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0:39Heat.
1:01Good afternoon everyone and welcome on
1:03board of this webinar about transport
1:05research and innovation grants program.
1:07My name is Isabelle Tibberank and I am
1:09the trick program lead at connected
1:11places catapult.
1:13I'm incredibly proud to be delivering
1:15this flagship program innovation uh for
1:18the third time and to support innovators
1:20like you. You are working hard to shape
1:23a more integrated accessible resilient
1:26and greener transport system across the
1:28UK. And we know that your time is
1:30limited and you're managing multiple
1:32priorities. So we have made conscious
1:34effort to reduce barrier and simplify
1:37our program and the application project.
1:40Our goal is really to make this program
1:43accessible, low burden and valuable as
1:45possible whatever your background, your
1:48location and your lived experience. So I
1:50hope this comes clearly in the
1:52presentation and throughout the process
1:54even if you are a first-time
1:56entrepreneur and those who never applied
1:58for a grant before feel confident to
2:01take part.
2:03So we sp we'll be spending 60 to 90
2:06minutes together today uh depending on
2:09how curious you are about the program.
2:11So I um really encourage you to make the
2:14most of um the dedicated 30 minutes
2:17session uh question and answer at the
2:20end. You are welcome to submit question
2:23in the Q&A functions throughout the
2:26session. We may respond to you in
2:28writing but we will um we will clarify
2:32uh some some element at the end of the
2:35session or we might save the question
2:38for the discussion um just at the end.
2:41Please ensure that all the question you
2:44are uh sending are framed in a
2:46respectful manner uh kept concise and
2:50this should always aim to help you
2:52strengthen your application and better
2:54understand the process rather than
2:56seeking validation for a specific
2:58project as it's quite difficult to
3:00assess individual case without all the
3:03detail. It's quite a busy uh session so
3:07we won't have uh time to answer every
3:10individual uh request about uh
3:12eligibility. So make sure that you are
3:14framing your question in a way that
3:17really enrich your obligation.
3:20Um so
3:24um if you look at the agenda um you you
3:29can see that we will start with um the
3:32presentation from Claire Dixon uh who's
3:35senior innovation funding manager at
3:38DFT.
3:40uh then we will have uh a session around
3:43shaping the future of transport through
3:45trig understanding a bit more about the
3:48program and its value and then uh we'll
3:52have um some presentation from DFT
3:55challenge owners uh about each uh
3:58challenge and the strategic overview of
4:01uh DFT
4:03um priorities and then uh I'll uh
4:06present you uh the trick 2026
4:09competition ition and the selection uh
4:11process in more detail. Uh so again
4:14we'll have uh 30 minutes dedicated to
4:17Q&A question. Um make sure that you make
4:21the most of those session. Um again
4:24framing uh your question in a concise
4:26way and if you need uh some caption um
4:31you might go to more action on the three
4:34dot icon you can select language speech
4:37and show live caption and then uh you
4:40will have access to uh the caption live.
4:44Also be aware that uh this session is
4:46recording and the recording will be
4:48available at the end of the session.
4:51So um without further ado, I would like
4:54to hand over to Cla Dixon, innovation
4:57funding manager at DFT.
5:00>> Yeah, thank you so much Isabelle. Um so
5:03good afternoon everyone and thank you
5:05very much for joining us today. Um my
5:08name is Cla Dixon and I'm part of the
5:10innovation team at the Department for
5:12Transport which sits within our wider
5:15science innovation and technology
5:17directorate referred to as Scitec.
5:20We're also joined today by Nathan who
5:22leads the innovation team and Barbara
5:24and Premika who work alongside me on
5:27TRIG and they'll be on hand later to
5:29talk through the questions and answer
5:32any questions on innovation funding
5:33programs we have. Um so firstly to say
5:38it's really great to see such a strong
5:40interest already in this year's TRIG
5:42competition and the level of engagement
5:44we're seeing is just really exciting. Um
5:48I'm going to take around five minutes
5:49just to give you a short overview of
5:51Scitec and the innovation team, the
5:54department's priorities and the role
5:56that innovation and trig specifically
5:59plays in delivering these priorities
6:02before we move into a bit more detail on
6:04the competition itself where we're here
6:06hear from other DFT colleagues who are
6:08sponsoring the challenges.
6:11Um so next slide please.
6:15Uh so within DFT um sorry back to the
6:20other slide um sorry too far. Um within
6:23DFT, innovation sits within the broader
6:26Scitec Directorate which is led by our
6:28chief scientific adviser, Professor
6:30Patricia Thornne. And last year the
6:33department published its science
6:35innovation and technology plan which is
6:37shown here on the screen which sets out
6:40how we will deliver better outcomes
6:41across transport by strengthening our
6:44research and development partnerships
6:46and the innovation system. And so the
6:49innovation team where I sit plays a
6:51really key role within that system and
6:54we really sit at the intersection of
6:56policy research and innovation acting as
6:59a bridge between the policy makers and
7:02the innovators like yourself helping to
7:04turn early stage ideas into something
7:06that can really help inform future
7:08decision- making and trig is just a
7:11really strong example of how we do that
7:13in practice.
7:15So innovation is critically important to
7:17DFT because we are tackling some of the
7:20most complex and long-term challenges
7:22facing the UK, many of which don't have
7:25straightforward or established
7:27solutions. So we really do require those
7:30new ideas, those different ways of
7:32thinking. And that's why innovation is
7:34really essential and um central to how
7:36we operate across DFT.
7:39So we focus on three core priority
7:42outcomes which are shown here which are
7:45um growing the UK economy, delivering
7:48greener, safer and healthier transport
7:51and improving transport for people and
7:53communities.
7:55These aren't just high level ambitions.
7:57They really do shape the work we do
8:00across Scitec and the problems that we
8:02prioritize and the types of innovation
8:04that we support. And you'll see that
8:07it's reflected in the challenges we're
8:09presenting today. All of which directly
8:11link to one or more of these outcomes.
8:15So TRIG is our primary mechanism for
8:17engaging with innovation at the very
8:19early stage when ideas are still being
8:22explored and tested and it allows us to
8:24connect directly with you the innovators
8:27to bring new entrance into the transport
8:30sector which we might not see through
8:31other traditional routes.
8:34Um the program has been running now for
8:36over a decade and during that time we've
8:38supported a wide range of innovators
8:40with many strong ideas progressing
8:42towards real world application and being
8:45progressed significantly.
8:48So importantly this approach really
8:49allows us to help make sure that
8:51innovation is not happening in isolation
8:54but is really grounded in those real
8:56transport challenges and priorities. And
8:59one of the strengths of TRIG is the
9:01close connection to the policy teams,
9:03many of whom are joining the call today
9:05and will run through their challenges
9:07and provide strategic concept.
9:10Um, so just to close then I'll just
9:13leave you with a quote from our minister
9:15Lillian Greenwood who actually helped to
9:17launch this year's program and she said
9:20if you have an idea that could support
9:22DFT in its missions and you're ready to
9:24test it, challenge it and prove it then
9:27is here and we do really look forward to
9:29hearing from you. So I'll hand back over
9:32now to Isabelle who will take you
9:34through some of the competition in more
9:35detail.
9:38Thank you very much Claire. Uh now you
9:41understand the importance of of the TRI
9:43program for DFT and for the water
9:45ecosystem. So I just wanted to clarify
9:48what TRI is about on the next slide
9:50please. So TRIG is an innovation program
9:53that supports bold bold and early stage
9:57ideas tackling real world transport
9:59challenges. So it's a as Claire
10:02mentioned it's a long-standing program
10:04funded by DFT with challenge shaped by
10:07um their priorities but also some
10:10industry insight and feedback from our
10:13advisory board. This ensure that the
10:16innovation we support are align with the
10:18most pressing needs of the transport
10:20sector and we and have the potential to
10:22deliver meaningful reward impact across
10:25the UK.
10:27So connected places is the delivery
10:30partner. We design the competition and
10:32the program uh end to end manage the
10:34selection process and shape and organize
10:37the business support in close
10:38collaboration with the scitec team and
10:41the challenge owners at DFT but it's
10:44it's a long-standing collaboration with
10:47DFT as it's uh funding by their team and
10:50they are highly involved in the the
10:52program.
10:54Twix supports any type of business.
