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  1. 0:0010, 9, 8, 7.
  2. 0:04You're drowsy, buried under a foggy
  3. 0:07mask.
  4. 0:08The countdown feels like it was only a
  5. 0:11moment ago, but as you struggle to scan
  6. 0:14the room, you can see worn-out doctors.
  7. 0:16Surgical equipment is getting rolled
  8. 0:18away, and the atmosphere is heavier,
  9. 0:21more raw.
  10. 0:234 hours of your life just happened, and
  11. 0:26you weren't in them.
  12. 0:28It's tempting to call it sleep, but
  13. 0:31sleep is something that you pass
  14. 0:32through. Time moves, you dream, you turn
  15. 0:36over. Uh a sound from the street can
  16. 0:39pull you out of it.
  17. 0:41Anesthesia leaves nothing behind. No
  18. 0:44dreams or memories. For those 4 hours,
  19. 0:48as far as you can perceive,
  20. 0:50you didn't exist. But then, at the end
  21. 0:53of it,
  22. 0:54you came back.
  23. 0:56The strange part is that this is
  24. 0:58routine. Thousands of times a day in
  25. 1:02hospitals across the world, someone
  26. 1:04switches a person off, and then [snorts]
  27. 1:06switches them back on, and right on
  28. 1:09schedule. 180 years of doing this, and
  29. 1:13we still can't explain what happens to
  30. 1:16you in those 4 hours.
  31. 1:19Take the anesthesiologist out of the
  32. 1:21room, and you are left with the same
  33. 1:23descent into nothingness, only that no
  34. 1:26one can bring you back.
  35. 1:28We call that dying. For all of human
  36. 1:31history, we have been fascinated with
  37. 1:33the concept of death.
  38. 1:34>> [music]
  39. 1:35>> It spawned entire cultures, mythologies,
  40. 1:38and religions.
  41. 1:39Still, we've never been able to figure
  42. 1:42out what happens when we die. But, in
  43. 1:45the last decade, medicine, biotech, and
  44. 1:48strangely quantum physics
  45. 1:51have started pulling answers out of the
  46. 1:53dark.
  47. 1:54Where does your consciousness go when
  48. 1:56you die?
  49. 1:58And how do some people come back from
  50. 1:59it?
  51. 2:01This is the quantum theory of
  52. 2:03consciousness after death.
  53. 2:11What even is death?
  54. 2:13Well, as it turns out, the answer to
  55. 2:15that is
  56. 2:16changing.
  57. 2:18Thousands of years ago, death meant a
  58. 2:20permanent state of unconsciousness.
  59. 2:24Centuries later, it was more narrowly
  60. 2:26defined as what happens when the heart
  61. 2:28stops beating.
  62. 2:30Well, then we learned how to restart the
  63. 2:32heart. So, we moved to a definition of
  64. 2:35the [snorts] death of the brain. If
  65. 2:37there was no brain activity, well,
  66. 2:38surely it meant that a person was dead.
  67. 2:42But then we found out that things are
  68. 2:45still happening in the brain after that
  69. 2:47point, too.
  70. 2:49Underneath all of our attempts to define
  71. 2:51death, we only ever framed it according
  72. 2:54to how far down we could see at the
  73. 2:56time.
  74. 2:57Today, we can see further down than
  75. 2:59ever. So, the definition of death has
  76. 3:01moved beyond the failure of just one
  77. 3:03individual organ.
  78. 3:05It's more like a ladder that slowly
  79. 3:07descends, with each step becoming harder
  80. 3:10to recover from.
  81. 3:13When blood stops moving through your
  82. 3:15body, your brain only has about 10
  83. 3:17seconds of usable oxygen. That is 10
  84. 3:21seconds until the lights are out.
  85. 3:24But losing consciousness and being gone
  86. 3:27run on two different clocks.
  87. 3:30Consciousness can go away in seconds.
  88. 3:32The window where you can still be
  89. 3:34brought back runs for minutes, and that
  90. 3:37gap between the two is the reason that
  91. 3:40the rest of this video exists.
  92. 3:43Uh but first,
  93. 3:45why the 10-second window?
  94. 3:47Well, it comes down to how a single
  95. 3:50neuron works.
  96. 3:51Every neuron holds an electrical charge
  97. 3:54across its outer wall, and that charge
  98. 3:56is responsible for letting a neuron
  99. 3:58fire. But, it it's not just sitting
  100. 4:01there on its own. There's a cell holding
  101. 4:03it actively at all times, spending
  102. 4:06energy every second just to keep it
  103. 4:08topped up. Think of it as um
  104. 4:10as bailing water out of a boat that
  105. 4:13never stops leaking. As long as you can
  106. 4:16keep bailing, you are staying afloat. If
  107. 4:18you stop for just a few seconds, it
  108. 4:20sinks in well, just a few seconds. Not
  109. 4:23every neuron bails out at the same rate.
