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  1. 0:20Welcome to Hope Sabbath School, an
  2. 0:22in-depth interactive study of the word
  3. 0:24of God. It's a Bible study for everyone.
  4. 0:26We're glad you're part of our Hope
  5. 0:28Sabbath School family. Maybe you're here
  6. 0:30for the first time. We're in a series of
  7. 0:33letters to new Christians. You say,
  8. 0:36"Hmm, well, there was a
  9. 0:39former adversary of the Christian faith
  10. 0:42named Saul of Tarsus who became a
  11. 0:44follower of Jesus and and wrote half of
  12. 0:47the books of the New Testament. And he
  13. 0:50has a special message for new Christians
  14. 0:53writing to the church in Corinth. That's
  15. 0:55what we're studying right now. If you
  16. 0:57miss miss the first two parts of our
  17. 0:59series, you can go to our website
  18. 1:01hopetv.org/hopess
  19. 1:04or go to our YouTube channel and you can
  20. 1:06watch part one and two. Today, unity in
  21. 1:10Christ. You see, we'll discover that
  22. 1:13when we come together as new Christians
  23. 1:15and maybe older ones, too, we don't
  24. 1:17always agree. So, how can we experience
  25. 1:20that oneness that God wants for us?
  26. 1:23That's our topic today. And I'm excited
  27. 1:25because one of our team members, Sabina,
  28. 1:28is going to be leading our study today.
  29. 1:30Always enjoy that. And look at the team,
  30. 1:32you look great. We're glad you're here.
  31. 1:34And and we're always blessed as we hear
  32. 1:36from
  33. 1:37Hope Sabbath School members around the
  34. 1:38world, aren't we? And we're glad that
  35. 1:40you write to us sshope.hopetv.org.
  36. 1:44You say, "Well, I haven't written
  37. 1:45recently." Well, write. Tell us how God
  38. 1:48is blessing you through a study of his
  39. 1:50word. Here is a note from Madeline in
  40. 1:53Vanuatu.
  41. 1:55How many of you would like to go and
  42. 1:56visit
  43. 1:58Madeline in Vanuatu? Well, they had a
  44. 2:00terrible storm some years ago right hit
  45. 2:02the island damaged a
  46. 2:04great portion of the island. But anyway,
  47. 2:07greetings to you in the name of our good
  48. 2:09Lord. Right from that line so she's a
  49. 2:12Christian.
  50. 2:13You are all God's messengers and you
  51. 2:16bring hope to the world each day each
  52. 2:18week.
  53. 2:19Thank you for your faithfulness in
  54. 2:22bringing hope to someone out there who
  55. 2:25may be struggling with life.
  56. 2:27You bring hope through God's word and
  57. 2:30light to them.
  58. 2:31It's from an island in the South Pacific
  59. 2:33she writes.
  60. 2:36Thank you for your ministry reaching out
  61. 2:38to the unreached and bringing hope to
  62. 2:41the hopeless.
  63. 2:43Well, Madeline thanks for writing to us
  64. 2:45from Vanuatu. We're happy to hear from
  65. 2:48you.
  66. 2:49Jean writes from Canada
  67. 2:52and caught my attention. Actually, I
  68. 2:54think it was a feedback posted on our
  69. 2:56YouTube channel. We're approaching
  70. 2:58150,000
  71. 3:00subscribers just on our YouTube channel.
  72. 3:04I was 13 years old writes Jean. My
  73. 3:07sister Joyce was 16 years old when we
  74. 3:11were cast out from our home because we
  75. 3:14decided to become followers of Jesus.
  76. 3:19Jean thanks for writing to us from
  77. 3:21Canada. 13 and her sister was 16.
  78. 3:25Here's the last sentence.
  79. 3:28I am now 89 and my sister is 92 and
  80. 3:32we're still living for Jesus.
  81. 3:35Well, Jean [laughter]
  82. 3:37thanks for writing to us.
  83. 3:39Oh, I love to hear from 10-year-olds
  84. 3:41watching Hope Sabbath School and
  85. 3:4389-year-olds.
  86. 3:45But but that's a testimony, isn't it?
  87. 3:47Thrown out of your home for being a
  88. 3:48follower of Jesus and
  89. 3:50>> [snorts]
  90. 3:50>> and we're still walking with him. Praise
  91. 3:52God for that. Here is a handwritten note
  92. 3:56from a donor couple in Florida.
  93. 3:59>> Okay.
  94. 3:59>> And the couple write and say, "Greetings
  95. 4:02to the Hope Sabbath School team.
  96. 4:05>> Greetings.
  97. 4:05>> May the Lord continue to bless your
  98. 4:07ministry
  99. 4:09and the contributions made by the team.
  100. 4:12Hope Sabbath School has been has and is
  101. 4:16a fabulous spiritual resource for me
  102. 4:20over the years.
  103. 4:22Enclosed, please find a donation to help
  104. 4:26with this ministry. May the Lord
  105. 4:28continue to bless the Hope Sabbath
  106. 4:31School family.
  107. 4:32I look forward to seeing all of you in
  108. 4:34heaven."
  109. 4:37And a donation of $4,300.
  110. 4:40>> Praise God. Praise God.
  111. 4:42>> Well, I just want to say thank you,
  112. 4:44donor couple. You know who you are and
  113. 4:47and praise God that you're blessed, but
  114. 4:49thank you that you're also a blessing
  115. 4:52by joining in this great miracle of
  116. 4:54sharing a message of eternal hope with
  117. 4:56the world. Now, friend, if you'd like to
  118. 4:58help, you said, "Derek, I've thought
  119. 4:59about helping, too."
  120. 5:01You can go to our website,
  121. 5:02hopetv.org/hopess
  122. 5:06and you can click on the donate button
  123. 5:08or get an address and send a note to us.
  124. 5:11I just want to say thank you to each one
  125. 5:12of you for your support and for your
  126. 5:15prayers. One last note from K in
  127. 5:18Michigan and she writes
  128. 5:21on our YouTube channel.
  129. 5:23"Blessings, Hope Sabbath School team.
  130. 5:26I was introduced to Hope Sabbath School
  131. 5:28by my mom.
  132. 5:31We would watch Hope Sabbath School with
  133. 5:34our evening meal
  134. 5:36and we enjoyed the scripture songs, too.
  135. 5:40She would ask if Travis was on the
  136. 5:42panel."
  137. 5:43>> [laughter]
  138. 5:44>> Well, Travis, you better give a wave to
  139. 5:45K in Michigan.
  140. 5:48Uh Travis lives in Michigan, just in
  141. 5:50case you folks didn't know.
  142. 5:53She went to sleep in Jesus, uh
  143. 5:56just before she turned 100 years of age.
  144. 5:58That's Mom.
  145. 6:00I've continued watching Hope Sabbath
  146. 6:02School, and we say Praise God.
  147. 6:05I appreciate your in-depth interactive
  148. 6:08study. I learned so much. And now I
  149. 6:11share Hope Sabbath School with a lady
  150. 6:13who was recently baptized.
  151. 6:17May God bless you all, Kay. Well, Kay,
  152. 6:19thanks for writing to us, and thank you.
  153. 6:22I know your mom, on the resurrection
  154. 6:24day, when you say, "Mom, I shared with
  155. 6:26someone else, and they decided to spend
  156. 6:29eternity with God, too." That your mom
  157. 6:31will use my favorite Hebrew word,
  158. 6:33"Hallelujah."
  159. 6:35Well, we've got some resources for you.
  160. 6:37Don't forget to go to our website, click
  161. 6:39on the free gift for you tab. There's a
  162. 6:42wonderful resource about the Apostle
  163. 6:45Paul, a lot of his life and ministry.
  164. 6:47It's called The Acts of the Apostles.
  165. 6:49You can download a digital copy of that,
  166. 6:52and I know that will be a blessing. You
  167. 6:54can download our theme song, Psalm 92.
  168. 6:58Uh you can download the outline. Have
  169. 7:00you learned the theme song yet? Um I
  170. 7:02love it. It says, "It's good to give
  171. 7:04thanks to the Lord." Psalm 92. Let's
  172. 7:06sing it together.
  173. 7:17>> It [singing] is good to [music] give
  174. 7:18thanks to the Lord, and to sing
  175. 7:22praises [music] to your name. [singing]
  176. 7:24It is good to give thanks to the Lord,
  177. 7:28and to sing
  178. 7:29praises to your [singing] name, oh
  179. 7:32>> [music]
  180. 7:33>> most high,
  181. 7:34oh
  182. 7:35>> [singing]
  183. 7:35>> most high.
  184. 7:39To declare your loving
  185. 7:40[music and singing] kindness in the
  186. 7:42and your faithfulness
  187. 7:44every night. On an instrument of ten
  188. 7:48>> [music]
  189. 7:49>> strings, on the lute
  190. 7:50>> [singing]
  191. 7:51>> and on the harp
  192. 7:53with
  193. 7:55harmonious [singing]
  194. 7:57>> [music]
  195. 8:00>> sound. For you, oh Lord, [singing] have
  196. 8:02made me glad,
  197. 8:04made me glad
  198. 8:06through your work. [music and singing]
  199. 8:08I will triumph in the works, in the
  200. 8:12[singing] works
  201. 8:14of your hands,
  202. 8:15oh
  203. 8:16>> [music]
  204. 8:17>> Most High,
  205. 8:18oh Most High.
