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0:00Disclaimer. This video is for commentary
0:02and educational purposes only. All
0:04individuals are presumed innocent until
0:06proven guilty in a court of law. Any
0:08footage used in this video is obtained
0:10through public records and falls under
0:12fair use for the purpose of reporting,
0:14analysis, and public interest.
0:17>> I just got mad and started stabbing him
0:20by himself.
0:20>> But if you shot him, did he fall? Did he
0:22run?
0:22>> No, he was sitting down.
0:24>> So he shot him. He was still just
0:25sitting up.
0:26>> No. Um, he went up whenever that was.
0:30>> In early January 2017, the disappearance
0:33of Gabriel Lee Salazar quietly unsettled
0:35those who had last seen him. He had been
0:38staying with people he knew when
0:39communication abruptly stopped, leaving
0:41his family uncertain about where he had
0:43gone. By Sunday morning, his body was
0:46found behind a South Leic motel, left in
0:49the cold with a gunshot wound, multiple
0:51stab wounds, and devastating blunt force
0:54injuries to his head. The trauma was so
0:56severe that the bone above his left eye
0:58was exposed. Detectives immediately
1:01understood the violence behind his final
1:03moments, and their search for answers
1:04led them back to a small duplex on
1:06Avenue Q. As they reconstructed
1:09Gabriel's last hours, they identified
1:11the people who had crossed his path in
1:13the sequence of events that preceded his
1:15disappearance. What emerged was a night
1:17marked by panic, escalating brutality,
1:20and decisions that would draw several
1:22individuals into a rapidly tightening
1:24investigation.
1:25Among the names that surfaced, one
1:27quickly became central to the case. This
1:30is the interrogation of Ronaldo Jacob
1:32Enriquez.
1:33>> Detective Jenkins. Jacob. That was
1:35Detective P. Let's see.
1:38>> You okay?
1:39>> Yes, sir.
1:39>> Yeah. You good?
1:40>> Yeah. See you.
1:43>> You okay?
1:44>> Yeah.
1:49>> He's going to get you some water over
1:50there. I'm just going to put some
1:51information for you.
1:52>> You don't want to water something? It
1:54went too far.
1:56>> I'm gonna turn this on so I can to take
1:59notes. Okay.
2:02>> So I don't have to write down one of
2:04them to say.
2:06>> Let me get some information from you
2:08real quick. What? Will you spell your
2:09first one for me?
2:10>> R A Y N A L D O.
2:14>> Okay. You know it.
2:16>> Jacob. J A C O P.
2:19>> Your last name?
2:20>> Enriquez. E N R I Q U E Z.
2:25Okay. I know.
2:28Been a lot going on last few days and I
2:30appreciate you coming by.
2:32I'm the uh I'm the detective that's been
2:35working on this chase trying to this
2:37situation. I'll figure it out. Okay.
2:39Detective Phil's been helping me out a
2:40lot.
2:41>> And um
2:42>> whatever you need to know, I'll tell
2:43you.
2:43>> Okay. We've we've learned, you know, a
2:45lot. We have a lot of questions and I
2:46was really wanted to meet you with this.
2:48I know there's a lot of things you could
2:49tell coming before we talk. They told me
2:51out there that you had a ticket warrant
2:53or something.
2:55>> So,
2:55>> okay. So, I just want to because you're
2:58under arrest, I'm going to do the random
2:59warning. Have you heard that before?
3:01>> It's the prior on TV song and all that.
3:04You heard that? Okay. Because you're
3:05under arrest for the ticket warrant. I'm
3:07going to read you that because I want to
3:08make sure you understand what all your
3:10rights are and all that. Okay. And then
3:11we can talk because I want to be able to
3:12answer all of your questions, find out
3:14kind of your story. ticket warrant about
3:16what?
3:17>> That's what I was told. You ever do you
3:19have a traffic ticket warrant?
3:20>> No, I took care of that a long time ago.
3:22>> You don't have a warrant right now?
3:23>> Uhuh. We took I that's what I was in
3:25last time. That's what I took care of
3:27downtown.
3:30>> Was that was like I barely got out what
3:32maybe
3:34>> three weeks ago.
3:35>> Let me go over this and then we'll
3:36figure that out first. Okay. As soon as
3:38we go over this, we'll figure that out
3:40cuz I want I want you to understand. I
3:41want to make sure we all understand
3:42this.
3:42>> Yeah.
3:43>> All right. All right. You have the right
3:44right to remain silent, not make any
3:45statement at all. Any statement you make
3:47may use evidence against you at your
3:48trial. Any statement you make may use
3:50the evidence against you. You have the
3:51right to have a lawyer present to advise
3:53you prior to any question. If you're
3:55unable to employ a lawyer, you have the
3:56right to have a lawyer appointed to
3:57advise you prior to any question. And
3:59you have the right to terminate this
4:00interview at any time. Do you understand
4:02all of that?
4:04Um,
4:06and understanding of that, you not only
4:08intelligently and voluntarily just delay
4:11those rights so we can talk about what's
4:12going on.
4:14>> Not really getting it out the way then.
4:18>> Why don't we I mean, what So, what's
4:20going on?
4:21>> Well, what's going on with I didn't even
4:24know what y'all talking about.
4:25>> Okay. Well, you just said you wanted to
4:26get it out of the way.
4:27>> I just wanted to get out everything.
4:29>> You said you wanted to talk about
4:30>> Yeah.
4:31>> Yeah. I mean, you know,
4:32>> I I know what I'm what we're here for.
4:34>> And that's what And that's what I mean.
4:36>> Well, what's your what what's your
4:38story?
4:39>> That one I was the one that killed him.
4:42I was the one. But here's my side of the
4:45story. The reason why is cuz the guy
4:49threatened me with his own gun.
4:53Yes. And I know I'm going to go to jail
4:55for this. But yes, I feel bad. Yes, I
4:58really do. But I felt that it was my
5:00life over his. He was going to take my
5:02life and then he started talking was
5:04pretty bad.
5:05>> Yeah. And what I did was pretty bad too.
5:06And I'm like, cool. You know, it's
5:08wrong. But at the same time, it was my
5:10life over his.
5:11>> That's what we want.
5:12>> Do you know you want to hear the back
5:13story? We want to hear what happened led
5:14up to
5:15>> Do you know him?
5:16>> I don't really know.
5:16>> Do you know what he goes by or his name?
5:18I mean,
5:19>> I don't.
5:20>> How did y'all come? How did y'all like?
5:21>> Um, I just knew him because he said his
5:23name that day. His name was u I guess he
5:27goes by
5:29something. Um, what was it? Biscuit.
5:31>> Biscuit.
5:32>> That's what he said.
5:33>> Okay.
5:33>> That's what he sell me.
5:35>> Tell what happened that day.
5:36>> That day. Okay. It started off that he
5:39wanted me to bow down to him like he was
5:41some kind of god or something. I don't
5:43know. For some reason, he thought he was
5:46a god. And I I was getting mad for the
5:48simple fact that I shouldn't have to bow
5:50down to nobody. But I, you know,
5:54like I said,
5:57I feel like that I was just protecting
5:59myself. Really? Really? Really? I was
6:02protect.
6:03>> Where were you guys at?
6:04>> When you Where were you when all this
6:06happened?
6:07>> When he got killed,
6:09>> I just told you I was the one that
6:10killed him.
6:11>> Where were you?
6:13>> There's just some questions. I I just
6:14want to make sure that
6:15>> I was at geographical.
6:17>> Yeah.
6:17>> Oh, at Neva's house.
6:19>> Is that Geneva? the one whatever
6:21happening.
6:21>> You know her as Neva?
6:22>> I just know her.
6:23>> Where kind of is that house? Where's
6:24that
6:25>> been on the news?
6:27>> I know. I just want to make sure. Yeah.
6:28I don't want to take anything for
6:29granted and that's why I want to be able
6:30to take this time to learn from you kind
6:32of everything. So where where would you
6:34describe that house as being
6:35>> on 65th
6:36>> 65th
6:37>> and I don't remember just remember it
6:40was
6:40>> apartment.
6:41>> Apartment
6:43>> like multilevel one level.
6:45>> Um
6:46>> like one story, two story.
6:47>> Uh I think it's a one story.
6:49>> Okay. garage.
6:51>> So, you're over at NEA's house. Who all
6:53was there?
6:54>> We all was there with the people that
6:55just got caught and
6:58I was there.
7:00>> Okay.
7:01>> And so, this guy's there. He's telling
7:02you to bow down to him.
7:04>> Yeah. And he told me to bow down to him.
7:08I'm just telling you my son's story.
7:10>> Yeah, absolutely. And you know
7:13the re reason why
7:18I said and
7:22yeah I feel bad I do
7:25but I haven't been dying I'm
7:28but
7:30my life for years he threat me with his
7:33own gun. How did that go down? What
7:35happened? Well, whenever he was telling
7:38me to bow down to him, I got mad and I
7:41was like, I don't bow down to nobody.
7:44Okay? And I have real bad bipolar, but
7:48I've never hurt nobody like that. And
7:52what once he used my life and then
7:58triggered
7:59what triggered the most was
8:02that that little girl got molested.
8:04>> Yeah. And it hurt so bad. But at the
8:06same time, he was agging on because he I
8:10found out that day my baby mama
8:13named Tila
8:15Menz that her grandpa died. I found out
8:19from a family member
8:22and I was hurt at the same time and he
8:25was agoning it and agon you know the guy
8:28that got killed. I can't remember his
8:30name, but I'm a ghoul. You know,
8:35I'm the one that took his gun. I don't
8:38know.
8:39>> Well, when you was me, what day was it?
8:41>> I don't remember.
8:43>> I don't remember a day. I don't remember
8:44anything.
8:45>> How many days ago was it?
8:51>> I say about maybe 3 4 days ago.
8:54>> Okay.
8:55>> When does this happen?
8:55>> What time of day was it showing?
8:58Nighttime, morning, afternoon.
9:02>> Uh, this was noon.
9:04>> Round me.
9:05>> What' you shoot him with?
9:07>> His own gun.
9:08>> His gun?
9:08>> Yeah.
9:08>> What kind of gun was it?
9:09>> His gun was a 9 mm.
9:12>> Where is it now? Do you
9:13>> I threw it away. I
9:15>> No, I don't remember where, but I just
9:19did it for the simple fact that my life
9:21were his.
9:21>> How many times did you shoot him?
9:23>> Only shot him once.
9:24>> Where?
9:25>> On the side.
9:26>> On side?
9:27>> Yes, sir. What happened after you shot
9:28him?
9:29>> What happened?
9:33Got him down and I stabbed him and then
9:36from there took off.
9:37>> Stabbed?
9:38>> Yep.
9:38>> Where'd you stab him?
9:39>> My knife.
9:41>> Knife.
9:42>> What? You're on.
9:43>> Kitchen knife.
9:44>> Kitchen knife.
9:45>> Yep.
9:46>> Where's the knife? Do you know?
9:48>> I don't know. It was there.
9:50>> You didn't take it?
9:51>> No, sir.
9:52>> But you took the gun.
9:52>> I took the gun and I threw I don't
9:54remember where cuz I I was like so
9:57pissed off because all this stuff
9:59started happening to me about about my
10:03fian my my baby mama know.
10:06>> Yeah.
10:07>> So tell me
10:11how did you over end up over at Neva's
10:13house that day or what what happened for
10:15you to be over there that day?
10:16>> Um
10:18Nea I used to I would chill hang out
10:21there.
10:22>> Okay. He lived for hands with her,
10:25but somehow someway that's her cousin or
10:29something. Supposedly that's what they
10:31doing.
10:31>> The guy that got killed.
10:32>> Yeah. Who who all was there when you all
10:35were there?
10:36>> And I know we've talked to several
10:37people and you said the people that we
10:39talked to, but I kind of hear again from
10:41your story like who was there? Who you
10:43remember?
10:44>> It was me.
10:46>> Okay.
10:49And I've heard from several people that
10:51you have a brother named Josh.
10:52>> Yeah.
10:52>> That he was he was there too, right?
10:54>> Yeah.
10:55>> Okay.
10:56>> My brother.
10:58>> Who else?
11:00>> Eva.
11:02Um,
11:04like I said, I don't remember
11:06everybody's name. I just remember.
11:08>> Well, if you don't remember names, I
11:09mean, you say there was a How many guys
11:11were there total?
11:15>> Cool. When I did that,
11:19I ran.
11:21Like when I whenever I did that, I don't
11:23know what happened to the body. I don't.
11:25But I know what you're trying to get to.
11:26You're trying to investigate what
11:27happened. And you know what? What I'd
11:29like to kind of what I want to set up
11:31cuz I wasn't I wasn't there. Detective
11:32Pit wasn't there.
11:33>> And nobody can give us your story but
11:36you through your own eyes. You know what
11:37I mean?
11:38>> I want to be able to kind of picture
11:40myself there and see kind of what was
11:41going on.
11:43>> You don't want to get anybody else in
11:44trouble. Is that the deal?
11:45>> No. I was just um feel like
11:48>> cuz the hardest part you've already done
11:50the hardest part. The hardest part
11:51>> I know I know that
11:52>> came in here and owned it. You know
11:57>> um
11:57>> I don't know his name. And
11:59>> who what part of the house were you all
12:00in when they shot him? Where where were
12:02you all in the house? Where inside the
12:04house were you?
12:05>> I was in the living room.
12:06>> In the living room?
12:07>> Yeah.
12:08>> Was there anybody else? You and him in
12:09the living room?
12:10>> Yeah.
12:11>> Several people there?
12:12>> No, I was the one in the room
12:14>> with who? Anybody else other than you
12:16and the guy that got shot? Just you two.
12:18>> Just me and him.
12:19>> Where were the other people in the
12:20house? Do you know?
12:21>> Um,
12:23Neo was in her room by herself
12:26and my brother was outside with
12:30I don't remember that dude's name. But
12:33that dude that's on the news right now,
12:35that black dude.
12:36>> Mhm.
12:37>> Because to me,
12:39>> what did he do?
12:42Um, he was one.
12:43>> Is it you talking about the guy that was
12:45at the house yesterday? That's the only
12:47I can think of that like the SWAT team.
12:49>> Yeah.
12:49>> What was I can't remember his name. I
12:51don't remember.
12:52>> Did he was at the house with you?
12:53>> Mhm.
12:54>> What was he doing there?
12:56>> I don't He was the one that helped out.
12:59>> Yeah.
13:01>> I remember him.
13:06Me. Let me just be I just need to calm
13:09down. I'm trying to I'm trying to
13:10>> take your time.
13:13>> You want something to eat or
13:15>> Yeah, I really do.
13:16>> What do you want to eat?
13:17>> I don't care. I'm just hungry right now.
13:18>> What do you like?
13:20>> McDonald's or something?
13:21>> McDonald's?
13:22>> Yeah.
13:22>> What do you like for now?
13:24>> McDonald's.
13:25>> What do you just burger or what?
13:29>> No. Um chicken.
13:32>> Chicken and fries and
13:33>> chicken.
13:35Those are
13:37>> cool. You know, I'm honest.
13:40I don't remember the guy's name, but it
13:43makes it look bad on me because of I
13:46didn't know until I seen his face that
13:48he was a sex offender. I mean, like a
13:50sex uh sex whatever the hell it's called
13:52on use they said he was. But I want I
13:56want I want you to understand that
13:58>> I know
13:59>> I'm not I'm not pass judgment on you.
14:01>> Yeah.
14:01>> And Detective hits not either. We're
14:03just trying to figure out what happened.
14:04You know, people blew things for all
14:06different reasons. You know what I mean?
14:08>> I I did that. I'm going to admit that I
14:11shot him. I did a little bit of stabbing
14:12after that. I don't know.
14:15What's his name? That just got on the
14:17news yesterday or the day
14:18>> that black.
14:22>> He was there and he
14:23>> Do you know him? I mean, well, I'm
14:24curious as to why he was there.
14:26>> I don't know. I don't know him, but Neva
14:28knows him. Neva does.
14:32Neva,
14:32>> my understanding he sells dope
14:33sometimes. To be honest with you, I
14:36really don't know, sir. I really
14:37>> So, so Neva knows him and he was there.
14:39Okay. So, what did he do after the
14:41shooting?
14:43>> What did he do? He was the one that
14:49helped out with the stabbing.
14:52>> How do you mean helped out?
14:53>> He grabbed it. And like I said, he did
14:56helped out. Stabbed him.
14:58>> Where all did Where all did he get
14:59stabbed? I don't I really don't know.
15:01>> I know for my simple fact what I did to
15:04him. What I'm trying to tell
15:04>> And you said you got him.
15:05>> I got him right here on
15:07>> I thought you said you shot him in the
15:08side. You said
15:09>> I think it was the side. It was
15:10somewhere right here. I saw I think
15:12>> Yes, I did.
15:14>> I thought you said you stabbed him like
15:15>> I hit by the
15:17>> And um
15:21if I wasn't mistaken, I could have sworn
15:23he did a little bit of stabbing and he
15:26hit him with that bat.
15:27>> You're talking about the guy that was on
15:28TV yesterday.
15:29>> Yeah. Yeah, the hair B A B A B A B A B A
15:30B A B A B A B A B Afro whatever his name
15:31is. I don't remember his name. I don't
15:35I'm not good with names. But the guy in
15:37Afro, he was the one that hit him over
15:39the head.
15:41I don't know. Like I said, after that
15:43after all that happened.
15:48>> What did he hit him with?
15:49>> A bat.
15:50>> A bat?
15:51>> Yeah.
15:51>> Where did the bat come from? You know,
15:54>> I don't know. Like I really don't know.
15:56panic whenever he
15:59>> whenever he text me.
16:00>> Was any
16:02>> So he he's acting all crazy telling you
16:04to bow down to him and saying he's a
16:06god.
