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Understanding Calendar Spreads and How They Work Pt. 2 — Transcript

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  1. 0:05we're going to be having our man Dan
  2. 0:07here covering calendar spreads part two
  3. 0:09he's going to give us a brief on the
  4. 0:12Delta Greek and how it functions within
  5. 0:15calendar spreads today we're going to
  6. 0:18talk about uh so we're in the context of
  7. 0:20the of the put calendar spread uh
  8. 0:23structure right we're on part two and
  9. 0:25what we're going to talk about is the
  10. 0:27Delta associated with a put calendar
  11. 0:30spread or a call calendar spread because
  12. 0:33they both uh they're they're both going
  13. 0:35to work the same way um they're just the
  14. 0:40the put calendar spread uh as described
  15. 0:43in this presentation is going to be
  16. 0:46situated below the spot price and a you
  17. 0:50know your your call analog is going to
  18. 0:52be situated above uh above spot price in
  19. 0:56my kind of crude interactive Delta graph
  20. 0:59example uh I picked calls because I just
  21. 1:02uh I just love variety and when we're
  22. 1:04talking about the put side uh there are
  23. 1:07some more interesting implied volatility
  24. 1:10effects uh that will cover uh that will
  25. 1:13cover I'm sure in like part three and
  26. 1:15part four when we talk about implied
  27. 1:17volatility and and Vega inside put
  28. 1:20calendar spread today we're we're
  29. 1:22talking about Delta the the hint of
  30. 1:26delta in this in this trade from my my
  31. 1:30summary slide from last week is when I
  32. 1:32mentioned that calendar that out of- the
  33. 1:34money calendar spreads like we're
  34. 1:36talking about here are positive gamma
  35. 1:40when I say A put calendar has positive
  36. 1:43gamma this positive gamma is implying
  37. 1:47that we are net long options even though
  38. 1:50we sold one and we and we bought one the
  39. 1:54extra time that we have by buying the
  40. 1:57further dated uh the further dat
  41. 2:00option protects us from some of the
  42. 2:04nastier effects that are associated with
  43. 2:07having uh short options on your on your
  44. 2:11book so the fact that these are positive
  45. 2:14gamma means that a directional move in
  46. 2:17your favor um is going to increase the
  47. 2:21Delta of your overall position more
  48. 2:25rapidly so the interesting thing about
  49. 2:29deltas
  50. 2:30excuse me about Delta in the context of
  51. 2:32a put calendar is that when when we're
  52. 2:35trading them in this out of the- money
  53. 2:36fashion the absolute value of the Delta
  54. 2:40is going to grow and grow and grow until
  55. 2:43you get to the actual strike until you
  56. 2:47get to the strike price um you know the
  57. 2:49one that you the one that you you sold
  58. 2:52one and bought the other so so if price
  59. 2:54is moving in your direction and it
  60. 2:55finally and price finally gets there
  61. 2:58that's where you're going to reach the
  62. 2:59the maximum absolute value of delta and
  63. 3:03I'm sorry to be bringing up math terms
  64. 3:06in this way but technically Delta is
  65. 3:09negative um on a uh on on puts because
  66. 3:14uh because in this particular structure
  67. 3:16the value uh is going to increase when
  68. 3:20price of the underlying goes down right
  69. 3:22so you have you have negative Delta is
  70. 3:24what that means and
  71. 3:27in in favor of not
  72. 3:31being uh confusing math wise and saying
  73. 3:33something gets more negative because
  74. 3:35that generally means like small smaller
  75. 3:37even though it's a good thing in this
  76. 3:38case I just say the absolute value of
  77. 3:40the Delta is going to continue to grow
  78. 3:43now what's interesting about a calendar
  79. 3:44is that at a certain point if price
  80. 3:47keeps on moving in your direction maybe
  81. 3:50it moves a little too far in your
  82. 3:52direction if you know you know what I
  83. 3:54mean it goes past your strike the the
  84. 3:57Delta can actually flip uh and it can um
  85. 4:01you know it can go from negative to
  86. 4:03positive uh if it's on the call side it
  87. 4:05can go It Go from positive uh to
  88. 4:07negative this doesn't I promise you you
  89. 4:10might hear that and think well it's
  90. 4:12going to blow up my position it's going
  91. 4:13to go to negative whatever and I'm gonna
  92. 4:16lose a bunch of money that's not that's
