What happens to consciousness the moment you die — Transcript
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- 0:0010, 9, 8, 7.
- 0:04You're drowsy, buried under a foggy
- 0:07mask.
- 0:08The countdown feels like it was only a
- 0:11moment ago, but as you struggle to scan
- 0:14the room, you can see worn-out doctors.
- 0:16Surgical equipment is getting rolled
- 0:18away, and the atmosphere is heavier,
- 0:21more raw.
- 0:234 hours of your life just happened, and
- 0:26you weren't in them.
- 0:28It's tempting to call it sleep, but
- 0:31sleep is something that you pass
- 0:32through. Time moves, you dream, you turn
- 0:36over. Uh a sound from the street can
- 0:39pull you out of it.
- 0:41Anesthesia leaves nothing behind. No
- 0:44dreams or memories. For those 4 hours,
- 0:48as far as you can perceive,
- 0:50you didn't exist. But then, at the end
- 0:53of it,
- 0:54you came back.
- 0:56The strange part is that this is
- 0:58routine. Thousands of times a day in
- 1:02hospitals across the world, someone
- 1:04switches a person off, and then [snorts]
- 1:06switches them back on, and right on
- 1:09schedule. 180 years of doing this, and
- 1:13we still can't explain what happens to
- 1:16you in those 4 hours.
- 1:19Take the anesthesiologist out of the
- 1:21room, and you are left with the same
- 1:23descent into nothingness, only that no
- 1:26one can bring you back.
- 1:28We call that dying. For all of human
- 1:31history, we have been fascinated with
- 1:33the concept of death.
- 1:34>> [music]
- 1:35>> It spawned entire cultures, mythologies,
- 1:38and religions.
- 1:39Still, we've never been able to figure
- 1:42out what happens when we die. But, in
- 1:45the last decade, medicine, biotech, and
- 1:48strangely quantum physics
- 1:51have started pulling answers out of the
- 1:53dark.
- 1:54Where does your consciousness go when
- 1:56you die?
- 1:58And how do some people come back from
- 1:59it?
- 2:01This is the quantum theory of
- 2:03consciousness after death.
- 2:11What even is death?
- 2:13Well, as it turns out, the answer to
- 2:15that is
- 2:16changing.
- 2:18Thousands of years ago, death meant a
- 2:20permanent state of unconsciousness.
- 2:24Centuries later, it was more narrowly
- 2:26defined as what happens when the heart
- 2:28stops beating.
- 2:30Well, then we learned how to restart the
- 2:32heart. So, we moved to a definition of
- 2:35the [snorts] death of the brain. If
- 2:37there was no brain activity, well,
- 2:38surely it meant that a person was dead.
- 2:42But then we found out that things are
- 2:45still happening in the brain after that
- 2:47point, too.
- 2:49Underneath all of our attempts to define
- 2:51death, we only ever framed it according
- 2:54to how far down we could see at the
- 2:56time.
- 2:57Today, we can see further down than
- 2:59ever. So, the definition of death has
- 3:01moved beyond the failure of just one
- 3:03individual organ.
- 3:05It's more like a ladder that slowly
- 3:07descends, with each step becoming harder
- 3:10to recover from.
- 3:13When blood stops moving through your
- 3:15body, your brain only has about 10
- 3:17seconds of usable oxygen. That is 10
- 3:21seconds until the lights are out.
- 3:24But losing consciousness and being gone
- 3:27run on two different clocks.
- 3:30Consciousness can go away in seconds.
- 3:32The window where you can still be
- 3:34brought back runs for minutes, and that
- 3:37gap between the two is the reason that
- 3:40the rest of this video exists.
- 3:43Uh but first,
- 3:45why the 10-second window?
- 3:47Well, it comes down to how a single
- 3:50neuron works.
