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0:03Is Islam growing? Islam is moving. It's
0:07getting influence. They're getting
0:09they're they're making ground. So that's
0:10why it is important for Christians to
0:12take this seriously
0:17in their community and [music] their
0:19faith. They turn away from Islam and
0:21become a Christian. What does that cost
0:23them? Community [music]
0:25cut out. Mom and dad might do an honor.
0:29>> [music]
0:29>> wife might be stone. For them, it's
0:32everything. Everything that they've
0:33known.
0:35How can I engage in a simple,
0:38straightforward, healthy, respectful
0:41conversation and represent what I
0:44believe as a Christian and also have
0:48understanding of what they believe.
0:53What's up beat family? Allan here with
0:56my friend, my new friend.
0:57>> Yeah. just came in town last night. We
0:59chopped it up a little bit, getting to
1:01know each other and uh fast friends,
1:03man. I'm here with my friend Avery
1:05Austin. You may know him as God Logic
1:08Apologetics. And uh man, we got a good
1:11one for you today. This is a two-part
1:14series that we are doing to try to equip
1:17you to be able to have better
1:19conversations with people who don't
1:22believe the way you believe. And uh one
1:25video we are going to do uh black Hebrew
1:28Israelites and how to talk to them, how
1:30to converse with them, maybe even debate
1:32with them. Uh but in this video guys,
1:35this one's a special one. We are going
1:37to talk about something that's right up
1:39your alley, something that really helped
1:40you get your start on YouTube. Um
1:43engaging with uh Muslims. Yes. And so uh
1:47this is a big topic. Um it's huge uh
1:51right now in the body of Christ. Um, you
1:53might have friends, co-workers. Um, you
1:57might have people that you uh are in
1:59your neighborhood or whatnot. And they
2:01are um members of uh they're Muslims.
2:04They're they they believe in Islam.
2:06That's their their religion. And you
2:09might be stuck. You're not necessarily
2:11debating them online. Maybe you're not
2:13going live like uh Avery is. Yeah, you
2:16maybe you're not out there doing
2:17apologetics, but you you want to know
2:20how can I engage in a simple,
2:23straightforward, healthy, respectful
2:26conversation and represent what I
2:29believe as a Christian and also have
2:32understanding of what they believe
2:36and hopefully it leads to a conversion.
2:39But at the end of the day, hopefully we
2:41just give them some things.
2:44>> Plant the seed. Put a stone in their
2:45shoe. Whatever phrase you want to use.
2:47So,
2:48>> brother to the beat. Glad,
2:50>> man. I'm glad to be here on the beat,
2:52man. Yes, sir.
2:54>> Yeah. Islam, bro. Islam. The loud, the
2:58proud. Uh, what what you got for me,
3:01man? What What you got? What you want to
3:02ask? I'm an open book on this. I'm on
3:04this one. I'm a open book. Okay.
3:07>> All right. Let's Let's go, man. Let's
3:08not even let's not even waste the
3:09people's time.
3:13All right. So, uh let's jump in. So,
3:16let's just say you're talking to a
3:19Christian. Yeah. They know nothing about
3:21Islam at all. Yeah.
3:22>> They just know that their their neighbor
3:25is is a Muslim, right? So, what are just
3:28off the bat, what are some very
3:30important things that they need to know
3:33about um Islam? So they go into that
3:37conversation with a little bit of
3:39understanding.
3:40>> Yeah. So it's good to build bridges with
3:43people uh build connections with them so
3:45that you can have something to uh help
3:48stand on when it comes to the
3:50conversation. So the first thing that I
3:52would say uh that it's good for
3:56Christians to know is that Muslims
3:58really really pride themselves on uh
4:01Islam being a continuation of the
4:04previous messages, the previous
4:06prophets. So they affirm Abraham and you
4:11know David and Jesus and you know uh
4:15John the Baptist you know they affirm
4:17these prophets right but just as
4:19prophets they don't take Jesus as the
4:20son of God they believe he's the Messiah
4:23they don't know what that means though
4:24they don't know the implications of that
4:26but the Quran calls him the Messiah um
4:29they don't believe that he's Lord they
4:30don't believe he's divine in any way
4:32shape or form they believe he's just a
4:33messenger they believe he's born of a
4:35virgin mighty messenger and prophet of
4:37Allah. Um, and so they and that and
4:40Muhammad is just basically the
4:42culmination of everything that they
4:45brought. So he's just the final, you
4:48know, nail in the coffin, right? And the
4:50completion of the whole religion. So
4:52this is a place where actually, I know
4:54it sounds offensive, of course, for us
4:57Christians. Jesus is Lord, you know, he
4:59ain't just a mere man. That's
5:00disrespectful. That's like saying my
5:02mama ain't my mama, you know, but and
5:04just a good friend, you know. But no, uh
5:07it could be offensive. However, uh the
5:10perspective I would I would encourage
5:11Christians to come at this with is a a
5:14perspective of bridging the gap. So you
5:16can start with, oh, you believe the
5:18prophets. Good. We do too. What do the
5:20prophets What do you believe the
5:21prophets teach about salvation? What do
5:24they teach about God? Um how does
5:26Muhammad line up with them? You can
5:28build the conversation like that and
5:29they'll talk about that for days,
5:31>> you know. So
5:32>> that that's I guess I I would say that
5:34would be an very important concept to
5:36know.
5:37>> Okay. All right. Cool. So let's build on
5:38that a little bit.
5:43>> Let's talk um a little bit about a
5:46couple of words that we need to be aware
5:49of that you may not have ever heard
5:52these words at all, but they are very
5:54near and dear, I promise you, to your
5:57Muslim friends and your neighbors and
5:59whatnot. So let's talk about one the the
6:02tedhed.
6:04All right. So what is the talhed
6:07>> and why is that so important as it
6:10relates to what we believe as
6:13Christians? We believe in the trinity.
6:15Now we're going to get into more depth
6:16in terms of breaking down the trinity
6:18and all that. But let's just kind of get
6:19into that. How does that their belief
6:22this how does that
6:24>> connect or relate to our belief as
6:27Christians in terms of God? So
6:31it's that's a good question.
6:33>> Yeah.
6:34>> Um so just to start off, soed is the
6:37concept of the unification and oneness
6:41of Allah. So what that means is is that
6:43Allah has these attributes like the you
6:47know all merciful, all powerful, you
6:49know, all knowing stuff like that. um
6:52these these attributes are unified that
6:55make Allah who and what he is and these
6:58are attributes that are unique to him um
7:01his lordship his you know his deity it's
7:04all unique to him there's none other
7:06that you can attribute these type of
7:08attributes or qualities this worship
7:10this lordship it's all it all belongs to
7:13Allah this is who share it with any
7:15other
7:16>> being person no person so uh Allah is a
7:21singular god supposed he's a singular
7:24God and a singular person. All right? So
7:28he's one God and one person. Okay? There
7:30are no there's not a multitude of person
7:32not a multiplicity of persons within his
7:33essence. Only one person. Okay? Um and
7:37to think otherwise would be the
7:40uttermost blasphemy which is which is
7:43sherk. Okay. So, let's break that down a
7:46little bit because um if we don't
7:49understand that, then we can uh begin to
7:53feel like, well, man, all I did was, you
7:55know, talk about Jesus being God, why'
7:57they get so offended? Or if or or if I
7:59try to get them to be a Christian,
8:02>> we have to understand why that would be
8:05so offensive because So, correct me if
8:06I'm wrong, I did some research.
8:07>> Yeah. Uh sherk is associating a partner
8:12with God. Uh in Islam, sherk is the one
8:16sin God does not forgive. Y everything
8:19else is negotiable at the judgment. That
8:23one is not. So
8:26>> basically this is the the the key to the
8:28conversation. When a Muslim reacts to
8:30the trinity, he is not just losing a
8:33debate point. It's not like oh man, you
8:35know, okay man, I
8:36>> okay okay. I concede y'all believe. No,
8:39>> he believes that he is being invited to
8:42commit the unforgivable sin. So when you
8:45say, "Hey, believe in Jesus as God." Is
8:47that's it's a lot more than that for
8:48them. They believe that
8:50>> if I believe in your if I believe in
8:52Jesus as God,
8:53>> then I'm going against the which means
8:55that God the Father does not share any
8:58of his divine attributes with any other
9:00being. And now what you're telling me,
9:02Mr. or Mr. Christian is that Jesus
9:04shares the same divine essence as God
9:07the Father. And according to my beliefs,
9:10that's sherk, which is the unforgivable
9:12sin that will never be forgiven.
9:15>> Yeah. Now, for them, you know, they
9:17wouldn't even go so far as to say God
9:18the father because
9:20>> Oh, that's right. Break that down.
9:21Excuse me. Yes.
9:22>> Yeah. So, to say to say that God is the
9:24father, that in itself is sherk because
9:27now you're associating God with someone
9:29else as having a son. They're saying
9:31that there's someone like him, someone
9:33of his nature or his likeness.
9:35>> So they refuse. Well,
9:38>> uh, well, it's 2026 now, so that you you
9:41do have now Muslims coming out trying to
9:44negotiate whether Allah is a father or
9:46not now because of the problems this
9:48brings. But and we'll get into that
9:50later on in this. But the Quran is very
9:53very very very clear and it's actually
9:57probably it it's it repeats this all the
10:00time that Allah has no sons, no sons, no
10:04daughters. It the the Quran is like a a
10:06pyic against Christianity, you know,
10:09with a lot of straw men against
10:11Christian Christianity. meaning it
10:13doesn't it it attacks a
10:15misrepresentation of our faith as if it
10:18was our faith. And so that's what
10:20Muslims when they think of Christians,
10:22they think of how the Quran presents
10:24Christianity, not from real Christianity
10:27and what you know we know, not their own
10:30real study.
10:31>> So [clears throat] yeah, so they think
10:32that we're polytheists. M
10:34>> um they think to say that Allah has a
10:36son or say God the father that we're
10:39saying that there's multiple gods that
10:41there's a dad god and a son god you know
10:45so they they reject all of that. So
10:47right away you see that when you're
10:49having a conversation, this is so good.
10:50Right away you see when you're having a
10:52conversation with your Muslim friends,
10:54please be careful not to even say God
10:56the Father.
10:57>> If you want to try to Now we believe,
10:59yes, as Christians, we understand that.
11:01>> But if you're trying to make a
11:02connection and you're trying to bridge
11:05with them, as soon as you say God the
11:08Father, they're going to get checked
11:09out. They're going to start to like, oh,
11:12I don't want to have anything to do with
11:13your religion cuz already you're saying
11:14some stuff that my book. So you got to
11:16be careful
11:17>> usually. Yes. Yeah.
11:18>> And so depend. So like I said, it's
11:20tactics and it's it's setup and and how
11:24you set up these concepts. You don't
11:26want to, you know, bulldoze. Once you
11:29are getting into the conversation,
11:30getting into what the prophets taught,
11:33then you can demonstrate how God is the
11:35father. Not according to pagan
11:38Christians, but according to the
11:39prophets, God is our heavenly father.
11:42the same prophets you believe in and and
11:44attest and affirmed in your own book.
11:46>> In your own book.
11:47>> Okay. All right. So, so I can't wait to
11:49get there. I can't wait to get there.
11:51So, before we get there, earlier you
11:52mentioned Allah. All right. So, that's
11:54also something else that we need to
11:55think about because I think that
11:57>> Christians may have a
11:59>> false perspective of Allah
12:02>> as Muslims are worshiping another god or
12:05a different god. Right? And correct me
12:08if I'm wrong, but Allah is not the name
12:11of a different God. It's the Arabic word
12:14for God.
12:15>> And am I correct to say that?
12:17>> You're you're not you're not wrong. It's
12:19>> I mean, yeah, I know what you're saying.
12:21Yes, technically.
12:22>> Yeah, technically it's the word Arabic
12:24word for God to them. Um, but they in
12:28Islam that's the name of their God, you
12:30know, but but at the same time, it's
12:32not. It's weird. It depends on what
12:33Muslim you ask. Okay? Because if I ask a
12:36Muslim, what is okay? What is what is
12:37Allah's name? They'll say Allah,
12:40>> but Allah just means God. God is not a
12:42name. That's the title like Pharaoh or
12:43king, right?
12:44>> What is Allah's name? There's no real
12:46answer for it. They'll say he has many
12:47names. So, they treat Allah as a title
12:50or a name for for God. It's like
12:52interchangeable.
12:53>> But [clears throat] then you'll have
12:54Arab Christians.
12:55>> I was just about that's what I was about
12:56to say. Arab Christians who would also
12:58>> they use the term Allah.
12:59>> They use the term Allah.
13:00>> They say Jesus is a law.
13:01>> That's my point. So, you might meet
13:03someone who is an Arab, who's a
13:06Christian,
13:07>> and they will say Allah, and you might
13:10think, "Oh, whoa, whoa, hold on. Allah,
13:12you must be you must be Musl You must be
13:14Islam. You must Yeah.
13:15>> No, it's just they're Christians, but
13:18they're Arab."
13:19>> And in their language,
13:21>> Yeah.
13:22>> Allah means God. So, they are
13:25>> worshiping and referring to the same God
13:27as we are as Christians.
13:28>> Yeah. So if you if you pick up a Arabic
13:31Bible, it Jesus is Allah. The word is
13:33Allah in the Arabic Bible, you know, and
13:36so there's no wrong there's no problem
13:37with that. So this uh I know cuz we
13:40associate it with Islam automatically
13:43and you have to kind of be used to this
13:45world or used to dealing with them to
13:47not be so sensitive to the word Allah.