16:06>> Yeah. Like he he was that dude was on
16:09something when I first seen him. Like I
16:11knew him from a couple times meeting him
16:13and stuff, you know. He he he's been
16:16good a good guy with me and stuff. Then
16:18all of a sudden I guess he felt that I
16:21disrespected him on somehow like the way
16:24I said something to him. I told him, you
16:26know, that day he was acting very
16:28disrespectful, you know, to others. And
16:30then
16:32on the cool, I mean, I'm just trying to
16:35remember what all he told me that day.
16:36That day he was on something really bad.
16:38And I'm I'm really hurt right now.
16:42>> So, so he wanted he wanted me to go help
16:46him kill someone else.
16:47>> That dude that died,
16:50>> he wanted me to go help him kill his mom
16:51and his brother. That's what he want. I
16:54don't know why. Don't know why, but I'm
16:56like, well, he did.
16:58>> And I told him, I don't feel right. I
17:00was like, I don't feel comfortable. But
17:01whenever I got threatened
17:04with his own gun and said, "Quit being a
17:06bitch."
17:08>> Okay. So, I was like, "All right." So,
17:10what I did was
17:13I hit him one time, grabbed his gun,
17:14shot him. Not
17:17>> like, "Yeah, man. I I can't tell you how
17:19much I appreciate you coming up here to
17:20talk to me about this. I'm sure this is
17:21a very difficult thing for you to talk.
17:23>> It is. And I feel bad because like
17:24>> and the thing the thing is when we leave
17:26here
17:28and when we're done talking I just want
17:30to make sure that
17:32that we were honest with each other on
17:34all on all sides because this is kind of
17:35a I mean this is a big deal and I want
17:38to make sure honest with you.
17:40>> Did uh did it ever come up beforehand
17:42that this guy was like a a pervert?
17:45>> No, he was the one that said it.
17:46>> He said he was a pervert.
17:48>> Yes. He was the one that told me like
17:50out of the blue. Out of the blue, we
17:52were all just talking. When I told him,
17:54"Why should I bow down to you?" I guess
17:56he then he was saying he was some other
17:58god. Then he was saying he was a Buddha
18:02bull bull. I don't know. But on the
18:05court, like I told him, I said, "Dude,
18:06you're just a human." And then he
18:09started and then I don't know what it
18:10off. He said something about
18:14he
18:16he was a child molester.
18:18He told me and my brother
18:22and Neva and that black dude that went
18:25with the afro
18:27and
18:29that was it. That one at the house.
18:30>> How'd you feel? How's that? You said
18:32that made you
18:32>> That made me That made me upset.
18:34>> Anybody upset?
18:35>> Because on
18:37>> Yeah, it does.
18:37>> It is. It's disgusting.
18:39>> Well, when you sit there and laugh about
18:41something like that and not even care.
18:44Yeah, that that hurts.
18:46>> Yeah, it does. That that makes it And
18:48then he was talking about getting some
18:49other girl. I don't remember who.
18:51>> About what?
18:51>> Talking about getting some other girl
18:53that he wanted me to help him.
18:55>> Yeah.
18:56>> I was like, "No."
18:57>> Yeah. Another kid that he wanted to get
18:59out of the same case.
19:02>> Did it ever come up that he had
19:04mistreated another girl here recently?
19:06>> Um to be honest with you, yes, he did.
19:08And he said that he was and he did it.
19:10>> Who's the How do you know what do you
19:11know the girl about? What? I don't know
19:14a lot of names for this girl, but I
19:15don't know
19:16>> which
19:18I don't know. Which girl are you talking
19:19about? Like
19:20>> she's grown.
19:21>> Yeah, she's grown.
19:21>> She was there at the house or that day?
19:25>> Mhm. Yeah.
19:26>> What's her name? What do you know about
19:28a lot of different names?
19:29>> They go by A.
19:30>> A.
19:31>> Yeah.
19:31>> I heard that he might have done
19:32something to A.
19:33>> Yeah. He
19:34>> Did that come up?
19:35>> Yeah, that came up. And that's what I'm
19:36trying to get to. That
19:37>> Yeah. Okay. Got him.
19:38>> Um, no. that he he had it tied up, but I
19:42don't know where.
19:44>> How'd you find that out?
19:45>> She ran inside the house that day.
19:48>> That day?
19:49>> Yes. That day? And she talked to my
19:51brother and my and I heard it and
19:53everything that day. I I
19:56>> What' she say about it?
19:57>> What' she say about what happened?
19:59>> She said that he tied her that she that
20:03whatever his name I can't remember. the
20:05guy that did tied her up somewhere at um
20:13what's it called?
20:16The
20:19right there by um 50th in uh
20:25in that hotel right here on 50th. It's
20:28um by Copper right by Copper right
20:30across
20:32>> this villa.
20:32>> Yeah, the villa.
20:33>> Is that it? That's what she told me.
20:37That's what she told me.
20:38>> What did he do when he taught her up?
20:39Did he say Did she say
20:41>> Oh, she told me that he he was beating
20:43her and that he touched her down here in
20:46our private area.
20:48>> And so there he is now in the house with
20:50y'all and her.
20:51>> Mhm.
20:51>> How'd he end up there with her?
20:53>> Was he there first or was she there
20:54first?
20:55>> No, she that's when I already done shot
20:58him.
20:58>> That's when you shot him.
21:00>> Yeah. before she came in there and I was
21:02like, "My daughter,
21:03>> this was after you and had shot this all
21:05happened."
21:05>> Yeah.
21:05>> Oh, okay.
21:06>> Yeah. And then she comes in there cuz I
21:08I seen her a couple times. She was cool.
21:10And then I was like, "Where did she go?
21:11I haven't seen her." And she came in
21:13there crying
21:14>> after you shot him.
21:16>> Yeah.
21:16>> Okay. Well, and what was she saying? Was
21:18she crying?
21:18>> She was like, "He
21:20tied me up." He had
21:21>> So, they were both there together
21:24>> before all this happened.
21:25>> A and this guy.
21:27>> Who? A and A and the guy that you shot
21:29were there
21:31>> Yeah.
21:31>> prior to all this.
21:32>> Wait, wait, what are you trying to say?
21:34Like A
21:34>> since she came running in there saying
21:36her up after you had shot him.
21:38>> This was after the Okay.
21:39>> Yeah.
21:40>> I shot him and then
21:43I he said she told me that he touched
21:48her down there
21:52and
21:55I felt bad, you know, like What do you
21:58expect? I mean, it's not right, man.
22:01>> It's not and it's not right for me
22:04now. Like,
22:07I did all that. Um,
22:11I'm cool. Like, I just felt
22:13>> I want I want to make sure though that
22:15that like I said, I want to make sure
22:16everything's on up and we're all being
22:18honest with each other. Okay.
22:20>> Because I've got the deal is that um the
22:24gun. Tell me about the gun that you took
22:26from him. What What kind of gun? What
22:28did it?
22:28>> It was a 9 millimeter.
22:29>> Okay. Like
22:32>> like silver like dark black. Okay.
22:35>> Black
22:35>> like uh
22:37um I guess did it have like a How did
22:39you How do you load it?
22:40>> Um well, he
22:43>> he broke his clip there.
22:45>> Okay.
22:45>> And he fixed it back. And I guess the
22:47only way I had to do it was just do it
22:49with one hand.
22:51>> What with you had a bullet? I put a
22:53bullet in the chamber and then
22:55>> hit the side.
22:56>> Yeah.
22:57>> Okay.
22:57>> It was a one shooter for now.
22:59>> How did he have it? Where was it
23:00whenever you saw him?
23:01>> It was by his home.
23:03>> How'd you get it?
23:04>> How'd I get it?
23:06>> Like I said, I went up there whenever he
23:09wasn't paying attention.
23:12I hit him one time and I grabbed it real
23:14quick. Shot.
23:17>> I did.
23:19And
23:20>> so he had it in his
23:21>> He had it. He had in his possession like
23:23right here by the couch where he was at.
23:25>> Was he standing or sitting?
23:26>> He was sitting.
23:27>> Okay. So, if he you're sitting like he
23:30was on the couch.
23:30>> I was like this on the couch.
23:32>> And which hand is the gun in?
23:33>> Right here.
23:34>> His right hand.
23:34>> Yes, sir.
23:35>> Okay. And then where would you be in
23:37relation to him? Like where I'm at or
23:38off to the side or
23:39>> off to the side?
23:42>> Towards the bathroom.
23:44>> Would that be to
23:45>> to your left? Yes, sir.
23:47>> Okay. Okay. And so when he was
23:48>> he was facing the door
23:50>> and then so when he wasn't looking you
23:52were able you hit him and you took him.
23:53>> How did you how did you hit him?
23:55>> I hit him with my ball fist.
23:56>> Okay. Like in the face or in the face?
24:00>> Just in the face.
24:00>> And then you were able to get the gun
24:02from
24:02>> Yes. I grabbed it.
24:04>> Okay.
24:04>> I grabbed it real quick because my life
24:06was turning.
24:07>> Sure.
24:08>> And then all that happened.
24:10>> That made me go berserk like more. Like
24:12I was already
24:14I was scared.
24:15>> Yeah. I was though. I'm not gonna lie.
24:17Like um I'm hurt, but like I said,
24:21simple fact that
24:24he
24:26was happy about molesting these other
24:28girls. And
24:34>> he's asking you,
24:35>> he was asking me to help him kill his
24:36own mom. Like I wouldn't even think
24:38about killing my own mom. I love my own
24:40mom.
24:40>> Why do you want to kill her?
24:41>> I don't know. He for some reason he
24:43wanted his mom and his brother killed.
24:45He said he he stabbed his brother or
24:48something like that or almost stabbed
24:49him or something and
24:53I don't know who his brothers are. I
24:54don't know who his family is like. But
24:58I don't know who like he threatened me.
25:02Like I said
25:03>> what did he what did he do when he
25:05threatened you? Like what?
25:06>> Oh what did he do? What did he threat
25:06me? Like I said,
25:09had to go
25:13a bit.
25:37How long had you guys been there? Y'all
25:39have y'all all been there together for a
25:40long time? Were y'all partying or
25:43hanging out or what were y'all doing? I
25:44mean, everybody was in the house. Has
25:45y'all been there for a long time?
25:48>> I was there chilling.
25:49>> I mean, like hours and hours. I mean,
25:50y'all all been together for
25:52>> Mhm.
25:52>> Like all night and all morning just
25:54hanging out or what?
25:57>> Yeah.
25:57>> You'd been there a long time.
25:59>> Yeah.
25:59>> And he'd been there a long time. Well,
26:01yeah. He was there for a little while,
26:04but I didn't know like he was going to
26:06go on this bad trip. I don't know.
26:08>> Yeah. No, that's not what I'm saying.
26:09I'm just saying y'all were all there
26:10partying for a little bit. Yeah.
26:11>> Before all this happened before he
26:12freaked out or
26:13>> Yeah. Do people like him?
26:15>> I don't even know. But on the cool cuz
26:18he sounds like he's not somebody most
26:19people like.
26:21>> On the cool, I don't know. I just didn't
26:23like for what he did to me and for what
26:25he admitted, you know,
26:27>> doing in the past.
26:28>> Yeah. Molesting a girl. That's why I did
26:31what I did.
26:32>> Yeah.
26:32>> I ain't gonna say you're on, you know. I
26:34did it, you know.
26:36>> So, you said after you shot him, you
26:38stabbed you said the other guy with the
26:39afro stabbed him and hit him with the
26:41bat. Where did you go after that?
26:43>> I took off. I took off to be honest with
26:46you. I took off.
26:48>> Did you ever find out what happened to
26:50him?
26:51>> To him? No, they once I left that
26:55>> you leave with me and my brother. Yeah.
26:58>> Yeah. And
27:00once I left,
27:03I don't know what happened.
27:04>> Let me ask you this question.
27:05>> Yes, sir.
27:07>> I'd heard from somebody that that you
27:10said that there was a girl there, a
27:11young girl there, and that you felt bad
27:13because there was a young girl there,
27:15and she was screaming about it. Did that
27:17happen or is that just something that
27:18people were talking about?
27:20>> I don't even remember about my young
27:22girl.
27:22>> Nothing. like,
27:23>> you know, I'm real protective over like
27:26kids and stuff.
27:27>> Were there any kids there on the
27:28>> No, sir. No, sir.
27:30>> Okay.
27:30>> Like on
27:33>> I I'm I'm really hurt. I'm still hurt
27:36about that. But yeah, I'm felt bad for
27:38what I did to him. But on the cool, I
27:40just felt like it was either my life or
27:42his life cuz Okay, when someone with the
27:45gun pointed at you on you, oh [ __ ] and
27:47stuff, what do you think? And I was
27:50like, dude, are you threatening me?
27:53Yeah.
27:53>> And he was like, "Yeah, he's on me." So,
27:57and
27:58>> had you ever seen that gun before?
28:00>> No. Like, I I don't know. Like, he
28:02always goes by the villa, like I said.
28:04Were you uh How often do you go over to
28:06Neva's house?
28:08>> Once in a while.
28:09>> Do you know her dad?
28:11>> I don't know her dad.
28:12>> You ever met him?
28:13>> I just know some of her family.
28:15>> You ever met Have you ever met Hammy?
28:17>> I met
28:20Oh, her dad. I know her dad. Yeah. Yeah.
28:22But I don't know.
28:24>> Had you ever seen Jame with that gun?
28:26>> No.
28:26>> No.
28:27>> No sir.
28:28>> What about Neva? Have you ever seen Neva
28:29with it?
28:29>> No.
28:30>> It was just the guy that it came.
28:32>> So the first time you'd ever seen the
28:34gun was when
28:34>> Yeah, because it was the start of it and
28:37you can go look at it. Go look at the
28:40over there at the It has it on video.
28:42You're I'm over there.
28:46Um at the end. It's over there at the
28:49end by the um
28:53there's an inn over here. You know where
28:57Motel 8 is?
28:58>> Motto 6. Mo
29:00>> Oh, motto 6. Multi, but it's the end of
29:03every
29:04>> No, it's called the end.
29:06>> It's called the end.
29:07>> Yeah, it's right across this. Um
29:10it's going towards uh the carriage
29:11house.
29:13>> The end there on the left. if you're
29:15going towards.
29:16>> Um, you know, there's like a there's
29:17like a single level little motel thing.
29:20Used to be the circus in there's another
29:22one right before that.
29:23>> Yeah. Well, there's one right there in
29:26front of this business right here when
29:28you're going towards the highway. Um,
29:33how should I explain it? Um, I don't
29:36know. Small.
29:40>> What the hell? Anyway,
29:41>> well, anyways, that's where it started
29:43where he threatened me.
29:46>> When was that?
29:47>> That day, it all happened that same day
29:50he got killed.
29:52>> Were y'all were you in a car walking?
29:54>> No, I was walking.
29:54>> You were walking?
29:55>> I was.
29:56>> How did he threaten me?
29:57>> How did he threaten me? He threatened me
30:00by saying I should bow down to him.
30:02>> While you were walking?
30:03>> No, when I was at that by that hotel in
30:06the hotel eating breakfast.
30:07>> Oh, in the hotel?
30:08>> Yeah.
30:09>> Oh, okay. I got We we were at that
30:10hotel. You can go check the cameras. I
30:12already know
30:14it was me and my brother and him. He
30:16threatened me that day. That's when it
30:19all started. And what triggered it is
30:21whenever you sit there and threaten
30:23somebody.
30:29And
30:35that day I went in there and he he came
30:38up to me and started talking about
30:41he looked at me and said
30:44well you should respect me. I was like
30:47respect you. I said wait to get respect
30:50you got to earn respect. I was like, I
30:53who are you to come up and give like to
30:55me I want to give you manners no matter
30:57what. But for a grown man to sit there
31:00and tell me give me well he gave me his
31:03anger like he was anger about me like he
31:05was saying thinking that why do you
31:08think you're better than me? I'm not
31:09dude I'm not like he was like picking at
31:12me picking at me. And
31:17then he started talking about dragons
31:19and all that. I don't know. It was
31:20weird.
31:22like that. I don't know what he was
31:24smoking, but that day it was weird. Like
31:26we went to the house.
31:28>> You don't go to the house together?
31:30>> No. Me and my brother took off.
31:32>> Okay. That was just a coincidence. Y'all
31:34met back up at the house.
31:35>> Yeah. Cuz he got mad because he said my
31:38brother, we went this one and
31:41that he said that somebody owes him
31:46whenever he got whenever we got like I
31:48said whenever we got there, he got
31:49there. He said, "Why'd you leave?" I
31:51said because you disrespected me
31:54cuz how it's going to how it started
31:56when first
31:59and
32:00I said well of course you said that why
32:04should I respect you like I should bow
32:08down to you. Why should I bow down to a
32:09man? Like I said he was acting like he
32:12was God or something.
32:17>> Is motel 6 right here. interstate right
32:20there. 66th Street. It' actually be
32:23facing all this way.
32:24>> Okay. Well,
32:25>> we can.
32:26>> Yeah.
32:29>> There is.
32:30>> There's America's Best in here
32:32somewhere.
32:32>> So, there's a Days in.
32:34>> Mhm. It's in
32:35>> and America's Best In.
32:36>> Which one were y'all at?
32:38>> I was at the end. Uh the one right here
32:41by this company right here.
32:42>> Okay. So, that day's ins.
32:45>> Yeah. Why were y'all over there? Did
32:47y'all stay there?
32:48>> No, no, no. I just wanted to go up there
32:49just to eat good breakfast.
32:51>> Did Gabriel just happen to be there? His
32:53name's Gabriel. Yeah.
32:55>> The guy Gabriel.
32:56>> Yeah, that's his name.
32:57>> He followed us to go over there
32:59>> from where? Where? Where did y'all
33:00start?
33:01>> From her house.
33:02>> From Navas NASA.
33:03>> So you went to his antique breakfast and
33:05he followed you over there and that's
33:06kind of where all this started.
33:07>> Yeah, I did.
33:08>> Did you guys walk or drive?
33:10>> I walked.
33:12>> And then so when that started there, did
33:15you guys go back to meet us?
