"We'll All Be Thinking of You," My Daughter Texted After Giving My $31,400 Alaska Cabin to Her Mo... — Transcript
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- 0:00The text came in at 7:14 on a Tuesday
- 0:03morning while I stood in my closet
- 0:06trying to decide between two rain
- 0:08jackets for Alaska. And by lunchtime, my
- 0:11daughter's credit card was declining at
- 0:14a Kroger checkout. I want to tell you
- 0:17how I got there because I wasn't angry
- 0:19when it started. I was happy. I had been
- 0:22happy all week. My suitcase lay open on
- 0:25the guest bed and I had been filling it
- 0:27in stages the way you do
- 0:30when you've waited a long time for
- 0:31something. Wool socks, a fleece, a
- 0:35little fold-up umbrella
- 0:37I'd bought at the Target on Route 23
- 0:39just for this.
- 0:4114 days on a small ship through the
- 0:43Inside Passage, Juneau, Ketchikan,
- 0:47Glacier Bay. I booked it 8 months ahead
- 0:50and paid $31,400
- 0:53for a family package.
- 0:55A big stateroom with a balcony for me
- 0:58and connecting cabins for my daughter
- 1:00Jenna, her husband Brandon, and their
- 1:02two kids, Nora and Finn.
- 1:05Tell me the name of your city in the
- 1:07comments and I'll tell you what happened
- 1:10next.
- 1:11My late husband Carl and I talked about
- 1:14Alaska for 20 years.
- 1:16He kept a map of it taped inside his
- 1:19workshop cabinet.
- 1:21"Someday," he always said. Then he had
- 1:23his heart attack at 61 standing in our
- 1:26driveway with a bag of mulch and someday
- 1:29turned out to be a word for people with
- 1:31more time than we had. So I stopped
- 1:34waiting. I'm Joan Murray. I'm 63 and I
- 1:38spent 31 years as a high school
- 1:41principal in Dublin, Ohio. So I do not
- 1:44stop easily once I've decided something.
- 1:47I picked up my phone from the cedar
- 1:49chest at the foot of the bed. The
- 1:51message was from Jenna.
- 1:54"Mom, I need to ask you something and I
- 1:57need you to stay calm.
- 1:59Brandon I have been talking and we think
- 2:02it makes more sense for his mom, Sharon,
- 2:05to take your spot on the trip.
- 2:07She just went through a brutal divorce
- 2:09and really needs the lift.
- 2:12You always say you can travel anytime
- 2:14now that you're retired. We'll all be
- 2:17thinking of you.
- 2:18I read it three times. We'll all be
- 2:21thinking of you.
- 2:23As if I were a retired greyhound and
- 2:25they'd found a nice neighbor to check in
- 2:27on me.
- 2:28Outside, the oak in my backyard had just
- 2:31started turning gold.
- 2:33It was a beautiful October morning and I
- 2:36sat on the cedar chest in my robe.
- 2:38Healthy, sharp, perfectly able to climb
- 2:41a gangway, reading that my own daughter
- 2:44had handed my seat to someone else.
- 2:47I didn't cry.
- 2:48When Jenna was younger, I cried over her
- 2:51all the time.
- 2:52I'd lie awake replaying conversations,
- 2:55hunting for what I'd said wrong. But
- 2:57somewhere in the last few years,
- 2:59something in me had gone quiet. The way
- 3:02a pond goes quiet right before it
- 3:04freezes over.
- 3:06I put the phone down.
- 3:08Then I picked it back up and called the
- 3:10travel company.
- 3:12After 4 minutes of hold music, a woman
- 3:14named Deb came on, bright and quick. The
- 3:17voice of someone 11 calls into a hard
- 3:20morning. I gave her my name,
- 3:22my reservation number, and my passcode.
- 3:26Mrs. Murray, I'm glad you called, she
- 3:28said.
- 3:30Someone phoned about an hour ago
- 3:33asking to put a different passenger into
- 3:35your stateroom and take you off the
- 3:37primary berth.
- 3:39I couldn't make the change. Anything
- 3:41like that has to be authorized by the
- 3:43account holder and that's you.
- 3:46I shut my eyes.
- 3:47So the text hadn't been a question at
- 3:49all.
- 3:50Jenna had already tried to do it behind
- 3:53my back and the company had stopped her.
- 3:56The text was clean up.
