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0:00There has been an 80-year cover-up of
0:02the existence of non-human intelligent
0:04life covered up by elements of the US
0:05government, but this past Friday the
0:07[music] first tranche of evidence was
0:09released to the public.
0:10>> And the evidence is absolutely clear
0:12that there is some form of life with
0:14advanced technology. And they're all
0:16over the place. But the people involved
0:19in gatekeeping this information don't
0:20think [music] the public can handle the
0:21truth.
0:22>> People have had their lives threatened.
0:24>> of them are afraid to come forward
0:25[music] and tell the White House what
0:26they know. This has been kept from even
0:28sitting presidents. And I've interviewed
0:30high-level intelligence [music]
0:31officials and government officials. And
0:33there have been UAP crashes over the
0:35years and in some cases the crashed
0:37crafts had the bodies of non-humans in
0:39them. And now we have people on ships
0:41[music] seeing these things under the
0:43water with seeing enough times under
0:45enough different conditions that we just
0:47have to accept that it is real. So what
0:49exactly is inside this [music] report?
0:52We have so many sightings, even access
0:55to materials. And there's a number of
0:57files, reports, video, and still [music]
1:00images that were declassified. And the
1:02most notable piece of evidence in there
1:04is [music] this.
1:06So I have so many questions. You're
1:07probably familiar with this NASA report.
1:09They essentially say that they don't
1:10believe that these UAPs are aliens. Why
1:13would NASA be lying? Is there a reason
1:15why this stuff hasn't been captured on
1:16like an iPhone? [music] Are they
1:18currently living amongst us?
1:19>> And then do you trust the Trump
1:20administration to release [music] all of
1:22the available information?
1:23>> I think eventually we'll get to that
1:25moment that we've all only seen in
1:26movies where a sitting president steps
1:28to a microphone and tells the world
1:29we're not alone in the universe.
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2:26>> [music]
2:28>> Dr. Harold, Dan,
2:31I wanted to have a conversation with
2:32both of you today because you are two of
2:34the most popular voices online on this
2:36subject of UAPs, which is unidentified
2:39anomalous phenomena. Right. Exactly. It
2:41has been in all the news recently
2:43because Trump a couple of days ago
2:45released 400 classified files containing
2:47videos and photos and different reports
2:50on this subject of UAPs. Now, I
2:55don't have an opinion. I I honestly
2:57haven't gone that far down the rabbit
2:58hole on this subject, but I wanted to
3:00have the conversation with both of you
3:01because you do have opinions. So,
3:04starting with you, Dan,
3:06what is your background and as it
3:08relates to this subject of UAPs, what is
3:10it that you believe that most people
3:13don't know or understand? My interest in
3:15this topic comes from my childhood. And
3:17so, over the years, I just I read every
3:19book on the topic, watched every doc. I
3:21always wish someone had made a super
3:23serious, credible, sober documentary
3:26that only interviews people who have
3:28direct knowledge of this topic as a
3:30result of working for the US government.
3:31And so, got into producing as I was
3:34getting access to high-level
3:35intelligence officials and government
3:37officials before even filmed, I really
3:39quickly learned how serious and real the
3:42situation is and how
3:44serious it's treated behind the scenes.
3:46And you know, I made this movie, The Age
3:48of Disclosure, in secrecy over 3 and 1/2
3:51years. And I would say the headlines
3:54that I learned that the average person
3:55doesn't know is that there has in fact
3:59been an 80-year cover-up of the
4:01existence of non-human intelligent life.
4:03It has been covered up by elements of
4:04the US government since at least the
4:07late '40s. Other nations have also
4:09covered this up. And the other major
4:12headline is that the people who within
4:15the US government that have been
4:16gatekeeping this, they've also been
4:18involved in a high-stakes secret Cold
4:20War race with adversarial nations like
4:22China and Russia to reverse-engineer
4:24this technology of non-human origin. And
4:26And the stakes couldn't be higher. Those
4:28are the two massive headlines.
4:30And And I'm proud to say when the film
4:31came out, it created a national
4:33conversation at an at an unprecedented
4:36level, and it led to President Trump
4:39issuing this directive in the middle of
4:41February. Super unprecedented historic
4:44directive instructing federal agencies
4:46to start declassifying evidence it has
4:49they have of non-human intelligent life
4:52and UAP. And then that process began
4:55this past Friday. The first tranche of
4:57evidence was released to the public. And
5:00during the process of producing this
5:02documentary,
5:03who did you speak to? I got access to
5:06the highest levels of government,
5:08military, and intelligence community. My
5:09interview subjects range from Secretary
5:11Rubio, who's also our national security
5:13advisor now, White House National
5:15Security Council members, Navy fighter
5:18pilots, admirals, generals, a former
5:20Secretary of Defense, uh the leadership
5:23of all the recent classified US
5:25government UAP investigations. Every
5:28single person is extremely credible. Hal
5:31Hal was one of my interview subjects.
5:33Hal's
5:34one of the most senior scientist uh to
5:36work on this topic for the US government
5:38in classified projects. And him and all
5:41these other people interviewed, they had
5:43a lot of information they could legally
5:45share
5:46over the years, but they were always
5:47discouraged from doing so, and they
5:48never really had the opportunity to
5:50comfortably do it. No one wanted to be
5:51the one guy out on a limb
5:53saying something extraordinary on CNN or
5:55Fox or 60 Minutes and then being subject
5:57to the the pushback and the ridicule.
6:00And so, when I realized that, I I
6:02started socializing a plan for how to
6:05step out of the shadows arm in arm with
6:07safety in numbers. I'll pick up on that
6:10point now. We talked about safety in
6:11numbers. How he he mentioned you there.
6:14You're part of the documentary. I saw
6:15you as well in the trailer of the
6:16documentary. What is your background and
6:18why what reference points are you
6:20drawing on to speak on the subject of
6:22UAPs and UFOs, etc.? I'm a quantum
6:25physicist. I worked for the National
6:27Security Agency for various uh
6:30organizations in the intelligence
6:32community like CIA and so on. And so, as
6:34part of my technical work, uh I was also
6:37a consultant, uh chief science advisor
6:39to Robert Bigelow of Bigelow Aerospace.
6:43He's really quite quite a titan. I mean,
6:45he has two space stations orbiting the
6:48Earth. So, anyway, those those people
6:50who are in in the space business and
6:53they're moving out into space, they just
6:55can't help but wondering, you know, what
6:57are we going to run into when when we
6:59get out there? As a science advisor to
7:01him, uh it turned out that the Defense
7:04Intelligence Agency came forward and
7:07said, uh you know, we need to find out
7:09uh really what's uh going on in the
7:11so-called UAP area. So, then they
7:13determined they were just going to start
7:15a UAP program. If that program they
7:17started was called A SAP. They hired a
7:19whole team, for example, Hal. And that
7:21program started in 2008. Um
7:25and
7:26got a lot of pushback behind the scenes
7:28because it turned out
7:30when they looked over the intelligence
7:31community to see if there was another
7:32UFO program and didn't think there was,
7:34turns out there was one. And there was a
7:36deeply hidden program referred to as the
7:38legacy program.
7:39And it had been operating in the shadows
7:41since the 40s
7:43uh outside of congressional oversight,
7:45outside of the oversight of the White
7:46House.
7:47Um completely, you know, off off
7:50>> Completely hidden away. Yeah. As hidden
7:52as a program can be.
7:53And so they started pushing back behind
7:56the scenes against everyone involved in
7:58AATIP because they didn't want anyone
8:00else looking into this, right? Started
8:02to cause a lot of bureaucratic issues
8:04for them, red tape issues, and
8:06ultimately AATIP lost its funding in
8:082010 despite the fact that it was
8:10looking into very real issues like UAP
8:13over our nuclear weapon sites. It shut
8:15down in 2010. Why do you think it shut
8:16down?
8:17They were dealt
8:19these bureaucratic hurdles behind the
8:21scenes by people involved in the legacy
8:22program, people who just caused problems
8:24and prevented funding and it's a lot of,
8:27you know, it's a
8:27big bureaucracy. People can people can
8:30do things behind the scenes to prevent
8:31funding from coming through
8:33for programs. And so ultimately they
8:36lost their their funding in 2010 and
8:37then Jay Stratton and other people
8:39involved they were continuing to look
8:41into this because they they didn't want
8:43this serious national security concern
8:45to go, you know, on on investigated,
8:48right? So you know, that's how somebody
8:50like me gets pulled in and they say,
8:52"Okay, these pilots are out there and
8:53they said they see craft coming out of
8:55the ocean and making right angle turns
8:57at 6 G or whatever." And they say, "Oh
9:00my god, this is way beyond our physics."
9:03So I and other physicists sort of dug
9:04into, you know, what could be
9:06responsible for this. And we actually
9:08found that just like we use so-called
9:11Maxwell's equations in electromagnetic
9:13stuff for everything we do in
9:15electromagnetics,
9:16we have Einstein's equations in general
9:18relativity for, you know, black holes
9:21and all that kind of stuff. It turns out
9:23if you could engineer those, you would
9:25actually get the same effects that
9:26people were observing with these UAP
9:29crafts. So we think we've come up with,
9:31you know, what it is about
9:33the science of it. It's just that we
9:35don't have the engineering to do it. Do
9:37you believe in UAPs?
9:39Absolutely believe in UAPs
9:41because [clears throat]
9:42I've been exposed to data about them.
9:45A more specific question would be, do
9:46you believe in aliens? Yeah, so a number
9:48of the people I interviewed went on the
9:50record
9:52stating that they know from their own
9:54personal experiences that there have
9:57been UAP crashes over the years that
9:59have been recovered by elements of the
10:02US government and in some cases the the
10:04crashed crafts had the bodies of
10:07non-humans in them.
10:09And numerous people I interviewed went
10:11on the record saying that. And keep in
10:14mind, everyone I interviewed only shared
10:16what they lawfully could. There was a
10:17line they couldn't cross. Everyone I
10:19interviewed is aware of classified
10:20information that they they can't talk
10:22about, but they went right up to the
10:23line and uh
10:25made it clear that there had been
10:27recoveries of non-human bodies. A couple
10:29people actually testified under oath to
10:31Congress saying the same thing. Why
10:33wouldn't they be able to talk about it
10:35publicly? Well, when you're involved in
10:36certain programs, uh you sign certain
10:38agreements that prevent you from sharing
10:41Right.
10:42>> specific information.
10:43>> programs and
10:45of course the big concern is, okay,
10:47whatever we might learn about these kind
10:49of craft and and so on, our adversaries
10:52are out there and probably been there
10:55been crashes in Russia, crashes in
10:57China.
10:58And so if we reveal what we're learning
11:00about the subject area and
11:03you know, said it publicly, then it it
11:05might help some potential adversary
11:08>> Yeah, a saying get a step get a step
11:10ahead. So, that's why it's all just kept
11:12really close end. So, a saying that I
11:15heard often from my interview subjects,
11:17you can't tell your friends without
11:18telling your enemies. Meaning, you can't
11:21tell the public what we know and don't
11:22know without also telling China and
11:24Russia what we know and don't know. And
11:26giving them that information might give
11:28them a competitive advantage. And the
11:31the obvious question anyone would ask
11:32when hearing that is then well okay, so
11:33what shifted? Why is Why is that no
11:35longer the leading thought secrecy is
11:37best? And the answer is because the US
11:40is in a really high stakes race, a
11:42technology race, against these
11:43adversaries to reverse engineer
11:45technology of non-human origin. And
11:49the secrecy around it in the US
11:52since the 40s has created a scenario
11:56where the scientific community and
11:57academia don't even know it's real. They
12:00don't even know it's a valid area of
12:01inquiry.
