Understanding Calendar Spreads and How They Work Pt. 2 — Transcript
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- 0:05we're going to be having our man Dan
- 0:07here covering calendar spreads part two
- 0:09he's going to give us a brief on the
- 0:12Delta Greek and how it functions within
- 0:15calendar spreads today we're going to
- 0:18talk about uh so we're in the context of
- 0:20the of the put calendar spread uh
- 0:23structure right we're on part two and
- 0:25what we're going to talk about is the
- 0:27Delta associated with a put calendar
- 0:30spread or a call calendar spread because
- 0:33they both uh they're they're both going
- 0:35to work the same way um they're just the
- 0:40the put calendar spread uh as described
- 0:43in this presentation is going to be
- 0:46situated below the spot price and a you
- 0:50know your your call analog is going to
- 0:52be situated above uh above spot price in
- 0:56my kind of crude interactive Delta graph
- 0:59example uh I picked calls because I just
- 1:02uh I just love variety and when we're
- 1:04talking about the put side uh there are
- 1:07some more interesting implied volatility
- 1:10effects uh that will cover uh that will
- 1:13cover I'm sure in like part three and
- 1:15part four when we talk about implied
- 1:17volatility and and Vega inside put
- 1:20calendar spread today we're we're
- 1:22talking about Delta the the hint of
- 1:26delta in this in this trade from my my
- 1:30summary slide from last week is when I
- 1:32mentioned that calendar that out of- the
- 1:34money calendar spreads like we're
- 1:36talking about here are positive gamma
- 1:40when I say A put calendar has positive
- 1:43gamma this positive gamma is implying
- 1:47that we are net long options even though
- 1:50we sold one and we and we bought one the
- 1:54extra time that we have by buying the
- 1:57further dated uh the further dat
- 2:00option protects us from some of the
- 2:04nastier effects that are associated with
- 2:07having uh short options on your on your
- 2:11book so the fact that these are positive
- 2:14gamma means that a directional move in
- 2:17your favor um is going to increase the
- 2:21Delta of your overall position more
- 2:25rapidly so the interesting thing about
- 2:29deltas
- 2:30excuse me about Delta in the context of
- 2:32a put calendar is that when when we're
- 2:35trading them in this out of the- money
- 2:36fashion the absolute value of the Delta
- 2:40is going to grow and grow and grow until
- 2:43you get to the actual strike until you
- 2:47get to the strike price um you know the
- 2:49one that you the one that you you sold
- 2:52one and bought the other so so if price
- 2:54is moving in your direction and it
- 2:55finally and price finally gets there
- 2:58that's where you're going to reach the
- 2:59the maximum absolute value of delta and
- 3:03I'm sorry to be bringing up math terms
- 3:06in this way but technically Delta is
- 3:09negative um on a uh on on puts because
- 3:14uh because in this particular structure
- 3:16the value uh is going to increase when
- 3:20price of the underlying goes down right
- 3:22so you have you have negative Delta is
- 3:24what that means and
- 3:27in in favor of not
- 3:31being uh confusing math wise and saying
- 3:33something gets more negative because
- 3:35that generally means like small smaller
- 3:37even though it's a good thing in this
- 3:38case I just say the absolute value of
- 3:40the Delta is going to continue to grow
- 3:43now what's interesting about a calendar
- 3:44is that at a certain point if price
- 3:47keeps on moving in your direction maybe
- 3:50it moves a little too far in your
- 3:52direction if you know you know what I
- 3:54mean it goes past your strike the the
- 3:57Delta can actually flip uh and it can um
- 4:01you know it can go from negative to
- 4:03positive uh if it's on the call side it
- 4:05can go It Go from positive uh to
- 4:07negative this doesn't I promise you you
- 4:10might hear that and think well it's
- 4:12going to blow up my position it's going
- 4:13to go to negative whatever and I'm gonna