13:49You know, you just you you got to try to
13:52step out step out of that. And it's it's
13:55a word and it's just like God is a word,
13:59right? You know, it's just like God is a
14:00word. Anybody has a God that they
14:02attribute to.
14:04>> So, but for them, everybody has an Allah
14:06that we attribute to, but they believe
14:08that Allah is the true God, the most
14:09high, the all knowing, the one true
14:11creator, right? They don't believe that
14:13there's any other Allah's out there,
14:15>> right? And so that's okay, right?
14:18>> We can we can build off of that. The
14:20question is now, who is Allah? Right.
14:23>> Who is the true Allah? I have no problem
14:25with what you with using it. Yeah,
14:27>> you can say Allah. I'm cool with that.
14:28Who's the true Allah?
14:30>> You know,
14:31>> who's the true God?
14:35>> Before we get into all the the the nuts
14:37and bolts of thing, let's just talk
14:38about Islam in general. So,
14:40>> why is it important for us as Christians
14:44to be able to have these conversations
14:46with regards to is Islam growing? What's
14:50the trend? was the trajectory
14:53um you know maybe even possibly compared
14:55to uh to Christianity and I say that
14:58because if it's really trending and
15:00growing then that means there's going to
15:01be more and more of our friends and our
15:03co-workers and our neighbors who we're
15:06going to be inevitably having these
15:07conversations with.
15:08>> Yeah. Um so Islam is growing and it's
15:12not really due to conversions, it's due
15:14to birth rates,
15:15>> right? So they have multiple wives and
15:18they have multiple children by these
15:20wives and so the the Islamic family is
15:23growing and so then therefore Islam as a
15:26whole grows right and so then you have I
15:30mean if you look at how Islam is moving
15:32in the west now in Europe London uh it's
15:36Islam galore out there I mean they have
15:39mosques and the call to prayer loud in
15:42the neighborhoods like that's how it is.
15:44It's like is there's Islamic
15:46neighborhoods, you know. Um I was just
15:49in Dearbornne a few months ago,
15:50Dearbornne, Michigan, and they have mos
15:53mosques out there that do the loud call
15:55to prayer. Um this is in America. This
15:58is happening in America. So Islam is
16:00moving. It's getting influence. They're
16:02getting they're they're making ground.
16:04And so that's why it is important for
16:05Christians to take this seriously. Like
16:07it's Islam is a real threat. It's a real
16:10threat not just theologically, but to
16:12society. Islam is a threat.
16:14>> Um, women are in danger, children are in
16:16danger, men are in danger. Uh, we
16:20wouldn't be able to do this if Sharia
16:22law was implemented and Islam took over.
16:25We would not be able to have this free
16:27conversation about our disagreements and
16:29criticism about Islam.
16:31>> We we get arrested
16:32>> and possibly killed.
16:38>> All right. So when some most people I
16:40think whenever they think about an a
16:42Muslim they think about an immigrant,
16:44somebody who you know coming over from
16:47another country, but that's not actually
16:49necessarily the case here in the United
16:51States. No.
16:52>> Um correct me if I'm wrong, but about a
16:54third of Muslims are black.
16:56>> Am I correct?
16:57>> Now I don't know about the numbers. If
16:58you looked up the numbers that you got
17:00it,
17:00>> but there's a large percentage
17:01percentage.
17:02>> A lot of black Muslims, right? A lot of
17:04black Muslims in America. And it's
17:06interesting because you have
17:08within Islam, you have different sects.
17:11>> Yes.
17:11>> So you have one sect of Islam is a lot
17:14of people out here know is the Nation of
17:16Islam,
17:17>> right? So let's talk about that just to
17:18briefly distinguish.
17:20>> Yeah. They're they're kind of like the
17:21Hebrew Israelite version of of Islam.
17:24Yeah. Yeah. Like the the camp version.
17:26Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
17:28>> And so with and then within Nation of
17:30Islam, they've broken off into their own
17:33little sects or denominations. It's
17:34really crazy. But yes, so you have the
17:38Nation of Islam is more so like the
17:40Hebrew Israelite version of Islam.
17:43Blacks are the the true Muslims. Um you
17:47know the white man is the devil. You
17:49know what I'm saying? And the Shayan
17:51>> similar to now now Orthodox traditional
17:55Muslims like Sunni Muslims, Shia
17:57Muslims, they don't consider Nation of
17:59Islam Muslims Muslims. They don't
18:01because they have some crazy heretical
18:03beliefs according to the Quran. Like
18:05they believe that Allah came and uh and
18:07incarnated into like uh uh uh Elijah
18:10Muhammad and that Jesus incarnated into
18:14Farrakhan, you know, and that they like
18:16they are the like second or third coming
18:18of of Allah and of Jesus and stuff like
18:20that. That is absolutely heretical when
18:23it comes to Islam. Like even even for me
18:26when I'm talking to a Nation of Islam
18:28Muslim I'm like bro you not even you're
18:30not a Muslim
18:30>> right
18:31>> even I'm saying that
18:32>> so a lot of Muslims
18:34see people of the Nation of Islam as
18:36being not even it's like
18:39>> they see them as we see Mormons
18:42>> right okay right you're trying to
18:46>> you're trying to um piggyback off of the
18:48name
18:49>> but your beliefs and what you represent
18:52with regards to our book our history.
18:55>> It's so far off.
18:57>> It's off that. Yeah. But you call a
18:59nation of Islam just like Mormons call
19:01themselves
19:01>> Christians. Yeah. Turkey, Latter Day
19:04Saints,
19:04>> right?
19:08>> Speaking of some of these groups and
19:10then we're going to get into like the
19:11the really good stuff. But like uh so
19:14Muslims, there's different kinds.
19:16There's Sunni Muslims, right? So that's
19:17about 80 85 90% like most of the Muslims
19:20you meet are going to be Sunni Muslims.
19:22Yeah.
19:22>> Shia. Mhm.
19:24>> About 10 10 15% concentrated in Iraq by
19:27Iran. Byan Sufism.
19:30>> Sufiism.
19:31>> Sufiism. Okay. So that's just a I mean
19:34we don't need to talk too much about
19:35that, but what's the what's the big
19:36difference?
19:37>> They're more they're more so Sufiism is
19:39more like mystical. Okay.
19:40>> They're like the the hypers spiritual
19:44everything is metaphoric and and hypers
19:46spiritualized and mystical. Uh so they
19:50the way they see they're kind of like uh
19:53kind of like uh like
19:55>> new age new age Buddhism mixed with
19:59Islam like it's it's kind of stuff like
20:01that you know
20:02>> kind of like new age people who call
20:05themselves calls Christian look at them
20:06like
20:07>> you know crystals and sage and all that
20:09stuff is okay. Yeah.
20:10>> Yeah.
20:11>> Okay. So then you have uh uh Amadia
20:14>> Akmadi Akmadi Aki that's why I need you
20:17here. Yeah, pronounce [laughter] these
20:18words.
20:20>> I'm get I would get I would get
20:21destroyed. You can't pronounce our
20:23words.
20:24>> Okay. So that's like I mean what are
20:27they considered?
20:28>> So they are also by like Sunnis and Shia
20:30is considered non-Muslims. These are
20:31heretical groups. That would be like a
20:33Jehovah's Witness sect you know. So um
20:37they they believe that they believe in
20:38the crucifixion of Jesus. Um, but they
20:41also believe that somebody Ahmedi is the
20:45Messiah and that, you know, uh, and that
20:49there's another prophet or another
20:50messenger, excuse me, after Muhammad.
20:53When a core belief within traditional
20:56Islam is that Muhammad is the seal of
20:58the prophets and he's the last
20:59messenger.
21:00>> So no messenger comes after Muhammad.
21:02He's the he's the final one. He's the
21:04culmination of everyone,
21:05>> right? No more need.
21:06>> No more need. But the Amades that that
21:09guy Ahmedi he believes in uh or he was a
21:11messenger after Muhammad.
21:13>> Okay. [snorts] So that's why
21:15>> Islam Muslims are like okay no you y'all
21:18are way off because Muhammad was the
21:19last prophet. Okay. All right. Last
21:21group quickly and then we're going to
21:23get nominal Muslims, right? So these are
21:25people that you know they're culturally
21:28Muslim
21:29>> but they but they're not u not really
21:31devout. Yeah. Um, so that's interesting
21:34because that's probably similar to the
21:36majority of I mean I'm not trying to
21:38judge, but the majority of people in the
21:40United States who call themselves
21:41Christians.
21:41>> Yep.
21:42>> They're Christian by name, but not by
21:45practice, not by de devotion.
21:48>> They may not even go to church, but
21:49they're just Christian by name. And I'm
21:51sure there's a huge sect of people that
21:52you might meet who they probably don't
21:54even know their own Quran. They probably
21:56know their own beliefs.
21:57Christians know about Habach or Isaiah,
22:00you know, or book of Revel. Like, most
22:02Christians don't know these things.
22:04>> So, I guess there's that there's that
22:05group as well.
22:06>> Yep. They're Muslim by name. They're
22:08Muslim cuz my mom and dad raised me as
22:10Muslim. Yeah.
22:11>> Just like Christians are Christian cuz
22:13my grandmama cuz my my mama and my
22:15daddy, you know. Now, those are those
22:16type of Muslims. Now, they're still
22:19considered Muslims according to
22:21traditional Muslims. as long as you
22:23profess Islam, you know, you're you're
22:26pretty much good.
22:30>> So, let's dig into some beliefs now. All
22:31right. We we've already we've already
22:33dug into what they believe about God.
22:36And to be clear, um they believe that
22:38God is one, without partner, uh without
22:42offspring, uh with uh being
22:45transcendent. God is more distant,
22:48transcendent, not not more of a personal
22:50God, am I assuming? Mhm.
22:52>> He's merciful and just, but he's not a
22:55father.
22:56>> Uh and uh most Muslims consider the
22:58language of fatherhood beneath God's
23:00majesty. It's like God father. Now you
23:03bringing him down to earth. You bringing
23:04him down to God is so far above anything
23:07we could possibly be. Humans are
23:10fathers. So to say that God is a father,
23:13you're that's like very, you know, uh
23:17very offensive to them. Um God reveals
23:19his will but not himself. There's no
23:22incarnation.
23:23>> There is no that's a fancy word for God
23:26does not come down to earth and become a
23:29man
23:30>> as we believe in the in the uh Christian
23:32tradition. And he does not indwell us.
23:35>> Correct.
23:35>> None of those things to a a a Muslim as
23:39you're talking to them. None of those
23:40things are part of God.
23:44Now take it away. What do they believe
23:46about Jesus? Because this might be
23:48surprising to some Christians is they
23:50might be believe more about Jesus than a
23:52lot of Christians.
23:53>> Yeah. No, no. This is actually a common
23:56saying Christian or Muslims will say,
23:57"We're more Christian than than the
23:59Christians." We believe in Jesus more
24:01than you do. Right. So they they'll say
24:03like, "We affirm Jesus. He's a prophet.
24:05He's one of the mightiest messengers of
24:08Allah. He performed miracles. He raised
24:10the dead. He healed the sick. He's the
24:13Messiah. The Jews rejected him. His own
24:16people rejected him. Um, he was born of
24:18a virgin, Mary.
24:20>> Right.
24:20>> They'll say he's a word from Allah and a
24:23spirit from him.
24:24>> Sound sound pretty good, don't it?
24:26>> Yeah.
24:26>> Sound good?
24:27>> Sinless.
24:28>> He was sinless. They don't believe he
24:29sinned. You know, depends on who you ask
24:31cuz, you know, but for the most part,
24:33they don't believe that Jesus sinned or
24:35made any mistakes. Um, and you know, so
24:39so far so good. It sounds like
24:41>> they also believe he's still alive.
24:42>> They still, they believe he's alive.
24:43They believe that he uh ascended,
24:45>> right? He's returning.
24:46>> Yeah. Then they believe he's coming back
24:48to to to to destroy the Antichrist.
24:51>> That's
24:51>> Mhm.
24:52>> That's pretty solid.
24:53>> Yeah. Sounds sounds good. Well, you
24:55know, with all that little Yeah. Just a
24:58little, you know, see, we have great
25:00really good things in common, but Jesus,
25:03he's not he's not God. He's nothing but
25:06a mere messenger. And when you when you
25:10when you exalt him in that way, you do a
25:13disservice to Jesus because Jesus came
25:15saying that to to believe in his Lord
25:18and your Lord that he's a messenger.
25:20He's not God. He's the messenger of God.
25:23And so to exalt him in that way would to
25:26go directly against his entire mission
25:29which was to point everyone to Allah to
25:31God to the worship and service of the
25:33one true God. And so he's going to come
25:36back like Jesus, Allah's going to ask
25:38him, did you tell these people to take
25:41you and your mother as gods besides me?
25:43He's going to say, "Of course not. He
25:45didn't." So Allah is going to vindicate
25:47Jesus at the end where Jesus is going to
25:49be able to speak for himself and say, "I
25:51never told them to worship me. I never
25:52told them to take me as God. This is
25:55their own doing."
25:56>> You know, and so this is a disrespect
25:59and a disservice to Jesus.
26:01>> So he's a mere messenger. He's not God,
26:05nor is he the son of God. He's, yes,
26:08he's born of a virgin, but that's just a
26:10miraculous
26:12uh, you know, supernatural act by Allah
26:15as a sign that that Jesus is his
26:18messenger and he chose Mary to to to do
26:21this. That's all.
26:23>> He's [clears throat] not the son of God.
26:24Jesus does not have a father in any way.