- 3:58Thank you, Deb, I said. Since I'm the
- 4:01account holder, I'd like to cancel the
- 4:03whole booking.
- 4:05A pause, then keyboard clicks.
- 4:08The entire thing?
- 4:10Okay. Per the policy,
- 4:12you'd forfeit the $4,200
- 4:15deposit, and the remaining $27,200
- 4:19goes back to your card.
- 4:21Do you want me to proceed?
- 4:23Yes, all of it.
- 4:25I watched the oak while she typed.
- 4:28Losing $4,000 was not nothing.
- 4:32It was still cheaper than 2 weeks at a
- 4:34dinner table with people who wished I'd
- 4:36stayed home.
- 4:38When the confirmation email landed, I
- 4:40thanked Deb, hung up, and wrote back to
- 4:43my daughter.
- 4:44That makes complete sense.
- 4:46I wouldn't want to be in the way.
- 4:49I've canceled the entire reservation, so
- 4:51you and Brandon can arrange whatever
- 4:54works for your family and Sharon.
- 4:56Enjoy your fall.
- 4:58I hit send, set the phone on the
- 5:00dresser, and went to make coffee.
- 5:03I know how to wait. You don't run a
- 5:05building with 1,400 teenagers and 100
- 5:09teachers without learning when not to
- 5:10react. I ground the beans, filled the
- 5:14French press, and let it steep 4 full
- 5:17minutes.
- 5:19The phone stayed silent for three of
- 5:20them.
- 5:21Then it went wild.
- 5:23I turned the ringer off and opened my
- 5:25laptop.
- 5:27Here's what most people don't know.
- 5:29For nearly 6 years, I had been quietly
- 5:32holding up my daughter's household, and
- 5:35it had grown so gradually that I never
- 5:37once looked at the whole thing at once.
- 5:41It began when Brandon's engineering firm
- 5:43lost a big contract, and he went 8
- 5:46months without steady pay.
- 5:48Jenna called me in tears.
- 5:50They were going to miss the mortgage.
- 5:53I sent $12,000 from the money Carl left
- 5:57me, and told myself it was a one-time
- 5:59thing. Then came the emergencies, first
- 6:02every few months, and then every month.
- 6:06I made Jenna a joint holder on my
- 6:08checking account at the credit union, so
- 6:10she could reach funds quickly.
- 6:13I paid their health insurance gap when
- 6:15Brandon changed jobs. I paid the kids
- 6:18private school tuition because Jenna
- 6:20said the public school wasn't a fit. I
- 6:24put their Honda Pilot on my auto policy
- 6:26with Mills Insurance when theirs lapsed,
- 6:29a vehicle I'd never even ridden in. I
- 6:32paid for a storage unit across town
- 6:35where Jenna kept furniture she had no
- 6:37room for, $180
- 6:40a month, a bill I hadn't thought about
- 6:42in 2 years.
- 6:44I called it helping. I think, honestly,
- 6:48I called it love, and I'm not sure I'd
- 6:50have called it anything else if you'd
- 6:52asked me then.
- 6:54I logged into the portal and opened the
- 6:56joint account.
- 6:57The history scrolled past like a receipt
- 7:00for somebody else's life.
- 7:033 weeks earlier, $380
- 7:06at a wine bar in Scottsdale. The weekend
- 7:09Jenna said they were at a work
- 7:11conference for Brandon. 2 weeks earlier,
- 7:14$215 at a day spa. 1 week earlier, $640
- 7:21at an outdoor outfitter, Alaska gear.
- 7:23I sat very still with my mug in my hand.
- 7:26They had bought gear for the trip with
- 7:29money from my account. For a trip they'd
- 7:31planned without me.
- 7:33I removed Jenna from the joint account.
- 7:35Then I opened the credit card I'd added
- 7:37her to for emergencies and looked at
- 7:40those charges.
- 7:41A meal kit service every week.
- 7:44$900 at a furniture boutique in March.
- 7:48A wine club. $1,100
- 7:51at an electronic store last Tuesday.
- 7:54I closed the card.
- 7:56The refrigerator hummed.
- 7:59A cardinal landed on the feeder outside
- 8:01the window, and I thought, with a
- 8:03clarity I'd been avoiding for years,
- 8:06that I had known.
- 8:08Not the details,
- 8:09but the shape. I just hadn't wanted to
- 8:12look
- 8:13because looking meant I'd have to do
- 8:15something.
