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1. 0:00YOU. THAT IS "ALL IN" FOR THIS
2. 0:02THAT IS "ALL IN" FOR THIS EVENING.
3. 0:03EVENING. "THE RACHEL MADDOW SHOW" STARTS
4. 0:03"THE RACHEL MADDOW SHOW" STARTS RIGHT NOW.
5. 0:04RIGHT NOW. GOOD EVENING.
6. 0:04GOOD EVENING. >> THANKS, MY FRIEND.
7. 0:05>> THANKS, MY FRIEND. AND THANKS FOR JOINING US THIS
8. 0:06AND THANKS FOR JOINING US THIS HOUR.
9. 0:08HOUR. IN THE SUMMER OF 1974, THE
10. 0:12IN THE SUMMER OF 1974, THE SPECIAL COUNSEL WHO WAS
11. 0:13SPECIAL COUNSEL WHO WAS INVESTIGATING THE WATERGATE
12. 0:15INVESTIGATING THE WATERGATE SCANDAL WROTE A LETTER TO
13. 0:17SCANDAL WROTE A LETTER TO CONGRESS, TO THE JUDICIARY
14. 0:21CONGRESS, TO THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE IN CONGRESS DETAILING
15. 0:22COMMITTEE IN CONGRESS DETAILING WHAT HIS INVESTIGATION, WHAT HIS
16. 0:23WHAT HIS INVESTIGATION, WHAT HIS PROSECUTORS AND INVESTIGATORS
17. 0:25PROSECUTORS AND INVESTIGATORS HAD TURNED UP ABOUT CRIMINAL
18. 0:27HAD TURNED UP ABOUT CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR BY THE PRESIDENT AT THE
19. 0:30BEHAVIOR BY THE PRESIDENT AT THE TIME, PRESIDENT RICHARD NIXON.
20. 0:31TIME, PRESIDENT RICHARD NIXON. NOW, BY THIS POINT, BY THE
21. 0:33NOW, BY THIS POINT, BY THE SUMMER OF 1974, THE PRESIDENT’S
22. 0:35SUMMER OF 1974, THE PRESIDENT’S CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN, THAT WOULD
23. 0:37CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN, THAT WOULD ALSO HAVE BEEN HIS ATTORNEY
24. 0:38ALSO HAVE BEEN HIS ATTORNEY GENERAL, THE PRESIDENT’S WHITE
25. 0:39GENERAL, THE PRESIDENT’S WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF, A WHOLE
26. 0:41HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF, A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER SENIOR WHITE
27. 0:42BUNCH OF OTHER SENIOR WHITE HOUSE PERSONNEL FROM THE NIXON
28. 0:45HOUSE PERSONNEL FROM THE NIXON ADMINISTRATION, HAD ALREADY BEEN
29. 0:46ADMINISTRATION, HAD ALREADY BEEN INDICTED A FEW MONTHS EARLIER
30. 0:47INDICTED A FEW MONTHS EARLIER FOR SERIOUS CRIMES.
31. 0:49FOR SERIOUS CRIMES. AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT
32. 0:52AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT INDICTMENT, THE GRAND JURY HAD
33. 0:54INDICTMENT, THE GRAND JURY HAD NAMED PRESIDENT NIXON AS A
34. 0:57NAMED PRESIDENT NIXON AS A CO-CONSPIRATOR.
35. 0:58CO-CONSPIRATOR. EVEN THOUGH HE PERSONALLY WAS
36. 0:59EVEN THOUGH HE PERSONALLY WAS NOT INCLUDED AS A DEFENDANT IN
37. 1:00NOT INCLUDED AS A DEFENDANT IN THE INDICTMENT.
38. 1:01THE INDICTMENT. HE WAS THE UNINDICTED
39. 1:04HE WAS THE UNINDICTED CO-CONSPIRATOR.
40. 1:05CO-CONSPIRATOR. NOW, THE LEGAL TEAM WORKING FOR
41. 1:06NOW, THE LEGAL TEAM WORKING FOR PRESIDENT NIXON AT THE TIME
42. 1:08PRESIDENT NIXON AT THE TIME RAISED A CHALLENGE TO THAT.
43. 1:09RAISED A CHALLENGE TO THAT. THEY BASICALLY CHALLENGED
44. 1:11THEY BASICALLY CHALLENGED WHETHER THE INFORMATION IN THE
45. 1:12WHETHER THE INFORMATION IN THE CASE, THE EVIDENCE SEEN BY THE
46. 1:14CASE, THE EVIDENCE SEEN BY THE GRAND JURY THAT PRODUCED THAT
47. 1:15GRAND JURY THAT PRODUCED THAT INDICTMENT, PRODUCED THOSE
48. 1:17INDICTMENT, PRODUCED THOSE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST THE
49. 1:17ALLEGATIONS AGAINST THE PRESIDENT, THE PRESIDENT’S LEGAL
50. 1:20PRESIDENT, THE PRESIDENT’S LEGAL TEAM QUESTIONED WHETHER THAT
51. 1:21TEAM QUESTIONED WHETHER THAT EVIDENCE WAS ACTUALLY SUFFICIENT
52. 1:23EVIDENCE WAS ACTUALLY SUFFICIENT TO WARRANT SOMETHING AS RADICAL
53. 1:25TO WARRANT SOMETHING AS RADICAL AS NAMING THE SERVING PRESIDENT
54. 1:26AS NAMING THE SERVING PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AS PART OF
55. 1:27OF THE UNITED STATES AS PART OF A SERIOUS CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY.
56. 1:31A SERIOUS CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY. AND SO WHEN THE PRESIDENT’S
57. 1:33AND SO WHEN THE PRESIDENT’S LEGAL TEAM RAISED THAT
58. 1:34LEGAL TEAM RAISED THAT OBJECTION, THIS KIND OF
59. 1:36OBJECTION, THIS KIND OF MOMENTOUS THING HAPPENED, AT THE
60. 1:38MOMENTOUS THING HAPPENED, AT THE HEIGHT OF THE SUMMER IN 1974.
61. 1:41HEIGHT OF THE SUMMER IN 1974. BECAUSE THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE
62. 1:43BECAUSE THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE IN CONGRESS, CHAIRMAN OF THE
63. 1:46IN CONGRESS, CHAIRMAN OF THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, WROTE TO
64. 1:47JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, WROTE TO THE WATERGATE SPECIAL COUNSEL,
65. 1:49THE WATERGATE SPECIAL COUNSEL, THE PROSECUTOR WHO HAD BROUGHT
66. 1:50THE PROSECUTOR WHO HAD BROUGHT THAT INDICTMENT, AND SAID
67. 1:53THAT INDICTMENT, AND SAID BASICALLY HEY, YOU OBTAINED THIS
68. 1:55BASICALLY HEY, YOU OBTAINED THIS INDICTMENT, YOU PRESENTED
69. 1:56INDICTMENT, YOU PRESENTED EVIDENCE TO THE GRAND JURY
70. 1:57EVIDENCE TO THE GRAND JURY SUFFICIENT TO WARRANT THIS
71. 1:59SUFFICIENT TO WARRANT THIS INDICTMENT.
72. 1:59INDICTMENT. IF, IN FACT, THAT EVIDENCE WAS
73. 2:01IF, IN FACT, THAT EVIDENCE WAS ALSO SUFFICIENT TO WARRANT
74. 2:04ALSO SUFFICIENT TO WARRANT NAMING THE PRESIDENT AS A
75. 2:06NAMING THE PRESIDENT AS A CO-CONSPIRATOR IN THESE CRIMES,
76. 2:08CO-CONSPIRATOR IN THESE CRIMES, WELL, LET’S HEAR IT.
77. 2:09WELL, LET’S HEAR IT. WHAT IS THAT EVIDENCE?
78. 2:10WHAT IS THAT EVIDENCE? WHAT IS IT THAT YOU FOUND ABOUT
79. 2:13WHAT IS IT THAT YOU FOUND ABOUT PRESIDENT RICHARD NIXON THAT
80. 2:15PRESIDENT RICHARD NIXON THAT JUSTIFIED THIS ALLEGATION THAT
81. 2:16JUSTIFIED THIS ALLEGATION THAT HE WAS IN ON ALL OF THESE
82. 2:17HE WAS IN ON ALL OF THESE CRIMES, TOO?
83. 2:20CRIMES, TOO? AND THE SPECIAL COUNSEL FOR
84. 2:22AND THE SPECIAL COUNSEL FOR WATERGATE RESPONDED, BASICALLY
85. 2:26WATERGATE RESPONDED, BASICALLY SAID OKAY, HERE YOU GO, DEAR MR.
86. 2:28SAID OKAY, HERE YOU GO, DEAR MR. CHAIRMAN, HAPPY TO.
87. 2:29CHAIRMAN, HAPPY TO. YOU SEND US A SUBPOENA, WE’LL
88. 2:32YOU SEND US A SUBPOENA, WE’LL HAPPILY SEND YOU OVER OUR
89. 2:34HAPPILY SEND YOU OVER OUR SUMMARY OF EVIDENCE PERTAINING
90. 2:35SUMMARY OF EVIDENCE PERTAINING TO PRESIDENT NIXON’S CONDUCT IN
91. 2:37TO PRESIDENT NIXON’S CONDUCT IN THE WATERGATE MANNER.
92. 2:39THE WATERGATE MANNER. AND THE PROSECUTOR THEN PRODUCED
93. 2:41AND THE PROSECUTOR THEN PRODUCED PAGE AFTER PAGE AFTER PAGE AFTER
94. 2:43PAGE AFTER PAGE AFTER PAGE AFTER PAGE OF DETAILED ALLEGATIONS
95. 2:45PAGE OF DETAILED ALLEGATIONS THAT NIXON HAD, IN FACT,
96. 2:47THAT NIXON HAD, IN FACT, COMMITTED TONS OF CRIMES,
97. 2:49COMMITTED TONS OF CRIMES, INCLUDING LOTS OF CRIMINAL
98. 2:51INCLUDING LOTS OF CRIMINAL OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE.
