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0:00Oscar did a great introduction where
0:01he's like Trisha is about to meet people
0:02she's bullied online. [laughter]
0:05>> What did you think when Shane
0:06infiltrated the beauty space? [cough]
0:08>> I thought it was fascinating. [laughter]
0:11>> What about that iPad giveaway? [gasps]
0:15[laughter]
0:15>> Let's talk about the iPad.
0:17>> Wake that up.
0:18>> iPad.
0:26>> Her name is Trish. She's got the dish
0:28and all the goss filthy rich [music]
0:30pretty and pink hot topic queen and says
0:32what everybody thinks she's just
0:37[laughter]
0:42camera's going like Chris not Chris
0:45Hansen. Who do I feel like? Who's this?
0:46Like I'm just nervous. You guys have
0:48never been nervous. We're about to meet
0:49for the first time. You said you've met
0:50[music] them. I've met them before.
0:52Butterflies.
0:54God. Someone I've been mean to. I don't
0:56like that. I don't [laughter] have the
0:57feeling.
0:59>> I I know. For no reason.
1:02God. Growth. Growth and change right
1:04here. Growth and change. I'm so nervous.
1:06Okay.
1:07>> Oh my god.
1:08>> I think we should just roll into it,
1:10right?
1:11>> Yeah. Roll.
1:12>> Okay. Great. All right.
1:14>> Make sure.
1:16>> Okay.
1:18>> You guys, we're about to meet
1:21Laura, Lee, and Manny. Am
1:23>> cold open.
1:24>> I I know. I've never seen you like this.
1:26I'm like
1:26>> I know. I get really nervous.
1:27>> You need a band. Are we going to sing?
1:29>> Yeah. Let's get the song going. We
1:30should actually. That would break the
1:31ice more. Okay. I know. We do have a
1:33cold open, you guys. You guys are going
1:34to see. I like when people just go right
1:36into it.
1:36>> It is giving dog show tease.
1:38>> It's giving dog show like, "Hey, come on
1:39out."
1:40>> Oh my gosh. Okay.
1:42>> Trisha seeing people who she bullied
1:44online for the first time.
1:47>> I'm scared. I'm scared. Oh my god.
1:50[screaming]
1:52>> Oh my god. This is so
1:56I was so nervous today.
1:58>> Oh my god. I'm so excited.
2:02>> Oh my gosh. Nice to see you.
2:07>> Crazy. Hi. [screaming]
2:08>> Oh my god.
2:09>> You nice to see you, meet [laughter]
2:11you. Have we met?
2:12>> I mean, do you guys want to share a
2:15chair or do you GUYS
2:18[laughter]
2:19put this here? You can put this here.
2:20Are you guys okay? It's like an office.
2:22She knows it's perfect.
2:22>> This is why I'm afraid to have ON CUZ
2:24I'M LIKE YOU'RE YOU'RE BIG.
2:26>> OH YEAH. PEOPLE THINK THAT I'M LIKE
2:28[laughter] NO, NO. PEOPLE always think
2:29I'm not kidding. I'll meet people and
2:30they're like, "You're so big in person."
2:32I'm like,
2:32>> "Wow, [laughter]
2:33>> I'm This is
2:34>> I'm like, you guys, I used to be obese."
2:36That's
2:38>> That's traumatizing. [laughter]
2:40>> You just triggered me. Thank you.
2:41>> I like big IN A GOOD WAY. YOU'RE SO um
2:44muscular manly.
2:47Can you say that? [laughter]
2:49>> Big ass. You always say that. I'm like
2:50tiny and I'm like
2:51>> when we do our whole week costumes you
2:53can always tell folks how big [laughter]
2:57>> you're like taking the fish.
3:00>> Yeah. Sorry. I don't know. These are
3:01like distracting. People think they're
3:02like Dr. Seuss or something.
3:04>> I was going to say it's like Dr. Seuss.
3:05>> That's so funny. We got them like
3:06created. We had like an artist like do
3:08them for and anyways that was the whole
3:09thing. [laughter]
3:09A mascot for me. Yeah.
3:11>> Even think one thing too. [cough]
3:13[laughter]
3:15>> Okay. ALSO LOVE YOU GUYS. OKAY. WE'RE
3:17just starting right away. Here we are.
3:20I've never seen Trisha more nervous in
3:22my life. She was like scared.
3:24[screaming] I was rolling before. We
3:25never roll before guests come in. I like
3:26roll. I'm so nervous. I feel like I
3:27could throw up. [laughter] I'm so
3:29nervous. Oscar did a great introduction
3:31where he's like Trisha is about to meet
3:32people she's bullied online. [laughter]
3:35>> I'm so CUZ I FEEL LIKE I've never met
3:39>> people I didn't go so hard for, you
3:41know? I mean, I went hard for like no
3:43reason. We reacted on Patreon and like
3:45we we had [laughter] to go like right
3:46into it right away. But like I like went
3:48so hard specifically on you for like a
3:51long time and I was like damn. And I
3:53would watch those clips and I'm just
3:54like oh my god. I was like so actually
3:56angry for like no reason. It was insane
3:58to watch. So I think I got really
4:00nervous. I I met some people like a
4:01Lauren Gray who I mentioned like briefly
4:03but like not like she's like baby I tore
4:05you.
4:07>> She's like I YOU CRAZY. IT'S SO CRAZY. I
4:11I just am like all is forgiven.
4:14[laughter] And not only that, it is a
4:16shame cuz me and you would have been
4:17friends.
4:18>> You think I think I was angry and
4:20jealous. I felt like I was never in that
4:23group. Like you guys when you guys came
4:24along and I just saw the recreation of
4:262016 Beauty Gurus and it kind of like
4:28>> all over again. I was like, damn, I wish
4:30I was in that group. Like it just was
4:31like [laughter] you guys were such a
4:32force. When did you start? Did you guys
4:34start at the same time? Kind of.
4:36>> Yeah, honestly similar very similar
4:37times. You started right before I did.
4:39>> I started like a year. I think it was
4:402012 or 13. I'm 14 years in.
4:43>> Oh my gosh. I know. [laughter] We're the
4:46same age.
4:46>> We are. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.
4:48>> OH, RIGHT. Cuz
4:50>> I think everyone keeps telling me to
4:52change. When I did the jersey for high
4:53school music, can I have 88 on? They're
4:55like, "No, you can have 88."
4:56>> I think 88 is like I think it's like age
4:59LIKE [laughter]
5:02>> we once THE YEAR WE'RE BORN, SO IT'S
5:04KIND OF HARD. But yeah, I know.
5:06>> I made that SCREEN NAME BACK IN 2014.
5:09AND I HAD NO IDEA.
5:10>> NO, I KNOW. I know.
5:12>> Our year.
5:12>> Yes, it does suck that that's our year,
5:14but anyways, not trying to get us canled
5:16again. So, [laughter]
5:17>> AGAIN, ALL OF US LIKE,
5:20>> CAN I TELL YOU THOUGH, LIKE I FEEL LIKE
5:22your guys' cancellation cuz we did a
5:23whole video reacting to YouTuber
5:24apologies and like obviously drama and
5:26all that like that. And it's like your
5:27guys's like cancellations like were so
5:30silly, would you say?
5:31>> Yes.
5:32>> Okay. You don't.
5:32>> We actually do talk about this like all
5:34the time. We do all the time [laughter]
5:37at all. I hate when people like I go on
5:39podcasts like, "Oh, I don't know. I
5:40didn't do anything that bad." And then
5:41they list like all the things I've ever
5:42done. I was like, "Oh my god, Jesus."
5:43[laughter] Yes. Like, "Let's cut some of
5:45this." Like, "I don't remember all
5:46this." So, okay. So, you guys talk about
5:47it.
5:47>> Yeah. I feel like the reason that it was
5:49so insane at the time is cuz it was like
5:51one of the first in the beauty ever. So,
5:52I think that's what made it so dramatic.
5:54>> It was the first big one for the first
5:55big one in the beauty space.
5:56>> You're Damaged One. Yeah.
5:57>> Yeah. Exactly. So, that's And that's why
5:58[laughter] I think that's why cuz we
5:59were number one.
6:00>> So, visceral at first or did that name
6:04come after Dramageddon 2? No, that it
6:06was it was in the beginning like it was
6:07in the first one. Yes. Coined it. Who
6:08coined the term?
6:09>> I don't even know. Was it again for the
6:11tea? Maybe.
6:12>> Yeah, I think maybe for the tea.
6:14>> Wow. Back in the day. I think it was
6:16drama channels. Can we talk about that?
6:18How much? Like I feared drama channels
6:20for such a long
6:22I did the beginning hot tea spilled tea.
6:25All these like different tea channels
6:26chewing my ass up weekly
6:28>> and you didn't care.
6:29>> Yes, I cared a lot. But it happened for
6:31so many years consecutively. That's why
6:33you're like I was so mean to you online.
6:35And I'm like dead ass Trisha like do you
6:37think you're the only one? Like everyone
6:39like ate my ass really like like me. I
6:42WASN'T LIKE [laughter] OH MY GOD
6:46YOU KNOW IT'S like everyone different
6:49cuz I was a creator as well and it's
6:50like yeah creator on creator hate was
6:52like not too much a thing. I was just
6:54hating on everybody. I would do one on
6:55Tati. I was doing one on everybody and I
6:57was telling Oscar at the time when I was
6:58doing it I was like didn't even know who
6:59she was like had no idea but just Shane
7:00was like [laughter] I hate her. You're
7:01like telling me all this stuff. And not
7:03to blame that on you. Like with you, I
7:04think it was just a trend. I think
7:05everybody was like,
7:05>> "Never Shane Dawson before.
7:07>> Never met Colleen Ballinger. Never met
7:09you. I've never met any of you before."
7:11>> Which is crazy cuz you're so in the
7:12world.
7:13>> I know.
7:13>> But you're in a specific bubble. You
7:15guys are friends with Jacquine still.
7:18Who recently just saw that we were at a
7:19Sea Candy. She like, "That's my Sea
7:20Candy." And I was like, I think we're
7:21neighbors. Cuz I always see her in the
7:22area. And I was like, she's like, "Yeah,
7:24we should like hang out." But I'm also
7:25scared to meet her. Not that. [laughter]
7:27>> I don't know. Maybe I've talked. I don't
7:28know.
7:28>> You would be obsessed. She you two would
7:31be obsessed with each other cuz you both
7:32talk 90 miles an hour and if you two got
7:34in a room together Y'ALL WOULD BOTH LIKE
7:37>> I do love her. I have always loved her.
7:39I think like beauty gurus were like not
7:40my thing cuz I just am not good at
7:41makeup. Like I could not do my own
7:42makeup to save my life. Like I always
7:43get glam. I don't even like own makeup.
7:45I might have like old makeup that I've
7:46never used. So like beauty gurus like I
7:47had never understood and obviously it
7:49came along and it was such a big thing
7:50and I couldn't. I tried I tried makeup
7:52tutorials. Oh, they're so bad. But I was
7:53trying to be in that world and I just
7:55couldn't. So I think maybe resentment
7:57probably there. Maybe a little like
7:58jealousy, bitterness cuz you guys did
7:59blow up quickly. So you started 2014,
8:01you started 2015.
8:02>> But it was like I I did it for like two
8:04and a half years and no one watched me.
8:06But it was like one year and we blew up
8:08quickly.
8:09>> Yeah. It seemed like overnight. Were you
8:10doing Were you doing makeup as like a
8:12job?
8:13>> Uh I worked for a dermatologist
8:14full-time as a medical assistant and we
8:16would cut out skin cancer, but I would
8:18do wedding makeup on the weekend.
8:20Wedding girly. So I was like I just
8:22wanted to be a glam girl. But I was at
8:23Alabama girl. No one is like, you know,
8:25beat the out in Alabama.
8:27>> Wait, is this accent
8:29>> real?
8:29>> It's real. [laughter]
8:31>> It is real.
8:35>> You never lost it. It's still there.
8:37It's giving Michaela like extra Boston.
8:39IT'S [laughter] GIVING LIKE
8:40>> NO, when she goes like visits family or
8:42family visiting her like a week later,
8:44I'm like, "You're back. You're so back
8:46right now." It's literally LIKE
8:49[laughter]
8:50>> THAT ACCENT SEEMS OFFENSIVE ENOUGH.
8:53>> NO, BUT I SHOULD LITERALLY SAY LIKE OIL
8:55[laughter] INSTEAD. It's like all like
8:56it's like saying like annunciations.
8:58>> You think I have an accent? I'm like I
9:00don't have one.
9:00>> That's crazy. It's like the thickest
9:02one. You're like the original Michaela.
9:03Whereas if the accent was like a lot
9:05like is this real?
9:06>> I remember like when I was peak like
9:07watching beauty YouTubers I would always
9:09pick up how you would say. I would
9:10always pick it up.
9:11>> Oil. It's like oil but
9:13>> oil. O.
9:14>> And where is it? Alabama. You said
9:16>> Alabama. Mhm.
9:16>> Oh my gosh. And then when did you move
9:18to LA?
9:19>> 13 years ago.
9:20>> So you did YouTube for a year and you're
9:22like I'm going to LA.
9:22>> Yep. That's exactly what it was.
9:23>> And you were been married for how long?
9:25You've been married a long time.
9:26>> Um I was dating my husband at the time
9:29when we moved to LA. We just went to San
9:31Diego. San Diego. Went to a courthouse
9:32and just got married. Didn't tell
9:33anybody.
9:34>> Whoa. And he supported it. He's like,
9:35"Let's go to LA."
9:36>> And it's crazy he supported it because
9:37he had just finished getting his
9:38engineering degree. He's so smart. Like
9:40he's so book smart. And I like d barely
9:43graduated high school. I graduated at
9:4419.
9:45>> Oh wow. barely graduated by like a hair
9:47on a horse's ass and like I'm talking
9:49about just bailed out of college like
9:51just horrible. Couldn't even get into
9:53college till I was 21 cuz they don't
9:54look at your high school transcripts.
9:55Wow.
9:56>> I was a disaster and I was like I want
9:58to be a star. I want to be a YouTuber.
9:59And you know back then like no one's a
10:01YouTuber.
10:01>> Yeah. Yeah. It was really hard before
10:03the beauty invasion
10:04>> and in Alabama you know it's like sister
10:06what are you doing? And my husband was
10:08like just he just always thought I could
10:09do it and I don't know why.
10:11>> Well you were good. You're good at
10:12makeup. You guys do slay makeup. That's
10:14one thing you guys are very good at.
10:15What did you think when Shane
10:16infiltrated the beauty space?
10:17[clears throat]
10:18>> I thought it was fascinating [laughter]
10:22>> in the nicest way. I was like, I thought
10:23that was really GETTING BETTER.
10:25[laughter]
10:27>> AM I GETTING BETTER? Do you remember
10:28that? He's like, guys, I'm getting
10:28better.
10:29>> I do remember. And the thing is like it
10:30was horrific. Like that's what makes it
10:31really funny is cuz it was so bad.
10:33>> The makeup. The actual makeup. But it
10:36was I thought in a way it was endearing
10:38to see him like really try to like GET
10:40BACK. [laughter]
10:41>> DID YOU THINK HE WAS LIKE appropriating
10:42your culture? Like you're just like what
10:44are you doing infiltrating this?
10:45>> Oh yes. [laughter]
10:47>> And you know what? I was a Shane Dawson
10:48fan. Like I always watched I mean they
10:50were funny as well. You too. I was a fan
10:52of you baby. Oh I mean come on.
10:54>> I also watched [laughter] a lot of his
10:55videos as well. That's why I thought
10:57like how could we not be like you guys
10:59invented the internet.
11:00>> Oh my god. Okay. Love that. Thank
11:01[laughter] you. That's so nice.
11:03>> Yeah. It was fascinating. when you think
11:04of like online you think of Trisha Pis.
11:06You know what I MEAN?
11:07>> YOU WERE SO Now I feel even worse. Like
11:09I literally [laughter] knew what would
11:10happen. I was like they're probably
11:12They're probably whatever. And
11:13then I was like [laughter] you're so
11:14sweet. Like I feel now. And then I was
11:17like god damn it she wrecked my ass. But
11:19then
11:20>> you know I honestly never hated you. I
11:22was never like Trisha Pis. But I'm
11:24telling you it's because so many people
11:26wrecked me. So it's like you know what I
11:27mean? It's like you can't just be like
11:29this one person got me. I was being
11:31destroyed by everybody for years. But do
11:34you look back at that? Cuz I think it
11:35really was like the apology video where
11:37people kind of came the hardest. That's
11:38when I like that's when I found you. I
11:40found you from like that apology video
11:42and everyone was just like fake tears
11:43and then me just being like fake tears.