- 8:16I called the storage facility and gave
- 8:18them my account number.
- 8:21"I'd like to cancel the unit effective
- 8:23the end of this month."
- 8:25"Sure. You'll need to have it emptied by
- 8:28October 31st or the contents get
- 8:31donated."
- 8:32"That's fine. Please send the notice to
- 8:35me and to my daughter." And I gave them
- 8:37Jenna's email from memory.
- 8:40Then I canceled the swim team auto pay,
- 8:43the piano lessons,
- 8:45the Costco membership I'd been renewing
- 8:47in Jenna's name,
- 8:49the streaming accounts.
- 8:50Each click was quiet and deliberate.
- 8:53I wasn't throwing a fit.
- 8:55I was putting my finances back in the
- 8:57shape of my own life.
- 8:59My phone buzzed twice against the
- 9:01counter. Two texts.
- 9:03"Mom, my card isn't working. Then it got
- 9:07declined at Kroger in front of everyone.
- 9:10There must be a bank error. Can you call
- 9:11them?"
- 9:13A bank error, of course.
- 9:15I didn't answer. I called my agent at
- 9:18Mills Insurance, a patient man named
- 9:20Keith, and asked him to take the pilot
- 9:22off my policy.
- 9:24"Not selling it?" he asked. I said no.
- 9:27"My daughter would be arranging her own
- 9:29coverage." He promised it would be done
- 9:32by midnight and he said kindly, "Joan,
- 9:35about time you called."
- 9:37I printed the confirmation. Jenna
- 9:39called, then Brandon. I let both go to
- 9:42voicemail.
- 9:4320 minutes later I heard tires on
- 9:45gravel. I'd known that sound for 2
- 9:48years.
- 9:49Jenna pulling in unannounced to drop off
- 9:51the kids, raid my pantry, or borrow my
- 9:55garden tools that never came home.
- 9:58I walked to the front door and opened it
- 10:00before she could knock.
- 10:01Her hair was done like she'd planned on
- 10:04a nicer day.
- 10:06Brandon stood two steps behind her with
- 10:08his arms folded.
- 10:10"Mom."
- 10:11Jenna's voice was tight. "The card got
- 10:13declined. The piano payment bounced. The
- 10:17joint account says access denied, and
- 10:19the storage place sent me some
- 10:21cancellation notice.
- 10:23What is going on?"
- 10:24"I think it's fairly self-explanatory."
- 10:27I said.
- 10:28"You're punishing us because we changed
- 10:30the trip." Brandon said, in that calm,
- 10:33faintly superior voice he used when he
- 10:36wanted to be the reasonable adult in the
- 10:38room.
- 10:39"We made a practical decision for the
- 10:41family.
- 10:42Sharon needs it more than you do."
- 10:45"You tried to remove me from a
- 10:46reservation I paid for." I said.
- 10:49"Without asking.
- 10:51And you texted me only after the company
- 10:54turned you down. You used the word lift,
- 10:57Jenna, as if I were weather that needed
- 10:59rerouting."
- 11:00Her chin came up. "You're overreacting.
- 11:03You always take things so personally."
- 11:07"I take being voted off my own vacation
- 11:09personally. Yes."
- 11:11"We'll pay you back the cancellation
- 11:13fee." She said, too fast.
- 11:16"We just need the card working again to
- 11:18get through the week.
- 11:20The mortgage draft is Friday."
- 11:22There it was. Not an apology, a request.
- 11:26"Your mortgage draft comes out of which
- 11:28account?" I asked, though I knew.
- 11:31She glanced at Brandon. "The joint one."
- 11:35"For 14 months." I said. "Your mortgage
- 11:38has been drafting from my account for 14
- 11:41months, Jenna."
- 11:43Something heavy settled onto the porch
- 11:45between us.
- 11:46"We always meant to move it back." She
- 11:49said. "It was just easier."
- 11:52"I know. It always is."
- 11:55I looked at my daughter, a person I had
- 11:57raised and worried over and cheered for
- 11:5934 years.
- 12:01"Listen to me.
- 12:02I'm not doing this out of anger. I
- 12:04looked at my accounts this morning and
- 12:06realized I can't tell where your life
- 12:08ends and mine begins.
- 12:11That isn't good for either of us. You
- 12:13need to make your payment Friday from
- 12:15your own account. Sit down together,
- 12:18figure out what you actually earn and
- 12:20actually spend, and build a budget from
- 12:23those two numbers.
