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0:00Shut it down.
0:02>> College students screamed to prevent
0:05Heather Macdonald from giving a talk
0:07that said, "Blue lives matter."
0:09>> Black lives, they matter here.
0:13>> McDonald is controversial because she
0:15writes about uncomfortable topics like
0:18race, a war on cops, and the diversity
0:22delusion. I've released short videos
0:24with McDonald, but she has much more to
0:26say about things like discrimination,
0:29crime, feminism, and America's welfare
0:32state. So, here's our full interview.
0:35You've written these horrible, say some
0:38controversial things for years, been
0:41vilified, ignored. Now, Donald Trump is
0:44president and he's saying, "Yeah, these
0:47things are true and I'm going to fix
0:49them." Whether you are a doctor, an
0:51accountant, a lawyer, or an air traffic
0:55controller,
0:56you should be hired and promoted based
0:58on skill and competence, not race or
1:01gender.
1:02>> I think he's going to liberate us. It is
1:04an extraordinary thing to have the man
1:07with the greatest bully pulpit in the in
1:09the world really saying, "You can't
1:12scare me by calling me a racist." It is
1:15really hard to calculate what the
1:17effects of that are going to be long
1:19term, but it is going to make a
1:22difference because for far too long the
1:24left, people who hate Western
1:27civilization, who hate American
1:29civilization, who hate the idea of
1:32excellence and merit, have been able to
1:35silence
1:36dissenters from their their orthodoxy by
1:40calling them a racist. And you can say
1:42to Trump all you want, you're a racist
1:44for downsizing the federal bureaucracy.
1:47You're a racist for saying that science
1:50awards should be granted based on get
1:52this scientific knowledge and not race
1:55or gender. And he doesn't give a damn.
1:57He just keeps on doing it. So it's
2:00really [snorts] from that respect, it's
2:03an extraordinary moment to be living
2:05through.
2:06>> Well, let's break some of that down.
2:08hatred of Western civilization. What do
2:11you mean
2:11>> for the left to claim that the West is
2:16the source of inequity in the world, of
2:20inequity in history, of oppression, of
2:24systemic racism, of the
2:29crushing of minority voices, of
2:32indigenous populations
2:34that is so ignorant, it is so blind to
2:39the reality of history. The fact of the
2:41matter is there is not a single culture
2:45or a single civilization that has not
2:48tried to gain as much power and as much
2:52dominance over its neighbors as possible
2:55to the limits of its technological
2:57capacity.
2:58>> But the West was powerful and did it and
3:01did dominate.
3:03>> Yes. Because we had the technology to do
3:05it. It wasn't for lack of trying on
3:07everybody else and unfair
3:09>> unfair up to a point. Uh we also brought
3:13the rule of law. We brought science. We
3:16brought engineering to cultures that for
3:20millennia had lived with devastating
3:23disease with devastating poverty. Uh and
3:27in fact really rather soon within the
3:32era of colonialism
3:34the west began rethinking this entire
3:37project. It was England that put its
3:41treasury to at to bear on trying to end
3:45the transatlantic slave trade. They
3:47blockaded the coast of West Africa with
3:50their navy. They spent 13% of their
3:54naval resources to try to stop that
3:56trade. They occupied Lagos, Nigeria to
3:59try to get them to stop trading in
4:01slaves. There's still slave trading
4:03going on in parts of the Arabic world.
4:06The ideas that the left uses to
4:08discredit the West are uniquely Western
4:13ideas. The West came up with the idea of
4:16rights. The West came up with the idea
4:18of equal rights, of tolerance, of
4:21freedom from religious domination. These
4:24are all Western ideas that now the left
4:26hurls back against us and say, "Well,
4:28you're not perfect in them." No, we're
4:30not, but no other civilization is as
4:33well.
4:33>> You make the left sound like they
4:36controlled everything.
4:37>> They pretty much did. They controlled
4:39the elite establishments. They have
4:42dominated universities. They've
4:43dominated the curriculum. I think that
4:45white people are committed to being
4:47villains in the aggregate, right?
4:49>> Silly people in universities,
4:52but they got power. How did they get
4:55power to change our world?
4:57>> That's a good question. Why did people
5:00give in? And this is something I
5:03struggle with all the time, John, of
5:05what is it about Western civilization
5:08uniquely about Western civilization that
5:11subjects itself to this this corrosive
5:15acid of unending critique. Critique is
5:18>> we're open to criticism. Critique is
5:20very good. That's what made us the
5:23success we were of Plato and Socrates
5:26saying an unquestioned life is not worth
5:28living. You know, consider your received
5:32assumptions. Are they correct? That is
5:35very good. Do not accept superstition.
5:37Do not accept authority. Now, here we're
5:40getting into some problems, you know,
5:42because if you and as a libertarian,
5:45you're going to take a different stance
5:47on this.
5:47>> I resist authority.
5:48>> You resist all authority. And I would
5:50say
5:50>> all authority, but
5:51>> Okay. Well, there's your your your
5:53technique. Well, not all authority,
5:55certainly. And I would say, you know,
5:57obviously there's a pendulum swing here,
5:59but it can go too far when you have
6:02people believing that they have the
6:04right to resist arrest that they they
6:08get to decide on the on the spot uh you
6:11know what's legitimate authority or not.
6:13That can be too far. And that certainly
6:15parental authority is valid and at some
6:18point teachers authority is valid. So we
6:21can go up the line of of aging at what
6:24you know, how much do you question uh
6:27college authority? Right now you have
6:29this weird blend where you have these
6:31college students that are acting out
6:33little psycho dramas of oppression and
6:35rebellion, pretending that they're
6:37questioning authority when they're not.
6:39They're simply paring the anti-colonial
6:42rhetoric that they're getting from their
6:44universities and they're play acting
6:46being revolutionaries in their college
6:48quad. But they won. They changed
6:51government. They changed corporations.
6:54>> I know
6:54>> white people are all racist.
6:56>> They cancelled people.
6:58>> At the Anza College, uh I was being
7:01accused of white speaking and white
7:04slaining and supporting white supremacy.
7:07It is understandable that we have a
7:10guilty conscience when it comes to all
7:13issues related to race because of our
7:17>> centuries long betrayal of our founding
7:20ideals and not being willing to accord
7:24black Americans the same rights as we
7:26proclaimed were inherent in all human
7:28beings.
7:29>> So that's all they're saying. Remember
7:31that.
7:31>> No, they're saying much more than that.
7:33That's right. We should remember it and
7:35we do remember it. And believe me,
7:37there's not a single American textbook
7:39today that does not give vast amounts of
7:43attention to the abomination of slavery
7:46and to the courage of black
7:49abolitionists, of Frederick Douglas, and
7:51the voices in the 20th century that were
7:54also fighting the still incomplete
7:58uh fight until the 1960s for legal equal
8:02rights. We are susceptible to that but
8:05we have way overcorrected.
8:07>> You say desperate impact is destroying
8:10America. Most people don't even know
8:12what it is.
8:12>> It is a concept that was one of the
8:16greatest success stories of the a civil
8:20rights bar that was running out of cases
8:22to prosecute and wanted to expand its
8:25jurisdiction
8:27indefinitely into the future and and
8:29massively across society. it the history
8:33of it. We had civil rights statutes that
8:37were passed in the 1960s
8:40necessarily,
8:41belatedly,
8:43long overdue, that said as employers,
8:48you may not discriminate
8:50against applicants based on the color of
8:53their skin. And you may disagree with
8:55those. You may think that that's
8:56>> I do. I think that's your right. Okay.
8:59But for but for now we'll we'll we'll uh
9:02give that a pass and say so so so you're
9:06going to be more radical than I am on
9:07this. Um that you couldn't intentionally
9:11discriminate
9:12and
9:14that was seen as the way to dismantle
9:17America's long legacy of racism. Well
9:20then it turned out that employers
9:23sort of got their act together and
9:25stopped discriminating as intentionally.
9:29So the courts and activists came up with
9:33a new definition of what would be
9:37illegal discrimination
9:39and it gets rid of the idea of intention
9:42and intentional discrimination
9:44completely. Disperate impact is the
9:46conceit that if there's a standard that
9:50blacks do more poorly at, it's
9:52discriminatory.
9:53So if you have a certain expectation of
9:57reading level or math skills to qualify
10:01to be a teacher, to be a firefighter, to
10:04be a police officer and a employer
10:07administers a test and blacks do more
10:10poorly on that, that's a racist test.
10:13Instead of meeting the standard, our
10:15response is to throw out the standard.
10:18And the employer is not racist. You
10:20don't have to show that the employer
10:24wants to discriminate against blacks.
10:27The employer just wants a qualified
10:29workforce. But if he has used some kind
10:33of standard that means that there are
10:36less blacks qualifying, that then
10:38becomes something that violates civil
10:40rights. I'll give you an example right
10:42out of the Biden administration.
10:44Maryland State Police hoping to settle a
10:47US Justice Department investigation into
10:49its alleged racial discrimination by
10:51paying almost $3 million. The Maryland
10:55State Police wanted to make sure that
10:58the state troopers could read at a very
11:00basic level because as a police officer,
11:03you're going to need to write police
11:05reports. You're going to need to
11:07understand the patrol guide. you're
11:09going to need some level of of dealing
11:12with written language and being able to
11:14read and write. Very minimal level. So,
11:17the Maryland State Police had a written
11:19exam. And this is the type of question.
11:22Four very simple paragraphs
11:25written at like maybe a third grade
11:27level that discussed theft from
11:30libraries in the United States and then
11:34followed up a true or false question. Is
11:38theft a problem in US libraries? Just
11:41reading comprehension, have you been
11:43able to understand this four paragraph
11:45passage? Well, this test and the
11:48questions were all at that level of
11:50simplicity had what's known as a
11:52desperate impact on black applicants to
11:56be Maryland state troopers. Black
11:58applicants failed the test at higher
12:00rates than whites. The Maryland State
12:03Troopers didn't intend to exclude black
12:07state troopers. Racism had nothing to do
12:09with it. It was a color-blind neutral
12:12test of skills. But because it had a
12:15disperate impact on black applicants and
12:17disqualified more black applicants, the
12:20Biden Justice Department brought a suit
12:24against the Maryland State Police for
12:26having a discriminatory test. hiring
12:28tests that unfairly and unlawfully
12:31excluded them from employment.
12:33>> This is ridiculous. Taxpayers should not
12:36be on the hook for this. It was not a
12:38racist department. Desperate impact
12:41means that an institution can be
12:45completely colorblind. It can want to
12:47have as many different races as
12:50possible. But if it has a standard that
12:54it's colorblind, meritocratic, but that
12:57blacks do pearly on, you got to throw
12:59out the standard. And it's not just sort
13:01of public service jobs like policing.
13:04Our taxpayers in New York recently paid
13:06out $2 billion in damages because the
13:10exam for licensing teachers in New York
13:14State, which I can tell you went through
13:17decades of being dumbed down to
13:21prolleptically avoid disperate impact.
13:24Blacks still didn't do as well on it.