11:45We don't like and it's like crazy cuz I
11:46was like the most canceled person at the
11:47time. Like I've been so canceled. So it
11:48is kind of like what what am I even
11:50doing? But did you think do you look
11:51back now at that apology video? Cuz
11:53honestly like it wasn't bad. We were
11:54watching it. I'm like I kind of feel
11:55bad. Like I I could feel the sincerity
11:57and I was like damn people ripped you
11:58apart for apologizing. You're the only
12:00person publicly online who has ever SAID
12:02THEY FEEL BAD.
12:04>> AT LEAST YOU'RE THE ONLY PERSON WHO HAS
12:06EVER GIVEN ME [laughter] A
12:07>> LIKE YOU CAME BACK LIKE THIS LIKE FULL
12:09CIRCLE.
12:09>> YEAH, CUZ WE WATCHED IT. I WAS LIKE,
12:11she's feeling sincere. Cuz we would
12:12watch in comparison to like a Logan Paul
12:13apology or something like that. I was
12:14like, you're giving sincere. It's like I
12:17I don't know why people came so hard and
12:19you were at least apologizing. Like even
12:20if it was fake, if people thought it was
12:22fake, at least it was giving some
12:23accountability for something you felt
12:24bad about, which is crazy. I I feel like
12:28I had a mental break online and filmed
12:30it and uploaded it and I just feel like
12:32that's what that was like me and should
12:33I have done it? No. Should I have been
12:35uploading? Should I be filming at that
12:36time? No. But when the whole world's
12:37coming down on you and you apologize so
12:39many times, but it's not in video form.
12:41So, they're never going to stop and you
12:42need to apologize. And I always intended
12:44on apologizing. I should have waited
12:46>> and waited until like the whole world
12:48wasn't crashing down on me and like took
12:50a breath, took a step back and then I
12:52should have like
12:53>> coherently spoke to camera and I didn't
12:56because I'd never dealt with anything
12:57like this in my whole entire life. And
12:58I've always gotten hate and talked about
13:00on drama channels all the time. You know
13:01that, but not like this, like not to
13:04this gravity. And so I think I turned
13:06the camera on and had a psychotic break.
13:08I do
13:09>> and I wrecked myself worse. And I didn't
13:11even like all of it after I uploaded
13:14that I people were like, "Why didn't you
13:15take it down immediately?" It's cuz I
13:17got offline. I deleted the apps on my
13:18phone for 3 months. So I didn't know
13:20like all that was happening.
13:22>> That's good. That's probably good.
13:23Especially if you are myself though.
13:26>> Yeah. Oh, that's really It's really sad.
13:27And that's really it's dark. And the
13:29thing is like you guys watching cuz I
13:30know Laura like to the nth degree and
13:32like
13:32>> it's the most like sincere she could
13:34ever be. And like that's how like
13:36>> she gets emotional is like there's like
13:37whimper like that is literally like the
13:39real her. like you people wanted to say
13:41like it's not real tears like you're not
13:42crying it's like no she's crying like
13:43that's like how she cries like I'm
13:45telling you like so it's like I felt
13:46like I was really like no it's all
13:48genuine it's all real we were having
13:50like mental breaks because we didn't
13:51really know what to do like it's never
13:52happened in our space either
13:54>> and I don't think it's being dramatic at
13:55all to say that I think like the times
13:57where I felt that same way is times when
13:59it's like you feel like not only is the
14:00whole world crashing down but you just
14:02moved to LA so now it's like your
14:03everything is like dependent on this it
14:04feels like your whole career your
14:06livelihood and that's when people feel
14:07those thoughts is because they think
14:09they have nothing left and there's no
14:11going there. And that's it's really sad.
14:13It's really sad because it was just this
14:15beauty thing. It it got blown out of
14:17proportion, everything. And when I look
14:18at your guys' like cancellations or the
14:20reasons for it's just like, you know,
14:21obviously stuff gets brought up, but
14:24it's like in comparison to like people
14:25like hurting people currently, you know
14:27what I mean? It's like not things from
14:28years ago. It was really sad to watch
14:30and for you to feel that way, especially
14:31you had a husband, so you had some
14:32support and you still felt that way.
14:33It's like really scary, you know?
14:35>> I lost everything in like two weeks, you
14:38So you what did you lose in the
14:39cancellation like sponsorships?
14:40>> My brand was kicked out of every store
14:43and all these stores had placed massive
14:44orders which I paid for out of pocket
14:46you know so it screwed me. I bought a
14:48house a few months prior bought my first
14:51home. I lost every brand deal. I mean
14:53like everything.
14:54>> Oh so your brand this is not the cuz you
14:56came out with is this your first brand
14:57or was
14:58>> cuz it was you had Laura LA.
15:00>> Yep. Larly Los Angeles.
15:01>> Okay. So was that the lly Los Angeles
15:03and it was in what stores? It was in the
15:05Morphe stores and then we were going
15:07into Ulta but we never made it into Ulta
15:09which was nice and Ulta was really like
15:11cool about it. They were like, "Hey,
15:12we're just gonna
15:14>> like hush hush about it and just wash
15:16it." And I was like, "Fair game." But
15:17all this happened within two weeks. So I
15:19totally just had like a complete and
15:21total mental break on it. You know, my
15:23world fell apart. It just so quickly and
15:25I as a human being had never experienced
15:27this level of hate.
15:28>> Yeah.
15:29>> You know, even my family, they found my
15:31family's phone numbers were threatening
15:32to kill them. You know, I was so I was
15:33like, this is like over what it was
15:36over. It was just like this is like a
15:37lot for one human being to take on.
15:39>> Oh my god, it's a lot. The hate is a
15:41lot. That's why even on like this
15:42podcast, we guys do the same kind of
15:43thing. You guys take two hot topics.
15:44It's like I try not to go hard on any
15:46what. Yeah. And also like not throwing
15:47stones when like everyone lives in a
15:49glass house cuz it's like we see it all
15:50happen all the time on the internet like
15:52karma. Obviously, I got mine. I got mine
15:54so many times. And it's at some point
15:55you have to look at yourself. Same thing
15:57when I did like the friend's podcast and
15:58stuff. like we were coming so hard at
15:59people and like judging and it's like
16:01damn it really does come back around and
16:02get you because skeletons in everyone's
16:04closet. Everyone has old tweets that are
16:06not good and it's Yeah. And I I like
16:07that you take accountability. I I will
16:09always apologize forever for all the
16:10stuff I've done to
16:12>> like I'm so not a perfect person. I've
16:14been an idiot so many times in my life
16:15and I deserve to get cancelled 100%.
16:18Like I've also surrounded myself with
16:19people who are going to get me up and
16:21cancel out there. That was a choice.
16:23>> That's a good lesson as well. I think I
16:25was also I think I was also the toxic
16:27person. I didn't think anyone around me
16:28was getting cancelceled too. And it's
16:29like, yeah, you have to realize, is it
16:30the people around you? Is it you? I was
16:32like, maybe I'm the problem. And then
16:33you have to like rebrand it. So, were
16:35you getting cancelled at the same time?
16:37>> We I'm like, we sure
16:39>> at the same time at the exact same time
16:40together?
16:41>> So, did you guys talk to each other or
16:43you guys were just isolating separately?
16:45>> Well, for a little bit we isolated. We
16:46did have like an isolation
16:47>> in the be in the beginning. We were
16:49like, okay, cuz it it grew legs like at
16:51first, you know, it's like we're
16:53canceled once again. We were canceled
16:54every week at that point. So, we're like
16:56>> because of Dramadagon. So drama started
16:57all this.
16:58>> Yes. So for me like it became like a
17:00Manny was like a bad friend to people.
17:02Like he was like not like a social
17:03climber and like he he he always wants
17:06to be friends with like someone that's
17:07popular and then he moves on to the next
17:08popular person. So
17:09>> Wait, that was your cancellation?
17:10>> That was mine. Mhm.
17:11>> The friendship fallout.
17:12>> I had like a friendship fallout with
17:14like
17:14>> people and so they said you were a bad
17:16friend. Why? because like I was like not
17:18like I guess for me retrospectively
17:20looking back I can understand why people
17:22might have thought I was not a great
17:24friend in times because I was such a
17:26people pleaser growing up that I had a
17:28problem with confrontation and I
17:29wouldn't really talk about my issues
17:31with someone. So I feel like those times
17:32when like I was having a problem and I
17:34wouldn't really communicate it and I
17:35would distance myself.
17:36>> So I was like okay I can understand like
17:38why people might feel like I wasn't a
17:39great friend in a moment but that
17:41doesn't mean I'm a bad person. I might
17:43not have like been able to communicate
17:44why I was hurt about something,
17:46>> but that doesn't mean I'm trying to be a
17:48bad friend to you.
17:48>> It's weird because you you've had like
17:50the same friend group too, like as far
17:52as like influencers like 10 years now.
17:55>> Like the thing is too, I think that when
17:56people think about my old friendships as
17:58well, they think that like I was some
17:59type of mooch or like leeching off of
18:01someone when they weren't getting
18:02something from me. But I'm like at the
18:03end of the day, like a friendship online
18:05benefits both ways. It's not just me
18:07that's going to benefit from having this
18:09online camaraderie. It's all of us and
18:11it's the whole group and it's this duo
18:13like everyone benefits from it. Yes.
18:15Yes. Yes. Yes. And like it was more so
18:17like
18:17>> not only that, it was like our like a
18:19friend group and it was like there was a
18:20bunch of us that were just always
18:22constantly showing each other and like
18:23me and Patrick Star were friends back in
18:25the day and we had a huge falling out at
18:26the time as well. And so
18:28>> it was like two for two.
18:29>> It was two for two. And so people were
18:30like, "Oh yeah, like you didn't you are
18:33a bad friend. It's you." And it's like,
18:34"Oh my gosh, you guys." And the thing
18:36is, when you're in the midst of a heat
18:37like that, you don't really want to like
18:39defend yourself that much. You kind of
18:41want to be like, you know what? Like,
18:42>> you have to fall on the sword.
18:42>> You have to fall on the sword. And I
18:43feel I kind of want to be like, I'm
18:45going to be introspective here and I'm
18:46going to I'm actually going to take time
18:47off and see like where I went wrong.
18:49>> You didn't say anything right away.
18:50That's smart.
18:51>> Yeah. [laughter]
18:53>> Yeah. I I apologize, but like at the end
18:55of the day, I did I [laughter]
18:57did an apology video.
18:58>> See your apology video. WHAT A
19:01[laughter]
19:01>> WE'RE GOING TO LET THAT LIE.
19:03>> WE'RE GOING TO LET THAT LIE. Were you
19:05crying?
19:05>> Um, I wasn't crying, but I definitely
19:07was like I was doing the Mind you, I
19:08didn't know this is a thing, but like I
19:10was in the hoodie and like [laughter] my
19:11room sitting down,
19:12>> you guys. I just was in a hoodie, YOU
19:14KNOW, MAKEUP. LIKE, I JUST wasn't a
19:16hoodie. Um, so yeah, I just had to
19:17apologize for, you know, being a bad
19:19friend to these people that, you know,
19:20felt like I was a bad friend to me. I
19:21was like, and I'm going to be the type
19:23of person where I'm going to be
19:24introspective and I'm going to try and
19:26like for me, I actually feel like I
19:28learned a lot. And I we we talk about
19:30this often that like
19:31>> if we didn't get canceled at the time,
19:32maybe we wouldn't have changed for the
19:34better.
19:35I think about the time it's so easy when
19:37you're soaring high going
19:41>> everyone's like a yes man around you
19:42like I was like everyone's like
19:44you're so sickening yes go but when you
19:46hit rock bottom and no one's there to
19:47tell you that it's like
19:49>> maybe I did
19:50>> aspect that's pretty good you learned
19:51that just from your one cancellation
19:53that 35 [laughter]
19:57>> I was like 33 and I was like maybe it's
19:58me maybe [laughter] I'm the problem
20:00that's amazing that you were able
20:01especially specifically that one is kind
20:03Crazy. I didn't really realize that was
20:05your cancellation cuz it's like
20:06>> you have to apologize for like collabing
20:08with people. Yeah. It's like cuz that is
20:10what it is. Obviously me and Shane as
20:11well. It's like of course he was the
20:13more popular when I got subscribers but
20:14like obviously I was like the crazy like
20:16sexual one that got like views too. So
20:17it is
20:18>> but they want to almost be like to you
20:19like you're climbing Shane and you're on
20:21his back and it's like but I wasn't
20:22doing that though. Like there was like
20:24we were friends too. Like it's not like
20:25it's like I'm over here. Also like I
20:27feel like I knew at the time too when I
20:29was like the smaller creator. I'm not
20:31going to be the type that's like let's
20:32film, let's do something. Like I'm not
20:33even asking. Like I'm getting asked.
20:35>> Yes.
20:35>> So like what the I'm not even getting
20:37asked. Like how are you going to say
20:38that I'm the climber when you're asking
20:39me to
20:40>> That's true. You were like the cute
20:41twink. Can I use that? I don't know.
20:42WERE YOU LIKE [laughter]
20:43YOU'RE SO BIG NOW? WERE YOU LIKE BROAD?
20:47Like you're just so Yeah.
20:48>> I've always been broad, but I have been
20:49Twinkie 100%.
20:50>> The throwbacks. You were Twinkie.
20:52>> Yeah, I was Twinky. [laughter] You know,
20:53I was very different in this in the
20:55makeup world because I had always kept
20:57like the boyishness. Like I always kept
20:58my facial hair. Like I always wanted to
21:00be like a man that wore makeup and it
21:02wasn't me trying to like female
21:03impersonate like I was like I just enjoy
21:05it for the art. Like I genuinely just
21:06love makeup.
21:08>> The trauma you get cuz you're like I
21:09didn't want to be like a girl like it's
21:11so funny cuz it's like damn these people
21:12that say this stuff to you. It like
21:13really like resonated.
21:15>> So like it was a very difficult like um
21:17transition for me to like come into the
21:18space that I'm in. Like I had a really
21:20really really hard
21:21>> uh come like kind of come to Jesus of
21:23who I was as like a person. So, like I
21:25had a lot it was a really long journey
21:27to get to like even where I'm at because
21:29I didn't have someone to look up to and
21:32I was like kind of like very
21:34>> I like hated myself so much for so long
21:36and like try to pray the gay away for so
21:37long that like it wasn't until I social
21:39media that I was like oh my god like I'm
21:41not like crazy like I found people that
21:43like liked me for who I was not like for
21:45my hidden self.
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23:11today's episode. you were kind of and
23:13not to like trigger anyone but were you
23:15before James Charles was that okay so
23:16you are like the original boy in Patrick
23:19Star with the two original boys and
23:20beauty
23:21>> wow oh that is so
23:22>> so like we were like really and it's
23:24funny because at the time
23:25>> like 10 years ago it wasn't like a thing
23:27right like boys and beauty wasn't a
23:28thing and we were never taken seriously
23:30and people didn't really give a they
23:31actually didn't like us like they like
23:33brands were like this is weird like they
23:34thought it was a fad
23:35>> and so my manager which like the genius
23:37that she is she had was like we're going
23:39to like I'm going to pitch you like
23:40together and like you're going to get
23:41they're going to Two boys for one girl.
23:43>> You and Patrick?
23:44>> Yes.
23:44>> Wow.
23:44>> And that's kind of how it was for years
23:46for us because everything that we did,
23:48we were almost pitched as a duo instead
23:50of it being like individual
23:51>> cuz it was kind of like we had to like
23:52kind of get our names out there. But
23:54they didn't respect us.
23:54>> But you like work together. I think
23:56that's like another thing too. People
23:57always are like in competition like
23:58we're like the same age. We're the same.
23:59And then it's like oh I'm in competition
24:00but then working together.
24:01>> Yeah. We were like girl we got to like
24:02figure this out together. And we are
24:04good friends.
24:04>> And so okay and you're friends now. So
24:06everything is like
24:07>> it's all good. Like we literally have
24:08full come full circle
24:08>> cuz I remember when the drama didn't
24:10happen. I was a part of the Were you
24:11guys part of the E special? Did you guys
24:13see the E? Were you I was in I was in
24:15there. I was I was like
24:18>> I [laughter] remember when I filmed I
24:19was like this like it was like they did
24:21a Hollywood story about like
24:22>> on the beauty community [laughter]
24:26I cannot even remember.
