:27>> No, not the relationship. I don't care
1:18:28about the relationship.
1:18:29>> You want to You want to know about the
1:18:31biting?
1:18:33>> Bingo.
1:18:34>> Yeah, hit the nail on the head. Yeah.
1:18:36>> I
1:18:37don't really
1:18:38I don't really know what there is to say
1:18:40publicly about it. I don't really want
1:18:42to share anything with anyone. I've
1:18:45shared everything I want to say. If you
1:18:46if you maybe maybe next time don't ask
1:18:48Gemini.
1:18:49>> [laughter]
1:18:51>> Cuz I've
1:18:51>> Well, no. Gemini gave me a much more
1:18:53rounded view of what you got canceled
1:18:55for.
1:18:56>> Mhm.
1:18:56>> But like it when I told my friends like,
1:18:58"Hey, I'm having like Wilbur on." It's
1:19:00first time I've talked to him in years
1:19:01since he got canceled.
1:19:03>> Mhm.
1:19:03>> They would go, "Isn't that the guy that
1:19:05bit those ladies?"
1:19:06>> Yes.
1:19:06>> And that was like that's everybody's
1:19:07like knee-jerk thing.
1:19:09>> Mhm. [clears throat]
1:19:09>> It's just a very specific thing to be
1:19:12to be canceled for.
1:19:13>> Yeah, I I and I get people's curiosity
1:19:15cuz it's like it is such an emotional
1:19:17hook, isn't it? It's such an easy like
1:19:19you can grab that, you know? You can
1:19:21really you can really understand that
1:19:23that that angle. It's like, "Oh,
1:19:25interesting. Emotional connection. I'm
1:19:27I'm I'm locked into this drama, you
1:19:29know?" And so it's like I totally I
1:19:31totally understand people's people's
1:19:33curiosity with it, you know? But I I
1:19:35think and I'm not averse to never
1:19:36speaking about it ever. But it's one of
1:19:38those things where it's like I I don't
1:19:40know. It's still for for people on the
1:19:42internet it was a it was something they
1:19:45thought a lot of them thought was funny
1:19:472 and 1/2 years ago, you know? It was a
1:19:49it was something that was humorous to a
1:19:50lot of people 2 and 1/2 years ago even
1:19:52if they even if they claimed it was like
1:19:55outrage. A lot of people were finding a
1:19:57lot of comedy in it and and and mocking
1:19:59it, which I which may actually make me
1:20:00feel a bit sick at the time, I remember.
1:20:02And it was like the for me that's been
1:20:05kind of my life for 2 and 1/2 years, you
1:20:08know? That's been what I've been kind of
1:20:10like having to wrangle with in my
1:20:12day-to-day most days is that image that
1:20:15perception that's been painted of me. Um
1:20:18and I'm sure one day I will want to talk
1:20:20about it, but it's just too it's still
1:20:23too raw. It's still I know 2 and 1/2
1:20:24years is such a long time, but it's like
1:20:27for me that's still very raw, I think.
1:20:28And and I'm I'm happy with what I've
1:20:30said. I'm happy with what I've said so
1:20:32far and I I'm I don't have anything to
1:20:34expand on it just yet, I don't think.
1:20:36Sorry, Sam.
1:20:37>> I
1:20:38I guess if it's like such a personal
1:20:39kink, it's like yeah, you don't want to
1:20:41explain yourself.
1:20:42>> It's not It's not necessarily a kink
1:20:44thing.
1:20:46>> Okay.
1:20:47The uh
1:20:48>> What about [laughter] You tried to
1:20:49You tried this earlier. You were trying
1:20:51to paint it as some kind of kink.
1:20:53>> It
1:20:54It has to be. It has to.
1:20:56>> [laughter]
1:20:57>> Um in the Okay, so just like completely
1:21:00hypothetical. I think like one of the
1:21:01biggest things that I'm interested in is
1:21:06the Well, one, you got canceled, right?
1:21:09And [clears throat] you're still alive,
1:21:10you haven't killed yourself. That's big.
1:21:13Cuz I tried to kill myself and you
1:21:14>> people, I think. I think that that It
1:21:16trended on Twitter my birthday when I
1:21:17was when I stopped being 27. People were
1:21:20like, "Damn, we'll miss the 27 club."
1:21:22Like people were like celebrating the
1:21:24idea that I was going to join the 27
1:21:26club.
1:21:27>> The ego that people think that they can
1:21:29join the 27 club.
1:21:31>> [laughter]
1:21:31>> It's like
1:21:32>> Yeah.
1:21:32>> You know, like if I kill myself I'm
1:21:34trying to join the club.
1:21:35Like if I blow my head off at 27, like
1:21:37what? I'm hanging out with like all
1:21:39those guys?
1:21:40>> Mhm.
1:21:40>> No way. I'm not in that
1:21:41>> Tupac.
1:21:42>> Yeah, I'm not like elevated to that
1:21:44status. Like I feel like people that try
1:21:45to kill themselves and join that club.
1:21:47>> get in the club.
1:21:48>> Yeah, it's like [ __ ] off, dude. Kill
1:21:50yourself at 28. That's a little bit of
1:21:52hubris.
1:21:52>> Like in my part of the club?
1:21:54>> Yeah.
1:21:55No, you're No.
1:21:56>> We'd all be hanging out in heaven.
1:21:59>> [laughter]
1:22:00>> Yeah. I just turned 28, so now if I do
1:22:03it, it's like kind of
1:22:05like
1:22:06>> missed the boat.
1:22:06>> You know, like a little punk.
1:22:08>> Yeah.
1:22:08>> Yeah.
1:22:09>> Well, now now it's where you should be.
1:22:10Just like a regular
1:22:13depressed
1:22:14>> depressed kill yourself person. Like
1:22:16>> Yeah.
1:22:16>> Killing yourself to join the club, it's
1:22:18like how much ego do you have? But then
1:22:20at the same time it's contrasted by you
1:22:23killing yourself, you know? So it's like
1:22:25a
1:22:26I don't know. It's like those people
1:22:27that like want to be eternalized and so
1:22:29they do some final grand gesture, but
1:22:31the grand gesture is just like
1:22:34>> [snorts]
1:22:35>> throwing yourself in an oven or
1:22:36whatever. Like It seems like an odd way
1:22:39of getting glory, you know?
1:22:41>> I like how I like how Bowie
1:22:44Bowie's got my personal favorite one, I
1:22:45think. Blackstar by Bowie, which was
1:22:47written
1:22:48>> Blackstar was incredible.
1:22:49>> Yeah, when he knew he was gone when he
1:22:50knew he was on the way out.
1:22:52I was like that was that that in my
1:22:54opinion Lazarus as a song is still It
1:22:56makes me cry, bro. When they're "By the
1:22:58time I got to New York" Oh man, it's so
1:23:01good. That's That's how you do it.
1:23:03That's how you legitimize yourself.
1:23:05>> um
1:23:06Mozart's Requiem, I think is something
1:23:09similar where he knew he was dying and
1:23:11it was his last thing and so he was
1:23:13writing it.
1:23:15Yeah. Um
1:23:16>> Oh man, makes me feel like when I'm like
1:23:18when I reach that age where I'm like
1:23:20it's going to happen soon, I'm going to
1:23:21be scrambling. I've got no [laughter]
1:23:23grand plan. I'm going to be like I just
1:23:25took the world's biggest dump for an old
1:23:27guy. Post to Twitter.
1:23:29>> Yeah.
1:23:29>> And then just like that.
1:23:31>> [laughter]
1:23:31>> Yeah. Well, I remember when Bowie's
1:23:33Blackstar came out, there was a lot of
1:23:35people that listened to it and they were
1:23:36like
1:23:37Nah.
1:23:38>> Yeah, I remember that too. Yeah.
1:23:40>> Yeah. There was a lot of people that
1:23:41were like he knew he was dying and this
1:23:43is what he made? This sucks.
1:23:45>> Mhm.
1:23:46>> For real.
1:23:47>> Yeah.
1:23:48Um Oh, but anyways, yeah. So you you got
1:23:50canceled in in in the wake of it you
1:23:53have then since pivoted
1:23:56a little bit and built yourself back up.
1:23:59You're touring and stuff. You've done
1:24:00tours since then.
1:24:02And my question is
1:24:05is that
1:24:07in the future
1:24:08there is obviously there's going to be
1:24:10some point where I get canceled for
1:24:12something. By the way, I think it's
1:24:14incredible that I've made it
1:24:16>> Well.
1:24:16>> a longer than you and not get canceled.
1:24:18That is
1:24:19>> Mhm.
1:24:19>> a testament to any more Minecraft
1:24:21>> I've made one public apology.
1:24:23>> One public apology, but it's like it was
1:24:25it wasn't that bad.
1:24:27>> What did you apologize for something?
1:24:29>> And we made fun of a guy and then it
1:24:31turned out he was like
1:24:32>> It was actually pretty bad.
1:24:33>> Yeah, yeah, he was terminally ill.
1:24:35>> I do think about that like
1:24:38Hey, but yeah.
1:24:39>> I I have dude, I have things I've made
1:24:41I've made public apologies for stuff and
1:24:43I've I've it's stuck with me like like
1:24:46from like Minecraft times and stuff.
1:24:48>> Is he still is he still around? I see I
1:24:50get his YouTube recommendations.
1:24:52>> Yeah.
1:24:53>> I think and I feel like I got like
1:24:55the penance stare from Ghost Rider every
1:24:57time I see one. [laughter]
1:24:59Like somebody just like grabbed me by
1:25:00the face and melted my brain out.
1:25:02>> Yeah.
1:25:03>> Um but yeah, Sam does need some good
1:25:05tips probably.
1:25:05>> Well, I was I was saying like things
1:25:07that you think work and things that
1:25:09didn't work in terms of rehabilitating
1:25:12image and or coming back.
1:25:15Like hypothetical, let's say I get super
1:25:16[clears throat] canceled. What are some
1:25:18as canceled guy tips that you would give
1:25:22me?
1:25:23>> Well, I
1:25:24>> Not necessarily saying I'm biting
1:25:25people, but
1:25:26>> Yeah, I can't I can't I can't
1:25:27>> like just get canceled for saying
1:25:29something.