13:26And so a court decided even though
13:28you've spent decades throwing out every
13:30question on this exam that has too wide
13:33a racial divergence, it's still you
13:36still didn't have the same proportion of
13:38black applicants passing as white
13:40applicants. We're going to throw out the
13:42exam and you New York taxpayers are
13:45liable for $2 billion. Disperate impact
13:47is our greatest weapon against merit. It
13:50is their greatest weapon against
13:52excellence. And it is an abuse of the
13:55spirit of our civil rights laws, which
13:57was to say, "We're going to allow
13:59everybody to reach their highest
14:01potential. We ban discrimination, but we
14:04do not ban excellence. We do not ban
14:08high expectations. We want all people to
14:12reach the same level of competence.
14:14We're not going to have two standards of
14:16achievement. One for a particular race,
14:18another for another race. One for a
14:21particular sex, another for a different
14:23sex. We are going to have a single level
14:27of excellence in this society. And that
14:30is how we're going to move forward.
14:33>> There is a deliberate effort to hire
14:35more people from more diverse
14:37backgrounds to work as paramedics and
14:39EMTs. you're also maybe putting people's
14:41lives at risk because again, these are
14:44very simple skills that are being
14:45tested, but in an emergency situation,
14:48uh you want people that have the
14:51cognitive skills to to make some back
14:54the envelope calculations or simply be
14:57able to read. We saw this in New Haven
14:59as well, uh, a firefighter exam where
15:02you're you're asking people, they need
15:04to be able to read instructions on
15:07hazardous chemicals so that you don't
15:09mix the wrong chemicals. This is not a
15:11racist uh, demand. It is a color-blind
15:16bare minimum demand for these these
15:19types of jobs where public safety is at
15:22risk. But public safety is also at risk
15:25in medicine. There is a test for
15:28licensing doctors in medical schools
15:31called the medical licensing exam and
15:34it's admitted in a series of stages.
15:38Step one of the medical licensing exam
15:41used to be graded and so you would be
15:44able to see how students are doing on
15:46the curve and those grades were used for
15:49a number of things but for one thing by
15:51hospitals to choose residents for the
15:55most competitive highly demanding
15:57residencies whether it's neurology or
16:01very complicated surgery. And because
16:04black medical students were at the
16:06absolute bottom
16:09of the medical grading exam on step one,
16:12the licensing board for physicians
16:16decided to throw out the scores and make
16:20the exam pass fail so that hospitals and
16:23future employers have no way of
16:27evaluating whether this student is
16:31struggling to absorb are basic medical
16:34facts or is succeeding marvelously and
16:39is likely has a good chance of becoming
16:42the next physician scientist that might
16:45give us a breakthrough in understanding
16:47Alzheimer's disease. This pressure on
16:51medical licensing is going to continue
16:53into step two of the medical licensing
16:56exam. You already have medical schools
16:58that have simply waved the medical
17:02college admissions tests for black
17:03students because they do so poorly on
17:05them and are bringing blacks into
17:08medical schools with qualifications that
17:11would be automatically disqualifying if
17:13presented by whites or Asians. It's
17:15really a cruel thing for anybody to be
17:18catapulted into an environment for which
17:20he's not competitively qualified. They
17:22don't do well. And this is the same
17:24thing if for gender preferences. If MIT
17:28admitted me with math SATs of 650 on an
17:33800 point scale because they needed they
17:36felt they needed more gender diversity
17:39in their engineering class because there
17:41weren't enough females there. As if I
17:43care about the sex of somebody that is
17:47building a bridge that I want to get
17:48across safely. All I care is is that the
17:51best possible engineer for that job. But
17:53MIT has different ideas and thinks the
17:56gonads of engineers matter to their
17:59competence. So it admits me with 650 on
18:03an 800 point scale on math. And my peers
18:06who've been admitted based on merit, not
18:08gonads, all have 800s.
18:11I am going to struggle in my math
18:13classes in freshman year because I've
18:16been admitted to a peer group that is
18:19more academically qualified than I am.
18:21Now, I can still go to engineering
18:24school. I should go with students that
18:27also average 650 and my freshman
18:31calculus class and my freshman
18:34engineering and chemistry class will be
18:36pitched to my level of academic
18:38preparedness. But if I'm sent into MIT,
18:43it's frankly going to be hell on earth
18:45because I'm going to be behind. And lo
18:48and behold, what happens? The diversity
18:51bureaucrats show up and tell me, "If
18:54you're feeling out of place, if you're
18:56struggling, if you're not doing as well
18:59as your peers, it's because you're in a
19:02rape culture. It's because you're in a
19:05patriarchy. it's because you are
19:08surrounded by a female hostile
19:10environment. They're not going to be
19:12honest and say no, it's because you've
19:14been catapulted into an academic
19:16environment for which you are not
19:18competitively qualified. Now, the
19:21argument is always but they'll do
19:22better. They'll they'll catch up. They
19:25don't. It would be nice if they did, but
19:27they don't catch up. They struggle. It
19:29is cruel. It is an act of narcissism and
19:34ego on the part of these college
19:36administrators who only care about the
19:40photos that show up on their college
19:42website and making sure that they're
19:44suitably diverse and do not care about
19:47the fate of black students who have been
19:50admitted. More people of color are
19:52attending colleges and universities than
19:54ever before, but a graduation rate for
19:56black and Hispanic men is far behind the
19:58general public. Nobody such as myself
20:02and other opponents of racial
20:03preferences is saying blacks shouldn't
20:06go to college. We are only saying blacks
20:09should go to college on the same
20:11conditions as everybody else.
20:14They should go to colleges for which
20:16they are academically prepared and not
20:19catapulted into environments where they
20:22are set up with a handicap from the day
20:25they start school. That is cruel. It is
20:28thoughtless and it is done simply for
20:31the egos of college administrators.
20:34>> Blacks don't have the background and the
20:37money and the culture of many doctors in
20:40the family others have. It seems fair to
20:44give minorities a boost.
20:47>> It's not fair to the alleged recipient
20:50of a racial preference because you are
20:53putting them into an environment where
20:55they are going to struggle. That is
20:58cruel. It is hard. You may have been an
21:00800 math SAT, John, but if Okay, if you
21:04were not, imagine
21:05>> that was my brother.
21:07>> Okay, so you got all of the you got all
21:10the critical thinking and he just got
21:11the like the math wonkery, but would you
21:14want to be sent to MIT or Caltech
21:18without comparable skills to your peers?
21:23>> I don't see the black recipients of
21:24affirmative action complaining. Well,
21:26that's a that's a a a good point because
21:30there is a networking capacity there.
21:33So, one can ask
21:36whether that should dominate everything
21:38else. But the fact of the matter is we
21:41have less black doctors. We have less
21:44black scientists because of racial
21:46preferences. There was a very good study
21:48that came from a Duke economist that
21:52found that black male freshmen at Duke
21:56enter intending to major in a STEM field
21:58at a higher rate than white male
22:00freshmen at Duke intending to major in a
22:03science field. But by senior year, the
22:06science fields were practically
22:08exclusively dominated by whites and
22:10Asians because the black males had been
22:13admitted with a standard deviation below
22:16in SAT scores and they couldn't keep up.
22:20So they ended up transferring out of
22:22their intended STEM major into black
22:25studies or anthropology or postcolonial
22:28studies. So yes, they're graduating
22:32maybe uh but they are not graduating
22:35with the skills that they might have
22:37picked up had they been instead of going
22:40to Duke with a standard deviation below
22:45of of of academic skills to your peers?
22:48What's wrong with going to a North
22:50Carolina University school? The elitism
22:53of this discourse is amazing. It's
22:55basically if you don't go to Harvard,
22:57your life is over. Like all these
23:00blacks, they'll never have a chance in
23:02life if they don't go to Harvard. Or I
23:04remember the chancellor of you,
23:06University of California, Berkeley, when
23:08the California voters, one of the few
23:10smart things they've done, passed a
23:12constitutional amendment saying there
23:14shall be no racial preferences in
23:16government, including in college
23:18admissions. And the chancellor of
23:20Berkeley said,"Well, where will we get
23:23the leaders of tomorrow?" Meaning, you
23:27can't be a leader of California unless
23:28you go to Berkeley. Well, if that's the
23:30case, let's shut down University of
23:32California, Riverside. Let's shut down
23:34University of California, Los Angeles,
23:35and have everybody go to Berkeley if
23:38that's the only way you can succeed. In
23:40fact, there are many ways to get an
23:42education.
23:43>> I'm told the tests are racist. They've
23:45been scoured for any question vaguely
23:48relating to a riotta for like 50 years.
23:51That was the idea that these tests are
23:53based on this wasp cultural heritage.
23:57>> My understanding actually is that blacks
23:59did better on the riata question,
24:01[laughter]
24:02>> right? Well, the sports I guess I don't
24:04know maybe they they they knew what to
24:06study for. But the fact of the matter is
24:08if the if the tests were racist, they
24:11would underpredict
24:14black achievement in school because they
24:18were not sufficiently measuring
24:22black skills.
24:24And in fact, SATs
24:28overpredict
24:29black
24:31college performance. So they're not
24:33racist. But yes, we have the Chicago
24:36teachers union head who recently said
24:39that these standardized tests are just
24:41another vestage of white supremacy and
24:45whites, you know, racist obsession with
24:48excellence and objectivity and whatnot.
24:50The fact of the matter is SATs were
24:52created in order to overcome class bias
24:57that was favoring for the elite Ivy
25:00schools, the graduates of of prestigious
25:04prep schools in New England, the
25:06Andovers and Exits and CHOs and whatnot.
25:09We knew there was a lot of kids in the
25:11Midwest that didn't have access to those
25:15schools, but they had the academic
25:17skills to succeed. and that started
25:20breaking down what was actual class
25:22bias. So these tests have been ex
25:25examined and examined and examined.
25:27There is nothing better out there to
25:31predict uh
25:34college performance. The attack on
25:37merit, the attack on color-blind
25:39standards, the attack on high
25:42expectations of achievement
25:44is all being waged
25:48because we have this very troubling and
25:52very depressing, persistent
25:55academic skills gap on the one hand,
25:58meaning that and this is something
26:00that's very difficult to talk about and
26:02I need to give a trigger warning. It's
26:04something that well-meaning Americans
26:06turn their eyes away from. Uh, but the
26:09average skill level of black students is
26:13very, very low. According to the the
26:15most widely used objective, respected
26:18measures of student competence, the NAP,
26:22the National Assessment of Educational
26:25Progress, which is given to hundreds of
26:27thousands of uh high school students and
26:31elementary school students every couple
26:33of years. 66%
26:36of black 12th graders do not possess
26:39even the most basic 12th grade math
26:41skills. Blacks are way unprepared for
26:45college. They're way unprepared for
26:49graduate school, for medical school, for
26:51law school.
26:52>> You've been called a racist repeatedly
26:55for saying stuff like this. And
26:59reasonably people can say the only
27:01reason they're behind is because of the
27:04legacy of slavery. White people like us,
27:07we have capital, human capital and
27:10actual capital. many people have
27:13inherited and no wonder blacks are
27:16behind.
