UK & Makerfield Election: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO) — Transcript
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- 0:04Before we get to our main story tonight,
- 0:06I want to talk to you about an area in
- 0:08the UK called Makerfield. It's between
- 0:10Manchester and Liverpool, and it
- 0:11contains, among other things, parts of
- 0:13Wigan, the town where charmingly Wallace
- 0:15and Gromit live, and which was slightly
- 0:17less charmingly once portrayed by George
- 0:19Orwell as a sinkhole of misery.
- 0:22Two fun facts that I frankly can't
- 0:23believe Aardman Animators haven't
- 0:25already combined into a single movie.
- 0:28And to be fair, George Orwell's not the
- 0:29only one with a low opinion of Wigan.
- 0:31Just watch as this guy pays the town a
- 0:33visit and interviews some local kids.
- 0:36>> What's the best thing about Wigan?
- 0:38>> It's
- 0:39>> I've only got fingers, Galloways pies.
- 0:41>> But why does everyone say Galloways
- 0:42pies?
- 0:42>> They're better.
- 0:43>> Bolton or Wigan?
- 0:44>> Bolton.
- 0:45>> Really?
- 0:45>> Yeah, I'd choose Bolton over Wigan. It's
- 0:47just a Well, they're both
- 0:48shitholes at the end of the day.
- 0:50>> Fantastic. I think my favorite part of
- 0:52that is "Why does everyone say Galloways
- 0:54pies?" being answered with "Because it's
- 0:56better." Better than what, exactly?
- 0:59Although, to be fair, based on those
- 1:00kids' attitude, I'm guessing the answer
- 1:01was "Better than any other parts of my
- 1:02day in this godforsaken town."
- 1:05And look, as nice as Galloways pies
- 1:07sounds, I should tell you one of Wigan's
- 1:09signature local dishes is actually
- 1:11something called a babby's yed, a suet
- 1:13pudding that can be served floatin or a
- 1:15floatin in gravy or pay wet, served
- 1:18with, and I quote, "the sort of
- 1:19discharge that comes off of mushy peas."
- 1:22Which sounds less like a recipe and more
- 1:24like an episode of Chopped where the
- 1:26only ingredient were items found in the
- 1:27dumpster.
- 1:29Just listen to this man explain the dish
- 1:31even further.
- 1:32>> When you tip it out, it's supposed to
- 1:34look like a baby's head.
- 1:40The [laughter] hat is obviously this.
- 1:41So, when they ask for the the babby's
- 1:43yed with hat on,
- 1:45or baby's head with the hat on,
- 1:47it's to keep it warm. I don't like all
- 1:49the gravy and the peas and everything up
- 1:50and curry or whatever mushed in. I like
- 1:52the chips to be dry with and I'll squash
- 1:56it down like
- 1:57>> [cheering]
- 1:58>> And I'll mix it in with the chips.
- 2:01>> Okay. Just for the record, I also find
- 2:04that disgusting.
- 2:06In fact, I genuinely might prefer
- 2:08watching that man eat an actual baby's
- 2:10head.
- 2:11Now, the reason I'm talking about this
- 2:13relatively small area in northern
- 2:14England is for complicated reasons. Next
- 2:16week, it may end up deciding the next
- 2:19Prime Minister of the UK and changing
- 2:21the course of British history. And if
- 2:23you're thinking, wait, hold on. Didn't
- 2:24Britain just elect a new Prime Minister?
- 2:27Yeah, it did. Just 2 years ago, Keir
- 2:29Starmer and the Labour Party swept into
- 2:31power, breaking the Conservative Party's
- 2:33stronghold on government that had lasted
- 2:34for 14 years. And Starmer's Starmer's
- 2:36slogan back then really was change,
- 2:39which does make sense as he looks like a
- 2:41man who saw Obama's hope and change
- 2:42campaign and said, "Hope? Yeah, come on.
- 2:45Let's
- 2:46Let's not go crazy. Let's just go with
- 2:47change and put it in the smallest font
- 2:49imaginable."
- 2:51Back then, Starmer was riding high, but
- 2:54things have not gone well.
- 2:56>> He's been in office less than 2 years,
- 2:58but failed to kickstart Britain's
- 3:00sluggish economy. He also made the
- 3:02disastrous decision to appoint Peter
- 3:05Mandelson as the UK's ambassador to
- 3:07Washington. Mandelson was known to be a
- 3:09long-time friend of Jeffrey Epstein. The
- 3:12scandal has badly weakened Starmer,
- 3:15who's faced ridicule from President
- 3:16Trump.