  206. 8:21>> [singing]
  207. 8:23>> You know, not all of the Psalms were
  208. 8:24written by David, but he did play the
  209. 8:26instrument of ten strings and the lute,
  210. 8:28right? It's kind of like a guitar turned
  211. 8:31upright, and uh
  212. 8:34what a beautiful thing it is to praise
  213. 8:35God. Well, we're going to praise God.
  214. 8:37Sabina, as you lead our study today on
  215. 8:39unity in Christ.
  216. 8:40>> Amen. Looking forward to that.
  217. 8:44Uh it is indeed something that makes us
  218. 8:46very glad to be here. Amen. Just like
  219. 8:48David is saying, so are we glad. I hope
  220. 8:52that you who are watching us, that
  221. 8:53you're also going to experience the
  222. 8:55gladness of studying the word of God
  223. 8:58with us today. God bless you as you go
  224. 9:00pick up your Bible.
  225. 9:02Be ready to be glad. Amen.
  226. 9:05Friends, let us pray as we start off.
  227. 9:09Our heavenly Father, how wonderful are
  228. 9:11your works indeed. As we just sang, we
  229. 9:14are glad to be here. You are the Most
  230. 9:17High God. You've invited us into a
  231. 9:19relationship with you. And now look at
  232. 9:21us. We have the opportunity of sharing
  233. 9:25of those works with so many people out
  234. 9:28there who are also thirsty and hungry
  235. 9:30for you.
  236. 9:31I pray that your Holy Spirit is going to
  237. 9:34be impressing our hearts and our minds
  238. 9:37and as we record and at the time when
  239. 9:40our listeners will be, you know,
  240. 9:42participating with us when watching this
  241. 9:44lesson and that we are going to grow in
  242. 9:47learning more of who you are and who you
  243. 9:49want us to be as we continue this
  244. 9:51journey in love in you, God. I pray all
  245. 9:55those things in the powerful name of
  246. 9:57Jesus. Amen.
  247. 9:59>> Amen.
  248. 10:00>> Okay, so we've been in this journey.
  249. 10:03This is already our third lesson in this
  250. 10:05series and we've been studying about
  251. 10:08these two special letters that the
  252. 10:11Apostle Paul wrote under the inspiration
  253. 10:13of the Holy Spirit to the people in the
  254. 10:16cities in the city of Corinth in the
  255. 10:19ancient city of Corinth that nowadays
  256. 10:22stays in
  257. 10:23in which area of the world?
  258. 10:25>> Greece.
  259. 10:25>> Greece, very much. Thank you.
  260. 10:28So, as we start off this study,
  261. 10:31our topic today, my friends, is about
  262. 10:34unity in Christ. And we're going to be
  263. 10:37looking at some of the,
  264. 10:39you know, challenges and difficulties
  265. 10:41that the people in this, you know, new
  266. 10:43church in Corinth were
  267. 10:46facing
  268. 10:47as they journeyed together in the new
  269. 10:50faith that they had just acquired. And
  270. 10:52that makes me think about, you know, my
  271. 10:54upbringing. I grew up in Brazil in São
  272. 10:56Paulo. It's a very big city, very
  273. 10:58cosmopolitan, people from all over the
  274. 11:00world. And since God called me into
  275. 11:02full-time ministries, I had to move a
  276. 11:05lot from place to place. So, I've lived
  277. 11:08in Uganda and then eventually I had to
  278. 11:10move and I lived in Italy. Eventually,
  279. 11:13from Italy I moved to Washington, D.C.
  280. 11:16And in the US, I still moved to a couple
  281. 11:18different states and I moved to Canada
  282. 11:21and I'm living in California. There are
  283. 11:23so many places that I've been that God
  284. 11:25led me to.
  285. 11:26And you know, there is something very
  286. 11:28special about moving around. You get to
  287. 11:30know new people, but there is something
  288. 11:32challenging also is because there's
  289. 11:34always a lot of newness. Not only
  290. 11:36newness of language, but newness of
  291. 11:38people and you need to learn their
  292. 11:40culture and they need to learn you. And
  293. 11:42those things they can come sometimes
  294. 11:46more easily and sometimes with bumps in
  295. 11:48the road. So it's normal to be new to
  296. 11:51experiences and God wants us to grow and
  297. 11:53be new to experiences. But there is
  298. 11:55wisdom in looking to the word of God of
  299. 11:58how can we better find a path in the
  300. 12:01newness of experiences. Amen. That God
  301. 12:03can help us. And that will have to do a
  302. 12:06lot with what the experience was in the
  303. 12:08church of Corinth. So to start us off, I
  304. 12:11wonder if Mighty, if you can take us to
  305. 12:13the
  306. 12:15first episode of Corinth and you read
  307. 12:17for us chapter 1 verse 10. And I want us
  308. 12:21to be thinking already of what's the
  309. 12:22appeal that Paul makes at the beginning
  310. 12:25of this letter.
  311. 12:26>> Yes, and I'll be reading from the New
  312. 12:28American Standard Bible.
  313. 12:30And it says,
  314. 12:32"Now I exhort you, brethren, by the name
  315. 12:35of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all
  316. 12:37agree and that there be no divisions
  317. 12:40among you,
  318. 12:41but that you be made complete in the
  319. 12:43same mind and in the same judgment."
  320. 12:47>> Okay, thank you so much. So what is it
  321. 12:49that you see here, friends? What is the
  322. 12:52appeal of Apostle Paul to this new
  323. 12:54forming church?
  324. 12:55>> Yes.
  325. 12:56>> It's to come together, which suggests
  326. 12:58that they're all just scattered around
  327. 13:00making different groups and just
  328. 13:02divided.
  329. 13:03>> That's right, Alex. Seems like there is
  330. 13:05a strong appeal right in the beginning
  331. 13:06here for them to be together. Yes, Ryan.
  332. 13:09>> Well, I see him calling for unity, but
  333. 13:11not unanimity. I see him calling for
  334. 13:14them to be united in Jesus, but that
  335. 13:16doesn't mean that we always agree on
  336. 13:17everything, but we do agree on the major
  337. 13:19things, which is that Jesus is first and
  338. 13:21then you second and myself last.
  339. 13:24>> Thank you, Ryan. So I wonder if Orate,
  340. 13:27if you can take us to the next passage
  341. 13:29here in 1 Corinthians chapter 1 verses
  342. 13:3212 and 13. And we're going to be, you
  343. 13:34know, finding a little bit more why is
  344. 13:36it that this is important to Paul this
  345. 13:38theme of unity.
  346. 13:41>> I will be reading from the King James
  347. 13:42Version 1 Corinthians 1 verses 12 and
  348. 13:4513. It says, "Now this I say that every
  349. 13:48one of you sayeth, I am of Paul and I of
  350. 13:52Apollos and I of Cephas and I of Christ.
  351. 13:56Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified
  352. 13:59for you? Or were you baptized in the
  353. 14:01name of Paul?"
  354. 14:03>> Mhm, thank you. So, friends, why does it
  355. 14:07seem like this was an important topic to
  356. 14:10Paul? Yes, Scott.
  357. 14:12>> You know, I think it's kind of part of
  358. 14:15human nature to separate ourselves into
  359. 14:17different groups. And whether it's
  360. 14:19different ways of thinking or different
  361. 14:21origins or whatever it may be, we we
  362. 14:23naturally divide ourselves into
  363. 14:25in-groups and out-groups. And I think
  364. 14:29what he's saying is like, "No, we're
  365. 14:30supposed to be all unified as Christians
  366. 14:33in Christ. We're all part of that one
  367. 14:35group, the group of Christians." And
  368. 14:38it can be
  369. 14:40it can really undermine our
  370. 14:41effectiveness as Christians if we so
  371. 14:44strongly
  372. 14:46identify with one single group that we
  373. 14:48damage our relationships with people who
  374. 14:50are from some other group.
  375. 14:51>> Okay, so the you know, human
  376. 14:54inclination, the humans they like to be
  377. 14:58cliques. So, you see that as a reason
  378. 14:59why Paul would go there. Yes, Travis. I
  379. 15:03say I see you have something.
  380. 15:04>> Well, just because I've experienced this
  381. 15:06in my life, you know. And of course, I'm
  382. 15:08not going to say names. That's not what
  383. 15:10this is about, but it is, you know, we
  384. 15:12have talked to different people groups.
  385. 15:14My pastor said and this person and that
  386. 15:17and the reference is always a human
  387. 15:18being and that's what's happening here.
  388. 15:20The reference the human being this human
  389. 15:22said this and this human believes this
  390. 15:24and
  391. 15:25and
  392. 15:26and then the text goes on to say, "Is
  393. 15:28Christ divided?" But what really matters
  394. 15:30is what does Jesus say? And if we're
  395. 15:32focused on what Jesus says and who Jesus
  396. 15:35is,
  397. 15:36>> [snorts]
  398. 15:36>> we will by nature draw close together
  399. 15:39and be perfectly joined together.