27:17>> Well, there's two different issues
27:18there. Is it racist to
27:22notice the skills gap or the crime gap
27:26and to offer that gap as an alternative
27:30explanation for what is now the only
27:33allowable explanation for the fact that
27:36for instance Google does not have 13%
27:40black engineers
27:42or uh cancer research lab does not have
27:4613%
27:48black oncologists working
27:49>> 13% being the percentage
27:51>> the percentage of blacks. The assumption
27:53is our dominant assumption today is if
27:57you have any institution that is not
28:00proportionally
28:02represented with blacks which is 13% of
28:04the population the only allowable
28:06explanation is racism. there there must
28:08be discrimination going on that that
28:11that oncology lab or the Google
28:14engineering lab or AI lab is
28:17discriminating against competitively
28:19qualified
28:20uh black engineers, black nano
28:24physicists,
28:25uh black experts in Alzheimer's disease.
28:28>> Maybe they are
28:29>> I profer the skills gap as an
28:32alternative explanation. The fact of the
28:34matter is, given the degree of that
28:38skills gap, the average black SAT score
28:43on math is 440 on an 800 point scale.
28:46The average combined black SAT score is
28:499007 on a 1600 point scale. That is very
28:52low. That skills gap means that you can
28:55have meritocracy in an institution or
28:59you can have diversity. You cannot have
29:01both. Any institution that tells you
29:04that we are giving priority to diversity
29:08is telling you we have discarded
29:10meritocracy because again there are
29:12simply not enough competitively
29:15qualified black applicants to go around
29:20to make those
29:22numbers match the proportion in the
29:24population. So that's one thing. Am I a
29:26racist for bringing this up? I am not.
29:28The facts are the facts. I don't care.
29:32The facts need to be looked at. They
29:34have been completely kept out of the
29:37public eye in order to keep the systemic
29:40lie of racism going on. Now, as far as
29:44what's the cause for that, that's a
29:46completely different discussion. But it
29:49does not have any bearing on whether
29:52right now there are institutions that
29:55are discriminating against qualified
29:57blacks. The opposite is the case. I talk
30:00to so many parents, Asian parents and
30:04white parents that tell me, "I've got
30:06this son. He had near-perfect medical
30:10college admission tests. These are the
30:12standardized tests, the MCATs, to get
30:14into medical school or nearperfect
30:17law school admissions tests, the LSATs.
30:20These are admissions tests to get into
30:22law school.
30:24incredible GPA, record of doing, you
30:27know, medical lab work as an
30:29undergraduate.
30:30My son didn't get into any medical
30:33schools because he is white and Asian
30:37and a male. This is very corrosive.
30:41This is
30:42>> those kids have money. They've had
30:44tutors. They have all the advantages.
30:47>> They have the skills. I do not care,
30:51frankly,
30:52uh, if they've had tutors. I want the
30:55best possible doctor. We don't have an
30:57over supply of doctors. If you tried to
30:59get an an opening appointment in a in a
31:02specialist recently, well, that'll be
31:04nine months away. You know, we clearly
31:06need more doctors. We are turning away
31:09the best applicants because they are the
31:13wrong race. We are not discriminating
31:17against black applicants. The University
31:20of California in San Francisco, it used
31:24to have about a third of its admitted
31:28medical school class was white. After
31:31the George Floyd race riots in 2020,
31:35the proportion of white students at UC
31:38San Francisco dropped to 15% equal to
31:42the 15% of black students. Blacks are
31:45about 6% of the population in
31:48California. Their MCAT scores would be
31:52automatically that are admitted to the
31:55University of California, San Francisco
31:56would be almost automatically
31:58disqualifying if presented by a white
32:00applicant. And yet there they are equal.
32:04Now, of course, if they're qualified,
32:07open arms. But I can tell you the
32:11reality of our world today is not white
32:14privilege, it's black privilege. That's
32:16just the the simplest way to say it. I
32:19will believe that the reality is white
32:21privilege when I hear about a black
32:24college senior saying, "How can I put my
32:28race down as white because that'll give
32:30me an admissions advantage to Harvard?"
32:32In fact,
32:34Harvard until recently had about 16%
32:38blacks in its freshman class. If it
32:40admitted based on academic merit, there
32:45would be less than 1% and
32:47>> class would be mostly Asian.
32:48>> Asian and Asians are being screwed.
32:52>> Harvard University's admissions process
32:53discriminates against Asian-American
32:56applicants.
32:57>> They are being kept out. And this is a
32:59problem because we want to give people
33:02the incentive to succeed. And so far,
33:05what's been going on with Asians is we
33:07keep raising the bar.
33:08>> The GPA was 4.42 weighted. Uh SAT score
33:12was 1590.
33:14>> Jong was rejected by 16 of the 18
33:16colleges he applied to.
33:17>> I really thought, you know, I had a good
33:19chance. And it turns out uh however good
33:23of a chance I had, I didn't get in.
33:24>> We say, okay, not enough to play two
33:27instruments, not enough to have perfect
33:29SATs, not enough to have perfect GPA.
33:32you also need to have like discovered
33:34some new cellular process to get into
33:36Harvard and then we say not good enough
33:39you know that we're going to raise the
33:40bar and they keep meeting it but at some
33:42point they must just say to hell with
33:45this you want to be able to tell people
33:48that if you work hard if you develop
33:52your skills to contribute to
33:54civilization to be able to push back the
33:58boundaries of ignorance which continue
34:01to hem around human progress, you will
34:04be rewarded and you will not be
34:07jeopardized based on your skin color.
34:09That was the fact with blacks for most
34:12of our history. And now we've just
34:14turned around and we're doing the same
34:16thing with regards to whites and Asians.
34:17And you could say, well, turnaround is
34:19fair play, but it is not in anybody's
34:22interest.
34:23>> I'm surprised you preceeded this by
34:25saying trigger warning.
34:28Is that serious?
34:29>> No. Well, it's tongue and cheek, but it
34:30I mean people don't like to hear it. It
34:32traumatizes.
34:34>> Trigger warnings were part of the
34:36leftist cult at colleges. Anytime
34:39somebody might be bothered by something,
34:42they said, "I feel threatened and
34:44therefore I don't want to hear it. I
34:46want to run away if I'm warned."
34:48>> Well, let's be more precise.
34:49>> Yes. Trigger warnings were specifically
34:52demanded by females who now drive the
34:56academic culture and they have been the
35:01biggest enemies of free speech on
35:03college campuses for decades now. They
35:06are the ones that claim to be so fragile
35:09that if they read oid's metamorphoses,
35:12one of the great works of literature
35:14that is a absolute extraordinary vision
35:18of constant transformation of a of a
35:22world that is in constant flux where one
35:26form changes into another where
35:30there's no stable knowledge, no stable
35:32reality. And Avid was writing about the
35:36Greek myths and in ex just e exquisite
35:41language, exquisite imagination. But in
35:45some of those myths, Jove and other
35:48males did abduct females.
35:52Okay, that was a literary conceit. But
35:56these females who are the absolute king
35:59of the hill that have had every
36:01privilege that has ever been available
36:02to females in history, they claim to be
36:05so delicate and and and vulnerable that
36:08they can't read oid because it will make
36:11them relive non-existent rape memories
36:14or something. and and they're the ones
36:16that gave us the absolutely we've
36:19learned now lethal
36:22uh connections between non-orthodox
36:25speech is hate speech
36:29and if you are a hater and if you use
36:33hate speech, hate speech must must be
36:35suppressed because it is allegedly so
36:40dangerous and hurtful to marginalized
36:44groups and females hilariously get to
36:46claim that they're marginalized even
36:48though they're about like twothirds of
36:49the student body at undergraduate levels
36:51and the vast majority of these
36:54ridiculous administrators that do
36:56absolutely nothing. So dissenting speech
37:00if you disagree with the theories about
37:02ubiquitous white supremacy or or postc
37:05colonial hegemony in in Israel or or
37:10endemic sexism, you're a hater. your
37:12hate speech has to be canceled and
37:14you're driven off campus. Here's another
37:15example of it. If I believe that my sex
37:18as a female is written into every cell
37:23of my body through the genetic code and
37:26that there are two biological sexes as
37:31determined by the overwhelming majority
37:35of sex organs in males and females. and
37:38that the sex is not some whim that the
37:42obstitrician decides at birth or just
37:44flip a coin, I'm going to assign you
37:46male or female. It's not that you've got
37:50a male organ there. It's just just whim
37:52and you can change it when you get
37:54older.
37:54>> But that idea has been pushed back,
37:56>> but that uh too was seen as a form of
38:00hate speech and it wasn't pushed back by
38:02Tyler Robinson. Charlie Kirk, before he
38:06came to Utah Valley University, there
38:09was a student petition that went around
38:11saying he he may not come to campus
38:14because he is a purveyor of hate and
38:17hate speech and he will put us students
38:21at risk. We will be in danger because
38:26Charlie Kirk is going to step on campus
38:28and debate us because he's a hater. And
38:31this was the language that Tyler
38:34Robinson used in explaining his decision
38:38to assassinate Charlie Kirk because some
38:41forms of hate cannot be negotiated with.
38:44>> President Trump says he's getting rid of
38:47affirmative action, DEI. So these
38:50problems are solved.
38:52>> We're bringing meritocracy, the American
38:54way, back. DEI at hood is dead. It's
38:58gone. Trump does have greater power over
39:02the federal bureaucracy for sure. So
39:05those claims may be true. It may be true
39:08that uh the official offices of
39:13diversity hiring in these agencies are
39:16now gone. Now, you still have a lot of
39:20personnel that believe deeply in the
39:24need for screwing white and Asians in
39:28the name of racial justice.
39:31But for now, it probably is the case
39:35that federal hiring is based on merit.
39:40That is less the case in the
39:42universities. I go between being
39:44optimistic and being pessimistic. You
39:46know, if I'm in a unusually for me
39:49optimistic mode, I do think that having
39:52a presidential role model for four years
39:56and maybe we'll get another eight of of
39:59somebody else who also is not cowed by
40:01the race hustle that we will be able to
40:04really beat back racial double
40:07standards.
40:08>> What do you mean race hustle? Race
40:09hustle is a possibility of an entire
40:12industry played upon racial guilt. The
40:16idea that you can get whites basically
40:21to endlessly apologize for
40:26non-existent racism that you can demand
40:29handouts. You can have quotas. You can
40:31have set aides. We've seen this in
40:33government contracting for years where
40:36firms are chosen not on the basis of
40:38their capacity to build a bridge but
40:41based on the the race or sex of their
40:44owners. The race hustle is the idea that
40:48you can get uh benefits and goodies by
40:55charging racism on absolutely fictitious
40:59grounds. The Trump administration
41:01sending a letter to nine prestigious
41:03colleges telling them to change course
41:05when it comes to things like deciding
41:07college admissions based on gender and
41:09race. At first it seemed like
41:11universities were a little bit worried
41:13by that. But now I see a lot of
41:15regrouping going on. Uh the all of these
41:20ridiculous offices of diversity, equity,
41:22and inclusion which have no function at
41:25all. Like please, none of your viewers
41:28should give any benefit of the doubt to
41:31these bureaucrats. There is no expertise
41:33behind it. To be a diversity bureaucrat
41:36does not mean you've got some
41:38specialized knowledge. No, there's no
41:40knowledge required to be a diversity
41:43bureaucrat. The only thing that's
41:44necessary is you're willing to prosecute
41:47the race hustle at the highest levels of
41:49the administration and you're willing to
41:51lie through your teeth about the fact
41:53that you exist in a racist institution.