  93. 4:17not how it goes it's just a the result
  94. 4:20of like both strikes being in the money
  95. 4:24but um the front one is closer to
  96. 4:26expiration so that one is more like ly
  97. 4:30to expire in the in the money uh has the
  98. 4:33absolute value of that short dated
  99. 4:36contract has now gotten larger than the
  100. 4:39back data one but long and short of it
  101. 4:42is that for most of the life of this of
  102. 4:45this trade this put calendar spread
  103. 4:48you're going to have negative deltas and
  104. 4:51the the absolute value of those negative
  105. 4:53Deltas is going to is going to increase
  106. 4:55as the underlying price moves in your
  107. 4:57direction and that actually leads us
  108. 5:00into just a general review of Delta
  109. 5:04which I think is a good refresher for
  110. 5:06everybody every now and again so the the
  111. 5:11definition of delta is the change in an
  112. 5:13options price called premium due to the
  113. 5:18change in the underlying security
  114. 5:21price in
  115. 5:24equities this is typically expressed as
  116. 5:26a decimal okay so in your brokerage
  117. 5:29software you'll see uh like something
  118. 5:32like
  119. 5:330.25 uh for a uh 0.25 Delta um call or
  120. 5:39put uh
  121. 5:42but as as you know when you're like
  122. 5:45speaking about this like when you're
  123. 5:47when you're talking with somebody it's
  124. 5:49not uncommon to hear uh to hear them
  125. 5:51expressed as like the full whole number
  126. 5:54so you might describe uh a
  127. 5:570.25 Delta option as 25 5 Delta um just
  128. 6:01know that uh this very very common and
  129. 6:04it's the difference between um like
  130. 6:05speaking and writing I think it's a lot
  131. 6:07more common in writing to see 0.25
  132. 6:11describing the Delta but in conversation
  133. 6:14someone would probably describe it as 25
  134. 6:16Delta uh
  135. 6:18option the standard Equity multiplier
  136. 6:21for an option is 100 so we say cedus
  137. 6:24parabus which means everything else all
  138. 6:26else equal if the stock price like
  139. 6:29teleports in 0 seconds down
  140. 6:34$1 then a minus .25 Delta put right I
  141. 6:39would call that like a like a 25 Delta
  142. 6:41put we'll see its premium increase by
  143. 6:45$25 okay you have a $1 you know minus1
  144. 6:51doll price change times minus 0.25 which
  145. 6:55is our Delta times the standard 100
  146. 6:58Equity uh multiplier for Equity options
  147. 7:01and that equals uh
  148. 7:03$25 and the the intuitive way to uh talk
  149. 7:08about Delta is uh in terms of like like
  150. 7:13share equivalent um or you know what it
  151. 7:16like like what it feels like to own to
  152. 7:19own that that number of shares so the
  153. 7:22share equivalent of a uh a 25 Delta put
  154. 7:26which is going to be negative is going
  155. 7:28to is going to feel
  156. 7:30like being short 25 shares of stock XYZ
  157. 7:35because if stock XYZ if you if you were
  158. 7:38short 25 shares of stock XYZ and the
  159. 7:41price of XYZ uh went down by
  160. 7:44$1 your your p&l your profit and loss
  161. 7:48would would be plus $25 you would you
  162. 7:51would have unrealized gain of $25 and
  163. 7:54that's exactly uh cus parabus what would
  164. 7:57happen with a a 20 5 Delta put as well
  165. 8:02if the price drops by
  166. 8:04$1 then your the option value uh the
  167. 8:09premium associated with that option
  168. 8:11would be uh would be $25 higher because
  169. 8:15the price has moved $1 in your direction
  170. 8:18and it was a 25 Delta option but when we
  171. 8:21talk about when we talk about Gamma
  172. 8:23we'll know that okay now that the price
  173. 8:25has moved down now it's like now it has
  174. 8:27a bigger Delta value so the next dollar
  175. 8:30move in your direction is going to be
  176. 8:32even it's going to be even larger right
  177. 8:34and that's um you know that's uh that
  178. 8:36has to do with with what we would say is
  179. 8:39convexity and why uh long long options
  180. 8:43long calls and long puts uh can have
  181. 8:46such a can have such a handsome reward
  182. 8:50uh profile when when price moves in your
  183. 8:53direction very quickly and so the one
  184. 8:57the one last thing that I just wanted to
  185. 8:59to Riff on briefly for Delta is uh is
  186. 9:05something that I hear uh now again and
  187. 9:09like like some some people would say
  188. 9:11that Delta is the probability of the the
  189. 9:15option in question um expiring in the