12:02>> Don't even believe it's real. I mean
12:04>> the smartest kids graduating MIT this
12:05year, they are not thinking that this is
12:07something they can put their brain power
12:08towards. So,
12:10coming back to the question, do you
12:11believe in aliens? I 100% believe that
12:14non-human intelligent life
12:16is here and has been here for a long
12:19time. When you say here, do you mean
12:21>> Earth. currently living amongst us?
12:22>> I don't know about the living amongst us
12:24part.
12:24>> that. I don't know about that, but
12:26>> Wouldn't rule it out, but I mean
12:27>> There is UAP activity being reported on
12:30a daily basis by commercial airlines
12:33pilot commercial airline pilots to the
12:34FAA,
12:35by Navy fighter pilots off the East
12:38Coast being reported, you know, up the
12:40military chain of command. And on top of
12:42that, regular activity over our nuclear
12:45weapon sites inside the United States.
12:48It's happening on a regular basis
12:50uh on the on on the nuclear sites and on
12:52a daily basis in commercial air travel
12:56space. UAP have come over nuclear
12:59missile sites and actually turned off
13:02the missiles.
13:03And so, you know, when something like
13:05that happens, you just got to take it
13:07seriously.
13:08>> And the the technology that they're
13:09displaying is technology that no humans
13:12have.
13:14And again, there has been some crashes
13:16and in those crashes there have been the
13:18bodies of non-humans. How do we know
13:20that? How do we know that in those
13:22crashes they've recovered bodies of
13:24non-humans? The whistleblowers basically
13:26coming forward from the government.
13:27>> So we So the basis of the that evidence
13:29is that some people have said it. At
13:32this point, until until
13:35previously classified information
13:38regarding crashes and is and recoveries
13:40is declassified,
13:41until it [clears throat] happens, the
13:42best we can hope for is credible people
13:45putting their reputation on the line to
13:46tell you this is what's been happening.
13:48Did someone during your process of
13:49making the documentary who had seen
13:52non-alien non-human life non-human
13:55intelligence tell you that? Yeah. Who
13:58was that? A number of people, but
14:00notably, you know,
14:02Jay Stratton who we just talked about.
14:03>> Yes, right.
14:04>> Who co-created, co-founded AATIP, and
14:06then became the director of the UAP Task
14:08Force, the largest whole of government
14:09investigation of UAP ever. What did he
14:11say? He went on the record in the film
14:14saying that he's seen non-human beings
14:16and non-human craft with his own eyes.
14:18That was the farthest he could go at
14:20that point. Why did he say he couldn't
14:21go further? Uh he he he he had a
14:24situation that he
14:26was involved in that um
14:29for a few reasons he wasn't he just
14:31wasn't comfortable talking about it yet,
14:32and some of it I think he just wanted to
14:34make sure he legally could. Now, going
14:36back to credibility, like take a guy
14:38like Jay saying that. When Jay retired a
14:40few years back, he was part of the
14:43senior executive services of the federal
14:44government. That's a level less than 1%
14:46of all federal employees ever reach. You
14:48know, it's equivalent of a two-star
14:49admiral or general. Um very very senior,
14:53very trusted. You know,
14:55cleared at a very high level.
14:57Um he had worked with naval intelligence
15:00in a senior capacity.
15:01Uh he had worked with the CIA. He had
15:03worked with the Defense Intelligence
15:04Agency as the head of aerospace warfare.
15:06It's a super serious, credible guy. And
15:10he's he's he's putting his reputation on
15:12the line to share this information
15:14um to the extent that he legally could
15:16and and comfortably could. And when you
15:18asked him why
15:21the world doesn't know this stuff in his
15:23view, what did he What would he say?
15:25There's a lot of reasons. I mean,
15:26certainly the, you know, the idea that
15:28we can't tell our friends without
15:29telling our enemies has been a driver.
15:32To just to recap the reasons for
15:33secrecy, I I I actually believe it it's
15:36better to kind of start from the
15:36beginning. When this When when in 1947,
15:40there was a crash at Roswell of
15:42non-human origin
15:43and uh yeah, RA uh RAAF captures flying
15:47saucer on ranch in Roswell region. Yeah.
15:49>> That's right. And then this is the image
15:50of their cover-up story trying to show
15:52weather ballooner. Yeah, so multiple
15:54people in my film go on the record
15:55saying the Roswell crash really
15:56happened. Uh technology of non-human
15:58origin and non-human bodies were
16:00recovered.
16:01Um if you put yourself in the shoes of
16:03the military and government at that
16:05point, like put yourself in Truman and,
16:06you know, Eisenhower's shoes, you're
16:08just coming out of World War II. The
16:10world was just chaos for a very long
16:11time. It's finally starting to settle
16:12down. You can't exactly step to the
16:14microphone and tell
16:16America that there's a new threat that
16:18we know nothing about and we can't
16:19protect you from. They're far advanced,
16:22you know,
16:23what what's the advantage of that? So,
16:24secrecy became the plan at that point
16:27and
16:28they had more questions than answers.
16:30So, everyone I've talked to gave me
16:32context explained that the the the the
16:35plan for secrecy went in motion there.
16:38Uh let's investigate. Let's find out
16:39more about what we don't know before we
16:41tell the American people. That was
16:43quickly followed by the Cold War era and
16:46we learned that Russia also had
16:47retrieved technology of non-human
16:49origin. And so, we knew we were in a
16:50technology race. So, then the idea of
16:53can't tell your friend without telling
16:54your enemy ruled the day. So, now the
16:56Cold War mentality, you know, led to
16:58more secrecy and as a security wrapper
17:01for this this program that it that it
17:02started, uh they created the stigma in
17:05the late '40s, early '50s. This cultural
17:07stigma, this idea that you're crazy if
17:09you look into this topic. You're wacky,
17:12you'll have your reputation ruined,
17:13you'll have your career ruined.
17:14>> actually to CIA meeting where people got
17:17together and said, "Okay, in order to
17:19not have people be pursuing this area,
17:22let's go out of our way to spread
17:24what we would call now disinformation
17:27about this
17:27>> very basically the most effective
17:28disinformation campaign in the history
17:30of the US government because it got into
17:32our culture, some movies were funded
17:34that made aliens seem silly, and the
17:35idea of life from elsewhere seemed
17:37ridiculous, and that compounded over the
17:39years, and then we got to the point
17:41where where we were like, you know, just
17:44just like few years ago, where the
17:46average person just thinks it's not
17:47real. You know, the average scientist,
17:49academia, Yeah. you know, they think
17:51it's conspiracy stuff, it's nonsense,
17:53it's silly. Um there was no advantage
17:55for elected leaders to get in front of
17:57this or for military members to, you
18:00know, speak up about what they learned
18:01or saw. It would be a career ruiner.
18:03Um
18:04and uh that started to shift uh several
18:08years back when Jay Stratton
18:12and Jim McCaslin when they put together
18:13AATIP in 2010, and they started to go
18:17out there and collect data
18:20um and get evidence, and they started to
18:22actually share it with the Senate
18:23Intelligence Committee and the Senate
18:25Armed Services Committee, and looking at
18:28classified data in a classified setting,
18:29people like Marco Rubio, who was the
18:31vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence
18:32Committee at the time, started to
18:33realize,
18:34Yeah, so there's something here.
18:36>> Not only is there something here, but
18:37we've got a problem, right? There's a
18:38lot of a lot of UAP activity over these
18:41highly classified sites like our nuclear
18:43weapons sites. There's a lot at stake.
18:45We are in this, you know, race with
18:47other nations, and the stigma has
18:49created a disadvantage for us.
18:52It's very hard to win a technology race
18:53when the majority of your scientists
18:55don't know it's a valid area of inquiry,
18:56right?
18:58And do people think that there's one
18:59type of non-human intelligence that's
19:02visiting the earth, or is there many,
19:03many types?
19:04>> People who have been involved in
19:05recoveries have said
19:07>> least four types, four separate types.
19:10Now, I have not had direct access to
19:12that, but I I I believe the people who I
19:15talked to. Four different types of life.
19:17Four different types of life, at least.
19:20And the people
19:21I've talked through to, you know,
19:23through the process of making the
19:24documentary, both on camera and
19:26off-the-record sources,
19:28and the people I also talked to over the
19:30decades have said that there are there
19:32have been dozens of recoveries of
19:34crashed craft in the US alone. Dozens of
19:37craft of non-human origin
19:40that either crashed organically or
19:42caused to crash
19:43and then recovered. And have you spoken
19:45to people who You talked about Jay. Have
19:48you spoken to other people that have
19:49worked on these
19:51crashed crafts? I've talked I've talked
19:53off the record with some people who are
19:55involved in recoveries. They would not
19:57go on camera to do interviews.
19:59Special forces people that would not go
20:01on camera do interviews. One I actually
20:03thought I've I've mentioned this in
20:05another interview, but um one I thought
20:07was going to do an interview and then a
20:08couple days before sent me a message
20:11saying, "After further consideration and
20:13long talks with my wife, I decided I'd
20:15be forfeiting my life if I participated
20:17in your interview."
20:18And I thought that was like very un-
20:21very unsettling message to get,
20:22obviously, but also very specific word
20:24choice, you know, "forfeiting my life."
20:26What did he know? He was a special very
20:29senior special forces guy who
20:31had told me he had been involved in
20:33multiple recoveries.
20:34That's what he told me.
20:35Okay.
20:37And I met him through uh some high-level
20:40intelligence people.
20:41Early on in my process, I got connected
20:44with the Senate Intelligence Committee
20:46and the Senate Armed Services Committee,
20:48and they had on their own learned the
20:50reality of the situation through the
20:53work of ASAP and then ATIP and then the
20:56UAP Task Force and through their own
20:59their own intelligence channels. Leaders
21:02on those committees wanted to educate
21:04the public about what they could
21:06lawfully about this, but they didn't
21:08really have a way to do it. It's such a
21:10complicated situation. It takes a while
21:13to explain it. You can't do it in like a
21:156-minute news hit on Fox or CNN or even
21:17like a 15-minute 60-minute segment. You
21:20just can't do it. And no one wanted to
21:22be the one guy trying to do it. So,
21:25when I started putting together the film
21:27and socializing this safe way for people
21:29to step forward, it also quickly became
21:32those people's plan for disclosure.
21:34That's why Senator Rubio participated.
21:37That's why White House National Security
21:38Council members participated. It became
21:40amongst the group of people who had
21:41learned the truth, it became
21:44the plan for disclosure, the way to
21:45bring this information out in a
21:47thoughtful
21:48way. Do the presidents of the United
21:51States
21:52know about this stuff? Are they aware?
21:54>> Historically, no. Historically
21:55>> Yeah, and even Rubio says on camera
21:57that, you know, historically, this has
22:00been kept from even sitting presidents.
22:03Who would know then? So,
22:05a number of the people in my film break
22:06down um who's involved in legacy
22:09program.
