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  1. 0:04Before we get to our main story tonight,
  2. 0:06I want to talk to you about an area in
  3. 0:08the UK called Makerfield. It's between
  4. 0:10Manchester and Liverpool, and it
  5. 0:11contains, among other things, parts of
  6. 0:13Wigan, the town where charmingly Wallace
  7. 0:15and Gromit live, and which was slightly
  8. 0:17less charmingly once portrayed by George
  9. 0:19Orwell as a sinkhole of misery.
  10. 0:22Two fun facts that I frankly can't
  11. 0:23believe Aardman Animators haven't
  12. 0:25already combined into a single movie.
  13. 0:28And to be fair, George Orwell's not the
  14. 0:29only one with a low opinion of Wigan.
  15. 0:31Just watch as this guy pays the town a
  16. 0:33visit and interviews some local kids.
  17. 0:36>> What's the best thing about Wigan?
  18. 0:38>> It's
  19. 0:39>> I've only got fingers, Galloways pies.
  20. 0:41>> But why does everyone say Galloways
  21. 0:42pies?
  22. 0:42>> They're better.
  23. 0:43>> Bolton or Wigan?
  24. 0:44>> Bolton.
  25. 0:45>> Really?
  26. 0:45>> Yeah, I'd choose Bolton over Wigan. It's
  27. 0:47just a Well, they're both
  28. 0:48shitholes at the end of the day.
  29. 0:50>> Fantastic. I think my favorite part of
  30. 0:52that is "Why does everyone say Galloways
  31. 0:54pies?" being answered with "Because it's
  32. 0:56better." Better than what, exactly?
  33. 0:59Although, to be fair, based on those
  34. 1:00kids' attitude, I'm guessing the answer
  35. 1:01was "Better than any other parts of my
  36. 1:02day in this godforsaken town."
  37. 1:05And look, as nice as Galloways pies
  38. 1:07sounds, I should tell you one of Wigan's
  39. 1:09signature local dishes is actually
  40. 1:11something called a babby's yed, a suet
  41. 1:13pudding that can be served floatin or a
  42. 1:15floatin in gravy or pay wet, served
  43. 1:18with, and I quote, "the sort of
  44. 1:19discharge that comes off of mushy peas."
  45. 1:22Which sounds less like a recipe and more
  46. 1:24like an episode of Chopped where the
  47. 1:26only ingredient were items found in the
  48. 1:27dumpster.
  49. 1:29Just listen to this man explain the dish
  50. 1:31even further.
  51. 1:32>> When you tip it out, it's supposed to
  52. 1:34look like a baby's head.
  53. 1:40The [laughter] hat is obviously this.
  54. 1:41So, when they ask for the the babby's
  55. 1:43yed with hat on,
  56. 1:45or baby's head with the hat on,
  57. 1:47it's to keep it warm. I don't like all
  58. 1:49the gravy and the peas and everything up
  59. 1:50and curry or whatever mushed in. I like
  60. 1:52the chips to be dry with and I'll squash
  61. 1:56it down like
  62. 1:57>> [cheering]
  63. 1:58>> And I'll mix it in with the chips.
  64. 2:01>> Okay. Just for the record, I also find
  65. 2:04that disgusting.
  66. 2:06In fact, I genuinely might prefer
  67. 2:08watching that man eat an actual baby's
  68. 2:10head.
  69. 2:11Now, the reason I'm talking about this
  70. 2:13relatively small area in northern
  71. 2:14England is for complicated reasons. Next
  72. 2:16week, it may end up deciding the next
  73. 2:19Prime Minister of the UK and changing
  74. 2:21the course of British history. And if
  75. 2:23you're thinking, wait, hold on. Didn't
  76. 2:24Britain just elect a new Prime Minister?
  77. 2:27Yeah, it did. Just 2 years ago, Keir
  78. 2:29Starmer and the Labour Party swept into
  79. 2:31power, breaking the Conservative Party's
  80. 2:33stronghold on government that had lasted
  81. 2:34for 14 years. And Starmer's Starmer's
  82. 2:36slogan back then really was change,
  83. 2:39which does make sense as he looks like a
  84. 2:41man who saw Obama's hope and change
  85. 2:42campaign and said, "Hope? Yeah, come on.
  86. 2:45Let's
  87. 2:46Let's not go crazy. Let's just go with
  88. 2:47change and put it in the smallest font
  89. 2:49imaginable."
  90. 2:51Back then, Starmer was riding high, but
  91. 2:54things have not gone well.
  92. 2:56>> He's been in office less than 2 years,
  93. 2:58but failed to kickstart Britain's
  94. 3:00sluggish economy. He also made the
  95. 3:02disastrous decision to appoint Peter
  96. 3:05Mandelson as the UK's ambassador to
  97. 3:07Washington. Mandelson was known to be a
  98. 3:09long-time friend of Jeffrey Epstein. The
  99. 3:12scandal has badly weakened Starmer,
  100. 3:15who's faced ridicule from President
  101. 3:16Trump.
  102. 3:17>> This is
  103. 3:18not Winston Churchill that we're dealing
  104. 3:21with.
