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0:00well let's uh let's just go around the
0:01horn who voted for Trump let's all raise
0:04their hands for those who voted for
0:06Trump ready one two three go I voted
0:10twice I voted twice me too for me it was
0:12so easy how many swing Stakes did you
0:14vote in I voted in four swing stage they
0:17sent multiple ballots to my house I
0:18filled in all of
0:19them cut this out okay let's
0:22start your winner
0:25ride Rainman David
0:30and instead we open source it to the
0:32fans and they've just gone crazy
0:34[Music]
0:38with hey everybody welcome back to my J
0:41Kess God your energy is so
0:44dork welcome welcome I'm Tim Waltz I'm
0:46Tim Waltz of the all-in Pod welcome
0:49welcome welcome knucklehead you're the
0:50knucklehead of I'm a knucklehead did you
0:53just sachche into the your seat I am
0:56right here show us your Jazz show us
0:58your Jaz by the way that name you just
1:00enjoy that name Tim Waltz while you can
1:02because you're never going to hear about
1:03that guy again he's gonna be more
1:05forgettable than Tim Kane they're gonna
1:07be doing you see that live bit they're
1:10gonna be doing SNL skits on how
1:11forgettable he is that that SNL skit was
1:14Next Level I agree okay so today we are
1:17gonna cover the biggest in the news yeah
1:21right um we'll start out with a little
1:22housekeeping and then we'll get into it
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1:34Saturday December 7th NSF we have a
1:36couple of great announcements for the
1:37holiday party which I think we are
1:39spending way too much money on Steve
1:41Aoki will be DJing nice Andrea botes
1:46will be there doing the opening DJ set
1:48and her sister Alex will be joining us
1:50as well Andrea and Alex will also be
1:52playing the botes sisters we're gonna
1:53have a chess tournament during the party
1:56which will be super fun Sachs you can
1:57get in on that challenge um Alex bz or
2:01David sxs to chess Gary Richards also
2:04known as
2:06Destructo for a rematch that's right as
2:09I recall I I beat her last time yeah and
2:12we will have on screen you totally told
2:14me to go myself and wouldn't give me
2:17any I also blundered my queen and still
2:19won on time which I will always hold
2:21dear in my heart she needed more time if
2:23she if we had given her more time that
2:25that was a tough situation yeah she
2:27would have crushed all of us 4 V one
2:29tough yeah but it's going to be a great
2:30show other guests to be announced in the
2:32future VIP is almost sold out and we're
2:34doing um like a special dinner after the
2:37live show and then the part's going to
2:39be awesome casino games food drinks DJs
2:42this is just to have fun guys this is
2:44not meant to be kind of like the summit
2:47type show we're going to just have a
2:48great time so we hope everyone will join
2:50us and if you've got startups that want
2:51to join please come on by buy some
2:53tickets and how much is this costing us
2:56you a million buckss
3:00we're going to lose money on this the
3:01idea was how many tiets are we selling
3:03not enough apparently not enough yeah
3:06what's the total attendance size SX you
3:08just won the White House I think you're
3:10fine anybody can do this anyone can do
3:12this math how many how many how big is
3:14the theater and what are we charging for
3:15the tickets well it's not a theater so
3:17there's like the tickets are like 500
3:19bucks I love you being the moderator and
3:20taking all the arrows this is
3:23great never moderating again well it's
3:26the PFA remember where they used to have
3:27the Exploratorium that that building
3:29where they they built for the the
3:30World's Fair or whatever so it's in
3:33there and it's all empty so we're kind
3:34of taking that we're building a stage
3:35inside we're going to build all the set
3:38and everything yeah should be fun okay
3:40so um it sounds great yeah if you could
3:43take some pictures sax would love to
3:47only unless it's marago saak will not
3:49show up I want to just congratulate like
3:51oh we're spending a million dollars I
3:52won't be
3:55there okay sorry keep going I want to
3:57congratulate someone really special uh
3:59without whom Trump would likely not have
4:01been elected
4:02president so your bravery your Ingenuity
4:05your
4:06creativity you led the way and you
4:08brought millions of people the direct
4:10news they couldn't get anywhere else
4:11Jason congrats by putting the all-in Pod
4:14you've inadvertently architected a
4:16system that's helped return Trump to the
4:18White House and for that many people are
4:20praising you today congrats Jason how
4:23does it feel to have finally accompl
4:24your dream feels great yeah absolutely
4:26yeah big shout out to J I did see a
4:28tweet where somebody somebody gave me a
4:30lot of credit for moving the Overton
4:32window in Silicon Valley and they said
4:34that Jason was indispensable as my foil
4:37if I didn't have him to dunk on for four
4:39years with my political takes it
4:40wouldn't have been nearly as effective
4:42so thank you for that absolutely not
4:44yeah my pleasure I'm I am Abit to your
4:48internal MSM debating partner um we
4:51needed someone to represent the Legacy
4:52Media point of view absolutely
4:55absolutely okay so let's kick it off
4:56saak you were at maral Lago on election
4:59night I thought it' just be great if you
5:01could tell us a little bit about what
5:02the scene was like how was it and when
5:04did you guys kind of know that Trump had
5:07kind of the victory in the bag was it
5:10pre uh the polls coming in because you
5:12had poster data early or you know tell
5:14us a little bit about the experience
5:15there and when it all kind of came
5:17together yeah I went over there I guess
5:19around 7:30 I want to say Eastern Time
5:22Tucker invited me to come on his show
5:24Tucker was doing a live stream from the
5:26library at moral Lago I'd actually never
5:28been over there before there was also a
5:30dinner going on in the ballroom which
5:32was I think primarily for maral Lago
5:35members and you know there were some
5:37Senators there members of The Campaign
5:39and then there was another room set up
5:41with a bunch of TVs for basically the
5:43the staff to watch the results come in
5:47when I first got there people were kind
5:49of just watching trying to find out the
5:52early results I would say that the The
5:54Whispers were positive but people didn't
5:57fundly know more than the rest of us you
6:00know everyone's kind of waiting for the
6:01results to come in I did get a chance to
6:04take a photo with the president actually
6:07Elon came in separately around the same
6:09time and we got a very memorable
6:11photograph here when I shook the
6:14president's hand I got to tell you he
6:15was cool as a cucumber he did not seem
6:17nervous did he feel confident like he
6:19had it in the bag yeah I think he was
6:20confident but I don't think he was
6:21acting like he had it in the bag or
6:23anything like that they didn't know yet
6:24but he was just super super relaxed and
6:27calm and um taking photos with everyone
6:29a good you remember the moment when his
6:31hand touched yours take us to that just
6:35unpack it a little
6:36bit give you the shake he gives that
6:39little shake to exert a little dominance
6:41did he give you the shake it was just a
6:43normal handshake but my point is like I
6:45could detect no nervousness whatsoever
6:47on his part and look the rest of us were
6:51we were like nervous we were wondering
6:53what was whole country was nervous yeah
6:55yeah and what were you guys doing just
6:57hanging out having cocktails having
6:58dinner just everyone was Meandering
7:00chilling what's the scene what's the
7:02scene like at Marva Lago there's a
7:03dinner in the ballroom actually I saw
7:05Jared there Jared was very nice to me he
7:07he asked me do you want to sit down at
7:09the at the dinner and I I could have
7:10joined him but then I decided to do the
7:12the live stream with you guys and I
7:13pulled in Don Jr and we did the live
7:15stream with with Don
7:16Jr like I said are you officially a Mara
7:19Lago member by the way for 500 large oh
7:22my Lord is that true 500,000 well that's
7:25what Don junr told us but look there's a
7:27process to get in I mean I don't I don't
7:28live in Palm Beach I I think it's the
7:30Palm Beach Community is members of mar
7:32Lago yeah so I think that there were you
7:36know it wasn't a huge group of people at
7:38maral Lago and really all the supporters
7:42were convened at the convention center
7:43in Palm Beach there were thousands of
7:45people there I think originally they had
7:47talked about doing a election night
7:49party at maral Lago but it just got too
7:50big so they moved it to the convention
7:52center so I don't know whatever it was
7:55that I dropped off the live stream with
7:57you guys I then moved to the convention
7:58center Got Back back on with new and
8:02then we were kind of waiting at the
8:03convention center we were all feeling
8:05good increasingly so throughout the
8:07night I would say that when Pennsylvania
8:09finally got called then I think everyone
8:11knew that it was in the bag at that
8:12point and it was just a matter of time
8:14before the election got called for for
8:17Trump and then you know at some point
8:19they kind of hurted us downstairs into
8:21that large Ballroom where Trump gave his
8:25victory speech with the rest of the
8:27campaign staff so the final t it looks
8:30like is going to be 3112 Electoral
8:32College votes for president Donald Trump
8:36versus KLA Harris's
8:38226 just for context in 2016 Trump won
8:42with 304 electoral votes and Biden won
8:45in 20120 with
8:46306 so it's a pretty sweeping Victory he
8:49won all the supposed swing States this
8:52year fairly resoundingly there's there's
8:54no real super close calls there's some
8:56close calls but but pretty resounding
8:58victory chth what happened wow it's a
9:03it's a really good question I think that
9:06there's many layers of the
9:09answer but I think in its most basic
9:11calculation I think that the bottom fell
9:14out of the democratic party and if
9:17you look at
9:20why there's
9:22a simple explanation and then there's
9:25the more nuanced explanation I think the
9:26simple explanation is like they just
9:28lost the
9:30script I think that there was so many
9:33people that just got really tired of
9:37being spoken
9:39at and
9:42labeled misogynist racist fascist
9:47transphobe whatever it was and there was
9:49just these Litany of these judgmental
9:52labels that would come out instead of
9:54engaging on the topics at hand so I
9:57think the Democratic party played this
9:59game of trying to use
10:02identities genders
10:05races as a bid to basically get people
10:08that they thought should always vote in
10:10their direction to continue to support
10:13them and instead what happened was
10:14people just started to think for
10:15themselves and say hold on a second I'm
10:17just a normal person that wants to be
10:19left alone what matters to me and I
10:21think what Donald Trump spoke to was a
10:23desire for folks to have economic
10:27Prosperity a safe neighbor
10:30neighborhood a predictable educational
10:32curriculum where these kids could go to
10:34school not be indoctrinated and come out
10:36the other side and just know some useful
10:38skills so that they could get a good job
10:39and do better than they did and all
10:41these basic truths ended up on the
10:44ballot and so it was a bunch of
10:46perception versus just a bunch of hard
10:48realities and I think Trump stayed
10:51focused and
10:53ultimately made sure that people
10:55understood that that's what he was
10:56focused on and I think the Democrats
10:59just went to this place of demagoguery
11:01and labels and I think it was just a
11:04resounding defeat and David I just want
11:07you to like just to put a pin in on how
11:09resounding it
11:11is in California and New York which I
11:14would say are the two most prolific
11:17bastions of elitist liberal
11:20thinking Democrats won those States in
11:24some of the narrowest margins they've
11:26ever
11:27seen I think in 2020 they won California
11:31by 29 Points it was barely half is what
11:34they won by this year in New York it
11:37shrunk to a 12-point margin so what is
11:40this telling you it's telling you that
11:41the Democrats really need to retool and
11:43get back to First principles it was a
11:45cataclysmic
11:49dismissal of wokeism of cancel culture
11:53of
11:54judgmentalism it was an ringing
11:56endorsement of a meritocracy
11:59of just plain simple common
12:02sense of talking with people and to
12:06people being able to tolerate
12:08disagreements remaining
12:11friends all of those things were on the
12:13ballot and it it was just an absolute
12:15resounding victory for just
12:17normaly that's what I think we saw we
12:19saw a return to normaly Jason do you
12:23think that that message got across more
12:25clearly in this election than ever
12:28before as some have claimed because of
12:31the power of alternative media for
12:34reaching the audience rather than having
12:36everything pushed through reporters and
12:38traditional Legacy Media in this case
12:41many of the candidates particularly on
12:43the Republican side went direct to the
12:45audience through long form podcasts like
12:47ours but also Joe Rogan and Lex and many
12:50others and did that move the needle for
12:52a lot of people in a way that won this
12:54or was it the policies and the
12:55difference alone yeah I well clearly
12:59being on podcast was a major part of
13:01Trump's strategy that people are
13:03starting to report on right now and you
13:05know in media you go where the audience
13:07is and I think the Democrats just didn't
13:09get that now stepping back I think the
13:12number one problem here is the candidate
13:15that the Democrats put up and probably
13:18the close number two is inflation and
13:22you know the economy as you know we all
13:25know it's the economy stupid if you were
13:27paying $2 for a cheeseburger at
13:30McDonald's and now it's $4 that's what
13:33people are going to remember and the
13:35inflation that occurred over this last
13:37four years was huge and people cited
13:41that over and over and over again so
13:43there's probably three buckets you could
13:45put this conversation into there's the
13:47candidate KLA Harris was a terrible
13:49candidate she was put in at the last
13:51minute and she was annointed and she