22:11Now, sim- just to put it simply, it's
22:13elements of the CIA, elements of the Air
22:15Force, elements of the Department of
22:17Energy, and a few major defense
22:19contractors. And they have the ability
22:22to access information from a number of
22:24federal agencies and branches of the
22:25military, but the the primary leaders of
22:28this program are the CIA, the Air Force,
22:30the Department of Energy, and major
22:31defense contractors. And Rubio breaks
22:33down in the film the way our bureaucracy
22:35works, um
22:37you could have
22:38career bureaucrats in positions of power
22:41at those organizations for decades,
22:44and they can just wait out sitting
22:45presidents. They can wait out sitting
22:48senators.
22:48>> presidents as just temporary help.
22:51They're going to come and go. And that's
22:52what's been happening up until this
22:55point now. So, the fact that Rubio had
22:58learned so much about the reality of the
23:00the and the extent of the cover-up, and
23:02then ended up arguably the second most
23:04powerful guy in the world as our
23:05Secretary of State and our National
23:06Security Advisor at the same time,
23:08which has only happened once in US
23:09history, Henry Kissinger for 2 years. No
23:12one else has ever had both those jobs at
23:13the same time. The fact that he ended up
23:15in that position of power and influence
23:18after learning the reality of the
23:19situation, and right as the age of
23:22disclosure is coming out and driving
23:23this national conversation,
23:25it really led to the current President
23:28Trump being informed about this in a way
23:30that no president has in a very long
23:32time. So, are you saying that the United
23:34States don't think the public are ready
23:36to even know that this exists? Because,
23:39you know, they could tell us that they
23:41have recovered UAPs or aliens, whatever
23:44it might be, without telling us about
23:46the technology. They could, and I think
23:48we're going to get to that point.
23:49>> Yeah, I think that they were trapped in
23:51in the system that had that had grown
23:53up, and uh people behind the scenes
23:56working in the classified programs said,
23:59"Well, you know, we don't know how the
24:00public is going to respond, so let's be
24:03safe, and let's let's just keep it
24:05in-house." Do you think Trump believes
24:07that there are aliens? Cuz I I was
24:09looking at some of his quotes, and he
24:10said, "Well, I don't know if they're
24:12real or not. I don't have an opinion on
24:14it. I never talk about it. A lot of
24:16people do. A lot of people believe it."
24:18Barack Obama said that aliens are real.
24:22Well, he ain't supposed to provide
24:23information. He's not supposed to be
24:25doing that. So, aliens are real? No, I
24:27don't I don't have an opinion on it. I
24:29never talk about it. A lot of people do.
24:32A lot of people believe it.
24:34So, you believe it, Greer? Uh well, if
24:36the president can declassify anything
24:38that he wants to, so if he wants to make
24:39an announcement I may get him out of
24:41trouble by declassifying. One of the
24:43things that came out in the age of
24:44disclosure
24:46is that
24:48during Trump's first administration,
24:51his cabinet was briefed by the UAP Task
24:54Force, by Jay Stratton. And
24:57when he briefed them
24:58uh he was told that they had asked for
25:01this briefing
25:02because they needed to be able to
25:03evaluate what the repercussions would be
25:05if Trump decided to step to the
25:06microphone and tell the world we're not
25:08alone in the universe. Obviously, he
25:10didn't end up deciding to do that then.
25:12However, in this new administration
25:15he's got Rubio
25:17in the position of Secretary of State
25:18and National Security Advisor and fully
25:20aware of the situation and that has
25:23given him the comfort to put this this
25:24process in motion. There's certainly a
25:26disclosure process unfolding right now.
25:28Obama said in an interview that he did
25:30with Brian Tyler Cohen
25:32when asked about aliens, Obama said,
25:35"They're real, but I haven't seen them.
25:37They're not being kept at Area 51.
25:39There's no underground facility unless
25:41there's this enormous conspiracy and
25:43they hid it from the President of the
25:44United States." Now, that sounded to me
25:46like kind of sarcasm when he said
25:48they're real, but and then explained all
25:49that they're not real.
25:50They're real, but I haven't seen them
25:52and and and uh they're not being kept in
25:55uh Area 51. Uh there there's no
25:57underground uh facility unless there's
26:01this enormous conspiracy and they they
26:04hid it from the President of the United
26:06States.
26:07So, it would appear to me that Obama
26:09also doesn't know of any aliens. I think
26:12Obama was largely kept in the dark. I
26:15think he does know that the base fact
26:17that we're not alone in the universe and
26:18I actually think when he said they're
26:19real, I think he was being that was just
26:22candid.
26:23>> honest.
26:23>> That was his honest, candid, genuine
26:25statement. I think when he then said
26:27they're not kept at Area 51 I think he's
26:29also being honest cuz none of my sources
26:32say that say that UAP and aliens are
26:34being kept at Area 51. They're being
26:35kept somewhere else.
26:37Um
26:37so, I think he was being honest there
26:40and I think when he made the comment of
26:42uh unless there's a giant conspiracy, if
26:44you watch the tape, he like sips his cup
26:46and raises his eyebrows as he said. He
26:48thinks
26:48he knows there's a giant conspiracy.
26:50That's the truth. The following day uh
26:52Trump was asked about that on Air Force
26:54One and he responded saying Obama
26:57revealed classified information and he
26:58shouldn't have said that. And um
27:02I think that's the truth. Yeah. I think
27:04presidents don't don't know when they're
27:05and they're told not to talk about it.
27:07Trump has started to release a lot of
27:09classified information around UAP and
27:11aliens. The first batch of that was
27:13released a couple of days ago. What
27:15exactly is inside this report? There was
27:19a number of files, reports,
27:22video, and
27:24still images that were declassified.
27:27This is information that previously had
27:29been classified or just never really
27:32made public.
27:34This was just the first tranche of what
27:38has been what will be released.
27:40The most notable piece of evidence in
27:42there is an image, a still image, from
27:45the 1972 Apollo mission. It's an image
27:47of a triangle,
27:49seemingly triangle-shaped craft,
27:51hovering above the moon and above the
27:53astronauts. And the image was taken from
27:56the from the lunar module. And
27:59you know, the UAP task force looked into
28:01this image years ago and determined it
28:04was real. That seems to be the most
28:06glaring piece of evidence in this this
28:08tranche. But I will say this, Hal and I
28:10both have the same a lot of the same
28:11sources of information and
28:15everyone we've talked to at various
28:16federal agencies has told us that
28:19when the president gave this directive
28:20in middle of February for federal
28:22agencies to declassify evidence of
28:23non-human intelligent life and UAP,
28:26only a few
28:28engaged with it. They only gave a small
28:31percent of what they have.
28:33And they only had a couple weeks to do
28:34it.
28:35>> Mhm. One of the things I I think I've
28:36always struggled with with the idea of
28:38these kind of conspiracies um
28:41is that I don't know why that
28:42information would necessarily fall into
28:46the hands of like government officials
28:48because, you know, alien life forms or
28:49UAPs would be
28:51visible and would land in anyone's back
28:53garden. So, you would you could imagine
28:55a world, especially in a world where we
28:56have, I don't know, like 8 billion
28:57iPhones roaming around. Can imagine a
29:00world where if there was some kind of
29:01UAP crash in my garden, it would be on
29:04TikTok within 5 minutes. Yeah. Or if
29:06there really was
29:07>> Someone got there with an iPhone. You're
29:08right. You know, there was that incident
29:11earlier in the year with those with were
29:12they drones in in America flying
29:14>> Jersey. Jersey Jersey Jersey Jersey And
29:16that was on social media within minutes
29:18and everyone was talking about it and
29:19looking at what they were. I don't know,
29:21I think in the modern world because we
29:22have so many ways to capture
29:24high-quality video, if there was
29:26something out there, we would have seen
29:29a very clear image of this thing by now.
29:32>> Well, there's a lot That's why there
29:33there's a lot that came out in these
29:35files because over the years our sensor
29:37systems that the pilots have in their
29:39planes have gotten so much better.
29:42They've captured, really,
29:44a small amount. Does this life want to
29:46be seen? Do these aliens want us to know
29:48that they're I'd have to assume that
29:50given the level of quality of their
29:53technology, if they didn't want to be
29:54seen, we we wouldn't be seeing them.
29:57So, it seems like I would say there's
29:59evidence that, for whatever reason,
30:01they're they're they're wanting to be
30:03seen. But also like I my personal
30:05opinion is that if someone answers that
30:08question, they're answering it through
30:10the lens of like how humans think,
30:12right?
30:13For all we know,
30:14you know, we're we're ants to them. You
30:17know, you don't hide from the ants. You
30:18walk around them. You don't even But you
30:19also don't pay attention to them, you
30:21know? Based on their behavior from the
30:22interviews you've done,
30:25how do you think they view us? I I
30:27honestly feel like the dynamic is, you
30:30know, we are very very far below them on
30:33the food chain. You know, Hal makes an
30:35analogy in the film. He says, "The ants
30:37in your
30:39tree line in your backyard, they could
30:40be there for generations. You never
30:42think about them, you walk around them,
30:44you don't you're not hiding from them,
30:46but like they're there and you don't
30:47really care, right? But what happens if
30:49they evolve one day and out of nowhere
30:51they figured out how to get into your
30:53house and they beelined under your under
30:55your door and they're in your living
30:56room, right? We might have evolved
30:59technologically over the last 80 years
31:01since we cracked the atom so quickly
31:03that we're now, you know, the equivalent
31:05of the ants showing up in their living
31:07room. Like all of a sudden
31:09>> All of a sudden this warring species,
31:11this violent species, humans, you know,
31:14um
31:15we have we we progressed so quickly. We
31:17went from no real technological progress
31:20progress for a very long time to
31:22cracking the atom and then figuring out
31:23nuclear technology and then continuing
31:25to increase, you know, our our nuclear
31:27technology development.
31:29And, you know, we have this program that
31:32has been retrieving their crashed craft
31:34and trying to reverse engineer them. So,
31:36we might be at that point where we're
31:38about to do what they do and all of a
31:40sudden we are a problem. Um that might
31:43be the explanation of why they pay so
31:45much attention to our nuclear process.
31:47You know, there's a lot of UAP activity
31:49not only at the nuclear weapon sites all
31:51over the world, but um
31:54uh sites involved in the process, the
31:55nuclear process, like uranium mines or
31:58refineries. Is it you know
32:00>> It might just be we've [clears throat]
32:00gotten to the point where all of a
32:01sudden they have they have to
32:05In uh in the Soviet Union, uh
32:08the UAP came over and actually started
32:11a launch of the Russian missiles.
32:14I mean, they actually forced the system
32:17to start into a countdown process.
32:18>> know that?
32:20By the intelligence community's
32:23uh access to information about it.
32:25Every person we spoke to in Belorac of
32:27each has said they saw a flying saucer
32:29on that day.
32:31For hours it hovered over the nearby
32:33ballistic missile base. No No had
32:35touched any buttons. No one had entered
32:37any codes. And yet, as the UFO hovered
32:40over the base, the control panel showed
32:42the missiles were preparing to launch.
32:45For 15 agonizing seconds, the base lost
32:48control of its nuclear weapons.