10:57Private businesses, charity, local
11:00authority. Your business can be any
11:03size, micro businesses, small
11:04businesses, startups, medium, even
11:06large. Although for the latter, you must
11:09justify why this cannot be self-funded.
11:12But um if you applied to TRIG uh before,
11:16you also welcome to uh reapply with um a
11:20new idea.
11:22Media ID might not succeed and that's
11:25entirely acceptable. Uh TRIG is designed
11:28to allow you to succeed and fail quickly
11:31enabling rapid progress from conducting
11:34initial research to proving your concept
11:38and building uh a prototype or testing
11:41now um in a relevant environment.
11:45This process can be challenging and
11:46laborious but accelerating it's possible
11:49through collaboration across academia
11:51industry policy maker and this synergy
11:55is tricks greatest strength fostering an
11:59environment where groundbreaking ideas
12:01can flourish.
12:03Next slide please.
12:07So TRIG started over 10 years ago
12:10supporting uh 417 projects across the
12:13years with 17.4 millions in funding and
12:17for this competition we are running a
12:19five months program supporting up to 53
12:23innovation project with 45 uh 45,000
12:28pound funding per project.
12:32On the next slide, I'll explain uh how
12:35we use the technology readiness level to
12:38assess how mature your technology is and
12:42track its progress. So first of all to
12:45apply for trig your project should be
12:48between two to should be uh between TRL
12:512 to 4. So meaning you have formulated
12:54your concept uh but you don't have uh
12:58you don't have built a prototype or um
13:02you're not yet ready for
13:03commercialization.
13:05Um so if you are um if your technology
13:10is already ready uh for
13:12commercialization or already been uh
13:15tested, we have uh probably something
13:17else in store for you. But TRIG is not
13:19the right program for you.
13:22At the end of the trick, you may have
13:24progressed to one or maybe more TRL
13:27levels. So maybe delivering a proof of
13:30concept or small scale prototype uh
13:33validated in lab or uh your ID might be
13:37um validated in relevant environment. So
13:40you can find a bit more detail about uh
13:42the TRL scale in our application
13:45guidance and I will refer to this
13:47application guidance a lot during this
13:50presentation. Next slide, please.
13:54So, I'm really thrilled to share how
13:56unique this program is um and the impact
13:59it can have on your organization and
14:02also um in in your network. So, we offer
14:06an exceptional opportunity with a 100%
14:09grant funding, meaning no matching fund
14:11is required, but possible, providing up
14:14to 45,000
14:17per project. And this funding is
14:19designed to help you cover the cost
14:22improving the facility of your project,
14:24create a prototype or test in a relevant
14:27environment.
14:29But our program doesn't stop at funding.
14:31You have a unique access to DFT policy
14:34team with a monthly call with your
14:36challenge owner and your cohorts.
14:39We organize many opportunities to raise
14:41your your profile through innovate our
14:44uh innovation directory uh some virtual
14:47in-person event like we had um in the
14:50past but also some virtual event uh like
14:53we had uh last week um and we organized
14:56all those inerson event across uh the UK
15:00in different nation and region uh
15:02including a showcase event uh at the end
15:05of the program.
15:08As we know that stakeholder engagement
15:10is a key ingredient for success. We make
15:13sure that we engage directly with
15:15government bodies uhmemes, academia,
15:18corporate and it allows to open doors
15:21that could be uh very difficult to
15:23access otherwise.
15:26We also for the first time uh will
15:29provide some personalized mentoring for
15:31new entrepreneurs or micro businesses
15:33that more that need a bit more support.
15:36And lastly uh as mentioned TRIG doesn't
15:39stop uh at the end of program when you
15:42join TRIG you are part of a vibrant
15:46community of innovators and you you have
15:49access to our community platform uh on
15:52for the long term. So you can engage
15:54with the community access to peer-to-p
15:57peer mentoring and also some learning
15:59content that we would provide as well uh
16:02during the program.
16:04Next slide please.
16:06So in terms of uh timeline of the
16:09program um given the high volume of
16:12application we receive um to give you an
16:14idea last year we received about 341
16:17application uh it's quite a long and
16:21stringent selection process. So we will
16:23run it until the end of this year to
16:25make sure that it's um it's accessible
16:28and inclusive and we give the chance to
16:31everyone to um present the best of of
16:34their solution. So the final outcome
16:36would be communicated in January 2027
16:40and you would be asked uh to complete
16:42some um administrative task uh some a
16:46little bit of paperwork and you will be
16:48on boarding on our commun platform and
16:51received the grant uh if you completed
16:53all the task uh between January maybe
16:56February if some tasks are not completed
16:59um in advance. The program will
17:03officially start in February with a
17:05virtual kickoff meeting that everyone
17:07must attend and an in-person event uh in
17:10March. So the specific date will be
17:13communicated in the venue. Uh but uh we
17:16expect everyone to join this uh this
17:19event.
17:20You will also benefit from a monthly
17:22call with DFT change owners. Um and uh
17:26you will be required to complete a short
17:29monthly report and deliver uh your your
17:32project um in time and uh within budget.
17:37In June, you will be asked to provide a
17:40final report. So by the 13th of June, so
17:44make sure that uh you've tested or you
17:46develop everything before to make sure
17:48that you can communicate uh the outcome
17:51of the of the project. And then we'll
17:53ask uh some spending report including
17:56all the evidence uh except the time
17:59sheet um to to pro to be provided by the
18:0325th of June.
18:06Next slide please.
18:11in terms of um eligibility. So we are
18:15really calling all innovator developing
18:17an innovative ad to apply whether you're
18:20a startup, a scaleup, a university, a
18:22charity, local government. Um and uh we
18:27define um an innovative ID uh as a
18:31concept that address an unresolved
18:33problem or for a more sustainable or
18:35cost effective solution uh than existing
18:38approach. So that's very important that
18:41uh your solution is um new and uh it it
18:46but it can be new for the for the mode
18:49that you are targeting. So for example,
18:51if you develop a solution that are
18:53applicable to the to to to the the the
18:58rail uh industry, you could then apply
19:00it uh to the um to to to the freight
19:05industry or to another uh industry.
19:07That's also welcome.
19:11Sorry.
19:14So it's important that the the trick
19:16funding must benefit the UK economy. So
19:19we require that you are a UK registered
19:22organization but foreign company can um
19:25can apply if they have established an
19:28office in the UK. Um there's no minimum
19:31registration period required to qualify.
19:34So even new businesses can apply. The
19:37project must deploy must be deployed in
19:40the UK. uh and a maximum of 50% of the
19:43growth can be spent uh overseas include
19:46excluding material cost. We encourage
19:50consortium but this is not a requirement
19:53and you will not score higher for doing
19:55so but bear in mind that uh the later
19:58will be scored um during the the stage
20:01two of the application process. So the
20:03more engagement with uh with industry
20:05the the better. Um for for this uh
20:09criteria
20:11uh we won't be asking the detail of of
20:14the um the stakeholder or the partner uh
20:17at the first stage but we'll be asking
20:19it uh at the stage two. Uh the stage one
20:22two will be clarified a bit later and
20:24don't don't worry. Um if you are looking
20:27for a partner uh you will also have the
20:30opportunity to mention that during the
20:33application. So make sure that uh when
20:35you are selecting that you are looking
20:37for a partner uh you select the right
20:41category.
20:44Um
20:46we also um accept um bigger project than
20:5245,000
20:54value uh project. So if you are working
20:56on a on a big project uh but want to be
20:59part of trick we just will be funding
21:02only up to £45,000
21:05but you can uh you can match fund uh
21:08your project and this will also be asked
21:11um at the stage two of the application.
21:14So um yeah you'll be asked to detail uh
21:19those costs.
21:21Next slide please.
21:23Excuse
21:26me.
21:28So as you can see uh the competition is
21:32now open um and we are looking to uh
21:37fund uh 53 project aligned to one of the
21:41challenge below. So we'll have uh 25 up
21:44to 25 project in maritime decamization
21:47up to five project for freight
21:50innovation seven project up to five
21:53seven project for critical technology 10
21:57project for digital twin and up to six
22:00project for open call and the
22:02application um is open uh until the 5th
22:05of June um and to give you a bit more
22:09detail about the scope I'll hand over um
22:14now to the DFT team starting with Ben
22:17Howell with maritime environment and
22:20decarbonization policy advisor for DFT.