13:53didn't go through a proper primary I
13:55think that's probably number one in this
13:58entire thing it was a terrible candidate
14:00you're saying you're saying number one
14:01is the candidate I number one's the
14:03candidate uh number two I think because
14:05remember Trump was incredibly unpopular
14:07as well and all credit to Trump for
14:09winning and running an incredible
14:11campaign I mean just they they crushed
14:13it on podcast with JD Vance turned out
14:17to be spectacular on podcasts and really
14:19delivered the
14:21message and um you know then number two
14:23is obviously inflation in the economy
14:26and then I think number three is the
14:27bucket that shamat started with which is
14:30the country really really does not like
14:33being told that they're racist or sexist
14:37Etc cancel culture and you put those
14:39three things
14:41together one of the things that's coming
14:43out right now is some of the ads and
14:45we'll play an ad here I wanted you guys
14:47to see this I think this ad sums up
14:49exactly how bad kamla
14:51was and we'll combine this ad with just
14:55some of the statistics that have come
14:56out of how many people have gone right
14:58this is Charlemagne the God from The
15:00Breakfast Club for those who don't know
15:02in a Donald Trump ad taxpayer funded sex
15:06changes for prison
15:08surgery um for prisoners for prisoners
15:10every
15:12transgender inmate in the prison system
15:15would have access hell no I don't want
15:16my taxpayer dollars going to that comma
15:18supports transgender sex changes in jail
15:20with our money comma even supports
15:22letting biological men compete against
15:25our girls in their Sports Kamala is for
15:28they them
15:29president Trump is for you I'm Donald J
15:32Trump and I approve this message and so
15:34how does kamla come back from this with
15:36black voters with male voters with
15:39people who are tired of having this
15:41agenda shoved down their throat
15:43obviously it's going to be incredibly
15:45difficult plus she was in charge of the
15:46Border claimed she wasn't plus she was
15:49in charge of uh you know and Biden were
15:52in charge of the economy when inflation
15:54spiked terrible candidate combined with
15:56a bad track record combined with a
15:58flawless campaign from Trump I think
16:00easy Victory and you know if we pull up
16:04this uh ft chart Nick that I sent you
16:07ahead of time and I tweeted this you
16:10know Americans Love winners and
16:12Innovation and they hate socialism and
16:13this woke nonsense and if you look at
16:16how Trump's support increased look at
16:18this chamat every single demographic
16:21black Asian Hispanic 18 to 29 30 to 34
16:26fale white college men except for two 6
16:295year old plus very moderately very
16:32modestly went left and white college
16:35women very modestly went left in terms
16:38of increasing support otherwise a hard
16:40shift right including some categories so
16:43so so the biggest the biggest shift
16:45right was in Hispanic and Asian
16:47population right and these are groups of
16:49people I think who you you can you can
16:52double click on young people Hispanic
16:54and Asians Asians believe in meritocracy
16:57I think is what most people have read
16:59into that dramatic swing and Hispanics
17:02are anti or more traditional family
17:05values and that's probably what pushed
17:06that so far right but I wanted to just
17:08get your take on that chart chamama in
17:11relation to your handicapping of the
17:13election and then how much comma and how
17:16much the inflation played into it I
17:18think that there are three ways to kind
17:21of identify and tell me if you guys
17:23think these are the wrong vectors
17:24there's either the
17:26policies the candidate
17:28and the methods of the campaign all of
17:31it it's all three right that's how I
17:33kind of break down what happened in this
17:35election cycle there's a a big
17:37difference between the candidates as
17:39people some people cannot see past the
17:42fact that comma did not get any primary
17:44vote some people cannot see past yep the
17:47behavior of Donald Trump on Twitter and
17:49when he talks to people and how he has
17:51talked to people and perceived to be a
17:53bully and the felony conviction and some
17:56people cannot get past other factors of
17:57those two candidates and then some
17:59people can get past it I've been saying
18:00this since I'm blew in the face but I'll
18:03try it
18:05again I think that the mainstream media
18:09has been working hand inhand with the
18:11Democratic party to propagate and move
18:14forward an agenda that tried to vilify
18:17Donald
18:18Trump I did not know that when I
18:22initially encountered him in 2015 as a
18:24candidate but what you're supposed to do
18:28as an adult is once you start to see a
18:31pattern of behavior you know this is for
18:34the safety security of your family this
18:36is about how you think about
18:38economically taking care of your family
18:40like you have to
18:41reerrr you must be prepared to change
18:44your mind when you see important
18:47information and I have said this till I
18:49blew in the face but I'll say it again
18:52if I think of all of the
18:54people in the political infrastructure
18:57of America that I have met
18:59and spent time with from Bill Clinton on
19:02I remember sitting and having dinner
19:04with Barack Obama the day of
19:06brexit and getting a note that he read
19:09and he said oh my gosh and says wow the
19:12UK just pulled out I was sitting across
19:14from him that dinner I've been with all
19:16of these
19:18people the Democrats only come to me to
19:22ask me for
19:23money the only
19:26politician that has ever called me
19:29just to have a
19:31conversation just to say thank you and
19:33be kind the only one has been Donald
19:36Trump isn't that incredible of all of
19:39the people every other person has only
19:41ever called and asked me for
19:44money so what does that mean I think
19:46what it means is that there has been a
19:49concerted
19:50effort to perturb the
19:53way that you interpret who he
19:57is separately there's been a concerted
20:00effort to prop up whoever is sitting
20:03against him in
20:05opposition and I think this is an
20:07opportunity to finally acknowledge that
20:10if you trust these traditional Legacy
20:12sources of helping you to get to a
20:16decision you're going to get tricked
20:18there's that old saying you know fool me
20:20once shame on you but fool me twice
20:24shame on me because I am now allowing
20:27this to happen
20:29and I think that for a lot of Americans
20:31that is what happened I think it is
20:33really as simple as that I think they
20:35were able to see through the
20:37veneer of an
20:39attempt to malign and Corner somebody
20:44and on the other side an
20:46attempt to basically play on Vibes and
20:49feelings and emotions and I don't think
20:52that America wants that that is not what
20:55they want in running the country they
20:56want somebody serious running the
20:58country where you can have disagreements
21:00with them and you can still find an
21:02opportunity to work together with those
21:04people I think it's that sex do you do
21:08you think about how important the policy
21:12versus the
21:13individual versus the way they ran the
21:16campaign the media and how they reached
21:18people as as kind of three vectors and
21:21if so how would you kind of rank those
21:22three in importance and what changed
21:24people's votes and got them to vote
21:25differently than they did in the last
21:27election yeah I think it's a pretty good
21:28framework I mean you have the message
21:30you have the messenger and I guess you
21:32have the the campaign at a tactical
21:34level I think it's a little bit unfair
21:37to blame this entire defeat on KLA
21:39Harris being a bad messenger or
21:42candidate it's true she's not the
21:44greatest candidate she has a lot of
21:46problems however I don't think she was
21:48dealt particularly strong hand the fact
21:51the matter is that we did have rampant
21:55inflation in this country that really
21:57hurt people in their pocketbooks every
21:59time they went to the grocery store and
22:01that resulted from the trillions of
22:03spending that was agreed to by virtually
22:05the entire Democratic party remember
22:08they not only did they pass trillions in
22:10spending they wanted four and a half
22:11trillion more for build back better and
22:13the only reason that didn't happen is
22:15because mansion and Cinema voted against
22:17it and can you imagine how much worse
22:20how much worse would have been Mansion
22:22was driven into retirement and Cinema
22:24was basically kicked out of the party
22:25she effectively told us that at the
22:26all-in summit so this defeat is on the
22:29entire Democratic party the Democratic
22:32party was in support of Joe Biden and
22:34KLA Harris's agenda they were in support
22:36of the de facto open border policies
22:39they were in support of the softon crime
22:41Soros da decarceral policies you can see
22:45that even in California which is a deep
22:47blue State there's a huge backlash huge
22:50this sort of insane soft on crime agenda
22:54the Democrats have 70% of California
22:57voted for prop 36
22:59which basically reversed the excesses of
23:01Prop 47 which a decade ago basically
23:04made shoplifting legal in California you
23:07know who opposed prop 36 despite its
23:09massive popularity Gavin Nome KLA Harris
23:12wouldn't say whether she supported it or
23:14not so what you see is that even in blue
23:16States the Democratic party Elites are
23:19completely out of touch with what people
23:21want and then finally you've got foreign
23:23policy where I think that the the
23:26Democratic agenda basically one to
23:28engage in a proxy war with Vladimir
23:30Putin because he's the Incarnation of
23:32all evil that I think is blown up in the
23:35collective West face that has been a
23:37disaster that was supported by the
23:39entire Democratic party so on issue
23:42after issue that I think mattered in
23:43this election you cannot just put the
23:46blame on KLA Harris it's got to be on
23:48the Democratic party as a whole and just
23:50to Echo what Chamas said about the
23:53cultural stuff they've talked down to us
23:55they've lectured us they've insulted us
23:58they've censored us they've gaslit us
24:01they've tried to cancel us they've tried
24:02to cancel us they tried to punish
24:03descent with Warfare they turned Elon
24:06into an enemy which was the single worst
24:08own goal in history remember this wasn't
24:11just and Joe Rogan don't
24:13forget out as well Bernie supported Joe
24:16Rogan but with Elon it wasn't just
24:18disinviting him we never inviting him to
24:19the EV Summit it goes all the way back
24:22to Lena Gonzalez's tweet telling him to
24:24F off and leave the state of California
24:27so look the Democrat party as a whole
24:29has to own this and they're not going to
24:32start winning elections again until they
24:34have an improvement in their agenda not
24:37just their messenger so saak is this the
24:39nature of democracy that over time when
24:44you have a two-party system and one
24:46party veers too far to the left or one
24:48party veers too far to the right people
24:51jump ship to the other party and
24:53ultimately they pull the policies of the
24:55party that they left back to the middle
24:57and that's the way democracy is supposed
24:59to work and has worked historically so
25:01is this the way it's supposed to go and
25:03do we project that four years from now
25:06the Democrats will need to be and need
25:07to adjust to the center and will'll see
25:10less of this extremism because of the
25:12way the voting turned out this this I
25:15think that's a very interesting question
25:17is whether the Democrats have the
25:19necessary introspection to learn from
25:21this loss I would say that one of them
25:24does if you look at Mat glacius who's
25:25someone I've sparred with on on Twitter
25:28X who is a Democrat partisan he
25:30basically tweeted a list of principles
25:33that he thought the Democratic party
25:34needed to adopt I read it and retweeted
25:36I said laughing my ass off this is a
25:38list of Republican principles it was all
25:40about you know opposing woke and being
25:42in favor of Merit and Innovation
25:44tolerance I'm like great look you know
25:46what if the Democratic party wants to
25:47adopt these principles that's a
25:49wonderful thing for the country I hope
25:51that they do it okay but will they do it
25:54I have my doubts you look at this tweet
25:57by Ari f
25:58where he talks about who the Democratic
26:00party now is yeah I think that this is a
26:03really important tweet because it sort
26:04of tells you Sak who's going to be left
26:06in the
26:07room if these are the only people left
26:10in the room the last thing they're going
26:11to do is admit defeat right exactly so
26:13what you see is that the Democratic
26:16party base is these very affluent very
26:20overeducated very non-religious types
26:23and frankly I wonder whether they're too
26:25out of touch to know they're out of
26:26touch they're certainly very whiny and
26:28entitled and I just don't think they're
26:31going to
26:32seed control of the party without a
26:34fight and frankly they've disappeared so
26:37far up their own woke asses that I don't
26:40think they can find an electoral
26:42majority if they try so if these people
26:44stay in control of the party and these
26:47are the people who you're seeing having
26:48a mental breakdown on Tik Tok they're
26:50posting all the videos they're insulting
26:52the electorate and let's face it it's
26:54not just on Tik Tok it's on the Legacy
26:56Media it's on msdnc
26:58it's basically the the Legacy Media who
27:00are trying to diagnose a psychosis in
27:04the American electorate to explain why
27:06they were so wrong if those people stay
27:08in control I think that the Republicans
27:11could have an electoral majority as far
27:12as the eye can see I completely agree
27:15with you and I'll go even further which
27:16is I think that the Democrats will lose
27:19one of California or New York in the
27:22next eight years if they don't attack
27:24right that so that's the key question
27:26they're not going to attack if you think
27:27that the intelligent Genia quote unquote
27:30the Bill Gates readed Hoffman of the
27:33world that funds Dustin moskovitz that
27:35funds the Democratic apparatus at the