33:17>> Mhm. We went back to meet and then he
33:19followed us and asked me why did why did
33:21I leave him there and I told him I said
33:24well the reason why I left you there is
33:27cuz you wanted me to bow down to you and
33:31he wanted me to give you respect. I said
33:33dude I always gave you fully respect
33:34since I met you since the first time.
33:37Like I said I barely know him. Um,
33:41and then he said something about I owe
33:45707 something dollars for the eggs and
33:48all that. And then I was like, "No."
33:51That's what I had either call up there
33:54and find out. And
33:59it was a there was a guy that answered
34:01and it was all a lie that and I told him
34:04I said, "See, why are you trying to
34:05lie?" Like he's been picking on me all
34:07day. Like I said, I was going through a
34:09bad depression. Just remember, I was
34:11going through a bad depression already
34:13about my baby mama's grandpa dying. And
34:17then what he was saying
34:20was that, "Oh, it's okay. People die
34:23anyways." And you know, I was trying to
34:25get people to calm me down. You know,
34:26that's why I kept leaving. I was like, I
34:28don't want to be here with negativity
34:30and stuff. I want to be here with
34:32positive.
34:34Okay.
34:36When
34:38I I I felt I was in love with her
34:40grandpa. Like her grandpa like I didn't
34:43even know. My mom didn't Becky or didn't
34:46tell me. I heard this from my cousin. My
34:49cousin told me
34:52and I was hurt,
34:54which he knew about the guy that died,
34:58but she was agging it on a naggoning it.
35:03And
35:05like I said, I went there,
35:09I was already hurt about all this. Yeah,
35:13was.
35:15And
35:18I'm cool. Like
35:24I just
35:26I know I'm wrong for this, but I I just
35:29felt like it was right because it was my
35:32life over his
35:36really was
35:38like,
35:38>> do you think Okay, let's ask you this
35:41question just honestly because I could
35:43honestly understand it. Yeah.
35:46>> Do you think he had a gun?
35:48>> No, I didn't. I really didn't. I didn't
35:50think he had a gun. I didn't know he
35:53would pull that. Like, honestly, I
35:55didn't think he
35:55>> I mean, when you shot him, you think you
35:57had it coming? I mean,
35:58>> no, I didn't.
35:59>> It was I blacked out. I blacked out
36:02because when you threaten me with my
36:04life and then over a little kid, too,
36:06and saying that you want to go the same
36:08one and then talk about how you want to
36:11kill your mom. No, dude. I wouldn't even
36:13think about killing my mom, you know? I
36:16I felt And then I haven't been on my
36:18medication. I really have it. That's why
36:21I grab my medicine right there. Like I
36:25>> the gun the gun that that you talked
36:28about.
36:28>> A lot of people talked about it. They've
36:30described it
36:32>> and I know that that it's been around.
36:35>> I know for example they shot it on New
36:39Year's Eve. Mhm.
36:41>> You said that well you have it. You let
36:43him shoot.
36:44>> I
36:44>> I don't think I
36:46>> You know what?
36:47>> So So I just want to I want to make sure
36:48because we're being honest about all
36:50everything.
36:50>> Hey, man. I don't even know.
36:52>> It was that
36:54he he described that gun perfectly and
36:57said that was that's your gun.
36:58>> No, that was his gun. The dude that
37:01died.
37:03>> That's who let us shoot all his guns.
37:05For real. Why uh why didn't you call the
37:09police after?
37:11>> I don't know. I panic and left. I
37:13thought Neil would have and that's when
37:15I seen I thought I'm like I did go up
37:19there and seeing that all this stuff was
37:22happening. I did go over there because
37:23the lady told me that's when that day
37:25that needle got caught. I didn't know
37:28>> I did go up there where
37:30>> to all the police and stuff. I didn't go
37:32up there and ask who got shot here
37:34because on school this lady told me this
37:36and we got shot six times. This black
37:38lady across the street from near the
37:39house. So I thought it was my brother.
37:42>> How many times? How many times did you
37:44shoot it?
37:45>> Once.
37:46>> Once.
37:47>> So that lady doesn't know she's talking.
37:49>> She said six times. Probably she heard
37:51it.
37:52>> No. Like on the cool like I thought it
37:55was my brother. Like I cuz I was
37:57supposed to go meet up with my brother
37:58to go make sure everything was all right
38:01because Nema text me that day saying she
38:03needed gas or stuff.
38:06>> This is after or before you shot it.
38:11>> This is when I shot her.
38:23>> She text me the other day. I already
38:25knew
38:28she texted you. What day?
38:30>> That day, um, she got locked up.
38:33>> The day she got locked up, she texted
38:35you.
38:35>> What' she say?
38:37>> Said, "Hey, I need some gas." Okay.
38:40Okay.
38:42So, I went to go and then I seen all
38:44those cops and then I asked them who got
38:46shot there.
38:47>> Oh, so this was after you had shot him.
38:49>> Yeah. I
38:51>> did you ever
38:52>> some officer? Some
38:54>> Did you ever go back that day that you
38:56shot him to see what had happened to
38:58him? Did you ever ask or go back or
39:00anything to see what was going on?
39:01>> I don't I don't remember nothing. Like I
39:05said, I never went back to do none of
39:07that.
39:08>> Why' that dude with the Why the guy with
39:09the half row get involved?
39:11>> Why? Yeah,
39:14>> because he was the one
39:20that help
39:22>> what?
39:24>> He was the one that helped them.
39:29>> He was the one that hit him with the
39:31bat. I don't know.
39:32>> Why did he get involved like that?
39:35>> I don't know.
39:37really don't know that was that was um
39:41neon that's not I don't know I don't
39:44>> and I know that I know that neither also
39:46did
39:49>> I don't like I said I just did my little
39:51thing and left
39:53>> there was certain people whenever
39:55>> you said right after the fact a came in
39:58there and started saying that he had
40:00done this stuff to her what happened as
40:01a result of that that get everybody
40:03stirred up and get everybody mad
40:05>> what happened then because I'm sure I
40:07got her everybody mad.
40:08>> I did.
40:09>> So, what happened then?
40:10>> Okay, I'm not going to sit here and lie
40:12and it's making me more of a liar.
40:15>> It makes me feel like a liar. Let me
40:17just tell you the weird thing.
40:19>> Okay. What? Cuz whenever he threatened
40:23me with that gun,
40:26she ran in there and said, "Hey, he tied
40:29me or whatever."
40:31Okay. Got mad
40:34and got his gun and shot. That's all I
40:35got.
40:36Okay. I'm trying to get back into
40:38remembering how it all happened
40:41>> and
40:42I still have a error
40:45and
40:47my mentality like I know
40:51I feel bad like I really do but the
40:54simple fact that you don't be doing that
40:56to girls every time you know you don't
40:59you don't sit there and just want I
41:00don't just sit there and pick out any
41:02female I want just to be a to me that's
41:04like a predator and and whe they're
41:06tying her up and stuff
41:09and okay just put it as this imagine if
41:11that was your sister you know I
41:13understand call the laws whatever but
41:16simple fact that my life was threatening
41:17too
41:19and
41:23my brother told me he's like well
41:28you there my brother was the one told me
41:30not to shoot not to shoot yeah my
41:32brother did okay told me not to But I
41:35told him why if he was the one to
41:37threaten me.
41:38>> Yeah.
41:40>> So I just waited till my brother went
41:42outside and I shot him and then from
41:44there
41:46>> stabbed him.
41:49>> Is it true that the other guy also
41:50stabbed him?
41:51>> That black dude?
41:53>> Yeah. With the bat.
41:55>> Stabbed him with the bat.
41:56>> No, you don't stab.
41:58>> That's what I asked you. Stabbed him and
41:59you said, "Yeah, with the bat." That's
42:00what I was asking.
42:01>> Yeah, with the bat.
42:03>> He hit him. One was the head was the
42:05bat.
42:06>> What happened after he got hit in the
42:07head?
42:08>> Um, see after that after all that
42:11happened, me and my brother took off.
42:13>> Was he dead when you left?
42:15>> I don't remember to be honest with you
42:17that and on the news they said that he's
42:18not. So on the cool I just did what I
42:22did and left. They Eva and whoever was
42:27there. Did you see if he was alive or
42:29dead when you left?
42:30>> To be honest with you, whenever I left
42:32he was. He wasn't breathing. He was He
42:34was knocked out.
42:36>> Yeah.
42:36>> And so I left.
42:38>> You You said he wasn't allowed when he
42:40left.
42:40>> No, he wasn't. I don't know. Like
42:42>> Oh, you don't know or he wasn't?
42:44>> Like he wasn't whenever he wasn't
42:46breathing whenever all that happened.
42:48Like So I
42:49>> Let me ask you this. Just a
42:50guesstimation. I realize you said you'd
42:52like after you shot him. How long were
42:54you there after you shot him? 5 minutes,
42:56an hour, two hours?
42:58I'd say
43:01took all that I say a couple hours.
43:05>> Couple hours.
43:06>> Yeah. I was to me I I was mad and
43:09furious because what he had told me.
43:11>> Did he ever move after after he got hit
43:13and after he got shot and stabbed? And
43:15did he ever move in that two hours? Did
43:16he make any noise in that two hours? I
43:18mean,
43:21>> he did.
43:22>> He did.
43:23>> He did.
43:23>> What? He He did what?
43:26He said, "I'm sorry for He told me that
43:29he was sorry for what he told me." And I
43:31said, "Why are you sorry, Gabe?" I said,
43:34"I'm going to be more in trouble than
43:36you."
43:38I told him because he talked to me and
43:40he said, "Look, I'm sorry.
43:43I'm sorry, too."
43:47And to be honest with you,
43:52yes, he was alive whenever I left.
43:56After that, I don't know.
43:59Like I said, my life was threat. And I'm
44:03still sticking by what I'm saying. Like
44:05he molested somebody in there.
44:08>> Yeah. Yeah.
44:09>> I We're not discounting your story.
44:12We're just We're trying to figure out
44:13>> No, I know. Figuring out time and
44:14everything. I know. like and and the the
44:17guy other guy that observed the wild
44:19hair, he's the only one that you saw
44:20hitting. You didn't see a hit. You
44:23didn't see Nea hit him. You didn't see
44:25anybody else there hitting.
44:27>> Cuz if anyone was going to hit him, I
44:28could see a hit.
44:30>> She tied him up. I mean, he tied her up.
44:34>> Did everyone hit him?
44:36>> No. A did not hit him.
44:38>> Who did?
44:40I just told you who did. It was me. that
44:43black beanie or whatever his name was
44:48and that was it.
44:49>> So you hit him with the bat, too?
44:51>> No, I didn't.
44:52>> Oh, okay. No, we were talking about hit
44:53him with the bat. You said you
44:55>> I was saying it was over there that
44:57>> So, the black guy's the only one you saw
44:59him hit him with a bat.
45:00>> Mhm.
45:01>> Hit him with the bat.
45:08>> And then what did you you and your
45:09brother left? Walking. Drive a car. No,
45:12we left walking.
45:13>> Where'd y'all go there too? When y'all
45:14left?
45:17>> Me? I took off walking down the street.
45:20>> Your brother didn't go with you?
45:21>> Yeah.
45:22>> Oh, good. So, you and your brother
45:23walking?
45:23>> H.
45:24>> Where did y'all go?
45:26>> I went up to the street. I was hiding at
45:29this abandoned house. I was like I had
45:32nowhere to go cuz my mom.
45:35>> Let me Let me ask you this.
45:38It's it's always a concern to me and I
45:40know it's a concern to you because you
45:41sit here and talked about
45:45that gun. If we threw that gun
45:47somewhere, I don't want a kid to find
45:49that gun.
45:51>> Is there any way that we can try to
45:52remember where that gun's at? I don't
45:54want some kid to find that gun and shoot
45:56themselves.
45:56>> I understand.
45:58>> Is there any way that we can try to
45:59recall or remember about where that gun
46:01was at?
46:02>> I don't remember. I don't
46:05>> you know if you throw in a dumpster in
46:07the field or the howling or the yard or
46:12I just remember running and throwing it
46:14in the field.
46:15>> Where did you run? Close by there.
46:17>> Yeah, it was close by.
46:18>> Which way did you run
46:20>> towards um 97?
46:23>> Towards
46:24>> 97.
46:25>> 97. You mean you mean interstate?
46:27>> Yes, sir. I mean no 97. The the club.
46:30Oh, club night stuff. You cut through to
46:33the parking lot?
46:34>> Yeah, I cut to the parking lot.
46:36>> We if we printed off a picture like a
46:38map of that, you think you could show us
46:40you think you can get us anywhere close
46:42to about where you threw the gun?
46:44>> Mhm.
46:46>> Okay,
46:47>> let me let me go print off a map. Like
46:49I'll try to get a big map of that area
46:51and you can go and eat.
46:56Cool.
47:02>> What's up?
47:02>> I'm cool. Like
47:10I'm not feel straight, dude. Like, and I
47:12know already that I'm going to jail,
47:15too. I know, you know.
47:18>> Well, I mean,
47:19>> but at the same time, my life was
47:21threatened at the same time.
47:24And I think it's important to get your
47:26side of the story because otherwise you
47:28don't know those things. See what I
47:29mean?
47:29>> Yeah.
47:31>> Well, I mean, what is this?
47:39>> Um,
47:41did anyone call you after Nita got
47:44arrested? Did anybody tell you what was
47:46going on or No, I just seen it on the
47:48news. Did you go by your Did you go by
47:51someone's house yesterday saying that
47:52you wanted to turn yourself in or
47:54something?
47:54>> I went by my mom's but she scared me
47:56like she was scared of me or something
47:58and I was like what's going on? So I ran
48:01>> cuz it scared me cuz my mom's never does
48:03that. Well I call her my mom.
48:07>> You want a paper towel or something to
48:08eat on?
48:09>> I don't know.
48:13So,
48:16I'm cool.
48:20>> I do feel bad.
48:22>> I do have a heart. You know what I mean?
48:24>> I believe that. But, you know, I'm going
48:26to be honest with you right now. If you
48:27didn't, you wouldn't believe. I'm going
48:29to tell you that right now.
48:30>> Yeah. That's why I was tired of running
48:32because I was like, might as well just
48:33go ahead and face it because
48:36>> Did you ever go back and help Neva clean
48:37up anything or she had some stuff going
48:40on? I know.
48:41>> I only did the carpet.
48:43>> We did the carpet.
48:44>> That was it.
48:45>> We kind of owe that to a girl, are it?
48:48>> When honest. It's not funny though at
48:50the same time.
48:50>> Well, no, it's not. But
48:51>> it did. Uh, so what happened with the
48:54carpet? Like what?
48:55>> I did it threw it in the trash can.
48:57>> They're in the trash.
48:58>> Yeah, it is.
49:00>> Where did y'all put it in?
49:02>> Right there by her house. It was like on
49:04the left. Pretty sure y'all seen it.
49:06>> The dumpster. Yeah,
49:07>> there was some carpet in the dumpster
49:08and I didn't we kind of assumed that
49:11that was the case, but I just hadn't had
49:13talked to anyone about that for sure.
49:15>> Oh.
49:16>> When what day did you do that?
49:19>> Same day.
49:20>> The same day. Was he there when we went
49:23back to do the carpet or was he gone?
49:27Me? I already No, I already got that out
49:30way before. Way before what?
49:34I got that out that day they took him.
49:38>> Um,
49:40>> cool.
49:40>> You got that out before they took him?
49:42>> Mhm.
49:42>> Where was he when they retook the carpet
49:44out?
49:45>> He was gone.
49:46>> He was already gone.
49:47>> When you took the carpet out?
49:48>> Yeah,
49:49>> that's what I'm asking.
49:50>> Yeah, he was already gone. That's what
49:52I'm trying to say. Like,
49:52>> did they ever tell you what they did
49:53with him?
49:55>> No, I just remember that black dude
49:57saying he took him off with him.
49:59>> When did the black tell you that?
50:01>> Uh, that day. That night. That night
50:03>> we all were talking about it.
50:05>> Yeah. I was like, man, that's
50:08shouldn't have shouldn't have left him
50:10there. You know what I mean?
50:12>> And that dude told you he took off with
50:14him. What?
50:14>> I just took off. I said, "You know what?
50:16I'm getting out of here."
50:17>> Yeah. With the black dude told you that
50:19he took off with him.
50:20>> He took off with the old boy. That dude.
50:22>> Who?
50:23>> With that dude in that truck.
50:25>> What? The dude in the truck. You know
50:27the dude in the truck?
50:28>> I don't know. I've never met him. That
50:29was the first time.
50:31So, you met that dude in the truck
50:33>> that one time?
50:34>> That day?
50:35>> Yeah.
50:35>> How did that go down?
50:38>> How' y'all meet?
50:39>> Through through meeting them.
50:42>> That's I don't know. Like I said, I
50:43swear
50:44>> I don't know. So, did you just show up
50:45at the house or did y'all meet somewhere
50:46else or
50:47>> I don't know. I just came back cuz I
50:49went to my friend's house and stuff try
50:51to calm down.
50:52>> Mhm.
50:53>> And when I came back, that's when my
50:56body was gone.
51:00for that black dude or happy.
51:03>> Okay.
51:05>> I I'm talking about the guy with the
51:08truck and all that [ __ ]
51:10>> Okay.
51:10>> So, you came back and they were happy.
51:12>> No, not I I'm not saying that he was
51:15happy they got the truck. I'm just
51:17saying that they were both of them were
51:19happy that the guy was gone. Like they
51:22got him out of there.
51:26I'm cool. like
51:39>> what did they say they did with him?
51:41Like what happened?
51:42>> I don't Somebody was throwing at the
51:44carriage house and I said, "Jar,
51:46so I left." So it was him.
51:49>> How did they word it? They said, "We
51:50turn up the car with the carriage
51:51house."
51:52>> Yeah, we're at the carriage house. And I
51:54was like, "Where?" I was like, "That's
51:56very not something, dude."
51:58>> So, I said they threw in there.
52:00>> Yeah.
52:00>> Okay.
