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0:00He was literally two days away from
0:02dying. So, this is a story where a
0:0415-year-old boy was diagnosed with blood
0:06cancer, but he developed a flesh-eating
0:08infection in his lung. He wasn't going
0:10to make it. So, he has one request. He
0:13wants to go outside, and that's exactly
0:14what they do. And this was actually
0:16mind-blowing to me. After the second
0:18day, the infection is probably 60-70%
0:20gone, and it became clear to me that
0:22sunlight has so many important benefits.
0:25For instance, if you're the bed closer
0:27to the window, you get discharged from
0:28the hospital faster. So, I want you to
0:30give me any any information you have as
0:32it relates to light health. For example,
0:34do you recommend these kinds of things?
0:38Dr. Roger Seholt is a board-certified
0:40critical care physician who breaks down
0:42complex science into clear, life-saving
0:44advice. I see people at the very end of
0:46their lives, so I know what prevents
0:48them from getting this ill and how to
0:50extend life. So, let's distill it down
0:52into eight pillars. The first thing that
0:54exercise, it reduces stroke, it reduces
0:57depression. Next, sunlight. Did you know
0:59that infrared lights from the sun is
1:01able to penetrate up to about 8 mm and
1:04stimulate and upregulate melatonin,
1:06which prevent a lot of diseases like
1:07dementia, cardiovascular disease,
1:09diabetes.
1:10>> What if you live in a cloudy country?
1:11>> There's some very actionable things that
1:13you can do, and we'll talk about that.
1:15Next one, water. For instance, people
1:16who use sauna are more likely to have
1:19less death from cardiovascular disease.
1:21Next, air. There are studies that show
1:23that just going out one day a week can
1:25elevate our immune system and make us
1:27more relaxed. And then there's
1:30But finally, trust. This is something
1:31that can't be ignored because studies
1:34have shown that people who have a good
1:36faith and trust in a God are good.
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2:01thank you so much because in a strange
2:02way you are you're part of our history
2:05and you're on this journey with us and I
2:06appreciate you for that. So, yeah, thank
2:08you.
2:12Dr. Roger Schwelt.
2:14With the work that you do, what is it
2:16that you're aiming to accomplish?
2:19Outside of my clinical duties, uh and
2:21maybe even part of that, I would like to
2:24clearly
2:25explain
2:28very easily graspable tools that can be
2:31implemented to make people live their
2:34best life and it's specifically in terms
2:36of their health and their well-being.
2:38And as we dig down into health and
2:39well-being cuz that's quite a broad
2:41Yeah.
2:41>> basket, what is it within health and
2:43well-being that you've spent your
2:44career, your life focusing on? So, I'm a
2:47board-certified internal medicine
2:49specialist. Then I did an extra 3 years
2:51of training uh here in the United States
2:53on pulmonary and critical care. So, I
2:55deal with all of the issues that are
2:56related to the lungs and the critical
2:58care aspect. So, if you are uh
3:00if you were admitted to a hospital and
3:02you're critically ill, you'd go to the
3:04intensive care unit. I'm the doctor that
3:05you see. So, I'm putting in, you know,
3:08the lines, putting them on vasopressors,
3:10intubating them. Uh I worked in the
3:12clinic this morning.
3:13And what are some of the unappreciated
3:15things that most people don't think of
3:16cuz we think of, you know, don't eat
3:18processed food and exercise. But, is
3:20there things outside of that that you
3:22don't think the average person
3:24appreciates enough? Yes, absolutely.
3:26What are those things? So, if we look at
3:28those things that extend life
3:32and are beneficial, we could put them
3:35into what I call eight pillars of
3:37health. If you can imagine your life is
3:41uh a chain with a bunch of links, okay?
3:43And I'm talking medically.
3:45Each one of those links is an organ
3:47system.
3:48So, your heart is a link. Your lungs are
3:51a link. Your liver is a link. Your
3:52kidneys, etc., etc.
3:54As you go through life, imagine those
3:56links starting to erode.
3:59So that at some point in your life,
4:01you're going to get some sort of a
4:02disease or a diagnosis that focuses on
4:05one organ system of your life. For many
4:07here in the United States and in the UK,
4:09it's the heart.
4:10And as that link gets more eroded,
4:14we can see very clearly that this is
4:15going to be the link that's going to
4:16break first. And therefore attention is
4:18paid to that link. For many, that
4:21diagnosis comes with medications. So
4:24here here is where the first truism that
4:26I would say going forward, all
4:28medications have side effects.
4:31And what the aim is to do in modern
4:33medicine is to utilize the knowledge of
4:36those medicines and their effect on the
4:39human body so that we leverage the other
4:42links to protect that weakest link. So I
4:45could go through a whole bunch of
4:46medications that I give all the time to
4:48patients in the intensive care unit,
4:50where I'm focused on saving their life
4:52because I can clearly see which link is
4:54the weakest,
4:55but I'm doing it knowing that there's
4:57side effects because I'm trying to save
4:59that link to save that life. And I'm
5:02leveraging those other things. For
5:03instance,
5:04somebody comes in with a stroke.
5:06And
5:08they have they've they've lost weakness
5:11on the on the right side of their body
5:13or on the left side, whichever side.
5:14I can give them a medication
5:17immediately that will break up all of
5:20the clots in their body. It's called TPA
5:22or TNK. And it will restore blood flow
5:25to the brain and it will reverse many of
5:27their symptoms. If they come in soon
5:28enough, we can do this.
5:31What's What's amazing is that that
5:33medication has an effect that can do
5:35that, but it also has a pretty
5:37significant side effect in that it could
5:38break up clots somewhere else and cause
5:40bleeding.
5:41So we have to be careful about what it
5:43is that we're doing.
5:45Clearly there, what we're doing is we're
5:47saving one link at the expense of other
5:49links, but that's what you have to do in
5:50an emergency situation. But if after
5:53that, I simply send that patient home
5:56without telling them why they had that
5:58stroke and what they need to do to
6:00prevent themselves from getting that
6:02stroke again, and what are the lifestyle
6:04factors that caused that to happen,
6:07I haven't done my job. So, what is what
6:09are the interventions that we can do
6:11hopefully early on in life
6:13so that we don't have those links
6:15eroding, so that all of the links are
6:16strong, and as we get older, we can
6:19continue to strengthen all of the links.
6:21Here are the eight. So, nutrition.
6:22That's That's nutrition. Basically, you
6:25know, we know there are studies that
6:27have done that showed that that
6:28depending on what we put into our bodies
6:30as food can have a dramatic impact in
6:33terms of our well-being. Okay? So,
6:34that's nutrition. Exercise.
6:37As I was saying, exercise not only I
6:39mean, drugs and things have side
6:41effects. Exercise have side benefits.
6:43So, exercise obviously is going to make
6:45you more fit. It's going to make you
6:46have better endurance.
6:48But did you know that it reduces stroke?
6:50Did you know that it improves
6:53uh well-being? It reduces depression.
6:55There's so many benefits. So, all of
6:57these links are actually improving.
6:59There's no leveraging here.
7:01Exercise is incredible.
7:03Water.
7:04So, this may sound obvious, right? Like
7:06you drink because you're thirsty. Where
7:08I would like to go today is to talk a
7:10little bit about what the effect of
7:11water externally on your body can do.
7:13And you're talking there about like hot
7:15and cold
7:15>> Exactly. usage. Exactly.
7:18>> or cold plunges, saunas, that kind of
7:19thing?
7:20>> Exactly. Okay. And we'll get into the
7:21actual evidence for this. We'll get into
7:23it later, but what is the potential
7:25>> system.
7:26Which changes your probability of
7:27diseases and stuff like that.
7:29>> Correct. Absolutely. Especially in the
7:30acute setting. Especially. So, not only
7:32in the acute setting, but we also have
7:34pretty good data from Finland, where
7:36they have more saunas than almost than
7:39people,
7:40uh where they've actually done the
7:41research and and shown with dose
7:43response curves that this is actually
7:44very beneficial. We won't get into too
7:46much of that, but what I want to focus a
7:47little bit more on because of my job in
7:50the intensive care unit
7:52and what we're seeing right now with
7:53viruses and mutations and the innate
7:55immune system, why something like this
7:57may actually be very important, uh, as
8:00we look forward. Interestingly, as we
8:02look forward to future famous pandemics,
8:06we can look backward and see what we had
8:08done in the past. And we've got some
8:09really actually really good information
8:10on that. Let's go to
8:13sunlight. This is something that, um,
8:16I've really become more and more
8:17involved with because of some of the
8:20benefits that that this can do.
8:22A very big misconception that people
8:24have is that sunlight equals vitamin D.
8:27And therefore, if you take a vitamin D
8:29supplement, you don't need to go in the
8:31sun.
8:32This is really something that's uh, now,
8:35um,
8:35being debunked. Sunlight has far more
8:38benefits than just vitamin D. Not saying
8:41that vitamin D is is not something that
8:43you want to supplement with. I
8:45supplement with vitamin D. I think it's
8:47there's a benefit to supplementing with
8:48vitamin D, no question. But sunlight has
8:51so many important things and I and I
8:53really would like to spend the bulk or
8:55the lion's share of the time talking
8:56about this because this is really
8:57important. Okay.
9:00Um,
9:01this is a this is this is amazing. Uh,
9:04and it really made me think about
9:06sunlight.
9:07So, this is a story
9:09by a lady by the name of Amy Hanmeyer.
9:11Her 15-year-old boy
9:13was diagnosed with lymphoblastic
9:15leukemia, went into uh, the hospital,
9:18actually started chemotherapy for it.
9:20Which is blood cancer.
9:21>> It's a blood cancer, yeah. And so, this
9:24the treatment for blood cancer is
9:26chemotherapy, which he started. The side
9:28effect of chemotherapy is suppressing
9:31the immune system.
9:32And unfortunately, he didn't realize it,
9:35but he developed uh, he didn't realize
9:37it immediately, but he developed a a
9:40fungus flesh-eating infection in his
9:42lung.
9:43And went into the hospital in June of
9:452024.
9:47Uh this is in Minnesota, tertiary care
9:49hospital.
9:51And he
9:53got worse and got worse and got worse to
9:56the point where the only way that they
9:58could control this infection was to
9:59actually remove his left lung, which
10:02they did.
10:03So, this is a 15-year-old boy.
10:05He is without his left lung. He only has
10:08a right lung.
10:09And he starts to decline even after
10:11that. They do a CT scan and it shows
10:14that now the infection has moved to the
10:15his remaining right lung.
10:18They have a family conference.
10:20And as Amy is telling me this story, I
10:22could hear her choking up. She's telling
10:24me this on the phone.
10:25She's saying that he's 15, he's
10:27completely awake, he's completely alert.
10:29He knows everything that's going on
10:31around him. He's on a ventilator like a
10:33a machine that they use for for sleep
10:35apnea. It's like a BiPAP machine that's
10:37breathing for him. It's not intubation,
10:38but it's on his on his mouth.
10:41And the doctors, you know, have done
10:43everything they possibly can and they
10:45say, "Look, he's getting worse. We can't
10:47take Obviously, we can't take the right
10:49lung out. We can't put him on a
10:51heart-lung machine because there's no
10:53sort of destination to where he's
10:54going."
10:56Uh
10:56we recommend not intubating him and
10:58making him what they call DNR, do not
11:00resuscitate.
11:03So, they're like, "Wow." They were not
11:05expecting this coming. So, they have a
11:06big conference. Somebody they they call
11:08in help to like, "How do you explain to
11:10a 15-year-old boy that you're dying?
11:12And how how's that going to feel?"
11:15So, they asked the doctors, "How how
11:17much time does he have?" They say, "2
11:18days."
11:20So,
11:21in this in this situation,
11:24they ask this boy,
11:26"Okay, you're going to die.
11:28What do you want to do with your life in
11:30the in the next 2 days? What do you want
11:31to do?
11:32And surprisingly, he says, "I want to go
11:36outside."
11:38"I just want to go outside."
11:40This this guy grew up probably on a farm
11:42or something and he spent his time
11:43outside. So, he wants to go outside.
11:46So, you know how
11:47I mean, I don't know if you know this,
11:48but like if you're a nurse or you're a
11:50doctor
11:52and you've done everything you can and
11:54this and you're just completely
11:56horrified at the fact that this
11:5715-year-old is going to die and he has
11:59one request, you're going to move heaven
12:01and earth
12:03to fulfill that one request. And that's
12:05exactly what they do. They
12:07get this boy the hospital bed outside.
12:10He's on a BiPAP machine the respiratory
12:12therapists have put together. So, this
12:14guy is outside.
12:16And they're not putting him outside to
12:18get better.
12:19He's just this is his dying wish. They
12:21also use this thing called a Firefly.
12:23It's like a a light device that they
12:25were using. I to I'll be honest, I don't
12:27know which did it. The Firefly was the
12:30It's a It's a light device that gives
12:31off light at different wavelengths and
12:33they would use that for about three
12:35times a day for 5 minutes.
12:39This guy
12:40does not die.
12:42After the first day
12:44his white count starts to come down.
12:46That's like a a measure of the infection
12:48that's going on in the lung.
12:49And and and by the way, they do a CT
12:51scan of his lung before this all starts
12:52and the and it's just the the the
12:55remaining lung on the right is just
12:57filled with infection. It's horrible.
13:00By the By the second day, the white
13:02count comes down even more. And and by
13:04the way, they haven't changed any of the
13:05other treatment. He's been in By this
13:06point, he's been in for 6 weeks.
13:08He has not seen the light of day.
13:10And and he's still getting the powerful
13:13antifungal medication amphotericin B and
13:16posaconazole. All of these things are
13:18are really high-powered drugs that that
13:20just completely fight fungus, but it's
13:22not working. He's getting worse.
13:24But now, he's out for the second day.
13:26The white count's coming down, which is
13:28good. That's a good sign.
13:30His oxygen requirement is coming down.
13:32That's a good sign. He's requiring less
13:33and less oxygen. By the time he gets to
13:35day five,
13:37okay, we're already past two days.
13:39He's off the BiPAP. He's on regular
13:42just nasal cannula oxygen that you see
13:44people wearing on their nose.
13:47The doctors are scratching their head.
13:49They're like, we we should get a CT scan
13:50to see what's going on.
13:52So So, Amy tells me that they they get a
13:54CT scan of this guy, and they're in the
13:56room. And some some even like swear
13:58under their breath. Like they they're
13:59completely
14:01amazed.
14:03Because on the CT scan, obviously the
14:05left lung is still gone.
14:06But the right lung,
14:08the disease is probably 60 70% gone. And
14:14he he's still alive.
14:16He goes home. There's no sign of the
14:18disease after after treatment. And he he
14:22uh I I just she just uh communicated
14:25with me to tell me that he just got his
14:26Make-A-Wish
14:28uh thing for for his cancer. He's
14:30continuing treatment.
14:32And to And she just can't believe that
14:35he was literally two day two days away
14:37from dying.
14:39They changed nothing. They changed none
14:41of his treatments. The only thing that
14:42they did was they took him outside and
14:45they they were using this Firefly before
14:48inside, but they were using it more
14:49consistently when he got outside.
14:52Maybe hospitals should be outside.
14:54>> This is exactly what
14:56Okay, so if you wanted to know what my
14:57drive was, what what it is my purpose
14:59that I'm doing right now, I'm working at
15:01three different hospitals. And
15:04I'm trying to work in each of those
15:05three different hospitals to try to get
15:07patients outside. The biggest barrier
15:09that we have is staff taking those
15:11patients outside. That's the thing
15:12that's the hardest. But this is what we
15:14used to do.
15:16Steven, this is what we used
15:17When we built hospitals at the turn of
15:19the century, we had hospital rooms where
15:21beds could be taken out onto the veranda
15:24and people could get sunlight. I would
15:26love to see a time where we could go
15:27back to that type of effect. There are
15:29studies that have been done. People in a
15:31two-bed room,
15:32if you're the bed closer to the window,
15:35you get discharged from the hospital
15:36faster, on average.
15:39Really? Yes.
15:42I need to swap sides of the bed with my
15:44girlfriend.
15:45She's on the sunny side.
15:46>> There There's so much evidence for this.
15:48People who are in hospitals that are
15:50have bigger windows, they give better
15:52surveys.
15:53And hospitals
15:54reimbursement is tied
15:56to the surveys that they get from
15:58patients. So, it's literally a
16:00win-win-win. If hospitals started to, I
16:03believe, get patients outside. And And
16:05they're already doing this. There
16:06I don't want to say that this isn't
16:08happening. There are hospitals that are
16:09have programs to get patients outside.