- 3:51Every neuron holds an electrical charge
- 3:54across its outer wall, and that charge
- 3:56is responsible for letting a neuron
- 3:58fire. But, it it's not just sitting
- 4:01there on its own. There's a cell holding
- 4:03it actively at all times, spending
- 4:06energy every second just to keep it
- 4:08topped up. Think of it as um
- 4:10as bailing water out of a boat that
- 4:13never stops leaking. As long as you can
- 4:16keep bailing, you are staying afloat. If
- 4:18you stop for just a few seconds, it
- 4:20sinks in well, just a few seconds. Not
- 4:23every neuron bails out at the same rate.
- 4:25Some are actually hungrier than others,
- 4:28and the hungrier ones naturally starve
- 4:30first. And I want you to remember that
- 4:32because it matters at the bottom of the
- 4:34ladder.
- 4:36We know all of this because of a machine
- 4:38called an EEG, short for
- 4:41electroencephalogram.
- 4:42It's a set of electrodes on the scalp
- 4:45that allows you to read the electrical
- 4:47rhythm of millions of brain cells all at
- 4:50once.
- 4:52With this, you can tell whether the
- 4:53cells are firing in a coordinated way.
- 4:56So, it's um
- 4:58it's more like a question of is this
- 5:00brain working as intended, as a
- 5:03detector, and less like a mind-reading
- 5:05tool. With these devices, we are able to
- 5:08observe the seven steps that happen in
- 5:10the time between when the lights go out
- 5:13and the few minutes when you can be
- 5:14brought back. And at the bottom of it
- 5:16all, there's a claim about what happens
- 5:18next. It came from the combined work of
- 5:21a Nobel Prize winner and a
- 5:23world-renowned anesthesiologist, and
- 5:25it's
- 5:26not purely theoretical. It's actually
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- 7:21story.
- 7:28Whether it's at the dentist or after
- 7:29breaking a few bones, you have most
- 7:32likely been sedated at some point in
- 7:34your life.
- 7:35That high that came after taking pills
- 7:38or an IV was likely from a sedative.
- 7:42Sedatives are the medicines that make
- 7:44you relaxed way beyond your default
- 7:46state of mind. So, you can talk, you can
- 7:49answer questions, or maybe even crack
- 7:51jokes.
- 7:52But, after the fact, you barely remember
- 7:55what you did while you were sedated. For
- 7:58most people, their only memory of being
- 8:00on sedatives is when they see videos or
- 8:03hear stories from loved ones who were
- 8:05present.
- 8:06Which makes you wonder,
- 8:08if you can't remember any of it,
- 8:11were you actually conscious through it?
- 8:13Sedatives are a unique case compared to
- 8:16anything else on this ladder. They don't
- 8:18actually switch off your awareness.
- 8:21After all, it takes some level of
- 8:23cognitive presence to answer questions
- 8:26and string sentences together. The real
- 8:28mystery with sedatives comes down to how
- 8:30they can switch off your inner recording
- 8:32of the world.
- 8:34Some sedatives block the brain from
- 8:36forming new memories, all while you are
- 8:38still awake and responsive.
- 8:41Everything is still working the way it
- 8:42should, but the experience never gets
- 8:44recorded. Factually, not remembering
- 8:48something isn't the same as not
- 8:50experiencing it. Just like when you get
- 8:52drunk and wake up on your friend's
- 8:54couch, it's not like you were possessed
- 8:56by another entity.
- 8:58The absence of memory isn't the same as
- 9:00an absence of experience.
- 9:08But, does that hold true when anesthesia
- 9:11is in the picture?
- 9:13On the outside, it's kind of the same
- 9:15thing with sedation, but deeper.
- 9:18But, internally, it's very different
- 9:20from sedatives.
- 9:21Anesthesia makes your brain go quiet in
- 9:23a way that sleep can never match. It is
- 9:26a gap in time.
- 9:28That is the only way to describe it from
- 9:30the inside.
- 9:31The problem with anesthesia isn't that
- 9:33we can't see anything, but we can. Put
- 9:36someone under and the EEG changes
- 9:38dramatically. The rhythms slow and the
- 9:41whole regions of the brain stop talking
- 9:43to each other.
- 9:45We can watch it happen live on a screen
- 9:47in every operating theater in the world.