52:02>> Let's look at this real quick.
52:05Let me see.
52:19This is This is That's Neighbor's house.
52:22And here's
52:23here's the villa.
52:32It
52:32>> should be right there by 97 behind
52:34>> Oh, so it's all the way at the villa.
52:37>> Yeah, behind the bushes and stuff. It
52:39should
52:40>> Here's Let me So you may blow this up a
52:42little bit. Will that make it easier?
52:44>> Um, where's wherever the villa's at?
52:46Okay. Wherever copper is at. It's by
52:48there.
52:49>> So like right here
52:50>> somewhere.
52:50>> Copper's right here.
52:51>> Yeah. It's behind those little There's
52:54little bushes back there that you see
52:55whenever you come in through the back
52:56>> behind copper.
52:57>> It's by the
53:00>> Yeah, behind copper where those bushes
53:01are.
53:02>> You know, about where you were when you
53:03threw it.
53:04>> I was
53:05>> so we could pin it down. Yeah. I mean,
53:06you know,
53:07>> I was like right there by this. There
53:09was trees like right there. Trees.
53:11>> I think I think right here behind
53:12copper. I think this alley right here. I
53:15think all this is like trees and bushes.
53:17Yeah,
53:17>> if I remember right. So, it's in that
53:19little triangle right there.
53:20>> Yeah. right through it.
53:21>> Can you give us an idea of which part of
53:23that triangle
53:25>> area?
53:25>> But it was noticeable. Like you can see
53:27it's like not even like far like you can
53:30see it if it's still there. I don't
53:32know. I never went back. Like I don't
53:34even know.
53:34>> Did you throw it up in the road up area?
53:36>> I just threw it. I just threw it like
53:38close by those bushes. But I don't know
53:41who
53:43I don't know if it's still there.
53:45>> I know. I mean there's no way of knowing
53:46if it's still there. We're just trying
53:47to find out where you threw it so we can
53:48see if it's still there.
53:49>> Yeah. Make sure no kid gets there.
53:51>> Yes, that's kid shoot themselves.
53:54>> An older kid might do it there
53:56>> cuz here's the This is This is the
53:58copper. This is the alley. There's like
54:00a triangle here. I know where
54:01>> somewhere in that bush like somewhere in
54:02that middle where I threw it
54:03>> somewhere in here.
54:04>> Mhm.
54:05>> And you could see it after you threw it.
54:06>> Yeah.
54:06>> So, it was daylight when you threw it.
54:09>> No, it was like towards night time.
54:12>> That's when I ran. I took off from him
54:14that night with that dude's gun. the
54:18night when I was telling you that they
54:19came by
54:21and
54:23told me they took off with you.
54:25>> So you were standing. Is there there's a
54:26fence around that, isn't there?
54:28>> Mhm.
54:28>> Were you outside the fence where you
54:30threw it?
54:31>> I was just like
54:31>> Or did you go inside the fence?
54:33>> No, I didn't go inside. I was
54:34>> So there's just like a chain link fence
54:36or a picket fence or what? Or something?
54:38I don't know.
54:38>> You can walk You can actually walk
54:40through it here. It's like a thing
54:41>> cuz the last time I was there, there's
54:42like some homeless people that live in
54:43here and stuff.
54:44>> Yeah.
54:45>> Like they have some sheds and stuff
54:46built in. Yeah, you can walk through
54:48there. You can actually walk through in
54:50the back.
54:51>> But you're sure it's not over here in
54:52the baseball fields or
54:53>> No, parking lot. It's It's in here.
54:55>> Yeah, it's in there cuz you can walk
54:57back out and there's baseball field and
54:59then you turn back this way. It takes
55:01you back to NEAS.
55:02>> But only cool. You threw it in there.
55:04>> Yeah.
55:04>> You know what I'm just saying? I don't I
55:05don't want to waste a lot of people's
55:06time. Only cool. That's where you threw
55:07it.
55:08>> That's why I threw it.
55:09>> Okay.
55:10>> That's why I threw it.
55:11>> Okay.
55:13So, when you got back that night from
55:15your friend's house and you said the
55:16white guy was there and all that,
55:18whenever I take out the carpet,
55:20>> who all who all helped take out the
55:22carpet?
55:23>> Hm.
55:23>> Who all helped you take out the carpet?
55:26>> Me by yourself?
55:27>> You just took it out by yourself?
55:29>> How long did it take you?
55:31>> Not that long.
55:31>> Not that long.
55:34>> Okay.
55:36>> Was it?
55:36>> What about the rest of the stuff? I
55:38mean,
55:38>> the rest of the stuff, I don't know. Did
55:40you help take the couches out or
55:41anything like that?
55:44>> The couches?
55:46>> Yeah.
55:48>> Did you do that because you were worried
55:49about getting in trouble for what
55:50happened or?
55:52>> To be honest with you, I was worried. I
55:54was I ain't going to lie.
55:56>> But at the same time, I already knew I
55:58was going to go down for this, too. But
56:01like I said,
56:05you just kind of panic and just kind of
56:07>> I panicked and I to be honest with you,
56:10I did leave and then came back and did
56:12what I had to do and then
56:15he was still laying there and then I
56:17took off again and then I came back and
56:19he was gone. When he came back the
56:21second time he was still laying on
56:22there, was he alive?
56:23>> No, he he looked dead to me when I came
56:25back.
56:26>> Moving on or anything?
56:27>> Mm-m. He wasn't. He was where was he in
56:30the house? Right there on the living
56:32room.
56:34>> Yeah. Living room.
56:36And when I left,
56:40I took off up the street just to go calm
56:43down cuz I was getting real sick. I was
56:46getting real sick. I'm just looking at
56:47it cuz I got, you know, dizzy and
56:49nauseated because, you know, I felt real
56:51bad. I did. I feel bad for doing that,
56:54you know.
56:58But like I said, whenever I came back
57:00that third time, he was gone.
57:04But
57:06that dude and that black dude.
57:09>> So they weren't at the house when he got
57:10there the third time.
57:12>> That's whenever they were there. That's
57:14what I'm saying. Like
57:15>> they already come back.
57:16>> Yeah. They told me that they are the
57:17ones that did it. They were the ones
57:20that threw the body
57:21>> and stuff. Okay.
57:23>> Them two were the ones that threw the
57:24body. Me, like I said, I only shot and
57:27stabbed them. I only did that. Um,
57:32boy only did the the black dude. I don't
57:35remember. I'm not good with names, like
57:37I said.
57:37>> Yeah. Is it a nickname or anything?
57:39>> No, I just know.
57:42>> He's just a dude with the puffy hair.
57:44>> That's the same guy you saw on the news
57:45yesterday.
57:46>> Yeah, same guy with puffy hair. I just
57:47don't know him by the name. I'm not good
57:49with names. I'm not um I'm really not
57:53like I just know. Oh boy. One that just
57:55died. He just went by
57:58um what do you call it? by
58:09you just went by this
58:16basically.
58:21What I'm trying to say is like
58:24my life was threatened that day
58:28and I hope everybody understands and I
58:30hope the judge understands too that when
58:32my life was threatened that day and then
58:35about that child I flipped and then I
58:37was supposed to be on my meds too. I
58:39haven't been taking my meds.
58:41>> Yeah.
58:42>> And
58:45I don't know what else do y'all want.
58:46>> What What happened after you shot him?
58:48What happened? What? Where did Where did
58:50he go? What happened?
58:51>> Where did he go?
58:52>> Yeah. Like what happened? We shot him.
59:05>> Yeah.
59:09>> I just got mad and started stabbing him
59:11and he fell.
59:12>> But you shot him. Did he fall? Did he
59:14run?
59:14>> No, he was sitting down.
59:15>> So he shot him and he was still just
59:17sitting up. No. Um, he went up whenever
59:20that was.
59:21>> He what?
59:22>> He went up whenever I shot him.
59:23>> He stood up?
59:24>> Yeah. After I shot him cuz he was like
59:26that.
59:26>> He stood up
59:27>> and started looking at me. So, cuz I
59:29freaked out.
59:30>> That's what I mean. What happened?
59:31>> After that, I don't remember. I just
59:33remember grabbing the knife and started
59:34stabbing him.
59:34>> So, he was standing up when he started
59:36stabbing.
59:37>> I brought him down. That's what I'm
59:39saying. That's
59:40>> starting to fall down.
59:41>> I tackled him, Tok. Oh, okay.
59:43>> I tackled him down. Yeah.
59:44>> So, you shot him. He stood up. You
59:46tackled him and then grabbed a knife.
59:48>> Yeah, because I blacked out and because
59:50>> that's what I was gonna ask you. Why do
59:51you think you stabbed me? Why do you
59:53>> why?
59:55>> I don't know. Because
59:56>> I think I mean I think you you told us
59:57why you shot him cuz life was turning.
59:59Why do you think you stabbed him?
1:00:00>> I don't remember why cuz I just blacked
1:00:02out after that when I stabbed him.
1:00:05>> Like when stuff like that.
1:00:10>> What were you saying to him when you
1:00:11stabbed me when you shot him?
1:00:14>> I don't mean nothing. You just remember
1:00:16just shooting them and then stabbing
1:00:19them. And
1:00:22>> he stabbed me. Did everybody come in? I
1:00:24mean, when he shot, did everybody come
1:00:25in there? Did they hear a gunshot and
1:00:26come running in there or
1:00:27>> Yeah.
1:00:28>> Yeah. Yeah, they did. You know
1:00:30>> what happened when they came in?
1:00:33>> They said, "What did you do?" I said, "I
1:00:34shot him cuz he threatened me."
1:00:36>> He did. He threatened me.
1:00:39>> What happened right when they came in? I
1:00:40mean, what did they say? What did they
1:00:41do?
1:00:41>> They're like, "Why did you do that?" I
1:00:43was like because
1:00:46when he threatened me.
1:00:49Why? Why were all of them not already in
1:00:50the living room? What happened?
1:00:52>> Because everybody was gone. Everybody
1:00:54left. It was you and
1:00:58>> Where did they come out of? He said when
1:00:59he shot them to come out. Where did they
1:01:01come out of?
1:01:01>> They came out the room.
1:01:03>> The bedroom.
1:01:04>> Yeah. Even
1:01:06>> we all was in the bedroom.
1:01:08>> Even a
1:01:09>> div.
1:01:10>> Yeah. Cuz she You remember what I said?
1:01:12I was like, "All right, I'm going to be
1:01:13real with him and tell you the story how
1:01:15he got shot."
1:01:17>> Well, she was there because
1:01:22she was there that night
1:01:25that my brother was outside
1:01:27>> and the black guy was
1:01:29>> He was outside too.
1:01:30>> He was outside with your brother.
1:01:31>> Yeah.
1:01:36you know, buzz and um and they asked me
1:01:39why I did it after they told me my
1:01:41brother told me don't do it. I said,
1:01:43"Bro,
1:01:44>> when did your brother tell him to tell
1:01:45you that I was?"
1:01:47>> He told me whenever I was outside cuz I
1:01:50was like, "Man,
1:01:52you already have the gun at that point?"
1:01:53>> No, I didn't have the gun at that.
1:01:55>> This was before all that happened.
1:01:56>> Yeah.
1:01:56>> You were outside with your brother and
1:01:58you told him what?
1:01:59>> I just told him I was I'm going to have
1:02:01to do it, dude. You told him you're
1:02:03going to have to shoot him.
1:02:04>> Yeah. might have had to with his own
1:02:06gun.
1:02:08>> So you went in and then
1:02:10>> and then
1:02:12shot
1:02:13>> and then my brother they and him ran in
1:02:17but that black dude just got caught.
1:02:22Um
1:02:26that gun
1:02:31it wasn't mine. It was his.
1:02:34But I was holding it for him.
1:02:36>> You were holding it for him?
1:02:37>> Yes. But it was in his his hands that
1:02:41day.
1:02:44>> I was holding it for
1:02:46it was on the wall.
1:02:49Yeah.
1:02:52I let people shoot it, but it wasn't
1:02:55mine. Did you let me shoot it on New
1:02:57Year's
1:02:58>> on New I wasn't even out on New Year's.
1:03:00I was locked up.
1:03:01>> Yeah.
1:03:03Did you ever let Hammond shoot it
1:03:04before?
1:03:05>> Herman?
1:03:05>> Yeah.
1:03:07>> Uh, I don't remember cuz I'm cool. I
1:03:09thought everybody shot it.
1:03:11>> Oh, so a lot of people shot it. So maybe
1:03:12you did, maybe not. You don't?
1:03:15>> No, because I'm cool. I just remember
1:03:19cuz Tom was growing up being happy
1:03:21saying you got a gun.
1:03:22>> Yeah.
1:03:23>> And he let me and
1:03:27>> So when you said you were holding it,
1:03:28what do you mean?
1:03:29>> You said you were holding it, but then
1:03:30you said he had it. What is that? What
1:03:32do you mean by that?
1:03:32>> Like whenever he had it at the time,
1:03:34whenever all whenever he was calling me
1:03:36out, calling me a [ __ ]
1:03:38>> Okay.
1:03:38>> When the cool did and then I grabbed it.
1:03:42Like I said, I ran up there and hit him.
1:03:45>> And you had talked about your brother.
1:03:47Is that minutes or hours before outside
1:03:49you told your brother you were going to
1:03:50have to shoot him? How long before you
1:03:52shot him? Was that like minutes?
1:03:55Like as I told him, we just went inside
1:03:57because they I don't know what they want
1:03:59to go do. Him and that dude.
1:04:02>> Who?
1:04:03>> Uh the dude that's on there for that
1:04:05child thing with sex.
1:04:07>> Yeah. Him and who?
1:04:08>> Him and my brother.
1:04:10>> Him and your brother went to do
1:04:11something outside.
1:04:11>> Yeah. They went to go talk outside.
1:04:13>> And then you went outside and told your
1:04:14brother you going to shoot him.
1:04:17>> I told him that.
1:04:20I was like, "Look, I was shooting the
1:04:22the guy on the street or whatever and
1:04:24that's whenever I shot him."
1:04:26>> I did. I shot him.
1:04:28>> But you told your brother beforehand
1:04:29that you were going to have to shoot
1:04:30him.
1:04:30>> My brother told me not to.
1:04:32>> Said don't do it. Why' he say not to do
1:04:34it?
1:04:34>> Because he said, "Why risk somebody
1:04:36else's life or that?" And I was already
1:04:39>> Why did you feel like you had to shoot
1:04:40him?
1:04:40>> Why?
1:04:42My question is, if you're already
1:04:44outside, he's not a threat to you.
1:04:46>> Mine.
1:04:46>> Why don't you just leave?
1:04:49Oh.
1:04:50Well,
1:04:51>> this is no threat to you anymore.
1:04:53>> No, the thing is
1:04:57I wasn't outside. I was inside whenever
1:04:59my brother said that.
1:05:01>> You were what?
1:05:01>> Inside. I'm trying to make this.
1:05:04>> But my thing is I don't want I don't
1:05:05want you to try to make it into
1:05:06>> That's what I'm saying. I want to be
1:05:07real with y'all
1:05:08>> because what what everyone is telling us
1:05:10and what everyone that's talked to us
1:05:11has said is that he this guy's people
1:05:14don't like this guy. he's a pervert and
1:05:16that he took offense to what he did to a
1:05:18to a and
1:05:19>> to to this little girl that he attacked
1:05:22>> and that
1:05:24>> I mean everyone said I mean everyone's
1:05:26been straight up about pretty much what
1:05:27happened and none of that involves him
1:05:29threatening you.
1:05:30>> You know what I mean?
1:05:31>> It did threaten me.
1:05:32>> I'm saying what everyone else is telling
1:05:33us is that
1:05:34>> like he wanted to fight or something
1:05:35like that.
1:05:37>> But everyone says you're the one that
1:05:39had the gun.
1:05:40>> Yeah, I had his gun.
1:05:43>> You had his gun.
1:05:44>> Yeah.
1:05:45I had his gun this time.
1:05:47>> Okay.
1:05:48>> Okay. Let me just be real. It must be
1:05:50real.
1:05:52>> It was my gun. It was
1:05:56>> It wasn't his gun. Okay.
1:05:58>> It wasn't.
1:06:00I won't.
1:06:04Okay. It was my gun. I shot him with my
1:06:07gun because I felt that I was
1:06:08threatening because already he I know he
1:06:12from out in the streets. I'm just being
1:06:14real with you. Be 100 with you. I known
1:06:17him from the streets and I know what he
1:06:19packed too.
1:06:22I'm cool.
1:06:24At the first he had my gun at the time.
1:06:27>> Okay, look. I'm just doing her no more
1:06:30lives or whatever. I was trying
1:06:34by the time he had my gun. Okay.
1:06:36Whenever he told me that.
1:06:39Whenever he told me that he was going to
1:06:40do it. So I was like, "Okay, whatever."
1:06:43So I was like, "Well,
1:06:46I'm cool. Well, if you don't shoot me,
1:06:48then I'm not supposed to get my gun back
1:06:49and then you're going to threaten me."
1:06:53>> Mhm.
1:06:53>> I said, "No man should threaten another
1:06:55man."
1:06:58>> Yeah. I'll threaten. Really? I did. And
1:07:00I'm not going to lie. Then he started
1:07:02talking about some child molesting.
1:07:05He was happy. My brother there listened
1:07:08to all that.
1:07:09>> So your brother heard him say all that?
1:07:10>> Yeah.
1:07:11>> Child molester and stuff.
1:07:12>> Yeah. I did
1:07:16do I did stab that dude.
1:07:20>> Mhm.
1:07:22>> And all that. You
1:07:23>> stab him first?
1:07:24>> Yeah, I did.
1:07:25>> Okay. And then what?
1:07:27And then does pretty much
1:07:33what's his name? Um, that dude afro you.
1:07:37>> Mhm.
1:07:38>> He wanted the head in the back.
1:07:39>> He didn't want the back. When at what
1:07:40point did you shoot him?
1:07:42>> Um,
1:07:42>> before after you stabbed him?