1:25:29>> I've no idea about rehabilitation
1:25:31[clears throat]
1:25:31of your image, man. That's not that's
1:25:33>> [laughter]
1:25:34>> I'm the worst person to ask there. I'm
1:25:36I'm in my opinion, it's all about
1:25:38rehabilitation of your brain after that.
1:25:40I just don't think I don't think the
1:25:42human brain is designed to deal with
1:25:44mass shame, be it for
1:25:47be it for something you've actually done
1:25:48or for something that has been, you
1:25:50know, accused of you. I don't think that
1:25:52that mass shaming ever works for people
1:25:55and it's like, you know, there's a
1:25:56reason we outlawed the pillory and the
1:25:59and you know, the stocks and you know, I
1:26:00mean it was only in the 1920s people
1:26:02would have to wear a big sign around
1:26:04their neck saying I'm a thief and had to
1:26:05walk around town. They did test. I read
1:26:07a book um
1:26:09uh who's the guy who wrote Men Who Stare
1:26:11at Goats? What was his name? Ron
1:26:13Ron Johnson? Ron something like it. It's
1:26:15Jon Jon Ronson?
1:26:17Something is the name like that.
1:26:18>> John Ronson doesn't sound right, but
1:26:20>> It is something like that. He He has a
1:26:22book called So You've Been Publicly
1:26:24Shamed, which I would recommend. It's
1:26:25It's a really good read. And in it he
1:26:28talks about a few studies they did on
1:26:30people who actually had had these huge
1:26:32public shaming things back in the past.
1:26:34And they stopped developing a lot of
1:26:36them. A lot of these, especially like
1:26:38young people, like teenagers who had
1:26:40these massive bouts of And we're talking
1:26:42communities of like hundreds of people
1:26:43at this point, not internet communities
1:26:45of millions, right? These people would
1:26:47have these like, you know, they would be
1:26:49accused of stealing, accused of
1:26:50whatever, and put in these like stocks,
1:26:53put in these like made to put in the
1:26:55newspapers as like, "Don't hire this
1:26:57guy, you know." And they went back and
1:26:59and like interviewed these people and
1:27:00and they they they showed like their
1:27:03development kind of ended the moment
1:27:05they were publicly shamed. And um
1:27:07I find it really interesting cuz I don't
1:27:08think the human brain is built for it. I
1:27:10think we're all deep down scared of
1:27:12being shunned from our communities and
1:27:14fed to the wolves, you know? So it's
1:27:16like
1:27:17So when you say, "How do you
1:27:18rehabilitate an image?" I don't think
1:27:20that's that's the I think that's the
1:27:21wrong line of questioning. I think it
1:27:23should be, "How do you save yourself
1:27:25from stop stopping having your energy,
1:27:28stopping having your drive, stopping
1:27:29stopping your own ability to grow and
1:27:31and and change and, you know, be a be a
1:27:34human being?"
1:27:35>> Sam would ever have that problem.
1:27:36>> No. [laughter]
1:27:37>> Honestly. And also you're right, it is
1:27:39Jon Ronson.
1:27:40>> It's Jon Ronson. Yeah, I thought so.
1:27:41>> what? Going back, it's like you survived
1:27:43a crow court.
1:27:45>> That's even more I
1:27:47>> No, I was going to make a crow court
1:27:48[laughter] joke back then, but we hadn't
1:27:50broached the topic yet, so
1:27:52>> Maybe the crows would have been fairer.
1:27:54>> It's a little I mean, it worked for
1:27:56what, Cersei Lannister when she was
1:27:58shamed, right? She became the queen
1:27:59after.
1:28:00>> I think so, yeah.
1:28:02I think she brought down a She brought
1:28:04down a
1:28:04>> She blew up a church.
1:28:06>> yeah.
1:28:06That's kind of a good guy move.
1:28:08>> I I found a lot of interest in in things
1:28:11about shaming and stuff recently though.
1:28:13It's been very interesting to me, yeah.
1:28:15>> I actually I think almost the opposite
1:28:18where
1:28:19the I I do agree like shame is such a
1:28:22a poor motivator
1:28:25during development. But once you're an
1:28:28adult
1:28:29I think collective community shaming
1:28:32is an incredible tool. And I I love it.
1:28:34But I I like shaming in a way that um
1:28:39let's say I think we spoke about this
1:28:41recently Poob, but there's uh
1:28:43Have you seen
1:28:44>> I'm sure I'll remember.
1:28:45>> Yeah, have you seen the um
1:28:47like when you there's like a heavy
1:28:49drinking culture in Japan. And so like
1:28:52after work like the the salary men will
1:28:54go out and drink with their boss and
1:28:56stuff. And then if you get too drunk
1:28:58public intoxication's a huge no-no over
1:29:01there.
1:29:02And so
1:29:04guys that get really drunk and then they
1:29:06end up falling asleep on the sidewalk
1:29:08passerby will come by and they'll give
1:29:10them a bottle of water. Like, "Oh, you
1:29:12need water. You're too drunk. You need
1:29:13to you know, so you don't get a
1:29:15hangover." And but people as they come
1:29:18by everybody will leave bottles of water
1:29:20bottles of water. And so then when they
1:29:22wake up in the morning sometimes there's
1:29:24pictures of these guys on the sidewalk
1:29:26and they'll have like 40 bottles of
1:29:27water.
1:29:28And it's kind of like, "Yeah, your
1:29:30community's looking out for you." But
1:29:31they're also shaming you cuz when you
1:29:33see a guy walking with 40 different
1:29:34bottles of water you know he was
1:29:37he has to do something with them. He
1:29:39can't just walk away and
1:29:40leave them there.
1:29:41>> They don't let you litter [laughter]
1:29:41over there cuz Japan famously has like
1:29:43no suicides.
1:29:44>> Yeah.
1:29:45>> Yeah.
1:29:46>> Yeah, I don't think I don't think we're
1:29:47on the same page. I don't think I don't
1:29:49think I don't think public shaming
1:29:51>> You don't think [laughter] that I think
1:29:53he would second guess that [ __ ] He was
1:29:54like, "That was really annoying having
1:29:55to carry around all those [ __ ]
1:29:56bottles of water and do something with
1:29:58them." And then like the walk of shame
1:29:59of just like carrying all those
1:30:01>> But if you drink all of them your
1:30:02belly's going to
1:30:03>> But I'm not Yeah, but then you got to
1:30:05think like
1:30:06you know, is this person drinking
1:30:08because they just think yeah, I want to
1:30:10get really drunk and fall asleep on the
1:30:11street or do they have a problem, you
1:30:13know, do they have an alcohol problem,
1:30:15do they have addiction, you know, and
1:30:17shaming as a form of addiction
1:30:19management is is
1:30:21>> Yeah.
1:30:22>> Yeah.
1:30:23>> Yeah, but like what
1:30:25I mean what what's the alternative just
1:30:26going like hey dude, you're drunk on the
1:30:28sidewalk. That's awesome.
1:30:30>> I think
1:30:31>> That's [ __ ] so cool and we love you
1:30:32>> Or I mean I think a court is the right
1:30:34way a court of of of a judge and a jury
1:30:37and then a prosecution and an ability to
1:30:39defend an ability to defend yourself an
1:30:41ability to you know
1:30:44raise it in front of in front of a small
1:30:46jury of your peers who can then make a
1:30:48verdict based on your crimes. I think
1:30:50that's the way
1:30:51>> worse than just getting the subtle
1:30:53message of a couple bottles of water.
1:30:55>> I guess yeah, it depends on the scale, I
1:30:56guess, yeah.
1:30:57>> Yeah.
1:30:58And I guess like a big finger wagging
1:31:00and a communal finger wagging and like
1:31:02[clears throat] you know, pillory is
1:31:04like that's a much more aggressive form
1:31:06of shaming than just like the subtle
1:31:09like hey dude
1:31:12you're drinking too much. Bottle of
1:31:13water. Yeah, bottle of water next it's a
1:31:15it's a subtle message, but it's one
1:31:17that's that's conveyed with like a
1:31:19you're going to need this like it's
1:31:21almost like a friendly gesture
1:31:22>> Yeah.
1:31:23>> that can be
1:31:25I think
1:31:25>> You know what I mean? I'd be in a rage
1:31:27>> There's ways to shame [laughter]
1:31:30You know what I mean?
1:31:34>> This better be vodka. I'm going to kill
1:31:35somebody. [laughter]
1:31:38I'd go crazy.
1:31:39>> there's different ways of shaming is my
1:31:41point.
1:31:41>> Yeah, yeah.
1:31:42>> And there's some that are more
1:31:43aggressive than others.
1:31:44>> There's nuanced shame.
1:31:45>> Yeah, there's nuanced shame.
1:31:47>> Yeah.
1:31:48And I think I think shaming what's weird
1:31:51is like
1:31:52like people that [clears throat] beat
1:31:52their kids like spanking their kids. I
1:31:55don't think that's okay.
1:31:57>> No.
1:31:57>> Until they get to teenagers.
1:31:59And then all of a sudden
1:32:02there's nothing more embarrassing than
1:32:03getting spanked as a teenager.
1:32:05And it's it's not [clears throat] even
1:32:06like a
1:32:07>> This This happened to you?
1:32:09>> Oh my god, dude. Yeah.
1:32:10>> Yeah, as a teenager?
1:32:11>> As a teenager, yeah.
1:32:12>> Oh my god. Well, no. I got I got spanked
1:32:15my entire childhood.
1:32:17>> [ __ ]
1:32:18>> Yeah, but
1:32:18>> I can tell.
1:32:19>> But as a teenager, like I I remember um
1:32:22one of my brother's friends was
1:32:23horrific. He was really acting out in
1:32:26front of his friends trying to show off
1:32:27in front of his dad.
1:32:29His dad pulled his pants down and
1:32:30spanked him bare ass in front of like
1:32:32his friends and his girlfriend was
1:32:34there.