26:26>> And all of this is is in the Quran. All
26:29of this all of this what I'm saying well
26:32most of it
26:34>> fighting the antichrist that's not in
26:36the Quran
26:36>> okay
26:36>> him coming back to judge that's not in
26:38the Quran that's in what is called the
26:40hadith which is a a subset of what you I
26:44guess you can consider scripture for
26:46them
26:47>> um where it's usually the sayings and
26:49the practices of Muhammad
26:51>> so how what how Muham I mean to the tea
26:53how Muhammad used the bathroom how he
26:55ate which hand he ate with which foot he
26:58walked into the door with they try to
27:00mimic these things how he had his beard
27:02cut um you know all all that kind of
27:05stuff so the practices and sayings of
27:07Muhammad is in what is called the hadith
27:10which they take to you know that's where
27:13they also get other revelation like
27:14Jesus coming back um other kind of
27:17special things
27:18>> okay gotcha so Jesus being crucified
27:22>> Jesus being oh he wasn't crucified
27:24that's in the Quran okay
27:25>> he wasn't crucified that why why would
27:27that Why? Why would that bother them
27:30that
27:30>> Yeah, because you you you believe that
27:33Jesus died for your sins, which then
27:36gives you a a free ticket to just sin
27:38and go do what you want. This is of the
27:40shan, the devil. But Jesus didn't die.
27:44God wouldn't allow his special prophet
27:47to be humiliated and go out in that way
27:50who he loves. Of course not. And so so
27:52what he does is this is what the Quran
27:54says that in their boasting in their
27:56boasting they said we killed Jesus the
27:58Messiah but they killed him not nor did
28:02they crucify him but it was made to
28:05appear so. It was made to appear that
28:09they killed him and crucified him.
28:11>> And those who disagree on this matter
28:13follow nothing but conjecture for they
28:16certainly killed him not. M
28:18>> so the the the Quran clearly states that
28:21that Allah saved Jesus from crucifixion.
28:24He raised him up to himself. In chapter
28:273, it talks about how he's going to free
28:29him from those who disbelieve and he's
28:32going to uh uh rise him to himself. So
28:36Jesus was he ascended and was raised to
28:39Allah in salvation. [clears throat]
28:42>> So he w he did not die and he didn't
28:44suffer. All right. So later on guys,
28:46we're going to close that loop. We're
28:47going to come back and we're going to
28:48talk about how we're going to get into
28:50all this stuff. We're just kind of
28:51laying out the beliefs and the
28:52foundations right now. And then we're
28:54going to come back and talk a little bit
28:56later about how do you
28:58>> have conversation and defend the
29:00Christian perspective so that you can
29:02show them, you know, what what the truth
29:04is, what we believe the truth is. And
29:05one of them is obviously crucifixion.
29:08how do you help explain to and give
29:11evidence that Jesus was crucified which
29:14obviously contradicts what's written in
29:16their own
29:18um
29:19>> let's talk about um we've talked about
29:22what they believe about God we've talked
29:24about what they believe about Jesus um
29:27two more a couple more we want to talk
29:29about what they believe about the Holy
29:30Spirit
29:32>> what they believe about salvation and
29:34what books
29:35>> what what what divine revelation
29:41So the Holy Spirit is you get a a mix
29:44but for the most part they interpret the
29:47Holy Spirit to be the angel Gabriel
29:49which is blasphemous of course but they
29:52believe that the Holy Spirit is the
29:54angel Gabriel. Now there's nothing in
29:56the Quran that says that. There's
29:57nothing in the Quran that that hints to
30:00that. However, uh to steal men or to
30:03represent their position correctly,
30:05they'll take a verse that says um it
30:08[clears throat] says that because they
30:09believe that the Quran came down from
30:11Allah through the angel Gabriel that
30:14Gabriel came down and presented the
30:16Quran to Muhammad and was reciting it,
30:18giving him verses of the Quran and he's
30:20just repeating what he's hearing from
30:21the angel. Right? So what they there's a
30:24verse that talks about how the angel
30:26Gabriel brought the Quran down. Brought
30:29it down, right? Um and then there's
30:31another verse that says that the Holy
30:33Spirit brought the Quran down. And so
30:36they put two and two together and say,
30:37"Okay, yeah." Boom. The Holy Spirit is
30:40Gabriel. Gabriel's the one who brought
30:41it down. It says the Holy Spirit brought
30:42it down here.
30:44>> Boom. The Holy Spirit's Gabriel. Right?
30:46One and one. So they believe that the
30:48Holy Spirit is Gabriel. They believe
30:51that Gabriel um is the one who comes and
30:56has helped bring you pretty much all of
30:59the other revelations that they also
31:01believe in. Um it would be interesting
31:03to see what they think about the Torah
31:05specifically though cuz that the Quran
31:07actually alludes or attests that Moses
31:10spoke to Allah directly, not through an
31:12angel. So, it would it would actually be
31:15I haven't asked if they believe that
31:17that Gabriel brought down the Torah.
31:22>> What do they believe about salvation?
31:24How do you get saved? How do you go to
31:27heaven? Um,
31:30as a as a member of Islam, what what's
31:33their what's their system?
31:34>> So, number one, the word salvation
31:38doesn't appear in the Quran.
31:40>> Okay.
31:40>> Ain't that something?
31:41>> Yeah. The entire Quran does not talk
31:43about salvation. It doesn't look at it
31:45that way.
31:46>> Sin is not the big issue. That's it's
31:50not sin is sin. It does the Quran
31:52doesn't focus on sin. Um cuz really
31:55honestly it's it's it's it's
31:56interesting. The Quran presents Allah as
31:59the one who created us to sin. And so us
32:04sinning is what we're supposed to do.
32:06>> And we're we're in this as a test. And
32:08we're in this life as a test. And so
32:11we're supposed to pass the test. And how
32:12we pass the test is by recognizing that
32:14Allah is the one and only God who's only
32:17worthy of worship and acknowledges his
32:19messenger Muhammad. That's that's that's
32:22what it is to walk the straight path,
32:25right? To walk the right path. And so um
32:28you know do good deeds. Um you know you
32:32know do what you can to you know
32:35acknowledge Allah. Um be devoted to the
32:38religion. observe your prayer times
32:41>> five times a day.
32:42>> Five times a day. Even though and the
32:44five times a day that's not in the
32:45Quran, that's in the hadith.
32:47>> So, Oh, okay.
32:48>> You got to go to the hadith to get how
32:50to pray in detail.
32:52>> So, now that's what they
32:53>> Yeah, that's where Muhammad got his
32:54prayers from. So,
32:56>> um you [clears throat] have the fasting
32:59and the uh uh the Hajj where you go to
33:03Mecca,
33:04>> pilgrimage.
33:04>> The pilgrimage. Yes. So you know you do
33:07these things you observe the fasting you
33:09observe the prayers you observe the uh
33:12uh the worships
33:14>> you're [clears throat]
33:15you know you you're collecting good
33:17deeds
33:18>> and then hopefully on the day of
33:20judgment your good deeds will outweigh
33:22your bad.
33:22>> There's a scripture there's a there's a
33:24verse in there in there uh
33:25>> talks about the scales.
33:26>> Yeah the scales hope that if your if
33:29your good deeds are heavy
33:31>> Yeah.
33:31>> then you'll you'll be you know it'll
33:34work out for you. your good deeds are
33:35light and your bad deeds are heavy or
33:38something like that. I haven't quoted
33:39it, but it's like it's basically saying
33:42>> essentially you you you need to go
33:44through life and all you can do is hope
33:48>> that when you get to judgment day that
33:50your good deeds outweigh your bad. And
33:52if so, God will be just and merciful to
33:54you.
33:55>> Yeah.
33:55>> But if not,
33:57>> yeah, you have a Quran verse where
33:58Muhammad himself says, "I do not know
34:01what my Lord is going to do with me nor
34:03with you." Right? So the prophet that
34:06you guys are following that you're
34:08staking your life on and your eternity
34:10on, he doesn't know according to the
34:12Quran. Now there's mentions in the
34:14hadith where it seems like he does get
34:16some type of assurance and becomes more
34:19confident. But if you're talking about
34:21what they believe to be the revelation
34:23of God according to the revelation of
34:25God, the exact verbatim words of Allah,
34:28Muhammad didn't know
34:29>> where what what his destination would
34:31be. which is a which is a reason why
34:33you'll hear them whenever they say
34:35Muhammad, they'll say peace be upon him.
34:38>> They're supplicating for him and that
34:40Allah grants him peace.
34:42>> Okay,
34:42>> because it ain't granted yet,
34:44>> right?
34:45>> And then hopefully as much as they pray
34:46for him that that that is a good deed
34:49accounted to them as well.
34:51>> So when they pray for the prophet, it
34:53counts for them as a good deed. Every
34:55time they say peace be upon him,
34:56>> we help him, he helps us.
34:58>> Exactly. Exactly.
34:59>> By [laughter] helping him is helping me.
35:00>> Yes. Yes.
35:01>> Okay. All right. All right. Now, let's
35:03dig into let's dig into um let's dig
35:06into divine divine writings. All right.
35:08So, um this one's going to be is going
35:10to get really good.
35:15>> What does Islam believe
35:18about scripture before the Quran?
35:22>> Right. Because we have the Quran.
35:24>> Yeah. But they also believe that there
35:26were scriptures that were handed down
35:29before the Quran that they heavily
35:32respect. Yes. Uh the I'm probably going
35:34to get these wrong. The Tat
35:37that's solid. Yeah. The Torat. Yeah.
35:40>> Zabor.
35:40>> The Torat is the Torah.
35:42>> Okay.
35:42>> Zabore is the Psalms
35:44>> and the Injil
35:45>> and is the gospel.
35:46>> Okay. So, break those down for us for
35:48those who don't know. [laughter] Okay.
35:50Cuz I see that's why I got my brother
35:51here cuz I don't get, you know, I'm I'm
35:53not the expert. Yeah, it comes to these
35:55things. You know what I'm saying? So,
35:57what what are these three things that
35:59they believe were passed down um that
36:03even preede the writing of the Quran?
36:06>> Yeah. So, here you have uh
36:09>> and what is their view on it? Do they
36:10respect it? Do they they take it as
36:12truth? Um
36:13>> yes and no.
36:14>> Okay.
36:14>> Yes.
36:15>> Oh, yeah. That we're going to get into
36:16that because it's corrupted. They think
36:17it's been changed. Okay. We'll get into
36:18that. Okay.
36:19>> Yeah. Okay.
36:20>> So, here you have uh here's a verse in
36:22the Quran. It's chapter 29:46,
36:25which I really love to use, but it says
36:27this. It says, "Do not argue with the
36:29people of the book." And people of the
36:31book are the Jews and Christians. It's a
36:33title for us.
36:34>> Um because people of the book are we
36:37received the scriptures from Allah,
36:38right? The Torah, the Gospel, the Zabor,
36:40the Psalms.
36:41>> Though that's Yep. That's the those are
36:44our that's our scripture. So, we're the
36:46people of the book.
36:47>> Oh,
36:47>> okay. That's what we're known as in the
36:48Quran. He says, "Do not argue." So, he's
36:50talking to the Muslims. Do not argue
36:52with the people of the book [snorts]
36:54except in a way that is good. Um except
36:58for those who uh with those who inflict
37:01wrong. But say to them, this is how
37:04you're supposed to discuss with them.
37:05Say, "We believe in what has been
37:09revealed to us and what has been
37:11revealed to you. Your God and our God is
37:14one and we are Muslims." So that's what
37:17they're supposed to say to us. They're
37:18supposed to believe in our scriptures.
37:21They're supposed to believe in the same
37:22God that we have because we're all
37:24supposed to have the same God. And that
37:26same God revealed all these scriptures
37:28that we hold to. Okay? And so now we
37:31just are just missing out on the Quran.
37:33That's all. We just got one more step to
37:35take. Okay?
37:36>> You know, so they've taken all the
37:37steps. They believe in our books and
37:39theirs.
37:40>> We we just stopped at ours. We got also
37:42believe in theirs according to the
37:44Quran.
37:44>> Okay? So they believe that the Torah was
37:48given to Moses by Allah.
37:50>> Okay. Says first five books.
37:51>> Mhm.
37:51>> Okay.
37:52>> Well, they they don't they don't know.
37:54We'll get into that, but we but we know
37:56what the Torah is.
37:57>> They don't.
37:58>> Um
37:59>> so the Torah, the Zabore, the Psalms was
38:03given to David. The Quran says that. It
38:05even says that Allah wrote for David in
38:07the Zabor in the Psalms and even quotes
38:09the psalm that we have today. Um quotes
38:12Psalm 37. Very interesting. So, the
38:15Psalms of David, the Injil, the gospel.
38:19Now, it's funny. The Injil is not an
38:21Arabic word. It derives from the Greek
38:22Evangelion.
38:24>> That's where it derives from. And so,
38:26the angil is the gospel that was given
38:29to Jesus.
38:30>> And what is that to them?
38:32>> That's the revelation of Jesus. So Jesus
38:34came preaching the gospel. Okay? You
38:36believe that? That's the revelation, the
38:38book that Jesus came with.
38:39>> Okay?
38:39>> And Muhammad received the Quran.
38:42>> Okay? So that's uh now here's the thing.
38:45When it comes to the Torah,
38:47>> like I told you, they don't know what
38:48the Torah is. Sometimes throughout the
38:51Quran, it it confuses the Talmud with
38:53the Torah. Like it'll quote the Midrash
38:56or the Talmud uh as if it was Torah.
39:00>> And so it it mixes that. It doesn't
39:02Muhammad didn't know what he was talking
39:03about.