24:27>> No, I didn't interview
24:30100%.
24:31>> They were asking me questions in 2020
24:32about this like so and Patrick Star when
24:34he came along. I knew nothing about any
24:35of this but [laughter] they're asking me
24:37to commentate and I was like what is
24:38this? LIKE WHY AM I HERE?
24:42>> LIKE I'M not even a beauty.
24:43>> I didn't know. I didn't know. Obviously
24:45Patrick Star so huge and you guys are
24:46huge now, but I didn't I really was just
24:47like unaware. I remember you guys did
24:49like a wedding video together. You guys
24:50were like a groom.
24:53Was that who you did it for?
24:54>> We did it with um GlamGlow. Glam Glow
24:56was like a skincare line and we did it
24:58and he was like like let's do it. But
25:00then for for years people thought that
25:01we were like dating and we that we
25:02actually got married.
25:03>> Did you guys play into it?
25:05>> We did [laughter] kind of. I'm like,
25:06"YOU KNOW WHAT? WE KIND of did." And
25:08until like we have like kind of like
25:09fallen off friendship wise. Like it we
25:11literally like played into like the duo
25:12thing because we kind of felt like we
25:14had to for a long long time. Like we had
25:15to.
25:16>> Did you ever have a crush on each other?
25:18>> I don't I never had a crush on Patrick.
25:20He was just like my dude. He was still
25:21my sister. I actually never had a crush
25:22I never had a crush on any of like the
25:24good friends like boys that I've been
25:26friends with because for me if I like
25:27you as a friend like I can't be your
25:29friend if that makes sense. Like I can't
25:31be your I can't be your
25:32>> I can't be your sister. I can't be your
25:33Judy.
25:33I'm confused as a gay person maybe like
25:36I don't know if you can raise sometimes
25:37like when you have a hot gay friend that
25:39you're like you get confused sometimes
25:40like do I like you or do I like you as a
25:42friend
25:42>> but you didn't feel like that with
25:43Patrick or
25:44>> I didn't because they were just like my
25:45sisters.
25:45>> Same with like like being friends with
25:47Joey too. Like obviously Joey's like
25:49attractive but like I'm not attracted to
25:51him like your girl in a way it's like
25:53you have a thing.
25:55>> I was always attracted to every male
25:56friend. SHANE.
25:57>> REALLY?
25:58>> THAT'S NOT SHANE.
26:00>> IT'S IN MY BOOK. [laughter]
26:03>> Why are WE WATCHING SOPHIE? THAT'S
26:04SHANE.
26:05>> AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE LIKE JUST ANY
26:07GUY PAYING ATTENTION to me. I'm like,
26:09YOU'RE SO CUTE. [laughter] I THOUGHT WE
26:10WERE LIKE DATING. HE'S AT my house till
26:12like 6:00 a.m. I'm like, "Wow, he's in
26:13love with me."
26:14>> It's confusing though, like when you
26:15have like that friendship. Sometimes it
26:16can get confusing where you're like,
26:18"I'm single. You're single. Why are we
26:19dating?" Like, "What's like why wouldn't
26:20>> That's how I feel all the time." Yeah.
26:21So, that's why I wondered with that
26:22friendship. Okay. But you guys kind of
26:24like tease a lavender marriage here and
26:26there. You love to play with our
26:28>> It's so fun. [laughter] WE CAN MAKE IT
26:30OUT.
26:33>> We do.
26:33>> It's just fun. It's just fun because
26:35we've stayed friends.
26:37>> We've never even in the midst of our
26:39cancellation, no matter how bad it got,
26:41we never were not friends.
26:43>> We never we never like forgo one
26:45another.
26:45>> We never forgoed one another. No matter
26:47how bad it got for me or for him or
26:48whatever people said, we never The only
26:50thing is like in the midst of when we
26:51were like offline like we're getting
26:53destroyed out there.
26:54>> I think you were checked into a
26:55hospital.
26:56>> I did
26:57>> actually. For like mental health.
27:00>> Oh my gosh.
27:00>> Well, I had like I had gotten a really
27:02bad uh panic attack and like cases of
27:05panic. And so I had to go to the ER
27:07because I was having heart palpitations.
27:09I had fainted. I was for me when I have
27:11panic attacks I actually have like full
27:12body like fainting spells.
27:14>> Oh my god. So that's like my panic is
27:15like when it's like more of a physical
27:16one and I'm throwing up and I can't
27:17stop. And so I go to the hospital a
27:19couple times
27:20>> and I remember like taking photos of my
27:21little wristband. I'm like damn like
27:23sucks. Like that I'm literally in here
27:24cuz they got it so good.
27:26>> This is what is 2018. So this is like
27:29almost 10 years. Almost 10 years almost
27:3010 years ago.
27:31>> It's crazy. It's crazy.
27:32>> Feels like it was yesterday. [laughter]
27:35>> It feels like it's yesterday or 20 years
27:36ago. I don't know.
27:37>> Two cuz quarantine did such a reset that
27:39it's like everything changed for
27:41everyone. It was like a full upside
27:42down. It was so insane. So 2018 that is
27:45wild.
27:45>> It's like we're almost in 20 27.
27:47>> Yeah. So 10 years ago.
27:49>> Yeah. So we were both like going through
27:50the gates.
27:50>> But I remember so we were like not
27:52talking every day cuz our was soing
27:54wrecked. Like we were just like
27:55destroyed like not bed the whole thing
27:57[laughter]
27:57>> later on. I'm like how you doing?
28:00>> No. So it was this is like so like after
28:02like we had like kind of taken our own
28:03little breaks.
28:04>> We had like facing I was like you going
28:05up too or just
28:06>> my sister I don't even know. I don't
28:08even got the apps on my phone. Yeah,
28:10>> that's great that
28:12it saved me. It saved me and like in a
28:15few months later I was in a position
28:16where I was able to like get myself
28:17where I could come back and I knew like
28:19the war I was going to like face
28:20whenever I did but it like put me in
28:22like mental strength cuz I got out of
28:23it. Um but I do remember like you know
28:26at this time like the friendship falling
28:28out was a huge part of our cancellation
28:30that people don't talk about enough like
28:31that was like that was the thing that
28:34people were so angry about
28:35>> things where like you piss someone's fan
28:36base off and then they look
28:38>> they find stuff
28:40That's literally what happened. We
28:41pissed off his fan base and then they
28:43were like attached something to it to
28:45destroy it.
28:45>> Of course, the crime is like bad, but
28:47it's like amplified by people who aren't
28:49even affected by it to be honest is just
28:51people want something to use against you
28:53>> and no one talks about that enough.
28:55>> But that's the truth and that's like but
28:57you know I feel like people that have
28:58gone through cancellations with people
29:00that's like what you're really getting
29:01cancelled for. It's like their
29:02>> fan base and their people and that's
29:04actually what but they didn't have any
29:06information of like what we did.
29:08>> You know what I mean in the friendship.
29:10So it was like attached things to it and
29:11it just all began. But I remember at
29:13that time you know at this time I'm
29:15wrecked online. He's wrecked online and
29:16I'm trying to figure out who will I ever
29:18be able to show again on my social
29:19media. Who will I ever be able to be
29:20friends with again? And I remember no
29:22matter how bad it got, Manny MUA,
29:26>> no matter how bad, no matter how shitty
29:29people did us, you never and neither did
29:32I expose anyone. You never tweeted about
29:35anyone. You never liked a shady tweet
29:38about everyone. And I knew for the rest
29:39of my life I could be his best friend.
29:40>> And were you doing the same?
29:41>> Yeah.
29:42>> You guys never came for anyone?
29:44>> No one.
29:44>> Never did. Can I like be a little
29:46testimonial? So you guys have always
29:48been so nice. Like even I think I
29:50interviewed you guys when I was at NBC
29:52or something and you were always so
29:53sweet and then even when I was friends
29:55with Joey always treated me like a
29:57normal regular person cuz some Colleen
29:59did not. And you guys were always real
30:01about it. Like you treated me as if uh
30:04you knew me forever.
30:05>> But the second I met you, I
30:07automatically got like that's my diva
30:08vibes immediately. And I know Laura is
30:10the same cuz she's like I love Oscar.
30:11I'm like yes me too.
30:12>> He's gone hard for you guys here too.
30:14He's like I love them. I was like do we?
30:15I don't know.
30:17>> I didn't know. I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT, you
30:18know, the podcast and I started watching
30:19the podcast. Yeah, I didn't know. I
30:21thought I thought they're enemies. I was
30:22like, "No, [laughter] no, you're right."
30:23No, he's always
30:24>> Laura. I think I interviewed you right
30:25before it happened and I remember seeing
30:27like everything unfold and I remember
30:29DMing. I was like, "Girl, like if you
30:31ever need someone like if you wanted to,
30:34very, very few that reached out to me."
30:37>> I remember feeling so bad for you cuz I
30:39understood like that you were not the
30:41person that was in the tweets. Like I
30:42just knew that immediately, you know,
30:44just from like being with you and I felt
30:46so bad. That's why that was I always
30:48thought the one time one of the handful
30:50of times I was like really opposing
30:52Trisha was the video I was like the
30:55Laura one I was like you're kicking a
30:57girl while she's
30:58>> that was a bad one. The Tati one too. I
30:59don't even know her. I don't know if we
31:00even like her. SHE'S A GOOD PERSON. BUT
31:02[laughter] I FELT BAD on that one too
31:03cuz I was so angry. I just was like
31:05screaming at everyone. I was like damn
31:06that one I did feel bad too. There's
31:07certain times I felt bad and definitely
31:09your video I was like what the hell?
31:10Like I was like going after the wrong
31:11people. But Oscar's always on the right
31:12side of history. Like he always
31:15You are always in tune.
31:18>> I never claim it because the second it's
31:20like, you know, the second claim someone
31:22>> we'll claim it for you cuz we feel I
31:24I've always liked Oscar so much.
31:26>> Unpopular opinion. You are on the right
31:28side of history.
31:28>> Always. He's always on the right side of
31:30history.
31:30>> I mean that's I owe everything my
31:32rebrand now my third act of this time to
31:34Oscar cuz he really like steers me in
31:35the right direction and if I'm off a bad
31:37path like he'll just be like we'll just
31:38edit that out or like he'll tell me to
31:40like go that's not like the right take
31:41which is good. On this last episode I
31:42was like maybe I'll wear my friend tank
31:43top. He's like maybe don't do that. I
31:44was like, "Okay, thank [laughter] you."
31:47>> So, he's good. He's like good.
31:48Especially and then with you guys, too.
31:49I think when I think we did like, did we
31:51do a back and forth on the podcast where
31:52we talked about you guys and you always
31:53talked about us and I was like, I'm so
31:55scared these days to like see what
31:56anyone says cuz I'm like, I really do.
31:58We talking so much and stuff like that.
31:59I had to like write it back. But then he
32:00was like, "No, no, they're like really
32:01like nice." And then I was watching you
32:02guys' podcast. I'm like, "Oh, they're
32:03like great people." And like then I see
32:05I was going to ask that. So, like you
32:06were saying now who you could show
32:07online and who you couldn't. Has that
32:09affected you guys
32:10>> being scared to join another fandom or
32:12collaborating with other people in the
32:13future? like has that
32:14>> other friend group,
32:16>> you know? Um I feel like what we do now
32:18is like we do a lot more stuff of real
32:21life, like if that makes sense. Like
32:22I'll hang out with Laura a lot and we're
32:24not really showing it because like we
32:25facilitate like more like good
32:26friendships in like real life and then
32:28it's like we'll show here and there but
32:30now as the years progress I don't feel
32:31like as
32:32>> we're also old and tired so we only hang
32:34out with each other.
32:36>> I'm tired like I I don't even I genuely
32:38don't even want to be in
32:39>> I would never heavily attach myself to
32:41another influencer though ever. Yeah.
32:43ever. I'll never do it again. I mean,
32:45besides him, that ship IS INSANE.
32:47>> WE'RE TOO FAR GONE.
32:48>> DOWN. I'M GOING
32:49>> TOO FAR GONE.
32:51>> BUT I KIND of love at least you have
32:52that one person. That's how I felt, too.
32:53That's literally why I started just
32:54Trish cuz I was like, I cannot do
32:55another smart thing you've ever
32:59like. It's like Trisha, it's like
33:00something to be commended. I think
33:01you've done such an amazing job.
33:02>> Thank you. It was more out of like
33:04things just always went to and I
33:05was like, okay, I need to just like do
33:06my own and then like luckily I have
33:07Oscar and now he's an influencer. He
33:09just signed with Courage AGENCY AND
33:10YOU'RE [screaming] LIKE, "YEAH, THAT'S
33:12AMAZING." NO, he gets like he gets so
33:14many brand deals. Every time I'm like
33:15looking at his vlogs, every blog
33:16sponsor. [laughter] I was like, "THIS IS
33:17AMAZING."
33:18>> OH, NO. YOU'RE really getting all of it.
33:21I [laughter]
33:22>> He's like brand.
33:23>> You really are. It's really amazing. The
33:25flowers you deserve.
33:26>> It's absolutely
33:28>> How did you guys meet? We met through
33:30Patrick Star.
33:31>> Yeah. And like we had like we had
33:32>> Was that the reason you guys QUIT ME
33:34FIRST? THAT [laughter] THE OTHER woman
33:39it was even LONGER AGO THAN
33:41>> IT WAS IT OH THIS IS LITERALLY like you
33:42guys this is like 11 years ago like this
33:43is like such deep cut history but um
33:46yeah like you guys were really good
33:47friends um I was
33:48>> and were good friends you and Patrick
33:50were good friends and then me and you
33:51came became good friends we just clicked
33:53>> we like we met like we through him and
33:55then we had went to an event together
33:57actually and we were like I feel like we
33:59just vibe and like dead ass that day I
34:02go
34:03>> do you feel We invite like really well.
34:06>> Oh my god. You invited me to the Dirty
34:0830 premiere. Who were the girls that
34:10created that?
34:10>> Dirty 30.
34:15That was awesome. [laughter] I also came
34:16for that, BUT I WAS COMING FOR
34:17EVERYBODY. I WAS LIKE I WAS SO JEALOUS.
34:19I WAS LIKE,
34:21>> we did two movies. I was like, what the
34:23>> why would they do?
34:24>> I was so bitter. So I remember I was
34:27like actually I know everything about
34:28that.
34:28>> We went there and we went invited me to
34:30go with him.
34:30>> I was like I feel like you'd be like fun
34:31to go with. Yeah.
34:32>> And genuinely we've been in separate
34:34>> and we never stopped being friends since
34:35that night.
34:36>> That night we had such a good night and
34:38like I felt like sometimes you know you
34:40can just meet people and you're like I
34:41feel like we're kin like in a weird way.
34:42Like I feel like we're cut from the same
34:44cloth.
34:44>> That's how I felt with you.
34:45>> Yeah.
34:46>> Where did you grow up Manny?
34:47>> San Diego. In Chila Vista.
34:48>> Oh that's crazy. Oh. So did you guys
34:50meet when you were living in San Diego?
34:51>> He was living in San Diego.
34:52>> I was in San Diego when we met and I was
34:54driving up from my house for events.
34:56Like I was driving up from Chila Vista
34:58>> trying to like make it. You know what
34:59then? I was like doing these things
35:00where I was like I'm going to just drive
35:02up these three hours to go to one event
35:03and drive back 3 hours too. Like I was
35:04doing that.
35:05>> Were you living in San Diego too then at
35:06the same time?
35:07>> Riverside.
35:08>> That's where I was born and raised.
35:10>> Yes. Why were you in Riverside?
35:11[laughter]
35:14>> Riverside
35:17Riverside. THIS IS WHAT [laughter] EVERY
35:20LIKE YOU'RE INSANE.
35:21>> The Inland Empire is insane. My dad is
35:23still in that area. The Marino Valley,
35:25all of that.
35:25>> I came from Montgomery, Alabama. And I'm
35:28not on my city at all. But
35:29whenever I got to Riverside, I WAS LIKE,
35:30"GOD DAMN, THEY GOT A WHOLE [laughter]
35:32MALL HERE.
35:35THEY GOT FOREVER 21. CRAZY.
35:38>> THIS IS SO NICE."
35:40>> AND WHEN I COME TO LA, THIS was the
35:42reaction I always GOT. THEY'RE LIKE,
35:43"WHAT? RIVER?
35:45>> DID YOU GO up and VISIT HER IN
35:46RIVERSIDE?"