- 4:16lose a bunch of money that's not that's
- 4:17not how it goes it's just a the result
- 4:20of like both strikes being in the money
- 4:24but um the front one is closer to
- 4:26expiration so that one is more like ly
- 4:30to expire in the in the money uh has the
- 4:33absolute value of that short dated
- 4:36contract has now gotten larger than the
- 4:39back data one but long and short of it
- 4:42is that for most of the life of this of
- 4:45this trade this put calendar spread
- 4:48you're going to have negative deltas and
- 4:51the the absolute value of those negative
- 4:53Deltas is going to is going to increase
- 4:55as the underlying price moves in your
- 4:57direction and that actually leads us
- 5:00into just a general review of Delta
- 5:04which I think is a good refresher for
- 5:06everybody every now and again so the the
- 5:11definition of delta is the change in an
- 5:13options price called premium due to the
- 5:18change in the underlying security
- 5:21price in
- 5:24equities this is typically expressed as
- 5:26a decimal okay so in your brokerage
- 5:29software you'll see uh like something
- 5:32like
- 5:330.25 uh for a uh 0.25 Delta um call or
- 5:39put uh
- 5:42but as as you know when you're like
- 5:45speaking about this like when you're
- 5:47when you're talking with somebody it's
- 5:49not uncommon to hear uh to hear them
- 5:51expressed as like the full whole number
- 5:54so you might describe uh a
- 5:570.25 Delta option as 25 5 Delta um just
- 6:01know that uh this very very common and
- 6:04it's the difference between um like
- 6:05speaking and writing I think it's a lot
- 6:07more common in writing to see 0.25
- 6:11describing the Delta but in conversation
- 6:14someone would probably describe it as 25
- 6:16Delta uh
- 6:18option the standard Equity multiplier
- 6:21for an option is 100 so we say cedus
- 6:24parabus which means everything else all
- 6:26else equal if the stock price like
- 6:29teleports in 0 seconds down
- 6:34$1 then a minus .25 Delta put right I
- 6:39would call that like a like a 25 Delta
- 6:41put we'll see its premium increase by
- 6:45$25 okay you have a $1 you know minus1
- 6:51doll price change times minus 0.25 which
- 6:55is our Delta times the standard 100
- 6:58Equity uh multiplier for Equity options
- 7:01and that equals uh
- 7:03$25 and the the intuitive way to uh talk
- 7:08about Delta is uh in terms of like like
- 7:13share equivalent um or you know what it
- 7:16like like what it feels like to own to
- 7:19own that that number of shares so the
- 7:22share equivalent of a uh a 25 Delta put
- 7:26which is going to be negative is going
- 7:28to is going to feel
- 7:30like being short 25 shares of stock XYZ
- 7:35because if stock XYZ if you if you were
- 7:38short 25 shares of stock XYZ and the
- 7:41price of XYZ uh went down by
- 7:44$1 your your p&l your profit and loss
- 7:48would would be plus $25 you would you
- 7:51would have unrealized gain of $25 and
- 7:54that's exactly uh cus parabus what would
- 7:57happen with a a 20 5 Delta put as well
- 8:02if the price drops by
- 8:04$1 then your the option value uh the
- 8:09premium associated with that option
- 8:11would be uh would be $25 higher because
- 8:15the price has moved $1 in your direction
- 8:18and it was a 25 Delta option but when we
- 8:21talk about when we talk about Gamma
- 8:23we'll know that okay now that the price
- 8:25has moved down now it's like now it has
- 8:27a bigger Delta value so the next dollar
- 8:30move in your direction is going to be
- 8:32even it's going to be even larger right
- 8:34and that's um you know that's uh that
- 8:36has to do with with what we would say is
- 8:39convexity and why uh long long options
- 8:43long calls and long puts uh can have
- 8:46such a can have such a handsome reward
- 8:50uh profile when when price moves in your
- 8:53direction very quickly and so the one
- 8:57the one last thing that I just wanted to
- 8:59to Riff on briefly for Delta is uh is
- 9:05something that I hear uh now again and
- 9:09like like some some people would say
- 9:11that Delta is the probability of the the