22:24Over to you Ben.
22:27>> Thank you Isabelle. Um just checking if
22:30everyone can hear me. Is that I assume
22:32so. Um perfect. Thank you very much. Um
22:35so next slide please. Thank you very
22:36much.
22:40Thank you. Uh good afternoon everyone.
22:42Uh thank you for joining today. Uh my
22:44name is Ben Howell. I'm part of the UK
22:46shore program team. I'm joined by my
22:48colleagues Ian Ssbury and Bio Bellow. We
22:51sit within the maritime environment team
22:53which is part of the wider maritime
22:55division at the Department of Transport.
22:57Um before outlining the challenges
23:00themselves, I'd like to talk a little
23:01bit about the uh UK shore program more
23:04broadly. We're a research and
23:06development program aimed at supporting
23:08the maritime sector to decarbonize
23:10mainly by funding the development and
23:12deployment of clean maritime
23:14technologies. In September of last year,
23:17we were very pleased to receive 448
23:20million pounds of funding for phase two
23:22of the program and this funding is
23:24allocated for the next four years out to
23:262030. Uh the UK shore program has been
23:29around for the last five years. So 2021
23:31it started uh mainly through the
23:33delivery of of R&D competitions. You may
23:36even have uh applied to or well
23:39hopefully successfully uh delivered a
23:41project in a previous rounds is not our
23:43first um first round of TRIG. Uh CMDC is
23:47another of our competitions uh which
23:49stands for the clean maritime
23:51demonstration competition or or ZEVI
23:53which is a higher TRL uh the zero
23:56emission vessel and infrastructure
23:57competition. Both of those, by the way,
23:59are currently open. Um, so by funding
24:02organizations with novel or innovative
24:04ideas, one of the main ideas, one of the
24:06main aims is to support UK businesses
24:08and really support the UK maritime
24:10sector to be at the forefront of
24:12maritime innovation. Next slide, please.
24:17Thank you. Um, this slide really
24:20emphasizes that UK shore, uh, the
24:22program is is not a standalone program.
24:24Uh we're a key part of our efforts to
24:26support delivery of the maritime
24:28decarbonization strategy or the MDS
24:31which was published last spring by the
24:33DFT. Um this particular graphic is uh
24:36can be found in the MDS and it outlines
24:38the key timings and milestones on our
24:41journey to net zero but specifically for
24:43the maritime sector. Uh so net zero as
24:46you can see here is uh represented in
24:47the top right hand corner. Uh, I'd like
24:49to point out the interim targets as
24:52well. Those being a 30% reduction by
24:552030, 30% reduction of greenhouse gases.
24:58That's compared to 2008 levels of
25:00emissions and an 80% reduction by 2040.
25:05So, as you can probably tell, the 2030s
25:07that that particular decade is going to
25:09be a really key decade for our targets.
25:11And that's why we're um cracking on nice
25:14and early, moving at pace. Um I'd also
25:16like to flag so this document um is a
25:18key document which makes clear our
25:20approach to supporting the sector to
25:22decarbonize. Uh next slide please.
25:26Thank you. Um as many on this call will
25:28be aware uh the maritime sector is very
25:31complex sector to decarbonize. Um of
25:34course the UK shore program and its R&D
25:36funding the 448 million pounds that we
25:38awarded last September is really
25:40recognition of that and the size of the
25:42challenge. uh different vessel types,
25:44vessel sizes, different use cases. They
25:47all require different solutions in
25:49different operational environments. And
25:51of course, there's still uncertainty as
25:53to the optimal solutions for each
25:55vessel, for each port, etc. Um and as
25:58you can see here, the average lifespan
26:00for vessels is around 25 years. And so
26:03many new vessels coming online today uh
26:06may now still may may still be
26:08operational in 2050 which of course is
26:11our end goal. Um so therefore we need to
26:14move at pace to support the sector to
26:16find the right clean solutions for their
26:18own operational environments. Uh next
26:21slide please.
26:23Thank you. Uh this slide in particular
26:26shows that trig is one kind of a cog in
26:28the system. It's one part of the whole
26:30UK shore program. Um in fact we as I
26:33said as I mentioned earlier we've got
26:34three competitions now open uh and
26:36therefore three funding opportunities.
26:38Um we are keen to support uh and
26:41hopefully this graphic demonstrate that
26:42the the whole innovation pro pipeline
26:45from TRL1 to through to 9 um from
26:48funding uh academic research via the
26:50clean maritime research hub which is a
26:53consortium of 13 universities uh through
26:56to trig feasibility studies
26:58pre-eployment trials and then in in CMDC
27:02uh and then all the way up to uh
27:04commercial trials in sevy um and if you
27:08would like to, you can click on the u
27:10not click on you can uh use the um the
27:12barcode and and go through it. It's a
27:144-minute video which is uh it's very
27:16useful um if you wanted to find out a
27:18little bit more information um about the
27:20UK shore program as a whole. Uh next
27:23slide please.
27:25So that was a brief insight into where
27:27we find ourselves. Uh a little bit about
27:29why we're funding trig projects once
27:31again. Let's now dive into the details
27:33of what uh specific projects we're keen
27:36to fund this time round. Um as you can
27:38see there's five main areas for which we
27:40have funding uh for 25 projects. Um
27:43first of all we have a challenge around
27:45the safe adoption of future maritime
27:47fuels. This relates specifically to zero
27:50and near zero fuels which will be
27:52critical to maritime decarbonization. Uh
27:55projects will help provide greater
27:56certainty when it comes to safe handling
28:00storage and bunkering of those fuels.
28:03Second challenge is around smarter, more
28:05energyefficient vessel operations.
28:08Specifically, how we can make zero and
28:10near zero ZN zeds fuels more efficient.
28:12Uh I think it's fair to say that
28:14operational uh efficiency is one of the
28:16fastest ways to reduce emissions,
28:18routting, speed optimization or energy
28:20use. Uh and these can have a significant
28:22impact on decarbonization.
28:25Thirdly, we shift onto uh the shore side
28:28focus uh and the port and infrastructure
28:30side. uh ports um are rapidly becoming
28:34uh energy hubs, coordination points
28:36between sea, roads and rail. So this
28:38challenge would help ports uh plan for
28:40those complexities whether that's
28:42automation, energy demand or or multiple
28:44fuel feature. Uh challenge four, this is
28:48about getting a clear and trusted
28:50picture of the energy demand uh across
28:52the whole port system and that includes
28:54vessels, shore power uh and short
28:57charging infrastructure. ports are
28:59making decisions about what to in
29:01electrify first, what to invest in,
29:03where to invest in first. So, we're
29:05really interested in projects that help
29:06to build help to help help to build that
29:08picture. And then challenge five is
29:10really a cross cutting challenge. Uh it
29:12cuts across the whole system and relates
29:14specifically to evidence um in terms of
29:17fuels, vessels, retrofits and
29:20infrastructure. Um data in in the sector
29:23can be fragmented and and perhaps
29:25inconsistent. So we're really keen to
29:27improve the evidence base uh with that
29:30particular challenge. Uh so those are
29:32the five challenges. What we've tried to
29:34achieve is a really broad scope um so to
29:37try and uh address many of the let's
29:40call them known unknowns if you like and
29:42and address many of the barriers uh in
29:44in maritime decarbonization. Um the last
29:47thing I should probably say is is thank
29:49you very much for coming along today. uh
29:51and we're very very excited to receive
29:53even more uh innovative applications in
29:55the clean maritime space. And with that,
29:58I will I think I'm passing on to David,
30:00David Elvie to talk through the freight
30:02challenges. Thank you.
30:07>> In a really positive position, I I would
30:10have thought, you know, it's 12 months.
30:15>> Hi, good afternoon everybody. Could
30:16someone release my video? Uh host is
30:19Thank you.
30:21>> Perfect.
30:23>> Okay. Uh thank you. Good afternoon
30:24everybody. My name is David Elby. Um I'm
30:27deputy head of multimodal freight inside
30:28the uh DFT. Um but for uh what the last
30:32five or six years I've been leading a
30:34program called the freight innovation uh
30:36program um which funds innovation um
30:40across TR TRL levels uh sort of two to
30:44seven um and we've been contributing uh
30:47towards the trig program. I cannot
30:50remember this is our sixth one or our
30:51fifth one but either way we're we're
30:53heavily committed and we're committed uh
30:55I think for reasons that I'll set out on
30:57the first two slides. Um and then Janna,
31:00my colleague, uh who's also had her
31:01video turned on, u will pick up the
31:04detail of our challenges for this round.