41:56So Trump said no more federal money if
41:59you have a DEI office or if you're
42:02penalizing
42:03highly qualified white and Asian
42:05students because of their skin color in
42:07admissions and hiring um and promotions.
42:12So the universities, some of them did
42:15kind of dismantle the DEI offices, but a
42:19lot of the other ones just renamed them
42:20with some with some code words that were
42:23already circulating in use, but they've
42:25become even more popular now.
42:26>> We had to change the names of some of
42:27our programs and stuff. Uh like we had
42:30queer brunch. We can't call it queer
42:32brunch anymore.
42:33>> Yeah, you got to call it cozy brunch.
42:35diversity and equity becomes belonging
42:37and community. But it's still about the
42:40same conceit that without a special
42:42cadre of bureaucrats that these colleges
42:46are going to be filled with such hate
42:48and discrimination and we need
42:50protection.
42:51>> We're going to stop the destructive and
42:53divisive
42:55diversity, equity, and inclusion
42:57mandates.
42:58>> You call Trump a role model. I have
43:01trouble with that. He's a crude, selfish
43:04bully. Born to privilege.
43:08>> He's done some good things.
43:10>> Born to privilege. You know, I'm sorry
43:12that that uh doesn't
43:14>> that triggers you?
43:15>> It it it mean leaves me completely
43:17unmoved. I don't care. Uh I would agree
43:19with you on a lot of his personality,
43:22particularly as a male role model. He is
43:25a very poor one because he's vindictive.
43:27He's nasty. He lacks magnuminity.
43:31I was speaking exclusively to his
43:35courage in standing up to the race
43:37hustle. But you know, if we want to get
43:40into a Trump discussion here, it's a
43:42very day by day, it's an increasingly
43:44complicated picture. One can admire and
43:49support his ends and be very
43:52uncomfortable with his means. And uh the
43:55usual
43:57Republican or conservative response when
44:01somebody points out that he is arguably
44:05abusing power, using his own lawfare,
44:09going after his enemies, sicking the
44:12power of the IRS or the Justice
44:14Department, uh interfering in the normal
44:17processes of of neutral government. the
44:20usual responses, but the left's been
44:23doing that for decades. And they're
44:25right. It's hilarious. I It makes me
44:28really I both laugh and want to throw up
44:30when the universities complain that
44:32Trump is politicizing education. The
44:35administration is intentionally creating
44:37confusion using diversionary tactics in
44:40order to make those who don't fit their
44:43agenda the enemy.
44:44>> He's telling us we can't do unaloyed
44:47victim studies any longer. we have to
44:49have ideological balance or we can't
44:52admit based on race and sex. He's
44:53politicizing education. Excuse me. You
44:56were the guys that said no conservatives
44:59allowed here in in in in essence. I
45:01mean, that was the de facto rule. uh
45:03you're the ones that say if you want to
45:06give a speech on climate change but in
45:10your off hours as a as an academic you
45:15have written that that universities
45:17should operate on merit not on
45:19diversity. You will not be allowed to
45:21give your climate change speech at MIT
45:23because that is too uh too too against
45:27the orthodoxy. So universities have
45:29politicized themselves. Now they're
45:30claiming Trump is politicizing. That's
45:32ridiculous. So, yes, the left got there
45:35first, but that doesn't mean it can't
45:38get worse. And that the precedent that
45:41Trump is setting
45:44for
45:45a very, very muscular, if not
45:51unconstitutional,
45:52use of executive power will come back to
45:55haunt conservatives. One reason you're
45:58called the notorious white supremacist
46:01fascist is because you claim there are
46:03things called the Ferguson effect. The
46:06data shows that there is the Ferguson
46:08effect. When you demonize police
46:10officers and say that they are the
46:13biggest threat facing blacks and that
46:16black parents should fear every time
46:18their child goes outside that he will be
46:20killed by a police officer, which was a
46:22favorite uh refrain of President Barack
46:26Obama and President Joe Biden. You
46:29demoralize those cops when you tell them
46:32that if they go to high crime
46:33neighborhoods and get descriptions from
46:37the victims of shootings as to who's
46:40doing the shootings and make arrests,
46:42they are racist because they're being
46:45brought into high crime neighborhoods
46:48based on crime data.
46:49>> The post George Floyd riots resulted in
46:51excess of over 15,000 black male deaths
46:53in this country.
46:54>> You're literally making a connection out
46:56of your own conjecture.
46:58It's a real thing. Look up Look up the
46:59Ferguson effect. Look up the Floyd
47:01effect. It is a real term.
47:02>> You cannot You cannot
47:03>> It's a real term. I didn't make this up.
47:05>> Invent a connection between two things.
47:07>> The media's in a bubble. They only hear
47:10what they want to hear. They only see
47:12what they want to see. It's like, you
47:14know, mostly peaceful protests with the
47:16fires burning in the in the in the
47:17background. Same with like the ice riots
47:20in Los Angeles. Oh, these were peaceful.
47:22No, they were. You had people throwing
47:25cement blocks off of freeway overpasses
47:27on on police California Highway Patrol
47:30below. We all have our blinders. I'm
47:32sure I do, too. We all have confirmation
47:34bias. We pick up what we want to believe
47:37and we ignore evidence that counteracts
47:40that and we can excuse that away, you
47:42know. So all of us have real
47:45epistemological limitations and it's
47:48very hard to fight against and it's not
47:50pleasant to to be forced into debating
47:53your ideas. But the media has become
47:57really very ideologically monolithic. As
48:00a conservative, I can say I exist in a
48:03certain
48:04world of ideas and we all feel familiar
48:07with those ideas. And it can be sobering
48:11to realize how little they penetrate
48:14outside of the conservative intellectual
48:17environment or the libertarian one for
48:19that matter.
48:19>> Few Americans know that according to
48:22activists,
48:23>> it's not just the cops that are racist.
48:25Technology is racist.
48:26>> Shot Spotter has been a failure. Uh, the
48:29Chicago mayor Brandon Johnson wanted to
48:31get rid of a technology called Shot
48:34Spotter, which is just an acoustic
48:36device that picks up the sounds of of
48:39shots so that when people are not
48:41calling in shootings, the officers can
48:44get there anyway and often save lives if
48:46they find somebody who's, you know, in
48:48one case some a guy who was shot in a
48:50wheelchair. Nobody called in the
48:51shooting, but Shot Spotter picked it up
48:54and uh they were able to get him to the
48:56emergency room. But technology is racist
49:00because it shows that the vast vast vast
49:03majority of shootings happen in black
49:05neighborhoods. Black youth in Chicago,
49:10Philadelphia, New York, and Boston after
49:14the George Floyd race riots were shot at
49:16100 times the rate of white youth.
49:19That's not the cops that is making that
49:22up. The cops can't help those numbers.
49:26But it means that the cops cannot go
49:29where people are most being shot without
49:31being overwhelmingly black
49:32neighborhoods. But if you tell the cops,
49:34as we did after the shooting of Michael
49:37Brown in Ferguson, Missouri in 2014,
49:40that turned into the biggest one of the
49:42biggest hoaxes. This was the hands up,
49:44DON'T SHOOT HOAX.
49:46>> HANDS UP,
49:47>> DON'T SHOOT.
49:49DON'T SHOOT.
49:50>> Michael Brown, a very burly teenager,
49:52had just stolen something from a store
49:55and a police officer was called and and
49:59tried to stop him. And we were told that
50:02uh Brown in fleeing had his hands up and
50:06and said, "Hands up, don't shoot." Was
50:07shot, which was a complete lie. But this
50:10triggered months of rioting, not just in
50:13Ferguson.
50:14>> Hands up, [music] don't shoot.
50:16>> What was the truth? The truth was that
50:18he'd been trying to grab the officer's
50:20gun and had put the officer at justified
50:24fear of his life. The Obama Justice
50:28Department, to its incredible dismay,
50:31looked into the narrative and found it
50:34was untrue. Um, nevertheless, Obama
50:36said, "Nevertheless, there still is cop
50:38racism. Let's not forget that." I
50:40paraphrase. I paraphrase greatly.
50:42>> Isn't there cop racism?
50:43>> Not at all enough to worry about,
50:45frankly. I don't even want to talk about
50:47it because it is so minor an issue
50:51compared to what the real problem is
50:54facing blacks today. You could get rid
50:57of all police shootings of civilians
51:00tomorrow and it would have virtually no
51:03effect on the black death by homicide
51:05rate. Blacks between the ages of 10 and
51:0825
51:09die of gun homicide at 25 times the rate
51:13of whites in that age category. And
51:16they're not being killed by the cops.
51:18They're being killed by other blacks.
51:20And nobody wants to talk about it. We're
51:22supposed to believe that we're all
51:24racist. It's the media that's racist.
51:26They don't give a damn about black
51:28lives. They don't give a damn about the
51:30dozens of blacks who are killed by
51:33homicide every single day. That's more
51:35than all white and Hispanic homicide
51:37victims combined. Even though, as we
51:40said, blacks are 13% of the population.
51:42None, virtually none of those black
51:45homicide victims gets covered. We are
51:47not saying their names because they're
51:49killed by other blacks and we don't want
51:51to talk about that. So, the Ferguson
51:53effect says when you demonize the cops,
51:56the cops back off. And guess what
51:58happens? When the cops stop
52:01making stops, when they stop looking at
52:04hot spots where shootings have happened,
52:07and they back off, criminals get
52:09emboldened and more black lives are
52:11taken. That's what happened after the
52:14Ferguson riots, after the George Floyd
52:17race riots in 2020. We had an even
52:20greater meltdown. We had every single
52:23American elite institution declaring it
52:26was racist to the core and the cops were
52:29of course as usual uh the one of the
52:33main targets of this. 2020 saw the
52:36largest one-year increase in homicide in
52:39this nation's history. 29%
52:43and thousands more black lives were
52:45taken. That's what happens when you
52:49demonize the cops. Is there room for
52:51better training? Of course, there's
52:52always room for better cop training, but
52:55you're not going to get that by shooting
52:59the messenger, which is what we're
53:00doing.
53:03Policing today is data driven. One of
53:05the greatest government revolutions that
53:08you should support, John, began in the
53:11New York Police Department in the 1990s
53:13under Rudolph Giuliani and William
53:15Bratton. And it said, "Government has to
53:18be accountable. We're going to measure
53:19outcomes, not inputs. We're going to
53:21hold precinct commanders ruthlessly
53:24accountable for crime in their
53:26precincts. And if they are not
53:28controlling it and lowering it, their
53:30job is on the line. Good intentions
53:32don't matter anymore. What matters is
53:34are you performing? And we're going to
53:36measure that with data. So now policing
53:40in New York and elsewhere is rigorously
53:43data driven. They are they are
53:45monitoring on an hourtoby- hour basis
53:48where shootings are happening, where
53:49robbery patterns are breaking out.