32:51Logically, I would think that unusual
32:53activity would happen
32:56around consequential sites. Yes. You
32:58know, I'd be more surprised if there was
33:00really frequent unusual activity
33:02happening in my back garden, for
33:03example. But, around highly
33:06consequential sites, one would expect
33:08there to be
33:09people flying things around there,
33:10spying. You know what people are like
33:11with cameras these days. They want to
33:13take photos of anything interesting.
33:14They They hang around police stations
33:15and army barracks. Right. Right. So,
33:17logically, I would assume that there
33:18would be an an increased probability of
33:20strange activity in the sky above a
33:22nuclear site. Well, in fact, there was a
33:25group of people in the intelligence
33:26community who who recognized exactly
33:28what you're saying. And so, they decided
33:31to, you know, make an attractive magnet
33:34by getting a whole lot of nuclear
33:37assets in in one location to see if that
33:40would draw them in. And my understanding
33:43it was successful.
33:44So, you know, our nation and other
33:46nations have figured out circumstances
33:48that can, for lack of a better term,
33:51bait UAP. Right. Right. Um
33:53a certain level of nuclear footprint in
33:56a in a small radius
33:58tends to attract them.
34:00And um
34:01our nation figured that out a long time
34:03ago, and and so did other nations. One
34:05of the things that I I thought about is
34:07I know I know very little about physics,
34:08but I know one thing I know is how big
34:10the universe is.
34:12Now, I'm quite a big fan of SpaceX. I'm
34:13actually invested in the company. And um
34:16from my fascination with space, I've
34:18learned just how big the universe is,
34:20and how long it would take us to travel
34:21from,
34:22I don't know, Earth to the nearest uh
34:24galaxy. The closest star system to us,
34:27which is called Alpha Centauri, Mhm.
34:29Alpha Centauri, right. is over four
34:32light years away, which is about 40 24
34:35trillion miles.
34:36>> Mhm.
34:38If we traveled at the impossible 10% of
34:41the speed of light, which is impossible,
34:43currently impossible, it would take a
34:44ship 40 years to get there. Now,
34:47fortunately, what we learned in looking
34:50at what might be the underlying physics
34:52and using Einstein's theory of general
34:54relativity, it turns out that there are
34:56ways of modifying the effective speed of
34:59light to make it much higher.
35:02Or much lower. So, you you you can do
35:05that. So, So, when you get into
35:07potentially modifying
35:09what we call the space-time metric,
35:11you could get to a point where you can
35:13make wormholes and warp drives, and
35:17those are things that are not off the
35:19charts. I mean, they're actually
35:20textbooks by general relativity experts
35:23on on the fact that you could
35:24re-engineer the space-time
35:26>> So, you're not saying So, you could do
35:27it. You could get from here to there.
35:30But, you're not saying you would travel
35:31in like a like a a a line like you do in
35:34a plane, right?
35:35>> Well, you could. You You could. It It If
35:37If you arrange for the effective speed
35:40of light in that line to be
35:44much higher, then without breaking the
35:45speed of light, you can zoom over there
35:48very quickly. So, you even even in in in
35:51the straight line uh
35:53But, no no one at the moment knows how
35:55to do that on Earth.
35:57I think I think
35:58>> write the equations and see how it
36:00doesn't violate our physics equations,
36:02but we don't have the
36:04uh engineering capabilities. So, we
36:07figured out basically we figured out
36:09like how these how these craft are
36:11operating, the theory of it, but we
36:14don't have the material sciences right
36:15to exactly to replicate it. What I'm
36:17pointing out is if you travel at that
36:18speed across the universe, if you even
36:20hit I don't know
36:22an object the size of a pebble, it would
36:24be like a nuclear explosion. Yeah, but
36:26thing is, when you're modifying uh
36:29it's sort of like making like like a
36:31surfer wave on
36:34you know at the seashore, you you
36:36arrange to have space moving ahead like
36:39that. So, you come up to a rock, it's
36:41just going to push it aside. So, so
36:44>> engineer that. This is how I've wrapped
36:45my head around it. Essentially, they're
36:47they're warping space-time in a
36:49localized area. They're creating immense
36:50amount of energy around the craft and it
36:53creates essentially a bubble around the
36:55craft. And that bubble separates the
36:57craft from the environment around it.
36:59So, the environment has no no impact on
37:02the craft. That's why we see transmedium
37:04travel like a craft going, you know,
37:06smooth from space to air to the water
37:08without even a splash. The environment
37:11around the bubble has no bearing on the
37:14craft inside it. And the craft inside it
37:16is in its own space-time.
37:18And once you wrap your head around that,
37:20then things like interstellar travel
37:22become totally possible.
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39:28One of the paradoxes with this is they
39:29appear to be such so advanced in their
39:32physics
39:33and their technology, if I could call it
39:36that, but at the same time they seem to
39:37be crashing a lot. Which is a bit of a
39:40paradox, isn't Actually, [clears throat]
39:41some of them have not crashed but have
39:44been
39:45simply left in the desert.
39:48Sort of like a gift or a donation. We're
39:51still trying to figure that out. So I
39:53mean some of them do do do crash and and
39:56it can have maybe some of our
39:58electromagnetic pulsing and laser
40:00pulsing can interfere with their
40:02technology and and and and you might get
40:04a crash. Why why don't you Why do you
40:06think another country hasn't come
40:08forward with
40:09similar disclosures and similar
40:11evidence? I actually think there's a
40:13really simple answer for that. I think
40:15our allies follow the US's lead. Right.
40:18And I think our adversaries,
40:21primarily China and Russia, have no
40:23reason to go public.
40:25They don't have the same sort of
40:26societies and dynamics. Like Xi can do
40:29what he wants anyway. What's What's the
40:31advantage to him?
40:32Same thing with Putin. You know, there
40:34is no advantage. And when you look at it
40:36that way, you really quickly get to the,
40:38you know,
40:39this is the way it is for that reason.
40:41They did a study in 2026 and found that
40:4345 planets are likely capable of
40:45supporting life.
40:47They call this the habitable zone out of
40:49more than 6,000 planets discovered so
40:52far by NASA. Mhm. Um there are
40:54approximately a trillion galaxies in the
40:56universe and within these galaxies
40:58100,000 planets could potentially host
41:01life according to Oxford University.
41:03Now, I believe that if you think about
41:05the entire universe,
41:08I believe that we're not the only life
41:10in the universe. Yes, right. I think
41:12that's I mean I think that's a very
41:13scientific conclusion. Probabilistically
41:16it would be pretty incredible if we
41:17were. I mean, it'd be just it's almost
41:19inconceivable that we are. The question
41:21of whether that life has been here is a
41:23question that for me is still a big
41:24question mark.
41:26Because I just, you know, I also I think
41:28Elon, you know, whatever you think about
41:30Elon, he is someone that seems to just
41:32say what he thinks.
41:33And this is part of what's caused his
41:35companies a lot of problems. He seems to
41:36be pretty unfiltered. He has been asked
41:39multiple times as well if he believes
41:40that they are there are aliens in the in
41:43in our galaxy and he has said on
41:45multiple occasions that he doesn't
41:47believe that to be the case. And you
41:48know, he's launching rockets all the
41:49time. So, he said, I heard him say, "If
41:51anyone should know, it should be me."
41:54You do think he knows?
41:56I think that you can't operate in space
42:00at at at the level he does or operate as
42:03a contractor at the level he does
42:06um
42:07without having clearances that require
42:10secrecy. You know, there's
42:12there's there's all kinds of
42:14uh uh levels of secrecy. You know,
42:16there's Everyone knows the word
42:17classified, right? There's classified
42:18projects, but there's also black
42:20projects that are unacknowledged special
42:22access programs where you literally by
42:25law required
42:27to not acknowledge the existence of the
42:29program or anything it does. That's
42:31literally the the Anything it knows.
42:32Yeah. That's literally the whole They're
42:34They're literally referred to as
42:35unacknowledged special access programs.
42:37That would be his team as well, wouldn't
42:39So, if you're involved with an
42:40unacknowledged special access program,
42:42if someone asks you about it,
42:43you you have to say you have no idea
42:45what they're talking about. And all of
42:46his team.
42:47If if they are a part of the program,
42:49yeah.
42:50But just because someone's um read it on
42:52an unacknowledged special access program
42:55doesn't mean all their employees are.
42:57Elon said um that we have 9,000
42:59satellites up there. He's referring to
43:01his company Starlink, and not once have
43:02we had to maneuver around an alien
43:04spaceship. He argues that if aliens were
43:06constantly visiting Earth, the aerospace
43:08experts who watch these guys every day
43:10would be the first to know. Well, look,
43:13NASA also has said for decades that they
43:15have no evidence
43:16of extraterrestrial [laughter]
43:18life or UAPs, and last Friday the
43:21federal government released a photo of a
43:22triangle craft hovering over the 1972
43:24Apollo space mission. So, somebody's
43:26somebody's not being honest.
43:28Right. You know, which also implies a
43:30lot of other people know things that
43:32they haven't revealed.
43:34I think I've heard you say before how
43:35that you think
43:37this intelligent life actually exists
43:39amongst us. Yeah, I I The quote was
43:41they are not occasional visitors. They
43:43live secretly alongside humans, but with
43:45advanced technology. We have so many
43:47sightings and so many uh
43:50even access to materials and so on.
43:54I mean, they're all over the place. 65%
43:56of Americans believe intelligent life
43:58exists on other planets. 40% of people
44:00say military reported UFOs are probably
44:02evidence of extraterrestrial life,
44:05according to Pew Research. And 30% of
44:06Americans believe UFOs or unidentified
44:08flying objects are probably alien ships
44:10of life form. And 47% of Americans
44:13believe aliens have definitely or
44:14probably visited Earth at some point,
44:16according to YouGov. Half of Americans
44:19believe that UFOs
44:22{slash} aliens have definitely or
44:24probably visited life at some point.
44:27Mhm. Quite a lot of people.
44:28>> Well, you see you see you see the the
44:30Age of Disclosure film and the people
44:33that came forward. I mean, you had
44:35Clapper, ex uh
44:37head of the office of Director of
44:39National Intelligence and Senator Rubio
44:41at the time, now in his elevated
44:44position and so on.
44:46You now have people of real quality and
44:49you know they're not lying. And they're
44:52coming forth and saying, "This is real
44:54and we got to deal with it. And there's
44:57a lot we don't know about it." Could you
44:59be wrong?
45:01Um I don't think it's about
45:02[clears throat] whether I'm wrong or how
45:04strong. You'd have to believe that
45:07senior leadership across the government,
45:10the military, the intelligence community
45:12that has access to classified
45:14information
45:15and is saying, "Based on the classified
45:17information they have seen, this is a
45:18real situation." You'd have to believe
45:20all of those people are lying for some
45:22bizarre unexplained reason.
45:25So, I find that hard to believe.
45:27Could it be the case that all of those
45:29people were misinterpreting what they
45:31were seeing?
45:32They they saw something, you know, if
45:34at flight altitude they saw something
45:35moving in their visors when they're up
45:37in space.
45:39Not really, because
45:40>> No, no, I mean, in some cases that could
45:42be the case, but then when you have
45:44actual materials, crashed craft,
45:47bodies that aren't
45:49human. Also, a lot of these sightings um
45:53they're now in the process of the White
45:55House, cabinet members are in the
45:57process of
45:59identifying where the evidence exists
46:01within federal agencies and the military
46:03so they can get access to it themselves
46:06and then determine from there what can
46:08safely be shared with the public. I
46:10think once they get their hands on more
46:12evidence, then a plan would put in place
46:15for telling the world this conclusion. I
46:17think we're we're it's like
46:19>> We're close.