16:12Um I think we just ought to be doing it
16:14a lot more.
16:16Um
16:18temperance. Temperance? What does that
16:20mean?
16:20>> It's an old term, isn't it? It really
16:23means
16:24moderation. And And I I would say in
16:26this sense, temperance really means to
16:30avoid toxins in the body.
16:32Um As somebody who is a pulmonologist,
16:34who is What's a pulmonologist?
16:36>> is someone who takes care of the lungs.
16:39And so, as a result of that, I see a lot
16:41of issues with lung cancer
16:45related to smoking.
16:47Um I see it in the intensive care unit,
16:48people with liver failure as result of
16:51alcohol abuse. I also see people
16:54on amphetamines. Here in Southern
16:55California, where I reside and where I
16:58work, we we have quite a bit of that.
17:00And uh temperance, if if you want to
17:02live a long and wholesome life, there
17:05are some toxins that you want to avoid.
17:07And uh And And And understanding that is
17:10really important. So, this is something
17:11that, if you stop some of those things
17:14that we're talking about, all of those
17:16links are going to be improved.
17:19Air.
17:20Seems kind of obvious. Early on I used
17:23to think that that what this meant was
17:25getting pure air with absolutely nothing
17:28in it except for just nitrogen and
17:30oxygen.
17:32That's not true anymore.
17:33We now understand that for you to have
17:36the best type of air,
17:38it actually has to come with some things
17:40in it. Just like our our gut has a
17:43microflora that you may have heard
17:44about, so too does the air that we
17:47breathe also must have that. And the
17:49best type of air that you can have is
17:52actually outside.
17:54Rest.
17:56This is really interesting because we
17:57just mentioned that exercise was a
17:59pillar, but rest also is. How can rest
18:02and exercise at the same time be pillars
18:05of health? And it really comes down to
18:08knowing when to do what. Sleep, which is
18:11also part of rest. So we're not just
18:13talking about a daily rest when you go
18:16to sleep. And and as a sleep physician I
18:17can tell you quite a bit. We have lots
18:20of information about how long we should
18:21sleep, the quality of sleep, some of the
18:23diseases that prevent us from sleeping.
18:26Sleep is so important. I can't I I
18:29couldn't over express it enough. Not
18:31just a a daily rest, but I would also
18:34say and and venture out we can talk more
18:36about this, a weekly rest. A weekly
18:39rest?
18:40>> A weekly rest.
18:41What do you mean weekend? Yeah. Yeah,
18:44absolutely. How many times do we even on
18:47the weekend do we put down our our
18:48phone? Never. Or we stop reading emails.
18:53And we take the time out to do things
18:54that we would never be able to do.
18:56Finally, trust.
18:58So this is something that really just
19:00can't be ignored. And and I'll say this
19:03up front that um
19:07in the world of research and science
19:09there is a there is a silo of science
19:12and there is a silo of faith. But,
19:15what's what we can't ignore is the
19:18growing body of evidence
19:20from the scientific world that's peeking
19:22over and looking at faith, that people
19:25who have faith and people who have faith
19:27in God,
19:28uh whether that is uh their God in in
19:31that particular denomination, are better
19:33apt and able to deal with stress and
19:36depression and anxiety.
19:38So, this is something scientifically
19:40that has been shown. Now,
19:42if you you may have noticed that I I did
19:44these in a particular order.
19:47Um and if you go through them, you've
19:49got nutrition,
19:51you've got exercise, you've got water,
19:54you've got sunlight, you've got
19:56temperance, you have air, you have rest,
19:59and finally you have trust. You put that
20:01together and it spells out NEWSTART.
20:04So, interestingly, these these
20:06particular topics are not copyrighted,
20:09but there is a um there is a university
20:11in Northern California called Weimar
20:12University that has actually put these
20:14together in that very pattern as called
20:17it NEWSTART. They actually have a
20:17NEWSTART program.
20:19Um and so, this is something that uh
20:21that is actually being used uh
20:24internationally.
20:25So, of these subjects that you just went
20:28through there for this NEWSTART um
20:30framework,
20:32where do you want to start?
20:34I think actually sunlight is is one of
20:37those things where I'm excited about all
20:39of those, but I think sunlight is
20:42is really where we have It's the Let's
20:44put it this way, it's the lowest-hanging
20:45fruit. Okay. Explain to me why sunlight
20:48is the the place where your focus is at
20:51the moment.
20:52It's a long trip that has gotten me to
20:55that. Um and I and I think part of it
20:57has to has goes through right through
20:58COVID.
20:59So, as a critical care intensivist, when
21:02I heard that there was this virus that
21:04was coming, they all told us that it was
21:07going to be people with respiratory
21:09illnesses, which I was certainly
21:11comfortable with.
21:12But, that's not what it turned out to
21:14be. We certainly saw people with
21:15respiratory illnesses, but what we saw
21:17in the intensive care unit, the people
21:18that were dying around me
21:21were people with obesity, people with
21:23heart disease, people with kidney
21:25disease, people with dementia, people
21:27with chronic diseases.
21:29And it made me think, why was that the
21:30case?
21:32All of those things
21:34have one thing in common.
21:36And many other things, too. But,
21:38specifically, they're rooted in
21:41something called mitochondrial
21:42dysfunction. So, let me unpack that for
21:44you.
21:45And and this has to do with longevity,
21:47this has to do with aging. This is a
21:48huge topic that is now just emerging.
21:51And we're we're now finding more about
21:53this. So, what when we were when I was
21:55in high school biology, when I was in
21:58college, uh we all learned about this
22:00little organelle in all of our cells,
22:02except for red blood cells, called the
22:03mitochondria. And and and I have to say
22:05it, what is the mitochondria? It's the
22:07powerhouse of the cell, right? So, it's
22:09the thing that makes energy.
22:11What we didn't know at the time is that
22:13as we get older, the output from these
22:15batteries in our cells drops by about
22:1770%. Damn. Can you imagine running your
22:21house on 70% less energy? Well, how
22:23fundamentally that would change what
22:25change what happens in your house? Like,
22:27you could not run the laundry the same
22:28way. You could not run the microwave and
22:30the laundry at the same time.
22:32>> And what does that look like in terms of
22:33symptoms? Excellent question, because
22:35what it looks like is depending on the
22:37cell type that we're talking about,
22:38that's going to have the issue. So, if
22:40we're talking about the liver, the
22:41liver's going to get more fatty. If
22:43we're talking about the heart, the
22:44heart's going to is going to become more
22:45congested. If we're talking about the
22:46brain, it's going to have more dementia.
22:49And so, what's what's happening here is
22:51that as we get older, the batteries in
22:54our cells are not working the same way
22:56as they used to. Metabolism is slowing
22:58down.
22:59And and so, these are these are huge
23:01issues.
23:02And all of these diseases that I just
23:03talked about, all the ones that we saw
23:05in COVID, if you look in a lot of these
23:08diseases, they are rooted in
23:09mitochondrial dysfunction. So, the
23:11question is is why is that the case and
23:13what can we do about it?
23:15So, there was a paper that came out in
23:172019
23:19that fundamentally changed the way I saw
23:21this. It was written by Russell Reiter
23:23who is the
23:25executive editor of melatonin research.
23:28It's a he's out of University of Texas.
23:31And Scott Zimmerman who's a light
23:32engineer. And what they set forth was to
23:34show that basically
23:37sunlight
23:39is
23:40made up of so many different types of
23:42wavelengths. You've got ultraviolet on
23:44one end which of course makes vitamin D.
23:47And it's very beneficial. It it it's the
23:49type of light from the from the sun that
23:51is very short wave
23:53and but cannot penetrate very deeply.
23:55Let let me let me back up a little bit
23:56and explain.
23:57You pull up to a stop sign and somebody
24:00pulls up next to you and they're playing
24:01the latest hip-hop music. How does that
24:04sound to you in your car?
24:06It's very boom boom, right?
24:08>> Yeah, muffled. It muffled. And the
24:10reason why is because low wave frequency
24:14has the ability to travel very far.
24:18Go to the Grand Canyon and there's a
24:19thunderstorm at the other end of it.
24:20What do you hear? It's like a rumbling.
24:22And then as it gets closer, you hear the
24:24higher pitched sounds. This is a
24:25fundamental physics
24:27principle. And so when the sun is is
24:30shining, there's very short wavelengths,
24:33ultraviolet B involved in vitamin D. But
24:36at the other end, there's this infrared
24:37light which we'll talk about or red
24:39light. It's very long wavelength and it
24:42can penetrate very very deeply.
24:45That's very important because what we're
24:46talking about is the human body. And if
24:48the sun is going to have an effect on
24:49the human body, it's got to be more than
24:51just the skin.
24:53So, that's exactly what what this paper
24:55showed is that basically
24:57infrared lights
25:00from the sun
25:01is able to penetrate probably up to
25:03about 8 cm according to Scott Zimmerman
25:06in this article.
25:07And it fundamentally interacts with
25:10specifically the mitochondria.
25:12And what does it do to the mitochondria?
25:13So let's let's back up and talk about
25:15the mitochondria cuz this is central.
25:17The mitochondria to the cell is like the
25:20engine in your car.
25:21The engine produces locomotion that
25:25causes this the wheels to spin. But in
25:27the process of doing it
25:29it causes heat to surround the engine.
25:32And if you don't deal with that heat
25:34it will shut down the engine. It will
25:36make it more inefficient and eventually
25:38it will shut it down. So what do all
25:40internal combustion engines have? They
25:42have a cooling system. They have a
25:43radiator. They have a an oil pan. They
25:45have a water pump. And that's exactly
25:47what the cell has to have for the
25:49mitochondria. It's not heat in the
25:51mitochondria. It's called oxidative
25:53stress. And it's specifically oxidative
25:55stress that causes destruction and
25:59and yeah, destruction of the
26:01mitochondria and leads to these types of
26:03diseases. So oxidative stress causes the
26:05mitochondria not to work well. This
26:07leads to diabetes. Oxidative stress
26:09makes the mitochondria not work so well.
26:11This leads to dementia. So there's a
26:13This has already been laid out. This is
26:14not that controversial. The
26:16controversial part is what do we do
26:17about it? So what these guys in this
26:20paper showed
26:21was that and and not just them but look
26:24reviewing the literature is that the
26:26mitochondria makes its own cooling
26:28system.
26:29And that cooling system is melatonin.
26:33Now you might think be thinking, wait a
26:34minute, melatonin, isn't that the isn't
26:36that the stuff that we take that our
26:38brain makes right before we go to sleep?
26:40Yeah, that you're it's absolutely
26:41correct. That's what happens.
26:44The problem is is that this is not
26:46melatonin that's made in the brain. This
26:47is not melatonin that goes through the
26:49blood supply and goes to It through our
26:51blood and tells us it's time to go to
26:52sleep. This is melatonin that's made in
26:55the cell in the mitochondria.
26:57And it's a powerful antioxidant that
26:59basically prevents the oxidative stress
27:02from occurring.
27:03What Scott Zimmerman and Russell Reiter
27:05showed and and proposed in this was that
27:08basically the infrared radiation that's
27:10coming in
27:11to the body is able to stimulate and
27:14upregulate melatonin and a number of
27:16other factors that keep the mitochondria
27:19cool and can actually improve the energy
27:22output of the mitochondria.
27:24So this is This was actually
27:26mind-blowing to me and I'll tell you why
27:28I resonated with this as a critical care
27:30physician because there was two things
27:31that bothered me the most. Number one.
27:36SARS-CoV-2 virus. When it comes into the
27:39body, it interacts with something called
27:40the ACE2 receptor. You may have heard
27:42about the ACE2 receptor. Okay. This is
27:44where the the virus actually latches on
27:47to the cell
27:48and gets internalized. So what is this
27:51ACE2 receptor? Is this Was this there
27:53for all of humanity just to be a
27:55receptor or does it actually have a
27:56role?
27:57It turns out it actually has a role and
27:59mind-blowingly
28:01the ACE2 receptor is involved in
28:03mitigating oxidative stress.
28:06So in other words, it's another part of
28:08the cell's cooling system for the
28:09mitochondria.
28:11What
28:12what's happening is that the
28:15the virus when it attaches to the cell
28:18is basically eliminating that action.
28:21And so
28:23imagine you have a bunch of people with
28:25various different engines running at
28:27different temperatures. In other words,
28:29you've got some people with chronic
28:30disease and we know their engines are
28:31running hot. We have some other people
28:33who are completely healthy and they're
28:35doing quite well. Their engines are nice
28:37and cool. They have no problems at all.
28:39Now imagine COVID comes and SARS-CoV-2
28:42is infecting everybody.
28:45What that tendency is to do is because
28:47it's knocking out everybody's ACE2
28:49receptor, which has the ability to cool
28:51down the engine if in other words, it's
28:53causing everybody's engine to run hot.
28:56Right? So, but in somebody So, in other
28:57words, picture it this way. You're
28:59You're You're driving along in your car
29:01and your thermometer is there and all of
29:02a sudden there's this big hill that you
29:03have to climb, called COVID-19. Who's
29:06going to make it over that hill and
29:08who's not going to make it over that
29:09hill?
29:10The people that make it over the hill
29:12are those with great cooling engines
29:14that whose temperatures are running
29:15great. The ones that don't make it over
29:17that hill are the ones that have the
29:19thermometer on their engine running hot.
29:22Those are the ones that poop out at the
29:23top and can't make it and they're
29:24they're the ones pulled over to the side
29:26of the road with the hood up and the
29:27steam coming out of the out of the
29:29engine. Do you understand what I'm
29:30saying?
29:30>> yeah. So, this makes perfect sense to me
29:32why I wasn't seeing what they were
29:34predicting, which is respiratory
29:35patients coming into the ICU. Who was I
29:37seeing in the ICU? I was seeing people
29:39with dementias, as we talked about,
29:40diabetes, kidney disease. These are the
29:43ones that were that that were sick. The
29:45other thing that that really hit me
29:47and resonated with this
29:50was and this was this was not even
29:52controversial. We knew early on in the
29:54pandemic that people who came into the
29:56hospital and had higher levels of
29:59vitamin D
30:00did really well.
30:02They didn't die.
30:05They They didn't have the same chances
30:07of dying. People who had low vitamin D
30:09levels, they had much higher levels
30:12chances of dying.
30:14So, we would check these vitamin D
30:15levels. And so,
30:17think about this. You're You're there at
30:18ground zero and you're taking care of
30:20these patients and you see this data
30:22over and over and over again that
30:24vitamin D is very predictive of who's
30:27going to die. Obviously, what are you
30:29going to do? Even though this is an
30:30associative study, that association
30:32doesn't mean causation, you're going to
30:33be giving people vitamin D
30:35and try to get those levels up.
30:38The problem is is that we gave vitamin D
30:40and it really didn't have much of an
30:42effect.
30:44So, you gave it in supplement tablets.
30:46>> Yeah, when people would come into the
30:48hospital exactly.
30:50Exactly, just like that. In fact, I was
30:51supplementing myself. I mean, what have
30:53you got to lose, right?
30:58I already took my vitamin D tablet this
31:00morning. I don't There's not There's
31:01very hard to overdose, but it's
31:02possible. So, you noticed that it was
31:05hard to treat people with vitamin D, but
31:07giving them a a tablet didn't really do
31:08much. That's correct. Why?
31:11Well, this is what I believe is the is
31:12the is the fact is we saw that people
31:15with high levels of vitamin D or normal
31:17levels of vitamin D did better than
31:19those that had low levels. I believe
31:21that that was a marker of something
31:23else.
31:25In other words, people who had higher
31:28levels of vitamin D meant
31:30that they were out in the sun more. They
31:32were outside more.
31:35Than those the people that had very low
31:36vitamin D levels. The people with low
31:38vitamin D levels were telling me these
31:40are people that were not getting outside
31:42into the sun. And so, what's the real
31:44factor here? What's doing the heavy
31:46lifting? And I would propose and Scott
31:48Zimmerman and Russell Reiter would
31:49propose, and I can tell you a number of
31:51other scientists that would agree with
31:52me on this,
31:54is that infrared radiation
31:56from the sun
31:58is causing an effect at the
32:00mitochondrial level in terms of
32:02oxidative stress.
32:04And that vitamin D was just the marker
32:07of who was getting the infrared light
32:08and who was not. Who was going outside
32:11and who was not going outside. So, when
32:13the sun is shining for the most part,
32:16you're getting infrared light. You're
32:18getting the entire the entire biological
32:20spectrum from the sun. We can go to the
32:22longest wavelength, which is far
32:24infrared,
32:25all the way to the shortest wavelength,
32:27which is ultraviolet B, okay, which
32:30makes vitamin D.