  105. 3:21>> Yeah,
  106. 3:22he's not Winston Churchill. That is a
  107. 3:25pretty savage burn coming from a man who
  108. 3:27himself is very much not FDR.
  109. 3:30Apart from, of course, his pension for
  110. 3:32hiding his medical conditions. The point
  111. 3:35is, voters in Britain have turned on
  112. 3:37Starmer hard, which came to a head last
  113. 3:39month during local elections around the
  114. 3:41country when Labour got absolutely
  115. 3:43clobbered, losing more than 1,400
  116. 3:46representatives from English councils.
  117. 3:48And it's not just that people feel
  118. 3:49Starmer hasn't delivered change. They
  119. 3:52seem to personally loathe him.
  120. 3:54>> What are your thoughts on Keir Starmer?
  121. 3:58>> Can I swear?
  122. 3:59>> You can be as honest as you like.
  123. 4:00>> He's prick.
  124. 4:02>> I mean
  125. 4:03that is perfect. The only way that could
  126. 4:05have been better is if she then said,
  127. 4:06"Actually, can I take a minute to think
  128. 4:08of a meaner one? I want to really hurt
  129. 4:09his feelings." Or hold on, "Can I say
  130. 4:11on the news? I'm pretty sure I can,
  131. 4:13right?"
  132. 4:14But incredibly, Starmer has been digging
  133. 4:16in. In fact, just listen to him last
  134. 4:18month, right after his party got
  135. 4:20shellacked in those elections.
  136. 4:22>> Did you contemplate this morning that
  137. 4:25the responsibility is that it's time for
  138. 4:27you to go and to resign?
  139. 4:30>> Let me be clear, these are really tough
  140. 4:31results. I'm not going to sugarcoat it.
  141. 4:34>> Did you contemplate that the problem
  142. 4:35might be you, that you might need to go
  143. 4:37to help Labour win these seats back? Did
  144. 4:40you even contemplate it? Did you
  145. 4:41acknowledge it as a conversation even?
  146. 4:44>> Look, I think it's absolutely clear
  147. 4:47that the electorate are fed up with the
  148. 4:50fact that their lives aren't changing
  149. 4:52quickly enough.
  150. 4:54>> Wow, it is brutal how that reporter just
  151. 4:57kept rephrasing that same question. Did
  152. 4:59you contemplate it was your fault? Did
  153. 5:01you even acknowledge it? Did you write a
  154. 5:03list of possible problems on a
  155. 5:04whiteboard and include as one of them
  156. 5:06yourself? Have Have you ever looked into
  157. 5:08the mirror and questioned whether you,
  158. 5:09Keir Starmer, are the root cause of all
  159. 5:11the problems in the country right now?
  160. 5:13And if not, WHY NOT?
  161. 5:16SUFFICE to say, Starmer and the Labour
  162. 5:17Party are in big trouble. But they still
  163. 5:21have a chance to change course here,
  164. 5:22because remember, the UK system is
  165. 5:24different from the US's. Over there, the
  166. 5:26ruling party can actually swap out its
  167. 5:28leader without having to call a general
  168. 5:30election. That is why, while Americans
  169. 5:32are typically stuck with our choice for
  170. 5:344 years, barring a truly hilarious
  171. 5:36manhole accident,
  172. 5:39in the UK, prime ministers have a more
  173. 5:41transient quality. It's one of the
  174. 5:42reasons why there's been four of them in
  175. 5:44the past 4 years, including one who
  176. 5:47famously didn't even outlast a head of
  177. 5:49lettuce.
  178. 5:51And many in Labour think their best
  179. 5:53option is to replace Starmer with this
  180. 5:55man, Andy Burnham, the popular mayor of
  181. 5:57Greater Manchester. The thing is, to be
  182. 6:00Prime Minister, you have to be a sitting
  183. 6:02member of Parliament, but Burnham isn't.
  184. 6:05All of which brings us back to
  185. 6:07Makerfield, because to make a path for
  186. 6:09Burnham, the Labour MP for Makerfield
  187. 6:11recently resigned specifically to allow
  188. 6:13Burnham to run in a by-election there,
  189. 6:15the British equivalent of a special
  190. 6:17election this coming Thursday. And if
  191. 6:19Burnham wins, he's already confirmed
  192. 6:22he'll challenge Starmer to become Prime
  193. 6:24Minister. But if he loses, the Labour
  194. 6:25Party is pretty much And as
  195. 6:28you're about to see, some of the parties
  196. 6:30waiting to stake over are just
  197. 6:32incredibly grim. The point here is,
  198. 6:34roughly 76,000 registered voters in
  199. 6:37Makerfield. That is less than the
  200. 6:38capacity of giant stadium, and about 1/6
  201. 6:41of 1% of Britain's voting population,
  202. 6:44currently hold the future of the country
  203. 6:46in their hands. So, given all of that,
  204. 6:48tonight let's talk about the Makerfield
  205. 6:50by-election, how Labour got to this
  206. 6:52point, which parties are nipping at
  207. 6:54their heels, and who some of the
  208. 6:56candidates in it are, because the whole
  209. 6:57thing is just bonkers. And let's
  210. 7:01start with how Starmer support collapsed
  211. 7:03so quickly. To be fair, some of that was
  212. 7:06outside his control. The UK's economy
  213. 7:07has been struggling for the past two
  214. 7:08decades for all sorts of reasons, from
  215. 7:10Brexit to the pandemic to Russia's
  216. 7:12invasion of Ukraine. People are really
  217. 7:14struggling there, with one poll showing
  218. 7:16almost six in 10 Britons saying they
  219. 7:18felt the cost of living crisis would
  220. 7:20never end. That would be a huge
  221. 7:22challenge for even a savvy politician,
  222. 7:25which Starmer very much is not.