- 9:50What we can't explain is why any of that
- 9:53produces nothing.
- 9:56We can describe the change perfectly and
- 9:57still have no idea why it deletes
- 10:01you.
- 10:02Even stranger is the underlying
- 10:04chemistry at play.
- 10:06Anesthetic gases bind to microtubules.
- 10:09In case you don't know what those are,
- 10:12microtubules are the internal
- 10:13scaffolding inside every cell, including
- 10:16your neurons. They're hollow tubes about
- 10:1925 nanometers across. They hold the
- 10:21cells' shape and move things around
- 10:23inside of it. Now, every time anesthetic
- 10:26gases bind with these microtubules,
- 10:29scientists have observed that they
- 10:30dampen something inside these tubes at a
- 10:33level much smaller than what we're
- 10:35familiar with in regular brain
- 10:37chemistry. Back in 2024, a team at
- 10:40Wellesley College gave rats a drug that
- 10:43makes microtubules a lot more stable.
- 10:46Then, they put the rats under an
- 10:48anesthetic called isoflurane.
- 10:51The rats took significantly longer to
- 10:53lose consciousness. Following this, a
- 10:56separate mouse study found the same
- 10:58effect using different compounds.
- 11:01Implicitly, this points in one
- 11:03direction. If we strengthen the
- 11:05scaffolding, anesthetics would have to
- 11:08work a lot harder to switch you off.
- 11:10This detail will matter a lot more later
- 11:13in the video.
- 11:19Comas are already an extremely [music]
- 11:22popular phenomenon, especially on the
- 11:24outside. We've all seen the film
- 11:26depictions and read the reports about
- 11:28people [music] who spent months in a
- 11:30coma.
- 11:31The headlines all say the same thing,
- 11:33unresponsive, no reaction to voice or
- 11:35touch or pain,
- 11:36but on the inside, well, things get
- 11:39tricky because right now there is no
- 11:41definitive answer for what goes on.
- 11:44And even more disturbing, we know some
- 11:48people are actually awake in there, but
- 11:50we can't explain why yet. This
- 11:53occurrence is what doctors call
- 11:55cognitive motor dissociation, and on
- 11:58paper it's defined as a patient who can
- 12:01hear, understand, and think, but whose
- 12:04brain cannot send signals to the body.
- 12:07Currently, 25% or or one in four
- 12:11unresponsive patients have displayed it.
- 12:13So, from the bedside they look
- 12:15completely unresponsive.
- 12:18On top of that, there is no way to
- 12:19detect it by a purely visual
- 12:21observation.
- 12:23The way doctors work around this
- 12:24limitation is,
- 12:26frankly, fascinating. First, they put
- 12:28the coma patient in a brain scanner.
- 12:30Then they're asked to imagine playing
- 12:32tennis. Next, the patient is then asked
- 12:35to imagine walking through their house.
- 12:37The two tasks immediately light up
- 12:40different parts of the brain.
- 12:42So, the test does something no amount of
- 12:45watching from the bedside could ever do.
- 12:48When the regions switch on cue, it means
- 12:51that someone is in there and they're
- 12:52listening and following instructions and
- 12:54still answering, all with the power of
- 12:57the brain, the
- 12:58only part of themselves that's still
- 13:00working. So far, we have only covered
- 13:02the rungs where the body is still
- 13:04running.
- 13:05Everything up until this point has
- 13:07assumed a heart beat.
- 13:15This one rests on an assumption we held
- 13:17for many years until advancements in
- 13:19medicine proved otherwise.
- 13:21On the outside, the verdict seems
- 13:23certain. It's clinical death, that's it.
- 13:26A condition where the heart stops and
- 13:28breathing stops. Until the middle of the
- 13:30last century, there was no preface. It
- 13:32was just called death, full stop, end of
- 13:34sentence. On the inside, this is where
- 13:37those 10 seconds get spent. The lights
- 13:39go out almost immediately.
- 13:41Here's how we come back from that.
- 13:44CPR.