32:31So, in other words, when you are outside
32:33in a natural environment, you're getting
32:35a very broad spectrum of light.
32:38And so, because of that, if you're
32:40getting infrared light, you're also
32:42going to be making vitamin D.
32:43Yeah, you're getting both.
32:45Um
32:47Now, that can change because in the
32:49wintertime
32:51when the sun is lower in the sky,
32:53especially, you know, in England, this
32:55is this is a special issue at that
32:57latitude. When the sun is low in the
32:59sky, it's got the light has to penetrate
33:01through obliquely through the
33:03atmosphere. And because of that,
33:05shortwave
33:07radiation from the sun, like ultraviolet
33:09B, does not make it very well. So,
33:11there's times of the year where you're
33:13not getting enough ultraviolet B or
33:15maybe even no ultraviolet B from the
33:17sun. Which makes the vitamin D. Which
33:19makes the vitamin D. And that you're
33:21you're going to be deficient, you need
33:22to supplement. However,
33:24during that same period of time
33:26when you're not getting enough vitamin D
33:28because there's no ultraviolet B
33:29radiation, that sun is low, but that's
33:32it's still enough to allow that long
33:35wavelength penetrating infrared light to
33:38still come through. So, is the longwave
33:41infrared light the type of thing that we
33:44see
33:45these gadgets doing? Absolutely. And and
33:48I would say just to be specific is
33:50because you can see that as red light
33:53there, that's not infrared light because
33:55you can see it.
33:56So, infrared light technically is
33:58completely invisible. But this these do
34:01give out infrared light, but you just
34:02can't see it.
34:03>> So, it's toward that red end of the
34:05spectrum. And people like Glen Jeffery
34:07out of UCL
34:09is actually doing research at 670
34:11nanometers of red light and has shown
34:14in randomized controlled trials that
34:16that type of light right there at 670,
34:18the type that you can even see,
34:19actually does improve mitochondrial
34:22efficiency. He's shown this in a number
34:23of randomized controlled trials. It
34:25improves eyesight. And and you have to
34:27realize that the retina at the back of
34:28your eye is very rich in mitochondria.
34:32He's shown this in terms of managing
34:34glucose and and output for mitochondria.
34:38And and the reason why these things work
34:40so well is because what's going on here
34:42is as you get older, your skin starts to
34:45become more saggy because the the
34:48fibroblast or the cells in your skin,
34:50they're designed to make collagen and
34:52collagen is the skeleton that makes your
34:55skin soft and subtle. Yeah. Don't mind
34:58me. Please carry
34:59>> No, no. So this is this is exactly My
35:01wife uses the same thing. This is a fun
35:03charge one day.
35:04>> So what what's going on right now is
35:05that red light
35:07which can penetrate very deeply down is
35:09going into the skin and it is activating
35:12the mitochondria in your fibroblast to
35:14produce more energy which those cells
35:16need to deposit collagen. And so when
35:19you deposit collagen, that's going to
35:20give the skin a more tight uh feel
35:24because as you get older, that collagen
35:25deposition is going to get less and less
35:27and less.
35:28>> So this is going to help keep me looking
35:29young. That's the whole point of it. And
35:31you're saying that the the light in
35:33these penetrates what, 6 or 7 cm or is
35:36it
35:37>> does about 8 cm. Uh this red light would
35:39be a little bit less because this
35:41light obviously you can see it, so it is
35:43a little bit shorter wavelength, but
35:44yes, this light, the red light can
35:46penetrate deeper than for instance
35:48yellow light or blue light. And it's
35:50this light particularly that interacts
35:52with the mitochondria to increase that.
35:54So should we be putting this all over
35:56our body because okay, it's good for my
35:57skin, but if it's penetrating deeper,
35:59presumably those other parts of my body
36:01that would benefit from that, another
36:02mitochondria. It's interesting you say
36:04that. Um the the the study that I'm
36:07referring to with Glenn Jeffery out of
36:09University College London, he took uh
36:12young people in this study. He gave them
36:14a a bunch of glucose. And everybody who
36:17gets a bunch of glucose should have a
36:18spike in their blood sugar.
36:21And he randomized them on their backs
36:24to see what would happen when he shined
36:26red lights uh on their backs. And the
36:28people that got the red light had lower
36:30spikes. In other words, it seemed as
36:32though the mitochondria
36:34were metabolizing faster, which caused
36:36less of a spike of the glucose in their
36:38blood. The way he confirmed that is
36:41looking for the byproducts of the
36:43mitochondrial metabolism, which is
36:45carbon dioxide. So, when we breathe,
36:47when we metabolize, we're breathing out
36:49carbon dioxide, which is the result of
36:51of a mitochondrial metabolism. And in
36:54fact, in those people that had the light
36:57on,
36:58it showed a higher level of carbon
37:00dioxide in the exhaled breath. The whole
37:02point of that is to get back to your
37:04question is whether we should putting
37:05this all over your body. He was able to
37:07get that effect systemically with just
37:10putting the light on the back.
37:13Um that was a that was a systemic
37:15ability. What We don't understand
37:17everything about the mitochondria, but
37:18what we do seem to understand is that
37:20they can communicate with each other.
37:22And that you don't need to have this all
37:25over the body to have systemic effects.
37:28In this particular case though, if you
37:29want to have the skin here to be more
37:33you know, younger-looking, then it makes
37:36sense that this is where you need to
37:37have it. If you want to have a
37:38particular other part of your body to
37:39look younger, then then perhaps that
37:41that's where the light needs to go. So
37:43interesting. So how long did it take in
37:45those studies to see the effect of red
37:47light therapy like this? Well, that's a
37:49very good question. If you talk to Glenn
37:51Jeffery, which I have, he noticed a an
37:53improvement in 15 minutes.
37:5515 15 minutes? What did he notice in 15
37:58minutes? He said he has studied the
38:00mitochondria in fruit flies and in
38:03mosquitoes and bees and in human beings
38:05and it's the same every time. He says
38:07after about 15 to 20 minutes of this
38:10type of light in that type of setting,
38:12there is a switch
38:14that turns on and it and you and you
38:16don't need further stimulation. Further
38:18stimulation doesn't do anything more.
38:21It's a it's a very bizarre thing. You
38:22would think that the more light that you
38:24gave, the more the effect would be. It's
38:26not. After about 15 minutes, it it
38:29there's something that changes in the
38:30mitochondria.
38:32There are certain theories about where
38:33this might be. This might be in the
38:34electron transport chain
38:36complex four. Uh these are very
38:38technical things. There's a lot of
38:39studies that are actually There's a
38:40number of groups that are actually
38:41looking at this.
38:42Uh there's a whole area of science
38:44called photobiomodulation, which is
38:46looking at this. But, 15 minutes is
38:50really what it takes. So, we're not
38:51we're not talking about a long period of
38:53time.
38:55This is really really interesting. So,
38:57getting back to my
39:00experience in the intensive care unit.
39:03The vitamin D wasn't working.
39:05These patients were dying, and it became
39:07clear to me that COVID was a metabolic
39:10issue
39:11for these patients.
39:13By the time I had realized this,
39:16the sir I mean, the pandemic arguably is
39:18still going on because people are still
39:20becoming infected, but the rush to come
39:22into the hospital and the and the number
39:24of bodies that we were seeing
39:25circulating through the intensive care
39:27unit had dropped dramatically.
39:29And at that point, I was able to
39:33see that potentially
39:35infrared lights may be very beneficial
39:39in these patients with COVID-19. Now,
39:42there was a study in Brazil. They took
39:45COVID patients
39:46that were that were sick enough to be
39:49admitted to the hospital, but not too
39:50sick to be intubated in intensive care
39:52unit.
39:53And they did something tremendous. They
39:55actually manufactured a jacket that they
39:58could put on patients. And on the inside
40:00of this jacket were these LED bulbs that
40:03gave off
40:04infrared radiation at exactly 940
40:07nanometers. They put the jackets on,
40:10and they randomly randomized assign
40:13which jacket was turned on and which
40:15jacket was turned off. It was blinded
40:16because the light coming from this
40:18jacket could not be seen by the human
40:20eye. It wasn't even enough to produce
40:21enough heat.
40:22And so they they did this on 30 subjects
40:25and they randomized them. 15 did it 50
40:2750 all 15 had or all 30 had the jackets
40:30on. 15 had it turned on, 15 did not have
40:33it turned on. And they watched them.
40:34What happens to these patients?
40:37Every single endpoint that they looked
40:38at was statistically significant.
40:41And What does that mean?
40:42>> It means that the differences between
40:44these two groups could not have been
40:46from chance.
40:47There was a real difference.
40:50The group that had the jacket turned on
40:52had improvement in their oxygen
40:54saturation.
40:56Had could take breaths in more deeply
40:59and stronger. Had improvements in their
41:02blood white blood cells.
41:04Um and not only that, had improvements
41:06in their heart rate, their respiratory
41:08rate, all of these statistically
41:09significant. But the most important and
41:11mind-blowing statistic was the length of
41:14stay in the hospital.
41:15So,
41:16they had these jackets on
41:18for 15 minutes
41:21once a day
41:22for 7 days.
41:25In the group that did not have the
41:27jacket turned on, their average length
41:29of stay was 12 days in the hospital.
41:31For those that had the jacket turned on,
41:33it was eight days. That was four day
41:37difference. That's tremendous when you
41:39realize that it costs thousands of
41:41dollars
41:43to hospitalize patients.
41:45It's it's a huge amount when you think
41:47about the fact that there are certain
41:49drugs that get FDA approved for
41:52influenza for instance by just cutting
41:54short the symptoms for 24 hours. This is
41:57not just 24 hours for people were
41:59discharged
42:00from the hospital four days faster. When
42:03I saw that study, that was enough for me
42:05to convince me. I mean obviously it was
42:0630 subjects, right? We should do a
42:08bigger study. We should do a hundred a
42:09couple hundred, right? That would be
42:11that would be ideal to do. But the fact
42:12that with just 30 patients they could
42:15show statistical significance. That was
42:16enough for me to say every patient from
42:19now on that I see
42:20that comes in with COVID-19 that's
42:22hospitalized, that they're asking me to
42:24go intubate, to bring to my ICU, these
42:27patients are going to get outside.
42:29I don't have that jacket that they made
42:30in Brazil.
42:31I I I don't even know how I would make
42:33that jacket. They made it for the study.
42:35And it's not commercially available.
42:36There's no 940 nanometer lights, which
42:39is what they did in the study. But I do
42:41know this. I do know that sunlight has
42:43940 nanometers in it.
42:46And if I could just take these patients
42:47outside
42:49maybe they could improve. So I had I got
42:51my wish.
42:53I had a patient on the floor.
42:56He was on 35 liters a minute.
43:00100% oxygen through high flow. Through
43:03his nose. Through his nose. Barely
43:05barely saturating because he had
43:06COVID-19.
43:08And uh I was asked to go see him because
43:10he was potentially needing to be
43:11intubated or brought to the intensive
43:13care unit. I could not believe it cuz I
43:15had not seen one of these in months. So
43:17I went down, walked into the room,
43:18opened the door. It was in isolation. I
43:20had a mask on, the whole nine yards. The
43:22room was completely dark. The blind was
43:24closed. His daughter was there. And the
43:26first words out of his mouth to me was
43:29"Doc, how much time have I got?"
43:32I mean, it was a catastrophe. Like
43:34there's no light, no circadian rhythm.
43:36This guy was depressed.
43:38I immediately called my respiratory
43:39therapist, immediately called the charge
43:41nurse. We got everybody together. And I
43:44said, "We need to get this guy outside."
43:45It was a bright and sunny day.
43:47How are we going to get this guy
43:48outside? 35 liters, 100%. We My
43:50respiratory therapist, Kim, managed to
43:53put a couple of oxygen tanks together.
43:55And we were able to get this guy into a
43:57wheelchair.
43:58And we wheeled him outside.
44:00And uh he told me this uh weeks later.
44:04But he says, "You know, that first day
44:06that you got me outside in the sun cuz
44:08we did this for like 7 days in a row.
44:10He said, "That felt so good."
44:13Um he after just 1 day dropped down from
44:1635 L to 15 L.
44:1815 L of of oxygen. And then down to 12,
44:21and then down to 8 the next day, and
44:23then down to 5. 5 days The amount of
44:25oxygen he was inhaling to keep him
44:27alive. Correct. So, in other words, we
44:29were titrating down the amount of oxygen
44:30that we had to give him to maintain a
44:32saturation in the 90s. In 5 days he was
44:35discharged home without oxygen.
44:38Now, obviously that's an anecdote,
44:40right? That's not a study. But, I'm
44:42looking at the risks of getting people
44:44out in the sun for 15-20 minutes.
44:46There's not a lot of risk to that. And
44:48if there's a benefit, I thought it was
44:49worthwhile doing. We we need to have
44:51larger randomized controlled trials, but
44:54it got me down the road to looking to
44:55see what what was it
44:58about sunlight
45:00that was affecting this change. And you
45:01know what? There was There's There's
45:03ample data.
45:04There There was a study actually that
45:06was done
45:07in in Europe where they looked They
45:09said, "Okay, here's COVID. COVID's going
45:12up. When does COVID go up? Is it because
45:15of temperature that changes? Is it
45:17because of humidity?" And the answers to
45:18both of those were no. Do you know what
45:20predicted when countries were to have
45:22their first surge in the autumn of 2020?
45:24There was a study that was actually done
45:25on this.
45:26It was latitude.
45:28It started in Finland
45:30and then real it went down the entire
45:32continent. The last country in the in
45:34the autumn of 2020 to have a COVID surge
45:37was Greece.
45:38So, as the sun is literally pulling down
45:41into the southern hemisphere, as the
45:43shadow starts to go over Europe, that's
45:45when we start to see
45:47COVID surges one by one by one. There
45:49was Yeah. Is that Is that because COVID
45:53and the sun aren't friends? So, if I it
45:55makes it harder to spread because, you
45:57know, if I put COVID on this table and
45:58then I put sunlight on the table, the
46:00COVID is going to die. Yeah, it's
46:01possible. Although we now know that
46:04COVID probably doesn't spread too much
46:06through contact. It's it's more of an
46:08airborne thing. So there there was a
46:10study that was done at the University of
46:12Edinburgh.
46:13And they looked at this very question
46:16that we had talked about earlier about
46:17vitamin D. They looked at the United
46:19States in the in the wintertime.
46:21So and they eliminated the southern part
46:23of the United States because in the
46:24southern part of the United States you
46:25can actually get some vitamin D in the
46:27wintertime. So they just looked at the
46:29sort of the northern portion of the
46:30United States and they were able to show
46:32that the more sunlight there was in
46:36particular areas, the lower the
46:38mortality from COVID-19.
46:41So they said, "Well, this is
46:42interesting.
46:43What about in England?" So they they did
46:45the exact same study in England and and
46:47sure enough of course they didn't have
46:49to eliminate any part of England because
46:50the whole country doesn't get in any
46:52vitamin D in the wintertime. What they
46:54showed was that again, certain parts of
46:56the country in England as you know, get
46:58more sunlight than other parts. Well,
46:59those areas that got more sunlight had
47:01lower
47:03mortality from COVID-19. Then they took
47:05the same
47:07They predicated the same study and they
47:08looked in Italy.
47:10Exactly the same finding and they
47:12published this. And they said in their
47:14study and this is what really amazed me.
47:16They said,
47:18"The fact if this is causal,
47:20they say." They said that
47:23this might actually show a possible
47:27public health intervention. The fact
47:29that it is completely independent of
47:31vitamin D means that there's something
47:33else going on.
47:35There was a study in 2011 in Sweden.
47:38Yes.
47:39Is that linked to this?
47:40>> No, this is a completely different
47:42study. But that that's also a very
47:43important study. So the Swedish study is
47:45is is groundbreaking. Um
47:48This was a study where they asked 20,000
47:5120 to 30,000 Swedish women
47:54about their habits in sunlight.
47:56And they divided these women into three
47:59categories. Those women that did not get
48:01a lot of sun, those that got a moderate
48:03amount of sun, and those that got a lot
48:05of sun. And they followed them for 20
48:07years. And they they kept a track of
48:10each one that died and what they died
48:12of.
