Voddie Baucham - Harvard or Heaven — Transcript

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1. 0:05um the the question here the harv or
2. 0:08having kind of a play on words but the
3. 0:10question is what are we preparing our
4. 0:11children
5. 0:12for when we are educating our children
6. 0:15at home what's the
7. 0:18goal and for most of us the goal is a
8. 0:23university education of the highest
9. 0:25order that that that's what we I mean
10. 0:28when we think about home school we think
11. 0:29about the curriculum that we choose the
12. 0:31classes that our children are taking
13. 0:33that's the overriding goal at the
14. 0:35Forefront of our minds that drives
15. 0:39almost every decision that we
16. 0:43make here's a word of clarification
17. 0:45before we even get started here on this
18. 0:48most controversial session number one I
19. 0:52neither believe nor teach that college
20. 0:53is inherently sinful or completely
21. 0:56useless again I'm dean of theological
22. 0:58education at African Christian
23. 1:00University all right so I I I how could
24. 1:04that possibly be my
25. 1:06position secondly I do not ascribe to
26. 1:09educational
27. 1:12antinomianism do not ascribe to
28. 1:14educational antinomianism what is
29. 1:16educational an antinomianism um it's the
30. 1:20idea that education is an area where
31. 1:24God's word has nothing to
32. 1:26say that the Bible is irrelevant
33. 1:29relevant when it comes to the education
34. 1:32of our children that there are other
35. 1:34authoritative sources out there that
36. 1:38should dictate um and Define how we
37. 1:41pursue education but the Bible is not
38. 1:44one of them and especially it doesn't
39. 1:46override the others well I don't ascribe
40. 1:49to that I don't believe that God's word
41. 1:51is silent at all in this area of
42. 1:55Education um thirdly I do not believe
43. 1:58that God calls us to prepare our
44. 2:00children for college he calls us to
45. 2:02prepare them for
46. 2:04heaven we say that again I do not
47. 2:06believe that God calls us to prepare our
48. 2:08children for college but to prepare them
49. 2:11for heaven and college should only fit
50. 2:16into our goals and plans with our
51. 2:18children to the degree that it is part
52. 2:21of the stewardship of their broader life
53. 2:25as it relates to pursuing God in his
54. 2:27kingdom okay for some of our
55. 2:30children that may include
56. 2:33college for some of them it won't the
57. 2:37problem is that we treat them
58. 2:40all like college is a
59. 2:44must for every child it's just kind of
60. 2:47the normal natural next step and
61. 2:50everybody just thought to do it and if
62. 2:52you don't do it there's something wrong
63. 2:55um that's the problem and that's not
64. 2:58thinking that we get from the scriptures
65. 3:01nor is it healthy thinking at all um
66. 3:04what's wrong with college right what
67. 3:07what's what's the big deal anyway why
68. 3:10would anybody have any issues at
69. 3:14all um I don't have many issues just a
70. 3:17few number one most undergraduate
71. 3:20degrees aren't worth the paper they're
72. 3:22written
73. 3:23on most undergraduate degrees aren't
74. 3:25with the paper they
75. 3:27read um
76. 3:31at the beginning
77. 3:33of the at the beginning of the uh
78. 3:35University era there haven't been
79. 3:38universities all that long but at the
80. 3:40beginning of the University era and for
81. 3:42a long time after universities were
82. 3:44established um you could only get one of
83. 3:47very few
84. 3:48degrees um you could get degrees in
85. 3:51theology you get degrees in law and
86. 3:53Medicine um but you can only get one of
87. 3:56very few degrees now there are literally
88. 3:59hundreds of courses of study on the
89. 4:02University
90. 4:04level secondly 4 years is too much time
91. 4:07to
92. 4:08waste there's a lot of time especially
93. 4:10for what you get it's way too much time
94. 4:13to spend for what you get third $100,000
95. 4:17to $250,000 in tuition that's too much
96. 4:20money for what you get way too much
97. 4:24money for what you get um and I I leave
98. 4:26the US numbers in here because there are
99. 4:27a lot of people in this part of the
100. 4:28world and whe they what they want to do
101. 4:30is they want to go to the US for for for
102. 4:33college and problem number four college
103. 4:37is not for everyone we assume that it is
104. 4:40but college is not for everyone um and
105. 4:43it's amazing there there are some of you
106. 4:45in this room I look around the room you
107. 4:47know I'm looking for certain levels of
108. 4:49gray um and there are some of you in the
109. 4:52room just a few who probably remember a
110. 4:55time when high school had a couple of
111. 4:58different tracks right there was the
112. 5:00vocational track for people who were
113. 5:03going to learn a skill and go into a
114. 5:04vocation then there was the University
115. 5:07track for people who were likely to go
116. 5:10on to college right even if you're not
117. 5:12old enough to have gone to that school
118. 5:14you remember that that's how things used
119. 5:17to be for the most part we don't have
120. 5:19that anymore we assume that everyone is
121. 5:22supposed to be on the University
122. 5:24track just just all of a sudden that's
123. 5:26the assumption that we make
124. 5:29and finally most universities are
125. 5:31philosophically antagonistic to
126. 5:34Christianity okay other than these I
127. 5:37don't have a problem with
128. 5:39[Music]
129. 5:42college let's look at the first one most
130. 5:44undergraduate degrees don't work the
131. 5:46paper that they're written
132. 5:47on when I talk about worthless degrees
133. 5:50um there are a couple things we have to
134. 5:52sort of get in our minds to understand
135. 5:54what I mean first the million-dollar
136. 5:58myth um
137. 6:00here's the million dollar myth this is