99. 2:53OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE. "BEGINNING NO LATER THAN MARCH
100. 2:54"BEGINNING NO LATER THAN MARCH 21st, 1973, THE PRESIDENT JOINED
101. 2:5721st, 1973, THE PRESIDENT JOINED AN ONGOING CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY
102. 3:00AN ONGOING CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY TO OBSTRUCT A CRIMINAL
103. 3:01TO OBSTRUCT A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION AND TO COMMIT
104. 3:03INVESTIGATION AND TO COMMIT PERJURY, INCLUDING MAKING AND
105. 3:05PERJURY, INCLUDING MAKING AND CAUSING TO BE MADE FALSE
106. 3:06CAUSING TO BE MADE FALSE STATEMENTS AND DECLARATIONS,
107. 3:07STATEMENTS AND DECLARATIONS, MAKING OFFERS OF CLEMENCY AND
108. 3:10MAKING OFFERS OF CLEMENCY AND LENIENCY, AND OBTAINING
109. 3:11LENIENCY, AND OBTAINING INFORMATION FROM THE JUSTICE
110. 3:12INFORMATION FROM THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT TO THWART ITS
111. 3:15DEPARTMENT TO THWART ITS INVESTIGATION.
112. 3:16INVESTIGATION. THERE’S EVIDENCE THAT THE
113. 3:16THERE’S EVIDENCE THAT THE PRESIDENT CONSPIRED WITH OTHERS
114. 3:18PRESIDENT CONSPIRED WITH OTHERS TO DEFRAUD THE UNITED STATES,
115. 3:19TO DEFRAUD THE UNITED STATES, AND TO COMMIT VIOLATIONS OF
116. 3:23AND TO COMMIT VIOLATIONS OF CERTAIN FEDERAL CRIMINAL LAWS,
117. 3:24CERTAIN FEDERAL CRIMINAL LAWS, TO WIT, OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE,
118. 3:27TO WIT, OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE, INCLUDING PAYING OF FUNDS AND
119. 3:28INCLUDING PAYING OF FUNDS AND OFFS OF CLEMENCY AND OTHER
120. 3:30OFFS OF CLEMENCY AND OTHER BENEFITS TO INFLUENCE THE
121. 3:31BENEFITS TO INFLUENCE THE TESTIMONY OF WITNESSES.
122. 3:34TESTIMONY OF WITNESSES. MAKING AND FACILITATING, THE
123. 3:36MAKING AND FACILITATING, THE MAKING OF FALSE STATEMENTS AND
124. 3:38MAKING OF FALSE STATEMENTS AND DECLARATIONS, OBTAINING
125. 3:39DECLARATIONS, OBTAINING INFORMATION ABOUT THE ONGOING
126. 3:41INFORMATION ABOUT THE ONGOING INFORMATION FROM THE JUSTICE
127. 3:42INFORMATION FROM THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT FOR THE PURPOSE OF
128. 3:44DEPARTMENT FOR THE PURPOSE OF DIVERTING OR THWARTING THE
129. 3:47DIVERTING OR THWARTING THE INVESTIGATION.
130. 3:47INVESTIGATION. ALSO PERJURY, INCLUDING THE
131. 3:49ALSO PERJURY, INCLUDING THE PRESIDENT’S DIRECT AND PERSONAL
132. 3:50PRESIDENT’S DIRECT AND PERSONAL EFFORTS TO ENCOURAGE AND
133. 3:51EFFORTS TO ENCOURAGE AND FACILITATE THE GIVING OF
134. 3:53FACILITATE THE GIVING OF MISLEADING AND FALSE TESTIMONY
135. 3:54MISLEADING AND FALSE TESTIMONY BY AIDES.
136. 3:56BY AIDES. ALSO, BRIBERY BY DIRECTLY AND
137. 3:59ALSO, BRIBERY BY DIRECTLY AND INDIRECTLY OFFERING SOMETHING OF
138. 4:00INDIRECTLY OFFERING SOMETHING OF VALUE, INCLUDING CLEMENCY AND/OR
139. 4:02VALUE, INCLUDING CLEMENCY AND/OR A PARDON, WITH THE INTENT TO
140. 4:05A PARDON, WITH THE INTENT TO INFLUENCE TESTIMONY BEFORE GRAND
141. 4:06INFLUENCE TESTIMONY BEFORE GRAND JURIES, COURTS, AND
142. 4:07JURIES, COURTS, AND CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEES.
143. 4:09CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEES. ALSO OBSTRUCTION OF A CRIMINAL
144. 4:15ALSO OBSTRUCTION OF A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION.
145. 4:16INVESTIGATION. INVESTIGATION."
146. 4:17INVESTIGATION." IT GOES ON AND ON.
147. 4:17IT GOES ON AND ON. THAT’S EVIDENCE TO DEMONSTRATE
148. 4:19THAT’S EVIDENCE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT PRESIDENT NIXON TOOK DIRECT
149. 4:20THAT PRESIDENT NIXON TOOK DIRECT ACTION TO FURTHER THE CONSPIRACY
150. 4:22ACTION TO FURTHER THE CONSPIRACY OUTLINED ABOVE.
151. 4:24OUTLINED ABOVE. THESE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST NIXON
152. 4:26THESE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST NIXON FROM 1974, AND THE EVIDENCE THAT
153. 4:28FROM 1974, AND THE EVIDENCE THAT SUPPORTED THESE ALLEGATIONS
154. 4:30SUPPORTED THESE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST NIXON, THEY’VE GOTTEN A
155. 4:31AGAINST NIXON, THEY’VE GOTTEN A LOT OF ATTENTION THIS YEAR,
156. 4:32LOT OF ATTENTION THIS YEAR, RIGHT?
157. 4:33RIGHT? AND THAT’S IN PART BECAUSE A
158. 4:34AND THAT’S IN PART BECAUSE A WHOLE BUNCH OF THIS STUFF ABOUT
159. 4:36WHOLE BUNCH OF THIS STUFF ABOUT NIXON HAS BEEN UNSEALED, JUST
160. 4:38NIXON HAS BEEN UNSEALED, JUST MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC FOR
161. 4:39MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC FOR THE FIRST TIME, SO THERE’S
162. 4:41THE FIRST TIME, SO THERE’S HISTORICAL INTEREST, BUT
163. 4:43HISTORICAL INTEREST, BUT HONESTLY, WHAT IS DRIVING A LOT
164. 4:44HONESTLY, WHAT IS DRIVING A LOT OF THAT HISTORICAL INTEREST,
165. 4:46OF THAT HISTORICAL INTEREST, WHAT’S BEEN DRIVING THE EFFORT
166. 4:47WHAT’S BEEN DRIVING THE EFFORT TO GET A BUNCH OF THIS STUFF
167. 4:49TO GET A BUNCH OF THIS STUFF UNSEALED NOW, IS THE ALMOST
168. 4:55UNSEALED NOW, IS THE ALMOST UNCANNILY PARALLEL EXPERIENCE WE
169. 4:56UNCANNILY PARALLEL EXPERIENCE WE ARE HAVING RIGHT NOW IN OUR
170. 4:58ARE HAVING RIGHT NOW IN OUR LIFETIME WHEN IT COMES TO OUR
171. 5:00LIFETIME WHEN IT COMES TO OUR CURRENT PRESIDENT.
172. 5:00CURRENT PRESIDENT. I MEAN, EVEN JUST LOOKING AT
173. 5:03I MEAN, EVEN JUST LOOKING AT THIS ONE EXCHANGE OF
174. 5:05THIS ONE EXCHANGE OF INFORMATION, BETWEEN THE
175. 5:06INFORMATION, BETWEEN THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE AND THE
176. 5:07JUDICIARY COMMITTEE AND THE WATERGATE PROSECUTOR IN ’74,
177. 5:09WATERGATE PROSECUTOR IN ’74, JUST PULL A COUPLE OF THOSE
178. 5:10JUST PULL A COUPLE OF THOSE BULLET POINTS, SEE IF ANY OF
179. 5:12BULLET POINTS, SEE IF ANY OF THESE THINGS RING A BELL, RIGHT?
180. 5:14THESE THINGS RING A BELL, RIGHT? MAKING AND FACILITATING THE
181. 5:16MAKING AND FACILITATING THE MAKING OF FALSE STATEMENTS AND
182. 5:19MAKING OF FALSE STATEMENTS AND DECK HA RATIONLARATIONS ABOUT TH
183. 5:22DECK HA RATIONLARATIONS ABOUT TH INVESTIGATION.
184. 5:23INVESTIGATION. OBTAINING INFORMATION ABOUT THE
185. 5:27OBTAINING INFORMATION ABOUT THE ONGOING INVESTIGATION FOR THE
186. 5:28ONGOING INVESTIGATION FOR THE PURPOSE OF DIE VERTING OR
187. 5:29PURPOSE OF DIE VERTING OR THWARTING THAT INVESTIGATION.
188. 5:31THWARTING THAT INVESTIGATION. THESE COULD BE CAPTIONS FOR A
189. 5:33THESE COULD BE CAPTIONS FOR A PICTURE BOOK TOUR FOR THE NIXON
190. 5:37PICTURE BOOK TOUR FOR THE NIXON OR TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, EITHER
191. 5:38OR TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, EITHER WAY.
192. 5:38WAY. WHEN IT CAME TO NIXON, IT TURNED
193. 5:40WHEN IT CAME TO NIXON, IT TURNED OUT AT THE TIME, AND WE CAN NOW
194. 5:43OUT AT THE TIME, AND WE CAN NOW SEE MORE CLEARLY THAN EVER, 45
195. 5:44SEE MORE CLEARLY THAN EVER, 45 YEARS DOWN THE LINE, IT TURNED
196. 5:47YEARS DOWN THE LINE, IT TURNED OUT THERE WERE MOUNTAINS OF THIS
197. 5:51OUT THERE WERE MOUNTAINS OF THIS STUFF, THIS EVIDENCE OF NIXON’S
198. 5:52STUFF, THIS EVIDENCE OF NIXON’S CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR, MOUNTAINS OF
199. 5:55CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR, MOUNTAINS OF THIS STUFF THAT WAS TURNED UP BY
200. 5:58THIS STUFF THAT WAS TURNED UP BY FEDERAL INVESTIGATORS.
201. 6:00FEDERAL INVESTIGATORS. NOW, IN OUR LIFETIME, WE KNOW
202. 6:02NOW, IN OUR LIFETIME, WE KNOW VERY LITTLE ABOUT WHAT FEDERAL
203. 6:04VERY LITTLE ABOUT WHAT FEDERAL PROSECUTORS AND INVESTIGATORS
204. 6:05PROSECUTORS AND INVESTIGATORS HAVE ABOUT OUR CURRENT
205. 6:06HAVE ABOUT OUR CURRENT PRESIDENT.