- 13:45It's the thing you learn to the beat of
- 13:47Stayin' Alive by the Bee Gees. And it's
- 13:49a complete game changer in first aid.
- 13:51Chest compressions and defibrillation
- 13:54made this step of the ladder survivable.
- 13:56Thanks to CPR,
- 13:58clinical death stopped being a line that
- 14:01we cross, and it actually became a
- 14:03reversible process. If we can now bring
- 14:06people back from what we call death,
- 14:09then it means that for the first time in
- 14:11history, there are people who can tell
- 14:14us what it was like to be dead, even if
- 14:17only temporarily.
- 14:24Everyone assumes a dying brain fades
- 14:27out. That's why it's often depicted as a
- 14:29slow descent where everything grows cold
- 14:32and dark, and you slowly let go of your
- 14:35grasp on life.
- 14:37Until eventually, it all goes quiet.
- 14:40It's a reasonable assumption, but it's
- 14:42also wrong. In 2013, scientists
- 14:45Borgigin, Wang, and Mashour tested
- 14:47something new, again, with rats.
- 14:50After cardiac arrest, the rat brain
- 14:53produced a notable surge of gamma
- 14:55activity within the first 30 seconds.
- 14:59It was a highly [snorts] coherent result
- 15:01that kept happening immediately before
- 15:04the EEG reading finally went flat.
- 15:07Gamma waves are the brain's fastest
- 15:09rhythm. We experience about 40 cycles in
- 15:12a second.
- 15:13They are also associated with the
- 15:15coordinated processing that happens
- 15:17[music] when we experience alert,
- 15:18conscious thoughts. Couple that with the
- 15:21coherent results of that surge and this
- 15:23study from 2013 showed that the rats
- 15:26brain activity read in a similar manner
- 15:29to what we experience while conscious,
- 15:31but rats are rats. The question was
- 15:34whether it happens in us.
- 15:37So, in the same lab in 2023,
- 15:40four comatose patients were removed from
- 15:43their ventilators with consent from
- 15:45their families.
- 15:47Two of the patients produced what was
- 15:48described as {quote} organized gamma
- 15:52surges
- 15:53with much of the activity clustered in
- 15:55the temporoparietal junction,
- 15:57a region of the brain that pulls
- 15:58together sight, sound, touch, and
- 16:01balance to create a sense of where your
- 16:03body is in space.
- 16:06Even weirder, it's also the area
- 16:08associated with out-of-body experiences.
- 16:12And the surges effects didn't end there
- 16:15because Sam Parnia and his team ran a
- 16:17study called AWARE II tracking 567
- 16:21in-hospital cardiac arrests.
- 16:24But this time, they interviewed the
- 16:26survivors to get some real answers.
- 16:29The feedback was significantly skewed
- 16:32towards an unexpected result.
- 16:35Of the survivors they were able to
- 16:37interview, around 39%
- 16:39reported memories or perceptions that
- 16:41suggested they were aware in some way
- 16:45while being pronounced clinically dead.
- 16:48Upon learning this, it is tempting to
- 16:50call this [music] the brain's last
- 16:52firework,
- 16:53but that's not remotely true. Fireworks
- 16:56are chaotic, disordered, and designed to
- 16:59fade away after just a few seconds.
- 17:01What they found is the opposite.
- 17:04The signal here is more organized,
- 17:06connected, and more coordinated than the
- 17:09ordinary act [music] of waking up.
- 17:11Whatever is happening, it isn't the
- 17:13consequence of a system falling into
- 17:15disorder. With all that we've so far,
- 17:18there are still some lingering
- 17:20questions. For one, there's gamma. Gamma
- 17:22activity is mainly a correlate of
- 17:25consciousness, not proof of
- 17:26consciousness.
- 17:28In other words, because there's usually
- 17:30gamma activity during consciousness, we
- 17:32are led to believe that the readings
- 17:34mean a patient is experiencing something
- 17:36akin [music] to consciousness.
- 17:39Which brings in the next concern, the
- 17:41limited proof.