  190. 9:19money and uh I I don't think that's
  191. 9:22actually I don't think that's true like
  192. 9:24if we were to do an empirical study and
  193. 9:26we were to look at all the the 10 Delta
  194. 9:30calls and the 10 Delta puts I I suspect
  195. 9:34that those wouldn't finish in the money
  196. 9:3610% of the time right like I I don't
  197. 9:39think I think that's a I think that's a
  198. 9:42that's a good heuristic when you're
  199. 9:43talking about the at the money call or
  200. 9:45the at the money put because the at the
  201. 9:47money call or at the money put is
  202. 9:49typically around 50 Delta and that makes
  203. 9:54uh that makes logical sense right you
  204. 9:55have an you have an at the money
  205. 9:57contract it's like 5050 you don't you
  206. 10:00know 50/50 chance is the price going to
  207. 10:02go up one penny or down one penny and
  208. 10:04your and your uh option will finish in
  209. 10:06the money like buy one penny or out of
  210. 10:09the money buy one penny right like that
  211. 10:11that makes sense um if you think you
  212. 10:14know if you're if you're being a real
  213. 10:17first principls um student of this stuff
  214. 10:21the the at the money Delta 50 that makes
  215. 10:24sense right there's like a 50-50 chance
  216. 10:26that option finishes in the money if it
  217. 10:29EXP fires in the next one second or or
  218. 10:31whatever like that but um towards the
  219. 10:35the tals right at the extremes I think
  220. 10:38that uh probability of finishing in the
  221. 10:40money I think it's um uh I'm not I'm not
  222. 10:43sure that necessarily would uh would
  223. 10:45hold true right I think it's better to
  224. 10:47just um focus on focus on Delta as like
  225. 10:51your your underlying price payoff um
  226. 10:55multiple for uh for for a given trade
  227. 10:59you'll recall if you watched our review
  228. 11:01from last week uh this slide was on here
  229. 11:04uh and and I wanted to show this this
  230. 11:06slide again really quick here because it
  231. 11:08animates uh what the p&l difference is
  232. 11:10for a foot calendar spread as time goes
  233. 11:14by so when when the trade starts there's
  234. 11:19like a like a lower like a like tent
  235. 11:22kind of section here and as time goes on
  236. 11:25the The Profit will become uh
  237. 11:27potentially quite large right at the
  238. 11:30strike uh that you that you sold and
  239. 11:32bought over those different times and so
  240. 11:36the last thing I want to touch on when I
  241. 11:38say that a that a calendar spread that's
  242. 11:41designed in this way has um convexity
  243. 11:46what I what I mean by Delta convexity is
  244. 11:48that over time as we get closer to
  245. 11:51expiration moves in the underlying are
  246. 11:55going to have a a more drastic uh Delta
  247. 12:00change on a calendar spread and so what
  248. 12:05you're looking at right here is my um
  249. 12:08like a like a crude illustration of that
  250. 12:11um you know be gentle be gentle it's
  251. 12:13like it's you know I'm not a a
  252. 12:16professional programmer by any stretch
  253. 12:18right so take it so be easy on on me
  254. 12:22here and I chose and I I chose this one
  255. 12:24I know um I my consistency score is is
  256. 12:29getting I'm getting an F for consistency
  257. 12:31in this one because I'm I'm talking
  258. 12:33about a call calendar in this image and
  259. 12:36we've been presenting on on put
  260. 12:38calendars before but uh I chose the call
  261. 12:41calendar to hopefully avoid any
  262. 12:44confusion about um negative Deltas here
  263. 12:47and I think once you see what I'm gonna
  264. 12:49what I'm just gonna uh point out as time
  265. 12:52goes on is that this same uh like
  266. 12:55visualization makes sense for a put
  267. 12:57calendar as well um and really what this
  268. 13:00is is just an expression you you'll
  269. 13:02recall from our last slide
  270. 13:05um let me yeah okay in this last slide
  271. 13:10you saw how like over over time this
  272. 13:13calendar like becomes closer and closer
  273. 13:15to a like a tent right and as you're as
  274. 13:18you're approaching that strike and as
  275. 13:20time is going by the p&l right the
  276. 13:22profit associated with this structure is
  277. 13:24getting is getting bigger and bigger and
  278. 13:28there's a reason for that and it's this
  279. 13:31uh what I'm describing as uh Delta
  280. 13:34convexity okay so in this example here