1:07:44>> I shot him before.
1:07:45>> Okay. So, he had your gun at one point.
1:07:47You got it back. And then at the point
1:07:49you got it back, you were like, "It
1:07:50ain't right for you to threaten me
1:07:52>> with my own gun." And that's when you
1:07:54shot him.
1:07:54>> Yes, sir. That's that that makes more
1:07:57sense to me thing.
1:07:59>> Okay. And I was scared because I already
1:08:01know I want to do time. Like I said, I'm
1:08:02scared, dude. Like
1:08:05I was threatened by my own gun. I should
1:08:07have just told y'all the honest truth
1:08:08when I got here. Like I was threatened
1:08:10cuz another man with another gun and she
1:08:13would you feel threatened?
1:08:14>> Yeah.
1:08:14>> How did he get your gun?
1:08:16>> Um I was letting him use it. I was
1:08:17letting him hold it to see um how to fix
1:08:20the clip
1:08:21>> because I broke the clip. I'm cool. I
1:08:23did cuz I was charing them. So you
1:08:25broken it and you let him see it to see
1:08:26if he could fix it.
1:08:27>> Yeah. But there was already a bullet
1:08:29already in there and that's how I felt
1:08:31threatened because you he already
1:08:33pointed at me with a loaded pistol.
1:08:35>> Okay.
1:08:36>> But then when he handed it back to you
1:08:37and you got it back from him, that's
1:08:38when you decided that ain't right. What
1:08:40you just did. Is that right?
1:08:43>> Yeah. But at the same time, like I said,
1:08:44I snatched it up real quick because what
1:08:46he started doing, what he started doing
1:08:49and started saying about all this bull
1:08:51crap about him, about me bowing down to
1:08:55him, this happened way before. So did he
1:08:58cuz look, look, it started off like
1:08:59this. Look,
1:09:01me had my gun is whenever he threatened
1:09:04me. Okay, like this.
1:09:07>> Yes. No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm trying
1:09:10to make this right right way. This how
1:09:12it started. He threat me with my husband
1:09:15that day um the day we went to go eat
1:09:18breakfast. Okay. Well, you don't
1:09:22threaten somebody. And then
1:09:23>> how did he threaten you?
1:09:24>> He threatened me. He just said, "Man,
1:09:27quit being a [ __ ] Come on, let's do
1:09:29this. Why do you want me to help you
1:09:31shoot your own mom? Why do you want me
1:09:33to help you?"
1:09:34>> So, he's holding your gun pointed at you
1:09:36saying
1:09:36>> don't be a [ __ ]
1:09:37>> Yeah. You going to do it? Okay. Don't
1:09:40threaten me to do something. I don't
1:09:41want to do.
1:09:42>> So, I felt threatened, okay, to kill his
1:09:45own mom. And on the cool, I don't I
1:09:48never met his mom, but on the cool, I
1:09:52wouldn't even want my mom only dead. I
1:09:55wouldn't want her dead.
1:09:56>> Yeah.
1:09:58>> Cool.
1:10:00Let me just remember. I'm just trying to
1:10:02calm down.
1:10:04Okay.
1:10:06That same day we went, he started adding
1:10:10on about how you should bow, how I
1:10:12should bow down. My brother was a
1:10:14witness there. He seen it.
1:10:16>> At that point, you had your gun back,
1:10:18right?
1:10:19>> Yeah. But
1:10:19>> this was at the house or this was
1:10:20somewhere else.
1:10:21>> This was at the house, dude.
1:10:22>> But at the point he said this, you had
1:10:24your gun back.
1:10:25>> Yeah, I already had my gun back. Look,
1:10:27I'm already making more sense now. Like
1:10:30on the cool like I was all like
1:10:32whatever, dude. Whatever. You know what
1:10:34I mean?
1:10:36Okay. What started it was that whenever
1:10:39you went over there to the um inn
1:10:43telling me I should bow down.
1:10:45>> Okay.
1:10:48I found out with my uh baby mama.
1:10:53I found out
1:10:55that
1:10:58her grandpa died before Christmas or
1:11:00something like that.
1:11:03Okay. I was already hurt. He was already
1:11:05agonizing it. Agonizing. Oh, shoot. He
1:11:08did. All right. Whatever. You know, it's
1:11:11all right. He meant he was probably
1:11:12meant to die or whatever. And I was
1:11:14like, why? Why would you even say that?
1:11:16You don't even know my family like that.
1:11:18To be honest with you, you don't.
1:11:21How are you going to sit there and
1:11:22threaten me and say
1:11:25threaten me at first and then tell me
1:11:27it's okay for him to go?
1:11:30Maybe it was his time to go. Like, so he
1:11:32had threatened you earlier. And now he's
1:11:34telling you this.
1:11:34>> Yes. When I was
1:11:35>> This is all building now.
1:11:37>> Yes. And then
1:11:40And then what happened was when we go
1:11:43to the hotel or whatever to go eat
1:11:47cuz me and my brother, he followed us to
1:11:49the hotel.
1:11:52He looked at me and told me I should bow
1:11:53down to him. Why should I bow down to
1:11:55you? I told him I am not a man to bow
1:11:58down to you besides God.
1:12:01And then all of a sudden he starts
1:12:02acting like he was God. That's what I'm
1:12:04saying. Like it was weird. Like well I
1:12:07believe in you know that's just what his
1:12:10words were to me. That day he started
1:12:13talking about
1:12:17lions or whatever. I was like who cares?
1:12:20I was like look I like dragons. I'm a
1:12:22dragon.
1:12:24My brother started telling him well what
1:12:27color are the dragons? I was like, he's
1:12:29like, "Not the if they were red." Like
1:12:31he was trying to act like he was going
1:12:33crazy or something.
1:12:34>> Mhm.
1:12:35>> That day. I'm cool.
1:12:36>> This is all you ever walk in. Did you go
1:12:37eat breakfast?
1:12:38>> No, this is whenever we eat breakfast.
1:12:40>> Sitting there eating.
1:12:40>> Yes.
1:12:41>> Okay.
1:12:42>> And I'm cool. Like, why did you come up
1:12:45to me like agonizing all this, you know?
1:12:49Like,
1:12:51you already knew what happened about his
1:12:54mom. Like I said, when I found out,
1:12:57whenever he threatened,
1:12:58>> you had your gun back at this point,
1:12:59huh?
1:12:59>> Yes. But the thing is, like this is what
1:13:02happened and why I did it.
1:13:04>> I'm going to get into the detail why I
1:13:06did it.
1:13:07>> Okay.
1:13:07>> Okay. I was already furious once.
1:13:12All right.
1:13:16So, I go back home. Let's go back home.
1:13:19So, okay. It was me, him, my brother,
1:13:24and that black dude. Okay. Afro dude.
1:13:29And that's why
1:13:32I told myself, no wonder why it all
1:13:34matches up. Why he was trying to protect
1:13:36him on the other side? Because it was a
1:13:39child thing, too. And I didn't know. And
1:13:41on the news it says that he was child.
1:13:43It was sex.
1:13:44>> What do you mean he was trying to
1:13:45protect him?
1:13:46>> Like at first he was on my side. Who was
1:13:49>> uh the black dude?
1:13:50>> Okay.
1:13:50>> To me, he was on my side for of saying
1:13:56that he was in the wrong, you know, cuz
1:13:57I was going to fight him. I was I was
1:14:00going to fight him the wrong one. And
1:14:02then
1:14:04whenever you do that, I told him, look,
1:14:09okay, let me get back to the same story
1:14:10that I was cuz I'm cool trying to
1:14:13remember.
1:14:15>> Let's go back to when I was eating and
1:14:16all that stuff was going on. He was
1:14:18making you mad talking like that. He
1:14:19said, "Yo, went back.
1:14:20>> It was you, your brother,
1:14:22>> the black guy, and and the guy that
1:14:24died."
1:14:25>> He said at first No,
1:14:27>> the guy that Oh, yeah. The guy that died
1:14:28was there.
1:14:29>> Yeah, that's what I said. So, it was
1:14:30you, your brother,
1:14:31>> the black guy, you said with the afro,
1:14:33and the guy that died.
1:14:34>> He said at first the the black guy was
1:14:36on your side.
1:14:37>> Yeah.
1:14:38>> What side? What was going Were you all
1:14:39arguing over what he had done to the
1:14:41kids?
1:14:41>> No. Well, well, yeah, until that he said
1:14:44the kid part.
1:14:45>> Okay. And he took off to the restroom. I
1:14:48don't know what happened.
1:14:49>> Is this neasa's house?
1:14:51>> Yeah. Is it was happening?
1:14:52>> So he goes to the restroom.
1:14:53>> He had a bad argument.
1:14:56>> Well, let me let me show what I was
1:14:58trying to say. Okay.
1:14:59>> I'm going to want to get to details so
1:15:00y'all know what's actually happened.
1:15:02>> Okay.
1:15:03>> So everybody knows the truth.
1:15:04>> That's why I was just kind of asking
1:15:05questions to make sure I understand what
1:15:06you're saying.
1:15:08>> And like I said,
1:15:12where was I? Oh, I was there at the
1:15:14hotel.
1:15:18When he told me to bow down to him,
1:15:21I was like, I shouldn't have to bow down
1:15:22to nobody. My brother told us, "Let's
1:15:25go." Told me, "Let's go." He looked at
1:15:28me from the up there by the um food
1:15:30>> by the food and said, "Let's go." Just
1:15:32gave him a sign. Let's go. Okay, let's
1:15:34go. And so he was left there by himself
1:15:39the day that died because I felt that he
1:15:44disrespected me. you know, cool. And so
1:15:46I went to Nita's to go calm down. And I
1:15:48was like, man, why is he um over here
1:15:50agonizing agonizing me like why is he
1:15:54starting stuff with me? And I was like,
1:15:57supposedly that was his her cousin or
1:15:59something.
1:16:00>> Okay.
1:16:01>> And I'm cool. Like I was telling her, I
1:16:02said, "Nah,
1:16:05I'm cool." After that,
1:16:10let me see.
1:16:12I went there.
1:16:15For some reason, he made it there. None
1:16:19of this would have happened if he
1:16:20started what he started. Like, uncle,
1:16:24I have never done something like this
1:16:27unless he triggered me. And I wasn't on
1:16:31my medication and at the time
1:16:36and he threatened me again. Also, we're
1:16:38going to get to details why he
1:16:40threatened me again. Okay. Okay.
1:16:44Well, we're all there chilling and we
1:16:46were talking. I don't know what popped
1:16:48up off of me. I'm saying
1:16:51he came in cuz we were just talking
1:16:54about how I went back and talked to me
1:16:57and my brother and I was like, "Hey,
1:16:59what's going on with your cousin or
1:17:00whatever?" Supposedly their cousin, I
1:17:02don't know. Okay.
1:17:03>> I don't know. I don't call the history
1:17:05or whatever.
1:17:06But when I went over there and told her
1:17:09this, she
1:17:13told me, "No, just calm down." I said,
1:17:15"Calm down. Why do you want me to calm
1:17:17down for someone that's agonizing
1:17:18something?" I said, "You should just
1:17:19calm your cousin down. Tell him leave me
1:17:21alone. He knows what I'm going through
1:17:23right now." Cuz I was going through a
1:17:24hard time with depression back then
1:17:27>> because it kind of hurt me because
1:17:29mom didn't even tell me. You know what I
1:17:32mean? I was a little hurt. Yes, I was.
1:17:37At the same time
1:17:39he came in like I said he came in the
1:17:43doors and he says
1:17:47my brother going to say the same thing.
1:17:48He know if he sees
1:17:53when he came in he says somebody owes
1:17:54him $75 or something like that. $75.
1:17:58Why?
1:18:00Eva checked
1:18:02and my brother checked to see called it
1:18:05there and I'm You don't owe $75
1:18:10to a to a what do you call it?
1:18:14To a hotel
1:18:18to a hotel that
1:18:21me and my brother ate before and then
1:18:23they called up there and they told him
1:18:25that it was a lie. I said, "Dude, see
1:18:29why are you agonizing me? Why are you
1:18:32agonizing me?" Like, he I he was trying
1:18:35to pick on me for real. And the movie
1:18:37was
1:18:38like I
1:18:42don't want to seem like no punk or
1:18:43nothing, but you know what I mean? Like
1:18:45then I called him out. I was like,
1:18:47"Well, what are you trying to do? You
1:18:49trying to fire me or what?" because I'm
1:18:50a fool. Cuz he pissed me off because he
1:18:53was trying to catch me. Trying to act
1:18:56like that's when another threat came in.
1:18:59What was that? The threat. What I was
1:19:01trying to say was that he threatened me
1:19:03because if someone didn't Oh, by 12:00
1:19:08someone was going to get hurt.
1:19:11Okay. I felt threatened again.
1:19:14I'm cool. This is what's really
1:19:15happening why I felt threatened. Like,
1:19:18>> so if someone didn't pay the $75 by
1:19:1912:00.
1:19:20>> Yeah. So, I knew he was going to be
1:19:22killed.
1:19:22>> Okay.
1:19:23>> Over $75. And I said, "You know what?"
1:19:26I looked at him. I said, "Homboy," I
1:19:28said, "You're not your client's
1:19:31right about that." I said, "Nobody owes
1:19:33you money." I said, "Homboy,
1:19:37nobody owes I don't know in the streets
1:19:39nothing." I said, "Who are you to come
1:19:42up here and ask me if you start talking
1:19:43about God or whatever?" I don't know. It
1:19:46was weird. really weird. The dude was
1:19:48acting weird that night
1:19:51on the pool.
1:19:54And then whenever he said, this is when
1:19:56I blacked out, is whenever he said that
1:20:01he started going on about how he got
1:20:04locked up. I don't remember. I think
1:20:06Neil was the one that asked him, "Cool."
1:20:10And then
1:20:13he started telling me how good and glad
1:20:15he was happy that he molested this girl.
1:20:18I was like, whoa. He was um
1:20:24he was there.
1:20:29Trying to remember
1:20:31who is what like
1:20:35okay threat me three two times. once was
1:20:38that whenever he called me a [ __ ]
1:20:40saying that I he wouldn't help me with
1:20:42the moment or whatever and then this
1:20:44time whenever
1:20:47he threat me about that $70
1:20:51so I felt threatened twice.
1:20:53>> Okay. But at that time you had your gun
1:20:55back. You had it back for a while.
1:20:56>> Yeah. I had it back. That's why I said I
1:20:58run the stop line. It was my gun. I had
1:21:00it.
1:21:02>> But when I felt threatened,
1:21:05you know, I said, "All right, whatever.
1:21:08I don't know. I'll fight him with doubt,
1:21:10no gun or whatever. Yeah, I'll fight
1:21:12him. He said, "No, no."
1:21:16But here it started off with
1:21:22whenever
1:21:24whenever
1:21:27it cooled down for a minute or whatever
1:21:29and I said, "You know what? Let me get
1:21:30out of here so so I can cool off." So, I
1:21:33left, came back. I didn't even leave. I
1:21:36just went out there to my smoke. Come
1:21:37back cuz that's where I was been
1:21:39chilling at. And
1:21:41how he's going to come in? Was
1:21:42>> it dark or was it light?
1:21:43>> No, it was light. It was early.
1:21:45>> It was already light.
1:21:45>> It was already light. It was
1:21:49It was like morning time when this
1:21:51happened cuz it was like Cuz we didn't
1:21:53Breakfast didn't start till 6:00.
1:21:55>> Was it Was it light or dark when you had
1:21:57breakfast?
1:21:58>> Like to walk out when we open
1:21:59>> when the light when light was just
1:22:01barely getting open.
1:22:02>> Okay. And um
1:22:06like I was saying,
1:22:07>> you went outside. I'm sorry.
1:22:09>> I went outside
1:22:11when I calmed down. It was about
1:22:15lunchtime or somewhere around evening
1:22:18lunch towards the evening like 1 or two
1:22:20when I shot him because let me get the
1:22:22details.
1:22:24Details were that whenever
1:22:29he said that he molested
1:22:33a little girl. It triggered me. It
1:22:35really did. And it hurt me so much
1:22:38that
1:22:41he flipped.
1:22:45He made me go.
1:22:49I felt bad like really really for the
1:22:51girls. I really did.
1:22:54But whenever kind of saying let me get
1:22:57back to the thing. Okay. Whenever he was
1:23:00um telling me about
1:23:04about
1:23:07what we were fighting about like I'm
1:23:09trying to remember
1:23:11trying to be right this time being right
1:23:14this whole time like getting right from
1:23:16all story just right.
1:23:19Well,
1:23:22um,
1:23:28cool. He
1:23:32Well, once he threatened me about that
1:23:35$70 and I'm trying to remember what he
1:23:37did,
1:23:39cool.
1:23:40The story didn't all add up. They're not
1:23:42telling you the right story. I'm trying
1:23:43to tell you the right story, you know.
1:23:49I'm cool.
1:23:56Nemo are not telling me all the fact.
1:23:58Nemo is not telling you the story.
1:24:01>> Is not
1:24:03she was there. She heard everything what
1:24:05was going on, why it happened, what it
1:24:07happened was that
1:24:10>> she he was threatening me.
1:24:13>> There was there was three people in that
1:24:15room besides me. Nah, the brother and
1:24:20and that black dude.
1:24:22>> Okay.
1:24:23>> Okay. Like I said, after we started
1:24:25talking about child, that's when he left
1:24:28out the room.
1:24:29>> That black dude.
1:24:30>> Okay.
1:24:31>> Which it all makes sense now why he went
1:24:33out the room.
1:24:35And because when I said I don't like
1:24:44and then whenever
1:24:47all this started happen
1:24:51with him because he was like that's
1:24:53wrong too because it's wrong that you
1:24:56don't molest don't be happy that you
1:24:58molest a kid
1:25:01and then whenever my mother did that
1:25:05we called him outside
1:25:08I said okay
1:25:10well
1:25:13I loaded up my gun I was like already
1:25:15anxious this. I like, you know, this.