31:08Um so
31:10what this slide really sets out is why
31:12freight is important. Um
31:15it's absolutely critical for everything
31:16that we do. Um we find generally uh
31:19people don't think about it very much.
31:21Uh, nobody tends to think about how that
31:24parcel arrives at their front door or
31:25why all their supermarket shelves are
31:27full of products and produce from all
31:29over the world. Um, or why their
31:32employer manages to have a stable supply
31:35of paper andor every component that goes
31:38into uh building the product that they
31:40manufacture. But underpinning all of
31:42that is the freight logistics system,
31:44the domestic one and the uh global one.
31:46Um, and so freight uh does what it says
31:49in the bullet too. Um it connects
31:51businesses to markets. Uh it supports
31:53literally every single supply chain in
31:56the country. Um and as such it's a
31:58critical underpinning uh to the
32:00government's uh growth agenda. Um but
32:03freight logistics is not easy. Um it's
32:06capital intensive. Um but yet it's also
32:09commoditized. Uh so you tend to find
32:11most parts of the freight logistics
32:14system are relatively low margin. Um and
32:18as such they tend to struggle uh with
32:21with with innovation particularly
32:22transformative innovation. Uh the name
32:24of the game is to uh find uh
32:27efficiencies incrementally uh rather
32:29than to look for step change. And so we
32:32know that coming up um we've already
32:34heard from maritime colleagues this is
32:35true across the the full freight system.
32:37The challenge of decarbonization when
32:39you're moving heavy things long
32:40distances is particularly acute. uh we
32:44see today with uh going on in the Middle
32:46East the question of uh resilience
32:49um is an ongoing challenge for a global
32:52system and then we understand the
32:54requirement and the need for an
32:56efficient logistics sector to drive our
32:58productivity and to think about how we
33:01manage uh workforce pressures uh within
33:04the within the freight logistics system.
33:06So it's important and we need to help it
33:09uh to cope with uh the challenges that
33:11it faces and we're committed to the idea
33:14that innovation is an important uh part
33:17of uh that commitment. So we can go on
33:19to the next slide please.
33:23Um so as you said not surprisingly we're
33:25on this call uh we support trig and we
33:27have done uh for as I say the last five
33:29or five or six uh iterations of it. Um
33:33we do so uh because
33:36um we understand that if you want to
33:38have if you want innovation to
33:40successfully uh support uh your
33:43objectives you need to have um a uh end
33:48to end uh innovation support system. Um
33:52so we have uh supported trigg because we
33:55need to grab the good ideas. There are
33:58no there's no shortage of I'll be
34:00watching the attendee list. uh it's been
34:02fluctuating just either side of 200. Um
34:04that is a demonstration of the fact
34:06there is no shortage of innovation in
34:08the UK. The challenge is how we provide
34:10the pipelines uh to take those
34:12innovations uh and the ones with the
34:15greatest potential uh from the ideas of
34:17200 to the successful uh operational and
34:21commercial entities that we want them to
34:22be. Um so Trig is good for us. um it
34:25allows us to test quite quickly and
34:27relatively cheaply the concepts um and
34:30to hopefully turn those uh into um more
34:34uh refined ideas. Um I think has been
34:37set out on an earlier slide uh helps to
34:40connect you the innovators uh with
34:42experts and money um across government
34:45and uh across uh industry and just like
34:48uh my maritime colleague Ben um although
34:50I haven't got anywhere near as flashy a
34:52graphic uh to show you um we also have a
34:56sort of a further program uh we call it
34:58the Freight Innovation Fund. It's a
35:01largely an accelerator and venture
35:03building uh program. Um, if you have
35:05been listening to this call and think
35:07your TRL is a little bit too advanced
35:09for TRIG, um, if you go on to the
35:11connected places catapult website, uh,
35:14we are currently running our open call
35:16for this year's, uh, freight innovation
35:18fund. Um, so you can go and have a look
35:21at that. And the final thing I would
35:23mention, um, through the freight
35:25innovation fund, we also run, um, with
35:28the CPC, uh, the freight innovation
35:31cluster. It's about to be rebranded, but
35:33that's what you'll need to search for on
35:34Google at the moment. And that is a
35:36network of innovators,memes,
35:39uh, tier one, uh, freight operators,
35:42investors, academics and so on. Um, who
35:45can come together to sort of share in a
35:46collaborative space their ideas and look
35:48for partnerships and look for funding.
35:51Um, okay. So, that's why we do it. Uh,
35:53Janna is now going to take you through a
35:55couple of slides which she's going to
35:56tell you what we want uh from this
35:58year's trick. Many thanks.
36:02Thank you David. Um hi everybody. So
36:05I've just as David mentioned I will be
36:07going through the next two slides in
36:09terms of talking about what our
36:10challenges. So for this year's freight
36:13challenge we're looking for ideas that
36:14can help the sector in practical and
36:17more scalable ways. This includes
36:20supporting uh cleaner growth, improving
36:23productivity and and helping build more
36:25resilient freight system for the future.
36:29on the clean growth. We're looking for
36:32ideas that can help reduce emission,
36:35improve operational efficiency and make
36:37better use of infrastructure. Uh that
36:41could include uh like smarter charging
36:44and refueling solutions. Uh new ways to
36:48reduce um empty journeys and u
36:51congestion. On productivity, we are
36:55looking for ideas that can help the
36:56sector work smarter. This could involve
36:59using uh data technology um assets
37:03networks to improve efficiency across
37:06operations and supply chains.
37:09People and resilience is also a really
37:11important part of this challenge. We
37:13know the sector is going through major
37:15changes um and which included including
37:19automate automization
37:22uh digital digitalization and workforce
37:25pressures. Uh so we are particularly
37:28interested in ideas that can support
37:30workforce uh transition, improve the
37:33experience of drivers and operators and
37:36strengthen cyber and supply chain
37:38resilience.
37:41Overall uh we want to see innovation
37:44that can solve real world problems and
37:47deliver practical benefits for industry
37:50and the wider transport system. Next
37:54please.
37:56So uh our message to potential
37:59applicants is very simple. Um if you
38:02have an idea that can solve real
38:04challenge in the freight logistics then
38:06we want to hear from you. But we're
38:08looking for bold and practical ideas
38:10that can be tested quickly and have the
38:12potential to make a real impact. This
38:15doesn't mean solutions that need to be
38:17fully developed from day one. trick is
38:20designed to help early stage ideas to
38:22grow, develop and be um explored
38:25further.
38:27So what matters most is having a clear
38:30problem to solve and having a strong
38:33idea for you for idea for how your
38:37innovation can improve outcomes for the
38:39users operators and the wider freight
38:42freight sector.
38:45Uh
38:47we are keen to support ideas that could
38:49be scaled um in the future and have
38:52long-term potential growth um beyond the
38:55initial project phase. Freight and
38:57logistics as David has mentioned is a
39:01very important sector and it touches
39:04every part of the economy. So there's a
39:06huge opportunity for innovation to make
39:09a huge difference.
39:11And last thing I want to say is that
39:13we're really looking forward to your
39:14applications and wish you all the best.
39:17Thank you. Over to Tom now.
39:26Hello everyone. So I'm Tom Pond. I'm
39:28program lead digital twins in department
39:29for transport. Our team works out the
39:32analyst directorate but we work across
39:34the department on various digital twin
39:36projects opportunities and trig is one
39:38of them. So I want to give you an
39:40overview of our digital twin challenge.
39:41Obviously if we can go to the next slide
39:43please. So we always have to start these
39:45calls with what is a digital twin or
39:47more importantly what does the
39:48government believe a digital twin is
39:50because there's a bit of conjecture
39:51about that. But the government believe
39:52that digital twin is a virtual model of
39:54a real world object system or process
39:57that's connected to real world
39:58counterpart via a continuous two-way
40:01flow of data. Okay. So importantly
40:05that opens up some very interesting
40:07transport opportunities
40:09as you can use data to simulate how a
40:11network behaves, understand how
40:12disruption spreads and test innovations
40:14for making changes into the real system.
40:16Transport data used to manage transport.