  400. 15:41>> Okay, and I love that you brought out
  401. 15:43this this topic. There there's two
  402. 15:45humans there he's talking about. One
  403. 15:47human is his own self.
  404. 15:48>> Yeah.
  405. 15:49>> Right? And then he's mentioning another
  406. 15:50human also, Apollos, right? So he's
  407. 15:53mentioning other names here. So
  408. 15:57"I am of Apollos, I am of Cephas, I am
  409. 16:01of Paul, or I am of Christ." So there
  410. 16:03seems like some of those divisions they
  411. 16:05were happening around leadership.
  412. 16:08>> Mhm.
  413. 16:08>> Right? So who are the leaders that they
  414. 16:10were turning to?
  415. 16:11>> Mhm.
  416. 16:11>> Zindzi, did you have your hand up?
  417. 16:13>> Uh I did. I was going to say that it it
  418. 16:16was interesting to me with the history
  419. 16:20of the Corinth that it was a city full
  420. 16:22of philosophers and teachers and people
  421. 16:25coming to teach. And because of that,
  422. 16:27the people in general were identifying
  423. 16:30with certain teachers. And when they
  424. 16:32came into the church, they also brought
  425. 16:34in their culture of the what they used
  426. 16:36to do and started identifying with Paul,
  427. 16:39with Apollos, with Cephas. To say, if we
  428. 16:42are not careful as well,
  429. 16:44even as Christians, we will start
  430. 16:45identifying with certain groups because
  431. 16:48of our certain beliefs or because of our
  432. 16:51loyalty to individuals rather than
  433. 16:53Christ.
  434. 16:53>> Right. And we see that happening overall
  435. 16:55in life, right? So people they gravitate
  436. 16:58towards ideas, towards leaders, towards,
  437. 17:01you know, things that they can relate
  438. 17:02better with. But what about in the
  439. 17:04church? You know, I'm wondering here,
  440. 17:06why is it for so easy for cliques to
  441. 17:09form in churches? Yes, all right.
  442. 17:12>> I think it goes back to the human
  443. 17:14nature.
  444. 17:15As was stated before, we as humans like
  445. 17:18to congregate into groups that we
  446. 17:21that we are familiar with. And so and
  447. 17:24you see here in in
  448. 17:26the specific situation here that was
  449. 17:28happening in Corinth, that unfortunately
  450. 17:30instead of the church rallying around
  451. 17:33the gospel, the devil had was able to
  452. 17:36use that same division that he did from
  453. 17:39the Garden of Eden and from even when he
  454. 17:40was in heaven to try and separate and
  455. 17:43sow division. And so I think a lot of
  456. 17:45the times when we see certain
  457. 17:47discussions happening on certain
  458. 17:50religious issues, it might be that it is
  459. 17:53that the discussion is actually okay,
  460. 17:54but then is it going to lead to division
  461. 17:56that is going to cause us not to
  462. 17:58actually come together and be as a whole
  463. 18:00or is it going to drive us apart?
  464. 18:02>> Okay, so if I heard you well, it seems
  465. 18:06like beyond just like some ideological
  466. 18:09perspective or cultural change, there is
  467. 18:11also a spiritual element, right? I think
  468. 18:13you brought that up very well. So this
  469. 18:15is not just about ideas, but there seems
  470. 18:18like there is also powers and forces to
  471. 18:20be that might not be willing us to be
  472. 18:23agreeable, right?
  473. 18:25I see many hands up. So what about
  474. 18:28Mighty goes first and then I want to
  475. 18:29take their comment as well.
  476. 18:32>> Oh, just to kind of piggyback by by what
  477. 18:34Orry was saying is that
  478. 18:36the aspect of human nature that wants to
  479. 18:37belong in groups per se, that's not a
  480. 18:40desire that is wrong, but is it that
  481. 18:42Christ wants us to expand who we
  482. 18:45consider that group to be. I just
  483. 18:47kind of think back to when I was in
  484. 18:49school that because as you read in the
  485. 18:51Corinthians, this kind of attitude is
  486. 18:52kind of nature is same thing that we
  487. 18:54experience today. We just form cliques,
  488. 18:56right? There's different groups that you
  489. 18:57would join based on whatever kind of
  490. 18:59identity that you most resonates with
  491. 19:01you. But what we tend to forget is that
  492. 19:04we're all in the same school.
  493. 19:06Right? We're in the school of Christ.
  494. 19:08And so if we think expand our minds to
  495. 19:10be like, "Hey, I'm not just part of this
  496. 19:11clique or that clique, but we all are
  497. 19:13one." If another school comes to
  498. 19:15challenge us, we have to band together
  499. 19:17as a school. You know, if we kind of
  500. 19:19think back to when there's like, you
  501. 19:20know, two teams playing against each
  502. 19:21other and you're supporting your school,
  503. 19:23supporting your group, your side. That
  504. 19:25as, you know, when we think about it in
  505. 19:27the spiritual sense, that we're all part
  506. 19:28of the school of Christ and that we all
  507. 19:30support each other even though and
  508. 19:31embrace our diversities that we have
  509. 19:33amongst each other. And hey, we're part
  510. 19:35of the same team, part of the same
  511. 19:36group, and we should, you know, band
  512. 19:38with each other.
  513. 19:40>> Okay, so challenges in the church for a
  514. 19:43spiritual reasons, maybe a hard time
  515. 19:46just to, you know, see each other as
  516. 19:49belonging to the same school, the school
  517. 19:51of Christ. We're all growing, no matter
  518. 19:53the differences we we might have. Yes,
  519. 19:56Derek.
  520. 19:56>> So,
  521. 19:58I think that the cliques or little
  522. 20:00groups form everywhere, not just in
  523. 20:02churches, in in sports clubs, and in in
  524. 20:04schools, and
  525. 20:06in some ways it's natural.
  526. 20:09What I think we Paul's wrestling with
  527. 20:13and what we need to wrestle with is
  528. 20:14what's the difference between a healthy
  529. 20:16group
  530. 20:17and what what we call a clique. I don't
  531. 20:20know how you translate that into the
  532. 20:21many languages of our Hope Sabbath
  533. 20:23School family, but kind of an exclusive
  534. 20:25little group that excludes everybody
  535. 20:28else that we think isn't like us, right?
  536. 20:32Um
  537. 20:33that that's that's kind of our broken
  538. 20:35culture. And and part of what we see, I
  539. 20:37think, in in the letters to the church,
  540. 20:40the new Christians, is we can bring
  541. 20:42those less than ideal dysfunctional
  542. 20:46practices into the church, and it can
  543. 20:50start there, too.
  544. 20:52But we need healthy groups because
  545. 20:54groups give us friendship. Like, this is
  546. 20:56a group. We need love and we need to
  547. 20:59know each other's names. And so, I think
  548. 21:02the difference is what Paul is calling
  549. 21:05for is um
  550. 21:07is a group that is inclusive
  551. 21:11>> Mhm.
  552. 21:11>> rather than exclusive.
  553. 21:13>> Right. So, there is such thing as a
  554. 21:16positive grouping of peoples around a
  555. 21:19certain idea or project. And also some
  556. 21:23sort of a negative example, right? I saw
  557. 21:26I I'm loving you guys have your hands
  558. 21:28up.
  559. 21:29>> [laughter]
  560. 21:29>> We are going to continue. Maybe if
  561. 21:32um
  562. 21:33let's see Alex, if you can take us to
  563. 21:36the book of John.
  564. 21:38>> John.
  565. 21:38>> And as you turn to John 13:35
  566. 21:41and then 17:21
  567. 21:44and 23, I am going to take Travis's
  568. 21:46comment. So, Travis, you were just about
  569. 21:49to share something.
  570. 21:50>> Mhm.
  571. 21:51>> Well, I think it's really wise to be
  572. 21:53aware of Satan's plan. We certainly want
  573. 21:56to be um aware of God's plan for our
  574. 21:59life and that's that he wants everyone
  575. 22:00in heaven and he wants unity.
  576. 22:03But in John chapter 10:12, it says that
  577. 22:05the wolf comes to scatter the sheep. And
  578. 22:08if we can always have that in the back
  579. 22:10of our mind, is this group
  580. 22:13um promoting division
  581. 22:15or is it promoting unity? Because even
  582. 22:17if you're in a group, the group should
  583. 22:20promote unity really in the church. But
  584. 22:22if it's starting to cause division, we
  585. 22:24can say, "Wait a second. Maybe the wolf
  586. 22:26>> Yeah.
  587. 22:27>> is a part of trying to
  588. 22:29this group trying to actually scatter
  589. 22:31the sheep and to get us divided."
