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0:00[Music]
0:00Victor Davis Hansen is one of the
0:02clearest thinkers I know Victor is an
0:05American classicist Military historian
0:08political commentator and farmer perhaps
0:11that's what makes him so brilliant he
0:13says cultural Marxism inside our major
0:15institutions and American weakness
0:17abroad has led to chaos around the world
0:20seeking clarity about the wars in
0:22Ukraine and Israel the collapse of
0:24America's borders and our universities
0:27Victor provides insight
0:30so I want to actually start by sharing
0:32something that I haven't had a chance to
0:34tell you yet and that is you know that
0:37as the CEO of Prager you I'm obviously
0:39on the front lines of much of the
0:41insanity that we're experiencing here in
0:43America for Better or For Worse it all
0:45comes to my desk somehow yes and you
0:48know you have been medicine for my brain
0:52well thank I listen to you religiously
0:54just to keep my cool and keep my calm
0:57and find common sense and I want to say
1:00that anybody who does not know about you
1:02yet if they are looking for medicine for
1:05their brain they should go ahead and
1:07look you up because um really I'm I'm a
1:11groupy I'm a groupy I read every single
1:13thing right I always like to hear that
1:15because I get a lot of the opposite I'm
1:18toxic I'm poisonous and I even have a
1:20column on our website called The Angry
1:22reader and I put them in and people
1:24can't believe them because they're just
1:26a slur of
1:27exotivs yeah so it's it's a very
1:31controversial time I never met anybody
1:34who was Jewish till I was 18 years old
1:36and until I went to UC sanac Cruz but I
1:38always my parents were Truman Democrats
1:42and they were big admirers of Israel so
1:44I remember when I was
1:4703 and it was during The Six Day War and
1:50the Fresno be had a map of Israel and
1:53they had little tank symbols and
1:55airplane symbols and there was Egypt I
1:57was interested in military history as a
1:59kid and there was Egypt Jordan Iraq
2:04Syria Lebanon and then there was Saudi
2:06in the gulf and they all had symbols for
2:08the number of planes and tanks and then
2:10there was little Israel so I'd say to my
2:12dad and mom looks like little Israel is
2:14going to be destroyed because you know
2:16the they have this I even knew the names
2:18of the migs and my mom and no no no no
2:20no it's not the equipment Victor it's
2:23the people who operate the equipment
2:25Israel will win I said they can't win
2:27they're outnumbered and they said they
2:29will win in week and it was six days and
2:31my dad and mom said that they were big
2:33supporters of Israel oh
2:35wow I want to ask you a little bit about
2:38America yes CU you know I was born here
2:41in the states and I have just seen a
2:44deterioration that frankly really freaks
2:47me out uh you know I don't feel like I
2:50can trust the major institutions the
2:53education system has failed us the media
2:56fails us the judicial system is a
3:01failure the medical system is a failure
3:06do you think I can still say honestly
3:09that America is a city on the hill can
3:11you say that uh it depends on what
3:14America means if you mean the totality
3:17of the institutions of population no but
3:21what the left has done because I think a
3:23lot of the common denominator what
3:24you're talking about is an deductive
3:27leftist agenda so Hollywood
3:32television professional sports the
3:34corporate boardroom media Silicon Valley
3:37foundations K through2 the campus it's
3:39all controlled by the left and they've
3:41done that I think because they don't
3:43have a popular agenda by that I mean if
3:45you look at what people pull on their
3:48open border or defunding the police or
3:52the green New Deal whatever aspect of
3:54this 360 degree they don't have
3:5851% they're able to enact policies
4:01because they went through the
4:02institutions and captured them so they
4:04have an exaggerated form of power in
4:07certain places to get things done on
4:09certain issues but when you actually
4:12that agenda comes back to the American
4:14people usually although not at the
4:16national level anymore with presidential
4:18elections the Republicans have lost six
4:20out of the last seven popular votes but
4:24state by state the American people on
4:26most of those issues 55 to 60%
4:30are traditional Americans and that's
4:33kind of amazing because the institutions
4:35for the first time are not in their
4:37hands and they're antithetical to the
4:39outage American so I still have some
4:42faith in the system it hasn't been
4:45completely destroyed but I don't know if
4:46I can say that to you if we were to have
4:48this conversation in 10 years five years
4:52it's accelerating that's why it's very
4:54important for everybody to speak up as
4:56much as they can according to their
4:57station how do you think we got to this
5:00point where American institutions don't
5:03actually share the values of actual
5:06Americans long term when you look at
5:10civilizations like Rome or
5:12Greece and
5:15Byzantium and you you look at people who
5:18talked about it whether poets catelas
5:22novelists um petronus or in the Greek
5:26context Plato Aristotle Theus they all
5:28had a common denominator and that is the
5:30greatest challenge to a society is
5:33Leisure and affluence and that was a
5:36combination of a unique Western
5:38symbiosis between constitutional
5:40government which is the best and only
5:43effective form but it gives a person a
5:45great deal of prosperity and freedom and
5:49combine that with a type of market
5:51economics that produces capital and
5:53excess so then it we the citizen then
5:57must rely on his family
6:00religion uh shame
6:03ancestors sense of tradition nationalism
6:06patriotism anything that represses those
6:09appetites because if you get rid of
6:11those blinders so to speak and we have
6:15then these kids are growing up where
6:19they think a $1,100 cell phone is
6:21obsolete in a year they want a new one
6:23or I I live in a very poor um Community
6:27where the per capita income is about
6:2816,000
6:3095% Hispanic and I was getting my
6:32haircut and two parents were trying to
6:35debate whether they were going to buy on
6:38credit a Lexus or Mercedes for their
6:41daughter's 16th birthday wow and I
6:43thought just 20 years ago that would
6:45been impossible so I think we for we
6:48forget how much Bounty and excess and
6:51freedom there is and so we're always
6:53airing on do not judge do not make a
6:57judgment do not offend some somebody's
6:59fre and the totality of that movement
7:01has been we have complete
7:04license and that that's true of all
7:06civilizations but then the left has
7:09changed because it did something that
7:11was fundamentally uh important I don't
7:14think most people realize they used to
7:16have this word race class and gender
7:18that was their gend if you notice they
7:19never they they got rid of the class and
7:22they got rid of the class
7:24because America was too upwardly mobile
7:27or fluid you and I could be in a
7:30particular class but we could either not
7:31be in that class or our children are not
7:33given the birth right so they never had
7:35a permanent European peasantry they
7:38started to gravitate with open
7:41borders and the traditional black white
7:44dichotomy but especially now with
7:46Hispanic and they said we have a new
7:48victim and the Dei woke fir whatever you
7:52want to call it says anybody who is not
7:54so-called white is fits into the
7:57cultural Marxist paradigm victim
8:00victimizer oppressed oppress
8:03oppressor and that was very successful
8:07because it was it flew in the face of
8:10all traditional criteria of Oppression
8:12so all of a
8:14sudden Professor kendi is a victim Opa
8:18is a victim Opa says she went into a
8:20Swiss uh store and somebody didn't give
8:22her a lizard person she's suddenly a
8:24victim LeBron James is a victim Michelle
8:28Obama was at Target and she lifted up uh
8:31tried to get a package that somebody
8:33requested she's a victim and and so what
8:35they did was they bifurcated the United
8:37States into 67% or whatever they call of
8:41oppressors and the rest 33% of oppress
8:46and then they made this colonialist or
8:49anti-colonialist argument and you have
8:52what you
8:54have uh because of your race and
8:56privilege and oppression it's anti pacle
8:59they and you say to him okay there's a
9:01guy in Bakersfield he can't get he's
9:03never gone to high school his son's on a
9:05fork Clift they have no privilege at all
9:08he can't you tell me well he's white
9:12he's white and so that was a really
9:14pernicious and that came in really with
9:16Barack Obama there was a word we was not
9:19in wide currency diversity and suddenly
9:22he took that word and that was diversity
9:24diversity all of a sudden I I thought I
9:26was teaching and I would go and I heard
9:29there were people that I had known my
9:31entire lives in my community and at Cal
9:34State or
9:35Stanford and they were from India and
9:38they were siks and they came with
9:39enormous amounts of money I knew people
9:42from Korea that came and all of a sudden
9:43they were telling me they were victims
9:46yeah I didn't know Victor that that uh
9:50this place was so racist I said well can
9:52you show me what happened you you owned
9:545,000 Acres you're a multi-millionaire
9:57well I don't but my daughter came home
9:59home and told and that was that's where
10:01we are now we're cultural Marxism that
10:04bifurcated there's no middle class we
10:06say and everybody is trying to find a
10:11gimmick or a lever so when you reward
10:13that then everybody comes out of little
10:15woodwork whether it's um Elizabeth
10:19Warren trying to create an identity of a
10:21victim or I just saw the other day Buffy
10:24St Marie a folk singer that I always
10:26thought was Native American we find out
10:28she wasn't she's a
10:29Italian and it's this fixation in our
10:33society on race and it permeates
10:35everything FAA is we're only hiring 50%
10:39of our new air traffic controllers on
10:41Merit uh United Airlines so we've really
10:46kind of in a hysteria it's like the S
10:47them witch trials in the McCarthy period