206. 6:06PRESIDENT. BUT NEVERTHELESS, WE HAVE STILL
207. 6:09BUT NEVERTHELESS, WE HAVE STILL GOT OUR OWN MOUNTAIN OF
208. 6:12GOT OUR OWN MOUNTAIN OF REPORTING AND EVIDENCE, ABOUT A
209. 6:13REPORTING AND EVIDENCE, ABOUT A BIGGER NUMBER OF ALLEGED
210. 6:15BIGGER NUMBER OF ALLEGED OBSTRUCTION BY THE PRESIDENT.
211. 6:16OBSTRUCTION BY THE PRESIDENT. JUST STUFF TURNED UP BY
212. 6:19JUST STUFF TURNED UP BY INVESTIGATIVE REPORTING AND JUST
213. 6:20INVESTIGATIVE REPORTING AND JUST ADMITTED TO BY THE PRESIDENT AND
214. 6:21ADMITTED TO BY THE PRESIDENT AND OTHER SENIOR FIGURES THEM
215. 6:26OTHER SENIOR FIGURES THEM SOUTHEAST S
216. 6:27SOUTHEAST S SELVES OR JUST COMMITTED OPENLY
217. 6:28SELVES OR JUST COMMITTED OPENLY OUT LOUD, TO THE POINT WHERE
218. 6:29OUT LOUD, TO THE POINT WHERE IT’S BEEN SQUIRMINGLY AWKWARD
219. 6:31IT’S BEEN SQUIRMINGLY AWKWARD FOR THOSE INVOLVED.
220. 6:34FOR THOSE INVOLVED. >> HAVE YOU TALKED ABOUT THIS
221. 6:35>> HAVE YOU TALKED ABOUT THIS ISSUE WITH ADMIRAL ROGERS?
222. 6:45ISSUE WITH ADMIRAL ROGERS? >> THAT IS -- THAT IS SOMETHING
223. 6:48>> THAT IS -- THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I, UM, WOULD LIKE TO
224. 6:54THAT I, UM, WOULD LIKE TO WITHHOLD, THAT QUESTION AT THIS
225. 6:55WITHHOLD, THAT QUESTION AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME.
226. 6:58PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME. >> THAT EXCRUCIATINGLY PREGNANT
227. 7:04>> THAT EXCRUCIATINGLY PREGNANT NINE-SECOND LONG PAUSE, BROUGHT
228. 7:04NINE-SECOND LONG PAUSE, BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE DIRECTOR OF
229. 7:07TO YOU BY THE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE, THAT WAS
230. 7:08NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE, THAT WAS THE DAY AFTER NBC NEWS REPORTED
231. 7:10THE DAY AFTER NBC NEWS REPORTED THAT THE PRESIDENT ASKED HIM,
232. 7:11THAT THE PRESIDENT ASKED HIM, AND ALSO THE HEAD OF THE
233. 7:12AND ALSO THE HEAD OF THE NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY, HEAD
234. 7:14NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY, HEAD OF THE NSA, ADMIRAL MIKE ROGERS,
235. 7:18OF THE NSA, ADMIRAL MIKE ROGERS, NBC REPORTED THAT THE PRESIDENT
236. 7:19NBC REPORTED THAT THE PRESIDENT ASKED THEM BOTH TO MAKE PUBLIC
237. 7:21ASKED THEM BOTH TO MAKE PUBLIC STATEMENTS SAYING THAT THEY AND
238. 7:22STATEMENTS SAYING THAT THEY AND THEIR AGENCIES KNEW THAT
239. 7:24THEIR AGENCIES KNEW THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP AND HIS CAPTAIN
240. 7:28PRESIDENT TRUMP AND HIS CAPTAIN PAIN HAD
241. 7:29PAIN HAD -- HIS CAMPAIGN HADN’T COLLUDED
242. 7:30-- HIS CAMPAIGN HADN’T COLLUDED WITH RUSSIA.
243. 7:31WITH RUSSIA. THE DAY BEFORE THAT NINE-SECOND
244. 7:34THE DAY BEFORE THAT NINE-SECOND PAUSE, NBC REPORTED THAT NOT
245. 7:35PAUSE, NBC REPORTED THAT NOT ONLY HAD PRESIDENT TRUMP
246. 7:37ONLY HAD PRESIDENT TRUMP DIRECTED HIM AS THE DIRECTOR OF
247. 7:39DIRECTED HIM AS THE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE AND ALSO
248. 7:40NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE AND ALSO THE HEAD OF THE NSA TO MAKE
249. 7:41THE HEAD OF THE NSA TO MAKE THOSE PUBLIC STATEMENTS TO
250. 7:43THOSE PUBLIC STATEMENTS TO UNDERMINE THE RUSSIA
251. 7:44UNDERMINE THE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION, BUT ALSO THE TWO
252. 7:46INVESTIGATION, BUT ALSO THE TWO OF THEM, HEAD OF THE NSA, HEAD
253. 7:47OF THEM, HEAD OF THE NSA, HEAD OF THE OFFICE OF THE DIRECTOR OF
254. 7:49OF THE OFFICE OF THE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE, THE TWO
255. 7:51NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE, THE TWO OF THEM TALKED TO EACH OTHER
256. 7:54OF THEM TALKED TO EACH OTHER ABOUT THAT REQUEST FROM THE
257. 7:56ABOUT THAT REQUEST FROM THE PRESIDENT.
258. 7:57PRESIDENT. SORT OF COMPARED NOTES AFTER THE
259. 7:58SORT OF COMPARED NOTES AFTER THE PRESIDENT APPROACHED THEM BOTH.
260. 8:01PRESIDENT APPROACHED THEM BOTH. >> I’LL ASK BOTH OF YOU THE SAME
261. 8:03>> I’LL ASK BOTH OF YOU THE SAME QUESTION, WHY ARE YOU NOT
262. 8:04QUESTION, WHY ARE YOU NOT ANSWERING THESE QUESTIONS?
263. 8:05ANSWERING THESE QUESTIONS? IS THERE AN INVOCATION BY THE
264. 8:08IS THERE AN INVOCATION BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
265. 8:08PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE, IS THERE
266. 8:10OF EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE, IS THERE OR NOT?
267. 8:10OR NOT? >> NOT THAT I’M AWARE OF.
268. 8:12>> NOT THAT I’M AWARE OF. >> WHY ARE YOU NOT --
269. 8:13>> WHY ARE YOU NOT -- >> I FEEL IT IS INAPPROPRIATE,
270. 8:16>> I FEEL IT IS INAPPROPRIATE, SENATOR.
271. 8:16SENATOR. >> WHAT YOU FEEL ISN’T RELEVANT,
272. 8:19>> WHAT YOU FEEL ISN’T RELEVANT, ADMIRAL.
273. 8:19ADMIRAL. WHAT YOU FEEL ISN’T THE
274. 8:21WHAT YOU FEEL ISN’T THE ANSWER -- WHY ARE YOU NOT
275. 8:22ANSWER -- WHY ARE YOU NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS?
276. 8:23ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS? IS IT AN INNOVATION OF EXECUTIVE
277. 8:26IS IT AN INNOVATION OF EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE?
278. 8:26PRIVILEGE? IF THERE IS, LET’S KNOW ABOUT
279. 8:28IF THERE IS, LET’S KNOW ABOUT IT.
280. 8:30IT. IF THERE ISN’T, ANSWER THE
281. 8:32IF THERE ISN’T, ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.
282. 8:32QUESTIONS. >> I STAND BY MY COMMENTS, I
283. 8:36>> I STAND BY MY COMMENTS, I DON’T MEAN THAT IN A CONTENTIOUS
284. 8:38DON’T MEAN THAT IN A CONTENTIOUS WAY.
285. 8:38WAY. >> I DO MEAN IT IN A CONTENTIOUS
286. 8:40>> I DO MEAN IT IN A CONTENTIOUS WAY.
287. 8:40WAY. I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU’RE
288. 8:41I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU’RE NOT ANSWERING OUR QUESTIONS.
289. 8:44NOT ANSWERING OUR QUESTIONS. WHEN YOU WERE CONFIRMED BEFORE
290. 8:46WHEN YOU WERE CONFIRMED BEFORE THE ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE,
291. 8:48THE ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE, YOU TOOK AN OATH.
292. 8:49YOU TOOK AN OATH. DO YOU SWEAR TO GIVE THE
293. 8:50DO YOU SWEAR TO GIVE THE COMMITTEE THE TRUTH, THE FULL
294. 8:51COMMITTEE THE TRUTH, THE FULL TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE
295. 8:52TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD, AND YOU
296. 8:55TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD, AND YOU ANSWERED YES TO THAT.
297. 8:56ANSWERED YES TO THAT. >> AND I ANSWERED THAT THOSE
298. 8:58>> AND I ANSWERED THAT THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE CLASSIFIED.
299. 8:59CONVERSATIONS ARE CLASSIFIED. AND IT’S NOT APPROPRIATE TO
300. 9:03AND IT’S NOT APPROPRIATE TO DISCUSS THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
301. 9:05DISCUSS THOSE CONVERSATIONS. >> WHAT IS CLASSIFIED WHETHER OR
302. 9:06>> WHAT IS CLASSIFIED WHETHER OR NOT YOU SHOULD INTERVENE IN THE
303. 9:08NOT YOU SHOULD INTERVENE IN THE FBI INVESTIGATION?
304. 9:09FBI INVESTIGATION? >> I STAND BY MY PREVIOUS
305. 9:11>> I STAND BY MY PREVIOUS COMMENTS.
306. 9:11COMMENTS. >> MR. COTES, WHAT IS THE BASIS
307. 9:13>> MR. COTES, WHAT IS THE BASIS FOR YOUR REFUSAL TO ANSWER THESE
308. 9:16FOR YOUR REFUSAL TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS TODAY?
309. 9:16QUESTIONS TODAY? >> THE BASIS IS THAT WHAT I HAVE
310. 9:20>> THE BASIS IS THAT WHAT I HAVE PREVIOUSLY EXPLAINED.
311. 9:21PREVIOUSLY EXPLAINED. I DO NOT BELIEVE IT IS
312. 9:22I DO NOT BELIEVE IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR ME TO --
313. 9:24APPROPRIATE FOR ME TO -- >> WHAT’S THE BASIS -- I’M NOT
314. 9:26>> WHAT’S THE BASIS -- I’M NOT SATISFIED CAN, I DO NOT BELIEVE
315. 9:28SATISFIED CAN, I DO NOT BELIEVE IT’S APPROPRIATE OR I DO NOT
316. 9:30IT’S APPROPRIATE OR I DO NOT FEEL I SHOULD ANSWER.