1:25:19I gave him the thing, the the will to
1:25:22shoot me. I told him, "Here, here's my
1:25:25gun. Don't shoot me. I'm coming back for
1:25:28you."
1:25:30So, he didn't, but we waited and waited.
1:25:33We started an argument for a little
1:25:35while, and then that's whenever what's
1:25:36her name came in out of nowhere. Uh, a
1:25:41started saying that he took her and
1:25:45beatated her and had her hostage for
1:25:47four days at the um that what do you
1:25:50call it? The
1:25:52the thing I told you earlier.
1:25:54>> Villa.
1:25:54>> The villa. Yeah.
1:25:57So, I just snapped after that and then
1:26:03he was already asleep and I shot him.
1:26:06>> He was sleeping.
1:26:06>> Yeah, he was sleeping on the chair when
1:26:08I shot him. Yeah.
1:26:09>> Where was your gun? You had it.
1:26:11>> I had it on me. Whenever I told him and
1:26:13her brother I was going to do it, they
1:26:14told me not to do it. There's always a
1:26:16better way of doing this.
1:26:18>> Anybody else tell you not to do it?
1:26:20>> Huh?
1:26:20>> Did anybody else tell you not to do it?
1:26:22>> Yeah. Hey, the black guy.
1:26:23>> The black guy and my brother.
1:26:24>> That's what happened after you shot him.
1:26:26>> After I shot him, that's whenever I got
1:26:29up.
1:26:31Whenever he started calling me, that's
1:26:33when everybody ran back in. The black
1:26:35dude and my brother ran back in. That's
1:26:38whenever
1:26:40he
1:26:42when I shot him. He started calling me
1:26:44dad. I was like, "Dude, I'm not your
1:26:46dad." I was already furious like it
1:26:48threatened me.
1:26:49>> He's calling me dad.
1:26:50>> Yeah, he was calling me dad. I was like,
1:26:53"Dude, I'm not your dad. Why would you
1:26:54arrest somebody?" Cuz whenever
1:26:58that happened cuz I was already mad. I
1:27:00was going to fight him. I was going to
1:27:01call him out. But whenever he did that,
1:27:03I freaked out because I thought it was
1:27:04true already. Like what else is he going
1:27:08to do?
1:27:08>> Yeah.
1:27:08>> Like who else is he going to molest? And
1:27:11who else is he going to go out there and
1:27:14grab like a female wise,
1:27:16>> right?
1:27:18>> So me, I just snapped and said, "You
1:27:21know what? I already know what I'm
1:27:22doing." I said, "Forgive me, Lord." And
1:27:24I shot him. I did.
1:27:28I stabbed him.
1:27:32If the you said the black dude was on
1:27:34his side, why would the black dude hit
1:27:36him in the head?
1:27:36>> The black dude was on his that felt like
1:27:38he was on his side because he was just
1:27:41trying to calm him down and me down
1:27:44because and the cool whenever I said
1:27:47that I said, "Man, those people should
1:27:49be dead." You know, people like that
1:27:51should be be dead on the pool. They
1:27:53should have. And
1:27:56we started an argument. you and me and
1:27:59that dude that died.
1:28:00>> Let me let me ask you this question. You
1:28:02given us several different scenarios,
1:28:04but I want to I want to ask you I'm
1:28:05gonna ask you point blank. Is the one
1:28:07you're telling me now true?
1:28:08>> This the truth. Yes.
1:28:09>> So when y'all got back and all this
1:28:10started up
1:28:11>> Yes.
1:28:12>> and then he was asleep and you shot him
1:28:13and they come in.
1:28:14>> Mhm.
1:28:15>> That you're telling me that?
1:28:16>> Yes. This is the whole truth. This is
1:28:18what I'm telling you. This is the whole
1:28:19truth now.
1:28:20>> That's why I said might as well just
1:28:21tell the truth and sit here and lie
1:28:24making up. I'm being real. Like the real
1:28:27truth is that I shot him because she
1:28:31came in scared saying that he had her
1:28:35hostage at the freaking hotel,
1:28:38okay, for 4 days. And I been asking them
1:28:41where has she been? Asking me where she
1:28:44been.
1:28:47Once he did that,
1:28:50I don't I just figured off shot him
1:28:53because of all that was happening and
1:28:56all that went.
1:28:57>> And then after you shot him, we were
1:29:00just talking about talking about you
1:29:01said a black guy came in.
1:29:03>> I got my brother came in. They said,
1:29:06"What did he do?" I said, "I saw him."
1:29:09And he was he standed up. I got him.
1:29:14I stabbed him. So, so the black guy and
1:29:16your brother, they all saw this.
1:29:19>> Uh, yeah. They all saw that I shot him.
1:29:23>> They all saw you shot him. They held it.
1:29:24So, they didn't come in after you shot
1:29:26him.
1:29:26>> That's whenever they That's what I'm
1:29:28saying. I'm trying to say it the right
1:29:30way. Yeah. My brother and him told me
1:29:32not to shoot him
1:29:33>> like seconds before you shot him.
1:29:35>> Yeah. Like,
1:29:36>> they were in the room when you shot him.
1:29:37>> No, they were outside when I shot him.
1:29:40Neva was in the room with a
1:29:42>> in the room with you. M. No, I was in
1:29:44the room.
1:29:45>> So, we're just back to you and him cuz
1:29:46long ago you said everybody was in the
1:29:47room.
1:29:48>> That's when everybody whenever whenever
1:29:49I shot the gun.
1:29:50>> So, everybody saw you stabbing?
1:29:53>> Well, I don't know who saw me stab him,
1:29:54but on I could have sworn that it was
1:29:58that black dude that seen me stab him
1:30:00cuz I remember him hitting him over the
1:30:02head with it.
1:30:04>> Where's Where's the bat that he hit?
1:30:07>> Um, it was with that stuff. What stuff?
1:30:10>> That was in the back of the truck.
1:30:13You put it in the back of the truck,
1:30:15>> everything. Yeah, cuz I was the one that
1:30:17helped him put it all up.
1:30:19>> Where did y'all take it to?
1:30:20>> I didn't take it nowhere. It was here by
1:30:22itself.
1:30:23>> Did you help put the guy that got shot
1:30:25in the back of the truck?
1:30:26>> No, sir. I left.
1:30:27>> That really happened while you were
1:30:28going.
1:30:29>> Yes, sir.
1:30:29>> And then when you came back and the guy
1:30:31was there with his truck and you took
1:30:32the carpet out and all that?
1:30:33>> Yeah.
1:30:33>> You load that.
1:30:35>> And look, I mean, the black dude told me
1:30:39that he helped him.
1:30:41>> Okay. loaded up when I came back and I
1:30:43said, "Man, what the
1:30:46I said,
1:30:49man, this is going to be bad on us no
1:30:50matter what." I'm like, "Who?"
1:30:56I told him, "Man, I shouldn't have done
1:30:58this." And I was freaking out already. I
1:31:00was already freaking out. So, what Nemo
1:31:03wanted was for me and my brother to put
1:31:05the couches in thing. So where did he
1:31:09then
1:31:10>> on top of the car? His truck.
1:31:12>> In the truck.
1:31:13>> Yeah.
1:31:14>> No.
1:31:16>> But I was there.
1:31:20My life was threatened that night.
1:31:22>> Let me let me ask you this. You you seem
1:31:24sure that you you seem sure that you
1:31:26shot him around lunch.
1:31:28>> It was somewhere around that time, sir.
1:31:30>> It wasn't like right when the sun was
1:31:32coming up.
1:31:33>> No, sir.
1:31:33>> Did y'all shoot another round like when
1:31:36the sun was coming up? Were y'all
1:31:37jacking around with a gun and somebody
1:31:39shoot another round?
1:31:40>> Um
1:31:41>> like early early in the morning like
1:31:42when the sun was coming up like right
1:31:44before the sun came up.
1:31:46>> Not that I remember
1:31:47>> anybody fired the gun off at the
1:31:49apartment before that day? No.
1:31:51>> That day?
1:31:52>> Uh the first time the gun got fired that
1:31:54day was when you shot him. There was a
1:31:56time before that.
1:31:57>> Yeah.
1:31:58>> Okay.
1:31:59>> Somebody told us that this happened like
1:32:00at 6:30 in the morning.
1:32:03>> 6:30 in the morning.
1:32:04>> That would be before the sun came up.
1:32:05They would be dark.
1:32:06>> Like I said, we were at breakfast even.
1:32:09>> They heard a gunshot
1:32:11at that time in the morning.
1:32:13>> Um on the pool, like I said, my It's on
1:32:16video where I was at.
1:32:17>> Okay. So, the morning he was shot, y'all
1:32:19were at that hotel eating breakfast.
1:32:21>> Mhm. Where
1:32:23>> like as the sun came up?
1:32:25>> Yeah. The sun, he was there with us
1:32:28>> and then y'all went back to the house
1:32:29and it was four or five hours later
1:32:31before you shot.
1:32:32>> Mhm.
1:32:34I did. And
1:32:37like I said, I did it for the reason
1:32:39why.
1:32:39>> Okay.
1:32:40>> Let me ask you. I think we've kind of
1:32:41progressed here.
1:32:44There's a difference. There's a
1:32:45difference between
1:32:47>> Oh, I'm fixing to die. I'm going to
1:32:49shoot you and I'm doing it because he's
1:32:52with Anna. He's messed with this
1:32:5412-year-old kid. He's he's a he's a
1:32:57danger to society. I feel like everybody
1:33:00is threatened with this man still
1:33:02living. Is that what kind of threat
1:33:04you're talking about? Or did you feel
1:33:05like you were fixing to die?
1:33:06>> No, I felt like I was fixing to die.
1:33:08>> Cuz if he was asleep on the couch, I
1:33:09don't see how you could say that.
1:33:10>> That's what I'm saying to you. How could
1:33:12you act like he was
1:33:14>> Your brother's got time to tell you
1:33:15don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it.
1:33:16How do you feel threatened?
1:33:18>> He was acting like he was sick. He
1:33:20threatened me that day for real.
1:33:23>> We're talking about at the time. That's
1:33:24what I said. There's a difference
1:33:25between, "Oh, fixing to die and man, I
1:33:28don't like this guy. He's he's doing all
1:33:29these bad things in this world."
1:33:31>> No. What I mean like he was alive just
1:33:34chilling there.
1:33:35>> But you said he was sleeping.
1:33:36>> Yeah, but it looked like he was sleeping
1:33:37but he wasn't cuz
1:33:38>> But could you have got up and walked
1:33:40out?
1:33:40>> Yeah, I could have walked out.
1:33:42>> You understand what I'm saying?
1:33:44>> It wasn't the only choice you had.
1:33:46>> The only choice was that I felt was that
1:33:48he threatened me that day. Okay.
1:33:50>> Like if you stand up in front of this
1:33:52door and pull a gun on me right now,
1:33:54what can I do to get out of here?
1:33:56>> Let me ask.
1:33:58Do you understand what I mean?
1:33:59>> Yeah. That's a direct threat to me.
1:34:02There's no way out.
1:34:04>> But I think you pretty much I think
1:34:06you've answered the what the scenario
1:34:08was on the
1:34:10>> Did you do you feel like he more
1:34:11disrespected you?
1:34:13>> To me,
1:34:15I felt like my life was threatening over
1:34:18this because on the cool he was wanting
1:34:20me to kill his mom, his parents.
1:34:25>> But you did not feel like he was fixing
1:34:27to kill you.
1:34:28>> No, I did. I did. I did. I swear to God
1:34:31I did.
1:34:31>> How do you feel like that if you could
1:34:32have done walked out?
1:34:36>> Well, my life was threatened that day
1:34:39and
1:34:42he was acting like he was asleep, but he
1:34:44wasn't. And then I seen him whenever
1:34:47however I was walking.
1:34:50>> But you already said you got up and
1:34:52smoked and talked to the black shooting.
1:34:56>> Yeah, he slept. But on the pool the day
1:34:59whenever all this started going down,
1:35:01that's whenever what's her name ran in.
1:35:03I ate.
1:35:03>> And that's what I mean. If you were
1:35:04doing to protect her for continuing
1:35:06violence or something, that's one thing,
1:35:08but there's a difference between I'm
1:35:10fixing to die right now.
1:35:11>> Okay. Well,
1:35:13>> I don't think you've told us that you
1:35:14were fixing to die right that minute.
1:35:16That's why you shot him.
1:35:17>> No. What I
1:35:18>> There was a lot of other factors.
1:35:19>> Yeah, there there was. There was. You
1:35:20know what? There was. And I ain't going
1:35:22to lie to you. To me, he wasn't asleep.
1:35:27He was asleep whenever I shot him
1:35:28because I was like because what fed me
1:35:30up was
1:35:30>> you were doing to pro protect a to
1:35:33protect kids to protect his mom
1:35:35>> to protect everybody and plus my life
1:35:37what he threatened me earlier and then
1:35:39for what all that yes I did not lie no
1:35:42more cuz Nicole
1:35:45I just felt like that was right because
1:35:48she came in
1:35:49or something.
1:36:05I did it for other life. I did.
1:36:08>> You did it for society.
1:36:11>> Societyy's a safer place without him.
1:36:14kids, women, his parents, everybody.
1:36:20>> Yeah.
1:36:27>> But on the call, you, your brother, the
1:36:29black guy, a Nea, you know,
1:36:32>> whoever else was there could have just
1:36:34gone up and walked out of the house.
1:36:36>> Yeah.
1:36:37>> Right.
1:36:37>> And on the cool, I was already I already
1:36:40blacked out. Like I'm telling you honest
1:36:43truth like
1:36:46>> it was my life over his on the cool like
1:36:49>> and and and I and I and I I wasn't
1:36:51there. I can't I can't say I know
1:36:54>> you're trying to justify that. I
1:36:55understand that.
1:36:56>> I just it's from looking at it from our
1:36:58perspective.
1:37:00Honestly, it's not self-defense. It was
1:37:02I'm trying to protect society. And
1:37:04there's a difference. It was because
1:37:06whenever he cut me
1:37:09>> I felt I felt I felt no but when I felt
1:37:12was right was whenever he
1:37:14>> was laying down on the couch to sleep.
1:37:17That's whenever I felt was right because
1:37:20on the cool
1:37:23I was already furious.
1:37:25>> Yeah,
1:37:26>> I did feel threatened on the cool. I
1:37:28did.
1:37:28>> Y'all might think it's not but I did. I
1:37:30know what I'm talking about.
1:37:32>> I wasn't there. I told you I wasn't
1:37:33there. I'm not saying Let's talk about
1:37:34the Let's talk about the gun. They said
1:37:36they can't find it.
1:37:37>> How sure are you that where it is?
1:37:39>> The gun? It was thrown over there. I
1:37:41don't know. On the floor.
1:37:44It should be there.
1:37:46>> Did it have the clip with it?
1:37:48>> No. Clip should have been there.
1:37:50>> Where?
1:37:51>> The house.
1:37:52>> They don't have one clip.
1:37:53>> Only has one.
1:37:54>> Okay. And it wasn't in the gun.
1:37:56>> No, sir.
1:37:58>> The bullets were spread out over there.
1:38:00>> But you're sure that's where the gun was
1:38:01at? Was in that little triangle behind
1:38:03you. That's where you threw it.
1:38:04>> That's where did you set it down or did
1:38:05you throw it? Cuz you said it after you.
1:38:09>> Is there a lot of people hanging out
1:38:10there?
1:38:15>> Cool. My life was straightened but on
1:38:18the best way.
1:38:21>> Can you
1:38:24on the real my life was
1:38:27>> okay. Do you feel like there's anything
1:38:29else that we need to know? anything we
1:38:31that we haven't talked about or can we
1:38:32have asked that we should or
1:38:34>> is there anybody else you can think of
1:38:35that we can talk that can verify what
1:38:37you're telling us?
1:38:38>> Yeah, my brother.
1:38:40>> And I think someone's talked to your
1:38:41brother.
1:38:42>> No.
1:38:42>> Anybody else?
1:38:44>> I don't know.
1:38:45>> Where's your brother at?
1:38:46>> I don't know.
1:38:47>> I don't think he wasn't.
1:38:50>> No, the thing is what I'm trying to say
1:38:51is
1:38:55I did shoot him when he slept because I
1:38:58felt that was right whenever. Well, he
1:39:01was acting like he was asleep. He wasn't
1:39:02asleep yet.
1:39:03>> Okay.
1:39:03>> But on the pool, y'all think that it was
1:39:05for society. It wasn't. But whenever he
1:39:08she popped in, that's when I shot it.
1:39:09>> Okay. So, is there anyone who can we
1:39:12talk to to verify what you're telling us
1:39:13is true? You said your brother.
1:39:15>> My brother.
1:39:15>> Who else?
1:39:17>> Um,
1:39:19A.
1:39:20>> A. A. You know where to find A?
1:39:22>> I don't even know.
1:39:22>> When's the last time you saw A?
1:39:24>> Was there at an
1:39:26>> How do you find A? Like, how would you
1:39:27find her? I'm trying to find her, but we
1:39:28can't. I don't even know how to find
1:39:31her. I don't
1:39:31>> where she hangs out or who she hangs out
1:39:33with, where she's from, anything.
1:39:35>> No, I just met her that night.
1:39:36>> Just happened to be in this house.
1:39:38>> Yeah.
1:39:39>> Anyone else?
1:39:40>> Just my brother. And then I told my
1:39:43cousin just a while ago what happened.
1:39:46>> What cousin?
1:39:47>> Dana Alvarez. I told her what happened
1:39:50>> and on the cool
1:39:52I told her that my life was threatening.
1:39:56>> On the cool, that's when I felt that was
1:39:57right. Okay.
1:39:59>> Cuz on a cool that's whenever he went
1:40:01whenever he said all that about the
1:40:02child molesting that's whenever he went
1:40:05in there and then
1:40:06>> but when y'all were in the house he
1:40:07never had your gun. We've got that
1:40:09cleared up.