- 17:43In the 2023 study, only two out of four
- 17:46patients had the gamma-related results.
- 17:49And on top of that, none of the four
- 17:51survived.
- 17:52So, nobody can directly ask them what it
- 17:56was like.
- 17:57On the first rung of this ladder, we
- 17:58said that the absence of memory is not
- 18:01the absence of experience. But at the
- 18:03fifth rung, what we have is a worse, the
- 18:06full signature of an experience
- 18:09with nobody around to confirm it.
- 18:17This is the moment everyone recognizes.
- 18:21The flatline and the single extended
- 18:24beep. In every hospital drama ever made,
- 18:28this is where the doctor stops working,
- 18:30puts down his stethoscope, and somebody
- 18:32calls the time.
- 18:33When there's a flatline, there's no
- 18:35rhythm left on the EEG.
- 18:37Nothing.
- 18:39For most of the 20th century, this was
- 18:41the definition of death. Ask a doctor in
- 18:441970 what death is, and this is what
- 18:47they would point at. But today,
- 18:49it's rung six of seven, because there is
- 18:52something that happens after the
- 18:53silence.
- 18:59Terminal spreading depolarization.
- 19:03A slow wave of collapse moving across
- 19:06the surface of the brain after an EEG
- 19:09has gone silent.
- 19:10It begins in the deeper cortical layers
- 19:13of your brain and the hungriest cells
- 19:15with the highest energy demands.
- 19:18Those cells [music] starve first.
- 19:21Then it spreads outwards moving across
- 19:23the cortex region by region.
- 19:26Every cell loses the voltage it spent a
- 19:28lifetime holding on to.
- 19:31And nobody has ever described what it's
- 19:33like because nobody has ever come back
- 19:35from this level to tell us.
- 19:37Although thanks to advancements in
- 19:39scientific research, we are starting to
- 19:41get some pieces of the puzzle.
- 19:48Enter Stuart Hameroff, an
- 19:50anesthesiologist by profession.
- 19:52He spent his entire career in switching
- 19:54[music] consciousness off for a living
- 19:56and then at some point he began to
- 19:59wonder where it went.
- 20:01Here's what bothered him.
- 20:03We can tell you which receptors
- 20:04anesthetic drugs bind to. What we can't
- 20:07explain is why that produces nothing.
- 20:12Chemistry can explain sedation,
- 20:14confusion, drowsiness, even a dull
- 20:16response, but it has never explained the
- 20:19gap. So he went looking for answers in a
- 20:22completely different field.
- 20:24Quantum physics. [music] In quantum
- 20:26physics, a very small system can hold
- 20:29several possible states at once instead
- 20:31of settling into just one.
- 20:33When it does settle though, physicists
- 20:35call that a collapse. So picture it like
- 20:38this. You're in a dark room and under a
- 20:41spotlight is a spinning coin on a table.
- 20:43While it's spinning, it isn't heads or
- 20:45tails. It's a blur of both
- 20:47possibilities. It's a perfect mixture of
- 20:49all possible outcomes.
- 20:52But the moment you touch the coin and
- 20:54take a hard look, it slams down flat on
- 20:57one outcome. Just heads or tails. It's
- 21:00final and it's definite. That sudden
- 21:02shift from maybe to is
- 21:06that is the collapse.
- 21:08Roger Penrose, the mathematical
- 21:10physicist who won the Nobel Prize in
- 21:122020, had arrived at the same territory
- 21:15from the opposite direction, not from
- 21:17operating in medical theaters, but from
- 21:20the mathematics of how quantum states
- 21:22settle in the first place.
- 21:25Today, we call it Orch OR.
- 21:27And here's how it changes our view of
- 21:29the latter. First is the OR part from
- 21:32Penrose.
- 21:33Objective reduction.
- 21:36It's the idea that collapse happens on
- 21:38its own when triggered by gravity,
- 21:40rather than because someone measured it.
- 21:42So, the more mass something has, the
- 21:45faster [music] a collapse happens.