39:04>> And so he just would go he would hear
39:06things and then put it in, you know,
39:07that's that's what he would do. And so
39:10so you have the the Torah and even in
39:12some hadith like it it believe it it
39:15equates the Torah to the culmination of
39:17all the books. So the Torah, the Psalms
39:20and like the the Old Testament, the
39:22Gospel, all of that is Torah,
39:25[clears throat]
39:25>> right? So uh the book of Isaiah can be
39:27considered Torah. But this is the
39:29question I'm saying like if we if if the
39:32inal means the gospel that was given to
39:34Jesus Christ
39:36>> and we understand that to be that he is
39:39saying that I am the way the truth and
39:41the life and you know no one come the
39:43father except through me
39:45>> and we believe that and they're saying
39:47that they acknowledge that Jesus was
39:49given the gospel from God
39:51>> right [laughter]
39:53then that contradicts what's in their
39:56book.
39:56>> Ding ding ding. Yeah, [laughter] I wish
39:59we we're going to get into that.
40:00>> Allan has just walked into what we call
40:03the Islamic dilemma. [laughter]
40:06>> All it takes is some common sense, huh?
40:08You're not studied in Islam like that.
40:10You just looked this up a little bit.
40:11You heard it. You're around. And so your
40:14common sense thinking is like, well,
40:15okay, you affirm the gospel, but the
40:17gospel says this, the Quran contradicts
40:18that. So, how do you work that out?
40:20That's the dilemma.
40:21>> Okay, we're going to dig specifically
40:23into the Islamic dilemma in just a bit.
40:25Y'all hold on because uh I'm going to
40:27ask for some insight from my brother.
40:28But let's keep going on because we're
40:30talking about the scriptures. We're
40:31talking about we're talking about divine
40:33writings.
40:34>> What is their perspective though when it
40:37comes to um the scriptures that came
40:41before the Quran? Because my
40:43understanding
40:44>> there's a couple of them. It's either
40:46the text was changed or uh the text that
40:49we have today is intact. So it means
40:53it's never been changed, but the meaning
40:55is different or whatever. So kind of
40:57explain kind of their their how do they
41:01see or interpret the scriptures that
41:04came before the Quran.
41:05>> Yep. Mixed mixed views. Okay. Mixed
41:07views. And you these mixed views go far
41:10into early Islam, like really really
41:12early Islam. Their biggest scholars,
41:14their biggest um you know uh
41:17interpreters of the Quran had they were
41:19split on this issue. So you had some
41:22that believed that the scriptures were
41:23totally corrupted textually.
41:26Um you had uh people who believed like
41:29well they were kind of in the middle
41:30where they didn't believe that they were
41:32text uh corrupted textually like uh
41:34completely but they were mostly
41:36preserved with slight textual
41:38corruption. Then you had the group that
41:40believes that the scriptures are
41:42preserved that they're not corrupted
41:44textually. However, people just misuse
41:48them and misunderstand them and
41:49misinterpret them. So, and lie about
41:51what the text says. Okay? So, you have a
41:54you have different groups. Now, if
41:56you're talking about now modern day
41:58Muslims, the the the majority rule, the
42:02majority view is that the scriptures are
42:04have been textually corrupted. Like what
42:06we have today is not what the Quran was
42:09talking about. It like it doesn't match.
42:11But there may be some remnants of the
42:14original scriptures in what we have
42:17today. And so you'll get mixed views on
42:19that. And so basically it's a whatever
42:21agrees with the Quran, that's the good
42:23part. Whatever disagrees with the Quran
42:25and proves the Quran false, that part's
42:27corrupted.
42:28>> That's how they do that. That's the
42:29view. That's how they use it. Um you
42:32even have infighting with Muslims today,
42:33like the Muslim apologists on YouTube
42:35and the internet, some of their shakes.
42:37Um because you have some Muslims because
42:39of this issue of the Islamic dilemma
42:42that the Quran affirms our scriptures
42:43yet disagrees with them. Um they have to
42:47deal with this logically, right? And so
42:49they're like, "Okay, it doesn't make
42:51sense for us to just say it's corrupted.
42:54We have to acknowledge like, okay, yeah,
42:56the scriptures are there." Um, however,
43:00some can be interpolation, some can be
43:03so the Torah that we have, the Bible we
43:05have is what the Quran is talking about.
43:07And you have Muslims that are furious
43:09with those type of people that say that.
43:11>> They hate that view because that debunks
43:14all of Islam. It's trouble,
43:15>> right?
43:16>> And it makes Islam look like it needs
43:18the Bible.
43:19>> So, they hate that they are giving up to
43:21that position. You have the other
43:23Muslims that completely I don't care
43:26what they have today. The Bible is not
43:28the Torah, the Gospel, and the Psalms
43:30that the Quran is talking about.
43:33>> Which leads to our question then. What
43:34is the Injil?
43:36>> Okay.
43:36>> What is the Torah?
43:37>> Right?
43:37>> What is it? You tell me then since I
43:39don't have it. You tell me. You must
43:40know what it is,
43:41>> right?
43:42>> Okay. All right. So, that's that is some
43:44really solid background. We could go
43:46into a lot more background, a lot more
43:47detail, but let's dig into
43:51>> some answers. Yep.
43:55>> All right. So, I'm a I'm a I'm a Muslim.
43:59I come to you and I make the claim
44:01because we got lots of claims here, but
44:03I make the claim that the Bible has been
44:05corrupted.
44:06>> Right. [clears throat] Y uh the Bible
44:08that you read today, it's been
44:09corrupted. Yeah.
44:10>> So, how do you
44:12>> give a defense? How do you answer that?
44:16How do you practically on your live
44:19streams or in conversation? How do you
44:21practically step by step help a Muslim
44:24understand this concept of one of their
44:27biggest claims, the Bible has been
44:29corrupted? Yeah. And why and and remind
44:31us again why they why that's important
44:35for them to say that and believe that.
44:36>> Okay. So they have to believe that the
44:38Bible's corrupted because the Quran
44:41affirms the Bible. Uh yet the the Bible
44:45contradicts the Quran. So to solve this
44:48conundrum to there has to be some
44:50explanation. The Quran can't be wrong.
44:52It just can't be. That means that
44:54>> start with that Quran is right.
44:55>> Quran is right. That's the
44:57presupposition. The Quran is right.
44:58>> But in the Quran it also affirms the
45:00Bible.
45:01>> The Bible is right.
45:02>> So if the Bible is right, then you know
45:07it can't be your Bible. Like something
45:09had to happen to where now there's
45:11disagreement with the Quran and the
45:12Bible. And it can't be the Quran making
45:15mistakes. So it must be some corruption
45:17that took place. That has to be the
45:19answer. So the Quran is still right. The
45:21Quran is still good. You guys have the
45:23problem. There's all these mixtures and
45:26these Bibles and tetrovariances and all
45:29this kind of stuff. You guys have the
45:30problem. The Quran is perfectly fine. So
45:33what the Quran was talking about
45:35originally was good. You guys messed it
45:37up. Something has gotten corrupted
45:40years. Bible that you see today isn't
45:43the same Bible that our Quran affirmed
45:45correct
45:46>> when it was written about.
45:47>> That's right. So, I like to ask this
45:50question. Okay, this is one angle you
45:52can go with. Really fun one.
45:55When would you say
45:57that the Bible got corrupted? Was it
46:00before Muhammad's time or was it after
46:02Muhammad's time? What would you say?
46:04Ballpark.
46:05>> All right. So, I'm going to play I'm
46:07going to play play devil's advocate.
46:08I'll play. Okay. So you're asking me
46:11when would I would probably say that it
46:14was corrupted
46:17after Muhammad's time.
46:18>> Okay, good. So then that means we're all
46:21good to go because my Bible predates
46:22Muhammad. We have our Bible comes from
46:25the manuscripts and scrolls from the
46:27Dead Sea that are almost 200 years
46:29before Jesus. Our Greek manuscripts come
46:32before the seventh century come before
46:34Muhammad. Second, third, fourth, fifth
46:35uh century. So what what I have is what
46:39Muhammad was affirming in the in the
46:40Quran in his time. So I'm good to go. So
46:44if whatever happened after that got
46:46corrupted, cool. Fine. I have what is
46:49before. So the Bible that I have is
46:52preserved according to your position.
46:54>> All right. So wait wait wait. Break that
46:55break that down again. So yeah, so if if
46:57a Muslim says, "I believe that the Bible
47:00was corrupted after
47:03>> after Muhammad's time,
47:04>> after Muhammad's time,
47:06>> then what you're saying is then if
47:08that's the case, then that's even worse
47:11for them." Because that means that their
47:14Quran
47:15affirmed
47:17what we have today.
47:19>> What we have today
47:19>> because what we have today is before
47:22Muhammad's time. Our manuscripts come
47:25before Muhammad's time, right? So look,
47:27think of it. Muhammad came 600 years
47:30after Jesus, right? So seventh century,
47:32right?
47:33>> Our manuscripts of the New Testament
47:35alone. Our New Testament manuscripts are
47:38second, 3rd, 4th, fifth century, right?
47:41[clears throat]
47:41>> So they come before Muhammad was even
47:43born,
47:44>> right?
47:45>> So if the Bible got corrupted after
47:47Muhammad's time, so everything before
47:49Muhammad's time was good to go. the
47:52corruption took place after. Well, then
47:55my Bible meets the criteria of the
47:57preservation because my Bible
47:59manuscripts come before Muhammad's time,
48:02which is what you're saying the Quran is
48:04affirming. So, if you're saying the
48:07Bible was corrupted after, then you're
48:09not talking about mine. Mine is good to
48:11go. My stuff comes before Muhammad.
48:14>> Understand?
48:15>> Yeah.
48:15>> So, that's a conundrum, which is why
48:18most of them would say before.
48:20>> Okay. You you'll get these fringe ones
48:22that say, "Oh, yeah, after."
48:24>> But most of them say it got corrupted
48:25before Muhammad's time. By the time
48:27Muhammad hopped on the scene, the
48:29scriptures were already corrupted, which
48:30is why Muhammad had to come in the first
48:32place and fix everything. That's what
48:34the Quran does. It comes and it fixes
48:35and clarifies where they made mistakes
48:38and where they corrupted the message.
48:40>> Okay? So the Quran
48:42is affirming when it says it confirms
48:44the scriptures, it's confirming the
48:46original Torah and Gospel and Psalms
48:49that was originally revealed to Moses
48:51and Jesus and David before people
48:54corrupted it over time before Muhammad
48:57was born.
48:58>> Right? So they're saying, let me see if
49:00I can break this down. So Muhammad was
49:02born 7th century
49:05>> and a lot of the Muslims believe that ma
49:09uh that that that the Bible was
49:12corrupted before uh the Quran.
49:16>> So that means that essentially they
49:20would say that the original Christian
49:24writings Yeah. Moses Okay. Yeah. We'll
49:27give you when Moses wrote it down, the
49:29tablets and everything. That's legit.
49:31>> Um, but somehow
49:34between that time and when Muhammad
49:37came,
49:39>> something got corrupted along the way.
49:41>> Yeah.
49:42>> And so therefore, Muhammad had to come
49:44in and correct that and give true
49:49>> give the true message, right?
49:51>> And clarify where they corrupted things.
49:54>> But here's [snorts] my question, though.
49:57He in the Quran they affirm what though?
50:01They affirm
50:03>> That's the question.
50:04>> They they affirm a corrupted
50:06>> That's the question. So So here So watch
50:09this.
50:09>> Yeah. They confirm a corrupted Bible.
50:11>> It can't. Well, here's the problem. If
50:14they say that it's corrupted before
50:16Muhammad's time, well then the Quran
50:20says this in chapter 2 41. It says,
50:23"Believe in what I have sent down."
50:25Talking about the Quran. Believe in the
50:26Quran, right? Believe in what? Talking
50:28to the Jews and to people of the book.
50:30Believe in what I have sent down.
50:33Confirming that which is already with
50:35you.
50:37So
50:39if the So the Quran is confirming in
50:42Muhammad's time what is with the Jews
50:44and Christians, the scriptures they have
50:47possession of. But you're saying that
50:49the scriptures they have possession of
50:50are corrupted. So then that would mean
50:53that the Quran is saying corrupted books
50:55are true. It's confirming corrupted
50:57scripture.
50:58>> Oh, okay. I see what you're saying.
51:00Yeah.
51:01>> So then now this is a conundrum.
51:03>> Yeah.
51:08>> If the Quran is saying that fabricated
51:11scripture is true, it's confirming
51:13fabricated scripture, then the Quran is
51:15false,
51:16>> right?
51:17>> Because fabricated scripture ain't true,
51:20>> right?
51:20>> It's false.
51:21>> Right? But the Quran is saying that
51:22false scripture is true. So the Quran is
51:24false,
51:24>> right? Yeah. By confirming something
51:26that is false or that you say is false.
51:30>> That then makes your book false cuz now
51:32you're putting your stamp of approval on
51:34another false document.
51:36>> Yeah. Exactly. Exactly.
51:38>> So, so now you have this horn of the
51:41dilemma. If the scriptures are corrupted
51:44before Muhammad's time, then the Quran
51:46is confirming corrupted scriptures and
51:48therefore the Quran is false. If the
51:50Quran, if the scriptures were corrupted
51:53after Muhammad's time, then the Quran is
51:56is confirming the Bible we have and the
51:58Quran is false for contradicting the
52:00Bible.
52:03>> Either way you go, Islam is false.
52:05>> Yeah,
52:06>> that's one angle. So, so then, okay,
52:08let's take it there. So,
52:09>> when you present this
52:12>> in conversations live with people,
52:15>> y
52:15>> how do they respond?