1:40:09>> Yeah, we we do.
1:40:10>> He never
1:40:11>> but he he was playing cuz I knew him and
1:40:14he was saying that he had his gun too
1:40:16cuz on the cool he did. He I seen his
1:40:19gun before
1:40:19>> that day.
1:40:20>> That day but I don't know what he did.
1:40:22>> You seen his gun that day?
1:40:24>> No, not that day. But my my second
1:40:26thought is, okay, I seen his gun. It was
1:40:29>> I didn't see him with a gun.
1:40:30>> Yes, sir. That's what I'm saying. Like,
1:40:31in the past, I have on the cool. That's
1:40:34what I thought was going to happen.
1:40:37Like, I know y'all thinking I'm
1:40:39bullshitting and stuff.
1:40:40>> I don't think I don't think you're
1:40:41telling me the truth. I mean, you just
1:40:42told us that he was asleep on the couch
1:40:44when you shot him. I mean, we think
1:40:46you're bull about that. I mean,
1:40:48>> it doesn't get much more blatant than
1:40:50that.
1:40:54I think I think I think you know
1:40:56something more about the bats than who
1:40:57hit him. I think you do know something
1:40:58more about that that you just don't want
1:40:59to get other people involved in. And I
1:41:01wish you would. I wish you would tell us
1:41:03exactly what happened after you shot and
1:41:04stabbed. That's what I feel like out.
1:41:07>> Mhm.
1:41:08>> I think you're trying to protect Neva. I
1:41:10think you're trying to protect whoever
1:41:11else was there. Maybe your brother. I
1:41:13don't know who else. But I think you're
1:41:14trying to protect them. And I wish you
1:41:15wouldn't do that. I wish you'd tell us
1:41:16the whole truth.
1:41:18>> Cool. I told you like
1:41:23I just sh
1:41:25>> because everything lines up pretty much
1:41:26with what you're saying except for after
1:41:28the fact then it's not lining up. That's
1:41:30>> Yeah.
1:41:30>> I mean we got other people saying about
1:41:33people that hit him and things like
1:41:34that. I mean
1:41:35>> Yeah.
1:41:35>> Did you hit him with a bat?
1:41:37>> Nah.
1:41:37>> Not even once.
1:41:40>> Not even kind of.
1:41:41>> No.
1:41:43>> You sure?
1:41:44>> I was. Okay. Did you see Neva hit him
1:41:47with a bat? Yeah, I did not. Did you see
1:41:50Eddie hit him? They had a reason to hit
1:41:51him.
1:41:52>> I would think A would have hit.
1:41:53>> He kept he kept her in the closet or the
1:41:55room for 4 days.
1:41:56>> They had plenty of reason to hit him.
1:41:59>> Ray stayed in the room scared. Who?
1:42:01>> Ray did.
1:42:02>> Hey,
1:42:02>> but I thought you said she came outside
1:42:04and told you about
1:42:05>> She came inside whenever she got scared.
1:42:08She seen him just chilling there about
1:42:12to go to bed. I said she came in there.
1:42:18She grabbed my brother, started talking
1:42:20to him. I don't know what she told him.
1:42:22And then what I heard is that when he
1:42:24grabbed her,
1:42:27this is all went down. And then I got
1:42:29frustrated with it. Like I was already
1:42:31scared enough, panicking.
1:42:33I was cool. I was. So you shot, you
1:42:37stabbed, black guy hit him in the back.
1:42:39That's all that's the only assault that
1:42:41you saw happen to him. Nobody else
1:42:43touched him. Nobody else moved him, hit
1:42:45him, nothing. Um, who?
1:43:04Cool. My real room.
1:43:08I just wish this wouldn't happen. But on
1:43:12the thing, like I said, I felt
1:43:14threatened. And
1:43:15>> I know we're talking about after the
1:43:16fact now. We're we're not we're up to
1:43:18the plaque and we're done with that.
1:43:20We're talking about after the fact now.
1:43:22Let me explain this to you.
1:43:24>> You're you're claiming there was a
1:43:25self-defense issue, right?
1:43:26>> Yeah.
1:43:27>> So, so for that to be for that listen,
1:43:30for that to be an issue later down the
1:43:32line,
1:43:33>> you want people to believe you.
1:43:34>> Yeah.
1:43:35>> Right. Okay. So, what happens if we get
1:43:37the six other people that were there,
1:43:39five other people, however many that
1:43:40wasn't there, they give the same story
1:43:42about, "Yeah, I hit him with the back
1:43:44five times. I did this." You know, let's
1:43:47say they tell the same story because
1:43:48everybody tells the truth about what
1:43:50happened.
1:43:50>> And then it gets to you and you say,
1:43:52"Well, I don't know. Uh,
1:43:56>> I see what you mean."
1:43:58>> All the stories.
1:43:59>> I see what you mean. I see what you
1:44:01mean.
1:44:01>> You know,
1:44:01>> yeah, I see what you mean.
1:44:03>> That's why after the fact, you didn't
1:44:05tell the truth. What happened?
1:44:09>> Okay. I don't
1:44:18I did.
1:44:24Nea beat him with the bat, too.
1:44:26>> Why did she do that?
1:44:28>> I don't know why. I'm not going to lie,
1:44:30but she did.
1:44:31>> How many times? about
1:44:32>> I said two times.
1:44:36>> Like where did she hit him at?
1:44:38>> The head.
1:44:39>> You even hit him with the back twice in
1:44:40the head?
1:44:41>> Yes.
1:44:41>> And you don't know why? Just did she
1:44:43grab the back from the black guy or did
1:44:45the black guy really hit her? The black
1:44:47guy really hit him or were you just
1:44:48using him instead to hurt? That's why I
1:44:51say we need all these stories to line
1:44:52up. Oh,
1:44:53>> okay. Nicole, like I said, let me move
1:44:57to your room.
1:45:01Neva did hit him with the bat.
1:45:05She did.
1:45:06>> You think twice? Is that a guess or for
1:45:08sure?
1:45:08>> I think twice
1:45:10>> in the head.
1:45:11>> Yeah.
1:45:11>> Back, front, side.
1:45:13>> Uh, I think it was
1:45:15right here.
1:45:16>> The back of the head?
1:45:18>> Yeah.
1:45:19>> And then then the black dude came in and
1:45:21started hitting them.
1:45:22>> He got the bat from her or a different
1:45:24bat?
1:45:25>> There one bat that I remember.
1:45:26>> Just one bat. He grabbed the bat from
1:45:28Neva.
1:45:28>> Yeah. How many times did he hit him?
1:45:31>> Oh, he hit him I don't know, maybe
1:45:33multiple times.
1:45:34>> Front, back, working.
1:45:35>> Front hit all in the head, not in the
1:45:36body.
1:45:38>> The head and the body, I could have
1:45:39sworn.
1:45:41And
1:45:48I just told him I was like, "Man, I got
1:45:51to go from there." And I told my
1:45:53brother, I said, "Let's go." My brother
1:45:57stood there for a little while chilling
1:45:58with them. I don't know what they did.
1:46:00>> So you left and your brother stayed?
1:46:02>> Yeah. One time. Then
1:46:04>> where did you go when you left?
1:46:05>> When I left, like I said, I went down
1:46:07the street, took off.
1:46:08>> Is that where they was?
1:46:10>> Well, that's when I threw the gun.
1:46:11>> So you went all the way to copper?
1:46:13That's a long ways.
1:46:14>> That's not that far from
1:46:16>> probably a mile at least.
1:46:17>> It's not far. A lot farther before.
1:46:19>> So you ran all the way to the copper and
1:46:20you threw the gun behind copper.
1:46:21>> Mhm.
1:46:22>> That's for sure. You're you're being
1:46:23honest about
1:46:24>> that one for sure.
1:46:25>> Because let me tell you this too also.
1:46:26If if we find the gun, first of all, it
1:46:29keeps it out of the kid's hand and keeps
1:46:30them from shooting themselves in the
1:46:31head. Second of all, we can say, "Hey,
1:46:34he told us the truth about this.
1:46:35Therefore, he's probably telling the
1:46:37truth about this, this, this, and this."
1:46:39>> Okay. I don't
1:46:40>> So, I mean, if we can find that gun, it
1:46:41serves several purposes. First of all,
1:46:43it keeps a kid from killing somebody or
1:46:45themselves.
1:46:45>> Well, like I said, I threw it there, and
1:46:48that's where I'm being
1:46:50where I threw it.
1:46:55Mcool.
1:47:05>> It just looks good. Said, "Hey, he's
1:47:06telling the truth. He told us where this
1:47:08was at."
1:47:08>> Yeah, that's where I threw it the last
1:47:09time.
1:47:10>> Okay.
1:47:11>> Yeah. I mean, if that's where you threw
1:47:12it, that's where you threw. I'm just
1:47:12making sure cuz some of the stuff we've
1:47:14had to drag out of you.
1:47:16>> I'm just making sure you're being
1:47:17truthful about this.
1:47:17>> Yeah. that
1:47:18>> because I really want to find the gun to
1:47:20keep a kid from killing themselves.
1:47:21>> Oh, I know.
1:47:21>> I would hate for my four-year-old to
1:47:22shoot himself in the head with a gun
1:47:23that somebody discarded.
1:47:25>> And I would hate for
1:47:26>> that makes the that makes the child
1:47:27molester look like nothing.
1:47:29>> Yeah.
1:47:29>> You know,
1:47:30>> that's I understand. And I'm the fool.
1:47:32You know, like I said, I threw it there
1:47:36him and her. She hit him,
1:47:40hit him over the head.
1:47:43>> You don't know why she did it? I mean,
1:47:45was it
1:47:47>> It wasn't a plan deal, was it?
1:47:48>> It wasn't.
1:47:50>> It wasn't This wasn't a, "Hey, he's a
1:47:51child molester. Let's take care of him."
1:47:53>> No, I think
1:47:53>> it wasn't nothing like that. Cuz with
1:47:55her hitting him, I don't understand
1:47:56that.
1:47:57>> I don't understand why she would jump in
1:47:59and hit him.
1:48:01>> She did.
1:48:01>> What did he do her?
1:48:03>> Um, I'm guessing that she was um he was
1:48:06in there in that room with her for a
1:48:08little while talking some bull crap,
1:48:10trying to get in her head, saying that I
1:48:12was trying to kill her or something. And
1:48:13I was like, "No, there's no way." Just
1:48:15she came back and told me that.
1:48:17>> Yeah.
1:48:18>> That same day he told me that. Yeah. He
1:48:21tried to say try to get in my head
1:48:23saying that um tried to kill him. Wanted
1:48:26me to He was saying that we were going
1:48:28to kill her for some reason. I don't
1:48:30know why.
1:48:34I guess.
1:48:35>> Do you have a Do you have a napkin that
1:48:38really?
1:48:39>> No, not really. Why?
1:48:40>> You just got some mayonnaise on your
1:48:42lip. Oh,
1:48:46>> in the pool.
1:48:52>> Oh,
1:48:53>> why didn't Why didn't A get? It seems
1:48:55like a would have a reason.
1:48:56>> A scared.
1:48:57>> She was scared. She stood in her bed
1:48:59scared.
1:48:59>> So, she didn't see anybody hit anybody.
1:49:01A
1:49:02>> she didn't see anybody shoot anybody.
1:49:03She didn't see anybody stab anybody. She
1:49:04didn't see anybody hit anybody.
1:49:06>> Um, cool. Don't remember.
1:49:09>> Yeah, she did.
1:49:10>> And if you don't remember, I respect
1:49:11that. If you don't remember,
1:49:12>> I don't remember about her.
1:49:13>> I'd rather you tell me you don't
1:49:14remember than yes or no if you don't
1:49:15know.
1:49:16>> Yeah. Um on the cool all I remember her
1:49:18is
1:49:18>> But your brother saw Geneva hit him and
1:49:22your brother saw a black guy hit him.
1:49:24>> On the cool. I don't know if he did or
1:49:25not.
1:49:25>> I thought you said he came in the room
1:49:27right after you stabbed him.
1:49:28>> Right after I stabbed him
1:49:29>> or right after you shot him?
1:49:31>> Yes, he did. So he was he wasn't in the
1:49:33room. I said those two the black guy and
1:49:35the my brother were outside. I was
1:49:38inside.
1:49:39>> You shot him? Yeah. And they came
1:49:40running in.
1:49:41>> Yep. And then that's whenever Neil and
1:49:44Neva and her home girl her home girls
1:49:47stay taken the room.
1:49:49And that's whenever Neil came out and
1:49:51said, "What's going on after I shot?"
1:49:53>> And your brother and the black guy came
1:49:54in.
1:49:54>> Uh-huh.
1:49:55>> So they would have seen all that.
1:49:57>> No, they didn't. Cuz they were outside.
1:49:59They shot him. I'm cool. I don't know
1:50:02who seen what, but when I stabbed him, I
1:50:04stabbed him. I'm a cool I don't know if
1:50:06my brother seen it. But
1:50:07>> your brother and the black guy came down
1:50:09at the same time.
1:50:10Yeah. So if the black guy did something,
1:50:12your brother was in it.
1:50:15>> My brother from the truth. My brother.
1:50:27My brother. I really don't know what he
1:50:30>> We'll find out. Yeah.
1:50:32>> Cuz on the truth like I only did what I
1:50:35did
1:50:36>> and then that's that's all you can
1:50:38expect. I just I want your story to line
1:50:39up with everybody else's story. I don't
1:50:40want I don't want you to say, "Hey, I'm
1:50:42being honest with you." Then everybody
1:50:44else's story is different. And everybody
1:50:45looks at you like,
1:50:46>> "I don't think you are." But your
1:50:48stories line up.
1:50:50All right.
1:50:53Fool you two were. It was all of us.
1:50:59All of us got him. All of us. Me,
1:51:04him,
1:51:06>> the black dude. You and the black dude.
1:51:08>> Black dude. My brother. My brother. He
1:51:12was chilling there and
1:51:15I don't know. I did the stabbing and the
1:51:18shooting.
1:51:21Now the bat and all that
1:51:26I wasn't really there to see because
1:51:28Neva I remember seeing Neva and what's
1:51:30her name? My brother. He had the bat but
1:51:33I don't know if he hit him. I left. So
1:51:36you saw the black guy navy, but you
1:51:37don't know about your brother.
1:51:39>> My brother I I remember
1:51:45my brother
1:51:50hit him over the head
1:51:54with the bat.
1:51:55>> Brother hit him with the back.
1:51:56>> Yeah, my brother hit him over the back
1:51:58cuz
1:52:00cuz on a real Cuz on a real real this is
1:52:03what happened. like he just felt like
1:52:05everybody like
1:52:07>> y'all were taking care of a problem.
1:52:09He's a child predator. You're taking
1:52:10care of it. Period.
1:52:12>> No, not just that. It was just felt
1:52:15like, you know, in the pool
1:52:17>> bragging about it.
1:52:18>> He was and then he was threatening other
1:52:20people and then what he did to Ape, you
1:52:22know.
1:52:22>> Does that mean you all got together,
1:52:24took care of her problem?
1:52:25>> No.
1:52:25>> I mean, it sounds bad to say it like
1:52:27that, but that's what happened.
1:52:28>> Did they did they hit him with a bat?
1:52:31>> No. No, she didn't. On the cool.
1:52:33>> What's your What's your brother's name?
1:52:34Josh.
1:52:35>> Brother's Josh. Yeah. But on the cool,
1:52:38the reason why I did it is cuz I felt
1:52:40threatened. And then
1:52:41>> I know we've got to that. We're We're
1:52:43past that. I realize that you said that.
1:52:46>> We're trying to figure out why everybody
1:52:47else is hitting with that.
1:52:48>> Is it because everybody didn't like him
1:52:50cuz he he's
1:52:51>> My brother My brother My brother got mad
1:52:53because the simple fact the way he came
1:52:55at me too because he threatened me. My
1:52:58brother's like, "How you going to
1:52:58threaten my brother?" So he was taking
1:53:00out some anger about what he did to you.
1:53:02Your brother was
1:53:04>> Yeah. And
1:53:05>> that makes sense. That's that's
1:53:06understandable.
1:53:07>> And on the cool
1:53:15they
1:53:18Yeah, that's what happened.
1:53:19>> Was Was Haime there?
1:53:21>> Who? Hime that white dude.
1:53:23>> No, Geneva's dad.
1:53:25>> Geneva's dad. Um,
1:53:29yeah, I think he was. Yeah. Okay.
1:53:32>> Is there anybody else there?
1:53:34>> Um, no. Whenever
1:53:37>> whenever it happened. I'm not talking
1:53:38about moving the body. And I'm not
1:53:40talking about that. Whenever it
1:53:41happened, just y'all, the people you
1:53:43mentioned and
1:53:46>> uh
1:53:47>> Geneva's dad.
1:53:48>> Geneva's dad.
1:53:50>> Geneva's dad was
1:53:54I think he was there. He was there at
1:53:56the time, but I don't remember if he was
1:53:58there when I shot him because I remember
1:53:59telling him I said, "Man, how are you
1:54:00going to have a child with him
1:54:02threatening me?" I was trying to talk to
1:54:03him to be cool on the cool.
1:54:05>> Did Hime do anything?
1:54:06>> No. Hman didn't do anything. He he just
1:54:09said, "Man,
1:54:10>> what
1:54:13was there?" Let me ask you this. You
1:54:15said that when you let you left after
1:54:17this earlier. You said when you left he
1:54:19was alive. Is that true?
1:54:21>> Whenever he left. Whenever you left
1:54:23after this happened, you said that that
1:54:26guy was still alive. Is that true?
1:54:29>> When he when he was still alive. Yes.
1:54:31>> Apologized to you.
1:54:32>> Was that true?
1:54:33>> Yes. Whenever he apologized whenever I
1:54:35shot him and said
1:54:37whenever he left, I mean, whenever I
1:54:40left,
1:54:43he was still alive, but he it felt like
1:54:45he died for a minute. He did. It felt
1:54:47like he did. And when I left
1:54:50>> when you came when you came back the
1:54:52second time.