48:13And when they were done with that, they
48:14were astonished because what they found
48:16was that
48:17the women who had spent most spent the
48:20large amount of their time outside or
48:21that spent the most amount of time
48:22outside
48:24had
48:25the least amount of mortality from
48:27cancer,
48:29from cardiovascular disease, and
48:30non-cardiovascular disease. And those
48:32that spent the least amount of time
48:34outside had the highest levels of that.
48:36The magnitude difference between those
48:38two was so much
48:41that they were able to show that women
48:43who in Sweden
48:46who spent the most amount of time
48:47outside and smoked
48:51had the same mortality as those women
48:53that did not spend as much time outside
48:56and did not smoke.
48:59They were equal. They were equal. In
49:01other words,
49:02being in that category of not spending
49:04much time outside in the sun was the
49:07same risk factor for death as smoking.
49:10How do they know it wasn't linked to
49:12exercise? How are they able to establish
49:14causation cuz that's a You're absolutely
49:16That's an excellent question. So, the
49:18the difference here as you go up is this
49:20is a this is an association study, okay?
49:23So, the question is is how can you get
49:25causation from association? You can't.
49:28But, if you look at the Bradford Hill
49:30criteria, there is a way that you can
49:33potentially make a a strong argument for
49:36causation if there's something called a
49:37dose-response curve. In other words, if
49:41you can show you're not just comparing
49:43two things, but you're comparing three
49:45or more, if you can show that as you
49:48increase
49:49the variable, that there is a change in
49:51the
49:53the outputs that is strongly suggestive
49:55of potentially causation. By the way,
49:56this is exactly what we did to show that
49:58smoking causes lung cancer. Obviously,
50:00we can't do a randomized control trial
50:02here. You get to smoke, you don't get to
50:04smoke. We'll follow up in 20 years to
50:05see who has lung cancer. This is exactly
50:07what we did. We showed that that there
50:09was such a strong association with
50:11cancer risk with smoking that we were
50:13able to say through association that
50:15smoking causes lung cancer. By the way,
50:18Richard Weller
50:20was a dermatologist in England uh did
50:23just last year a very similar study as
50:25to the Swedish study except it was 10
50:26times bigger
50:28and he did it with both men and women.
50:31He found the same results.
50:34It was a UK Biobank study.
50:36What did he discover? He discovered that
50:39either from
50:40from solariums or from um or being
50:44outside using solar radiation data
50:47uh he was able to show both on their
50:50their questionnaire and also where they
50:51lived
50:53that the more light that they had the
50:55lower their risk as of of um mortality
50:58uh and um and cancer mortality. So, the
51:01question was
51:02does it increase melanoma?
51:05What's melanoma? Melanoma is is a skin
51:07cancer. So, that's the big risk. That's
51:09the big risk that everybody's concerned
51:10about. You go out into the sun sun and
51:12you're going to get skin cancer.
51:13And he was able to show in that study
51:15this was like three three 400,000 people
51:19in this study. UK Biobank study, Richard
51:21Weller.
51:22He was able to show that
51:24there was no increased there's no
51:26statistical increased risk of melanoma
51:29incidence but there was
51:32a reduction in non-skin cancer
51:35mortality.
51:37Okay, so so here's the trade-off. If you
51:39want to go out into the sun in England
51:42okay?
51:43The benefits are you're going to have a
51:45reduction
51:47in non-skin cancer mortality. So,
51:49everything other than skin cancer?
51:51>> Correct.
51:52On the other hand, there's no increase
51:54in melanoma incidence. So, that caused
51:57him to write an a an op-ed and publish
52:00it. And actually, you can look up this
52:02op-ed. It's a great op-ed. Uh it
52:04published in a um
52:05in the Journal of Investigative
52:07Dermatology called Sunlight: Time for a
52:10Rethink. Where he goes through the
52:12arguments. And he's actually shown And
52:14there's been a number of changes that
52:16people have making around the globe. So,
52:18public health uh
52:20organizations that are saying now, you
52:23know, before we have said
52:25that, you know, the the sun is a deadly
52:27laser.
52:29And you should avoid it at all costs.
52:31We may need to rethink that.
52:33So, you telling me that essentially 15
52:35minutes in the sun every day turns on a
52:37switch in my body that improves my
52:40mitochondrial function, which is going
52:42to impact a variety of different parts
52:44of my health. Is that essentially what
52:46you're saying? Essentially, yes. Uh and
52:48and we're we're looking And this is in
52:50an environment where where we are
52:52spending less and less and less time.
52:55To give To give you To put in
52:56perspective, if we were on a British
52:58ship 300 years ago, and I came to you
53:01and I said, "Do you see this little
53:02yellow fruit? Just by eating a little
53:05bit of this yellow fruit, all of this
53:06disease that you're seeing around you
53:07with your fellow shipmates is going to
53:09go away." That that would seem almost
53:10incredulous, right? But, that's exactly
53:12the case.
53:14We We are
53:16The scurvy of the 21st century is the
53:18lack of sunlight.
53:20Everything is inside.
53:23Uh we we avoid the outside. We avoid
53:25discomfort. We avoid high temperatures.
53:27We avoid low temperatures. We uh are We
53:30used to go out and play sports. We now
53:32are are playing virtual sports on on
53:35pads.
53:36We have windows
53:38that are specifically designed,
53:39especially here here Southern
53:40California, to eliminate infrared
53:43lights. Because why? Infrared lights
53:45comes in and it heats up. One of the
53:47interesting things we didn't mention
53:49this about infrared light is the way
53:50that we interact with infrared light.
53:52You can You can tell this on your own.
53:53You go outside
53:55and
53:56close your eyes. You can tell which side
53:59of your body the sun is on. And the
54:00reason is is because that infrared light
54:03not only can penetrate through your
54:04body, it's also penetrating through
54:06clothes
54:07very easily.
54:08And you can feel that. That That heat
54:10that you're feeling is the infrared
54:12light going through this going through
54:14the clothes, going through the skin, and
54:15interacting with your heat receptors
54:17that are well below the surface.
54:19Um so all of this
54:22All right, guys. Pretty good. I got
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56:13How long does the average American spend
56:15indoors? Does the average Brit spend
56:16indoors? Good question. They're almost
56:19identical. I think the Brits spend a
56:21little bit more time outside than
56:22Americans. The The last number for
56:25Americans was 93%
56:27and uh Brits is 92%.
56:29>> Were we born to be outside? I think so.
56:32You think our ancestors probably spent a
56:33huge amount of time outside? Yeah. And
56:35And And if you think about when I say
56:37outside, that also brings into play a
56:40number of other of the new start letters
56:42that we haven't talked about. Uh
56:44exercise. You're much more likely to do
56:46good exercise outside. You're much more
56:48likely to get air that's that's the
56:51right type of air outside.
56:53The other aspect about infrared light,
56:55briefly,
56:56is that trees
56:58are highly reflective of infrared light.
57:01In other words, if you're in an
57:02environment where there are trees are
57:04present, you're going to get much more
57:06of this beneficial infrared light than
57:08if you're in a concrete jungle.
57:10So So So plants like this. In fact, the
57:14way that we measure the deforestation of
57:16the Amazon is through satellite imaging
57:19that looks at infrared light because it
57:21reflects infrared light back. So,
57:24the best thing best situation to be in
57:27is to be outside
57:29on a green
57:30on a day where where there's lots of
57:32green trees. We've known for We've known
57:34for decades that people who live in
57:36green spaces
57:38do much better in terms of diabetes, do
57:40much better in terms of hypertension,
57:42mortality, all of these things.
57:44>> Depression. Depression, all of these
57:45things, yeah.
57:46And And when you think about this, um
57:50you bring up a point in terms of of
57:52correlation. How do we know it's not
57:53depression? We used to say, "Well,
57:55people who live in green spaces have
57:57more money."
57:58that people have They have more access
58:00to things. Maybe that's what we're
58:01saying.
58:02I just have to tell you this study.
58:03There was something called the
58:04GreenHeart study in South Louisville,
58:06Kentucky. They did an amazing thing.
58:08They took this 4-square-mile area
58:11in South Louisville, Kentucky, urbanized
58:14area.
58:16And they measured everybody's hs-CRP.
58:19What is hs-CRP? Highly sensitive
58:22C-reactive protein. It's a marker of
58:25inflammation, and it's been correlated
58:27to bad things like stroke and heart
58:29attack. So, if you have high levels of
58:31CRP, that's not good.
58:34So, they measured every They measured
58:35about 700 people.
58:37And then they did something
58:39extraordinary. They purchased 8,000
58:43mature trees,
58:45dug holes, and planted 8,000 trees into
58:484-square-mile area. And these are trees
58:50with leaves on them.
58:522 years later, they come back and they
58:54measure all 700 people in their study.
58:57Repeat the hs-CRP.
58:59Dropped by 13 to 20%, which correlated
59:02to about a 10 to 15% reduction in
59:04strokes.
59:05These people didn't change their
59:07socioeconomic status. They didn't
59:09institute an exercise program. And so,
59:12really, it kind of shoots in the heart
59:14the idea that the advantage that we see
59:17with green spaces has to do with
59:19something else that we're not measuring.
59:20I actually believe that we'll talk about
59:23fresh air, too, that things like
59:26these plants,
59:28but much bigger. This is kind of like a
59:29bonsai plant. But But trees outside,
59:32they actually have a benefit. And what
59:34they represent, again, is
59:37these things that
59:40don't leverage the other parts of your
59:42body in the in terms of the chains uh
59:45that make all of the chains bigger cuz
59:46they're they're they're they're having a
59:48benefit. But you can't get the benefit
59:49of this if you're inside a house. So,
59:52what should we do about this in terms of
59:54how what changes should I make in my
59:56life to capitalize on this? Um this is a
59:59This brand here is called Bon Charge.
1:00:01They do these Yeah. these red light
1:00:03devices. They do like red light saunas,
1:00:05blankets, um masks. They're actually a
1:00:07sponsor of mine because I I started
1:00:09wearing this and I think they they found
1:00:10out. And I started wearing it because of
1:00:13my girlfriend. Yeah. She was wearing it
1:00:15every day and I got curious. And so, I
1:00:16as I always do, I'm always super
1:00:17skeptical. Sure. So, I went on online
1:00:20and started looking at some of the
1:00:21research. And I was shocked. Yeah.
1:00:23>> It made no intuitive sense to me that a
1:00:25red light mask or any like red light
1:00:27device could have a profound like what I
1:00:29see is a profound impact on my health.
1:00:30Like I didn't believe it Yes.
1:00:32>> to start with. Yes.
1:00:33>> like woo-woo stuff to me. I I Yeah.
1:00:34>> But I couldn't disprove it. Right. All
1:00:36the studies, many of which you've
1:00:37referenced, um supported that it was
1:00:40having a profound impact. And as I said
1:00:41on this podcast before, my girlfriend's
1:00:42always right.
1:00:44She's like always ahead of the curve and
1:00:45always right. So, I started wearing her
1:00:47mask and now I have my own from Bon
1:00:48Charge.
1:00:49>> Yeah. Ish. Do you recommend these kinds
1:00:50of things? I I think it's reasonable to
1:00:53do. I will say this. Um if you are
1:00:56getting enough infrared light from the
1:00:58sun,
1:00:59what we find in studies, not
1:01:01particularly with the mask, but we find
1:01:02in other things, is that these these
1:01:04other areas don't have as much efficacy.
1:01:07It's almost to say, if you're on a ship
1:01:09with a bunch of people with scurvy and
1:01:10you already have a diet that's rich in
1:01:12vegetables and fruits, eating an extra
1:01:14lemon is not going to be that
1:01:15beneficial. So, what do you do? Like a
1:01:17lot of doctors do, we have shifts that
1:01:19go from 7:00 a.m. to the p.m. So, you're
1:01:21in the hospital, you're not going to get
1:01:22outside. So, at lunch, I try to get
1:01:24outside as much as I possibly can into
1:01:26the sun for my 15 minutes.
1:01:28>> What if you live in a cloudy country?
1:01:30So, that's a good point. Uh clouds,
1:01:33because they are water molecules, will
1:01:35absorb a lot of the infrared lights. And
1:01:38the problem is is that that's the
1:01:40exactly the type of light that you want
1:01:42to get. However, even on a cloudy day,
1:01:44being outside, you're going to get more
1:01:46infrared lights than if you were inside.
1:01:49Okay, so I still get the light I need
1:01:53when it's cloudy, but I just don't get a
1:01:55lot.
1:01:56Yes, exactly.
1:01:57>> Is there anything I can do to get if
1:01:59it's super cloudy and I know I'm going
1:02:01to be indoors,
1:02:03what do I do then? Yeah. So, the light
1:02:05the type of lights that we have inside,
1:02:07like these ones? Like these. Uh and and
1:02:10and actually, I think the UK and the
1:02:12United States are very similar in this
1:02:13regard, is that we really can't get the
1:02:16old incandescent bulbs. We're on LED or
1:02:19or fluorescent. And if you think about
1:02:21what they've done in terms of of these
1:02:23bulbs,
1:02:26the old incandescent bulbs used to give
1:02:29you a very broad uh
1:02:31spectrum. So, all the way from, you
1:02:33know, just near blue all the way down
1:02:36into the into the infrared. The way that
1:02:38they've made the bulbs more efficient,
1:02:40they said, "Hey, let's stop using energy
1:02:43to give off this light that we can't see
1:02:46and give a very narrow spectrum of light
1:02:48that we can see."
1:02:50So, think about what they've done. They
1:02:51have for the first time in the history
1:02:53of humanity,
1:02:55they are now we are now being exposed to
1:02:57light
1:02:59in a very narrow spectrum without
1:03:01anything else. Whatever in the history
1:03:03of of humankind, when we light a candle,
1:03:06when we would go outside into the
1:03:08sunlight, when we would have a kerosene
1:03:10lamp,
1:03:11we were getting full spectrum.
1:03:13In other words, we were never getting
1:03:15blue lights without red lights. Now,
1:03:18we're starting to get blue light without
1:03:19red light.
1:03:20So So do I change my bulbs?
1:03:23It's difficult to do that because you
1:03:25can't pick up in these incandescent
1:03:27bulbs. Which brings me to I mean at
1:03:29least at least in the United States, we
1:03:31have laws now that outlaw the regular
1:03:33selling of incandescent bulbs because of
1:03:36energy efficiency. Oh yeah. I'm on
1:03:38Google now and I've typed in
1:03:39incandescent bulb. So there's something
1:03:41called a general service lamp, which is
1:03:43what the type of bulbs that you could
1:03:44plug in. But if you decide that you want
1:03:47to get a
1:03:48bulb that you put into your microwave or
1:03:50a bulb that you would do into a type of
1:03:52chandelier that's a special type of
1:03:54chandelier, those are still available.
1:03:56You can still get incandescent bulbs for
1:03:57those. What about these kinds of bulbs?
1:04:00Is that an incandescent bulb? That's a
1:04:03That is a That is an incandescent bulb.
1:04:04Again, for these special type of lights,
1:04:06but I'm I'm talking about the light like
1:04:09the like the the good old fashioned A90,
1:04:11I think it's called, light bulb that you
1:04:12just screw in.
1:04:13Those are
1:04:15the 120 watts, those are getting more
1:04:16difficult. You It's harder to find. You
1:04:18can't go down to your Home Depot and and
1:04:20find them there. So Glenn Jeffrey um and
1:04:24this is this is a preprint that he is
1:04:26he's done. He actually took
1:04:29people
1:04:30with that were working in this
1:04:31environment with LED bulbs. He's
1:04:33actually It's not peer-reviewed, it's
1:04:35not published yet, but it's a preprint,
1:04:37it's available on the internet, so I'm
1:04:38not speaking out of class.
1:04:40And what he did with 22 people is he
1:04:43switched out
1:04:45these LED bulbs and put in incandescent
1:04:48bulbs.
1:04:49And there was a there was a 25%
1:04:51improvement in in color differentiation
1:04:53in his study.
1:04:54What does that mean? They were able to
1:04:57distinguish colors 25% better than they
1:05:00were when they were exposed to LED LED
1:05:03When I say LED bulbs, these are the
1:05:04bulbs that are high on the blue end.
1:05:08Um so why would that be?
1:05:10The retina, which is the back of your
1:05:12eye, where in the light is coming in,
1:05:13there's these cones that are
1:05:16tremendously metabolically active.
1:05:19They're constantly updating, sending
1:05:21neural signals to the brain.