52:17I mean that's that's a tough one to
52:19wiggle your way out of.
52:20>> Yeah, it's impossible.
52:20>> Very Yeah,
52:21>> it's impossible. So what they'll try to
52:23say is is that they'll say, "Well, the
52:25Quran is not confirming all of the
52:28scripture. It's confirming it
52:30partially." So it's not saying that all
52:33of their scripture is true, but just
52:35some of the parts.
52:36>> But it doesn't say that.
52:36>> It doesn't say that. It says it's
52:38confirming what they have. Everything
52:40that I have, the Quran is saying is
52:42true. Right? But here's the thing
52:44though. This is why This is why I like
52:47the Quran. The Quran done did all the
52:49work for us, Allan. [laughter]
52:51We don't got a lift of every objection
52:53that a Muslim can raise. The Quran
52:56thought of and answered it. So when a
52:58Muslim tries to come and say, "Yeah, uh,
53:01it only confirms part of the scripture.
53:04It's not saying all of it is true,
53:06right? So you can believe in part of it
53:07and reject the corrupted parts." Well,
53:09this is what the Quran has to say about
53:11that in chapter 2 verse 85. Talking
53:14talking to the Jews, it says, "Yet it is
53:16you who slay each other and drive out a
53:19party of your people from their from
53:21their homes, supporting one another
53:22against them by sin and transgression.
53:25And if they come to you as captives, you
53:26would ransom them. Whereas their
53:28expulsion was itself unlawful for you."
53:31So just to break this down, Jews were
53:34basically siding with enemies and ex and
53:37exposion u um getting uh basically going
53:39against their own fellow Jews which is
53:42against what Allah revealed in the Torah
53:45basically. Right? So it then goes on to
53:48say, "Do you believe in part of the
53:52scripture and reject the rest?
53:55Those who do that among you will be
53:58disgraced in this life and in the in the
54:02hereafter in the next life there awaits
54:04for them the most severe punishment. Oh,
54:07so let me let me back up. So their own
54:10scripture says it's not right to believe
54:12in some parts and reject others.
54:14>> Correct. So if their scripture says we
54:17need to accept and confirm that which is
54:19already with us, but then now in 2026,
54:22you're coming and telling me, well, only
54:24certain parts, that goes against what
54:26your Bible says.
54:27>> That goes against what your Quran says.
54:29>> The Quran tells me to believe in all of
54:32the scripture, not take part of it.
54:35You're telling me to take part of it.
54:37>> Who should I go with, Allah or you?
54:40>> I think I'm team Allah on this one,
54:42>> right?
54:42>> I'm going to be team Muhammad,
54:43>> right? you know, I'm not gonna listen to
54:45the 2026 Muslim, you know, because I
54:48want to I I don't want a severe
54:49punishment,
54:50>> right? I don't. So, for me to be a good
54:52Christian, matter of fact, this is what
54:54the Quran tells me to do. In chapter
54:565:68, it says this. Say to the people of
54:59the book, say, people of the book, Jews
55:02and Christians, you have nothing to
55:04stand on unless you observe the Torah
55:08and the Gospel and all that's been
55:10revealed to you from your Lord. all of
55:13it. So, hold on a second. The Quran
55:17tells me that I have no foundation. I
55:22have nothing to stand on unless I
55:25observe the Torah and the Gospel and
55:27what's been revealed to me from my Lord.
55:30How can I observe something that is
55:32corrupted?
55:34>> How can I let's say, well, no, it's not
55:36corrupted. Let's say it's lost. How can
55:38I observe something that's lost?
55:41It's it's it's saying I have access to
55:43it, that I have possession of it, and
55:46that I need to stand on it, or else I'm
55:48in trouble.
55:49>> So, the Quran doesn't have this view
55:51that the scriptures are corrupted or
55:55lost. It has the view that these
55:56scriptures are authoritative, are
55:58preserved, are revelations of God, and
56:01if you don't follow them, you will be in
56:03trouble.
56:04>> You're a wrongdoer.
56:05>> Yeah.
56:06>> Matter of fact, here's another one.
56:07Chapter 5, verse 47. And these are
56:10verses. You guys can remind this. Take
56:11this back. Yeah, we'll mark these down.
56:13Good. Put them on screen. Yeah.
56:14>> Chapter 5:47. This is one every
56:17Christian should know. It says, "Let the
56:19people of the gospel judge by what Allah
56:23has revealed therein." In the gospel, it
56:27says, "Whoever does not judge by what
56:29Allah has revealed, then they are the
56:31wrongdoers."
56:32>> Okay. Wait, break that down in simple
56:34language. Explain that again. So, what
56:35what what is that really saying? It's
56:37saying to use the gospel as your judge,
56:40as your authority.
56:41>> Which gospel?
56:42>> The gospel that was given to Jesus.
56:44>> Okay.
56:44>> So, the gospel of Jesus. Yeah. The NGO.
56:48The Quran doesn't doesn't think that
56:49there's multiple gospels. It's one
56:52gospel. The gospel of Jesus, right?
56:54>> The same thing that Mark 1:1 says, this
56:56is the gospel of Jesus Christ, the son
56:58of God. Okay?
56:59>> Right? One gospel, Jesus Christ.
57:01>> Believe in the gospel. It says people of
57:04the gospel, let the people of the
57:05gospel, meaning those Christians who
57:07follow the gospel, let the people of the
57:10gospel judge by what Allah has revealed
57:12in it. So one, the gospel is a
57:15revelation of a law and we are to use it
57:18as our criteria, our judge.
57:21>> If I'm a good Christian, then I'm going
57:23to judge by the gospel. Everything that
57:25I see, I'm going to compare to the
57:27gospel. My gospel is the litmus test.
57:30>> So what goes with the gospel? Good to
57:32go. What goes against the gospel is
57:35false.
57:35>> So, right in their book, they're telling
57:38they're saying that the gospel is
57:40basically the litmus test.
57:42>> Yes. For for Christians.
57:44>> For Christians specifically,
57:45>> right? So, to to be fair, like it it it
57:48does this for all the books. So, um in a
57:51few verses before it says to the Jews,
57:55>> why do Okay, so it's actually it's
57:57talking to Muhammad in context. The Jews
58:00tried to come to Muhammad for a
58:02judgment, like somebody committed
58:03adultery. And so therefore, they're
58:05like, "We don't want to do what the
58:06Torah tells us to do. Let's go to
58:08Muhammad and get a different ruling."
58:10Right? But the Quran responds and says
58:12this, "Why do they come to you,
58:14Muhammad, for judgment when they have
58:17the Torah
58:18>> in which Allah's judgment is in,
58:20>> right?
58:20>> But even still, they turn away." So the
58:23Quran is saying that the Jews are to use
58:24the Torah for judgment. Mhm.
58:26>> The Christians are supposed to use the
58:28gospel for judgment.
58:29>> Okay.
58:29>> And then the next verse in verse 48, the
58:32Muslims are supposed to use the Quran
58:33for judgment. Right?
58:35>> But not to judge the previous
58:36scriptures, but to judge and rule
58:37themselves.
58:38>> Right?
58:38>> Okay. So notice the Quran here is
58:42affirming the authority of all these
58:44books.
58:46>> The Torah is authoritative. The the
58:48Gospel is authoritative. The Quran is
58:50authoritative. And it says in verse 48,
58:52it says, "To each of you we give we have
58:55given you your own law and to compete in
58:58doing good." Right? So each one has been
59:02given a revelation and a law to govern
59:04themselves, to judge themselves, right?
59:07Um but all the revelations you're
59:09supposed to believe in all of them, but
59:11specifically the ones that's given to a
59:12particular community, that's what you
59:14use to govern with.
59:16>> Make sense? Okay. Yep. Yeah, it makes
59:18perfect sense. So speaking of the
59:19gospel, um we as Christians, we see the
59:23gospel as four books.
59:25>> In their minds, the gospel is just one
59:28book or message, correct me if I'm
59:30wrong, that God Allah gave Jesus. Yeah.
59:33>> It's not like Matthew, Mark, Luke, and
59:35John.
59:36Uh it's just it's a message.
59:39>> Yeah. Yeah. So it's interesting. So they
59:41see it as a book, but um like so like
59:44Yeah. This is what confuses confuses the
59:46Muslims. They have this idea that we
59:49believe in four different gospels, but
59:51we don't. We believe in one gospel that
59:53has four accounts,
59:54>> right?
59:55>> It's four accounts of the same gospel,
59:57right?
59:57>> It's the gospel of Jesus just accounted
59:59by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
1:00:00>> It's like if I saw an accident on the
1:00:02road, you know, I saw it as, you know, a
1:00:06bystander. Somebody else could have seen
1:00:08it as, you know,
1:00:09>> the driver
1:00:10>> the driver the passenger or
1:00:13>> the person who who actually ran into
1:00:16them. Exactly.
1:00:16>> Different
1:00:17>> perspectives, but it's still one event.
1:00:19Exactly. Accident.
1:00:21>> Exactly. Yeah.
1:00:21>> So it's one gospel. This is why like the
1:00:23early church called it the four-fold
1:00:25gospel, right? Um so it's one gospel,
1:00:28four accounts. So with them, they'll be
1:00:30like, "Oh, so the the Quran is affirming
1:00:33the gospel of Jesus, not the gospel of
1:00:35Matthew, not the gospel of Luke or John
1:00:37or Mark. It's the gospel of Jesus." And
1:00:40that's a fundamental misunderstanding of
1:00:43what the gospel is according to
1:00:45Christians even according to the
1:00:46scripture like Mark like I mentioned
1:00:48this earlier Mark 1:1 starts off by this
1:00:50saying this
1:00:51>> this is the gospel of Jesus he doesn't
1:00:53say this gospel of Mark
1:00:54>> right
1:00:55>> this is the gospel of Jesus the son of
1:00:57God the beginning of the gospel of Jesus
1:00:59Christ the son of God that's what he
1:01:00says so they all attest that this is the
1:01:03gospel of Jesus so um you fix that in
1:01:07but they'll still say that okay but what
1:01:09you have is not the gospel. It's not the
1:01:12NGO. So then the next question would be
1:01:15then what is it?
1:01:16>> If it's not Matthew, Mark, Luke, and
1:01:18John, what is it? What's the gospel?
1:01:20>> Yeah,
1:01:20>> tell me since you if you know what it's
1:01:23not, you can tell me what it is,
1:01:25>> right?
1:01:25>> So what is it? And they struggle
1:01:29>> to explain the gospel actually
1:01:31>> because they'll just repeat. They'll
1:01:32repeat like a bot. It's the revelation
1:01:34given to Jesus. Okay, I got that. But
1:01:36what was that? The revelation. Thank
1:01:37you. What was the revelation given to
1:01:38Jesus? What did he go around preaching?
1:01:41What was it?
1:01:42>> What did they say?
1:01:42>> And they it was it was the message of
1:01:44God. Okay. So, let me exactly. So, then
1:01:48so to get out of that circle, throw them
1:01:50a bone. You begin to lead them with
1:01:52questions. So, for example, you ask
1:01:54them, okay, was it a physical book? Was
1:01:56Jesus walking around with like a
1:01:57physical book called the Gospel or was
1:02:00it just an oral revelation? All right.
1:02:03So, depending on their answer, they'll
1:02:04most likely say it's just an oral. Jesus
1:02:06didn't write anything down. He didn't
1:02:07have a book, but it was an oral
1:02:09revelation or he was preaching an oral
1:02:11message. Okay, cool. It was an oral
1:02:13message. Okay, I could get with you on
1:02:14that. Jesus was he didn't write anything
1:02:16down. We believe the same thing. That's
1:02:17interesting. Do you believe that it got
1:02:19written down eventually? Some of them
1:02:21might say, "No, it might it didn't get
1:02:23written down." You'll be surprised
1:02:24they'll say that. But the Quran says in
1:02:27chapter 7, verse 157, there's another
1:02:30important verse for Christians to know.
1:02:32It says those who follow the messenger
1:02:37who can neither read or write [snorts]
1:02:39whom they find written in the Torah and
1:02:43the Gospel with them. So this verse is
1:02:47saying that the Jews and Christians in
1:02:49Muhammad's time have written documents
1:02:52of the Torah and the Gospel and they can
1:02:54find the Muhammad's mention in them.
1:02:58You'll find Muhammad written in there.
1:03:00Maybe not by name, but maybe by
1:03:01description, right? He's prophesied in
1:03:03there somewhere, right? So again, that's
1:03:05Torah and gospel.
1:03:06>> Torah and Gospel.
1:03:07>> So that means the gospel had to been
1:03:08written down.
1:03:08>> Yes. The gospel was written down. So
1:03:11they'll accept that. Okay. Yeah. The
1:03:12Okay. Yeah. I see the the gospel was
1:03:14written down. Cool. Because it says that
1:03:16in certain translations, it might say
1:03:18you'll find them described in the Torah
1:03:20and Gospel, right? But the word is
1:03:22mocktubin in the Arabic, which literally
1:03:24means written down. Means written. So
1:03:27don't let them play.
1:03:28>> Okay. The word is written. Okay. So the
1:03:31gospel was written down. They Oh,
1:03:32they'll accept it. Okay, cool. So then
1:03:34the next question is who wrote it?
1:03:39Who wrote the gospel? Who wrote the NGO?
1:03:42Uh not Matthew, Mark, Luke, John. Well,
1:03:45okay. Thank you for telling me who
1:03:47didn't write it,
1:03:48>> but who did?
1:03:48>> Who did?
1:03:49>> Right.
1:03:49>> Who wrote it?