53:52They're going where 911 calls are
53:55calling them. They would prefer not to
53:59be told that it's another black-on-black
54:02shooting. When I started writing about
54:05the cops, I was in the 67th precinct in
54:08Brooklyn
54:09and the cops there took me to the wanted
54:13poster for rob wall for robberies
54:18and and the victims of these robberies.
54:21It's not the racist cops,
54:24the victims are overwhelming black. The
54:27wanted posters were exclusively
54:31of black criminals.
54:33And the cops said to me, "We're not
54:35creating this world. This is the world
54:38as as we receive it. What are we
54:41supposed to do?"
54:44That's the problem. But we would rather
54:46talk about this fake epidemic of cop
54:50racism than be honest about
54:55the pathologies
54:57in inner city culture in gang culture
55:01that is leading to a rate of crime
55:06that is inconceivable. the black
55:08children that I've documented over the
55:11years
55:13who've been playing on trampolines,
55:17at barbecues, sleeping in their beds, at
55:20birthday parties. One-year-olds, threey
55:23olds, 5y olds, 9year-olds who are shot
55:27by stray bullets in driveby shootings,
55:32who are killed, who are rendered brain
55:35damaged for the rest of their lives. If
55:37white kids were killed at that rate,
55:41there would be a revolution. The It's a
55:44very bizarre thing. We talk about racism
55:48all the time
55:50as an abstraction
55:53and we we claim that we care so much
55:55about black lives, but these black
55:58children that are getting gunned down,
56:00nobody talks about them. Above all the
56:03media, above all the Black Lives Matter
56:05activists, I have never ever witnessed a
56:10Black Lives Matter rally to protest
56:14three-year-old Honesty Cheetel. She was
56:17killed July 5th at a Fourth of July
56:20barbecue in Washington DC
56:24drive by shooting. Have we said her
56:27name? We're supposed to say the name of
56:29George Floyd. We're supposed to say the
56:31name of Michael Brown. Nobody said the
56:34name of Honesty Sheetle. Trump called in
56:36the National Guard. He said, "This crime
56:38has got to end.
56:39>> I'm announcing a historic action to
56:42rescue our nation's capital from crime,
56:45bloodshed, bedum, and squalor, and
56:48worse.
56:50This is liberation day in DC, and we're
56:53going to take our capital back." I would
56:55say Trump was much more
56:59realistic and justified in saying that
57:04death is too many. This is a national
57:07emergency. And if it was white people,
57:10if it was white toddlers being gunned
57:13down in their beds or in their parents'
57:16cars, there would be a national
57:18emergency declared. Well, this is why
57:21you're called racist, antilack,
57:24capitalist, imperialist,
57:27fascist.
57:28>> Well, they can call it all they want. I
57:31don't care. I I take
57:33>> You really don't care all the heat
57:34you've taken?
57:36>> I've had black people come up to me and
57:39say, "Thank you." I've gone to black
57:42police community meetings in Harlem on
57:47the south side of Chicago and what I
57:50hear those good people say is, "We want
57:51more cops. Why aren't you getting the
57:53kids off the corners? Why don't you
57:56arrest for loitering any longer? Why
57:58don't you arrest for disorderly conduct?
58:00I'm scared to go down to my lobby
58:03because there's kids down there smoking
58:06weed, hanging out, selling drugs. The
58:08only time I feel safe is when the police
58:11are there. I've I've seen elderly black
58:14ladies stand up in these meetings and
58:16say, "Thank God for the police. They are
58:19my friends." So, those are the people
58:22that I care about, not the ones that are
58:24living in a in a fantasy bubble of
58:27victimhood and uh hatred for the thing
58:31that they should be down on their knees
58:33and gratitude for. what you call
58:35scientific policing, going where the
58:37crime is does mean that black kids are
58:41stopped and frisked more often. My kids
58:44never got frisked.
58:47That's not fair. That's cruel.
58:50>> Well, I remember when Giuliani was first
58:52starting his um crusade to try and bring
58:56safety back to New York, there was a
58:58community activist in Brooklyn called
59:00Richard Green. and he said, "Between
59:01getting stopped and between getting
59:03shot, I'd rather be stopped." Now, if if
59:06the cops are making stops without legal
59:10grounds, you know, there's a legal
59:13standard for this. It's called
59:14reasonable suspicion. The cop has to
59:16have reasonable grounds for believing
59:20that there may be criminal activity of
59:22foot. Uh if the cop is simply pulling
59:25people over for no reason whatsoever,
59:28that's a problem. The fact of the matter
59:30is, given, again, I'm going to speak the
59:33truth here, and this is not pleasant for
59:35people to hear, but given the
59:39pervasiveness of crime
59:42within the black community, one in three
59:47black adults has a felony conviction.
59:52It is the case that
59:55as a as a law-abiding black man,
59:58>> maybe they have a felony conviction
1:00:00because of racism because they're more
1:00:02likely to be stopped, more likely to be
1:00:05prosecuted.
1:00:06>> The PE police are going where the crime
1:00:09is happening. If there was that degree
1:00:11of crime going on in white
1:00:13neighborhoods, those parents would be
1:00:15calling the cops all the time. There's
1:00:18not, it's not as if cops have like all
1:00:20this extra time on their hands that, oh,
1:00:23let's just go hassle some blacks. Uh,
1:00:26we've got nothing else to do. They are
1:00:28running from call to call. They are ba
1:00:30barely getting through that night's
1:00:33crime and they're having to triage all
1:00:36the time. Prison remains a lifetime
1:00:39achievement award for persistence in
1:00:41criminal offending. Most offenders are
1:00:44given community supervision if they're
1:00:47prosecuted at all. Because what we have
1:00:50now, what we've had for the last decade
1:00:52at least, is massive decriminalization
1:00:56and deprosecution. Our prosecutors have
1:00:58decided that they're not going to
1:01:00prosecute crime because doing so has a
1:01:03disperate impact on black criminals. Not
1:01:05because the laws are racist, not because
1:01:07the prosecutors or the judges, the
1:01:09juries are racist or the police officers
1:01:11are racist. It's because there is an
1:01:13objective difference in crime
1:01:15commission. But if you don't take
1:01:18criminals off the streets, the result is
1:01:21more chaos in society. You have now, you
1:01:25know, the preposterous situation that
1:01:26we've been living through since the
1:01:28George Floyd race riots of not being
1:01:30able to shop in a far in a drugstore
1:01:32because everything is behind plexiglass.
1:01:35And so we're moving even more so online
1:01:39because we're not willing to arrest for
1:01:41shoplifting. Prosecutors are saying
1:01:43we're not going to arrest for we're not
1:01:44going to prosecute shoplifting because
1:01:46that has a disperate impact on black
1:01:48criminals. And so we've had these
1:01:49progressive prosecutors, whether it's
1:01:52Alvin Bragg in Manhattan or George
1:01:54Gasone in Los Angeles who was voted out
1:01:57of office or Pamela Price in Oakland,
1:01:59Alama County, California, voted out of
1:02:02office, or Kim Fox in Chicago. All these
1:02:05people have said, "We're not going to
1:02:07prosecute shoplifting, turn style
1:02:10jumping, resisting arrest, which is
1:02:12really pernicious, because it will have
1:02:15a disperate impact on black criminals."
1:02:16So in fact we're not over prosecuting,
1:02:19we're not overpolicing, we are
1:02:22underpolicing and underprosecuting. The
1:02:24result of this is a society that does
1:02:27not govern itself in which there's no
1:02:31security of property. There's no
1:02:33security of persons. We are refusing to
1:02:36put criminals in jail in New York City.
1:02:39>> Resisting arrest would normally land you
1:02:41on Riker's Island, but not anymore. Just
1:02:44days on the job, Manhattan District
1:02:46Attorney Alvin Bragg is changing what
1:02:49crimes he will prosecute.
1:02:50>> We need to reserve our our our justice
1:02:52system for real public safety
1:02:54challenges.
1:02:55>> We live through this. The people that
1:02:57are committing assaults on subways, on
1:02:59the streets, have wrap sheets that are
1:03:02endless. They've been picked up again
1:03:05and again and again. And the reason
1:03:08they're not going to prison is because
1:03:10doing so as a system will have a
1:03:12disperate impact on black criminals.
1:03:14We've decided it's better not to
1:03:16incarcerate and in and to prosecute than
1:03:20to do so in a color-blind fashion if
1:03:22that has a disperate impact on black
1:03:25criminals. The victims for that
1:03:26primarily are going to be black
1:03:28themselves. The people that live in the
1:03:31inner city that have to live with these
1:03:33criminals who are not off the streets.
1:03:34But it affects all of us. The story that
1:03:37got publicity was the pretty white UK
1:03:40Ukrainian woman.
1:03:41>> A grizzly stabbing in Charlotte, North
1:03:43Carolina, getting the White House
1:03:45attention. The victim is a Ukrainian
1:03:47refugee. The suspect is an ex-con
1:03:50>> D. Carlos Brown Jr. had 14 arrests. He
1:03:54was allowed on the streets again and
1:03:56again because the system had been
1:03:58changed. Sh. This happened a a stabbing
1:04:00in the neck. The video is absolutely
1:04:03terrifying. This woman is scared out of
1:04:07her life. She doesn't know what's
1:04:08happened to her. She turns around and
1:04:10looks around. It's it's absolutely
1:04:12heartbreaking to see her vulnerability
1:04:15as she just sinks down as in a pool of
1:04:18blood. But Charlotte, where this this
1:04:20stabbing in August happened, had a long
1:04:23history,
1:04:25at least since George Floyd raised
1:04:26riots, if not before, of fighting for
1:04:29racial equity in the criminal justice
1:04:30system. They had trainings for the
1:04:33prosecutors. The police chief said, "I'm
1:04:36going to cut back on discretionary
1:04:37arrests because policing, you know,
1:04:39comes out of racism." The judicial
1:04:41system had, you know, all these goals
1:04:44for racial equity, which means basically
1:04:46deprosecuting,
1:04:48deincerating.
1:04:50And so that was the environment in which
1:04:52D. Carlos Brown Jr. was operating. the
1:04:56entire system had now been set up to
1:04:59make it very hard to incarcerate any
1:05:02criminal. Uh, and he was the beneficiary
1:05:06of that.
1:05:07>> And she was the victim.
1:05:08>> And she was the victim. And frankly,
1:05:11that is the norm for interracial crime
1:05:14in this country. Another huge fiction,
1:05:18which is that this is a white
1:05:20supremacist country. And as Obama and
1:05:22Biden says that blacks are right to fear
1:05:25for their children from racist cops or
1:05:27from white supremacists, as the mayor of
1:05:31Kansas City, Quentyn Lucas, he has said,
1:05:34existing while black is another thing
1:05:36that blacks do to their lethal risk. At
1:05:38this point, the fact of the matter is uh
1:05:42the vast majority of interracial crime
1:05:45between blacks and whites and whites and
1:05:46blacks is committed by blacks. This is a
1:05:50horrible, highly publicized event. But
1:05:52you're a Manhattan Institute scholar.