- 9:15option in question um expiring in the
- 9:19money and uh I I don't think that's
- 9:22actually I don't think that's true like
- 9:24if we were to do an empirical study and
- 9:26we were to look at all the the 10 Delta
- 9:30calls and the 10 Delta puts I I suspect
- 9:34that those wouldn't finish in the money
- 9:3610% of the time right like I I don't
- 9:39think I think that's a I think that's a
- 9:42that's a good heuristic when you're
- 9:43talking about the at the money call or
- 9:45the at the money put because the at the
- 9:47money call or at the money put is
- 9:49typically around 50 Delta and that makes
- 9:54uh that makes logical sense right you
- 9:55have an you have an at the money
- 9:57contract it's like 5050 you don't you
- 10:00know 50/50 chance is the price going to
- 10:02go up one penny or down one penny and
- 10:04your and your uh option will finish in
- 10:06the money like buy one penny or out of
- 10:09the money buy one penny right like that
- 10:11that makes sense um if you think you
- 10:14know if you're if you're being a real
- 10:17first principls um student of this stuff
- 10:21the the at the money Delta 50 that makes
- 10:24sense right there's like a 50-50 chance
- 10:26that option finishes in the money if it
- 10:29EXP fires in the next one second or or
- 10:31whatever like that but um towards the
- 10:35the tals right at the extremes I think
- 10:38that uh probability of finishing in the
- 10:40money I think it's um uh I'm not I'm not
- 10:43sure that necessarily would uh would
- 10:45hold true right I think it's better to
- 10:47just um focus on focus on Delta as like
- 10:51your your underlying price payoff um
- 10:55multiple for uh for for a given trade
- 10:59you'll recall if you watched our review
- 11:01from last week uh this slide was on here
- 11:04uh and and I wanted to show this this
- 11:06slide again really quick here because it
- 11:08animates uh what the p&l difference is
- 11:10for a foot calendar spread as time goes
- 11:14by so when when the trade starts there's
- 11:19like a like a lower like a like tent
- 11:22kind of section here and as time goes on
- 11:25the The Profit will become uh
- 11:27potentially quite large right at the
- 11:30strike uh that you that you sold and
- 11:32bought over those different times and so
- 11:36the last thing I want to touch on when I
- 11:38say that a that a calendar spread that's
- 11:41designed in this way has um convexity
- 11:46what I what I mean by Delta convexity is
- 11:48that over time as we get closer to
- 11:51expiration moves in the underlying are
- 11:55going to have a a more drastic uh Delta
- 12:00change on a calendar spread and so what
- 12:05you're looking at right here is my um
- 12:08like a like a crude illustration of that
- 12:11um you know be gentle be gentle it's
- 12:13like it's you know I'm not a a
- 12:16professional programmer by any stretch
- 12:18right so take it so be easy on on me
- 12:22here and I chose and I I chose this one
- 12:24I know um I my consistency score is is
- 12:29getting I'm getting an F for consistency
- 12:31in this one because I'm I'm talking
- 12:33about a call calendar in this image and
- 12:36we've been presenting on on put
- 12:38calendars before but uh I chose the call
- 12:41calendar to hopefully avoid any
- 12:44confusion about um negative Deltas here
- 12:47and I think once you see what I'm gonna
- 12:49what I'm just gonna uh point out as time
- 12:52goes on is that this same uh like
- 12:55visualization makes sense for a put
- 12:57calendar as well um and really what this
- 13:00is is just an expression you you'll
- 13:02recall from our last slide
- 13:05um let me yeah okay in this last slide
- 13:10you saw how like over over time this
- 13:13calendar like becomes closer and closer
- 13:15to a like a tent right and as you're as
- 13:18you're approaching that strike and as
- 13:20time is going by the p&l right the
- 13:22profit associated with this structure is
- 13:24getting is getting bigger and bigger and
- 13:28there's a reason for that and it's this
- 13:31uh what I'm describing as uh Delta