  110. 4:25Some are actually hungrier than others,
  111. 4:28and the hungrier ones naturally starve
  112. 4:30first. And I want you to remember that
  113. 4:32because it matters at the bottom of the
  114. 4:34ladder.
  115. 4:36We know all of this because of a machine
  116. 4:38called an EEG, short for
  117. 4:41electroencephalogram.
  118. 4:42It's a set of electrodes on the scalp
  119. 4:45that allows you to read the electrical
  120. 4:47rhythm of millions of brain cells all at
  121. 4:50once.
  122. 4:52With this, you can tell whether the
  123. 4:53cells are firing in a coordinated way.
  124. 4:56So, it's um
  125. 4:58it's more like a question of is this
  126. 5:00brain working as intended, as a
  127. 5:03detector, and less like a mind-reading
  128. 5:05tool. With these devices, we are able to
  129. 5:08observe the seven steps that happen in
  130. 5:10the time between when the lights go out
  131. 5:13and the few minutes when you can be
  132. 5:14brought back. And at the bottom of it
  133. 5:16all, there's a claim about what happens
  134. 5:18next. It came from the combined work of
  135. 5:21a Nobel Prize winner and a
  136. 5:23world-renowned anesthesiologist, and
  137. 5:25it's
  138. 5:26not purely theoretical. It's actually
  139. 5:29lab tested. Before we take that first
  140. 5:31step down, there's something worrying
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  146. 5:43being organized, tracked, and cataloged.
  147. 5:47Dozens, sometimes hundreds of companies
  148. 5:50are quietly collecting your data. Your
  149. 5:52name, your location, your browsing
  150. 5:54habits, even your search history. Piece
  151. 5:57by piece, they assemble it into a
  152. 5:59detailed profile of who you are. And
  153. 6:02those profiles don't just sit there.
  154. 6:05They're sold to the highest bidder to
  155. 6:07target you with ads, pull your attention
  156. 6:09in directions you didn't choose,
  157. 6:12and sometimes even end up in the hands
  158. 6:15of bad actors who use that information
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  187. 7:21story.
  188. 7:28Whether it's at the dentist or after
  189. 7:29breaking a few bones, you have most
  190. 7:32likely been sedated at some point in
  191. 7:34your life.
  192. 7:35That high that came after taking pills
  193. 7:38or an IV was likely from a sedative.
  194. 7:42Sedatives are the medicines that make
  195. 7:44you relaxed way beyond your default
  196. 7:46state of mind. So, you can talk, you can
  197. 7:49answer questions, or maybe even crack
  198. 7:51jokes.
  199. 7:52But, after the fact, you barely remember
  200. 7:55what you did while you were sedated. For
  201. 7:58most people, their only memory of being
  202. 8:00on sedatives is when they see videos or
  203. 8:03hear stories from loved ones who were
  204. 8:05present.
  205. 8:06Which makes you wonder,
  206. 8:08if you can't remember any of it,
  207. 8:11were you actually conscious through it?
  208. 8:13Sedatives are a unique case compared to
  209. 8:16anything else on this ladder. They don't
  210. 8:18actually switch off your awareness.
  211. 8:21After all, it takes some level of
  212. 8:23cognitive presence to answer questions
  213. 8:26and string sentences together. The real
  214. 8:28mystery with sedatives comes down to how
  215. 8:30they can switch off your inner recording
  216. 8:32of the world.
  217. 8:34Some sedatives block the brain from
  218. 8:36forming new memories, all while you are
  219. 8:38still awake and responsive.
  220. 8:41Everything is still working the way it
  221. 8:42should, but the experience never gets
  222. 8:44recorded. Factually, not remembering
  223. 8:48something isn't the same as not
  224. 8:50experiencing it. Just like when you get
  225. 8:52drunk and wake up on your friend's
  226. 8:54couch, it's not like you were possessed
  227. 8:56by another entity.
  228. 8:58The absence of memory isn't the same as
  229. 9:00an absence of experience.
  230. 9:08But, does that hold true when anesthesia
  231. 9:11is in the picture?
  232. 9:13On the outside, it's kind of the same
  233. 9:15thing with sedation, but deeper.
  234. 9:18But, internally, it's very different
  235. 9:20from sedatives.