40:19I'm sure you all understand that's quite
40:21beneficial as DFT. We're interested in
40:23some any digital twin ideas will help us
40:26with three main things. These are all
40:28going to link up to our wider integrated
40:30transport digital twin program. We want
40:32to make look for digital twins that are
40:33helping for a more connected, resilient,
40:35future proof transport network.
40:37Developing the digital twin
40:38state-of-the-art and utilizing new data
40:40sources to develop digital twin
40:42solutions. So I'm going to give you an
40:44overview of what the integrated
40:45transport digital twin program is and
40:46this will all come together quite nicely
40:48at the end I hope. So next slide please.
40:52So you may be aware that in September
40:532024 we published an economic benefits
40:56analysis for an integrated network
40:57management digital twin. essentially
40:59setting out would it be a good idea to
41:02link up everybody's transport data and
41:04use it in a very clever way to manage
41:06the transport network. The result of
41:08that econoid benefit analysis was yes it
41:11would. It could potentially deliver 1.8
41:12billion pounds of benefits to the UK. So
41:15you know big money really and that looks
41:18across different sort of use cases. So
41:19improving cross transport operations,
41:22improving response to plans and
41:23unplanned events, improving
41:24collaboration with with non-transport
41:26stakeholders and enabling deployment of
41:28new technologies. If you're going to bid
41:29for digital twins uh trick funding, then
41:33I'd recommend you have a look at this at
41:34least read the executive route if not
41:36all of it, but it is the key sort of
41:38text digital twins and department
41:40transport. Go to the next slide, please.
41:44Okay, so the program as it stands and
41:46this is how we're sort of delivering
41:48this. We've got a we've got an idea that
41:50we're bringing together sort of three
41:51key strands. The integrated corridor
41:53digital twins, which is how local
41:55authorities will manage their own
41:56transport networks. We have got a
41:58national crisis response digital twin,
42:01which is a central government owned
42:03crisis response digital twin being bu
42:06which is going to set out how nationally
42:07how we can respond to crisis. And then
42:09there's data sharing infrastructure
42:10currently being supported by a national
42:12digital trim program which is sort of
42:14linking all of that together. And as you
42:15can see at the top, end users and
42:17stakeholders are together and all of
42:18these clever programs and platforms will
42:20all come together to sort of help our
42:22end users and make the transport network
42:24more manageable. There's some secondary
42:26work we're doing here as well which is
42:27an evaluation program and inv engagement
42:29activities as you can imagine. The key
42:31thing for you guys I think is the
42:32innovation funding. So we are looking
42:34for good ideas that can be sort of
42:37pulled into integrated transport digital
42:39twin potentially and help us manage the
42:41transport network. So if I move on to
42:42the next slide please. So these are our
42:45sort of challenges for cohort here and
42:48if you sort of go through we've got some
42:50different ideas that we think would be
42:51really useful. So multi mobile federated
42:54transport how do we use the digital
42:56twins to enable better integration of
42:57transport modes of people and freight
42:59nothing particularly exciting that well
43:01exciting but not unexpected. But then
43:03we're also looking at things like asset
43:04resilience. How do we use digital twins
43:06to make our transport assets more
43:08resilient to
43:10flooding to other crisis events, things
43:13that happen or even sort of across their
43:14lifespan? How do we manage their life
43:16cycle and make it more efficient? Then
43:18obviously there's instant crisis
43:20management and network. How do we
43:21respond to that? How do we make sure the
43:22transport network can get back on its
43:24feet when there's a crisis incident? But
43:26then we're also looking at things like
43:27supporting new mobility. So there's
43:28obviously sort of like new technologies
43:29coming in. How the digital twins use
43:31that? So how can we sort of bring that
43:33into a digital twin space and then
43:35general sort of ideas about how we
43:36enable digital twins. So how can we
43:38establish mechanisms to enable transport
43:40digital twins to deliver societal value
43:42and how we use digital twins to enable
43:44trusted data sharing between
43:45organizations something that we're
43:47always sort of looking to do. So a quick
43:49run through what we're looking for in
43:50digital twins there but hopefully that
43:52sort of sets up where we're going. I am
43:54very excited to look to be looking
43:57through some more applications for some
43:58very interesting projects as this is the
43:59second year we've done this and I think
44:00it's sort of like always brings up some
44:02very interesting ideas and with no
44:05further ado I'll pass over to Asher for
44:07the critical technologies. Thank you
44:08very much.
44:12>> Thanks Tom. Much appreciated. So um this
44:15is slightly different from a lot of the
44:17other challenge areas. It's um more a
44:20broad call um on critical technologies
44:22where we are asking for the best
44:23innovations and areas of technology that
44:25we consider could be critical to the
44:27transport system in the future. So
44:29Clara's already taken you through the
44:30DFT priorities so I'm not not going to
44:32repeat that but we believe that some of
44:35these technologies could be crucial to
44:36meeting our national goals. Um and you
44:39may also recognize some of them from the
44:41industrial strategy. Uh next slide
44:43please and I'll talk you through them.
44:47Okay. So um starting off um seamless
44:51connectivity. So we think that new
44:53connectivity technologies could
44:54revolutionize the transport sector by
44:56enabling travelers and vehicles and
44:58infrastructure to communicate in real
45:00time. This could enhance safety um
45:02optimize traffic flow and support more
45:05efficient and responsive transport
45:07networks.
45:08Next up and a subject close to my heart
45:10um AI and autonomy. So we think AI and
45:13autonomous systems has the potential to
45:15transform the transport sector entirely
45:17um by enabling smarter decision- making
45:20um optimize operations kind of the
45:23reduction in human error and supporting
45:25safer and more efficient and adaptive
45:26transport systems. Um next on robotics
45:31um and automation. So robotics really
45:35has the potential to transform the
45:36transport sector by enabling automated
45:39inspection um kind of automated
45:41maintenance and operational tasks across
45:43the transport mode which can potentially
45:45improve efficiency and certainly can
45:48with safety. Um next on um internet of
45:52things and ubiquitous connectivity. So
45:56this is really where we see the
45:57potential to enhance the transport
45:59sector by connecting vehicles,
46:00infrastructure, devices um to enable
46:04that real-time data um which would
46:07enable smarter traffic management,
46:08multimodal transport and transport
46:10safety. Um next on quantum um there's a
46:14a pretty wide range here. So quantum
46:16sensing or communication or computing
46:18all have a huge potential to
46:20revolutionize the transport sector um as
46:22they do with many other sectors. So we
46:25think that they might do this by
46:26enabling ultrarecise navigation um
46:29faster and more secure data exchange and
46:33advanced optimization of multimodal
46:35transport networks.
46:37Um next on we've got engineering
46:40biology.
46:41uh might feel a bit out there for some
46:43people, but actually in terms of
46:44transport, this can really help improve
46:46the sector by creating kind of stronger
46:48and more durable and more sustainable
46:51materials to help enhance asset
46:53resilience um reduce maintenance costs
46:56and support longer lasting transport
46:58networks as well as offering new
46:59production routes to consumables like
47:01fuels. Um so that's it across across
47:05across the critical technologies. But
47:07finally, I will outline what we consider
47:09to not be in scope for critical text.
47:11So, we're not looking at mobility as a
47:14service, vehicle to grid, and next
47:15generation batteries. Um, that's it for
47:18me. I think I'm passing you back to Cla.
47:22>> Yeah, thank you, Asha. Um, so I'm going
47:25to run through the details of the open
47:27core challenge. So, um, next slide,
47:29please.
47:30So while many of the challenges we've
47:33had today are really focused on specific
47:35themes, the open call is deliberately
47:38different and it is designed to create
47:41that space for new unexpected and
47:43crosscutting ideas that don't neatly fit
47:46into one of those single predefined
47:48categories. So it's sponsored by the
47:51innovation team and the central scitec
47:53team which means we don't have those
47:54ties to specific modes or topics and it
47:58really is opened across all ideas
48:00provided that proposals clearly align to
48:03the department of transport's priority
48:05outcomes. Um so a quick recap of those
48:09are greener, safer and healthier
48:11transport
48:12um growth and also um improving
48:16transport for the user for people. So
48:19breaking these down a little bit more to
48:21give you an idea. This is it's not an
48:24exhaustive list but some of the things
48:26that DFT are aiming to do underneath
48:28those priority outcomes. So for greener
48:31it could be something such as promoting
48:34more walking and cycling and promoting
48:37cleaner air initiatives and also
48:39improving road safety. Under growth we
48:42have things like we have ra uh rail
48:44connectivity programs and major road
48:47upgrades and also bus bus initiatives.