27:38highest
27:39level if they can't change what are the
27:43odds that the state infrastructure or
27:46the local infrastructure changes I think
27:48maybe on the margins the local
27:50infrastructure can change more quickly
27:53and adeptly because it just costs a lot
27:55less money and it's much more
27:56concentrated
27:58but I think the states are very lagered
28:00in that sense and I think that they take
28:02the table scraps of what's left over so
28:04if if you have the Democrats lead there
28:07is no chance that if unless they change
28:09the planks of their platform that the
28:12state legislatures in New York and
28:13California are going to change what they
28:14believe Nick pull up the the link I just
28:17sent so let me just underscore an
28:19important aspect for you guys on this
28:20which is the amount that the Democrats
28:22spent in this campaign and obviously
28:24they saw a significant negative return
28:26they lost across the board Senate
28:28majority House Majority governorships
28:31the White House but they spent more here
28:33you can see the difference between the
28:35Harris campaign and the Trump campaign
28:37spending Harris campaign spent nearly
28:39$900 million the Trump campaign 350
28:42million if you look at the super pcts
28:45the super PCT spent 1.4 billion on the
28:47Dem side roughly 400 million 450 million
28:51on the Republican side and if you scroll
28:53down in some of these key Senate races
28:56the Dems far out spent the Republicans
28:58and still lost the Ohio Senate race
29:00shared Brown $58 million of spending
29:03Bernie Moreno 21 million and Bernie
29:05Moreno had a resounding Victory John
29:07tester 84 million is spending Tim shei
29:0922 million T Tim shei won the uh the
29:12election so across the board the
29:15spending was greater the return was
29:18negative because money cannot overcome
29:20common sense so my question again is
29:23does this not necessitate attack to the
29:26center for the Democrats they want to
29:28see the party survive and if they're
29:30going to continue to lose like this they
29:32will not continue to maintain the same
29:33policy agenda that got them into this
29:35position in the first place jcal do you
29:38think that the Democratic party will
29:39need to tack to the center and that
29:41they're going to start to adjust because
29:42of this they they started that process
29:44they knew that going into this election
29:46and they started moving to the center it
29:48was laughable in some cases because you
29:50have like kamla talking about providing
29:53sex changes for prisoners and you know
29:56all of those receipts came out out so
29:58even as she started to try to get to the
30:00center people didn't buy it so of course
30:02they're going to but what's very
30:04interesting about spend there and the
30:06genius of trump is earned media what's
30:08earned media when you are trying to get
30:11hits in media you will put them into two
30:13buckets paid and earned what you just
30:16showed was paid paid is considered what
30:18you do if you can't earn media Allin
30:21podcast is an example of earned media we
30:24do this every week we earned our
30:26audience we didn't pay anybody for this
30:28audience and I think that was you know
30:30what Trump did uh and JD importantly
30:33someone someone that comes on the show
30:34earns that uh correct so that's the
30:37piece of this that I think is so
30:38important you don't have to pay to go on
30:40Joe Rogan but the candidate that the
30:43Democrats put out there was so bad that
30:47she could not even and I think Sax's you
30:50know Master at setting people up here
30:54the the Democrats put up a horrible
30:56horrible candidate and I know sax is
30:58saying oh it's not kala's fault kala
31:01could not go on Joe Rogan because they
31:04knew that it would be so embarrassing
31:06and that she would get so embarrassed
31:07that it would lose her votes his Doom
31:10Loop uh you know observation from I
31:13don't know eight weeks ago you had that
31:15sax was exactly correct the more she
31:18spoke the more she started going down
31:20she was leading Trump at one point on
31:22poly Market in some of these places and
31:25she absolutely proved that she could
31:27would not communicate well and so and I
31:31just want to just circle back to the
31:33point about inflation here's the
31:36McDonald price increases that I was
31:37mentioning before end of 2019 you could
31:40buy a McChicken for a buck 29 and in mid
31:422024 it was
31:44$389 the majority of Americans wind up
31:48going to Taco Bell McDonald's every week
31:51some cases multiple times a week you
31:53cannot discount exactly how profound
31:58this cost of eating food and buying
32:01groceries had on this election it is the
32:04number one issue I think this election
32:06we can talk in our bubble about it but
32:09about inflation this is what I mean by a
32:11return to normaly these are normal
32:13people problems how much does it cost to
32:16put food on the table how much does it
32:18cost to drive from point A to point B I
32:20want to send my kid to a school where
32:22they go and they learn the ABCs and the
32:24one 123s because they're going to have
32:26to graduate and compete with India and
32:28China I don't want to worry about
32:30indoctrination and all this other stuff
32:32absolutely yeah so look I I did predict
32:34the Doom Loop for Comm Harris two months
32:36ago because she is just not good at
32:38interviews or being off the cuff or
32:40being unscripted not good is generous
32:43yeah s sxra Damas was right about that
32:45absolutely however and I would say the
32:47biggest problem in her campaign is that
32:49she would neither defend the Biden
32:52Harris record nor say what she would do
32:54differently the question you have to ask
32:56is why and I think it's because she was
32:59in a really tough position that her own
33:02party put her in which is they said you
33:04can't criticize Joe Biden yep because
33:06he's the sitting president but at the
33:08same time you can't defend him either
33:12because he's so unpopular well what made
33:14him unpopular Democratic party policies
33:17they should have frankly looking back
33:19they should have just let Joe Biden
33:21defend his own record the old man must
33:24have been in the White House nashing his
33:26teeth saying please put me in the game
33:29let me defend my own record he at least
33:31believed in it the Democrats wouldn't
33:33defend their own record because it was
33:35so bad you have to put some blame for
33:37that not just on KLA but on the entire
33:40party that's my only Point sax it's so
33:42obvious that the technique they used to
33:45defeat Trump in 2020 after those chaotic
33:47four years was hey do you want normaly
33:51and thenni is that 15 million votes what
33:54wait what's
33:55that I I didn't hear the the joke I said
33:58what what tactic was that 15 million
34:01extra oh you're please don't start with
34:03the conspiracy theories
34:05well going to say this has to be a
34:08conspiracy theory
34:11nowy right who's the chart from what's
34:14the Providence of the chart just just so
34:16you know the Y AIS starts at 50 million
34:18so don't be you know like a little too
34:20crazy like they they mailed hold on we
34:22go down this rabit let me just finish my
34:24point then you guys can go to conspiracy
34:25corner and say the election was stolen
34:27the point I'm making here is obviously
34:30Biden ran a very successful campaign
34:32against Trump based on Vibes and based
34:34on his creating chaos in the country in
34:37most people's mind and this return to
34:39normaly so that did work for them
34:41previously it just didn't work this time
34:44because they had to defend their record
34:46on the border they needed to defend
34:47their record on the economy and saxs is
34:49exactly right they didn't touch that and
34:52how do you not talk about their own
34:55record and their record had some good
34:57bright response to it record low
34:59employment record high stock market and
35:02we tamed inflation and they could have
35:04had a really great discussion about
35:05inflation and just said Hey listen both
35:08of the last two terms there was a lot of
35:10spending and so inflation manifested
35:12during the last four years and uh hey we
35:14tamed it so here we are we still have
35:16record low unemployment we still have a
35:19record high stock market and we tamed
35:21inflation things are going to get better
35:23but she couldn't even communicate that I
35:24can communicate that better than the
35:26presidential candidate
35:28come on she could have easily done that
35:30free let me just go back to your point
35:31about the money it is true that the
35:32Democrats had roughly three times as
35:35much money as the Republicans did the
35:38Democrats had something like a billion
35:39dollars for this campaign the
35:41Republicans had presal campaign for the
35:43presidential campaign exactly the
35:45Republicans obviously still won in a
35:47landslide I'm sorry that excludes that
35:49excludes the super pcts which had
35:50additional funding that were going
35:51towards supporting the nominee as fair
35:53enough my point is just the Democrats
35:54had a massive advantage on the money
35:56side they also I think think had a
35:58massive advantage on what you would call
36:01the Legacy Media side I mean I don't
36:04know how you put a value a dollar value
36:06on what the Legacy Media has done not
36:08just in this election cycle but for the
36:10last eight or nine years they have
36:13basically call Donald Trump a Nazi a
36:16fascist a traitor a did it work or did
36:19it their to get to that blew up in their
36:23faces they called him an agent of Putin
36:25they called him an insurrectionist they
36:26called him a convicted fellow they
36:27called him a dictator they've been
36:29yelling that at the top of their lungs
36:31now for at least four years the country
36:34didn't believe it I would just say that
36:36the Legacy Media spell is broken their
36:38credibility has been destroyed and I
36:41think that the repudiation of the Legacy
36:44Media is one of the most important
36:47results of this election it just shows
36:49that the Democrats had I don't know how
36:51you valued a trillion dollar propaganda
36:53machine on their side and Trump was
36:56still able to win and you have to at the
36:58end of the day say that that's a result
37:01not just of alternative media gaining
37:03Steam and free speech on X I think those
37:06were absolutely necessary enablers it's
37:08also the fact that Trump has a trillion
37:11dollar personality and is a tremendously
37:13gifted communicator and politician in
37:15his own unique way but then but finally
37:17you have to say that the issues are on
37:20Trump's side Americans want the border
37:23to be sealed they see that the spending
37:25and the bureaucracy in Washington are
37:27out of control they do not want woke
37:29cancel culture anymore they see America
37:33getting over involved in Foreign Wars
37:35they want the spending to be brought
37:36back home where it benefits them these
37:40are the key points of the Trump agenda
37:42and at the end of the day whatever you
37:44want to say about Trump he ran a
37:47campaign based on issues he talked about
37:50issues what did comma Harris run her
37:52campaign on Vibes celebrity endorsements
37:56name time debunked hoaxes I just want to
38:00go around the horn real quick and ask
38:02each of you guys once again I'm going to
38:03ask you one more question after this
38:05What mattered most was it the policy
38:07sacks as you're proclaiming is what a
38:08lot of people voted on was it the issues
38:10with the candidate the individual or was
38:12it the media or the the campaign tactics
38:14are those three what What mattered most
38:16you think in terms of moving votes what
38:17moved the most V list I don't think you
38:18can separate the man from the message or
38:20the messenger from the message okay
38:22listen if you had a conventional
38:25Republican out there don't think that
38:28they could have overcome the trillion
38:30dollar propaganda machine in Hand of the
38:33Legacy Media that being said I think if
38:36Donald Trump had been campaigning with
38:39Mitt Romney's message or Mitch
38:41McConnell's message I don't think he
38:43would have gone anywhere I don't even
38:44think he would have been the Republican
38:45nominee you have to say that Trump since
38:492016 has tapped into something very deep
38:52in the American electorate and you know
38:55this is something we can get into but I
38:56think that if you look back now over the
38:58last 10 years is clear that he's the
39:00transformational figure in American
39:02politics it's not Barack Obama with all
39:04due respect j k your turn the policies
39:08yeah the individual or the campaign
39:10tactics it's very clearly this had to do
39:13you know primarily with kamla it is the
39:16candidate and how she was selected yeah
39:19I mean obviously if you had it's it's
39:22interesting for you to say that as a Dem
39:23right because I think that may have
39:24chased a lot of people moderate I'm not
39:25a
39:27voted Republican one third of the time
39:29maybe even a little bit more recently
39:31but two two3 you voted them so you were
39:33open to that and I'm leaning moderate I
39:35mean I've been very clear about that my
39:37record's been very clear about that it
39:38is clear that it was her because I will
39:40say if you had put up fredberg and I
39:43think it's great that you're forcing us
39:44to pick one of the
39:45three and it's a hard thing to do but if
39:48you had picked Dean Phillips and Shapiro
39:50I think they would have beat Trump very
39:52easily or because remember Trump was
39:54phenomenally unpopular and I think the
39:56big question that's to come out of this
39:58is how did Elon do getting young men and
40:02how did Joe Rogan and podcasts like ours
40:04do at getting young men to come out and
40:06vote that's something we haven't talked
40:07about yet and I feel like that could be
40:09the one thing that comes out of this
40:11election over the coming years that we
40:14look at that'll be the sustainable
40:16change is that young men are now voting
40:20and they want to vote for something very
40:22different than white women or old people
40:25and chamat what is your on What mattered
40:28most do you have one of those three how
40:30would you wait you to R I think the
40:33policies of the democratic party are
40:36fundamentally