  223. 7:28His solutions like cutting fuel payments
  224. 7:30for the elderly have caused huge
  225. 7:31blowback and for minimal gain, to the
  226. 7:33point where this is how one group of
  227. 7:35analysts describe him.
  228. 7:37>> I remember I I was looking back at what
  229. 7:38he said at the time. His plan was to
  230. 7:40make good decisions.
  231. 7:42That's not a plan.
  232. 7:44And particularly if you're not good at
  233. 7:45decision-making, which turns out he also
  234. 7:47wasn't very good at. Let's talk about
  235. 7:48his judgment of people.
  236. 7:49>> Is he Is he good with people?
  237. 7:51>> Uh no.
  238. 7:52>> Does he work well with cabinet
  239. 7:53ministers?
  240. 7:54>> They regard him with near open contempt.
  241. 7:57>> Holy that is so brutally cold. I
  242. 8:01almost wish they kept GOING THERE. WHAT
  243. 8:03ABOUT ANIMALS? How is he with animals?
  244. 8:05Birds frequently try to fly into his
  245. 8:06face and dogs show him even less
  246. 8:08respect. And what of children? He held a
  247. 8:10baby at a speech once and the baby
  248. 8:11called him a risless wanker. Anything
  249. 8:14else you'd like to add at this point?
  250. 8:15Sure, automatic doors refuse to open for
  251. 8:17him and plants exposed to his picture
  252. 8:19are 70% less likely to yield flowers.
  253. 8:23And amazingly the public is even less
  254. 8:25enthusiastic about Starmer with recent
  255. 8:26focus groups descriptions of him
  256. 8:28including a jellyfish and a doormat.
  257. 8:31And one big reason for that is for a man
  258. 8:33who's already pretty much a centrist, he
  259. 8:35has relentlessly pandered to the right
  260. 8:38on everything from trans rights
  261. 8:39immigration to the pro-Palestine
  262. 8:41movement. On that last front, his
  263. 8:43government's now classified a civil
  264. 8:45disobedience group called Palestine
  265. 8:46Action as a terrorist organization
  266. 8:49banning it uh which has made belonging
  267. 8:51to it or inviting support for it a
  268. 8:53serious crime punishable by up to 14
  269. 8:55years in prison. Now in the wake of that
  270. 8:57decision, priests, teachers and
  271. 8:59pensioners are among hundreds of people
  272. 9:01who've been arrested merely for holding
  273. 9:03up signs in support of the organization
  274. 9:05resulting in these crazy images of
  275. 9:08elderly protesters getting carried away
  276. 9:10by police. Those are some bad visuals
  277. 9:13for any leader, let alone one who
  278. 9:15literally used to be a human rights
  279. 9:17lawyer.
  280. 9:19And it is frankly no wonder many
  281. 9:21progressive Labour supporters have since
  282. 9:23been drawn to the UK's Green Party
  283. 9:26including this one.
  284. 9:27>> Looking at the parties, who do you like
  285. 9:29at the moment?
  286. 9:30>> I think definitely Greens these days or
  287. 9:33independent probably.
  288. 9:35>> You say these days?
  289. 9:36>> Yeah.
  290. 9:36>> A couple of years ago would that have
  291. 9:37been the case?
  292. 9:38>> Uh no, I was a big fan of Labour.
  293. 9:41>> So, what's changed in the last few
  294. 9:42years?
  295. 9:42>> There's been a a lot of things that have
  296. 9:45been sliding to the right and betraying
  297. 9:47a lot of um like working class voters.
  298. 9:50And people of color, also refugees, and
  299. 9:54um basically minorities, even like trans
  300. 9:57healthcare and and LGBT rights and all
  301. 9:59this stuff.
  302. 10:00>> That's quite a long list.
  303. 10:01>> Yes, for sure.
  304. 10:03Yeah. It is a pretty long list, isn't
  305. 10:05it? It kind of seems like someone asked
  306. 10:07Starmer, "Who do you want to throw under
  307. 10:08the bus?" and he just said, "Yes."