  236. 9:21Anesthesia makes your brain go quiet in
  237. 9:23a way that sleep can never match. It is
  238. 9:26a gap in time.
  239. 9:28That is the only way to describe it from
  240. 9:30the inside.
  241. 9:31The problem with anesthesia isn't that
  242. 9:33we can't see anything, but we can. Put
  243. 9:36someone under and the EEG changes
  244. 9:38dramatically. The rhythms slow and the
  245. 9:41whole regions of the brain stop talking
  246. 9:43to each other.
  247. 9:45We can watch it happen live on a screen
  248. 9:47in every operating theater in the world.
  249. 9:50What we can't explain is why any of that
  250. 9:53produces nothing.
  251. 9:56We can describe the change perfectly and
  252. 9:57still have no idea why it deletes
  253. 10:01you.
  254. 10:02Even stranger is the underlying
  255. 10:04chemistry at play.
  256. 10:06Anesthetic gases bind to microtubules.
  257. 10:09In case you don't know what those are,
  258. 10:12microtubules are the internal
  259. 10:13scaffolding inside every cell, including
  260. 10:16your neurons. They're hollow tubes about
  261. 10:1925 nanometers across. They hold the
  262. 10:21cells' shape and move things around
  263. 10:23inside of it. Now, every time anesthetic
  264. 10:26gases bind with these microtubules,
  265. 10:29scientists have observed that they
  266. 10:30dampen something inside these tubes at a
  267. 10:33level much smaller than what we're
  268. 10:35familiar with in regular brain
  269. 10:37chemistry. Back in 2024, a team at
  270. 10:40Wellesley College gave rats a drug that
  271. 10:43makes microtubules a lot more stable.
  272. 10:46Then, they put the rats under an
  273. 10:48anesthetic called isoflurane.
  274. 10:51The rats took significantly longer to
  275. 10:53lose consciousness. Following this, a
  276. 10:56separate mouse study found the same
  277. 10:58effect using different compounds.
  278. 11:01Implicitly, this points in one
  279. 11:03direction. If we strengthen the
  280. 11:05scaffolding, anesthetics would have to
  281. 11:08work a lot harder to switch you off.
  282. 11:10This detail will matter a lot more later
  283. 11:13in the video.
  284. 11:19Comas are already an extremely [music]
  285. 11:22popular phenomenon, especially on the
  286. 11:24outside. We've all seen the film
  287. 11:26depictions and read the reports about
  288. 11:28people [music] who spent months in a
  289. 11:30coma.
  290. 11:31The headlines all say the same thing,
  291. 11:33unresponsive, no reaction to voice or
  292. 11:35touch or pain,
  293. 11:36but on the inside, well, things get
  294. 11:39tricky because right now there is no
  295. 11:41definitive answer for what goes on.
  296. 11:44And even more disturbing, we know some
  297. 11:48people are actually awake in there, but
  298. 11:50we can't explain why yet. This
  299. 11:53occurrence is what doctors call
  300. 11:55cognitive motor dissociation, and on
  301. 11:58paper it's defined as a patient who can
  302. 12:01hear, understand, and think, but whose
  303. 12:04brain cannot send signals to the body.
  304. 12:07Currently, 25% or or one in four
  305. 12:11unresponsive patients have displayed it.
  306. 12:13So, from the bedside they look
  307. 12:15completely unresponsive.
  308. 12:18On top of that, there is no way to
  309. 12:19detect it by a purely visual
  310. 12:21observation.
  311. 12:23The way doctors work around this
  312. 12:24limitation is,
  313. 12:26frankly, fascinating. First, they put
  314. 12:28the coma patient in a brain scanner.
  315. 12:30Then they're asked to imagine playing
  316. 12:32tennis. Next, the patient is then asked
  317. 12:35to imagine walking through their house.
  318. 12:37The two tasks immediately light up
  319. 12:40different parts of the brain.
  320. 12:42So, the test does something no amount of
  321. 12:45watching from the bedside could ever do.
  322. 12:48When the regions switch on cue, it means
  323. 12:51that someone is in there and they're
  324. 12:52listening and following instructions and
  325. 12:54still answering, all with the power of
  326. 12:57the brain, the
  327. 12:58only part of themselves that's still
  328. 13:00working. So far, we have only covered
  329. 13:02the rungs where the body is still
  330. 13:04running.
  331. 13:05Everything up until this point has
  332. 13:07assumed a heart beat.
  333. 13:15This one rests on an assumption we held
  334. 13:17for many years until advancements in
  335. 13:19medicine proved otherwise.
  336. 13:21On the outside, the verdict seems
  337. 13:23certain. It's clinical death, that's it.