317. 9:31FEEL I SHOULD ANSWER. I WANT TO ANSWER A LEGAL BASIS,
318. 9:34I WANT TO ANSWER A LEGAL BASIS, YOU SWORE THAT OATH TO TELL US
319. 9:35YOU SWORE THAT OATH TO TELL US THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND
320. 9:37THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, AND TODAY
321. 9:39NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, AND TODAY YOU ARE REFUSING TO DO SO.
322. 9:40YOU ARE REFUSING TO DO SO. WHAT IS THE LEGAL BASIS FOR YOUR
323. 9:42WHAT IS THE LEGAL BASIS FOR YOUR REFUSAL TO TESTIFY TO THIS
324. 9:44REFUSAL TO TESTIFY TO THIS COMMIT ANY
325. 9:45COMMIT ANY >> I’M NOT SURE I HAVE A LEGAL
326. 9:46>> I’M NOT SURE I HAVE A LEGAL BASIS.
327. 9:49BASIS. >> SO ALREADY THIS STUFF IS OUT
328. 9:51>> SO ALREADY THIS STUFF IS OUT THERE, RIGHT?
329. 9:54THERE, RIGHT? THAT’S WHY THESE SENATORS ARE
330. 9:56THAT’S WHY THESE SENATORS ARE ABLE TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS.
331. 9:58ABLE TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS. IN THIS CASE, SENATOR KING OF
332. 9:59IN THIS CASE, SENATOR KING OF MAINE, RIGHT?
333. 10:01MAINE, RIGHT? THOSE TWO INTELLIGENCE AGENCY
334. 10:03THOSE TWO INTELLIGENCE AGENCY CHIEFS ARE ON THE HOTSEAT THERE
335. 10:05CHIEFS ARE ON THE HOTSEAT THERE BECAUSE OF PUBLIC REPORTS THAT
336. 10:07BECAUSE OF PUBLIC REPORTS THAT THESE SENIOR INTELLIGENCE
337. 10:08THESE SENIOR INTELLIGENCE OFFICIALS, DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL
338. 10:10OFFICIALS, DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE, HEAD OF THE NSA,
339. 10:11INTELLIGENCE, HEAD OF THE NSA, THE PRESIDENT ASKED THEM TO MAKE
340. 10:13THE PRESIDENT ASKED THEM TO MAKE STATEMENTS EXONERATING THE
341. 10:15STATEMENTS EXONERATING THE PRESIDENT IN THE RUSSIA
342. 10:16PRESIDENT IN THE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION.
343. 10:16INVESTIGATION. IN FACT, THE DAY BEFORE THAT
344. 10:18IN FACT, THE DAY BEFORE THAT EXCHANGE WITH ANGUS KING, "THE
345. 10:23EXCHANGE WITH ANGUS KING, "THE WASHINGTON POST" REPORTED THAT
346. 10:25WASHINGTON POST" REPORTED THAT THE PRESIDENT ASKED FOR THESE
347. 10:26THE PRESIDENT ASKED FOR THESE EXONERATING STATEMENTINGS, BUT
348. 10:30EXONERATING STATEMENTINGS, BUT ASKED THEM TO TELL THE FBI TO
349. 10:31ASKED THEM TO TELL THE FBI TO STOP ITS INVESTIGATION ON THE
350. 10:33STOP ITS INVESTIGATION ON THE RUSSIA MATTER.
351. 10:34RUSSIA MATTER. INCLUDING SPECIFICALLY THEIR
352. 10:36INCLUDING SPECIFICALLY THEIR INVESTIGATION INTO THE NATIONAL
353. 10:37INVESTIGATION INTO THE NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER, MIKE FLYNN.
354. 10:39SECURITY ADVISER, MIKE FLYNN. SOME OF THE MOST POWERFUL
355. 10:42SOME OF THE MOST POWERFUL OBSTRUCTION EVIDENCE AGAINST
356. 10:42OBSTRUCTION EVIDENCE AGAINST NIXON FROM THE ’70s, SOME OF THE
357. 10:45NIXON FROM THE ’70s, SOME OF THE EVIDENCE THAT IS STILL THE MOST
358. 10:46EVIDENCE THAT IS STILL THE MOST WIDELY REMEMBERED STUFF, ALL
359. 10:47WIDELY REMEMBERED STUFF, ALL THESE DECADES LATER, SOME OF THE
360. 10:52THESE DECADES LATER, SOME OF THE MOST WIDELY REMEMBERED PARTS OF
361. 10:55MOST WIDELY REMEMBERED PARTS OF HIS OBSTRUCTION EFFORT IS WHEN
362. 10:57HIS OBSTRUCTION EFFORT IS WHEN HE TRIED TO BLOCK THE FBI
363. 10:59HE TRIED TO BLOCK THE FBI INVESTIGATION BY USING THE
364. 11:00INVESTIGATION BY USING THE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY, BY USING
365. 11:01INTELLIGENCE AGENCY, BY USING THE CIA, TELLING THE FBI THERE
366. 11:03THE CIA, TELLING THE FBI THERE IS STUFF THEY COULDN’T LOOK
367. 11:05IS STUFF THEY COULDN’T LOOK INTO, BECAUSE THOSE WERE CIA
368. 11:06INTO, BECAUSE THOSE WERE CIA MATTERS, TRYING TO ENLIST THE
369. 11:08MATTERS, TRYING TO ENLIST THE CIA IN AN EFFORT TO COVER UP
370. 11:09CIA IN AN EFFORT TO COVER UP WHAT HE HAD DONE AND TO STOP THE
371. 11:11WHAT HE HAD DONE AND TO STOP THE FBI INVESTIGATION THAT WAS GOING
372. 11:12FBI INVESTIGATION THAT WAS GOING TO EXPOS HIM.
373. 11:13TO EXPOS HIM. WHEN IT COMES TO PRESIDENT
374. 11:15WHEN IT COMES TO PRESIDENT TRUMP, APPARENTLY TRYING THE
375. 11:17TRUMP, APPARENTLY TRYING THE SAME THING, NOT ONLY DID HE
376. 11:19SAME THING, NOT ONLY DID HE REPORTEDLY ASK THE HEADS OF TWO
377. 11:21REPORTEDLY ASK THE HEADS OF TWO INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES TO HELP
378. 11:22INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES TO HELP HIM OUT WHEN IT CAME TO PUBLIC
379. 11:24HIM OUT WHEN IT CAME TO PUBLIC PERCEPTIONS OF THE RUSSIA
380. 11:25PERCEPTIONS OF THE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION, HE SPECIFICALLY
381. 11:26INVESTIGATION, HE SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED THAT THEY SHOULD
382. 11:28REQUESTED THAT THEY SHOULD INTERVENE WITH THE FBI, TELL THE
383. 11:30INTERVENE WITH THE FBI, TELL THE FBI TO BACK OFF.
384. 11:31FBI TO BACK OFF. AND ACCORDING TO "THE WASHINGTON
385. 11:33AND ACCORDING TO "THE WASHINGTON POST," THAT REQUEST WAS MADE
386. 11:35POST," THAT REQUEST WAS MADE WHILE ANOTHER SENIOR OFFICIAL
387. 11:36WHILE ANOTHER SENIOR OFFICIAL WAS IN THE ROOM AND WITNESSED
388. 11:38WAS IN THE ROOM AND WITNESSED IT.
389. 11:38IT. A MAN NAMED MIKE POMPEO, WHO AT
390. 11:42A MAN NAMED MIKE POMPEO, WHO AT THE TIME OF THIS INCIDENT, WAS
391. 11:44THE TIME OF THIS INCIDENT, WAS THE HEAD OF THE CIA.
392. 11:45THE HEAD OF THE CIA. HE’S SINCE GONE ON TO BECOME
393. 11:48HE’S SINCE GONE ON TO BECOME SECRETARY OF STATE.
394. 11:49SECRETARY OF STATE. HERE’S HOW HE ANSWERED QUESTIONS
395. 11:50HERE’S HOW HE ANSWERED QUESTIONS THE DAY HE WAS IN THE ROOM, IN
396. 11:52THE DAY HE WAS IN THE ROOM, IN THE WHITE HOUSE, WHEN HE WAS THE
397. 11:54THE WHITE HOUSE, WHEN HE WAS THE SUPPOSED WITNESS TO THE
398. 11:55SUPPOSED WITNESS TO THE PRESIDENT TRYING TO ENLIST THE
399. 11:57PRESIDENT TRYING TO ENLIST THE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL
400. 12:00DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE TO KIBOSH THE
401. 12:03INTELLIGENCE TO KIBOSH THE INVESTIGATION INTO HIS CAMPAIGN
402. 12:06INVESTIGATION INTO HIS CAMPAIGN AS A HISTORICAL MIRROR TO WHAT
403. 12:08AS A HISTORICAL MIRROR TO WHAT NIXON GOT BUSTED FOR.
404. 12:09NIXON GOT BUSTED FOR. >> SO DIRECTOR, THIS ACCOUNT
405. 12:11>> SO DIRECTOR, THIS ACCOUNT STRONGLY SUGGESTS THAT THE
406. 12:12STRONGLY SUGGESTS THAT THE PRESIDENT ASKED YOU AND DIRECTOR
407. 12:14PRESIDENT ASKED YOU AND DIRECTOR COTES TO INTERFERE WITH THEN FBI
408. 12:16COTES TO INTERFERE WITH THEN FBI DIRECTOR COMEY’S INVESTIGATIONS
409. 12:18DIRECTOR COMEY’S INVESTIGATIONS INTO THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN’S
410. 12:19INTO THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN’S CONTACTS WITH RUSSIA.
411. 12:23CONTACTS WITH RUSSIA. WHAT DID PRESIDENT TRUMP SAY TO
412. 12:24WHAT DID PRESIDENT TRUMP SAY TO YOU AND DIRECTOR COTES IN THAT
413. 12:26YOU AND DIRECTOR COTES IN THAT MEETING?
414. 12:26MEETING? >> SENATOR, I’M NOT GOING TO
415. 12:29>> SENATOR, I’M NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE CONVERSATION THE
416. 12:31TALK ABOUT THE CONVERSATION THE PRESIDENT AND I HAD.
417. 12:32PRESIDENT AND I HAD. >> DID HE ASK YOU TO DO ANYTHING
418. 12:34>> DID HE ASK YOU TO DO ANYTHING AS IT RELATES TO THAT
419. 12:35AS IT RELATES TO THAT INVESTIGATION?