- 3:17>> This is
- 3:18not Winston Churchill that we're dealing
- 3:21with.
- 3:21>> Yeah,
- 3:22he's not Winston Churchill. That is a
- 3:25pretty savage burn coming from a man who
- 3:27himself is very much not FDR.
- 3:30Apart from, of course, his pension for
- 3:32hiding his medical conditions. The point
- 3:35is, voters in Britain have turned on
- 3:37Starmer hard, which came to a head last
- 3:39month during local elections around the
- 3:41country when Labour got absolutely
- 3:43clobbered, losing more than 1,400
- 3:46representatives from English councils.
- 3:48And it's not just that people feel
- 3:49Starmer hasn't delivered change. They
- 3:52seem to personally loathe him.
- 3:54>> What are your thoughts on Keir Starmer?
- 3:58>> Can I swear?
- 3:59>> You can be as honest as you like.
- 4:00>> He's prick.
- 4:02>> I mean
- 4:03that is perfect. The only way that could
- 4:05have been better is if she then said,
- 4:06"Actually, can I take a minute to think
- 4:08of a meaner one? I want to really hurt
- 4:09his feelings." Or hold on, "Can I say
- 4:11on the news? I'm pretty sure I can,
- 4:13right?"
- 4:14But incredibly, Starmer has been digging
- 4:16in. In fact, just listen to him last
- 4:18month, right after his party got
- 4:20shellacked in those elections.
- 4:22>> Did you contemplate this morning that
- 4:25the responsibility is that it's time for
- 4:27you to go and to resign?
- 4:30>> Let me be clear, these are really tough
- 4:31results. I'm not going to sugarcoat it.
- 4:34>> Did you contemplate that the problem
- 4:35might be you, that you might need to go
- 4:37to help Labour win these seats back? Did
- 4:40you even contemplate it? Did you
- 4:41acknowledge it as a conversation even?
- 4:44>> Look, I think it's absolutely clear
- 4:47that the electorate are fed up with the
- 4:50fact that their lives aren't changing
- 4:52quickly enough.
- 4:54>> Wow, it is brutal how that reporter just
- 4:57kept rephrasing that same question. Did
- 4:59you contemplate it was your fault? Did
- 5:01you even acknowledge it? Did you write a
- 5:03list of possible problems on a
- 5:04whiteboard and include as one of them
- 5:06yourself? Have Have you ever looked into
- 5:08the mirror and questioned whether you,
- 5:09Keir Starmer, are the root cause of all
- 5:11the problems in the country right now?
- 5:13And if not, WHY NOT?
- 5:16SUFFICE to say, Starmer and the Labour
- 5:17Party are in big trouble. But they still
- 5:21have a chance to change course here,
- 5:22because remember, the UK system is
- 5:24different from the US's. Over there, the
- 5:26ruling party can actually swap out its
- 5:28leader without having to call a general
- 5:30election. That is why, while Americans
- 5:32are typically stuck with our choice for
- 5:344 years, barring a truly hilarious
- 5:36manhole accident,
- 5:39in the UK, prime ministers have a more
- 5:41transient quality. It's one of the
- 5:42reasons why there's been four of them in
- 5:44the past 4 years, including one who
- 5:47famously didn't even outlast a head of
- 5:49lettuce.
- 5:51And many in Labour think their best
- 5:53option is to replace Starmer with this
- 5:55man, Andy Burnham, the popular mayor of
- 5:57Greater Manchester. The thing is, to be
- 6:00Prime Minister, you have to be a sitting
- 6:02member of Parliament, but Burnham isn't.
- 6:05All of which brings us back to
- 6:07Makerfield, because to make a path for
- 6:09Burnham, the Labour MP for Makerfield
- 6:11recently resigned specifically to allow
- 6:13Burnham to run in a by-election there,
- 6:15the British equivalent of a special
- 6:17election this coming Thursday. And if
- 6:19Burnham wins, he's already confirmed
- 6:22he'll challenge Starmer to become Prime
- 6:24Minister. But if he loses, the Labour
- 6:25Party is pretty much And as
- 6:28you're about to see, some of the parties
- 6:30waiting to stake over are just
- 6:32incredibly grim. The point here is,
- 6:34roughly 76,000 registered voters in
- 6:37Makerfield. That is less than the
- 6:38capacity of giant stadium, and about 1/6
- 6:41of 1% of Britain's voting population,
- 6:44currently hold the future of the country
- 6:46in their hands. So, given all of that,
- 6:48tonight let's talk about the Makerfield
- 6:50by-election, how Labour got to this
- 6:52point, which parties are nipping at
- 6:54their heels, and who some of the
- 6:56candidates in it are, because the whole
- 6:57thing is just bonkers. And let's
- 7:01start with how Starmer support collapsed
- 7:03so quickly. To be fair, some of that was
- 7:06outside his control. The UK's economy
- 7:07has been struggling for the past two
- 7:08decades for all sorts of reasons, from
- 7:10Brexit to the pandemic to Russia's
- 7:12invasion of Ukraine. People are really
- 7:14struggling there, with one poll showing
- 7:16almost six in 10 Britons saying they
- 7:18felt the cost of living crisis would
- 7:20never end. That would be a huge
- 7:22challenge for even a savvy politician,
- 7:25which Starmer very much is not.
