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0:01Barbie and Barbuda.
0:02>> Sometimes shutting up is the best
0:04answer. And I say this with full irony,
0:07just ironically as someone who posts
0:09hours and hours of footage every week of
0:11herself yapping to no end. But sometimes
0:13yes, the answer is being quiet. The
0:15answer is no answer. The answer is in
0:17staying silent. It's probably the reason
0:20why so many defense attorneys spend a
0:22great deal of energy convincing their
0:24client of everything that they could
0:25mess up if they testify on the stand at
0:27their own trial. A lot of defense
0:30attorneys believe that how the person
0:32comes across to the jury is arguably way
0:35more important than what they actually
0:37testify to. Which is why more often than
0:39not, it's not worth it in most cases for
0:42clients to testify. [music]
0:43I mean, I guess it's just a thing humans
0:45do. You would think that no, when you're
0:47on the jury for a major case, you want
0:49to make sure that you're just listening
0:50to the judge. But once someone involved
0:53starts yapping, it becomes less about
0:55the facts and more about do I like this
0:57person? Do they seem trustworthy? I
0:59don't know if they do. In 17-year-old
1:02Mackenzie Shirilla's case, she does not
1:04testify. July 31st, 2022, 17-year-old
1:08Mackenzie crashes a car going nearly 100
1:10mph straight into a brick building. Her
1:13boyfriend Dom in the front passenger
1:14seat is killed. Their friend Davion in
1:16the back seat is killed. And the only
1:18survivor is Mackenzie. And she is now a
1:21convicted murder. She didn't testify
1:24during her murder trial. Although I will
1:26say it wasn't a jury trial. She opted
1:27for a bench trial, meaning it's the
1:28judge that's going to be determining if
1:30her testimony is trustworthy. But even
1:33after being convicted, Mackenzie and her
1:35parents do not believe she's a murder.
1:37They think that this is an accident. All
1:40three of them, Mackenzie and her
1:41parents, Natalie and Steve, they sit
1:43down with Netflix for the very viral
1:45documentary The Crash. They try to
1:47explain their side, and the reaction is
1:50probably not what they were hoping for.
1:52The reaction that they received to this
1:54whole thing of yapping on Netflix ranges
1:57anywhere from oh my god, I hate the dad.
2:00What's wrong with his shirt? All the way
2:02to people spreading rumors that they
2:03think Mackenzie and her dad have an
2:05inappropriate relationship that was
2:06happening in odd hours of the night.
2:08Steve Shirilla, the dad, even gets
2:10placed on leave from his job. He's an
2:12art teacher at a Catholic school because
2:14of the comments that he makes on the
2:17Netflix documentary. And one might think
2:20that it would probably be in everyone's
2:22best interest for Natalie and Steve to
2:25let things quiet down after this Netflix
2:27documentary goes live. After Steve loses
2:29his job because maybe just shut up for a
2:31second, right? But no, they do not. They
2:34want to keep quote clearing the air.
2:36They want to keep sharing their side of
2:38things and every time they open their
2:39mouths, it feels like they're just
2:41making it worse.
2:42Since the release of the Netflix
2:43documentary, Steve Shirilla has done a
2:45few sit-down interviews and it's just
2:49the point that he's trying to make
2:51doesn't feel like it's being made on a
2:53large scale. People just seem to hate
2:55him more. Steve passionately rants in a
2:58more recent interview, "There was no
3:00evidence to support the charges. There's
3:03not. There was not. The prosecution came
3:06up with that, she's a danger to society,
3:08blah, blah, blah, and there was no proof
3:10of that. You know, they said she has no
3:12remorse. They never spoke to her." Which
3:15I mean, I guess sure, but one could also
3:17argue that taking photos and videos
3:18getting high in her car likely driving,
3:20that's very dangerous to society
3:21considering she also just did kill
3:23people in a car crash. And as for the no
3:25remorse, she did go to a Kid Cudi
3:27concert in a wheelchair and dressed up
3:29for Halloween and went out in a ripped
3:31corset outfit with corpse-like makeup.
3:33So, I don't know if they necessarily
3:34have to talk to her to gather in their
3:37opinion that she has no remorse.
3:39But Chris Cuomo, who is the one
3:41interviewing Steve, tries to ask him
3:43about you know, I mean, maybe the no
3:45remorse part comes from all the DMs and
3:47like the social media posts. Like what
3:49what about that? Steve goes from being
3:52very loud, very aggressive, to a little
3:54bit softer. That was something that was
3:57involved prior. Cuz you remember she was
3:59like talking to the modeling agency?
4:01>> Mhm.
4:02>> It's like but that was something that
4:03was involved prior. Some of that is
4:05taken out of context, is blown out of
4:08proportion. What is she supposed to dig
4:10a hole and just hide in the hole for the
4:11rest of her life after this? Chris Cuomo
4:13fights back. Well, no, no, but it was
4:15right after. Well, what does that mean?
4:18What does that mean? So, now she's not
4:19allowed to live? She's lucky to be
4:21alive.
4:22She says Mackenzie still doesn't
4:23remember what happened in that [music]
4:25car crash. He says she does not
4:27remember. That has been her story from
4:29day one. There's no memory of it. And
4:31I'm telling you I know my daughter does
4:33not like pain. She would never ever hurt
4:35herself intentionally. I know my
4:37daughter. I've known that kid all her
4:38life. I know when my daughter lies. I
4:40just know my daughter.
4:42People don't really see that as a
4:44spectacular defense. He just seems to
4:45think it is. How can you know your
4:47daughter when he himself admits that he
4:49didn't know about the driving and
4:50smoking weed videos and photos? So, like
4:52how well do you really know your
4:53daughter?
4:54>> Mhm.
4:54>> As for what happened in the car, he
4:55says, "I'm not saying pot is the reason
4:58for it. I'm not saying the car had an
5:00issue. I'm not saying the boys did
5:02anything. I don't know. I have no idea
5:04what happened in that car. And if I
5:05don't have any idea, nobody does."
5:08>> Okay. I feel like we all have an idea
5:10why she turned out the way she did.
5:13>> But he doesn't.
5:14>> interview.
5:15>> And he says the analogy about how
5:17Mackenzie was found guilty. And he's
5:19saying this all after the fact. He's
5:21saying the analogy is the wife dies, the
5:23husband did it. That's it. That's the
5:26analogy that's going on here. There's no
5:27evidence of why it happened. There's no
5:29evidence of why. There will never be any
5:31evidence of why. And that's the point
5:33that needs to be taken here. The black
5:35box information is is about the car. I
5:37can't I can't explain the acceleration.
5:40I can't explain why the pedal was down.
5:42Could it have been the slipper stuck on
5:43the pedal?
5:44That they refuted. Could it have been
5:46the car? Uh yeah, it's just as likely as
5:49she did it on purpose and there's no
5:51evidence of purpose. And speeding is not
5:54a precursor to murder. It's not I'm
5:56sorry, it's recklessness, it's reckless.
5:58That's why it should have been vehicular
5:59homicide in juvenile court. He says, "If
6:02it's just the black box information that
6:04made his daughter guilty in the court of
6:06law, then quote, the black box
6:07information, then the car did this. The
6:10car did it. Put the car in jail."
6:12>> If they it's you got the car did this,
6:14the car did it, put the car in jail.
6:15>> We have no evidence of why. And you
6:17can't just say, "Well, the science says
6:20she was going fast, so that's intent."
6:22That is absolutely ass.
6:24>> There seems to be a very interesting
6:26explanation for just about everything
6:28that people have been pointing out on
6:29the internet. People are saying that
6:31Mckenzie was a bully in school. I mean,
6:32there are multiple school reports in the
6:34foyer requests that don't necessarily
6:36depict Mckenzie in a great light. One
6:38teacher literally told administration
6:40that she couldn't handle being verbally
6:42assaulted by Mckenzie anymore. And
6:44Steve's reaction is, "Well, I can't
6:46explain it. Look, was she an angel? No.
6:49Did she have a problem with authority?
6:51Sometimes. I believe when she felt she
6:54was being unjustly treated, she stuck up
6:56for herself. That's the simple fact."
6:58They say that the trial was unfair and
7:00they think that Mckenzie's lawyer did
7:01not represent her fairly and they at the
7:03time didn't know any better. Steve says,
7:06"You know, are we bad parents? No. Are
7:08we uninformed parents of a child that
7:11was on trial for murder? Yeah." As for
7:13his parenting and how Mckenzie grew up,
7:15he says, "There was not a problem with
7:16her until this accident." And how it got
7:18blown out of proportion and how
7:20everything now is so blown out of
7:21proportion. Steve starts rambling more
7:24or less about whether or not Dom's mom
7:26knew the judge and if they had any sort
7:27of working relationship, which I will
7:30say the judge and Dom's mom and Dom
7:32himself, they all share the same last
7:34name, Russo, but it's not a particularly
7:36unique last name and they are not
7:38related. But when Steve is asked whether
7:41or not he has proof that there's some
7:42sort of fix going on in court because he
7:45keeps alluding to some sort of fix that
7:47must have happened. Steve says, I have
7:49as much proof that it's a fix and that
7:51the judge is dirty or incompetent as
7:54they do that my daughter did this on
7:56purpose. All I have to do is say it. So
7:59it's true, right? That's what the
8:01prosecution did. Steve ultimately
8:04believes, quote, I'm sorry. No lawyer,
8:07no person is ever going to make me
8:09believe that my daughter did this on
8:10purpose.
8:11And that's probably like the only
8:13statement of his that I truly believe.
8:15>> What do you mean?
8:16>> No one's going to convince him that his
8:18daughter did this on purpose. But the
8:20two parts of his most recent interviews
8:22that have been going viral is there's
8:24this one part in the interview where
8:25he's talking to Chris Cuomo and he's
8:27just talking about how he thinks that
8:28the judge is biased and he's just
8:31throwing all these allegations out
8:33there. And there's this very light airy
8:35voice coming from the side cuz this is a
8:37video zoom recording, like a zoom
8:39interview. And it's like, I'm a boss
8:41baby that can dance like a man. I can
8:43shake and I'm fancy. I can shake my can.
8:46>> What the
8:47>> baby that can dance like a man. I can
8:49shake and I'm fancy. I can shake my can.
8:51>> Yes, that's all right.
8:52>> And it's like the most uncomfortable,
8:56weird, bizarre. Chris Cuomo looks stern
8:59and he asks, what is that? It's my
9:02phone. It's a phone ring. That's your
9:04ringtone? It's for a friend of mine. So
9:07the ringtone is from a show called
9:09Adventure Time. It's like a cartoon and
9:11it I mean, there's nothing nefarious
9:13about it, but it just adds to the
9:15weirdness of like I've seen a lot of
9:16memes online now where they just say the
9:18whole family jail. The whole family
9:20jail. They just don't get good vibes.
9:23>> Is it a children's thing or children's
9:25cartoon?
9:25>> an adult cartoon if I'm not mistaken.
9:28But I think the choice of that in a
9:29ringtone is very bizarre.
9:31>> Exactly.
9:32>> At that age.
9:33>> Yeah.
9:33>> This whole interview is probably the
9:35reason why defense attorneys, not that
9:37Steve needs a defense attorney, that's
9:39not what I'm saying, but a loose example
9:41of probably why defense attorneys don't
9:43necessarily think involved parties
9:45speaking for themselves is ever helpful
9:47in any situation. The whole interview is
9:49a dumpster fire. Steve starts running
9:51through hypotheticals. He's like, "What
9:53if we can prove that her POTS caused her
9:55to pass out and she seized and it caused
9:57the accident." Which like there's
9:59already so much wrong with that
10:00statement because typically when you
10:01pass out from POTS, typically it's not a
10:03seizure. You don't seize. You pass out,
10:05you go limp.
10:06>> Mhm.
10:06>> Chris Cuomo, who was an attorney before
10:08he is like a journalist, newscaster,
10:11right? But he quickly responds, "Then it
10:13would be an accident." "What if we can
10:15prove that either one boy or the other
10:17boy did something in the car that caused
10:18the accident? Then she would not have
10:20the intent and maybe not the act to
10:21trigger a charge." "What if we could
10:23prove the car malfunctioned? Then it was
10:25an accident and maybe there's a case
10:26against the manufacturer." It just seems
10:28like every single point Steve tries to
10:31make, nothing really comes of it. It
10:33just feels a lot like angry ranting.
10:36He'll say some crazy things like, "Just
10:38because you don't like my daughter
10:39doesn't mean she's guilty of murder.
10:41Just because you don't like what you see
10:43on the internet about my daughter
10:44doesn't mean it's murder. That's
10:47speculation. That is reckless
10:48speculation on anybody's part."
10:50>> Just because you don't like my daughter
10:52doesn't mean she's guilty of murder.
10:55>> And I tend to agree with that. Like
10:56technically the points he's making make
10:58sense. Just because you don't like
10:59somebody doesn't mean they're guilty of
11:00murder. But it's the fact that your
11:02daughter McKenzie is convicted of murder
11:04that makes her guilty of murder. She is
11:06guilty of murder. That is a statement of
11:08fact in the court of law. She has been
11:09found guilty. That is not speculation.
11:11That's not even reckless speculation.
11:13It's literally a matter of public
11:15record. Otherwise, you could have a
11:17field day suing everyone for defamation.
11:19Chris Cuomo goes to ask about McKenzie
11:22and Dom's volatile relationship. And I
11:24think this is the point in the interview
11:26where I realized there's no coming back
11:28for this person. Like there is nothing
11:30that he can say, I think, would convince
11:33me or maybe people who feel like me to
11:36even open their minds to the idea that
11:39Steve might be on to something because
11:41he's just so far off the pulse. There's
11:44this moment where Chris Cuomo brings up
11:46the relationship and Steve ducks his
11:48head and he starts laughing cuz Chris
11:50Cuomo categorizes Dom and McKenzie's
11:52relationship as volatile. Steve starts
11:55laughing. That's a lie. And I cut you
11:57off. Sorry. That is a lie.
11:59>> That's a lie.
12:00That's a lie. That's a lie. I'm going TO
12:01CUT YOU OFF. SORRY. I got to cut you
12:02off. That's a lie.
12:03>> That's a lie. Volatile is not the right
12:06word. That is harsh. These kids fought
12:08and they broke up and they got back
12:10together. That was their MO. They
12:11weren't fighting. This wasn't a volatile
12:13relationship. They were never going to
12:15break up. They were talking about
12:17getting married. They were talking about
12:19a life. They were buying furniture for
12:21that house. They were making a life for
12:23themselves. Period. That's it. They were
12:25not breaking up. And anyone who says
12:27that, sorry, that is untrue. That is a
12:29lie. And that is a narrative that the
12:31prosecution needed to go to put my
12:34daughter in a bad light to make it seem
12:35like she had a thing against this kid.
12:38He claims they absolutely were not going
12:41to break up. They did not have a
12:43volatile relationship. But is that
12:45really true? We went through the entire
12:47FOIA and there are never-ending fights
12:50[music] between McKenzie and Dom.
12:51McKenzie threatening to break open the
12:53front door to be let into his house,
12:54refusing to leave him alone, and a
12:56reoccurring fight between the two where
12:58Dom accuses her of engaging in sex work.
13:02Did Steve Shirilla know all of that and
13:04still categorizes their relationship as
13:06not volatile? Or does he genuinely think
13:09that that is not a volatile
13:10relationship? Or is he in denial? This
13:13is part three of the McKenzie Shirilla
13:15case.
13:22>> [music]
13:26[music]
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14:04support. As always, full show notes are
14:06available at rottenmangopodcast.com.
14:08Today's case involves mentions of
14:09illicit drug usage, reckless driving,
14:11driving while intoxicated, self-exit,
14:13and possible domestic violence and sex
14:16work. We did pull the FOIA for this case
14:19and literally went through tens of
14:20thousands of pages of text messages,
14:22detective incident reports, autopsy
14:24reports, and more. So, naturally, quotes
14:26and statements may be condensed for
14:27brevity. Secondly, there is a list of
14:29discourse surrounding the case from
14:30loved ones involved all the way to
14:32unrelated netizen audiences. So, to in
14:35order to explain the entirety of the
14:37case, we're going to go over all of
14:39those, but just keep in mind throughout
14:41that any opinions, comments, or
14:42speculations made by netizens do not
14:44represent our own. And this is part
14:46three of a five-part series. In the
14:48first part, we went over the crash
14:50itself and generally what people
14:51believed happened that night. In part
14:53two, we broke down the Netflix
14:54documentary as well as we actually
14:56interviewed Rosie and Bubba, two of the
14:57more controversial individuals in the
14:59documentary. We asked them all the
15:01questions social media had. In this
15:02part, we're going to be breaking down
15:04all the relationships as well as
15:05covering internet rumors, conspiracy
15:07theories that people have about
15:08Mackenzie's relationship with her
15:09parents, and whether or not people
15:11believe they [music] played some sort of
15:13indirect role in all of this. In part
15:16four, and I might switch this with part
15:17five, but in part four, we'll probably
15:19be breaking down the entire 31,000 page
15:21document of text messages between
15:23McKenzie and Dom. And in part five,
15:25we're going to cover the jail calls, the
15:26alleged prison girlfriends, the trial,
15:28and the appeal, and where we're at. So,
15:30with that being said, let's get started.
15:33I've watched a lot of documentaries
15:34where police will talk about how they're
15:36tasked with death notifications for
15:38loved ones, and they always describe it
15:40in a very similar, yet very specific
15:42way. That the family members let out
15:44what sounds like a guttural scream. Some
15:47people have even described it as almost
15:48sounding animalistic. It's not just this
15:50like, "Oh, I'm so scared. Oh, I'm so
15:52shocked I let out a scream." They say it
15:54feels primal. It's almost like the
15:56scream is being ripped out of them.