35:47>> NO. I DID. LIKE we would drive and I
35:49would drive up. So then when we finally
35:50moved to LA, we're like,
35:52>> "Yeah, this is where you're me." Where
35:54did you guys first live in LA? Were you
35:55guys together in LA? I lived in
35:56Hollywood. Nope. I lived in Westwood and
35:59I got a little apartment in Westwood and
36:01Patrick Star I got him his first
36:03apartment so he lived like with me and
36:04we filmed the Brenda and Shirley show
36:06which is so YOU
36:07>> I LOVED IT like I remember those back in
36:09the day. It was Oh my god, I forgot. And
36:11you guys were like above each other,
36:13right? I remember the apartment you kind
36:14of see and then you guys like I kind of
36:16Yeah, I was like following back that I
36:17was like damn. And it was so funny.
36:18>> And I was in the building cuz I would
36:19just see them both.
36:20>> Wow, that is And then you don't want to
36:23move into the building too.
36:24>> No. [laughter] I was like, "No, no, no.
36:26I'm good. I'm going to stay at my place
36:27in Hollywood." But I didn't like
36:28Hollywood, though, either. Like, when I
36:30had moved out here, it was too busy. It
36:31was too intense. I moved from
36:32>> I literally went from like living with
36:34my family when I was like 24 to moving
36:36to Hollywood. Like, I just didn't know
36:37what to do. I just thought that's what
36:38you did
36:39>> at 24.
36:40>> At 24.
36:41>> I just moved by myself with my brother.
36:43>> You're younger than us. So, are you like
36:45Oscar's age? Are you in your early 30s?
36:47I'm like, NOT [laughter] TOO MUCH.
36:49>> SHE ALWAYS LOOKS AT ME. I'M LIKE,
36:51>> he's older.
36:52>> Wait, you said 24. So, I was like, now
36:54I'm just doing the math. I was like,
36:55"Okay, [laughter] so you look really
36:56good."
36:58>> Okay, you look great. Both of you look
36:59really great.
37:00>> I think we all look really great, you
37:01guys. I think we've all had gloves. Just
37:02I was just like,
37:03>> I was think we were just talking about
37:05this and I was like, is that just
37:06something like millennials say like we
37:07look so much better now or do we
37:08actually
37:08>> No, I think that we care more about like
37:09like we care. I think millennials are
37:11the first generation that started to
37:12care what they felt like and looked
37:13like.
37:13>> Yeah. The skin.
37:14>> And so I think skincare and like both
37:16like everything like doing things
37:17>> the resources.
37:18>> Sometimes I feel like people would have
37:19liked me better if I was prettier back
37:21then. It's true. People like prettier
37:22better pretty people. We're talking
37:24about that, too. But you were always
37:25skinny, so at least you had that cuz we
37:27were saying once you get skinny, who was
37:28skinny, skinny, and now they lick her.
37:29>> They treat you better.
37:29>> Yeah, they treat you better. That's
37:30true. It's a whole thing. [laughter]
37:32>> You were always pretty. You never had an
37:34ugly face on YouTube.
37:35>> I did.
37:35>> Yeah. Always pretty. Okay. Yeah. See,
37:37>> always.
37:38>> What do you think was the main glow up
37:39for you? Cuz I think you look exactly
37:40the same.
37:41>> Yeah, me too.
37:41>> In like a good way.
37:42>> Maybe I still [laughter]
37:44>> No, I'm like you like I feel like you've
37:46blown up too though.
37:48>> You work out now.
37:49>> Yeah.
37:49>> The working out. I feel like that's him
37:52with me. I feel like I started working
37:53out and I was like I feel like better.
37:54>> The inner glow coming from workout.
37:56Yeah, I think I agree. I remember Botox,
37:58a little Invisalign, dying my hair back
38:00dark. Like there were things.
38:02>> Okay. [laughter]
38:02I'm like, you know what?
38:03>> You guys have really good teeth. These
38:05are real.
38:05>> Not real.
38:06>> Real [laughter]
38:08are real. Sickening. Yours are not real.
38:10>> I have six veneers. Mhm.
38:12>> Wow. Six at the top.
38:13>> Oh my god. Both of yours teeth is so
38:18mine a little. No, yours. And they're so
38:20white. You guys whiten them? She whitens
38:21hers. I I can't whiten when you have
38:23veneers.
38:24>> Really? Well, they're just stay white
38:25all the time. That's just what they are.
38:26>> Ever had a tooth pop out?
38:28>> Never. You know what's funny? I watch I
38:30watch Tana have teeth pop out and I'm
38:32like, [laughter]
38:32>> what is going on?
38:35>> She spends good money on it.
38:36>> Dude, you know what it is though? It's
38:37because her teeth beneath it are
38:40smaller.
38:40>> They shave down. They did the shaving.
38:42>> I don't I have no prep veneers. I do not
38:44have shaved down those short teeth.
38:47[laughter]
38:47>> OKAY. HORSE GAP. He's at horse tape
38:50gaps.
38:51>> So I have like I had big gaps in my
38:53teeth. So I wanted to fill in my gaps.
38:54So I didn't have to shave my teeth cuz
38:56it's like
38:56>> popped it right. Oh my god. So I just
38:58have
38:59>> Did you have gaps when you started
39:00YouTube?
39:01>> Yeah. I have like little like things on
39:03the on the sides because of it.
39:04>> The glow up happens.
39:05>> The glow. But I also have done so many
39:06things. I got like a hair transplant.
39:08I've gone lipo. I've done the whole I
39:09told the full
39:11>> I'VE DONE [laughter]
39:13LAURA LIKE SHE'LL always clock me. I've
39:15done all the things. Yeah. I did it. I
39:16tried it.
39:16>> I want to do the It's Kella. It's not
39:18like surgery. Yeah.
39:19>> Yeah. It's like the shots.
39:20>> Oh, okay. I'm going to get like my
39:21>> I'm always the type of person I was
39:22like, I'll try anything.
39:23>> He will. He loves Serge.
39:24>> I love And I love that you're so open
39:26about it, too.
39:27>> I got a BBL 10 years ago.
39:29>> You got a BBL.
39:31>> I [laughter] swear I always say I'm
39:33like, why was I patient zero?
39:34>> 10 YEARS AGO. I WAS LIKE, GIRL,
39:35>> 2016. I GOT A BBL in 2016, which is
39:38crazy because like that B bills like
39:40weren't like again a thing. Like it just
39:42wasn't a thing.
39:43>> Why did you want such a big butt?
39:44>> I [laughter]
39:45did such a fat ass. Um, you know what's
39:48funny? So in high school I felt like I
39:49was like I had like a cute body. I had
39:50like a nice ass. I got really sick in
39:52high school when I was a senior. I got
39:54hepatitis A.
39:55>> Oh.
39:55>> And like I had gotten it's basically
39:57like a softer version of hepatitis where
40:00like basically like if you're eating
40:01food that's been like tampered with or
40:02like it's unsafe. I like lost I think I
40:04had like lost like 35 lbs in a month.
40:06>> Wow.
40:07>> And it was like I got really sickly and
40:08I had like stretch marks and I lost
40:10everything. So I was kind of like from
40:11then on I was like I feel like I want to
40:12like get my ass back and like I want to
40:14like do things. So that is like kind of
40:15the reason why I wanted to get it. But I
40:17was, it was the first surgery I've ever
40:18gotten. And it's crazy because people
40:20always say like, "Your first surgery
40:21ever was a BBL." And I'm like, "I know.
40:22I don't know why I decided to do that,
40:24but I did."
40:24>> And no one knew it was like super
40:25dangerous back then.
40:26>> I know. I had no idea cuz people ask me
40:28now, like, we actually just talked about
40:29this yesterday. And she was we lit
40:31talked about it. She was like, "Would
40:32you get a BBL now knowing what you
40:34know?" And I'm like, "I don't think I
40:35would."
40:35>> I just asked him that.
40:36>> I don't think I would. Not by my
40:39Yes. I think they look crazy. I also
40:40did. Mine got went down a little. Mine
40:42went down. I had a BBI. I got the lipo
40:44where they transferred. My belly was so
40:46flat and it was like Yeah, I was cuz
40:47mine was a really wide butt. It wasn't a
40:49like a bubble. I wanted
40:50>> I wanted a bubble too at the top.
40:51>> But I kind of like I kind of hate it
40:53now. It's gone down a lot. Has yours
40:54gone down? Like sitting on it?
40:56>> People ask me that all the time. They're
40:57like is cuz they always say like you
40:59have like a normal like looking BB like
41:01it looks very like you would never know.
41:02But I always say like no it's because I
41:04work out now so I have like muscle in my
41:06ass as well. So it's helping me like
41:08keep like what I had. So, it's not like
41:11huge, but it's like good proportions.
41:13>> Yeah, cuz the big deals are the big
41:14butts are kind of out now. Everyone's
41:15got the trend.
41:16>> I was also never the girl that like got
41:18the hippie. I was like not going to go
41:19hippie cuz like that makes sense cuz
41:21you're girly. They wanted that they
41:23wanted that figure, but I was never the
41:25boy that wanted to have like hips.
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43:19new ones that have come up after you
43:20like the boys in makeup, the ones that
43:22get so you're like friends, you mentor?
43:24You know, I feel like I I've talked to
43:25so many like uh ones I can just think
43:27off the head like Dow, you know, Dow
43:28>> Ding.
43:30He was like our fifth guest. He was
43:31great.
43:32>> We love Dow. We We just are huge fans of
43:34him. And Jesse is another
43:36>> D is a child, by the way. He's 21.
43:38>> It shocks me.
43:39>> I didn't know he said when he was on the
43:40podcast, he just turned 18. [laughter] I
43:41was like crazy. It's insane. I'm over
43:45>> so young. So, I feel like in a way it's
43:48like I am friends and like we're
43:50acquaintances, but I do feel like
43:51sometimes because they are so much
43:52younger, like the generation is so
43:53young, I'm not like that close. Like I'm
43:56just [laughter] not
43:58just not like that close. But I feel
43:59like in a way it's like it's nice for me
44:01to see other men in the space like come
44:04up in a way in beauty because again it's
44:06like
44:06>> I always like talk about this and you
44:08know like the this talking about beauty
44:10in the way of like men being included
44:12but never taking over you know and I
44:14think that like it's been a common
44:15conversation the whole like like the
44:17boys like where are the boys kind of
44:18conversation and it's like no I always
44:20want women to be the forefront but it's
44:22nice when boys are included because it
44:24gives visibility to people and it gives
44:26them a slightly like different point of
44:28view
44:28>> and That's why I always found really
44:29really important cuz I'm like no no no
44:30no. The reason I even keep my facial
44:32hair in a beard is cuz I want people to
44:33be like that's odd
44:35>> and think about why it's a low odd.
44:36>> Yeah.
44:36>> And like to go forward. So I've been
44:38able to do these crazy cool
44:39collaborations with these big brands.
44:40And it's like it's so nice because
44:42you're showing me to an audience that
44:44might be like I hate gay people.
44:47>> It's not a choice,
44:48>> you know? So I think that is what's
44:50really important about like the space. I
44:51whenever I see beauty boys coming up,
44:52I'm like I hope that they just make it
44:55and like keep doing what they're doing
44:56and just like moving up forward because
44:57I want it to be very spread out cuz you
45:00know it's like visibility. I think
45:01visibility is just so important in our
45:03space
45:03>> and I feel like it is right. Do you feel
45:04that way now? Like I think in 2026 it's
45:06like totally like
45:07>> you guys normally see all the boys in
45:10the beauty.
45:10>> Yeah. And you never think now when you
45:12like go down the street or something.
45:13Did you guys ever work at Mac? Were you
45:14guys ever MAC people?
45:15>> I wanted to. I was too scared.
45:16>> Oh really? intimidated cuz you remember
45:18back in those days like Mac was like
45:21>> the echelon if you were a Mac artist.
45:24>> Oh, you were the that girl.
45:26>> Yes. So I was intimidated.
45:28>> I worked there.
45:29>> You did? Which Mac store were you at?
45:31>> I was at I worked at mostly I was a
45:32freelancer but I worked at Plaza Venita
45:34in San Diego like the most like that's
45:36like where I was at.
45:36>> Is that at Fashion Valley or No,
45:38>> it was in Plaza's like super like in
45:40like National City like lower Chila
45:42Vista and I worked there for like a
45:44year. I was freelancing for a year after
45:46I had worked at Sephora for a year.
45:47>> Oh my god. Yeah, the MAC people were
45:49everything. Ronnie, who's also friends
45:50with Patrick, he was a Mac person.
45:53One of my very good friends here, too.
45:55>> He's amazing. He's so talented, too.
45:57>> He's so talented. And so, I remember
45:58when I found out he worked at MAC, I was
46:00like, "Oh my god." Cuz I was like, "Did
46:01you guys I mean, it was kind of
46:02everything." And I still love Mac. I
46:04still love Mac today. I think it's like
46:05so cool. But who am she
46:06>> today? This is Ari. Ari is one of my
46:08favorites. Yeah, she's I've known her
46:10for like 14 years. Thank you so much. I
46:12cannot do my own makeup. My daughter
46:14Malibu does makeup and she's very good.
46:15She's
46:16>> You stole my baby name. Malibu Barbie.
46:18[laughter]
46:21>> I'm so obsessed WITH IT. I WANTED YOU
46:24LIKE
46:26THAT NAME. It wasn't MY BABY NAME.
46:27>> OKAY. OKAY. THAT WOULD have been crazy.
46:31>> Oh my god. Do you guys have Do you guys
46:33have pets? Do you have animals? Do you
46:34guys have
46:35>> My niece?
46:36>> Your niece? Okay, that's what I was
46:39going to ask you about. Okay. So, you
46:40This is like such a crazy arc line cuz
46:42like for you it's not an arc line. It's
46:43like your life. BUT LIKE I [laughter]
46:44REMEMBER
46:46THE ARC THAT YOU'RE ON.
46:47>> Are you ever writing a book cuz your
46:49story cuz it's your it's so your niece
46:50did you adopt her? She came to live with
46:52you when she was in high school. She
46:54came Okay. So my sister always struggled
46:56with drugs
46:57>> and my niece I saw that that was going
46:59very downhill. But I didn't have legal
47:01custody of her. So I would take her in
47:03the summer. So the summer she was 14
47:04years old. She came and lived with me
47:06and then I had to send her back which
47:08was really unfortunate because I was
47:09trying to get my sister to sign her over
47:10to me because [snorts] you can have them
47:12sign so I can put her into school here.
47:14>> Um and she wouldn't but my sister was so
47:16bad off at this time. It was just like
47:18>> it was a battle. It really was an actual
47:20like court battle.
47:21>> It was so it turned into a full So I had
47:23to send her back for I think like three
47:25or four months and then I had hired a
47:27lawyer in Alabama and I would just fly
47:29back and forth and go to court and um I
47:31won her. So yeah.
47:33>> Oh my gosh. What year was this?
47:35>> 2018 when I got cancelled.
47:37>> All dude,
47:38>> this is happening. [laughter] This is
47:39happening in the midst of that.
47:41>> It almost blew up my court case.
47:43>> Yeah.
47:43>> Oh,
47:44>> cuz I didn't want the judge to Google me
47:46>> or look me up. Cuz it was like I was de
47:48the demon from hell. So I was like, "Oh
47:51my god, if this judge looks me up, he's
47:53going to be like, "This is not
47:54>> We're not [laughter] going to get to
47:55you."
47:57>> So imagine we're like,
47:59>> "Oh my god." So I'm like,
48:01>> that is insane. Yeah. And
48:02>> so you won her in 18 in 2018.
48:05>> I won her J I did the court case in uh
48:08December 2018 and then I to January 2019
48:12she came and live with me cuz I won and
48:14she was able to move in in January.
48:15>> Wow. And you put her in school, you
48:16enrolled
48:17>> everything. Yep. So she was 15 cuz in
48:19December she turned 15 and then so she
48:20was 15 when I got her.
48:22>> Was it a natural thing for you? Cuz that
48:24is crazy to have just like a teenager I
48:25know it's your family but just come like
48:26all of a sudden live with you and you're
48:28you're the sole provider.
48:29>> Flipped our worlds upside down. And also
48:32Aaron's a very sweet kid. You know
48:33there's like bad kids are like
48:35and like always getting into trouble and
48:36stuff. She wasn't like that at all. But
48:38there were a lot of problems because of
48:40what she was coming out of.
48:41>> Yeah.