420. 12:36INVESTIGATION? >> SENATOR, I DON’T RECALL WHAT
421. 12:37>> SENATOR, I DON’T RECALL WHAT HE ASKED ME THAT DAY.
422. 12:40HE ASKED ME THAT DAY. >> I, I, MM, WHY WOULD SOMETHING
423. 12:43>> I, I, MM, WHY WOULD SOMETHING LIKE THAT STAND OUT?
424. 12:44LIKE THAT STAND OUT? THE PRESIDENT IN THE OVAL OFFICE
425. 12:47THE PRESIDENT IN THE OVAL OFFICE COMMITTING BLATANT OBSTRUCTION
426. 12:48COMMITTING BLATANT OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE WHEN IT’S JUST YOU AS
427. 12:49OF JUSTICE WHEN IT’S JUST YOU AS THE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL
428. 12:51THE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE.
429. 12:52INTELLIGENCE. THE PRESIDENT ASKED EVERYBODY
430. 12:53THE PRESIDENT ASKED EVERYBODY ELSE TO LEAVE AND MAKES THIS
431. 12:55ELSE TO LEAVE AND MAKES THIS REQUEST, WILL YOU PLEASE SHUT
432. 12:56REQUEST, WILL YOU PLEASE SHUT OFF THE INVESTIGATION INTO ME,
433. 13:01OFF THE INVESTIGATION INTO ME, WILL YOU MAKE THE FBI STOP
434. 13:04WILL YOU MAKE THE FBI STOP INVESTIGATING ME?
435. 13:06INVESTIGATING ME? WHY WOULD YOU REMEMBER THAT?
436. 13:08WHY WOULD YOU REMEMBER THAT? HAPPENS ALL THE TIME, RIGHT?
437. 13:09HAPPENS ALL THE TIME, RIGHT? WHY WOULD YOU RECALL?
438. 13:11WHY WOULD YOU RECALL? YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT DOES HAPPEN
439. 13:12YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT DOES HAPPEN ALL THE TIME.
440. 13:14ALL THE TIME. I MEAN, JUST LOOK AT WHERE WE
441. 13:15I MEAN, JUST LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE NOW.
442. 13:17ARE NOW. LOOK AT THE HEIGHT TO WHICH WE
443. 13:18LOOK AT THE HEIGHT TO WHICH WE HAVE RISEN.
444. 13:21HAVE RISEN. WITH NIXON, IT WAS A REVELATION
445. 13:24WITH NIXON, IT WAS A REVELATION AT THE END, ALL THE STUFF WE
446. 13:26AT THE END, ALL THE STUFF WE LEARNED THAT WE HAD DONE, ALL
447. 13:27LEARNED THAT WE HAD DONE, ALL THE STUFF THAT PROSECUTORS AND
448. 13:29THE STUFF THAT PROSECUTORS AND INVESTIGATORS COLLECTED EVIDENCE
449. 13:30INVESTIGATORS COLLECTED EVIDENCE OF IN TERMS OF HIS CRIMINAL
450. 13:32OF IN TERMS OF HIS CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR.
451. 13:32BEHAVIOR. WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP, IT’S BEEN
452. 13:33WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP, IT’S BEEN A MOUNTAIN THAT’S BEEN BUILT UP
453. 13:36A MOUNTAIN THAT’S BEEN BUILT UP IN PUBLIC, STONE BY STONE, FROM
454. 13:38IN PUBLIC, STONE BY STONE, FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, FROM THE
455. 13:40THE VERY BEGINNING, FROM THE VERY START OF THIS PRESIDENCY.
456. 13:41VERY START OF THIS PRESIDENCY. I MEAN, PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS NOT
457. 13:44I MEAN, PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS NOT CREDIBLY DENIED ANY OF THIS.
458. 13:46CREDIBLY DENIED ANY OF THIS. HE ASKED FBI DIRECTOR JAMES
459. 13:47HE ASKED FBI DIRECTOR JAMES COMEY TO LAY OFF THE FBI
460. 13:50COMEY TO LAY OFF THE FBI INVESTIGATION INTO MICHAEL FLYNN
461. 13:51INVESTIGATION INTO MICHAEL FLYNN AS IT PERTAINED TO RUSSIA.
462. 13:53AS IT PERTAINED TO RUSSIA. HE FIRED JAMES COMEY AS THE HEAD
463. 13:55HE FIRED JAMES COMEY AS THE HEAD OF THE FBI AFTER COMEY REFUSED
464. 13:57OF THE FBI AFTER COMEY REFUSED TO DO THAT AND MAKE EXONERATING
465. 13:59TO DO THAT AND MAKE EXONERATING STATEMENTS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT.
466. 14:00STATEMENTS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT. THE PRESIDENT ALSO TOLD ATTORNEY
467. 14:02THE PRESIDENT ALSO TOLD ATTORNEY GENERAL JEFF SESSIONS, DIRECTED
468. 14:04GENERAL JEFF SESSIONS, DIRECTED HIM THAT HE SHOULDN’T FOLLOW THE
469. 14:06HIM THAT HE SHOULDN’T FOLLOW THE PROFESSIONAL ETHICS ADVICE OF
470. 14:07PROFESSIONAL ETHICS ADVICE OF THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, SHOULD.
471. 14:08THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, SHOULD. FOLLOW JUSTICE DEPARTMENT RULES,
472. 14:09FOLLOW JUSTICE DEPARTMENT RULES, HE SHOULD DEFY THAT ADVICE AND
473. 14:12HE SHOULD DEFY THAT ADVICE AND RULES AND NOT RECUSE HIMSELF
474. 14:13RULES AND NOT RECUSE HIMSELF FROM OVERSEEING THE RUSSIA
475. 14:15FROM OVERSEEING THE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION, BECAUSE THE
476. 14:16INVESTIGATION, BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT BELIEVED THAT CAUSED
477. 14:18PRESIDENT BELIEVED THAT CAUSED HIM TO LOSE CONTROL OF THE
478. 14:19HIM TO LOSE CONTROL OF THE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION.
479. 14:20RUSSIA INVESTIGATION. THE PRESIDENT TOLD THEN ATTORNEY
480. 14:21THE PRESIDENT TOLD THEN ATTORNEY GENERAL JEFF SESSIONS OUT LOUD
481. 14:22GENERAL JEFF SESSIONS OUT LOUD AND IN PUBLIC IN WRITING THAT HE
482. 14:24AND IN PUBLIC IN WRITING THAT HE NEEDED TO STOP THE RUSSIA
483. 14:26NEEDED TO STOP THE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION "RIGHT NOW."
484. 14:29INVESTIGATION "RIGHT NOW." ONE OF THE PRESIDENT’S LAWYERS
485. 14:31ONE OF THE PRESIDENT’S LAWYERS QUICKLY TRIED TO EXPLAIN THAT
486. 14:32QUICKLY TRIED TO EXPLAIN THAT AWAY BY SAYING IT’S NOT A CALL
487. 14:34AWAY BY SAYING IT’S NOT A CALL TO ACTION.
488. 14:35TO ACTION. TO BE CLEAR THE EXACT QUOTE OF
489. 14:37TO BE CLEAR THE EXACT QUOTE OF THE PRESIDENT OUT LOUD, IN
490. 14:38THE PRESIDENT OUT LOUD, IN PUBLIC, WAS THIS, "ATTORNEY
491. 14:41PUBLIC, WAS THIS, "ATTORNEY GENERAL JEFF SESSIONS SHOULD
492. 14:44GENERAL JEFF SESSIONS SHOULD STOP THIS RIGGED WITCH HUNT
493. 14:46STOP THIS RIGGED WITCH HUNT RIGHT NOW."
494. 14:47RIGHT NOW." THAT’S NOT A CALL TO ACTION.
495. 14:49THAT’S NOT A CALL TO ACTION. IT WAS LIKE A FORTUNE COOKIE
496. 14:50IT WAS LIKE A FORTUNE COOKIE THING, WE DON’T KNOW WHAT HE
497. 14:53THING, WE DON’T KNOW WHAT HE MEANT.
498. 14:55MEANT. IT’S AMBIGUOUS.
499. 14:55IT’S AMBIGUOUS. JUST TODAY, OUT LOUD, ONLINE,
500. 14:57JUST TODAY, OUT LOUD, ONLINE, THE PRESIDENT POSTED AN IMAGE
501. 14:59THE PRESIDENT POSTED AN IMAGE SUGGESTING THAT THE DEPUTY
502. 15:01SUGGESTING THAT THE DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL, WHO UNTIL
503. 15:03ATTORNEY GENERAL, WHO UNTIL RECENTLY OVERSAW THE RUSSIA
504. 15:05RECENTLY OVERSAW THE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION, HE SHOULD BE
505. 15:06INVESTIGATION, HE SHOULD BE JAILED AND TRIED FOR TREASON.
506. 15:08JAILED AND TRIED FOR TREASON. THE PRESIDENT WAS ASKED JUST
507. 15:09THE PRESIDENT WAS ASKED JUST TONIGHT "WHY DID YOU THINK ROD
508. 15:15TONIGHT "WHY DID YOU THINK ROD ROSENSTEIN BELONGS BEHIND BARS?"
509. 15:18ROSENSTEIN BELONGS BEHIND BARS?" THE PRESIDENT RESPONDED, HE
510. 15:19THE PRESIDENT RESPONDED, HE SHOULD HAVE NEVER PICKED A
511. 15:20SHOULD HAVE NEVER PICKED A SPECIAL COUNSEL.
512. 15:21SPECIAL COUNSEL. SO THE PRESIDENT SAYING A TOP
513. 15:24SO THE PRESIDENT SAYING A TOP JUSTICE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL
514. 15:25JUSTICE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL SHOULD BE JAILED AND CHARGED
515. 15:26SHOULD BE JAILED AND CHARGED WITH A CRIME, WHICH IS CAPITAL
516. 15:29WITH A CRIME, WHICH IS CAPITAL PUNISHMENT, FOR HAVING APPOINTED
517. 15:30PUNISHMENT, FOR HAVING APPOINTED A SPECIAL COUNSEL IN THE RUSSIA
518. 15:32A SPECIAL COUNSEL IN THE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION.
519. 15:32INVESTIGATION. IN THAT ONGOING INVESTIGATION.
520. 15:35IN THAT ONGOING INVESTIGATION. THE PRESIDENT, IN JUNE OF LAST
521. 15:36THE PRESIDENT, IN JUNE OF LAST YEAR, TOLD HIS WHITE HOUSE
522. 15:38YEAR, TOLD HIS WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL TO FIRE THE SPECIAL
523. 15:40COUNSEL TO FIRE THE SPECIAL COUNSEL LEADING THE RUSSIA
524. 15:41COUNSEL LEADING THE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION.