10:49where people have lost their sense of of
10:52tradition or empiricism they're they're
10:55just deductive hysterics and it's I do I
10:58know this is a little eccentric but I do
11:00blame Barack Obama because he ushered
11:02that in almost immediately my
11:04grandmother was racist well his
11:06grandmother raised him and gave all of
11:08her money to presend him to prep school
11:10he went to Accidental he's a victim and
11:13then LeBron uh Trayvon is a son I never
11:16had I thought to myself as soon as you
11:18said that my son would have looked like
11:20Trevon Martin I said what if Bill
11:22Clinton right in the middle of the OJ
11:23trial said that my daughter if I'd had a
11:27daughter another daughter she would have
11:28looked like OJ's vict you it would be
11:31Unthinkable so the unthinkable became
11:33normalized and now we're into this cycle
11:36where race race race is essential and
11:38not incidental to who we are and that
11:41has a lot of ramifications especially
11:43with the Israeli Palestinian question
11:45you know it started with what you're
11:47describing this victim Bingo which is
11:50that Marxist ideology and now I feel
11:52like it's progressing into the other
11:54subject that you brought up which is the
11:56decolonization yes right anything that
11:58has to do with with anybody who is
12:00potentially somewhat white is a
12:02colonizer and therefore they have stolen
12:04the land from the indigenous people um
12:07I'm hearing this about this is what's
12:09being taught in American schools about
12:11America but I'm curious if you're as
12:15concerned as I am about this Narrative
12:17of
12:17decolonization I keep asking people tell
12:20me which country you're willing to move
12:22to that has not been colonized cuz I'd
12:25like to see that and what does that even
12:27mean I was in the uh food store and a
12:33woman said we are
12:36Aztecs and she was Hispanic young and
12:38she had dyed blonde hair so I was
12:40kidding her she was very nice I said
12:42you're culturally appropriating my
12:44Scandinavian
12:45ancestors and then she said well we were
12:48oppressed we were Aztecs and we were
12:50colonized by the Spanish and then they
12:53destroyed our identity and I said well I
12:55have to ask you a question cuz I've
12:57written extensively I told on the Aztecs
13:00so 4 million Aztecs are colonized by
13:04Hernan Cortez who had won any given
13:07moment never had more than 1500 people
13:09how'd he do it I said even with gunpow
13:12he couldn't do it so I said he did it
13:15because the Aztecs were the most
13:17despised people in indigenous Mexico and
13:19the pla Callin for example died in Rose
13:22to free themselves from the Aztec
13:25Colonial
13:26oppressors and our Cortez was an
13:29opportunist that just said we'll get rid
13:31of one colonial's power and we'll
13:33substitute ourselves and then she got on
13:36the Middle East that's another thing
13:38it's very strange that the BLM movement
13:40the laraza movement have sort of fused
13:43in with the Palestinian for the reasons
13:45we're talking about so I she said well
13:48you have to admit there's colonization I
13:50said no I don't have to admit she said
13:52the Jews have colonized Israel and I
13:54said they've been here since 3,000 years
13:56before Christ and before and then I said
13:59the British did she saides the British
14:01did I said but the British only did
14:03because they won World War I and the
14:04Ottomans lost so the ottoman Colony
14:07ended up in British hands she said the
14:09Ottomans who are they and I said well
14:11they ran it for 400 years so you know
14:15and you talk to people on campus and
14:18you'll see somebody from the Middle East
14:19who say you know Spain used to be Arabic
14:23and I said yes they tried to colonize it
14:26North Africa but they're not indigenous
14:28to to Spain El andalo is a is an import
14:33so a lot of it's ignorance they just
14:36have these cardboard cutout and it's
14:38really if you think about it
14:41decolonization colonization it's just
14:43words for white or nonwhite and when
14:46they hear that a colonizing power is
14:49non-white they drop
14:51everything that's the biggest problem
14:52we're having right now and it really
14:54affects Israel especially when we use
14:57these words and they're kind of
14:59keystones when everybody wants to know
15:01whether people don't like Israel because
15:03they're anti-semitic or
15:05not it's hard to adjudicate what their
15:08actual motive is sometimes but you can
15:10really find out when you ask them terms
15:13they use and to why they don't apply it
15:16so if you say
15:18apartheid and you say if you're in China
15:22and you don't look Chinese you're a
15:23second class citizen I said if you're
15:26Jewish and you were in the Middle East
15:28900,000 of them you were second class
15:31citizens or was that apartheid they
15:33don't want to you say
15:36occupation why aren't you objecting to
15:38the cypriots that are under occupation
15:41in Northern
15:42Cyprus to the degree they're still there
15:45and they're they're not ref and I go
15:46with the
15:47refugees genocide are you worried about
15:49the Armenians how about and they say
15:51well that was ancient I don't know
15:52anything about that well how about deor
15:53they killed
15:55500,000 and they don't have an answer so
15:58then I said why is it tiny little Israel
16:01you have all this genocide you have all
16:04of this aparte you have all these
16:07refugees you have all these occupations
16:09of world war but you only focus on this
16:11one
16:12particular and they have no answer what
16:15do you think the answer is to that if I
16:17was charitable to them I would say well
16:20maybe it's because 40% of the world's
16:22oil reserves are in the Middle East
16:24under Arab control maybe people have no
16:29morality they're just amoral and they
16:30look at Israel and they say
16:32well you know 10 million Jews
16:36and 500 million Arabs or they can say
16:41worldwide 16 million of the Jewish faith
16:44and two billion Islam so it's a
16:46no-brainer I'm going to go with the the
16:48bully the big
16:49power but that still doesn't
16:53explain because the same asymmetry
16:56applies to all the victims of Islam
16:59whether it's Armenians or cypriotes or
17:02Greeks or Israel so you have to say to
17:04yourself well you're not talking about
17:06what the Ottomans did to Greeks or the
17:09Armenian Holocaust why do you just
17:11fixate on what Israel Israel Israel
17:14Israel and so I do think it's
17:16anti-Semitism and it's acceptable the
17:19problem with it now is when it was on
17:21the right it was easily identifiable the
17:24people were crude I never met anybody
17:26who was Jewish as I said to I was 18 but
17:28I heard about it and there were always
17:31some disgruntled farmer and he said you
17:33know I got $3 on my plums cuz they sent
17:36it back there to the east coast and the
17:38Jews just took all the money but it was
17:41very crude the way they talked well at
17:43Stanford or where I work or other it's
17:46very refined and it comes from the left
17:49and it's always cloaked in the idea of
17:51equality and diversity and compassion
17:54for the victim and therefore it's much
17:57more Insidious and they can give get
17:58away with it especially with
18:00the race you know critical race Theory
18:03says that people who are not white
18:05cannot be racist so it's it's much
18:09harder to stop than the old in-your-face
18:11Clan National Socialist
18:14anti-Semitism do you think it's an
18:16exaggeration when people say that being
18:20anti-israel means being an
18:24anti-semite no because when you say to
18:27people that make that distinction so
18:31you're
18:32anti-israel and they say yes but I'm not
18:36anti-emetic so I said you don't like the
18:3921% Arabs that are in Israel they'll say
18:42I don't well either don't know that or
18:46they'll say they're an apartheid and
18:47they say no they have they vote they
18:49have political parties they have more
18:50Prosperity Freedom security than the AR
18:52Arab and they'll say really there's 21
18:55or if they do know that they said' no
18:57that's an exception so when that tells
18:59me
19:00that they're
19:03anti-israel in the sense that when they
19:06they're anti 79% of the population of
19:09Israel but if you ask them River to the
19:12Sea and you want to destroy Israel what
19:15will you do with the 21% that are Arabs
19:18and you know what they're going to say
19:19they say well we're going to take them
19:20and and they they'll be the kernel of
19:22the new Palestinian state so yes it is
19:25the same and it's easy detectable with
19:27three or four questions H and once they
19:30admit it and get trapped they just say
19:32it they just say it so you think the
19:35anti-israel that hatred is either
19:38anti-semitic or
19:41ignorance my general feeling is the more
19:44education that a person has the more
19:46anti-semitic they are wow and so I think
19:49it's it's not ignorance
19:53it's when you meet people who don't know
19:56whe whether a person's Jewish or not or
19:59they tell them they're Jewish or they're
20:00working in their they're not
20:02anti-semitic not anymore maybe 50 60
20:05years ago to a certain degree on the
20:08conservative side
20:09but I encounter anti-Semitism in the
20:13refined and usually I my general will if
20:15it's a student it's more than a
20:17non-student if it's a bachelor's degree
20:18it's more than not when I get it to ma
20:21or PhD then it gets and they think
20:23they're they know something yeah they
20:26know the real Colonial story or they
20:28know that the in they have all these
20:30theories and stuff and they're very
20:32influential cuz uh if you were to take a
20:35survey of Hollywood stars or
20:39professors there tend to
20:41be very anti-semitic I think
20:45anti-israel yeah I mean we're seeing
20:47this on campus right you see these
20:50pramas protests I mean Hamas is
20:54obviously a terrorist organization but
20:58campuses like the one that you spend a
21:00lot of time on Stanford are really
21:03supporting and celebrating the violence
21:06of of a terrorist group like Hamas and
21:09and i' would say the older the
21:11generation the more pro-israel they seem
21:13to be or I would say anti-terrorism but