48:42>> She had all Fs in school. Like I mean it
48:44was a really rough situation. So that
48:46transition we had to show her also like
48:48a lot of hard love because she never had
48:49to do anything her whole life because
48:50she was just like
48:52>> floating through life on her own kind of
48:53you know what I mean? Just like no none
48:56>> like [snorts] truly none. So we're like
48:57no you got to go to school every
48:59day. And I was like, you have to pick a
49:00sport or you have to pick an activity
49:02like no matter what because I was like,
49:03you're she's the most sorry, Aaron. She
49:05was like at the time the most
49:06unconfident per kid I've ever seen and
49:08that's going to you up later in life,
49:10>> you know, like she couldn't even show
49:12her toes. She had a lot of like issues.
49:14So therapy made her play sports
49:18a lot a lot of structure into her life
49:20and it really really really changed her
49:22life.
49:22>> How did you know how to do that?
49:24>> I don't know. Oh, I think I look back
49:26all the time and by the way, I could
49:27have done better if it were me now.
49:29>> Yeah.
49:30>> I cuz I think back I'm like, damn, I
49:32could have even done more. I could have
49:33done better. But I'm really proud of me
49:34and my husband for what we do.
49:37>> Like so insane to just kind of know that
49:39I have three kids and I don't even think
49:40I'm that maternal. Like I wouldn't even
49:42like I'm so bad like knowing what's good
49:43for them and like all the stuff like
49:44that. Like to know it especially with a
49:46teenager and then also during the
49:47cancellation and this influencer life
49:49like that. It was hard, too, cuz I was
49:52like wrecked online, but kids would like
49:54know who she was going to school, so
49:56they would bully her in school.
49:58>> Oh my god,
49:58>> dude. One kid just kept playing my
50:00apology video in class.
50:02>> Like, kids are cruel.
50:03>> That's my biggest fear. My kids are
50:05going to fear. It's okay because I
50:07literally wrote the craziest email
50:09you've ever seen in your life to that
50:10school. And I threatened the school and
50:12I [laughter] said, "If it ever happens
50:13again, I'm not going to call you. I'm
50:15not going to write an email. I'm going
50:16to walk into the classroom and I'm going
50:19to go to jail.
50:19>> Oh my god, THAT'S SO THAT'S WHAT YOU
50:22WANT TO DO WITH your kid. Yeah, you
50:24flagged. Yeah. [laughter]
50:26[screaming]
50:27>> I was like, let me tell you this thing.
50:31>> Chris is Carrie Red. [laughter]
50:32>> Yeah, that was Carrie Red. That's her.
50:37>> Chris
50:39play it now.
50:40>> That would be me. That would be me 100%.
50:42break the door off of that classroom and
50:44I will bust heads open.
50:45>> Do you remember how I would ask you all
50:46the time? I said, "How do you know to do
50:47this?" I would send her messages. I'd be
50:49like, "Lord, I don't know. I don't
50:50understand like how you know to like do
50:52these things and how to like parent.
50:53Like I'm so confused."
50:54>> To build confidence and stuff like that.
50:55That's a that's a challenge for anyone.
50:57That's amazing that you ask her.
51:00It just came. It just I felt it. But I'm
51:02such a Virgo and like a structured
51:04person. I'm such a you can do hard
51:06things. Like look at my life. Like I
51:08came out of Alabama like the craziest
51:10family story ever. and like became who I
51:12am because I feel like I'm just like
51:13such a
51:14>> I don't know. I believe you can do
51:16anything
51:16>> and I believe anyone can do anything. So
51:18I hold people very accountable to their
51:20abilities.
51:21>> But that's so important. I think that's
51:22the biggest thing is like yeah growing
51:23up too I never was told like I could do
51:25anything. I just thought like I couldn't
51:26do anything so I was like well I'll just
51:27resort to anything. But that's if kids
51:29have that guidance. I always think that
51:30like if they're like I always tell my
51:31daughters like you're so smart you could
51:32be a scientist. Like they're doing
51:33volcanoes. I'm like you could be like
51:35you just you need that encouragement
51:36[snorts] because otherwise you end up
51:37like me or whatever. You know what I
51:38mean? It's and I think that's so are you
51:40writing a book? Are you going to do like
51:41a memoir?
51:41>> Dude, so many people have asked me. I
51:43feel like I don't know enough yet to
51:44write a book.
51:45>> Girl, you do you're literally had a
51:48child like a 15-year-old, [laughter] a
51:4914-year-old come into your life. Like
51:51that that alone is a story. Your sister,
51:53your kids, it's crazy story.
51:55>> I think you're at like we're the same
51:57age. I think you're at a good age cuz I
51:58just wrote my [laughter]
52:00enough knowledge sometimes when they're
52:02like young like you're 28. No, you're
52:0435. [laughter]
52:06>> YES. YEAH. THAT'S EXACTLY how old I Why
52:09did I think you're 10 years younger
52:10right now?
52:10>> I'M LIKE, YOU'RE SO [laughter] SMART.
52:12LIKE, I love that book. I can't wait to
52:14read it.
52:16>> WHERE'S MY COPY?
52:18>> IT'S SO INTERESTING cuz you said the way
52:20you grew up, was it like hard, too?
52:21Like, was it like not easy?
52:23>> It I just grew up where like my dad was
52:26an alcoholic from the time I was born,
52:27which I mean, everybody's parents are
52:28alcoholics. I feel like IT
52:31[laughter]
52:35>> not mine. [laughter] ALL RIGHT.
52:37NOT EVERYBODY'S THERE.
52:39>> I'M LIKE,
52:40>> OKAY. OKAY.
52:41>> NOPE. Not going [laughter] to be that
52:42one.
52:42>> I think you think that too. It's kind of
52:44like crazy.
52:44>> You know what? I kind of did growing up.
52:46I kind of thought like everybody's life
52:48was like this. So, I never looked at my
52:49life growing up and was like, "Damn, we
52:51got a rough." Like, I never saw it like
52:53that, but then I grew up and I was like,
52:54"Oh, we are bad off."
52:56>> Yeah. It's like there's no social media
52:58back then either. You're not
53:00>> Exactly. So, also my mom dropped out of
53:02high school at 17 to marry my dad. Like,
53:04I never had to go to school. I never had
53:05to do anything. We just had to get a job
53:07and work and like we never had any
53:09money. We never had anything. And my
53:11sister got pregnant at 16. You know, she
53:13had to drop out and have a baby. It was
53:15just I'm the first girl in my immediate
53:16family to even graduate high school. So,
53:18like that's the family I came from. And
53:20look how far I made it in life. You know
53:21what I mean? So, but growing up in that,
53:23I don't know. I just always kind of like
53:25>> I don't know. My sister used to call me
53:26a snob sometimes. I love her now, so I'm
53:29not even shing her, but
53:30>> she was like, "You're such a snob." And
53:32I was just like, I just feel like I
53:34>> I don't want to say I'm I'm not better
53:36than you guys, but you guys don't act
53:38right.
53:38>> You can do more.
53:39>> I can do more. You guys can do more. And
53:41y'all don't act right. I hate how all of
53:44you act besides my mom. Me and my mom
53:45were best friends.
53:46>> Okay. So, you're still close with now
53:48your sister, your mom, your dad.
53:49>> Mom passed away. Dad passed away. Never
53:51had a good co.
53:53>> Oh my god.
53:54>> Freaking CO, dude. She got CO in 3
53:56weeks. Took her life.
53:58>> Isn't that crazy?
53:59>> Oh my gosh. Yeah, life can be a real
54:01bastard sometimes.
54:02>> You've had a lot. No, but this is like I
54:04always think my missteps were because of
54:06me and stuff I did to myself, but yours
54:07is like life throwing situations. You've
54:09had situations that challenged me.
54:12>> And what really sucked during that time
54:14though is my sister. She ended up going
54:17to prison after
54:20all of this happened. So, and then my
54:23mom gets sick while she's in prison. And
54:24so it just sucked so bad cuz my sister
54:26never got to say bye to my mom or
54:28anything cuz that happened while she was
54:30in prison. But prison was the best thing
54:31that ever happened to my sister because
54:33she came out
54:34>> I believe in that so much. Yeah.
54:36Sometimes you just sometimes it works,
54:37right? People
54:38>> Sometimes it works and sometimes it
54:40doesn't. I It worked for her.
54:41>> She's out now and she's good. She's on a
54:42good path.
54:44Aaron's life.
54:45>> They're good now. They talk. They're not
54:47like uh as close, but they're in good
54:52terms. And I like that because I always
54:53tell Aaron, which I'm always like I'm
54:55her number one supporter no matter what.
54:57>> And I'm always I feel like whenever
54:59you're young, you always carry this
55:00guilt if you don't talk to a family
55:02member or you need to cut someone off
55:03cuz you're young and you haven't
55:04experienced cutting off family before.
55:06So, it's scary. But I'm always like her
55:08backbone with that stuff. Like I'm like,
55:10"Dude, whatever you need to do." And I'm
55:12like, "If anyone's using or doing
55:13something, you don't have to talk to
55:14them ever again." And that's the rule.
55:16But her and her mom talk now and that
55:18makes me happy because I did explain to
55:19her I was like if you go through your
55:20whole entire life hating your mom that's
55:22gonna be like a weight on you. It's like
55:24gonna be [clears throat] a weight on
55:24your chest and you're gonna carry it.
55:26It's gonna ooze out and different things
55:28that lack of like motherly relationship.
55:30>> So I was like while your mom's clean I
55:32think it's a really good idea to like
55:33have a little relationship with her, you
55:35know, if you want that.
55:36>> Yeah. And you were like
55:37>> So they talk.
55:38>> How old is Aaron now?
55:39>> She is 22.
55:41>> Wow.
55:42>> Seven years. You had her for seven
55:43years. I mean like she's been out here
55:44for seven years. She's here. She's still
55:46in California.
55:47>> Yep. She lives with a best friend and
55:48well won't say where she
55:49>> lives. [laughter]
55:52Were you sad when I like I never want my
55:55girls to leave. I'm like I'm trying to
55:56create a house that they never want to
55:57leave. Were you like sad?
55:58>> They'll never leave you.
55:59>> Yeah. This is her mom. They'll never
56:02leave. I'm trying. They never leave.
56:03>> She's like, I want a pink house. I'm
56:04like, we'll paint this house pink.
56:06Whatever [laughter] it is, you know, I
56:07don't want them to leave. Was it hard
56:09for you to
56:10>> It was and it's very worrisome.
56:13>> You know what I mean?
56:14>> Yeah. So, one of the best things we ever
56:15did for her in high school whenever we
56:17got her a car, we got her a little Fiat
56:18and it would only go 70 miles cuz you
56:20know LA is like baby the trenches out
56:23here. You can get into any trouble but
56:25the car would always run out of battery
56:26before she could get too far.
56:27>> Was it electric? IT WAS ELECTRIC.
56:29ELECTRIC like no charge. So, [laughter]
56:31she could only go like very little
56:33space.
56:34>> Your intuition is crazy.
56:36>> Crazy.
56:36>> I couldn't imagine then then becoming
56:38like a mom to a 14-y old. I mean that's
56:40like anxiety overload cuz kids are you
56:41know they're pretty contained at this
56:42age but then teenagers are so freedom so
56:44so much freedom obviously the example
56:46she was given back it's like that's a
56:48lot so you felt it right away or just
56:49like instant
56:50>> kind of I was kind of a disaster myself
56:52cuz I was coming off a cancellation
56:53though you know so my's not right like I
56:56was like up too but maybe that was fun
56:57for her too you know [laughter]
56:59>> and Tyler you had Tyler too
57:00>> yeah and my husband he's he's amazing
57:02and he has the most straight on head
57:04like I wouldn't have been able to do
57:05half of what I've done without him
57:07>> I think that was probably the thing I
57:08probably envied about you the most I
57:09remember you married and having a
57:10relationship like really young and I was
57:11just like so Jacquine too. I remember
57:12just being like God I wish I could
57:13because that's all I wanted. I wanted a
57:15husband anything and that's one thing
57:16like money can't buy and everything like
57:18that. I was just like so jealous of
57:19anyone who has like in a relationship.
57:20So I think I was like such a hater on
57:22anyone getting married or engaged and I
57:24never cuz I never really had I never had
57:25a serious boyfriend. I lived with a
57:26boyfriend till Moses. So I was like 32,
57:28you know? I was like old. I was like
57:29late bloomer. How about you and your
57:31love life? Because [laughter] I just did
57:33a dating show a dating show. It's called
57:35Don't Date Alone and they they date with
57:37their besties. SO I WOULD HAVE LIKE
57:39THAT'S WHY I WAS LIKE WAIT YOU GUYS
57:40SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE SHOW ON THE SHOW
57:42>> and I GET TO HELP SEASON TWO SEASON THEY
57:44WOULD LOVE YOU on that show because it
57:46was so fun. I got to help like all these
57:48like people pick like their their
57:49people. So we had everything. We had
57:51Paulie, we had we had everybody on there
57:52and it was so fun. So you date with your
57:54bestie. The bestie helps ultimately pick
57:55the best the date and me too. I got to
57:57help too. So I was like wait you guys
57:59should be on it cuz you're so good.
58:00You're single right now.
58:01>> I'm single. I actually like I I struggle
58:03with dating a lot. Like dating for me is
58:05not something that is easy. Wait, why do
58:07you think? Cuz you're so good-looking.
58:09You're successful. Like, everyone thinks
58:11that.
58:13>> I'M LIKE, OSCAR, STOP. [laughter]
58:15>> OSCAR, stop hitting me.
58:17>> I get giddy. I get whenever I see a
58:19cute.
58:19>> No, you're cute. But I um I for me, so I
58:22have multiple things. So, I think that I
58:23have an avoided attachment style and
58:24I've come to like realize that as of my
58:26adulthood. Like I have learned to self
58:28soothe from such a young age because of
58:30my upbringing and feeling like I wasn't
58:32loved in capacities for who I was. So, I
58:35learned really young like that's even
58:36why I became successful because I'm the
58:38firstborn of a Mexican household where I
58:40was like I have to like if no like I
58:43have to make it work for myself because
58:44no one's going to make it work for me
58:45essentially is how I felt. So, I learned
58:47so young that I'm like
58:49>> I have to love myself. So, I
58:51>> feel like that has like kind of come
58:52with me in my adult life where I was
58:54like, well, I have such a content life.
58:55Like, I'm actually like really great. I
58:57have a great family. I have great
58:58friends. Like, I don't really need a
58:59partner unless I feel like,
59:01>> you know, they're like really with me in
59:03that capacity. So whenever I'm dating
59:04and like Laura knows she hears like my
59:06horror stories like genuinely I'll go
59:07through bits where I'm like I'm lonely.
59:09I'm going to go on five dates in one
59:10month. Like I'll literally do that and
59:12then I'll get so tired and I'll be like
59:14almost exhausted mentally where I'm like
59:15I can't date for 4 months.
59:16>> Yeah.
59:17>> So it's like kind of a cycle. It's like
59:18this weird cycle that I go through. And
59:19so the last guy like was dating and I
59:21was dating more on the serious side. He
59:23ended up being kind of like a mess. Like
59:25he was kind of like a disaster in some
59:26capacities. And he kept telling me he
59:28was a mess. He was like I have no money.
59:31Like I'm poor. I'm broke.
59:32>> Starving actor. Okay. a starving actor.
59:34>> HE WAS HONEST.
59:35>> HE WAS HONEST. NO, TOTALLY. And the
59:36thing is I'm like
59:37>> trying to cover it.
59:37>> He was He wasn't covering it, which I
59:39appreciated. But the thing is, I always
59:40tell people, I'm like, people know about
59:42you what you tell them.
59:44>> So, if you keep telling me you're a
59:45mess, you're a disaster. I'm never going
59:46to like I don't know what I'm going to
59:47do with my life. I'm going to think
59:48you're a mess. You're a disaster. I
59:49don't know what you're going to do with
59:50your life. So, I'm going to easily be
59:52like, I don't really want to talk to you
59:53anymore because my life is so good. And
59:55so, I have this like
59:57>> I have this like back and forth where
59:58it's like I could literally never find
59:59love in my whole life and be content at
1:00:01this point.
1:00:01>> That's great. Like I think about that
1:00:02all the time where I was like I think
1:00:03that maybe I'm just not meant to like
1:00:04find love at times and then I don't know
1:00:06if it's me rationalizing
1:00:07>> like the idea of not trying, you know,
1:00:09>> you're happy dayto day. I am so happy. I
1:00:12think that's the difference. I was like
1:00:14miserable and I was just like I need a
1:00:16partner. You know what I mean? And I
1:00:17think but my sister was very much like
1:00:18that too. And she's like I actually am
1:00:19so happy. And I think if you're a happy
1:00:21damn like you have a sister
1:00:22>> I have a sister. She just older or
1:00:24younger?