40:37broken they've become the exact opposite
40:40of where they were even 20 years ago so
40:42the Democrats used to be the protector
40:45of free
40:46speech now they are pro censorship the
40:50Republicans are free speech the
40:52Democrats used to be all about anti-war
40:55now they are more like
40:58to get mangled into all of these foreign
41:00Misadventures in partnership with the
41:02military industrial complex whereas the
41:04Republicans have been a bull workk to
41:06war and they embraced the chaines
41:08ultimate proof of that oh my gosh I mean
41:10that was the scariest and oddest turn of
41:12events so I think that what happened is
41:15the policies they just lost their way
41:17now the question is was it purposeful or
41:20was it by accident and I think that
41:24belies the bigger question which is just
41:26the people in charge of the democratic
41:28party I think to Sak's
41:31point do they even have a sense of that
41:33they have to change or are they just so
41:35now fundamentally out of touch and they
41:38just believe what they believe so
41:39ferociously they're going to have to go
41:41through maybe three or four or five more
41:43elections of just getting totally
41:45trounced in order to learn the lesson
41:46okay I'll I'll um I'll wear my mlin hat
41:49and say chof right answer now my next my
41:53next question back to you chath is
41:57I've had a lot of conversations in the
41:58last few days um with good friends with
42:02people I'm close with with family and so
42:03on hold on freeberg what do you think
42:05before you ask the next question I think
42:07policy matter but but here's the the the
42:09stumbling block if you talk to anyone
42:12that did not vote that that did not vote
42:14for Trump and voted for kamla Harris
42:16that is you know kind
42:18of reasonable people or what you know I
42:21I don't want to kind of classify people
42:24but people that you would normally have
42:25decent long form conversations with and
42:28you start talking specific policy issues
42:30with them the convers keeps coming back
42:33to Trump the person in my experience
42:36people can't see past a person who is a
42:38quote convicted felon as they claim who
42:40is taking away women's rights who is a
42:42bully who is mean a lot of this is
42:44influenced by his past behavior and
42:46things he said and the way he's said
42:48things and done things on Twitter we can
42:50we can Proclaim that there was a lot of
42:51misrepresentation about Trump in the in
42:53the Legacy Media but there were a lot of
42:55tweets that Trump put out that we
42:57offputting to a lot of people so I want
42:59you chamat to speak to the many
43:02individuals out there who are good
43:04people who feel disenfranchised who are
43:07not like the the funny people you can
43:08make fun of on Libs of Tik Tok or what
43:10have you but just everyday normal people
43:12that said I really don't trust the guy I
43:14really don't believe that this is a good
43:16person and I think that the policies
43:19make more sense I agree with a lot of
43:21the policy issues but frankly the guy
43:23doesn't seem like the right guy for me
43:25how do you kind of break through is that
43:26possible and can you speak to that
43:28person to help them kind of see past the
43:31individual to the policies and have
43:33trust and faith that this individual can
43:35actually Shepherd this nation
43:37forward there are so many very powerful
43:41examples of how the
43:43media
43:45colluded with the Democratic
43:49party to fundamentally lie about things
43:54that actually happened when it relates
43:56to Donald Trump
43:58one of the most simple and
44:01Powerful was the lie about
44:03Charlottesville when I process
44:06Charlottesville I'm probably one of
44:08those people David that you talk about I
44:11was just so scared and angry and I took
44:17at face
44:18value what the media said that Donald
44:21Trump
44:22said and then I was really angry at
44:26Donald Trump until I saw the footage and
44:30saw that it was just an complete
44:33lie and that is just an incredible
44:36shirking of responsibility that the
44:38media has undertaken the
44:40deviousness the
44:42dishonesty it's really bad and that's
44:46where I said I have to stop as a grownup
44:50rational man as the head of my family I
44:54need to reer where I'm coming from well
44:58head of my family with Nat when she lets
44:59me be but
45:02anyway feel I can feel
45:08her you listen to I can feel that one
45:13back to H me keep that line in Nick I am
45:15the head of my family okay anyways
45:18guys let's get let's get back up go back
45:21go back go back go
45:23back but but the thing is like I started
45:26to reenter it
45:27and I do that every day in my day job
45:31I'm running a company is 8090 going well
45:34or not well it depends on the conditions
45:36on the ground when things are going well
45:38I need to do more of those things when
45:40things are not going well I need to re
45:41underwrite is it something that I'm in
45:44control of is it something that I've
45:45missed how do I change it how do I get
45:47my team to be better I live it every day
45:50in investing it's the same thing you
45:52know there was periods where I was on
45:54top of the world and everything was
45:55working then there were waves where
45:58things were not working but I still had
46:00to show up and do my job well as it's
46:02turning out in those Darkest Hours was
46:05when I probably have made some of my
46:07absolute best new Investments that would
46:10not have happened if I did not keep my
46:12feet on the ground and constantly re
46:15underwrite and try to challenge my
46:17biases there are so many examples that
46:20have happened to Trump that when you
46:21actually unpack them there was a
46:23concerted effort to lie and that is why
46:27it's important for folks
46:29to be able to suspend that judgment the
46:33second thing I would say is then you saw
46:36four years of the man in office and if
46:39you actually
46:41separate the interpretation by the media
46:45who frankly just hate him with what he
46:48actually did you take a step back and
46:51you're like man these accomplishments
46:52were incredible for example let's look
46:55at what happened with the Abra hemicords
46:57we have never been closer to substantial
47:01and sustained peace in the Middle East
47:04in any era of government under any
47:06president than we were when Jared
47:09Kushner on behalf of Donald Trump
47:11negotiated those agreements and look how
47:14far we have slipped since
47:16then and all of that happened as a
47:19result
47:21of the incoming government wanting to
47:24undo what was so logically right in in
47:27the first
47:27place and part of that was to feed a
47:30media cycle so again I just go back to
47:32David all of these normal people and I
47:34know a lot of them as well speak to them
47:36yeah like I mean yeah you guys need to
47:39just take a step back and take a beat
47:42and just think about something for a
47:43second how do so many normal high
47:47functioning well-intended people switch
47:50sides how did that happen now jcal let
47:52me ask you the flip side of the coin you
47:55have expressed publicly recently even on
47:59a podcast yesterday with Sachs in
48:02vigorous debate on the show many times
48:04reservations about Trump and the
48:06character of trump yeah how do you feel
48:10you obviously align with the policies
48:12that he's highlighted and indicated you
48:14you've said so absolutely yeah do you
48:16see past the person or do you still have
48:17a a strong degree of reservation about
48:20the individual and do you see that
48:21playing out in your cohort friends
48:23family what have you that there's strong
48:25reservation because of the character
48:27yeah it's a great question you know I
48:30think the thing we have to do now is
48:31come together as a country he's the
48:33president it's great that it was not a
48:36debatable election and we're not going
48:38to have riots at the capital and people
48:40beating up police officers and now it's
48:43time to actually look at what Trump said
48:46and then we will grade him on what he
48:48actually gets done and and you know if
48:50he is able to hang out with the cohort
48:55of Elon and chamath and Sachs and JD
48:59Vance I feel a lot better about it now
49:01there's a lot of people speculating he
49:03will turn on shth he will turn on Sachs
49:06he will turn on Elon and that
49:08relationship will end in the next year
49:09or two that's what I'm looking at Will
49:11trump actually do the things he says
49:14he's going to do and what did he say he
49:16was going to do well he's not going to
49:18have a National Abortion man he's not
49:20going to have kick people out who get
49:23college degrees here remember he said on
49:24the show he's going to staple the green
49:25guard to it and but then there's other
49:28and he said he's going to end the
49:29Ukraine the war in Ukraine on day one so
49:33let's make a list of all the things he
49:34promised and like anybody else let's
49:37judge him based on what he gets done now
49:40some of the things he promised like the
49:42mass deportation of 15 million people I
49:44think a lot of people even on this
49:46podcast probably don't agree with I
49:48don't think anybody here wants to see 15
49:50million people who came here to have a
49:53better life and who are working hard and
49:55who are productive m MERS of our society
49:58literally get dragged out of here the
50:00the 500,000 that are criminals or a
50:02million sure nobody wants to see them uh
50:05get a free pass here but you know
50:07there's going to be some of the items on
50:09his agenda that are going to be very
50:11uncomfortable to see executed and some
50:13of them would be amazing and miracles if
50:15he comes in and all of a sudden Ukraine
50:18war is settled fantastic if he starts
50:20dragging a million people
50:23every you know two or three months out
50:26of the country
50:27that could be absolutely
50:29disastrous and incredibly hard to watch
50:32happen in America so we got a judgment
50:34based on his actions that's great let's
50:36give him the support he needs and I
50:38really hope you know the thing that
50:39gives me hope is the fact that saak
50:41chamath Elon and JD Vance are by his
50:44side so I'm goingon to move on to the
50:46rest of the election the other races so
50:48so the presidency we've talked about
50:51let's talk about the house and the
50:52Senate sacks in the house there's 37
50:55races that have yet to be called but it
50:58looks like the Republicans need about 12
51:01more to be called to have a majority it
51:04seems very likely I mean ACC according
51:05to poly Market it's 99% that the
51:08Republicans will have the majority in
51:09the house the Republicans have control
51:11of the Senate and Trump is in the White
51:14House what are the top policy items that
51:18the Republicans will pursue with this
51:21degree of legislative and executive
51:24control what's number 1 two3 on the list
51:27what's top priority and how are they
51:28kind of getting together to figure out
51:31what and how to
51:32execute those items in the in the weeks
51:35and months after January
51:3720th well so first of all I think the
51:39Senate majority matters a lot in terms
51:41of trump getting the appointments that
51:42he wants because if he was just at 51
51:46let's call it it would be quite hard
51:49Susan Collins and Lisa marowski tend to
51:53be very very moderate uh Republicans and
51:57would oppose I think a lot of
51:58conservative appointments Trump's
52:00already at 53 senators and there's two
52:03more that are still up for grabs and
52:05waiting to be counted so he might get to
52:0754 in the next week or so it just means
52:09he's going to have a Freer range on
52:11appointments I think that'd be really
52:12good for for uh Bobby Kennedy I think it
52:15might be harder to get Bobby Kennedy
52:17confirmed for a major cabinet post with
52:2051 with 53 54 I think we get there I
52:23think that's a really great thing for
52:24the country there's other appointment
52:26appointments in a similar vein that I
52:27think it be easier for for Trump to get
52:30through in terms of the rest of the
52:32agenda I mean Trump clearly does want to
52:34end the war in Ukraine is he going to be
52:36able to do it on day one no I mean I
52:38don't think that's realistic because
52:40frankly the ukrainians are not willing
52:43to make the concessions yet they're not
52:45in a place where they're willing to make
52:46a deal I still think that what Trump was
52:49saying during the campaign if you look
52:51at it as expression of his motivations
52:53and where his sentiments are coming from
52:55they were good sentiment but if he can't
52:57solve it on day one because the
52:58ukrainians don't want to make a deal I
53:00can't really fault him for that but I
53:01think he'll try I think that on Doge
53:05there's clearly a strong desire of many
53:08in the Republican party and Elon and the
53:11people that Elon brought with him for
53:13major government reform much more
53:15efficiency much less spending I think
53:18that we have to get as much of that past
53:20as possible in the first certainly the
53:22first year there's a necessity for
53:24legislative action to get all the cuts
53:27in federal spending that they're looking
53:28to cut is that right Sach so if if
53:31elon's objective is cut trilon there
53:33might be some things you can just do
53:34through executive orders and they should
53:36do as much as they can but I think you
53:38do need some congressional action as
53:39well this is an area where it's just
53:41going to be really hard because spending
53:44is a bipar and problem and it's going to
53:46be really hard to jam through the type
53:50of deep reform that we really should
53:53have at the federal level but I think
53:55that now there's a shock because Trump
53:57does have majorities in the House and
53:59Senate that he can at least get
54:01something through so at least we have a
54:02shot of getting something done there are
54:04we going to get two trillion in Cuts
54:06Like Elon wants I would love that I
54:09doubt you're going to be able to pass
54:10that through Congress but do you start
54:12with that number and then work your way
54:13down to a number that you can get both
54:16parties to support maybe that's possible
54:18hopefully I would have started I would
54:19have started with three
54:21then but I mean that's just my that's
54:23just my tactic but whatever but I think