  590. 22:34>> So, maybe if it's expressing a desire to
  591. 22:36understand perspective, you know, like
  592. 22:39put yourself in the shoes of others as
  593. 22:41well, be respectful of their
  594. 22:42experiences, that might be a good
  595. 22:44evidence as opposed to just like stick
  596. 22:46to a side and have no empathy and no
  597. 22:48openness to hear. Okay, so Alex, will
  598. 22:51you take us then to John? And we are
  599. 22:54going to see there some things that can
  600. 22:57help us further with this discussion.
  601. 22:59>> Okay. So, the first one John 13:35. I'll
  602. 23:03be reading from the New King James
  603. 23:04Version. Verse 35, it says, "By this all
  604. 23:07will know that you are my disciples, if
  605. 23:11you have love for one another."
  606. 23:13>> Mhm.
  607. 23:14>> And then in John chapter 17, starting in
  608. 23:17verse 21 to 23,
  609. 23:19the word of God says,
  610. 23:21"that they all may be one, as you
  611. 23:23Father, are in me, and I in you, that
  612. 23:26they also may be one in us, that the
  613. 23:28world may believe that you sent me, and
  614. 23:32the glory which you gave me I have given
  615. 23:34them, and they may be one, just as we
  616. 23:38are one, I and them, and you and me,
  617. 23:41that they may know, or that they may be
  618. 23:43perfect in one, and that the world may
  619. 23:46know that you have sent me, and have
  620. 23:48loved them as you love me."
  621. 23:50>> Wow. So, ultimately,
  622. 23:52why is it so debilitating to have, you
  623. 23:56know, those challenges? Can you spot it
  624. 23:58from those passages?
  625. 24:00>> Mhm.
  626. 24:01>> Why, my friends? This is He has Rachel.
  627. 24:03>> I think we can't fulfill the mission
  628. 24:06that we have to spread the good news of
  629. 24:08Jesus, because if we are not united with
  630. 24:11Jesus, then we can't work for him.
  631. 24:12>> Mhm. All right.
  632. 24:15>> Yes, I wanted to build on what she said.
  633. 24:17The whole purpose of us here being on
  634. 24:20Earth is to spread the gospel of Jesus
  635. 24:22Christ. And the devil is going to use so
  636. 24:24many different things to try and
  637. 24:25distract us. He'll use the cares of this
  638. 24:27life, he'll use the allurements, uh the
  639. 24:30entertainment and whatnot, and even
  640. 24:32within the church, as we're seeing here,
  641. 24:33he will also use division. So, at the
  642. 24:35end of the day, the reason why this is
  643. 24:38so important is because it's
  644. 24:39unfortunately detracting from our
  645. 24:42message and our mission, and that is the
  646. 24:44furtherance of the gospel through the
  647. 24:46world.
  648. 24:46>> Mhm.
  649. 24:47>> Yes, it detracts from the mission, and
  650. 24:49there is one thing more very important
  651. 24:51that I have in this verse. I wonder if
  652. 24:52you, Alex, you were the reader. What did
  653. 24:54you spot there?
  654. 24:55>> Well, what I spotted is we can be
  655. 24:57preaching the gospel, but if they see
  656. 25:00division,
  657. 25:01they're like, "I don't think these
  658. 25:02people are actually his disciples."
  659. 25:05Cuz I I don't see any unity here, and
  660. 25:06they're preaching this gospel that's
  661. 25:07supposed to be good news, but yet
  662. 25:09they're divided.
  663. 25:10>> What what is the specific words that
  664. 25:12Jesus used? Let's see his quote. What is
  665. 25:15Jesus?
  666. 25:16>> Well, he talked about, you know, having
  667. 25:18love for one another, but he also talked
  668. 25:20about being unified as God and you know,
  669. 25:25is is unified. In other words, this is
  670. 25:26not
  671. 25:27So,
  672. 25:28many leaders ask for people to unify
  673. 25:32under their own vision.
  674. 25:34And that can be harmful if that vision
  675. 25:38is harmful. What Jesus is asking is us
  676. 25:40to be unified in God, and when we're
  677. 25:42working together with love for other
  678. 25:44people, and and in that vision that's a
  679. 25:48a 100% good vision, that's what makes
  680. 25:51all the difference.
  681. 25:52>> Amen. I love that you brought up the
  682. 25:54word love, because that's exactly the
  683. 25:57end of here what Jesus says, that by
  684. 25:59this all would know, you know, by the
  685. 26:01love that you share for each other,
  686. 26:03that's how people are going to know that
  687. 26:05you are my disciples, that you follow
  688. 26:07me. Right? So, more than just expression
  689. 26:11of unity, maybe of ideas, because we are
  690. 26:15different, we're never going to be all
  691. 26:16together that cohesive, but if in the
  692. 26:20conversations we're having, the
  693. 26:21challenges we're trying to overcome
  694. 26:23together, if people are seeing us as
  695. 26:26more so
  696. 26:28uh you know, individuals who are trying
  697. 26:29to fight each other instead of being
  698. 26:32loving, they might question who our
  699. 26:34allegiance is to, right? So, most
  700. 26:38importantly, Jesus seems to be worried
  701. 26:40that whatever is it that we're
  702. 26:41conducting in the ways that we carry on
  703. 26:44our conversations, and that we try to
  704. 26:46overcome our challenges, that we might
  705. 26:50do that in love. Amen.
  706. 26:52Okay, so but how does that how is that
  707. 26:55even possible then? Because we're saying
  708. 26:57well that's a great question.
  709. 26:58>> And you know it's impossible actually
  710. 27:01because we human nature like we want to
  711. 27:03get our way and and the key the first
  712. 27:06part that was read so they may be one
  713. 27:09but later it says that they may be one
  714. 27:11in us.
  715. 27:12>> Amen. So actually the kind of unity
  716. 27:16>> which is a witness to the world filled
  717. 27:18with the love of God is when each of us
  718. 27:21seeks to be one with Christ that it
  719. 27:24brings us together in him.
  720. 27:27>> Amen.
  721. 27:28>> I think that's the key.
  722. 27:30>> I love that Derek. Thanks for bringing
  723. 27:32that up and we are going to look further
  724. 27:33into this
  725. 27:35idea that is being brought by by Derek
  726. 27:37here. Can we have
  727. 27:40Rachel take us to the book of
  728. 27:43first Corinthians and we're going to
  729. 27:45look at verse 10 of chapter 1 if you
  730. 27:48read that for us. And friends,
  731. 27:51let's be thinking how is it possible
  732. 27:53then according to Paul for us as
  733. 27:56imperfect human beings to be perfectly
  734. 27:58joined then?
  735. 28:00>> And I'll be reading from the New King
  736. 28:01James version.
  737. 28:03Now I plead with you brethren by the
  738. 28:05name of our Lord Jesus Christ that you
  739. 28:07all speak the same thing and that there
  740. 28:10be no divisions among you.
  741. 28:12But that you be perfectly joined
  742. 28:13together in the same mind and in the
  743. 28:15same judgment.
  744. 28:17>> Okay, so before I take further comments,
  745. 28:19can I have then maybe
  746. 28:22Mighty if you read for us just following
  747. 28:25this first Corinthians is still chapter
  748. 28:271 verses 4 to 9.
  749. 28:30And then I'm going to have Travis or
  750. 28:34yeah, Travis if you can read Romans 5:5
  751. 28:36for us following Mighty.
  752. 28:38>> All right, so I'll be reading from the
  753. 28:39New American Standard Bible 1
  754. 28:41Corinthians chapter 1 verses 4 to 9 and
  755. 28:44it says
  756. 28:45I thank my God always concerning you for
  757. 28:48the grace of God which was given you in
  758. 28:50Christ Jesus. That in everything you
  759. 28:53were enriched in him in all speech and
  760. 28:56all knowledge.
  761. 28:58Even as the testimony concerning Christ
  762. 29:00was confirmed in you.
  763. 29:01So that you are not lacking in any gift
  764. 29:04awaiting eagerly the revelation of our
  765. 29:06Lord Jesus Christ.
  766. 29:08Who will also confirm you to the end
  767. 29:10blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus
  768. 29:12Christ.
  769. 29:13God is faithful through whom we were
  770. 29:15called into fellowship with his son
  771. 29:18Jesus Christ our Lord.
  772. 29:22>> Travis
  773. 29:23>> And I'll be reading from the New King
  774. 29:25James Version.
  775. 29:28Now hope does not disappoint because the
  776. 29:30love of God has been poured out in our
  777. 29:32hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given
  778. 29:36to us. Amen.
  779. 29:37>> Okay, so what does it take my friends?
  780. 29:40What does it take? What do you see there
  781. 29:42is caught?
  782. 29:43>> You know, Derek already said that unity
  783. 29:46is impossible humanly speaking, right?
  784. 29:49But but we were just reading about about
  785. 29:51love being poured out. We're talking
  786. 29:52about how we're enriched in Christ in
  787. 29:55all knowledge, all wisdom, all this
  788. 29:57stuff.
  789. 29:58When we are connected with Christ, that
  790. 30:01is the only thing that really enables
  791. 30:03unity to be powerful.