1:32:35And it just [snorts] like his dad was
1:32:37like, "I don't know what the [ __ ] got
1:32:38into you, but
1:32:40you you spank it out of you." Yeah, I'm
1:32:42going to spank it. And the the kid was
1:32:43like, "Shit, dude. That was like a
1:32:45transformative moment in my life."
1:32:47>> [ __ ] That would change everything.
1:32:48>> That would change everything. Yeah.
1:32:50>> Especially for guys already low on the
1:32:52pecking order. If I got spanked
1:32:54>> Not only would it just like re it just
1:32:56like check you and your family dynamic,
1:32:58but that would check the [ __ ] out of
1:32:59your family dynamic. You'd be like
1:33:01>> That would change a lot. And that would
1:33:03be brought up for the rest of your life.
1:33:05>> And it would Yeah. And your [ __ ]
1:33:06confidence, man. It just completely
1:33:09kills your confidence, man.
1:33:10>> down too far and showed it like
1:33:12>> Did you Did you like
1:33:12>> And then she sees your micro penis and
1:33:14then they spank you.
1:33:15>> [laughter]
1:33:16>> Good god.
1:33:17It's horrible.
1:33:19>> Yeah. Crunching the worm.
1:33:21>> That's horrible.
1:33:22>> So, when you were being spanked, Sam,
1:33:23did you feel it made you less confident?
1:33:25Do you feel like it made you feel like
1:33:27you were less invincible, less able to
1:33:29do anything when you were being shamed
1:33:31by your family and like physically?
1:33:36>> I don't know.
1:33:37>> Have you been spanked in front of Abby?
1:33:39>> No. [laughter]
1:33:40>> No.
1:33:42No. No.
1:33:44>> [laughter]
1:33:44>> There's no way.
1:33:45No way.
1:33:47Um I would get like the older I got I
1:33:49definitely got like guilt tripped into
1:33:51stuff, but no. I think like spanking was
1:33:53usually You know, I'm a boy and then I
1:33:56I had my brother, so between the two of
1:33:58us we were like just unruly.
1:34:01You know?
1:34:02And for
1:34:03for boys for some reason it was just
1:34:05like I feel like they have to be like
1:34:07checked more with like
1:34:10like
1:34:11>> What's up?
1:34:11>> No. Like yeah, sometimes you just have
1:34:13to like body check a boy and just be
1:34:15like
1:34:16you're going to have to play by the
1:34:18rules, kiddo, because I can grind you
1:34:20into dust and you're a worm and you live
1:34:21under my roof. Um girls I feel like you
1:34:24can like
1:34:26talk to a little bit [snorts] more.
1:34:28You know?
1:34:29>> Do you want to talk about it or
1:34:31>> [laughter]
1:34:31>> You weren't very quiet.
1:34:34>> When was the last time you were spanked?
1:34:36How old were you?
1:34:38>> It's probably
1:34:39probably like 11.
1:34:41>> How
1:34:42>> Yeah, probably like 12. 12, yeah. Well,
1:34:45no, then my parents got divorced.
1:34:48>> Oh.
1:34:48>> You know?
1:34:49>> And then it's double the spanking.
1:34:51>> Yeah.
1:34:51>> Yeah. No, and then I think I was
1:34:53>> [clears throat]
1:34:54>> it was fine after
1:34:55>> I got slapped. I got like face slaps
1:34:57once I got to teen, I think. Yeah, yeah,
1:34:59face slaps at as a teenager.
1:35:01[clears throat]
1:35:02It's not like
1:35:03>> you were low-key like abused.
1:35:05>> [laughter]
1:35:05>> That's not cool. That's not good.
1:35:07>> Maybe. But you also know me.
1:35:10You know what I mean? Like you know the
1:35:11buttons I can push.
1:35:13>> That's true.
1:35:14>> Have you ever considered that maybe
1:35:17>> Uh we were just talking about the movie
1:35:18earlier.
1:35:20Um
1:35:22God, with the Detective Island. That's
1:35:24actually not that bad. Shutter Island. I
1:35:26would have Shutter Island, you?
1:35:27>> Yeah.
1:35:28Like there there was definitely moments
1:35:30where my mom was like you know how like
1:35:31rich people can send their kids to
1:35:33boarding school? If I had the [ __ ]
1:35:35money, you would go to one. Like there
1:35:37would be like a military academy you go
1:35:39to.
1:35:40>> Okay. Yeah. There was never a moment
1:35:42where I got where I got like slapped or
1:35:44spanked where I didn't look in the
1:35:45mirror afterwards and go like I didn't
1:35:47deserve that [ __ ] Like I
1:35:49>> [laughter]
1:35:49>> You know what I mean? Like usually I
1:35:51knew that [ __ ] was coming.
1:35:52>> damn crow court in here.
1:35:54>> Yeah.
1:35:55>> So I'm really good at marching up to the
1:35:57edges of like what I can get away with.
1:36:00>> Yeah, that's true.
1:36:01>> And then every once in a while you got
1:36:02to go, has that line moved?
1:36:04And you step over it. And then and then
1:36:07when you get hit you go, that line did
1:36:09not move an inch. My god, it didn't move
1:36:11an inch.
1:36:12>> you would respond well then next time
1:36:14we're doing IRL content if you ever
1:36:17say something I don't enjoy if I just
1:36:18gave you a quick little slap across the
1:36:20face so that you just totally shut down.
1:36:22>> Yeah, [laughter] a little a little left
1:36:23right.
1:36:25Yeah.
1:36:25>> That's
1:36:26ooh.
1:36:27>> Wait, you guys never get spanked?
1:36:30>> I think I got spanked like twice and it
1:36:32was like a very they were like, this is
1:36:35something where I think we're supposed
1:36:37to do and then afterwards I would just
1:36:39be like,
1:36:40oh, and they're like, I don't think we
1:36:41got THE POINT ACROSS. [laughter]
1:36:43AND then pretty quickly giving up. I was
1:36:45also like pretty much a goody two shoes
1:36:47so I never got slapped across the
1:36:50you know, to them.
1:36:51>> Mhm.
1:36:51>> I would go do my
1:36:53I was kind of a bad boy like I said,
1:36:54king kid or whatever.
1:36:56But [laughter] yeah, around my parents I
1:36:58was pretty much like, yes sir, thank
1:36:59you. Would you like anything else, sir?
1:37:01>> [laughter]
1:37:01>> Um
1:37:02>> May I take your
1:37:03order, sir?
1:37:06>> I I I don't think I ever
1:37:08got like
1:37:10like physically reprimanded over the age
1:37:13of like seven or eight.
1:37:14>> I mean my dad would do the king what do
1:37:16they call it? King Kong game where they
1:37:17grab your jaws and open them just wide
1:37:19as they can go.
1:37:20>> Oh, yeah. Yeah.
1:37:22Until until this snaps.
1:37:25>> Yeah.
1:37:25>> I had my mouth washed out with soap a
1:37:27few times. Yeah.
1:37:28>> What's weird is you said I don't think I
1:37:31ever got physically reprimanded after
1:37:33the age of seven.
1:37:34>> Mhm.
1:37:35>> I feel like I feel like it's more
1:37:36immoral
1:37:38to hit a kid under the age of seven cuz
1:37:40it's like
1:37:41they don't have
1:37:42>> I was never being I was never being like
1:37:45[ __ ] slapped into another kingdom,
1:37:48you know what I
1:37:48>> like
1:37:49>> I was just getting the the the phrase I
1:37:50remember very clearly is my little fat
1:37:52legs.
1:37:53>> [laughter]
1:37:54>> Give it a little whack.
1:37:56>> Oh, like a little thighs.
1:37:57>> Yeah, no, I'm not talking like I'm not
1:37:58talking like leaving a bruise. I'm I'm
1:38:01I'm talking like, you know,
1:38:04>> It's just like I feel like the most
1:38:05vulnerable stage of your life is like
1:38:08that era of like this first
1:38:11couple of years and it's like they can't
1:38:13communicate.
1:38:15>> So, I sure you like they made sure you
1:38:17understood.
1:38:19>> Yeah, I was never like my my I never
1:38:21felt like my parents were always very
1:38:22like they were very kind of
1:38:24hippie-esque, I guess. I was I was
1:38:26definitely told off and I've forgotten
1:38:27so many memories of being like grounded
1:38:30effectively and being like, you know,
1:38:32just so absolutely distraught at my
1:38:35actions when I was a kid because mom and
1:38:37dad would would be mad at me and I'd be
1:38:39I don't know. I was such a little I was
1:38:41such a little people pleaser, I think. I
1:38:42was so easy to like if if my mom was
1:38:46disappointed in me. Bear in mind, my mom
1:38:47like kindest, loveliest, sweetest woman.
1:38:50Like if she was angry at me, she let me
1:38:52know and I would like I remember Yeah,
1:38:55just like that. I remember there was
1:38:57there was one time I um I made fun of
1:38:59one of my friends for for saying
1:39:02something weird and I compared them to
1:39:04someone with a mental illness like a
1:39:06mental disability and my mom flipped at
1:39:09me. She was like she was so mad and I
1:39:12just remember going to my room and
1:39:13sitting there on the floor and looking
1:39:15in the mirror and being like I'm I'm so
1:39:17stupid. I'm [ __ ] stupid. Being
1:39:19[laughter] like so [ __ ] just beating
1:39:21myself up over it. I was I was very I
1:39:23was just I didn't I maybe I just didn't
1:39:25need to be smacked.
1:39:26>> [laughter]
1:39:27>> Maybe I was just so self-flagellating.
1:39:30>> Yeah, they'd hit me with words. I'm very
1:39:33susceptible still to this day to a guilt
1:39:35trip.
1:39:36Because they were they were very
1:39:38effective with it. But some you know, it
1:39:40I would say sometimes I did deserve it.
1:39:42Um, sometimes they'd be like
1:39:46Well, cuz they were divorced and be
1:39:47like, "Well, whose house do you want to
1:39:48go to? And if you don't go to mine, I'm
1:39:50going to be really sad." And I'd be
1:39:52like,
1:39:53"Ah!"
1:39:53Uh, but when I was like a like
1:39:57I would never really be that much of an
1:39:58[ __ ] I remember the one time my dad
1:40:00really yelled at me.