  281. 13:39right our uh I think I have this set I
  282. 13:42think the uh the calendar like the in
  283. 13:45this structure it's a like a a 5825 SPX
  284. 13:50call calendar which is out of the out of
  285. 13:53the money by like I don't know like 2%
  286. 13:55something something like that um above
  287. 13:57spot price okay
  288. 14:00and the way I had it set up is um you're
  289. 14:03like you're selling this upcoming Friday
  290. 14:05and you're you're buying the Monday um
  291. 14:08after this you know a after that right
  292. 14:10so like the only thing in between these
  293. 14:12two is the is the
  294. 14:14weekend and uh the way that these
  295. 14:16numbers here work right from left to
  296. 14:19right is is um like the number of days
  297. 14:21until this front contract expires okay
  298. 14:25when you initially put the trade on like
  299. 14:27on Tuesday when I started building this
  300. 14:30when I put when I put this together on
  301. 14:31Tuesday there were like 4 days until
  302. 14:34that front contract expired and then at
  303. 14:36300 that's like three days left right I
  304. 14:39I did this as it's like a percentage of
  305. 14:41day remaining until the front option
  306. 14:44expires okay so finally to the point
  307. 14:47that I want to illustrate here so if you
  308. 14:51if you put this trade on on Tuesday and
  309. 14:55then on on Wednesday we get a real
  310. 14:59like we get a real ripper in the in the
  311. 15:02S&P 500 and the S&P 500 like rallies up
  312. 15:072% um that's like that's that's still
  313. 15:11great for this trade this this call
  314. 15:13calendar is going to um is going to
  315. 15:16appreciate uh in price pretty
  316. 15:18significantly and you'll do you'll do
  317. 15:20pretty well right you'll you'll make
  318. 15:22you'll make money on this uh on this
  319. 15:24trade and the reason you'll make money
  320. 15:25is because your Deltas are increasing
  321. 15:27right so if we
  322. 15:29uh you know if if it's um it is yeah
  323. 15:33okay here here's my like three days
  324. 15:35right it goes over time uh and so over
  325. 15:38the day on Wednesday your Delta is
  326. 15:41increasing from let's say
  327. 15:440.25 to
  328. 15:46point
  329. 15:49uh yeah here okay is it's increasing to
  330. 15:53like 0 4 you know at the at the maximum
  331. 15:56Point here it's 044 uh one right it
  332. 15:59starts to again this is this like time
  333. 16:02effect that's that's taking place here
  334. 16:04but you can see that the Delta increases
  335. 16:06by Point uh 02 Deltas okay so we go from
  336. 16:11like 025 to
  337. 16:140.46 at the very highest and that's
  338. 16:18that's if we get this excellent price
  339. 16:20appreciation on Wednesday because we
  340. 16:23bought it on Tuesday well what happens
  341. 16:26if instead we actually get that price
  342. 16:30appreciation on
  343. 16:34Thursday okay well on
  344. 16:36Thursday our our Delta starts at
  345. 16:39approximately the same approximately the
  346. 16:42same uh Delta here it's like a tiny it's
  347. 16:45like a tiny bit higher because that
  348. 16:47front contract has um collapsed in price
  349. 16:51more than the uh back contract has so
  350. 16:54the Delta is going to be just the back
  351. 16:56contract has kept a tiny bit more
  352. 16:59long Delta um then then and the the
  353. 17:02front contract has collapsed a fair
  354. 17:04amount or or has collapsed more because
  355. 17:07it's expiring sooner so here we start
  356. 17:09from like 0
  357. 17:1127 and if we get that same move up
  358. 17:15towards
  359. 17:175800 oh wow what a difference right now
  360. 17:20it's at 08
  361. 17:22Delta and so what I'm trying to convey
  362. 17:26here is that
  363. 17:29this this price increase like this 100
  364. 17:32Point SPX price increase uh changes the
  365. 17:36Delta on a call calendar on Thursday by
  366. 17:39like I don't know what is that like
  367. 17:41three like 3x something like that um
  368. 17:45whereas on uh Tuesday it kind of only
  369. 17:49doubled it right it only it only went up
  370. 17:51by 2x
  371. 17:54so if you if you like get even closer to
  372. 17:57the wire right if you're if you're
  373. 17:58riding even closer and you're letting it
  374. 18:00go and it's on it's on Friday and that
  375. 18:02font front contract is expiring today
  376. 18:04and you get you get a nice rip up
  377. 18:07towards your 58 you know 5825 point up
  378. 18:11here now now we're really talking right