  792. 30:05>> So it seems like the unity we need to
  793. 30:07have first and foremost is towards who
  794. 30:11is the king of the universe, who is the
  795. 30:13savior, who is the center of it all and
  796. 30:15that's Jesus. And if we begin there,
  797. 30:17things will be easier to be
  798. 30:20uh discussed and okay.
  799. 30:23Many hands Rachel.
  800. 30:25>> Um I love Romans 5:5 because it says
  801. 30:28that the love of God has been poured out
  802. 30:30in our hearts by the Holy Spirit. So I
  803. 30:32think I feel like a huge part of key to
  804. 30:35unity is prayer. Prayer for the Holy
  805. 30:38Spirit which acts who?
  806. 30:41Who acts upon the hearts and minds of
  807. 30:46Christians?
  808. 30:47>> Amen. So, definitely having the help of
  809. 30:50God himself in changing, in working on
  810. 30:54our hearts so that we can be more
  811. 30:56understanding of each other, we can be
  812. 30:58better listeners, Derek.
  813. 31:00>> My wife just put Colossians 3:14 to
  814. 31:02music, so it's in my head and it relates
  815. 31:05to what Rachel said about the love of
  816. 31:07God. It says above all these, put on
  817. 31:10love, agape love, which binds everything
  818. 31:13together in perfect harmony.
  819. 31:16You see, God is is harmony
  820. 31:18and when God's love is poured into our
  821. 31:20hearts, instead of contending with each
  822. 31:24other or competing with each other,
  823. 31:27we are bound together in his love in
  824. 31:29perfect harmony. That's a miracle.
  825. 31:32But, it is a miracle God can work in our
  826. 31:34hearts.
  827. 31:35>> Amen. And I think this is a beautiful
  828. 31:37segue as we continue this study.
  829. 31:40Uh to for us to better understand what
  830. 31:42it looks like the unity that is
  831. 31:45exemplified in the sacrifice and in the
  832. 31:48life of Christ.
  833. 31:49So, maybe Nicole, if you would take us
  834. 31:51to the book of Philippians,
  835. 31:54uh I would love us to be reading there
  836. 31:56chapter 2, verses 1 to 8.
  837. 31:59And then we are going to better
  838. 32:00understand what it is to have the same
  839. 32:03mind exemplified in Christ.
  840. 32:06>> The New International Version says,
  841. 32:08"Therefore, if you have any
  842. 32:10encouragement from being united with
  843. 32:12Christ, if any comfort from his love, if
  844. 32:16any common sharing in the spirit, if any
  845. 32:19tenderness and compassion, then make my
  846. 32:21joy complete by being like-minded,
  847. 32:24having the same love, being one in
  848. 32:27spirit and of one mind.
  849. 32:29Do nothing out of selfish ambition or
  850. 32:31vain conceit. Rather, in humility value
  851. 32:35others above yourselves, not looking to
  852. 32:38your own interest, but each of you to
  853. 32:40the interest of the others.
  854. 32:42In your relationships with one another,
  855. 32:45have the same mindset as Christ Jesus,
  856. 32:47who, being in very nature God, did not
  857. 32:51consider equality with God something to
  858. 32:53be used to his own advantage. Rather, he
  859. 32:57made himself nothing by taking the very
  860. 32:59nature of a servant, being made in human
  861. 33:02likeness, and being found in appearance
  862. 33:05as a man, he humbled himself by becoming
  863. 33:08obedient to death, even death on a
  864. 33:10cross.
  865. 33:12>> Okay, thank you so much, Nicole. So,
  866. 33:14what do you see here, my friends? What
  867. 33:16does it mean to be of same mind,
  868. 33:19according to, you know, the life of
  869. 33:21Christ?
  870. 33:23Zanjile.
  871. 33:24>> Uh for me, it is to live with humility,
  872. 33:28uh selflessness,
  873. 33:30and be willing to serve others in as
  874. 33:33much as the example with Christ, uh who
  875. 33:36saved us. That same mindset that Christ
  876. 33:39had of wanting to serve, if we could
  877. 33:41have to say, I can esteem the other
  878. 33:43individual and put them better above my
  879. 33:46own needs.
  880. 33:47>> It will take us a long It's beautiful,
  881. 33:49isn't it? Isn't Jesus beautiful? Jesus
  882. 33:51is wonderful, Ryan.
  883. 33:53>> Uh I think sometimes the
  884. 33:56uh the contentions that arise within
  885. 33:58church is due to misunderstandings. And
  886. 34:01in this verse that she just read, um
  887. 34:03esteem others as better than yourself.
  888. 34:05So, if some if I have a misunderstanding
  889. 34:07with someone else, my inclination is to
  890. 34:09believe it was intentional and they were
  891. 34:10trying to hurt me. But, if I esteem them
  892. 34:12as better than myself, I can try to
  893. 34:14treat them with the same uh
  894. 34:17to to to to have the best possible uh
  895. 34:21belief about them, to think the best, to
  896. 34:23give the benefit of the doubt uh to them
  897. 34:25that well, I wouldn't try to hurt this
  898. 34:26other person, so they probably weren't
  899. 34:28trying to hurt me. It probably wasn't
  900. 34:29intentional. It was a misunderstanding.
  901. 34:31So, esteem others is better than
  902. 34:32yourself.
  903. 34:33>> Mhm.
  904. 34:34>> And Julie, to have empathy, um the mind
  905. 34:37of Christ, seeing like and
  906. 34:40understanding, feeling what other people
  907. 34:42are actually feeling because God
  908. 34:44instilled that in us to help and connect
  909. 34:47with others by actually understanding
  910. 34:49them. And that's how he spread his
  911. 34:51gospel, spread the good news is because
  912. 34:54he understood from a form of a servant
  913. 34:56what it means to be in that position.
  914. 34:58>> Mhm.
  915. 34:59>> So, it seems like the case not
  916. 35:01necessarily try to force people to have
  917. 35:03the same opinions because it doesn't
  918. 35:05seem like it will ever be possible.
  919. 35:08However, is to point to the humility of
  920. 35:11Christ.
  921. 35:12Right? Because if we are able to develop
  922. 35:14empathy, if we are able to be better
  923. 35:16hearers as Ryan was suggesting, if as
  924. 35:19Julie was saying, if we take a
  925. 35:21a submissive position towards each
  926. 35:23other, it will make it much easier for
  927. 35:26us to walk together. Sometimes, you
  928. 35:28know, in a direction that is, you know,
  929. 35:31favoring a bit better someone's opinion
  930. 35:33here, and then in another time we
  931. 35:35incline to the others trying all
  932. 35:37together to be under the leadership of
  933. 35:39Christ. Amen. Yes, Travis.
  934. 35:41>> I'm going to propose something radical.
  935. 35:44In just in my visiting churches around
  936. 35:46the world, actually, the churches that
  937. 35:48are busy
  938. 35:50serving God and winning souls for others
  939. 35:53have less of this.
  940. 35:55The ones that are less
  941. 35:57um
  942. 35:59um busy about God's business are have
  943. 36:02more contention. So, I would say, get
  944. 36:04busy, let Jesus be your leader, get
  945. 36:06busy, go out and and win souls for him.
  946. 36:09>> Okay.
  947. 36:10>> Amen.
  948. 36:11>> So, possibly when we are united
  949. 36:13around the same mission, that helps us
  950. 36:15also to have a goal to pursue together.
  951. 36:18And then as we are pursuing these goals
  952. 36:20in the kingdom of God, we are going to
  953. 36:22do better in, you know, trying to find
  954. 36:25solutions for our disagreements, right,
  955. 36:27Nicole?
  956. 36:28>> I was going to say that, you know, I
  957. 36:30don't think there's anything wrong with
  958. 36:31having a diversity of opinions because
  959. 36:32we're all individual in the people. I
  960. 36:35think that it boils down to having the
  961. 36:36character of Christ reflected in
  962. 36:38everything that you do, whether you're
  963. 36:39different or whether you have a
  964. 36:40difference of opinion. If you're
  965. 36:42reflecting Christ, those differences
  966. 36:44would actually unite you in a way
  967. 36:45because you're tolerant and you're
  968. 36:46understanding of someone else's
  969. 36:48perspective, but in the end, you're
  970. 36:50still reflecting Christ.
  971. 36:51>> That's so beautiful what you just
  972. 36:53brought up, Nicole. I think I wonder
  973. 36:54about the counselors who are watching
  974. 36:56us, you know, people that work. It's
  975. 36:58true. A lot of people, if you work with
  976. 37:01individuals that are going through
  977. 37:02conflict, you are going to learn that if
  978. 37:05they learn ways to communicate
  979. 37:08and grow in that conflict together,
  980. 37:10their relationship becomes stronger as
  981. 37:13opposed to weaker. So, in certain ways,
  982. 37:16conflict can be very positive, right?
  983. 37:19Because there's no such a time in which
  984. 37:21we're not going to be facing those
  985. 37:23differences with each other.
  986. 37:25>> Mhm.
  987. 37:25>> However, the way we are going about
  988. 37:27those differences, as Nicole was
  989. 37:29suggesting, may either break us or make
  990. 37:32us, right? All right, I'll take your
  991. 37:34comment and then we are going to move
  992. 37:36forward in our study.