1:05:23And there's It's the It's the one tissue
1:05:25in your body with the most amount of
1:05:26mitochondria. And it's because they have
1:05:28to supply a lot of energy. As somebody
1:05:30gets older,
1:05:33that mitochondria is not producing the
1:05:35same amount of energy. And so, the the
1:05:37ability of the energy that those cones
1:05:40have to draw on to do their work is
1:05:42less. And so, they're not going to do
1:05:43the job as well.
1:05:45If you can perhaps increase the
1:05:47the
1:05:48the amount of output of energy from
1:05:50those mitochondria, you could improve
1:05:53the the the ability to visually
1:05:56perceive. And and and
1:05:58Glenn Jeffery has done this study
1:05:59already, where he
1:06:01for just 3 minutes,
1:06:03670 nanometer light, very similar to
1:06:05that mask, in the eye, only in the
1:06:07morning,
1:06:09improved
1:06:11those people's ability to to to to
1:06:14visualize and actually see.
1:06:16And what does that mean for the broader
1:06:18picture of our health?
1:06:19>> would be able to distinguish colors
1:06:21better and actually improve their
1:06:22vision.
1:06:24That's basically what it means.
1:06:26Um and so, the question goes back to the
1:06:27first question that you had at the very
1:06:29beginning of the podcast, which is what
1:06:31is the effect of low
1:06:33energy output from the mitochondria.
1:06:34Well, it depends on what tissue the
1:06:35mitochondria is in. And so, if it's in
1:06:37the eye,
1:06:40then it's going to be a bit better
1:06:42visual perception. If it's in the brain,
1:06:43it's dementia. If it's You know, you see
1:06:45You see what I'm saying? So, what we
1:06:47start to see
1:06:48is we start to see that a myriad of
1:06:51different diseases are affected by the
1:06:53sun.
1:06:55I I challenge anyone to do this. If you
1:06:57look at a publication in the United
1:07:00States, I've seen it, where they map out
1:07:02the amount of deaths
1:07:04per in a calendar day.
1:07:07Cardiac disease,
1:07:08respiratory disease, kidney disease,
1:07:11pneumonia,
1:07:13all sorts of diseases, infectious
1:07:15diseases, non-infectious diseases. You
1:07:17will see a very clear pattern.
1:07:20The maximum amount of deaths every year
1:07:23occurs
1:07:24within a month after the shortest day of
1:07:26the year.
1:07:28So, we're talking December, January.
1:07:32We see the most amount of influenza
1:07:33deaths at that time. We see the most
1:07:36amount of cardiac deaths at that time.
1:07:39We see the most amount of kidney deaths
1:07:41at that time.
1:07:42So, you might ask, well, that that's
1:07:44because
1:07:45that's because people get together at
1:07:47Christmas time and they spread the germs
1:07:49around more and we have Thanksgiving in
1:07:51late November here in the United States
1:07:53and and and and that's what's going on.
1:07:55The problem is is if you look at
1:07:57Australia,
1:07:58which is on the other end. So, when is
1:08:00their longest day of the year?
1:08:02Their longest day of the year is in
1:08:05December.
1:08:06And that's when they have the least
1:08:07amount of deaths, despite the fact that
1:08:09they're all getting together for
1:08:10Christmas in December. So, that doesn't
1:08:12fly.
1:08:14It's exactly the opposite. The most
1:08:16amount of deaths occur in Australia, in
1:08:19the Southern Hemisphere, in June to
1:08:21July. That's their winter.
1:08:23And so, what you see is deaths are
1:08:27correlated to the length of the day.
1:08:29This is the reason why whenever they
1:08:30have to whenever they show you deaths in
1:08:33the year, they always have to seasonally
1:08:35adjust it. And the length of the day is
1:08:37a proxy for the amount of sunlight.
1:08:39>> Absolutely. You're much more you're much
1:08:41more likely to get sunlight
1:08:44on the longest day of the year than the
1:08:45shortest day of the year, especially
1:08:46when and and this is well known. There
1:08:49there are some months, especially in
1:08:51people who are doing shift work, like
1:08:537:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m., there's
1:08:55literally like December and January, you
1:08:56will not see the sun because you are
1:08:58going off to work before the the gets up
1:09:00and you're you're coming home after the
1:09:02sun is long set.
1:09:04So, you're not you're not able to see
1:09:05the sun, and so you could go literally
1:09:07weeks
1:09:08without seeing the sun at all.
1:09:11Is there an optimal time of day to get
1:09:14sunlight? Yes.
1:09:16So, optimal time of day to get sunlight
1:09:18would be for those that are concerned
1:09:20about getting damage from ultraviolet
1:09:23radiation. As we talked about, when the
1:09:26sun is low in the sky, that's going to
1:09:29be beneficial because the ultraviolet
1:09:31cannot penetrate obliquely through the
1:09:33atmosphere as well as long wavelength
1:09:35radiation. So, when the sun is coming
1:09:37up,
1:09:38So, in the mornings? In the mornings,
1:09:39and when the sun is going down in the
1:09:41evenings. That's going to be the time
1:09:43where you're going to get proportionally
1:09:44more infrared light and
1:09:47the least amount of ultraviolet light.
1:09:48Now, when the sun is directly overhead
1:09:50at noon, you're going to be getting the
1:09:52most amount of infrared light at that
1:09:53time, but you're also going to be
1:09:55getting a lot of ultraviolet radiation.
1:09:56And so, if you're not someone that's
1:09:58gone out into the sun a lot, you may
1:10:00want to avoid this period of time. Or,
1:10:03as we talked about,
1:10:05put on a broad-brimmed hat, put on
1:10:07clothes. I mean, more clothes because
1:10:10as we said, ultraviolet light does not
1:10:12penetrate through clothes very well.
1:10:15But, infrared light can. Does it matter
1:10:16where the sun is hitting on my body?
1:10:18Shouldn't. So, if I go outside and I'm
1:10:20wearing a big hat, it's obviously going
1:10:22to cover my eyes, my face, Yes. but
1:10:24it'll be hitting my legs. For the
1:10:25purposes of we're talking about with the
1:10:27mitochondria, it will not matter.
1:10:28However, if we're talking about
1:10:30circadian rhythm, if we're talking about
1:10:33getting circadian rhythm, that pathway
1:10:35is through the eyes. So, you want to
1:10:37maximize light through the eyes. Yeah,
1:10:39so so this type of a light is called the
1:10:41SAD light. So, your question had to do
1:10:43with what part of the body does it need
1:10:44to touch?
1:10:45So, or need to be
1:10:47touching. So, for the effect of the
1:10:49mitochondria and and the metabolic
1:10:51effects, it it should not matter, okay?
1:10:54For this type of a light though, what
1:10:56we're looking at is circadian rhythm.
1:10:58And that's a that's a completely
1:11:01different system that we're talking
1:11:02about. That's not mitochondrial. That
1:11:04has to do with the internal clock that's
1:11:06in your brain that is regulating when
1:11:08all of these things in your body
1:11:09happens. And this light is about 10,000
1:11:13lux. Lux is a way of measuring the
1:11:14brightness of light. And what studies
1:11:17have shown is that when you shine this
1:11:19type of a light into your eyes, it had
1:11:22it it's the way of of adjusting your
1:11:25circadian rhythm. You don't have to If
1:11:26you have a clock and it's not set to the
1:11:27right time, there's a little thing at
1:11:28the back that you can pull out and you
1:11:29can change the time. Yeah. That pulling
1:11:32out and and changing the time about when
1:11:34things happen in your body is affected
1:11:36most
1:11:37by light. And light can actually shift
1:11:40it one way or the other depending on
1:11:42when you're shining that light. If
1:11:43you're shining the light in the morning
1:11:45time,
1:11:46and this is what a lot of people do is
1:11:47they'll use these these what they call
1:11:49SAD lights. SAD stands for seasonal
1:11:51affective disorder.
1:11:53These lights, especially in the morning,
1:11:55have a way of of not only setting your
1:11:58circadian rhythm and making sure it's on
1:12:00track, but also reducing depression.
1:12:04There's a there's a portion of your
1:12:05brain that receives light information.
1:12:07It's called the perihabenular nucleus.
1:12:10It's a long name, but it's it's it's
1:12:11back there. And if it doesn't get
1:12:13stimulated, it can cause depression.
1:12:16And so so for people who live at high
1:12:18latitudes,
1:12:19uh further away, closer to the poles,
1:12:22where the sun is getting up very late in
1:12:24the morning, they're already off work
1:12:25inside, this can actually be very
1:12:27beneficial. So, what I would recommend
1:12:29doing, you can pick these up pretty
1:12:30cheaply on Amazon for about 20 bucks.
1:12:33But they should generally be about 11 to
1:12:3516 in from your face.
1:12:37And uh what people should be getting is
1:12:39about 3,000 lux hours.
1:12:42Uh and what I mean by lux hours is you
1:12:44multiply the lux times the amount of
1:12:47hours that you're wearing it. So, 3,000
1:12:49is where you ought to be. Because this
1:12:51is 10,000 lux, you only have to look at
1:12:54it for about a third of an hour or 20
1:12:56minutes, and that should be enough. So,
1:12:58is this a replacement for going outside?
1:13:00It's a replacement for going outside
1:13:02because of the fact that you're living
1:13:04at a very high latitude and the sun is
1:13:05not up, and because of the job that you
1:13:07have,
1:13:08it's going to uh it's going to have that
1:13:10effect, but realize that this will not
1:13:12replace the effect that the sun has on
1:13:14your mitochondria. This is only to
1:13:16affect the effect that lack of sunlight
1:13:19has on depression. Okay. What if I'm
1:13:21looking at the sun out of a window?
1:13:24It depends on the window. So, you're not
1:13:26still the window is going to be reducing
1:13:28the amount of lux, so I would not
1:13:29recommend if you can, I would not
1:13:31recommend I would not say that staying
1:13:33inside looking out the window is the
1:13:34same as going outside. That's number
1:13:36one. The other thing that you have to
1:13:38understand is a lot of these windows,
1:13:39especially if they're modern windows,
1:13:42will be specifically designed to reduce
1:13:44infrared light. I want you to give some
1:13:46me any information you have yeah as it
1:13:48relates to light health Yeah. that will
1:13:51improve my life, things that I can act
1:13:52actionably do tomorrow. Obviously, one
1:13:54of them is that I'm going to go outside
1:13:55and make sure I get some sunlight
1:13:56ideally in the morning. Yes. We talked
1:13:58about this sad lamp
1:14:00for people especially that live in
1:14:02certain countries which it which have
1:14:04less sunlight
1:14:05>> Correct. to set their circadian rhythm
1:14:06and to help with things like mental
1:14:08health. Is there anything else I should
1:14:09be thinking about or can do or change?
1:14:11Yes. So, just like we had in our
1:14:15mnemonic of new start, rest and exercise
1:14:17both at the same time and then yet the
1:14:19short of opposite of each other, it's
1:14:21important to have darkness.
1:14:24Okay. It's important to have darkness,
1:14:25and this is a real issue. This is one of
1:14:27the biggest issues is the fact uh there
1:14:29was a study that was published recently
1:14:31and the title was dark days and bright
1:14:33nights,
1:14:35and that correlated with
1:14:37uh increased mortality.
1:14:39I mean, that's how most of us live.
1:14:40That's the problem. We have dark days
1:14:42and we have bright nights, and what we
1:14:43really should be having is bright days
1:14:45and dark nights. So, just as important
1:14:49as it is to have bright sunlight and
1:14:51getting outside in the middle of the
1:14:52day, we also need to start working on
1:14:54getting darker nights as well. And how
1:14:56do we do that? Turning things off.
1:14:59Uh getting the screens away from our
1:15:01eyes. Um these are really important
1:15:03because the screens have a lot of light
1:15:06and the light what's going on here? This
1:15:08is the reason why it's important.
1:15:09There's two reasons actually. Is the
1:15:11light that's going into our eyes is is
1:15:14doing two things at night. Number one,
1:15:16it is shutting down melatonin production
1:15:18from the pineal gland. And as we just
1:15:20talked about, melatonin's a very
1:15:21powerful antioxidant that's very
1:15:23beneficial.
1:15:25The second thing that it's doing is it's
1:15:27confusing your circadian rhythm. You
1:15:29see, your circadian rhythm is designed
1:15:31to see light as day.
1:15:33If your If your eyes are seeing light,
1:15:36your brain thinks it's the day. So, if
1:15:38it's 10:00 at night and your eyes are
1:15:41seeing light, your circadian rhythm is
1:15:43saying, "I must have made a mistake. I
1:15:45thought it was 10:00. It must not be
1:15:4710:00 because look, there is light."
1:15:49And so, what it's going to do is it's
1:15:51going to adjust itself
1:15:53and delay everything because it's
1:15:55saying, "Well, it can't be 10:00 at
1:15:56night. It must be 6:00."
1:15:59And so, therefore, when you would
1:16:00normally feel tired and sleepy at 10:00
1:16:04at night,
1:16:06after a number of days of doing this,
1:16:08you're not going to feel sleepy until
1:16:091:00 in the morning.
1:16:11These devices we have, they spit out a
1:16:13lot of blue light, right?
1:16:14>> Yes. Is there a way to like turn that
1:16:15off? Yeah, actually a lot of these come
1:16:18with uh with with tied to the clock
1:16:21where after a certain time of night, it
1:16:23will shift its its uh spectrum to a more
1:16:27red spectrum. So, it's giving you less
1:16:30blue light. The problem is is that while
1:16:33the sensor in your eyes are tuned more
1:16:37to blue light, it's not just blue light.
1:16:39So, really the solution The best
1:16:41solution is to turn off the lights.
1:16:43The next best solution is to have more
1:16:45of a red shift
1:16:47or you know, put these glasses on at
1:16:49night.
1:16:50So, these are blue blockers. They're
1:16:52trying to eliminate blue, but I'm I'm
1:16:55still getting light in and that's enough
1:16:56light to shut down melatonin production.
1:16:59Even with those on?
1:17:00>> Yeah. Absolutely. But you're telling me
1:17:02these help? They're better than not
1:17:04turning off the light.
1:17:05And you're saying I still get light in
1:17:07because there's light coming over the
1:17:08top.
1:17:08>> Even even that light there is still
1:17:10going to bleed and it's going to bleed
1:17:13into that part of the spectrum and cause
1:17:14melatonin to be shut down. Yeah.
1:17:17So, it's just the eyes are the sort of
1:17:19the barometer for Correct.
1:17:20>> what time of day it is.
1:17:21>> Correct. And and the problem is is that
1:17:23even when you close your lids,
1:17:25light can still get through the lids.
1:17:27What do you think of these sleep masks?
1:17:29>> I think they're I think they're great
1:17:31in terms of the fact that we now know
1:17:33that closing your eyelids still can
1:17:37allow some light to go in. So, if you're
1:17:39in if you're sleeping in an environment
1:17:41where, you know, light is out of your
1:17:43control. If you're living in the city
1:17:45and you can close your blinds but
1:17:46there's still light that's coming in,
1:17:48these things could actually be very
1:17:49beneficial. I don't recommend
1:17:51nightlights in bedrooms. You don't
1:17:54recommend
1:17:54>> not. I Even even clock radios or air
1:17:57conditioners with LED displays on them.
1:18:00That's that's just like total light
1:18:01pollution to your bedroom. Your bedroom
1:18:03should be as dark as possible. What if I
1:18:05have those lamps that don't have blue
1:18:07light in them?
1:18:08Cuz I think my girlfriend puts some of
1:18:10those by the bed. Yeah. Do they do
1:18:13they still not great?
1:18:14>> Again, the best thing is no light. The
1:18:16second best thing is light with no blue
1:18:18light in it and then the worst is, you
1:18:21know, blue light.
1:18:23What about candle light?
1:18:25That's interesting.
1:18:26Um there was a study that was done
1:18:29where they compared someone reading at
1:18:31night with a book with a light bulb
1:18:34shining on it versus the LED, uh you
1:18:37know, like a Kindle or whatever, okay?
1:18:39What they found was that there was a lot
1:18:41more light coming out of the Kindle than
1:18:43there was just reading the book with the
1:18:44with the lamp. And it and it delayed
1:18:48sleep onset.
1:18:49So Which delayed sleep onset? The
1:18:51Kindle. The Kindle. Yeah. It delayed
1:18:53sleep on enough to actually shut down
1:18:55actually delay the circadian rhythm and
1:18:57shut down melatonin production. So the
1:18:58answer to your question is is candle
1:19:00light's great. The only thing I'd be
1:19:01concerned about is just the fire risk.
1:19:03Yeah, cuz you fall asleep with that
1:19:05thing.