1:03:50>> And what did it say?
1:03:51>> Mhm. So they'll say, "Well, no, your
1:03:54gospel is is anonymous. That's why it's
1:03:56not the Injil. It's not the Gospel of
1:03:57Jesus. Because your gospel authors, we
1:03:59don't even know who Matthew, Mark, Luke,
1:04:00and John are. Okay, let me go with that.
1:04:03Who wrote the Injil?
1:04:05The Quran doesn't say, "Oh, so it's
1:04:06anonymous."
1:04:09So, you don't know who wrote it, but you
1:04:10still accept it? Interesting. So, it
1:04:12sounds like what I have meets your
1:04:14criteria of what the angel is so far.
1:04:16It's written down
1:04:18>> and it's anonymous.
1:04:18>> It's anonymous. We don't necessarily
1:04:20know who. But, let me ask you this.
1:04:22Would it make sense that maybe people
1:04:24who knew Jesus wrote it, like his
1:04:26disciples, they'll say, "Yes." Yeah.
1:04:29Okay, cool. We believe the same,
1:04:30>> right?
1:04:31>> We believe the same that Jesus's
1:04:32disciples would have written down the
1:04:35gospel, who were they,
1:04:37>> right? If if you believe that the
1:04:40disciples were the ones who likely wrote
1:04:42it down, then what? Who's to say that?
1:04:45How do you know that Matthew, Mark,
1:04:46Luke, and John didn't write it?
1:04:48>> Right? How do you know they don't?
1:04:51because we don't know them. Well, you
1:04:52just said you don't know the authors of
1:04:54the NGO.
1:04:55>> So, we don't have to know who Matthew,
1:04:56Mark, Luke, and John are to know that
1:04:59they are the ones who wrote it down.
1:05:01>> According to all this, it breaks down
1:05:04what everything that you're saying about
1:05:06the NGO backfires cuz it's matching what
1:05:09you're saying about my gospel.
1:05:10>> And you have nothing else to go to.
1:05:13>> You have nothing else.
1:05:15>> So, it's either you come here and come
1:05:18come on over. just come on over
1:05:20>> or you stay stuck in this mud and this
1:05:23delusion and you look stupid and sound
1:05:25stupid and you know it. You know you
1:05:27don't you you're not making any sense
1:05:29right now.
1:05:34Jesus never claimed to be God. Okay,
1:05:37that's another one of the things that um
1:05:40that that we as Christians need to be
1:05:42prepared for them. Y
1:05:44>> uh because they'll make that claim that,
1:05:46you know, Jesus isn't God and he never
1:05:48claimed to be God. So
1:05:50>> if if we hear that, you know, how do we
1:05:53how do we uh how do we respond and give
1:05:55evidence?
1:05:56>> Well, usually their their their attack
1:05:59is that when they say Jesus never
1:06:00claimed to be God, they're saying Jesus
1:06:02never said the verbatim words, "I am
1:06:04God. Worship me." That's what they mean,
1:06:06>> right? And so Jesus never said, "I am
1:06:09God." So therefore, he never claimed to
1:06:10be God. So then you can turn the tables.
1:06:13You can show them how silly that logic
1:06:15is. You can use the Quran to do it.
1:06:17Jesus, can you ask them, can you show me
1:06:19anywhere where Jesus said in the Quran,
1:06:21I am the Messiah?
1:06:23Cuz he never does.
1:06:25>> Jesus [clears throat] never said, I am
1:06:26the Messiah in the Quran. And you do
1:06:28have Jesus speaking in the Quran. So you
1:06:30can't say, well, the Quran isn't about
1:06:32Jesus's words. It's Allah's words. No,
1:06:34it quotes. The Quran quotes Jesus. It
1:06:36says that he's a messenger. He says, I
1:06:38am a messenger sent by Allah. I'm a
1:06:40prophet. Right. He He speaks. He says,
1:06:42"Your Lord and my Lord, worship him." He
1:06:45speaks. Where does he say, "I am the
1:06:47Messiah?" He doesn't. Okay. You know
1:06:49what? That might be too hard. Can you
1:06:51show me where Jesus says, "I am born of
1:06:52a virgin?"
1:06:54No. Oh, but you believe that, right?
1:06:57>> Right.
1:06:58>> Oh, you believe he's the Messiah. You
1:06:59believe he's born of a virgin. But Jesus
1:07:01never claimed this in your Quran. Okay.
1:07:04Do Can you show me where Jesus said, "I
1:07:06am a word from Allah?"
1:07:08You believe that? The Quran says it, but
1:07:11Jesus never said that about himself.
1:07:13[clears throat]
1:07:13>> So even though Jesus never claimed these
1:07:16things, you still believe them. Why?
1:07:19They'll say because God said so. Allah
1:07:21said it. This is this these are Allah's
1:07:23words. Okay, good. So if the Quran says
1:07:26that Jesus is all these things without
1:07:28him claiming it, then I don't even need
1:07:31for Jesus to say I am God. I can just
1:07:33show you that the Bible teaches that.
1:07:36>> I can show you that. M
1:07:37>> matter of fact to do you better I can
1:07:39show you where the father calls him God.
1:07:42If we go to Hebrews chapter 1 vers8 the
1:07:44the Bible says but of the son he says
1:07:47your throne oh god is forever and ever.
1:07:50The scepter of a rightness is the
1:07:52scepter of your kingdom. Boom. We're
1:07:54good to go. You got Allah saying that
1:07:57Jesus is Messiah born of a virgin word
1:07:59of Allah. And I have the father saying
1:08:01Jesus is God. That's one way you can
1:08:04attack that. M
1:08:05>> another way. So after you show them how
1:08:06silly that logic is, you can ask them,
1:08:10is this the only way to claim to be God?
1:08:13Do I have to say I am God or I am this
1:08:16in order to claim to be something? So
1:08:17for example, I like to use this example.
1:08:18If I were to say, and you can answer
1:08:20this, Alan, if I were to say I have
1:08:22students and I give them lessons, what
1:08:25did I just claim to be?
1:08:26>> A teacher.
1:08:27>> Yes. But I didn't say I am a teacher,
1:08:28did I?
1:08:29>> No. So, I claimed to be something
1:08:31without having to say the explicit
1:08:32verbatim words, I am a teacher. I claim
1:08:35to be a teacher.
1:08:35>> I sign homework. I grade papers. I grade
1:08:38tests. I have students. They come to me
1:08:41after school. I tutor them
1:08:44>> and I work at this school.
1:08:47>> These are very clear claims of being a
1:08:49teacher, right?
1:08:50>> Yeah. But I didn't say Allan Parr is a
1:08:52teacher.
1:08:53>> Exactly. So, this is what you can do.
1:08:55And so you re you you rephrase the
1:08:58question for them is did Jesus claim to
1:09:02be God and if so how how did he claim to
1:09:06be God?
1:09:07>> He doesn't have to say I am God worship
1:09:09me but all he has to do is claim the
1:09:12attributes and descriptions that belong
1:09:14to God alone and then he is claiming to
1:09:16be God. So for example I'll ask the
1:09:18Muslim who's the only one who gives
1:09:21eternal life. They'll say God. I say,
1:09:25"Exactly. I agree." Jesus says in John
1:09:2810:28, he says that I give my sheep, I
1:09:31give them eternal life, and none can
1:09:34snatch them out of my hand. That's what
1:09:36Jesus says. He gives eternal life. I'll
1:09:39ask the Muslim, "Who's the one who's
1:09:41going to come and raise the dead on the
1:09:42day of judgment?" And it's going to come
1:09:44at the hour. They say, "Allah. Allah
1:09:47subhana wa ta'ala. He's the one who does
1:09:48that. God." Exactly. Well, Jesus says in
1:09:51John 5, "The hour is coming where the
1:09:53dead will hear the voice of the Son of
1:09:54God, and those who hear will live."
1:09:57Where he says in John 6:40, "This is the
1:09:59will of my father that all are to look
1:10:01to the Son and believe in him, and they
1:10:03will have eternal life, and I will raise
1:10:05him up on the last day."
1:10:08Whoa, Jesus, what are you talking about?
1:10:10M
1:10:10>> you got [clears throat] Matthew 25 where
1:10:12Jesus says that the son of man is going
1:10:14to come in his glory and with his angels
1:10:17and he's going to separate the sheep
1:10:18from the goats and to the he's going to
1:10:20put the sheep on his right goats on his
1:10:22left to the sheep he's going to say come
1:10:24enter heaven you who are blessed by my
1:10:26father to the goats he's going to say
1:10:27depart from me I never knew you into the
1:10:29eternal hellfire who does does Jesus
1:10:31think he is saying that he's the one who
1:10:34decides who goes to heaven and hell
1:10:35who's the one who decides to go to
1:10:36heaven and hell Mr. Muslim God. So Jesus
1:10:40in all these different ways is claiming
1:10:42to be God. In Revelation 22:13, Jesus
1:10:46says, "I am the first and the last, the
1:10:48beginning and the end, the alpha and the
1:10:49omega." Ask the Muslim, "Who's the first
1:10:51and the last?" And in accordance to the
1:10:53Quran in chapter 57:3, it says, "Allah,
1:10:56he is the first and the last." Why in
1:10:59the world is Allah copying Jesus?
1:11:02>> Why? All these things that we see Jesus
1:11:05says about himself, Allah says about
1:11:07himself in the Quran.
1:11:10>> So if this is good enough to make Allah
1:11:12God and Allah claim to be God, why isn't
1:11:16why isn't it good enough for Jesus to be
1:11:18claiming to be God?
1:11:20>> Even by Islamic standards, Jesus in the
1:11:23Bible claims to be God.
1:11:25>> Now, you can reject the Bible all you
1:11:26want. You can say that's corrupted. You
1:11:28can say, "I disagree with that. I don't
1:11:30believe that." But you can't say it
1:11:32doesn't say that.
1:11:33>> You can't say Jesus didn't claim to be
1:11:34God in the Bible. Now you know.
1:11:36>> All right. So, let's take it back. So,
1:11:37we've covered the Islamic dilemma. Uh
1:11:40we've just covered Jesus never claimed
1:11:42to be God. Um but I I know a huge huge
1:11:47>> sticking point in these conversations is
1:11:51the Christian belief of the Trinity. I
1:11:54think that is a
1:11:56>> as we mentioned earlier, we were going
1:11:57to come back to it. this concept of
1:11:59sherk and uh
1:12:08>> how can a Christian give a good
1:12:11apologetic or a defense to a Muslim who
1:12:16is utterly offended by this doctrine
1:12:21that Christians promote [clears throat]
1:12:23>> that God is three and yet one.
1:12:28>> Um, how can we how can we defend that
1:12:31>> and what are some things we probably
1:12:33shouldn't do? I mean, there's some
1:12:35there's some pretty bad analogies that
1:12:36when it comes to Trinity, so you can
1:12:38maybe touch on those a little bit, but
1:12:40what what what how can we how can we
1:12:43kind of respond to that? Yeah,
1:12:44>> I know that's a you know, that's a big
1:12:46one.
1:12:46>> Yeah. Don't respond with analogies.
1:12:47Don't do that.
1:12:48>> You mean the egg?
1:12:49>> The egg. You me mind, body, soul?
1:12:52>> Yeah.
1:12:52>> I'm I'm three.
1:12:53>> What about the water and steam and the
1:12:55and the ice?
1:12:55>> And the ice. No. No, don't do that. Do
1:12:58not start with with analogies. No. Yes.
1:13:01And partialism and all these other
1:13:03things
1:13:04>> guys. Um so for Muslims
1:13:08>> um [clears throat]
1:13:10it's difficult because like we said
1:13:13earlier to think that God has a that
1:13:16like there's a plurality within God is
1:13:19so beyond like it's no. It's just no.
1:13:23It's a no no. Right. But at the same
1:13:26time they themselves believe in a in a
1:13:30plurality within a unity like the the
1:13:33the whole concept ofhed is the concept
1:13:36that these attributes of God they're all
1:13:39distinct and they are unified and they
1:13:42make Allah what and who he is. So his
1:13:47lordship, his his his arms, his hands,
1:13:51his uh power, his knowledge, his word,
1:13:55all his speech, all of this is unified
1:13:58to make Allah who and what he is.