  993. 37:37>> Sure. Quick Uh quick thing. It's very
  994. 37:39interesting because conflict is going to
  995. 37:40arise and just like how our faith is
  996. 37:43tried by going through difficult
  997. 37:46situations, I believe that a lot of
  998. 37:48times unity has to come because we've
  999. 37:50gone through conflict. And so, even
  1000. 37:51though we might not agree, but it allows
  1001. 37:53us to see the other side and it allows
  1002. 37:55us to then finally unify under Christ.
  1003. 37:58So, I don't think that it is it's wrong
  1004. 38:00to think that, hey, sometimes the Lord
  1005. 38:02does bring
  1006. 38:03these issues into the church or allows
  1007. 38:06them to happen, rather, in order for us
  1008. 38:08to be able to work through them and
  1009. 38:10become better Christians because what we
  1010. 38:11find out is that generally when and you
  1011. 38:13saw saw this in some of uh
  1012. 38:15Sorry, you saw this in other areas of
  1013. 38:17Paul's writings, where there were times
  1014. 38:19when after the conflict happened, the
  1015. 38:21church became more unified. And so,
  1016. 38:23sometimes the Lord does allow these
  1017. 38:24things to happen because he realizes
  1018. 38:25that it will eventually bring a more
  1019. 38:27perfect unity.
  1020. 38:28>> Amen. Yes. Yeah, I agree with you it in
  1021. 38:31more than just permission, I would say
  1022. 38:33he created us
  1023. 38:34with freedom of will.
  1024. 38:35>> Mhm.
  1025. 38:36>> It's actually part of the gift of God
  1026. 38:38for humankind for us to be able to think
  1027. 38:40through things with our own minds, to
  1028. 38:43make decisions and even decisions that
  1029. 38:45would be otherwise than God would. You
  1030. 38:47know, this is what the cross is about.
  1031. 38:48He's granting me and you the opportunity
  1032. 38:50to think and reflect. And in that
  1033. 38:53process, it would be just natural that
  1034. 38:55people are going to have opposing views
  1035. 38:58and they need to come together with
  1036. 39:00humility, with the ability to listen,
  1037. 39:03most importantly under the banner and
  1038. 39:05the mission of Christ.
  1039. 39:06>> Amen.
  1040. 39:07>> And that surely will make it a much
  1041. 39:09easier and more mature ways for us to go
  1042. 39:12around relationships. Amen. And the
  1043. 39:14unity of the church is part of that
  1044. 39:17because the church is is comprised of
  1045. 39:19people. So, it's our relationships,
  1046. 39:21right? It's not just a building, an
  1047. 39:23institution, or a pastor, or a leader.
  1048. 39:25It's how we go about connecting with
  1049. 39:28each other, making decisions as the body
  1050. 39:30of Christ or just as friends and
  1051. 39:33families. Amen.
  1052. 39:34>> Amen.
  1053. 39:35>> So, this is a topic that we are going to
  1054. 39:37continue looking at as we now turn into
  1055. 39:40this part of the study where we are
  1056. 39:42going to be studying about what it is
  1057. 39:44spiritual maturity and how to grow in
  1058. 39:47spiritual maturity, right? Because unity
  1059. 39:50it seems like it's a reflection of
  1060. 39:52spiritual maturity as well, right? The
  1061. 39:54more mature we can be spiritually as a
  1062. 39:56church community, the better and more
  1063. 39:58united we will be.
  1064. 39:59>> Mhm.
  1065. 40:00>> So, maybe if we can have
  1066. 40:02um
  1067. 40:03Angeli, if you read for us 1 Corinthians
  1068. 40:07chapter 3 verses 1 and 2, and then I
  1069. 40:10would love to hear my friends here how
  1070. 40:13is Paul describing the spiritual
  1071. 40:14maturity level of this new church in
  1072. 40:17Corinth.
  1073. 40:18>> First Corinthians chapter 3 verses 1 and
  1074. 40:202. I'm reading from the King James
  1075. 40:22version.
  1076. 40:24And I, brethren, could not speak unto
  1077. 40:27you as unto spiritual, but as unto
  1078. 40:30carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. I
  1079. 40:34have fed you with milk and not with
  1080. 40:37meat. For hitherto ye were not able to
  1081. 40:40bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
  1082. 40:45>> Okay, so
  1083. 40:47what's the name that Paul gives to them?
  1084. 40:50>> Baby.
  1085. 40:51>> Babies.
  1086. 40:51>> Babies.
  1087. 40:53They were like babies. You know, I
  1088. 40:55currently I serve in a church and I have
  1089. 40:58the blessing of serving with children
  1090. 41:00and with families. It's so nice to see
  1091. 41:03the babies. I love especially cradle
  1092. 41:05roll.
  1093. 41:06So for those who are watching us, if you
  1094. 41:08are wondering what cradle roll is
  1095. 41:10in a church family, we have this
  1096. 41:13blessing of having
  1097. 41:15uh Bible school on Saturday morning on
  1098. 41:18our Sabbaths. And especially we have the
  1099. 41:21opportunity to be teaching even by age
  1100. 41:23groups in ways that are appropriate to
  1101. 41:25every age. And in my church, we get to
  1102. 41:28have a class for parents with babies
  1103. 41:31from 0 to 24 months. And it's my
  1104. 41:34favorite place to be. You know, we have
  1105. 41:37songs we sing with the babies. We are
  1106. 41:39there all together. The babies are so
  1107. 41:41cute. They are very cute. But you know
  1108. 41:44what, my friends, they really depend on
  1109. 41:46their parents because I see that if they
  1110. 41:49were grown and had the strength of the
  1111. 41:51parents with the minds that they have as
  1112. 41:54little ones, they would not survive.
  1113. 41:56They would not survive a day. They would
  1114. 41:58make so many poor decisions.
  1115. 42:01So what are your thoughts about what
  1116. 42:03Paul is saying here, friends? Babies.
  1117. 42:06>> There you go.
  1118. 42:06>> I don't think he's being critical.
  1119. 42:09You know, [clears throat] he's not
  1120. 42:10calling them names.
  1121. 42:11He's just describing where they are in
  1122. 42:14their journey. We've entitled the series
  1123. 42:16letters to new Christians, right?
  1124. 42:20So, they're just getting started.
  1125. 42:21There's a lot of things that they don't
  1126. 42:23know.
  1127. 42:23>> Mhm.
  1128. 42:24>> And like you said in in the
  1129. 42:27with the children, with the parents,
  1130. 42:29they need loving spiritual mentors
  1131. 42:33>> Mhm.
  1132. 42:34>> or friends who can help them in that
  1133. 42:36journey because they're just getting
  1134. 42:39started.
  1135. 42:39>> Right. Yeah, babies are very special,
  1136. 42:42right?
  1137. 42:43>> [laughter]
  1138. 42:43>> If you've been around babies, they are
  1139. 42:44smart. They have capabilities that some
  1140. 42:48adults seem not to have as much again.
  1141. 42:50You know, they are more flexible. They
  1142. 42:52learn faster. You know, there are some
  1143. 42:55developmental stages that happen with
  1144. 42:57babies. They learn super fast. They jump
  1145. 42:59from a phase to another. So, it can
  1146. 43:02actually not just be detrimental. Yes,
  1147. 43:04Alex.
  1148. 43:05>> Yes, and that really goes in line with
  1149. 43:06Bible talk whenever Jesus says, "You
  1150. 43:09must be born again." So, when you're
  1151. 43:11born again, you you begin as a child,
  1152. 43:14but you don't stay as a child. And I
  1153. 43:15praise God that Jesus is not only our
  1154. 43:17author, but he's our finisher of our
  1155. 43:19faith.
  1156. 43:20>> Amen. Wonderful. Yeah, so let's let's
  1157. 43:23follow here. First Corinthians 3 verses
  1158. 43:273 and 4. Travis, would you read that for
  1159. 43:30us, please?
  1160. 43:32>> And I'll be reading from the New King
  1161. 43:34James version.
  1162. 43:36For you are still carnal.
  1163. 43:38For where
  1164. 43:40there are envy, strife, divisions among
  1165. 43:43you, are you not carnal and behaving
  1166. 43:45like mere men?
  1167. 43:46>> Mhm.
  1168. 43:47>> For when one says, "I am of Paul," and
  1169. 43:50another, "I am of Apollos," are you not
  1170. 43:53carnal?
  1171. 43:55>> Mhm.
  1172. 43:55>> Mhm.
  1173. 43:56>> Mhm.
  1174. 43:57>> Okay, so when he's calling them babies,
  1175. 44:00what is the manifestation of immaturity
  1176. 44:03that he's pointing out to?
  1177. 44:05Scott, and then actually Travis first,
  1178. 44:07you were just reading it and Scott.
  1179. 44:09Yeah.