- 7:28His solutions like cutting fuel payments
- 7:30for the elderly have caused huge
- 7:31blowback and for minimal gain, to the
- 7:33point where this is how one group of
- 7:35analysts describe him.
- 7:37>> I remember I I was looking back at what
- 7:38he said at the time. His plan was to
- 7:40make good decisions.
- 7:42That's not a plan.
- 7:44And particularly if you're not good at
- 7:45decision-making, which turns out he also
- 7:47wasn't very good at. Let's talk about
- 7:48his judgment of people.
- 7:49>> Is he Is he good with people?
- 7:51>> Uh no.
- 7:52>> Does he work well with cabinet
- 7:53ministers?
- 7:54>> They regard him with near open contempt.
- 7:57>> Holy that is so brutally cold. I
- 8:01almost wish they kept GOING THERE. WHAT
- 8:03ABOUT ANIMALS? How is he with animals?
- 8:05Birds frequently try to fly into his
- 8:06face and dogs show him even less
- 8:08respect. And what of children? He held a
- 8:10baby at a speech once and the baby
- 8:11called him a risless wanker. Anything
- 8:14else you'd like to add at this point?
- 8:15Sure, automatic doors refuse to open for
- 8:17him and plants exposed to his picture
- 8:19are 70% less likely to yield flowers.
- 8:23And amazingly the public is even less
- 8:25enthusiastic about Starmer with recent
- 8:26focus groups descriptions of him
- 8:28including a jellyfish and a doormat.
- 8:31And one big reason for that is for a man
- 8:33who's already pretty much a centrist, he
- 8:35has relentlessly pandered to the right
- 8:38on everything from trans rights
- 8:39immigration to the pro-Palestine
- 8:41movement. On that last front, his
- 8:43government's now classified a civil
- 8:45disobedience group called Palestine
- 8:46Action as a terrorist organization
- 8:49banning it uh which has made belonging
- 8:51to it or inviting support for it a
- 8:53serious crime punishable by up to 14
- 8:55years in prison. Now in the wake of that
- 8:57decision, priests, teachers and
- 8:59pensioners are among hundreds of people
- 9:01who've been arrested merely for holding
- 9:03up signs in support of the organization
- 9:05resulting in these crazy images of
- 9:08elderly protesters getting carried away
- 9:10by police. Those are some bad visuals
- 9:13for any leader, let alone one who
- 9:15literally used to be a human rights
- 9:17lawyer.
- 9:19And it is frankly no wonder many
- 9:21progressive Labour supporters have since
- 9:23been drawn to the UK's Green Party
- 9:26including this one.
- 9:27>> Looking at the parties, who do you like
- 9:29at the moment?
- 9:30>> I think definitely Greens these days or
- 9:33independent probably.
- 9:35>> You say these days?
- 9:36>> Yeah.
- 9:36>> A couple of years ago would that have
- 9:37been the case?
- 9:38>> Uh no, I was a big fan of Labour.
- 9:41>> So, what's changed in the last few
- 9:42years?
- 9:42>> There's been a a lot of things that have
- 9:45been sliding to the right and betraying
- 9:47a lot of um like working class voters.
- 9:50And people of color, also refugees, and
- 9:54um basically minorities, even like trans
- 9:57healthcare and and LGBT rights and all
- 9:59this stuff.
- 10:00>> That's quite a long list.
- 10:01>> Yes, for sure.
- 10:03Yeah. It is a pretty long list, isn't
- 10:05it? It kind of seems like someone asked
- 10:07Starmer, "Who do you want to throw under
- 10:08the bus?" and he just said, "Yes."