  338. 13:26A condition where the heart stops and
  339. 13:28breathing stops. Until the middle of the
  340. 13:30last century, there was no preface. It
  341. 13:32was just called death, full stop, end of
  342. 13:34sentence. On the inside, this is where
  343. 13:37those 10 seconds get spent. The lights
  344. 13:39go out almost immediately.
  345. 13:41Here's how we come back from that.
  346. 13:44CPR.
  347. 13:45It's the thing you learn to the beat of
  348. 13:47Stayin' Alive by the Bee Gees. And it's
  349. 13:49a complete game changer in first aid.
  350. 13:51Chest compressions and defibrillation
  351. 13:54made this step of the ladder survivable.
  352. 13:56Thanks to CPR,
  353. 13:58clinical death stopped being a line that
  354. 14:01we cross, and it actually became a
  355. 14:03reversible process. If we can now bring
  356. 14:06people back from what we call death,
  357. 14:09then it means that for the first time in
  358. 14:11history, there are people who can tell
  359. 14:14us what it was like to be dead, even if
  360. 14:17only temporarily.
  361. 14:24Everyone assumes a dying brain fades
  362. 14:27out. That's why it's often depicted as a
  363. 14:29slow descent where everything grows cold
  364. 14:32and dark, and you slowly let go of your
  365. 14:35grasp on life.
  366. 14:37Until eventually, it all goes quiet.
  367. 14:40It's a reasonable assumption, but it's
  368. 14:42also wrong. In 2013, scientists
  369. 14:45Borgigin, Wang, and Mashour tested
  370. 14:47something new, again, with rats.
  371. 14:50After cardiac arrest, the rat brain
  372. 14:53produced a notable surge of gamma
  373. 14:55activity within the first 30 seconds.
  374. 14:59It was a highly [snorts] coherent result
  375. 15:01that kept happening immediately before
  376. 15:04the EEG reading finally went flat.
  377. 15:07Gamma waves are the brain's fastest
  378. 15:09rhythm. We experience about 40 cycles in
  379. 15:12a second.
  380. 15:13They are also associated with the
  381. 15:15coordinated processing that happens
  382. 15:17[music] when we experience alert,
  383. 15:18conscious thoughts. Couple that with the
  384. 15:21coherent results of that surge and this
  385. 15:23study from 2013 showed that the rats
  386. 15:26brain activity read in a similar manner
  387. 15:29to what we experience while conscious,
  388. 15:31but rats are rats. The question was
  389. 15:34whether it happens in us.
  390. 15:37So, in the same lab in 2023,
  391. 15:40four comatose patients were removed from
  392. 15:43their ventilators with consent from
  393. 15:45their families.
  394. 15:47Two of the patients produced what was
  395. 15:48described as {quote} organized gamma
  396. 15:52surges
  397. 15:53with much of the activity clustered in
  398. 15:55the temporoparietal junction,
  399. 15:57a region of the brain that pulls
  400. 15:58together sight, sound, touch, and
  401. 16:01balance to create a sense of where your
  402. 16:03body is in space.
  403. 16:06Even weirder, it's also the area
  404. 16:08associated with out-of-body experiences.
  405. 16:12And the surges effects didn't end there
  406. 16:15because Sam Parnia and his team ran a
  407. 16:17study called AWARE II tracking 567
  408. 16:21in-hospital cardiac arrests.
  409. 16:24But this time, they interviewed the
  410. 16:26survivors to get some real answers.
  411. 16:29The feedback was significantly skewed
  412. 16:32towards an unexpected result.
  413. 16:35Of the survivors they were able to
  414. 16:37interview, around 39%
  415. 16:39reported memories or perceptions that
  416. 16:41suggested they were aware in some way
  417. 16:45while being pronounced clinically dead.
  418. 16:48Upon learning this, it is tempting to
  419. 16:50call this [music] the brain's last
  420. 16:52firework,
  421. 16:53but that's not remotely true. Fireworks
  422. 16:56are chaotic, disordered, and designed to
  423. 16:59fade away after just a few seconds.
  424. 17:01What they found is the opposite.
  425. 17:04The signal here is more organized,
  426. 17:06connected, and more coordinated than the
  427. 17:09ordinary act [music] of waking up.
  428. 17:11Whatever is happening, it isn't the
  429. 17:13consequence of a system falling into
  430. 17:15disorder. With all that we've so far,
  431. 17:18there are still some lingering
  432. 17:20questions. For one, there's gamma. Gamma
  433. 17:22activity is mainly a correlate of
  434. 17:25consciousness, not proof of
  435. 17:26consciousness.