21:16the younger the generation the more Pro
21:18terrorism they are they are and that's
21:20because they're products of this new
21:22University and school it's not the
21:24university alone it's K through 12 but
21:27the funny thing is it's not funny I'm
21:28trying to laugh at tragedy I laugh but
21:32not get too upset about it so on October
21:367 the only news people had at Stanford
21:38were that somewhere between 1500 and
21:422,000 gunmen came in and did
21:44unimaginable things that we' never
21:46really heard in the modern
21:49world and then they there were per
21:51perhaps maybe 500 Tagalongs these were
21:54just GS and and somebody said they're
21:56killing raping mutilating Jews and they
21:58said let me get in on it and they
22:01followed and the IDF hadn't done one
22:03thing yet so what was the re what was
22:05the reaction on the campuses the IDF was
22:08trying to find out what was happening
22:10and then they were said they were going
22:11to but they hadn't done anything for
22:13four days well it didn't matter all they
22:16had was they killed Jews not that Israel
22:20was going into Gaza because they hadn't
22:22and they were they were Pro hamont and
22:24they're only from what I could tell they
22:28only disappointment was they didn't kill
22:29enough Jews if they killed 5,000 the
22:33protest would be the supporting protest
22:35would be even bigger and it took I don't
22:39think college pres should weigh in on I
22:41their colle colleges are in such a mess
22:42they shouldn't they have no business
22:44weighing in on anything but where I work
22:47in the ivy league as well or most
22:48colleges if there's a trans issue if
22:51there's
22:52a green New Deal they weigh in and it
22:55took it stand for four days before the
22:58president could say one thing about this
23:01and he was under a lot of pressure on
23:03both sides but he couldn't even say we
23:05condemn wholeheartedly what happened and
23:08so that was a tip off that window uh
23:12between the actual murdering and the
23:15Israeli effort to stop more murdering
23:18which they said was an overreaction or
23:20disproportionate but in that time frame
23:22it hadn't existed so it was just a
23:24simple question do you object to the
23:26murder and the desecration of bodies in
23:30Israel yes or no and they either say no
23:34or they'd say context contact that was
23:36the word they use so yeah it's pretty
23:39clear what do you think should be done
23:42with students on campus that are I guess
23:47vocally supporting Hamas or yelling you
23:50know from The River To The Sea I mean
23:53well we had at UCLA as we speak I think
23:55yesterday they had a pinata with who and
23:59it wasn't that they were angry at nety
24:01who was a political figure it was that
24:03he was the representation of
24:05Israel so they were yelling hit the Jew
24:08or beat the
24:10Jew so to answer your question
24:12specifically it depends I think on the
24:14legal status if you have people who are
24:18guest in the United States and they are
24:20on a student visa or they're working on
24:22a green card and they do things like
24:27occupy the booken bridge or pour paint
24:31on the white wall of the White House and
24:34their violation of our laws or they're
24:37actively aiding a known terrorist
24:40organization then they should not be
24:42here and it doesn't mean that we're
24:44deporting them we just say you asked to
24:47come over to our country and be a guest
24:49and we gave you a temporary legal
24:52document and now we don't want to do it
24:53anymore and if they say why we just say
24:56I don't have to tell you why you abused
24:58your privileges as a guest so go home
25:00and then we might want to add insult to
25:03injury if that's how they look at it by
25:04saying you are in the United States and
25:07you fled
25:08apparently Jordan or Egypt or Syria or
25:12Gaza or the West Bank because you didn't
25:14like ocracy and misogyny and sexual
25:17apartheid or whatever it was you didn't
25:19lack of freedom of expression so you
25:21come over to this country and what do
25:23you do from a safe distance you cheer on
25:26that paradigm against the only
25:29constitutional system in the so we don't
25:31want you to come it gets a little bit
25:33hairier or more difficult when they're
25:35US
25:36citizens and therefore we just have to
25:39apply the same standards that we did
25:41let's say for January 6th so take
25:45Rashida
25:46t on shortly after the October
25:507th they go into the capital wunda that
25:54was where we said that January 6 people
25:56committed felonies and they occupied it
25:58and that's not open to the public there
26:00were people who went through a broken
26:02window on January 6 that were shot and
26:05killed Ashley babbit for the
26:08misdemeanor so those people broke the
26:10law they should have all been arrested
26:12and then we said if you disrupt a
26:15congressional and there was an argument
26:18that when they went in January 6 they
26:19were discussing the election some
26:21congressional committees but there was
26:23no argument that these pal pramas
26:26demonstrators broke up Congressional
26:28hearings and then we said that Donald
26:30Trump should have in the special Council
26:34prerogative and according to the January
26:366 committee he had said go over to the
26:38capital and demonstrate although he did
26:40say demonstrate
26:42peaceably Rida Talib did not she egged
26:46River to the Sea and she was
26:47promulgating a known lie about the
26:51Islamic Jihad rocket that hit the
26:54parking lot and she said it was an IDF
26:56that hit the hospital she knew that was
26:57was false so she should be subject to
27:01whatever Donald Trump is or not and
27:04centure I don't think was enough if
27:06she's out inciting a riot inside the
27:09capital to disrupt Federal Business
27:11she's culpable so I think everybody's
27:14everybody says TOS this Administration
27:16is so weaponized the doj the FBI the CIA
27:20that and it's so asymmetrical that all
27:22we want is parody just treat the the pro
27:27Palestinian protesters the way you do
27:30other people not the May 2020 BLM antifa
27:34people which you gave a complete pass to
27:36but just from now on just do it if you
27:39just acted decisively and fairly and you
27:42just said we had 10 Palestinian students
27:46on student visas and they were
27:48disrupting a class or they were uh
27:51defacing a statue or they were you know
27:55yelling support of a terrorist and we
27:58just choose they didn't break any law
27:59maybe they did maybe they not but we we
28:01feel that we don't want to renew their
28:03their visa I think that would send a
28:05powerful message where is this double
28:08standard coming from I mean the FBI
28:10would need to get involved right I mean
28:12that's how they came after the January 6
28:14people it's it's sort of like the
28:17earlier point that our institutions are
28:20controlled by the left and they were
28:23very clever in creating a culture in
28:25Washington that there were reward
28:28culture rewards so if you were
28:30considered leftwing you were liberal in
28:33the FBI the Pentagon the
28:36doj and there was a there was a social
28:39cache that say you work for Obama or you
28:41work for Bill Clinton in a way that was
28:44not true of George W bush or Donald
28:46Trump so they created a kind of a magnet
28:51that brought a lot of people to want to
28:53work in the doj as part of a social
28:56agenda or the FBI the hierarchy and the
28:59idea was you know now it's diversity
29:02Equity inclusion and what's the result
29:04it's it's Mark Millie the chairman of
29:06the joint Chief testifying to Congress
29:08you should read we should read Professor
29:10Kendy and I wanted to explore white rage
29:12I want to explore white privilege and
29:15somebody said will you define it he
29:17couldn't could you tell
29:19us how white rage is destroying the AR
29:22he
29:23couldn't and it was very funny when I
29:26was listening to that I thought so you
29:28keep numbers on everything in the
29:30military Mr Millie and you're going to
29:31do it by race we're going to make sure
29:33that this this many majors or white or
29:36non-white but if you look at the data at
29:39Afghanistan and Iraq 76% of the Dead
29:42were white males who gravitate to combat
29:44units does anybody in the Pentagon say
29:47we have a problem we have an inordinate
29:49amount of white males and they go into
29:51combat and they diet twice their
29:53demographics in the general population
29:55no but what happens with when you take
29:57that rubric and you insult them and you
30:00don't promote them on the basis of woke
30:03criteria then they don't join and we're
30:0650,000 soldiers short you talk to people
30:08in the Pentagon or generals they they'll
30:10say oh Victor it's because of obesity
30:12it's because we have gangs it's because
30:14we have drugs we've always had that what
30:17caused this huge drop off same thing
30:20when you look at the public approval of
30:22Pentagon it's gone from about 76 down to
30:2545 you look at the public approval the
30:27FBI it's down Robert Mueller can't under
30:32oath can't remember the steel dossier
30:34doesn't know what Fusion GPS that's what
30:36appointed him then you go to James Comey
30:39I can't remember 245 times under oath
30:42then you go to his successor the third
30:44in line uh third straight director
30:47Andrew mccab lies four times to a
30:49federal and then we go to Christopher
30:51Ray so there's an that Elite in
30:55Washington that runs these bureaucracies
30:57feel that professionally it is beho
31:01because I don't think they have much of
31:03a true ideology they're just careerist
31:05but it it' be Mark Millie knows that if
31:09he announces his disgust with white rage
31:13two things are going to happen when he
31:14goes out and he's out now he will get a
31:16huge contract as a lobbyist or a defense
31:20for General Dynamics Loy northr
31:22something and more importantly the
31:25people who used to be the Watchdogs in
31:26the left that lectured us on the
31:28revolving door Elizabeth Warren they
31:31won't say a word and everybody makes the
31:33necessary adjustments so they've created
31:35a culture where careerists look at it
31:38and say you know what if I make an