1:54:53>> Yeah. When I came back
1:54:54>> you came back three times total, right?
1:54:55You were there three times total.
1:54:56>> Three times.
1:54:57>> When you came back the second time or
1:54:58was was he alive or was he dead? Do you
1:55:00know?
1:55:01>> He was a little he was still alive.
1:55:04>> And then
1:55:04>> was it dark yet?
1:55:05>> What time of day was that?
1:55:07>> This all happened like around said
1:55:10around morning.
1:55:11>> Okay. You you left after it happened.
1:55:14>> I left.
1:55:14>> How long were you gone? I was gone.
1:55:17Well, me and my brother.
1:55:20>> You said you left first and then came
1:55:21back.
1:55:22>> I left first.
1:55:23>> How long were you gone the first time
1:55:24you left?
1:55:25>> I didn't leave but maybe like 20
1:55:27minutes.
1:55:28>> You couldn't get to the villa and back
1:55:29in 20 minutes.
1:55:31>> No, that was the second time.
1:55:33>> When you left the first time and came
1:55:34back, how much time had passed?
1:55:36>> Oh, on that one?
1:55:37>> Oh, yeah. I went to the villa after it
1:55:39happened. You said you left.
1:55:41>> Yes.
1:55:41>> And then you came back a second. You
1:55:43came back the first time you came back.
1:55:45How much time had passed between the
1:55:47time you left and the first time you
1:55:48came back?
1:55:48>> Man, on the pool. I don't remember about
1:55:51the villa. The
1:55:53>> the villa. I don't know how long it took
1:55:55me.
1:55:55>> The first time you got back though, was
1:55:56he still alive?
1:55:58>> Uh when first time I got back when I
1:56:00came back?
1:56:02>> Uh yeah, he was. Okay.
1:56:05>> How long did you stay that time?
1:56:07>> I didn't stay that long.
1:56:08>> What was everybody talking about? What
1:56:09was What was going on when you came
1:56:10back?
1:56:12Um,
1:56:12>> what are we going to do with him? I
1:56:14mean, what was going on?
1:56:15>> Yeah. They said, "Well, what are we
1:56:17going to do with him?" And I said, "I
1:56:18don't know." So, I took off and my
1:56:21brother. So,
1:56:21>> you came and then when he came back the
1:56:23second time, is that when he was gone?
1:56:25>> Yeah, that's whenever he was gone.
1:56:26>> And And what did they tell you when
1:56:28Geneva told you what that he What did
1:56:31What did you find out when he came back
1:56:32the second time?
1:56:33>> The second time. The second time is
1:56:36whenever
1:56:39the second time
1:56:42I'm trying to remember this stuff so I
1:56:44don't it all makes sense
1:56:47cuz I came back three times. Second time
1:56:51I left to go and
1:56:55went up the street to go
1:56:58calm down cuz I felt sick.
1:57:02>> Light or dark? It was getting dark.
1:57:04>> It's getting dark.
1:57:05>> Yeah. And then
1:57:06>> And he was already gone or he was still
1:57:07there?
1:57:08>> He was still there.
1:57:08>> Okay.
1:57:09>> He was still there.
1:57:10>> And he was alive then?
1:57:11>> Yeah.
1:57:11>> Okay.
1:57:12>> And then
1:57:13>> was he moving, moaning, talking?
1:57:16>> No, he was just moving just a little
1:57:17bit. He was He was cuz I felt
1:57:24>> You got sick and you walked out.
1:57:25>> Got sick and walked out and then uh you
1:57:27know rather left with him.
1:57:29>> So you never went back in after you
1:57:30walked out at that time? Mm-
1:57:33>> you and your brother walked around and
1:57:35left.
1:57:35>> Yeah, we took off and then that's
1:57:37whenever we came back the third time.
1:57:38>> Third time about what time was it?
1:57:40>> Third time.
1:57:40>> Way after dark.
1:57:41>> No, I don't remember. Way after dark. I
1:57:44just remember coming back and it was
1:57:45gone.
1:57:46>> Did What did you find out? You told me
1:57:48earlier that you said earlier that
1:57:49someone told you what happened. Who told
1:57:51you why he wasn't there? What happened
1:57:53to you?
1:57:54>> Well, how do you know what happened to
1:57:56him? How did you know?
1:57:57>> I went there.
1:57:59Was
1:58:02your brother with you this time?
1:58:04>> No, my brother was with you the third
1:58:06time.
1:58:06>> Yeah, he was.
1:58:07>> He was still there when you got back?
1:58:09>> Yeah. And
1:58:12the third time my brother went with me.
1:58:14>> Okay. Who was at the house when you went
1:58:15back?
1:58:16>> I didn't tell this part of the story.
1:58:17>> The third time
1:58:20my brother went with me. Me and my
1:58:21brother went for a walk or whatever.
1:58:23Came back. He was gone. And then it was
1:58:26that dude on the news right now.
1:58:30>> Okay.
1:58:30>> That
1:58:32dude. And
1:58:35>> And when you said the guy from the news,
1:58:36who you talking about?
1:58:37>> That white dude.
1:58:39And then
1:58:40>> that got arrested for this for this
1:58:42case.
1:58:42>> Uhhuh. And then that black dude that
1:58:44just got got it in.
1:58:50>> Okay.
1:58:51that black dude that just went in just
1:58:54not too long ago, the one they're
1:58:56talking about on the news that recently
1:59:00and
1:59:04they told me
1:59:09he told me that he was happy that he was
1:59:12gone.
1:59:12>> Who said that?
1:59:15>> The black eagle.
1:59:17>> What did he say happened to you?
1:59:19>> What happened? Mhm.
1:59:22>> They told me that they ran to the
1:59:24carriage house with him.
1:59:26And I said, "No,
1:59:29you should have finished him."
1:59:33Was that cool?
1:59:34>> What do you mean I should have finished
1:59:35him?
1:59:35>> They shouldn't have left him alive cuz I
1:59:37thought he was gone. I said, "No, you
1:59:40should finish him." Like,
1:59:43cuz at first I've been on the call. At
1:59:45first, I told everybody, "Let me shoot
1:59:47him. Get it over with." instead of
1:59:49letting him suffer like that.
1:59:52>> But I'm guessing
1:59:54to me I'm guessing that's how Neva
1:59:57wanted it was for them to make him
2:00:00suffer.
2:00:00>> So you told everyone earlier that they
2:00:02should let you finish him.
2:00:04>> Yes, I told everybody let me finish him
2:00:05because it's not that's how it really
2:00:08started. Like I was wanting to finish
2:00:10him cuz I shouldn't have suffered that
2:00:12bad
2:00:14to me.
2:00:16I should have just told y'all the right
2:00:18in this in the story, but I'm just like
2:00:20trying to
2:00:20>> How did you know that he didn't finish?
2:00:23>> Because they told me that he wasn't
2:00:25dead. He He wasn't He was still alive.
2:00:34>> Yep.
2:00:34>> But he was still alive when they left
2:00:36him there.
2:00:36>> Yes, sir.
2:00:37>> And then that morning found him.
2:00:43What happened to his wallet? I don't
2:00:45know.
2:00:46>> You have his wallet?
2:00:47>> I don't have none of that stuff.
2:00:48>> Do you have any of his things?
2:00:49>> No, sir. I don't I don't know what
2:00:52happened to none of his.
2:00:52>> So, when you went back that second time
2:00:54and you met the guy from the news and
2:00:56and the black guy,
2:00:58>> they told you that that they had uh that
2:01:01he was gone and that they threw him at
2:01:03the carriage house.
2:01:04>> Yeah.
2:01:04>> And you told him that they should have
2:01:05finished him.
2:01:06>> I told I've been telling them that since
2:01:08a long time ago.
2:01:10>> Okay. So, you've been telling throughout
2:01:11the day that this should
2:01:12>> Yeah, I should go ahead and finish him
2:01:14off because there's no way she suffered.
2:01:15Neva was wanting I don't know what she
2:01:18was wanting
2:01:20for us to do.
2:01:22>> Do you think that Nea wanted him wanted
2:01:23him to suffer?
2:01:24>> I think so because she knew something
2:01:26about him on the real real I think it
2:01:28all happened that way. The reason why I
2:01:31got him was for the simple fact that
2:01:35like I said, I felt threatened that day.
2:01:39You threatened me twice and then I was
2:01:40going through a bad depression and then
2:01:45like I did I was going
2:01:53you know
2:01:56and then I was I was supposed to be on
2:01:58the meds. Really? Really?
2:01:59>> Yeah. I'm supposed to be and I haven't
2:02:01been taking my meds and then I was
2:02:03already going through a little
2:02:05depression
2:02:07through a little depression man and I
2:02:10think my brother the reason why he
2:02:11helped me was because for the simple
2:02:14fact that he knew that
2:02:19he threatened me that day
2:02:22and I said you know
2:02:28like I'm cool. I don't even think he was
2:02:31asleep cuz Neil even said that she
2:02:33remember seeing him just moving his eyes
2:02:36like uncool.
2:02:39And then he knew because I said his name
2:02:42like this how it all started like really
2:02:44really like he was pretending to be a I
2:02:49knew he was but I felt and he knew what
2:02:51I was doing cuz I seen him.
2:02:53>> Why how do you know that? Because
2:02:55whenever someone's faking, I already see
2:02:57their eyes opening.
2:02:59>> He thought he just faking like Why would
2:03:01he do that?
2:03:02>> Because why would he over here, you
2:03:04know, mix stuff up that day?
2:03:07>> Yeah. Why would he just do that to
2:03:10somebody to
2:03:13really hurt somebody to really get under
2:03:16somebody's skin? You know what I mean?
2:03:18To be honest with you, that's what he
2:03:20did. Like he got under my skin real bad.
2:03:25you know, and I just did what I did.
2:03:28Okay.
2:03:30>> Because
2:03:33Will you Will you hop in a car with us
2:03:36and let's run out there behind Villa
2:03:37Bill or run out there behind Copper and
2:03:39show us where you threw it so we can try
2:03:41to find that?
2:03:42>> Okay.
2:03:43>> Will you do you mind doing that?
2:03:44>> No, I don't mind.
2:03:45>> Okay. I just I I'm I'm telling you the
2:03:47complete God's honest truth.
2:03:49>> It's not about this case. It's about a
2:03:51kid from the villa finding that gun and
2:03:52shooting somebody. It's It's a simple
2:03:54>> I feel you. I understand. I understand.
2:03:58>> I just I just want to try. We're going
2:03:59to use all the resources we can to find
2:04:01it.
2:04:01>> Yeah. I understand. But I don't want to
2:04:04understand why I shot him.
2:04:06>> I think I think it's good. I mean, I
2:04:08think it's
2:04:08>> I think you've made your point. I I
2:04:10really do. I think I think you've
2:04:12emphasized the points that that you feel
2:04:14like are self-defense. And I I I
2:04:17>> do, but you I don't think y'all do
2:04:19understand on the pool yet. So it feels
2:04:22like
2:04:22>> well the thing is it's not for us to
2:04:24make that judgment.
2:04:25>> To me it feels like to me the way y'all
2:04:28look at me like I see it you know like
2:04:31it's just the way y'all looking at me
2:04:32like
2:04:35I don't know like I feel that you feel
2:04:38like I did this because of all this
2:04:40other bull stuff. I don't I didn't but I
2:04:43I did it because I did it my life was
2:04:46threatened also. I I can I can tell you
2:04:48right now it honestly
2:04:50>> it doesn't matter how I feel.
2:04:52>> Yeah.
2:04:53>> Is what we do is we take all the facts
2:04:54and we take your statement. We take
2:04:56everybody's statement and we give it to
2:04:58it doesn't matter how I personally feel
2:04:59about it. It honestly doesn't. Does that
2:05:02make sense?
2:05:02>> Yeah, it makes sense. It makes sense.
2:05:04But I just want to know that
2:05:07>> my life respected you.
2:05:08>> Mhm.
2:05:08>> As well as his.
2:05:10>> Yeah. No,
2:05:12>> it was cool.
2:05:13>> I I respect the [ __ ] out of you for
2:05:14coming in here and giving your side of
2:05:15the story. And yeah, I respect that too
2:05:19that you know, all I want is people not
2:05:22to look down on me just for, you know,
2:05:24something that people don't understand
2:05:26why I did it.
2:05:28>> And and
2:05:30look at look at policing in America
2:05:32right now. What how do they look at us?
2:05:33What do you think people look up to us
2:05:35or down to us right now? Well, if you
2:05:37can sit there and prove it like to me as
2:05:40sit there and prove it like you didn't I
2:05:45see it as if you didn't if you felt like
2:05:47your life was threatened, you know, and
2:05:52child and stuff. Yeah. You know.
2:05:55>> Oh, and that's and and
2:05:57>> and the police thing,
2:05:59some of them have it on video and stuff
2:06:01like No, no, but I'm saying I'm saying
2:06:03the public I can't control what the
2:06:05public thinks about me. I can't control
2:06:07what the public thinks about you. We
2:06:09just can't do that. I mean,
2:06:11>> does that make sense?
2:06:12>> I don't think nothing of y'all. I think
2:06:13it's Dino's job.
2:06:15>> Yeah, I know. That's what I mean. But I
2:06:16mean, I can't We can't You can't control
2:06:18what people think about you.
2:06:19>> Yeah. No. No. I know that. I know that.
2:06:22>> Are Are you saying you don't want me and
2:06:23him to feel like that about you?
2:06:24>> Yeah. I really don't.
2:06:26>> I mean, I I don't
2:06:29know. Cool.
2:06:31I just hope my parents don't feel the
2:06:34run.
2:06:34>> Have you talked to them about it?
2:06:36>> My mom? No. Nobody. But but like I said,
2:06:39I talked to my cousins and I said I told
2:06:41her and I felt bad and I was crying. I
2:06:44said, "But you got to understand. I was
2:06:46doing it for my right reasons."
2:06:47>> Okay, let's let's throw it out there
2:06:49real fast. We got some guys waiting to
2:06:50take us out there. Are you finished
2:06:51eating?
2:06:55>> You want to sit down and eat? That's
2:06:56fine.
2:06:56>> Just sit down and eat it real fast and
2:06:57then we'll run out there and do that.
2:07:00Get that out of the way.
2:07:04>> I'm going up there with y'all. Let's do
2:07:06this.
2:07:10>> I'm done.
2:07:10>> You done?
2:07:11>> So, we can do this. Okay.
2:07:16>> You finished
2:07:23hand.
2:07:25>> Yeah, you're fine.
2:07:27I'll just just wait on him. Yum.
2:07:33>> When I choked the gun
2:07:35that day.
2:07:38>> What's that?
2:07:39>> When I choke the gun, I don't know who
2:07:42has it now.
2:07:43>> [ __ ] fun, dude. We don't want anybody
2:07:44else to do it.
2:07:47>> I really hope it's still there.
2:07:53>> Want the pool?
2:07:54>> I don't even think it's there.
2:07:56>> Why do you Why don't you think it's
2:07:57there? Did you go back and look for it?
2:07:59>> No.
2:07:59>> Why don't you think it's there?
2:08:00>> Because it was noticeable. Like I said,
2:08:02it was right there by the bush. Anybody
2:08:04from can see it. Okay.
2:08:05>> Well, just show us.
2:08:06>> Probably got it.
2:08:06>> Only Only thing we can do is only thing
2:08:08we can do is you can show us where you
2:08:09got it. And that's we can make a strong
2:08:11effort to find it from there. If it's
2:08:13not there, it's not there. Does that
2:08:14make sense?
2:08:15>> Mhm.
2:08:16>> I just I want to do everything in my
2:08:19power to try to find it if we can cuz I
2:08:22don't want to get in the wrong hands.
2:08:23It's as simple as that.
2:08:25>> If I can't do it, I can't do it. I I
2:08:27understand. And where I threw the extra
2:08:32bullets, it's over there by Nita's house
2:08:34by the
2:08:36right across from the
2:08:38>> What do you mean the extra bullets?
2:08:40>> Extra bullets.
2:08:41>> A magazine.
2:08:42>> The bullets that were with it that were
2:08:45in the clip that they broke.
2:08:48>> They were right there by that trash can
2:08:50>> behind our house.
2:08:52>> No, it's like right there by the
2:08:53sunrise. Remember
2:08:56>> the apartment is right across the street
2:08:57from us.
2:08:58>> Okay. Can you show us that, too?
2:08:59>> Mhm.
2:09:05>> By the end of the investigation, the
2:09:06evidence and interviews outlined a clear
2:09:08picture of what happened inside the
2:09:10Avenue Q duplex. Detectives identified
2:09:13Ronaldo Enriquez as the primary
2:09:15attacker, the one who shot, stabbed, and
2:09:18beat Gabriel Lee Salazar before the
2:09:20others helped move and hide the
2:09:21aftermath. But he was not the only one
2:09:24held responsible. Jake Johnson admitted
2:09:26to helping load Salazar into a pickup
2:09:29and abandoning him behind the motel,
2:09:30later hiding bloodstained evidence. He
2:09:33ultimately received 10 years in prison
2:09:35for tampering with evidence. Geneva Le
2:09:38acknowledged cleaning blood from her
2:09:39home and attempting to conceal what had
2:09:41happened and she was sentenced to 20
2:09:43years in prison for tampering with a
2:09:45corpse. Demetrius Lights, already
2:09:47serving a federal term for unrelated
2:09:49charges, was identified as part of the
2:09:51group that transported the victim. The
2:09:53state dismissed its case against him
2:09:55because he was already serving a
2:09:57293month federal sentence. As for
2:10:00Enriquez, he pleaded guilty to murder in
2:10:032020 and received 25 years in prison.
2:10:06With those outcomes, the case reached
2:10:08its conclusion. Every known participant
2:10:11in Gabriel Salazar's final hours had
2:10:13been identified, charged, and held
2:10:16accountable under the law. If you found
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2:10:24work and allows us to continue covering
2:10:26important stories like this one. Thank
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