54:25reforming the bureau is just such a huge
54:28theme coming out of this election and we
54:31just have to figure out how to get that
54:32done got the Mandate we have the Mandate
54:35that's Trump's mandate and the the
54:37federal government is such a large
54:39sprawling it is the largest organization
54:41on earth except for maybe the CCP and in
54:44that sense you really have to have
54:47leverage in leadership to be able to
54:49realize that degree of action at that
54:51scale so the cabinet positions matter a
54:54lot to realize that agenda is that is
54:56that fair to say chth and you know maybe
54:58we can talk a little bit about who are
55:01the the folks in the orbit of Donald
55:03Trump and the transition team that are
55:06being considered for different cabinet
55:08posts and you know as an adviser or as a
55:11let's call you a theoretical adviser uh
55:13to the transition
55:14team what are the kind of key posts that
55:17matter to you how would you kind of
55:18advise them who to look for that could
55:20really realize the outcome that the
55:22Mandate is dictating well I I have no
55:26influence on this process so I'm just
55:28totally spitballing but right people who
55:30I think
55:32are who I think are excellent I'm going
55:35to put Bobby Kennedy right at the top of
55:36the
55:37list I think that Bobby has an
55:39opportunity to allow the transparency of
55:43information that will allow folks to
55:47keep doing what we've done or to change
55:50course in a way that right now I think
55:53is a little bit more difficult than it
55:55needs to be
55:56I think Vive
55:58ramaswami is indefatigable I think he's
56:03a you know if you remember back to the
56:05Republican primaries there was only one
56:07person that did not attack Donald Trump
56:09and it was viic I think he um believed
56:12in what Donald Trump was doing and was
56:15willing to sort of embrace and extend
56:16this idea so I think he'd be a really
56:18good proxy I don't know what role that
56:20looks like but I just think that he
56:21would be exing there's some rumors that
56:25he's going to run for governor Ohio but
56:26he'd be amazing in the federal
56:27government tulsy gabard we got to get
56:30there yeah yeah I just just to go
56:32through the list I think tulsy gabard is
56:34so awesome for what role what would you
56:37put her in you know the rumor is is
56:40Veteran Affairs yeah Veteran Affairs but
56:42you know hopefully it's at least that
56:45yeah that's a cabinet position right
56:47just for those who you know there's
56:48another race that's going on that's
56:49really below the surface but is
56:51extremely important and that is the new
56:53Senate Majority Leader MIT Mitch
56:55McConnell says he stepping aside there's
56:57two major C th versus Mike Lee yeah well
57:00it's it's John th versus Corin from
57:02Texas and Mike Lee has been sort of
57:05agitating it's not clear that Mike Lee
57:07will throw his hat in the ring if he did
57:09I would be all in favor of it if Mike
57:12Lee who is from Utah doesn't we should
57:14really go with whoever he recommends I
57:16really trust that Mike Lee will
57:18represent the Maga agenda whereas quite
57:21frankly the other candidates will be a
57:23continuation of Mitch and this Trump's
57:26moment to weigh in on that he's basking
57:29in the glow right now he is in the
57:32winter Circle he can get anything
57:35through the Republican caucus and I
57:38think that he could weigh in right now
57:39in the Senate majority race and make
57:41sure the right person gets it if you get
57:44a continuation of Mitch McConnell you
57:46will not get real reform through the
57:47Senate look at what happened during
57:49Trump one Mitch McConnell was one of
57:51Trump's biggest opponents so there would
57:54be Alternatives but I think Trump would
57:56have to step in and act there's some
57:58talk about Rick Scot from Florida being
57:59a candidate I think he'd be very good if
58:01he's still in the race or just go right
58:04over the top and go with a Mike Lee this
58:06is your moment to basically put in a
58:09loyalist and then the big cabinet
58:11positions that are left I think defense
58:13probably somebody like Rick grenell
58:15who's already worked for Trump and was
58:18the dni right at the end I
58:20think and then in treasury it's you know
58:23I think people say it's between scottt
58:25bessent and
58:28John
58:29Paulson I'm not so sure I don't know fed
58:31Governor I think it's like probably
58:33hasal but then you know I saw like you
58:35saw Jerome pal Jerome pal this morning
58:37said he would not step aside if asked to
58:39resign by Donald Trump no he's got two
58:41more years so he's got until 26 he's got
58:43until mid 26 so you know I mean the
58:45rumor I don't want to say too much but I
58:47think this is pretty much out there I
58:48think reyell wants State not defense I
58:50think that it's not to say he's going to
58:52get it I don't know but that's been out
58:54there for a long time I I think that
58:56what a lot of people in let's call it
58:59the Maga movement the America first
59:00movement are going to be looking at very
59:02closely is do neocons worm their way
59:07into this Administration look at what
59:09happened during Trump one he ran in
59:11opposition to Forever Wars I think was a
59:13major part of his appeal it's what
59:15allowed him to shatter the bush Dynasty
59:17it's what I think really hurt kamla in
59:19terms of having the Chinese Embrace her
59:22so it's a major part of his I'd say not
59:25just appeal but also his legacy that he
59:28will not continue forever Wars but the
59:29problem is that the blob keeps
59:33infiltrating the Trump Administration or
59:35they did they infiltrated Trump one by
59:37putting in John Bolton and esper and all
59:39these guys who frankly betrayed Trump
59:42totally so I think a lot of people are
59:43looking closely at will neocons be able
59:45to worm their way into this
59:47Administration and if they do it's a
59:49very it would be very very sad I think
59:51the difference this time around which is
59:53so incredible is that you're now seeing
59:56on
59:57X people asking all the neocons to be
1:00:00named and shamed and they're creating
1:00:02these lists so that they can't worm
1:00:03their way in it's the most incredible
1:00:05thing I've ever seen where have you
1:00:08espoused those views in the past if so
1:00:10the likelihood that somebody will raise
1:00:14an alarm Bell now on the so that you
1:00:16can't get near this
1:00:18Administration I've never seen anything
1:00:20like that before actually yeah and you
1:00:21know what here's the great danger is you
1:00:23look at the last few months okay who was
1:00:26there for trump it was people like Elon
1:00:28it was basically you know all of us who
1:00:30worked and look I'm a very minor minor
1:00:33figure but I did my little part and
1:00:35there were a lot of other people on the
1:00:37ground doing their thing but where is
1:00:38Elon today Elon had to fly home for a
1:00:41Tesla board meeting he's got real
1:00:42companies to run and who all of a sudden
1:00:44shows up in maral Lago the swamp
1:00:46creatures they were nowhere to be found
1:00:48for the last three months now the swamp
1:00:50creatures come crawling out and they're
1:00:52going to be swarming Mara Lago and
1:00:53trying to worm their way into the
1:00:54administration and that's that's the the
1:00:57issue is we got to keep you know this is
1:00:59where I I hope that all the the Maga
1:01:02influencers Stay Frosty and stay
1:01:05involved we have to consolidate this
1:01:07Victory and get reform type people in
1:01:10the administration not just the usual
1:01:13type people from Washington would you
1:01:15serve if asked no I mean look I I've
1:01:18already said before I'm the key manic
1:01:19craft I can't do that but you know look
1:01:21I would do something part-time meaning
1:01:23if it wasn't a full-time job if I didn't
1:01:25have to leave my current job if it was
1:01:26just serving on some advisory committee
1:01:29or something that that was compatible
1:01:31with my current job I would do that
1:01:33that's a no-brainer I would love
1:01:35absolutely if not full-time because I'm
1:01:37running a company but yeah if there was
1:01:39the opportunity to help basically just
1:01:41put me on the Doge committee sacks if
1:01:43you wouldn't mind I just want to go like
1:01:45line item by line item in one afternoon
1:01:47and I'm out of there like I'm just gonna
1:01:48go did say this today but he said The A
1:01:51Team are running companies we're all
1:01:53we're all running companies but if asked
1:01:56to serve especially in a part-time
1:01:59capacity where you don't have to divest
1:02:01everything you own and you can actually
1:02:02just go and call and actually
1:02:04just make sure good decisions get made
1:02:06it would be an honor to serve in that
1:02:08capacity yeah I think everybody should
1:02:10have given a chance I want to say one
1:02:12thing just to build on yeah and then I
1:02:13want to ask you one more question sham
1:02:15go ahead I do want
1:02:16to give a shout out to Elon and in one
1:02:19very specific way you know you've heard
1:02:22all these stories where he gets obsessed
1:02:25about something
1:02:26and then he focuses on it at the sake of
1:02:30everything else and strips it down and
1:02:33gets to First principles rebuilds it
1:02:36back up and it
1:02:37works and as far as I can tell basically
1:02:40when he decided that this election was
1:02:42going to come down to
1:02:46Pennsylvania on one hand and young men
1:02:51on the
1:02:52other he just kept doing that one thing
1:02:57over and over and over again every time
1:03:01you turned on X he was doing a rally
1:03:04crazy he was speaking to the residents
1:03:07of Pennsylvania and spent like two weeks
1:03:09there young disaffected voters and
1:03:12getting them out and then his pack built
1:03:16an
1:03:17infrastructure that rivaled the
1:03:19Democratic infrastructure in terms of
1:03:21get out the vote and
1:03:22transation with a lot less money and
1:03:25only a month or two is is incredible
1:03:29well and then the sweet Stakes was also
1:03:32inred it's really really incred there
1:03:34was a lot of controversy around the
1:03:35sweepstakes idea I don't know why that
1:03:37was so controversial because if you
1:03:39think about that was the media trying to
1:03:41make an issue that was a nothing Burger
1:03:43a burger yeah and so they you know I
1:03:45think this is where it was dismissed on
1:03:47its face because if any person spent
1:03:49eight seconds understanding the law the
1:03:52the the judge dismissed it within an
1:03:53hour so you know if we look at that
1:03:55million
1:03:56sweep Stakes to sign up for his pack if
1:03:58you think about how people normally uh
1:04:01get people to sign up they're paying a
1:04:03dollar a click probably $50 a click
1:04:05whatever it is using giving money to ABC
1:04:08or giving money to Facebook and he just
1:04:10said hey I'll just do a sweep stake sign
1:04:11up for this and then I have you in the
1:04:13database and then I can Market it to you
1:04:16there's no difference between giving
1:04:17away a million dollar sweep Stakes or
1:04:19buying a bunch of ads and paying by
1:04:20click and for everybody to frame that as
1:04:23he's buying votes when it was so clear
1:04:25he wasn't
1:04:26I think that's the kind of media
1:04:28manipulation people are getting Savvy to
1:04:29and does not work anymore it was very
1:04:32clear it was just a sweep Stakes to sign
1:04:33up for his pack no different than paying
1:04:36$10 a click to Facebook when the legal
1:04:39infrastructure of America dismisses a
1:04:40case on its face within 60 Minutes of it
1:04:43being heard it means it is a farce yeah
1:04:46I mean look I think what Elon showed is
1:04:49that a smart person can come in who who
1:04:52basically like you said can go into
1:04:54demon mode with how a startup or
1:04:56innovation mentality is willing to spend
1:04:58money but wants to do it smartly but is
1:05:00really hardcore can come in and beat the
1:05:03supposed professionals their own game I
1:05:05think one of the big stories that's
1:05:08going to come out there's already some
1:05:09tea being spilt within Democratic
1:05:11circles about Jen Ali Dylan who was the
1:05:14campaign manager that kamla Harris
1:05:17inherited from Biden she had a billion
1:05:19dollars to spend billion doll the
1:05:21campaign still ended $20 million in debt
1:05:24in debt and this at least has been
1:05:26reported Mone go so well I'll tell you
1:05:28the money went to expensive Consultants
1:05:31they did overly elaborate staged events
1:05:33they did these like fake concerts
1:05:35celebrity cameos supposedly they paid
1:05:37Beyonce $10 million and they didn't even
1:05:39get a song out of it and that ended up
1:05:41you know pissing off she got paid they
1:05:42were paying I don't know if that's true
1:05:44I just read it in a tweet so I I can't
1:05:46say for sure but that's what I read yeah
1:05:49who knows it sounds it sounds suspect
1:05:50but the point is they spent a lot of
1:05:53money on the consultants and you know
1:05:57the events and Elon went after the Amish
1:05:59you know that's like a lot smarter the
1:06:02person on the Democratic side where I
1:06:04feel the most disappointment after all
1:06:06of this is Barack
1:06:09Obama I think he in the period when he
1:06:13was elected to me was just
1:06:16Transcendent and I thought that this is
1:06:19a person that
1:06:21really was immune to getting assimilated
1:06:25into the B and I don't know why I
1:06:27thought that but I did think that and I
1:06:31was just so saddened to see the tone and
1:06:35the rhetoric from Barack Obama during
1:06:37this last home stretch it I think was
1:06:41reputationally very damaging to him what
1:06:43did you say that offended you it was
1:06:45less about it didn't offend me it was
1:06:47just observing or disappointed you the
1:06:50when the rhetoric was you know trying to
1:06:52propagate these lies the very fine
1:06:54people hoax all these things I just
1:06:56thought he's so much smarter than the
1:06:58abortion ban the abortion ban he knows
1:07:00that these things are not true why is he
1:07:03saying objective lies I don't really
1:07:06judge politicians for doing it in
1:07:09general but I never considered him a
1:07:11politician I sort of considered him here
1:07:12just like this Echelon
1:07:14above and I and I was I was really
1:07:17disappointed that he chose to go down
1:07:19that path yeah well I I I could