1:40:01And it wasn't even that bad. It's cuz I
1:40:03was doing prank calls with my cousin.
1:40:05And I [snorts]
1:40:07was doing like an Austin Powers better
1:40:09something. I'm like, "Do I make you
1:40:11Randy? Do I make you horny, baby? Yeah."
1:40:14And he was like, "I was sitting on the
1:40:16other side of the door." And he busted
1:40:18in and was like, "Who the hell are you
1:40:19talking to?" I'm like, "I don't know.
1:40:21Like some kid [laughter] from like
1:40:23from Ohio, I guess."
1:40:25Yeah. And yeah, he was pretty upset
1:40:28about that. But it was like, yeah, most
1:40:29of the time I'd just be quoting movies
1:40:31is where I'd get in trouble cuz I
1:40:33would just think they're so funny.
1:40:35>> [laughter]
1:40:36>> And they wouldn't even understand like
1:40:37the context of what was being said,
1:40:39usually.
1:40:40>> Yeah.
1:40:40>> Yeah.
1:40:41>> But uh, I love my parents. They never If
1:40:43they If my dad tried to hit me, I'd
1:40:45[ __ ] catch that thing.
1:40:46>> Yeah, crushes [laughter]
1:40:48crushes fist.
1:40:50>> I'm way bigger than my parents. I'd
1:40:52[ __ ] I I should try employing beating
1:40:55them around a little bit, but
1:40:56>> You know what I I always did that pissed
1:40:58off my parents is they would try to
1:40:59punish me in some way and then I would
1:41:01go out of my way to make it seem like
1:41:03whatever my punishment was was great.
1:41:06Like I loved it.
1:41:07>> Dude, yeah, I would hate having ears
1:41:08[laughter] as a kid.
1:41:09>> Yeah, you can see why they resorted to
1:41:10just hitting you, right?
1:41:12>> I think I would just get close a lot.
1:41:14I'd be like
1:41:15>> [laughter]
1:41:15>> Yeah, flinch check me, little [ __ ]
1:41:18>> Yeah.
1:41:19>> Yeah, try to act like you like this
1:41:21punch, [ __ ]
1:41:22>> One of my friends the other day was
1:41:23saying one time they like really freaked
1:41:25their dad out because they got in a big
1:41:28argument with him. And the dad was
1:41:29yelling at him and he was like, "What do
1:41:31you want to do? Hit me?" When he was
1:41:32little kid, the dad's like, "Jesus
1:41:34Christ."
1:41:35>> [laughter]
1:41:35>> He like never laid a finger on him. He's
1:41:37like, "Go on, do it." And the dad just
1:41:40like cried or something.
1:41:41>> [laughter]
1:41:41>> I feel like he would do [ __ ] like that.
1:41:44>> Sounds a little master manipulator, eh?
1:41:47>> I guess, yeah.
1:41:48>> siblings?
1:41:49>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I have an older
1:41:51brother.
1:41:52>> Oh, yeah. Just one?
1:41:53>> Yeah, it's one, yeah.
1:41:54But it Sorry, it was my my entire
1:41:57childhood was impacted by his presence,
1:42:00okay?
1:42:00>> Yeah.
1:42:01>> Yeah.
1:42:01>> He's a big presence.
1:42:02>> Yeah. He came in first. He set a very
1:42:06very bad precedent by being a low bar.
1:42:10Yeah. No, not like a low Well, low bar
1:42:12for good behavior, but like a bad
1:42:14precedent for like he was always kind of
1:42:16he was always like a problem child.
1:42:19And then they expected that of me.
1:42:21But I was actually much better than him.
1:42:23Yeah, I wasn't like the prob- I wasn't
1:42:25the problem kid.
1:42:26>> You two were just fat and greedy and
1:42:28just did all sorts of evil.
1:42:29>> Well, what's probably is if you have a
1:42:30fat greedy older brother, then you have
1:42:33to be a greedy younger brother, else you
1:42:34get nothing.
1:42:35>> Cuz you'll get no nutrients.
1:42:37>> Yeah. And so,
1:42:38you know,
1:42:39when dinner was served, yeah, we would
1:42:41swoop in like locusts. [snorts]
1:42:43>> brother's like that big bird.
1:42:44>> Yeah.
1:42:45>> [laughter]
1:42:46>> Big bird.
1:42:46>> Yeah.
1:42:47>> Out of the nest He sucks up all the bird
1:42:49milk or whatever.
1:42:50>> Yeah.
1:42:50>> And yeah, shoots you out of the nest.
1:42:52>> Yeah.
1:42:54But what about you? Do you have any
1:42:56brothers and sisters?
1:42:57>> Uh
1:42:58no, step. I have step siblings.
1:43:01>> Were you raised with them?
1:43:02>> Yeah, yeah. My parents got divorced when
1:43:04I was quite young, so I was I was But
1:43:07I've I I kind of like I kind of had a
1:43:09few and a lot who I'm not in contact
1:43:12with anymore because they were from
1:43:14relationships and marriages that didn't
1:43:16work out with my
1:43:18parents during my upbringing. So, so
1:43:20I've had like a kind of cycle of people.
1:43:23>> That would be awkward.
1:43:24>> Yeah. Although my [clears throat]
1:43:25I still like I'm in very good contact
1:43:27with two of my step siblings, so.
1:43:29>> Yeah. That's nice.
1:43:31>> Yeah. Oh, yeah. Do you know what I
1:43:32forgot about is I have
1:43:34I guess like a half-brother
1:43:36>> Oh.
1:43:37>> that I've never spoken to.
1:43:39>> That's insane.
1:43:40>> Yeah. No, I've spoken to
1:43:41I remember him. I remember
1:43:43[clears throat] him. He's
1:43:44>> What do you mean you remember him? I
1:43:46>> From when I was like really really
1:43:48young.
1:43:49Yeah. He was um my dad had a kid
1:43:54when he was like
1:43:5618 or something with some lady
1:43:59and he never really
1:44:03like I think was like there for him or
1:44:05something and then like when I remember
1:44:07when I was young
1:44:09I was I was like super young. Probably
1:44:12like three or four. He came to visit.
1:44:14His name is Josh.
1:44:17And he came to visit and he's like way
1:44:19older like if if my brother's 5 years
1:44:21older than me, I think Josh is like 5
1:44:22years older than my brother.
1:44:24And so he's old as [ __ ] now.
1:44:27And um
1:44:29I have no idea what the hell he's even
1:44:30doing. I don't even know where he lives.
1:44:32I don't even know his name besides Josh.
1:44:33[clears throat] I don't know his last
1:44:34name.
1:44:34>> [laughter]
1:44:35>> Well, it's probably the same as your
1:44:37dad's, right?
1:44:37>> No, no. He I think he changed his last
1:44:39name.
1:44:39>> Oh, right.
1:44:40>> he like renounced my father.
1:44:42>> Yeah.
1:44:43>> Well, it sounds like your father left
1:44:44him to create some
1:44:46new family and he was probably like,
1:44:48"Oh, fuck."
1:44:48>> Yeah.
1:44:49Yeah.
1:44:50>> What if I bet Josh is like everything
1:44:52you and your brother weren't?
1:44:53>> Probably, yeah.
1:44:54Yeah. [laughter and snorts]
1:44:56Yeah. It's
1:44:57>> It'd be funny if he was like a podcaster
1:44:59a little bit more successful.
1:45:00>> Yeah, like way [laughter] better put
1:45:01together.
1:45:04Yeah. It's like the quality of person is
1:45:06immediately impacted by how little of my
1:45:08father's presence was there during
1:45:10childhood. Yeah.
1:45:11>> [laughter]
1:45:12>> Not having
1:45:12>> Yeah, he was there for like 6 months
1:45:14with Josh. So, like Josh is like super
1:45:15successful, super well put together.
1:45:18Yeah.
1:45:18>> [laughter]
1:45:20>> He's a Fortune 500 CEO.
1:45:23Do you think one day you'll ever try to
1:45:26reach out or
1:45:28>> You know
1:45:28>> like a brother I didn't ever I would be
1:45:31like dying to get to know him a little.
1:45:33>> You know I I did I pissed off my uncle
1:45:35one time cuz he was like, "Hey dude,
1:45:36we're having a big family reunion up in
1:45:38South Carolina. Are you coming?" Cuz
1:45:41you know, they have one every year and
1:45:43they keep trying to get me to go. And I
1:45:44looked at him and I was like, "Look
1:45:46dude, I don't know how to say this, but
1:45:48I got enough family with you guys, okay?
1:45:51It's enough. I have enough. [snorts]
1:45:53And I don't want any more. I don't need
1:45:56any more.
1:45:57And then all those people died off. So
1:45:59now they still have the family reunion
1:46:01up in South Carolina and like most of my
1:46:03immediate family is dead. And then I
1:46:05have my family that I've made.
1:46:08You know,
1:46:09and so I'm just kind of like I'm more of
1:46:11like a nuclear What's it called? A
1:46:12nuclear family?
1:46:14Yeah, we're just a wife and three kids.
1:46:17>> family like cuts off their
1:46:20like extended relatives. That's what I
1:46:22said it is.
1:46:22>> Yeah, but they don't [clears throat]
1:46:23you know, I'm not going to go like I'm
1:46:25not going to go like hang out with my
1:46:28my extended family up in South Carolina
1:46:31and shake hands with all those people.
1:46:32>> like pretty not super extended, right?
1:46:36So I kind of Like I only have half
1:46:38siblings. So like to me I'm like
1:46:40that's just your sibling.
1:46:41>> I think people put way too much stock in
1:46:45in like blood ties and family bond. I
1:46:48think I have way better
1:46:50>> nuclear family.
1:46:51>> [laughter]
1:46:51>> No, no, I mean like I'm never going to
1:46:52invite
1:46:53>> I'm such a nuclear family.
1:46:55I'm a total [ __ ]
1:46:57>> [laughter]
1:46:57>> No, no, I mean like I have me and Abby
1:47:00and our kids very important.