- 13:34convexity okay so in this example here
- 13:39right our uh I think I have this set I
- 13:42think the uh the calendar like the in
- 13:45this structure it's a like a a 5825 SPX
- 13:50call calendar which is out of the out of
- 13:53the money by like I don't know like 2%
- 13:55something something like that um above
- 13:57spot price okay
- 14:00and the way I had it set up is um you're
- 14:03like you're selling this upcoming Friday
- 14:05and you're you're buying the Monday um
- 14:08after this you know a after that right
- 14:10so like the only thing in between these
- 14:12two is the is the
- 14:14weekend and uh the way that these
- 14:16numbers here work right from left to
- 14:19right is is um like the number of days
- 14:21until this front contract expires okay
- 14:25when you initially put the trade on like
- 14:27on Tuesday when I started building this
- 14:30when I put when I put this together on
- 14:31Tuesday there were like 4 days until
- 14:34that front contract expired and then at
- 14:36300 that's like three days left right I
- 14:39I did this as it's like a percentage of
- 14:41day remaining until the front option
- 14:44expires okay so finally to the point
- 14:47that I want to illustrate here so if you
- 14:51if you put this trade on on Tuesday and
- 14:55then on on Wednesday we get a real
- 14:59like we get a real ripper in the in the
- 15:02S&P 500 and the S&P 500 like rallies up
- 15:072% um that's like that's that's still
- 15:11great for this trade this this call
- 15:13calendar is going to um is going to
- 15:16appreciate uh in price pretty
- 15:18significantly and you'll do you'll do
- 15:20pretty well right you'll you'll make
- 15:22you'll make money on this uh on this
- 15:24trade and the reason you'll make money
- 15:25is because your Deltas are increasing
- 15:27right so if we
- 15:29uh you know if if it's um it is yeah
- 15:33okay here here's my like three days
- 15:35right it goes over time uh and so over
- 15:38the day on Wednesday your Delta is
- 15:41increasing from let's say
- 15:440.25 to
- 15:46point
- 15:49uh yeah here okay is it's increasing to
- 15:53like 0 4 you know at the at the maximum
- 15:56Point here it's 044 uh one right it
- 15:59starts to again this is this like time
- 16:02effect that's that's taking place here
- 16:04but you can see that the Delta increases
- 16:06by Point uh 02 Deltas okay so we go from
- 16:11like 025 to
- 16:140.46 at the very highest and that's
- 16:18that's if we get this excellent price
- 16:20appreciation on Wednesday because we
- 16:23bought it on Tuesday well what happens
- 16:26if instead we actually get that price
- 16:30appreciation on
- 16:34Thursday okay well on
- 16:36Thursday our our Delta starts at
- 16:39approximately the same approximately the
- 16:42same uh Delta here it's like a tiny it's
- 16:45like a tiny bit higher because that
- 16:47front contract has um collapsed in price
- 16:51more than the uh back contract has so
- 16:54the Delta is going to be just the back
- 16:56contract has kept a tiny bit more
- 16:59long Delta um then then and the the
- 17:02front contract has collapsed a fair
- 17:04amount or or has collapsed more because
- 17:07it's expiring sooner so here we start
- 17:09from like 0
- 17:1127 and if we get that same move up
- 17:15towards
- 17:175800 oh wow what a difference right now
- 17:20it's at 08
- 17:22Delta and so what I'm trying to convey
- 17:26here is that
- 17:29this this price increase like this 100
- 17:32Point SPX price increase uh changes the
- 17:36Delta on a call calendar on Thursday by
- 17:39like I don't know what is that like
- 17:41three like 3x something like that um
- 17:45whereas on uh Tuesday it kind of only
- 17:49doubled it right it only it only went up
- 17:51by 2x
- 17:54so if you if you like get even closer to
- 17:57the wire right if you're if you're
- 17:58riding even closer and you're letting it
- 18:00go and it's on it's on Friday and that
- 18:02font front contract is expiring today
- 18:04and you get you get a nice rip up
- 18:07towards your 58 you know 5825 point up