138. 6:02the way that it's stated over an adults
139. 6:04working life high school graduates can
140. 6:06expect on average to earn about $1.2
141. 6:08million um those with a bachelor's
142. 6:10degree $2.1 million and people with
143. 6:13master's degree $2.5 million okay
144. 6:18generally speaking and so the argument
145. 6:21is that if you go to college and get a
146. 6:23college degree it's it's worth about a
147. 6:26million dollars over your lifetime um
148. 6:30listen to this from Forbes
149. 6:33Magazine the million dollar shth is a
150. 6:35favorite of college
151. 6:37barkers like many good cons this one
152. 6:41contains a kernel of truth but anyone
153. 6:43who's gotten a passing grade in
154. 6:44statistics knows what's wrong with this
155. 6:48line of argument a correlation between
156. 6:50Bas and income is not proof of cause and
157. 6:54effect again correlation cause and
158. 6:57effect two different things one doesn't
159. 6:59necess neily prove the
160. 7:01other it may reflect nothing more than
161. 7:04the fact that the economy rewards smart
162. 7:07people and smart people are more likely
163. 7:08to go to
164. 7:09college but the idea that you can take
165. 7:15those numbers and go okay great get a
166. 7:18college degree you put another million
167. 7:20dollars actually it's $900,000 in your
168. 7:22pocket um by the way that Forbes
169. 7:26magazine article was called the Great
170. 7:28College hoax
171. 7:31and this is Forbes Magazine okay this is
172. 7:34Forbes Magazine this is not some fire
173. 7:37breathing you know wing nut me this is
174. 7:40Forbes all right Financial
175. 7:43magazine the hidden facts if you think
176. 7:46about it tuition you take the average at
177. 7:52$188,000 lost
178. 7:56income loan
179. 7:58interest your total comes down from
180. 8:00$900,000 to about
181. 8:04$450,000 okay and again this is over a
182. 8:07lifetime this is over your entire life
183. 8:11expectancy there's a lot of ways to make
184. 8:14that up over a
185. 8:16lifetime uh you can invest a very small
186. 8:19amount of money early on if all you want
187. 8:22to do is make up that $450,000
188. 8:24difference over a lifetime okay it's a
189. 8:27small margin
190. 8:29secondly um there are the mountains of
191. 8:33De listen to this again from for
192. 8:35magazine higher education can be a
193. 8:37financial
194. 8:38disaster especially with the return on
195. 8:41degrees down and student loan sharks on
196. 8:43the prow um this is a huge problem uh
197. 8:47people are going into mountains of debt
198. 8:50uh in order to get degrees that for the
199. 8:53most part aren't worth the paper they're
200. 8:55written on we're not talking about
201. 8:58people who are going going into debt for
202. 9:00a a molecular biology or Aeronautical
203. 9:03Engineering degree that that's not what
204. 9:06we're talking about here um although you
205. 9:09can do those a lot less expensively as
206. 9:11well um and then there's the idea of
207. 9:15what I call
208. 9:16ndes remember when colleges and
209. 9:19universities are starting they are
210. 9:21designed they are there they exist for
211. 9:25the elite they exist for that small
212. 9:28percentage of people who need to have a
213. 9:30level of training that allows them to
214. 9:33function
215. 9:35in very limited areas usually they were
216. 9:39theology law and Medicine okay when we
217. 9:44started that's what we were doing um in
218. 9:47the United States something very
219. 9:48interesting happened uh after the Civil
220. 9:51War there are these land grants that are
221. 9:54given and these land grants given by the
222. 9:57federal government um to EST establish
223. 9:59colleges and universities especially in
224. 10:02the southern states after they had been
225. 10:04decimated by the war um and these land
226. 10:07grants all of a sudden you have like
227. 10:11thousands of Acres given to a university
228. 10:14well if all you going to train is
229. 10:16doctors and lawyers and theologians um
230. 10:20you don't need all that land so now all
231. 10:22of a sudden they start offering more
232. 10:26degrees um which actually makes makes
233. 10:29quite a bit of sense if you can do it if
234. 10:33you can get people to pay you for it um
235. 10:35better that we have more students and
236. 10:38less
237. 10:40right what do I mean when I talk about
238. 10:41worthless degrees here are some degrees
239. 10:44now mind you I'm talking about people
240. 10:47who are paying full Freight for a 4-year
241. 10:50degree in these things I'm not saying
242. 10:53that any of these things are inherently
243. 10:55worthless or sinful or evil I'm saying
244. 10:59paying full Freight for a four-year
245. 11:01degree for any one of these things is
246. 11:04outlandish
247. 11:06okay a four-year degree in
248. 11:11dance is there anything wrong with dance
249. 11:13dance is wonderful a four-year degree
250. 11:16where you pay full Freight and go into
251. 11:18debt I don't think
252. 11:20so metal smithing and jewelry these are
253. 11:23real degrees by the way what I did was I
254. 11:25went to three different universities and
255. 11:28just I I allowed myself no more than 10
256. 11:30minutes on their website um in order to
257. 11:33come up with this list because I could
258. 11:35have come up with a whole lot more than
259. 11:36these so just you know a variety and
260. 11:39sampling of universities um art history
261. 11:43art history is art history important yes
262. 11:45is art history wonderful yes fouryear
263. 11:48full Freight degree nope
264. 11:52nope um Creative
265. 11:56Photography Creative Photography
266. 11:59is it great yep fouryear full Freight
267. 12:04degree no college debt
268. 12:09no interior
269. 12:11design gay and lesbian studies or just
270. 12:16women's studies or anything with studies
271. 12:19on the end of it
272. 12:23okay packing
273. 12:26science no for real packing science