1:47:03But the other people like if I don't
1:47:05like you a whole lot and we don't get
1:47:07along like I'm not going to put up with
1:47:09your presence just cuz you're related.
1:47:12>> or are you guys
1:47:13just frozen?
1:47:14>> We're frozen, dude.
1:47:15>> Uh why did you both just stop talking or
1:47:18did I
1:47:18>> we totally stopped talking. We're
1:47:19waiting on you.
1:47:20>> I don't like you
1:47:22and then it just went
1:47:24>> Oh yeah, if I don't like you and you're
1:47:25just related like [laughter] through
1:47:27blood like I don't I'm not going to hang
1:47:29out just cuz you're related, you know.
1:47:33>> Yeah, I get that. But what if you did
1:47:34like him though? That's what I'm asking.
1:47:36Like well you don't know him at all. So
1:47:37like what if he was actually like
1:47:40pretty cool. What if he had a like a I
1:47:41don't know like a cool beard?
1:47:43>> What if he had a motorcycle? What if he
1:47:45had a motorcycle?
1:47:46>> Yeah.
1:47:48Is it worth traveling to South Carolina
1:47:49for?
1:47:50>> No, not really.
1:47:51>> Well, with the invention of the phone
1:47:52and the
1:47:53>> [laughter]
1:47:54>> um
1:47:55you know, stuff like that.
1:47:56>> There's there's a billion people on this
1:47:58planet.
1:47:59I got
1:48:00>> Yeah, okay. I get what you're saying.
1:48:02>> I mean there's so many people out there.
1:48:03I'm not going to just like
1:48:05hope that there's cool people in my
1:48:07extended family.
1:48:09>> He's your half-brother. He's not like
1:48:10that He's not Well, I I see what you You
1:48:12guys I know you aren't brotherly because
1:48:14you weren't raised at all together.
1:48:17But
1:48:17>> You probably got the same diseases.
1:48:18>> extended family or
1:48:21>> Yeah, but I'm not going to go out of my
1:48:22way to try to find some common ground
1:48:24with this guy that's like 10 years older
1:48:26than me.
1:48:28>> Diseases.
1:48:30I would like to talk to him.
1:48:31>> Diseases? What like like we have a
1:48:33common medical history?
1:48:35>> You'll have the same diseases.
1:48:37>> Yeah dude, how's your prostate doing?
1:48:38Okay, colorectal cancer? No? All right,
1:48:40don't [laughter] ever talk to me again.
1:48:41>> he's like a good maybe like prediction.
1:48:43He's like your look 10 years into the
1:48:45future and you could probably
1:48:47>> That is a possibility. Oh well, no.
1:48:49Here's another problem is that
1:48:51they always joked that I was like the
1:48:52milkman's kid cuz I don't look anything
1:48:55like anybody else in my family.
1:48:57And I'm taller than everybody in my
1:48:58family.
1:49:00And I'm not built like anybody in my
1:49:01family.
1:49:03Like there's nothing I I look like I'm
1:49:04adopted.
1:49:07>> Mhm.
1:49:08>> So it's all it's all coming to a
1:49:09problem.
1:49:10>> in this episode of the
1:49:11>> No, no. The problem is like if I look so
1:49:14[ __ ] different, surely if I go like
1:49:16get medical history from this guy it's
1:49:17not going to I feel like it would have
1:49:19very little bearing on me.
1:49:21>> Is your brother I thought your bro- I
1:49:23always just pictured your brother as
1:49:24taller than you.
1:49:25>> No, he's like 5'10.
1:49:27>> Really?
1:49:28>> Yeah. No, he's like
1:49:29>> He's like wow, that changed. I thought
1:49:30he was like a In my head he's like this
1:49:32big beast of a man.
1:49:33>> No.
1:49:35No, he he's just he's wide. So, he looks
1:49:38big.
1:49:39He's he's he's wide. Yeah.
1:49:42>> I bet his arms are like tree trunks.
1:49:44>> Yeah.
1:49:45>> It's really cool.
1:49:46>> Yeah.
1:49:47>> I bet Josh has got even a
1:49:49bigger arms.
1:49:50>> Bro.
1:49:50He's going to he's he's
1:49:51>> Oh, Josh. I wish you were Josh. I wish
1:49:53you were Josh.
1:49:54>> Can I meet
1:49:55>> I wish you were Josh. [laughter]
1:49:57God.
1:49:58Poor Josh, what have I done?
1:49:59>> You don't want to meet Josh. I'll go
1:50:01meet him.
1:50:01>> Where do I find Josh?
1:50:02>> Yeah, go meet him, dude.
1:50:04I get the feeling he if I remember
1:50:06correctly, I think
1:50:07my family reached out to him and he was
1:50:09like, "I'm good."
1:50:11>> He sounds just like you.
1:50:12>> [laughter]
1:50:13>> It's actually the medical history that
1:50:14>> Oh, I'm interested actually. Yeah, if he
1:50:16has the same sentiment where he's just
1:50:18like
1:50:19>> I got enough going on here. I'm good. I
1:50:21got my I got my personal like tight
1:50:24relationships with these people. I'm I
1:50:26don't want to [ __ ] it up. That is
1:50:27actually very much like me. Yeah.
1:50:30I might reach out.
1:50:31>> you would hug?
1:50:32>> Nah.
1:50:33>> I just hugged my stepdad for the first
1:50:35time in my life the other day.
1:50:37It was um it was nice.
1:50:39>> I can't believe that's the first time
1:50:41cuz I hugged him at the beach.
1:50:43>> I know and I I thought maybe it's time.
1:50:46Yeah. It's one of those things, you
1:50:47know, when you It's almost like when you
1:50:49don't reply to a message and then it
1:50:50just gets longer and longer. It's like
1:50:52the first time we didn't so then it's
1:50:53like, well, it'll be nicer actually if I
1:50:56don't ever.
1:50:57But uh yeah, it's just a little update
1:50:59in my life.
1:50:59>> I did a wood working.
1:51:00>> good?
1:51:02Um it was warm.
1:51:04>> Yeah.
1:51:06>> Felt nice in a way.
1:51:07>> Do you think you liked it more than he
1:51:09did or do you think he liked it more
1:51:11than you did?
1:51:13>> Physically, I could tell I liked it
1:51:15>> [laughter]
1:51:17>> Ew. Uh
1:51:18I don't know.
1:51:19>> Yeah.
1:51:19>> I'd have to ask. I didn't I thought that
1:51:21would be too far to go so how was it?
1:51:23>> [laughter]
1:51:26>> How was it for you?
1:51:28>> My
1:51:28>> Was it as good for you as it was for me?
1:51:30>> I did I've been I've been connected to
1:51:31my stepdad, too. We did a little
1:51:33woodworking project together recently.
1:51:35We just finished it the other day. It's
1:51:36really fun.
1:51:37>> What did you make?
1:51:38>> We made a bench.
1:51:40>> Oh.
1:51:41>> Yeah, it was it was fun. It was really
1:51:43good.
1:51:43>> Didn't have you hug like a big
1:51:44>> I've hugged him. I've hugged him. But we
1:51:46didn't hug while we were doing the
1:51:47woodworking. That would be dangerous and
1:51:48also unmanly.
1:51:51>> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah.
1:51:52>> We had to be alpha men while we were
1:51:54cutting plywood.
1:51:56>> Making a bench, the coolest
1:51:59wood made thing, manliest thing you can
1:52:01make.
1:52:02>> Yeah, in a shed.
1:52:02>> So you can sit right next to each other.
1:52:04>> Yeah.
1:52:04>> [laughter]
1:52:05>> We We gave it a little test.
1:52:08>> Oh, this is nice.
1:52:10>> [laughter]
1:52:11>> Yeah, sit on top of a little hug.
1:52:12>> Hold on, let me stabilize myself. Put
1:52:14your hand on his thigh. [laughter]
1:52:16>> Oh, [ __ ]
1:52:18Just want to be in this moment a little
1:52:20longer.
1:52:21>> Yeah.
1:52:22>> [laughter]
1:52:23>> Yeah.
1:52:24Man, I need I need to do some more
1:52:26woodworking. I feel like when when
1:52:28something comes together
1:52:30>> Mhm.
1:52:30>> while you're doing woodworking and it
1:52:32everything just
1:52:33it just works.
1:52:34>> Yeah. It's
1:52:35>> God, it feels like a million bucks.
1:52:37>> But
1:52:37>> But 90% of the time there's a huge [ __ ]
1:52:41up halfway through the project and I go,
1:52:43>> [ __ ]
1:52:44>> And then I just I kind of set it aside
1:52:47for a while. Or I just live with it.
1:52:49Like with this desk where there's every
1:52:51time I sit down I go, "Oh, there's like
1:52:5380 [ __ ] ups I see."
1:52:54>> [laughter]
1:52:55>> Oh, well.
1:52:56I'll deal with it.
1:52:57>> A little touch of character, maybe.
1:53:00>> Yeah.
1:53:02>> I'm just trying to be nice. You're not
1:53:03very good at woodworking and you're a
1:53:05bad steward [clears throat]
1:53:06>> Yeah, steward [laughter] steward.
1:53:09>> All your favorite things to do you're
1:53:10just not that great at. And
1:53:12when you start a new hobby you should be
1:53:14at the peak.
1:53:15>> Uh right away, yeah.
1:53:16>> So you have to be good.
1:53:18>> Yeah.
1:53:18>> Yeah.
1:53:20>> The There was I did have some like
1:53:21heirloom side tables that were I don't
1:53:25want to say side tables. They were like
1:53:26little um three-legged tables that
1:53:30>> Three legs?
1:53:31>> that had like tiers. It was like a the
1:53:33top and then it had a like a middle
1:53:35shelf and they were meant to put um
1:53:37potted plants on.
1:53:38>> Were there backs on the tiers or is it
1:53:40open?
1:53:41>> They were open.
1:53:43>> Okay.
1:53:43>> It's a cascade planter, right?
1:53:45>> Yeah. Yeah. Like a little yeah.
1:53:48>> And um these were kind of like the legs
1:53:51were cut so that they had like they went
1:53:54out at the bottom like like little
1:53:55Victorian legs. Yeah. Like little
1:53:58serifs.