46:19>> Fait accompli basically. Like it's going
46:21to get to that point relatively soon. If
46:23we get to that point and you get
46:24personally invited in to wherever
46:26they're keeping the these materials and
46:28you get to see every single file that
46:29exists and as you go through those files
46:31you realize that
46:34a lot of what you've been told is not
46:35true because there's other explanations.
46:38How would it like fundamentally change
46:39the way that you see the world?
46:42Some of some of the UAP we've seen like
46:44take the famous everybody knows the Tic
46:46Tac UFO, right? The Commander David
46:48Fravor, the Navy fighter pilot,
46:50interacted with in 2004, right?
46:52>> I'll put that on the screen for anyone
46:53that hasn't seen it. Great. And so take
46:55that take that UAP for example.
46:58Multiple data collection systems and
47:00Commander David Fravor, a legend in the
47:02in the Navy, Top Gun guy, commander of
47:05an entire naval strike group, right?
47:07Like total badass, legend legend of a
47:11guy.
47:12He sees this with his own eyes and a
47:14bunch of data collection systems
47:15captured data confirming it's real. This
47:17UAP went from hovering above the ocean
47:20to instantly being at 80,000 ft which is
47:23the entrance to space, right? And it did
47:25that maneuver all afternoon.
47:28The amount of energy required to do that
47:30is so bonkers.
47:33It's we do not humans do No human beings
47:35have the ability to create that must
47:37that much energy, right? In a localized
47:38area for for an aircraft.
47:41And and so
47:43to answer your question, if we find out
47:46you know
47:47the unthinkable, that this is not
47:48non-human intelligent life, that some
47:51humans have figured out how to crack
47:52that technology
47:54and did it as recent as 2004 when the
47:56Tic Tac incident happened.
47:58That would
48:00be even more mind-blowing than
48:04accepting that life from elsewhere is
48:06here and has been here a long time
48:07because that would mean that some some
48:09group of humans leapfrogged the rest of
48:12all of humanity technologically by
48:15thousands of years and then seemingly
48:18did nothing with that. Or it could be
48:20something else. That's the nature of
48:22unusual things. They become great
48:23stories. So I I think in the case of the
48:25Tic Tac incident, again, I'm what I'm
48:26trying to do is interrogate this from
48:29all angles. Is could it have been
48:31something else?
48:33Could it be Any any isolated event like
48:35that you could do the whole could it be
48:37this, could it be that thing, but it's
48:38the it's the you got to take a step back
48:40and look at this the collective. It's
48:42one report like that after another from
48:44credible people since World War II.
48:48You know, during World War II pilots
48:49were seeing what they called the Foo
48:50Fighters, like these orbs that would
48:53move alongside uh our our fighter jets,
48:56right? Like they would like they would
48:58move in in line with them.
49:00Um And now we have we have people on
49:03ships seeing these things enter the
49:05water and then moving at, you know,
49:07Impossible speeds.
49:08>> knots or something, which no no human
49:12being could could do that.
49:12>> as I know, our fastest submarines go
49:14like 50 miles an hour. These things are
49:16going hundreds of miles an hour under
49:17the ocean. So these craft are
49:19transmedium. They're seen in space,
49:21they're seen in the air, they're seen
49:23underwater.
49:24There's just too much activity to to
49:26ignore. Yeah, and and that would be a
49:28hard one to say, "Well, you know, is
49:30there some sonar thing that makes you
49:32think something is doing that?" But it's
49:34seen enough times under enough different
49:36conditions that we just have to accept
49:38it as real. Is there a reason why this
49:41hasn't been captured on like an iPhone?
49:43When like in 4K? There's been a lot of
49:46stuff captured on phones and video
49:48cameras. In in that scene in the Age of
49:50Disclosure I mentioned where Hal and
49:51some of the other people break down how
49:53these things are working and they
49:54describe that they're creating a a warp
49:55bubble around the craft. That warp
49:57bubble also makes it very hard to get a
50:00clear video of something cuz you're
50:02you're taking a photo or a video
50:04through
50:05essentially a space-time barrier, you
50:07know?
50:07>> barrier.
50:08>> the equivalent of taking pictures of
50:11trying to take video of like koi fish in
50:13a pond from above the water. It's going
50:14to look all distorted cuz you're going
50:16through the water.
50:17If you're if you're trying to video or
50:19take a photo through a
50:20this bubble, it makes it pretty hard.
50:22And then you end up with the kind of
50:23videos we we see.
50:25Um you'll probably be familiar with this
50:26NASA report that they produced on UAPs,
50:29independent study team report where they
50:31they essentially say that they don't
50:32believe that this
50:34these UAPs are are aliens. Why would
50:37NASA be lying? Like all these big
50:39bureaucracies, there's people who are
50:41aware of the truth and then there's
50:42people who
50:44have the truth kept from them. Or, you
50:45know, one of the people I interviewed
50:47was Mike Mike Gold who was on the UAP uh
50:50the NASA UAP task force. And he talked
50:53about um how that
50:56effort was was was flawed from the
50:59start. They didn't want to have a result
51:01that said NASA has all this information
51:03that they've kept from the public. They
51:05wanted the result that that they landed
51:07on, which is there's nothing to see
51:08here. And they were really discouraged
51:10from um for example, the uh that that
51:13image of a triangle
51:15what clearly appears to be a triangle
51:16craft over the moon, um
51:18they were told not to not to include
51:21that in their report.
51:23Like they were they they they were not
51:25set up to tell the world the truth.
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51:46In your view, is it possible that aliens
51:50aren't
51:51aren't real? Is it possible?
51:54Possible.
51:55>> I think I'm missing the question.
51:57So, you think it's impossible?
51:58>> Yeah, using the term alien, you know,
52:00has a certain connotation about it. So,
52:02we can certainly say, I mean, that the
52:04evidence is absolutely clear that there
52:06is some form of life with advanced
52:08technology. You know, if you want to
52:10say, "Well, what can I prove about about
52:13it?" Well, that those are still unknowns
52:15that we're trying to suss out.
52:18I got access at a very high to a very
52:20high level of the government, the
52:22military intelligence community. And
52:23there were a lot of people who talked to
52:24me off the record that wouldn't go on
52:26camera. There were a lot of people who
52:29couldn't tell me about classified
52:30information. I didn't want to know
52:31classified information.
52:33But, they all made it very clear, um,
52:36not just on camera, but off the record,
52:38that there that there is evidence at a
52:40classified level that is clear as day,
52:43like some video taken when like the
52:45bubble is turned off and you can see a
52:48a craft of non-human origin clear as
52:50day. And there is evidence of the
52:53technology that's been recovered and of
52:55these bodies. And when you have when if
52:56you put yourself in my shoes, when you
52:58have so many senior people across the
53:00military, government intelligence
53:01community telling you this, it's it's
53:03really just impossible to ignore it,
53:05especially when most of them aren't even
53:06friends. They're not like ideologically
53:08aligned or politically aligned. They're
53:10all just different groups of people. I'm
53:12less compelled by eyewitnesses. This is
53:14the problem cuz you know, I'm such a big
53:15true crime fan.
53:17>> [laughter]
53:17>> I hear about all the bloody cases where
53:18eyewitnesses said this and then they
53:20find out the serial killer wasn't that
53:21person or that thing didn't happen. So,
53:23and I also just have my own experiences
53:25of like thinking I saw things when I was
53:26younger. Here's an interesting thing you
53:28just made me think of. So, in the film,
53:30uh, Rubio and General Jim Clapper, two
53:32people who are completely ideologically
53:35and politically opposed to each other,
53:37made the same
53:38really intelligent point.
53:41And they both have knowledge at a a
53:43classified level of the situation.
53:46They both said
53:47a problem we
53:49as humans have
53:50is that there's something in the human
53:52psyche that says, I cannot wrap my head
53:55around or prepare for things I haven't
53:58seen or experienced, right? And time and
54:01time again throughout history
54:03that has proven to be like a human flaw,
54:05right? Rubio goes on to say that the
54:08greatest intelligence failures in US
54:10history
54:11come from a lack of imagination. And he
54:13cites a few examples. He says, we never
54:16would have imagined the Japanese could
54:19figure out how to get torpedoes through
54:20the straits and hit us at Pearl Harbor
54:22until they did. Um he says we never
54:25would have imagined terrorists would fly
54:27to the homeland, learn to fly commercial
54:30planes and then use them in a terrorist
54:31attack until they did, right? Um he says
54:34some other examples, too. But time and
54:36time again, not wrapping our head around
54:38a set of circumstances that and using
54:40our imagination to think about what
54:41might happen or what might be happening
54:44has it's bit us in the ass. And he he
54:46ends his line of thought by saying lack
54:48of imagination leads to strategic
54:50surprise like Pearl Harbor, like 9/11.
54:52And sometimes strategic surprise changes
54:54the course of history. Mhm. And so
54:57you know, him and and other people I
54:58interviewed think it's really important
55:00to get ahead of this as opposed to
55:02waiting for something to happen. As
55:03opposed to waiting for, you know, to
55:05find out the hard way that China, you
55:07know, cracked this technology before us
55:08and used it as in an act of war or uh
55:12non-human intelligent life uh does
55:14something unpredictable and then all of
55:16a sudden the US government's on its
55:18heels and so are other governments on
55:20their heels explaining to the public
55:21what they've known for a long time. I
55:23I've often heard that the reason why
55:24they don't tell the general public that
55:26these things exist is because the
55:27general public aren't ready for this
55:29information.
55:31Is that an argument? I've not really
55:33heard you guys say that.
55:34>> Yeah, no, people there are people
55:35involved in
55:37gatekeeping this information that don't
55:39think the public can handle the truth.
55:40Uh you know, Hal recently told me that
55:42people in the legacy program are
55:43pointing to the Age of Disclosure and
55:45saying, "Look, this film reveals a lot
55:47and people aren't losing their you
55:50know? People aren't jumping out of
55:51windows. It's not causing chaos in
55:52society." Like the public can handle the
55:55base facts. Of all the things you've
55:57heard, Dan, what is the What was the
55:59most compelling story or anecdote that
56:00you heard that convinced you?
56:02It was really just the sheer number of
56:05very high-level military government
56:07intelligence officials who were telling
56:09me in in private settings to my face,
56:12you know,
56:13that at a classified level they know
56:16with absolute certainty this is real.
56:18But if you had to pick one story? Oh, I
56:20mean, it's really it's really
56:22it wasn't one It really wasn't one thing
56:24for me. It was like it was the overall.
56:26It's like, for example, I I interviewed
56:28Rubio and Gillibrand Senator Gillibrand
56:29on the same day. They both participated
56:32in the film and did lengthy interviews
56:34with me. And both looked me in the face
56:36and told me they thought this was the
56:37most important documentary that's ever
56:38been made. And that this was really
56:40important to bring this information out
56:42in a thoughtful way to the public and
56:44make them aware of what's happening. You
56:46You can't like unhear stuff like that,
56:47you know?
56:48Um
56:49and it makes it makes an impact on you.