  308. 10:11So,
  309. 10:12So, Starmer's clearly disappointed many
  310. 10:14on the left. And normally, the challenge
  311. 10:16to his right would have come from
  312. 10:17Labour's traditional opposition, the
  313. 10:18Conservatives, but they too saw major
  314. 10:21losses in last month's elections. And
  315. 10:22the party that's increasingly taken
  316. 10:24their place is the further right Reform
  317. 10:26UK. It won nearly 1,500 council races,
  318. 10:30which is clearly great news for its
  319. 10:31leader, Nigel Farage, biblically
  320. 10:33accurate frog prince and professional
  321. 10:36Now, we've talked about Farage
  322. 10:38before. He's the provocative bigot who
  323. 10:40spearheaded the campaign for Brexit and
  324. 10:42has on multiple occasions had milkshakes
  325. 10:44thrown at him.
  326. 10:45Here he is right after one of those
  327. 10:47incidents,
  328. 10:49looking like he's modeling a suit from
  329. 10:51Jos. A. Bank collection.
  330. 10:54>> [applause]
  331. 10:54>> Farage built the Reform Party around his
  332. 10:56usual right-wing talking points, which
  333. 10:58are heavy on the xenophobia, as you can
  334. 11:00kind of see through videos like this.
  335. 11:03>> You ask yourself why public services
  336. 11:05have diminished. You ask yourself why
  337. 11:08rents have gone through the roof. The
  338. 11:09population explosion has done that. And
  339. 11:12then you look at parts of London, for
  340. 11:13example,
  341. 11:14where the road names, the underground
  342. 11:17signs aren't just in English,
  343. 11:19they're in a foreign language as well. 1
  344. 11:21million people living in this country
  345. 11:23don't speak any English at all.
  346. 11:25>> Okay, first, and I think you probably
  347. 11:27already know this, that 1 million figure
  348. 11:29is just As of the most recent
  349. 11:32census, only around 160,000 people in
  350. 11:34England and Wales said that they
  351. 11:35couldn't speak any English. But also, a
  352. 11:37British man complaining, "Foreigners
  353. 11:40showed up and now this road sign isn't
  354. 11:41in the language I speak." is
  355. 11:44bold given, you know, history. I'm just
  356. 11:48saying.
  357. 11:49The largest lake in Africa wasn't always
  358. 11:51called Lake Victoria.
  359. 11:54That only started when some pasty white
  360. 11:56dude showed up and decided to name it
  361. 11:57after his national mommy.
  362. 12:00And as much as I'm sure everyone liked
  363. 12:02imagining her drowning in there, it is
  364. 12:03probably time to rename it. But
  365. 12:06nonetheless, bigotry and grievance have
  366. 12:08propelled the Reform Party forward
  367. 12:10despite Farage's own significant baggage
  368. 12:13from his long history of lies and sexism
  369. 12:15to more recent questions about how how a
  370. 12:175 million pound gift that he received
  371. 12:19from a crypto billionaire shortly before
  372. 12:21announcing that he'd run in the 2024
  373. 12:23general election. When asked about that,
  374. 12:25his response wasn't exactly great.
  375. 12:28>> This was given to me as an unconditional
  376. 12:31basis.
  377. 12:32Completely unconditional basis. But
  378. 12:34frankly,
  379. 12:36it was given as a reward for campaigning
  380. 12:38for Brexit for 27 years.
  381. 12:39>> And it had no it had no impact on your
  382. 12:41decision to come back into public life?
  383. 12:43>> No.
  384. 12:44>> He He who
  385. 12:45pays the piper picks the tune.
  386. 12:47>> Hang on a second. Hang on a second. I
  387. 12:48can't be bought by anybody.
  388. 12:50>> Well, Farage makes some sharp turns
  389. 12:52there going from this was an
  390. 12:54unconditional gift to I was paid as a
  391. 12:56reward for a specific action to I can't
  392. 12:59be bought by anybody. Honestly, if you
  393. 13:01let him talk for long enough there, I'm
  394. 13:02pretty sure he'd get himself to But you
  395. 13:04know what? I can be rented out on an
  396. 13:06interim basis.
  397. 13:08But despite all of that, Reform's
  398. 13:10anti-immigrant messaging has clearly
  399. 13:12found an audience. Just watch this video
  400. 13:14of a local Reform candidate from earlier
  401. 13:16this year denying charges of racism
  402. 13:19before then talking to a supporter who
  403. 13:21slightly undercuts her argument.
  404. 13:23>> I think the thing I hear more than
  405. 13:25anything else is a fascist and Nazi,
  406. 13:28which is the furthest
  407. 13:30>> [laughter]
  408. 13:31>> than what we are. We're just not that at
  409. 13:33all.
  410. 13:35>> None of us are racist.
  411. 13:37>> No, I'm not.
  412. 13:38>> But they tell you that if you say
  413. 13:39something about it.
  414. 13:41>> but I'll tell you what, to be honest,
  415. 13:42I've never been racist.
  416. 13:43>> No.
  417. 13:44>> But I'm getting that way.
  418. 13:45>> WOAH!
  419. 13:46>> [screaming]
  420. 13:47>> WOAH!
  421. 13:49I'VE NEVER BEEN RACIST, BUT I'M GETTING
  422. 13:51THAT WAY. WELL, GUESS WHAT? If you're
  423. 13:52CONSIDERING IT, YOU'RE ACTUALLY ALREADY
  424. 13:54THERE.