31:41ontour remark and I'm on the left I get
31:44insurance if I retire I can get a job at
31:47Apple or Google or a defense contractor
31:51and then and they're just they just do
31:53it and the Republicans are sort
31:55of Clueless they don't understand the
31:58culture at all and they've let it happen
32:00you describe the Pentagon the situation
32:04with the US military this kind of victim
32:07Bingo environment are our
32:10adversaries watching America and taking
32:12advantage of it do you think this is why
32:15we're experiencing what we're
32:17experiencing around the world yes if you
32:20look at a textbook on international
32:21relations 20 years ago they always use
32:23this word interconnectiveness so what
32:26happens when Dean aeson says in 1950 so
32:30this is America's security umbrella and
32:33he forgets to put South Korea in then
32:35the north invades South Korea when April
32:39glaspie in 1990 is out is meets Saddam
32:42Hussein and he starts rambling she says
32:45well you know Saddam we don't have an
32:47interest in the territorial disputes
32:49among Arab Nations then he evades
32:52Kuwait whether that's absolutely true or
32:55not I don't know but that's the theory
32:57so when you come in with this
33:00Administration and the first thing you
33:02do is say the houis are not terrorist
33:05anymore and we're going to restore 700
33:08million to the Palestinians of which 100
33:10million we know will go to Hamas and we
33:12want to bring out Robert Mali back who
33:14was under Obama the Hamas advisor
33:17disastrous tenure and we're going to put
33:19him in charge of this crazy Iran
33:22deal and then in addition to that we're
33:25going to lift oil sanctions and give
33:27Iran $50 billion and wherewithal it's
33:30going to be translated into Hezbollah
33:33rockets and then in addition to that
33:35you're going to adopt the reopt the
33:38Obama Shia Crescent theory that you're
33:41going to get Tran and Damascus and
33:44Beirut and Hamas and you're this is
33:47going to be a crescent to the
33:49Mediterranean then you tell the Israelis
33:51and maybe the
33:52jordanians be careful because we have
33:55these people and then you tell these
33:56people be careful cuz we have and you
33:58kind of make creative tension they
33:59called it it was crazy you make Israel
34:02the moral equivalent of Iran when you do
34:05all that and then you superimpose that
34:08Paradigm on
34:11fleeing Afghanistan the problem with
34:13fleeing Afghanistan wasn't just that we
34:15left a billion doll Embassy $300 million
34:19Airbase had been refitted 50 billion in
34:21equipment we did all of that after 20
34:25years of investment and we had a pride
34:28flag flying from the embassy a gender
34:31studies program at Kabul and we had a
34:33George Floyd girl and I'm thinking at
34:36least the British when they got rid of
34:38su in India they were tough and people
34:40got they were afraid of them but we were
34:43weak and arrogant at the same time and
34:45when you Vladimir Putin looked at that
34:49and he masked troops and they asked Joe
34:51Biden what are you going to do he said
34:52depends on whether it's a major or minor
34:55event and then we had the Chinese
34:57balloon so people in the Middle East and
34:59Gaza they looked at this and they
35:01said doesn't mean they didn't Mass
35:03calculate we don't know whether they did
35:05or not it depends on how it turns out
35:07but they said H Afghanistan the Taliban
35:10ran them out
35:12and Putin just said screw you I'm going
35:15to invade Ukraine and the chines sent a
35:17balloon over to take pictures of their
35:19base with impunity and they tried to
35:20come up with every excuse they could not
35:22to shoot it
35:23down and then they're afraid of this
35:27they give Iran the money back they give
35:29us money and then you superimpose that
35:32even in Israel I I've been to Israel a
35:34lot but the last two years I was very
35:36disturbed because you'd talk to Israelis
35:38and they'd say we've never been
35:40wealthier we've never been more Leisure
35:42it's and they were true and then they
35:44say we have Gaza workers coming in and
35:47they're getting acculturated well
35:49actually we know now they were taking
35:50pictures and making maps of how to kill
35:53Jews and then you know we have the aams
35:56accord or coming back and there was a
35:58sense of we're so tired of these people
36:01hating us that finally we've been so
36:04successful that they're looking at us
36:06and they want to be like us I'm thinking
36:08no they want to kill you because they're
36:10envious and jealous that they haven't
36:12done the same thing so we lost DET turns
36:16is what I'm trying to explain and the
36:18Hamas figured they could get away with
36:21it and Iran figures they can get away
36:23with it in Hezbollah and it's deterrence
36:25is very hard to create and it's very
36:27easy to
36:29abandon we have none now I know that you
36:33know both of us are Americans we have
36:35our families here we were talking about
36:36your daughter uh my children America
36:40First what does that mean and how does
36:43that work with this idea of isolation
36:46you're hearing that movement of you know
36:48focus on what America needs don't worry
36:51about Ukraine don't worry about Israel
36:53we need to spend our money on our own
36:56country
36:57what do you think about that well I
37:00think it's a misused term by both the
37:02supporters so we
37:04have one extreme of the
37:07isolationist and they don't want to get
37:09involved with NATO they don't want to
37:11get involved with foreign a okay and
37:13then we have the
37:15interventionists sometimes neoc whatever
37:17term you want to
37:19use and in the middle I think after the
37:23Trump presidency the Republican Party
37:27tried to balance those and they said
37:30we're going to be Jacksonian Andre
37:32Jackson no better friend no worst enemy
37:36don't tread on me so are we going to
37:39dismantle the 600 bases not really are
37:43we going to get out of NATO but we're
37:44going to scream at NATO and Trump went
37:46crazy and crude and crass and said you
37:48better do this and they did they copped
37:49up aund billion dollars extra in defense
37:53do we Supply Ukraine yes do we still
37:55Supply Israel yes did we take out
37:58Soloman yes did we bomb that was all
38:01during people who said America First and
38:03that the left keep saying they're
38:05isolationist I'm saying if they're so
38:07isolationist would you have killed Sol
38:08Soloman no would you have bombed the
38:11crap out of Isis
38:13no and so would uh Donald Trump have
38:17fled Afghanistan no he would have kept
38:19bamer first base with 4,000 soldiers so
38:23I think what given every time we've had
38:26an optional war in the Middle East it
38:29hasn't turned out too well I don't know
38:31about the verdict of Iraq yet but
38:32Afghanistan turned out to be a disaster
38:35bombing Libya was a disaster I don't
38:37know what we're doing in Syria but as
38:41far as Ukraine goes I think everybody
38:43wanted to give them the ability to
38:45defend themselves but then something
38:49happened the agenda transmogrified into
38:53we're going to get Crimea and donbass
38:56back back it's not just we're going to
38:57push Putin back to where he was on
39:00February 24th of
39:032022 now we're going to give what Obama
39:06gave them Obama was President they took
39:09Crimea and dbas but the problem with
39:11this is Obama never said after 2014 it
39:15is the policy of this Administration to
39:16get Ukraine to get back Crimea and we're
39:19going to get Donald Trump as president
39:21for four years he never said we're going
39:23to give CLA back and don't Joe Biden was
39:26President he never said that that now
39:28the war is there and the agenda has
39:30expanded and the problem with the
39:32expansion
39:34is Ukraine has one quarter of the
39:37population of Russia it's got one 10% of
39:40the area and it's got excuse me 130th of
39:43the area 10% of the
39:45GDP and all of us who looked at that
39:49said I think if we give them as many
39:52weapons as we can to defend themselves
39:54maybe they can push Putin back to where
39:57he was in
39:58February and then we can negotiate maybe
40:01we can prom we can arm them to the teeth
40:03we and maybe they can have a plebis side
40:06but they're not going to get back Crimea
40:08and donbas it's just too much history
40:11and they don't have the wherewithal and
40:12everybody said you're an isolation for
40:14saying that
40:17but I wrote during the spring and summer
40:19I didn't see how they were going to
40:21break through this huge marinal line of
40:24Russian defenses given
40:27a quarter of the country of Ukraine is
40:29out it's a very mysterious thing now
40:32because I really support zinski
40:35defending himself I think we should give
40:36him the weapons to defend himself but
40:39for him to get every Russian out of pre9
40:44pre
40:4520104 he's going to do things that you
40:49can't allow he's going to try to sink
40:51the btic fleet traditional strategic
40:53logic says you should hit the fuel dump
40:56dumps in Russia he sent a couple of
40:59drone attacks against the
41:01Kremlin they have 6,500 nuclear weapons
41:05and that's that's not going to happen so
41:08and then you look at the Manpower and we
41:11had a conference at the Hoover
41:12institution I shared in March and a lot
41:14of people from Ukraine were experts they
41:17were saying you can give them all the
41:19weapons you want they don't have the
41:20Manpower because there's been 600,000
41:24dead wounded this was in lch
41:26and missing and somebody piped up and
41:29saides but they're killing two Russians
41:31for every one and he said exactly when
41:33you have four times the population
41:35that's Putin's logic to bleed them dry
41:39so I don't know what the what the
41:41solution there is I don't I don't think
41:43it's it's kind of like Verdon or
41:45Stalingrad it just keeps going and it's
41:48it's destroying lives and it has to be
41:50some settlement that doesn't reward
41:51Putin too much do you think that America
41:55and the West has violated the NATO
41:58agreements by getting involved I don't
42:01know if they did
42:03legally that is with the breakup of the