  436. 17:28In other words, because there's usually
  437. 17:30gamma activity during consciousness, we
  438. 17:32are led to believe that the readings
  439. 17:34mean a patient is experiencing something
  440. 17:36akin [music] to consciousness.
  441. 17:39Which brings in the next concern, the
  442. 17:41limited proof.
  443. 17:43In the 2023 study, only two out of four
  444. 17:46patients had the gamma-related results.
  445. 17:49And on top of that, none of the four
  446. 17:51survived.
  447. 17:52So, nobody can directly ask them what it
  448. 17:56was like.
  449. 17:57On the first rung of this ladder, we
  450. 17:58said that the absence of memory is not
  451. 18:01the absence of experience. But at the
  452. 18:03fifth rung, what we have is a worse, the
  453. 18:06full signature of an experience
  454. 18:09with nobody around to confirm it.
  455. 18:17This is the moment everyone recognizes.
  456. 18:21The flatline and the single extended
  457. 18:24beep. In every hospital drama ever made,
  458. 18:28this is where the doctor stops working,
  459. 18:30puts down his stethoscope, and somebody
  460. 18:32calls the time.
  461. 18:33When there's a flatline, there's no
  462. 18:35rhythm left on the EEG.
  463. 18:37Nothing.
  464. 18:39For most of the 20th century, this was
  465. 18:41the definition of death. Ask a doctor in
  466. 18:441970 what death is, and this is what
  467. 18:47they would point at. But today,
  468. 18:49it's rung six of seven, because there is
  469. 18:52something that happens after the
  470. 18:53silence.
  471. 18:59Terminal spreading depolarization.
  472. 19:03A slow wave of collapse moving across
  473. 19:06the surface of the brain after an EEG
  474. 19:09has gone silent.
  475. 19:10It begins in the deeper cortical layers
  476. 19:13of your brain and the hungriest cells
  477. 19:15with the highest energy demands.
  478. 19:18Those cells [music] starve first.
  479. 19:21Then it spreads outwards moving across
  480. 19:23the cortex region by region.
  481. 19:26Every cell loses the voltage it spent a
  482. 19:28lifetime holding on to.
  483. 19:31And nobody has ever described what it's
  484. 19:33like because nobody has ever come back
  485. 19:35from this level to tell us.
  486. 19:37Although thanks to advancements in
  487. 19:39scientific research, we are starting to
  488. 19:41get some pieces of the puzzle.
  489. 19:48Enter Stuart Hameroff, an
  490. 19:50anesthesiologist by profession.
  491. 19:52He spent his entire career in switching
  492. 19:54[music] consciousness off for a living
  493. 19:56and then at some point he began to
  494. 19:59wonder where it went.
  495. 20:01Here's what bothered him.
  496. 20:03We can tell you which receptors
  497. 20:04anesthetic drugs bind to. What we can't
  498. 20:07explain is why that produces nothing.
  499. 20:12Chemistry can explain sedation,
  500. 20:14confusion, drowsiness, even a dull
  501. 20:16response, but it has never explained the
  502. 20:19gap. So he went looking for answers in a
  503. 20:22completely different field.
  504. 20:24Quantum physics. [music] In quantum
  505. 20:26physics, a very small system can hold
  506. 20:29several possible states at once instead
  507. 20:31of settling into just one.
  508. 20:33When it does settle though, physicists
  509. 20:35call that a collapse. So picture it like
  510. 20:38this. You're in a dark room and under a
  511. 20:41spotlight is a spinning coin on a table.
  512. 20:43While it's spinning, it isn't heads or
  513. 20:45tails. It's a blur of both
  514. 20:47possibilities. It's a perfect mixture of
  515. 20:49all possible outcomes.
  516. 20:52But the moment you touch the coin and
  517. 20:54take a hard look, it slams down flat on
  518. 20:57one outcome. Just heads or tails. It's
  519. 21:00final and it's definite. That sudden
  520. 21:02shift from maybe to is
  521. 21:06that is the collapse.
  522. 21:08Roger Penrose, the mathematical
  523. 21:10physicist who won the Nobel Prize in
  524. 21:122020, had arrived at the same territory
  525. 21:15from the opposite direction, not from
  526. 21:17operating in medical theaters, but from
  527. 21:20the mathematics of how quantum states
  528. 21:22settle in the first place.
  529. 21:25Today, we call it Orch OR.
  530. 21:27And here's how it changes our view of
  531. 21:29the latter. First is the OR part from
  532. 21:32Penrose.
  533. 21:33Objective reduction.