1:19:05>> Exactly. So the adjacent topic there was
1:19:07vitamin D which we we touched on a
1:19:09little bit. Do vitamin D supplements
1:19:11work? Oh yeah, certainly. They do work.
1:19:13I've tested them. Yeah, there's a number
1:19:15of studies that have come out. Martineau
1:19:17actually published in the British
1:19:19Medical Journal. This is back
1:19:21before 2020.
1:19:23It was a meta-analysis of randomized
1:19:25controlled trials showed that people who
1:19:26supplement every day with vitamin D had
1:19:28lower risks of acute chest syndrome.
1:19:31The other one there was a recent study
1:19:33that came out that showed that people
1:19:34who supplemented with 2,000
1:19:36international units a daily of vitamin D
1:19:39had a lower risk of all cause autoimmune
1:19:42conditions. We're talking rheumatoid
1:19:43arthritis,
1:19:45Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis, you
1:19:48name it.
1:19:49That was that was a
1:19:51study that came out that we actually
1:19:52reviewed that on our on our Med Cram
1:19:54channel. Cuz I've heard before in the
1:19:55past that a lot of vitamin supplements
1:19:57we take don't even get into our
1:19:59bloodstream and into our bodies.
1:20:01Yeah, so so vitamin D is very
1:20:03interesting.
1:20:05It is a supplement and it is a vitamin
1:20:07but it's also a hormone.
1:20:09Okay. It's it's it actually manipulates
1:20:12um
1:20:14DNA production. So it's it is quite
1:20:16interesting. But these these are are
1:20:18well described randomized controlled
1:20:19trials. So if you're looking at the
1:20:21autoimmune condition, this was actually
1:20:22a study that was designed looking at
1:20:24cardiac disease. They actually had two
1:20:27arms, one with
1:20:28omega fatty acids and and vitamin D and
1:20:31they showed that in the vitamin D group,
1:20:34there was a statistically reduction
1:20:37statistically significant reduction in
1:20:40autoimmune conditions.
1:20:42I supplement with vitamin D. I just
1:20:44Here's the
1:20:44Here's the concern I have is if you are
1:20:47going to supplement with vitamin D,
1:20:50make sure that you get your levels
1:20:51checked.
1:20:52Why?
1:20:53The reason is just because it is a
1:20:55fat-soluble vitamin and it is possible
1:20:57to take too much.
1:20:59What happens if you take too much? It
1:21:01can affect calcium metabolism and you
1:21:04can have issues with calcium, too high
1:21:06of levels of calcium.
1:21:08It's very rare,
1:21:10um but it can happen.
1:21:12And I don't mean to say that in a sense
1:21:14that I would I dissuade people from
1:21:15supplementing because I think
1:21:17supplementation can be good, but it at
1:21:19some point you want to get a level
1:21:20checked to see where you are. The other
1:21:22reason is is because
1:21:23based on your body habitus, based on
1:21:26your skin color, because people with
1:21:28darker skin, it's harder for them to
1:21:29make their own vitamin D. They need to
1:21:31be more time outside, especially if
1:21:33they're at high latitudes. So, like me
1:21:35living in the UK.
1:21:36>> Exactly. I need to be outside more. It's
1:21:38going to be harder for you to make as
1:21:40much vitamin D as as somebody who for
1:21:43instance if you were living at a lower
1:21:45latitude or if you had lighter skin,
1:21:46yeah. What is vitamin D doing in my
1:21:49body? Ah, good question. Lots of things.
1:21:52So, vitamin D if you were to look at the
1:21:54the structure of vitamin D. Actually, I
1:21:56actually did research on this
1:21:58interestingly in college. I used to make
1:21:59starting material for the graduate
1:22:01students. It's It's a lipid-soluble
1:22:03molecule and because it's lipid-soluble,
1:22:06it's able to go right through into the
1:22:08nucleus and actually go onto the DNA and
1:22:12combine with proteins that actually
1:22:14affects the transcription of your DNA.
1:22:17So, in other words, depending on which
1:22:19cell type we're talking about, it can
1:22:20cause a lot of interesting changes. So,
1:22:23it affects calcium metabolism. There's
1:22:25vitamin D receptors on your immune
1:22:27system.
1:22:29So, uh it affects your immune system,
1:22:31affects calcium metabolism, a whole host
1:22:33of things. My team did some research and
1:22:35found that approximately 1 billion
1:22:37people globally have a vitamin D
1:22:39deficiency. Not surprising.
1:22:41>> 50% of the global population has
1:22:43insufficient levels of vitamin D.
1:22:46Absolutely.
1:22:48Yeah.
1:22:49Yeah, so the the issue is is that as the
1:22:51world becomes more industrialized, as
1:22:54the world becomes more well-off,
1:22:57they're able to create dwellings and
1:22:59they're able to air condition those
1:23:00dwellings. And we, as human beings, tend
1:23:03to avoid extremes. We don't like things
1:23:06too hot, we don't like things too cold.
1:23:08Well, I mean, let's face it, in our cars
1:23:09we have something called climate
1:23:10control. We can set the We can set the
1:23:13temperature and that's what the
1:23:15temperature is going to be. There is
1:23:16this other implications which we can
1:23:17talk about in terms of hydrotherapy,
1:23:19perhaps, if we get to that. But, um the
1:23:22issue is is we don't like those
1:23:24extremes. We don't like going out into
1:23:25the sun. And when we don't do that, we
1:23:28we suffer the consequences. Is there a
1:23:30way for me to get vitamin D without
1:23:32supplementation and without going into
1:23:33the sun? Yes. Yeah, it's in uh certain
1:23:35foods as well. Mushrooms, for instance,
1:23:37uh certain types of fish. They're um
1:23:40they're they they have vitamin D in them
1:23:42as well.
1:23:44This is a strange question. But, do you
1:23:46think our body knows
1:23:48which foods we're deficient in?
1:23:51And really what I'm saying there is
1:23:53if I'm vitamin D deficient, do you think
1:23:55there's a part of my body that knows
1:23:56that I I need to eat mushrooms?
1:23:58>> a good question.
1:23:58>> makes me hungry for mushrooms. I don't
1:24:00know about that particularly. I can say
1:24:02this, though. In people who don't get
1:24:04enough sleep,
1:24:06we tend to have a predilection to eating
1:24:09more carbohydrate-rich foods.
1:24:12That one we do know. Okay. And and we
1:24:14can and this is the reason why people
1:24:15who
1:24:16This is the reason why many scientists
1:24:18believe that people who don't get enough
1:24:19sleep tend to have food choices that
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1:25:20Of these cards that we have left in
1:25:21front of us from the New Start
1:25:23framework,
1:25:24which one are you compelled to talk
1:25:25about next? Water.
1:25:27Water. Yeah. Okay, so tell me what you
1:25:30mean by water, cuz people will think,
1:25:31"Yeah, I drink enough water." Well,
1:25:33first of all, we I don't think we do
1:25:34drink enough water, but
1:25:36I what what everyone talks about, you
1:25:38know, the internal use of water, and it
1:25:40makes sense.
1:25:41But, as I was talking about before, the
1:25:43the external use of water can actually
1:25:45be very impressive. And it has to do
1:25:48with uh body temperature, and it has to
1:25:50do with the immune system.
1:25:51So, we'll talk about water, but let's
1:25:53sort of set the framework for that
1:25:54conversation.
1:25:56Your immune system is broken up into two
1:25:58into two types. There's the innate
1:26:00immune system and the adaptive.
1:26:02We've become very familiar with the
1:26:04adaptive immune system during COVID,
1:26:06because all the talk was about
1:26:07antibodies and antigens, and the fact
1:26:10that SARS-CoV-2 was mutating, and would
1:26:13the vaccines that made antibodies
1:26:15against them be uh still functional. All
1:26:18of that, where we have like where we
1:26:20literally have a key with a keyhole that
1:26:23it fits into and turns the lock and
1:26:24these antibodies and they fit, that's
1:26:26all the adaptive immune system. It's
1:26:28very important, but it completely
1:26:31eliminates or or removes from discussion
1:26:33the innate immune system. The innate
1:26:35immune system is really the body's first
1:26:38defense.
1:26:39And what's happening there is there's
1:26:41these cells that are circulating, cells
1:26:43like monocytes and natural killer cells
1:26:47and a number of other other cells which
1:26:49scour the body always looking for
1:26:51something that looks
1:26:53foreign to it. And it can tell based on
1:26:56the molecular patterns of these of these
1:27:00invaders that they're not supposed to be
1:27:02there and they should be eaten up.
1:27:05The major effector of this innate immune
1:27:08system is something called interferon.
1:27:12Interferon is a very
1:27:14important molecule in the body and it is
1:27:18effective it is so effective
1:27:21at preventing viral infections that just
1:27:24about every single viral infection that
1:27:27plagues the human body today has a
1:27:30defense mechanism against interferon. It
1:27:32is it is a prerequisite. There's no
1:27:35self-respecting
1:27:37virus that can think it it can infect a
1:27:40human body without dealing with the
1:27:42issue of interferon.
1:27:45Period. Think about interferon
1:27:48as the security guard at the bank. And
1:27:50if you are want to rob a bank, you've
1:27:52got to have a plan for how you're going
1:27:54to deal with the security guard.
1:27:55Otherwise, you're not getting the money.
1:27:57Does that make sense? Yeah.
1:27:58So, there was actually an article that
1:28:00was published a couple of years ago
1:28:02where they talked about this this battle
1:28:04between interferon and emerging viruses
1:28:07and what viruses are doing to try to get
1:28:09around interferon.
1:28:10You may recall that back in 2002, we had
1:28:14an outbreak of something called SARS,
1:28:16which especially was pretty bad in
1:28:18China, but also in Canada. The reason
1:28:20why we were able to secure that outbreak
1:28:24was because that everybody who came down
1:28:26with SARS
1:28:28developed a fever.
1:28:29And so it was easy to tell who those
1:28:31people were,
1:28:32and and we were able to hospitalize and
1:28:35isolate them.
1:28:36The issue with SARS-CoV-2, and indeed
1:28:38many infections like the common cold, is
1:28:41that you don't necessarily get a fever.
1:28:44And
1:28:45fever is really important. And you're
1:28:47like, what does this have to do with
1:28:48water? We're going to talk about this.
1:28:50Interferon
1:28:52production goes up with temperature.
1:28:55And in fact, the body's
1:28:57fever mechanism is one of the ways that
1:29:02it tells the body that it needs to
1:29:04increase interferon to deal with the
1:29:06viral infection. Is that why you feel
1:29:08hot? You feel hot You may actually feel
1:29:10cold. And the reason why you may feel
1:29:12cold and even have chills is because the
1:29:15way you feel is a product of what your
1:29:18temperature is and what your thermostat
1:29:20in your body is set to. So, if your body
1:29:22and your if your body's thermostat is
1:29:25saying, "Okay, here we are at 98.6
1:29:28or I guess in in terms of Celsius, 37°
1:29:32and you develop an infection, the body's
1:29:34going to say, "Whoa, we have an
1:29:36infection and we need to increase the
1:29:38body temperature. We're going from 37°
1:29:40or 98.6 up to 38° or or 100.4."
1:29:45Because your actual body temperature is
1:29:47below where your body wants it to be,
1:29:49you're going to feel cold. You're going
1:29:51to shiver to try to increase that
1:29:52temperature, so you go up with that.
1:29:55Now, once the fever is done and the
1:29:56infection is done
1:29:58and it comes down, you're going to have
1:29:59you're going to break a sweat. So,
1:30:01that's that's why when someone Oh, he's
1:30:03sweating. That means the fever is
1:30:04breaking. That means your temperature is
1:30:05coming down. So, you're typically you'll
1:30:07feel cold, you'll feel like you're
1:30:09shivering, you'll want to get into bed
1:30:11and and and put the covers on, and
1:30:13that's when your temperature goes up.
1:30:14That and and that's for a reason.
1:30:16Because what happens when the
1:30:17temperature goes up in your body is that
1:30:20creates an environment where the virus
1:30:22that can't replicate very well. All
1:30:24viruses really cannot replicate very
1:30:27well at high temperatures, including
1:30:28SARS-CoV-2. It's also a signal
1:30:32to your body to produce more interferon.
1:30:35So, there was a study that was published
1:30:37last year where they looked in mice,
1:30:40which by the way have the same body
1:30:41temperature as we do, and they found
1:30:43that there was like five different
1:30:45regulatory proteins, all of which led to
1:30:48one endpoint, and that was to produce
1:30:50this thing called interferon.
1:30:52All of them jumped in production when
1:30:54your body went from
1:30:5630
1:30:587° to 38°. That's basically right below
1:31:03a fever,
1:31:04right? So,
1:31:06the point the take-home point that I got
1:31:07from all of that was that we should not
1:31:10really be treating fevers unless they're
1:31:12so high that there's other complications
1:31:14that could occur like, you know, uh
1:31:17racing heart rates or or um or having
1:31:20seizures. But, we do this all the time.
1:31:22We treat fevers because it feel makes us
1:31:25feel bad, and we think that by treating
1:31:27the fever we'll feel better, but what
1:31:28we're actually doing is we're we're
1:31:30cutting the legs out from our immune
1:31:31system because part of the immune system
1:31:34response is to generate a fever, and the
1:31:36and the fever generates interferon. Now,
1:31:38I I don't want to overstate this, but
1:31:41let's compare the innate immune system
1:31:43to the adaptive immune system. The
1:31:45adaptive immune system is pretty
1:31:47specific for a particular variant of a
1:31:49virus. And for a virus that mutates very
1:31:52rapidly like SARS-CoV-2,
1:31:54the immunization may be very good in
1:31:56terms of binding,
1:31:58but if that
1:31:59that virus mutates,
1:32:01that binding is going to be affected in
1:32:04some way. It may not affect
1:32:05hospitalization, but maybe in terms of
1:32:07of preventing infection. Do you know you
1:32:08understand what I'm saying? So, the
1:32:10different variants, we had the alpha
1:32:11variant, then we had the the delta
1:32:13variant, then we had omicron, etc.
1:32:17Those
1:32:18are material changes for the adaptive
1:32:20immune system.
1:32:22For the innate immune system, for
1:32:23interferon,
1:32:25it doesn't matter.
1:32:26Interferon is just as effective against
1:32:28alpha as it was for delta as it would be
1:32:30for omicron. So, so let's set this up
1:32:32again.
1:32:34Water.
1:32:36We said that water has a very high
1:32:39specific heat, which means that if I
1:32:41apply hot water
1:32:44onto the human body, it's able to
1:32:46transfer heat. This is why people get
1:32:48burned with boiling water.
1:32:50We don't obviously want to burn anybody,
1:32:51but if we're able to put them into a
1:32:53sauna, if we're able to put them into a
1:32:54spa, if we're able to use hot towels and
1:32:57apply to the human body to heat up their
1:32:59body to cause a sweat,
1:33:01in other words, if we're able to induce
1:33:03artificial fevers in patients who have
1:33:05these infections,
1:33:07there seems to be evidence that the
1:33:10interferon response will be will be
1:33:12better. Uh there was a study that was
1:33:14done looking at lymphocytes and taking
1:33:16them out of the human body and at
1:33:17different temperatures, once it hit
1:33:19about 38, 39°, there was off-the-charts
1:33:23uh 10 10-fold increase in interferon,
1:33:26which is exactly what you would want to
1:33:28have. Now, how do I know that interferon
1:33:31levels are so important in things like
1:33:32COVID-19? Well, there was a study that
1:33:34was done that showed that high levels of
1:33:36interferon
1:33:38correlated with more mild
1:33:42uh
1:33:42uh SARS-CoV-2 infections and that people
1:33:44that had low interferon levels had very
1:33:47severe COVID-19 infections. So, you're
1:33:50suggesting that we should
1:33:52be in the sauna more often? Yes, and
1:33:54it's based on data
1:33:56that is
1:33:58has been well documented in in the
1:34:00Finnish sauna
1:34:03realm.
1:34:04So, people who use sauna
1:34:07four, five, six, seven times a week are
1:34:10more likely to have less
1:34:12uh death from cardiovascular disease
1:34:14than people who use sauna once a week.
1:34:17And and in Finland, once a week is kind
1:34:19of the standard. And why do they say to
1:34:21do hot and cold therapy together?