1:00:24>> She's younger. She's 30. She's 35. She
1:00:26just came out. She has her first
1:00:28girlfriend and she just like recently
1:00:29came out. Yeah. And she was the same
1:00:32recent. It was recent recent like a few
1:00:33months ago. She was the same thing.
1:00:35She's been single for 10 years. I'm just
1:00:36content. Like she lives with my mom down
1:00:37the street. She like loves it. She loves
1:00:39my nieces and nephews. And she like I
1:00:40love this life. Like I'm so happy. And I
1:00:42was like great. And then obviously she
1:00:43met her girlfriend and I was like and
1:00:44then I was like wait where did this all
1:00:46happen? And it was great. And now she's
1:00:47like in love now. They want to get
1:00:48married and have kids. And I'm like
1:00:49[laughter]
1:00:50>> I think that's so cool. Like I I don't
1:00:52ever like want to tell people like that
1:00:54you need to be in a relationship to be
1:00:55happy. I feel like it is about like
1:00:56figuring out your life for yourself and
1:00:58then when things happen you include them
1:01:00in your happiness. You don't like
1:01:01happiness doesn't come with them.
1:01:03>> And I have a friend I like I've had
1:01:05friends in the past where they were only
1:01:08like decent people when they were in
1:01:09relationships.
1:01:10>> Oh, interesting.
1:01:10>> And I and I actually like had to kind of
1:01:12like pull away from the friendship
1:01:13because I'm like
1:01:14>> when you're not with someone, you're
1:01:16kind of a monster.
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1:03:15>> And you're only happy when you're with
1:03:16someone.
1:03:16>> I feel LIKE THIS IS ME. [laughter]
1:03:18>> LIKE JESUS CHRIST.
1:03:20>> Like yes.
1:03:20>> YOU'RE LIKE, "YES, I KNOW."
1:03:22>> SO I think it's really important and I
1:03:23try to preach that is like sometimes
1:03:26love won't find you in the moment that
1:03:26you think it's going to, but you have to
1:03:28be like happy with like what you have.
1:03:30Like preaching like gratitude and like I
1:03:32practiced gratitude a lot for the last
1:03:33like 2 years
1:03:34>> changes your life.
1:03:34>> And it changed my life. It really has.
1:03:36Like I was like I felt like it's easy to
1:03:38be ungrateful, easy to be like this is
1:03:40so annoying. But when I started like
1:03:42thinking about like, wow, like look at
1:03:44the things I've done. Like the people I
1:03:45have in my life, like I have an amazing
1:03:46life. I have an amazing relationship
1:03:48with my family. Like I have a good life.
1:03:49So why would I have like this one piece
1:03:51of my triangle? It might not be there,
1:03:53but I would not not be happy because I
1:03:54don't have that.
1:03:55>> I mean, that's the most important thing.
1:03:56I think what you're like grateful for
1:03:57the things you do have, then it's like
1:03:58happiness finds you.
1:04:00>> Yeah, I really think so. I'm a happy
1:04:01person. Like I I would say like I'm a
1:04:03happy individual. Like I like life. I'm
1:04:05happy with how things are.
1:04:06>> It would be cool to have someone. I
1:04:08never would like.
1:04:09>> It makes it harder to find someone
1:04:10though when your life is so good.
1:04:12>> Yes,
1:04:13>> dude.
1:04:13>> Honestly, I think like if anything ever
1:04:15happened to me, I would never date again
1:04:16cuz I was like my life [laughter]
1:04:19all the time. I'LL NEVER FIND AGAIN.
1:04:21>> NEVER. And also like my life is so No
1:04:23one could enhance it the way Moses does
1:04:24like anything. I was like I I would be
1:04:25over it. I'd be like I'm just going to
1:04:26do it myself. It's true. Um we met
1:04:29there's such a long STORY TO THAT.
1:04:31[laughter]
1:04:32THIS LIKE
1:04:34>> I DID a dating show podcast and his
1:04:36sister was one of the hosts and then uh
1:04:38co happened. We met two days before co
1:04:40and so I was like hey your brother was
1:04:41supposed to apply for this which was
1:04:43Moses. He saw it on the podcast DM'd me
1:04:45and then like two days later quarantine
1:04:46happened and we quarantined together.
1:04:48She was quarantine in two days. Two
1:04:50days.
1:04:50>> After two days. We went on one date on
1:04:52that Saturday before quarantine happened
1:04:53and then he was like trying to like we
1:04:55tried to hang out again the next day and
1:04:56then quarantine happened and then we're
1:04:58like we both didn't have anyone to
1:04:59quarantine with. So we're like let's it
1:05:01was like a dating show. We were just
1:05:02like together for like 9 months straight
1:05:03and got engaged and yeah lot of ups and
1:05:05downs.
1:05:06>> I'm not obsessed with it. This is like
1:05:08this is a movie like to me it's like
1:05:09[laughter]
1:05:10there could be a movie about
1:05:11quarantining and it would be this.
1:05:13>> It was kind of
1:05:14>> a romcom. It isn't a Matt anymore. I
1:05:16don't know if [laughter] it was a long
1:05:17film or a horror film at the beginning.
1:05:19>> OBSESSION.
1:05:20>> OBSESSION. YOU'RE KILLING OBSESSION.
1:05:22>> OSCAR RECOVERING [laughter] LIKE THIS is
1:05:23killing me. What did I just say?
1:05:25>> Wait till YOU READ THAT BOOK.
1:05:28[screaming]
1:05:28>> YES, it's in the book. I talk about it
1:05:30in there too. Yeah, there's a lot of
1:05:31That's what I'm saying. You need to
1:05:32write a book if for nothing else for
1:05:33your fans to give you just a timeline of
1:05:35events cuz that's what I liked about my
1:05:36book is like obviously everyone knows
1:05:38everything but a timeline and events and
1:05:39like what was happening.
1:05:40>> Did you say so many little nuances that
1:05:41like people just don't know? Yeah, I
1:05:43have so many little things. But that's
1:05:45why it's so important, I think, to like
1:05:46write. I think everyone should write a
1:05:48book, but specifically I love influencer
1:05:49books or something like that cuz it is
1:05:50just like so like even hearing your
1:05:52story now and just knowing that timeline
1:05:53of cancellation and then you also like
1:05:55getting your like daughter and it's like
1:05:57so wild to see all that and then
1:05:59obviously you guys like the intersection
1:06:00you guys had had throughout life cuz now
1:06:01you guys have full coverage together.
1:06:03When did this start? I It's been a
1:06:05couple years, right?
1:06:05>> Yeah. Four years.
1:06:07>> Yeah. Four. How crazy.
1:06:09>> When did you guys start? What? 2022. Is
1:06:10that what it was? 22. Yeah, we started
1:06:12in 2022 and we thought like our Yeah, it
1:06:15was our managers cuz we don't want more
1:06:16work. WE'RE VERY TIRED.
1:06:18>> I DON'T WE'RE DONE, BRO. PLEASE.
1:06:22>> I feel like you guys are now getting
1:06:24your second act like
1:06:26people keep telling us and I I genuinely
1:06:29like I always attest. I'm like I think
1:06:30full coverage has like really helped us
1:06:32in ways because it's able to see
1:06:34>> I think the cool thing about pockets is
1:06:35people are able to see you in like a
1:06:36different way. They see us as like
1:06:38beauty gurus, you know, like just like
1:06:39just like all like
1:06:41no, we like talk about on the
1:06:43podcast. You're getting a different
1:06:44version of us. But it was our teams that
1:06:45were like, "You guys talk a lot.
1:06:47>> We need to start a PODCAST TOGETHER.
1:06:49>> YOU GUYS DO LOVE YOU GUYS ARE THE BEST
1:06:50TALKERS I've [laughter] ever like damn
1:06:52this is like and it's great cuz it's
1:06:54like so easy to like talk to you guys
1:06:55and have a podcast cuz like you guys
1:06:57never stop talking. Great." [laughter]
1:07:00>> I love it. I love it. Me and the podcast
1:07:02are on our podcast. WE'RE LIKE, "THANK
1:07:03GOD."
1:07:04>> YES. OH MY GOD. WE NEED TO COME ON. DO
1:07:06YOU GUYS HAVE MULTIPLE MICROPHONES?
1:07:09>> The whole thing. Moses coming too.
1:07:10[laughter]
1:07:12>> Moses is coming.
1:07:13>> Oh my. Where do you guys I have to like
1:07:15is it close by today? It's not far.
1:07:17Yeah, you're not far. [laughter]
1:07:20>> It's fun. We enjoy it cuz the thing is
1:07:21like I feel like we come from a
1:07:22different angle and I feel like you
1:07:23probably is it resonates with you
1:07:25because we have been cancelled.
1:07:27>> So when we're talking about things like
1:07:28there's like a different version of us
1:07:30>> of it. We're also not scared. You know
1:07:32how people were so scared? Honestly, I'm
1:07:34scared. BE LIKE, I'M SCARED TO GO ON
1:07:35TRISH'S PODCAST. I'M NOT SCARED.
1:07:37[laughter]
1:07:38>> I WAS MORE SCARED as soon as you guys
1:07:39came and I was like, I'm so scared.
1:07:40Like, why? Like, honestly, just I felt
1:07:42so bad. I was like, "Oh my god, I feel
1:07:43horrible. You guys make me feel so much
1:07:44better." But I get scared. I get scared
1:07:46to talk about people and cancellations.
1:07:47You guys are like not You said,
1:07:48>> "Well, it's not that [laughter] it's
1:07:49like it's not that I'm scared to talk
1:07:50about it. I think that it's like we're
1:07:51just seeing it from a different lens
1:07:52where it's like I feel like it's good to
1:07:54hold people accountable in aspects
1:07:55because it's like no, I think that's
1:07:56actually how a lot of people us have
1:07:58grown in so many ways. you. We've all
1:08:01grown because of accountability, but
1:08:03obviously we never take it too hard
1:08:05because like you were saying, we know
1:08:07what it's like. So, we always like tread
1:08:08lightly no matter how bad the
1:08:09cancellation is and we try not to take
1:08:11it too too too too hard because we're
1:08:13like we also got our asses tore out of
1:08:15this. [laughter] That's why they call it
1:08:16rapid fire cuz it's like we always do
1:08:17bite-sized things of topics where it's
1:08:19like we're not doing
1:08:20>> Is there one cancellation or somebody
1:08:22like recently that you do go hard on and
1:08:24you're like well
1:08:25>> Ethan Ethan
1:08:26>> we're shredding [laughter]
1:08:27that like we're genuinely we are
1:08:29shredding a little bit on that one.
1:08:31>> We are shredding.
1:08:33>> Yeah. We don't care. That one is like
1:08:34>> also I've always and we've never spoken
1:08:37a word about Ethan cuz we don't know
1:08:38him. Like we don't know anything about
1:08:39this dude at all but I've always told
1:08:41Manny behind the scenes and I said this
1:08:42on a podcast I've always thought he was
1:08:43a grown ass bully. like like just like
1:08:46the constant picking on people that have
1:08:48nothing to do with him have just always
1:08:49just kind of been like that's so
1:08:50interesting.
1:08:53It's so extreme, you know? So that's
1:08:54just always been so interesting to me to
1:08:57see that. So I always knew he was just a
1:08:59grown ass bully and that's what I would
1:09:01say.
1:09:01>> So we did go a little in the situation
1:09:03is like there's no defending cheating.
1:09:05So it's like at the end of the day
1:09:06that's Yeah. I would say ours is like a
1:09:08Ned Fulmer or something. Obviously it's
1:09:09a cheating. It's a way to like you just
1:09:11can't really like there's no reason I
1:09:13would ever like defend or be soft on
1:09:15someone cheating. Like that's shitty. So
1:09:17I would like to express that that is a
1:09:19shitty thing to do.
1:09:20>> Yeah. And and like you said the bullying
1:09:21of like other creators. I think it was
1:09:22like a relief for so many people when it
1:09:24happened cuz And it's like sad like no
1:09:25one's ever excited for someone's
1:09:26cancellation. But then it's like more of
1:09:27a relief. I was like, "Oh, it's like I
1:09:29don't have to like wake up with
1:09:30anxiety."
1:09:30>> Were you gagged the second happened?
1:09:31>> Yeah. Were you gagged? Were
1:09:32>> you shocked? Um
1:09:33>> or were you kind of like MHM
1:09:36[laughter]
1:09:38people think I'm a prophet? I'm like,
1:09:40"No, no, no. I too
1:09:44witch." It's our [laughter] ETSY WITCH.
1:09:46>> I YEAH, I GUESS I I JOURNAL. I guess
1:09:48that could be like a spell book, BUT
1:09:50IT'S
1:09:52>> so I do. She's [laughter] like, and a
1:09:54drop of blood every night.
1:09:58>> She's like, "We do it." [laughter]
1:10:00>> Her and Joey did pee around. Didn't you
1:10:02pee around the house? Like
1:10:03>> Yes. That little protection like you do
1:10:05pee around. You know how Joey gets a
1:10:06little witchy witchy.
1:10:09>> Yeah, he has protection spells witches.
1:10:11I think I think he [laughter]
1:10:12has like 30 hell,
1:10:15>> which is kind of good. He's kind of like
1:10:16thriving and everything like that. So
1:10:18yeah, I do I love like protection. I do
1:10:19all good and it's not spells. I don't
1:10:21want people to be [laughter] like, "Oh
1:10:21my god,
1:10:23>> no, I like I'll do like I call it like
1:10:25prayer. If I'm like, "Please, just
1:10:26anything to like leave me alone sort of
1:10:27thing." And it's never like a downfall.
1:10:28It's just like anything to sort of like
1:10:30leave me alone and stuff. And so yeah, I
1:10:32was I was shocked. Obviously, it's like
1:10:33Moses' family, so it's like we we are we
1:10:35tried like more lightly just cuz it's
1:10:36like, you know, his family and sister,
1:10:37but but obviously I would love to say
1:10:40more, but you know what [laughter] I
1:10:41mean? But but there are Yeah, there's
1:10:43certain people like I went hard for Ned,
1:10:44so obviously in this situation it's like
1:10:47>> a lot worse. It's a lot worse
1:10:49>> because we see it and I mean all that
1:10:50stuff like that cuz I think when there's
1:10:51anyways there's a whole
1:10:52>> I think there's there's a difference
1:10:53between like let's say like getting
1:10:54cancelled for a mistake you made 10
1:10:55years ago getting cancelled for being a
1:10:57bad friend
1:10:58>> like things that we you know have gotten
1:11:00cancelceled for like when you see that
1:11:01from someone else it's like dude people
1:11:02can grow they can learn they can change
1:11:03when it's now happening you're a cheater
1:11:05now
1:11:06>> I don't really feel bad about going in
1:11:08honestly I don't and I think that's good
1:11:10>> and you don't have to say one single
1:11:11word about this but there's an episode
1:11:13where you literally look at him in the
1:11:14eye and you're like no you want a date I
1:11:16can tell and it's just so freaky because
1:11:18it's like you knew who he like you knew
1:11:21who he was and you knew what he wanted
1:11:23like you could tell.
1:11:24>> It's so people Yeah, I guess I got those
1:11:27clips and I was hoping [laughter] crazy.
1:11:28>> I bet you forget I bet you forgot A LOT
1:11:30OF THOSE CLIPS.
1:11:31>> THE CLIP HE'S LIKE ACTUALLY YEAH. Like
1:11:33he missed it [laughter] which is like
1:11:34crazy cuz I didn't I wouldn't say I
1:11:35foresaw it then cuz you know like you I
1:11:37would be like oh like they'll never
1:11:39divorce you're together for so long. So
1:11:41like there to me that's like oh you're
1:11:42together forever. So that was never like
1:11:43I knew. It was more like I was such a
1:11:45toxic person back then. So I'm like, of
1:11:46course you'd want to like people because
1:11:47that's what I would want. [laughter]
1:11:49YEAH, I HAD NO HEALTHY relationship to
1:11:50like I just started dating Moses, so
1:11:52there was like no like healthy
1:11:53relationship, but I had an example of so
1:11:54I thought, oh, everyone just cheats when
1:11:55they become famous and rich. So that's
1:11:57more where it was coming from than like
1:12:00your own personal like what you were
1:12:01feeling.