- 10:11So,
- 10:12So, Starmer's clearly disappointed many
- 10:14on the left. And normally, the challenge
- 10:16to his right would have come from
- 10:17Labour's traditional opposition, the
- 10:18Conservatives, but they too saw major
- 10:21losses in last month's elections. And
- 10:22the party that's increasingly taken
- 10:24their place is the further right Reform
- 10:26UK. It won nearly 1,500 council races,
- 10:30which is clearly great news for its
- 10:31leader, Nigel Farage, biblically
- 10:33accurate frog prince and professional
- 10:36Now, we've talked about Farage
- 10:38before. He's the provocative bigot who
- 10:40spearheaded the campaign for Brexit and
- 10:42has on multiple occasions had milkshakes
- 10:44thrown at him.
- 10:45Here he is right after one of those
- 10:47incidents,
- 10:49looking like he's modeling a suit from
- 10:51Jos. A. Bank collection.
- 10:54>> [applause]
- 10:54>> Farage built the Reform Party around his
- 10:56usual right-wing talking points, which
- 10:58are heavy on the xenophobia, as you can
- 11:00kind of see through videos like this.
- 11:03>> You ask yourself why public services
- 11:05have diminished. You ask yourself why
- 11:08rents have gone through the roof. The
- 11:09population explosion has done that. And
- 11:12then you look at parts of London, for
- 11:13example,
- 11:14where the road names, the underground
- 11:17signs aren't just in English,
- 11:19they're in a foreign language as well. 1
- 11:21million people living in this country
- 11:23don't speak any English at all.
- 11:25>> Okay, first, and I think you probably
- 11:27already know this, that 1 million figure
- 11:29is just As of the most recent
- 11:32census, only around 160,000 people in
- 11:34England and Wales said that they
- 11:35couldn't speak any English. But also, a
- 11:37British man complaining, "Foreigners
- 11:40showed up and now this road sign isn't
- 11:41in the language I speak." is
- 11:44bold given, you know, history. I'm just
- 11:48saying.
- 11:49The largest lake in Africa wasn't always
- 11:51called Lake Victoria.
- 11:54That only started when some pasty white
- 11:56dude showed up and decided to name it
- 11:57after his national mommy.
- 12:00And as much as I'm sure everyone liked
- 12:02imagining her drowning in there, it is
- 12:03probably time to rename it. But
- 12:06nonetheless, bigotry and grievance have
- 12:08propelled the Reform Party forward
- 12:10despite Farage's own significant baggage
- 12:13from his long history of lies and sexism
- 12:15to more recent questions about how how a
- 12:175 million pound gift that he received
- 12:19from a crypto billionaire shortly before
- 12:21announcing that he'd run in the 2024
- 12:23general election. When asked about that,
- 12:25his response wasn't exactly great.
- 12:28>> This was given to me as an unconditional
- 12:31basis.
- 12:32Completely unconditional basis. But
- 12:34frankly,
- 12:36it was given as a reward for campaigning
- 12:38for Brexit for 27 years.
- 12:39>> And it had no it had no impact on your
- 12:41decision to come back into public life?
- 12:43>> No.
- 12:44>> He He who
- 12:45pays the piper picks the tune.
- 12:47>> Hang on a second. Hang on a second. I
- 12:48can't be bought by anybody.
- 12:50>> Well, Farage makes some sharp turns
- 12:52there going from this was an
- 12:54unconditional gift to I was paid as a
- 12:56reward for a specific action to I can't
- 12:59be bought by anybody. Honestly, if you
- 13:01let him talk for long enough there, I'm
- 13:02pretty sure he'd get himself to But you
- 13:04know what? I can be rented out on an
- 13:06interim basis.
- 13:08But despite all of that, Reform's
- 13:10anti-immigrant messaging has clearly
- 13:12found an audience. Just watch this video
- 13:14of a local Reform candidate from earlier
- 13:16this year denying charges of racism
- 13:19before then talking to a supporter who
- 13:21slightly undercuts her argument.
- 13:23>> I think the thing I hear more than
- 13:25anything else is a fascist and Nazi,
- 13:28which is the furthest
- 13:30>> [laughter]
- 13:31>> than what we are. We're just not that at
- 13:33all.
- 13:35>> None of us are racist.
- 13:37>> No, I'm not.
- 13:38>> But they tell you that if you say
- 13:39something about it.
- 13:41>> but I'll tell you what, to be honest,
- 13:42I've never been racist.
- 13:43>> No.
- 13:44>> But I'm getting that way.
- 13:45>> WOAH!
- 13:46>> [screaming]
- 13:47>> WOAH!
- 13:49I'VE NEVER BEEN RACIST, BUT I'M GETTING
- 13:51THAT WAY. WELL, GUESS WHAT? If you're
- 13:52CONSIDERING IT, YOU'RE ACTUALLY ALREADY
- 13:54THERE.