  425. 13:55IT'S NOT LIKE GETTING BANGS. YOU DON'T
  426. 13:58HAVE TO WAIT for the racism to grow in.
  427. 14:00You did it. The journey is the
  428. 14:01destination.
  429. 14:04Now, now Reform will claim that they've
  430. 14:06distanced themselves from rhetoric like
  431. 14:08that. Farage has boasted that they've
  432. 14:09professionalized the party, but it is
  433. 14:11worth noting that the candidates it ran
  434. 14:13last month included Brett Muscroft, who
  435. 14:16reportedly posted on Facebook, "Islam is
  436. 14:18like cancer. If you don't remove it on
  437. 14:20time, it will kill you." And Andrew
  438. 14:22Mahon, who posted, "No disrespect, but
  439. 14:24why can black people use the N-word, but
  440. 14:26white people cannot?" Demonstrating the
  441. 14:28exact level of delusion that would make
  442. 14:30someone comfortable leaving the house in
  443. 14:32this selection of outfits. And honestly,
  444. 14:35if his argument is that he can't see
  445. 14:37color,
  446. 14:38he's making a pretty good case for it.
  447. 14:40>> [cheering]
  448. 14:42>> And when one of Reform's leaders went on
  449. 14:44the news right after their election wins
  450. 14:46last month, he got this awkward question
  451. 14:49about yet another of their shitty
  452. 14:51candidates.
  453. 14:52>> One of your new Sunderland councilors,
  454. 14:54so a man who was elected to represent
  455. 14:56Reform, suggested melting Nigerians to
  456. 15:00fill potholes. Is that person, who's
  457. 15:03expressed those views, somebody you are
  458. 15:05happy to see represent Reform?
  459. 15:07>> This weekend, we are celebrating our
  460. 15:09incredible successes. Like any party,
  461. 15:11you have internal party processes to
  462. 15:13look at where people uh have said or
  463. 15:16done the wrong thing.
  464. 15:16>> condemn those remarks?
  465. 15:18>> Laura,
  466. 15:19I condemn anything that is wrong AND
  467. 15:22>> WHICH THAT IS?
  468. 15:24>> JESUS CHRIST, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS WORSE
  469. 15:25THERE, HIS FAILURE TO directly condemn
  470. 15:27someone for suggesting melting Nigerians
  471. 15:29to fill potholes or that he seems
  472. 15:32genuinely annoyed that he's being asked
  473. 15:33about it. Because if you cannot denounce
  474. 15:35that, you should really expect to be
  475. 15:37asked about it for the rest of your
  476. 15:39life. In fact, EVEN AFTER YOUR LIFE, at
  477. 15:40your funeral, someone should politely
  478. 15:42knock on your coffin to say, "Sorry you
  479. 15:44died, but last chance, any final comment
  480. 15:46on that pothole racist?"
  481. 15:49And it actually gets worse because
  482. 15:51incredibly Reform itself is now being
  483. 15:54challenged on its right by an even newer
  484. 15:55party called Restore Britain. It enjoys
  485. 15:58the support of fascists, neo-Nazis, and
  486. 16:00other extremists with Elon Musk even
  487. 16:02tweeting, "Only Restore Britain can save
  488. 16:05Britain." And the fact that Restore is
  489. 16:08gaining support should be pretty
  490. 16:10alarming given just how poisonous its
  491. 16:12policies are. Here Here is their leader,
  492. 16:14Rupert Lowe, giving you just a taste.
  493. 16:17>> We will celebrate our Christian heritage
  494. 16:19and the identity [music] that built and
  495. 16:21shaped this country, responsibility,
  496. 16:23restraint, forgiveness, duty, [music]
  497. 16:26and fairness.
  498. 16:28In short, a high-trust society. That
  499. 16:31will mean defending our culture.
  500. 16:33That will mean [music] resisting the
  501. 16:35relentless creep of radical Islam. That
  502. 16:38will mean banning the burka, outlawing
  503. 16:41Sharia law,
  504. 16:43blocking cousin marriages, and
  505. 16:45reimposing our Christian-based rule of
  506. 16:47law. A Restore Britain government would
  507. 16:50legislate to ensure [music] that no
  508. 16:52halal or kosher slaughter on British
  509. 16:55soil. This is Britain, and we will do
  510. 16:57things our [music] way.
  511. 16:59>> Oh, spare me, Rupert. And while
  512. 17:02it is clearly not the most important
  513. 17:04thing there, for the record, the
  514. 17:05culture, heritage, and identity that
  515. 17:07shaped Britain was literally built on
  516. 17:09cousin marriages. IT'S
  517. 17:11IT'S BEEN A PRETTY CRUCIAL PART of the
  518. 17:14whole process. YOU MIGHT WANT TO BRUSH
  519. 17:16UP ON YOUR HISTORY given that your
  520. 17:17general vibe there is so cartoonishly
  521. 17:19English. You look like your first words
  522. 17:21as a baby were British East India
  523. 17:23Company.