48:50And under transport being better for the
48:53user. We have particular kind of focus
48:55on things like prevention of violence
48:57against women and girls on the transport
49:00network, accessibility and also
49:03transport maintenance and improvements
49:05as well. Um, next slide please.
49:10So again I I will emphasize this is not
49:13an exhaustive list but we did kind of
49:15provide a little bit of steer in terms
49:17of some of the scope that we are
49:18particularly interested that fits under
49:21some of these um in the open call space.
49:24The first one is accessibility in
49:27transport. And I'm not going to read all
49:29of the questions out, but it it focuses
49:31on things like ensuring that all users
49:33feel empowered, that there's kind of
49:36developments in stepf free access, and
49:38also that the same level of
49:40accessibility is um seen across
49:43different um regions of the UK.
49:46The next one's um safety and transport.
49:49So again, I've mentioned about safer
49:51environments for women and girls,
49:53reducing collision risks between road
49:55users, and then thinking about safer,
49:58more effective infrastructure around
50:00schools. And finally, the last one is
50:03not a challenge statement per se, but
50:06it's really important that we we're kind
50:08of acknowledging that ideas do not have
50:10to be completely new to the world and
50:13that um applying an existing technology
50:15or an approach in a new transport
50:18context can be just as valuable and can
50:20still fulfill the requirements in terms
50:22of entry-level innovation if you're
50:25pivoting to a new transport challenge.
50:28So if you don't have an idea that fits
50:31doesn't quite fit elsewhere but does
50:33clearly respond to a real transport
50:36challenge, I would encourage you to
50:37consider thinking about application
50:39under the open call. What matters most
50:43um is that the project really clearly
50:45identifies the challenge it is
50:46addressing. It proposes something
50:49genuinely innovative and also has the
50:52potential to deliver meaningful impact
50:54in the transport context.
50:57So that's it. I'm handing back I think
51:00to Isabelle to just talk a little bit
51:01more on the application selection
51:03process. Thank you.
51:06Exactly. Thank you Claire and thank you
51:08very much to all the challenge owner and
51:10DFT colleague for presenting uh all the
51:13changes in into in more detail. You can
51:16also find uh all the detail of the the
51:19challenge scope within our application
51:22guidance. So make sure that you can you
51:24read uh these application guidance. Um
51:28and we we can't really advise on which
51:32challenge you need to apply according to
51:34your solution. We can only um explain
51:38what we expect for each uh challenge
51:40scope. So if you have any question
51:42around which uh challenge you should
51:44apply to, we won't be able to answer.
51:47Make sure that you ask question about
51:50like what's important uh for each uh
51:53challenge. Okay. So um going to the
51:58application and selection phase. So uh
52:01this year uh we are running the
52:03competition a bit differently than uh
52:05previously. So if you apply for trick
52:07before uh it would be it would look
52:10different. Um so we divided it into
52:14three phases uh with application being
52:17progressively narrowed uh at each stage.
52:21So you have uh until the 5th of June to
52:24submit your uh application for for phase
52:28one.
52:30Um and make sure that you submit your
52:32application really before the the 5th of
52:35June as we won't be able to extend the
52:38deadline. Um but at this stage uh it's a
52:42very simple form. Uh so we will ask you
52:46about uh some uh detail about your
52:48organization, some due diligence uh
52:51questions and two questions um around
52:55innovation. So one about you the
52:57challenge you are addressing, one about
53:00the solution uh you are developing. So
53:03it's very very simple, very
53:05straightforward. Um and after uh we
53:09receive all the submission we will run a
53:11due diligence process. Um so we will uh
53:15check every company on company's house.
53:18Uh ensure that you have employees
53:21liability insurance that you have not
53:24received more than 3005
53:27pound uh000 in grant under the MFL rule
53:31and that your organization in is not
53:33involved in any criminal activities.
53:36serious litigation or tax breaches. So
53:39we we'll run this um this check and then
53:42if you pass uh the the due diligence
53:45process uh we will uh score uh the the
53:50innovation uh criteria based on on your
53:53application. I will go into more detail
53:55of all each uh criteria across uh the
53:59the whole uh application at phase one
54:02and two. Uh bear with me on this one. Um
54:06so the the initial scoring again is only
54:09about uh ch the challenge and the
54:12solution you are provided. We also
54:14collect EDI data. Uh but it's not part
54:18of the scoring process. is just uh for
54:20us to know uh how we doing in terms of
54:23diversity of applicant and uh in terms
54:26of um uh project uh awarded
54:30and then on phase two uh from the 13th
54:33of July up to 212
54:36applicants would be invited to progress
54:38to this phase known as the full
54:41submission stage. So at this point uh
54:44you will be asked to uh detail the
54:46potential impact of your solution on the
54:50transport system, society, the
54:52environment and the economy. We'll ask
54:54you to present your team including key
54:57skills and partner uh involved. Uh we
55:01will ask you to submit a project plan
55:03and a budget using a provided template.
55:07And then finally uh you would be
55:10expected to demonstrate the scalability
55:11of your solution. So this will be
55:13supported by your stakeholder engagement
55:16approach and the market research uh
55:18you've done already. So after that um we
55:23will out of those uh 21 uh 15 up to 215
55:31application that were progressed to uh
55:33phase two we will again run another um
55:37scoring process with our expert. Um I
55:40just saw that in the chat we have
55:43already a question around um
55:45confidentiality uh during the assessment
55:48pro process. Um be aware that the
55:51assessment process is only run
55:53internally within uh CPC and uh
55:57involving at the the phase three some uh
56:00DFT colleagues. So all the application
56:04are uh fully confidential and we don't
56:06um we don't uh communicate about uh the
56:10application uh externally. So that uh is
56:13really in safe hand. So for those that
56:17are um the 90 applicant that would be
56:20progress uh at interview uh they are
56:24going to be interviewed by the DFT
56:26policy lead and scored following a
56:30different uh process. Uh and it would be
56:33a 45 minutes interview where we'll be
56:36asking you to um do a 10 minutes
56:38presentation about your project and then
56:40we will ask uh some standard question.
56:43you will receive a bit more information
56:45about the interview process uh if you
56:48are progress after a full submission. So
56:51feedback will be provided if
56:53unsuccessful after the interview.
56:55Unfortunately due to the large volume of
56:58application we are not able to provide
57:00feedback at phase uh one and two if you
57:03are uns unsuccessful.
57:06We're consious that a lot of you uh
57:08would are disappointed that you we can't
57:11provide um the the feedback and we would
57:14really uh welcome the the opportunity to
57:17do so. It's just that we don't have the
57:19um tools and system and capacity in
57:22place to provide that but we are working
57:24hard in the background uh to make sure
57:27that in the future we may able to
57:29provide that.
57:33I think I've covered all the application
57:36and selection phase. So just to uh
57:39present the scoring criteria. So as I
57:42mentioned uh we are scoring the the
57:45innovations criteria at stage one. Uh so
57:49it would be um it would it would be 30%
57:53of your overall scoring for stage two.
57:57uh but that would be the only scoring
58:00for stage one if that's uh if that makes
58:02sense and then the impact will be 30% of
58:06the scoring the team and budget will be
58:0930% and the scalability will be 10% for
58:13so again stage one will be scoring only
58:16innovation and based on the the the
58:18score of the innovation criteria we we
58:22will decide to progress you to stage two
58:24and then at after stage two, we will uh
58:28take all those criteria into account
58:31with the weighted uh scoring that you
58:34can see on the screen to uh decide which
58:36one are progress to interview stage.
58:40We will we will provide much more
58:43information uh after if you are selected
58:46for stage two. So don't worry about uh
58:48the detail of the the budget and the the
58:51template. this would be really clarified
58:54um closer to the to the date. Next
58:57slide, please.
59:02So again, we worked uh quite hard in the
59:05background to make the application
59:07process very uh streamlined and and
59:10simple. Uh you just need to go to our uh
59:13online page uh on the simply do uh
59:17application online um and then select uh
59:21start an application. So you can see a a
59:24screenshot. It's very small. Sorry for
59:26about that. But at the uh bottom right
59:30corner um you can see uh the create your
59:33application button. You just need to
59:35click on that and then uh you need to
59:38name your application by your
59:40organization name plus three keywords.