15:57Steve Shirilla says in an interview,
15:59[music] "If you would have heard her."
16:01He's talking about his daughter. So,
16:02he's saying, "When we told McKenzie that
16:04Dom, her boyfriend, is dead, quote, 'If
16:06you would have heard her when she found
16:08out that Dom died, if you would have
16:10heard the sound that came out of her, it
16:12would have crushed you.'"
16:13>> When she found out that Dom died, if you
16:15would have heard the sound that came out
16:16of her, it would have crushed you.
16:17>> Natalie describes how McKenzie found
16:19out. You know, she says, "In the night,
16:21McKenzie says, 'Where's Dom?'" And this
16:23is when they're in the hospital. "I had
16:24to tell her, I had to tell her that it
16:25was him, that he didn't make it. And so,
16:27she screamed, and I said, 'I'm so
16:29sorry.' She goes, 'No, it's not him.
16:31It's not him. Please go check. Go
16:32check.' And I said, 'McKenzie, it's him,
16:34because if it wasn't him, he'd be
16:36here.'" Steve says, "That was
16:39devastating to hear her. The sound, I
16:40mean, it was gut-wrenching." Natalie
16:42says right after, she was asking, "Well,
16:44what about Davion? Is he okay?" And I
16:46had to say, "No, he didn't make it,
16:47either." And she was like, "Oh God." I
16:49just thought that this was such an
16:51unfortunate interview. I get that
16:53McKenzie was dating Dom and was friends
16:54with Davion. So, I'm not discounting
16:56that this didn't happen. Like, I'm
16:58saying, this probably did happen, or
17:00that these emotions were not genuine.
17:02But when her parents describe her
17:03finding out, it's not really
17:05sympathy-inducing. Because, yes, she can
17:07be upset and be sad, but ultimately,
17:10she's the one that caused their deaths.
17:12So, it's like you can have this
17:13experience, but maybe like don't share
17:15it with the the And I didn't even want
17:17to show this footage, but I've seen it
17:18circulating now, and every time I watch
17:20it, I think about how Mackenzie's
17:21parents were describing her reaction,
17:23and it's just unfortunate. Because this
17:25footage, we finally hear what the police
17:27in the documentaries are talking about
17:29when they talk about doing these death
17:30notifications and how they're the most
17:32painful thing to do. When Dom's mom is
17:34told that Dom didn't make it, there are
17:37two cops, so they go to her house, and
17:39they have to inform her.
17:41>> There was an incident uh that we believe
17:43Dominic may be involved.
17:45>> What?
17:45>> Is is
17:47Do you When was the last time you saw
17:48him?
17:49>> Last night.
17:50>> Last night?
17:51>> Yeah, everybody was home. Why?
17:52>> Okay.
17:53>> What happened?
17:53>> There's two cops that are squatting down
17:55on their knees next to her. She's
17:56sitting outside on this chair on her
17:58front porch, and they're sitting down
18:00next to her, and they're just telling
18:01her, "Just stay seated, please. Take
18:03your time. Take a deep breath." And
18:05she's screaming, and they have to try to
18:06calm her down, and she keeps screaming,
18:08"Oh my god, no, he can't be. He can't
18:10be. What did she do?"
18:12>> Both Davion
18:13and Dominic are deceased.
18:15>> Oh my god!
18:15>> Please, please, please.
18:16>> Oh my god!
18:18>> Sit down.
18:19>> Oh my god!
18:19>> No, no, no, PLEASE SIT DOWN. PLEASE SIT
18:20DOWN.
18:21>> OH MY GOD!
18:23>> [screaming]
18:24>> CHRIS IS GOING TO COME OUTSIDE.
18:28THAT'S OKAY. CHRISTINE, CHRISTINE.
18:30>> YES, just take a deep breath. It's okay.
18:35>> Oh my god!
18:35>> No, no, no, just breathe, everything's
18:37>> The scream, it's almost like she doesn't
18:39really know entirely what to do with her
18:41body as she's screaming. She almost
18:44reflexively jumps out of the chair, but
18:47she doesn't necessarily have anywhere to
18:49go. It almost feels like as a mom, maybe
18:51she's trying to go help, go do
18:53something, save her child, but there's
18:55nowhere to go. There's no [music] one to
18:57be saved right now. I think I was just
18:59getting very upset because I kept
19:01remembering what Mackenzie's parents
19:03were saying about her when she found out
19:04about Dom's death, and I was like crying
19:06when I was watching Dom's mom's death
19:09notification body cam footage that was
19:11in the FOIA
19:12It's just like eventually when they
19:14think that she's calm enough, they go
19:15inside her house with her, the police
19:17do. But she's just she's like pacing
19:19around her living room screaming, "It
19:22can't be true. It can't be true." It's
19:23like she can't sit still, but she also
19:26she's like in shock, she's in denial. It
19:28seems like there are multiple points
19:30throughout that the officers they either
19:32seem like either they know they need to
19:33let her go through these emotions or
19:35they almost like don't know what to say
19:37to bring her any comfort. But Dom's mom
19:39starts asking, "What happened in the
19:40car? What happened in the car? I didn't
19:42want her driving anyway. I don't like
19:44her driving. Oh my god. And that
19:46other kid, I don't even know him. I
19:48don't even know him."
19:50>> God and that other kid, I don't even
19:52know him.
19:53>> So she's talking about Davion and it
19:55seems like she's getting hit with the
19:56impact that not only is her son gone,
19:58but another life like another child is
20:00gone. [music] Because later she's
20:01outside and she's crying, "Oh, that
20:03other little kid. He's younger, I think.
20:05That little kid, it can't be."
20:08>> Oh, that other little kid. He's younger,
20:10I think. That little kid.
20:12>> She asked the police, "Why couldn't they
20:13save him?" The officers have nothing to
20:15say. They can't even respond.
20:17>> [music]
20:17>> She explains, "I was making buffalo
20:19chicken dip. They said that they had
20:20some party to go to and they were going
20:22to [music] be back to eat the dip. I was
20:23making the dip." Dom's mom will later
20:25tell the judge that when she found out
20:27that Dom and Davion were gone, she
20:29[music] says, "I called McKenzie's
20:31mother hysterical with the loss of my
20:33son and Davion. I knew McKenzie was in
20:35the hospital and the first [music]
20:36statement, Natalie, McKenzie's mom, said
20:39to me was, 'Oh, please don't listen to
20:41what everyone's saying on Facebook.'"
20:43Yeah, my son is dead. His friend is dead
20:46and I'm checking on yours, but social
20:48media is what's important? Social media
20:50after the crash in Strongsville, Ohio
20:52has been a literal hellhole. People who
20:54know McKenzie are posting things about
20:56her, against her, in support of her, and
20:58a lot of the posts are just questionable
20:59and weird at best. For example, one of
21:01McKenzie's friends decides that she's
21:03going to post McKenzie on Snapchat. And
21:05it is a picture of McKenzie in the
21:07driver seat of her car holding a giant
21:09blunt. I mean, it doesn't look like
21:10she's in motion, but she's in the driver
21:12seat holding a giant blunt. This is an
21:14absolutely completely sane picture to
21:17choose considering the circumstances,
21:19okay? And this friend writes in the
21:20caption, "Happy birthday Kenzie
21:22Shirilla. You're in everyone's thoughts
21:24and prayers, beautiful girl. Nobody
21:26involved deserved this whatsoever. And
21:28to the people talking down on her as if
21:30any of you haven't said some you
21:31probably shouldn't have. Respectfully,
21:33right off." Just because y'all had
21:36beef don't give you the right to speak
21:37about her when she's fighting for her
21:38life right now. She was the sweetest to
21:41the people she cared about and loved,
21:42always greeting everyone with a smile
21:44and a hello. I'll never forget chopping
21:46it up with you in gym class hitting our
21:47pens. Happy birthday, gorgeous. You're
21:50going to get through this." Which I'm
21:51not saying that you can't form a real
21:52friendship over a smoking weed together
21:54in gym class, but like that's your
21:55fondest memory of McKenzie and you're
21:57ready to defend her with such a picture
21:59and such a passion. It's so odd to me.
22:00Meanwhile, McKenzie is DMing Rosie, the
22:03friend that we interviewed for the last
22:05episode. This is after the crash. This
22:07is like a few days after the crash. Did
22:09you get the new Skims? I got this cute
22:11>> Skims?
22:11>> Yeah, Skims. Like the
22:13>> The dress?
22:13>> Like the loungewear. I got this cute
22:16set, soft lounge. Rosie responds, "Oh my
22:18god, no. I need to order more. I need
22:20the leggings. Show me when you can, the
22:21new ones." This is 20 days after the
22:24crash. McKenzie is just saying, "I got
22:26it in pink, too. Literally, we need to
22:27become the Skims duo." What is
22:29happening?
22:30>> Crazy.
22:30>> What is happening? The police even agree
22:32with Dom's mom because Dom's mom is
22:33later telling the police like, "When I
22:35first called Natalie, she's talking
22:36about Facebook and I wanted to punch her
22:38in the face." The police agree. And one
22:40officer tells her, "You know, we went
22:41there to the hospital and her biggest
22:43concern was what the people are posting
22:45on the Strongsville page on Facebook and
22:47can we intervene?" And that was her
22:49biggest concern when we walked in.
22:51>> First thing that she said to me when I
22:52called I was hysterical after finding
22:54out and she says, "Oh, are you calling
22:56about Facebook?" If I could have punched
22:58her and chucked
22:59>> We went there and her biggest concern
23:01was what people are posting on the
23:03Strongsville page and can we intervene
23:05and that was her biggest concern.
23:07>> Even in the first hospital visit, one of
23:08the officer notes in his report, quote,
23:11"Natalie expressed concern about the
23:12public's reaction on social media.
23:14McKenzie was barely able to speak. She
23:16asked to see photos of her vehicle. I
23:17told her once she's discharged, we can
23:19arrange for her to see them." Then a few
23:21days later, Natalie calls the detective
23:23again reporting a couple of girls for
23:24saying, quote, "mean things to her
23:26daughter on social media." Although
23:27Natalie said her daughter was no longer
23:29on social media, she states that there
23:30are two girls bullying McKenzie. The
23:32report reads, "The second girl, whom she
23:34only identified as Jenna, reportedly
23:36blamed McKenzie for killing Dom on
23:37purpose." Natalie said McKenzie had
23:39screenshots of the messages. I asked her
23:41to email them to me and I would look
23:42into it. I further explained to Natalie
23:44that unless the speech was threatening
23:46in nature, I will not be able to control
23:48what people say about the events.
23:49Natalie never emailed me the
23:51screenshots. Even later when police are
23:53giving McKenzie her phone back, the
23:54officers are just saying like they're
23:55still investigating. To which Steve, the
23:58dad, butts in, "What are people coming
24:00in and saying?" He's asking like what
24:01are people reporting to you? The cops
24:03naturally tell him, "I cannot tell you
24:05that. That's the investigation." To
24:07which Natalie, I don't know who made her
24:08the police chief, she says, "Well, it
24:10doesn't matter if it has nothing to do
24:11with the crash." The officer explains,
24:13"Well, we don't know. We have to put
24:15everything together." And I can see why
24:17people think that all Natalie and Steve
24:19care about are what people are saying
24:20about their daughter rather than what
24:22she did that caused those two boys to
24:23lose their lives. Another report from
24:25the hospital record reads, "Patient
24:27continues statements of depression and
24:29quote, 'Why did this happen to me?' Mom
24:31and Dad both acknowledge her feelings
24:33and assist with making patient feel
24:34better." And it just feels like it takes
24:37a very special person to be talking
24:39about Skims 20 days after a fatal crash
24:41where two people died and you were the
24:42driver, but still wonder why why did
24:45this happen to me? It's all so weird.
24:47Like how do you even get to that point?
24:49A lot of people think it's the parents.
24:51And I have seen people online and maybe
24:54it's based off looks or maybe it's based
24:55off the fact that two of them have
24:57really viral Netflix documentaries where
24:59they're both interviewed or the fact
25:00that they're both moms, who knows? But,
25:02a lot of people have been I've seen
25:04compare Natalie to Kendra. Remember the
25:06mom who was texting and bullying her own
25:08daughter for years and then Yeah, to
25:10Kendra. That Kendra was comforting her
25:13daughter while also being the one that
25:14was anonymously cyber harassing her.
25:17Kendra, that Kendra. Some netizens point
25:19out that both Kendra and Natalie have
25:21this very weird feeling that they give
25:23people where it just feels like they
25:25want to be friends with their daughters.
25:26They don't want to be moms, they want to
25:27be in high school and they want to be
25:29friends with all the friends.
25:30>> But, Kendra once was basically bullying
25:33the daughter the whole time.
25:34>> Yes.
25:35>> Natalie Shurella was more what?
25:37>> Enabling.
25:38>> Uh-huh. So, why what's the similarity
25:40exactly?
25:41>> I think the similarity lies in the fact
25:42that they both want to be their
25:43daughter's friends. Like, they both want
25:45to be in that age group. Not necessarily
25:47friends. Like, I know, you know, Kendra
25:49is bullying her daughter, so it may not
25:50seem like she wants to be friends with
25:51her daughter, but more so they're stuck
25:53in like this arrested development phase
25:56where they all act like high schoolers.
25:59So, instead of disciplining their
26:00daughter and being like, "No, you're not
26:02allowed to do that." They act like a
26:03high schooler themselves is what people
26:05are kind of connecting the dots. These
26:07are opinions online. These are not
26:09facts, it's just opinions. And it's the
26:11energy, I suppose. For example, there's
26:13this one incident where
26:15even when Okay, this is from the body
26:17cam and I don't know, maybe I'm being
26:18petty, maybe I'm being like hyper
26:20judgmental, but the officers inform
26:22Natalie and Steve Shurella that most
26:24likely I'm going to be on her past.
26:26They're in the hospital. So, McKenzie's
26:27being operated on and it is without a
26:29doubt an incredibly traumatic situation
26:31for them in their own perspectives. But,
26:34Natalie is asking for the officers that
26:36she might need a puke bucket. And this
26:38is like such a niche experience like
26:40that I'm connecting to this, okay? The
26:42officer goes to fetch one for her. And
26:44like the way she asked for a puke bucket
26:45almost seems casual. Like, she's like,
26:47"Oh my god, I'm going to throw up." It's
26:48not like, "No, I'm genuinely going to
26:49throw up."
26:50>> Puke bucket for you?
26:51You want a puke bucket? We can get you
26:53one.
26:59>> [clears throat]
27:00>> Where is my wife?
27:01>> So the officer is like, do you need a
27:02puke bucket? She confirms she needs a
27:04puke bucket. Officer goes to fetch one
27:07for her and says something along the
27:08lines of like, well you're in the best
27:10place to have one. AKA, you're in a
27:11hospital, we got a lot of puke buckets.
27:14She responds, that was a good joke.
27:16>> You're in the best place to have one.
27:18Thanks.
27:19That was a good joke.
27:21>> Okay. Do we need to like do we need to
27:23throw up well or do we need to convince
27:24the nurse to quit her job and pursue
27:25stand up? Like I just thought it was
27:27odd, right? But then she, in my personal
27:30humble opinion, and this might be like
27:31hyper judgmental because I have a lot of
27:33experience throwing up. Okay, I am
27:35someone who is super prone to nausea.
27:38Everything makes me nauseous. I have
27:40Zofran on the go at all times. She's not
27:42really sitting like someone who's about
27:44to throw up. She's sitting with her legs
27:47crossed in the chair and she's leaning
27:50back.
27:50>> When I have to throw up, I've met
27:52someone who's about to throw up. They're
27:53always forward and they have a puke
27:56bucket or some sort of container ready
27:57to go just in case or they're kind of
27:59hunched because when you extend your
28:01stomach, it always makes the nausea
28:03worse. That's why people go into like a
28:04fetal position when they're throwing up
28:06all night from drinking or whatever it
28:08may be, right? And she's leaning back.
28:10She hasn't even touched the puke bucket.
28:12She just places it on the chair next to
28:14her.
28:14>> So she doesn't look like she's about to
28:15throw up.
28:16>> Yeah, and like none of this really means
28:18anything, but I just thought it was
28:20weird because you're in a highly tense
28:22emotional situation. The last thing I
28:24would do is like go through this whole
28:26dramatic back and forth with multiple
28:28parties of getting a puke bucket if I
28:30genuinely was not on the verge of
28:32throwing up. It just feels like a really
28:34weird intricate song and dance involving
28:37multiple parties of grabbing this puke
28:39bucket and doing a lot when you are in
28:42this heightened emotional state. Like if
28:43I were in this situation, I just could
28:45not foresee myself asking for any sort
28:48of puke canister, bucket, bag unless I
28:51was literally on the verge of throwing
28:53up on the floors. And even then, I think
28:55I would try to hold it in until I could
28:57no longer. None of this, again, means
28:59anything, but I guess it's the whole
29:00energy that Natalie gives off is a
29:02little bit strange. And maybe I am being
29:03harsh. I just thought it was a little
29:05dramatic. She also Natalie does this
29:07thing where she makes custom balaclavas
29:09that McKenzie will wear. So, like the
29:11kind of they look like rave balaclavas.
29:13Like you you know with the bunny ears,
29:15like a ski mask with the face cut off,
29:17and then with the bunny ears, and then
29:18you wear them with like bikinis to the
29:20raves.
29:21>> Okay. She hand makes them?
29:22>> Yeah, she I guess she hand makes them,
29:24and McKenzie will wear them, and
29:26sometimes I guess she sells them cuz I
29:28see a lot of Instagram DMs where she's
29:29trying to sell them. And McKenzie will
29:31tell people like, "My mom custom makes
29:33them. Her at is this. You can DM her,
29:35and I think she's only going to charge
29:37you $20, but if you live far, she'll
29:38have to add $5 shipping, but it
29:40shouldn't take long, probably a week."