- 13:55IT'S NOT LIKE GETTING BANGS. YOU DON'T
- 13:58HAVE TO WAIT for the racism to grow in.
- 14:00You did it. The journey is the
- 14:01destination.
- 14:04Now, now Reform will claim that they've
- 14:06distanced themselves from rhetoric like
- 14:08that. Farage has boasted that they've
- 14:09professionalized the party, but it is
- 14:11worth noting that the candidates it ran
- 14:13last month included Brett Muscroft, who
- 14:16reportedly posted on Facebook, "Islam is
- 14:18like cancer. If you don't remove it on
- 14:20time, it will kill you." And Andrew
- 14:22Mahon, who posted, "No disrespect, but
- 14:24why can black people use the N-word, but
- 14:26white people cannot?" Demonstrating the
- 14:28exact level of delusion that would make
- 14:30someone comfortable leaving the house in
- 14:32this selection of outfits. And honestly,
- 14:35if his argument is that he can't see
- 14:37color,
- 14:38he's making a pretty good case for it.
- 14:40>> [cheering]
- 14:42>> And when one of Reform's leaders went on
- 14:44the news right after their election wins
- 14:46last month, he got this awkward question
- 14:49about yet another of their shitty
- 14:51candidates.
- 14:52>> One of your new Sunderland councilors,
- 14:54so a man who was elected to represent
- 14:56Reform, suggested melting Nigerians to
- 15:00fill potholes. Is that person, who's
- 15:03expressed those views, somebody you are
- 15:05happy to see represent Reform?
- 15:07>> This weekend, we are celebrating our
- 15:09incredible successes. Like any party,
- 15:11you have internal party processes to
- 15:13look at where people uh have said or
- 15:16done the wrong thing.
- 15:16>> condemn those remarks?
- 15:18>> Laura,
- 15:19I condemn anything that is wrong AND
- 15:22>> WHICH THAT IS?
- 15:24>> JESUS CHRIST, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS WORSE
- 15:25THERE, HIS FAILURE TO directly condemn
- 15:27someone for suggesting melting Nigerians
- 15:29to fill potholes or that he seems
- 15:32genuinely annoyed that he's being asked
- 15:33about it. Because if you cannot denounce
- 15:35that, you should really expect to be
- 15:37asked about it for the rest of your
- 15:39life. In fact, EVEN AFTER YOUR LIFE, at
- 15:40your funeral, someone should politely
- 15:42knock on your coffin to say, "Sorry you
- 15:44died, but last chance, any final comment
- 15:46on that pothole racist?"
- 15:49And it actually gets worse because
- 15:51incredibly Reform itself is now being
- 15:54challenged on its right by an even newer
- 15:55party called Restore Britain. It enjoys
- 15:58the support of fascists, neo-Nazis, and
- 16:00other extremists with Elon Musk even
- 16:02tweeting, "Only Restore Britain can save
- 16:05Britain." And the fact that Restore is
- 16:08gaining support should be pretty
- 16:10alarming given just how poisonous its
- 16:12policies are. Here Here is their leader,
- 16:14Rupert Lowe, giving you just a taste.
- 16:17>> We will celebrate our Christian heritage
- 16:19and the identity [music] that built and
- 16:21shaped this country, responsibility,
- 16:23restraint, forgiveness, duty, [music]
- 16:26and fairness.
- 16:28In short, a high-trust society. That
- 16:31will mean defending our culture.
- 16:33That will mean [music] resisting the
- 16:35relentless creep of radical Islam. That
- 16:38will mean banning the burka, outlawing
- 16:41Sharia law,
- 16:43blocking cousin marriages, and
- 16:45reimposing our Christian-based rule of
- 16:47law. A Restore Britain government would
- 16:50legislate to ensure [music] that no
- 16:52halal or kosher slaughter on British
- 16:55soil. This is Britain, and we will do
- 16:57things our [music] way.
- 16:59>> Oh, spare me, Rupert. And while
- 17:02it is clearly not the most important
- 17:04thing there, for the record, the
- 17:05culture, heritage, and identity that
- 17:07shaped Britain was literally built on
- 17:09cousin marriages. IT'S
- 17:11IT'S BEEN A PRETTY CRUCIAL PART of the
- 17:14whole process. YOU MIGHT WANT TO BRUSH
- 17:16UP ON YOUR HISTORY given that your
- 17:17general vibe there is so cartoonishly
- 17:19English. You look like your first words
- 17:21as a baby were British East India
- 17:23Company.