59:42So I gave I provided an example with
59:45connected places catapult but ensure you
59:47put uh your organization name and three
59:50keywords related to your project and
59:53then um you need to either search for
59:56your organization if you already apply
59:58for a program for with connected places
1:00:01catapult or you need to create the
1:00:03profile if you never applied before and
1:00:05they will ask you a few question about
1:00:08your organization.
1:00:10Next slide please.
1:00:15So um that's almost the the last slide
1:00:18uh but I just wanted to give you some uh
1:00:20top tips uh on how to um apply and how
1:00:25to write a successful application. So we
1:00:28are we've provided a document with all
1:00:30the question
1:00:32uh that you can prepare offline.
1:00:35Obviously, you always need to to apply
1:00:38uh online through our platform, but you
1:00:41can collaborate with with some
1:00:42colleagues offline before and then uh
1:00:46and then send the application through
1:00:48the platform or you can also collaborate
1:00:50directly on the platform if you if you
1:00:53decide to. It's very important that you
1:00:56are um writing
1:00:59that you write really clearly and and in
1:01:02a layman terms and avoid all acronyms or
1:01:05technical jargon uh to make sure that
1:01:08you really um make a very clear
1:01:11statement.
1:01:13Also make sure that you can support your
1:01:15statement with scientific evidence and
1:01:17provide reference where it's applicable.
1:01:20it makes a stronger application
1:01:24if you you you really need to
1:01:26demonstrate that you have researched the
1:01:27scale and impact of the problem and you
1:01:30aim to address it. Um and then clearly
1:01:33explain the intended output of your
1:01:36project as well. Uh not only the the
1:01:38process and highlight um at stage two
1:01:42make sure that you highlight the skill
1:01:44and capacity to successfull
1:01:49um commitment and sustainability
1:01:51commitment is quite important. Um it
1:01:55would be it should be reflected
1:01:57throughout the the application.
1:02:00You will have more opportunity to
1:02:02feature that at stage two when we ask
1:02:05about the impact of your solution and
1:02:07your team. But make sure that if you
1:02:10have the opportunity um you can also uh
1:02:13feature that into your application from
1:02:16the start.
1:02:18Next slide. And that would be the the ne
1:02:21the last slide before the the question
1:02:24and answer. Feel free to uh ask any
1:02:27question uh in the Q&A function. Uh we
1:02:31already re reply to some of the question
1:02:34but I will uh read uh some question and
1:02:37answer out loud and then I will um but I
1:02:40will also uh start asking the question
1:02:42live to our challenge owners uh to make
1:02:46sure that they can uh respond to you
1:02:47directly. So in terms of notification of
1:02:50application um
1:02:53so we expect the final funding decision
1:02:56sorry I'm losing my voice um we expect
1:02:59that the final funding decision will be
1:03:00made in January 2027 to start the
1:03:04project in February 2027.
1:03:07So um make um you need to be aware that
1:03:11the final decision will take into
1:03:14consideration broader portfolio approach
1:03:16across all changes and if you are
1:03:20partnering with an organization as
1:03:22mentioned at the beginning um we need a
1:03:25a lead applicant. So the this lead
1:03:28applicant is responsible to inform their
1:03:30project partner and collaborator about
1:03:33the outcome and distribute the funding
1:03:34accordingly if successful. So if you are
1:03:37partnering with an organization also
1:03:39make sure that before the start of the
1:03:41the program you you have an agreement
1:03:44and you clearly state how you're going
1:03:47to collaborate on this project.
1:03:50If you are successful in winning three
1:03:52grant uh we will be sending a
1:03:54conditional grant offer letter and
1:03:56additional documentation in January. So
1:03:59you make sure that you um you are able
1:04:02to respondse quite quickly uh between
1:04:05December and January uh to to make sure
1:04:08that you um that you meet all the
1:04:12deadline and uh and you are
1:04:14communicating everything in due course.
1:04:17So that's that's it in terms of um the
1:04:22selection and application process. we
1:04:25are uh going to answer all the question
1:04:28that we can um given that we have a a
1:04:31busy a busy call. Um make sure that you
1:04:35read the application guidelines
1:04:37carefully. You've got all the
1:04:39information on it about the competition
1:04:41about the challenges
1:04:43um about all the different stages. So
1:04:46make sure that you have um you read that
1:04:48uh
1:04:50um really thoroughly before you apply.
1:04:53And if you can't find any question as
1:04:55well uh as you applying uh please do
1:04:59contact us at the the trick email
1:05:01address. We'll be happy to answer any
1:05:03question after as well. So um moving to
1:05:07the questions
1:05:11um sorry so I've noticed a few questions
1:05:16more for the um DFT colleague. So I will
1:05:20start with um DFT colleague
1:05:23questions uh if they not been answered
1:05:26already.
1:05:28Um one is for maritime. So can you give
1:05:32any guidance on applying with a maritime
1:05:34specific project which include both
1:05:36digital twin and aiml aspects.
1:05:43Okay. So it would be more like which
1:05:45which challenge
1:05:47they should they should select but maybe
1:05:50um Ian as as I can see you on the screen
1:05:53maybe if you can tell us like if it's um
1:05:57it's a critical technology for example
1:06:00like uh what sort of solution you would
1:06:03like to see uh in a maritime
1:06:07um submission.
1:06:09>> Yeah. Yeah. So I think the the question
1:06:11from from memory was uh was focusing on
1:06:14do you have to can can you quote
1:06:17multiple priority scope challenge
1:06:19statements or can you just have to stay
1:06:21at the one? So I would just look to CPC
1:06:25to come in afterwards just to confirm my
1:06:26my interpretation. But but I would say
1:06:28that if you're supporting multiple
1:06:30challenge statements, as long as it fits
1:06:32with the the overall challenge maritime
1:06:34decarbonization challenge and it's in
1:06:36scope, then then you would be able to
1:06:38reference multiple challenge statements.
1:06:41Um but CPC if you can confirm that.
1:06:44>> So they need uh every project should be
1:06:47should be should apply to a single um
1:06:51challenge. You can't you can't submit
1:06:54multiple um submission for the same
1:06:58project but you are welcome to to submit
1:07:02several project from a single
1:07:04organization and apply it to different
1:07:07uh changes or the same challenges
1:07:08depending uh on where it fits. But um
1:07:12yeah, I guess more like in terms of um
1:07:16what is expected from from the maritime
1:07:19uh I would say like yeah read if you can
1:07:22read the um change statement carefully
1:07:24and make sure that it's aligned. Um I
1:07:28don't know if you have anything else to
1:07:30add on that.
1:07:32>> Yeah. So specifically they were saying
1:07:33in terms of so you have the maritime
1:07:35decarbonization challenge. Um so they
1:07:37would be applying to that but then under
1:07:39that we have our our challenge
1:07:40statements. So our priority scope
1:07:43statements uh and should they reference
1:07:46multiple ones or do they have to state a
1:07:47particular one and I was just confirming
1:07:50that my interpretation is you can you
1:07:52can reference multiple priority scope
1:07:54statements but as long as it falls under
1:07:56the same maritime decarbonization
1:07:58challenge.
1:08:03>> I I think there's been a few questions
1:08:04on this theme Isabelle. So um that was
1:08:07just I think within challenge but there
1:08:09was people asking about which challenge
1:08:11to apply for. I think the advice we
1:08:14would give is to read the competition
1:08:15document closely and make sure that
1:08:17you're applying for the one that you
1:08:18think most resonates with your proposal.
1:08:22However, we do have consistency. So
1:08:25across all of the interviews and all of
1:08:27the the kind of applications we have
1:08:29kind of the same um people from the
1:08:32scitec team represented. So we have that
1:08:34consistency to be able to take projects
1:08:37and suggest that they might move into
1:08:38other areas if we think that they are
1:08:40more aligned with others. And we do have
1:08:42a bit of flexibility with that. But it
1:08:44obviously does depend on how many
1:08:46applicants we've got and how many um how
1:08:49many projects are funded under each um
1:08:51challenge as well. So we do have some
1:08:53flexibility there. We won't kind of
1:08:55dismiss an idea just because it wasn't
1:08:58in the right challenge if it does feel
1:09:00like it can fit in another area as well.