  1180. 44:10>> So this was I don't know if it's a
  1181. 44:11rebuke to me as much as it was an
  1182. 44:13enlightenment as I was studying because
  1183. 44:15I thought to myself, this is happening
  1184. 44:18these sometimes in our churches even
  1185. 44:20today. Could it be that even a church
  1186. 44:22established a long time could be
  1187. 44:24considered a baby? Just because of the
  1188. 44:27contention and the things that are
  1189. 44:28there. Could it be that we've reached a
  1190. 44:31point where we're not learning at the
  1191. 44:32feet of Jesus? And so it's interesting
  1192. 44:35something like food for thought for me
  1193. 44:36as I was thinking about this and how can
  1194. 44:39I um one be a person who will try to um
  1195. 44:45how do I want to say
  1196. 44:47disrupt this contention in the sense
  1197. 44:50that help evaluate and refocus on Jesus
  1198. 44:54so that we don't have to be babies
  1199. 44:55anymore and we can start growing again
  1200. 44:57in Jesus.
  1201. 44:58>> Amen, Scott.
  1202. 45:00>> I was noticing a couple things. First of
  1203. 45:03all, I think when when Travis
  1204. 45:05read the word carnal in the New King
  1205. 45:08James version, my English Standard
  1206. 45:10Version says merely human.
  1207. 45:12This is the the human way and this idea
  1208. 45:15of which tribe are you a part of? Which
  1209. 45:18which faction do you follow? I follow
  1210. 45:20Paul. I follow Apollos. I feel if I
  1211. 45:22follow my favorite leader here. He says
  1212. 45:24that's the kind of thing that's getting
  1213. 45:26in the way because we're not even though
  1214. 45:28we
  1215. 45:29spiritual leaders are greatly valuable
  1216. 45:32in teaching us and helping us, but we're
  1217. 45:34not to follow the leader. We're to
  1218. 45:35follow Christ.
  1219. 45:38>> Okay, so we've been talking here about
  1220. 45:40all those challenges and we could go on
  1221. 45:42and on about talking what it looks like
  1222. 45:44to be mature, but I want to give us the
  1223. 45:46opportunity of turning the you know,
  1224. 45:49turning a little forward and learning
  1225. 45:51what it looks like to be mature and to
  1226. 45:53gain that maturity. So maybe Zenzile, if
  1227. 45:55you read for us 1 Corinthians chapter 2
  1228. 45:58verses 12 to 16 and then I want you
  1229. 46:01friends to be thinking about what is an
  1230. 46:03indication for us that we are growing in
  1231. 46:05maturity.
  1232. 46:08>> So, and I'll be reading from the New
  1233. 46:10King James Version, 1 Corinthians
  1234. 46:12chapter 2, verses 12 to 16. And it
  1235. 46:16reads,
  1236. 46:17"Now we have received not the spirit of
  1237. 46:21the world, but the spirit who is from
  1238. 46:24God, that we might know the things that
  1239. 46:27have been freely given to us by God.
  1240. 46:30These things we also speak not in words
  1241. 46:33which men's wisdom teaches, but which
  1242. 46:36the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing
  1243. 46:39spiritual things with spiritual.
  1244. 46:43But the natural man does not receive the
  1245. 46:45things of the spirit of God, for they
  1246. 46:48are foolishness to him, nor can he know
  1247. 46:51them because they are spiritually
  1248. 46:54discerned. But he who is spiritual
  1249. 46:57judges all things, yet he himself is
  1250. 47:00rightly judged by no one. For who has
  1251. 47:03known the mind of the Lord that he may
  1252. 47:06instruct him. But we have the mind of
  1253. 47:09Christ."
  1254. 47:11>> So, what is an indication, friends, that
  1255. 47:13the Christian is growing their spiritual
  1256. 47:16journey?
  1257. 47:18Yes, Angeli.
  1258. 47:19>> Well, I can empathize with uh new
  1259. 47:21Christians as well, because when you
  1260. 47:23learn something new, you just want to go
  1261. 47:25share it. And when you do start sharing,
  1262. 47:27sometimes your ego can be involved,
  1263. 47:30which we've seen in the early churches.
  1264. 47:32But discerning what um Paul was talking
  1265. 47:35about is that it's not about what I want
  1266. 47:38to say, it's about what God wants me to
  1267. 47:40say. How do not what what I want to do
  1268. 47:44or think, but what God wants me to. And
  1269. 47:47that's not just in the way we speak, but
  1270. 47:49how do we study the Bible? Is it the way
  1271. 47:50I want to or what I want to see or is
  1272. 47:53what God wants me to see? And that's a
  1273. 47:55huge controversy within ourselves, and
  1274. 47:57that's true spiritual maturity.
  1275. 47:59>> Mhm.
  1276. 47:59>> Amen. So, it seems like a spiritually
  1277. 48:02mature person, a spiritually mature
  1278. 48:04Christian, is willing to hear the voice
  1279. 48:07of God and to let the Holy Spirit work
  1280. 48:10in their heart as they, you know, read
  1281. 48:13scripture, as they seek guidance and
  1282. 48:15wisdom from God, that they are going to
  1283. 48:17become more flexible, right? Is that
  1284. 48:20what I'm hearing from you, Angeli?
  1285. 48:21>> More malleable to let God
  1286. 48:22>> More malleable, [clears throat]
  1287. 48:23mighty.
  1288. 48:24>> Uh yes, actually, uh that was the train
  1289. 48:27of thought I was wanting to kind of
  1290. 48:28direct our minds to is that I when
  1291. 48:30speaking about spiritual maturity, it my
  1292. 48:32mind gets drawn to the apostles
  1293. 48:34themselves that were following Jesus,
  1294. 48:35right? So, how I see their life is
  1295. 48:37almost like two phases, right? They were
  1296. 48:40always following Christ, but the mindset
  1297. 48:43shifted before Christ died on the cross
  1298. 48:46and after. Um where in Acts chapter 2,
  1299. 48:48it showed that they were surrounded by
  1300. 48:51tongues of fire, which was the spirit
  1301. 48:53that fell down upon them, and we could
  1302. 48:55see a shift in their attitude between
  1303. 48:57before that happened and after that
  1304. 48:59happened because they were of one mind.
  1305. 49:01They were of one accord. If you looked
  1306. 49:03at the apostles before that event, they
  1307. 49:05were very um combative. There was
  1308. 49:08division even amongst them, right? There
  1309. 49:09was jealousy amongst them, right? And
  1310. 49:11there was strife. There was fighting,
  1311. 49:13right? Peter cut off the ear of of a
  1312. 49:16servant, and Peter didn't want to allow
  1313. 49:17Jesus to fulfill his mission, and Jesus
  1314. 49:20said to him, "I pray that when you are
  1315. 49:21converted, you can see these things,
  1316. 49:23right?" So, what we really looking for
  1317. 49:25is are we converted in our hearts,
  1318. 49:27right? Cuz when we have the spirit in
  1319. 49:28our hearts, the Holy Spirit, we can have
  1320. 49:30that humbleness that Christ had, right?
  1321. 49:33So, Peter's attitude before and if we
  1322. 49:34read the book of Acts and in society, we
  1323. 49:36can see Peter's attitude just completely
  1324. 49:38shifted. Very humble, and when I read
  1325. 49:41that, I always get amazed by this is not
  1326. 49:42the same Peter I saw before.
  1327. 49:44>> Amen.
  1328. 49:45>> So, that's something we need to draw our
  1329. 49:46minds to is that hey, when we truly have
  1330. 49:48the spirit of Christ in our hearts, that
  1331. 49:50we will really be humble.
  1332. 49:52Our attitudes will shift. The division
  1333. 49:54that was present before will not be
  1334. 49:56present afterwards. So, you know, that's
  1335. 49:58something to keep our minds on.
  1336. 49:59>> Amen. Amen. Praise God. And I love that
  1337. 50:00you're bringing that up, Mighty, because
  1338. 50:02such thing as the baptism with the Holy
  1339. 50:04Spirit is not something that was only
  1340. 50:06available for the apostles in the book
  1341. 50:09of Acts.
  1342. 50:10Actually, the Bible says and there is a
  1343. 50:12promise in Jesus Christ that you and me,
  1344. 50:14my friends, we can receive the Holy
  1345. 50:17Spirit. We can let the Holy Spirit work
  1346. 50:20in our hearts and it will be evidence of
  1347. 50:23maturity in our lives and walk with God
  1348. 50:25once we let the Holy Spirit dwell in our
  1349. 50:28hearts, move our our minds and hearts.
  1350. 50:31And I want to invite you, if you have
  1351. 50:33not had that experience yet, will you
  1352. 50:34pray with us today? At the end, we are
  1353. 50:37going to have a prayer with Pastor Derek
  1354. 50:39and I want to invite you to pause and
  1355. 50:41consider inviting the Holy Spirit to
  1356. 50:43change your heart. Amen.
  1357. 50:44>> Amen.