  379. 18:14this thing goes from 0.015 Delta to 0.19
  380. 18:20so at that point that's more than 10x
  381. 18:22right that's like 15 or 14 that's like a
  382. 18:2514x increase in in deltas and the price
  383. 18:32appreciation of this structure is going
  384. 18:34to be commiserate with its move in
  385. 18:36Deltas right we I said that back in my
  386. 18:39back in my Mr nerd slide here uh right
  387. 18:45Delta is like that there's like an
  388. 18:48inextricable connection between Delta
  389. 18:50and premium associated with the the like
  390. 18:53the net position of your contract right
  391. 18:56so when price moves in your direction as
  392. 19:01this front contract is getting closer
  393. 19:03and closer to
  394. 19:04expiration smaller smaller moves in the
  395. 19:08underlying Equity generate a larger
  396. 19:13increase in the value of your overall
  397. 19:17position and what I think is like is
  398. 19:21really is is really kind of magical
  399. 19:24about that is that from a psychological
  400. 19:28perspective it kind of makes these
  401. 19:29easier to hold on to right
  402. 19:34because if price is steadily moving in
  403. 19:37your direction if you just hold an
  404. 19:40outright if you just hold an an outright
  405. 19:43out of the money call and you just like
  406. 19:45wait and the underlying price reaches
  407. 19:47your strike by
  408. 19:50expiration like you had you made a good
  409. 19:52prediction but you didn't make any money
  410. 19:54you lost money right because like you
  411. 19:57you know you had to pay for that call
  412. 19:58and price didn't get high enough right
  413. 20:00it's like over time you're constantly
  414. 20:02chasing like the like the value of the
  415. 20:05call you're watching it psychologically
  416. 20:08and you were right in your prediction
  417. 20:10but you're watching the value of your
  418. 20:12call the premium on that call like not
  419. 20:14go up when you were right and H the
  420. 20:17frustration right like I can't I you
  421. 20:21don't have to you don't have to tell me
  422. 20:23about that kind of that kind of
  423. 20:25frustration right it's aggravating to
  424. 20:27make a great forecast
  425. 20:29and then to have the trade actually lose
  426. 20:33money because your forecast was was good
  427. 20:37but price didn't go up enough or it
  428. 20:39didn't move up fast enough well call
  429. 20:43calendars that are out of the money if
  430. 20:44you're predicting a price increase they
  431. 20:47do away with this problem they're like
  432. 20:49the opposite of that if price steadily
  433. 20:53moves in your direction if you forecast
  434. 20:55a price increase and and that and that
  435. 20:58like just perfectly Graces its way up
  436. 21:00into that area it's like the opposite of
  437. 21:03that effect uh where you're just holding
  438. 21:06an outright call and you're watching it
  439. 21:08not appreciate um and you're you know
  440. 21:11cursing the market gods for for giving
  441. 21:14you this forecasting gift and a position
  442. 21:18that's not making any money right the
  443. 21:20calendar Trader is looking at his or her
  444. 21:24p&l and thinking nice right like this
  445. 21:27the value of this is going up um
  446. 21:30commiserate with my forecasting skill so
  447. 21:36uh to wrap up my Delta section here with
  448. 21:39a with a little
  449. 21:40bow what makes calendars unique and and
  450. 21:46appealing is that your uh your price
  451. 21:52prediction will pay off really well if
  452. 21:57if the underlying kind of like cruises
  453. 22:00into like cruises into the area where uh
  454. 22:04you're forecasting price to be and and
  455. 22:07you could see right it's it's uh that is
  456. 22:10demonstrably accurate because the the
  457. 22:13Delta on the like the net call calendar
  458. 22:18here um becomes quite large as that
  459. 22:21front contract is expiring compared to
  460. 22:25when the trade starts like if SPX price
  461. 22:27just teleported up to 5825 it I mean
  462. 22:30it'd be great your your Delta would
  463. 22:33increase right you would make you would
  464. 22:35make some money on this trade but you if
  465. 22:37price just teleports up you want to own
  466. 22:40you just want to own a call or you just
  467. 22:42or if it teleports down you just want to
  468. 22:44own a put because you're going to get
  469. 22:47all the the positive effects uh that are
  470. 22:49built into that in that scenario but if