- 12:25What I can't be anymore is the thing
- 12:28that makes them balance.
- 12:30Brandon stepped up, jaw tight. You're
- 12:33cutting off your grandkids swimming over
- 12:36a scheduling conflict.
- 12:38I'm encouraging their parents to pay for
- 12:40their activities, I said. That's
- 12:43generally how it works.
- 12:45And the car insurance? You pulled the
- 12:47pilot.
- 12:48If she gets pulled over tomorrow,
- 12:51then she should call Keith at Mills
- 12:53today.
- 12:54He can write a new policy by this
- 12:56afternoon.
- 12:57He stared at me with the look of a man
- 12:59who'd never been told no in a way that
- 13:01stuck.
- 13:02You'll regret isolating yourself. This
- 13:05family is all you have.
- 13:08I have plenty, I said. I have my health,
- 13:11my pension, my savings, and a refund of
- 13:14$27,200
- 13:16coming back to me by Friday.
- 13:19I have good neighbors and a book club.
- 13:21And, Brandon, I have a suitcase that's
- 13:24already half packed.
- 13:26I turned to Jenna.
- 13:27The storage unit has to be cleared by
- 13:29the 31st. The notice is in your inbox.
- 13:34Her eyes were shining.
- 13:36Part of me wanted to reach for her, the
- 13:38part that would always be her mother.
- 13:41But I had learned, slowly and at real
- 13:44cost, that reaching for her every time
- 13:47she looked hurt was exactly what she'd
- 13:49been counting on for 6 years.
- 13:52"I love you," I said. "That hasn't
- 13:55changed, but I'm not your bank, and I'm
- 13:57not a convenience. Call me when you want
- 14:00a real relationship."
- 14:02I closed the door and stood in the
- 14:04hallway listening to their low, angry
- 14:06voices on the porch.
- 14:09Then the sound of the car backing out.
- 14:12My neighbor Paula knocked at the back
- 14:14door around noon. She'd seen the car and
- 14:16come to check on me.
- 14:18I poured her coffee and gave her the
- 14:20short version.
- 14:22"Good lord," she said, flattening her
- 14:24hand on my kitchen table.
- 14:27"Then it's true. Sharon told half our
- 14:30church choir she'd be staying in your
- 14:31house."
- 14:33I set my mug down carefully. "In my
- 14:35house?"
- 14:36"She said she'd be using your guest room
- 14:38as a base while she looked at condos in
- 14:41this neighborhood.
- 14:43Her divorce sale closes the week after
- 14:45that cruise.
- 14:47Jenna told her it was all arranged."
- 14:50And the pieces slid into place.
- 14:53I had wondered, the way you do, how both
- 14:55things could be true.
- 14:57Sharon on the ship in my cabin and
- 15:00Sharon in my guest room. They couldn't,
- 15:03not at the same time. But they didn't
- 15:05need to. The cruise was 2 weeks. Sharon
- 15:08needed somewhere to land afterward.
- 15:10Jenna had meant to hand her my cabin.
- 15:13And then, once Sharon came home glowing,
- 15:16and I'd had time to feel gracious and
- 15:17guilty, ask me to open the guest room.
- 15:20For a month, maybe.
- 15:22Then three.
- 15:23They'd done it before with smaller
- 15:25things, a loan, a favor, a key. They'd
- 15:29always counted on my saying yes, and I
- 15:31always had.
- 15:33That afternoon, I called a locksmith.
- 15:35New deadbolts on all three doors and a
- 15:38keypad on the front that it happened to
- 15:40have in his van.
- 15:41I paid $340
- 15:44and set my own six-digit code. Then I
- 15:47texted Jenna. "The locks have been
- 15:49changed. Sharon is not welcome to stay
- 15:53in my home."
- 15:54Three hours of silence.
- 15:57Then a long paragraph arrived that
- 15:59Brandon had clearly helped write, full
- 16:01of phrases like escalating unnecessarily
- 16:05and harming the family unit.
- 16:07I read it once and went back to my book.
- 16:10Friday morning, the refund posted.
- 16:13$27,200,
- 16:16right where it belonged.
- 16:18The following Tuesday, Sharon showed up.