1:12:02>> Yeah, I didn't know them too much as a
1:12:03couple. I only met her a handful of
1:12:04times, he so I I didn't know them as a
1:12:06couple, so I was really just talking out
1:12:07of my ass, but sometimes it comes to
1:12:09fruition. So
1:12:10>> the gag [laughter] and it was you were
1:12:11talking about it from such a different
1:12:12place and it comes fruition and you're
1:12:13like
1:12:15Yeah, I WAS LIKE REALLY [laughter]
1:12:19just kind of saying whatever.
1:12:20>> I was I do say whatever a lot and people
1:12:22like she knew and I was like I was kind
1:12:24of just saying [laughter]
1:12:26my ass.
1:12:27>> Sometimes you just know like a Bryce
1:12:28Hall you just kind of know too. You're
1:12:29like obviously
1:12:30>> it just feel it.
1:12:32>> Yeah. So how are you guys keeping up
1:12:33with your hot topics? I Oscar so he's
1:12:35like very helpful.
1:12:36>> Yes. How are you? Are you guys do you
1:12:38have a producer? Are you no producer?
1:12:40>> Like things will just us like things
1:12:42actually do will pop up and
1:12:43>> and we text each other and we say RP
1:12:45rapid fire. We'll just shoot it in the
1:12:48random things.
1:12:49>> You do prep though. So it's like prep
1:12:51work like
1:12:52>> Mhm. for like a little bit before we're
1:12:53like okay like let's like bring
1:12:55about these things and we also like
1:12:57everybody does like we'll go scour
1:12:59YouTube and the internet and see what
1:13:00everybody's talking about. Like what is
1:13:02the hottest topic that everybody's
1:13:03talking about?
1:13:04>> That's what our audience wants to know.
1:13:06You know, they want our I'm like, why
1:13:08why do they want our hot? [laughter]
1:13:13I don't know. Do we have hot? I feel
1:13:14like a lot of times when things are
1:13:15happening that are intense, like maybe
1:13:17our hot take is a way of like being
1:13:18understanding.
1:13:19>> We can be a little too understanding. We
1:13:21can be understanding.
1:13:22>> It's because we've been wrecked so many
1:13:23times. Maybe that's why we have
1:13:24Michaela. Like we give her so much.
1:13:29Sorry.
1:13:30>> And some people HATE IT.
1:13:31>> THEY ALL HATE IT. like no Michaela
1:13:34for her and I said you think I'm going
1:13:36to wreck a girl in beauty that's trying
1:13:38to find her way
1:13:40>> with another accent like [laughter]
1:13:42sometimes trying to pedal AN ACCENT ON
1:13:44PEOPLE YOU THINK SHE ADMITTED SHE
1:13:46EXAGGERATED HER ASS
1:13:50good for you for admitting it
1:13:52>> she's a rage and I think
1:13:53>> she's a rage raider she's a rage raider
1:13:54>> you guys ever rage bait do you guys ever
1:13:56do it now or then
1:13:57>> apology video [laughter]
1:13:58unwillingly unwillingly
1:14:00>> unwillingly
1:14:02like we've been unintentionally,
1:14:04[laughter]
1:14:04>> you know, I don't I don't really feel
1:14:05like I'm a like rage bait. I feel like
1:14:06I'm just
1:14:07>> I don't care enough about the views, but
1:14:08back then I would like to do anything
1:14:10for a click or view to get big and
1:14:12popular and get a million views and now
1:14:14I'm just like
1:14:15>> What about that iPad giveaway?
1:14:18[laughter]
1:14:20>> Wake up.
1:14:22>> This is the drama everybody wants to be
1:14:24seen before. This is what got me
1:14:25uninvited to Joey's parties for THE REST
1:14:27OF IT. YES, [screaming] THAT WAS MY LAST
1:14:28ONE. It was the last and Daniel the next
1:14:32next year was like Gabby and Trish are
1:14:33not invited to this party and he said in
1:14:35a I was like damn all about the iPad.
1:14:37Daniel really [laughter]
1:14:40>> damn girl.
1:14:41>> Damn. Cuz I even think I saw you at
1:14:43Joey's house. I don't know if you
1:14:44remember it was like Fourth of July but
1:14:45we didn't do [laughter]
1:14:47six people.
1:14:47>> That's where we met. That's like
1:14:49actually it's so funny. We met there and
1:14:51the thing is like at this time I think
1:14:53you had wrecked Laura like you had
1:14:54already wrecked Laura.
1:14:55>> It was like 2019 or 2020 or something. I
1:14:58genuinely when I saw you I almost like
1:14:59paid you dust. Like I genuinely was like
1:15:02I didn't say a word to you. I looked at
1:15:03you and I go
1:15:04>> no I felt it but rightfully so.
1:15:06>> I genuinely was like for me it was like
1:15:08having her back. I WOULD NEVER LIKE hey
1:15:10girl I saw what you did to Laura. Like I
1:15:11just like I was like I'm just going to
1:15:13ignore her and you left like 10 minutes
1:15:15after.
1:15:16>> Yeah. It was a weird
1:15:17>> think you were there for like a while.
1:15:18>> He said it was a party and it was it was
1:15:19like [laughter]
1:15:20>> four people. Yeah.
1:15:21>> So then it's like super you Joey and I'm
1:15:23LIKE THIS RIGHT
1:15:25>> TALKING ABOUT JOEY THE whole time.
1:15:27Everybody felt that way which is fair
1:15:29honestly fair. I 100% would be the exact
1:15:31same way and I was being so crazy at the
1:15:32time but I guess we did
1:15:33>> like and a brief it was like literally a
1:15:34moment we didn't even say hi. We didn't
1:15:36do anything.
1:15:37>> No I I have no like I know and I I
1:15:39remember everyone I meet so I was like
1:15:40there was never a time where any of us
1:15:41met or that's why when Oscar was like oh
1:15:44I met them. I was like you have I was
1:15:45like I haven't even met them. Oh my gosh
1:15:46that's so crazy. So we've been we've
1:15:47been in the same
1:15:48>> in the same vicinity.
1:15:49>> Do you still talk to Joey? Yes. Yes. We
1:15:52just
1:15:53>> I hate this. I don't want to be this
1:15:54person cuz I always say he's an
1:15:55unproatic fave cuz I said that about
1:15:56Colleen and then that happened. So, but
1:15:57he is an unproatic fave. Like he seems
1:15:59to and even in real life we're saying he
1:16:01is like a neutral person.
1:16:02>> Oh, so soft. He literally is like he's
1:16:04just soft. I've never heard him like
1:16:06trash. He can be shady, but he can be
1:16:09shady but funny.
1:16:10>> Yeah. He's a key.
1:16:13He's shady in a fun way.
1:16:14>> He's not going to bring you the hot
1:16:16talk.
1:16:16>> He's not going to be nasty.
1:16:17>> He's not going to be nasty.
1:16:18>> Yeah. Yeah. He's Yeah. And in real life,
1:16:20I'd say he's even nicer. When he was on
1:16:21here, he can be like a little shady and
1:16:22stuff, but he's actually like super nice
1:16:23in like real life.
1:16:24>> Dial it up to come on A PODCAST.
1:16:26>> YES. 100%. CUZ I
1:16:27>> HE TURNS IT ON. He's like,
1:16:28>> "Yes." And I love I love the little sh.
1:16:29So you guys are still close with Joy. So
1:16:31what happened was this is 20 is this
1:16:332018? Was Oh, was this 2018?
1:16:37Yes.
1:16:38>> Yes. Yes. I think I've been back online
1:16:40for like weeks at this point.
1:16:42>> Mind you, she's going to court TRYING TO
1:16:43GET CUSTODY. HERE'S YOUR [laughter] ASS.
1:16:45I THOUGHT 2018. I'm like, I thought it
1:16:47was 2018. I thought it was 2019. That
1:16:48makes sense. 2018 was that year.
1:16:50>> So I told cuz you know they had that
1:16:51Christmas party every year. It was like
1:16:53an annual thing.
1:16:53>> That's where me and Oscar met in 2016 at
1:16:55the Joey party.
1:16:57>> Yes. We met there and he also had a
1:16:58similar story to yours. He's like you
1:16:59were in the corner alone. So I was like
1:17:01I just said hi [laughter] to you which
1:17:02is the story of my life which is by my
1:17:04own fault by the way. So I Yes. I'm not
1:17:06a social person and people didn't like
1:17:08me back then rightfully so. So it makes
1:17:10sense. So it was 2018 Christmas party.
1:17:12It was white elephant. Were they doing
1:17:13white elephant? They did it every year
1:17:14cuz we did the white elephant. Yeah.
1:17:16And so I told them I wasn't going to
1:17:18come this year cuz I was just rocked and
1:17:19it's like all influencers. So I'm like
1:17:21I'm like toast. I was like I'm not
1:17:22going to come and jo like come.
1:17:24It's fine. And I knew you were going to
1:17:25come. So I was like I don't want to come
1:17:26cuz you Yeah. They're like
1:17:29>> I was blindsided. I was like I shouldn't
1:17:30be here because I saw you guys and I was
1:17:32like I [laughter] probably shouldn't be
1:17:33here.
1:17:34>> Yeah. Job messy.
1:17:35>> They did.
1:17:36>> But they were like there's so many
1:17:37people there. It's not even going to
1:17:38matter. Cuz there were [laughter]
1:17:40people Yeah. And they were like, "This
1:17:41is not even going to
1:17:44There was so many people there."
1:17:45>> Yeah, it was like a fever dream.
1:17:47>> IT WAS THAT ONE in particular cuz it was
1:17:49>> I remember it so viscerally at their
1:17:51newer house. It was at the newer house.
1:17:52They had Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Cuz I
1:17:53was like this is all It has a sled
1:17:55outside. There was like snow outside.
1:17:57>> Yeah. It was like [laughter]
1:17:58you're literally like reactivating me.
1:18:00Oh my god.
1:18:00>> No, it was crazy.
1:18:01>> It was a really cool party actually.
1:18:03[laughter] I really put on a show. It
1:18:05was I think Gabby Hannah was there too.
1:18:06Yes, I think Jojo Siwa, Gabby, Hannah,
1:18:09Ros.
1:18:11>> That was that was the party. That was
1:18:13it. [laughter]
1:18:14>> That turned it off. Ended it all.
1:18:17>> No, I thought I was going to get wrecked
1:18:18at that party cuz you know, I'm walking
1:18:19in and like I'm the most hated person
1:18:21online and I'm like, hey.
1:18:24>> Well, then you see me and you're like,
1:18:25there's someone more hated than me.
1:18:26>> I'LL JUST NO, NO, NO. OKAY, I'LL JUST
1:18:27AVOID HER. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
1:18:30>> I'm nonrational. I'm like, I don't want
1:18:32>> I don't want [laughter] to talk in
1:18:33person. I'm good. Also, I was like,
1:18:35she's going to beat the OUT OF ME. I WAS
1:18:36LIKE, SHE HATES ME.
1:18:37>> I FEEL LIKE YOU WOULD BE THE ME NOW. I'm
1:18:40going car's mom into the school.
1:18:41[laughter]
1:18:42>> No, no, no. Yeah, I would be more
1:18:44scared. Yeah,
1:18:46>> I was more scared of you.
1:18:47>> I definitely was. [laughter] I would I
1:18:48would be more scared of everybody. I'm
1:18:49like, they're going to beat me.
1:18:50>> Um, no, but they were So, they did the
1:18:53uh white elephant game and I got the
1:18:55last number. So, you know, at the end
1:18:56you get to choose like you get to choose
1:18:58any gift and the whole time. So, I knew
1:19:00you brought expensive gifts, but you
1:19:02brought a Balenciaga sweater. Yes. Yes.
1:19:04>> So, there was a lot of cash that went
1:19:06around. I think it was like hundred and
1:19:07something dollars.
1:19:08>> Who said that? How come they had
1:19:09>> I thought it was you.
1:19:10>> Oh, no.
1:19:10>> I thought it was you the whole time
1:19:12because I knew you brought the two
1:19:13expensive gifts. So, I was like, her and
1:19:15Jason brought the water cash in the
1:19:16Balenciaga sweater. And I remember
1:19:18Andrea Russet sitting right beside me
1:19:21brought the or got the water cash. And
1:19:23so, since I was the last person that got
1:19:24to pick the last gift, I was like, I'm
1:19:26not going to take the cash cuz I know
1:19:27Trisha brought that I'm going to
1:19:28take the iPad. Oh, you didn't even KNOW
1:19:31THAT I BROUGHT IT.
1:19:31>> I DIDN'T know the iPad was you. I
1:19:33THOUGHT IT WAS THE BALENCIAGA sweater
1:19:35and the cash. [laughter]
1:19:38>> Never knew the iPad was you playing for
1:19:42both of us. [laughter] You both got
1:19:43cancelled this year. This is the regret
1:19:46I have for taking that iPad. Oh my god.
1:19:50I did not know the iPad was you. I
1:19:52thought it WAS THE CASH AND I [laughter]
1:19:53WAS LIKE, WHY DIDN'T I JUST TAKE THE
1:19:54CASH?
1:19:55>> OH MY CASH. I WOULD HAVE KNOWN.
1:19:57>> I know the cash. There's like a cap on
1:19:58like the money
1:19:59>> Jojo cuz I feel like she had like a
1:20:00Gucci thing.
1:20:02>> Other people bought expensive gift
1:20:05only [laughter]
1:20:06broke the rules. It was only supposed to
1:20:07I think Daniel called me out like she
1:20:09broke the rules. I was like
1:20:10>> Jojo did too. Like so MANY PEOPLE DID.
1:20:11>> YES. OKAY. Thank you for that redemption
1:20:13at least.
1:20:14>> So I took the iPad and then I decided I
1:20:16was like you know what I'm going to do I
1:20:19really need an iPad? Probably not. I
1:20:20have every piece of electronic as an
1:20:21influencer ever. or like let me just do
1:20:23it put it in a Christmas giveaway cuz
1:20:25every year the beauty gurus would do
1:20:26these Christmas holiday giveaways on
1:20:27Instagram
1:20:29>> and I put it in there and then I was
1:20:31getting obliterated in the comments and
1:20:33I was like why [laughter] you're like
1:20:35what's THE REASON FOR THIS
1:20:37>> DID I say I don't remember did I say
1:20:39something
1:20:39>> you just said on Twitter you were like
1:20:41you should this regift a gift like
1:20:43you you're like you should just regift a
1:20:45gift that's what the tweets were
1:20:47>> wow I have so many drama No
1:20:51don't even was like, "I shouldn't have
1:20:53put it in a giveaway."
1:20:54>> Laura, you can give it away. [laughter]
1:20:56I'm like, "No, no, it's fine."
1:20:57>> No, you should. YOU HAVE
1:20:58>> YOU DIDN'T NEED THE IPAD, BRO. YOU'RE
1:21:00FINE.
1:21:01>> I'M LIKE, "NO, DON'T." [laughter]
1:21:03>> LIKE,
1:21:04>> if it was a custom engraved laptop to
1:21:07you, that's one thing. [laughter] Yes.
1:21:09You got it at a party.
1:21:10>> It was a personal gift. You got it in a
1:21:12way.
1:21:12>> You don't need to apologize for things,
1:21:14guys.
1:21:15>> Really nice, [laughter] guys.
1:21:16>> Your guys's apologies are so funny.
1:21:17Like, you had to apologize just for
1:21:19clapping with like people. I was like,
1:21:20"That's crazy." I mean, it's [laughter]
1:21:22wild.
1:21:23>> It's because if you think about
1:21:25everything, especially now with everyone
1:21:26and what they get cancelled for, it is
1:21:27such a even back then though, like it
1:21:29cancelled for like jail time stuff.
1:21:30>> YEAH. NOW IT'S LIKE CRIME.
1:21:32>> NO, IT'S LITERAL CRIME and people still
1:21:33are like whatever we like.
1:21:35>> I [laughter] think that's a lot of
1:21:36people like miss that about the old
1:21:37times. It's like things were softer.
1:21:39Like things were lower. It was like not
1:21:42like popcorn soft drama. It was big to
1:21:44us.
1:21:44>> HONESTLY, THE IPAD DRAMA only lasted for
1:21:46like 4 days. For me, what I just came
1:21:48out of, I WAS LIKE, "OH, WE'LL BE OKAY."