  471. 22:53price just kind of Glides in One
  472. 22:55Direction you know if it kind of just
  473. 22:57chops up and down you chops up and down
  474. 22:59into this range um then your payoff is
  475. 23:02going to
  476. 23:03be uh is is going to be really really
  477. 23:07good and and again like I I will lean on
  478. 23:10this from a theoretical angle by saying
  479. 23:13look at the growth of the
  480. 23:16Delta the the Delta change from like
  481. 23:19trade initiation at being you know Point
  482. 23:2302023 relatively low to being 10 times
  483. 23:26higher than that at expiration
  484. 23:29um of the front contract where you're
  485. 23:31predicting price is going to go uh
  486. 23:34that's the that's the conclusion of my
  487. 23:36my Delta uh section if there obviously
  488. 23:39if there are any questions uh I'm happy
  489. 23:42to I'm happy to field them and uh I am
  490. 23:45also working on a way to make this kind
  491. 23:48of visualization um available because I
  492. 23:52do think it helps kind of build up your
  493. 23:54intuition um about how about how an
  494. 23:58option structure payoff is g to um is
  495. 24:01going to work over over time so um you
  496. 24:05know stay stay tuned hopefully we have
  497. 24:07something to we'll have something that
  498. 24:09that helps um Express uh or that helps
  499. 24:12you see how this trade is
  500. 24:16gonna manifest on your p&l over over
  501. 24:19time what effect if any at all does
  502. 24:23gamma have on these put calendar spreads
  503. 24:27so the gamma is is actually what's like
  504. 24:30accelerating these Deltas higher and
  505. 24:32higher as um as we March closer to the
  506. 24:37expiration of the front um
  507. 24:41contract so your net like your net gamma
  508. 24:46on this on a a put or a call calendar
  509. 24:50that's out of the money in this way is
  510. 24:53is going to be positive and it's going
  511. 24:56to move Deltas in your it's going to
  512. 24:58like it's going to move the net right
  513. 25:01the combined long and short Deltas of
  514. 25:04the position in in your favor um faster
  515. 25:09and faster as we approach um
  516. 25:13expiration like you're still going to be
  517. 25:15net positive gamma over here uh around
  518. 25:18like you know day Zero and day one of
  519. 25:20your trade initiation um and you can see
  520. 25:24like there like the Leaps and Bounds so
  521. 25:27to speak right the delta increases
  522. 25:29they're not really that fast as you as
  523. 25:31price moves up right from from this like
  524. 25:34$10 SPX change um gives you an increase
  525. 25:38of
  526. 25:3903 Deltas uh which means like the gamma
  527. 25:43there is like is relatively small and it
  528. 25:46even starts to slow down here as you get
  529. 25:49closer to the like the long short strike
  530. 25:53whereas when you get over here closer to
  531. 25:56expiration okay well now
  532. 25:59a a $10 change from uh 5730 to 5740
  533. 26:04changes the the net Delta of the
  534. 26:06position by
  535. 26:090.15 uh which I know doesn't seem like a
  536. 26:11ton you know like we're we're talking
  537. 26:14about these tiny fractions and
  538. 26:15everything but got to remember SPX is a
  539. 26:18$5,700 product right so like one Delta
  540. 26:23it's like valuable is a valuable thing
  541. 26:26to have on an SPX um on an SPX contract
  542. 26:32right you cherish you cherish every
  543. 26:34Delta you get um on when you're tra when
  544. 26:39you're TR trading the SPX because it's
  545. 26:41such a large U it's such a large product
  546. 26:43right so like you know take a step back
  547. 26:46and remember oh hey I'm trading a $5,700
  548. 26:50stock uh so when it moves two Deltas
  549. 26:54that's like that's pretty
  550. 26:56good so why KK asks is it best to
  551. 27:01exercise the long position when it comes
  552. 27:04in the money and what is the best
  553. 27:07situation to exit the strategy okay yeah
  554. 27:10excellent excellent questions okay
  555. 27:14so in this in this particular example um
  556. 27:18with the SPX I uh like the SPX is a cash
  557. 27:23subtle product and it's also a European
  558. 27:25style option um so you never have to
  559. 27:27worry about early assignment or anything
  560. 27:29like that because it can't be assignment
  561. 27:32doesn't happen until expiration right
  562. 27:35it's only only allowed at expiration so
  563. 27:37SPX is um kind of a special case