  534. 21:36It's the idea that collapse happens on
  535. 21:38its own when triggered by gravity,
  536. 21:40rather than because someone measured it.
  537. 21:42So, the more mass something has, the
  538. 21:45faster [music] a collapse happens.
  539. 21:47Meanwhile, Hameroff discovered the Orch
  540. 21:50or orchestrated part of Orch OR. He
  541. 21:53argued that microtubules inside neurons
  542. 21:56are structured enough to organize these
  543. 21:59collapses instead of letting them happen
  544. 22:01randomly.
  545. 22:02Combined, their argument is that
  546. 22:05consciousness isn't something the brain
  547. 22:07is producing. Rather,
  548. 22:09it's derived from orchestrated
  549. 22:11collapses, a process that begins at a
  550. 22:14level underneath chemistry.
  551. 22:16Hameroff argues that when the heart
  552. 22:18stops and the microtubules lose their
  553. 22:20quantum state, the information held in
  554. 22:22them isn't destroyed. Instead, it
  555. 22:25disperses out into the universe. But, if
  556. 22:28a patient is revived, it can return to
  557. 22:30the body. On that note, he goes on to
  558. 22:32suggest that we ought to define such
  559. 22:34moments as near-death experiences.
  560. 22:37However, if the patient isn't revived,
  561. 22:41the information in their microtubules
  562. 22:43may persist outside of the body
  563. 22:45indefinitely.
  564. 22:47In such cases, he identifies it as a
  565. 22:50soul.
  566. 22:51Hameroff's claim has been through 20
  567. 22:53years of serious scrutiny, and for most
  568. 22:55of that time, the objection was winning.
  569. 22:58For the doubters, the first objection is
  570. 23:00decoherence, an understanding that
  571. 23:02quantum behavior is fragile. As a
  572. 23:05result, any contact with a warm, noisy
  573. 23:08environment destroys it almost
  574. 23:09instantly.
  575. 23:11The brain is the exact kind of
  576. 23:12environment that promotes decoherence.
  577. 23:14It's warm, it's wet, and it's
  578. 23:16electrically loud. It's just about the
  579. 23:18worst place imaginable for quantum
  580. 23:20behavior.
  581. 23:22Given these facts, the standard rebuttal
  582. 23:24against Or go are claims that quantum
  583. 23:27states in a brain should last for
  584. 23:28femtoseconds. That is trillions of a
  585. 23:31second. Far too short a window to matter
  586. 23:34for
  587. 23:35well, anything.
  588. 23:36For a long time, that rebuttal was
  589. 23:38considered the end of the Or go are
  590. 23:40argument.
  591. 23:42But three findings have complicated it.
  592. 23:46Babcock, Kurian, et al. found that
  593. 23:49networks of tryptophan inside
  594. 23:50microtubules can produce something
  595. 23:52called super radiance at body
  596. 23:55temperature.
  597. 23:56Picture a stadium of people clapping all
  598. 23:58at random. It's just noise.
  599. 24:01Now, picture that same crowd clapping in
  600. 24:04perfect sync.
  601. 24:06It doesn't sound the same as before.
  602. 24:07Yet, it is the same people with the same
  603. 24:09energy.
  604. 24:11You create synchronization, and it's a
  605. 24:13completely different phenomenon.
  606. 24:15In sync, it's one sound, far louder and
  607. 24:18behaving as a single cohesive unit.
  608. 24:21Molecules are able to do that with light
  609. 24:23instead of sound. A crowd syncs because
  610. 24:25everyone can hear everyone.
  611. 24:28But at the molecular scale inside the
  612. 24:30hot, jostling chaos of a cell, nothing
  613. 24:32should be able to coordinate with
  614. 24:34anything else. There is no
  615. 24:36hearing at that distance.
  616. 24:39And yet,
  617. 24:40the effect didn't fade. It only got
  618. 24:42stronger as the microtubules got larger,
  619. 24:45the exact opposite of what decoherence
  620. 24:48from the doubters predicts.
  621. 24:50And then came the supporting evidence.
  622. 24:52Kalra, a researcher along with his
  623. 24:54colleagues, found that anesthetics
  624. 24:56shorten quantum optical effects in
  625. 24:59proportion to their clinical strength.
  626. 25:02Here's what that means.
  627. 25:03Remember the scaffolding that we
  628. 25:04mentioned all the way back at rung
  629. 25:06number two?
  630. 25:07At rung two, stabilizing the scaffolding
  631. 25:10made anesthetics work harder.
  632. 25:12Calera's group came at it from the other
  633. 25:14end.