1:34:24So, they would
1:34:26I would argue that the reason why it has
1:34:29been argued to do this, and this goes
1:34:30back to uh a number of papers that have
1:34:32been written back over 100 years ago, is
1:34:35what you're doing when you're doing hot
1:34:36for a long period of time, let's say 20
1:34:38minutes in the sauna. And what you're
1:34:40doing is you're heating up the body,
1:34:42and uh and and the whole purpose of that
1:34:44is to increase the body temperature.
1:34:46What the What the cold at the end does
1:34:49is it does two things, they believe. The
1:34:51first thing that it does is it causes
1:34:53vasoconstriction. So, you put a brief
1:34:55amount of cold onto the body, it's going
1:34:58to cause vasoconstriction superficially,
1:35:00so that when you're done,
1:35:03you're not going to lose as much heat
1:35:05through those blood vessels. And so,
1:35:07you're going to keep the core body
1:35:08temperature higher for longer, which is
1:35:10exactly what you want to do. The other
1:35:12thing that cold water does, again, is
1:35:14the vasoconstriction. When you It's well
1:35:16known that when you take a cold shower,
1:35:18your blood vessels constrict, and when
1:35:20when you look at a blood vessel on end
1:35:23in in a person who's living and
1:35:25circulating, there are a number of white
1:35:27blood cells that are latched on to the
1:35:29inside surface of that blood vessel.
1:35:32When that blood vessel contracts, a lot
1:35:34of those white blood cells that were
1:35:36stuck get kicked off into circulation,
1:35:39and they go off, and they do whatever it
1:35:40is that they're going to do. It's called
1:35:41demargination. So, two things for cold
1:35:44right at the end. Doesn't have to be
1:35:45very long, maybe just a minute.
1:35:47It causes uh actually to keep your body
1:35:49temperature higher for longer,
1:35:51ironically, and number two,
1:35:53demargination.
1:35:55So, that's water, which is the W. Um
1:35:59of these,
1:36:01which one do you want to pick next?
1:36:02Which one do you find most compelling?
1:36:05Let's talk about air.
1:36:06Uh real briefly. So, we said that air is
1:36:11not just the lack of toxins, but
1:36:13actually benefits. So, first of all, we
1:36:15want to have good oxygen. We want to get
1:36:17rid of carbon dioxide, especially in
1:36:19buildings when there's no ventilation.
1:36:21That's not good. But, there's been
1:36:23actually a number of studies looking at
1:36:24plants and trees and the fact that they
1:36:27can give off things like phytoncides.
1:36:29What's that? These are are aromatic
1:36:31compounds that the tree actually gives
1:36:34off. And when we look to see the effect
1:36:38of these compounds on the human body,
1:36:40they're actually very beneficial. They
1:36:41interact with our immune system and
1:36:43elevate our immune system and actually
1:36:44can make us more relaxed. There's a
1:36:46There's a lot of data in the Japanese
1:36:48literature on on this in the what they
1:36:50call the hinoki cypress forests, where
1:36:53they looked at um these CEOs.
1:36:57There's a podcast about CEOs. There's
1:36:59these CEOs in Japan, and they took them
1:37:01from their their jobs and basically took
1:37:04them up into the mountains of the hinoki
1:37:06cypress and had them walk around, took
1:37:08blood tests, and they found that the
1:37:10natural killer cells, which are so
1:37:12important in terms of immunity, were not
1:37:14only increased in number, but they were
1:37:17also the the um
1:37:19the the enzymes within them that break
1:37:21down diseases or viruses were also
1:37:24increased.
1:37:26So, when they brought them back down to
1:37:29uh
1:37:29the city in Japan, they put them up in
1:37:32hotels, and they infused
1:37:34some of these uh these chemicals, these
1:37:37um naturally produced uh phytoncides,
1:37:40they're called, and they had almost
1:37:42exactly the same effects in in these uh
1:37:45in these uh subjects.
1:37:47So, you think plants and being out in
1:37:48nature could actually be giving us much
1:37:50more than just clean air. It's giving us
1:37:52chemicals which help us fight disease.
1:37:54>> Absolutely. So, so again, here's this
1:37:56dichotomy, inside versus outside. What
1:37:58do you get when you're outside? We've
1:38:00already talked about exercise. We've
1:38:02already talked about uh sunlight. And
1:38:05now we're adding to it fresh air. Not
1:38:08just the fact that you have uh
1:38:10low pollutants, which is certainly very
1:38:12important, but the fact that when you're
1:38:14around green plants, when you're around
1:38:15green trees, there could actually be a
1:38:17benefit. By the way, the benefit that
1:38:19they found lasted for about 7 days. So,
1:38:23just going out one day a week um can
1:38:26actually have that benefit.
1:38:28I think a lot about carbon dioxide at
1:38:30you cuz obviously cuz I I spend a lot of
1:38:31time sat in the studio recording and um
1:38:34this is our big LA studio, but uh
1:38:36in the UK, it started in a really small
1:38:39room and there wasn't air conditioning.
1:38:41And obviously I sit here sometimes for
1:38:42several hours with a guest and we're
1:38:44recycling CO2 at that point. And then I
1:38:47read a couple of studies that showed the
1:38:48impact that would have on my cognitive
1:38:50performance and
1:38:51That's all true. We actually had on our
1:38:53on our channel uh with uh Meg Cran, we
1:38:55had Dr. Joseph Allen out of the Harvard
1:38:58uh public school of health.
1:39:00Um and he he showed us. I mean, he
1:39:02literally uh had the the CO2 meter and
1:39:05just by cracking the window uh just a
1:39:07little bit allowed carbon dioxide to
1:39:10escape and brought down those carbon
1:39:11dioxide levels. So, very important,
1:39:13absolutely.
1:39:14And for people that work in offices or
1:39:16you know, travel in hotel rooms or are
1:39:18inside a lot, what should they be
1:39:19thinking about and how can they go about
1:39:21making sure that the air quality is
1:39:22optimal?
1:39:24Well, uh
1:39:25the surrogate for that is carbon dioxide
1:39:27as we mentioned. So, cracking open a
1:39:29window if they're able to, if there's a
1:39:30door that they can uh open up safely
1:39:32without, you know, compromising
1:39:33security. These are all things that uh
1:39:36would be very very beneficial. Even
1:39:38rolling down the window uh in in uh
1:39:41in in car and and maybe taking making
1:39:43sure that we're taking the uh that
1:39:45recirculation button off when we're when
1:39:47we're driving. I got friends that won't
1:39:49won't stay in certain hotel rooms unless
1:39:50the window opens cuz you know in a lot
1:39:52of hotel rooms, especially ones that are
1:39:53high up, you can't open the windows. And
1:39:55there's also a bunch of devices that we
1:39:57um
1:39:58in our UK studio, which is smaller,
1:40:00we found on Amazon for a you know, not
1:40:02super expensive, that we just sometimes
1:40:04put on the floor in the studio just to
1:40:05see Yeah. how we're doing. I'll link
1:40:07some of that stuff on screen if anyone's
1:40:08interested in getting seeing what the uh
1:40:10CO2 are in whatever room you're working
1:40:12in. Yeah. What is uh what's next on your
1:40:14list then here?
1:40:15>> Well, we've talked about I mean,
1:40:16exercise, nutrition, temperance, these
1:40:18are things that a lot of people talk
1:40:19about. Not many people talk about trust.
1:40:22When you say trust, you really mean
1:40:23religious faith and
1:40:25>> Religious faith uh
1:40:26something that would give you a a way of
1:40:30of dealing with uh stress and and
1:40:32anxiety. That's really where this comes
1:40:34down. And there's been actually a number
1:40:35of studies that have looked at that. So,
1:40:38yeah, basically the Bible. Um or it
1:40:40doesn't have to be the Bible as well.
1:40:42There's there's other faith um
1:40:44denominations that that look into this
1:40:47as well. Number of studies that have
1:40:48looked at trust in God and how that
1:40:52relates
1:40:53to anxiety. So, a number of studies have
1:40:55shown that people who have a good
1:40:58faith and trust in a God that is uh or
1:41:01or in a religion that is supportive and
1:41:03not non-supportive, they have less
1:41:06anxiety, less depression, have a faith
1:41:08community that they can uh engage with
1:41:11and and be supportive.
1:41:12Um and I think that that's that the
1:41:14literature is uh where where as you have
1:41:17it this the science behind that is not
1:41:19as strict as it would be for like a
1:41:21randomized placebo control trial.
1:41:23There's a lot of associations that you
1:41:24have to say here. Um that it certainly
1:41:26is one of those pillars that I believe
1:41:28helps with all of the those links. What
1:41:30do you think's going on there? So, you
1:41:31were telling me that from what the
1:41:33literature's saying, people
1:41:35>> who have a faith in a God Yes.
1:41:39are insulated from depression and
1:41:41anxiety in some interesting way. Yeah,
1:41:44that that's a question that a lot of
1:41:45people have tried to answer and and they
1:41:47believe that it comes down to if you
1:41:49have a trust in in a God that is looking
1:41:52out for you
1:41:53and is there on your side uh then that
1:41:57type of relationship does lead is
1:41:59associate let's say I shouldn't say does
1:42:02lead to because that implies causation.
1:42:03Let's say it's associated with
1:42:06a reduction in depression, a reduction
1:42:08in anxiety particularly.
1:42:10Um there's there's an there are some uh
1:42:12studies that have been done particularly
1:42:14in uh in Christianity where there was a
1:42:17study that was published. This is Krauss
1:42:19and uh out of I believe University of
1:42:22Texas where he did a survey and he asked
1:42:25people
1:42:26how they forgive.
1:42:28And he he divi- he basically divided
1:42:31them to two different groups. There were
1:42:33people that would forgive give
1:42:35conditionally and people that would
1:42:36forgive unconditionally. Let me put it
1:42:38into practical terms. Someone does
1:42:39something to you.
1:42:40And you say oh that's okay, I forgive
1:42:42you.
1:42:43The question is would you forgive that
1:42:45There's some people that would only
1:42:46forgive if that person came back and and
1:42:49you know, did some sort of act of
1:42:50contrition. Like okay, I'll forgive that
1:42:52person they came back and apologized or
1:42:55I'll forgive that person they came back
1:42:56and they did you know, whatever it is.
1:42:58That would be considered conditional
1:42:59forgiveness.
1:43:01The other type is unconditional
1:43:03forgiveness. So in other words, someone
1:43:04does something to you, you don't see
1:43:06them again. Or or they've never
1:43:08expressed any kind of you know, being
1:43:10apologetic for what they did. They still
1:43:13get forgiven. So that's unconditional
1:43:15forgiveness.
1:43:16What they found in the study when they
1:43:17divided that is that the people
1:43:20that forgave unconditionally
1:43:23had less
1:43:26depression.
1:43:27They had less feelings of inadequacy.
1:43:29They had less anxiety regarding uh end
1:43:32of life. They had all They had all of
1:43:34these They had more The people that
1:43:36forgave conditionally
1:43:38had more somatization of depression.
1:43:41So, these were real medical
1:43:44you know, things that they could
1:43:44actually diagnose with surveys and and
1:43:47and tests that are well validated. And
1:43:49and what what would decide between these
1:43:51two was how they forgave.
1:43:54So,
1:43:55they were puzzled by this. They said,
1:43:56"Well, what Well, what then what
1:43:57determines whether or not someone is
1:43:59going to forgive conditionally versus
1:44:00unconditionally?" So, they looked at a
1:44:02bunch of factors and none of them stood
1:44:04out except for one. And and the odds
1:44:06ratio on this was like 2.5.
1:44:09And and it boiled down to this one
1:44:10question.
1:44:11Do you believe
1:44:13that God has forgiven you?
1:44:16That was That was the major thing. If if
1:44:19somebody believed that the God that they
1:44:21had faith in had forgiven them, they
1:44:24were two and a half times more likely
1:44:26to to forgive somebody unconditionally.
1:44:29Which then meant Which then was
1:44:31associated with all of these other
1:44:33things being low, like low less
1:44:35depression, less anxiety.
1:44:38So,
1:44:39to me that that's an that's that's
1:44:40fascinating that that in their minds
1:44:44this is what's actually happening. And
1:44:46so, there have been randomized
1:44:47controlled trials where they have When
1:44:49people are doing therapy, like let's you
1:44:51say have you have anxiety. There is
1:44:53cognitive behavioral therapy that we can
1:44:54do for those people.
1:44:57But, what has been shown in a randomized
1:44:59placebo controlled fashion is that if
1:45:01somebody is of a faith
1:45:04and you inject into that cognitive
1:45:06behavioral therapy aspects of that
1:45:09faith,
1:45:10the cognitive behavioral therapy is even
1:45:12more effective.
1:45:16So,
1:45:17I guess I should preface this by saying
1:45:20I don't believe that any of this stuff
1:45:23should be placed on people without their
1:45:25permission. So,
1:45:27I'm working I work in a healthcare
1:45:28environment. So,
1:45:30do I go and pray for people
1:45:32who don't believe? No. This is something
1:45:35that that always has to be done
1:45:38it has to be asked permission.
1:45:39Do you think
1:45:40>> Yeah.
1:45:41people who believe in God are
1:45:44healthier generally?
1:45:46All other factors It would seem the data
1:45:48would indicate that
1:45:51people who
1:45:52have a healthy relationship with their
1:45:54church, who have a healthy relationship
1:45:56in God, are associated with less
1:45:59disease. Cuz from a causation point of
1:46:01view, you could say well Causation,
1:46:02yeah. So, this this is what we don't we
1:46:04They probably have more friends. They
1:46:05probably have Yeah. So, the question is
1:46:07is whether or not people who are
1:46:11healthier and have more friends are more
1:46:13likely to be religious or is it the
1:46:16other way around? And and sometimes it's
1:46:18difficult to tell those things.
1:46:20But I imagine there's a great calming
1:46:22force that comes from believing in a
1:46:23higher power.
1:46:24Absolutely. And and the other thing that
1:46:26the other thing that's interesting about
1:46:27all of these like new start stuff is
1:46:29when you look at other particular
1:46:31religions,
1:46:33how a lot of these things are actually
1:46:35incorporate in this. Like for instance,
1:46:37the Hindus are very famous for getting
1:46:39up in the morning and welcoming the sun.
1:46:41And we just talked about the benefits of
1:46:43of sunlight. We didn't talk too much
1:46:45about nutrition, but fasting is is an
1:46:46important part of that and and and
1:46:48Muslims are are obviously um
1:46:51part of their religion is actually doing
1:46:52fasting during Ramadan. So, religions
1:46:55have a hot and cold practice as well,
1:46:56don't they? Yes, yeah. At least through
1:46:58history. And on the flip side of that, I
1:47:00would say that it's also shown that if
1:47:02you have a unhealthy relationship, like
1:47:04if you have if you believe in a God who
1:47:06is vindictive or who's out to get you or
1:47:08who's going to do something to you
1:47:10unless you do something else, that has
1:47:12also been shown to be negatively
1:47:14impactful.
1:47:16So, it depends on the relationship that
1:47:18you've got. What do you see in your
1:47:20practice? Because you said something
1:47:21earlier that you you're often there at
1:47:23the end of people's lives. Yeah. Uh some
1:47:25unfortunately sometimes I'm the last
1:47:27person they see.
1:47:29And and it's
1:47:32you start to realize that you cannot I
1:47:34mean that death is inevitable.
1:47:36And all we do in medicine is delay the
1:47:39inevitable.
1:47:40So, what we try to do
1:47:43and um and and I have a colleague uh
1:47:45who's very philosophical about this is
1:47:48we try to make sure that when these
1:47:50things happen that they happen with
1:47:51dignity and we celebrate the person's
1:47:53life and and making sure that it's done
1:47:56in the way that they would want to have
1:47:57it done. What do people say as they're
1:48:00about to die?
1:48:02People become very
1:48:03it's very different uh for for different
1:48:05people, but uh they can become very
1:48:07circumspect and and uh
1:48:10I've seen such such contrasts. People
1:48:12are ready to go. People feel like
1:48:14they've they've done what they've come
1:48:16to do. And uh they don't want anything
1:48:19further to do. Like we're we're there to
1:48:21to to to to to delay death, right? We're
1:48:23there to put them on a ventilator or to
1:48:25give them this medication. And you would
1:48:27be surprised people who are look, you
1:48:31know, relatively healthy, but and
1:48:32something is happening that we could
1:48:33easily correct. They're like, "No, I I
1:48:36I don't want that. I I I choose not to
1:48:38have that." And we have to respect
1:48:39obviously what they
1:48:41what they choose. Obviously, we have to
1:48:42educate them to make sure that they're
1:48:44making the right choice, but once once
1:48:46they have given all the information
1:48:47ultimately they're the one that makes
1:48:49the decision. So, you see people choose
1:48:51death.