  524. 17:25The point is, with Reform on the rise
  525. 17:28and Restore pulling it even further to
  526. 17:30the right, Britain risks heading in a
  527. 17:32very dark direction and at least in the
  528. 17:34immediate future, the only party
  529. 17:36positioned to stop that slide is the one
  530. 17:38currently in power, Labour. Which brings
  531. 17:40us back to Andy Burnham. He's actually
  532. 17:42been a contender to lead the Labour
  533. 17:43Party for years now. He used to be an MP
  534. 17:46and even served as Health Secretary for
  535. 17:48a year. But after two failed attempts to
  536. 17:50become leader, he became mayor of
  537. 17:52Greater Manchester, where he made
  538. 17:53national news standing up to Boris
  539. 17:54Johnson's government over its failure to
  540. 17:56provide enough assistance during the
  541. 17:57COVID lockdowns.
  542. 17:59>> It is wrong to place some of the poorest
  543. 18:01parts of England
  544. 18:03in a punishing lockdown without proper
  545. 18:05support for the people and businesses
  546. 18:08affected. This is an important moment.
  547. 18:12Greater Manchester will stand firm. We
  548. 18:16are fighting back for fairness and for
  549. 18:19the health of our people in the broadest
  550. 18:21sense.
  551. 18:22>> Yeah, it's moments like that that helped
  552. 18:24Burnham become known as the King of the
  553. 18:26North. In fact, he's currently ranked as
  554. 18:28Britain's most popular politician with
  555. 18:30an average popularity rating of 35%,
  556. 18:33which I know doesn't sound like much.
  557. 18:36>> [laughter]
  558. 18:37>> But you do have to remember the British
  559. 18:38mind can only hold 35% happiness at a
  560. 18:41maximum.
  561. 18:42Winning the World Cup can push us up to
  562. 18:4440%, but that has only happened once
  563. 18:47unless, I guess, they win again this
  564. 18:49summer. So we'll just have to wait and
  565. 18:50see exactly how they don't. And And on
  566. 18:53its face,
  567. 18:55Burnham winning in Wakefield really
  568. 18:57shouldn't be difficult given it's been a
  569. 18:59safe Labour seat for more than 120
  570. 19:01years. But the truth is, voters there
  571. 19:03have become less predictable in recent
  572. 19:05years. During Brexit, nearly 2/3 voted
  573. 19:07to leave the EU. And in last month's
  574. 19:09local elections, Reform won every ward
  575. 19:11there. What is more, Burnham doesn't
  576. 19:14technically live in the constituency.
  577. 19:16And while some residents may find his
  578. 19:18ambitions for higher office appealing,
  579. 19:20others are understandably a bit
  580. 19:22resentful at having him sworn in and use
  581. 19:24them as a springboard to get there.
  582. 19:26>> You're going to be voting for someone
  583. 19:27who's not going to be here, who's got
  584. 19:29bigger issues than Ashley Mayfield,
  585. 19:32really. So, it won't be his priority.
  586. 19:34>> We're not here to enable him to pursue
  587. 19:36his personal ambitions.
  588. 19:37>> I'm sure Andy Burnham is only using
  589. 19:40those as a stepping stone, anyway. He
  590. 19:43don't care about Mayfield. He's not
  591. 19:45local.
  592. 19:47And he just wants to get into number 10.
  593. 19:52>> My mom is right. I don't I don't love
  594. 19:54that she's going around giving
  595. 19:55interviews about Andy Burnham with my
  596. 19:56dad, but that's a conversation that we
  597. 19:58can have at Christmas. Now, to counter
  598. 20:00that outside of narrative, Burnham's
  599. 20:02tried to point out his local bonafides,
  600. 20:04like the fact that his children went to
  601. 20:05school in the area and that he has loads
  602. 20:07of connections there. He even recently
  603. 20:08claimed that his favorite Wigan delicacy
  604. 20:10is, you've guessed it, Bab's yed. But
  605. 20:13But Reform seems to think that it can
  606. 20:15exploit the perception that he's an
  607. 20:17ambitious outsider because their
  608. 20:18candidate, Robert Kenyon, has gone out
  609. 20:20of his way to remind people that he is
  610. 20:22very much a local.
  611. 20:24>> I was born in Mayfield. [music]
  612. 20:26If I was elected, I'd be the first
  613. 20:27person born in the constituency to
  614. 20:29become the MP. I don't think any MP
  615. 20:31that's ever stood in Mayfield was
  616. 20:33actually born in the area. I'm a
  617. 20:35plumber, gas engineer. [music]
  618. 20:36I don't know, it gets me a bit emotional
  619. 20:37sometimes thinking there's a chance that
  620. 20:39I could be representing people [music]
  621. 20:40in Parliament because it's a massive
  622. 20:42honor and people will be thinking, "Hang
  623. 20:44on a minute, he serviced my boiler last
  624. 20:46week."