- 16:22I was in the garden pulling up the last
- 16:24of the tomato plants when my doorbell
- 16:26camera chimed on my phone. A silver
- 16:29Buick sat at the curb with its trunk
- 16:31open. On my porch stood a woman in a
- 16:34quilted coat with two large suitcases, a
- 16:37garment bag, and a tote bag from the
- 16:40church bake sale.
- 16:41She rang the bell. She knocked. Then she
- 16:45tried to turn a key in my lock, the key
- 16:48Jenna had given her, and it did nothing.
- 16:51I walked around the side of the house,
- 16:53still in my gardening gloves.
- 16:56"Sharon," I said.
- 16:58She jumped. "Joan. Oh, thank goodness.
- 17:02Jenna said you'd be expecting me.
- 17:04Something's wrong with the lock."
- 17:06"N- Nothing's wrong with the lock. I
- 17:09changed it."
- 17:10Her face did something complicated.
- 17:13Sharon is 66 and I'll admit, not a
- 17:16villain.
- 17:18She's a woman who had her house sold out
- 17:20from under her and was told by her son
- 17:22and my daughter that a soft place was
- 17:24waiting for her.
- 17:25"Jenna said it was all settled," she
- 17:28said. "She said you'd be glad to help
- 17:31after everything I've been through."
- 17:34"I'm sorry about your divorce," I said.
- 17:37And I meant it. "I'm sorry nobody asked
- 17:40me before they told you where you'd be
- 17:42sleeping.
- 17:43I didn't agree to this, Sharon. I didn't
- 17:46even know about it until last Tuesday."
- 17:49She looked at the suitcases, at the
- 17:51door, at me. Her voice dropped. "They
- 17:54told me the cruise was a gift from the
- 17:57family. Jenna said it was already paid."
- 18:00"It was paid by me and canceled by me."
- 18:04She sat down slowly on my porch step in
- 18:06her good coat. I stood there a moment,
- 18:09then went and sat beside her because
- 18:12whatever else was true, nobody should be
- 18:15left sitting alone on a porch with her
- 18:17whole life in two suitcases.
- 18:20I did not let her in.
- 18:22I did call Paula, whose husband had
- 18:25passed two winters ago, and Paula said,
- 18:28without my even finishing the question,
- 18:30that she had an extra room for a week.
- 18:33Sharon went home with her, with her bake
- 18:35sale tote on her arm, quietly furious at
- 18:39the two people who had set her up. And I
- 18:41will tell you that was the first moment
- 18:43in 6 years I felt entirely clean.
- 18:47Because here is the part Jenna had never
- 18:50once considered. Every plan she made was
- 18:53built on me saying yes at the last
- 18:55second. When I said no, the whole
- 18:58structure came down in an afternoon.
- 19:01On October 31st, it rained.
- 19:04I drove past the storage facility on my
- 19:07way to the pharmacy and saw a rented box
- 19:09truck backed up to the unit. Brandon in
- 19:12a soaked sweatshirt hauling a mattress,
- 19:15Jenna wrapping a lamp in a bath towel.
- 19:18Nora sat in the truck cab with a
- 19:20coloring book. I drove past. Then I
- 19:23turned around in the lot of a dry
- 19:25cleaner, came back, and parked.
- 19:28I took the little fold-up umbrella I'd
- 19:30bought for Alaska, and I walked across
- 19:33the wet asphalt to my daughter.
- 19:36Jenna saw me first.
- 19:38She went still, the lamp against her
- 19:40chest. Brandon set the mattress down
- 19:43against the truck and wiped his face
- 19:45with his sleeve. He didn't fold his arms
- 19:48this time. I noticed that.
- 19:51"Mom," Jenna said, "we didn't think
- 19:53you'd come."
- 19:54"I didn't come to help," I said. "I came
- 19:57to hear it, all of it. Brandon, you
- 19:59first."
- 20:00He looked at the ground, then at me.
- 20:03"The firm never recovered. I've been
- 20:06doing contract work for 2 years, and I
- 20:09told Jenna it was fine.
- 20:11I let your account cover the mortgage
- 20:13because it was easier than telling her
- 20:15the truth.
- 20:17And the trip?" He stopped and tried
- 20:19again. "We took your money, and then we
- 20:22took your seat. I'm not going to dress
- 20:24that up.
- 20:25"We listed the house," Jenna said very
- 20:28quietly. She was crying, but not the way
- 20:31she used to, not for my benefit.