274. 12:29there's a degree in packing
275. 12:33science
276. 12:36[Music]
277. 12:37drama Golf and sports turf
278. 12:44management real degree at a number of
279. 12:48places surf
280. 12:52science they offer that at
281. 12:55UCLA
282. 12:57painting now when I say painting I do
283. 13:02not
284. 13:05mean I
285. 13:13mean full price for your degree there
286. 13:17are families who are paying for their
287. 13:20children to get these
288. 13:22degrees these are
289. 13:25worthless but it's okay and we do it why
290. 13:28here's why because we measure our worth
291. 13:33as parents of whether or not our
292. 13:35children end up with a
293. 13:37degree and so we'll pay for a worthless
294. 13:40degree so that we can say my kid
295. 13:42graduated from
296. 13:44college especially as homeschoolers
297. 13:47because we have an inferiority complex
298. 13:49anyway and everybody's looking at us and
299. 13:52they're judging us and they're saying
300. 13:54you're going to mess up your kid they're
301. 13:56not going to you know be properly
302. 13:58socialized they're not going to be
303. 14:00properly educated and so we want to be
304. 14:03able to wave that
305. 14:04degree right we go into debt so that we
306. 14:07can look at him and say I do have value
307. 14:10I am a good person my kid got a
308. 14:14degree in C
309. 14:17[Music]
310. 14:20right but wait I know somebody who makes
311. 14:24good money with one of those degrees
312. 14:27folks the worth of a degree is not
313. 14:30determined by whether or not a person
314. 14:32can make money with it there are a lot
315. 14:36of people who make money with a lot of
316. 14:37degrees that doesn't determine its worth
317. 14:40by the way when you talk about these
318. 14:43universities which were established
319. 14:45mainly for three areas of study theology
320. 14:48medicine and
321. 14:50law guess who made the least amount of
322. 14:52money among the people who graduated
323. 14:54with those three degrees the theologians
324. 14:57does that mean that it was worth less
325. 15:00than the
326. 15:01others you still don't make as much
327. 15:05money with a theology degree as you do
328. 15:08with some other degrees but does that
329. 15:11mean that they are worth less
330. 15:14somehow is all we're measuring this idea
331. 15:17of how much money people
332. 15:19make
333. 15:21okay um a lot of the these degrees by
334. 15:24the way have nothing to do with whether
335. 15:27or not you need a college education
336. 15:29they have to do with um the power of
337. 15:33certain
338. 15:34industries for example if I'm in inter
339. 15:37interior design right um if I'm an
340. 15:41interior design in in this area and I
341. 15:43have an interior design firm
342. 15:47um and anybody can do interior design um
343. 15:50I'm probably not going to be able to
344. 15:52charge you a premium for my services but
345. 15:54if I can get in collusion with a
346. 15:56university and we can determine that in
347. 15:59order to be certified as an interior
348. 16:02design expert in this city you have to
349. 16:06have a degree from a an institution that
350. 16:09has an accredited interior design
351. 16:12program well now all of a sudden I do
352. 16:14two things number one I create a barrier
353. 16:17and a bar for my competition right and
354. 16:21secondly I make an excuse for me to be
355. 16:23able to charge you a
356. 16:26premium it has nothing to do with
357. 16:29whether or not college level knowledge
358. 16:32is necessary for the
359. 16:35job it's a
360. 16:37racket
361. 16:40[Music]
362. 16:42okay this is from Michael gar president
363. 16:45of the American Library Association and
364. 16:48he's a librarian Cal State Fresno
365. 16:51literacy experts and Educators say they
366. 16:53are stunned by the results of a recent
367. 16:56adult literacy assessment which shows
368. 16:58that the reading proficiency of college
369. 17:01graduates we're talking about
370. 17:03graduates can can I we all understand
371. 17:06that we're talking about people who who
372. 17:08who got the
373. 17:10paper right reading literacy of college
374. 17:13graduates has declined in the past
375. 17:15decade with no obvious
376. 17:18explanation it's appalling it's really
377. 17:20astounding only 31% of college graduates
378. 17:24can read a complex book and extrapolate
379. 17:26from it that's not saying much for the
380. 17:29remainder I means
381. 17:3169% can't do
382. 17:34that 69% of college graduates by the way
383. 17:39anyone who works in human
384. 17:42[Music]
385. 17:43resources or any entrepreneurs out there
386. 17:47who um have a business um where you've
387. 17:51had to hire recent college
388. 17:53graduates you know this you know that
389. 17:57they're
390. 17:57idiots they don't know anything they
391. 18:00have no work ethic most of them have
392. 18:02never had a job they know virtually
393. 18:06nothing and you've got to teach them
394. 18:08everything okay and when you look at the
395. 18:12things that employers out there want and
396. 18:16are desperate to find right character
397. 18:21competency a willingness to learn the
398. 18:24ability to pick up tasks right and
399. 18:27assimilate new information so so you
400. 18:29look at all of these things that people
401. 18:30out there are looking for none of them
402. 18:33are Tau at
403. 18:35College none of them not one of them
404. 18:41okay well let's look at this time frame
405. 18:45these four years and it's not any four
406. 18:47years it's the four years from 18 to
407. 18:4922 these are vital years in our careers
408. 18:52at this time we start families at this
409. 18:54time by the way we used to start
410. 18:56families at this time um people are
411. 18:58starting families way later than they
412. 19:00ever had before and one of the main
413. 19:02reasons is we've bought this lie that
414. 19:05everybody has to have a college degree