- 17:25The point is, with Reform on the rise
- 17:28and Restore pulling it even further to
- 17:30the right, Britain risks heading in a
- 17:32very dark direction and at least in the
- 17:34immediate future, the only party
- 17:36positioned to stop that slide is the one
- 17:38currently in power, Labour. Which brings
- 17:40us back to Andy Burnham. He's actually
- 17:42been a contender to lead the Labour
- 17:43Party for years now. He used to be an MP
- 17:46and even served as Health Secretary for
- 17:48a year. But after two failed attempts to
- 17:50become leader, he became mayor of
- 17:52Greater Manchester, where he made
- 17:53national news standing up to Boris
- 17:54Johnson's government over its failure to
- 17:56provide enough assistance during the
- 17:57COVID lockdowns.
- 17:59>> It is wrong to place some of the poorest
- 18:01parts of England
- 18:03in a punishing lockdown without proper
- 18:05support for the people and businesses
- 18:08affected. This is an important moment.
- 18:12Greater Manchester will stand firm. We
- 18:16are fighting back for fairness and for
- 18:19the health of our people in the broadest
- 18:21sense.
- 18:22>> Yeah, it's moments like that that helped
- 18:24Burnham become known as the King of the
- 18:26North. In fact, he's currently ranked as
- 18:28Britain's most popular politician with
- 18:30an average popularity rating of 35%,
- 18:33which I know doesn't sound like much.
- 18:36>> [laughter]
- 18:37>> But you do have to remember the British
- 18:38mind can only hold 35% happiness at a
- 18:41maximum.
- 18:42Winning the World Cup can push us up to
- 18:4440%, but that has only happened once
- 18:47unless, I guess, they win again this
- 18:49summer. So we'll just have to wait and
- 18:50see exactly how they don't. And And on
- 18:53its face,
- 18:55Burnham winning in Wakefield really
- 18:57shouldn't be difficult given it's been a
- 18:59safe Labour seat for more than 120
- 19:01years. But the truth is, voters there
- 19:03have become less predictable in recent
- 19:05years. During Brexit, nearly 2/3 voted
- 19:07to leave the EU. And in last month's
- 19:09local elections, Reform won every ward
- 19:11there. What is more, Burnham doesn't
- 19:14technically live in the constituency.
- 19:16And while some residents may find his
- 19:18ambitions for higher office appealing,
- 19:20others are understandably a bit
- 19:22resentful at having him sworn in and use
- 19:24them as a springboard to get there.
- 19:26>> You're going to be voting for someone
- 19:27who's not going to be here, who's got
- 19:29bigger issues than Ashley Mayfield,
- 19:32really. So, it won't be his priority.
- 19:34>> We're not here to enable him to pursue
- 19:36his personal ambitions.
- 19:37>> I'm sure Andy Burnham is only using
- 19:40those as a stepping stone, anyway. He
- 19:43don't care about Mayfield. He's not
- 19:45local.
- 19:47And he just wants to get into number 10.
- 19:52>> My mom is right. I don't I don't love
- 19:54that she's going around giving
- 19:55interviews about Andy Burnham with my
- 19:56dad, but that's a conversation that we
- 19:58can have at Christmas. Now, to counter
- 20:00that outside of narrative, Burnham's
- 20:02tried to point out his local bonafides,
- 20:04like the fact that his children went to
- 20:05school in the area and that he has loads
- 20:07of connections there. He even recently
- 20:08claimed that his favorite Wigan delicacy
- 20:10is, you've guessed it, Bab's yed. But
- 20:13But Reform seems to think that it can
- 20:15exploit the perception that he's an
- 20:17ambitious outsider because their
- 20:18candidate, Robert Kenyon, has gone out
- 20:20of his way to remind people that he is
- 20:22very much a local.
- 20:24>> I was born in Mayfield. [music]
- 20:26If I was elected, I'd be the first
- 20:27person born in the constituency to
- 20:29become the MP. I don't think any MP
- 20:31that's ever stood in Mayfield was
- 20:33actually born in the area. I'm a
- 20:35plumber, gas engineer. [music]
- 20:36I don't know, it gets me a bit emotional
- 20:37sometimes thinking there's a chance that
- 20:39I could be representing people [music]
- 20:40in Parliament because it's a massive
- 20:42honor and people will be thinking, "Hang
- 20:44on a minute, he serviced my boiler last
- 20:46week."