1:07:21definitely add to that I mean look I
1:07:22think o Obama's whole Mystique was that
1:07:24he transcended into politics and he
1:07:27tried to maintain that position of being
1:07:29above the fry and Let The Grubby
1:07:31business of politics be beneath him and
1:07:34even during the whole coup against Biden
1:07:36I mean they say that Obama signed off he
1:07:38was basically in favor of the the
1:07:40switcheroo to Harris but he was the last
1:07:43person to endorse it right he did not
1:07:44want to be seen as doing the dirty work
1:07:46that was left to Nancy Pelosi but
1:07:48there's no question that the switcheroo
1:07:50I think was was backed by Obama and then
1:07:54he did everything he could to prop of
1:07:56Harris including using the very fine
1:07:57people hoax telling these lies and I I
1:08:00agree chamath I think that he has
1:08:02diminished himself he's brought himself
1:08:04now down to the level of politics down
1:08:06to the level of a average politician
1:08:08right I think probably you're
1:08:10disappointed because you had such a high
1:08:11Benchmark for him but we were just
1:08:13talking about Trump saying he would end
1:08:15the war on day one he said that he's
1:08:18going to deport 15 million people and
1:08:21you know all these politicians lie so I
1:08:23think my closing statement on all of
1:08:26this is y'all were a key part in putting
1:08:29Trump in obviously and if he starts
1:08:34behaving in the way he behaved during
1:08:35his first term the darker things he did
1:08:38I hope that y'all will call him on it
1:08:40and publicly call him on it and that he
1:08:42will steer towards you know his better
1:08:44angels and that's my hope for America
1:08:46and my hope for all of you who helped
1:08:48put him in office and played a very
1:08:50significant role in getting him here
1:08:51when he does something crazy if he does
1:08:54try to drag 15 million people out the
1:08:55the country is that okay with you sex
1:08:58well you said that he would start with a
1:08:59million of people 500,000 to a million
1:09:01who are clear criminals he should do
1:09:03that what JD said and we all agree yeah
1:09:05JD said that the way you about the other
1:09:0714 he said that the way that you do
1:09:09deportations is the same way you eat an
1:09:11elephant you do it one bite at a time
1:09:13eat a sandwich so the way you eat an
1:09:15elephant is you do one bite at a time
1:09:17let's start with the biggest criminals
1:09:19the biggest people who shouldn't be here
1:09:20and then let's see what happens after
1:09:21that and look if he went 14 million what
1:09:24would you you be in support of that I we
1:09:27haven't gotten there yet the point is
1:09:28you take the first bite of the sandwich
1:09:29then you talk about the second bite but
1:09:31there was a line from the 2016 election
1:09:33about Trump that I think was attributed
1:09:34to Peter teal which is very important
1:09:36which is that Trump should be taken
1:09:38seriously but not
1:09:40literally sometimes when he expresses a
1:09:42policy or a point of view he sells it so
1:09:45when he says I'm going to end the
1:09:46Ukraine war on day one does that mean
1:09:49he's literally going to do it on day one
1:09:50no what it means is he's going to try
1:09:52really hard to end the Ukraine war if he
1:09:54does it on day 365 of his presidency
1:09:57instead of day one I'm not going to come
1:09:59out and say he lied he didn't do what he
1:10:01said no I'm going to say he got the job
1:10:02done he did what he said he was going to
1:10:04do so I think it's very important to
1:10:06judge him in that way when he says I'm
1:10:08going to deport 15 million people do I
1:10:10expect him to do all 15 million not
1:10:12necessarily but if he closes the Border
1:10:15builds the wall seals it so it's no
1:10:17longer a problem and deports 500,000 to
1:10:19a million hardcore criminals out of this
1:10:21country I'm going to say that was a
1:10:23massive success and you know what's
1:10:24going to happen Legacy me is going say
1:10:26well he lied because he didn't Deport
1:10:27the other 14.2 million come on let
1:10:31understand let's understand the
1:10:32difference between camping and governing
1:10:35I agree with all that and I do think if
1:10:38he does try to do the 14 million that's
1:10:39the thing I have concerns about got it
1:10:41okay freeberg over to you so let's talk
1:10:43about the cabinet positions chamath a
1:10:45guy like RFK Jr has never held an
1:10:47executive position before you and others
1:10:50on this panel saaks J myself we''ve all
1:10:54kind of managed large groups of people
1:10:55we've all been in positions of being a
1:10:57CEO of a business you talk a lot about
1:11:00bringing in The Outsiders and the Trump
1:11:01campaign talks a lot about bringing
1:11:02these Outsiders sexs begrudgingly
1:11:05highlights the swamp creatures emerging
1:11:07to ask for those slots and those
1:11:08positions because they are lifelong
1:11:11politicians and bureaucrats how do we
1:11:13have trust and faith or do you think
1:11:15that that's the whole point is that you
1:11:17have folks that don't have the
1:11:18experience to run these organizations
1:11:20that don't have the insights on who
1:11:21actually works there on how they operate
1:11:23and them coming in is going to provide
1:11:25enough of a fresh perspective and things
1:11:27up enough that that's exactly the point
1:11:30and like talk a little bit about
1:11:31bringing in Outsiders but Outsiders that
1:11:33can be effective in transforming these
1:11:35government agencies not just blowing
1:11:37them up or is the goal to blow them
1:11:39up no again I would I would just temper
1:11:43and tone down that rhetoric there's not
1:11:45nobody's blowing up anything but I think
1:11:47step one is going to be a level of
1:11:50transparency so that doing the obvious
1:11:53becomes obvious and I think that if you
1:11:55look back over 40 or 50 years what has
1:11:58happened is that secretaries and
1:12:00political appointments have gone from
1:12:03get the best person in the job because
1:12:04they know it to here's political Peola
1:12:07if you will and I think the pendulum has
1:12:10swung to two far of an extreme that's
1:12:12why the Swamp People are able to
1:12:14maintain control because the person
1:12:17above them who's appointed doesn't
1:12:18fundamentally know the inner workings of
1:12:20the
1:12:20organization I suspect what you're going
1:12:23to see is a radical push to
1:12:25transparency and I think that when you
1:12:27combine transparency and SX called for
1:12:29this a version of the Twitter files for
1:12:31the government I do think you're going
1:12:33to see that but if you combine that push
1:12:36to transparency with a handful of topics
1:12:39you know by the way we introduced a long
1:12:41time ago this idea of zerob based
1:12:43budgeting into the Lexicon and language
1:12:45of these political candidates that they
1:12:46used all the way through to the Finish
1:12:48Line I do believe the Republicans
1:12:51earnestly mean it and so I think when
1:12:53you put these two things together
1:12:55freeberg I think what you will have is
1:12:58all of this laid be and then I think
1:13:01it'll start a debate on what to do and I
1:13:02think the the decisions about what to do
1:13:06will be so blindingly obvious the lwh
1:13:08hanging fruit will save this country
1:13:11once we pluck it can can I say a word
1:13:14about I I think it's so important for
1:13:17Bobby Kennedy to be confirmed in
1:13:18whatever c a position that he's going to
1:13:20get number one you know we look back the
1:13:23campaign now and it seems obvious that
1:13:25Trump was going to win it but at the
1:13:26time that Bobby Kennedy came on board
1:13:28that was a major factor in shifting
1:13:31momentum towards Trump so that's number
1:13:34one number two we need to keep Bobby
1:13:36Kennedy's Coalition as part of our
1:13:39movement it's not just about what he did
1:13:41in this last election it's keeping all
1:13:43of those people those young people and
1:13:45those former Democrats on side and part
1:13:48of the Republican Party in the Maga
1:13:49movement and number three he's genuinely
1:13:52going to reform that huge part of the
1:13:54bureaucracy
1:13:55and that's extremely important we need
1:13:57Outsiders to come in and shake things up
1:13:59he's right about the regulatory capture
1:14:01he's right about the marriage of state
1:14:03power and corporate greed let's have
1:14:06someone go in there who's got fresh eyes
1:14:08but also understands how the bureaucracy
1:14:10works because he's litigated and shake
1:14:12things up if you look at what Bobby
1:14:14posted to Instagram Nick I don't know if
1:14:16you can find it but it was pretty
1:14:18telling on this dimension
1:14:21of the first inning is going to be about
1:14:24absolute radical transparency and
1:14:26sharing with the American people
1:14:28everything that's been that's been under
1:14:29the covers by the way it's not just on
1:14:32that Dimension right we're going to see
1:14:34the Epstein files we're going to see the
1:14:36Diddy lists we're going to see the JFK
1:14:39file I know that these things are sort
1:14:40of Fringe conspiracy theory type things
1:14:42for some people but the point is from
1:14:45Pillar To Post that first phase of this
1:14:48radical truth seeking
1:14:50transparency is an incredible
1:14:52disinfectant that you can build from and
1:14:54he told the FDA I think something to the
1:14:56effect of pack your bags and keep your
1:14:58records now let's let's take the
1:15:00hyperbolic part of it out but it's the
1:15:03keep your records part that should be
1:15:04valuable because we deserve to have
1:15:07answers now when you think at the same
1:15:10time that you have inventions like AI
1:15:12that can crunch every single piece of
1:15:15data Under the Sun and tell you the
1:15:16absolute truth imagine when you put
1:15:19transparency and the government sharing
1:15:21incredible amounts of information with
1:15:24the compute power that the Googles and
1:15:25the Facebooks and the and the open a
1:15:27eyes of the world are creating you'll
1:15:30know these answers to all of these
1:15:32questions vaccines are they good or bad
1:15:34when how fluoride is it good or bad when
1:15:37how all of these drugs that have been
1:15:39approved why all of these drugs that
1:15:41have not been approved why you're going
1:15:43to start to see some really interesting
1:15:45things has there been research on the
1:15:47impacts of food on physiology were they
1:15:49suppressed were they not suppressed so I
1:15:51think phase one is get it all out into
1:15:55the open totally and and what I what I
1:15:58said just what what shth referred to is
1:16:00yeah I said we should do Twitter files
1:16:02for the whole federal government just
1:16:04what I meant by that is remember before
1:16:06Elon bought Twitter they told us for
1:16:09years that the idea that Twitter was
1:16:12shadowbanning conservatives and engaging
1:16:14in censorship was a conspiracy theory
1:16:17then Elon opened up the Twitter files
1:16:18and we saw that it was all true and
1:16:21moreover that the government was engaged
1:16:23in censorship they been working hand in
1:16:26glove with the trust and safety
1:16:27department the FBI had logins they could
1:16:29just go in themselves I me crazy the FBI
1:16:31had their own tool called teleport which
1:16:33would allow them to transmit secret
1:16:35instructions to the trust and safety
1:16:37team at Twitter and they were censoring
1:16:38based on those instructions that's
1:16:40completely unacceptable Twitter
1:16:42management lied about it the government
1:16:43lied about it we only found out through
1:16:45the Twitter files let's do a Twitter
1:16:47files for the federal government what do
1:16:49you think we're going to find out what
1:16:50do you think we' find out about covid
1:16:53what do you think really happened there
1:16:54if Bobby Kennedy can do that the lies
1:16:57they told us incompleteness of the
1:16:59actual clinical validation studies the
1:17:02authorizations and the waivers that were
1:17:05secured how good or how brittle or how
1:17:07fragile was that data by the way I think
1:17:10what we what it'll also do freeberg is
1:17:12if if it looks like this data is
1:17:14actually of extreme high quality you
1:17:16know what that does it reestablishes
1:17:18trust in that institution which is also
1:17:20a win so this whole thing is a
1:17:23win-win well and well let's not forget
1:17:27the foil leader they were literally
1:17:29being taught how to route around fou
1:17:32Team how to route around subpoenas and
1:17:35people looking for information I mean
1:17:37there's a lot to uncover here I'm 100%
1:17:40here for it yeah so just to be clear
1:17:42there there's a there's a there's a law
1:17:43in the United States called the Freedom
1:17:44of Information Act the Foya uh is kind
1:17:47of a common term and it gives the power
1:17:50and authority to individual citizens and
1:17:52and third party agencies to have a check
1:17:55and balance on the federal government
1:17:56that they can go in they can request
1:17:58actual data actual files and it is all
1:18:01necessarily available to the public at
1:18:04any time except for classified
1:18:06information okay well the federal
1:18:08government now over classifies
1:18:10everything we have something like what
1:18:11like a billion classified documents they
1:18:13literally classify everything so through
1:18:15the foyer process thirdparty lawyers and
1:18:18nonprofits have made requests to federal
1:18:20agencies to get access to this sort of
1:18:22information and I've done it I don't
1:18:24know if you guys have ever use foyer
1:18:25powers for information from the federal
1:18:27government I had to do foyer requests 10
1:18:29years ago to get weather data or 15
1:18:31years ago for my startup climate it was
1:18:33the only way we were able to get access
1:18:35to a bunch of weather data was through
1:18:36foyer requests and then we were able to
1:18:37use the that data in our services
1:18:39because it is public data the taxpayers
1:18:41pay for it so we had a right to it
1:18:43similarly you can make foyer requests of
1:18:45emails and uh inter agency
1:18:47Communications and so on but SX I think
1:18:50it seems and jcal to your point about
1:18:52the foil lady there may over time have
1:18:55been some degree of Corruption of the
1:18:56foyer process in all of these agencies