42:05Soviet Union there were uh side
42:08agreements or side assurances
42:11that Ukraine would not be part of
42:14NATO and in exchange for certain
42:18concessions then Ukraine gave up its
42:20nuclear weapons that the Soviets had put
42:22in
42:23it and there was a sense that the donbas
42:27and Crimea were 70% Russians speaking
42:32and we forget that with the breakup of
42:34the Soviet Union from 91 to 95 or 94
42:40Crimea was an independent country it
42:42wasn't Soviet Russian excuse me and it
42:44wasn't UK Ukraine took it first before
42:47Russia took it from Ukraine Ukraine took
42:49it from Crimea from itself so it's a
42:53very complicated history and Americans
42:56don't realize that the whole western
42:58part of Ukraine maybe a third of it was
43:01polish for a thousand years it was Roman
43:04Catholic polish Joseph Stalin with
43:07Hitler invaded September 2nd verse 2nd
43:11of the Germans in 1939 Stalin came in
43:14three weeks later they took that and
43:16they gave it to Ukraine and then after
43:18the war we said would you please give
43:20back now that we won give back to the
43:23Polish people and Stalin said no Ukraine
43:26is part of the Soviet Union if Poland
43:29wants some territory take it from the
43:30Germans so they took Prussia from them
43:34so that whole area has
43:37a Byzantine mosaic and Americans are
43:41just not
43:43equipped geographically intellectually
43:45historically to come in and say we're
43:48going to give Mr zalinski and the
43:52ukrainians and we're going to allow them
43:53to fight and bleed white so they can get
43:55back these two disputed areas it's it's
43:58not the other thing that bothers me
44:00about
44:01Ukraine is I look at what we're saying
44:04about
44:05Israel
44:06so Israel is supposed to be
44:09proportionate do we ever say to Ukraine
44:12now listen Mr zalinski we've given you
44:14himars we've given you Abrams we've
44:16given you we're going to give you f-15s
44:18we've given you Jalin but we want you to
44:21respond to each Russian attack with a
44:24commiserate response and then we say to
44:27them we're kind of worried because
44:28you've killed two Russians for every
44:30Ukrainian that's dispropor no and we
44:33don't say to Mr zalinski you know you
44:36hit a bridge in Crimea and you hit a big
44:39Highway in the dome bass did you notify
44:41the civilians around there did you drop
44:43leaflets did you text their phones no
44:46and then we said or to turn it the other
44:49way what if Joe Biden said to Netanyahu
44:54BB if you wanted to declare martial law
44:57and suspend election that's fine with us
44:59you might have to do it that would be
45:01Unthinkable that's what we did with
45:03zalinski he he hasn't had election and
45:05he enacted martial law so we have this
45:08disproportionate attitude that all these
45:11people on the left are saying be
45:12disproportionate arm them to the teeth
45:14kill as many damn Russians you can don't
45:17worry when they kill civilians you you
45:19reply but not with
45:22Israel so I don't know why that is I
45:25think he it's interesting that you bring
45:27up the the Israel and Ukraine bucket
45:31that has been created I find that
45:33incredibly confusing because like you
45:35say on the one hand they want it to be
45:36within the same bucket and by the way
45:38both the left and the right seems to be
45:40doing it like putting them in the same
45:41bucket um it's obviously different
45:43regions but maybe it's the timing and
45:46how do you explain that and how can you
45:49just you being the medicine for the mind
45:51that I think that you are can you just
45:53help me unentangled this myth that it's
45:56in the same bucket should it be in the
45:58same bucket Israel and Ukraine no more
46:00than South Korea Aid or NATO Aid and the
46:04reason is that the supporters of the war
46:07of the unlimited blank
46:10check understand now that what they told
46:13us and what people warned them about is
46:15not going to happen in other words that
46:19was such a courageous defense of
46:22Kiev that they translated that into a
46:27fluid war of maneuver and momentum and
46:30they were going to go right and be armed
46:32and onto Moscow almost and expel the
46:34Russians and people tried to say to them
46:37the disparity not only in equipment but
46:41historically if you look
46:43at the
46:451905 uh Japanese Russian war if you look
46:48at the 1922 invasion of Poland by the
46:51Russians if you look at the 1939
46:53invasion of Poland if you look at the
46:561939 invasion of Finland the Russian
46:59army is not very good when it goes
47:01outside its borders it's no morale it's
47:05it's not an Imperial Army contrary to
47:08what people say you fight it right next
47:10to its borders and area that it it's
47:14it's unconquerable so once you were in
47:16Kiev and it was trying to be a a forward
47:19expeditionary Army it was easy to say
47:22they're incompetent but now the war is
47:23back right on the border and it's going
47:26to be very very hard to get the Russians
47:28out and everybody knows that and they
47:33know that the spring offensive failed
47:35the summer offensive failed they've
47:36spent more money actually than the
47:38history of all the money we've given to
47:39Israel so now they know that if you look
47:42at the polls people want a negotiated
47:45settlement they don't want to reward
47:47Putin they don't know how you would have
47:48a negotiated settlement without
47:50rewarding but they want to find a way so
47:52they say and so uh the supporters on the
47:57left or right are thinking if we have
47:59this separate the American people it'll
48:00be a killer back in my district so I
48:03don't want to vote for another 50 60
48:06billion dollars on my district but 65%
48:10of the American people want to help
48:11Israel so we'll just glue them together
48:14and we'll say that anybody who doesn't
48:16vote for it won't support Israel of
48:19course the people who want to separate
48:20say you're using the Israelis as guinea
48:22pigs to get your Ukraine through and
48:25where we are and it's it's confounded by
48:29the fact that it's not an easily
48:31discernable ideological because there's
48:33people on the ID ideological issue
48:36because there's Hawks of Republicans and
48:40Democrat Le and they both want to
48:42combine that what is your response to
48:46the criticism that America is funding
48:49both sides of the war in Israel in
48:53particular well
48:57we do that a lot but when you look at
49:00what we're doing so I'll give you a
49:03couple of examples off the top of my so
49:06Anthony blinkin is very worried right
49:09when the IDF is going to move first week
49:12he's going to go over there and he's
49:14going to talk to the jordanians and the
49:16West Bank and Egypt and they have
49:20threatened either that at some future
49:22date they might intervene or this and
49:24you think wait a minute they won't even
49:27meet with
49:29blinken they won't even meet with
49:31blinkin and he was willing to promate
49:33the lie that the hospital had been hit
49:34by the Israelis because he said that all
49:36the American embassies in the region
49:37should lower their flags half MKS and
49:40that still didn't appease these people
49:42then you start to look at their a
49:44billion and a half dollars to the
49:45Egyptians a billion dollars to the
49:48jordanians 700 million of the
49:49Palestinians you think well at least
49:52they didn't fund hezb then you start to
49:54look at the money we gave B root that
49:55was fluid and seeped into his especially
49:58with intelligence that was basically we
50:01were giving the Lebanese intelligence
50:04that was detrimental to Israel so yeah
50:06we were funding their
50:09enemies and I don't know why we're doing
50:12that other than I know what the reason
50:14that people say they're doing that when
50:16you talk to them about I've talked to
50:18people about it and they'll say this is
50:20good for
50:21Israel yes that's what they say because
50:24we're making friends with them and
50:26therefore we have leverage on them and
50:29therefore we tell them uh to go easy on
50:33Israel but I've never I've never seen
50:34any evidence of that but that's what
50:36they say to that's why we're doing it so
50:38are the surrounding countries supposedly
50:41going to go easy on Israel uh I don't
50:44think they have I look at the
50:46surrounding countries and I see that
50:50Gaza killed 1100 Israelis I look at the
50:54Lebanese and they're ready to kill more
50:57Israelis and the jordanians don't like
51:00the Israelis and the Egyptians don't
51:02want to help out in Gaza so I don't
51:04really see that the money was well spent
51:07I think the opposite might be true for
51:09just once I would like to see an
51:10American Administration say to all these
51:15countries I'm not going to give you
51:16anything and if you don't like us that's
51:18fine and we're going to pump more oil
51:20and natural gas and coal than you have
51:23and we don't need you and as far as the
51:25Chinese if you send another balloon over
51:27we're going to blow it up just and if
51:29Iran you hit another American base we're
51:30going to retaliate disproportionately
51:33and I would think that if you were to do
51:35that you would have peace and rather
51:38than the chaos you have today it's kind
51:41of
51:41counterintuitive if we tell Netanyahu
51:45and the
51:46Israelis that we want them pause for
51:49three days or whatever and then we're
51:50going to try of course to have a
51:53ceasefire and then Hezbollah is going to
51:55take the hostages and say how many
51:58hostages are worth how many days is a
52:01hostage worth one day and they're going
52:03to meter them out then all of that's for
52:05nothing I mean all the the Israelis that
52:08were killed and all the people killed
52:11trying to stop Hamas it's just going to
52:14go back to square one however if you
52:17just say to the Israelis I'm going to
52:20hold off the pressure on you any way I
52:22can I I'm going to try to give you four
52:24or five weeks before World opinion makes
52:26it impossible so go destroy Hamas I
52:30don't think Iran will intervene I don't
52:32think Hezbollah will intervene because
52:34Hezbollah will look at what happened to
52:36Hamas and they said this is what