29:41And again, I don't have children. But if
29:43my 17-year-old daughter were posting
29:45these types of videos wearing the
29:46balaclavas that I made, and wearing
29:47these types of clothes, and filming
29:49herself smoking weed, I feel like I
29:50would have to ground her for half a
29:51century. It's just like not hard to feel
29:54that McKenzie's priorities are all
29:55screwed up, and it feels like maybe even
29:57Natalie's are. Even when the officers
29:59are giving McKenzie her phone back,
30:01Natalie, the mom, clarifies with the
30:03officers. And this is in the hospital,
30:04and this is in the hospital report, the
30:06officer report. "You had search
30:07activity, you downloaded the date,
30:09everything, you know, now nobody's
30:10looking at it."
30:11>> You wouldn't be able to explain what we
30:12>> So, Natalie is asking the officer, like,
30:14"You got the search activity, you
30:15downloaded the date, like everything,
30:17now nobody's looking at it. Like, no
30:18one's going to look at her stuff. Like,
30:20her phone is private now."
30:21>> Uh-huh.
30:22>> And the officer is like, "We mirrored
30:23the phone, we're going to look through
30:24the phone." Right, but everything she
30:25does now, now she's on her own. So,
30:28they're like, "Yeah, now she's on her
30:29own. Like, we're not going to we don't
30:30have like a tracker on her phone. We're
30:32not watching in real time what she's
30:34doing on her phone." And it's just
30:36interesting that Natalie is so gung-ho
30:37about that. Later she asks again, "So,
30:40this, you know, this one does have total
30:42privacy again. Yeah, total privacy. From
30:44here on out, everything we're going to
30:46look at we have already obtained through
30:48a search warrants for, you know,
30:49everything including social media. And
30:51while they go over the copy of the
30:52search warrants, Mackenzie asks [music]
30:54the officer, "Are people going through
30:55my Snapchats, too? Like opening stuff?"
30:57Cuz she's got her phone back for [music]
30:58the first time in the hospital.
31:00>> Mhm.
31:00>> Uh we did not. We just mirrored your
31:02phone. So they're like, "We didn't go
31:03through your Snapchat, but like we
31:04mirrored your phone." Because I see like
31:06three of them open. The officer
31:08clarifies with Mackenzie, "We did not,
31:10but either way, even if we did, we have
31:12a search warrant. We're going to look
31:13through everything that's on your phone.
31:15So like maybe we didn't now, but we are
31:17going to." I'm not entirely sure why
31:19that's her biggest concern right now,
31:20but if she must know, we did receive
31:22four massive folders just containing her
31:24Snapchat data extracts, so
31:26>> Crazy.
31:26>> Yeah, they did go through your Snapchat,
31:28and so did we. We FOIA'd this case, and
31:31the Snapchat files the police gave us
31:32were extensive and ridiculously out of
31:35context. I'm just taking you on the
31:36journey that we went on in the multiple
31:39zip files of Snapchat evidence. We kept
31:41seeing, okay, like obviously we saw
31:43messages and like we saw her posting
31:45like random things on Snapchat, but we
31:47also saw there would be like random
31:48things out of context and we're just
31:50trying to like contextually piece it
31:51together. We see so many pictures of
31:53Mackenzie with a white wall behind her,
31:55almost like a passport photo. Like, why
31:57she Snapchating passport photos? It's so
31:59weird. Just variations of poses.
32:01Sometimes it's slightly pouty, less
32:03pouty, hair back, hair in front, one
32:05side of hair in front, one side of hair
32:07in back. I'm like, okay, is she getting
32:08a passport? And I don't know why we're
32:11like, we need to get to the bottom of
32:12this. We were like literally sitting
32:13around the dining table and I'm like,
32:14"Okay, team, we got to get to the bottom
32:16of this." No no reason, okay? But we
32:18just needed to know. We needed to see it
32:19through. And we think, based off the
32:21context clues, those are the photos that
32:23she's sending to fake ID websites to try
32:25and buy a fake ID online from.
32:27>> she just like screenshotted that right
32:29before, right?
32:30>> Yeah, so it's like fakeid.com, like
32:32something as ridiculous. It's the most
32:34fake fake ID website name that you could
32:36think of, and she has screenshots of her
32:38applying for fake IDs on those websites.
32:41She also screenshots pictures of her
32:42phone, of her like weird search history.
32:46Can you see a person's age using a debit
32:48card? Then she screenshots the answer
32:50from Quora, which reads, "None. In Nope,
32:53in the states there is nothing on your
32:54debit card to indicate your age. Your
32:56card lists your bank name, your name,
32:58and card's expiration date, and your
32:59debit card number tied to your bank
33:00account. That's it." She seemingly
33:02documents her search for the best senior
33:03quote of all time. She starts searching
33:05on Pinterest. The 100 most epic and
33:08funny senior quotes, Planet of Success.
33:10She clicks on that one. One of them
33:11reads, "See kids, I told you your mom
33:13was hot back in high school." Another
33:15reads, "I have to be successful because
33:17I like expensive things." Ultimately,
33:20and like you would have to tell me if
33:21you can confirm, if you have this
33:23yearbook, it seems she settles on this
33:26poetic masterpiece. "You can't get what
33:28you always want, but I certainly can." I
33:31don't know how that's
33:32>> What's that?
33:32>> Yeah. It's like the weirdest quote.
33:35Yeah. She also complains to her friends
33:37about Dom on Snapchat via audio notes
33:39that I think she thought disappears
33:41forever into the ether, goes into the
33:43intergalactic space, but like we have
33:45them. She sends this to a friend, "No,
33:47like he gets me flowers and stuff like
33:49that. I don't know though, but I have to
33:50be like, if you don't do this I'm
33:52breaking up with you. If you don't make
33:53it up to me we're done. Like you have
33:55until 6:00 today or we're done type
33:56Like that's like how it is. So it
33:59makes it like not special. He can never
34:01just like apologize on his own, make it
34:02up to me on his own."
34:03>> And I have to kind of like give him that
34:05like little Actually, no, a giant ass
34:07push. Like I have to shove him
34:08off a 60-foot diving
34:10board type
34:11>> Another audio message where McKenzie
34:13says, "I have told him a million times
34:15that I will be the perfect girlfriend."
34:16>> "Perfect girlfriend. I will clean. I
34:18will literally clean his house in a
34:19maid costume. All he has to do
34:21is be good and get me what I want and be
34:23good to me."
34:24>> That's how it is. He can't do that. Like
34:26it's a really not that hard to please
34:28me. Then another one.
34:29>> "Guys are pee brains. Like real
34:31they do not think big at all.
34:33>> She complains quite a bit. She also
34:35whines to another friend. So, she got
34:37into this modeling school and like by
34:38got in, her parents paid for it. Okay,
34:41that's pretty much it. She says, "Today
34:43was the worst class I have
34:44literally ever been in my whole goddamn
34:47life. Like I'm honestly starting to feel
34:49like this shit's a scam. Like I paid
34:51$4,000. I mean, my family did for me to
34:54go to this modeling school. I thought I
34:55would get placed immediately. But like
34:58dude, this shit's taking so long and
35:01we're like doing repetitive It
35:03just feels like cosmetology school all
35:05over again. Like I don't even know. They
35:07treat us like children, too.
35:09Like I don't even know how to
35:10describe this to you. I hate it.
35:13Every second of it. And this is going to
35:15sound even worse. I don't even know
35:17>> I don't even know like the fact that
35:19like some of those people even made it
35:20in. It's like it's shocking. It's
35:23shocking. Like y'all ugly as hell. Like
35:25how the are y'all in here? Like we
35:27need the supermodel looking
35:28Like there's like five girls who are hot
35:30in that class. Like and the rest are
35:31weird as
35:33>> Also, in her Snapchat folders, you know,
35:35she's filling out this medical exam and
35:37it asks her like most do, "Do you
35:39currently smoke or vape? Yes or no?" And
35:41there's a little box next to yes, little
35:43box next to no. Okay? She of course
35:46indicates yes, but instead of doing a
35:48check mark or an X or filling in the
35:50box, she does a heart around yes. And
35:53then takes a picture and sends it to
35:55somebody on Snapchat. I don't know
35:56because now we have it in the Snapchat
35:58file. So, yeah. McKenzie, the police
36:00went through your Snapchat history and
36:02so did we. So, kind of a dumb question
36:04to ask whether or not the police opened
36:07her Snapchat. But on the note of dumb
36:09questions, later at McKenzie asks the
36:11officers if they were all wearing body
36:13cameras. Which side note, this is before
36:16her arrest. So, it's possible that she
36:18thinks that they're just investigating
36:19and the case is going to be concluded
36:21with her getting her license suspended
36:22for like 10 years, which is what she
36:24asked them to do, right? But she asks if
36:26they're wearing body cams. They confirm.
36:28She asks to see them. They tell her no.
36:30>> When was this? When was she asking?
36:32>> She's in the hospital.
36:33>> Oh.
36:33>> So, this is like after the crash.
36:34>> And the police is currently wearing a
36:36body cam. This is being recorded.
36:38>> they were audio recording a lot of these
36:40hospital Yeah, they were not I didn't
36:43get the body cam probably cuz HIPAA and
36:44like there's lots of stuff happening in
36:46the Actually, well, I do see a lot of
36:47body cams in hospitals. Maybe cuz she's
36:49on Well,
36:50>> Yeah.
36:51>> But we only got audio, you're saying?
36:52Okay.
36:52>> Yes. Mhm. And so, she's acting like this
36:54is just like a friendly hee-hee ha-ha
36:56girly pop chat. And she's like, "Why
36:58can't I see it?" Like, what do you mean
37:00why can't you see it? This is an open
37:02investigation. Like, they're not just
37:03going to give you What do you mean?
37:06>> She's like, "My mom would give it to me.
37:07Like, that would would have given it to
37:08me."
37:09>> Like, 10 years ago.
37:09>> You can get what you want, but I
37:11certainly can't.
37:12>> [laughter]
37:12>> Exactly. What the hell is going on right
37:15now? It's just all very deplorable
37:17behavior. And I don't know if Natalie
37:19and Steve ever called their daughter out
37:21on it or if all they do is sympathize.
37:23Natalie, as per her very recent Daily
37:25Mail interview. So, Steve's been doing
37:27like I've seen at least two on-camera
37:29interviews. Natalie has a Daily Mail
37:32interview. She says, "I'm always going
37:34to be a villain in someone's story
37:35because I'm the mom of someone driving a
37:37car who killed two kids. That's okay
37:39because I know I'm not a villain. I'm a
37:41good person. [music] So is my daughter.
37:43She's not how she's being labeled
37:45online. She struggles with this daily.
37:47She's being labeled online as a murderer
37:48and she was convicted of murder. So, I
37:51don't know. She says, quote, "I feel
37:52trapped. I feel like we're stuck in
37:54quicksand and we can't get out. I feel
37:56so bad for McKenzie, but at the same
37:58time I feel so bad for the other
37:59families. I love Dom. I still love Dom.
38:02McKenzie still loves Dom. She's
38:03struggling. Dom was like part of our
38:05family." Steve says in the documentary,
38:07"She's lucky to be alive, but I was
38:09torn. I had some guilt being happy for
38:11my daughter and knowing that [music] Dom
38:12and Davion passed."
38:14I think what you wear to a very
38:16important event is very indicative of
38:18who you may be as a person. I mean,
38:19typically, you don't wear white to
38:21someone else's wedding unless asked to.
38:23And if you do, it's very indicative of
38:25who you are as a person. And maybe
38:27sometimes you don't wear a graphic
38:29t-shirt that says boom on there when
38:31you're being interviewed about how your
38:33daughter crashed a car into a building
38:35at nearly 100 miles per hour to the
38:37point where investigators say it looked
38:38like the car exploded. And ultimately,
38:41that car crash killed two boys. Maybe
38:43don't wear the boom shirt.
38:45>> Was this in Netflix or
38:47>> Yes, Netflix.
38:48>> That's even crazier.
38:49>> Yeah.
38:49>> It's freaking you know, this is a
38:51documentary. People like wardrobe is a
38:53huge thing.
38:54>> And like the emphasis that they have on
38:55lighting. Like if you see some of these
38:57like setups for these documentaries
38:59behind the scenes, the amount of lights
39:01it's like 10% room, 90% lights and
39:04camera crew studio. Like it's just so
39:06intense.
39:07>> yeah, to the T.
39:08>> Yeah. And I'm sure they don't have like
39:10a makeup team for, you know, documentary
39:12interviewees, but like it's still a big
39:14day on the calendar that you think of
39:16and you plan ahead of time and you're
39:18like, okay, well, I need to wear
39:19something that is Yeah, but no, he wears
39:21a boom shirt. It's a shirt that reads
39:23boom on there. It looks like a graphic
39:25tee and he's wearing this throughout the
39:26Netflix documentary. And netizens have
39:28thoughts ranging anywhere from it's just
39:30a shirt to he's an art teacher. He's
39:33trained in media literacy. He did this
39:35on purpose and it's wild.
39:37>> Mhm.
39:37>> Another one reads, it feels like he's
39:39making a joke about his daughter's
39:40actions. Maybe I'm reading into it, but
39:42it's not a good look. Another says,
39:44their level of immaturity in that family
39:45runs deep. Another says, zero
39:47situational awareness whatsoever. To
39:50which later Steve does an interview
39:52where he's asked about this boom shirt.
39:54But not before he very sarcastically
39:56points out. So, in this new interview
39:58after Netflix, he's wearing this solid
40:00orange polo shirt. So, it's got the polo
40:01logo, but like just mainly orange,
40:04right? He says, is this okay? I I don't
40:06want to trigger anybody in this world
40:07and I'm wearing this orange polo. I hope
40:09it's you know, I'm not color blind
40:11enough for anybody. Oh, the shirt I was
40:13wearing is from DripDrop. So, the boom
40:15shirt. He's like, it's from this
40:16drip-drop, which is Crime Circus on
40:19YouTube." Crime Circus has been a
40:21defender for my daughter. He's been made
40:23many posts saying she's innocent, and he
40:25shows the evidence, and he contradicts
40:27what people say.
40:28>> there is a YouTuber defending
40:30>> Yeah.
40:30>> McKenzie Shirilla?
40:31>> Like way before the Netflix documentary,
40:33like during the trial, as it was
40:34happening, I believe.
40:35>> And this is their merch?
40:37>> It's one of their merch. I mean, people
40:39have been saying he's got tons of merch
40:41you could have chosen from.
40:42>> merch was related to this case?
40:45>> Okay.
40:45>> Unrelated to this case.
40:46>> Still crazy.
40:47>> Yeah. And yeah, yeah. He's like, you
40:50know, he shows the evidence, he
40:51contradicts people that who say, "No,
40:54she's guilty, blah, blah, blah." And he
40:55goes, "No, you have to look at this and
40:57this." About a month after her trial,
40:58one of his posts showed up with us.
41:00Somebody had sent it to us, and he had
41:02found five, six videos, interviews from
41:04the Strongsville Police Department that
41:05were not in discovery or were not in the
41:07discovery that we could find. And he
41:08says that in those videos, people allude
41:11to McKenzie passing out and having
41:12seizures. So, it's like [music] it's a
41:14very lengthy police discussion with
41:17Angela, which is Dom's brother, and he
41:19like alludes like, "Yeah, I've heard
41:20about McKenzie passing out and having
41:22seizures, right?" Or whatever. But he's
41:24saying like, "Oh, that's proof."
41:26Regardless, I don't really think it's
41:29that pertinent because the verdict did
41:31come out the way it did come out. He's
41:33saying that he didn't get it in
41:34discovery, which I mean, if that's true,
41:37that's a huge, huge allegation, and I
41:41would imagine that their appeal would go
41:43forward, but it hasn't so far. I mean,
41:46they're going to the Supreme Court, but
41:47it's just a huge allegation that I I
41:49don't know because I don't know what
41:50they got in discovery, right? When I I
41:52mean, I got it when we did the FOIA
41:54request. I didn't particularly find
41:57anything in there nefarious. Like, you
41:59know, the points where I was talking
42:00about in the last episode where Dom's
42:01mom was saying, "Oh, I'm not even
42:02worried about McKenzie's attorney. He's
42:04not a concern for me." They kind of took
42:06it as, "Oh, everything is rigged." I
42:09took it more as like, she found out who
42:11the Shirillas hired. I don't think she's
42:13the one that told them to hire them. And
42:14then she's like, "I don't think he's a
42:16great attorney." I think that was the
42:17vibe I got.
42:18>> Yeah.
42:18>> Of like, he's not like this crazy, he's
42:20not Mark Agnifilo, probably.
42:23Anyway, back to the shirt. He said the
42:24shirt was Crime Circus's logo and one of
42:26his swag that he sells. So, I wore the
42:28shirt to say thank you for what he was
42:30doing for my daughter and he's done a
42:31lot. If I see him, I'm going to hug him.
42:33That's the first thing I'm going to do.
42:34He's been a very good champion for what
42:36I feel is misjustice against my daughter
42:38and the lack of evidence to support the
42:39charges. So, that's what the shirt was
42:41about. Not me being color blind to two
42:43boys dying because it was horrible. A
42:46day doesn't go by that I don't think
42:47about it. And that was one of the
42:49toughest things for me to do with this
42:50whole thing. At the beginning was, how
42:52can I be happy that my daughter's alive
42:54and breathing and the fact that these
42:55two boys died. The shirt was a thank you
42:57to Crime Circus. It wasn't me being
42:59color blind or insensitive to anybody
43:00because that's the most idiotic because,
43:02oh my god, why would I do that? That's
43:04got to be the dumbest take on that
43:05shirt. And again,
43:06>> But you did.
43:07>> Yeah.
43:08>> You did wear that.