1:18:59which has made it more difficult for
1:19:01individuals and third parties to have
1:19:02the appropriate checks and balances on
1:19:04the data in these agencies because of
1:19:06the way they've kind of officiated
1:19:07access slowed down the process sometimes
1:19:09it takes months for them to respond to
1:19:11you and it's become quite difficult so
1:19:12the Foy the intention of the Freedom of
1:19:14Information Act may have been hindered
1:19:17by by the bureaucracy this will not be
1:19:19through for let me make one other
1:19:20suggestion is we need a massive
1:19:23declassification effort of the federal
1:19:25government maybe this is the way to
1:19:26actually implement the Twitter files
1:19:28strategy is the problem is we have a
1:19:31massive over classification problem
1:19:33billions of documents been classify at
1:19:35the federal government why because those
1:19:37bureaucracies know that they can kind of
1:19:39do whatever they want and kind of work
1:19:41in peace without having to disclose what
1:19:43they're really doing if they just Mark
1:19:44classified on a document someone needs
1:19:47to go through that and start massively
1:19:49declassifying and if they do that then
1:19:51there'll be a lot more documents
1:19:52available to foyer requests so that
1:19:55right there would be a huge help and
1:19:56then like you said the foyer process
1:19:58could be tightened up it could be a lot
1:20:00faster could be a lot easier and they
1:20:02should not be able to circumvent it by
1:20:04doing the kind of stuff that Jal
1:20:05referred to during covid where they were
1:20:08like deliberately misspelling
1:20:10words Aster in you know hacker speak in
1:20:13order to avoid this and they were also
1:20:16told a bunch of people who are in
1:20:19three-letter agencies just by default
1:20:22put this at the highest level of
1:20:23security not to be disass Declassified
1:20:27so they unnecessarily put everything in
1:20:29classified and so
1:20:32now every email is marked at the highest
1:20:35level of classification which means
1:20:37there's no Discerning it and if you were
1:20:39to blame an FBI agent if they told you
1:20:41hey just put everything on classified so
1:20:43it doesn't get out okay that seems like
1:20:45a pretty good way to cover your ass and
1:20:47that's got to change yeah well a lot a
1:20:49lot to to come in the weeks ahead I'm
1:20:51sure we will do more updates as the
1:20:53cabinet position
1:20:55you're a man of science I know you have
1:20:57some differences with RFK do you want I
1:21:00have very deep trepidation about RFK
1:21:02having oversight I think the authority
1:21:05might be limited with respect to the
1:21:08legislative Authority that's vested by
1:21:10the Congress which is the the one piece
1:21:12I I look I mean as you guys know there's
1:21:13a lot that RFK brings up that I very
1:21:16that that resonates with me I I'm not a
1:21:18black and white guy so there are things
1:21:20that he says that make a lot of sense
1:21:21there are things I've pointed out
1:21:23particularly around microplastic in the
1:21:25environment particular around chemistry
1:21:26that we use in our food and our systems
1:21:28of food and production and I I believe
1:21:30very strongly that we have real issues
1:21:32that have you know compounding effects
1:21:35on our health so let let me not be be
1:21:38too flippant about that I am not a all
1:21:40vaccines are always good all the time
1:21:42person I think that every one of them
1:21:43needs to be studied on the merits and
1:21:44the risks I think fluoride is is an
1:21:46interesting conversation to have what
1:21:48are the merits what are the risks and
1:21:49why is it a federal why is there Federal
1:21:52authority over fluide and water which by
1:21:54the way there isn't it's it's all local
1:21:55municipalities get to decide on a
1:21:57nuanced basis then net net where do you
1:21:59wind up freeberg net net where do you
1:22:01wind up I will say that there are a
1:22:02number of things that RFK have said that
1:22:03that caused me a lot of trouble that
1:22:05that I'm very troubled by because I
1:22:07think that he has said things that are
1:22:08factually wrong and I want him to be
1:22:10open to debate and open to review of
1:22:13objective truth and that's it and that's
1:22:14it and as long as do you like him as a
1:22:19disinfectant as a rabble Rouser as to
1:22:21shake up the system or netn net do you
1:22:23think it's too risky to let him in
1:22:24generally I think all these systems
1:22:26should be challenged 100% okay so you
1:22:28want to send him in you say you want him
1:22:30to be open to debate I I personally have
1:22:32never seen a candidate for office who's
1:22:34been more open to discourse debate
1:22:37interviews than Bobby Kennedy's done
1:22:38everything he's been on this show twice
1:22:40classifying him otherwise I'm not
1:22:42classifying otherwise you know who is
1:22:43not open to debate and discourse and
1:22:45transparency is a bureaucracy that's the
1:22:48problem if you want government reform
1:22:50you have to get into the bureaucracy you
1:22:52need Outsiders to come in you need make
1:22:54it transparent you got to
1:22:57declassify that's what you got to do one
1:22:59of the most important aspects of science
1:23:01not the the recently Legacy Media or
1:23:04jokingly definition of quotequote
1:23:06science but science is meant to be a
1:23:08process of skepticism interrogation and
1:23:11the search for objective truth which
1:23:12means that you should be constantly
1:23:14questioning whether you are right or
1:23:16wrong and I do think that that is a
1:23:18necessary part of the process of science
1:23:20science is not meant to be a dictatorial
1:23:22regime and so I think that setting the
1:23:25framework for how we operate some of the
1:23:28agencies and authorities that are
1:23:30supposed to be rooted in science to have
1:23:32the necessary process of skepticism
1:23:35review and transparency into that I
1:23:38think will re reassert faith and
1:23:40reassert trust by the public in how
1:23:42these agencies are operating and I hope
1:23:44that that happens I I really do because
1:23:46I do think that there are very good
1:23:47people in all these agencies who do very
1:23:49good work and there's a lot of very
1:23:51important advances that have come out of
1:23:52the United States of America and have
1:23:54have gone through processes through the
1:23:55federal government that have actually
1:23:57done really great things for Americans
1:23:59and for Humanity and so I don't want us
1:24:01to dismiss things as being Whimsical
1:24:03bureaucracies that that don't have any
1:24:04rooting in science but I do think that
1:24:06it's important to have this degree of
1:24:07skepticism and process and have
1:24:08transparency so that's all
1:24:11well I'd like you to show me in the
1:24:13Constitution where the bureaucracy or
1:24:16the administrative state is a branch of
1:24:18the government I see in the Constitution
1:24:20that we are supposed to be ruled by an
1:24:22executive branch a islative branch and a
1:24:25judicial branch I do not see hold on I
1:24:27do not see an administrative branch that
1:24:29has sprung into into existence over the
1:24:32last several decades yep and it rules us
1:24:36there's roughly three million people who
1:24:37work for the federal government of those
1:24:39the president basically appoints 3,000
1:24:42and it takes forever to get them through
1:24:43yeah so we have roughly three million
1:24:45people who don't report to anyone
1:24:47nominally they're supposed to report to
1:24:49the executive branch but the president
1:24:51can't fire him we talked about in the
1:24:53previous show if Elon had gone into
1:24:55Twitter and he hadn't been allowed to
1:24:57fire anyone do you think he could have
1:24:59restored free speech to Twitter of
1:25:01course not they just would have kept
1:25:02doing whatever they wanted to do and
1:25:04that is the big problem in the federal
1:25:05government right now is we are ruled by
1:25:07a fourth branch of government that is
1:25:09not in the Constitution that doesn't
1:25:11report to anybody it is not subject to
1:25:14elections we can't vote them out and we
1:25:17can't fire them and they have been in
1:25:18the Forefront of trying to stop Trump
1:25:21and the larger Reform movement that he
1:25:23represents ever since Trump got elected
1:25:25in 2016 remember it was members of the
1:25:28administrative State specifically the
1:25:30security State who said don't worry
1:25:31we're going to be the insurance policy
1:25:33against Trump and they have done
1:25:35everything possible through the rushia
1:25:37gate hoax through laare through yeah the
1:25:39whole steel dosier hoax to basically try
1:25:42and stop Trump and the reform movement
1:25:45that he represents and the big question
1:25:46of Trump's second term will be whether
1:25:48he can finally subdue this bureaucracy
1:25:51and bring it under Democratic control
1:25:53under the control the executive branch
1:25:55as the American people want and as I
1:25:57think the Constitution intended right
1:25:59now we are run by an unelected branch of
1:26:01government that has to stop and what
1:26:03Trump represents is not dictatorship but
1:26:05democracy the Triumph of democracy over
1:26:08this bureaucracy and a and a big a big
1:26:10important moment for for this movement
1:26:15this
1:26:16return to the fundamentals of what was
1:26:19vested in the
1:26:20constitution is the Chevon Doctrine case
1:26:23at the Supreme Court earlier this year
1:26:25It reversed the Authority for agencies
1:26:29to create their own rules and
1:26:30regulations that they can then enforce
1:26:32on private Enterprise and if that case
1:26:35carries through and is allowed to be
1:26:37used to support the efforts to
1:26:40deregulate or to De agency what you call
1:26:43kind of the bureaucracy I think it
1:26:45enables a lot of the change that that
1:26:47folks are looking for why should for
1:26:50example some commission be sprung out of
1:26:53you know some assembly being being
1:26:54created and then that commission gets to
1:26:56create their own rules and their own
1:26:57regulations that effectively are law
1:26:59that prevent private citizens and
1:27:01Enterprises from being able to operate
1:27:03and make decisions and I think that was
1:27:04a very important moment for this
1:27:07movement was the the Supreme Court case
1:27:09on the Chevon Doctrine earlier year I
1:27:10don't know if you agree with me on this
1:27:12seems totally agree I think that was an
1:27:13absolute
1:27:14precursor which is it it was insane I
1:27:16mean again you had a Supreme Court
1:27:19ruling that effectively made the
1:27:21administrative State the highest law in
1:27:22the land even though there's no
1:27:24constitutional basis for it so yeah
1:27:26repealing Chevron was definitely half of
1:27:28it and I think the other half of it is
1:27:29going to be whether lawmakers have to
1:27:32pass laws you can't have individual
1:27:33commissions pass laws that's that's the
1:27:35whole point we need bills passed by the
1:27:38Republican Congress that Trump can sign
1:27:40but we also need I think cabinet level
1:27:43appointments who will start to subdue
1:27:45the bureaucracy bring them under control
1:27:47find out what they're doing just give us
1:27:49transparency around what they're doing
1:27:52Twitter file this thing so then we can
1:27:53reform
1:27:54I think that we're going to look back on
1:27:56this era and I think it's going to last
1:27:58about 20 years or so at least which I
1:28:02call a return to
1:28:03originalism we are returning to the
1:28:07founding principles of this startup
1:28:10called America and I think it's
1:28:12incredible I think saak is right there
1:28:14is this unbelievable living
1:28:17document that created this incredible
1:28:20experiment we veered way far away from
1:28:22it it's taken
1:28:25us a lot of courage to get back to that
1:28:29place where now you can actually let
1:28:32that guiding document govern a highly
1:28:36meritocratic country so it's going to be
1:28:39a lot of hard work but my gosh it's just
1:28:40an incredible moment and opportunity
1:28:43everybody should just take a breath and
1:28:46remember that I just like to do a quick
1:28:48survey of some of the local and state
1:28:50elections and and get some reactions I
1:28:52was going to try and talk a little bit
1:28:53about what's going on in San fr Frisco
1:28:54in California I'll just hit on it our
1:28:56friend my friend Daniel lur was it looks
1:28:59like he's going to be the mayor of San
1:29:00Francisco beating out the incumbent
1:29:03mayor London breed
1:29:05Daniel ran on a moderate platform and
1:29:10has an intention of fixing a lot of the
1:29:13operations and inefficiencies in the San
1:29:15Francisco government which has seen a
1:29:17ballooning in budget San Francisco has
1:29:18the highest budget per capita of any
1:29:20city in the United States I think 50%
1:29:22higher than New York with a lower
1:29:24functioning kind of set of Municipal
1:29:26services and there's a lot of
1:29:28opportunity for improvement there this
1:29:29is the first time really important stat
1:29:32first time an outsider has been elected
1:29:33mayor in San Francisco since 1911 every
1:29:37mayor elected since 1911 in San
1:29:39Francisco was an existing government
1:29:43employee or government civil servant so
1:29:45just like what we saw in the federal
1:29:47elections we are seeing an outsider
1:29:48being placed inal office in S I wish I
1:29:51wish I wish Lorie Hardy congrat rations
1:29:54Nick can you show him the
1:29:56Tweet your city has become a dangerous
1:29:58dirty dumpster fire for bad ideas from
1:30:00Libs I hope you do the obvious and be on
1:30:02the side of cops Justice clean streets
1:30:03and meritocracy that's your message to
1:30:05the incoming well yeah I mean he is has
1:30:09been a major proponent you were going to
1:30:12run for mayor one once J I was lobbied I
1:30:16was approached and I was given uh a a
1:30:19lot of support uh seven figures of
1:30:21support to go do it
1:30:24it's a very hard job because the
1:30:26supervisors uh actually run the city and
1:30:28a lot of the supervisors uh like they
1:30:31got booted too no couple of them got
1:30:33booted Dean Preston got booted dopy Dean
1:30:37andp Dean that was big so the the Board
1:30:39of Supervisors has also shifted moderate
1:30:42the mayor is now going to be a moderate
1:30:44Outsider and there's a real opportunity