- 21:47Meanwhile, Hameroff discovered the Orch
- 21:50or orchestrated part of Orch OR. He
- 21:53argued that microtubules inside neurons
- 21:56are structured enough to organize these
- 21:59collapses instead of letting them happen
- 22:01randomly.
- 22:02Combined, their argument is that
- 22:05consciousness isn't something the brain
- 22:07is producing. Rather,
- 22:09it's derived from orchestrated
- 22:11collapses, a process that begins at a
- 22:14level underneath chemistry.
- 22:16Hameroff argues that when the heart
- 22:18stops and the microtubules lose their
- 22:20quantum state, the information held in
- 22:22them isn't destroyed. Instead, it
- 22:25disperses out into the universe. But, if
- 22:28a patient is revived, it can return to
- 22:30the body. On that note, he goes on to
- 22:32suggest that we ought to define such
- 22:34moments as near-death experiences.
- 22:37However, if the patient isn't revived,
- 22:41the information in their microtubules
- 22:43may persist outside of the body
- 22:45indefinitely.
- 22:47In such cases, he identifies it as a
- 22:50soul.
- 22:51Hameroff's claim has been through 20
- 22:53years of serious scrutiny, and for most
- 22:55of that time, the objection was winning.
- 22:58For the doubters, the first objection is
- 23:00decoherence, an understanding that
- 23:02quantum behavior is fragile. As a
- 23:05result, any contact with a warm, noisy
- 23:08environment destroys it almost
- 23:09instantly.
- 23:11The brain is the exact kind of
- 23:12environment that promotes decoherence.
- 23:14It's warm, it's wet, and it's
- 23:16electrically loud. It's just about the
- 23:18worst place imaginable for quantum
- 23:20behavior.
- 23:22Given these facts, the standard rebuttal
- 23:24against Or go are claims that quantum
- 23:27states in a brain should last for
- 23:28femtoseconds. That is trillions of a
- 23:31second. Far too short a window to matter
- 23:34for
- 23:35well, anything.
- 23:36For a long time, that rebuttal was
- 23:38considered the end of the Or go are
- 23:40argument.
- 23:42But three findings have complicated it.
- 23:46Babcock, Kurian, et al. found that
- 23:49networks of tryptophan inside
- 23:50microtubules can produce something
- 23:52called super radiance at body
- 23:55temperature.
- 23:56Picture a stadium of people clapping all
- 23:58at random. It's just noise.
- 24:01Now, picture that same crowd clapping in
- 24:04perfect sync.
- 24:06It doesn't sound the same as before.
- 24:07Yet, it is the same people with the same
- 24:09energy.
- 24:11You create synchronization, and it's a
- 24:13completely different phenomenon.
- 24:15In sync, it's one sound, far louder and
- 24:18behaving as a single cohesive unit.
- 24:21Molecules are able to do that with light
- 24:23instead of sound. A crowd syncs because
- 24:25everyone can hear everyone.
- 24:28But at the molecular scale inside the
- 24:30hot, jostling chaos of a cell, nothing
- 24:32should be able to coordinate with
- 24:34anything else. There is no
- 24:36hearing at that distance.
- 24:39And yet,
- 24:40the effect didn't fade. It only got
- 24:42stronger as the microtubules got larger,
- 24:45the exact opposite of what decoherence
- 24:48from the doubters predicts.
- 24:50And then came the supporting evidence.
- 24:52Kalra, a researcher along with his
- 24:54colleagues, found that anesthetics
- 24:56shorten quantum optical effects in
- 24:59proportion to their clinical strength.
- 25:02Here's what that means.
- 25:03Remember the scaffolding that we
- 25:04mentioned all the way back at rung
- 25:06number two?
- 25:07At rung two, stabilizing the scaffolding
- 25:10made anesthetics work harder.
- 25:12Calera's group came at it from the other
- 25:14end.
- 25:15They measured the quantum optical
- 25:17effects inside microtubules directly,
- 25:19then dosed them with anesthetics. And
- 25:22the stronger the anesthetic, the further
- 25:24those effects dropped. Two different
- 25:28experiments, same structure at the
- 25:30center of both.