  634. 25:15They measured the quantum optical
  635. 25:17effects inside microtubules directly,
  636. 25:19then dosed them with anesthetics. And
  637. 25:22the stronger the anesthetic, the further
  638. 25:24those effects dropped. Two different
  639. 25:28experiments, same structure at the
  640. 25:30center of both.
  641. 25:32Then in 2024, Liu, Chen, and Ao
  642. 25:34published a model in the journal
  643. 25:36Physical Review E.
  644. 25:38This group treated the myelin sheath, a
  645. 25:40protective fatty layer in the brain's
  646. 25:42nerve fibers, as a cavity that could
  647. 25:45generate entangled photon pairs.
  648. 25:47It's a model rather than an experiment,
  649. 25:50but the idea is that this fatty coating
  650. 25:52in your brain might actually be a
  651. 25:54natural factory for producing linked
  652. 25:57pairs of photons. It's a separate idea
  653. 26:00from superradiance, but it does point in
  654. 26:02the same direction.
  655. 26:04Quantum effects turning up in warm
  656. 26:06biological tissue where nobody expected
  657. 26:08to find them. There's one thing that has
  658. 26:11to be said about this, though.
  659. 26:13All of this comes from laboratory
  660. 26:14preparations, isolated proteins,
  661. 26:17controlled conditions, and careful
  662. 26:19equipment.
  663. 26:21Nobody has demonstrated any of it inside
  664. 26:24a living brain.
  665. 26:27Most theories of consciousness cannot be
  666. 26:29tested.
  667. 26:30But this next one made an unexpected
  668. 26:33mistake. It made a prediction. If
  669. 26:37gravity is constantly collapsing quantum
  670. 26:39states like Penrose proposed,
  671. 26:42then that means it's constantly moving
  672. 26:44particles around. These moved and
  673. 26:46charged particles emit radiation. So,
  674. 26:49according to Penrose's predictions,
  675. 26:52every piece of ordinary matter in the
  676. 26:54universe should be leaking a faint
  677. 26:56trickle of x-rays, not just in an
  678. 26:59experiment, but
  679. 27:00everywhere, including the chair you're
  680. 27:02sitting on. This is known as the DOC
  681. 27:05Penrose model.
  682. 27:06And the implication from this model was
  683. 27:08simple.
  684. 27:09If these x-rays are found to be visible
  685. 27:11under similar conditions to the brain,
  686. 27:14then Penrose's objective reduction in
  687. 27:16Orch OR has a valid basis to it. As it
  688. 27:20turns out, you can go looking for these
  689. 27:23x-rays, but you need to find somewhere
  690. 27:25quiet enough.
  691. 27:26So, 1,400 m under a mountain in central
  692. 27:30Italy, there's a structure called the
  693. 27:31Gran Sasso National Laboratory. And it's
  694. 27:34only reachable through the use of a
  695. 27:35motorway tunnel. Conveniently enough,
  696. 27:37it's also a place that suits the test
  697. 27:39for Penrose's predictions.
  698. 27:42The rock at this laboratory blocks the
  699. 27:44constant rain of particles from space
  700. 27:46that would drown signals at the surface.
  701. 27:49Down here in the dark, physicists
  702. 27:52shielded a germanium crystal and then
  703. 27:54watched it. Their reasoning was pretty
  704. 27:56simple.
  705. 27:57They were looking for a microscopic
  706. 27:59gravity-driven snap of radiation.
  707. 28:03The exact mathematical signature that
  708. 28:05physicist Roger Penrose claimed gives
  709. 28:07rise to conscious moments.
  710. 28:10They sought out to find the faintest
  711. 28:12possible confirmation
  712. 28:14that the soul might be a physics
  713. 28:17problem. They found nothing. Tananati
  714. 28:20and colleagues published in Nature
  715. 28:22Physics in 2021.
  716. 28:24This version of the DOC Penrose model
  717. 28:26was ruled out. That's the cleanest form
  718. 28:29of the theory, the one with no
  719. 28:30adjustable settings that can be quietly
  720. 28:32tuned to fit whatever the data shows.
  721. 28:35A follow-up assessment insisted that
  722. 28:38Orch OR is highly implausible on the
  723. 28:40simplest gravity-related collapse
  724. 28:42mechanism. Just like that, one of the
  725. 28:45oldest questions about consciousness
  726. 28:47found a tested answer in a crystal under
  727. 28:50a mountain
  728. 28:51and nothing happened.