1:05:54You're supposed to go by the data.
1:05:56What's the data?
1:05:58>> The data is is that the Charlotte
1:06:00stabbing was typical of interracial
1:06:03crime. The typical interracial crime is
1:06:07black on white, not white on black. A
1:06:10National Academy of Sciences report came
1:06:12out in 2023. The National Academy of
1:06:15Sciences is a left-wing highly, you
1:06:18know, it's a it's the epitome of
1:06:20academic mindset outlook. One of the
1:06:23authors of this report was Bruce
1:06:25Western, a very left-wing academic at
1:06:28Colombia. And it found that blacks are
1:06:3235 times more likely to commit an act of
1:06:35violence against a white person than a
1:06:37white person is to commit an act of
1:06:40violence against a black person. The
1:06:42Bureau of Justice Statistics finds that
1:06:45in the universe of interracial crime
1:06:48between blacks and whites, blacks
1:06:50commit, depending on the year, about 80
1:06:5485% sometimes a little less than that of
1:06:56all interracial crime. So that's the
1:06:59reality. And of course, our narrative is
1:07:02just the opposite
1:07:03>> because publicizing that doesn't make
1:07:06anybody feel good,
1:07:08>> right? And that's fine. I believe in
1:07:10racial etiquette. I would prefer
1:07:13not to have to talk about the skills
1:07:16gap. I would prefer not to have to talk
1:07:19about the crime gap. Nobody likes
1:07:21hearing these things, including whites.
1:07:23I mean, the people who feel worst about
1:07:25this is whites. So much for us being
1:07:28white supremacists. But the reason I
1:07:30have to bring these things up is because
1:07:33I'm living in a false narrative that is
1:07:37impugning our civilization, that is
1:07:40impuging our present society, that is
1:07:43tearing down standards in the name of
1:07:45fighting phantom racism. And so I have
1:07:50to speak the truth because I fear the
1:07:53consequences if this lie continues much
1:07:56longer. Jumping to this, Karen Fleshman,
1:07:58an anti-racist educator, says, "Your
1:08:01rhetoric divides people by race, which
1:08:04inevitably escalates to violence, making
1:08:08black people feel unsafe everywhere."
1:08:10>> She's just throwing various terms. She's
1:08:13string them together. This was a woman
1:08:16who was brought in by Pamela Price, the
1:08:18Alama County prosecutor. Alama County is
1:08:22the county that Oakland sits in, which
1:08:24is across the San Francisco Bay from San
1:08:27Francisco, the East Bay from San
1:08:28Francisco. Pamela Price came into office
1:08:32vowing to bring racial equity to pro to
1:08:36prosecution, meaning she had double
1:08:39standards for blacks and whites. To
1:08:41bring a prosecution against a black gang
1:08:43member, you had to have a much higher
1:08:45standard of evidence. she was going to
1:08:48uh discourage prosecutions against black
1:08:51criminals. And she she had a a workshop
1:08:56that was teaching
1:08:59her prosecutors
1:09:01how to deal with white victims
1:09:05on the theory that somehow white crime
1:09:07victims were a threat to black
1:09:12prosecutors. This gets back to this
1:09:15whole safety idea
1:09:17um that we talked about in the
1:09:18universities that that somehow if you're
1:09:22marginalized
1:09:24uh your safety is at risk in various
1:09:26American environments. Flechman is this
1:09:29diversity trainer who goes around to
1:09:31police departments and also other uh
1:09:33workplaces.
1:09:35And it's the usual scam, you know, that
1:09:38that all you managers, you think you're
1:09:41colorblind, but you're really racist and
1:09:44white people have to get up and do their
1:09:45white privilege walks and and atone for
1:09:50their inherited endemic racism. I simply
1:09:53argued that this was um an absurd waste
1:09:57of taxpayer money.
1:09:58>> These types of trainings have also been
1:10:00given by private companies. diversity
1:10:02training where employees were told to be
1:10:04quote less white.
1:10:06>> But there's been push back against some
1:10:08companies policies.
1:10:09>> Harley-Davidson is the latest company uh
1:10:12to drop diversity, equity, and inclusion
1:10:15initiatives.
1:10:15>> I was gratified to see how quickly a lot
1:10:18of these CEOs junked their DEI
1:10:21>> a lot functions,
1:10:23>> but many kept,
1:10:24>> not all of them. That's absolutely
1:10:26right. The human resources departments
1:10:28there are staffed by the products of the
1:10:31university overwhelmingly female and
1:10:34they're not going to change their point
1:10:36of view. This is really a very long
1:10:39battle and I think it's going to take
1:10:44more young white and Asian males saying
1:10:46we're not buying into the hustle. It's
1:10:49going to take more parents willing to
1:10:52stand up for their sons who are getting
1:10:54screwed at academic institution after
1:10:58academic institution.
1:11:00Uh it's going to take more CEOs not to
1:11:03be browbeaten by their wives
1:11:05>> by their wives.
1:11:06>> Females are are overwhelmingly far more
1:11:09leftwing and they're they push their
1:11:11husbands, their CEOs, I think, to buy
1:11:14into the entire gender.
1:11:17>> Why is that? Why are females more
1:11:19left-wing? I can't tell you, but it is
1:11:21absolutely the case.
1:11:23>> And you say this has changed America.
1:11:26>> The feminization of our institutions.
1:11:28Yes, it has.
1:11:29>> Women are the problem.
1:11:31>> Well, in certain
1:11:33numbers and in in certain institutions,
1:11:36I would say they certainly change the
1:11:40ethic and the ethos of that institution.
1:11:43You can say for the better or you can
1:11:46say for the worse. But do they change
1:11:48things? Absolutely. The change in the
1:11:51universities towards a victim identity
1:11:55towards a attack on free speech is
1:11:59absolutely parallel with the rise in
1:12:02female representation above all in the
1:12:05administration but in the student body
1:12:08and in vast swads of the faculties as
1:12:11well. Poll after poll shows when you ask
1:12:15either people within academia or outside
1:12:19of academia, which do you value more?
1:12:22Academic freedom and the pursuit of
1:12:24truth on the one hand or equity and
1:12:28emotional safety and security on the
1:12:30other. There's no overlap. The vast
1:12:33majority of males choose the pursuit of
1:12:37truth, academic freedom, whatever the
1:12:40cost. The females
1:12:43favor
1:12:45emotional safety and equity.
1:12:48>> Both are good qualities.
1:12:49>> No, they're not. Not in a university
1:12:51setting. The university exists for the
1:12:54pursuit of truth. And to be perfectly
1:12:57honest, the claims of unsafety, of
1:13:00danger, of jeopardy are completely
1:13:04hysterical neurosis in the first place.
1:13:08There's no safer environment as far as
1:13:10like just crime or rape than a
1:13:14university. But they are also exquisitly
1:13:18sensitive to people's feelings and are
1:13:21there as a should be a community of
1:13:23scholars united by their passion to push
1:13:27back the boundaries of ignorance. the
1:13:30idea that they are unsafe or that one
1:13:34becomes unsafe
1:13:37because here we get back to the hate
1:13:38speech conceit. The hate speech concept
1:13:40is related to this idea of emotional
1:13:43unsafety. For females to claim that they
1:13:46are emotionally unsafe on a college
1:13:48campus is complete fiction. It is just
1:13:52parading around in a little fake drama.
1:13:55I've never been discriminated against in
1:13:57my life. Now, does that mean of course
1:13:59that's I'm I'm I'm generalizing from a
1:14:03one case to many, but I would say that I
1:14:07am pretty representative and I know that
1:14:10I have been put on panels or chosen for
1:14:13conferences for this and that because
1:14:16they need a female. Am I going to take
1:14:18deep offense at that? No, I'm not going
1:14:20to take offense at anything. But it's
1:14:21pretty ludicrous. And we had the head of
1:14:25the National Institutes of Health,
1:14:26Francis Collins, under Joe Biden,
1:14:31really an obnoxious man. He was all in
1:14:34favor of the lockdowns, of the insane
1:14:38COVID measures.
1:14:40He [snorts] had called on his colleagues
1:14:43in the biomed research world to boycott
1:14:47mannels.
1:14:49And if you or your listeners don't know
1:14:51what a manel is, a manel is a is a panel
1:14:57of experts, scientific experts or
1:15:00academic experts that is predominantly
1:15:03male. Manels are verboten in Francis
1:15:06Collins's view. So he called on his
1:15:10colleagues to boycott any scientific
1:15:13conference that had a predominant number
1:15:16of males there
1:15:17>> because that's the tradition. We men
1:15:19have dominated life dominated so many
1:15:23institutions
1:15:25making things bring in female talent
1:15:27>> only based on merit. I do not care to
1:15:31have a mediocre Alzheimer's researcher
1:15:34up there who is not going to be at the
1:15:37cutting edge based on her sex. I do not
1:15:41care.
1:15:41>> And men achieve more in the sciences.
1:15:43>> They have they maybe they won't in the
1:15:47future, but right now we'll never know
1:15:49because we have double standards. Until
1:15:51Trump came along, your taxpayer dollars
1:15:54were being administered in the sciences
1:15:58not based on scientific merit, but based
1:16:01on race and sex. That is not relevant to
1:16:04scientific achievement. It has nothing
1:16:07to do with it. It is a waste of your
1:16:10taxpayer dollars. taxpayers should
1:16:12demand that only the very best
1:16:14scientists. And I don't care if an
1:16:17Alzheimer's lab is all black or all
1:16:20Chinese or all female if those are the
1:16:22best scientists.
1:16:24I don't care. And I also don't care if
1:16:26they're all white males. If those are
1:16:28the best scientists. So far, the history
1:16:30of science came out of Europe. It came
1:16:33out of this passion
1:16:36for discovery that began in the 17th
1:16:39century with the Royal Society in
1:16:41London, had its counterparts in France.
1:16:44It was a miracle.
1:16:47And you now have portraits of the
1:16:51greatest white male scientists being
1:16:54taken down from the Harvard Medical
1:16:56School, from the Pennsylvania Medical
1:16:59School because it might make female
1:17:02medical students feel unsafe to look
1:17:04upon the greatest minds of medical
1:17:06science. If we disappear males from
1:17:09civilization, we will be living off the
1:17:12fumes of their accomplishments. You're
1:17:15definitely striking a chord with some
1:17:17people and that I noticed you did an
1:17:19interview with a very small fine group,
1:17:22the Independent Institute
1:17:24that doesn't normally get big attention,
1:17:27but you got half a million views on
1:17:29Twitter saying
1:17:31>> is not an accident. It is not a product
1:17:34of systemic misogyny that males brought
1:17:38us the scientific revolution that they
1:17:41circumnavigated the globe. If we weren't
1:17:44so insane, it would be perfectly obvious
1:17:47that there are innate differences
1:17:50between males and females in terms of
1:17:53risktaking, passion for novelty,
1:17:56competitiveness, aggression.