525. 15:41INVESTIGATION. THE PRESIDENT IN DECEMBER DID
526. 15:42THE PRESIDENT IN DECEMBER DID THE SAME THING AGAIN.
527. 15:44THE SAME THING AGAIN. THE PRESIDENT, ON AUGUST 9th OF
528. 15:46THE PRESIDENT, ON AUGUST 9th OF LAST YEAR PLACED A PHONE CALL
529. 15:47LAST YEAR PLACED A PHONE CALL FROM HIS GOLF CLUB IN NEW JERSEY
530. 15:48FROM HIS GOLF CLUB IN NEW JERSEY TO THE MAJORITY LEADER IN THE
531. 15:50TO THE MAJORITY LEADER IN THE SENATE, MITCH McCONNELL, AND
532. 15:53SENATE, MITCH McCONNELL, AND EXCORIATING McCONNELL FOR
533. 15:55EXCORIATING McCONNELL FOR REFUSING TO PROTECT HIM, THE
534. 15:58REFUSING TO PROTECT HIM, THE PRESIDENT, FROM INVESTIGATIONS
535. 15:59PRESIDENT, FROM INVESTIGATIONS OF RUSSIA INTERFERENCE IN THE
536. 16:01OF RUSSIA INTERFERENCE IN THE 2016 ELECTION.
537. 16:032016 ELECTION. MULTIPLE REPUBLICANS WERE
538. 16:04MULTIPLE REPUBLICANS WERE BRIEFED ON THAT CONVERSATION, IN
539. 16:05BRIEFED ON THAT CONVERSATION, IN WHICH THE PRESIDENT CALLED THE
540. 16:06WHICH THE PRESIDENT CALLED THE SENATE MAJORITY LEADER.
541. 16:08SENATE MAJORITY LEADER. THEIR ACCOUNTS THEN MADE THEIR
542. 16:09THEIR ACCOUNTS THEN MADE THEIR WAY INTO "THE NEW YORK TIMES."
543. 16:12WAY INTO "THE NEW YORK TIMES." IT WAS NEVER EVEN HALF HEARTEDLY
544. 16:13IT WAS NEVER EVEN HALF HEARTEDLY DENIED BY THE PRESIDENT.
545. 16:15DENIED BY THE PRESIDENT. EVEN MORE SPECIFICALLY THAN
546. 16:16EVEN MORE SPECIFICALLY THAN THAT, THE PRESIDENT REPEATEDLY
547. 16:18THAT, THE PRESIDENT REPEATEDLY DIRECTED NOT ONLY MITCH
548. 16:19DIRECTED NOT ONLY MITCH McCONNELL BUT ALSO ANOTHER
549. 16:21McCONNELL BUT ALSO ANOTHER REPUBLICAN AND SENATE
550. 16:22REPUBLICAN AND SENATE LEADERSHIP, SENATOR ROY BLOUNT
551. 16:25LEADERSHIP, SENATOR ROY BLOUNT AND SENATOR RICHARD BURR, THAT
552. 16:28AND SENATOR RICHARD BURR, THAT THEY SHOULD STOP THE
553. 16:29THEY SHOULD STOP THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE
554. 16:30INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE INVESTIGATION INTO RUSSIAN
555. 16:31INVESTIGATION INTO RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE.
556. 16:32INTERFERENCE. AGAIN, THIS ISN’T CONTESTED BY
557. 16:34AGAIN, THIS ISN’T CONTESTED BY ANYBODY INVOLVED.
558. 16:35ANYBODY INVOLVED. THE SENATOR CONFIRMED THAT YEAH,
559. 16:37THE SENATOR CONFIRMED THAT YEAH, THE PRESIDENT DID CONTACT HIM
560. 16:38THE PRESIDENT DID CONTACT HIM AND TELL HIM TO END THE RUSSIA
561. 16:41AND TELL HIM TO END THE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION IN THE SENATE.
562. 16:44INVESTIGATION IN THE SENATE. THE PRESIDENT HAS ALSO
563. 16:45THE PRESIDENT HAS ALSO PERSONALLY PARTICIPATED IN
564. 16:47PERSONALLY PARTICIPATED IN CONCOCTING FALSE PUBLIC
565. 16:48CONCOCTING FALSE PUBLIC STATEMENTS ABOUT KEY ISSUES THAT
566. 16:49STATEMENTS ABOUT KEY ISSUES THAT ARE PART OF THE INVESTIGATION,
567. 16:51ARE PART OF THE INVESTIGATION, INCLUDING THE FALSE STATEMENT HE
568. 16:53INCLUDING THE FALSE STATEMENT HE DRAFTED IN THE NAME OF HIS
569. 16:54DRAFTED IN THE NAME OF HIS ELDEST SON, CLAIMING A MEETING
570. 16:57ELDEST SON, CLAIMING A MEETING WITH RUSSIANS TO OBTAIN DAMAGING
571. 17:00WITH RUSSIANS TO OBTAIN DAMAGING INFORMATION ABOUT HILLARY
572. 17:01INFORMATION ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON WAS A MEETING ABOUT
573. 17:02CLINTON WAS A MEETING ABOUT RUSSIAN ADOPTIONS.
574. 17:03RUSSIAN ADOPTIONS. YOU’RE LIKE, OH, THAT’S CUTE.
575. 17:06YOU’RE LIKE, OH, THAT’S CUTE. THE NEWS FLASH THAT THE
576. 17:07THE NEWS FLASH THAT THE PRESIDENT LIED ABOUT A THING
577. 17:08PRESIDENT LIED ABOUT A THING ISN’T NEWS ANYMORE.
578. 17:09ISN’T NEWS ANYMORE. I KNOW, I KNOW,KY HEAR YOU
579. 17:11I KNOW, I KNOW,KY HEAR YOU THROUGH THE TV.
580. 17:12THROUGH THE TV. THAT MAY BE SO, THE PRESIDENT
581. 17:14THAT MAY BE SO, THE PRESIDENT LIES, IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, DOG
582. 17:17LIES, IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, DOG BITES MAN.
583. 17:17BITES MAN. IT MAY BE SO THAT’S NO LONGER
584. 17:21IT MAY BE SO THAT’S NO LONGER NEWS.
585. 17:21NEWS. GOD REST OUR SOULS FOR THAT.
586. 17:22GOD REST OUR SOULS FOR THAT. BUT IN THE CONTEXT OF A KEY
587. 17:24BUT IN THE CONTEXT OF A KEY MATTER THAT IS ACTIVELY UNDER
588. 17:26MATTER THAT IS ACTIVELY UNDER CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION,
589. 17:28CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION, CONCOCTING A FALSE PUBLIC
590. 17:30CONCOCTING A FALSE PUBLIC STATEMENT TO MISLEAD
591. 17:31STATEMENT TO MISLEAD INVESTIGATORS ABOUT THE NATURE
592. 17:32INVESTIGATORS ABOUT THE NATURE OF THAT INCIDENT, THAT ISN’T
593. 17:34OF THAT INCIDENT, THAT ISN’T JUST YOUR RUN OF THE MILL
594. 17:36JUST YOUR RUN OF THE MILL PRESIDENTIAL LIE, LEGALLY THAT
595. 17:37PRESIDENTIAL LIE, LEGALLY THAT COULD BE A PROBLEM.
596. 17:38COULD BE A PROBLEM. GO BACK TO ’74.
597. 17:39GO BACK TO ’74. GO BACK TO THE SUMMER OF ’74 FOR
598. 17:41GO BACK TO THE SUMMER OF ’74 FOR WHAT NIXON GOT IN TROUBLE WITH,
599. 17:42WHAT NIXON GOT IN TROUBLE WITH, RIGHT?
600. 17:44RIGHT? THE PRESIDENT JOINED AN ONGOING
601. 17:47THE PRESIDENT JOINED AN ONGOING CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY TO ON SFRUKT
602. 17:52CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY TO ON SFRUKT A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION,
603. 17:53A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION, INCLUDING MAKING FALSE
604. 17:54INCLUDING MAKING FALSE STATEMENTS AND DECLARATIONS.
605. 17:56STATEMENTS AND DECLARATIONS. AND WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY SEEN
606. 17:57AND WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY SEEN OUT IN PUBLIC, OPEN SOURCE
607. 17:59OUT IN PUBLIC, OPEN SOURCE REPORTING THAT THE PRESIDENT’S
608. 18:00REPORTING THAT THE PRESIDENT’S RUSSIA LAWYERS WENT PRIVATELY TO
609. 18:02RUSSIA LAWYERS WENT PRIVATELY TO TWO CRUCIAL FIGURES IN THE
610. 18:04TWO CRUCIAL FIGURES IN THE ONGOING INVESTIGATION, MIKE NINE
611. 18:07ONGOING INVESTIGATION, MIKE NINE AND PAUL MANAFORT, AND TALKED
612. 18:07AND PAUL MANAFORT, AND TALKED WITH THEIR LAWYERS ABOUT
613. 18:09WITH THEIR LAWYERS ABOUT POTENTIALLY RECEIVING PARDONS
614. 18:10POTENTIALLY RECEIVING PARDONS FROM THE PRESIDENT.
615. 18:11FROM THE PRESIDENT. THIS AT A TIME WHEN BOTH MEN
616. 18:13THIS AT A TIME WHEN BOTH MEN WERE ALREADY COOPERATING WITH OR
617. 18:14WERE ALREADY COOPERATING WITH OR CONSIDERING COOPERATING WITH
618. 18:17CONSIDERING COOPERATING WITH FEDERAL PROSECUTORS IN THEIR
619. 18:18FEDERAL PROSECUTORS IN THEIR INVESTIGATION OF THE PRESIDENT.
620. 18:20INVESTIGATION OF THE PRESIDENT. JUST TODAY, IN AN INTERVIEW, THE
621. 18:22JUST TODAY, IN AN INTERVIEW, THE PRESIDENT PUBLICLY FLOATED THE
622. 18:24PRESIDENT PUBLICLY FLOATED THE IDEA OF A PARDON FOR HIS
623. 18:29IDEA OF A PARDON FOR HIS CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN PAUL MANAFORT.
624. 18:31CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN PAUL MANAFORT. WHY WOULD I TAKE THIS OFF THE
625. 18:32WHY WOULD I TAKE THIS OFF THE TABLE?