  729. 28:54While the findings under the rock were
  730. 28:55true, Penrose isn't completely
  731. 28:58invalidated. When you check his initial
  732. 29:00work, his formulation never used the
  733. 29:03same steps this test uses. Therefore,
  734. 29:06even in 2026, there are teams building
  735. 29:08refined collapse models to specifically
  736. 29:10test out Penrose's theory.
  737. 29:13Meanwhile, other teams exist to test the
  738. 29:15many quantum consciousness theories.
  739. 29:17Before we close this chapter on Orch OR,
  740. 29:19there is one more detail, and it's easy
  741. 29:22to miss. In the very chapter of his
  742. 29:24research where Hameroff lays out the
  743. 29:26quantum soul hypothesis, he notes that
  744. 29:30Penrose doesn't necessarily endorse
  745. 29:32proposals of this kind. The physicist
  746. 29:34whose name is on the theory, the Nobel
  747. 29:37laureate who built the collapse
  748. 29:38mechanism the entire thing rests on.
  749. 29:41It turns out that he declined to cosign
  750. 29:44the part about the afterlife. The
  751. 29:46concerning thing here isn't that the
  752. 29:47theory might be wrong. It's that the man
  753. 29:50who built the physics underneath it
  754. 29:52looked at where it led
  755. 29:54and then stopped walking.
  756. 29:56Back in school, you were taught that
  757. 29:58energy can't be created or destroyed.
  758. 30:01But, there is a different, less popular
  759. 30:03rule that we rarely discuss.
  760. 30:06Information can't be destroyed, either.
  761. 30:09In physics, information means the
  762. 30:10complete physical state of a thing. So,
  763. 30:13that includes where every particle is,
  764. 30:15how it's moving, how it correlates with
  765. 30:18everything around it. It doesn't mean
  766. 30:20memories, and it doesn't mean
  767. 30:22personality. It just means the
  768. 30:24arrangement. And you can scramble it all
  769. 30:27you like. You can't delete it.
  770. 30:30When information is lost from a system
  771. 30:32through decoherence, it doesn't vanish.
  772. 30:35It just moves into the environment. This
  773. 30:37is known as the no hiding theorem. This
  774. 30:40is the driving principle behind the
  775. 30:42black hole information paradox.
  776. 30:45And here's what upsets physicists.
  777. 30:47Nobody is troubled by black holes
  778. 30:50destroying matter. We're already
  779. 30:52familiar with matter getting destroyed
  780. 30:54constantly.
  781. 30:56Instead, they are troubled by black
  782. 30:58holes possibly destroying information
  783. 31:01because as far as we can tell,
  784. 31:03the universe shouldn't permit it.
  785. 31:06So, here's what exactly exists below the
  786. 31:08ladder. The specific configuration that
  787. 31:11was you. Every state, every correlation,
  788. 31:13the exact arrangement. None of it
  789. 31:16is erased when you die.
  790. 31:18It's all dispersed.
  791. 31:20In the strictest technical sense, it is
  792. 31:22still present.
  793. 31:24And that sounds exactly like what
  794. 31:26Hameroff said.
  795. 31:28But, it isn't. He described something
  796. 31:30that stays organized, a coherent set of
  797. 31:33information that is still in some sense
  798. 31:36your consciousness, and that it can find
  799. 31:38its way back into a body. This promises
  800. 31:40none of that.
  801. 31:42What survives is arrangement without
  802. 31:44structure.
  803. 31:45Scattered into everything you ever
  804. 31:47touched. No pattern, no experience, no
  805. 31:50route back. Preserved doesn't mean
  806. 31:53retrievable.
  807. 31:54When you stir milk into coffee, every
  808. 31:56molecule of milk is still in that cup.
  809. 31:59None of it was destroyed and nothing was
  810. 32:00lost. But, you can't get that milk back.
  811. 32:04Not with better equipment or with time
  812. 32:06to recover it. And yet, you can taste
  813. 32:08the milk. It's still there in a way that
  814. 32:11registers, in a way that can be
  815. 32:12detected. Compared to the milk, there is
  816. 32:15no vantage point in the universe from
  817. 32:17which the dispersed version of you
  818. 32:21registers as anything at all.
  819. 32:24Recovering all parts of you would mean
  820. 32:26reading the entire environment you
  821. 32:28dissolved into in perfect detail, then
  822. 32:30running every interaction backwards.
  823. 32:33Nothing inside this universe can do
  824. 32:35that. You are preserved and unreadable
  825. 32:38at the same time.
  826. 32:39An immortality that's no different from
  827. 32:41annihilation. Speaking of immortality,
  828. 32:44watch this video next where we talk
  829. 32:46about the quantum theory of immortality
  830. 32:48that predicts that you might just live
  831. 32:50forever.

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