1:30:46to rebuild and reform San Francisco it's
1:30:48a place that I've called home for 25
1:30:50years it's a place where I operate my
1:30:51business and it feels like a lot of the
1:30:54citizens what
1:30:56hasic I still live there hold on I still
1:31:00I still live there and I do think that
1:31:01it was a big election in terms of
1:31:03improving things in San Francisco so
1:31:04congrats to Daniel lur he's a friend of
1:31:06mine as well you go down to La another
1:31:09big race we booted gasone who was the
1:31:12Soros da who ruined San Francisco and
1:31:15then failed his way up to La was ruining
1:31:16LA and Nathan Hawkman who's uh you know
1:31:20moderate beat him by something like 20
1:31:22points and then like I me mentioned we
1:31:24got prop 36 passed in California by
1:31:27about 70% which reverse from the
1:31:29excesses of Prop 47 which is the was the
1:31:32proposition a decade ago that was passed
1:31:35by then lieutenant governor Gavin and
1:31:37then attorney general kamla Harris to de
1:31:41facto legalize shoplifting so the people
1:31:45of California have had enough of these
1:31:48policies that frankly enable crime
1:31:50enable homelessness enable drug use and
1:31:53they want a correction look even wokes
1:31:56and blue State liberals don't want their
1:31:58cars broken into I mean it's really
1:32:01shocking it's really simple and I mean
1:32:03the crazy thing in Los Angeles with
1:32:05gasone was the a number of people who I
1:32:07know live there now know people in Santa
1:32:10Monica in brenwood in belir where we
1:32:12lived for so many years Sachs have home
1:32:16invasions have started again I mean that
1:32:18is like a real breaking point for it's
1:32:21scary to have your home broken into by a
1:32:23gang right and and you know one one
1:32:26final point on this is that while the
1:32:29people of California resoundingly again
1:32:32over 70% supported prop 36 there was one
1:32:35prominent figure who was opposed to it
1:32:37which was Gavin Newsome he said when he
1:32:39saw early polling I don't know what
1:32:40state I'm living in so you know look the
1:32:43state we're living in Gavin is the one
1:32:46that you created you're the one who gave
1:32:47us these policies you're the one who
1:32:49gave us Prop 47 you're the one who gave
1:32:50us zero bail you're the one who allowed
1:32:53the the Democratic party in California
1:32:55to be taken over by Soros da you've
1:32:57never resisted these policies now you
1:32:59have a choice you can see where the
1:33:00people are at over 70% of California
1:33:03wants a change I'd say on the rest of
1:33:06the country if it's 70% California 90%
1:33:08of the United States must you know is
1:33:11opposed to these soft on crime policies
1:33:13and if you ever have aspirations to be
1:33:16anything more than Governor California
1:33:17you better get on the right side of this
1:33:18issue scks David scks should be the
1:33:21governor of California let's do it
1:33:24no I'm I I am 100% serious it's the
1:33:27fifth largest economy in the
1:33:29world let's do it this is this is this
1:33:31is marked today as the day that I have
1:33:34decided oh that I de has decided that I
1:33:37am going to convince David to be the
1:33:39governor of California I know great
1:33:41campaign manager press secretary for him
1:33:43hype man I will say um I'm just gonna
1:33:46say that David sock would be an
1:33:47incredible governor of Califor I really
1:33:50I'm not a candidate I'm not a c I
1:33:52understand blah BL right now he's lying
1:33:55he said it to me privately there's no
1:33:57rumor I'm just telling you right now
1:33:59that within two years I will have
1:34:00convinced him to do it it'll be the
1:34:02perfect time Gavin Newsome has been
1:34:04terrible for the state we have seen
1:34:07trillions of dollars of market cap exit
1:34:10the state in terms of corporations that
1:34:11have left we have gone from record
1:34:14surpluses to record deficits we have an
1:34:17education system that is failing
1:34:18millions of kids what is going on here
1:34:22we have taxes that are through the the
1:34:23roof and when you spend more and more
1:34:27and more to get less and less and less
1:34:30and it takes more and more out of
1:34:32everybody's
1:34:33pocket what is the answer the answer is
1:34:36you have to fundamentally change
1:34:37everything that's happening from first
1:34:39principles well I will say one more
1:34:41Point um about I will call it balance in
1:34:44the
1:34:46force when uh a party is captured and
1:34:49moves too far in One Direction people
1:34:51leave the party and they vote for the
1:34:53other party
1:34:54and then in order to attract people back
1:34:57to the party they tack to the center my
1:35:00big prediction over the next few years
1:35:02as you will see a more Centrist
1:35:04Democratic party as they try and I'll
1:35:06take the other side and they try and
1:35:08attract they're too I'll take the other
1:35:10side so one one more topic before we W
1:35:13Sacramento SE sax and Sacramento not
1:35:15gonna happen not gonna guys before we
1:35:17WAP there's one other topic that came up
1:35:19in every conversation I had with
1:35:21everyone about Trump that was a female
1:35:23was abortion and it was and and look I
1:35:26don't want to rehash again that it was
1:35:28misrepresented what Trump's position is
1:35:30but abortion has become a very sensitive
1:35:32topic a woman's right to do what she
1:35:34wants to do with her body when she wants
1:35:36to do it is something that that most
1:35:39women feel they are very deeply endowed
1:35:41with and that should be an unalienable
1:35:43right particularly in the United States
1:35:45of America and that even sending this
1:35:47back to States and States voting on it
1:35:50creates a significant emotional response
1:35:52that drives folks to one party the other
1:35:54in Florida voters rejected an abortion
1:35:57extension to 24 weeks Florida previously
1:36:00had a 15we abortion ban but the current
1:36:02six-week ban took effect in May so the
1:36:05amendment that was being proposed on the
1:36:07ballot this week uh would have a cified
1:36:10abortion procedures up to 24 weeks in
1:36:12the state constitution but it needed 60%
1:36:14of the votes to pass but it only got
1:36:1757% so it looks like a loss for a
1:36:21pro-choice Advocates sax what is going
1:36:23to happen now that these abortion laws
1:36:25are being voted on these amendments to
1:36:27state Constitutions are being voted on
1:36:29how is this going to reshape American
1:36:31politics and how are the parties going
1:36:33to shift in the years ahead given how
1:36:35important and how sensitive this this
1:36:37topic has has become after the decision
1:36:40of the Supreme Court recently look I I
1:36:42think that what you're seeing in the
1:36:45last election that we just had is the
1:36:47beginning of the end of the salience of
1:36:49this issue I mean abortion has been an
1:36:51issue that has deeply fragmented America
1:36:53for 50 years I mean the pro-choice
1:36:56versus pro-life movements have been a
1:36:58staple of American politics talking past
1:37:00each other they were never able to get
1:37:02to any sort of compromise with the
1:37:04appeal of roie Wade with the do's
1:37:06decision the issue has now been thrown
1:37:07back to the States and every state is
1:37:09working it out for themselves and in
1:37:11Most states what's happening is it's
1:37:14either the pro-choice totally wins or
1:37:16they compromise on some number of weeks
1:37:18I think that in Florida going for 24
1:37:20weeks might have been a little bit too
1:37:21many if they had tried to go back to 15
1:37:24you know they probably could have gotten
1:37:25there they probably could have gotten
1:37:26from 57 to to 60 but that's what the
1:37:28debate's going to be about now is just
1:37:30basically in red States it's just going
1:37:31to be agree about agreeing on a certain
1:37:33number of weeks Blue states are pretty
1:37:35much going to be pro-choice and you can
1:37:37see that the federal level no one wants
1:37:39to touch this anymore J you raised the
1:37:41point during the the election cycle
1:37:43during the campaign that dos would be
1:37:45crushing for Trump and that women were
1:37:47going to turn out in droves for Harris
1:37:50on the base of this issue that simply
1:37:52did not happen if you look at voter
1:37:54turnout Trump increased his share of the
1:37:57women's vote he did lose college
1:37:59educated women so that subset of you
1:38:01could call it more Progressive yeah
1:38:03sorry College educ older women too I
1:38:05think came out yeah but if you look at
1:38:06women as a whole he won more of their
1:38:08votes so how did Trump inoculate himself
1:38:11on this issue he made it really clear he
1:38:13was not in favor of a national ban he
1:38:15said that he favored the exceptions and
1:38:17that it was now up to the states he
1:38:19basically assured the country the women
1:38:22of the country that again that abortion
1:38:24would not be banned and that was now a
1:38:25local issue and I think the voters of
1:38:27the country including women accepted
1:38:29that and it is now a state issue so so
1:38:32Maryland Missouri I think it's gone
1:38:34Maryland Missouri Nevada Montana
1:38:36Colorado Arizona all voted to codify the
1:38:39right to abortion and remove abortion
1:38:41bans on the other hand Nebraska voted
1:38:43for a ban on abortions after the first
1:38:45trimester and South Dakota voted against
1:38:48a right to abortion so South Dakota
1:38:50prohibits all abortions except when
1:38:52necessary to you're going to end up
1:38:54listen you're even in deep red States
1:38:57like Ohio the pro-choice forces have won
1:38:59these referenda it's just a handful of
1:39:02cases like a very small number where the
1:39:04pro-life have gotten their their way
1:39:07again I think we're at the tail end of
1:39:09this being a salian issue in American
1:39:11politics I think Trump has ended it as a
1:39:13federal issue and it's now going state
1:39:16byst state and in most those States the
1:39:17pro-choice forces are winning I think
1:39:19this issue is over and I think it's over
1:39:21because Republicans know not to touch
1:39:24this jcal you've said it's the it's one
1:39:25of the most important issues of the day
1:39:27several times in the past you said women
1:39:29were going to vote in droves for comma
1:39:30because of the perception that Trump was
1:39:33trying to pass a federal a lot of them
1:39:35did clearly but not enough to swing the
1:39:37election and you know it's going to be
1:39:41you think it's gonna be to the question
1:39:42is Sach right is this GNA stop being an
1:39:45issue and it's now codified in state law
1:39:47and or is this going continue to be
1:39:50states where women will not be able to
1:39:52get an abortion sadly they will not be
1:39:53able to make that decision for
1:39:55themselves that's my personal belief
1:39:56they should be able to make the decision
1:39:57for themselves I'd like to stay out of
1:39:59it but sax is largely right that if you
1:40:02don't if I'm reading it correctly think
1:40:05about it if you're a state and you ban
1:40:07abortion who's going to want to live
1:40:08there you're going to have a lot of
1:40:09people leaving and that's been an issue
1:40:11here in Texas a lot of companies are
1:40:13having a hard time with not only getting
1:40:15women to move here to work at specific
1:40:17companies in Texas but men are a well
1:40:20are not are citing it as a concern so
1:40:23it's going to make it really untenable
1:40:26for an economy you're saying men don't
1:40:28want to work for Tesla or SpaceX because
1:40:30of abortions I have heard many stories
1:40:33about people not wanting to come work at
1:40:35companies in Texas because of this law
1:40:38yes I have heard that from employers I'm
1:40:40not talking about any of Von's companies
1:40:42I don't speak for him
1:40:43obviously but this has been an issue for
1:40:46companies in Texas
1:40:48okay guys this has been a fantastic
1:40:51followup to this week's election I know
1:40:53some people are bitterly disappointed
1:40:55frustrated angry and sad about the
1:40:57future of America and others are deeply
1:40:59optimistic and excited and I think the
1:41:01end of the day it's all gonna be okay
1:41:04and I really do hope that everyone can
1:41:06kind of have constructive conversations
1:41:08about the future we'd all like to build
1:41:10together we do here and uh I really
1:41:13appreciate the friendship with you guys
1:41:15I want to say congratulations to saak
1:41:16and chamath for putting yourselves out
1:41:18there as early as you did in campaigning
1:41:20and promoting Donald Trump I think you
1:41:22guys had a very influential role in
1:41:25moving people for the effort you made
1:41:27and the outcome congratulations more
1:41:29than listen I'll say what I said again
1:41:32he he's a good human being I would
1:41:34encourage you to get to know him
1:41:36yeah just that hold him accountable look
1:41:39if he wants to invite me to Maro to have
1:41:41a veggie burger and fries I'm there I
1:41:43will um I will hang out what no veggie
1:41:46burgers what are you talking about
1:41:47before you go it's my
1:41:49bestg B veggie burgers fake Bobby to ban
1:41:54anything with I know remember all all of
1:41:58your all that stuff is ver don't worry
1:42:00Bears on the menu vegans better learn to
1:42:04find natural sources of protein because
1:42:06the unnatural sources the free market
1:42:07Republicans have decided it's time to go
1:42:09in and ban the market for fake meat
1:42:12because my God we can't introduce fake
1:42:14meat we have to tell you what to eat
1:42:15what to do continues to disregulated
1:42:17your physiology
1:42:19s stop using your moderator privileges
1:42:22to push your agenda free bur take care
1:42:24guys I love you you byee love you guys
1:42:28byebye let your winners
1:42:31ride Rainman
1:42:35David and instead we open source it to
1:42:38the fans and they've just gone crazy
1:42:40with it love you queen
1:42:44[Music]
1:42:48of Besties
1:42:51are that's my take it I your
1:42:55driveway man oh man my habiter will meet
1:42:59me at we should all just get a room and
1:43:01just have one big huge orgy cuz they're
1:43:03all this useless it's like this like
1:43:04sexual tension that they just need to
1:43:06release
1:43:07[Music]
1:43:12somehow we need to get
1:43:18[Music]
1:43:22mer going all in

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