43:09>> Yeah. And then
43:10>> Apologize.
43:10>> Yeah.
43:11>> You can still explain, but just
43:12apologize.
43:13>> That was his apology. And then he hits
43:15it with a, you know, and again,
43:16everyone, this is orange. I'm sorry if
43:19it's offensive. I apologize now.
43:21>> And again,
43:22everyone, it's orange. I'm sorry if it
43:24if it's offensive. I apologize now.
43:26>> They're just so not likable. They're
43:28making everything not regarding to the
43:30case or legal side of it. They're just
43:32such unlikable people.
43:34>> Yeah. They're people that I would not
43:35want to spend any second of my free time
43:37with
43:38willingly. In another comment, it reads,
43:40"He's the type of dad that joins his
43:42daughter's OnlyFans account for quote
43:43support." That [music] comment got like
43:4648,000 likes. So, this is a sentiment
43:49that, I mean, I don't know, you describe
43:50a lot, but that to me is a lot of people
43:52that liked it. McKenzie's dad, Steve
43:54Sherrill, says, "Again, am I a perfect
43:56parent?" No. And Natalie is like backing
43:59him up and she's like, "Nobody is. No
44:01one is. Have I made mistakes with my
44:02kids? Sure. It's It's like life, you
44:05know?" McKenzie's mom, Natalie Butson,
44:07"But she wasn't a bad kid. She didn't
44:09need to be disciplined a lot. You know,
44:11I mean, she I mean, the only the worst
44:13is her mouth. And clearly, our
44:15definitions of good parenting and bad
44:16kid are so vastly different that one of
44:18us might be reading the dictionary and
44:19the other party might be reading the
44:21freaking Hobbit. Because like, what do
44:22you mean? In the police FOIA file, we
44:24received this lengthy document. It's the
44:26cell byte extract of text messages
44:28between McKenzie and her dad. And I will
44:30say, the internet has taken some
44:32snippets of it and ran with it to very
44:34interesting directions and corners of
44:37darkness. For example, there's the whole
44:39warm milk bit online. I guess people
44:42have been pulling messages and McKenzie
44:44seems to ask her dad for quote warm milk
44:46at odd hours of the day or more often
44:49odd hours of the night. And there are
44:51some notable ones. So for example, I
44:53mean, I was combing through looking for
44:54these warm milk messages because I saw
44:56people talking about it online before I
44:57even got to it. January 4th, 2020,
45:00McKenzie texts her dad at 2:43 a.m.
45:03Middle of the night. Can you make me
45:04warm milk?
45:06He doesn't respond until 1:00 p.m. the
45:07next day. [music] Sorry, just seeing
45:09this. You still want milk?
45:11Then 2 days later at 11:31 p.m.,
45:14McKenzie texts her dad again. Can you
45:16make me warm milk? He responds, okay.
45:19Thanks. When you come in, be quiet. Then
45:21later in March 2020, McKenzie texts her
45:23dad at 11:35 p.m. Can you rub my feet?
45:26This seems to like be a thing that she
45:28does because months later there are
45:29similar messages. Could you please come
45:32up here and rub my feet? They're in pain
45:34and mom will not do a good job. Can you
45:35rub my feet?
45:37Which is interesting.
45:38April 2nd, 2020, 11:12 p.m., McKenzie
45:41asks again, will you make me warm milk?
45:44He responds the next morning at 10:00
45:45a.m. Just saw this, do you still want?
45:47[music]
45:47No.
45:48Sorry, my phone was dead. Then May 5th,
45:502020 at midnight, can you make me warm
45:53milk? Again, May 8th, 2020 at 3:00 a.m.,
45:56can you make me warm milk? To which
45:58Steve responds, K.
46:00McKenzie asks, can you do it now?
46:02Then again, May 9th, 2020, [music] "Can
46:04you make me milk?"
46:06And I don't know if it's maybe a lot of
46:08people who don't really drink a lot of
46:10warm milk, or maybe just like a vibe
46:12that people are picking up, but comments
46:13on TikTok read, "Warm milk is not warm
46:15milk." That comment has almost 30,000
46:18likes. People are debating under that
46:20comment section, you know, arguing what
46:21they think warm milk means. Some say,
46:24"Warm milk helps you come off certain
46:25drugs." So, like, it is warm milk, but
46:28the reason she needs it so much is
46:30because she's trying to come down from a
46:31drug. Others say, "No, it sounds like a
46:34sexual thing." Another comment just
46:36reads, "Google Urban Dictionary meaning
46:38for warm milk." Which I did, and there
46:40is a list of different definitions
46:42ranging from the beverage you drink
46:43while thinking of excuses to explain why
46:45you can't fish because your wife or
46:47others won't let you. Basically, you're
46:49a bit baby. All the way to it's a web
46:51comic, and all the way to, quote, "Wank.
46:54Jerk off furiously during a bout of
46:57insomnia as a way to work up the heart
46:59rate and therefore exhaust oneself to
47:01sleep." So, there are some people on the
47:02internet who believe that they think
47:05something weird is going on between
47:06McKenzie and her dad, with one comment
47:08reading, "This feels like a grossly
47:10inappropriate relationship." Others
47:12don't think it's that dark necessarily.
47:14They theorize online, "Warm milk helps
47:16you come down from very specific
47:18substances. Just an FYI, sounds like she
47:21was a junkie and her dad was an enabler.
47:23So, still probably bad."
47:24>> Did she ask for anything else?
47:27>> Oh, yeah. I'm going to get into that.
47:28Now, one comment with over 40,000 likes
47:31reads, "Child of addicts here. I was
47:33always told warm milk helps you come
47:34down from drugs."
47:36>> Huh.
47:36>> So, there is no proof that something
47:37strange is happening like some netizens
47:39theorize, because I kept seeing, I don't
47:41know if it was my algorithm, but TikTok
47:42was just like, "Something weird's going
47:44on between her and her dad." But then
47:46I'm reading the messages, and I honestly
47:48would say that, this is my feeling, I
47:50wouldn't be surprised if McKenzie is
47:52literally just asking for warm milk,
47:53like a literal glass of warm milk. And
47:56maybe it's weird to some people because
47:57I wouldn't wake my dad up at 3:00 in the
47:59morning to ask for a favor, but that
48:01sounds just about exactly what Mackenzie
48:03would do. But like I said, I don't know
48:06if I would be surprised if she's just I
48:08wouldn't be surprised at anything at
48:09this point. But I could see her just
48:11using him as a butler. She asks him to
48:13make her hot cocoa, bring her tanning
48:15oil, buy her spray paint, make her
48:17stencils out of cardboard. She also
48:18asked him to edit her photos, texting
48:20him, "Did you fix the pic? I need you to
48:23fix it ASAP. I'm trying to post."
48:26>> That's crazy.
48:26>> Yeah, she
48:27>> Like Photoshop?
48:28>> Yeah, she sends more pictures and she's
48:29like, "Make those lighter." She asked
48:31him to make her pants, and again, more
48:34milk. She'll text him at night around
48:3511:00 p.m. "Milk? Question mark?
48:38Question mark?"
48:39He doesn't respond. "Okay or not." Then
48:42more messages, "Will you make me warm
48:44milk, please?" No response. Mackenzie
48:46texts back, "Are you home? Can you
48:48please try to book me a massage sooner
48:49than 7:00? I have a birthday party that
48:51I have to leave for at like 6:00. Mom is
48:53telling me to book it. When first of
48:54all, I never even talk to adults, and I
48:56don't have no money, and I don't drive."
48:58Yeah.
49:00Then later messages show Mackenzie
49:02complaining about said warm milk, and
49:04she says, "Milk is cold AF. I'm going to
49:06drink it, but it's not warm."
49:08Steve responds, "Bring it down." It's
49:10just interesting. I can't imagine
49:11critiquing my parents about how they
49:13warm up milk. I wouldn't even give a
49:14Michelin star chef those notes if I'm
49:16paying for an expensive cup of milk.
49:18It's just a like a lot. It's very harsh.
49:20But that's apparently her dynamic with
49:22her parents. One DM between Natalie and
49:24Mackenzie, Natalie says, "Are you good
49:26with the D, or do you want to complete
49:28those final assignments?" If my mom ever
49:31came up to me as a minor and said, "Are
49:33you good with getting a D in this class,
49:35or are you going to finish those
49:36assignments?" Guess what that means.
49:39That means I'm finishing those
49:41assignments tonight, even if I'm falling
49:43asleep at my desk, because that was her
49:45way of saying, "You're finishing those
49:48assignments, okay?"
49:50She's asking her about her grades.
49:51Mackenzie responds, "Dude, I don't care
49:53about a D."
49:54>> Wait, what what is happening? So, the
49:56mom is asking if she would like to
49:58finish assignment?
50:00>> so she's saying
50:01>> asking? Like, "Hey, are you going to uh
50:03finish that?"
50:03>> Yeah, but like I guess I'm thinking like
50:05if my mom
50:06>> like, "Are you okay with a D?" Like
50:08that's the question?
50:09>> I guess so, but like
50:10>> Are you good with that?
50:11>> Usually when parents ask that, it's more
50:13so you're going to finish the
50:14assignments, right? But then she
50:16responds, "Dude, I don't care about a
50:18D." And now this is where I'm expecting
50:20Natalie to like mom and be like, "Hey,
50:22you might not care, but guess who cares?
50:24The car you're never going to drive, the
50:27outside world that you're never going to
50:28see because you're going to be
50:29grounded." Like something like that. I'm
50:30expecting. Natalie responds, "Unless you
50:32want to fix it. That's what I thought. A
50:34D is passing, so it's all good. LOL."
50:37>> That is insane response.
50:39>> Yeah. Yeah.
50:40>> Insane.
50:41>> I was reading that and I was like, am am
50:43I reading the right person? And I'm
50:44like, "No, this is Natalie Schrollus'
50:46Instagram DMing her."
50:49>> And they're Instagram DMing? Yeah.
50:51>> [sighs]
50:52>> Holy, this is crazy.
50:55>> I feel like Natalie just tries really
50:56hard to be McKenzie's friend. McKenzie
50:58will even tell Natalie about her night
51:00out with friends. She'll say things
51:01like, quote, "They knew my ID was fake.
51:03They told me. We did leave and then we
51:05went to Grace's." Natalie responds, "I'm
51:07glad you went out and had a good time."
51:09>> Holy, this is
51:12>> I feel like okay, I understand that when
51:15you're raising kids, maybe there comes a
51:17point where you know that your kids not
51:19out maybe or you know that your kid did
51:22something, but like maybe you don't
51:24confront them. Because maybe you let it
51:25pass for like whatever parenting reason
51:27you decide, okay? But the fact that the
51:29kid is telling you and then you're like,
51:31"Well, I'm glad you had fun." is like
51:33not in a world that I can imagine.
51:35>> No, this is like they flipped the
51:37parenting dynamic around. It's almost
51:39like McKenzie is the parent.
51:42>> This is so weird to me.
51:43>> is going on here?
51:44>> That's what I'm saying. Her parents seem
51:46much much, much, much, much less strict
51:49than my parents ever were and I feel
51:51like my parents were pretty open-minded
51:53raising us. Like it's just I feel like
51:55my parents are stricter on me now as a
51:57full-blown adult than McKenzie's parents
51:59were at her age at 17.
52:01>> Yeah.
52:02>> In one text thread, McKenzie is texting
52:04Dom.
52:04>> 15 if she was 2020.
52:07>> yeah.
52:08I feel like my parents expect more from
52:10me now as a full-blown adult.
52:12>> Yeah, yeah.
52:12>> And so there's another point where
52:14McKenzie is texting Dom about alcohol
52:16and she says, "How are we going to get
52:18alcohol? My dad said make it with
52:20vodka." So she's like getting advice
52:22from her dad and Dom is like, "Just ask
52:24your mom to go buy some." Later McKenzie
52:26says, "Okay, well, I'm waiting for my
52:27dad so give me the money so we can go
52:29and I'll get the Jell-O and everything.
52:30You can help me make the margaritas for
52:32the pre-game."
52:34Okay, I mean, the implication there is
52:36like I don't know, you draw the
52:37implication you want, right? But Dom
52:39sends a list of things that he needs and
52:41there's Casamigos silver on there which
52:43is alcohol. McKenzie later confirms that
52:46her dad got the orange liquor which is
52:48alcohol and when they get back, I guess
52:50the party is being hosted at McKenzie's
52:52parents' house and she says, "Well, my
52:54dad is power washing the deck for us."
52:56What I'm getting out of this is is he
52:58buying them alcohol and also cleaning up
53:01for their party
53:02>> Yeah.
53:02>> that they're hosting at their house?
53:03Like is that what we are to assume from
53:05this cuz that's crazy. Later in other
53:07messages, McKenzie mentions to Dom that
53:09she's going to go to the dispensary with
53:11her dad. McKenzie texts Dom, this is
53:13back in February of 2020, "My dad asked
53:15if I know someone who has hella female
53:17weed seeds. I'll pay you, should give
53:20him some."
53:21>> That is insane. So there not only he the
53:25parents not only buying
53:26her alcohol, he's buying her weed at 15.
53:30>> Well, I don't know if he's buying it for
53:31her or for himself, right? Or McKenzie
53:34could be making this up, right? But
53:35there's text messages between her and
53:37her dad where McKenzie asks her dad,
53:39Steve, "You want weed peanut butter?" He
53:42responds, "No, lol. I don't like to eat
53:44my weed."
53:46I'm going to give you a little. Are you
53:47making me milk?
53:49Dad, Dad, are you home?
53:51Then a, are you okay?
53:53Yes, I'm okay. I feel like I have a
53:55cold. Okay, to be honest, you need weed.
53:57I'm worried. Lol, don't be worried. I
54:00actually feel good. Just got irritated
54:02that I got it and have to quarantine for
54:0310 days. They're talking about COVID.
54:05Yeah, that's gay as. COVID some BS. You
54:09shouldn't have taken the test.
54:11>> You shouldn't have taken the COVID test?
54:12>> Yes, so there's This is like a
54:13reoccurring trend throughout McKenzie's
54:15text messages with other people. She
54:17talks about how she can buy negative
54:18tests, like tests that show a negative,
54:21instead of taking that.
54:23>> Wait, I'm still lost.
54:24>> So like cuz you know there was like
54:25mandatory quarantining.
54:27>> Oh, so as long as you show negative, you
54:29can just be out and about.
54:30>> Yeah. Yes.
54:31>> With COVID.
54:32>> Yes, so she's like She was like
54:33messaging other people of like how to
54:34get negative tests.
54:36>> Wow.
54:37>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Steve later says
54:39in an interview that he picked his
54:41battles as a parent and he let McKenzie
54:43smoke weed.
54:44>> I'm sorry if I find marijuana not that
54:46dangerous as I find alcohol or cocaine
54:50or whatever, you know, I My daughter,
54:53beyond whatever else seems to think or
54:56wants to interpret or glean, she seemed
54:58mature enough to handle it.
55:01>> I didn't see it as an issue. I feel like
55:03they have a lot of issues, but that's my
55:05opinion. According to text messages, it
55:07seems at some point McKenzie's dad puts
55:09like a bumper sticker on her I imagine,
55:12and this is like imagination. It's
55:15probably some sort of like student
55:17driver bumper sticker cuz she recently
55:19learned how to drive, right? And she
55:21texts him, "Never put that on my
55:23car again. Now I'm going to be late to
55:25school because I had to turn around and
55:26go take that off." He responds,
55:28"Lol." "It's seriously not funny. Like I
55:31will seriously flip the out. Don't
55:33talk to me like that. Lol. I'm going to
55:35talk to you however I want that bumper
55:37sticker stops showing up on my car. No,
55:40lol. Because now I'm late somewhere that
55:42my hours matter. Okay, then call Polaris
55:44and get my hours back. Blocked.
55:47>> Wait, what just happened?
55:48>> So, she's saying like call my school and
55:50get my hours back cuz she's like I'm
55:52late for school now because of you and I
55:54can't get my hours back. Don't put that
55:56bumper sticker on my car. And then she
55:58says blocked as in like she's going to
55:59block him, but she doesn't.
56:01Thanks for the laugh, lol. Giggle.
56:03>> The father says yes for the laugh.
56:05>> I just can't imagine talking to my dad
56:07like that. And then I can't imagine my
56:08dad responding to me like that when I do
56:10talk to him like that. Their
56:11interactions are alarming. Mackenzie
56:13will text her dad in the midst of a
56:15fight with her mom. Tell mom to answer
56:17my text right now. Right now. Do it.
56:19Question mark exclamation exclamation
56:21exclamation exclamation. Are you just
56:23not going to help?
56:24Sorry, not getting involved. I'm just
56:26going to get mad.
56:28Thanks for making this the worst
56:29birthday I ever had.
56:31She texts her dad, "Never drive my car
56:33again without putting gas in it. Like
56:35what the How are you going to
56:36drive someone's car then not put a
56:38single set of gas in it? And then it's
56:40literally below the line. It was not
56:41below the line when I gave you my car."
56:43Steve responds, "First, I took your car
56:46to get serviced, which I paid for and
56:48had to waste an hour of my time waiting
56:49for it and cleaned some of the inside
56:51because the person that drives it is a
56:52slob and doesn't keep it clean. Then
56:55when I returned your car to the
56:56driveway, I noticed the gas was on empty
56:57so I left you a note, told you when you
56:59came home and told your mother to tell
57:01you. So, be more respectful and
57:03responsible. You owe me $74 for the
57:05service and $25 for the hour I had to
57:07sit there wasting my time for my
57:08disrespectful daughter."
57:10Here's the thing with Steve and this is
57:12just like my context that I got from the
57:14text messages. Okay, when I watched the
57:16Netflix documentary, I walked away with
57:18the feeling that Steve and Natalie never
57:21yell at their daughter and just go, "Oh,
57:22baby, baby, it's okay. It's okay, baby.