415. 19:07and by the way nowadays quite honestly
416. 19:10we're almost at the point where we say
417. 19:12everybody has to have a graduate
418. 19:14degree
419. 19:16right I I've had conversations with
420. 19:18people you know well you know we're
421. 19:20going to get married and you know and
422. 19:23you know we've been together for five
423. 19:24years and we you've been together for
424. 19:26five years when you going to get married
425. 19:28next week no we're going to get married
426. 19:30in you know
427. 19:322018 what you what are you talking about
428. 19:36well you know I'm in grad school right
429. 19:37now and let's just stop talking you
430. 19:39going to make me S let's just let's just
431. 19:40not have this conversation
432. 19:43anymore and so we're putting off
433. 19:45marriage longer and longer and longer
434. 19:50okay fertility rates are plummeting why
435. 19:54because a lot of young women are taking
436. 19:55their most fertile years and giving them
437. 19:58to
438. 20:02Academia you can't say Amen you to say
439. 20:06ouch and then later on we supposed to
440. 20:09just be able to turn it on and
441. 20:10everything be no doesn't necessarily
442. 20:13work like that
443. 20:21okay and if we're not careful this is
444. 20:23the period when we can limit our options
445. 20:26how do we limit our
446. 20:27options here's the problem with a lot of
447. 20:30the degrees that people are getting
448. 20:31today um because we look at the
449. 20:34University as as more of a trade school
450. 20:37now people go and get degrees that are
451. 20:40highly specialized they come out of
452. 20:42college with these highly specialized
453. 20:44degrees and often times they're highly
454. 20:46specialized degrees that everybody's
455. 20:47going to get at the same time because
456. 20:49the field is hot right now right and
457. 20:51then you get out with this highly
458. 20:53specialized degree and you can't find a
459. 20:55job but you also can't go work in other
460. 20:57Industries because your highly
461. 20:59specialized degree didn't give you what
462. 21:00you needed in order to be able to go to
463. 21:02these other Industries right and it's a
464. 21:05vicious cycle that goes round and round
465. 21:09and round
466. 21:14okay the money it's just too
467. 21:18expensive um the economy is down but
468. 21:22tuition is
469. 21:24up families are going into
470. 21:27debt to pay for school here's what's
471. 21:30amazing um and this this this was
472. 21:33amazing in the
473. 21:34US a few years ago um if you know you
474. 21:39remember the the the Big Gas crisis and
475. 21:43gas prices were going through the roof
476. 21:45and oil companies were very happy then
477. 21:47not very happy now right um if you
478. 21:50remember this several years ago when
479. 21:52they introduced the the bag fee on the
480. 21:56airlines youall remember this I I
481. 21:58remember this I remember it we're going
482. 22:01to charge you $25 per bag as a fuel
483. 22:05surcharge because fuel was so expensive
484. 22:08guess what fuel has gone down they still
485. 22:11charge the back
486. 22:13feet right they're making bigger profits
487. 22:17than they ever have because fuel is
488. 22:18cheaper than it's ever been and they
489. 22:20still charge the bag fee but I'm not b
490. 22:22um so during this time I remember you
491. 22:26know the the price of gas gasoline was
492. 22:29just climbing and climbing and climbing
493. 22:32and there were people calling their
494. 22:34Congressman there were marches in
495. 22:36Washington DC because people are going
496. 22:39these gas prices are just too high we've
497. 22:43got to do something about it well
498. 22:46tuition prices have increased more than
499. 22:48fuel prices and nobody's marching over
500. 22:51that you
501. 22:53[Music]
502. 22:55know nobody says a word
503. 22:59please sir can I have some
504. 23:02more they can charge us whatever they
505. 23:05want to because they know they own
506. 23:09us your selfworth is tied up in
507. 23:15this I'll charge you whatever I want to
508. 23:19and you'll pay it and if you can't pay
509. 23:22it you'll do whatever you have to in
510. 23:26order to get it
511. 23:29because this is the altar at which you
512. 23:31worship and it's a
513. 23:33non-negotiable and We Know It And we
514. 23:40know Luke 14 28-30 for which of you
515. 23:44Desiring to build a tower does not first
516. 23:46sit down and count the cost whether he
517. 23:49has enough to complete it otherwise when
518. 23:52he has laid a foundation and is not able
519. 23:54to finish all who see it begin to mock
520. 23:57him saying this this man began to build
521. 24:00and was not able to finish it's
522. 24:02interesting not only do you have young
523. 24:03people putting off marriage um because
524. 24:07you got to wait until you finish college
525. 24:09but then you have young people putting
526. 24:10off marriage because I've finished
527. 24:12college and now I have huge amounts of
528. 24:15debt so we've got to do something about
529. 24:17this debt before we can afford to get
530. 24:24married meet to Joneses
531. 24:28they're members of your local
532. 24:30church they show up one Sunday with a
533. 24:34brand new
534. 24:35car it's $100,000
535. 24:39mercedesbenz they financed 90% of
536. 24:44them what do you
537. 24:46say more important than what do you say
538. 24:49what do you
539. 24:50think what do you think I mean come on
540. 24:52now let's be honest I mean the Jones are
541. 24:54not rich people right they're just kind
542. 24:57of your average Church members and they
543. 24:59show up next Sunday they got this
544. 25:00$100,000
545. 25:02mercedesbenz they financed 90% of it
546. 25:05they went in $90,000 of debt over this
547. 25:08car and you're going what is wrong with
548. 25:13you what if instead of they showed up
549. 25:16Sunday with a new car they showed up
550. 25:18with a in