1:17:59You have to be a very ideologically
1:18:02um
1:18:04dominated parent not to notice that
1:18:07there are differences between male and
1:18:10female children almost from the start.
1:18:12as far as levels of aggression, the
1:18:14types of toys that they gravitate
1:18:16towards. And
1:18:19males
1:18:21have a greater predilction towards
1:18:25insanity, towards like really stupid
1:18:28behavior. I hear these motorcycles
1:18:32trying to go 50 miles an hour down
1:18:34Second Avenue outside of my apartment in
1:18:37New York. I know what the the sex of
1:18:40who's riding those. You idiots, running
1:18:43red lights, you know, massive amounts of
1:18:46alcohol, drug taking, fighting, dueling.
1:18:49These are all male traits. Females are
1:18:52they're nurturers. That is, you know,
1:18:55obviously there's I'm talking about the
1:18:57norm, the average.
1:18:59>> You say it wasn't women who
1:19:00circumnavigated the world, but that was
1:19:03because their societies wouldn't allow
1:19:05it. That's true, but they haven't been
1:19:07doing much in the interim. Frankly,
1:19:09nothing.
1:19:10>> If you women are so far behind us men,
1:19:12how come you have these highlevel
1:19:14degrees from these fancy institutions
1:19:17and I don't [laughter]
1:19:19>> because you got pulled into the the
1:19:22grubbiness of of doing journalism, which
1:19:24is uh you're involved in the world, you
1:19:27know. So, but I'm I'm obviously playing
1:19:29both sides because I also I value
1:19:31academic degrees highly.
1:19:33>> She has a bunch. She graduated from Yale
1:19:36and got advanced degrees from Cambridge
1:19:38and Stanford.
1:19:39>> There's obviously
1:19:41exceptions, individual exceptions.
1:19:43There's highly aggressive, competitive
1:19:45females who has this
1:19:48>> and highly nurturing, empathetic males,
1:19:52of course, taking a step back from their
1:19:54own careers to care for their families.
1:19:56>> But we're talking about averages. And
1:20:00the average male, there's a greater
1:20:03chance that he's going to be a risktaker
1:20:06and a seeker of knowledge. And I can
1:20:08prove this with by
1:20:11what I collect of natural experiments
1:20:14that don't have gatekeepers because the
1:20:15usual feminist argument is, oh,
1:20:19there's no there's no 50/50
1:20:22representation
1:20:23in cancer research or chess champions
1:20:28because there's all these racist sexist
1:20:30gatekeepers keeping females out. So,
1:20:33it's not an evil play even even playing
1:20:35field. But we have institutions without
1:20:38any gatekeepers that allow us to see
1:20:42what are the natural predelections of
1:20:45populations
1:20:46on their own. What did they do on their
1:20:49own without anybody keeping them out?
1:20:52And the perfect example for that, but
1:20:55there's others, is Wikipedia editing.
1:20:58Wikipedia is a new institution.
1:21:00>> Wikipedia is obviously highly biased.
1:21:03The majority are 87% male. You can say
1:21:06in chess, you know, the argument is,
1:21:07well, we've had, you know, virtually no,
1:21:11maybe one female chess master at the
1:21:14highest level in hundreds and hundreds
1:21:16of years. There's this centuries long
1:21:18tradition of discrimination against
1:21:20females in chess. So, if you start out,
1:21:23if you're a young Bulgarian girl now,
1:21:25you're just not going to try because
1:21:27somehow you're aware that in the 17th
1:21:29century, females were not attended to
1:21:32enough. It's like some inherited
1:21:35acquired characteristic. But Wikipedia
1:21:37is what 30 years old. There's no
1:21:39long-standing
1:21:41sexist Wikipedia tradition. It grew out
1:21:43of nothing. And anybody can be an
1:21:47editor. It's blind. Anybody can be an
1:21:49editor. There's not a crew of of sexist
1:21:53Wikipedia gatekeepers saying, "It's a
1:21:57female. We're not going to allow her to
1:21:59revise this entry on Napoleon's invasion
1:22:04of Egypt or the deciphering of the
1:22:06Rosetta Stone. We're not going to allow
1:22:09females to edit that. But they can't
1:22:11because you don't know who they are. You
1:22:13do not give your your sex in being an
1:22:16editor. Anybody can do it. And guess
1:22:21what? Who is the vast vast majority of
1:22:25Wikipedia editors? males. Nobody's
1:22:29keeping females out. They just aren't
1:22:32interested. And don't give me a
1:22:35Wikipedia tradition against females
1:22:37because there are no traditions. You can
1:22:40also look who is writing letters to the
1:22:43editor. Nobody is is preventing females
1:22:48from writing letters to the editor.
1:22:50Skews way male. who subscribes to
1:22:53journals of public interest of world
1:22:56affairs, The Economist, The Atlantic,
1:22:59The New Republic. Nobody prevents
1:23:01females from subscribing to those
1:23:05journals. The readership is
1:23:07overwhelmingly male. Why? Because males
1:23:10are more outer oriented. They're more
1:23:12data oriented. This again got James
1:23:15Deore fired from Google by saying that
1:23:18males care more about data. Females have
1:23:21different interests.
1:23:22>> Years ago, I did a 2020 special, boys
1:23:26and girls, men and women, the sex
1:23:28difference, pointing out there are real
1:23:31differences. Tonight, a touchy subject
1:23:34to some people even suggesting there are
1:23:36differences between the sexes beyond the
1:23:38obvious ones is just unacceptable. A
1:23:41step backwards in the hard-fought
1:23:43battlefree equality. One of my fellow
1:23:46correspondents backed the producer into
1:23:48the bathroom at [laughter]
1:23:502020. How could you work with John
1:23:53Staceil on that video? She said, "How
1:23:55could you say those things?
1:23:57>> Prove us wrong. Prove us wrong. I love
1:24:00this. All the pictures in the New York
1:24:02Times and Wall Street Journal of these
1:24:04AI startups, you know, it's like hot.
1:24:07San Francisco's hot. I was just there
1:24:09like every billboard is AI." these these
1:24:11sort of runic uh phrases that I have no
1:24:14idea what they mean, but they're all
1:24:18males
1:24:19and nobody's preventing females from
1:24:21doing an AI startup. And nobody's
1:24:24stripping females of venture capital
1:24:26funding as we saw with the fraudster
1:24:28Elizabeth Holmes who had, you know,
1:24:31George Schultz and everybody else under
1:24:33the sun shoveling billions of dollars at
1:24:36her. Everybody wants there to be more
1:24:39female entrepreneurs in whether it's
1:24:41biio medicine or whatnot, but they're
1:24:44just they don't have that same drive to
1:24:46stay up till 3:00 a.m. eating cold pizza
1:24:51coding.
1:24:52They, as James Deore said, they have
1:24:54other alternatives. There's many
1:24:56explanations. Females tend to be have
1:24:59maybe both the strongest math. Females
1:25:02also have verbal skills, so they have
1:25:04greater options. But frankly, that drive
1:25:09to conquer facts and data
1:25:13is disproportionately male.
1:25:15>> I bought this strange Zara dress. I'm
1:25:17trying on six spring dresses at Kohl's.
1:25:18>> Hey guys, I have another really big
1:25:20shopping haul. What do I see females
1:25:22doing these days? They're influencers. I
1:25:26love to use a really fluffy brush.
1:25:27>> They're talking about makeup.
1:25:29>> These are the colors. They're so pretty.
1:25:31They're talking about fashion. Okay,
1:25:34let's talk about this lace leather
1:25:36skirt.
1:25:36>> Google is desperate to hire more
1:25:39females.
1:25:41Caltech is desperate for more female
1:25:45engineers.
1:25:46I was asked at one point to do a panel
1:25:51on Fox Nation on interest rates.
1:25:57And I said, "You're just asking me
1:25:59because I'm a female, right? because I
1:26:01don't I'm not a I don't know monetary
1:26:04policy.
1:26:05And at least they had the honesty to say
1:26:07yes, female privilege exists.
1:26:11There's not a mainstream institution
1:26:13that isn't over represented in females.
1:26:15And they're still going to say we need
1:26:16more females. You know, it's incredible.
1:26:19They're not going to stop until there's
1:26:20no males left.
1:26:21>> Women are inferior. You're saying less
1:26:25useful for society. They are very useful
1:26:29for raising children as individuals.
1:26:32They are very useful in f as t terms of
1:26:37their consciousness. Every individual is
1:26:39useful. Again, I mentioned George
1:26:41Elliott before. One of the great
1:26:43novelists, Edith Wharton, one of the
1:26:45great novelists, Insights. We've got
1:26:48some great female composers, Fanny
1:26:50Mendelson, Cecilia Lee Cod. I want to
1:26:54hear all of them. Absolutely. But I am
1:26:56not going to try to tear down an
1:27:01institution
1:27:02because it is predominantly male.
1:27:05>> Men drove the 30 years war. Men drove
1:27:08the hundred years war. Women aren't
1:27:11responsible for the endless Palestinian
1:27:14Israeli conflict. Maybe it would be
1:27:16better if women managed governments.
1:27:20>> Well, we're seeing that in Europe.
1:27:22They're managing governments and we've
1:27:23got these insane green energy policies
1:27:26that are the very epitome of
1:27:28irrationality. Now Europe is is in the
1:27:31doldrums economically in large part
1:27:34because of the war on on its energy
1:27:36sources. males ran have war but
1:27:42balanced against that you have
1:27:461500 years of extraordinary success in
1:27:51vanquishing
1:27:53um
1:27:54disease
1:27:56poverty
1:27:59want our standard of living today it's a
1:28:02miracle everything around us every piece
1:28:06of furniture,
1:28:08hot water,
1:28:10showers, clean milk, clean water. These
1:28:13are all miracles. Let's We won't even
1:28:16talk about flight. We won't even talk
1:28:18about telephones.
1:28:20It's extraordinary. Our existence bears
1:28:23no resemblance to even being in the
1:28:25aristocracy in the 19th century. As we
1:28:29make progress now and things are much
1:28:31better
1:28:33>> at the same time it happened as women
1:28:35got more power.
1:28:37>> Women got power in the 20th century. Uh
1:28:40the progress that brought us into
1:28:43scientific
1:28:45dominance I think began much before
1:28:47that. We had these European wars but
1:28:51we've also developed the nation state
1:28:54that minimized tribal warfare. We
1:28:57developed ideas of constitutional
1:29:00government, of due process, of human
1:29:02rights. Those are much more powerful
1:29:05than the 30 years war. Yes, there's
1:29:08still
1:29:10incredible barbarism in the Middle East.
1:29:13And there's endless savagery in Africa
1:29:17between tribes that have not yet really
1:29:20absorbed the concept of a
1:29:23constitutionally controlled national
1:29:25government. violence driven by men.