52:38happened to us in 2006 we don't want to
52:41do it again if you call off the
52:44Israelis and they stop and Hamas comes
52:48out of the tunnels and said we with st
52:50the greatest Israeli and we killed more
52:52Jews in one day since the Holocaust we
52:55we killed more Jews than all you Arab
52:57countries have done since the Y Kipper
52:59War We Are The Killers of Jews Hezbollah
53:02will attack because they'll think
53:05wow has a bunch of paramilitaries went
53:09in and killed 1100 Jews and Israel
53:12didn't get rid of them they didn't do
53:14anything they just went in there and
53:15they
53:16quit if we send 100,000 Rockets maybe
53:19they'll do the same thing so it's
53:22everybody has the opposite view that
53:24they have to show
53:26restraint and let these killers survive
53:28and then Hezbollah will say well they
53:31were magnanimous and will we pay that in
53:33kind rather than they're weak and we're
53:35going to beay that with more war and I
53:37think it's unfortunately given human
53:39nature it's the latter imagine that
53:42peace through strength yeah right
53:45vegetus the old Roman strategist if you
53:47want peace prepare for war you made a
53:50remark about proportionate
53:53response what does that mean
53:55what is the expectation at War when it
53:59comes to it seems like there is this
54:02like these graphs and numbers and where
54:06is it coming from can we just try to get
54:08into the mind of of I don't know if it's
54:11the leftist or or or the
54:14uneducated where is this idea that when
54:17you're at War you have to count a
54:20proportionate response why is that even
54:22a goal it's no where historically
54:26documented may put it that way I know of
54:28no war that the Victoria side was
54:31proportionate the whole point of war is
54:33to be
54:35disproportionate no one said on December
54:388th they took out 2500 Americans so
54:42we're going to go bomb Yokohama and take
54:45out seven battleships of the Imperial
54:47Fleet and kill 20 and we're going to
54:49quit nobody would think and then that
54:52FDR would give a lecture to Congress and
54:54say say I want to end the cycle of
54:56violence no he said just the
55:00opposite and no one would say if the
55:03Israelis said okay we're going to send
55:06some paramilitaries in and we will kill
55:101100 Gau and civilians and we'll rape
55:14them mutilate them behead them burn them
55:16and then we'll be proportionate no that
55:18would just be a that would ensure a
55:20cycle of violence the whole purpose of
55:22war is to use more Force
55:25to defeat humiliate the enemy so they do
55:28you reestablish deter all war is is if
55:32this is a power and that's a power and
55:34this a power what prevents what makes
55:37War break out is that guy doesn't know
55:39what that guy's power is and that guy
55:41doesn't so when we get out of
55:43Afghanistan or we let a Chinese balloon
55:46or we do this woke military then these
55:48Powers say I don't know how strong the
55:51United States is anymore I'm going to
55:53take a chance and when Israel in Gaza
55:56people and they talk about Perpetual
55:58peace and homas I don't know if hell
56:00strong when you make it very clear what
56:04you're what you have and what you're
56:05capable nobody has any misunderstanding
56:08so war is unfortunately the laboratory
56:10experiment of which shouldn't have had
56:12to occur right now everybody knows that
56:15Israel is stronger than its neighbors
56:17and you don't screw with it and you have
56:19peace but if somebody has a
56:22misinterpretation maybe Israel gave the
56:24wrong signal do we force them to same
56:26thing with us those two carrier groups
56:29there have enough power to destroy Iran
56:33and Hezbollah in a week and I don't mean
56:37kill everybody I mean make them
56:39privil but I don't think Hezbollah Iran
56:42believes that and that is what causes a
56:45war because we did not show them the
56:49wages of aggression against the stronger
56:51power weaker powers that feel they can
56:54attack a stronger power they develop
56:58contempt because they say to them if I
57:00had Israel's power and Israel came into
57:02my country and killed 1100 of them I
57:05would destroy them and the fact that
57:06they don't destroy them and they have
57:08all that power means they're decadent
57:10that's how they look at things
57:11unfortunately I wish it weren't true and
57:14so uh war is kind of a breakdown in
57:18knowledge of it's like all of us in this
57:20room don't like each other and would I
57:24go over and hit somebody not unless I
57:26knew that that guy was not a black belt
57:28and that guy doesn't have a Glock and
57:30that person doesn't have a knife I'd be
57:32stupid to do that so once they tell me
57:35of their relative strength and I gauge
57:37it against mine then there's peace and
57:40then we can get along but when you don't
57:43know what a a country's wherewithal is
57:45or what they're capable of and that's
57:47what's happened we've lost deterrence
57:48and so has the Israelis and that's
57:52that's very dangerous unfortunately and
57:54I don't know what's going to come of it
57:57but they have to demonstrate the what
58:00happens to you when you go in and kill
58:02more Jews on any one given day since the
58:06Holocaust and William Duma Sherman who
58:10was one of the great minds in military
58:12history went into Georgia it was very
58:15similar what's happening the
58:17Confederates had said that we are a
58:19marshal culture we are Cavaliers we are
58:23we are Scotch Irish we have a you guys
58:25are just a mly bunch of immigrants so
58:28Sherman took a huge northern Army and he
58:30went in there and they were
58:32midwesterners farmers they were very
58:34tough people Northerners they'd never
58:36seen a black person before they've never
58:38seen a Confederate but he made this
58:40marvelous Armory he went all the way
58:42from Tennessee into Atlanta and then he
58:44took the city it's controversial how it
58:47burned down and
58:50everybody said how dare you come in here
58:54and and how dare you get occupy Atlanta
58:57it burned how dare you do this and now
58:59you're burning plantations you're trying
59:01to and he said wait a minute you started
59:04the war you were killing people in
59:06Missouri and Kentucky you bushwacked us
59:10and I finally we got kind so we're
59:11coming in here and we're going to raise
59:13your city so if you're such a marshal
59:15culture come out and fight us because
59:17that's what you told us that you were
59:19the tougher people here we are and it
59:21was just devastating for the Confederate
59:23psyche cuz they were terrified of him
59:26and so then he went to Atlanta then he
59:28went to Savannah then he went to Grant
59:30in Virginia and the war was over he
59:32completely exposed the charade or the
59:36veneer and the same thing is true what
59:39Israel is trying to do is say to the
59:42Arab world you you keep bragging that
59:45you're a cult of death and that we are
59:47weak because we believe in life so you
59:49come in in time of Peace in a holiday
59:53early in the morning during a concert
59:55and you butcher people in a premodern
59:58fashion you think it's really neat you
59:59tape it you call your mom and say I
1:00:01killed two Jews people greet us on the
1:00:04street you take a Jewish corpse and you
1:00:06spit out you think that's really neat
1:00:08we're going to show you the wages of
1:00:10that we're going to go in and we're
1:00:12going to kill every single person that
1:00:14did that but we're going to challenge
1:00:15you to come out and now fight and get it
1:00:17over with and they're saying just like
1:00:20the Confederate oh you can't do that
1:00:22this is
1:00:23unfair and
1:00:25if they were to adopt the Sherman wrote
1:00:27a great letter both to John B Hood and
1:00:29the mayor of Atlanta he said how dare
1:00:31you start a war kill people brag about
1:00:36how you're a marshal culture and we're
1:00:38weak and we're mly and we're industrial
1:00:41and we don't have the pure martial and
1:00:43now we're here and all you're doing is
1:00:45simpering and calling us begging us not
1:00:49to do what you know is going to happen
1:00:51and he said you're despicable he said
1:00:53that and I think there's something to
1:00:55that with Hamas I think that's why a 65%
1:00:59of the American people don't believe and
1:01:03proportionality they feel that if
1:01:05they're not disproportionate as the
1:01:07leader of Hamas said in Beirut they're
1:01:09going to do it once seven 100 a million
1:01:13times they'll keep doing it yeah until
1:01:15they have to they have to learn that if
1:01:17you do that it's going to be synonymous
1:01:20with your destruction and once they
1:01:22learn that maybe they will opt for a
1:01:26different agenda maybe they won't but
1:01:29they have to know that if anytime they
1:01:30don't these are the wages of what they
1:01:32did we haven't had a Civil War uh north
1:01:35and south and everybody said it would be
1:01:38Perpetual
1:01:39violence and Sherman if you read what
1:01:41Sherman and Grant said there won't be
1:01:43Perpetual
1:01:44violence and you know I asked my father
1:01:48once he was on a b29 crew 40 missions
1:01:50over Japan and occupied Korea during
1:01:53World War II and I said
1:01:55said well after they dropped the atomic
1:01:57bombs Japan surrendered on September 2nd
1:02:001945 what did you do then you go home he
1:02:02said no we flew into Japan two days
1:02:05later I said are you serious you landed
1:02:07on a Japanese Runway he said yes and I
1:02:10said well there there must have been
1:02:12snipers and terrorists he said no I said
1:02:16well what was the reaction he said they
1:02:18came out and gave us tea and flowers I
1:02:20said the people you bombed you destroyed
1:02:2275% of the civilian
1:02:25uh infrastructure of the Japanese cities
1:02:27he said yes and I said' what was your
1:02:29orders the orders were when we touched
1:02:31down if we were fired on to go right
1:02:34back up and circle around and bomb the
1:02:37city
1:02:39and this all sounds brodo or Neanderthal
1:02:44but the problem we have in a modern
1:02:46postmodern Society is the people who act
1:02:50like they're empathetic and they're
1:02:51moral or immoral and they get people