551. 25:20tuition wasn't $100,000 Mercedes-Benz
552. 25:23but it was $100,000 State School degree
553. 25:26they didn't Finance 90% of it they find
554. 25:28that's 100% of
555. 25:30it we wouldn't
556. 25:34blink we wouldn't
557. 25:40blink and the fact of the matter is 10
558. 25:42years from now they could probably get
559. 25:44more out of the
560. 25:47car than I of to created pay
561. 25:50for If we're
562. 25:51honest especially depending on what was
563. 25:55studied
564. 25:59young
565. 26:00families delaying marriage starting off
566. 26:03in
567. 26:05debt college debt has risen to over 800
568. 26:09billion in the US and now exceeds credit
569. 26:13card and auto loan debt
570. 26:18combined the rise of private student
571. 26:21lending closely parallels the subprime
572. 26:25mortgage boom which went from 8% % of
573. 26:29loan origination in 2003 to 20% in 2006
574. 26:32you heard about the big housing crisis
575. 26:35the big housing bubble
576. 26:37right for the housing meltdown s that
577. 26:41mortgage sector over the
578. 26:43cliff private student loans resemble
579. 26:46subprime mortgages in other
580. 26:49ways as Banks and Brokers did with
581. 26:52subprime Home Loans colleges and the
582. 26:56lenders in the host with them commonly
583. 26:58Market private student loans alongside
584. 27:00lower cost Alternatives blurring the
585. 27:03difference so look at these two the
586. 27:06housing bubble and the college bubble
587. 27:07what happened easy access to low
588. 27:09interest interest government
589. 27:12loans that was one of the main
590. 27:14precipitating factor in the mortgage
591. 27:16meltdown what do we have in
592. 27:18college college loans are even easier to
593. 27:23get the sub Pride mortgage at least you
594. 27:26had to fill out application to show you
595. 27:27had to you had a job right you had to
596. 27:31show that you had a certain amount of
597. 27:32income to get a college
598. 27:35loan not only can you not show that you
599. 27:37have a job but the very nature of the
600. 27:40loan requires that you don't have a
601. 27:43job and you don't even have to show that
602. 27:46they're loaning you money for a degree
603. 27:48that is going to allow you to be able to
604. 27:49pay it back they don't
605. 27:52care they don't
606. 27:55care housing prices Rose
607. 27:58as easy government money flooded the
608. 28:00market it's very important to understand
609. 28:02that what happened was you know the it
610. 28:06became easier to get a a home loan so
611. 28:09there were more houses being sold so the
612. 28:11price of houses went up folks the same
613. 28:14thing is happening with college
614. 28:16tuition it's interesting the more
615. 28:19government money there is the higher the
616. 28:22prices
617. 28:23rise and so we're all excited that the
618. 28:26government you know is now stepping in
619. 28:28and lending people money for college
620. 28:30when the fact of the matter is that
621. 28:32makes the product more
622. 28:34expensive it's completely out of whack
623. 28:37now the cost benefit analysis doesn't
624. 28:39work a college degree is not worth the
625. 28:42cost
626. 28:44anymore and it's only going to get more
627. 28:46out of that and people are not going to
628. 28:48walk away from it which is why it's
629. 28:51going to continue to get
630. 28:54crazy lacking honest input 3/4 of high
631. 28:57school schoolers still seek to go on to
632. 29:00college many deluded about the financial
633. 29:02Prospect it holds part of the drive is
634. 29:05the idea that it pays we need somebody
635. 29:08making more realistic statements about
636. 29:11the risks again fors
637. 29:16magazine and then the whole idea of the
638. 29:19cost benefit analysis just doesn't
639. 29:24work next college is not for everyone
640. 29:31not everyone has the academic ability to
641. 29:32go to college
642. 29:36now unfortunately what we've
643. 29:39done is we've lowered the standard so
644. 29:43that we can get more people into college
645. 29:46people who have no business in college
646. 29:47who are going to
647. 29:49college I'm listen to this from USA
648. 29:51Today of the 12 California state
649. 29:54colleges state university colleges 60%
650. 29:57of the the students need remediation a
651. 30:00Florida study shows at least 70% of
652. 30:02recent high school graduates need
653. 30:03remedial courses when they enter
654. 30:05Community College in other words they
655. 30:07need to learn material they should have
656. 30:09mastered in public high school but did
657. 30:12not costing an extra $59 million per
658. 30:15year
659. 30:17now we're going to start a university
660. 30:19right so you all are going to be my
661. 30:22Board of Trustees okay so I'm coming
662. 30:25before you as my Board of Trustees and
663. 30:26I'm making a recommendation
664. 30:28here's my recommendation um we've got X
665. 30:31number of students right and that's
666. 30:33great tuition is coming in we're all
667. 30:35making money and that's good I would
668. 30:38like to bring even more students in to
669. 30:42the university well as a responsible
670. 30:45Board of Trustees you're going to ask me
671. 30:47say wait a minute are are there more
672. 30:49students who are qualified to come to
673. 30:50our University NOP no they're not um in
674. 30:52fact these students wouldn't pass our
675. 30:55current entrance requirements well my
676. 30:57response Bo of Trustees would probably
677. 30:59object right no we're not going to do
678. 31:01that you have to lower the entire
679. 31:03standard of the no no wait a minute time
680. 31:05out okay these students are going to
681. 31:08come in il equipped and we're going to
682. 31:10offer them remedial courses to bring
683. 31:13them up to speed which means that
684. 31:16instead of graduating in four years it's
685. 31:18going to take in five and they're going
686. 31:20to pay us full tuition for the remedial