- 18:11here now now we're really talking right
- 18:14this thing goes from 0.015 Delta to 0.19
- 18:20so at that point that's more than 10x
- 18:22right that's like 15 or 14 that's like a
- 18:2514x increase in in deltas and the price
- 18:32appreciation of this structure is going
- 18:34to be commiserate with its move in
- 18:36Deltas right we I said that back in my
- 18:39back in my Mr nerd slide here uh right
- 18:45Delta is like that there's like an
- 18:48inextricable connection between Delta
- 18:50and premium associated with the the like
- 18:53the net position of your contract right
- 18:56so when price moves in your direction as
- 19:01this front contract is getting closer
- 19:03and closer to
- 19:04expiration smaller smaller moves in the
- 19:08underlying Equity generate a larger
- 19:13increase in the value of your overall
- 19:17position and what I think is like is
- 19:21really is is really kind of magical
- 19:24about that is that from a psychological
- 19:28perspective it kind of makes these
- 19:29easier to hold on to right
- 19:34because if price is steadily moving in
- 19:37your direction if you just hold an
- 19:40outright if you just hold an an outright
- 19:43out of the money call and you just like
- 19:45wait and the underlying price reaches
- 19:47your strike by
- 19:50expiration like you had you made a good
- 19:52prediction but you didn't make any money
- 19:54you lost money right because like you
- 19:57you know you had to pay for that call
- 19:58and price didn't get high enough right
- 20:00it's like over time you're constantly
- 20:02chasing like the like the value of the
- 20:05call you're watching it psychologically
- 20:08and you were right in your prediction
- 20:10but you're watching the value of your
- 20:12call the premium on that call like not
- 20:14go up when you were right and H the
- 20:17frustration right like I can't I you
- 20:21don't have to you don't have to tell me
- 20:23about that kind of that kind of
- 20:25frustration right it's aggravating to
- 20:27make a great forecast
- 20:29and then to have the trade actually lose
- 20:33money because your forecast was was good
- 20:37but price didn't go up enough or it
- 20:39didn't move up fast enough well call
- 20:43calendars that are out of the money if
- 20:44you're predicting a price increase they
- 20:47do away with this problem they're like
- 20:49the opposite of that if price steadily
- 20:53moves in your direction if you forecast
- 20:55a price increase and and that and that
- 20:58like just perfectly Graces its way up
- 21:00into that area it's like the opposite of
- 21:03that effect uh where you're just holding
- 21:06an outright call and you're watching it
- 21:08not appreciate um and you're you know
- 21:11cursing the market gods for for giving
- 21:14you this forecasting gift and a position
- 21:18that's not making any money right the
- 21:20calendar Trader is looking at his or her
- 21:24p&l and thinking nice right like this
- 21:27the value of this is going up um
- 21:30commiserate with my forecasting skill so
- 21:36uh to wrap up my Delta section here with
- 21:39a with a little
- 21:40bow what makes calendars unique and and
- 21:46appealing is that your uh your price
- 21:52prediction will pay off really well if
- 21:57if the underlying kind of like cruises
- 22:00into like cruises into the area where uh
- 22:04you're forecasting price to be and and
- 22:07you could see right it's it's uh that is
- 22:10demonstrably accurate because the the
- 22:13Delta on the like the net call calendar
- 22:18here um becomes quite large as that
- 22:21front contract is expiring compared to
- 22:25when the trade starts like if SPX price
- 22:27just teleported up to 5825 it I mean
- 22:30it'd be great your your Delta would
- 22:33increase right you would make you would
- 22:35make some money on this trade but you if
- 22:37price just teleports up you want to own
- 22:40you just want to own a call or you just
- 22:42or if it teleports down you just want to
- 22:44own a put because you're going to get
- 22:47all the the positive effects uh that are
- 22:49built into that in that scenario but if