  564. 27:41here the inter if you were uh if you're
  565. 27:44dealing with like a single single name
  566. 27:45Equity or spy QQQ something like that
  567. 27:49generally generally speaking you would
  568. 27:53want to uh you would want to exit at
  569. 27:56your strike price right that's ideal
  570. 27:58place to exit but I say I say that um
  571. 28:02and gosh I just I hate to invite
  572. 28:04discretion into this sort of thing but I
  573. 28:07would say you wanna like you want to use
  574. 28:10your you want to use your forecast as a
  575. 28:12guide because with a calendar spread if
  576. 28:17the underlying price just like rips
  577. 28:20right past your right past your strike
  578. 28:23um there like there's a time where
  579. 28:26you're actually going to where where you
  580. 28:28you'll wind up with kind of a with a
  581. 28:30loser right which can be um annoying uh
  582. 28:35that you know price that price moved uh
  583. 28:38that price moved too much but like you
  584. 28:41can use your use your forecast as a
  585. 28:44guide right I I like am almost cringing
  586. 28:47at hearing myself saying this but like
  587. 28:50you it's like a it's kind of a it's kind
  588. 28:51of a discretionary God it's kind of a
  589. 28:54discretionary decision I would argue
  590. 28:57that in an Ideal World you want to
  591. 29:01always be able to trade at least two
  592. 29:04right like two units of calendars so you
  593. 29:06technically have four contracts two
  594. 29:08spreads and you could initiate you would
  595. 29:11initiate the trade and get your fill and
  596. 29:13like the first thing you could do is set
  597. 29:14a limit cell at maybe um like
  598. 29:21150% uh profit right like uh like the
  599. 29:25value of the spread has increased by say
  600. 29:27150%
  601. 29:28because that's not that's not un
  602. 29:31unreasonable or unachievable if price
  603. 29:34begins to move in your direction
  604. 29:36relatively um relatively quickly as far
  605. 29:41as as far as exercising um exercising
  606. 29:45the long that's a that's an excellent
  607. 29:47question because in theory if you were
  608. 29:49trading this on uh I I know some one of
  609. 29:54these uh one of these China names that
  610. 29:55just went ballistic PDD okay if you had
  611. 29:59a calendar on PDD at 110 and it rallied
  612. 30:04up to 150 well now you're shorter you're
  613. 30:07shorter call that's $40 in the money
  614. 30:09right and you have um uh you have
  615. 30:12assignment risk there right you're at
  616. 30:15risk of needing to uh or rather delivery
  617. 30:17risk I guess technically you're at risk
  618. 30:19of needing to deliver a 100 shares of
  619. 30:22PDD um and uh you know the market price
  620. 30:25of those is 150 and you promis to to
  621. 30:28deliver at 110 and that could be a that
  622. 30:31could be an unpleasant loss right there
  623. 30:33what I what I suspect would happen or or
  624. 30:35at least you know what I hope would
  625. 30:37happen is that if you happen to be away
  626. 30:41from your screens uh and you have a
  627. 30:44calendar on and you have one of these
  628. 30:45like PDD situations where the underlying
  629. 30:48price goes way past your your strikes um
  630. 30:52my my hope would be that your broker has
  631. 30:55the has the understanding uh probably
  632. 30:58after communicating you with about about
  633. 31:00this uh that you don't want to deliv you
  634. 31:03don't want to be forced to deliver those
  635. 31:04shares and so what would happen is that
  636. 31:07um should an early assignment come your
  637. 31:10way and you are obliged to deliver 100
  638. 31:12shares of PDD um you would uh your your
  639. 31:16broker would exercise your would
  640. 31:19exercise the long call to give you those
  641. 31:21100 shares um and and have you uh
  642. 31:25deliver you know deliver that way right
  643. 31:27so you don't don't have to so the next
  644. 31:30so the next day you don't wind up short
  645. 31:32100 shares of PDD and um dealing with
  646. 31:34the margin implications of that so I
  647. 31:37would say uh on a case where your
  648. 31:40strikes just get blown away and uh the
  649. 31:44underlying rallies far far beyond uh
  650. 31:48where you you had forecasted the price
  651. 31:50to move youd want to have your broker um
  652. 31:53exercise the long leg uh to cover your
  653. 31:56obligation to deliver shares on the
  654. 31:58short leg

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