1:48:52When we can intervene in artificial
1:48:55ways, they would rather not have that
1:48:57and they would choose death, yes. Are
1:48:58there any particular cases that changed
1:49:00you?
1:49:01Yeah.
1:49:02Yeah, there's there's there's a case
1:49:03that changed me. But not in the way that
1:49:06we've just been talking about where it
1:49:07was horrible. This is this is actually a
1:49:09miracle.
1:49:10I've actually seen a miracle happen. And
1:49:12for me it happened early in my training.
1:49:15So, it it it made me think twice about
1:49:18being a prognosticating physician. A
1:49:20prognosticating physician?
1:49:21>> Yeah, saying oh
1:49:22you're never going to walk again or or
1:49:24you've only got 2 years to live. I I I
1:49:26must have missed that day in med school.
1:49:28I just didn't show up that day. This was
1:49:30a young guy. He was he had he had
1:49:33testicular cancer.
1:49:35And he went to the operation. The
1:49:37testicular cancer surgery was a success.
1:49:39Unfortunately, during the operation
1:49:42something happened. He didn't get enough
1:49:43oxygen to the brain and he came out of
1:49:45the operation with with anoxic injury of
1:49:48the brain.
1:49:49This guy must have been in his 20s. And
1:49:52he had a young wife.
1:49:54Um and uh
1:49:57I had come onto the rotation as a as a
1:49:59as a as a resident. And uh
1:50:02we had attendings and you have to
1:50:03realize in medicine you have attendings
1:50:05above you and what they say is just, you
1:50:07know, that's that's the word. That's
1:50:08what happens and and the ICU attending
1:50:10we were the ones that were sort of
1:50:11taking care of the patient cuz he was on
1:50:13a ventilator but there was the neuro
1:50:14neurologist who looked at everything and
1:50:16says, "Look, this guy is not waking up.
1:50:18He has severe anoxic brain injury. We've
1:50:21looked at the scans. This is what's
1:50:22going to happen."
1:50:24And so um
1:50:28everyday we'd round on this guy and he
1:50:30was just he was just a shaking mess. He
1:50:32was just there and he was just kind of
1:50:33shaking. His eyes were rolling. No
1:50:34response. Nothing.
1:50:36And everyday his wife would come in.
1:50:38Young wife. And she uh
1:50:42she just didn't believe that this guy
1:50:44was going to be like this for the rest
1:50:45of his life. He was going to wake up
1:50:46eventually and so she he would she would
1:50:48be at his bedside like attending to him
1:50:51and making sure this that and the other.
1:50:53And even asking us to put, you know,
1:50:55some special concoction that she made at
1:50:57home into his tube feeding so that this
1:50:59could go and help him make him better.
1:51:01And we would we would go along with her
1:51:03but I was looking into my attendings and
1:51:04they're like, "She's she does she
1:51:05doesn't understand what's going on. She
1:51:07doesn't understand that he's never going
1:51:08to wake up."
1:51:10So, this is this is what I'm seeing. Uh
1:51:12one day she came in and she's and she
1:51:14just had this
1:51:16smile on her face. She was just uh so at
1:51:19peace and a smile. And uh they they were
1:51:22Hispanic couple, so we had to ask a
1:51:23translator what was going on. And she
1:51:25told us, she said, um
1:51:28I had a dream last night.
1:51:30I had a dream that he was going to come
1:51:32home.
1:51:33And she was convinced.
1:51:36Just absolutely happy, beaming. And
1:51:38we're like, man, this lady
1:51:40is is crazy. She doesn't understand
1:51:42what's going on.
1:51:44Well,
1:51:45days went on, weeks went on, and uh
1:51:48one day uh and and where I was rounding,
1:51:50it was it's just in this round nursing
1:51:52The nursing station's in the middle, and
1:51:54the doors to the rooms are all around in
1:51:55a periphery.
1:51:57And we were going around the circle
1:51:58rounding on the patients, and I could
1:51:59look in, and I saw him, and he was kind
1:52:02of shaking, but he was kind of opening
1:52:03his eyes.
1:52:04And I said,
1:52:06he seems to be focusing a little bit.
1:52:08His eyes seem to be focusing a little
1:52:09bit more than they would be.
1:52:11And he kind of I I just said, I just
1:52:14kind of put my hand up like this, and I
1:52:15just kind of
1:52:16and sure enough,
1:52:18he put his hand up like this shaking.
1:52:20And he put it back down again. I'm like,
1:52:22what?
1:52:23>> at you. Yeah.
1:52:24What?
1:52:26And I said,
1:52:27let's go check this out again.
1:52:30Long story short,
1:52:31took months,
1:52:34but that guy walked out of that
1:52:35hospital.
1:52:376 months later, he and his wife came
1:52:40back.
1:52:41Walked onto the unit like like there was
1:52:43nothing wrong with the guy.
1:52:44And he gave us a big basket of flowers
1:52:47to thank that unit for what they had
1:52:49done for him. In my mind, I knew
1:52:52that for most of that staff, for most of
1:52:54that time,
1:52:56they the people were just going through
1:52:57the motions
1:52:58keeping him alive, cuz that's what she
1:52:59wanted.
1:53:01Obviously, when when there were signs
1:53:02that this guy was recovering, it was it
1:53:04was complete shift. People were amazed.
1:53:06And so, what that did to me in my career
1:53:11was it made me think twice.
1:53:13Like,
1:53:15what why did this guy get better? Now,
1:53:17he was 22, he was young. And And
1:53:19typically, if something like that is
1:53:21going to happen, it's going to happen in
1:53:22someone who's very young, whose mind is
1:53:24plastic, who can who can survive that
1:53:26type of a situation.
1:53:29But it really
1:53:30it was a miracle.
1:53:32I can't I can't say anything else. I
1:53:33mean, it's not something that we would
1:53:34know. All of the experts said that this
1:53:36wasn't going to happen, but it happened.
1:53:38What do you think happened?
1:53:40I think he had a loving wife
1:53:42who believed in him.
1:53:44And something happened outside of the
1:53:46physical and the mental.
1:53:48Maybe the spiritual. I don't know.
1:53:52It happens. It's very rare. And when it
1:53:55does happen, it happens in young people.
1:53:56That would be what the medical part of
1:53:58my brain would say.
1:53:59But the other part of my brain says,
1:54:01"You know what? I only know about 10%,
1:54:04maybe 5% of the world's knowl- No.
1:54:06World's knowledge? 1% of the world's
1:54:08knowledge. Maybe I have 5 to 10% of all
1:54:10of the medical knowledge in this world.
1:54:12And I would say probably the explanation
1:54:14is somewhere in that other 80 to 90%
1:54:17that I just don't know.
1:54:19I think what it taught me was is that we
1:54:21have to be humble
1:54:22about what it is that we know.
1:54:24There's things that we know we know, and
1:54:26there's things that we don't know
1:54:28that we don't know.
1:54:31We talked a little bit about this
1:54:32chemical earlier on, melatonin. Yeah. I
1:54:34just wanted to close this off because I
1:54:35had a question on it. Um a lot of people
1:54:37take melatonin supplements
1:54:39at night time to help them sleep. Yes.
1:54:42Good, bad, and different?
1:54:44I think it's good in certain situations.
1:54:46So, if you're having difficulty falling
1:54:48asleep, a little tiny dose of melatonin,
1:54:50no more than 5 mg, can be actually very
1:54:53beneficial. If you're wanting to shift
1:54:55your circadian rhythm back instead of it
1:54:57being pushed back, but you want it to be
1:54:59advanced forward, melatonin can be very
1:55:02beneficial. It's very beneficial for jet
1:55:04lag. It's also beneficial for a few
1:55:06sleep diseases, but I would not
1:55:08recommend routinely for no other reason
1:55:10taking large doses of melatonin. What's
1:55:12the trade-off?
1:55:14You said earlier on that everything has
1:55:15side effects, right? And it impacts
1:55:16another part of So, taking high doses of
1:55:18melatonin can actually make you more
1:55:20irritable.
1:55:21And have irritable? Irritable, yeah.
1:55:23>> In what regard? Just mentally irritable.
1:55:26Yeah. What does that look like?
1:55:28Things set you off,
1:55:30um eat more easily. So, like a a mood
1:55:32disorder?
1:55:32>> Yeah, absolutely. Anything else with
1:55:34melatonin that you're aware of?
1:55:36Not that we have studies for. People
1:55:38have concerns that sometimes taking too
1:55:40much melatonin may actually affect the
1:55:44melatonin secretion from the pineal
1:55:45gland itself. I don't have evidence of
1:55:47that as yet to see if that if that's
1:55:49actually the case.
1:55:51Dr. Rogers, is there anything else that
1:55:53we haven't discussed that we should have
1:55:54discussed?
1:55:56We've discussed a lot.
1:55:58Um
1:55:58I think I think putting it all together
1:56:01is
1:56:02again, the links.
1:56:05And if we have those links,
1:56:08medications have their place, but the
1:56:10way that they work is by breaking down
1:56:13other parts of the chain to strengthen
1:56:15the weak chain. That can have an effect,
1:56:17especially at the end of life if you
1:56:19want to sustain life. But if you're
1:56:21interested in longevity, if you're
1:56:23interested in making and living the best
1:56:25life,
1:56:26then you want to strengthen all of those
1:56:28chains. And I believe the key to doing
1:56:30that is something called NewStart.
1:56:33We have a closing tradition on this
1:56:34podcast where the last guest leaves a
1:56:36question for the next guest not knowing
1:56:37who they're leaving it for. And the
1:56:38question that was left for you is what
1:56:41is the area of your focus that you are
1:56:43most dying to talk about which you are
1:56:46almost never asked about?
1:56:50This book, the Bible.
1:56:52Uh which is my uh which is my tradition.
1:56:57Evidence for
1:57:01science
1:57:02in the Bible.
1:57:04What do you mean?
1:57:07This we we what we've been talking about
1:57:09is
1:57:11the body
1:57:12and the health of the body.
1:57:14Um I'd like to put to to the test some
1:57:17of the statements in the Bible to see if
1:57:19they work scientifically.
1:57:21Like turning water into wine?
1:57:23No, well, potentially.
1:57:25Uh that's a miracle.
1:57:26What I was referring to is is this. And
1:57:29this is what I've actually done and it's
1:57:31actually quite interesting.
1:57:32Is uh you know, Paul, who is one of the
1:57:35New Testament writers in the Bible,
1:57:37wrote to the Corinthians, "Don't you
1:57:39don't you understand that your body
1:57:42is the temple of the Holy Spirit?"
1:57:46I said, "That's that's a really
1:57:47interesting statement."
1:57:50How would he come to that conclusion?
1:57:51Like what does that mean, the temple of
1:57:53the Holy Spirit? So,
1:57:55the only temple at that time was the
1:57:57temple in Jerusalem where they would
1:57:59have the sacrifices and things. So, what
1:58:01I did was I went back and this is and
1:58:04this is answering the question is
1:58:06I'm looking for evidence of scientific
1:58:09truth
1:58:10probably unknowingly
1:58:12by some of the writers in the Bible to
1:58:14see whether or not there is truth. Does
1:58:16Does that make sense what I'm saying?
1:58:18So,
1:58:19if you look and most of Exodus 25
1:58:22through 30
1:58:23is this painstakingly detailed
1:58:26description of the sanctuary that Moses
1:58:29built in the wilderness that he
1:58:30supposedly he got from God. This is what
1:58:32he says.
1:58:33So, here's a great way to see whether or
1:58:35not this this all flashes out. Moses is
1:58:38saying, "Here's the description of the
1:58:39pattern that I got for the temple."
1:58:41And Paul is saying,
1:58:43"Your body is a temple." So, here's my
1:58:46hypothesis.
1:58:47If we look at the pattern in the temple,
1:58:50should it match
1:58:52the human body that they had no
1:58:54understanding of at the time that Paul
1:58:56wrote this. I We didn't know about cells
1:58:58until Van Leeuwenhoek in the 1600s. We
1:59:00didn't know about the circulation of the
1:59:02heart
1:59:03until the 1600s with um with
1:59:07William Harvey, okay?
1:59:09Yet,
1:59:11if you look in the human body, you have
1:59:14the blood system. You have blood
1:59:15circulating around in the vascular
1:59:16system. And then it And then it goes
1:59:18into the interstitial fluid.
1:59:21And then the interstitial fluid then
1:59:23goes to the cell, which is There's a
1:59:25There's a There's a plasma membrane on
1:59:27the cell that you can't penetrate
1:59:28through, but unless you actually have
1:59:29the proteins to go. And then it goes
1:59:31into the cell, which is a compartment
1:59:34with two compartments within it, right?
1:59:35You got the cell and the nucleus, right?
1:59:38This is exactly the same structure that
1:59:41Moses was given in in the wilderness.
1:59:43And And by the way, uh Hindu temples are
1:59:45actually similarly designed. They're
1:59:47sort of this three-part situation. So,
1:59:50you have this altar of sacrifice,
1:59:53which is where the blood is.
1:59:55That's That's the blood in the human
1:59:57body. Next, you move to the laver,
2:00:00which is this
2:00:01container full of water.
2:00:03And that's the interstitial space after
2:00:05you go from the blood into the
2:00:06interstitial space. Any pharmacologist
2:00:08will know that this is the exactly the
2:00:10pattern that you move to. The next thing
2:00:12that comes is this structure
2:00:14that has a veil that you can't penetrate
2:00:16through unless you you go through it.
2:00:19That's the cell cuz this this structure
2:00:21is the building and it's got a room
2:00:23within a room.
2:00:25And that's exactly what the cell is. The
2:00:26cell is this nucleus surrounded by the
2:00:28cytoplasm. Well, in this room that you
2:00:31go into it first,
2:00:33there's pieces of furniture in there
2:00:34that are very similar to the types of
2:00:37organelles that you see in the in the in
2:00:40the cytoplasm of the cell. For instance,
2:00:42there's this seven-branch candlestick
2:00:44that's in there that's burning olive oil
2:00:46and producing energy. That's like beta
2:00:48oxidation producing energy. That's
2:00:49exactly what you see in the
2:00:50mitochondria. But the final thing is you
2:00:53move into the nucleus. And this temple
2:00:55has something called the most holy place
2:00:58where there's this altar of
2:01:01where there's this ark of the covenant.
2:01:02You've seen Indiana Jones, right?
2:01:03>> Yeah. And and the first Raiders of the
2:01:05Lost Ark, there's this ark and you open
2:01:08it up and this is where the two tablets
2:01:10of stone, the 10 Commandments, rested.
2:01:13So, in
2:01:15that area you have two tablets of stone
2:01:19written by the hand of God
2:01:22the code
2:01:24of life.
2:01:25And according to Jewish and and
2:01:27Christian belief that this is the law
2:01:29and if you break the law that's how sin
2:01:31is and the consequences of sin is
2:01:33disease and death.
2:01:35Well, when we get to the nucleus of the
2:01:37human body
2:01:39you have two strands of DNA.
2:01:41And on the strands of DNA is the code.
2:01:45The nucleotides of which is the code of
2:01:47life. If you manipulate that code that
2:01:49leads to mutations which leads to
2:01:52disease and death.
2:01:55None of this was known until 1950 when
2:01:58they discovered DNA. And yet
2:02:00we have Paul
2:02:02who's making this jump and saying your
2:02:05body is the temple of the Holy Spirit.
2:02:07I just I just find that fascinating.
2:02:10Nobody ever asked me about that. But
2:02:11that's what As soon as you ask that
2:02:13question, that's the first thing that
2:02:15By the way, there's so many other places
2:02:17in in in the scriptures where I see that
2:02:20alluded to. Um
2:02:22it's fascinating. Paul Paul talks about
2:02:23the body of Christ and how it's
2:02:26one body, but it's made up of parts.
2:02:29There's the hand, the foot. He didn't
2:02:30know about cells, but that's exactly
2:02:32what the human body is. The human body
2:02:33is one body made up of many parts. Van
2:02:36Leeuwenhoek didn't discover that until
2:02:37the 1600s. We didn't have cell theory
2:02:40until the 1800s.
2:02:42So, this is it's interesting to me how
2:02:44statements are made in ancient texts
2:02:47which have scientific relevance far
2:02:49below the surface.
2:02:51I just find that interesting.
2:02:53Thank you so much and I hope to speak to
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2:02:58scientific subjects so unbelievably
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2:03:05And simplifying in a way that means that
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