1:21:51I PROBABLY HELD ON TO IT, THOUGH. I
1:21:52PROBABLY HELD on to that [laughter]
1:21:53anger for a long time. I was like, "Yes,
1:21:54I I was just like an angry." It's very
1:21:57weird. But I always tell people, and
1:21:58that's why like now, too, when people
1:21:59are like haters or anything like that, I
1:22:00mean, it really comes from a place, and
1:22:01I can say this cuz I was It's like just
1:22:03jealousy, insecurity, all that stuff
1:22:04like that. So, that's like exactly where
1:22:06mine came from. And I was like, "Yeah, I
1:22:07needed to be humbled so many times." So,
1:22:09it karma came and got me multiple times
1:22:11like for everything. So,
1:22:12>> and the thing is, I don't even know what
1:22:13your cancellations were for cuz I was
1:22:15never happy to see you cancel. Like I
1:22:16was never like, "Oh, we got her." Like
1:22:18you were never You just were never I'm
1:22:20telling you, you were never one of like
1:22:21my enemies. I had so many.
1:22:23>> Did you? Did you?
1:22:24>> Yes. Just from like that core group.
1:22:26Like Shane became my enemy. Making full
1:22:28videos about me. I never met this man IN
1:22:30MY WHOLE ENTIRE life during our drama.
1:22:33Whenever they would make documentaries,
1:22:34they would be on me and Manny,
1:22:36but I'm like, I never even met this
1:22:38person in my life. You know what I mean?
1:22:40I'm like
1:22:41>> it's that's what I I don't miss about
1:22:43any of that is I think like the all the
1:22:44friend groups and stuff like no one has
1:22:46that power anymore. Everyone's kind of
1:22:47doing their own thing like rightfully so
1:22:49which is good. It's like very
1:22:50>> good. I'm like yeah do your own thing.
1:22:52>> Do your own thing. I feel like people
1:22:53now don't thrive on the drama and then
1:22:55when there is a drama it's something
1:22:57big. It's something that everyone can
1:22:59agree on.
1:22:59>> More into drama.
1:23:00>> Yeah. My favorite thing though and this
1:23:02is me being a but Oh, you can't say that
1:23:05word. [laughter]
1:23:07SAY THAT WORD, BUT whenever there's like
1:23:09Dramagon 2, I think it was, which did
1:23:11not involve us. It was like James
1:23:12Charles and them.
1:23:13>> We did a deep dive in Dram. [laughter]
1:23:16>> Yeah, we did a PATREON LIKE FIVEART
1:23:17SERIES. I missed the whole
1:23:20>> 2019. I'm like a mental hospital. Like I
1:23:22was also spiraling. Yes, but I missed
1:23:24your guys' too. So, I was very like we I
1:23:25had to do a deep dive later.
1:23:27>> In and out.
1:23:28>> I remember like Tati went live and was
1:23:30like exposing them and then Shane's like
1:23:32ON LIVE. SHE [screaming]
1:23:34>> DO IT.
1:23:35[laughter]
1:23:36YOU MISS IT. DRAMA CHANNELS.
1:23:38>> YOU MISS IT. And Ryan's like, "Shut it
1:23:39off. Shut it off. Shut [laughter] off.
1:23:41>> Shut it off. Bring it back. BRING IT
1:23:42BACK. OH MY GOD. OH MY GOD.
1:23:43>> OH, that's it. Oh my god. Oh my god.
1:23:46That was it."
1:23:47>> You [laughter] guys, it's so like
1:23:48honestly iconic though, like at this
1:23:50point. Like it's it's gone like full
1:23:51like it's camp.
1:23:53>> Tati's whole apology is camp at this
1:23:55point.
1:23:56>> It's literally camp.
1:23:57>> Did you guys KNOW TATI LIKE THAT?
1:23:59>> YES.
1:24:00>> Did you?
1:24:00>> We were We were good friends with Tati.
1:24:02>> Was she okay now? Have you checked in?
1:24:04[laughter] We don't know.
1:24:05>> Anymore though?
1:24:07>> Me too. I genuinely from the bottom of
1:24:08my soul wish Tati so
1:24:10>> when we were watching drama get into
1:24:12Trisha would go to Tati's Tik Tok live
1:24:14[laughter]
1:24:15and be like please come on just SO MUCH.
1:24:17>> SHE IGNORED EVERYBODY
1:24:20like come over here girl.
1:24:21>> SO MANY QUESTIONS BUT THEN I LIKE SHE
1:24:23HAD ME WEIRDLY feeling bad for James
1:24:24Charles and all of it. So I'm like wait
1:24:25maybe [laughter] cuz Oscar does love a
1:24:26tat. He has a soft spot for her too. I
1:24:28don't think we like
1:24:29>> No, that's good. No, that like that's I
1:24:30I feel like again another person that
1:24:32has probably learned so much from that
1:24:35and has moved forward like tried.
1:24:37>> I would I I hope so too, but I would I
1:24:39was a little like shocked when I found
1:24:40out she was like our age at the time
1:24:42with 17-year-old James. I'm like
1:24:44>> let's not be friends with 17,
1:24:46you know, when Dallas was here. Like I
1:24:47just heard I was like, "Yeah, it's like
1:24:48you don't want to be too close."
1:24:51>> I'm on the podcast but like hanging out.
1:24:53>> Yes. That's what I was like. And she's
1:24:54like, you know, it was like my wedding
1:24:55and my birthday party. And I was like,
1:24:56"Girl, why were you hanging out with
1:24:57little?" Yeah. And it's like that maybe
1:24:59anyways whole thing. We don't get into a
1:25:00drama. We had to agree with it. But I
1:25:01[laughter] thought were you RELIEVED BUT
1:25:03IT WAS SHOCKING.
1:25:04>> YEAH. I was going to say were you
1:25:04relieved when that happened? Thank god
1:25:05it's like not us anymore.
1:25:08>> We thought they were going to pull us
1:25:09into it.
1:25:10>> We were opposite things grow legs and
1:25:12like when drama gets so big things just
1:25:14grow legs and then they try to attach.
1:25:16So they thought we thought they were
1:25:17going to try to pull us in some
1:25:20cuz we were so fresh off ours. So, we
1:25:22had so much anxiety whenever that was
1:25:24going on cuz we just knew they were
1:25:25going to like try to bring us up in some
1:25:26way. Even though we never really were
1:25:28that that close with Tati James, like
1:25:31none of them.
1:25:32>> But compared to drama, I mean, that's
1:25:33like nothing. Drama drama was nothing.
1:25:36>> That's why we were so bad cuz I'm like,
1:25:38girl, this has like gotten like this is
1:25:40crazy.
1:25:40>> Scary scary.
1:25:42>> Like 50 million views. YouTube crazy.
1:25:43Like mind you, that on YouTube was like
1:25:45insane.
1:25:46>> Video got 12 million views. 50. That's
1:25:49everything. 12 million. [laughter]
1:25:50>> Crazy.
1:25:51I never got that on a video.
1:25:52>> 50 and then it went to like 50 million.
1:25:54So our was like dust.
1:25:56>> Yeah. And so you're probably like,
1:25:57"Thank God." Yeah.
1:26:00>> What's happening? [laughter]
1:26:01>> Were you quiet about the whole thing?
1:26:02Quiet.
1:26:03>> That's a church mouse, honey.
1:26:05>> Quiet. Silent. Were you silent? Were you
1:26:07silent?
1:26:08>> Like we [laughter] were silent. Yes.
1:26:10Silent.
1:26:10>> That's Yeah. I always love when Yeah.
1:26:12when there's like a bigger drama that
1:26:13came along. Obviously, I didn't never
1:26:14want to be involved in obviously this
1:26:15one too. This next this one that was
1:26:16happening. I was like, I don't want to
1:26:17be in the eye of the storm anymore. I
1:26:18just want to be like a passer by like an
1:26:19observer. You know what I mean? And it's
1:26:21like of course brought into even THE
1:26:23SITUATION RIGHT NOW. You're kind of like
1:26:25oh my you're probably thinking to like
1:26:26Jesus Christ like
1:26:27>> you don't want to be like I know when
1:26:29you guys were saying not scared to come
1:26:30on here but like hesitant cuz it is like
1:26:31one of those things. I just did like I
1:26:33did Mandel's podcast. I like why did I
1:26:34do it? Because and I like how he
1:26:35obviously I know him from AT but I was
1:26:36like you do just get brought back into
1:26:38the drama and you like are trying like
1:26:40you said in the in the clip I saw you
1:26:41were like I'm in such a happy place
1:26:43right now and it's like you don't want
1:26:45to go back to it and it's hard and I
1:26:47obviously promoting this book too I've
1:26:48been talking about Shane and David and I
1:26:49was like I kind of like hate it. I will
1:26:50be done talking about it when I'm done.
1:26:52But totally I will say with the Ethan
1:26:53drama the only thing I cared about in
1:26:55the whole drama is to hear what you guys
1:26:57can [laughter]
1:26:58do.
1:26:59>> We want it
1:26:59>> and I don't want to. You know what I
1:27:00mean? I know you guys didn't want to
1:27:03like I know you guys like just wanted to
1:27:05leave it alone but
1:27:07>> we haven't talked in like 5 years. I
1:27:08think this one is just like I had to
1:27:09because I was doing so many interviews
1:27:11talking about friendnemies. It was like
1:27:13okay I need to like say these were all
1:27:14pre-recorded which they were like
1:27:15everything was like pre-recorded before
1:27:16it came out and then that happened.
1:27:17>> How crazy is that your book's coming out
1:27:18and this happened at the [snorts]
1:27:20>> not great timing. It's bad cuz I'm just
1:27:22like damn now I got to do all these
1:27:23interviews and it's like I talk about
1:27:25front of me one way but obviously Yeah.
1:27:27And I'm like I don't know them now. I
1:27:28haven't talked to them in 5 years so I
1:27:29don't know them now. So, it's it's hard.
1:27:32But yeah, and obviously with Moses being
1:27:33his family, it's just like such a hard
1:27:34and I don't also want to speak for Moses
1:27:36because like he's like, "What does Moses
1:27:37think? When did he talk to his family?
1:27:38What the kids?" I'm like, "I don't know.
1:27:39Most like not here." And he obviously
1:27:41like it makes more decisions when it
1:27:42comes to his family. But um it's been
1:27:44crazy. I guess final piece of like
1:27:46advice we have now overcome here
1:27:48together. We're here and I do want to I
1:27:50do want to sincerely apologize.
1:27:59I'm another creator and I think creator
1:28:00on creator hate is like the absolute
1:28:02worst. I went so hard on you and with
1:28:05the iPad and stuff too and it's like I
1:28:06didn't know you and I truly envied so
1:28:10much of your life. You had a husband,
1:28:11you had friends, you had such a career.
1:28:13You were beautiful and I think I just
1:28:14like hated myself so much. I'm so sorry
1:28:16if I contributed to any way cuz I was
1:28:18not a drama channel. I was I don't know
1:28:20what it was and it really was just my
1:28:21own self-hatred for myself and it was
1:28:23never you and I'm so sorry and I'm so
1:28:26thankful that you're here. So,
1:28:27>> thank you so much. You're one of the
1:28:28only people who to ever look me in the
1:28:30eye and apologize for anything. So like
1:28:33>> I mean it
1:28:34>> and done more than anyone else has done.
1:28:36So
1:28:36>> and you don't you didn't deserve any of
1:28:39that like for again the crime you you
1:28:41apologized. You did what you could.
1:28:42People coming for you for apologizing is
1:28:44insane when that's what people want is
1:28:45just accountability. and Manny as well.
1:28:47I you are always a good friend to Laura,
1:28:49you know, and I apologize for everything
1:28:51that we've ever if I've ever shaded, you
1:28:53know, I can be shady for no reason to.
1:28:54And just knowing, you know, the fact
1:28:56that you guys would come here and sit
1:28:57down with me means a lot cuz I do think
1:28:59I have to make amends to a lot more
1:29:01people in this lifetime. So, I
1:29:02appreciate you guys just also being fun
1:29:04and just like lighthearted and I love
1:29:06seeing you guys thrive. Like it is cool
1:29:07to see,
1:29:08>> right? People come and go sometimes by
1:29:10their own valition like Jenna Marbles,
1:29:11you know, we're like come back and stuff
1:29:13like that, but then there's people who
1:29:14just like, you know, find other jobs.
1:29:15So, it's cool to see people who have
1:29:17been in the YouTube for so long thriving
1:29:19and happy and people loving you guys.
1:29:22And I love that the podcast is like the
1:29:24new get ready with me, right? Like
1:29:25everyone [laughter] loves it. It's just
1:29:27fun.
1:29:28>> So, you guys are amazing in every sense.
1:29:30So, I guess what do we have for advice
1:29:31for people watching to like get over
1:29:33forgive people, get over humps? Like
1:29:35what do you guys give for advice? Like
1:29:37how do you guys overcome it? How are you
1:29:39guys just sitting here just being so
1:29:41>> positive? Positive. Yeah. Towards
1:29:43everybody.
1:29:43>> Well, I've always wanted to be your
1:29:44friend. Oh my god.
1:29:45>> Because I've always been a fan of
1:29:46course.
1:29:47>> I mean, so I've always wanted to be your
1:29:48friend and so I'm so excited that we get
1:29:50to be friends, but I have felt for so
1:29:52long that we're cool. Like I have felt
1:29:53that for so long.
1:29:54>> Okay, good. I have. I mean, I just felt
1:29:56really cool. I've always loved all your
1:29:58stuff. I even when you were on H3, I
1:30:01love I mean the best
1:30:02>> I watch too. I did. I I haven't watched
1:30:04since
1:30:06good. So saying that, but for me, they
1:30:08always say it's like the most cliche
1:30:10saying it's like hating someone else or
1:30:11not forgiving someone is like you
1:30:12drinking the poison. But I feel like
1:30:14life is just honestly too short and that
1:30:16just it sounds so cliche but it's so
1:30:18true and that I just let go. I'm
1:30:20really good at letting go. I don't
1:30:21always forget just because it's like you
1:30:23know like if someone does you wrong.
1:30:26It's like you always want to remember
1:30:27that. But I I'm one to really just let
1:30:30go and move on.
1:30:31>> And you can just do that just by are you
1:30:33like cuz you said you practice. Are you
1:30:34just like able to let go just cuz
1:30:35you have your own stuff going on.
1:30:36>> When you have a happy life it's easy to
1:30:37let things go.
1:30:38>> I think that's what it is. I think
1:30:40whenever you're like your daytoday core
1:30:42life is happy, I feel like yeah, it's
1:30:45easier to let go.
1:30:46>> I've also practiced started practicing
1:30:47recently where like the idea of people
1:30:49saying something about you and not
1:30:50correcting them.
1:30:52>> And that's something that's just letting
1:30:53people think what they want to think and
1:30:54like I'm a recovering people pleaser.
1:30:55It's so hard. Like I want everyone to
1:30:57like me. Like I genuinely I did for a
1:30:59long time. And so now when people like
1:31:01say something about me and they like,
1:31:02"Oh, that's how Manny is." I'm like I'm
1:31:04just going to have to let them because
1:31:06>> I know how I am. like I'm not like that
1:31:07and I'm not like what they describe me
1:31:09to be. And for a long time I wanted to
1:31:10like defend myself and I really wanted
1:31:12to be like no I think you just got like
1:31:13the wrong impression like I'm actually
1:31:14like pretty chill. Um but now I just
1:31:17kind of let people be like that is your
1:31:18opinion and that's what it's going to
1:31:20have to be.
1:31:20>> Yeah. And they'll see they'll eventually
1:31:22see through time. Yeah. Through time.
1:31:24>> Look we were the worst friends in the
1:31:25world and now we've been best friends
1:31:26for 10 years. You know it's like it's
1:31:28like time the truth comes out over time.
1:31:30>> I think truth always like I think it
1:31:32always prevails. always comes and like
1:31:33things come to light and people that
1:31:35should be called out have been called
1:31:37out and just like you know it's like one
1:31:38of those things where it's like it's
1:31:40>> time will always tell.
1:31:42>> Yeah, I think that I think that's both
1:31:43great advice. Oh my god. From YouTube
1:31:45legends, you guys check out full
1:31:47coverage. Laura Lee Manny, I can't
1:31:50believe it's here. Oh my gosh, this is
1:31:52so [laughter] great.
1:31:55>> We're feeling the world right now.
1:31:57>> Especially after last night, I'm so like
1:31:59nothing CAN DO ME DOWN,
1:32:01OH YEAH.
1:32:02>> LITERALLY NOTHING CAN BRING ME down
1:32:04today. [laughter]
1:32:06>> I JUST WANT BLUE WAVE. NOTHING can bring
1:32:08me down.
1:32:09>> You guys are worn blue too. Okay.
1:32:10[laughter]
1:32:12>> Shout out everyone and thank you guys
1:32:14for being thankful
1:32:16full coverage.
1:32:18>> Please. place.

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