57:24Anything for you, baby, right?" That's
57:26what I walked away with. But then when I
57:27was reading these text messages, I
57:29noticed that Steve does yell at his
57:32daughter and I think that's where he
57:33thinks he's disciplining his daughter.
57:36Right? But then like it never really
57:38amounts
57:39>> takeaway, though.
57:40>> Yes, I know.
57:41>> texts.
57:41>> Exactly. But that's not what happens
57:43because I'll see him like yelling at his
57:45daughter, right? And then the next day
57:47it'll be like, "Have fun. Have fun
57:49tonight. Like text me if you need me."
57:51And it's like, "Oh, if my child ever
57:53spoke to me like that, I don't think
57:54they're going out the next day."
57:55>> Yeah.
57:55>> I don't think they're going out for a
57:56long time.
57:57>> you just said
57:58>> Yes.
57:58>> the Steve just texts her. What does she
58:01respond with?
58:01>> Like nothing. She just ignores him.
58:03>> Clearly, there's nothing going on.
58:05There's no discipline. There's nothing.
58:06No consequences.
58:07>> Nothing.
58:08>> Nothing is being done.
58:09>> Yeah.
58:10>> What the
58:10>> Yeah.
58:12A few weeks later, she complains to him,
58:14"You should probably retake your driving
58:16test if you can't tell that you
58:17literally hit the bench with my
58:19car. #worstdriver #retakeyourtesttoday."
58:22"You mean the car I had to move because
58:24the person who parked it failed to leave
58:26me room, and don't you mean the car that
58:27I paid for? Is that the car you're
58:29talking about? Watch how you speak to me
58:31or you won't have that car."
58:33She responds, "Learn how to drive. #ass
58:36worst driver of the year."
58:38She doesn't apologize, but later she
58:40gets upset when a school project doesn't
58:42end up working out. She demands to her
58:44dad, "You better fix what you ruined or
58:45I will fail Polaris school."
58:48"So, dot dot dot. Are you trying to say
58:50you're slow?"
58:51"I'm saying when you speak to me with
58:52disrespect, I don't care if you fail."
58:55McKenzie responds, "Let me know when
58:56it's fixed. {question mark} Do you know
58:59how to use a music doll?" No response.
59:02"Good to know to never ask you to do
59:04anything again. You just up my
59:05whole morning. How about you tell people
59:07your plan instead of just not
59:09going."
59:10>> They literally text like two friends.
59:12>> Yes, that's what I'm saying. I don't
59:13even talk to my friends like that.
59:14>> Yeah. Is there any moment that they are
59:17acting like a parent that's actually a
59:20regular freaking parent?
59:21>> No, I mean the only moments I saw are
59:23when he's like, "You do not speak to me
59:25with disrespect." Right? Those are the
59:26>> That's again
59:27>> But like nothing comes of it.
59:28>> Exactly. Even a friend could talk to a
59:29friend like that. You don't talk to me
59:31like that.
59:31>> Yeah. But that's it. That's all I can
59:33find.
59:34>> Wow, these are
59:35>> Yeah, no, I was actually like I felt
59:37like my blood pressure was going up
59:39reading these text messages. I was
59:41kidding. Like I was huffing and puffing.
59:42It was so stressful. Then a few days
59:44later she text him, "Can you please go
59:46get us White Claws or some shit?" White
59:48Claws are alcohol.
59:49"Can you please go get us White Claws or
59:51some at the gas station or Mike's,
59:53something like that? I am in bed. I have
59:55to get up early and it's Sunday. Can you
59:57bring us some, please? We need some.
59:59Even the ones in the garage fridge.
1:00:01Then come get it.
1:00:03There are people here. OMG."
1:00:06And then he responds, "Mom will drop off
1:00:08in a bit." And she says, "Bet."
1:00:11And he's like, "Oh, I guess this is the
1:00:12only time he's like a parent." He's
1:00:13like, "Bet as in better?" And she says,
1:00:16"Bet as in good."
1:00:17>> That's crazy. What kind of teacher is
1:00:19he? Art teacher?
1:00:20>> yeah.
1:00:20>> Middle school, high school?
1:00:22>> Uh it's a Catholic school. I'm not sure.
1:00:24Yeah.
1:00:25Then there's this whole Starbucks
1:00:27debacle. She asked him to go get her
1:00:30Starbucks. And he says, "What do you
1:00:32want? But I have to go out. It might be
1:00:33in a bit." So he's like telling her it's
1:00:35going to be in a little later. "Small or
1:00:36medium iced white mocha sweet cream foam
1:00:39and extra extra caramel sauce and a
1:00:41chocolate croissant.
1:00:43How long? Dad. Warmed croissant. What
1:00:45the Why would you not get my food
1:00:47first? Like {question mark} {question
1:00:48mark} {question mark} {question mark} I
1:00:50would go if I didn't feel like shit." He
1:00:52responds, "I'll let you know when I get
1:00:54there. Please relax. Like what the
1:00:57I told Dom no because I thought you
1:00:58would actually go. Unreliable AF. I was
1:01:01on my way out. On my way back I will
1:01:03stop. I will. Stop making me stop what
1:01:06I'm doing. What the Maybe next
1:01:08time just let me know you're going to
1:01:09take 5 hours and I'll just have Dom do
1:01:11it because he's actually going to go get
1:01:13it. Like do I have to have Mom go? Oh my
1:01:15god. {question mark} {question mark}
1:01:16{question mark} Where are you? What the
1:01:18Like please never tell me you can
1:01:21do something if this is how it's going
1:01:22to be. Oh my god. Yeah, I'm never going
1:01:24to ask you to do anything for me again.
1:01:26God damn, why can't you do it right? I
1:01:27swear to God if I don't get my chocolate
1:01:29croissant because they sold out, I'm
1:01:30going to flip out. What do you want? I'm
1:01:33here.
1:01:34>> Is this the same tone that she kind of
1:01:36talks to Don?
1:01:37>> Yes.
1:01:38Yeah, it's like very threatening. Like
1:01:40I'm going to flip out. If I don't get
1:01:42what I want, I'm about to blow up.
1:01:44Like that's the vibe.
1:01:44>> So is this for me to assume that the
1:01:47reason why she talks this way, acts this
1:01:49way, is because the parents let her talk
1:01:52to them this way?
1:01:53>> And that's why she talks to Don this
1:01:55way.
1:01:56>> I That's what I think, too. Because I
1:01:57think that it starts
1:01:58>> like the correlation is very clear.
1:02:00>> Yeah. Like the fact that she talks to
1:02:01them like this is crazy.
1:02:03>> Yeah.
1:02:03>> And so he he doesn't even respond to
1:02:06that craziness. He just says, "What do
1:02:08you want? I'm here." The fact that he
1:02:09still went to Starbucks is crazy, too.
1:02:12Okay?
1:02:13And then she responds, "I texted you and
1:02:15Danny." Danny is her sister. "I texted
1:02:18you and Danny what I want. Read."
1:02:21>> Surella has a sister? McKenzie has a
1:02:23sister?
1:02:24>> and Don's mom says like it's very clear
1:02:26there's favoritism in that family.
1:02:28>> Favoritism to McKenzie?
1:02:32>> McKenzie is very sociable, considered
1:02:35mean girl popular by some people,
1:02:38skinny, gets followers on Instagram,
1:02:42conventionally maybe attractive,
1:02:46and her sister is maybe not considered
1:02:49those things.
1:02:50>> What do we know about that? Is it just
1:02:52from Don's mother, you said?
1:02:54>> Don's mother, some small comments made
1:02:57by other people, the fact that the
1:02:58Surellas never really talk about their
1:03:00other daughter, and then I I'm like the
1:03:03jail calls. So Natalie will be on the
1:03:06phone with McKenzie, who's in prison.
1:03:09And you just hear Natalie like screaming
1:03:11at Danny all the time.
1:03:13>> Screaming at the sister.
1:03:14>> Yeah.
1:03:15>> The sister is also on the phone.
1:03:16>> Yeah. No.
1:03:17>> Oh.
1:03:17>> Like she'll be talking to McKenzie like
1:03:19da da da da da.
1:03:20"Daddy, get down here."
1:03:22Like "Daddy, what did I say?"
1:03:24>> Really?
1:03:25>> Yeah, and I'm like "Oh, damn. You should
1:03:27be screaming at McKenzie like that.
1:03:28She's the one in prison for murder."
1:03:31>> Yeah.
1:03:33>> Yeah.
1:03:33>> Fascinating.
1:03:34>> Well, I guess you could argue well,
1:03:35she's talking to McKenzie in a softer
1:03:36tone because she feels like her daughter
1:03:38needs more emotional support since she's
1:03:39calling from jail. Whatever, but it's
1:03:41still weird. It's still weird. So, these
1:03:43are just like speculations, okay? Yeah,
1:03:45she just responds "Just hurry for real.
1:03:47It's already late AF. I shouldn't even
1:03:48be drinking coffee this late, but I
1:03:50guess I have to. Next time tell me you
1:03:52can't go if you don't want to, dummy AF.
1:03:54Did you just call me dumb? Cuz this
1:03:56shitstorm is coming for you. I'd go
1:03:58hide." McKenzie responds "Are you
1:04:00threatening me for no reason when I'm
1:04:02sick with COVID? So loving."
1:04:05And then like nothing comes out of that
1:04:06either.
1:04:07A few weeks later, McKenzie is looking
1:04:09for a bag of soil and asks Steve where
1:04:11is it. He texts her "I don't know, maybe
1:04:13in the garage. Ask mom." She texts
1:04:15"She's being dumb as That's why
1:04:17I'm asking you. Where in the garage?"
1:04:19Baby, I don't know. If I had to guess,
1:04:21prob- I probably it's probably buried
1:04:23somewhere, okay? Goodbye, son. When are
1:04:25you going to be back? Because my my
1:04:26plant is going to die. Like she's just
1:04:28calling her mom dumb as to her dad.
1:04:30And her dad doesn't correct her.
1:04:33There's a lot of fights about the car.
1:04:34She texts him "You are never driving my
1:04:35car again. Disgusting. Don't
1:04:37eat fast food in my car then
1:04:39leave the trash in my car. Disgusting.
1:04:41Also, maybe try putting it back the way
1:04:42it was when you left it. Don't take my
1:04:44steering wheel off if you're not going
1:04:45to put it back on." I don't think that
1:04:47he took the steering wheel off. I think
1:04:49he took the pink fuzzy thing off, you
1:04:50know? The little
1:04:51She texts again "You're done." She's
1:04:53texting her dad "You're done." Steve
1:04:55tries to tell McKenzie that this is
1:04:56technically his car that he pays for and
1:04:58he lets her drive and he demands that
1:05:00she speak to him with respect. She
1:05:01argues "If you want to be treated with
1:05:03respect, how about you give it to other
1:05:04people?" This is like a huge thing to
1:05:06McKenzie. It feels like people are only
1:05:08disrespectful when she doesn't like what
1:05:09they do. Like in her English pea-sized
1:05:12she's never disrespectful. She text her
1:05:14dad, "Have fun in your closet when you
1:05:16get home. Your trash is in there." So, I
1:05:18think the whole fight is like he
1:05:19probably ate something, left the fast
1:05:22food bag in the car, she put it in his
1:05:23closet.
1:05:26He responds, "If I was you, I'd think
1:05:27twice before you piss me off and then
1:05:29you won't have a car, period. So, text
1:05:31me again with your BS and think twice."
1:05:32[music]
1:05:33She says, "I tell you a million times to
1:05:35not disrespect my car and take my
1:05:37steering wheel off and leave trash,
1:05:38especially eat fast food in my car." But
1:05:40you know, but listen, I'm just telling
1:05:41you that you're being disrespectful.
1:05:43"When you start making car payments and
1:05:44insurance payments, until then, keep
1:05:47your disrespectful tone and words to
1:05:48yourself." The next day, there's text
1:05:50messages between McKenzie and her dad
1:05:52where he tells her, "Be careful, have
1:05:54fun." And like this is again where I
1:05:56lose my mind. Like, if I talk to my dad
1:05:57like that, I'm not having fun for a long
1:05:59time.
1:06:01Especially not the next business day.
1:06:03Other times she's texting him like,
1:06:04"Stop being loud AF." What?
1:06:07"I can hear you from all the way up
1:06:08here." "Stop being so oversensitive AF
1:06:11and I'm not being loud." This is her dad
1:06:13texting her. "That's not oversensitive.
1:06:15I'm trying to sleep and you're stomping
1:06:16around blowing your nose 79 times. Stop
1:06:18being a woman hater." "Stop being
1:06:20disrespectful to your father." In some
1:06:22text messages, it doesn't even seem like
1:06:24Steve is trying to discipline her. It
1:06:25just seems like he's trying to appease
1:06:26her writing things like, "Am I
1:06:28unblocked? Sorry you didn't have a good
1:06:30time last night. Really, no matter what
1:06:32Kenz, I love you and only want the best
1:06:34for you." Later in an interview, he
1:06:36says,
1:06:37>> I was on my daughter all the time. I
1:06:38punished her all the time. It's not a me
1:06:41going, "Okay, you just go hey, go have a
1:06:42whole time. Go smoke dope. Have fun.
1:06:44Woo! Drive your car really fast."
1:06:45>> I don't see it in the cell bright
1:06:46messages, but like maybe you can point
1:06:48us elsewhere, Steve. Like maybe you can
1:06:49show us. Apparently,
1:06:50>> Didn't he say that, "I'm sorry you
1:06:52didn't have a good time."
1:06:53>> Yeah.
1:06:53>> "Have a good day."
1:06:55>> Have a good Have be fun. Be safe.
1:06:56>> "Be have fun. Be safe."
1:06:57>> Yeah.
1:06:58>> "Here's some
1:06:59White Claw."
1:07:00>> Yeah. I'm at Starbucks. What do you
1:07:02want?
1:07:03Apparently, there's this one time where
1:07:04McKenzie and Dom are going to Florida
1:07:06and McKenzie's mom allegedly was going
1:07:09to go to Florida just to make sure that
1:07:11they can check into their place because
1:07:13you might have to be 21 to check into
1:07:15whatever accommodation they're staying
1:07:16at. So, she was just going to go to
1:07:18Florida, check in with them, and leave,
1:07:19which is insane. This is coming
1:07:21from Dom's mom. Dom's mom says
1:07:23>> She is their golden child. They treat
1:07:26the other sister like a piece of crap.
1:07:28She's the pretty one. She's the smart
1:07:30one. Just everything. It doesn't matter
1:07:32how outrageous
1:07:33>> One former friend of McKenzie's says
1:07:35about her parents, "They just spoiled
1:07:36her, so they just kind of let her do
1:07:38whatever." Obviously, at the time, she
1:07:40should not have been really just doing
1:07:41whatever she wanted. She just always did
1:07:43what she wanted. She talks to everyone
1:07:45else she wanted. You know, we were
1:07:46swimming over at the falls, and you're
1:07:47not supposed to be swimming over there.
1:07:49So, I'm assuming this is some sort of
1:07:50like waterfall or something, right?
1:07:52Cops came, and she was just sitting
1:07:54there being disrespectful the whole
1:07:56time. Just like on her phone. And we're
1:07:58like, "Kenzie, bro, like we're not
1:08:00supposed to be even here swimming. Like
1:08:02why are you being disrespectful towards
1:08:03them? Like do you want us to get a
1:08:04ticket? Like what is wrong with you? Why
1:08:06are you just always like this?"
1:08:09Just everybody, you know, authority,
1:08:11that's not the way you're supposed to.
1:08:13And the first time when she came over to
1:08:14my house, she was cursing in front of my
1:08:16parents, which made my parents not
1:08:18really like her and stuff. Like mind
1:08:20you, they're all high schoolers.
1:08:21>> Yeah.
1:08:21>> I mean, even as adults, like I find it a
1:08:23little when I hear someone cursing in
1:08:25front of my parents, especially if it's
1:08:26the first time they've met. Obviously,
1:08:28now that we're all comfortable, it's
1:08:29different, but The prosecutor says, "Her
1:08:31parents would offer excuses for her
1:08:33behavior." And typically, McKenzie would
1:08:35walk away from those negative
1:08:36interactions at school with more
1:08:38freedom, less consequences, and her
1:08:40actions being completely excused away.
1:08:42Steve says in the Chris Cuomo interview
1:08:44about people judging him and his
1:08:46parenting,
1:08:46>> Let's talk about people, first of all.
1:08:48If you don't know me and you're not in
1:08:50my life, and how how do you say anything
1:08:53about me? How are you judging me without
1:08:55knowing me? Was I lenient on some
1:08:56things? Yes. Was I harder on some
1:08:58things? Yes. I was raising my kid how I
1:09:00felt best at the time. That I made
1:09:03decisions. I I I'm not a bad parent. I
1:09:05may I picked fights that I felt would
1:09:07help her, and I picked fights that I
1:09:09didn't want to fight with her, and I let
1:09:11her go, and I made her make make her
1:09:12make her own decisions. And, you know,
1:09:14you know, she's a she was almost an
1:09:15adult. It's laughable that the people
1:09:19think what they think about us. And And
1:09:21I look at it this way, if you're not in
1:09:22my boat,
1:09:23then it really doesn't matter what you
1:09:25think as as the people. I mean, anyone
1:09:28that doesn't know me, anyone that
1:09:29doesn't know me, should keep their mouth
1:09:31shut, personally.
1:09:32>> He's asked by Chris Cuomo, "Do you blame
1:09:34yourself for your daughter's behavior?"
1:09:36>> Do I blame myself? Could I have advised
1:09:39her better? Sure. I I Do Do I think it
1:09:41would have made any difference? I don't
1:09:43know. I'm sorry. I Makes me I I don't
1:09:45have a problem with the marijuana use. I
1:09:47just I'm sorry. I just don't. It was
1:09:49It's a battle that I would never win.