  625. 20:47>> Yeah,
  626. 20:47it's pretty striking, isn't it, when
  627. 20:49your opponent is being accused of being
  628. 20:50out of touch with the community? It's a
  629. 20:52pretty good counter to be able to say,
  630. 20:54"I have literally been elbow-deep in
  631. 20:55this entire community shit."
  632. 20:58But the point is, Kenyon is a
  633. 21:00salt-of-the-earth guy, a straight
  634. 21:01shooter, a regular Joe, it's not a
  635. 21:03career politician. And if you have the
  636. 21:05pattern recognition of a pigeon, you can
  637. 21:07probably tell what I'm about to say
  638. 21:08next, which is that his online history
  639. 21:10is a mess.
  640. 21:13A lot of his posts have resurfaced,
  641. 21:15including one that says, "I'm sexist,
  642. 21:17sorry, but I am." And another saying,
  643. 21:19"English women just walk around with
  644. 21:20their fat bellies and odd shapes pushing
  645. 21:22a pram at 16 in their PJs." One post
  646. 21:25actually caused that same reporting you
  647. 21:26saw earlier to physically chase him down
  648. 21:29the streets to answer for it.
  649. 21:31>> Why should women in Makerfield vote for
  650. 21:33you, Rob, if you speak to the press
  651. 21:34often? Why did women Why should women in
  652. 21:37Makerfield vote for you, Rob, when you
  653. 21:38said you were a sexist?
  654. 21:39>> Can you not
  655. 21:40>> No, no, but why should women vote for
  656. 21:42you?
  657. 21:42>> No, sorry. Thank you.
  658. 21:43>> When you said that you were a sexist and
  659. 21:45that they can't drive?
  660. 21:47>> It's true.
  661. 21:48Kenyon once said that women can't drive,
  662. 21:50so it might be more accurate to say that
  663. 21:52people in Makerfield will be thinking,
  664. 21:54"Hang on a minute, that guy did fix my
  665. 21:55boiler last week, but he then randomly
  666. 21:57told my wife that her natural place is
  667. 21:59in the kitchen." But amazingly, it gets
  668. 22:01even worse, because Kenyon also made a
  669. 22:03controversial post about a beloved
  670. 22:04figure in British broadcasting named
  671. 22:06Carol Vorderman. Very basically, for
  672. 22:08decades, she was the co-host of a
  673. 22:09popular afternoon game show called
  674. 22:11Countdown, and she became a national
  675. 22:13treasure. And knowing that, you can
  676. 22:15hopefully now understand the visual
  677. 22:17impact of what I'm about to show you.
  678. 22:20>> So, on Christmas Eve, um we spotted a
  679. 22:22message somebody sent to Carol Vorderman
  680. 22:25on their website.
  681. 22:27Uh
  682. 22:28which said, "Happy birthday, Carol. My
  683. 22:30god, I would love to smell and lick your
  684. 22:32asshole." Now, did you respond to that?
  685. 22:34>> Uh I responded to it a separate tweet.
  686. 22:37>> You responded to a separate tweet. So,
  687. 22:38go on, clarify.
  688. 22:39>> So, somebody had had written that. Um
  689. 22:42somebody else had commented on that, and
  690. 22:44then I responded to the comment on that.
  691. 22:48>> So, which one of them were you
  692. 22:49responding to? Were you responding to
  693. 22:50the one about the
  694. 22:52>> I mean, if you're even being asked that
  695. 22:55question, you are in serious trouble.
  696. 22:57And while he's trying to make it
  697. 22:59confusing there, it's actually pretty
  698. 23:00simple. Basically, someone on Twitter
  699. 23:01posted on Carol Vorderman's birthday,
  700. 23:03"Happy birthday, Carol. My god, I'd love
  701. 23:05to smell and lick your asshole." Someone
  702. 23:07else replied criticizing it saying, "If
  703. 23:09you're prepared to post this on a public
  704. 23:10forum, I would suggest your computer's
  705. 23:12drive probably needs checking." Only for
  706. 23:14Kenyon to respond, "He's only saying
  707. 23:16what we're all thinking." Cry laughing
  708. 23:18emoji, thumbs up emoji. So, KENYON'S
  709. 23:20DEFENSE OF THAT POST was essentially,
  710. 23:22"Hey, I'm not the one who brought it
  711. 23:24up."
  712. 23:25But, that's not remotely exculpatory, is
  713. 23:27it? It's like IF SOMEONE TWEETED, "HEY,
  714. 23:30BRONX ZOO, you should let visitors jerk
  715. 23:32off the lemurs."
  716. 23:33AND I REPLIED WITH, "FACTS." THUMBS UP
  717. 23:35EMOJI. SURE, I might not technically
  718. 23:38have brought it up first, but I did not
  719. 23:40cover myself in glory there.