687. 31:24courses which means we get to suck
688. 31:26another year tuition
689. 31:28out of these unqualified
690. 31:30students will make
691. 31:35millions and that's exactly what they
692. 31:39do exactly what they do and then they
693. 31:42come back to next year and it's like
694. 31:44okay these people are coming but they're
695. 31:45not staying here 5 years they're
696. 31:47flunking out that's okay here's a list
697. 31:50of degrees that we can now offer that
698. 31:54these students could actually stay in
699. 31:56and complete over the course of their
700. 31:59five
701. 32:01years do you see how this works
702. 32:04folks and so the worthless degrees
703. 32:07continue to
704. 32:08proliferate because it
705. 32:12pays because we've first sold the idea
706. 32:16that everyone has to go to
707. 32:20college
708. 32:23everyone secondly some people are better
709. 32:26suited for non- colge
710. 32:29trades some people are better suited for
711. 32:32non- col
712. 32:34trades um it's interesting for our 10th
713. 32:38anniversary U my my wife bought me a a
714. 32:41lovely watch a lovely time piece it was
715. 32:44not this watch it's a really nice watch
716. 32:46and it's one these automatic watches and
717. 32:48you know the automatic time movement
718. 32:49it's beautiful beautiful watch and so
719. 32:53it's one of the watches that every once
720. 32:55in a while you have to take them in they
721. 32:56have to be serviced you know
722. 32:58and
723. 33:00um we would take it to this Jeweler he
724. 33:03would service the watch and he had this
725. 33:05deal that said you know certified Rolex
726. 33:08technician whatever to watch is not a
727. 33:10Rolex um I wish
728. 33:13was we got anniversary coming up though
729. 33:15so maybe okay um so so I just asked him
730. 33:20about that and he said you know it's
731. 33:23real interesting it's just the tools
732. 33:25that I have to have to work on these
733. 33:27watches um is worth about
734. 33:30$40,000 but man that's that must be a
735. 33:33tough field to get into he goes no
736. 33:35actually right now it's not there aren't
737. 33:38enough watch technicians everybody wants
738. 33:40to go to college so Rolex at that time
739. 33:43was giving away the
740. 33:47tools if you just if you just if you
741. 33:50just go right and enter into the trade
742. 33:53and be taught an apprentice they were
743. 33:55giving away the tools
744. 33:58because they can't find people to do
745. 34:02this
746. 34:03work there are a lot of trads out there
747. 34:06like that where you just can't find
748. 34:09people to do the work because they're
749. 34:11all off going into debt for some
750. 34:15non-degree because somehow we just don't
751. 34:18think that it's honorable to work in the
752. 34:20trades
753. 34:22anymore many non- col trades are in
754. 34:25desperate need because of it I had this
755. 34:27picture My Mind of a commercial you know
756. 34:29it's a commercial for for this message
757. 34:32um and the commercial for this message
758. 34:35would be something like this there would
759. 34:37be this this this couple at home and
760. 34:40they would be talking about you know
761. 34:41their kid going to college and they
762. 34:43would obviously be having a disagreement
763. 34:45about whether or not the kid needs to go
764. 34:46to college and you know the one parent
765. 34:50you know is saying well you know it's
766. 34:52really not necessary to go to college
767. 34:53there are other things that they can do
768. 34:54there are trades and the other parent is
769. 34:57saying if they don't have a college
770. 34:59they're not going to be able to to to
771. 35:01provide for themselves they're not going
772. 35:03to be able to get a good job they're not
773. 35:04going to be able but during this
774. 35:06commercial what's going to happen is the
775. 35:09one who says that you got to go to
776. 35:11college is going to be writing checks
777. 35:13and the carpenter who just did the
778. 35:15remodel on their kitchen who didn't go
779. 35:17to college gets a fat check right the
780. 35:21guy who put in their swimming pool who
781. 35:23didn't go to college he gets a fat check
782. 35:26the electrician who comes to do the
783. 35:29electrical work he gets a fat check all
784. 35:32the while this person who's writing fat
785. 35:34checks to people who didn't go to
786. 35:35college and make a good honorable living
787. 35:39is saying you just can't do
788. 35:45it fact of the matter is you
789. 35:48can and people
790. 35:50do and there are a lot of honorable
791. 35:53trades out there that also happened to
792. 35:56be lucrative and we don't even think
793. 35:58about it anymore why because our
794. 36:02selfworth is tied up in that piece of
795. 36:06paper we don't care about the kid we
796. 36:10don't care about their future we care
797. 36:13about our
798. 36:15reputation and we just wouldn't be able
799. 36:17to Puff our chest out with pride if they
800. 36:21did some non College train
801. 36:28well what about my
802. 36:31kid analyze gifts talents and abilities
803. 36:35okay that's Proverbs
804. 36:39226 train a child the way should go when
805. 36:42he's older will not depart from it it's
806. 36:44interesting um that that that word the
807. 36:47way he should go is his
808. 36:49bent according to his
809. 36:54bent analyze desires and calling
810. 36:59asking college is
811. 37:02necessary we're not doing that we're not
812. 37:05asking if it's necessary we just assume
813. 37:08that that's the next step it's the 13th
814. 37:12grade right it's the 13th
815. 37:17grade seek the
816. 37:21Lord do those
817. 37:23steps finally most universities are
818. 37:27philosophic Al antagonistic
819. 37:30Christianity this one amaz it amazes me
820. 37:32that we have to even talk about this one
821. 37:35in hom School
822. 37:36circles because ultimately what we see
823. 37:39and this is another thing that surprised