56:51What about you, Hal? What was the most
56:53persuasive thing that you
56:55that tipped you over the edge from a,
56:56you know, maybe being agnostic to
56:58believing that there are
56:59non-human intelligent life amongst us?
57:03Well, it's looking at the technology,
57:05which is so advanced,
57:07that I'm that I'm essentially certain
57:10that no
57:11uh us or our adversaries could have made
57:14it.
57:15So, somebody actually made it and it has
57:18to be somebody who knows a lot more
57:20about physics than we do.
57:22I mean, there's there's there's nowhere
57:24to go but to say, "Okay, there's
57:26somebody who is way beyond
57:29humans to develop that kind of
57:32technology and display it. Of all the
57:34evidence that's been released and all of
57:35the rumors and videos and you know,
57:37going back to the crop fields that we
57:39used to hear about many years ago,
57:41presumably there's lots of this stuff
57:43that you don't believe.
57:44That you think is nonsense.
57:46>> definitely there's definitely
57:47>> tons of them.
57:48>> of reports that are that when you look
57:50into them seem like for sure.
57:54Because you know, one of the things
57:55people often say is that alien encounter
57:57descriptions perfectly match the pop
57:58culture of that era.
58:00So, people saw flying saucers in the in
58:02the 1950s after sci-fi movies
58:04popularized them and gray aliens in the
58:061980s after books like Communion
58:10popularized them. And this kind of
58:11suggests that
58:13sightings are born from human
58:14imagination versus
58:16Well, I I think I and I think that's a
58:18reasonable uh
58:20place to come to. I think I think a lot
58:22of the reports that we get,
58:24you know, we can generally set aside as
58:26being, you know, just
58:28manufactured by humans who get caught up
58:31in the sort of
58:32a give and take on social media and so
58:34on.
58:35But, nonetheless, when you really zero
58:38in on actual evidence of technologies
58:41and evidence of bodies,
58:43there you can't just say it's uh
58:46you know, it's just social contagion.
58:48>> Yeah, when I think about the
58:49technologies, when I watch like the Tic
58:50Tac video, Mhm. it's kind of blurry. I
58:52don't really know what I'm looking at.
58:54Like there's this thing moving around on
58:56the screen that's like black and white,
58:57but I don't really know what I'm looking
58:59at. And I think this has always been the
59:00struggle with it is we're so used to
59:02consuming content in high definition
59:05that we can clearly and it it appears to
59:07be the case that so many of these UAP
59:09videos are like in the distance and kind
59:10of blurry and vague.
59:12So, it makes them harder to believe. And
59:15I just I think we're all longing for
59:16like a solid video. You talked about
59:18them going in and out of the water.
59:20How come someone's not got a You got If
59:22someone like falls over and we we we
59:24capture it all on camera these days.
59:26CCTV cameras on every high street. Why
59:28is there no like a solid video of
59:30something going in the water and out of
59:32the water?
59:32>> Look, multiple people said on camera
59:35they have seen with their own eyes
59:37classified videos that are indisputable.
59:40Um and some of them told me specifics
59:42like that story I told you that the
59:43first video Jay Stratton was shown when
59:45he went down this rabbit hole. It was a
59:46triangle craft hovering over a nuclear
59:48weapon site. Uh Air Force security
59:51guards had filmed it on a little VHS
59:52camera that they had. It was It was
59:54hovering long enough for them to do
59:55that. You know, that kind of evidence
59:56exists, but it's just still classified.
59:58Will it be coming out, do you think? I I
1:00:00I hope so. I I I know this process is
1:00:02playing out right now where people like
1:00:04like Jay Stratton are helping the
1:00:05administration find where the evidence
1:00:08exists so they can get their hands on it
1:00:10and then determine whether it can safely
1:00:12be declassified. Like that process is
1:00:14definitely playing out right now. Do you
1:00:16think Do you trust the Trump
1:00:17administration to release all of the
1:00:19available information? I I don't think
1:00:21it's a question of do we trust the
1:00:23current administration will release it.
1:00:25It's do we think all these federal
1:00:27agencies and branches of the military
1:00:29are going to turn
1:00:31over the evidence they have to the
1:00:33administration. That's the question. And
1:00:35the jury's still out on that. They're
1:00:36They're not right now. They're pushing
1:00:37back.
1:00:38And they're pushing back hard. And
1:00:40that's why the administration is working
1:00:42with people like Stratton like Jay
1:00:43Stratton who who who have who over 16
1:00:46years has learned where a lot of this
1:00:47evidence is. Um they're working with
1:00:49people like him to find out where the
1:00:51evidence sits, who who's gatekeeping it
1:00:54at each of these different
1:00:54organizations, and how to get to it. Um
1:00:58so they're doing They're doing a
1:00:59fact-finding mission right now.
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1:02:07witnesses is released, if they release,
1:02:10you know, craft alien craft, and they
1:02:12release alien bodies and all of these
1:02:14things, how do you imagine the world
1:02:16would be different? I think it will lead
1:02:20to a giant technology boom. I think once
1:02:24we're told, "Hey, there's this
1:02:25technology that exists that could
1:02:27revolutionize the way we live, you know,
1:02:29it could lead to anti-gravity
1:02:31technology. It could lead to
1:02:32solve new energy sources, solve the
1:02:34energy crisis overnight, right?" Could
1:02:37lead to interstellar travel and going
1:02:39farther out, you know. And I think it'd
1:02:41have a great psychological effect uh
1:02:43because, you know, you suddenly
1:02:46uh you go from the point of saying,
1:02:47"Well, maybe we're the only intelligent
1:02:49species in the universe." And then you
1:02:51suddenly get the idea that
1:02:53uh this is a universe full of life.
1:02:56>> What does that mean for religion?
1:02:58I think all dogmas will just apply to
1:03:00it, you know. And I think that the
1:03:01Vatican's already gotten ahead of it and
1:03:03said, you know, they put out a message a
1:03:05couple years ago that basically the the
1:03:07the gist of it was, you know, God's
1:03:09God's universe and God's work is vast
1:03:11and, you know,
1:03:12>> and you couldn't you couldn't uh
1:03:15you know, say that he he wouldn't have
1:03:17the ability to do that. I mean
1:03:18>> Yeah.
1:03:20So I I I I I I I
1:03:20>> from a religious standpoint
1:03:23and certainly in the case of the
1:03:24Catholic Church
1:03:26they've had uh very positive views about
1:03:30population being throughout Yeah. And
1:03:32there's nothing really at least from the
1:03:34Catholic Church's perspective, there's
1:03:36nothing that counters the you know it
1:03:38does that doesn't allow you to wrap your
1:03:40head around the fact that there's other
1:03:41life out there, you know? Are you guys
1:03:43religious? Not like overly religious,
1:03:44but like you know I my my my mom's Irish
1:03:47and and grew up going to Catholic school
1:03:49and I you know I went to a CCD and you
1:03:51know Sunday school is the it's called a
1:03:53CCD where I grew up.
1:03:55Um but uh
1:03:56>> in God? I do. I do. Do you believe in I
1:03:58do too. Yeah. I'm a practicing Catholic,
1:04:00so So would that mean that you believe
1:04:02God has made all of these
1:04:04aliens as well? That's my that's what my
1:04:07worldview is.
1:04:07>> Yeah, I would think that I couldn't say
1:04:09that's not the case.
1:04:10But you know, as a scientist I can't
1:04:12prove that that it is the case, but
1:04:15you know, just just on the statistics of
1:04:17it it's pretty likely.
1:04:20You know, an interesting thing happening
1:04:22right now Steven too is these people who
1:04:24have been gatekeeping the truth.
1:04:26Um a lot of them are afraid to come
1:04:28forward and tell the White House what
1:04:30they know because they they think
1:04:31they're going to be villainized. They
1:04:32they think the optics around this are
1:04:36such that like if someone's been
1:04:38covering this up, they're they're
1:04:40they're they're the villain of the
1:04:41story, right? And so
1:04:43um the White House and the Director of
1:04:46National Intelligence and the Department
1:04:49of War realized this and so in the last
1:04:52couple of weeks they've been messaging
1:04:53out to the military and the intelligence
1:04:54community
1:04:56that this is not a witch hunt, it's not
1:04:57an endeavor to punish anyone. They want
1:05:00to encourage people to come forward,
1:05:01they assure them there will be no no
1:05:03punishment uh for being involved in
1:05:05gatekeeping this. They just want to
1:05:06learn the truth and find out where the
1:05:08real evidence sits. So that's another
1:05:10thing that's playing out right now that
1:05:12I think if it gets out there enough, uh
1:05:14it will lead to more people coming
1:05:15forward with that
1:05:17that evidence we all want to see. Yep.
1:05:20Earlier on we you talked about how some
1:05:22people feel like their lives are at risk
1:05:24because of what they know.
1:05:26Has there been any instance of anyone
1:05:27being punished for saying anything in
1:05:28this regard?
1:05:30Well, certainly having having their
1:05:32clearances pulled or losing their up
1:05:36opportunities for advancement, uh
1:05:39we we've heard stories like that from
1:05:41from several people in the intelligence
1:05:43community. Is there any Is there anyone
1:05:44you can name that has said that they
1:05:46were threatened or punished or in some
1:05:49form because of what they know?
1:05:51>> the the number one whistleblower for for
1:05:53many people has been David Grusch.
1:05:55And so he has uh outlined the various
1:05:59steps taken against him to
1:06:02basically ruin his career significantly
1:06:05enough that he went to the Inspector
1:06:07General of the intelligence community
1:06:10and said,
1:06:11"I'm being punished, shoved aside,
1:06:14losing clearances, and so on because I
1:06:16came out with this data." And they said,
1:06:18"Well,
1:06:19what you provided us is, you know,
1:06:21serious, worthy of consideration."
1:06:23>> And I think a lot of people have had
1:06:24their lives threatened. Um I'm not
1:06:26certain if if anyone has been killed, um
1:06:30but I know people have had their lives
1:06:32threatened. Yeah.
1:06:34And who's threatening them?
1:06:36People that are involved um
1:06:39in
1:06:40this this program, referred to as the
1:06:42legacy program. Who think that the
1:06:44evidence should not ever come out.
1:06:47This legacy program. So this is a
1:06:49program run within the US government?
1:06:53To it. US government
1:06:54>> Elements of elements of it, uh and also
1:06:57defense contractors.
1:06:59>> And you think the legacy program knows
1:07:02the truth on this regard?
1:07:03Yes, because they have the first-hand
1:07:06evidence of the crash materials and the
1:07:09bodies.
1:07:11There's 80 years of data that this
1:07:14this
1:07:15group has.
1:07:17And they haven't released or leaked that
1:07:19data for the last 80 years.
1:07:21There'd be no advantage. No one's hacked
1:07:23it. This This program is the epitome of
1:07:26a special access program. I think this
1:07:28program is as off the grid as it it
1:07:30could possibly be.
1:07:32It almost seems like there's nothing
1:07:33that eventually hasn't come to come to
1:07:35light that the government have done.