1:29:28>> By men. That's right. Um,
1:29:32but I I don't see what the alternative
1:29:35is. Most people prefer to be managed by
1:29:38males, not females, because of the
1:29:40vindictiveness that they feel is often
1:29:43shown, and this is females that feel
1:29:45this as well, by female managers. So
1:29:48it's interesting because when when
1:29:50feminism was sort of first getting its
1:29:53becoming quite uh presumptuous in the
1:29:5560s and 70s the war argument was used a
1:29:58lot that
1:29:59>> the world would be better safer if women
1:30:02>> if women ruled the world.
1:30:03>> Women and children have [music] long
1:30:06paid the price for wars started and
1:30:09waged by men.
1:30:10>> Women leaders must step up.
1:30:12>> Women want peace.
1:30:13>> And that hasn't really proved to be the
1:30:15case. It's very curious, you know, some
1:30:17of these the Green parties, uh, the the
1:30:20female dominated parties in Europe,
1:30:24some critics think that they're they're
1:30:26the war parties, you know, they're
1:30:27they're all for continuing to arm
1:30:30Ukraine and and there's some people that
1:30:31are skeptical of that or they were all
1:30:34for the uh, you know, involvement in the
1:30:36Serbian conflict. So, it's curious. A
1:30:39lot of the female EU politicians
1:30:42are no more pacifistic than some of
1:30:45their colleagues, male colleagues.
1:30:47>> McDonald's has written many
1:30:49controversial books. The burden of bad
1:30:52ideas.
1:30:52>> The burden of bad ideas was a collection
1:30:55of essays that looked at the rise of the
1:30:59welfare state. The New York Times since
1:31:03the early 20th century has done an
1:31:05annual Christmas charity appeal that
1:31:08used to be called the hundred neediest
1:31:10cases and it was started by Albert Ox.
1:31:14of the whole start of the Times uh
1:31:17legacy family and they started
1:31:21publishing profiles of what they viewed
1:31:26as the needy members of New York City to
1:31:30and ask readers to please give donations
1:31:33to help these people. And they had at
1:31:36that time what was the ubiquitous
1:31:41understanding of poverty and need which
1:31:45was based on a distinction between the
1:31:47deserving and the undeserving poor.
1:31:51And they were unapologetic about this.
1:31:54Examples of the deserving poor, people
1:31:56that should you should give your charity
1:31:58to are the widows of people that have
1:32:03husbands, workers that died in
1:32:04industrial accidents or orphans who were
1:32:08orphaned because their parents both died
1:32:10of tuberculosis.
1:32:12And now you have a 14-year-old
1:32:14sister who's doing seamstress work to
1:32:19try and, you know, help her young
1:32:21younger siblings survive. They are
1:32:23working. They are trying to better
1:32:25themselves. The undeserving poor are the
1:32:29alcoholics, the vagrants that are
1:32:32begging, that are demanding handouts
1:32:34without trying to help themselves. And I
1:32:39went into the archives and looked at
1:32:43decade by decade how the Times was
1:32:46making its hundred neediest cases
1:32:48appeal. And what was remarkable as you
1:32:52got into the 1940s and 1950s, the
1:32:56rhetoric started changing and those
1:32:58bright line distinctions which were used
1:33:00by FDR, he opposed giving welfare
1:33:04benefits to single mothers. He said this
1:33:07is going to be very corrosive of the
1:33:10most important pillar of civilization
1:33:12and personal responsibility, which is
1:33:14the married two parent family. We
1:33:17shouldn't be rewarding single mothers
1:33:19unless they're widows with benefits.
1:33:23FDR, who gave us a vast expansion of the
1:33:26welfare state, nevertheless maintained
1:33:29that distinction between those who are
1:33:31trying to help themselves and those who
1:33:33are not. the Legal Aid Society, now like
1:33:35one of the biggest advocates for no no
1:33:38strings attached welfare, when they
1:33:40started out offering legal services to
1:33:43the poor, they said, "I don't care if
1:33:45you have no money. You're going to pay
1:33:48us a quarter for services because
1:33:50anything that we give out for free will
1:33:53be devalued. We want this to be a fair
1:33:56transaction so that you feel like you're
1:33:59offering something and you're getting
1:34:00something back. We don't want things
1:34:03that are just handouts with nothing
1:34:06asked of the recipient in return. But in
1:34:08the 40s and 50s, you got a new mentality
1:34:11coming up as as manifested in the 100
1:34:14cases appeals. You had the rise of the
1:34:16whole juvenile delinquency. You know, we
1:34:19can't expect teenagers to behave and
1:34:22follow the law because they've been
1:34:24raised by parents that don't understand
1:34:27them. you know, they're just like
1:34:29alienated and they need psychiatrists to
1:34:31help them. And then in the 60s, you had
1:34:33welfare rights coming up and the Times
1:34:36totally discarded the distinction
1:34:39between the deserving and undeserving
1:34:41poor and started writing about these
1:34:44single mothers that have been on welfare
1:34:45for decades and have had many children
1:34:48by many different fathers and they
1:34:51became the target of the charity appeal.
1:34:54And so this was a unwitting
1:34:59documentation
1:35:01of the revolution in thinking in the
1:35:0320th century that was so profound that
1:35:06is something that you've talked about
1:35:08John of the assumption of a dependent
1:35:11class of which nothing should be asked
1:35:14in return whose solution to poverty is
1:35:18allegedly
1:35:20unconditional transfer payments
1:35:23redistribution of wealth from the
1:35:25so-called wealthy to the poor. That's
1:35:27what's going to help people when that's
1:35:29not what's going to help them is the
1:35:31expectation of self-reliance.
1:35:33>> And what harm did that do? Giving them
1:35:35money. How did that change the culture?
1:35:38>> It destroyed the ethic of self-reliance
1:35:41and independence. Being responsible for
1:35:44yourself,
1:35:45if you don't have something, you work
1:35:48for it. You don't expect that the
1:35:52government owes you a living for doing
1:35:55nothing. The welfare rights revolution
1:35:57which began with two academics Richard
1:35:59Clower and Francis Fox Pivven they
1:36:02wanted to destroy any stigma attached to
1:36:05welfare. They said this is very bad.
1:36:06There's
1:36:07>> stigma is cruel.
1:36:08>> There's people that that like don't are
1:36:10not collecting food stamps because they
1:36:12don't want the stigma. Uh and they said
1:36:14we should just get rid of this and
1:36:15people should feel I'm entitled to this.
1:36:18I'm not going to feel apologetic. Stigma
1:36:21is necessary to maintain certain
1:36:26positive social behaviors. Society has
1:36:29to have some way short of like criminal
1:36:32penalties of trying to create incentives
1:36:37for behavior that is going to help the
1:36:39individual. And hooking up to the
1:36:42welfare system as early as possible for
1:36:45as much as you can get is cruel because
1:36:48that person is never going to learn
1:36:52to be able to support himself to realize
1:36:57his own
1:36:59capacities. that can only come about by
1:37:02challenge, by learning,
1:37:06by having to deal with setback and
1:37:09moving towards something where you feel
1:37:11like you're responsible of yourself and
1:37:13not the entitlement mentality. Right
1:37:16now, we have this problem of all these
1:37:18able-bodied
1:37:20males that are sitting around collecting
1:37:23Medicaid. They watch over four hours of
1:37:25TV a day. This has been done by time
1:37:27studies. They spend two hours
1:37:29socializing and and entertaining
1:37:31themselves otherwise beyond TV and
1:37:34they're not working. They're able-bodied
1:37:36and they're collecting Medicaid. That's
1:37:39a problem. That's a lot of human talent
1:37:41that is sitting there.
1:37:43>> It's the incentives. Before welfare,
1:37:46Americans were lifting themselves out of
1:37:49poverty every year. The poverty level
1:37:52was dropping a bit, but the progress was
1:37:54slow. Welfare helped a lot. poverty line
1:37:57dropped, but then progress stopped. For
1:38:00the first time in history, there was a
1:38:02dependent class that stayed dependent.
1:38:05>> Well, I'd like to map that with the uh
1:38:08out of wedlock birth rate and look at
1:38:10family formation because basically in
1:38:13the United States today, poverty is just
1:38:15a synonym for single motherhood. There
1:38:18are very, very few married couples that
1:38:22count as poor. It is very hard to raise
1:38:26children with two parents. If you only
1:38:28want to think of it in terms of
1:38:30finances, which I think is like the
1:38:33least relevant thing for raising
1:38:34children, uh what's much more important
1:38:37is the emotional support, the fact that
1:38:40males and females on average bring
1:38:43different psychological
1:38:45skills and approaches to children. But
1:38:48if you just want to talk about money, uh
1:38:51you've got more resources. you got twice
1:38:53the kinship resources to draw upon. You
1:38:56have either one possible income or two
1:39:00to raise that child. So poverty today is
1:39:03really all about the breakdown of the
1:39:06American family.
1:39:07>> Why did that happen?
1:39:08>> Possibly because of welfare, saying,
1:39:11"Okay, we're no longer going to expect
1:39:14you to be married. Uh you can be single
1:39:16and we're going to give you the
1:39:17benefits." But it's also, I think
1:39:19there's a lot of things that were going
1:39:21on. There was also feminism which
1:39:23devalued males. Basically said that you
1:39:26know males are an afterthought. They can
1:39:28maybe come into the family but they
1:39:30don't have to. Strong women can do it
1:39:33all. The concept of American poverty is
1:39:38uh
1:39:40sort of a fiction. You go up to 125th
1:39:43Street in Lexington.
1:39:45You walk out into a sea of fast food
1:39:47detritus that people have just dropped
1:39:49there. If you're buying fast food,
1:39:53you're not poor. You could you could eat
1:39:56much more cheaply by cooking for
1:39:57yourself. So, it's very very relative.
1:40:00Our concept of poverty today, the real
1:40:03poverty is a poverty of values that has
1:40:06been emedded by the growth of the
1:40:08welfare state. uh and it's also been
1:40:12embedded by the fact that we are no
1:40:15longer willing to speak up for the
1:40:17values that I think human society does
1:40:20need to stay on a path that will allow
1:40:23more individuals to really realize
1:40:25themselves. And also I I just think to
1:40:29get back to the Western civilization
1:40:31point, knowledge is an end of it in
1:40:34itself. and to appreciate
1:40:38what Western civilization has done with
1:40:40the beauty of the scientific method with
1:40:43this insatiable curiosity that members
1:40:47of the West have had that Europeans had
1:40:49to figure out planetary motion,
1:40:54navigate the globe,
1:40:57figure out geology, figure out
1:40:59physiology.
1:41:02It's an extraordinary thing. And we're
1:41:06all beneficiaries of that. Ignorant
1:41:09beneficiaries of that. I couldn't
1:41:11possibly replicate any part of the
1:41:15knowledge that has given me everything
1:41:17that I take for granted. And we
1:41:21shouldn't be ingrates. We should be
1:41:23grateful and know our history and know
1:41:26how much
1:41:28we
1:41:30should be so thankful for what we've
1:41:33got. Thank you, Heather McDonald.
1:41:35>> Thank you, John.
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