824. 37:41me um when I when I entered into homes
825. 37:43School world and started going to
826. 37:44homeschool conferences and then started
827. 37:45speaking at hes School conferences and
828. 37:47meting people at homes School
829. 37:48conferences there were a number of
830. 37:49things that shocked me one of the things
831. 37:52that shocked me was the people who were
832. 37:55like you know no there's no way I'm
833. 37:56sending my kid down to you know to that
834. 37:59high school and you know I'm never put
835. 38:01them in that environment and you know
836. 38:03they need to learn this and you know
837. 38:05Jesus the center of education and
838. 38:08Christian education and biblical
839. 38:09worldview and they finish and then they
840. 38:13send the fatted calf off to the State
841. 38:19University not because that State
842. 38:22University happens to be the only place
843. 38:25that offers the particular degree that's
844. 38:26getting no you can get that degree
845. 38:29anywhere anywhere but they send them off
846. 38:32to the Godless
847. 38:34University instead of finding someplace
848. 38:37where you can
849. 38:39continue to treat education like Christ
850. 38:43is Lord of
851. 38:45all that just it amazed me and there was
852. 38:47no there were no qualms about it what do
853. 38:51you what do you mean of course that's
854. 38:52what we do that's what you that's what
855. 38:54you it's not what we do
856. 38:58wait a minute these principles about
857. 39:00education they they carry over Beyond
858. 39:0518 yeah actually they
859. 39:07do they
860. 39:11do these enemies of God who are they
861. 39:13well
862. 39:14professors right we looked at some of
863. 39:17these passages on
864. 39:19yesterday Psalm 111 blessed a man who
865. 39:21does not walk in the counsil of the
866. 39:23wicked stand in the way of Sinners sit
867. 39:26in the SE of scoffers but his Delight is
868. 39:29in the law of the Lord and on his law he
869. 39:31meditates day and night does that no
870. 39:33longer become true when you reach
871. 39:35College
872. 39:39Age The Fool says in his heart there is
873. 39:42no God they are corrupt they do
874. 39:43abominable Deeds there is none who does
875. 39:46good that sounds like a University
876. 39:47campus to
877. 39:50me deciple is not above his teacher but
878. 39:52everyone when he is fully trained will
879. 39:54be like his
880. 39:56teacher are those are the people that we
881. 39:58want discipling our children even when
882. 40:01they're adults um priorities which are
883. 40:05enemies of God not just people but
884. 40:09priorities again Romans 12:2 do not be
885. 40:12conformed to this world but be
886. 40:14transformed by the renewal of your mind
887. 40:16that by testing you may discern what is
888. 40:18the will of God what is good and
889. 40:20acceptable and
890. 40:22perfect programs there are programs out
891. 40:25there
892. 40:28that are absolutely opposed to God his
893. 40:32kingdom and his
894. 40:34truth psychology for
895. 40:37example the very fundamentals of
896. 40:40psychology are
897. 40:41anti-christian right and the interesting
898. 40:44thing is you have people who recognize
899. 40:47this and so they want to redeem
900. 40:49psychology so they go to the state
901. 40:50school where they're going to be taught
902. 40:52Psychology from an anti-christian
903. 40:55perspective so that they can get the
904. 40:57degree
905. 40:57and then go practice what they haven't
906. 40:59been
907. 41:03taught how's that working for
908. 41:06you and ultimately what they end up
909. 41:08being is
910. 41:09psychologists who happen to be Christian
911. 41:11who do the same thing that the
912. 41:12non-Christian psychologists do they just
913. 41:15pray before and
914. 41:23after are the
915. 41:25pupils who are whoever walks with the
916. 41:27wise becomes wise but the companion of
917. 41:29fools will suffer harm listen to this
918. 41:33from Richard Bard this is the
919. 41:34sanctification of your studies when they
920. 41:36are devoted to God and when he is the
921. 41:38end the object and the life of them all
922. 41:41so here's the question what if College
923. 41:43gears for my
924. 41:45care what do I
925. 41:47do um do it as quickly as
926. 41:51possible make the most of the time
927. 41:53because the days are evil Paul says in
928. 41:55Ephesians right do it as quickly as
929. 41:57possible
930. 41:59don't linger all
931. 42:02right do it as inexpensively as
932. 42:06possible be a good
933. 42:09Steward do it as safely as
934. 42:12possible okay do it as safely as
935. 42:16possible these are the principles that
936. 42:18we follow okay no matter who we are no
937. 42:22matter what our child is going to end up
938. 42:24studying these are the principles that
939. 42:26we follow
940. 42:28what are some options um some options
941. 42:31like one option uh is college plus you
942. 42:34guys heard of college plus okay um you
943. 42:39can use College plus get a fully
944. 42:42accredited degree never step on a
945. 42:43college campus between 1 and A2 and 2
946. 42:45and 1/2 years somewhere around 20,000 us
947. 42:50total okay um one of our children did
948. 42:55did this um online degree
949. 42:57there are ways that you can that you can
950. 42:59study online um and that saves you often
951. 43:03saves you a lot of money it often saves
952. 43:05you a lot of time and it's often a lot
953. 43:07safer to do it that way um combination
954. 43:10of uh distance learning and other types
955. 43:13of of distance learning and a
956. 43:15combination of distance learning and
957. 43:16Campus Learning what I mean by that well
958. 43:19College plus uses a lot of testing that
959. 43:23you can do to test out of certain
960. 43:24classes okay um but let's say that you
961. 43:27were going to do a Degree in
962. 43:29Aeronautical Engineering and you can get
963. 43:31into you know whatever this the best