- 25:32Then in 2024, Liu, Chen, and Ao
- 25:34published a model in the journal
- 25:36Physical Review E.
- 25:38This group treated the myelin sheath, a
- 25:40protective fatty layer in the brain's
- 25:42nerve fibers, as a cavity that could
- 25:45generate entangled photon pairs.
- 25:47It's a model rather than an experiment,
- 25:50but the idea is that this fatty coating
- 25:52in your brain might actually be a
- 25:54natural factory for producing linked
- 25:57pairs of photons. It's a separate idea
- 26:00from superradiance, but it does point in
- 26:02the same direction.
- 26:04Quantum effects turning up in warm
- 26:06biological tissue where nobody expected
- 26:08to find them. There's one thing that has
- 26:11to be said about this, though.
- 26:13All of this comes from laboratory
- 26:14preparations, isolated proteins,
- 26:17controlled conditions, and careful
- 26:19equipment.
- 26:21Nobody has demonstrated any of it inside
- 26:24a living brain.
- 26:27Most theories of consciousness cannot be
- 26:29tested.
- 26:30But this next one made an unexpected
- 26:33mistake. It made a prediction. If
- 26:37gravity is constantly collapsing quantum
- 26:39states like Penrose proposed,
- 26:42then that means it's constantly moving
- 26:44particles around. These moved and
- 26:46charged particles emit radiation. So,
- 26:49according to Penrose's predictions,
- 26:52every piece of ordinary matter in the
- 26:54universe should be leaking a faint
- 26:56trickle of x-rays, not just in an
- 26:59experiment, but
- 27:00everywhere, including the chair you're
- 27:02sitting on. This is known as the DOC
- 27:05Penrose model.
- 27:06And the implication from this model was
- 27:08simple.
- 27:09If these x-rays are found to be visible
- 27:11under similar conditions to the brain,
- 27:14then Penrose's objective reduction in
- 27:16Orch OR has a valid basis to it. As it
- 27:20turns out, you can go looking for these
- 27:23x-rays, but you need to find somewhere
- 27:25quiet enough.
- 27:26So, 1,400 m under a mountain in central
- 27:30Italy, there's a structure called the
- 27:31Gran Sasso National Laboratory. And it's
- 27:34only reachable through the use of a
- 27:35motorway tunnel. Conveniently enough,
- 27:37it's also a place that suits the test
- 27:39for Penrose's predictions.
- 27:42The rock at this laboratory blocks the
- 27:44constant rain of particles from space
- 27:46that would drown signals at the surface.
- 27:49Down here in the dark, physicists
- 27:52shielded a germanium crystal and then
- 27:54watched it. Their reasoning was pretty
- 27:56simple.
- 27:57They were looking for a microscopic
- 27:59gravity-driven snap of radiation.
- 28:03The exact mathematical signature that
- 28:05physicist Roger Penrose claimed gives
- 28:07rise to conscious moments.
- 28:10They sought out to find the faintest
- 28:12possible confirmation
- 28:14that the soul might be a physics
- 28:17problem. They found nothing. Tananati
- 28:20and colleagues published in Nature
- 28:22Physics in 2021.
- 28:24This version of the DOC Penrose model
- 28:26was ruled out. That's the cleanest form
- 28:29of the theory, the one with no
- 28:30adjustable settings that can be quietly
- 28:32tuned to fit whatever the data shows.
- 28:35A follow-up assessment insisted that
- 28:38Orch OR is highly implausible on the
- 28:40simplest gravity-related collapse
- 28:42mechanism. Just like that, one of the
- 28:45oldest questions about consciousness
- 28:47found a tested answer in a crystal under
- 28:50a mountain
- 28:51and nothing happened.
- 28:54While the findings under the rock were
- 28:55true, Penrose isn't completely
- 28:58invalidated. When you check his initial
- 29:00work, his formulation never used the
- 29:03same steps this test uses. Therefore,
- 29:06even in 2026, there are teams building
- 29:08refined collapse models to specifically
- 29:10test out Penrose's theory.