1:53:59>> And you hate serifs.
1:54:00>> I do. I have a
1:54:01>> I didn't know you had a half brother but
1:54:03I knew that you don't like serifs.
1:54:05>> Well, there's some [laughter] things
1:54:06about me that I I keep
1:54:08>> You're a man of mystery.
1:54:09>> I keep close to my chest.
1:54:10>> were a
1:54:11were a beaten child with a mystery
1:54:13brother but you learn something new
1:54:14every day.
1:54:15>> Yeah. Well, the things that I'm
1:54:18There's some things I profess to the
1:54:19world.
1:54:20Like my hatred of serifs.
1:54:22>> Mhm. Right.
1:54:23>> Some things I don't. Like my hidden
1:54:25brother.
1:54:26>> Like my love for my secret brother.
1:54:28[laughter]
1:54:28>> Yeah.
1:54:29And my and my my love for punishment as
1:54:32a child.
1:54:33>> [laughter]
1:54:36>> God, I love this.
1:54:37>> Yeah, and it sounds like you're you did
1:54:40um in a way you're like very
1:54:42interesting.
1:54:43>> I deserved it.
1:54:44>> Deserved it.
1:54:45>> it at the time, yeah. And I And also I
1:54:47hope that my kids are never Like I I
1:54:49could never see my kids acting as bad as
1:54:51I acted to get my punishments, you know
1:54:54what I mean?
1:54:56>> But if they did you would hit them?
1:54:58>> I'd clock them right in the [ __ ]
1:54:59head, dude.
1:55:00>> Okay.
1:55:00>> Boom! No, I would I wouldn't. I wouldn't
1:55:03hit my kids. No. There's something
1:55:05different about being a girl dad, you
1:55:07know?
1:55:08You You can't You can't like roughhouse
1:55:11with your kids as much.
1:55:14>> All roughhousing.
1:55:16>> Yeah.
1:55:17>> Kind of [laughter] a
1:55:18large and complicated word here.
1:55:22You can't like [snorts] beat on them.
1:55:24Like roughhouse with
1:55:24>> on them as hard. You know what I'm
1:55:26saying?
1:55:27Another kid.
1:55:28>> Would you ever have a third?
1:55:30>> No. Are you [ __ ] kidding me? No, I
1:55:32would never have a third.
1:55:34You can't have just one because they end
1:55:36up being a psycho, and you can't do
1:55:38that.
1:55:39Only children, [clears throat] you can
1:55:41smell them from a mile away. They're
1:55:43They're the way that they act, they're
1:55:45ego maniacs.
1:55:47Now, only children are They're odd.
1:55:49They're odd ones.
1:55:51So, you have to have a second one to
1:55:52kind of level them out, you know?
1:55:55But, having more than that, unless you
1:55:57have like unless you're Amish and you
1:55:59have a farm that need you need farm
1:56:01hands on.
1:56:03>> [cough and clears throat]
1:56:04>> You know?
1:56:05>> More mouths.
1:56:05>> out kids to work the family farm.
1:56:08>> Toil. You're looking for toiling
1:56:10children is what you're looking for.
1:56:12Yeah.
1:56:13>> I do think children don't get enough
1:56:14toil.
1:56:16>> I I think so, too.
1:56:18Yeah.
1:56:19>> [laughter]
1:56:19>> Um They got to have little tasks.
1:56:21>> ever seen those pictures of like
1:56:24like kids from the the 1800s that are
1:56:26chimney sweeps and they're like 5 years
1:56:27old with their little suits on covered
1:56:30in soot?
1:56:32And I'm like, I can't even get my kids
1:56:34to empty the [ __ ] dishwasher, let
1:56:35alone climb up on top of a three-story
1:56:37building and sweep the chimney, you
1:56:39know?
1:56:40>> The thing is, and I've looked up a lot
1:56:41of chimneys in my day. I've I've looked
1:56:44up in a lot of chimneys cuz every house
1:56:46in England has a chimney pretty much.
1:56:48And I I my one here, it's like [ __ ]
1:56:52it's like this big. It's like, how the
1:56:53[ __ ] were they sending kids up there,
1:56:55man? Like it's it's tiny. It's like you
1:56:57could only you can you know
1:56:59>> Or maybe you get some little kids.
1:57:00>> Yeah, so yeah, just have really small
1:57:02children.
1:57:02>> [laughter]
1:57:03>> You're going to be like play the roll
1:57:05the genetic dice and hope to get
1:57:07>> they open up, right?
1:57:09>> What, the chimneys?
1:57:10>> Yeah, they open up. You don't send them
1:57:11from the top, do you? Yeah, they climb
1:57:14up on the roof. Yeah, they climb up on
1:57:16the roof.
1:57:17And they have the little 5-ft ladder
1:57:19that they lean up against the chimney.
1:57:21And then you get up there with a big
1:57:23brush that has like you'll have like
1:57:25several pieces of cane that you like
1:57:27kind of screw together or fix together
1:57:29and you push it down there like a big
1:57:31Q-tip and go
1:57:33and then you pull it back up. Imagine
1:57:35it's like a giant rifle, like a big
1:57:37musket that you're like you put the rod
1:57:39down there to pack it.
1:57:39>> Yeah, yeah. I imagine it's like reverse
1:57:41Santa.
1:57:43Like they just climb down.
1:57:44>> No, cuz then then you you would sit
1:57:46there and get all the soot in your face.
1:57:48Yeah.
1:57:48>> Well, yeah, but I thought that was just
1:57:49part of the
1:57:50>> [laughter]
1:57:50>> joyous toil.
1:57:52Oh, I thought that was just part of the
1:57:53joyous toil.
1:57:55>> Maybe the one that's at the bottom with
1:57:57the bucket getting all the collecting
1:57:59all the soot, maybe he gets covered.
1:58:00>> That's the one getting blasted and then
1:58:01his stolen valor takes the picture and
1:58:04grabs the loot.
1:58:05>> [laughter]
1:58:06>> You know kids get like weird hyper
1:58:07focuses like
1:58:09like I love dinosaurs. I'm going to love
1:58:11dinosaurs for 5 years or whatever. My
1:58:13cousin lucked out. His kid like since he
1:58:17was a toddler, he loves vacuums
1:58:20and like cleaning stuff.
1:58:22He's like three or four, maybe he's like
1:58:24three now.
1:58:26And I went to his birthday party and
1:58:27they just everyone got him like
1:58:30kid vacuum cleaner, all this [ __ ] And
1:58:32they actually like they put his little
1:58:33ass to work. Like he loves like
1:58:35vacuuming the carpet
1:58:37>> [laughter]
1:58:37>> and like cleaning surfaces.
1:58:39>> Yeah.
1:58:40>> I'm like, what? That's
1:58:41>> My kids
1:58:43>> He's toiling [laughter] like crazy and
1:58:44he loves it.
1:58:45>> My kids don't like the vacuum cuz it's
1:58:48loud, but they want to mop. They're
1:58:50like, "Oh, I want to mop." But then I'm
1:58:52like, "This is a wood floor
1:58:54and you're going to put a gallon of
1:58:55water on it and it's going to [ __ ] up my
1:58:57floor. So, I can't even let them do the
1:58:58one thing they want to do." I was like,
1:58:59"You can mop the bathroom, maybe."
1:59:01>> Yeah. You thought giving them a power
1:59:03washer.
1:59:04Don't give them one of those power
1:59:05washers. They'd probably love that [ __ ]
1:59:06Just
1:59:08on your on your like patio. Would you Do
1:59:10you have a patio? What do you call that
1:59:11in American?
1:59:12>> A
1:59:13>> Uh
1:59:13>> deck.
1:59:14>> Yeah. I have a I have a port Yeah. I
1:59:17have a deck. I don't have a patio.
1:59:18Patios usually like pavers, you know,
1:59:21not wood. Yeah.
1:59:22>> That's what we just call any like hard
1:59:25outdoor flooring in the UK, I guess.
1:59:27>> The problem is with a power washer is
1:59:29you could [ __ ] up somebody with a power
1:59:30washer.
1:59:31>> I saw my my dad shot my step grandpa at
1:59:33the top of his hand.
1:59:36Really? Old ass skin.
1:59:37>> Yeah.
1:59:38>> [ __ ]
1:59:38>> Yeah, they're cleaning a boat and
1:59:39accidentally just just hit the top and
1:59:42it slid all the old skin off. Oh, [ __ ]
1:59:45Yeah.
1:59:46>> That sucks.
1:59:47Oh, I did have a I did have kind of
1:59:50>> [clears throat]
1:59:51>> Yeah.
1:59:51>> I have something awesome I want to talk
1:59:53about. Hold on. Let me bring Can I bring
1:59:55me over
1:59:55>> Oh, is this the Oh, what the hell?
1:59:57>> Here we go. Okay. Wait, it's not making
1:59:59me wide screen. I want to be wide
2:00:01screen.
2:00:02>> Is this the vague mistake?
2:00:04>> Yeah.
2:00:05>> I was in a castle.
2:00:06>> Woah! This is [ __ ]
2:00:08>> Okay, this is insane. We're in the
2:00:09future.
2:00:10>> How do I make myself wide screen? I
2:00:12can't.
2:00:14>> Dude, I'm getting dizzy.
2:00:15>> Yeah. It doesn't matter. Okay, you know
2:00:17what I'm going to do? I'll do it like
2:00:18this. I'll uh
2:00:20Okay, so you remember how on this
2:00:23podcast we've been talking about Steve
2:00:25Zahn. We love Steve Zahn.
2:00:27>> Yes.
2:00:27>> We're huge Zahn heads on this podcast.
2:00:30Do you know who Steve Zahn is?
2:00:31>> god.
2:00:32Is that like not his name or something?
2:00:34>> Uh I have over here I've Let me move
2:00:37this. Uh-oh.
2:00:40These are Wait, is it mirrored for you
2:00:42guys?
2:00:42>> That's not Steve Zahn down there.
2:00:45>> It's normal.
2:00:45>> Okay.
2:00:46>> So, that's not him in Kong: Skull
2:00:48Island?