- 20:47>> Yeah,
- 20:47it's pretty striking, isn't it, when
- 20:49your opponent is being accused of being
- 20:50out of touch with the community? It's a
- 20:52pretty good counter to be able to say,
- 20:54"I have literally been elbow-deep in
- 20:55this entire community shit."
- 20:58But the point is, Kenyon is a
- 21:00salt-of-the-earth guy, a straight
- 21:01shooter, a regular Joe, it's not a
- 21:03career politician. And if you have the
- 21:05pattern recognition of a pigeon, you can
- 21:07probably tell what I'm about to say
- 21:08next, which is that his online history
- 21:10is a mess.
- 21:13A lot of his posts have resurfaced,
- 21:15including one that says, "I'm sexist,
- 21:17sorry, but I am." And another saying,
- 21:19"English women just walk around with
- 21:20their fat bellies and odd shapes pushing
- 21:22a pram at 16 in their PJs." One post
- 21:25actually caused that same reporting you
- 21:26saw earlier to physically chase him down
- 21:29the streets to answer for it.
- 21:31>> Why should women in Makerfield vote for
- 21:33you, Rob, if you speak to the press
- 21:34often? Why did women Why should women in
- 21:37Makerfield vote for you, Rob, when you
- 21:38said you were a sexist?
- 21:39>> Can you not
- 21:40>> No, no, but why should women vote for
- 21:42you?
- 21:42>> No, sorry. Thank you.
- 21:43>> When you said that you were a sexist and
- 21:45that they can't drive?
- 21:47>> It's true.
- 21:48Kenyon once said that women can't drive,
- 21:50so it might be more accurate to say that
- 21:52people in Makerfield will be thinking,
- 21:54"Hang on a minute, that guy did fix my
- 21:55boiler last week, but he then randomly
- 21:57told my wife that her natural place is
- 21:59in the kitchen." But amazingly, it gets
- 22:01even worse, because Kenyon also made a
- 22:03controversial post about a beloved
- 22:04figure in British broadcasting named
- 22:06Carol Vorderman. Very basically, for
- 22:08decades, she was the co-host of a
- 22:09popular afternoon game show called
- 22:11Countdown, and she became a national
- 22:13treasure. And knowing that, you can
- 22:15hopefully now understand the visual
- 22:17impact of what I'm about to show you.
- 22:20>> So, on Christmas Eve, um we spotted a
- 22:22message somebody sent to Carol Vorderman
- 22:25on their website.
- 22:27Uh
- 22:28which said, "Happy birthday, Carol. My
- 22:30god, I would love to smell and lick your
- 22:32asshole." Now, did you respond to that?
- 22:34>> Uh I responded to it a separate tweet.
- 22:37>> You responded to a separate tweet. So,
- 22:38go on, clarify.
- 22:39>> So, somebody had had written that. Um
- 22:42somebody else had commented on that, and
- 22:44then I responded to the comment on that.
- 22:48>> So, which one of them were you
- 22:49responding to? Were you responding to
- 22:50the one about the
- 22:52>> I mean, if you're even being asked that
- 22:55question, you are in serious trouble.
- 22:57And while he's trying to make it
- 22:59confusing there, it's actually pretty
- 23:00simple. Basically, someone on Twitter
- 23:01posted on Carol Vorderman's birthday,
- 23:03"Happy birthday, Carol. My god, I'd love
- 23:05to smell and lick your asshole." Someone
- 23:07else replied criticizing it saying, "If
- 23:09you're prepared to post this on a public
- 23:10forum, I would suggest your computer's
- 23:12drive probably needs checking." Only for
- 23:14Kenyon to respond, "He's only saying
- 23:16what we're all thinking." Cry laughing
- 23:18emoji, thumbs up emoji. So, KENYON'S
- 23:20DEFENSE OF THAT POST was essentially,
- 23:22"Hey, I'm not the one who brought it
- 23:24up."
- 23:25But, that's not remotely exculpatory, is
- 23:27it? It's like IF SOMEONE TWEETED, "HEY,
- 23:30BRONX ZOO, you should let visitors jerk
- 23:32off the lemurs."
- 23:33AND I REPLIED WITH, "FACTS." THUMBS UP
- 23:35EMOJI. SURE, I might not technically
- 23:38have brought it up first, but I did not
- 23:40cover myself in glory there.