- 29:13Meanwhile, other teams exist to test the
- 29:15many quantum consciousness theories.
- 29:17Before we close this chapter on Orch OR,
- 29:19there is one more detail, and it's easy
- 29:22to miss. In the very chapter of his
- 29:24research where Hameroff lays out the
- 29:26quantum soul hypothesis, he notes that
- 29:30Penrose doesn't necessarily endorse
- 29:32proposals of this kind. The physicist
- 29:34whose name is on the theory, the Nobel
- 29:37laureate who built the collapse
- 29:38mechanism the entire thing rests on.
- 29:41It turns out that he declined to cosign
- 29:44the part about the afterlife. The
- 29:46concerning thing here isn't that the
- 29:47theory might be wrong. It's that the man
- 29:50who built the physics underneath it
- 29:52looked at where it led
- 29:54and then stopped walking.
- 29:56Back in school, you were taught that
- 29:58energy can't be created or destroyed.
- 30:01But, there is a different, less popular
- 30:03rule that we rarely discuss.
- 30:06Information can't be destroyed, either.
- 30:09In physics, information means the
- 30:10complete physical state of a thing. So,
- 30:13that includes where every particle is,
- 30:15how it's moving, how it correlates with
- 30:18everything around it. It doesn't mean
- 30:20memories, and it doesn't mean
- 30:22personality. It just means the
- 30:24arrangement. And you can scramble it all
- 30:27you like. You can't delete it.
- 30:30When information is lost from a system
- 30:32through decoherence, it doesn't vanish.
- 30:35It just moves into the environment. This
- 30:37is known as the no hiding theorem. This
- 30:40is the driving principle behind the
- 30:42black hole information paradox.
- 30:45And here's what upsets physicists.
- 30:47Nobody is troubled by black holes
- 30:50destroying matter. We're already
- 30:52familiar with matter getting destroyed
- 30:54constantly.
- 30:56Instead, they are troubled by black
- 30:58holes possibly destroying information
- 31:01because as far as we can tell,
- 31:03the universe shouldn't permit it.
- 31:06So, here's what exactly exists below the
- 31:08ladder. The specific configuration that
- 31:11was you. Every state, every correlation,
- 31:13the exact arrangement. None of it
- 31:16is erased when you die.
- 31:18It's all dispersed.
- 31:20In the strictest technical sense, it is
- 31:22still present.
- 31:24And that sounds exactly like what
- 31:26Hameroff said.
- 31:28But, it isn't. He described something
- 31:30that stays organized, a coherent set of
- 31:33information that is still in some sense
- 31:36your consciousness, and that it can find
- 31:38its way back into a body. This promises
- 31:40none of that.
- 31:42What survives is arrangement without
- 31:44structure.
- 31:45Scattered into everything you ever
- 31:47touched. No pattern, no experience, no
- 31:50route back. Preserved doesn't mean
- 31:53retrievable.
- 31:54When you stir milk into coffee, every
- 31:56molecule of milk is still in that cup.
- 31:59None of it was destroyed and nothing was
- 32:00lost. But, you can't get that milk back.
- 32:04Not with better equipment or with time
- 32:06to recover it. And yet, you can taste
- 32:08the milk. It's still there in a way that
- 32:11registers, in a way that can be
- 32:12detected. Compared to the milk, there is
- 32:15no vantage point in the universe from
- 32:17which the dispersed version of you
- 32:21registers as anything at all.
- 32:24Recovering all parts of you would mean
- 32:26reading the entire environment you
- 32:28dissolved into in perfect detail, then
- 32:30running every interaction backwards.
- 32:33Nothing inside this universe can do
- 32:35that. You are preserved and unreadable
- 32:38at the same time.
- 32:39An immortality that's no different from
- 32:41annihilation. Speaking of immortality,
- 32:44watch this video next where we talk
- 32:46about the quantum theory of immortality
- 32:48that predicts that you might just live
- 32:50forever.
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