964. 43:34Aeronautical Engineering School that you
965. 43:36can think of um okay fine go there and
966. 43:40do your classes in Aeronautical
967. 43:42Engineering but don't go there and do
968. 43:45psychology why why would you do that do
969. 43:48that stuff through distance learning or
970. 43:52through KP test Dante test whatever so
971. 43:54that when you show up on campus if you
972. 43:57have to go to you know a a a such a
973. 44:01campus when you show up you show up
974. 44:03toward the end only taking classes in
975. 44:05your major not those classes with the
976. 44:08philosophical underpinings
977. 44:11right again as quickly as possible as
978. 44:14inexpensively as possible as safely as
979. 44:16possible there are a lot of ways to get
980. 44:19this done all
981. 44:21right I'm not here to tell you that
982. 44:24nobody should do
983. 44:25it again that would be
984. 44:28ridiculous I'm Dean at the University I
985. 44:31wouldn't tell you that okay I'm not
986. 44:33telling you that nobody should do it but
987. 44:35I am telling you that if you're going to
988. 44:36do it number one you need to make sure
989. 44:39that you're doing it because you have
990. 44:41determined that for this child in
991. 44:43particular this is the best
992. 44:49path it might not be don't assume that
993. 44:52it is okay and if you've made that
994. 44:55determination do it as quickly as you
995. 44:56can can as inexpensively as you can and
996. 45:00as safely as you can and there are a
997. 45:02variety of different tools out there
998. 45:04that you can use in order to accomplish
999. 45:07this but this whole idea that we just
1000. 45:10walk through life like lemings and we
1001. 45:13educate our children and then we just
1002. 45:15sit them off to you know whatever you no
1003. 45:18we can't do that we can't do that
1004. 45:21anymore
1005. 45:22okay all right we've got like 5 minutes
1006. 45:29questions that I can answer
1007. 45:31quickly or whatever they are I can
1008. 45:33answer them
1009. 45:36quickly
1010. 45:41anybody no
1011. 45:45questions
1012. 45:47none yeah must have
1013. 45:52huh yes there's some online
1014. 45:59get probably aren't too good either is
1015. 46:02that
1016. 46:03correct the question is aren't there
1017. 46:06online degrees that you can get that
1018. 46:08probably aren't too good either yeah
1019. 46:09there are you can still get you so you
1020. 46:11can still go to the worthless degree
1021. 46:13route but then you do it online and then
1022. 46:15you it's still a worthless degree um and
1023. 46:18that's why you know I said the
1024. 46:21assessment has to take place first we
1025. 46:23can't we don't just do this just for the
1026. 46:26sake think of doing it you know um and
1027. 46:29and yeah we make we need to make sure
1028. 46:31that we're being good
1029. 46:33stewards and that's just not good
1030. 46:39stewardship with even like Christian
1031. 46:43institutions more
1032. 46:46Lial what like what kind of jig do you
1033. 46:49think we need to Chris sending our
1034. 46:51school kids off to Christian Schools
1035. 46:54yeah the question is about Christian
1036. 46:56schools and then become liberalized or
1037. 46:57and secularized and what kind of due
1038. 47:00diligence do we need to do um before
1039. 47:02sending our children there it's a great
1040. 47:03question because one of the one of the
1041. 47:05most dangerous things that you can do is
1042. 47:09just
1043. 47:10assume that hey this is a Christian
1044. 47:13school it's a safe place uh cuz the fact
1045. 47:16of the matter is for example the
1046. 47:18overwhelming majority of Christian
1047. 47:21schools in their psychology faculty they
1048. 47:23have people who are just like what I
1049. 47:25described they went to secular
1050. 47:27institutions and got psychology degrees
1051. 47:31and were discipled and inundated with a
1052. 47:34view of psychology that was antithetical
1053. 47:36to biblical Christianity but they
1054. 47:38happened to be members of a church they
1055. 47:40happen to know Jesus as Savior and Lord
1056. 47:42and so now they go to the Christian
1057. 47:43School to teach psychology there but all
1058. 47:46they know is the version that they've
1059. 47:48been taught so you're getting the same
1060. 47:50thing that you would get over at the
1061. 47:52state school these people don't even
1062. 47:53have a concept of teaching this uh from
1063. 47:56from a Biblical perspective or a
1064. 47:57Biblical worldview um so you would
1065. 48:00really need to um ask questions like
1066. 48:04that how do you incorporate your
1067. 48:06convictions and your theological
1068. 48:09convictions in your various degree
1069. 48:12programs right um I do want to talk to
1070. 48:15you about your professors in in Bible
1071. 48:18and Theology and all that stuff right
1072. 48:21but but I really want to talk to you
1073. 48:23about the guy who teaches
1074. 48:25biology that that's what that's what I
1075. 48:27want to know about okay cuz you can have
1076. 48:30wonderful faculty over here teaching you
1077. 48:33know um New Testament survey and Old
1078. 48:36Testament survey and then the guy in the
1079. 48:38biology class you know is from the gyu
1080. 48:41by way of the zoo right um so we do we
1081. 48:46have to do our due diligence and and we
1082. 48:48have to ask those questions as a Dean at
1083. 48:51a Christian University um who's trying
1084. 48:55you know we're try we're still trying to
1085. 48:57to finish up our faculty it's very
1086. 49:00difficult to find Christian faculty in
1087. 49:04certain disciplines it's n unto
1088. 49:07impossible to find Christian faculty in
1089. 49:10certain disciplines that know how to
1090. 49:12apply their Christianity to their
1091. 49:14discipline okay cuz it's just not being
1092. 49:17done you know um so
1093. 49:25[Music]
1094. 49:27all right thank you
1095. 49:31[Applause]