1:02:54killed and the people who just say that
1:02:56I wish human nature was not this way
1:02:59it's depressing but it's not changing
1:03:01and there's certain rules of human
1:03:03nature and you have to to instruct
1:03:06people what will be the consequences
1:03:08whether it's a smash and grab guy in San
1:03:10Francisco or carjacker in Chicago there
1:03:13has to be consequences and too often
1:03:16people
1:03:18interpret generosity and magnam minity
1:03:21is weakness to be exploited not to be
1:03:23reciprocated in kind and that's what
1:03:25Israel is dealing with and when you add
1:03:28all the things we've talked about of the
1:03:30modern University and it's an an
1:03:33impossible situation because it's
1:03:35basically saying hey everybody this is
1:03:38human nature these people are acting in
1:03:40privil fashion we're and we're not
1:03:45practicing genocide and no it's not
1:03:47apartheid and no we're not colonialist
1:03:49and no they're not refugees come on and
1:03:52it it I get very upset about about it
1:03:54because I talk to every day somebody
1:03:56who's Jewish or Israeli writes me or
1:03:58calls me talks and it's the same thing
1:04:02it's very sad Professor Hansen why don't
1:04:05you write about this I said you write
1:04:07yes we're telling everybody I said why
1:04:09do you tell everybody just what we're
1:04:11telling you doesn't the world
1:04:14see and it has kind of the the aura of
1:04:181939 1940 41 and it's it's same old
1:04:23thing and people get very exasperated
1:04:25because if you tell an Israeli or a Jew
1:04:28Jewish person in the United States
1:04:31look you just got to do what you got to
1:04:33do and you can't worry about the
1:04:36consequences and if that means for a
1:04:38hundred years Israel is this Garrison
1:04:40State you're going to be have to be that
1:04:42way if you that means no guest workers
1:04:45in
1:04:46Gaza whatever it takes but you're going
1:04:49to have to demonstrate that it's a very
1:04:51dangerous thing to go into Israel and
1:04:54kill a Jewish mother and if they do it
1:04:57for the next 100 years it's going to be
1:04:59a terrible retribution and then I think
1:05:01in the universities are people are going
1:05:03to have to say that if
1:05:04you tear down posters and you C you call
1:05:08for the genocide there's going to be
1:05:09repercussions and that maybe the
1:05:11university has to have a look at maybe
1:05:13we as American people can say you know
1:05:15what we made a deal with all your
1:05:18universities you told us that you were
1:05:20going to give a general inductive
1:05:22empirical education to 50% % of the
1:05:24population and you said that you were
1:05:26going to train Professionals in science
1:05:29medicine disinterested empirical science
1:05:32and law school and business school and
1:05:35they were going to be so preeminent that
1:05:37we would be preeminent as a country and
1:05:39you kept your bargain for a while and
1:05:42now you didn't you're deductive you're
1:05:45mediocre you're not using mccratic our
1:05:47science is polluted uh you can't talk
1:05:50about climate change you can't talk
1:05:52about a quarantine you can't talk about
1:05:54Co you can't talk about anything without
1:05:56you politicizing it and you don't and
1:05:58the kids that you graduate from Harvard
1:05:59NE don't know anything so we're going
1:06:01you broke the deal so we're going to
1:06:03renig ourselves and that means no more
1:06:05student loans 1.9 trillion you have a$
1:06:0960 billion endowment Harvard you back
1:06:12them maybe if you backed your own loans
1:06:14you would get rid of the studies classes
1:06:17and you would tell kids to graduate four
1:06:19years and get a job and pay you back but
1:06:21no moral hazard for you now out and then
1:06:24you could say to Stanford and all of
1:06:26them you have $40 billion in endowment
1:06:30you're getting $3 billion a year and
1:06:32tax-free income that was based on what
1:06:34you said you were going to do you didn't
1:06:35do it kids are not educated your
1:06:38professional schools are warped so you
1:06:41just pay income tax on that you're going
1:06:43to owe us a billion and a half dollar I
1:06:45don't think they would have hired 73 di
1:06:48you know what I mean with that bite out
1:06:50of them and then I think we could tell
1:06:52these faculty members you know when the
1:06:54Cornell faculty member says I was
1:06:55exhilarated you heard that when I heard
1:06:58Jews were being killed Etc I could go
1:07:00all day on those you can just say do you
1:07:03have tenure do you have tenure do you
1:07:05nobody has tenure just teachers and
1:07:07professors so we should just say to them
1:07:10no more tenure five-year contracts you
1:07:12have to sign on the dollar line you're
1:07:14going to write this many articles or
1:07:15books or this teaching evaluation if you
1:07:17don't do it you're out and I think they
1:07:19would pay attention give them a lifetime
1:07:22employment and you get a Professor you
1:07:25know going out in Los Angeles and maybe
1:07:27hitting a Jewish guy and killing him and
1:07:29that may may have happened recently so I
1:07:32I I think we have ways to to restore
1:07:36deterrence both militarily and socially
1:07:38and culturally I have a really hard
1:07:41question yeah so you talked about what
1:07:43you hope is going to happen what you
1:07:45believe should
1:07:47happen uh you talked about what you're
1:07:49worried about what do you think is going
1:07:52to happen what do I think is going to
1:07:55happen I think Israel is going to get to
1:07:59the point where they
1:08:02see that success is possible in
1:08:05destroying Hamas and I think they're
1:08:08going to destroy 75% of the tunnels and
1:08:11I think they're going to disrupt or kill
1:08:1450 or 60% of the H Hamas hierarchy and
1:08:18they're going to more importantly I
1:08:20think they already have found a paradigm
1:08:23how to do it how to deal with the
1:08:25tunnels and the Hamas people and right
1:08:28at the point of Victory they're going to
1:08:29be stopped by this Administration and I
1:08:33think they're going to put be under
1:08:34enormous pressure I think they're going
1:08:36to really pressure Netanyahu I don't
1:08:39know if he'll be in charge in a year and
1:08:42I think
1:08:44uh it will buy what the damage they did
1:08:47will buy them five to 10 years maybe
1:08:50five and then Hamas will come out of the
1:08:53tunnels and they'll say and then the PA
1:08:55and everybody will say they're not going
1:08:57to do this anymore and they're going to
1:08:59rebuild they're going to pour all the
1:09:01billions of dollars the United States
1:09:02will probably take I don't know two or
1:09:04300,000 people from Gaza these protests
1:09:07will get bigger and bigger the
1:09:09university yeah that's what I'm worried
1:09:11about I think that's likely what do you
1:09:13think is going to happen to us here in
1:09:16the United States over the last three
1:09:18years 8 million illegal immigrants came
1:09:20into the us we don't know where they're
1:09:22from we know what they're up to I know
1:09:26probably not good things what do you
1:09:28think when I see that I always use this
1:09:32Latin phrase quono to who did it to to
1:09:34whom did it benefit so when I see Mr
1:09:37mayorcas he will not answer a question
1:09:39he just lies Karin John Pierre so what
1:09:42is the purpose of this and then I think
1:09:45the leftist are doing this and so what
1:09:47is the leftist mind how does it operate
1:09:49it always operates on the principle
1:09:51projection whatever it feels untr about
1:09:54it projects on to somebody else so they
1:09:57know what they're doing they're trying
1:09:58to con they're trying to create a every
1:10:02year two cities the size of San
1:10:04Francisco of illegal alien they've l in
1:10:088 million and so they know what they're
1:10:11doing so what they do is say you believe
1:10:12in the great replacement you write
1:10:14people how dare you say that but they
1:10:16write books called de demography is
1:10:18Destiny and the new Democratic majority
1:10:21so they're bringing in people who they
1:10:23feel are the poorest people in the world
1:10:26and they need Federal support and larger
1:10:29bureaucracy and a greater Progressive
1:10:31agenda and as far as the other there's a
1:10:35got to remember about this new
1:10:36Progressive group jacoban group they
1:10:38have
1:10:39a they have a sense of nealis to them
1:10:43just I don't know what it is they like
1:10:45to screw it's a George Soro screw things
1:10:47up they like the idea that San Francisco
1:10:50is really hurting middle class people
1:10:53they like the idea that you might have
1:10:55to be careful in the subway they like
1:10:58the idea that uh you can go in and steal
1:11:02something and that makes you know it
1:11:04sounds psychotic honestly it is
1:11:05psychotic yeah and if you read what they
1:11:07say is well we're not we're going to
1:11:10excuse unless they steal $950 because a
1:11:14bunch of wealthy white people made laws
1:11:16that says you can't steal a candy bar
1:11:18because they don't steal candy bars
1:11:20because they don't steal it they made
1:11:21poor people who have to steal it so it's
1:11:23not really a crime that's their whole
1:11:25legal Theory and so they they have that
1:11:28streak so when they see these people
1:11:30coming in they're saying well maybe now
1:11:34Mr middle class American's going to have
1:11:36a little fear in his life that like they
1:11:38dispossessed in the bario or the ghetto
1:11:40and so and that that that's that
1:11:42explains some of it besides the desire
1:11:44for new constituents because their their
1:11:46agenda is not appealing to people so
1:11:49they bring in more and more people and I
1:11:52don't know what's going to happen but I
1:11:54know one thing of all I was uh curious
1:11:57about that question you just asked
1:11:58because it it occurred to me a lot so I
1:12:01went
1:12:02back about a month ago and I looked at
1:12:04all the things Donald Trump had done
1:12:07every one of them that were
1:12:09controversial his appointments cabanag
1:12:13gorsage moving the embassy to Jerusalem
1:12:17but the one that got people the angriest
1:12:19was the travel ban on terrorist
1:12:22countries because he said that I think