  1358. 50:45>> Okay, so there is so much more that
  1359. 50:47could be said about that, but I want to
  1360. 50:49move forward to the next part of our
  1361. 50:51study because, you know, this discussion
  1362. 50:54about humility and unity and maturity in
  1363. 50:56Christ, it cannot pass without us
  1364. 50:59looking also into what it looks like to
  1365. 51:01be a leader. You know, Jesus is inviting
  1366. 51:04me and you, friends, to be leaders. You
  1367. 51:06know, make disciples is to lead others
  1368. 51:08into lead them into the drawing and
  1369. 51:11wonderful hopeful love of God. Amen. So,
  1370. 51:14there is such a thing as how a leader
  1371. 51:17moves and acts that can collaborate
  1372. 51:20for unity and for maturity or not. So,
  1373. 51:24we want to learn from Jesus what it
  1374. 51:26looks like to be a servant leader.
  1375. 51:29So, if I can have um
  1376. 51:33Scott read for us from 1 Corinthians
  1377. 51:37chapter 4 verses 1 and 2.
  1378. 51:40And then I would love to have Travis, if
  1379. 51:44you read for us Mark 10:42 and 45.
  1380. 51:48>> All right, 1 Corinthians 4:1-2 from the
  1381. 51:51English Standard Version.
  1382. 51:54This is how one should regard us as
  1383. 51:56servants of God and stewards of the
  1384. 51:59mysteries of God.
  1385. 52:01Moreover, it is required of stewards
  1386. 52:03that they be found faithful.
  1387. 52:07>> Okay, thank you.
  1388. 52:09>> And I'll be reading from the New King
  1389. 52:11James Version.
  1390. 52:14But Jesus called them to himself and
  1391. 52:16said to them,
  1392. 52:18"You know that those who are considered
  1393. 52:19rulers over the Gentiles lord it over
  1394. 52:22them,
  1395. 52:23and their great ones exercise authority
  1396. 52:25over them.
  1397. 52:27Yet it shall not be so among you. But
  1398. 52:30whoever desires to become great among
  1399. 52:32you shall be your servant.
  1400. 52:35And whoever of you desires to be first
  1401. 52:37shall be slave of all.
  1402. 52:40For even the Son of Man did not come to
  1403. 52:42be served, but to serve."
  1404. 52:45>> Mhm.
  1405. 52:45>> And to give his life a ransom for many.
  1406. 52:50>> Amen. So, what does this teachings of
  1407. 52:53Jesus and also what we just read, the
  1408. 52:56invitation of Paul that Scott read,
  1409. 52:59teaches us about the follow of
  1410. 53:02following his example in servant
  1411. 53:05leadership?
  1412. 53:07Yes, Travis.
  1413. 53:08>> So, I was just working with with some of
  1414. 53:10my guys the other day and it was really
  1415. 53:12cold and this verse came to my mind as
  1416. 53:14I'm asking them to go out and be cold. I
  1417. 53:17thought, "How can I expect them to do it
  1418. 53:19if I'm not willing?"
  1419. 53:21And so, I this verse is kind of special
  1420. 53:23to me because as we look to Jesus as a
  1421. 53:25servant leader who just gave himself,
  1422. 53:28it's if we're going to be the true
  1423. 53:30leaders, we need to lead by example. If
  1424. 53:32we are not willing to do it, how can we
  1425. 53:34expect somebody else to to do it? And
  1426. 53:37Jesus, he's not He was the perfect
  1427. 53:39example. He did He gave everything and
  1428. 53:41gave all.
  1429. 53:42>> Mhm. Amen. Okay, any other thoughts
  1430. 53:45about Jesus' way of leading?
  1431. 53:49Yes, Angeli.
  1432. 53:51>> You know, I have a my pastor at our
  1433. 53:53church, every time we have potluck, he's
  1434. 53:55like the first one to clean up, to take
  1435. 53:58the chairs. He's the first person to do
  1436. 54:01the janitor's duties. He's the first
  1437. 54:02person to sweep and vacuum. And it's
  1438. 54:05because of that everyone joins in. I
  1439. 54:07think that's just
  1440. 54:09pure humbleness and true leadership is
  1441. 54:12embodying what Christ does.
  1442. 54:14And seeing people, us leaders, if we do
  1443. 54:18that, others will start doing that as
  1444. 54:20well. And that's great.
  1445. 54:22Being a really good role model for
  1446. 54:23others as well.
  1447. 54:24>> And what are some of the people in your
  1448. 54:26life that you think you could influence
  1449. 54:27them with this type of leadership?
  1450. 54:30>> [snorts]
  1451. 54:30>> Who Who can you think about? You know,
  1452. 54:32what in your circle of influence, who
  1453. 54:34are they? Yes, Nicole.
  1454. 54:36>> I think we have a very a strong
  1455. 54:37influence of our children cuz they
  1456. 54:39should be able to see us doing the work
  1457. 54:41that we're asking them to do, and we
  1458. 54:42have the same relationship that we want
  1459. 54:44them to have. They can emulate that. And
  1460. 54:46I think that that's kind of where for me
  1461. 54:48it starts is making sure that I'm being
  1462. 54:49the example of my kids that I want them
  1463. 54:51to become.
  1464. 54:52>> Mhm. Yes, it's called our children.
  1465. 54:55>> You know, when it says it's it's
  1466. 54:57required of stewards that they be that
  1467. 54:59they be found faithful. And based on
  1468. 55:00your question about about leadership,
  1469. 55:02>> Mhm.
  1470. 55:03>> I feel like there's a a portion of
  1471. 55:05leadership that we don't even realize
  1472. 55:07we're doing. There are people we're
  1473. 55:08influencing, we don't even know we're
  1474. 55:10influencing them. But our own
  1475. 55:12faithfulness gets observed and you know,
  1476. 55:16it makes a difference and we'll find out
  1477. 55:18about it maybe in heaven.
  1478. 55:20>> Mhm. Amen. So, we were just looking from
  1479. 55:23the beginning of this study, right? That
  1480. 55:26there is such thing as new churches, new
  1481. 55:28communities. They are going to face
  1482. 55:30challenges, you know, in agreeing and in
  1483. 55:33walk walking together. The most
  1484. 55:35important thing is to have Jesus at the
  1485. 55:37center of those conversations.
  1486. 55:39>> And that can make us good leaders. Amen.
  1487. 55:42A person that follow the example of
  1488. 55:44Jesus is going to lead others also in
  1489. 55:47the same direction. Amen. So we just
  1490. 55:50learned also about the importance of the
  1491. 55:51Holy Spirit. So I want to pause here
  1492. 55:54once again and Derek I know you're going
  1493. 55:56to come for the final prayer.
  1494. 55:57>> You pray.
  1495. 55:58>> But is it okay if I make a prayer for
  1496. 56:00for those who are listening to us that
  1497. 56:01they are going to receive the Holy
  1498. 56:03Spirit in their lives.
  1499. 56:06Our heavenly Father, we are just talking
  1500. 56:08here about how important and how
  1501. 56:10precious it is that we turn to you and
  1502. 56:14have you as the center of our lives as
  1503. 56:16we relate to each other God. May it be
  1504. 56:19in family, in church, or as leaders God
  1505. 56:22we want to be humble. We want to emulate
  1506. 56:25the love that you have for us. And we
  1507. 56:27all need your Holy Spirit to guide us in
  1508. 56:30that process. So I am praying that every
  1509. 56:33person who is watching us is going to
  1510. 56:35receive a baptism with the Holy Spirit.
  1511. 56:38God that they will have that experience
  1512. 56:40of what it is to be guided and provided
  1513. 56:43by you in everything that they do and
  1514. 56:45have their [clears throat] mind shaped
  1515. 56:47by the power of God. In your name we are
  1516. 56:50praying that we are blessing those who
  1517. 56:52are watching us with this a special
  1518. 56:53blessing. Amen.
  1519. 56:55>> Amen.
  1520. 56:56>> Amen.
  1521. 56:57>> Thank you so much Sabina.
  1522. 56:59How important it is you know I I I think
  1523. 57:01being perfectly united together,
  1524. 57:03perfectly fitting
  1525. 57:05only a perfect God can do that.
  1526. 57:08And we want to be fully surrendered to
  1527. 57:09him. Let him pour his love into our
  1528. 57:11hearts. And when we see that unity that
  1529. 57:14reflects the beautiful character of God,
  1530. 57:16we'll be quick to give God all of the
  1531. 57:18praise. Let's pray. Father in heaven,
  1532. 57:21thank you for this wonderful invitation
  1533. 57:24to participate in a unity that only
  1534. 57:27comes from above.
  1535. 57:28We surrender to you and as we see you
  1536. 57:31work in us and through us, we will give
  1537. 57:33you all of the praise. In Jesus' name,
  1538. 57:36amen.
  1539. 57:37Well, thanks for joining us for Hope
  1540. 57:39Sabbath School. You say, "Derek, I need
  1541. 57:40that miracle in my life." Friend,
  1542. 57:42whether you're a new Christian or you've
  1543. 57:44been walking with Jesus for many years,
  1544. 57:46we all need that miracle of being united
  1545. 57:50in him.
  1546. 57:50>> [music]
  1547. 57:51>> Accept the blessing and go out and be a
  1548. 57:53blessing to those around you.
  1549. 58:14>> [music]

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