1:14:01There's a plurality of attributes. Not a
1:14:03plurality of persons, they would say,
1:14:04but a plurality of attributes. But
1:14:06here's the thing. What we what what we
1:14:10believe about Jesus, right? how he is
1:14:12the eternal word of God who eternally is
1:14:17is uh united and in essence with the
1:14:20father right this is what's this is what
1:14:23similarly they believe about the Quran
1:14:25they believe that the Quran is Allah's
1:14:29eternal uncreated speech his uncreated
1:14:33word right but at the same time he's
1:14:36distinct from his word his word emanates
1:14:39from him and he's distinct from him But
1:14:41though his word is not separate from him
1:14:44and so they believe that his word is
1:14:46unccreated, it's eternal and it's uh and
1:14:51it's subsist within Allah. This is what
1:14:54we believe about Jesus that he is the
1:14:57eternal word of the father who emanates
1:15:00from the father eternally is begotten
1:15:02from the father right and is distinct
1:15:05from the father while being inseparable
1:15:07in his essence. They're completely one
1:15:10in their essence, in their substance. So
1:15:13this concept is not totally alien to
1:15:18Islam because they believe this about
1:15:20Allah's word. So I think that if we
1:15:23present you know the trinity in this way
1:15:27to the Muslims to Islam as in not
1:15:30focusing necessarily on Jesus the man
1:15:33but the Jesus the word the word of the
1:15:37father the word of God in comparison to
1:15:40Allah and his word. I think that it'll
1:15:43be easier to make a connection and how
1:15:45we're not saying that there's two
1:15:47different gods when it comes to the
1:15:48father and Jesus or even his spirit that
1:15:50there's three different gods, but that
1:15:52there's one God that there's one God
1:15:56with a distinct a distinction in persons
1:15:59and it doesn't split him up. It doesn't
1:16:01split his essence. It doesn't separate
1:16:03his his nature like a a pizza. It
1:16:06doesn't
1:16:07>> it [clears throat] doesn't partialize or
1:16:08puts him in parts. Okay. So, I think
1:16:10that that's an interesting angle to take
1:16:12it. Um, another way is is demonstrating
1:16:17to them that that they're conflating two
1:16:20issues. They're conflating categories,
1:16:22being and personhood. And usually for
1:16:24the Muslim, they think that a being and
1:16:27a person is one and the same. When we
1:16:28say, "Yeah, we believe in three distinct
1:16:30persons in one God." They think we're
1:16:32saying three different beings,
1:16:34>> three gods,
1:16:34>> three gods. And so it's important for us
1:16:36to make that distinction that no, we're
1:16:39saying one being, one divine essence
1:16:43and three co-eternal persons, three
1:16:45distinct persons, not three different
1:16:48essences, not three different beings,
1:16:50not expressions, three distinct persons
1:16:54that have the same divine essence,
1:16:55inseparable.
1:16:57>> That's what we're saying. So for
1:16:58example, like if I like everything has
1:17:01being is just state of existence, right?
1:17:04uh a rock has being right. So a rock is
1:17:07a being but you wouldn't say that a rock
1:17:08is a person. It's an inanimate being
1:17:11right. So doesn't that have person let's
1:17:13say you go up the ladder to humans human
1:17:15beings. A human is a being and also
1:17:18there's a human person. There two
1:17:20different things being and personhood.
1:17:22You can be have being but not
1:17:23personhood. But you can't have
1:17:25personhood without being. Right. Right.
1:17:27>> So every human being has a human person.
1:17:30How many human per how many human
1:17:31persons are within one human being?
1:17:34>> One. Mhm. Each human being is one human
1:17:36person. That's us. Now, there's a
1:17:38there's billions of human beings and
1:17:40human persons, right? When we go up the
1:17:43ladder, we go to the divine being, God,
1:17:46the divine essence. There's only one of
1:17:47those. There's not billions of those or
1:17:49not three. There's one of those divine
1:17:51being. One divine being. And three, this
1:17:54one divine being exists as three
1:17:56distinct persons. So unlike the one
1:17:58human being who only consists of one
1:18:00human person and there's billions of
1:18:02human beings, the one divine being
1:18:04consists of three persons, he's unlike
1:18:07us. So that shouldn't surprise us. It
1:18:10shouldn't surprise us if God's essence,
1:18:12if God's nature is completely unlike
1:18:14ours.
1:18:15>> It shouldn't it shouldn't be a surprise.
1:18:18So identifying these two categories and
1:18:21distinguishing them is important in the
1:18:24conversation with anyone when you're
1:18:26talking about the Trinity
1:18:27>> because usually in every argument
1:18:30they're conflating the two.
1:18:34>> Let's let's move to the crucifixion.
1:18:36>> Yep. because that's um that's one that
1:18:39um I think uh in their minds would be um
1:18:46it didn't it didn't happen.
1:18:48>> So So how do we how do we debunk that?
1:18:51How do we give evidence of that? Um
1:18:53>> they have to give evidence, not us.
1:18:56>> They're the ones who have to give
1:18:57evidence to the contrary because
1:18:58everybody and they mama knows Jesus was
1:19:01crucified.
1:19:02>> Right?
1:19:03>> You don't have to be a Christian to know
1:19:04that. Atheist scholars who they like to
1:19:07quote a lot, Bart Urman and Ger Ludman,
1:19:09all these atheist historians, right, say
1:19:12it is a fact of history, one of the most
1:19:14certain facts of history that Jesus was
1:19:16crucified in the first century under
1:19:18Pontious Pilot,
1:19:19>> right?
1:19:20>> That's a fact of history,
1:19:21>> right?
1:19:21>> So, Muslims are coming out and they're
1:19:24saying, "Oh, no. Actually, it didn't
1:19:25happen. God said psych. He made it look
1:19:27like it happened, but it didn't really
1:19:29happen." So, they have to bring the
1:19:32alternative. They're the ones who have
1:19:34to bring evidence to the contrary. So
1:19:36what did happen? If we were to go with
1:19:38you, what happened then? Who was it?
1:19:41Something happened. So like for example,
1:19:43if you go with this, uh, Allah made it
1:19:47appear so. Cuz you want to ask cuz the
1:19:49Quran doesn't say Allah made it appear
1:19:51so. It just says it was made to appear
1:19:52so. So they don't even know what that
1:19:55means. It could be like the disciples
1:19:57made it look like it or something in
1:19:58disguise. It could be that Allah did
1:20:01some type of delusion. It could be
1:20:02anything. The Quran is not clear while
1:20:05claiming to be a detailed book and
1:20:07clear. Um, so you ask them, "What does
1:20:10it mean that it was made to appear?" So,
1:20:12who who made it appear so, right?
1:20:15Usually you'll get Allah. Sometimes you
1:20:17won't. And then you have fun with that,
1:20:18but usually you'll get Allah made it
1:20:20appear that Jesus was crucified. So you
1:20:24mean to tell me that Allah in the first
1:20:28century
1:20:30tricked everyone into believing that
1:20:32Jesus was crucified and then waited 600
1:20:35years later to say psych I lied to say
1:20:39oh it was a joke.
1:20:41>> H no I made it I made it look like it.
1:20:44So then the disciples, the mothers of
1:20:47the mother of Jesus, those who followed
1:20:49him, Allah even tricked the believers
1:20:51because they'll try to say, well, you
1:20:53know, no, he just, you know, it was the
1:20:55enemies that he tricked. It was the it
1:20:57was it was the ones who tried to kill
1:20:59him that he that he uh, you know,
1:21:00deceived and gave this delusion. Well,
1:21:03no, it wasn't just them. The apostles
1:21:05went out saying Jesus rose from the dead
1:21:08from being crucified.
1:21:10>> That's what they were going out saying.
1:21:11Everybody was saying that. So even
1:21:13believers who wasn't against Jesus were
1:21:15tricked into believing he was crucified.
1:21:18So Allah lied and deceived the entire
1:21:21world.
1:21:23>> Waited 600 years later to say, "Yeah,
1:21:25guys, actually I made it I made it
1:21:26appear so."
1:21:27>> So what does that say about the
1:21:28character?
1:21:28>> It says that Allah is a deceiver. The
1:21:31biggest deceiver, which is what the
1:21:32Quran says anyway. It says he's the
1:21:34greatest of deceivers.
1:21:35>> Yeah.
1:21:35>> Chapter 3:54.
1:21:36>> Yeah. What does that mean? I don't
1:21:38[laughter] understand that. Yeah,
1:21:39>> man. This this if you want a religion
1:21:41that says this is Satan hiding in plain
1:21:44sight, Islam is it.
1:21:46>> Because imagine Satan does he didn't
1:21:49want to get rid of God. He wanted to be
1:21:50like God.
1:21:51>> He wanted that worship. He wanted that
1:21:52adoration, that attention.
1:21:54>> So he disguises himself as the one God
1:21:56to be worshiped as the deceiver. creates
1:21:58a a a caricature of himself called El
1:22:02the Shayan who's not really Satan to
1:22:05give them a enemy to fight against to
1:22:07think about why they worship him. This
1:22:10is silliness. So the the the crucifixion
1:22:12conundrum creates a huge problem. They
1:22:14are going against history and they have
1:22:16to renounce all of history and
1:22:18everything we know about history and how
1:22:19we come to know history. They have to
1:22:21renounce it all in order to uphold the
1:22:24Quranic claim that Jesus wasn't
1:22:26crucified.
1:22:26>> Right? When well-known scholars who
1:22:30dedicated their entire lives to studying
1:22:32historical fact have gone on record with
1:22:35no bias, it's not like these are all
1:22:37Christian historians who are like,
1:22:38"Yeah, of course we want to say that he
1:22:40was crucified." No, these are
1:22:41>> atheists. These are just historians who
1:22:43have stated facts of history. Yep.
1:22:46>> Now you're coming out and saying it just
1:22:47appeared that way.
1:22:47>> Yep. Who criticized the Bible. Bartman
1:22:50is one of the most is the probably the
1:22:52well most well-known critic against the
1:22:54Bible textually. textual critic and he's
1:22:57like, "Yeah, Jesus was crucified on
1:23:00Pontious Pilot. That is a fact,
1:23:01>> right?"
1:23:02>> And the earliest sources that we have of
1:23:03it, he appeals to the New Testament
1:23:05>> and then he also uses Josephus, the
1:23:07Tassis, all these other writings finding
1:23:08out. He uses all this all these uh
1:23:11independent sources and testimonies.
1:23:14Yeah. He was crucified, man. And then
1:23:16the birth of the church, the explosion,
1:23:18like it's just you have to go against
1:23:20history. You have to go against reality.
1:23:21>> Yeah.
1:23:22>> And that's what the Quran is. But it's
1:23:24not just going against reality and
1:23:25history. You're going against prophecy.
1:23:29You believe in the prophets.
1:23:31>> You believe in these scriptures. You so
1:23:33you say.
1:23:34>> That's interesting concept too. Okay.
1:23:36>> When we go into look and look at what
1:23:38the prophets taught, Isaiah 53
1:23:41>> said that he'll Yeah.
1:23:42>> He was wounded for our transgression. Uh
1:23:45uh uh you know, he was uh our our sins
1:23:47were laid upon him. Yeah.
1:23:48>> The Lord put on him the iniquity of us
1:23:50all. Right.
1:23:51>> He was cut off from the land of the
1:23:52living.
1:23:52>> Right. Psalm 2022, they have pierced my
1:23:55hands and my feet.
1:23:56>> They cast lots over my garments.
1:23:58>> The zabors, the Psalms,
1:23:59>> they believe in that.
1:24:00>> Yep. The Torah that the seed of the
1:24:03woman will crush the head of the serpent
1:24:05while being bruised. Uh Zechariah 12:10
1:24:09that they will look on me whom they
1:24:11pierced
1:24:13>> and they will mourn as one mourns over a
1:24:16loss of a firstborn child. Zechariah,
1:24:18>> they believe in all these.
1:24:19>> They believe in these scriptures
1:24:20supposedly.
1:24:21>> Yeah. So when you look at not just the
1:24:24historical side of things, but you look
1:24:26at the prophetic side of things,
1:24:28>> prophecy and history is on the side of
1:24:30the crucifixion,
1:24:31>> right?
1:24:32>> You're on the wrong side and what came
1:24:33after.
1:24:34>> That's interesting. What was said
1:24:36>> that was going to happen and then how
1:24:39people reacted and responded and
1:24:40reported after it happened.
1:24:42>> It all points to this point in time
1:24:45right here. And they have to deny all
1:24:47>> they have to deny all of it. And so
1:24:49Jesus says in Luke 24 46 he says and 44
1:24:53to 46 is this is what I said to you
1:24:55while I was still with you that the
1:24:57Christ should suffer and on the third
1:25:00day rise from the dead.
1:25:04That's what Jesus said. He says this why
1:25:05I said this is what was written about me
1:25:07and the psalms and the law and the
1:25:10prophets and it must be fulfilled.
1:25:12That's what he said. Jesus wraps it all
1:25:15up and says here I am. It happened. I
1:25:18told y'all. They told y'all.
1:25:20>> Yep.
1:25:21>> What are we doing?
1:25:23>> So, I asked the Muslim, "Whose side you
1:25:25want to be on? Are you going to be with
1:25:27all the prophets who are saying the same
1:25:28thing? History that's saying the same
1:25:30thing, or are you going to go with the
1:25:32so-called prophet who goes against all
1:25:34the prophets and goes against history?
1:25:37Who are you going to choose?"
1:25:43>> All right, so let's let's let's kind of
1:25:44wrap this up a little bit. Um guys, as
1:25:47you can see there there's there's so
1:25:49much more we could we could go. We could
1:25:52be here for another two or three hours
1:25:54>> just breaking this stuff down.
1:25:56>> Let's let's now move towards um the
1:26:00practical side of having conversations,
1:26:02right?
1:26:03>> Um so
1:26:04>> what would be maybe an easy way to
1:26:07naturally start a conversation with your
1:26:12Muslim friend, your Muslim student? uh
1:26:15that you're studying with at school if
1:26:17you're a college student or your
1:26:19neighbor who lives next to you, all just
1:26:22people. What would be an easy end to
1:26:25kind of start that conversation? Then
1:26:27we'll get into some things that you
1:26:28shouldn't say and things to look out
1:26:30for, but what would be an easy way to
1:26:32get going?
1:26:32>> Yeah, I got this question. It's a
1:26:34conversation starter. I got her from a
1:26:36sister named El Iso and she does
1:26:38evangelism with her husband um uh to
1:26:41Muslims and she I thought it was genius.