- 23:43And to be clear, Kenyon still hasn't
- 23:44apologized for those comments,
- 23:46continuing to defend himself claiming
- 23:47that he's just an ordinary person who's
- 23:49rough around the edges. Though, for the
- 23:51record, rough around the edges means
- 23:53that you don't know what a crab fork is,
- 23:56not that you think it's okay to
- 23:57participate in internet discourse about
- 23:59a public woman's birthday
- 24:01The point is, this is the candidate with
- 24:05vehemently sexist and rim job positive
- 24:07views
- 24:08who could theoretically take down
- 24:10Labour's best hope of retaining control
- 24:12of the government past the next
- 24:13election. And it is really hard not to
- 24:16feel for the voters of Makerfield here,
- 24:19who've been at the center of an absolute
- 24:21circus over the last month. And who have
- 24:23plenty of local issues that do need
- 24:26addressing from affordable housing to
- 24:28flooding concerns to this massive
- 24:30illegal waste dump that Makerfield's
- 24:31previous MP, the very guy in fact who
- 24:34stepped down to let Burnham run, had
- 24:36actually been working to finally get
- 24:38cleaned up.
- 24:39>> It's a grotesque dump that Sky News has
- 24:42investigated over the past year.
- 24:45It was March, almost 3 months ago when
- 24:48it was announced that the funding was in
- 24:49place to clear this up. But, it's still
- 24:52hasn't happened.
- 24:53>> Which of the candidates in this
- 24:54by-election do you think would follow
- 24:56through on that and make sure it is
- 24:58cleaned up?
- 24:58>> I would say that the candidates are just
- 25:01front men, really. It's not just about
- 25:03us anymore, it's about
- 25:05I think the future of
- 25:07politics in the country. It feels a bit
- 25:09more, you know,
- 25:11a bit overwhelming, really, that we
- 25:12could be pivotal in this, and I just
- 25:15really hope that
- 25:17people make the right choice.
- 25:19>> Yeah, so do I. And if there are two
- 25:22things that you don't want someone to be
- 25:24overwhelmed by at the same time, it's
- 25:26responsibility for deciding England's
- 25:28political future and odors from a
- 25:30massive illegal waste dump.
- 25:32So, what happens next here? Well,
- 25:34someone is clearly going to win this
- 25:36Thursday's election. And while current
- 25:37polls suggest Labour has a lead, that
- 25:40may be partly because Reform, the ultra
- 25:42far-right party that remember is going
- 25:43to save Britain from kosher butchery, is
- 25:46siphoning off votes from Reform. And
- 25:48even if Burnham does win and is then
- 25:51able to unseat Starmer, he'll still face
- 25:54the same dismal economy and the same
- 25:55furious voters with only 3 years to
- 25:58figure out how to deliver the change
- 26:00that Starmer couldn't before facing
- 26:01elections in 2029. But if Burnham loses,
- 26:05it is going to be a mess. I
- 26:08mean, a Babi's head spread on a pile of
- 26:10chips mess. And I don't say that
- 26:12lightly.
- 26:14A Burnham loss would be a huge success
- 26:16for Farage's Reform Party and a
- 26:18humiliation for Labour so devastating
- 26:20devastating they may never recover. And
- 26:23at that point, with Britain's two
- 26:24long-dominant parties further crushed,
- 26:26there was a genuine chance that in a few
- 26:28years we could see Money Shot McFlurry
- 26:31here elected as Prime Minister.
- 26:33Look, when we last covered an election
- 26:35in the UK, we talked about how it could
- 26:37be an extinction-level event for the
- 26:39Conservative Party. And it kind of was.
- 26:43But it is frankly incredible that just 2
- 26:45years later, Labour has up so
- 26:47badly and has thrown his own voters
- 26:49under to bus so consistently, they now
- 26:52face the same threat. Because, and I'm
- 26:54sure this is a lesson with no
- 26:56applicability to US politics.
- 26:59You can't promise change, only to turn
- 27:02around and capitulate to the right on
- 27:04key principles that you are supposed to
- 27:06stand for. Because not only will you
- 27:08lose people to your left, the right will
- 27:10just keep moving the goalposts again and
- 27:13again, and you'll only have yourself to
- 27:15blame.
- 27:17AND IF LABOUR loses this by-election,
- 27:20and what ultimately comes out of it is
- 27:22Prime Minister Farage, that is going to
- 27:24be hard to swallow.
- 27:26In fact, I'd go so far as to say that it
- 27:28will be the hardest thing to swallow to
- 27:30come out of the Makerfield area,
- 27:32aside from, of course,
- 27:35the babies. YEAH.
- 27:38WE ALL KNEW THAT IT WAS GOING TO end
- 27:40like this.
- 27:43That is our show. Thank you so much for
- 27:45watching. We'll see you next week.
- 27:47Good night.
- 28:00>> [music]
- 28:04>> There's no place like home.
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