- 22:53price just kind of Glides in One
- 22:55Direction you know if it kind of just
- 22:57chops up and down you chops up and down
- 22:59into this range um then your payoff is
- 23:02going to
- 23:03be uh is is going to be really really
- 23:07good and and again like I I will lean on
- 23:10this from a theoretical angle by saying
- 23:13look at the growth of the
- 23:16Delta the the Delta change from like
- 23:19trade initiation at being you know Point
- 23:2302023 relatively low to being 10 times
- 23:26higher than that at expiration
- 23:29um of the front contract where you're
- 23:31predicting price is going to go uh
- 23:34that's the that's the conclusion of my
- 23:36my Delta uh section if there obviously
- 23:39if there are any questions uh I'm happy
- 23:42to I'm happy to field them and uh I am
- 23:45also working on a way to make this kind
- 23:48of visualization um available because I
- 23:52do think it helps kind of build up your
- 23:54intuition um about how about how an
- 23:58option structure payoff is g to um is
- 24:01going to work over over time so um you
- 24:05know stay stay tuned hopefully we have
- 24:07something to we'll have something that
- 24:09that helps um Express uh or that helps
- 24:12you see how this trade is
- 24:16gonna manifest on your p&l over over
- 24:19time what effect if any at all does
- 24:23gamma have on these put calendar spreads
- 24:27so the gamma is is actually what's like
- 24:30accelerating these Deltas higher and
- 24:32higher as um as we March closer to the
- 24:37expiration of the front um
- 24:41contract so your net like your net gamma
- 24:46on this on a a put or a call calendar
- 24:50that's out of the money in this way is
- 24:53is going to be positive and it's going
- 24:56to move Deltas in your it's going to
- 24:58like it's going to move the net right
- 25:01the combined long and short Deltas of
- 25:04the position in in your favor um faster
- 25:09and faster as we approach um
- 25:13expiration like you're still going to be
- 25:15net positive gamma over here uh around
- 25:18like you know day Zero and day one of
- 25:20your trade initiation um and you can see
- 25:24like there like the Leaps and Bounds so
- 25:27to speak right the delta increases
- 25:29they're not really that fast as you as
- 25:31price moves up right from from this like
- 25:34$10 SPX change um gives you an increase
- 25:38of
- 25:3903 Deltas uh which means like the gamma
- 25:43there is like is relatively small and it
- 25:46even starts to slow down here as you get
- 25:49closer to the like the long short strike
- 25:53whereas when you get over here closer to
- 25:56expiration okay well now
- 25:59a a $10 change from uh 5730 to 5740
- 26:04changes the the net Delta of the
- 26:06position by
- 26:090.15 uh which I know doesn't seem like a
- 26:11ton you know like we're we're talking
- 26:14about these tiny fractions and
- 26:15everything but got to remember SPX is a
- 26:18$5,700 product right so like one Delta
- 26:23it's like valuable is a valuable thing
- 26:26to have on an SPX um on an SPX contract
- 26:32right you cherish you cherish every
- 26:34Delta you get um on when you're tra when
- 26:39you're TR trading the SPX because it's
- 26:41such a large U it's such a large product
- 26:43right so like you know take a step back
- 26:46and remember oh hey I'm trading a $5,700
- 26:50stock uh so when it moves two Deltas
- 26:54that's like that's pretty
- 26:56good so why KK asks is it best to
- 27:01exercise the long position when it comes
- 27:04in the money and what is the best
- 27:07situation to exit the strategy okay yeah
- 27:10excellent excellent questions okay
- 27:14so in this in this particular example um
- 27:18with the SPX I uh like the SPX is a cash
- 27:23subtle product and it's also a European
- 27:25style option um so you never have to
- 27:27worry about early assignment or anything
- 27:29like that because it can't be assignment
- 27:32doesn't happen until expiration right
- 27:35it's only only allowed at expiration so
- 27:37SPX is um kind of a special case