1:12:24it was eight or nine countries it wasn't
1:12:26just Arab countries but there were a lot
1:12:28of Arab countries and I and then I
1:12:29started to read about what the New York
1:12:31Times Washington Post and they were so
1:12:34angry that Elites in the Middle East
1:12:37could not come over for visiting
1:12:39professorships or Guggenheim fellowships
1:12:42and have that perch in this very
1:12:44affluent country and speak and yell and
1:12:47trash the United States and you get the
1:12:50impression that they got so angry
1:12:52because that's what they really like
1:12:54they like the idea the left to bring in
1:12:56all the people hate America and
1:12:58subsidize them and then say well
1:13:01Professor exit of middle study a
1:13:04visiting Professor endowed Professor
1:13:05whatever at Columbia says this and he's
1:13:08the expert on the middle so that would
1:13:10got him very angry and so there's a
1:13:12nalism there they like to bring in
1:13:14people that don't like America or cause
1:13:17trouble or America or you don't know
1:13:18what they're going to do they just feel
1:13:20that that's kind of payback for being
1:13:22bgeo
1:13:24and and middle class oh you follow the
1:13:26rules deal with this yeah oh you're on
1:13:29the subway and it's all of a sudden
1:13:31dangerous oh poor baby that's their
1:13:33attitude there really is I thought you
1:13:35were going to say also Donald Trump's uh
1:13:38demand that we build a wall that's
1:13:40another thing that really upset them it
1:13:42was
1:13:43too it was too simple you know so Gavin
1:13:46Newsome goes over to China and he's
1:13:48sitting on this wall that's so great and
1:13:50and you know walls are supposedly don't
1:13:53work work and then I drive along Los
1:13:56Angeles I go to nice neighborhoods I see
1:13:58all these walls but walls don't work but
1:14:00he just says there's a wall it's going
1:14:01to work and then Joe Biden says not one
1:14:04foot and now they're building 26 miles
1:14:06of wall of course walls work they don't
1:14:08mean it work 100% but they deter and
1:14:11it's harder to come across they didn't
1:14:14like that simplistic Donald Trump pushed
1:14:17every one of their buttons he his hair
1:14:20his accent his skin color is way he
1:14:23dressed what he ate crudity yes what he
1:14:27like you know I would read things i'
1:14:29talk to people my God he had two
1:14:31hogendas ice creams he ate a che you
1:14:34know the way he's just it was like
1:14:38somebody went into the mind of a leftist
1:14:40and said can you create Lucifer in her
1:14:43mind and he has to look like him he has
1:14:45to talk like him and he has to do still
1:14:47and he did it and they went completely
1:14:49and you and I or everybody knows people
1:14:51that even on the conservative side that
1:14:54were normal and now they're completely
1:14:56crazy they've never regained their
1:14:57sanity all they can talk about and
1:14:59they're nashing their teeth they're like
1:15:01race or ghost in the Wilder they're just
1:15:03he drove them completely crazy yeah so
1:15:06Victor I have a final really hard
1:15:08question should I move to a farm a farm
1:15:13well I live on a farm so I'm Prejudice I
1:15:15live in the same house that my great
1:15:16great grandmother
1:15:18Built Well there's not enough farms for
1:15:21everybody but
1:15:23um farming itself is very hard and I
1:15:27farm full-time for 5 years and I help my
1:15:30brothers for another
1:15:3215 but Rural Life maybe huh out in a
1:15:36rural community I think there's a lot of
1:15:38advantages to it you you uh avoid all
1:15:42the
1:15:42pathologies of the big city I grew up on
1:15:46a farm and one neighbor was from Armenia
1:15:50and one neighbor was from Greece and one
1:15:53was Japanese American and one was
1:15:55Mexican ameran and one was a European um
1:16:01from uh what we call Bas there was
1:16:04Basque and I don't think we ever heard
1:16:06anybody talk about
1:16:08race nobody did it was all there were so
1:16:12many other things to think about there
1:16:13was no leisure everybody was working so
1:16:15hard they were worried about the weather
1:16:17we were all in a war against the weather
1:16:19and insects and the mysteries of why
1:16:23grow or don't grow and so when you get
1:16:25in everybody in the city and they get
1:16:26sophisticated they have all this time
1:16:29and and they're Bunch together Jefferson
1:16:32said the Americans wouldn't America
1:16:34won't work if 95% of the people live in
1:16:36a city said they're just bunched
1:16:38together and it we don't have enough um
1:16:42autonomous people if you're on a farm I
1:16:45mean I it drives me crazy some we were
1:16:47driving yesterday and speaking on a
1:16:49Friday I had to I was teaching a class
1:16:51of Pepperdine before we got to the farm
1:16:53we had to leave and the day before all
1:16:56the power went out because a ryal
1:16:57Transformer had blown something and then
1:17:00as we were leaving we were worried
1:17:02because this uh the spray rig on the
1:17:04almonds was blowing and we didn't know
1:17:06whether you know I had to go out and
1:17:08talk to the guy and tell him you know
1:17:10Don't Spray right here and it's
1:17:12everything like that because you're
1:17:13completely autonomous your sewer you're
1:17:15in charge of your sewer you're in charge
1:17:16of your water you're in charge of your
1:17:18power you're in charge of growing food
1:17:20and you're responsible on it doesn't
1:17:23leave a lot of time for
1:17:25superficial things I think it's valuable
1:17:27especially for
1:17:28kids I'll end with one anecdote maybe my
1:17:32son will get mad when he was very small
1:17:35I was part-time and a professor but I
1:17:38lived right in the center of the farm
1:17:39and my brother was farming full-time so
1:17:42he taught my son how to use a forklift I
1:17:45think he was eight or nine years old and
1:17:47he was very good at it so fast forward
1:17:5010 years he's at a university I won't
1:17:52mention it on the coast and he has a
1:17:54part-time
1:17:55job and he works for a big Home Depot I
1:17:59won't say it's that it wasn't that but
1:18:00it was a place like that and he's he's
1:18:03working and it's lunchtime and he's
1:18:06eating and a big semi comes in with
1:18:09concrete blocks and the guy says where's
1:18:11the for cloth driver but you have to be
1:18:12trained you have to little badge and
1:18:14says certified truck so the guy damn it
1:18:17I got to get out of here so he said do
1:18:19you know I said yeah and he said we'll
1:18:21unload it so he just and he got it all
1:18:25unloaded and then he called me and he
1:18:28Saidi got fired I said you got fired why
1:18:31he said I'm not an
1:18:33authorized forklift driver and they said
1:18:35I have to have a badge and I happen to
1:18:37be going over to see him so I said I'll
1:18:39talk to and he did get fired and I
1:18:42thought well maybe he violated the rules
1:18:45but wouldn't a person at least say that
1:18:47had initiative and he did a good job and
1:18:49don't do it again but we'd like to make
1:18:51you now a forklift driver
1:18:53and that truck driver had says something
1:18:55like this is the only guy that's ever
1:18:57unloaded me that knew what he was doing
1:19:00so that's the type of things that
1:19:01farming did yeah and I think it's made a
1:19:04big difference another final thing I'll
1:19:06shut up is it changes your um value
1:19:09system
1:19:12so if you can do things practical you
1:19:15you can say the wind is blowing a
1:19:17particular way or
1:19:19it's uh the almanac says that there's
1:19:22always going to be a cool part in the
1:19:23middle of June or you look and say we're
1:19:273 minutes closer to nights are getting
1:19:31longer because it affects farming you're
1:19:32just aware of the physical world then
1:19:34other things are less important and I
1:19:37had grown up there and and kind of
1:19:39schizophrenic and I remember when I got
1:19:41a PhD I was 25 when I came
1:19:44home and I didn't get a job I had take
1:19:46care of my grandmother and I was farming
1:19:48but my dad hadn't seen me in a while and
1:19:50I kind of puffed up and I said I just
1:19:53want to say that I got a PhD in
1:19:57Classics and he said yeah nobody I
1:20:00didn't even go to my graduation he
1:20:01didn't either and he said okay and what
1:20:05does that mean I said you know I was
1:20:07really good also in writing in Greek I
1:20:09can write Greek like English I don't
1:20:11know if I could but I said that I
1:20:12thought I could and he said can you fix
1:20:14the dehydrator down there and we've got
1:20:18a guy working on it so just go let's go
1:20:20down there and the guy said could you
1:20:22wire the 220 pump I said no I don't know
1:20:25how to do that and he said could you uh
1:20:29bring a water line over to the
1:20:31dehydrator I need an inch and quarter I
1:20:32said I'm not sure I know how to do that
1:20:34could you help pull a submersible pump
1:20:37no I can and my what can you do right
1:20:41greet and I had kind of a smart brother
1:20:44who said you know that's like a dog
1:20:45walking on two legs it's impressive but
1:20:48for what reason so it it brings you down
1:20:51to earth and I think that was my mother
1:20:55was a app pellet Court Judge she was the
1:20:56second woman in California and she went
1:20:59to Stanford off this little farm in 1946
1:21:02and when she was the Pres uh one of the
1:21:05top judges in the state Appel court she
1:21:08would go to Farmers Market with us when
1:21:10she was 60 years old and pedal fruit
1:21:13and I have pictures of her and she's got
1:21:16t-shirt and she's out there selling
1:21:18tomatoes from more farm and an old news
1:21:21Bell Telephone V yeah so it it really is
1:21:24a humbling experience nobody in farming
1:21:27gets any credit unless they know how to
1:21:28farm H it's titles everything are
1:21:32Superfluous and that's really good for
1:21:34young children yeah their values it's
1:21:36real it's real real there's no facade
1:21:40anyway Victor thank you you are a
1:21:43National Treasure thank you for being
1:21:45the medicine for my mind I look forward
1:21:47to doing this again well thank
1:21:49[Music]
1:21:51you

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