2:00:49>> We have Every time we've talked about
2:00:51Steve Zahn
2:00:53I think
2:00:54>> You
2:00:55>> you have been talking about Steve Zahn.
2:00:58I have been talking about a completely
2:01:01different guy. Every movie on the
2:01:03left-hand side of this panel
2:01:05>> I was going to say, that's a different
2:01:06dude.
2:01:06>> His name is Shea Whigham.
2:01:07>> Dude, yes, because I remember being
2:01:09like, I don't remember him in True
2:01:11Detective.
2:01:12>> Yeah.
2:01:12>> At all.
2:01:13>> That's him in the second panel on the
2:01:15left. That's Shea Whigham. I don't even
2:01:16like STEVE ZAHN.
2:01:18>> WHAT?
2:01:19>> [screaming]
2:01:19>> STEVE ZAHN.
2:01:21>> WHAT?
2:01:22>> STEVE Zahn's a punk [ __ ] Shea Whigham
2:01:25is where [laughter] it's at.
2:01:26>> I'm a Shea
2:01:28I'm a Shea Whigham man.
2:01:30>> Pull that back up.
2:01:30>> Dude, Shea Whigham Have you seen Death
2:01:32by Lightning?
2:01:33>> No, I've not seen Death by Lightning,
2:01:35dude.
2:01:35>> Uh By the way, Wilbur, you might want to
2:01:37check it out. It's about um
2:01:38>> Oh my god.
2:01:39>> the President Garfield's
2:01:41presidency.
2:01:42>> How does it got Steve Zahn in it?
2:01:44>> Yeah, and he plays Conkling.
2:01:46>> Mhm.
2:01:47>> Um and also Chester Arthur is played by
2:01:51uh that libertarian guy from um
2:01:54Parks and Rec. I forget his name. But uh
2:01:57yeah, Shea Whigham rocks.
2:01:59>> You say you don't [ __ ] I remember
2:02:00talking about Sahara. You don't You
2:02:02don't [ __ ] with Sahara?
2:02:04Does it have Shea Whigham in it?
2:02:06>> No. [clears throat]
2:02:07>> Oh, what? Bro. Come on. We had the whole
2:02:11Zahn head thing. We had We were
2:02:12>> Well, I'm
2:02:14>> get him on the podcast if we could.
2:02:16>> Nope. I'm out of the fandom. I'm out of
2:02:18the [ __ ] Zahn fandom.
2:02:19>> Dude, look [laughter] at those movies on
2:02:20the right. Anaconda clears True
2:02:23Detective.
2:02:23>> Are you kidding me?
2:02:25Death by Lightning, True Detective? He's
2:02:27in Righteous Gemstones.
2:02:28>> What? White Lotus. I mean, I notice you
2:02:30don't have Saving Silverman. You don't
2:02:32have
2:02:33Diary of a Wimpy Kid. Like some more
2:02:35notable Steve Zahn roles.
2:02:37>> is The problem is with those movies is
2:02:39it's more clear that he's not Shea
2:02:41Whigham. They do look a lot alike,
2:02:44but I feel like
2:02:45>> you even pulled that up. I'm like, only
2:02:47the Kong: Skull [laughter] Island.
2:02:49That's not Steve Zahn.
2:02:50>> Yeah.
2:02:51>> But they they all weren't.
2:02:53>> Yeah.
2:02:54>> Wow, that is uh
2:02:56>> That's remarkable. I I
2:02:57>> That's a good miscommunication. I was
2:02:59wondering what else we're totally not
2:03:01talking about the same things on.
2:03:02>> I don't know, man. And it it's so funny,
2:03:04too, cuz yeah, like every time we
2:03:06brought him up, I think the only things
2:03:07I was like, I really liked him in this,
2:03:10it was
2:03:11not even a thing that Zahn was ever in.
2:03:14>> always Yeah, I'm always like, huh, okay,
2:03:16I didn't know he was in that.
2:03:18And I'm not even like a super Zahn fan.
2:03:21Well, I am. I'm a Zahn hater or
2:03:22whatever.
2:03:23>> Yeah.
2:03:23>> But I thought we just had a mutual
2:03:25admiration for his kind of quirkiness.
2:03:27>> And his varied filmography. Obviously
2:03:30varied is almost like two actors worth
2:03:32of a filmography.
2:03:34>> he do it all?
2:03:34>> Yeah, how does he both funny and such a
2:03:37great character actor?
2:03:39>> Four projects in one year. It's just
2:03:41remarkable.
2:03:42>> Yeah.
2:03:43Yeah.
2:03:44>> Holy [ __ ]
2:03:45I You know, it's funny, too, that uh
2:03:48in the Oh, I don't remember. I had a
2:03:50segue like three times in this, and then
2:03:52I totally forgot. But as some prep for
2:03:54this,
2:03:55I watched your first appearance, Wilbur,
2:03:58on this podcast.
2:04:00Uh I made about halfway through. You
2:04:01know, it's pretty good. Um
2:04:03but I got uh some like
2:04:04>> Yeah, it is Zahn to do that.
2:04:07>> But it was funny cuz
2:04:09Sam asked you God damn it, Sam, what's
2:04:12the name of the movie? At one point he's
2:04:13like, have you ever seen Thunder
2:04:15Thunderstruck?
2:04:17>> No, Rolling Thunder.
2:04:18>> Rolling Thunder.
2:04:20And you're like, no. No, I haven't seen
2:04:22it. He's like, oh, it's awesome. This
2:04:23guy puts he gets his hand shoved down a
2:04:24garbage disposal. They put a hook on his
2:04:26arm.
2:04:27And then last night, after we tried to
2:04:30do this podcast and it didn't work, Sam
2:04:31and I were talking for a while, and he's
2:04:33like, "Dude, have you ever seen Rolling
2:04:35Thunder? They This guy gets his arm
2:04:37shoved in like the exact way.
2:04:39>> Yeah. [laughter] It's exactly the same.
2:04:41And uh
2:04:42I bet I imagine that must be how people
2:04:44that watch this podcast feel about every
2:04:46other episode. I finally get it. I'm
2:04:48like
2:04:49wow. And then I had somebody in my chat
2:04:52the other day telling me about a story I
2:04:53told once.
2:04:55I'm like I don't remember that. But
2:04:56wouldn't it be funny if this happened
2:04:57after? And the guy's like, "Dude, that's
2:04:59exactly what you and Sam talked about
2:05:01for
2:05:0210 minutes after."
2:05:03>> Yeah.
2:05:04>> And uh there was also a funny moment
2:05:06where whoever you asked Sam, you're
2:05:08like, "Have you ever heard of Jschlatt?"
2:05:09Sam's like, "No."
2:05:10>> [laughter]
2:05:11>> You go, "Oh, you will. He's going to be
2:05:12the next big thing." And Sam's just kind
2:05:14of like nah.
2:05:16>> [laughter]
2:05:17>> So.
2:05:18>> Yeah, there's no way.
2:05:19>> off.
2:05:19>> Yeah.
2:05:19>> Way off.
2:05:21>> That's like my one skill. My one skill
2:05:24in in YouTube is identifying who's going
2:05:27to who's going to blow up. Yeah. I'm I
2:05:30like to think I'm quite a
2:05:31>> ever worked the other way?
2:05:32>> No.
2:05:33>> [laughter]
2:05:35>> That's
2:05:36a more useful skill.
2:05:37Yeah.
2:05:39>> Well, using that skill, do you think I'm
2:05:41always just going to be kind of like
2:05:42sitting there at like
2:05:44just like a dead coach?
2:05:45>> You're talking the Oracle in the Matrix.
2:05:47>> Yeah.
2:05:48>> Please.
2:05:48>> [laughter]
2:05:49>> Please. Answer my riddles.
2:05:51>> Yeah, am I just going to be coasting
2:05:53forever?
2:05:54>> [laughter]
2:05:55>> I told you, man. I like I was first time
2:05:57I went on Forehead Fables, I was like I
2:05:59I went to people afterwards and was
2:06:01like, "Oh, I've been on this podcast."
2:06:03And I was like, "Do you know this guy
2:06:04General Sam?" I'd say it to YouTubers
2:06:06and they'd be like, "Nah."
2:06:08Like no no one knew. But then I was
2:06:10telling the bassist in my band that I
2:06:12was going on Forehead Fables. He was
2:06:14like, "What? With General Sam? I love
2:06:16that guy." He was like so excited about
2:06:18it.
2:06:18>> I know.
2:06:19Yeah.
2:06:19>> You clearly have. As much as you like to
2:06:22self-deprecate.
2:06:23>> [laughter]
2:06:24>> Okay. That's nice.
2:06:26That's nice.
2:06:27>> But I didn't I'm going to I I have to
2:06:28say I I wasn't I wasn't due to my
2:06:30prediction, I don't think. I think you
2:06:33sans my sans my prediction.
2:06:36>> Yeah.
2:06:37I I think I got a a taste of of like
2:06:40that
2:06:42like internet fame
2:06:45during like the peak of Tarkov.
2:06:48And I did not care for it.
2:06:51>> I was going to say, was it intoxicating?
2:06:52>> It was not. It was [laughter] the
2:06:54opposite of intoxicating.
2:06:56>> It was intoxicating.
2:06:58>> Yeah.
2:06:59It was It was um
2:07:02It was everything I didn't like about
2:07:04this job.
2:07:05>> Yeah, if that makes sense.
2:07:06>> It's like being a celebrity but with
2:07:07none of the respect and all of the fear.
2:07:10>> [laughter]
2:07:11>> Yeah.
2:07:12>> All of the constant looming watching
2:07:14eyes and none of the like respect and
2:07:17parties.
2:07:18>> [laughter]
2:07:20>> All the things that celebrities get to
2:07:21go and do.
2:07:22>> It's just like a I don't know. It's a
2:07:24lot of like weird
2:07:26parasocial stuff. What I really don't
2:07:29like is when people go to bat for you.
2:07:31>> Oh, yeah. Yeah.
2:07:32>> Like in an argument and then like people
2:07:34like speak up for you.
2:07:36And I'm like, okay, pump your brakes,
2:07:38kid.