  720. 23:43And to be clear, Kenyon still hasn't
  721. 23:44apologized for those comments,
  722. 23:46continuing to defend himself claiming
  723. 23:47that he's just an ordinary person who's
  724. 23:49rough around the edges. Though, for the
  725. 23:51record, rough around the edges means
  726. 23:53that you don't know what a crab fork is,
  727. 23:56not that you think it's okay to
  728. 23:57participate in internet discourse about
  729. 23:59a public woman's birthday
  730. 24:01The point is, this is the candidate with
  731. 24:05vehemently sexist and rim job positive
  732. 24:07views
  733. 24:08who could theoretically take down
  734. 24:10Labour's best hope of retaining control
  735. 24:12of the government past the next
  736. 24:13election. And it is really hard not to
  737. 24:16feel for the voters of Makerfield here,
  738. 24:19who've been at the center of an absolute
  739. 24:21circus over the last month. And who have
  740. 24:23plenty of local issues that do need
  741. 24:26addressing from affordable housing to
  742. 24:28flooding concerns to this massive
  743. 24:30illegal waste dump that Makerfield's
  744. 24:31previous MP, the very guy in fact who
  745. 24:34stepped down to let Burnham run, had
  746. 24:36actually been working to finally get
  747. 24:38cleaned up.
  748. 24:39>> It's a grotesque dump that Sky News has
  749. 24:42investigated over the past year.
  750. 24:45It was March, almost 3 months ago when
  751. 24:48it was announced that the funding was in
  752. 24:49place to clear this up. But, it's still
  753. 24:52hasn't happened.
  754. 24:53>> Which of the candidates in this
  755. 24:54by-election do you think would follow
  756. 24:56through on that and make sure it is
  757. 24:58cleaned up?
  758. 24:58>> I would say that the candidates are just
  759. 25:01front men, really. It's not just about
  760. 25:03us anymore, it's about
  761. 25:05I think the future of
  762. 25:07politics in the country. It feels a bit
  763. 25:09more, you know,
  764. 25:11a bit overwhelming, really, that we
  765. 25:12could be pivotal in this, and I just
  766. 25:15really hope that
  767. 25:17people make the right choice.
  768. 25:19>> Yeah, so do I. And if there are two
  769. 25:22things that you don't want someone to be
  770. 25:24overwhelmed by at the same time, it's
  771. 25:26responsibility for deciding England's
  772. 25:28political future and odors from a
  773. 25:30massive illegal waste dump.
  774. 25:32So, what happens next here? Well,
  775. 25:34someone is clearly going to win this
  776. 25:36Thursday's election. And while current
  777. 25:37polls suggest Labour has a lead, that
  778. 25:40may be partly because Reform, the ultra
  779. 25:42far-right party that remember is going
  780. 25:43to save Britain from kosher butchery, is
  781. 25:46siphoning off votes from Reform. And
  782. 25:48even if Burnham does win and is then
  783. 25:51able to unseat Starmer, he'll still face
  784. 25:54the same dismal economy and the same
  785. 25:55furious voters with only 3 years to
  786. 25:58figure out how to deliver the change
  787. 26:00that Starmer couldn't before facing
  788. 26:01elections in 2029. But if Burnham loses,
  789. 26:05it is going to be a mess. I
  790. 26:08mean, a Babi's head spread on a pile of
  791. 26:10chips mess. And I don't say that
  792. 26:12lightly.
  793. 26:14A Burnham loss would be a huge success
  794. 26:16for Farage's Reform Party and a
  795. 26:18humiliation for Labour so devastating
  796. 26:20devastating they may never recover. And
  797. 26:23at that point, with Britain's two
  798. 26:24long-dominant parties further crushed,
  799. 26:26there was a genuine chance that in a few
  800. 26:28years we could see Money Shot McFlurry
  801. 26:31here elected as Prime Minister.
  802. 26:33Look, when we last covered an election
  803. 26:35in the UK, we talked about how it could
  804. 26:37be an extinction-level event for the
  805. 26:39Conservative Party. And it kind of was.
  806. 26:43But it is frankly incredible that just 2
  807. 26:45years later, Labour has up so
  808. 26:47badly and has thrown his own voters
  809. 26:49under to bus so consistently, they now
  810. 26:52face the same threat. Because, and I'm
  811. 26:54sure this is a lesson with no
  812. 26:56applicability to US politics.
  813. 26:59You can't promise change, only to turn
  814. 27:02around and capitulate to the right on
  815. 27:04key principles that you are supposed to
  816. 27:06stand for. Because not only will you
  817. 27:08lose people to your left, the right will
  818. 27:10just keep moving the goalposts again and
  819. 27:13again, and you'll only have yourself to
  820. 27:15blame.
  821. 27:17AND IF LABOUR loses this by-election,
  822. 27:20and what ultimately comes out of it is
  823. 27:22Prime Minister Farage, that is going to
  824. 27:24be hard to swallow.
  825. 27:26In fact, I'd go so far as to say that it
  826. 27:28will be the hardest thing to swallow to
  827. 27:30come out of the Makerfield area,
  828. 27:32aside from, of course,
  829. 27:35the babies. YEAH.
  830. 27:38WE ALL KNEW THAT IT WAS GOING TO end
  831. 27:40like this.
  832. 27:43That is our show. Thank you so much for
  833. 27:45watching. We'll see you next week.
  834. 27:47Good night.
  835. 28:00>> [music]
  836. 28:04>> There's no place like home.

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