626. 18:35TABLE? WITH THE PRESIDENT’S LAWYERS NOW
627. 18:37WITH THE PRESIDENT’S LAWYERS NOW BRAGGING TO "THE NEW YORK TIMES"
628. 18:38BRAGGING TO "THE NEW YORK TIMES" AS OF LAST NIGHT THAT WHILE
629. 18:40AS OF LAST NIGHT THAT WHILE MANAFORT WAS SUPPOSEDLY
630. 18:41MANAFORT WAS SUPPOSEDLY COOPERATING WITH THEM, THEY IN
631. 18:43COOPERATING WITH THEM, THEY IN FACT WERE ACTUALLY USING HIM AS
632. 18:46FACT WERE ACTUALLY USING HIM AS A SOURCE OF INTEL TO FIND OUT ON
633. 18:48A SOURCE OF INTEL TO FIND OUT ON BEHALF OF THE PRESIDENT WHAT WAS
634. 18:49BEHALF OF THE PRESIDENT WHAT WAS GOING ON INSIDE THE SPECIAL
635. 18:50GOING ON INSIDE THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S OFFICE, WHAT MUELLER’S
636. 18:52COUNSEL’S OFFICE, WHAT MUELLER’S PROSECUTORS WERE ASKING ABOUT
637. 18:53PROSECUTORS WERE ASKING ABOUT AND WHAT THEY WERE FOCUSING ON.
638. 18:57AND WHAT THEY WERE FOCUSING ON. AND WE’VE HEARD SOME OTHER
639. 19:00AND WE’VE HEARD SOME OTHER ELEMENTS OF THE PRESIDENT’S
640. 19:01ELEMENTS OF THE PRESIDENT’S BEHAVIOR THAT SOUND LIKE THIS
641. 19:03BEHAVIOR THAT SOUND LIKE THIS BEFORE, IT WAS REPORTED IN MARCH
642. 19:04BEFORE, IT WAS REPORTED IN MARCH BY "THE NEW YORK TIMES" THAT THE
643. 19:05BY "THE NEW YORK TIMES" THAT THE PRESIDENT ASKED A COUPLE OF
644. 19:07PRESIDENT ASKED A COUPLE OF OTHER KEY WITNESSES WHO SPENT A
645. 19:08OTHER KEY WITNESSES WHO SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH MUELLER’S
646. 19:10LOT OF TIME WITH MUELLER’S PROSECUTORS, DON McGHAN AND
647. 19:13PROSECUTORS, DON McGHAN AND REINCE PRIEBUS, FORMER WHITE
648. 19:14REINCE PRIEBUS, FORMER WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF.
649. 19:16HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF. "THE NEW YORK TIMES" REPORTED
650. 19:17"THE NEW YORK TIMES" REPORTED THAT THE PRESIDENT ASKED BOTH OF
651. 19:18THAT THE PRESIDENT ASKED BOTH OF THEM DETAILED QUESTIONS ABOUT
652. 19:20THEM DETAILED QUESTIONS ABOUT THEIR INTERACTIONS WITH THE
653. 19:22THEIR INTERACTIONS WITH THE SPECIAL COUNSEL TO TRY TO GLEAN
654. 19:23SPECIAL COUNSEL TO TRY TO GLEAN INFORMATION FROM THEM ABOUT THE
655. 19:24INFORMATION FROM THEM ABOUT THE STATUS OF THE INVESTIGATION.
656. 19:26STATUS OF THE INVESTIGATION. TALKING TO WITNESSES ABOUT THEIR
657. 19:29TALKING TO WITNESSES ABOUT THEIR TESTIMONY TO THE SPECIAL
658. 19:30TESTIMONY TO THE SPECIAL PROSECUTOR.
659. 19:32PROSECUTOR. BUT NOW, WITH THIS NEW
660. 19:35BUT NOW, WITH THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT WITH MANAFORT, NOW
661. 19:36DEVELOPMENT WITH MANAFORT, NOW THE PRESIDENT IS DOING THAT WITH
662. 19:37THE PRESIDENT IS DOING THAT WITH A CONVICTED FELON, TO WHOM HE’S
663. 19:40A CONVICTED FELON, TO WHOM HE’S OPENLY DANGLING A PARDON.
664. 19:43OPENLY DANGLING A PARDON. I MEAN, IF YOU HAD BEEN SEALED
665. 19:45I MEAN, IF YOU HAD BEEN SEALED IN A VAULT FOR THE LAST TWO
666. 19:47IN A VAULT FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS, AND YOU CAME OUT TODAY
667. 19:49YEARS, AND YOU CAME OUT TODAY AND SOMEBODY HANDED YOU THAT
668. 19:51AND SOMEBODY HANDED YOU THAT LITANY OF BASICALLY UNCONTESTED
669. 19:53LITANY OF BASICALLY UNCONTESTED DETAILED REPORTING AND EVIDENCE
670. 19:55DETAILED REPORTING AND EVIDENCE ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S EFFORTS TO
671. 19:57ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S EFFORTS TO OBSTRUCT THIS SERIOUS ONGOING
672. 19:59OBSTRUCT THIS SERIOUS ONGOING CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION INTO
673. 20:00CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION INTO HIMSELF AND HIS ADMINISTRATION
674. 20:01HIMSELF AND HIS ADMINISTRATION AND THIS CAMPAIGN, YOU WOULD
675. 20:02AND THIS CAMPAIGN, YOU WOULD THINK YOU WERE READING A
676. 20:05THINK YOU WERE READING A BOMBSHELL INDICTMENT, RIGHT?
677. 20:07BOMBSHELL INDICTMENT, RIGHT? THAT SIGNALED THE END OF A
678. 20:09THAT SIGNALED THE END OF A PRESIDENCY, OR AT LEAST THE
679. 20:10PRESIDENCY, OR AT LEAST THE MIDDLE OF IMPEACHMENT
680. 20:12MIDDLE OF IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS, RIGHT?
681. 20:13PROCEEDINGS, RIGHT? BUT INSTEAD THAT’S JUST THE
682. 20:14BUT INSTEAD THAT’S JUST THE PUBLIC RECORD.
683. 20:17PUBLIC RECORD. JUST PILED UP PIECE BY PIECE,
684. 20:18JUST PILED UP PIECE BY PIECE, WEEK AFTER WEEK, MONTH AFTER
685. 20:20WEEK AFTER WEEK, MONTH AFTER MONTH INTO WHAT HAS ENDED UP
686. 20:22MONTH INTO WHAT HAS ENDED UP INTO A REALLY BIG MOUNTAIN OF
687. 20:24INTO A REALLY BIG MOUNTAIN OF EVIDENCE JUST ON THE ISSUE OF
688. 20:26EVIDENCE JUST ON THE ISSUE OF OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE.
689. 20:27OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE. YOU DON’T REALIZE HOW BIG THE
690. 20:29YOU DON’T REALIZE HOW BIG THE MOUNTAIN IS UNTIL YOU REALIZE
691. 20:30MOUNTAIN IS UNTIL YOU REALIZE HOW FAR DOWN THE GROUND IS, BUT
692. 20:31HOW FAR DOWN THE GROUND IS, BUT WE’RE WAY UP HERE NOW.
693. 20:35WE’RE WAY UP HERE NOW. ON THE DAY AFTER THE MIDTERM
694. 20:37ON THE DAY AFTER THE MIDTERM ELECTION WHEN THE PRESIDENT
695. 20:38ELECTION WHEN THE PRESIDENT FIRED ATTORNEY GENERAL JEFF
696. 20:39FIRED ATTORNEY GENERAL JEFF SESSIONS AND INSTALLED MATT
697. 20:42SESSIONS AND INSTALLED MATT WHITAKER IN HIS PLACE, HE
698. 20:44WHITAKER IN HIS PLACE, HE ADMITTED ALMOST INSTANTLY IN AN
699. 20:45ADMITTED ALMOST INSTANTLY IN AN INTERVIEW WITH THE DAILY CALLER
700. 20:47INTERVIEW WITH THE DAILY CALLER HE PUT MATT WHITAKER THERE
701. 20:49HE PUT MATT WHITAKER THERE BECAUSE OF THE RUSSIA
702. 20:51BECAUSE OF THE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION.
703. 20:54INVESTIGATION. THERE AROSEMEAD IMMEDIATE CONCER
704. 20:56THERE AROSEMEAD IMMEDIATE CONCER THAT HE WOULD SHUT DOWN THE
705. 20:57THAT HE WOULD SHUT DOWN THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION, JUST
706. 20:58MUELLER INVESTIGATION, JUST QUESTION OF WHEN AND HOW AND HOW
707. 21:00QUESTION OF WHEN AND HOW AND HOW MUCH WE WOULD KNOW ABOUT IT.
708. 21:02MUCH WE WOULD KNOW ABOUT IT. SHORTLY THEREAFTER, SOMEBODY
709. 21:03SHORTLY THEREAFTER, SOMEBODY REALLY INTERESTING RAN A REALLY
710. 21:05REALLY INTERESTING RAN A REALLY INTERESTING FLAG UP THE
711. 21:08INTERESTING FLAG UP THE PROVERBIAL FLAGPOLE.
712. 21:12PROVERBIAL FLAGPOLE. JAMES BAKER PUBLISHED A PIECE
713. 21:14JAMES BAKER PUBLISHED A PIECE WHICH DREW ATTENTION TO A REALLY
714. 21:17WHICH DREW ATTENTION TO A REALLY SPECIFIC PART OF THE LEGAL
715. 21:19SPECIFIC PART OF THE LEGAL PRECEDENT OF PRESIDENTIAL
716. 21:20PRECEDENT OF PRESIDENTIAL CRIMINAL MISBEHAVIOR HERE.
717. 21:22CRIMINAL MISBEHAVIOR HERE. SPECIFICALLY ABOUT WHAT NIXON
718. 21:25SPECIFICALLY ABOUT WHAT NIXON DID.
719. 21:26DID. PART OF NIXON’S CRIMINAL HISTORY
720. 21:28PART OF NIXON’S CRIMINAL HISTORY IS HE DID USE CONTACT WITH THE
721. 21:29IS HE DID USE CONTACT WITH THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT TO SPY ON THE
722. 21:31JUSTICE DEPARTMENT TO SPY ON THE INVESTIGATION.