1:09:51How am I stopping her? Was I going to
1:09:53lock her in her room and never let her
1:09:54out of the room? Was I supposed to go
1:09:56with her everywhere she goes? Could I
1:09:57took the car away? Could I just There's
1:10:00just so many factors that had nothing to
1:10:01do with it. I just
1:10:02>> I mean, I don't know. I feel like it has
1:10:04a lot to do with it, but And like, okay,
1:10:07watching the Netflix documentary, again,
1:10:09I was under the impression like, maybe
1:10:11maybe she's like playing chess with her
1:10:13family, with her parents. She acts like
1:10:16this goody-two-shoes in front of them,
1:10:17and then she's like living this second
1:10:19life outside, where she's posting all
1:10:21these pictures. I mean, that seems more
1:10:23common than not with social media these
1:10:25days. But, no, like just she's kind of a
1:10:28Like, even in text messages
1:10:29between
1:10:31McKenzie and Dom, she gets upset that
1:10:33Dom is on her parents' side, instead of
1:10:36hers. This is from McKenzie's birthday
1:10:38the year before the crash. She says,
1:10:39"This is the worst birthday ever." And
1:10:41that Well, I would like to think now
1:10:43it's not the worst birthday ever, now
1:10:44that she's in prison, but anyway,
1:10:46Dom is on McKenzie's parents' side
1:10:48during a fight, and he tries to explain
1:10:49to her, "I'm not on any side there. You
1:10:51know, like there's no sides." She
1:10:53disagrees. Clearly, there's my side and
1:10:55my parents' side. Like, literally, this
1:10:57is the worst birthday dinner I've ever
1:10:58had. No one meant it for it to be like
1:11:00this, babe. I wish it wasn't. Then why
1:11:02did you argue with me the whole dinner?
1:11:04Like you could have just made things so
1:11:05much smoother. Do you know my dress has
1:11:06a stain on it? Like this is literally
1:11:08the worst. The stain on the dress part
1:11:10kind of threw me off, but it just feels
1:11:12like the smallest things set her off.
1:11:14For example, Dom is looking for a spare
1:11:15key somewhere and Mackenzie is telling
1:11:17him that she honestly hasn't seen it.
1:11:19And then he finds it rather quickly,
1:11:22right under the bed. And he lets her
1:11:24know and she responds, "Oh, damn." And
1:11:27he says, "You could have looked." To
1:11:29which Mackenzie says, "You're really
1:11:31getting the attitude? I love how you
1:11:33always just try to cause a little
1:11:34argument like how you Like how about you
1:11:36just leave me alone? If you want to try
1:11:37and cause an argument, like the
1:11:39Okay, I'm more just with you cuz
1:11:41I know you didn't look for them, but
1:11:43cool. Get mad, lol. Talk to me when
1:11:45you're a little bit more mentally
1:11:46stable. Thanks, bye." "You know what?
1:11:49I'm not even going to entertain that
1:11:50comment. Actually, what do you mean
1:11:51mentally stable? I mean, no normal
1:11:54person just tries to start an argument
1:11:56out of that, so I assumed you're not
1:11:57mentally stable right now."
1:11:59I won't say that it's always Mackenzie
1:12:00starting arguments, but she does seem
1:12:02hypersensitive to things, lots of things
1:12:04or like everything. She also just like
1:12:06hates the heat. She complains to Dom,
1:12:09"My room is literally hot as My
1:12:10mom will not fix it, so I don't want to
1:12:12be sweating and tweaking all night. Like
1:12:14she literally will not turn down the air
1:12:15conditioning. She said she turned it on
1:12:17and it was literally on 70, so I turned
1:12:18[music] it down to like 62. Like what
1:12:20the Why is it so hard for
1:12:22her to turn the AC on? Like I can't even
1:12:23touch my skin because I sweat instantly.
1:12:25Her slow ass turned it off."
1:12:27>> The AC's on 70?
1:12:29>> Yeah.
1:12:30>> And she's saying it's so hot?
1:12:32>> Yeah. But also like the power bill.
1:12:35She also complains to Dom that her
1:12:37parents keep trying to get her to watch
1:12:39family videos with them. And she tells
1:12:40Dom, "I really hope my parents get the
1:12:42mental help they need someday. Like if I
1:12:44don't want to watch the family videos
1:12:45yesterday, why would I want to watch
1:12:47them tonight?" She later complains, "I
1:12:49love you, you My house is literally
1:12:51freezing. Like I don't know what the
1:12:52is wrong with everyone in this
1:12:53house. I just asked my mom, "Why is it
1:12:55never comfortable in this house?" My
1:12:57room is literally like the Arctic or
1:12:58100.
1:13:00She also complains to Dom in depth about
1:13:02how much she hates her family texting,
1:13:04"I'm hungry, but I don't want to go
1:13:05downstairs because my family sucks." In
1:13:07another text thread, she complains,
1:13:09"Well, I was trying to take a
1:13:10nap, but my dad had to go downstairs and
1:13:12turn the TV up to 800, so now I'm
1:13:14awake. I hate this
1:13:16house. I'm pissed. Of course, my dad
1:13:18mind too weak to turn down the TV."
1:13:20What do you mean? He's too stupid, like
1:13:22weak-minded. I'm just bumping right now.
1:13:25So, what? He just left it super loud?
1:13:28McKenzie says, I guess as retaliation,
1:13:30that she left her speaker volume all the
1:13:32way up. Dom is still confused about the
1:13:34TV asking if it's really that loud. He's
1:13:36like, "It was that loud to wake you up?"
1:13:39Bro, it was on like 70.
1:13:42Later, she complains to Dom through
1:13:43text, "My mom just ruined vacation."
1:13:46What happened?
1:13:47One, weather going to be like the
1:13:49whole time. She deadass asked me if I
1:13:51wanted to go to Lake Michigan or
1:13:53Pennsylvania,
1:13:55which she spells p e n s i v a i n y a.
1:14:00I don't even know what that is, okay?
1:14:03And she says, "Why the would I want
1:14:04to go there? Both holes."
1:14:08Dom's like, "Why can't we just cancel
1:14:09and go another time?" So, all of them
1:14:11were going to go like the Shirrells were
1:14:13going to go on this huge family vacation
1:14:14for McKenzie's birthday.
1:14:16Which is like kind of crazy for a
1:14:17birthday, right? And then Dom was going
1:14:19to join. But then they found out that in
1:14:21Florida, there's like hurricane season.
1:14:23Oh god. God forbid, people are losing
1:14:25their homes and their lives, okay?
1:14:26Because it's a hurricane season. But
1:14:28she's like, "Now my vacation is
1:14:30right?" So then my mom is suggesting
1:14:33Lake Michigan or whatever state that she
1:14:35spells that I think is supposed to be
1:14:36Pennsylvania.
1:14:38And she's like, "Why the would I
1:14:39want to go there?" And then so he's
1:14:40like, "Okay, well, why can't we just
1:14:41cancel and go another time then when the
1:14:43weather is better in Florida?" And she
1:14:45says, "Cancel my birthday vacation?
1:14:47I am going on vacation for my birthday
1:14:49and I'm leaving for it today and it's
1:14:50going to be somewhere hot. I'm
1:14:52not going to Florida if it's going to
1:14:53rain the whole time. I'm so mad. If a
1:14:55vacay not planned by tonight, I'm for
1:14:58real done with this whole family. They
1:15:00really just gave me the worst birthday
1:15:02I've ever had."
1:15:03>> This is crazy. This is
1:15:06You can't make this up in a movie. Like
1:15:07>> If it were in a movie, I'd say, "Who
1:15:09acts like that?" That's so dumb. Babe,
1:15:12they can't predict the weather a month
1:15:13away and it's going to be nearly
1:15:15impossible to book a vacay in a night.
1:15:18Buy a ticket to Cali for me and you
1:15:19right now. I have like $300. He doesn't
1:15:22respond. Dom, do it right now. Book a
1:15:24flight somewhere. My mom said she's not
1:15:26booking a new one.
1:15:27Babe, a flight to Cali for both of us
1:15:29will be like $1,100.
1:15:32Okay? Plus Ubers and stuff. We might as
1:15:35well go to Universal or just plan it
1:15:37another day cuz I don't know if we can
1:15:39even stay with Kyle right now. So,
1:15:41you're saying like they have a friend in
1:15:42California, but like they don't know if
1:15:44they can stay there, but even on top of
1:15:45that, Ubers, food, all of that. Okay,
1:15:47don't come on vacation then. Fun.
1:15:50Dom tries to reason with her that
1:15:51there's not going to be a lot of options
1:15:53in this type of short notice. He says it
1:15:55seems like everywhere on the East Coast
1:15:56is going to rain. She responds, "Wow, I
1:15:58didn't know nobody knew that there was
1:16:00more than one coast. Wow, was that
1:16:02supposed to be a smartass joke? Okay, I
1:16:04just won't help then. You weren't
1:16:06helping at all. You never started
1:16:08helping. I was just talking to your mom
1:16:11trying to figure out what we can do. Of
1:16:13course you were talking to that crazy
1:16:14She won't do to help. That's
1:16:17how I know you weren't helping at all,
1:16:18the fact that you were texting her.
1:16:20She's the one booking it. Except she's
1:16:22not and she's just sitting in her
1:16:24room. Dom tries to get her to be
1:16:26open to Michigan. Northern Michigan is
1:16:28actually super super nice in the summer.
1:16:30Do not text me. Why the would I go
1:16:33to some ass Michigan? Literally
1:16:35never say that again. What the
1:16:36What the And again, it
1:16:38doesn't seem like there's a plan, but
1:16:40McKenzie is still sending pictures of
1:16:41swimsuits asking which one she should
1:16:43bring. And I'm like, I thought you're
1:16:44not going on vacay. Okay, mind you,
1:16:46she's like pissed because there's a
1:16:48hurricane. And then, you know, text
1:16:50messages from her dad read, "You need to
1:16:52work with us, and going to the west
1:16:54coast is out of the question. We do not
1:16:55have the time or the money to get there.
1:16:57We would get there and then have to turn
1:16:59around and leave." To which McKenzie
1:17:01responds to her dad, Steve, "There's a
1:17:02lot more places in between we could go
1:17:04to. I'm never going to forget this."
1:17:07They do end up going on this cursed
1:17:09birthday trip at this point, and it goes
1:17:10as well as you can imagine, they do make
1:17:12it to Florida. It's not a hunky-dory
1:17:14time. Based off context clues in the
1:17:16text, it seems like McKenzie and her
1:17:18parents get into a fight. McKenzie is
1:17:19upset that Dom isn't backing her up. She
1:17:21texts him, "You're supposed to be on my
1:17:23side, the Like, what the
1:17:25wrong with you? Do you have issues?"
1:17:27Dom is confused, he has no clue what's
1:17:28going on, and he tells her, "I didn't
1:17:29know you were mad." "Hope you know
1:17:31you're part of the reason why my
1:17:33birthday sucks. Are you slow? Literally
1:17:35do not talk to me, lmao." "I didn't know
1:17:38someone interrupting you made you that
1:17:40mad. That's my bad. But you did threaten
1:17:43to stab me in the eye." "Yeah, I don't
1:17:45care. Happy you ruined this trip? Thanks
1:17:47so much for making me feel special.
1:17:49Like, y'all suck, for real." Dom argues
1:17:51back, "You're mean to me." "Yeah, when
1:17:53you swear at me and threaten me,
1:17:56like, that's mean."
1:17:57They eventually try to reach a
1:17:58compromise with Dom threatening to leave
1:18:00to Palm Bay. Like, Dom is like, "If
1:18:02you're going to keep being mean to me,
1:18:03I'm going to go to my friend in Palm
1:18:04Bay." And he says, "Just don't threaten
1:18:06to kill me, but otherwise I'll probably
1:18:08dip to Palm Bay." "Lmao, okay then. So,
1:18:12you just out here complaining, lol. Get
1:18:14the out then. Go to Palm Bay, the
1:18:16Then go. If you threaten me, I
1:18:18will. It's not normal to threaten
1:18:20people." Dom tells McKenzie, "I'm done
1:18:22with this conversation. You have only
1:18:24been mean to me and have tried to hurt
1:18:25my feelings." "I wasn't mean to you. I
1:18:27was mean after you didn't have my back.
1:18:29How are you not getting this?"
1:18:31"You threatened to stab me in the eye."
1:18:33"After you didn't have on back, are you
1:18:35slow?"
1:18:37And this is like all in caps. That's why
1:18:39I'm emphasizing certain words. Later
1:18:41McKenzie decides she's not mad at Dom,
1:18:43but rather it's her dad. She texts him,
1:18:44"Babe, I just want to go home. I hate
1:18:46everyone. Like I've just been fighting
1:18:48here. Like he picks fights with
1:18:49me any chance he can get. How the
1:18:51am I supposed to be want to be nice
1:18:52after he just said all that to me? Like
1:18:54he's being a dick to me the whole time
1:18:55the whole time."
1:18:57Dom says, "Babe, you've both been wrong.
1:19:00You kind of dogged him." How did I dog
1:19:02him?
1:19:03Calling him five? Didn't know that was
1:19:05offensive. You said something like,
1:19:07"Shut up. I'm having a conversation with
1:19:09Danny."
1:19:10Look, babe, you're both throwing
1:19:11gasoline in each other's fires. Yeah,
1:19:13I've been saying I'm having a terrible
1:19:15vacay and they just don't care.
1:19:18They've had a terrible one, too, babe.
1:19:20I'm trying to make the best of this and
1:19:22everyone keeps ruining it. It's
1:19:23literally them, though. You got your
1:19:24whole family here and they all care. You
1:19:26can't throw it away. No, Dom. I hate
1:19:28them all. No, you don't, babe. You're
1:19:30just mad. No, I really do. Like I love
1:19:33them, but I'm getting the away and
1:19:34I never want to be around them like
1:19:35ever.
1:19:36I'm for real. I'm about to leave. I'm
1:19:38done with this vacay. Like this.
1:19:40this.
1:19:42This vacay is ruined.
1:19:44Also the fact that she still like keeps
1:19:46calling it a vacay was irking me.
1:19:49Dom tries to reason with McKenzie about
1:19:50her dad. Babe, you love him. You
1:19:52appreciate him for what he does. He does
1:19:53nothing.
1:19:55He could be way worse, babe. He does a
1:19:56lot. He has a lot of pressure. LOL.
1:19:58Pressure for what?
1:20:00That's probably why he lashes out. I
1:20:01hate men.
1:20:02Babe, you will never understand what
1:20:04it's like to be your dad. Give him a
1:20:05break.
1:20:06Like the fact that Dom stood up for
1:20:08Steve more than McKenzie ever did and
1:20:10Steve is out here saying like his
1:20:11daughter is a perfect angel is crazy to
1:20:13me.
1:20:14The whole vacation seems to go wrong and
1:20:16I think that's just kind of who McKenzie
1:20:17is. You know those people where
1:20:19everything around them goes wrong and
1:20:21like sometimes it does happen to really
1:20:22good people and like you feel lots of
1:20:24sympathy. But then there are a lot of
1:20:25people where it's like you look at it
1:20:27and you say, "Oh, well, everything goes
1:20:28wrong not because you're unlucky, but
1:20:30because you make everything go wrong."
1:20:32Like of course you're having a miserable
1:20:33time when you're the one making
1:20:35everything miserable. Like, that's the
1:20:36type of person Mackenzie strikes me as.
1:20:38For example, Dom has a bathroom
1:20:40malfunction at some point because the
1:20:42toilet malfunctions, and Mackenzie is
1:20:44just pissed off that he's taking so long
1:20:46in the bathroom, even though he's
1:20:47explaining to her the situation, why
1:20:50it's taking him a second to clean
1:20:51himself up. And she says, "Ruining my
1:20:53vacation. There's toilet paper.
1:20:56Not sure if you know that. Use
1:20:58toilet paper. Why am I telling you how
1:21:00to wipe like a 4-year-old?"
1:21:02"Kenzie, I have toilet water on
1:21:05my privates." So, he said like the
1:21:07toilet flushed
1:21:08randomly and it like splashed
1:21:10everywhere.
1:21:11"Go without me. Leave." Like, they're at
1:21:13a restaurant at Universal. "Like, go
1:21:16leave. Like, I don't care. I'm going to
1:21:18call the cops so they can help you. I'm
1:21:20so mad at you. Like, you really did
1:21:22this? Hell no. What the Like, now
1:21:24everyone's just waiting. No one's
1:21:26leaving. Like, we are literally waiting
1:21:28for you." And this is all in caps. "They
1:21:30won't go without you. What the is
1:21:32wrong with you? Literally acting like a
1:21:33baby. Do I need to come in and wipe your
1:21:34ass?"
1:21:36I check the timestamps. Only 9 minutes
1:21:39has passed. So, I don't know what her
1:21:41issue is. Like, holy cow, you need to
1:21:42get a grip. I'm getting stressed out.
1:21:44She's texting. "Answer right now. Do I
1:21:46need to come and wipe your ass or we
1:21:48will have an issue. Get the off,
1:21:50Dom. Get the off. Literally a
1:21:52child. Oh my god. Oh my god. The
1:21:54We about to have some issue. Oh my god.
1:21:56Oh my god."
1:21:57But then things are fine later because
1:21:59he asks where she's at and she responds,
1:22:01"Hey, Potter. I'm in line for
1:22:02butterbeer." The producers of Netflix
1:22:05ask Mackenzie in her jailhouse
1:22:07interview, "Did you ever feel in your
1:22:10arguments with Dom rage that you
1:22:12couldn't control?" "No. It was never
1:22:14like that. It was always just more like
1:22:17I was, you know, when we'd argue, I
1:22:19would get sad because he didn't really
1:22:21have good communication skills. And we'd
1:22:23be cool after that day or a couple hours
1:22:25later. We'd be watching movies on the
1:22:27couch, eating popcorn.