1:07:36Like I've sat here and interviewed a lot
1:07:37of CIA spies
1:07:39who've told me the history of the CIA
1:07:41and this program that lasted for 12
1:07:42years and then it comes out and this
1:07:44program and I mean even some of the
1:07:46stuff that I've heard you talk about how
1:07:47around um
1:07:48what's it called? Remote viewing. Remote
1:07:50viewing. Remote viewing. Yeah. That was
1:07:52that CIA project? That was CIA. What is
1:07:54remote viewing? Remote viewing, well,
1:07:56the the the CIA suddenly got concerned
1:07:59because they saw that the the Soviets
1:08:01were spending millions of dollars at
1:08:03some of their best institutes to
1:08:05investigate the possible use of quote
1:08:07ESP. What's ESP? Psychic ability.
1:08:10>> Yeah. Psychic abilities, extrasensory
1:08:12perception.
1:08:14And so as it turns out I was at Stanford
1:08:16Research Institute and they saw my
1:08:19background. They they came to me and
1:08:21said, you know,
1:08:22"We'd like for you to to look into this.
1:08:24Is there anything to this? I mean no um
1:08:27scientist in America even believes there
1:08:29is such thing as ESP." Who came to you?
1:08:32CIA.
1:08:33This is This is in the '70s.
1:08:34>> Yeah. The CIA
1:08:35>> Back in the '70s.
1:08:36>> approached you in the '70s and asked you
1:08:38to investigate remote viewing. That's
1:08:39right. And so they asked me to set up a
1:08:42small program and 50 or 60 K or
1:08:45whatever. They said, you know, "We hope
1:08:47you'll find this is all nonsense. We can
1:08:48forget about it. We don't have to worry
1:08:50about it."
1:08:51And it grew into, you know, more than a
1:08:53two-decade program, millions of dollars.
1:08:56Stargate is
1:08:58the label for it that most people know
1:08:59about because by now most of the
1:09:02information in the program came out. And
1:09:04basically it we just we just found that
1:09:07the people
1:09:08essentially just like you have artistic
1:09:11ability or athletic ability or whatever,
1:09:14musical ability.
1:09:16Well, we found out that remote viewing,
1:09:18this ability to sit in a location and
1:09:22pick up information from some place far
1:09:24away uh is a talent that many people
1:09:28could demonstrate. And so we ended up
1:09:31actually training Army intelligence
1:09:34officers at the Army Intelligence and
1:09:35Security Command at Fort Meade
1:09:38how to do this. And so So wait, let me
1:09:40just simplify this for the audience that
1:09:41might not fully understand what we're
1:09:44talking about. So remote viewing is the
1:09:45idea that I could sit here in London
1:09:46where we are now and I could be trained
1:09:49to see what was going on in another part
1:09:52of the world.
1:09:53>> your mind's eye go to a remote location.
1:09:56>> I'll give you [clears throat] a specific
1:09:57example. A Soviet plane that CIA wanted
1:10:01to get hold of went down somewhere in
1:10:03Africa.
1:10:04And they didn't they didn't know where
1:10:06because the pilot had bailed out and it
1:10:08just went on until it ran out of gas. So
1:10:11we got two of our quote best remote
1:10:13viewers, one that worked for the Air
1:10:15Force and one that worked for my
1:10:17organization to say, "Okay, here's a map
1:10:20of Africa. Where's that damn plane? We
1:10:22got to go in and get it."
1:10:24And they put an X on the map that was in
1:10:263 miles of where the plane went down out
1:10:28of the hundreds of thousands of square
1:10:30miles. And so the CIA went and it got
1:10:32the plane. So I mean it was, you know,
1:10:34how do they do that? Well, By the way,
1:10:36there's an audio recording of President
1:10:38Jimmy Carter telling that story.
1:10:39>> Yeah.
1:10:41Hm. Post post [clears throat]
1:10:42presidency.
1:10:43Maybe we should play that.
1:10:45One time we had a a small plane go down
1:10:48somewhere in Africa. We were not able to
1:10:51find it by surveillance from our
1:10:54satellites. So the director of the CIA,
1:10:57he was also director of all the
1:10:59intelligence agencies,
1:11:01heard about a uh
1:11:03a woman in California that uh was a
1:11:06medium. And he uh contacted her, and she
1:11:11gave him the
1:11:14latitude and longitude of the plane's
1:11:17whereabouts. And the next time one of
1:11:19our space satellites went over that
1:11:22area, we located the plane where she
1:11:24said it was. Again, this sounds like
1:11:26it's impossible. Sounds like I give It
1:11:29sounds completely bananas. It sounds
1:11:30like something out of an X-Men comic
1:11:32book. It sounds crazy. But Well, I was
1:11:35okay. It is You want to be really
1:11:37practical about it. Uh
1:11:39you know, they they often our skeptics
1:11:41would say, "Well, if they're so psychic,
1:11:43why aren't they rich? Why aren't they in
1:11:44the stock market or whatever?"
1:11:47So, we set up a little program on on a
1:11:49challenge to predict silver futures. To
1:11:52predict to predict what? Silver futures.
1:11:54>> Just the value of silver? The value of
1:11:55silver silver on a daily basis was it
1:11:57going to go up or go down?
1:12:00So, we had somebody said, "Okay, I I
1:12:02will if you'll set up a little program
1:12:04like that for 30 days, I'll bet on what
1:12:06your quote remote viewers say,
1:12:09and I'll put the money in, and I'll give
1:12:11you 10% of what I make." So, I said,
1:12:13"Okay, fine." Now, long story short, uh
1:12:16made um
1:12:18$260,000
1:12:19in the 30 days. We got our 10%, which is
1:12:23$26,000.
1:12:24So, people could actually
1:12:27in this case even look into the future a
1:12:29day and
1:12:32generate a description of what they were
1:12:34going to see and handle the following
1:12:35day. Presumably not everybody. How many
1:12:38people did you have
1:12:39do that?
1:12:39>> We had
1:12:41uh seven in that experiment.
1:12:42>> And how many of them were successful in
1:12:44generating
1:12:44>> Six of the seven
1:12:46uh generated really good data. So, were
1:12:48those six of people now rich?
1:12:51Well, I don't I don't know. Uh some of
1:12:53them may may have followed up. They
1:12:55don't Why were those six people picked?
1:12:58Since we had learned that sort of
1:13:00anybody can do this, uh
1:13:02we were actually raising money for a
1:13:05school that was being put together. So,
1:13:08I just went to the board of directors
1:13:09and said, "Okay, I'm going to give you a
1:13:11crash course over the weekend in {quote}
1:13:13remote viewing of the type we train
1:13:16intelligence officers to do."
1:13:18And
1:13:19so, you're going to be it.
1:13:21So, you just it was the board of The
1:13:23school.
1:13:23>> The board board of the school. Okay.
1:13:25They all knew what I did for a living
1:13:27and so This program Stargate got
1:13:30so much
1:13:31actionable intelligence from the remote
1:13:33viewers that Hal started briefing at the
1:13:35time the director of the CIA on a
1:13:37regular basis.
1:13:38>> have briefed all the way up to Bill
1:13:39Casey, the director of the CIA. So, does
1:13:42it still exist, this program?
1:13:44In any capacity? Uh remote viewing? If
1:13:46it does, you wouldn't hear about it.
1:13:48Why?
1:13:50Because
1:13:52it'd be a best black highly classified
1:13:54program. Why?
1:13:56Because we don't want our adversaries to
1:13:57know how we might be getting access to
1:14:00their data. You just told us.
1:14:02But people can not believe that, and
1:14:04that's fine. But aren't you under some
1:14:06sort of contract?
1:14:08Well, as it turns out, the CIA and and
1:14:10DIA, also went to the DIA, that program
1:14:13finally got declassified
1:14:16at the level that was operating at, and
1:14:18that you can go to the CIA reading room
1:14:21and you can get all the documents. All
1:14:22of So, your work was originally
1:14:25classified? Oh, it was originally top
1:14:27secret special access program. Yeah.
1:14:31There's a part of me that goes, "Listen,
1:14:32if people could do remote viewing and
1:14:34see, you know, into other parts of the
1:14:37world or predict the things that you're
1:14:38saying,
1:14:40I mean,
1:14:41if if if it was trainable,
1:14:44everything the life as we know it would
1:14:47be completely flipped on its head.
1:14:49>> I think it's unreasonable to think that
1:14:51when Stargate became public, the US
1:14:53government stopped
1:14:57remote viewing. I mean, I wouldn't stop
1:14:59if I was the US government. If if it
1:15:00worked, I wouldn't stop.
1:15:01>> it just went underground, moved to a
1:15:02different agency.
1:15:03>> Yeah, went underground.
1:15:05So you were training people to do it,
1:15:06though.
1:15:07Yeah. We Well, we had Yeah, we had we
1:15:09had people that we trained. So train me.
1:15:13>> [laughter]
1:15:13>> Yeah. How do you train me? Well, now a
1:15:16number of the uh military intelligence
1:15:18officers that we trained have now left
1:15:20the military, and they do have training
1:15:23courses.
1:15:24Do you Do you believe it?
1:15:26I do. At first, I thought it just
1:15:28sounded too much like something in a
1:15:29comic book, right? But
1:15:32the more I first read about Stargate in
1:15:35the declassified documents, started to
1:15:36realize how serious the government took
1:15:38it, and the more I learned about it
1:15:41through Hal, and then eventually
1:15:43um I really don't want to get into the
1:15:45details of this, but eventually
1:15:47um I got connected with someone who has
1:15:49done remote viewing for the government,
1:15:50and they did a demonstration for me that
1:15:53blew my mind.
1:15:54Cuz you would think if anyone was
1:15:55capable of doing remote viewing, they
1:15:57could go on the internet and make one
1:16:00prediction or do one video that would
1:16:02be, you know, proven to be true, and
1:16:04they would literally be considered to be
1:16:07a superhuman.
1:16:08Like they would literally be
1:16:11I mean, people would probably think they
1:16:12were a deity or a
1:16:13or a spiritual leader or something.
1:16:15Well, if one person could do remote
1:16:16viewing
1:16:17>> was that it seems to be an act action
1:16:21that
1:16:22is just part of the human makeup.
1:16:24And so it isn't like they're super deity
1:16:27or god-like or really off the charts.
1:16:30It's something that people can learn to
1:16:31do, like they can learn to play the
1:16:33piano or whatever it is for whatever
1:16:35reason. Maybe it was a skill set that
1:16:37anyone
1:16:37>> new uh
1:16:39you know, psychiatrists and
1:16:40neurophysiologists
1:16:42beginning to study, you know, how does
1:16:44consciousness do its thing in the brain
1:16:47and so on and
1:16:48are there elements of it once you get
1:16:51into quantum theory and quantum
1:16:52entanglement that would say you could
1:16:54have evidence,
1:16:56you know, beyond just our physical
1:16:58structure.
1:16:59>> Like it could be rationalized with like
1:17:00a quantum connection basically that that
1:17:02the moving your mind's eye to another
1:17:03location which also goes to like, you
1:17:06know, Hal's life very interestingly, you
1:17:08know, first was the Stargate stuff and
1:17:10then he got into UAP and the overlap
1:17:12that I find fascinating is some of these
1:17:15craft that have been found or crashes
1:17:19that have happened.
1:17:21The reports from people involved say
1:17:23that a lot of them don't have any
1:17:24control panels in them. Mhm. Like
1:17:27they're basically empty other than seats
1:17:29which suggests that maybe there's some
1:17:31sort of mind connection controlling
1:17:34these craft. I did wonder about the
1:17:36crafts. So I thought, you know, if I was
1:17:37an advanced civilization, why would I
1:17:39and I was that small, why would I send
1:17:41life to these planets when I could just
1:17:42send the crafts?