723. 21:33INVESTIGATION. PART OF THE WAY NIXON DID THAT
724. 21:35PART OF THE WAY NIXON DID THAT WAS HIS FREQUENT CONTACT WITH A
725. 21:37WAS HIS FREQUENT CONTACT WITH A MAN WHO WAS THEN THE HEAD OF THE
726. 21:39MAN WHO WAS THEN THE HEAD OF THE CRIMINAL DIVISION AT THE JUSTICE
727. 21:40CRIMINAL DIVISION AT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT.
728. 21:41DEPARTMENT. HIS MEETINGS WITH HENRY
729. 21:42HIS MEETINGS WITH HENRY PETERSON, HIS REPEATED CALLS
730. 21:44PETERSON, HIS REPEATED CALLS WITH PETERSON, HE EXTRACTED KEY
731. 21:46WITH PETERSON, HE EXTRACTED KEY INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING
732. 21:46INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON IN WATERGATE, WHAT WAS GOING
733. 21:48ON IN WATERGATE, WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH KEY WITNESSES BEFORE THE
734. 21:50ON WITH KEY WITNESSES BEFORE THE GRAND JURY, AND NIXON DID THAT,
735. 21:52GRAND JURY, AND NIXON DID THAT, SO HE AND HIS LEGAL TEAM COULD
736. 21:55SO HE AND HIS LEGAL TEAM COULD STRATEGIZE AROUND IT.
737. 21:56STRATEGIZE AROUND IT. RIGHT NOW THERE ARE CONCERNS
738. 21:58RIGHT NOW THERE ARE CONCERNS WHETHER MATT WHITAKER IS PLAYING
739. 22:00WHETHER MATT WHITAKER IS PLAYING THAT ROLE FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP.
740. 22:03THAT ROLE FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP. IT WAS PROVOCATIVE FOR JAMES
741. 22:06IT WAS PROVOCATIVE FOR JAMES BAKER, ENOUGH TO PUBLISH THAT
742. 22:08BAKER, ENOUGH TO PUBLISH THAT PIECE, RIGHT AFTER MATT WHITAKER
743. 22:12PIECE, RIGHT AFTER MATT WHITAKER WAS NAMED.
744. 22:13WAS NAMED. THIS IS BAKER POINTING OUT THAT,
745. 22:15THIS IS BAKER POINTING OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN NIXON USED THE
746. 22:17YOU KNOW, WHEN NIXON USED THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL AS A
747. 22:19JUSTICE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL AS A BACK CHANNEL OF INFORMATION AND
748. 22:21BACK CHANNEL OF INFORMATION AND INTEL THAT TARGETED HIM, THAT
749. 22:22INTEL THAT TARGETED HIM, THAT WAS TREATED AS AN IMPEACHABLE
750. 22:25WAS TREATED AS AN IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE FOR THAT PRESIDENT.
751. 22:28OFFENSE FOR THAT PRESIDENT. AND THIS IS A VERY LIVE ISSUE.
752. 22:31AND THIS IS A VERY LIVE ISSUE. WHETHER MATT WHITAKER RIGHT NOW
753. 22:32WHETHER MATT WHITAKER RIGHT NOW IS BACK CHANNELING INFORMATION
754. 22:33IS BACK CHANNELING INFORMATION ABOUT THE INVESTIGATION TO
755. 22:35ABOUT THE INVESTIGATION TO PRESIDENT TRUMP.
756. 22:35PRESIDENT TRUMP. HOW WE’LL FIND OUT ABOUT IT, IF
757. 22:38HOW WE’LL FIND OUT ABOUT IT, IF THAT’S HAPPENING, WHO WILL
758. 22:40THAT’S HAPPENING, WHO WILL COLLECT EVIDENCE OF THAT, WHO
759. 22:42COLLECT EVIDENCE OF THAT, WHO WILL PROSECUTE IT, IF IT IS
760. 22:45WILL PROSECUTE IT, IF IT IS PROVEN, WHICH IS MADE ALL THE
761. 22:46PROVEN, WHICH IS MADE ALL THE MORE COMPLICATED, ALL THE MORE
762. 22:48MORE COMPLICATED, ALL THE MORE URGENT BY THE PROSPECT THAT MATT
763. 22:51URGENT BY THE PROSPECT THAT MATT WHITAKER MAY NOT JUST BE
764. 22:53WHITAKER MAY NOT JUST BE PROVIDING INTELLIGENCE TO THE
765. 22:54PROVIDING INTELLIGENCE TO THE WHITE HOUSE, HE MAY BE
766. 22:56WHITE HOUSE, HE MAY BE THROTTLING THE INVESTIGATION
767. 22:57THROTTLING THE INVESTIGATION SECRETLY RIGHT NOW FROM INSIDE
768. 22:58SECRETLY RIGHT NOW FROM INSIDE THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, AND HOW
769. 22:59THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, AND HOW WOULD WE KNOW ABOUT THAT?
770. 23:02WOULD WE KNOW ABOUT THAT? ON TOP OF THAT, WITHIN THE LAST
771. 23:07ON TOP OF THAT, WITHIN THE LAST 4
772. 23:074 24 HOURS WE HAVE EVIDENCE THAT
773. 23:1024 HOURS WE HAVE EVIDENCE THAT THE PRESIDENT, THIS IS
774. 23:11THE PRESIDENT, THIS IS CONFIRMED, UNCONTESTED, THAT HE
775. 23:14CONFIRMED, UNCONTESTED, THAT HE HAS ANOTHER ONGOING SOURCE OF
776. 23:15HAS ANOTHER ONGOING SOURCE OF INFORMATION FROM INSIDE THE
777. 23:17INFORMATION FROM INSIDE THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION, NAMELY
778. 23:18MUELLER INVESTIGATION, NAMELY HIS NORMER CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN,
779. 23:20HIS NORMER CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN, PAUL MANAFORT.
780. 23:21PAUL MANAFORT. THIS REVELATION THAT HIS FORMER
781. 23:23THIS REVELATION THAT HIS FORMER CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN, WHO IS
782. 23:25CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN, WHO IS SUPPOSEDLY COOPERATING, HAS BEEN
783. 23:27SUPPOSEDLY COOPERATING, HAS BEEN EFFECTIVELY FUNCTIONING AS A SPY
784. 23:28EFFECTIVELY FUNCTIONING AS A SPY FOR TRUMP’S DEFENSE.
785. 23:31FOR TRUMP’S DEFENSE. INSIDE THE PROSECUTION.
786. 23:34INSIDE THE PROSECUTION. THAT IS OBVIOUSLY BLOWING UP THE
787. 23:37THAT IS OBVIOUSLY BLOWING UP THE CRIMINAL CASE THAT INVOLVES PAUL
788. 23:38CRIMINAL CASE THAT INVOLVES PAUL MANAFORT, BUT IT ALSO MEANS THE
789. 23:40MANAFORT, BUT IT ALSO MEANS THE PRESIDENT AND HIS LEGAL TEAM ARE
790. 23:42PRESIDENT AND HIS LEGAL TEAM ARE NOW ADMITTING OUT LOUD, IN
791. 23:45NOW ADMITTING OUT LOUD, IN PUBLIC, THAT THEY ARE COLLUDING
792. 23:46PUBLIC, THAT THEY ARE COLLUDING WITH A CONVICTED FELON TO GAIN
793. 23:50WITH A CONVICTED FELON TO GAIN INTELLIGENCE ON THE PROSECUTION,
794. 23:53INTELLIGENCE ON THE PROSECUTION, BASICALLY IN ORDER TO DISCREDIT
795. 23:55BASICALLY IN ORDER TO DISCREDIT AND OUTMANEUVER THOSE
796. 23:57AND OUTMANEUVER THOSE PROSECUTORS WHO ARE
797. 23:58PROSECUTORS WHO ARE INVESTIGATING THE PRESIDENT.
798. 23:58INVESTIGATING THE PRESIDENT. THEY ARE OPENLY ADMITTING IT.
799. 24:01THEY ARE OPENLY ADMITTING IT. WHICH WOULD BE A MASSIVE EXPOSE
800. 24:03WHICH WOULD BE A MASSIVE EXPOSE IF IT WERE UNVEILED AS AN
801. 24:08IF IT WERE UNVEILED AS AN EXPOSE.
802. 24:08EXPOSE. BUT RIGHT NOW IT’S JUST ONE MORE
803. 24:10BUT RIGHT NOW IT’S JUST ONE MORE ROCK ON TOP OF THE MOUNTAIN.
804. 24:13ROCK ON TOP OF THE MOUNTAIN. IT DOES MEAN FOR ONCE, WE MIGHT
805. 24:16IT DOES MEAN FOR ONCE, WE MIGHT BE IN TRULY UNPRECEDENTED LEGAL
806. 24:20BE IN TRULY UNPRECEDENTED LEGAL TERRITORY, RIGHT?
807. 24:21TERRITORY, RIGHT? I MEAN, NIXON GOT A BACK CHANNEL
808. 24:23I MEAN, NIXON GOT A BACK CHANNEL INTO THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, WE
809. 24:24INTO THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, WE KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT
810. 24:26KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT NIXON DID.
811. 24:27NIXON DID. NIXON DIDN’T USE A CONVICTED
812. 24:29NIXON DIDN’T USE A CONVICTED FELON IN THE MIDDLE OF HIS
813. 24:31FELON IN THE MIDDLE OF HIS CRIMINAL CASE, THAT’S HIS BACK
814. 24:33CRIMINAL CASE, THAT’S HIS BACK CHANNEL.
815. 24:34CHANNEL. WE HAVE NOW, BETWEEN WHAT WE
816. 24:35WE HAVE NOW, BETWEEN WHAT WE LEARNED IN THE ’70s ABOUT NIXON,
817. 24:39LEARNED IN THE ’70s ABOUT NIXON, WE HAVE ALL THE EVIDENCE ABOUT
818. 24:41WE HAVE ALL THE EVIDENCE ABOUT WHAT NIXON DID AND IT’S
819. 24:43WHAT NIXON DID AND IT’S STAGGERING.
820. 24:43STAGGERING. BUT EVEN NIXON NEVER DID
821. 24:45BUT EVEN NIXON NEVER DID ANYTHING LIKE THIS.
822. 24:49ANYTHING LIKE THIS. AND SO IF THIS IS ALL HAPPENING
823. 24:50AND SO IF THIS IS ALL HAPPENING IN PLAIN SIGHT RIGHT NOW, HOW
824. 24:52IN PLAIN SIGHT RIGHT NOW, HOW DOES IT GET FIXED?
825. 24:53DOES IT GET FIXED? AND BY WHOM?
826. 24:54AND BY WHOM? AND WHAT ARE THE BIGGEST RISKS