1:22:29She would just get sad.
1:22:31She would just get sad. I'm so confused.
1:22:34One mutual friend says, "Dom and
1:22:35Kenzie's relationship, they were just
1:22:37always arguing. That's how it was. And
1:22:39me and another friend were always
1:22:40talking about it. We're like, bro, Dom,
1:22:42like you he has so much going for
1:22:44himself. Why doesn't he stick up to
1:22:45Kenzie? He can do so much better." Dom
1:22:48shares the story of a trip that she took
1:22:50with Dom and Kenzie.
1:22:51>> Dom is telling someone?
1:22:53>> No, Dom's mom is telling the police. So,
1:22:55it was going to be, you know, the whole
1:22:56family, Dom's family. She's like, "I
1:22:58took off work. We were all going to go
1:23:00canoeing. So, I packed snacks for the
1:23:02canoe in the cooler and all of that. So,
1:23:03we had a bag that had chips and you
1:23:06know, the sort of things that was like
1:23:07super you don't like want to put it in
1:23:09stuff because they would get crushed.
1:23:11So, like usually on a road trip, you
1:23:12save them for last, like the chip bag
1:23:14and then it goes in the backseat,
1:23:15whatever. Well, we forgot. She ruined
1:23:18the entire canoe trip. She sat there and
1:23:20threw a fit that we had forgotten those
1:23:22chips, that she had nothing to eat, and
1:23:24I kept saying, "We're enjoying our day.
1:23:25There's no fighting. We're going to find
1:23:27you something to eat." We even stopped
1:23:29at this bar. She was not satisfied with
1:23:31anything. Like no nothing it did not
1:23:33matter what I had. She did not have
1:23:35those chips. So, it was like she's
1:23:38explaining like how they went on this
1:23:39whole almost like goose chase to find
1:23:41her something that she was happy enough
1:23:43eating.
1:23:44And [snorts] Dom was just stressed about
1:23:45it the whole time because she was so
1:23:47pissed about those chips. And she was
1:23:48very crafty on how she would do stuff
1:23:50because she would stick her digs, you
1:23:53know, me and Angelo were in a canoe,
1:23:55they're there. She would stick her digs
1:23:57in her comments so that we couldn't
1:23:59hear. But, it was a big tantrum. I mean,
1:24:01everything was a dig. You forgot the
1:24:03chips. You forgot Okay, I get it. Do you
1:24:05know what I mean? But, it's not enough
1:24:06to have a tantrum and ruin the day.
1:24:09Dom's brother Angelo later tells the
1:24:11police that McKenzie would go through
1:24:12self-esteem issues and Dom would want to
1:24:14break up with her.
1:24:16Because she would quote
1:24:17>> She'd get crazy about stuff, like accuse
1:24:19him of cheating and stuff when he's not.
1:24:20>> Not constant, but there'd be every
1:24:22couple of weeks or so where they were
1:24:23almost breaking up and then she'd be
1:24:25threatening to hurt herself. Stuff would
1:24:27arise and it would really never It just
1:24:30wouldn't take a healthy course, to be
1:24:32honest with you.
1:24:33The officer is like, "What do you mean,
1:24:34she would go crazy? Like
1:24:36What's crazy?" There were times where
1:24:37she called Dom and said, "If you break
1:24:39up with me, I'm going to kill myself."
1:24:40Word for word. And then Dom, he was like
1:24:42a very very selfish person and he did. I
1:24:44mean, obviously they were together for a
1:24:46long time and they built a relationship,
1:24:48they cared for each other deeply. Even
1:24:50though Dom did care for her deeply, I'm
1:24:52not disputing any of that, but he's seen
1:24:56all the toxicness that she was putting
1:24:57on to him.
1:24:59So, he's saying like Dom would try to
1:25:01tell McKenzie that he would be there for
1:25:02her after their breakup. So, like you
1:25:05don't have to do anything drastic. Like
1:25:07he's going to be there, but he just
1:25:09can't be in this relationship anymore.
1:25:11And McKenzie would just keep coming
1:25:13back, quote, "I'll kill myself."
1:25:16Essentially, is what Angelo was
1:25:17alleging. Angelo says that he actually
1:25:19was very close with McKenzie in the very
1:25:21beginning of McKenzie and Dom's
1:25:23relationship to the point where she
1:25:24would go to Angelo to get comfort
1:25:26whenever Dom and her would fight. But
1:25:28Angelo says that he started distancing
1:25:30himself because, quote, "I just seen
1:25:32that she was very very selfish." He says
1:25:34he couldn't deal with it anymore, so he
1:25:36blocked her number. Like that's how bad
1:25:38it got. Like he had to go and block her
1:25:40number because she would blow up his
1:25:42phone nonstop when she couldn't get in
1:25:44contact with Dom. He'd be in the car
1:25:46with Dom and Dom is driving, so he
1:25:47doesn't pick up his phone and they're
1:25:49just going to go get like food and she's
1:25:51just blowing up both their phones.
1:25:53Dom's brother says he witnessed fights
1:25:55and he feels like, quote, "Honestly,
1:25:57he'll be like so nice Dom will be so
1:25:59nice and accommodating as possible to
1:26:00stop the fight and she'd be one of those
1:26:03people that is just petty. Like petty
1:26:05petty petty petty." And again, normally
1:26:07I would take anything that one party's
1:26:11sibling says about a relationship with a
1:26:13grain of salt, but then like I did see
1:26:15all those text messages.
1:26:16>> Mhm.
1:26:17>> And I'm like, this seems like more or
1:26:19less at least accurate in my opinion
1:26:20about his characterization. And then
1:26:23she'll be in, you know, in between
1:26:24fights text Dom's brother.
1:26:27Like in between fights, she'll be like,
1:26:29"Hey, can you do my homework for me? I
1:26:30don't want to do my math homework."
1:26:33>> He's like, "Why would I Why would I
1:26:35She really lives in that universe that
1:26:37everyone just revolves around her.
1:26:39>> Yeah. And then for some fights, he says,
1:26:41you know, they would have to call
1:26:42Kenzie's parents to tell them to come
1:26:43get her because she's refusing to leave
1:26:45being toxic. They pick her up. Dom's
1:26:47brother is like
1:26:49I mean, by the way, these fights are
1:26:50always started by Kenzie. And then that,
1:26:51you know, they ask her to leave. And
1:26:53then the parents have to come pick her
1:26:54up. Somehow she'll make it back and
1:26:56she'll just be pounding on the windows
1:26:58demanding to be let back in. He says
1:27:00that her behavior started escalating as
1:27:02she got older. He says, quote,
1:27:04>> Everything behind it, the the number one
1:27:06word for it is like selfish and
1:27:07self-centered. Doesn't really know how
1:27:09to like go through arguments properly.
1:27:11Doesn't know how to do stuff like
1:27:12healthily. But her behavior never really
1:27:14got better. To me, it almost just got
1:27:16more drastic. Like before when she was
1:27:18younger, 9th and 10th grade, she would
1:27:20go home when they were fighting or
1:27:21whatever and then be texting him saying,
1:27:24"Oh, I'll hurt myself blah blah blah
1:27:26blah blah." And then he's like, "Okay,
1:27:28please don't. We can work this out.
1:27:30Whatever, you know."
1:27:31>> But then when it came to the point where
1:27:32she's 16, she's driving now, she's 17,
1:27:35she's even older, she's driving back
1:27:37over, she's banging on the windows, her
1:27:39behavior became more erratic. Maybe also
1:27:41because she had more ways to let it out
1:27:43and to show that.
1:27:44>> I think that's exactly what's going on.
1:27:46Maybe the parents talked to her this way
1:27:48ever since she was little. And maybe the
1:27:50parents just chalk it up as that's just
1:27:52how she what she says. She doesn't do
1:27:54anything. I don't know. Sounds like the
1:27:56dad even thinks it's cute to talk like
1:27:58that. Texting like slow AF.
1:28:00>> You just unlocked something in my brain.
1:28:02Okay, so I One thing I did notice in all
1:28:04the jail calls, right? Is McKenzie,
1:28:07every time she sneezes, she like she
1:28:09doesn't have like a like soft sneeze.
1:28:11It's like "achoo, achoo", right? And it
1:28:13almost like every single time without
1:28:15fail Natalie will just be like, "Oh,
1:28:17that's so cute."
1:28:19>> [laughter]
1:28:20>> Well, no. Cute little sneezes.
1:28:22>> Which I don't know why like I didn't
1:28:23really care for it, but that just like
1:28:25reminded me of it. It's just so random.
1:28:28>> Yeah.
1:28:28>> Like the way she's talking to her. I
1:28:29mean, she's in she's she's a convicted
1:28:31murderer, right?
1:28:33>> And she sneezes, the mom goes, "That's
1:28:35so cute."
1:28:36>> Yeah.
1:28:37>> There's nothing cute at all.
1:28:39>> About this whole situation. You're on a
1:28:40recorded line.
1:28:42>> Yeah.
1:28:42>> From Securus, the jail
1:28:44>> Yeah.
1:28:44>> line.
1:28:45>> Like is that her default? Like she's
1:28:46just always like, "That's so cute."
1:28:48>> Yeah. Everything is like very McKenzie
1:28:51will be talking about how she ate ramen
1:28:54because she doesn't like the prison
1:28:55food. And then, you know, the mom will
1:28:57be like, "Well, is it better than last
1:28:58time?" Then she's like, "Yeah, I made it
1:29:00in the shower this" "Oh, that's good.
1:29:02That's good."
1:29:03>> Well, did you have lunch? What was
1:29:05lunch?
1:29:05>> Oh, okay. Look, I just ate ramen.
1:29:07>> Was it better than last time?
1:29:09>> No, I didn't I don't even know what it
1:29:10was. I just ate ramen.
1:29:11>> No, I mean, did you make it better than
1:29:13you did last time?
1:29:14>> Yes, I used the shower this time to make
1:29:16it.
1:29:16>> And that was much better?
1:29:17>> Uh-huh.
1:29:18>> Good.
1:29:19>> And I'm like, "Hey, so nothing about
1:29:21this situation is good."
1:29:23But Angelo does tell investigators,
1:29:25quote, "There was multiple times even in
1:29:27the month of July that he was trying to
1:29:29break up with her. A couple days before
1:29:31the crash, she was hitting him on the
1:29:33highway while driving down the highway.
1:29:35He had to pull his car over on the side
1:29:36of the highway, not in a very safe
1:29:38parking spot either, and have somebody
1:29:40else come pick them up and drive the car
1:29:41home because he was scared that she was
1:29:42going to make him crash. And that was
1:29:44just prior to the day before the actual
1:29:46crash where she was driving."
1:29:48>> Prior to the day before the crash?
1:29:51>> Yeah, so it's just he's saying like it
1:29:52was very recent to the crash.
1:29:54I think it's pretty clear the
1:29:56relationship between McKenzie and Dom is
1:29:57not good. It's always been rough. I
1:29:59mean, going through all their fights it
1:30:01seems like in the very beginning the
1:30:02biggest issue that was that Dom didn't
1:30:04feel like he had enough space in the
1:30:05relationship. He would complain that he
1:30:07just couldn't even breathe for an hour,
1:30:10which I can see and I know like some
1:30:12people saw the beginning parts of their
1:30:14text messages and felt like Dom was the
1:30:16mean one and this was her reacting to
1:30:18his meanness. I think like I did see a
1:30:20bunch of Tik Toks like that. And just
1:30:22collectively seeing it, I would say that
1:30:24they're both teenagers in a relationship
1:30:26trying to figure out how a relationship
1:30:28works, but it does seem
1:30:32like she does not give him a moment
1:30:33alone. And some people just need time to
1:30:36decompress in a relationship. And I feel
1:30:39like that's kind of like that's a lot of
1:30:40people, but it just it's not happening.
1:30:43And there is a cheating thing. Now, it's
1:30:45unclear how exactly it happened, but Dom
1:30:46argues that it was all while they were
1:30:48on break. So, he's you know, throughout
1:30:50he's arguing that this isn't technically
1:30:52not cheating because they were on break.
1:30:53McKenzie argues that it was while they
1:30:55were still together, but it does seem
1:30:57like Dom did in fact have relations with
1:30:59another girl, Faith, who is a friend um
1:31:01since middle school, says on the Netflix
1:31:04docs and she's throughout the jail
1:31:06calls, you know, she's there. So, she's
1:31:07a big supporter of McKenzie. Faith says,
1:31:10"I told Kenzie
1:31:10>> Faith is a supporter of McKenzie?
1:31:12>> Like a friend and supporter cuz she's in
1:31:14the jail calls. She talks to McKenzie on
1:31:16the phone in jail.
1:31:18>> And Faith slept with Dom
1:31:20>> No, no, no. Faith is saying in the
1:31:22Netflix documentary,
1:31:23>> Oh.
1:31:23>> quote, "I told Kenzie, hey, your
1:31:25boyfriend just cheated on you with one
1:31:27of our best friends."
1:31:28>> Oh.
1:31:29>> I felt terrible for Kenzie. I mean, it
1:31:31sucks to be cheated on. Moving forward
1:31:33in their relationship, it caused a lot
1:31:34of trust issues. Heard it be like, "Hey,
1:31:36who are you with? What are you doing?"
1:31:37This is clearly told from McKenzie's
1:31:39point of view since she's DMing her
1:31:41friend about it later. So, I found these
1:31:43Instagram DMs and she DMs her, "He
1:31:46cheated on me four times in the
1:31:47beginning. Two times were with my best
1:31:49friend."
1:31:50"Bro, it like me up. You would
1:31:52die. I'm going to tell you their story.
1:31:53I was a freshman, he was a junior.
1:31:55Literally, her name was redacted. Um
1:31:58literally, her name was redacted. She
1:32:00would leave my house at night and say
1:32:01she's going to go another friend's
1:32:02house, but instead she would walk to my
1:32:04boyfriend's and him. She didn't
1:32:05even tell me, he did. And he was
1:32:08publicly cheating. Literally, like they
1:32:09had gym together and would around
1:32:11in school and no one told me. It's
1:32:13insane.
1:32:14In 2020, about a year before the crash,
1:32:16McKenzie writes to Dom, "When you
1:32:17cheated on me, the girls didn't come up
1:32:19to you, you went up to them." To which
1:32:21Dom responds, "They came to me." He
1:32:23argues, again, it happened when they
1:32:25were on break, and quote, "You bring up
1:32:27me cheating like three times a week."
1:32:29Maybe because you cheated on me.
1:32:31McKenzie tells him the energy he needs
1:32:33to have is quote, "You hate all
1:32:36but me." Do you know how many boys I
1:32:38ignore? Like 30 a day. I'm famous. I
1:32:40need my views.
1:32:43>> What is she talking about?
1:32:44>> So, like following people on Instagram.
1:32:46She's like, "You don't need to follow
1:32:47girls, but I need to like follow people
1:32:49and interact with people online because
1:32:50I'm famous and I need my views."
1:32:53She wants him to text a girl quote, "But
1:32:56you can't even text a to get off
1:32:57your dick." "I don't even have her
1:32:59number. Get it."
1:33:02She also goes into his phone to secretly
1:33:04block girls that are liking his photos
1:33:05and she sees nothing wrong with that,
1:33:06but Dom tells her, "I get no
1:33:08privacy. Like you." One TikTok she
1:33:11posts she's reacting to what she
1:33:13believes to be a funny comment that
1:33:14reads, "Chicks be like, check your man,
1:33:16not me. I beat him up already. It's your
1:33:19turn."
1:33:20So, I don't know if there was a lot of
1:33:21trust established in their relationship
1:33:22at this point, but one of their more
1:33:24recent fights is Dom seems to be getting
1:33:26fed up with McKenzie hanging out with
1:33:28this one particular friend of
1:33:29McKenzie's. Her Let's call her G.
1:33:33Dom believes G is a sex worker and he
1:33:35doesn't like his girlfriend hanging out
1:33:37with her. Which normally, I am not a fan
1:33:39of any partner dictating who you should
1:33:41or should not be friends with, and I
1:33:42also feel like someone's occupation is
1:33:45not some sort of benchmark for their
1:33:47morality, but I guess on an objective
1:33:50level, maybe it could be warranted to
1:33:53not want a 17-year-old girl to hang out
1:33:54with a sex worker, but maybe that's
1:33:56still something her parents should be
1:33:58concerned about and getting upset about,
1:34:00but instead of Dom. DM messages between
1:34:03This is around like June 8th, 2022. This
1:34:06is the month before Dom and Davion's
1:34:08deaths. McKenzie messages Dom, do I have
1:34:11to pull up? I would answer. I would
1:34:13answer. I would answer. Let me know if
1:34:15you're actually ending this. She video
1:34:17chats Dom. He doesn't respond. Like this
1:34:19is, you know, this is a pattern that
1:34:21we've been seeing. She sends him 10
1:34:22messages all back-to-back. Let me know
1:34:24if you're actually ending this. Answer
1:34:26now. She's freaking out on him and he
1:34:28just asks her, are you going to chill
1:34:30with thoughts? Which side note, again, I
1:34:32don't necessarily like the word usage
1:34:34here to talk about someone's alleged,
1:34:36maybe, occupation, but I digress.
1:34:38McKenzie tells him, you forced me and
1:34:40made me choose between you and my
1:34:42friend. You are being abusive. She tries
1:34:44to call him. He doesn't respond. She He
1:34:47DMs, are you going to chill with
1:34:49thoughts, specifically prostitutes?
1:34:51Again, not the best word usage. Are you
1:34:54going to show love, compassion, and make
1:34:56me feel special and chase me? Yes, of
1:34:58course I will.