1:26:45We we went to the mosque and she would
1:26:48go up to the Muslims and she got more
1:26:50conversations than anybody any of us
1:26:52there and she would go up to the Muslims
1:26:54and ask what do you believe about the
1:26:56prophets
1:26:58and it would start the whole
1:26:59conversation and she'll get long
1:27:01conversations very successful very
1:27:02effective because they pride themselves
1:27:05on believing in the prophets and the
1:27:08same God that the prophets preached
1:27:09about and that Muhammad is the last
1:27:10messenger. So that start that that's a
1:27:14conversation starter that will lead you
1:27:16all different kinds of ways and you can
1:27:19guide that conversation which whatever
1:27:21strand you want to go with but start it
1:27:23off with what do you believe about the
1:27:26prophets. Okay. Um and that'll show you
1:27:29one that you're genuinely interested in
1:27:32what they have to say and what they
1:27:34believe and conversing with that person
1:27:38with where they are. you know, cuz
1:27:40that'll kind of show you what they know,
1:27:42what they don't know, how they discuss,
1:27:44what is important to them.
1:27:46>> And so then that's in a that's a way you
1:27:48can communicate with that particular
1:27:49person
1:27:50>> because you're trying to establish
1:27:51common ground. Okay. Exactly.
1:27:52>> I say I believe in the prophets.
1:27:53Exactly.
1:27:54>> You say you believe in the prophets.
1:27:55What what do you believe about the
1:27:57prophets? Then you can kind of see y
1:27:59>> and then of course you could say, well,
1:28:02you know, do do you believe that the
1:28:03prophets, you know, prophesied that
1:28:05there would be, you know, a messiah?
1:28:08>> Mhm.
1:28:08>> Yeah. Yeah.
1:28:09>> Yeah. Exactly.
1:28:10>> What do you believe?
1:28:12>> What did you believe the prophet said
1:28:13about what was going to happen to the
1:28:14Messiah?
1:28:15>> Mhm.
1:28:16>> Oh, well, but you don't believe he was
1:28:18crucified. You know,
1:28:20>> it leads all into that. Absolutely. And
1:28:22so you can um like if you're if you're
1:28:26like you said a random person, store,
1:28:29friend, neighborhood, coworker, you can
1:28:31you can start off by saying, "Hey, I've
1:28:33you know been seeing some some videos
1:28:36about about Islam lately and it got me
1:28:39curious. I just wanted to ask you like
1:28:41you're a Muslim, right? What is it that
1:28:43you guys believe about the prophets?"
1:28:44>> You know, you can come like that and
1:28:46genuine and uh the and let the Lord lead
1:28:50that conversation.
1:28:54We know how to start, but what are some
1:28:56non nos?
1:28:58Absolutely. This might shut the
1:29:00conversation down. You might lose them
1:29:02early on. What are some things that we
1:29:04Christians need to be very careful about
1:29:07leading with or saying? Is there
1:29:10anything that we could just
1:29:11>> The bi the Bible says to be as gentle as
1:29:14a dove, as wise as a serpent. when
1:29:16you're giving a defense for your faith
1:29:17and your belief, you do it in gentleness
1:29:19and kindness and love and respect. So,
1:29:21you don't want to offend the person,
1:29:23right? Um, now truth offends
1:29:24automatically. However, you don't want
1:29:26to be overly offensive. You don't want
1:29:27to be abrasive. You don't want to be
1:29:29that person. So, don't come off talking
1:29:32about, hey, why did Muhammad marry a
1:29:34child? You know, don't do that. Like,
1:29:37um, don't don't come out, hey, you know,
1:29:40uh, you know, does your husband beat
1:29:41you? You know, uh, do you beat your wife
1:29:43at home as a Muslim? like don't don't
1:29:45come out doing that, you know. Ask
1:29:47questions, you know. Hey, I I I've seen
1:29:50this hadith about um Muhammad and his
1:29:54and his and his wife Aisha that that she
1:29:56was six years old when they got married
1:29:58and nine when they consummated. What
1:29:59What do you think about that? Is that is
1:30:01that a common belief in Islam or how do
1:30:03you feel about that? You know, that's
1:30:05how you approach that.
1:30:06>> You know, don't come badgering them with
1:30:07it.
1:30:08>> Um if that's what you want to talk
1:30:10about. So come respectfully. Come in
1:30:12love. Come in genuine love. Like you're
1:30:15not an enemy of the person. This person
1:30:17has been deceived. They've been duped.
1:30:19They need the gospel. Give it to them.
1:30:21Present it to them. Start the
1:30:23conversation.
1:30:28Perfect way to end this video. The
1:30:29gospel.
1:30:30>> Yeah.
1:30:31>> So, um, let's say there's somebody
1:30:34watching this and you're on your live
1:30:36stream. Um, you've done this a million
1:30:39times.
1:30:40uh someone is a is a is a is an is a
1:30:43Muslim, they follow Islam and you want
1:30:46to share the gospel with them.
1:30:48>> Yeah.
1:30:48>> How do you share the gospel with
1:30:52specifically with a a Muslim? What are
1:30:54what are some ways
1:30:56>> that you focus on pinpoint that would
1:30:59hopefully drive home
1:31:01>> Yeah.
1:31:01>> the point a little bit for them?
1:31:03>> Yeah. what I mentioned earlier. So I
1:31:05would establish with the Muslim that's
1:31:07listening that you believe in the
1:31:10revelations of Allah. You you believe in
1:31:13the Torah. You believe in the gospel,
1:31:15the Psalms, and you believe that they
1:31:17all had one message. We do too. And when
1:31:21we go and look into these scriptures, we
1:31:23can see a consistent thread of what that
1:31:26message is. And that is that God is
1:31:29going to reconcile mankind to himself.
1:31:32that we are sinful and that we need a
1:31:34savior. We need a redeemer. And it's
1:31:37nothing that we can do, no amount of
1:31:39sacrifices, no amount of prayer times,
1:31:42no amount of temple service that can
1:31:44make us right with God. God says that
1:31:46our works are filthy rags to him. He
1:31:49says that he desires for us to have a
1:31:52contrite spirit, a circumcised heart,
1:31:55and he says that he himself is going to
1:31:56renew us and put his law within our
1:31:59hearts. How is that going to happen?
1:32:02This happens when he comes in the flesh.
1:32:05The Bible says, "For unto us a son is
1:32:07born. Unto us a child is given. And the
1:32:10government shall be upon his shoulder
1:32:12and his name shall be called wonderful
1:32:14counselor, the mighty God, the
1:32:16everlasting father, prince of peace."
1:32:19The scripture says that God is going to
1:32:21come in the flesh. It says that the
1:32:23behold the virgin shall conceive and
1:32:25bear a son and shall call his name
1:32:27Emmanuel, which means God with us. God
1:32:30is coming. He's coming. That's what he
1:32:33says. He's not not nobody else. He say
1:32:34he says he looked all over the place and
1:32:36there was no one that can bring the
1:32:38salvation. So he says, "I my right hand
1:32:41will do it. My own hand will do it. I
1:32:43will do it. I will atone for their
1:32:45sins." That's in Ezekiel. So God tells
1:32:48us that he's going to be the one who
1:32:49comes and redeems mankind and reconciles
1:32:52us back to himself. And we see that in
1:32:55the person of Christ. He came, he
1:32:58conquered, he conquered the law, he
1:33:00conquered sin, he conquered death. And
1:33:02it's only in him. When we read what the
1:33:05prophet said, we read the inel, we read
1:33:08the Torah, we read the Psalms, we see
1:33:10that the son of God came in the flesh,
1:33:14died for our sins, rose again in power.
1:33:17Cuz he says, "No one can take my life
1:33:19from me." He says, "I lay it down in my
1:33:21own accord. I have the authority to lay
1:33:23it down. I have the authority to pick it
1:33:24back up again. this charge I received
1:33:26from my father. So he has power over
1:33:28life and death. He gave his life so that
1:33:30we can live and it's only in him that we
1:33:33have life.
1:33:38>> We've shared the gospel with them.
1:33:42Um what can we A lot of times as
1:33:45Christians we make the um mistake of
1:33:48hoping that we'll get a quick conversion
1:33:51you know like we do in church and always
1:33:53give a altar call and people come down
1:33:55>> for us we can do that and it costs us
1:33:58nothing
1:33:59>> as as Christians we need to understand
1:34:02that for them it it costs them something
1:34:07in their community in their faith if
1:34:10they turn away from Islam and become a
1:34:12Christian. What does that cost them? And
1:34:15the reason I'm asking is because it's
1:34:16helpful for us to understand that so
1:34:18that we don't expect some quick you've
1:34:21shared all the facts, laid out
1:34:22everything.
1:34:23>> They have a lot more to consider
1:34:26changing their faith and becoming a
1:34:28Christian than
1:34:30>> let's say your neighbor who's just
1:34:32>> grew up in America. Oh yeah, I think I
1:34:35need do need to be saved.
1:34:36>> Yeah.
1:34:36>> What what does it cost them?
1:34:38>> Everything.
1:34:38>> Everything.
1:34:39>> For them, everything. They lose
1:34:41everything. Community cut out. Mom and
1:34:45dad might do an honor killing. Um, wife
1:34:50might be stoned. Husband cut off, might
1:34:53be beheaded, divorced, everything. Lose
1:34:56your children. You know, you have
1:34:58husbands that have threatened their
1:35:00wives uh with never seeing their
1:35:03children, taking their children if they
1:35:05convert to Christianity, being kicked
1:35:07out of the house, and vice versa. Um
1:35:10it's it's for them it's everything
1:35:12everything that they've known is a lie
1:35:15and they're and they imagine waking up
1:35:17to that. Imagine coming to grips with yo
1:35:21I've had my kids grow up in this prayer.
1:35:23They're going to think that their dad is
1:35:24a caffer, a disbeliever. Uh their dad is
1:35:28a polytheist now and that Allah I won't
1:35:30forgive their dad
1:35:31>> or their mom. They're going to be
1:35:33ashamed of me in the community. Um,
1:35:36>> you know, they're going to want me dead,
1:35:39everything.
1:35:41So, it's heavy. What what has happened
1:35:46with the anti-gosspel
1:35:48is, and you'll see it in a lot of these
1:35:50communities, it's the threat of death
1:35:52and loss of community. And that's huge.
1:35:55So, people would rather hold on to these
1:35:57things and and and not risk losing that
1:36:00for something else, right? It's
1:36:03powerful. So it's a powerful hold. And
1:36:05that's why that's why Jesus talks about
1:36:08this man. He says, "The mother will be
1:36:10against daughter,
1:36:11>> father against son, brother against
1:36:13brother, friend against friend
1:36:15>> for my name's sake."
1:36:16>> Wow.
1:36:16>> And he says, "Whoever loses his life for
1:36:19my sake will gain it."
1:36:20>> Whatever whoever saves his life, who
1:36:22keeps his life, they will lose it.
1:36:25That's what Jesus says. And so Jesus
1:36:28promises. He says, "Man, do not fear.
1:36:30The one who can kill the body but not
1:36:32the soul. who can hurt you physically
1:36:34but not hurt you spiritually. Fear the
1:36:37one that can kill the body and the soul
1:36:39and throw it into hell.
1:36:41>> It's your eternity that matters that's
1:36:43most important. Where we spend the next
1:36:45life. Where am I going to be? Am I going
1:36:47to be with the Lord with the true God or
1:36:49I'm am I going to be in the hellfire
1:36:52suffering and in torment separated from
1:36:54God? I don't want to be separated from
1:36:56God. They don't want to be separated
1:36:58from God. So it's everything. So we have
1:37:02to have that in mind. But Christ gives
1:37:04the answer. He says man whoever does the
1:37:07will of my father that is my mother and
1:37:09that is my brother that is my sister.
1:37:12>> You gain you that to them carnally they
1:37:15feel like they lose everything. But they
1:37:17don't lose nothing. Christ gives you
1:37:19everything.
1:37:20>> Christ gives you family by the billions.
1:37:24You get family, you get community, you
1:37:27get life.
1:37:29Even if you lose it, you get life.
1:37:31>> He says, "Those in me, though they die,
1:37:33will live.
1:37:35>> You'll never thirst again. You'll never
1:37:37hunger again. In Christ, you're
1:37:39fulfilled. You can lose everything
1:37:42worldly
1:37:44and have everything at the same time."
1:37:47That's what Christ offers. So, it's
1:37:50important that we have that perspective
1:37:52of talking to Muslims and we present
1:37:54them Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus.
1:38:00Brother, that's a that's a sobering way
1:38:03to end our time together, man. Brother,
1:38:06you are a wealth of not just wisdom and
1:38:09knowledge, but um God's hand is on you,
1:38:11brother. Man, I'm telling you, God I I
1:38:14it's
1:38:15>> it's been such a pleasure to share these
1:38:17last couple days with you, these videos,
1:38:20man. And
1:38:21>> we're going to do more.
1:38:22>> Yes, sir.
1:38:22>> We're going to do we're going to do
1:38:23more. There's so much more in you that
1:38:26God has placed that I think will help
1:38:28not only me. I've learned so much.
1:38:30Praise God.
1:38:31>> But also for our our community on the
1:38:33beat. And so um uh like we did in the
1:38:37Hebrew Israelite video, tell them where
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1:38:41that if people are [laughter] watching
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1:38:53>> [laughter]
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1:40:28is a long video. Uh but hopefully you
1:40:30got some value out of it and uh
1:40:33hopefully if not anything else, it
1:40:34encourages you to take your faith more
1:40:37seriously. um find out why you believe
1:40:41and what you believe and to realize that
1:40:44the souls of people right around you in
1:40:46your own sphere, your neighborhood, your
1:40:48schools, your communities are at stake
1:40:52and God may plant you in a place where
1:40:54you have to share your faith with
1:40:58somebody who's a Muslim. And so I just
1:41:00pray that we're all um equipped and
1:41:03ready to do that. So, thank you guys so
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1:41:06other video that we did on the Black
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1:41:13the next video. Bye for now.

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