- 20:34"The Pilot's roof rack is gone. The wine
- 20:37club cases, the furniture."
- 20:39"I picked up shifts at a dental office.
- 20:42Mom, we sat at the kitchen table last
- 20:44week with a spreadsheet, and I didn't
- 20:46know a single number, not one. You were
- 20:49right. I couldn't tell where your life
- 20:51ended and ours began, either."
- 20:54Brandon pulled a damp envelope from his
- 20:56back pocket and held it out.
- 20:59"It's a check for $4,200.
- 21:03That's the deposit you lost.
- 21:05It's from what we sold, and there's a
- 21:07repayment schedule inside for the
- 21:09mortgage payments every month from your
- 21:11account.
- 21:13It's signed. It'll take us years. We'd
- 21:16like to do it anyway."
- 21:18I took the envelope. I did not open it
- 21:21there.
- 21:22"And your mother?"
- 21:23His jaw worked. "She isn't speaking to
- 21:26me. She told me she'd been used as a
- 21:28prop. She's right about that, too."
- 21:31"She is," I said. "Call her, not to
- 21:34explain, to apologize."
- 21:36He nodded.
- 21:37Rain ran off the box truck's roof line
- 21:39in a steady sheet. Jenna took a step
- 21:42toward me, then stopped as if she'd
- 21:45learned to ask first.
- 21:47"May I hug you?" she said.
- 21:49I hadn't expected that question, and it
- 21:52undid something in me. "Yes," I said,
- 21:55and she did, wet lamp towel and all, and
- 21:59I held my daughter in the rain for a
- 22:00long moment.
- 22:02Then I let go, handed her the umbrella,
- 22:05and told her to put it over Nora.
- 22:07I walked back to my car without looking
- 22:09over my shoulder. It was the hardest
- 22:11thing I did all year, and the cleanest.
- 22:15The check cleared on Monday.
- 22:17Over the next weeks, Jenna called on
- 22:20Sunday mornings, no Brandon in the
- 22:22background and no request in her voice.
- 22:25I told her I loved her and wanted her
- 22:28and the kids in my life and that it
- 22:30would look different now.
- 22:32She said, "Okay." And for the first
- 22:34time, it sounded like she meant it. We
- 22:37aren't all the way back, but I'm not
- 22:39interested in a relationship that
- 22:41depends on my compliance.
- 22:44I should never have been.
- 22:46I sat down with a fee-only financial
- 22:48planner named Andrea who spent 2 hours
- 22:52with me and pile of statements and told
- 22:55me gently that I'd given away roughly
- 22:57$48,000 a year
- 23:00without ever deciding to. We set up a
- 23:02small, clear annual gift to each
- 23:05grandchild's college account in their
- 23:07names and nothing else. No more
- 23:10emergencies. No more auto pay.
- 23:13Then, I took the refund and booked a
- 23:15different trip.
- 23:172 months after that October morning in
- 23:19my closet, I flew to Lisbon,
- 23:21took a train to a small town called Tui
- 23:24on the Spanish border,
- 23:26and began walking the last 100 km of the
- 23:29Camino de Santiago. The trail is marked
- 23:32with yellow arrows painted on garden
- 23:35walls and fence posts and the sides of
- 23:38old stone churches.
- 23:40I wore the wool socks I'd bought for
- 23:42Alaska. On the fifth morning, I came
- 23:44over the hill above Santiago de
- 23:47Compostela just as the cathedral bells
- 23:49rang the hour.
- 23:51And I thought about Carl who should have
- 23:54been right beside me and would have
- 23:55known exactly what to say at the top of
- 23:58that hill.
- 23:59Then, I walked down.
- 24:02That night, I had caldo gallego at a
- 24:04small place near the old square with a
- 24:07glass of rough local red. And I watched
- 24:10the pilgrims go by with the stunned
- 24:12faces of people who have just finished
- 24:14something hard.
- 24:16I slept so deeply that when I woke, I
- 24:19had to check my phone to remember what
- 24:21country I was in.
- 24:23It's a good thing to know exactly where
- 24:25you are at 63 at the start of whatever
- 24:29comes next.
- 24:31Now, I'd like to hear from you.
- 24:33Have you ever had to say no to someone
- 24:35you love? And did it change your
- 24:37relationship for the better or the
- 24:39worse?
- 24:40Tell me
- 24:41in the comments.
- 24:43I read everyone.
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