1:34:59I'm going to go out to eat with my
1:35:00friends when they ask me to go or go
1:35:02roller skating. That does not make me
1:35:04one of them. He responds, I'm not going
1:35:06to chase you if it's going to be toxic.
1:35:08It's not toxic. Kenzie, you choose the
1:35:11thoughts we done. Babe, I'm sorry.
1:35:14McKenzie starts demanding he stops
1:35:15hanging out with friends she doesn't
1:35:17like, to which he responds, my friends
1:35:19ain't prostitutes, babe. And you need to
1:35:21unfollow every girl you follow, too. I
1:35:22don't care if you, quote, knew them your
1:35:24whole life. If I'm not allowed to be
1:35:26friends with redacted,
1:35:28okay, then unfollow every boy you
1:35:30follow. McKenzie asks, and you need to
1:35:32buy me something really nice if I'm not
1:35:34allowed to be friends with them. And I
1:35:35don't follow boys.
1:35:37They start arguing about who's cheating
1:35:39on who and if it was cheating, if it was
1:35:40during break or not, and McKenzie tells
1:35:42him, whatever, Dom. Go be single. Then
1:35:45you obviously never loved or cared about
1:35:46me if it's easy to treat me like this.
1:35:49But instead of letting things go,
1:35:51she DMs him again.
1:35:52Why the did you just stop
1:35:53answering?" She tries to video call him
1:35:55again, but again, this is near the end
1:35:57of their relationship. Dom is standing
1:35:58his ground and is telling her, "You will
1:36:00get influenced by these people whether
1:36:02you think you will or not." McKenzie
1:36:04doesn't like that. She responds, "No,
1:36:05I'm not. I have a mind of my own. I'm
1:36:07not a follower. I'm a leader. You know
1:36:09that.
1:36:10It's a fact. Why aren't you letting me
1:36:12have a mind of my own?" "Kenzie, it's a
1:36:14proven fact. Why do you think you and me
1:36:16are exact same by now? We always had
1:36:18lots of things in common, but now we
1:36:20literally say the same We finish
1:36:22each other's sentences. Part of that is
1:36:24because we are only around each other,
1:36:26you know? Like we eat the same foods
1:36:28now. We listen to the same music, have
1:36:29the same interests. Like I want you to
1:36:31have friends, but I don't want five out
1:36:33of five of them to be prostitutes cuz I
1:36:35know you're going to start acting
1:36:36different cuz you did this last time
1:36:38when you were with her. I seen it slowly
1:36:40happen last time. It's factual."
1:36:43"Well, I'm a new me every day. I'm never
1:36:45going to do that again, and you know
1:36:46that."
1:36:48>> Do what?
1:36:49>> Exactly.
1:36:50>> What does that mean?
1:36:50>> Dom is hesitant. "I don't know, Kenzie."
1:36:53>> "Well, if you love me and want to be
1:36:54with me, you can trust me and believe
1:36:55that."
1:36:56>> Dom responds, "What happened last time?"
1:36:59Dot dot dot.
1:37:00>> "That was so long ago. That was not me.
1:37:02Just like you're not a cheater anymore
1:37:03even though you did last month."
1:37:05>> "That was 9 months ago, not 3 years
1:37:08ago."
1:37:09>> Insinuating that whatever Kenzie did was
1:37:119 months ago and what he did was 3 years
1:37:14ago.
1:37:15Later, Dom says, "No, Kenzie. Last time
1:37:17you started chilling with G, you sold
1:37:19your body. Now you're hanging with
1:37:21multiple of them." "That was over 8
1:37:24months ago."
1:37:25There have been conversations online
1:37:26that McKenzie was working as a sex
1:37:28worker before the crash, which there is
1:37:30no evidence of. I do believe the police
1:37:32went down that rabbit hole as well, but
1:37:34when you have messages like those, it
1:37:36makes you speculate. Prosecutors later
1:37:38have a detailed section in their brief
1:37:40where they write, "Possible
1:37:41prostitution, pandering, obscenities."
1:37:44Here's everything that I found going
1:37:46through the FOIA about sex work or
1:37:48potential sex work in an Instagram DM,
1:37:51which we had to comb through like 2,000
1:37:52pages for the Instagram data for the
1:37:54FOIA. She and one of her Instagram
1:37:57friends are talking about how they got
1:37:58new Dior bags. The friend says, "I need
1:38:00a few sugar daddies." McKenzie responds,
1:38:03"Real talk though, I want a foot one."
1:38:06In an Instagram DM, April 1st, 2022,
1:38:09McKenzie gets a DM from a guy named
1:38:10Mark. He asks, "Would you send me a
1:38:13picture of your belly button?" A little
1:38:15how much? How much what? Do you mean
1:38:17money?
1:38:18Mark sends an example picture and
1:38:20writes, "I would like to have a picture
1:38:21like this."
1:38:22>> Who is Mark? Like a rando?
1:38:24>> yeah. "Very close to your belly button
1:38:26and in good quality.
1:38:28Maybe like $30 for a good quality photo.
1:38:30What do you think about that?"
1:38:31"No, $30 is way too much. I would spend
1:38:34max $10 for it. It's just a picture."
1:38:36"My friends sell it for $50, so $30 was
1:38:38generous. I don't care how much your
1:38:40friends send it. It's just a picture
1:38:41with an effort of like 1 minute and you
1:38:43show your body to the world anyway."
1:38:45"I don't, but thank you. Stay weird."
1:38:48"I just have a belly button fetish
1:38:49though. It's okay if you don't want to
1:38:50do it for 10. Have a nice day."
1:38:52March 2022, she gets a message from a
1:38:54random Instagram account. Can I spoil
1:38:56you? Yes. "I'm cool with it. My snap is
1:39:00big cheese Tokyo. Hit me up and I'll
1:39:02take care of you."
1:39:04Then March 20th, 2022, some guy named
1:39:07Gary Peterson, the CEO, literally that's
1:39:09like Gary Peterson the CEO, DMs
1:39:11McKenzie. "How do you manage to being so
1:39:14hot? Hi beautiful. Sorry if this is
1:39:16going to offend you. Would you be
1:39:17interested in weekly payment allowance
1:39:18of $600 to be my online sugar baby? No
1:39:20sexual intimacy involved, just your
1:39:22online companionship." To which McKenzie
1:39:24responds, "Hey!"
1:39:26In all caps, "I'm interested. How do I
1:39:28know this is legit?" Another DM exchange
1:39:30is between another guy, person,
1:39:32individual, I don't know. McKenzie, um
1:39:35they message her. "Hello baby." "Hey."
1:39:37"How are you doing?" "Good, how about
1:39:39you?" "Where you you're baby?" "Ohio.
1:39:41It's cold here." Okay, baby, have you
1:39:43ever heard about sugar mama before?
1:39:45McKenzie stops responding.
1:39:47>> Have you heard of sugar mama?
1:39:49>> Yeah, I know. It's kind of weird, right?
1:39:51>> Okay.
1:39:51>> Yeah. These are just messages that I
1:39:53found. Then another message between
1:39:55another Snapchat user and McKenzie where
1:39:57they ask her, "Can we do this or what?"
1:39:59McKenzie responds, "Four bands." Which
1:40:01means $4,000. To which the other person
1:40:03responds, "You can have four straps of
1:40:06$1, lol." She responds, "$1,000."
1:40:10"You finger that
1:40:12for me and
1:40:14reach the destination
1:40:16while I'm doing it, then yeah, I'm
1:40:18down. Are you a squirter?"
1:40:21And she responds, "Send $1,000, we can
1:40:24link anything you want for 2500."
1:40:27>> This is she's underage.
1:40:29>> Yeah. They respond, "Um you can get cash
1:40:32money in person. No way I send
1:40:34you anything up front, especially
1:40:35$1,000, lol. So let me know when and
1:40:37where you want to do it."
1:40:38"$1,000 pics, $2,000 to link. You for
1:40:42real doing meets? Okay, if you're taking
1:40:44a month between each response, then I'm
1:40:46not interested." She reiterates, "Two
1:40:48bands to link, 1K for pics."
1:40:52>> Link meaning in person?
1:40:53>> Yes.
1:40:54McKenzie is SnapChatting this individual
1:40:56July 15th, 2022. Like 16 days before the
1:41:00crash.
1:41:01"Do you have Amazon wish list or cash
1:41:03app or needing help with anything?" Um
1:41:05she doesn't Another, you know, message
1:41:07McKenzie sends out is apparently from
1:41:09July 19th where she says, "Send me a
1:41:11band and we can link up, lol."
1:41:15The police did find several nude photos
1:41:16and videos in her phone, but there
1:41:18doesn't seem to be a clear indication
1:41:19that she sent it to anyone in exchange
1:41:21for funds. So it doesn't appear that
1:41:23anything really came out of this rabbit
1:41:25hole. However, judging from the context
1:41:27of the text messages between Dom and
1:41:29McKenzie, it feels like they're arguing
1:41:31about McKenzie potentially being paid by
1:41:33a guy to do things to her feet, and
1:41:36maybe Dom is just under the impression,
1:41:38maybe McKenzie lied. I don't know. Like,
1:41:40we don't know. These are just messages,
1:41:42but
1:41:43messages from January 25th, 2022 read
1:41:46from McKenzie to Dom, "You realize I'm
1:41:48just going to go get a sugar daddy and
1:41:49start selling feet pics, and I'm going
1:41:50to be doing just fine. So, this is
1:41:52really your last chance to handwrite me
1:41:53an apology or fix this or we're really
1:41:55done."
1:41:57Then March 5th, 2022, Dom texts
1:41:59McKenzie, "Yet you let a dude your
1:42:01feet for money like 6 months ago."
1:42:04McKenzie responds, "We were broken up.
1:42:06We were broken up and it was feet, lmao.
1:42:09Once again, then leave."
1:42:13Then June 8th, 2022, Dom writes to her,
1:42:16"Yeah, I love you, but last time you
1:42:17started hanging out with her, you
1:42:18literally let her sell your body to that
1:42:20random dude, and she hooked you up with
1:42:21the dude." "We were broken up and it was
1:42:24just my feet. Do you think about it more
1:42:25than I think about it?" "You ran off and
1:42:28became a prostitute, because I don't
1:42:30personally think it's bad, but if you do
1:42:32and we're together, then I'm not going
1:42:33to do it.
1:42:34You could never tell your family you
1:42:36were a prostitute."
1:42:38"Because it's only my business, and it's
1:42:40not a prostitution."
1:42:43June 25th, 2022, Dom tells McKenzie,
1:42:45"Kenzie, there is always going to be
1:42:47problems if you're hanging out with
1:42:48someone who got a dude to your feet
1:42:50for money." There are more messages from
1:42:52the month of June. This is again in
1:42:54June, the month before they're killed.
1:42:56Dom is really putting his foot down on
1:42:57the matter. He even unfollows McKenzie
1:42:59on Instagram, and he stops responding to
1:43:01her, and she's freaking out while he
1:43:02remains relatively calm. She's video
1:43:05calling him, "Why the aren't you
1:43:07answering? Are you just reading this?
1:43:09You can't chill with prostitutes." And
1:43:11again, the word usage here is not
1:43:14preferred, but she responds, "Answer.
1:43:17What the Answer." He says he
1:43:19unfollowed her because he doesn't want
1:43:20her messages showing up in his primary
1:43:22message inbox on Instagram. "Cuz I don't
1:43:25want your messages in my primary. I
1:43:26didn't I I didn't think you'd hit me up
1:43:28on here. I thought you was going to be
1:43:29done. I thought we broke up. I unadded
1:43:32you on everything. McKenzie is freaking
1:43:34out in all caps. If we are done, let me
1:43:36know now because I'm so over this
1:43:38manipulation. You would be so good at
1:43:40it, too, because you wrote the book on
1:43:41it. So, you know exactly how to
1:43:43manipulate people.
1:43:44Kenzie, if you want to hang with
1:43:45prostitutes, we're done. He tells her
1:43:48that one specific friend, especially
1:43:50quote, she tried to make you her
1:43:51prostitute sidekick type bring you
1:43:54on her dates and That's weird. So,
1:43:56no, you can't chill with them.
1:43:58She did not bring me on her dates. She
1:44:00has never. She did before, and that dude
1:44:02bought you a shirt or something like
1:44:04that Like, so weird.
1:44:06>> So, it sounded like something happened
1:44:09right 9 months ago.
1:44:10>> Yeah, it seems like he's like if I had
1:44:12to give him the benefit of the doubt, it
1:44:13doesn't seem like his qualm about this
1:44:16friend is based off her occupation, but
1:44:18more so that
1:44:20>> The friend is asking or
1:44:23you know, influencing McKenzie to do
1:44:25>> Or like involving her in specific
1:44:27>> under age.
1:44:28>> Yeah, exactly. So,
1:44:28>> This is a crazy crazy crazy crime for
1:44:31whoever party was involved in this whole
1:44:34>> Police do
1:44:36>> operation.
1:44:36>> Police do um pull cell bright data from
1:44:40her text messages with this friend, and
1:44:42I didn't find anything alarming in them.
1:44:45>> So, the text message doesn't show
1:44:47anything.
1:44:48>> Yeah, but the text messages was like
1:44:50>> So, are you saying we don't There's no
1:44:52solid evidence that this happened?
1:44:54>> Mhm. There's no solid evidence that this
1:44:55happened.
1:44:56It could have happened, and the police
1:44:58don't find it worth their while since
1:45:01McKenzie is already convicted of being,
1:45:03you know,
1:45:04>> Right, right, right. But I'm saying like
1:45:06whoever the dude is
1:45:08>> Yeah. So, she says And again, like I
1:45:11like I said, I don't know if there's
1:45:12proof of this happening. I just know
1:45:13that they're having a conversation as if
1:45:16it really happened.
1:45:17>> Right, right. Okay.
1:45:18>> You know. And [clears throat] McKenzie
1:45:20says she tried and it didn't work
1:45:21because I wasn't into it. You said I
1:45:23could go. I asked you first. I let you
1:45:26make your own decisions. No, you told me
1:45:28I could go, so you're not allowed to
1:45:29hold that over my head, and that man
1:45:31didn't even touch me.
1:45:32Kenzie, I'm just saying. They get into
1:45:35another fight, but interestingly, it
1:45:36seems like Kenzie's tone is softening
1:45:38down compared to a month or two prior.
1:45:40Maybe she knows that Dom isn't putting
1:45:42up with it anymore. I don't know, but he
1:45:44tells her, "Kenzie, I stand by what I
1:45:47say."
1:45:48She says, "Where did Dom go? The Dom I
1:45:50loved. This is not you. I know you know
1:45:52that, too."
1:45:54He says, "Honestly, I do." And I think
1:45:56he's referring to him standing by what
1:45:58he says. "I know you're sad and hurt on
1:46:00the inside, so you're hurting me. You're
1:46:02making me sad. You just ruined your
1:46:044-year relationship in a day, and you
1:46:05don't care."
1:46:07He responds, [music] "I got to make it
1:46:08to the top."
1:46:10"This is not how you do it. You hurt
1:46:11your number one fan."
1:46:13>> [music]
1:46:13>> "You should trust" So, he's saying, "You
1:46:15should trust that I know best. I made
1:46:17you who you are. I helped you grow into
1:46:19a loving person, because if you knew me
1:46:21at all, you would let me make my own
1:46:23decision like I let you make yours."
1:46:25>> But, who's saying right now?
1:46:26>> Kenzie. So, Kenzie's like, "Let me make
1:46:29my own decisions about who I'm friends
1:46:30with."
1:46:32It appears they make up, but like I
1:46:34said, with what everyone's been saying
1:46:35about their relationship, a lot of
1:46:37people believe that Dom was going to
1:46:38break up with Kenzie. If not soon, maybe
1:46:41eventually. And they think that's why
1:46:44Kenzie crashed the car. She knew he was
1:46:46over her. He wasn't going to stick
1:46:47around while she just did whatever she
1:46:49did. But, Kenzie and her parents refute
1:46:52this. They argue sure, they fought, but
1:46:55they were just in a young relationship
1:46:56where both of them were still learning,
1:46:57but ultimately, they loved each other
1:46:59and were probably going to get married.
1:47:01They believe that there is no way that
1:47:02Kenzie was going to crash the car
1:47:04intentionally, and that Dom was going to
1:47:05break up with her. They think none of it
1:47:07makes sense.
1:47:09Steve, Kenzie's dad in the Netflix doc,
1:47:12says, "It's tragic what happened to
1:47:13those two boys. But, think if it was
1:47:15your kid. What if Kenzie was yours? I'm
1:47:18going to fight for my daughter, and we
1:47:19have ironclad evidence that disputes
1:47:22what was said in the trial.
1:47:24In a more recent interview with the
1:47:25Daily Mail, Natalie says there were
1:47:27three people in the car. Anything could
1:47:29have happened, anything. So, all these
1:47:31people creating all these stories, it's
1:47:32just a bunch of story time. Nobody
1:47:34knows.
1:47:35Natalie says Mackenzie still behind
1:47:37bars, loves Dom, and struggles with the
1:47:40loss, but it's not like she sits there,
1:47:42you know, 24/7 not sleeping, eating,
1:47:44thinking about Dom and what happened.
1:47:46Mackenzie has actually been pretty busy
1:47:48behind bars. She has roughly 36
1:47:50misconduct tickets for violating prison
1:47:52rules. Her alleged ex-girlfriends have
1:47:54come out onto TikTok to talk about
1:47:56dating her, and her jail calls have been
1:47:58leaking online. Not even leaking,
1:47:59they've just been released in the public
1:48:01FOIA. All things that we are going to
1:48:04cover in the next part of this series.
1:48:07So, with that being said, stay tuned,
1:48:09stay safe, and I will see you in the
1:48:11next one.

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