- 27:41here the inter if you were uh if you're
- 27:44dealing with like a single single name
- 27:45Equity or spy QQQ something like that
- 27:49generally generally speaking you would
- 27:53want to uh you would want to exit at
- 27:56your strike price right that's ideal
- 27:58place to exit but I say I say that um
- 28:02and gosh I just I hate to invite
- 28:04discretion into this sort of thing but I
- 28:07would say you wanna like you want to use
- 28:10your you want to use your forecast as a
- 28:12guide because with a calendar spread if
- 28:17the underlying price just like rips
- 28:20right past your right past your strike
- 28:23um there like there's a time where
- 28:26you're actually going to where where you
- 28:28you'll wind up with kind of a with a
- 28:30loser right which can be um annoying uh
- 28:35that you know price that price moved uh
- 28:38that price moved too much but like you
- 28:41can use your use your forecast as a
- 28:44guide right I I like am almost cringing
- 28:47at hearing myself saying this but like
- 28:50you it's like a it's kind of a it's kind
- 28:51of a discretionary God it's kind of a
- 28:54discretionary decision I would argue
- 28:57that in an Ideal World you want to
- 29:01always be able to trade at least two
- 29:04right like two units of calendars so you
- 29:06technically have four contracts two
- 29:08spreads and you could initiate you would
- 29:11initiate the trade and get your fill and
- 29:13like the first thing you could do is set
- 29:14a limit cell at maybe um like
- 29:21150% uh profit right like uh like the
- 29:25value of the spread has increased by say
- 29:27150%
- 29:28because that's not that's not un
- 29:31unreasonable or unachievable if price
- 29:34begins to move in your direction
- 29:36relatively um relatively quickly as far
- 29:41as as far as exercising um exercising
- 29:45the long that's a that's an excellent
- 29:47question because in theory if you were
- 29:49trading this on uh I I know some one of
- 29:54these uh one of these China names that
- 29:55just went ballistic PDD okay if you had
- 29:59a calendar on PDD at 110 and it rallied
- 30:04up to 150 well now you're shorter you're
- 30:07shorter call that's $40 in the money
- 30:09right and you have um uh you have
- 30:12assignment risk there right you're at
- 30:15risk of needing to uh or rather delivery
- 30:17risk I guess technically you're at risk
- 30:19of needing to deliver a 100 shares of
- 30:22PDD um and uh you know the market price
- 30:25of those is 150 and you promis to to
- 30:28deliver at 110 and that could be a that
- 30:31could be an unpleasant loss right there
- 30:33what I what I suspect would happen or or
- 30:35at least you know what I hope would
- 30:37happen is that if you happen to be away
- 30:41from your screens uh and you have a
- 30:44calendar on and you have one of these
- 30:45like PDD situations where the underlying
- 30:48price goes way past your your strikes um
- 30:52my my hope would be that your broker has
- 30:55the has the understanding uh probably
- 30:58after communicating you with about about
- 31:00this uh that you don't want to deliv you
- 31:03don't want to be forced to deliver those
- 31:04shares and so what would happen is that
- 31:07um should an early assignment come your
- 31:10way and you are obliged to deliver 100
- 31:12shares of PDD um you would uh your your
- 31:16broker would exercise your would
- 31:19exercise the long call to give you those
- 31:21100 shares um and and have you uh
- 31:25deliver you know deliver that way right
- 31:27so you don't don't have to so the next
- 31:30so the next day you don't wind up short
- 31:32100 shares of PDD and um dealing with
- 31:34the margin implications of that so I
- 31:37would say uh on a case where your
- 31:40strikes just get blown away and uh the
- 31:44underlying rallies far far beyond uh
- 31:48where you you had forecasted the price
- 31:50to move youd want to have your broker um
- 31:53exercise the long leg uh to cover your
- 31:56obligation to deliver shares on the
- 31:58short leg
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