1:17:44You know, why am I sending biological
1:17:46life when I could just send the Maybe
1:17:47they're manufactured biological life.
1:17:49Maybe it's maybe they're the equivalent.
1:17:50Maybe they're not sentient.
1:17:52Yeah.
1:17:53It's true. But the remote viewing stuff
1:17:55opens up a lot of possibilities if Yeah,
1:17:57I mean we as part of this CIA program,
1:18:00we found that
1:18:02people could
1:18:04affect quantum devices that were
1:18:07totally shielded by superconducting
1:18:09shielding. Tell them Tell them that
1:18:10particular story. That's a Yeah, we we
1:18:13uh
1:18:14there's a quote psychic so-called and uh
1:18:18so I brought him to Stanford and I was
1:18:20skeptical at the time and uh I said,
1:18:23"Okay, well, we've got this super
1:18:24experiment where there's tiny quantum
1:18:28chip down inside of this electrical
1:18:31shielding, magnetic shielding,
1:18:32superconducting shielding. We We to see
1:18:35if you can affect it.
1:18:38And he did. I mean, this is supposed to
1:18:40be totally non-affectable
1:18:43from by anything on the outside. In
1:18:45fact, it was developed by the Navy to
1:18:48just look for corks and stuff like that.
1:18:50And so, it was supposed to not be
1:18:53influenced from the outside by anything.
1:18:56And he influenced it. And when I say he
1:18:58influenced it, I'm not just saying
1:18:59there's a little blip that, you know,
1:19:01you could kind of read into it. No, it
1:19:04it was a system where
1:19:06it ordinarily just had an oscillating
1:19:08signal like that. And then when he
1:19:10affected it, it just stopped the
1:19:11oscillation.
1:19:13And then he could also make the
1:19:14oscillation go twice as fast. Of course,
1:19:17for a graduate student whose life
1:19:18depended on this not being
1:19:20affected from the outside, you know,
1:19:22really.
1:19:23But then they uh they
1:19:25that that that raised a big issue for
1:19:27them. That means uh gee, does that mean
1:19:29if we put if we hide our documents
1:19:31inside of superconducting safes, uh the
1:19:33Russians might be able to
1:19:35So, actually when we had detente, the
1:19:38American remote viewers got together
1:19:40with the Soviet remote viewers and
1:19:42traded war stories.
1:19:44Did experiments together for You know,
1:19:47I'm I think I'm naturally skeptical cuz
1:19:49I'm skeptical with all things, but I'm
1:19:50often proven wrong.
1:19:52So, you know, my fiance, she um she
1:19:54believes lots of things I don't believe.
1:19:56And so so frequently she's been proven
1:19:57right in those things that I remain
1:19:59open-minded
1:20:01to things in life
1:20:03cuz I've learned to.
1:20:05So, I think that's where I remain. I
1:20:07remain open-minded.
1:20:08And I think on the balance of
1:20:09probability, if you ask me, do I think
1:20:11there's other life in the universe? I
1:20:13think it would be crazy to say there
1:20:14wasn't. Right. Right. But it but
1:20:16[clears throat] has there been life that
1:20:17has arrived here that we've recovered? I
1:20:19just I would need more evidence. Is
1:20:22there
1:20:23>> I I think I think that's the right
1:20:24attitude. And we're hoping that uh with
1:20:27the
1:20:28release of documents that's starting to
1:20:30happen now,
1:20:32that you'll get that evidence, but in
1:20:34the absence of actually
1:20:36getting access to the evidence, it's
1:20:38very reasonable that to be skeptical.
1:20:40Yeah, absolutely.
1:20:41>> I do think though that
1:20:43the current administration in the US
1:20:46is so focused on following through with
1:20:48this directive the president gave to
1:20:51to get
1:20:52all the evidence within the possession
1:20:53of the federal government, all different
1:20:55agencies, military branches, and then
1:20:57figure out what can be declassified. I
1:20:58think they're taking it so serious that
1:20:59we're going to we're going to get to
1:21:01more tranches of more meaningful
1:21:02evidence. And I think eventually we'll
1:21:04get to that thing that we that moment
1:21:06that we've all only seen in movies where
1:21:07a sitting president steps to a
1:21:09microphone and tells the world we're not
1:21:10alone in the universe. I think I think
1:21:11we're going to get there.
1:21:13I think so, too.
1:21:16Just a matter of time.
1:21:18Does it change the meaning of life if
1:21:19that becomes the case? Does it Does it
1:21:21mean anything for us as humans?
1:21:23What do you think the meaning of life
1:21:24is, How? And do you think it we should
1:21:26change our behavior in any way even if
1:21:28this
1:21:29moment does occur? I think if we found
1:21:31out that there were life throughout the
1:21:33universe that it's
1:21:36it can be developed in all kinds of
1:21:37forms
1:21:38then then that makes us
1:21:41take a new look at well, what does it
1:21:42mean to be human? You know, we ought to
1:21:45think about if we can interacting with
1:21:47these other species and seeing what we
1:21:50can learn from them and
1:21:51what might they learn from us? And so,
1:21:53it just opens up a whole new sort of
1:21:56view of what the universe is like. I
1:21:59mean, I've got I've [snorts] got 15
1:22:01grandkids. They should grow up in a
1:22:02universe where it's teeming with life
1:22:05and they know that and that's a very
1:22:08kind of an exciting kind of thing. I
1:22:10think it also could be the one thing
1:22:11that could unify all of humanity.
1:22:14You know, Reagan gave a great speech
1:22:15during his presidency at the United
1:22:17Nations where he said he often thinks
1:22:19that it might be a threat from outside
1:22:22this universe that makes all of humanity
1:22:24come together and think more about what
1:22:26it has in common than than its
1:22:28differences.
1:22:29Um and you know, it moves them past the
1:22:32the the the conflicts of the moment. And
1:22:35that might be, you know, wishful
1:22:36thinking and might be naive, but it also
1:22:38might actually be the one thing that
1:22:41could that could line people up. How's
1:22:43it changed how you think about the
1:22:45the meaning of life? Between what I've
1:22:47learned about the the reality of the UAP
1:22:50situation and the existence of non-human
1:22:51intelligent life, what I've learned
1:22:53about, for example, remote viewing, it's
1:22:55made me realize that our sort of Western
1:22:59present-day view of reality is not
1:23:02complete. You know, we think we know
1:23:03everything there is
1:23:05you know, to life and and how things
1:23:07work and we just don't. And when you're
1:23:09honest with yourself and you look back
1:23:10at history, all the times people thought
1:23:12that they were they were proven wrong
1:23:14pretty quickly.
1:23:15Right. And so it's made me open to a lot
1:23:17more possibilities um than than I would
1:23:20have been just just 10 years ago.
1:23:23Do you think it could be a a renaissance
1:23:25in in our attitudes toward life and and
1:23:28everything? Yeah. Are you both open to
1:23:30being wrong?
1:23:32Yeah, look, I should have said this
1:23:33early on. When I first started making my
1:23:35documentary, I was totally prepared to
1:23:38have people tell me, "Look, this is all
1:23:40It was all cover for our
1:23:42classified projects." Did they? No, no
1:23:45one did. That was the crazy thing. Not
1:23:46not a single person did. I would I was
1:23:48trying to pull it out of people. I'd be
1:23:50like,
1:23:51you know, "Come on, this is really this
1:23:53is like a black project then on an on
1:23:55acknowledged special access program,
1:23:56right? Like just just say nothing if
1:23:58that's the case." And they're like, "No,
1:24:00dude. Not not even close." Like it was
1:24:02over and over and and these weren't
1:24:04random people. These were really senior
1:24:06people on the Senate Intelligence
1:24:07Committee, on the Senate Armed Services
1:24:08Committee, um
1:24:10leaders in in the intelligence
1:24:12community, leaders in in in the
1:24:13military. And so,
1:24:16yeah.
1:24:17It's hard to ignore. Yeah. Well,
1:24:19Trump has released the first round of
1:24:21the UAP reports. Um so I guess in many
1:24:24respects this conversation is to be
1:24:26continued. Yeah. Yeah. And we we we have
1:24:28been told by our friends in government
1:24:30that the next tranche of evidence is
1:24:31likely to come out in the next 30 days
1:24:33or so. And it's going to be a rolling
1:24:36declassification process. So there'll be
1:24:38a lot more to talk about in the near
1:24:39future. Thank you so much for your time.
1:24:41Really appreciate it. I feel very
1:24:43curious. Yeah. Very very curious and I I
1:24:46highly recommend people go check out
1:24:47your documentary. I'm going to link it
1:24:48below. Um and I think one of the great
1:24:50things about the documentary is the
1:24:51diversity of people you've spoken to
1:24:53including Marco Rubio who is what now
1:24:55working alongside President Trump and
1:24:57many others including yourself Hal. Um
1:24:59and other guests that I've like people
1:25:00like Jay who um I hope to speak to you
1:25:02sometime soon. Cool. Thank you for
1:25:04having us and thank [clears throat] you
1:25:05for bringing attention to interesting
1:25:07topics like this. I really do think
1:25:09you know, you know, people like you are
1:25:10are helping open people's minds. You
1:25:12know, in the past we only had you know,
1:25:14it wasn't that long ago there's only
1:25:15four TV networks, right? And a small
1:25:18group of legacy media people controlled
1:25:19what people thought about really. So
1:25:21people like you are opening up
1:25:22everyone's minds to other possibilities
1:25:24and other information and so thank you.
1:25:26>> Yeah, it's it's it's interesting cuz
1:25:29again so sometimes I I think I have to
1:25:31remind the audience of like why I do
1:25:32what I do and why I pick the subjects
1:25:34that I pick. But it's honestly just what
1:25:35I'm curious about. And if if something
1:25:38rises in public curiosity and it's in my
1:25:40my curiosity then I'll speak about it.
1:25:41It's not an endorsement of me believing
1:25:43everything. It is just me wanting to
1:25:46learn more. Yeah. And I you know, I I
1:25:48wish we lived in a society that was more
1:25:50open-minded generally to the people on
1:25:51the other side of the aisle or to
1:25:53subjects that are currently considered
1:25:54to be I don't know, controversial or or
1:25:57or not because you know, it's not lost
1:25:59on me that my own very existence as a
1:26:02black businessman
1:26:04is in of itself um something that was
1:26:06once a very controversial idea.
1:26:09And so I'm all for you know,
1:26:11uh controversial ideas being having some
1:26:14kind of space to be
1:26:15>> Every major breakthrough in the history
1:26:17of humanity came from someone being
1:26:19curious, right? And wanting to learn
1:26:20about something they weren't aware of.
1:26:22So, I I think great things will come out
1:26:24of it. And and and you just touched on
1:26:25something we didn't mention, which is I
1:26:27found, shockingly, that this is the the
1:26:30UAP issue, non-human subtle life, is the
1:26:32most bipartisan issue in Washington,
1:26:35D.C. At a time when Democrats and
1:26:37Republicans in the United States can't
1:26:38agree on anything, they're completely
1:26:40lined up on this being the biggest issue
1:26:42of our time. Extremely significant. And
1:26:45like that says a lot, too, you know?
1:26:47Yeah.
1:26:47To be continued.
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