2:07:38>> Well, see, it's like you don't know me,
2:07:40bro.
2:07:40>> It's like when I have my friend go get
2:07:41my hoodie, it can be awesome. But if you
2:07:44had gone over there and broken that
2:07:45girl's hand,
2:07:46>> This is for Sam and he just puts her in
2:07:48a wheelchair.
2:07:49>> go to bat for you take it like way too
2:07:51far.
2:07:52>> Yeah. It's woah, chill out. Yeah, okay.
2:07:56>> Um and yeah, I've I had some experiences
2:07:59where I was like people were attacking
2:08:01people on my behalf and I was like,
2:08:05attack them but not that way. Yeah,
2:08:07you're you're attacking them the wrong
2:08:09way. Do it like this. And then I was
2:08:10like, yeah, they were just doing it
2:08:12wrong.
2:08:13>> Hit them.
2:08:13>> Yeah.
2:08:14But no, I I yeah, I get it. As it uh
2:08:19How does it I I guess it would kind of
2:08:21[ __ ] with your your psyche a little bit
2:08:22and you did touch on this earlier, but
2:08:24like to be so [clears throat] beloved
2:08:26and like I remember there was a time
2:08:28where
2:08:30I mean I've told you this before like on
2:08:31Twitter I remember like it was
2:08:33like Trump would tweet something and
2:08:35then you would tweet something and your
2:08:36tweets would get as many likes as his
2:08:38tweets.
2:08:40And I'm [snorts] like that's the
2:08:41president of the [ __ ]
2:08:42>> your bedroom at the time.
2:08:44>> of the world. He [laughter] wasn't the
2:08:46president at the time but like he's
2:08:47still very central like political figure
2:08:50that people were rallying behind and
2:08:52then to see your tweet like destroy his.
2:08:55>> Maybe he needed to be funnier.
2:08:57>> I was like what the [ __ ] dude? That's
2:08:59crazy.
2:09:00>> I have a really I have a good memory of
2:09:02of that very similar thing you were
2:09:03saying. We were um it was during like
2:09:05the Dream SMP period and uh and like I
2:09:09remember there's a guy on the server
2:09:10called him Quackity. He's a streamer you
2:09:13may have heard of and he uh he did a uh
2:09:16basically Trump was like launching some
2:09:19grift and like trying to get everyone to
2:09:21like rally behind this hashtag and
2:09:23trying to get it to like number one on
2:09:25trending. This was like 20 like this was
2:09:27a Biden Biden era right? I never
2:09:29streamed in Trump era. I was a Biden
2:09:31only streamer. [laughter]
2:09:33Um
2:09:33he he was like around that time and I
2:09:35remember he was trying to get everyone
2:09:36behind it but Quackity had like made a
2:09:39joke on stream that was trending higher
2:09:42than Trump's thing and so Trump on like
2:09:44[ __ ] Truth Social was just like "Oh
2:09:47these [ __ ] kids on the internet
2:09:49trying to push us down." And he was like
2:09:51getting really mad. This like Minecraft
2:09:56>> That's awesome. [laughter]
2:09:57>> he wasn't directly calling out but he
2:09:59was like "The people of Twitter trying
2:10:01to silence my voice. They're trying to
2:10:03push me down with this bogus hashtag."
2:10:06>> [laughter]
2:10:07>> I just I I remember talking with with
2:10:09Quackity about it and Quackity was just
2:10:10like "What the [ __ ] is this job, man?"
2:10:13Like Donald Trump is Donald Trump is
2:10:16indirecting us.
2:10:17>> [laughter]
2:10:17>> He's indirecting Quackity's hashtag.
2:10:21>> Is Quackity still Is he still uh doing
2:10:24it? Is he still
2:10:26>> Yeah, I think he's still rocking it.
2:10:28Hope so.
2:10:29>> Yeah, it's it's hard to tell like with
2:10:32like the Minecraft era, I feel like it
2:10:33was
2:10:34there is a point where you get so big
2:10:36that it's like that there has to be a
2:10:37fall.
2:10:39There has to be. [clears throat]
2:10:40You know, if you get
2:10:41if you get huge, there has to be a fall,
2:10:43which is so scary.
2:10:45>> I mean, I think it's just it's just Mr.
2:10:46Beast.
2:10:47>> That's true, yeah.
2:10:48>> I think it's just clicky in it,
2:10:50Minecraft. It's like you you you like I
2:10:52think again you said this, I believe. It
2:10:54was like you got all these like like
2:10:57people rallying behind the story cuz
2:10:59it's not about just the individual
2:11:00creators. It's the friends. It's the
2:11:02group. It's the dynamic between others.
2:11:05So, it's like and and when people are
2:11:07watching dynamics happening organically
2:11:10in real time, they tend to both project,
2:11:14connect, and also
2:11:16the tea, the drama, the gossip, you
2:11:19know, they That's part
2:11:20>> You're going to have a third rhyme.
2:11:21>> Yeah, it's part of it becomes part of
2:11:23the content, you know. So, I think why
2:11:25why the Minecraft space looks so
2:11:27tumultuous is because of this like this
2:11:30teetering soap opera energy that
2:11:32underlies the whole current of
2:11:35everything. And it's it's it's quite
2:11:36pervasive and and really bad, I think,
2:11:40personally. But they're they're they're
2:11:42kids, a lot of them. So, it's like
2:11:43they'll they'll grow up, I'm sure.
2:11:45They'll they'll see the light, but
2:11:48>> I've I've never met Quackity, but I did
2:11:50see him at the last
2:11:51I think at last TwitchCon.
2:11:54I saw him at a bar.
2:11:56And I was looking at him and I was like
2:11:58so I was like about to go up there and
2:12:00introduce myself. And I told um
2:12:03I told SwaggerSouls this, and he was
2:12:05like, "I'm glad you didn't go over
2:12:06there." Cuz I was like 99% sure he was
2:12:08LeafyIsHere.
2:12:10I was like, "That's Leafy." I'm swearing
2:12:12to god that's Leafy.
2:12:13>> He looks nothing like Leafy.
2:12:16>> I don't know, dude. I'm out of touch. I
2:12:17was just like, "That's Leafy. It has to
2:12:20be." And uh and I was going to go over
2:12:22there and I'm like, "I'm so [ __ ] glad
2:12:24I didn't. I have [clears throat] no idea
2:12:25who any of these people are."
2:12:27>> He would have laughed. I think he would
2:12:28have found that funny if you had.
2:12:29>> Oh, good. Cuz I thought he was going to
2:12:31like uppercut me in the head or
2:12:32something.
2:12:32>> No, he's quackity quackity's very good
2:12:34at that laughing at himself. He's
2:12:37But I don't think he looks anything like
2:12:38Leafy. That's the
2:12:39>> I don't He probably doesn't. I have no
2:12:41idea. I just uh
2:12:43I just saw I just thought that too it
2:12:44was for some reason.
2:12:46>> You were just really hoping to meet
2:12:48Leafy.
2:12:48>> Yeah, I was like, [laughter] "Is that
2:12:50Leafy?"
2:12:51Is that him?
2:12:52>> He got stars in his eyes.
2:12:53>> Every person.
2:12:54>> [laughter]
2:12:55>> Yeah. Every guy with black hair. Please.
2:12:58Please be Leafy.
2:13:00>> Yeah.
2:13:01>> Tapping a bunch of women on the shoulder
2:13:03and they
2:13:03>> [laughter]
2:13:03>> turn around.
2:13:04>> It's like, "Fuck. Damn it. NO, LIKE THE
2:13:06WHAT DOES IT KEEP HAPPENING?"
2:13:09>> YEAH.
2:13:10Uh
2:13:12Anyways, you guys got anything else or
2:13:13you want to wrap it up?
2:13:15>> Oh, wow.
2:13:17I'm going to be in big trouble.
2:13:20>> Why?
2:13:20>> Yeah.
2:13:21>> I got nothing else.
2:13:22>> I got a Well, I'm going to be late to
2:13:25this dinner thing.
2:13:26>> Oh my god, no you're not. We're get
2:13:27We're stopping it right here.
2:13:29>> Well, I don't know what's going on. It's
2:13:30not on me.
2:13:31>> This is the end.
2:13:32>> got a dinner upstairs, right? That's
2:13:35what we were saying earlier. Yeah.
2:13:36Oh. Don't tell him that.
2:13:38>> It's always Sam's fault. It's 2:08.
2:13:42For you.
2:13:43>> Eight.
2:13:45A.M. P.M.?
2:13:47Is that Garfield?
2:13:48>> No, that's 1946.
2:13:50>> What is that supposed to be?
2:13:52>> It's the That's That's the
2:13:53>> I like Garfield.
2:13:54>> You don't like Heathcliff?
2:13:56Is Heathcliff reminding me of the most
2:13:57important thing in life?
2:14:00>> Heathcliff. I don't know what that is.
2:14:01>> Heathcliff, yeah.
2:14:03It's like dumb little Garfield I guess.
2:14:05>> my favorite comic strip, yeah.
2:14:08>> But anyways, Wilbur, thank Thank coming
2:14:10on.
2:14:11>> Thank you for having me again.
2:14:12>> Yeah, I hope your
2:14:14future endeavors are
2:14:16are prosperous and everything.
2:14:18And
2:14:19>> Sage. [laughter]
2:14:22>> I hope you
2:14:22>> 51st psychic.
2:14:24>> Yeah.
2:14:26And
2:14:27good luck out there. And
2:14:29>> Thank you.
2:14:30>> It was good talking to you again.
2:14:32>> Yeah.
2:14:33>> Yeah, good luck at your dinner.
2:14:34>> Yeah, thanks for coming on.
2:14:36>> I'll come back in less than 6 years next
2:14:38time.
2:14:39>> Awesome. I messaged you on on Twitter.
2:14:41Are you going to answer me?
2:14:42>> You know, after playing every day.
2:14:44>> in a while, can you believe?
2:14:45>> I haven't been on Twitter, either. Yeah.
2:14:48But anyways, later, guys.
2:14:50>> Okay. Goodbye.
2:14:52>> Bye-bye.

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