1:09:08Exactly. If we if we notice that your uh
1:09:12project is more line with another um
1:09:20sport uh sector, we won't um exclude
1:09:23your application.
1:09:29Okay. Um so again for maritime
1:09:32decarbonization if a project touches
1:09:35multiple Oh sorry so that's the same um
1:09:42sorry going through the the question I
1:09:45don't know if you picked up a question
1:09:48that you want to answer as well feel
1:09:51free to raise your hand as a change
1:09:53owner and and answer um the question you
1:09:57want to address. Um I'm going through
1:10:00all the question at the same time. So um
1:10:04so um
1:10:05>> yeah if if it helps I'm happy to come
1:10:07back. Um so Peter Lowry I saw in terms
1:10:11of question three on your list you
1:10:13mentioned what is the relationship
1:10:15between trig and the clear maritime
1:10:16research hub. Does getting trig funding
1:10:18actually result in work with the
1:10:20research hub? So the the quick answer to
1:10:23this is is no. It doesn't automatically
1:10:26result in working with the research hub.
1:10:28Um both um Tangan Clement Maritime
1:10:31Research Hub are partially funded by the
1:10:33UK shore program um which is the UK
1:10:36shipping office for reducing emissions
1:10:38program in DFT. Um but they are separate
1:10:42uh interventions separate competitions.
1:10:45Um what I would say is if if you're
1:10:47interested in working with the climat
1:10:49research hub um do get in contact with
1:10:51with the hub uh and to discuss the
1:10:53opportunities there with them. They have
1:10:54a really great website they have have
1:10:56contacts on as well. uh which I'm happy
1:10:58to share the link to.
1:11:05>> Perfect. Thank you very much. Okay, I
1:11:08will answer any
1:11:11type of
1:11:13question as well. So um
1:11:22so um about the the uh success rate so
1:11:27I've mentioned um during the the
1:11:30different phases so phase phase one um
1:11:34depending on on the number of
1:11:35application uh it's it's difficult to to
1:11:38predict how many application uh we will
1:11:41receive but we are progressing from
1:11:44phase one to phase two 21 up to 212
1:11:50application and then um at interview
1:11:53stage we're progressing 90 um
1:11:56application for for interview and then
1:11:59uh we are awarding up to 53 project
1:12:03across all uh challenges. So that would
1:12:06give you an a rough idea of uh success
1:12:10rate but it really depends of how many
1:12:13application we receive. Um
1:12:20so I had a question about like being a
1:12:22soul trader. Uh it's very important to
1:12:24be UK registered. So you need to have a
1:12:26business. You can't be an individual
1:12:29soul trader applying to trick. Make sure
1:12:31that you create um an organization or um
1:12:36a business uh before applying to trick.
1:12:39We will asking uh the company's house
1:12:42number at the application stage. So it's
1:12:45very important
1:12:47um
1:12:50in terms of international subcontractor.
1:12:53So we are so the the the lead applicant
1:12:57must be UK registered. However, uh you
1:13:01can partner with an international
1:13:03company uh or you can subcontract to an
1:13:06international company. Only make sure
1:13:08that um not no more than 50% of the the
1:13:12grant uh is uh is used for international
1:13:17organization. This exclude the the
1:13:20material cost. But in terms of
1:13:22subcontracting or working with an
1:13:23international partner, make sure that it
1:13:26doesn't uh it's not more than 50%.
1:13:34Um
1:13:39so at the stage two in terms of the
1:13:42application so we should you should uh
1:13:45know if you've been progressed to stage
1:13:47two um before the 13th of July the 13th
1:13:51of or on the 13th of July we will let
1:13:54you know whether you've been progressed
1:13:56to stage two and you will have between
1:13:59the 13th of July uh to uh complete your
1:14:03application uh from the 13th of July to
1:14:06the 7th of August to complete the full
1:14:08application. So you will have a few few
1:14:10weeks uh to to submit the full
1:14:13application and we will run some webinar
1:14:16to help you complete all the the
1:14:19information including the budget and uh
1:14:22the project plan.
1:14:26Um
1:14:29so if you don't have any employee employ
1:14:32employees uh you don't need uh liability
1:14:35insurance but as as soon as you have one
1:14:37employee uh you need to comply with
1:14:39that. So we ask in the um in the
1:14:42application uh the application form how
1:14:46many employees you have and if it's more
1:14:48than if it's one then you need to have
1:14:50to say yes to the liability insurance.
1:14:58That's this one. And then
1:15:01um
1:15:04so I've got a question about the uh a
1:15:08question about the the scoring. So from
1:15:10the score from stage one will be uh
1:15:12taken into account at the stage two uh
1:15:15as well. So to decide which organization
1:15:19would be selected for interview. So I
1:15:22was um I've shown on the the screen this
1:15:24the the the waiting for each criteria.
1:15:27The stage one criteria is innovation at
1:15:30stage one. So we score uh the stage the
1:15:33the innovation criteria um to decide
1:15:36whether you progress to to stage two and
1:15:39then at stage two we are scoring the all
1:15:43the other criteria and we are adding the
1:15:46score at stage one to this overall score
1:15:48to decide whether you are selected for
1:15:51interview. Sorry it's a bit of a but um
1:15:54yeah that's the that's the process. Um
1:16:08there's about also
1:16:10>> yes
1:16:11>> come back on uh Peter Lowry's question
1:16:14uh question seven it talks of uh how
1:16:17does trick compare to CMDC both for
1:16:18early stage programs how do we decide
1:16:21which one is appropriate to us as the
1:16:22slideshow didn't overlap uh in terms of
1:16:24the coverage I
1:16:26If in doubt in terms of which one's um
1:16:30most appropriate do feel to get in touch
1:16:31with both innovate UK for CMDC and and
1:16:34connected place catapult have support uh
1:16:37emails that you can you can ask the
1:16:38question of the there is some overlap um
1:16:41and that's to to ensure sort of there's
1:16:43no gaps in terms of the the progression
1:16:45through the pipeline and that that's
1:16:47particular the feasibility to leave
1:16:48stage so CMDC 7 which is our our live
1:16:52competition at the moment uh which is
1:16:54open until uh middle of July
1:16:57um has three strands. So has a
1:16:59feasibility study strand, a
1:17:01pre-eployment trial strand and a
1:17:03deployment trial. Um it's the
1:17:06feasibility study strand which will have
1:17:07some overlap with with trig. However,
1:17:09there is a difference in terms of the
1:17:11the conditions. So um for CDC it has to
1:17:14be a consortium um and also in terms of
1:17:19the the amount of funding and the time
1:17:21scales. So I think it's it's it's about
1:17:23having a look at the conditions and and
1:17:25see which one best fits your project and
1:17:26also the the TRL progression that you'll
1:17:28see within that project.
1:17:34>> Thank you Ian. Um
1:17:38so in terms of next question so I've got
1:17:42so a few question like several questions
1:17:46so I'll address that um I'll address
1:17:50that directly with uh with Peter Lori
1:17:53because there's a few more question and
1:17:56um
1:17:58I'll respond directly um so in terms of
1:18:00university
1:18:02uh make sure that the uh the person that
1:18:06is the lead applicant, so the one
1:18:08applying for for trick uh is working for
1:18:11more than 12 months uh within the
1:18:14organization at the start of the
1:18:16project. If the if the the person is not
1:18:20in the book of the of the university,
1:18:23please ask your department to apply uh
1:18:25on your behalf to make sure that uh you
1:18:28can um you can benefit from from trick.
1:18:34So that's this one. Um
1:18:37so we don't uh we don't fund um the
1:18:41patent costing uh for for trick. So this
1:18:45is not uh an eligible cost. Um
1:18:51so that's one question. There's a a few
1:18:53more question in the same
1:18:58um
1:19:02okay I respond to this one directly.
1:19:09So if you if you respond that you
1:19:12already tried your ID in a real world
1:19:14environment in the form, it means that
1:19:17you're not um you're not eligible for
1:19:20for trick because your solution
1:19:22shouldn't be uh tried in the real
1:19:25environment when you apply for trick. So
1:19:29that that would yes exclude you for the
1:19:31competition.
1:19:34Um
1:19:38so there's a question about can a
1:19:40partner be above TRL5.
1:19:43So what we when you apply for trig we
1:19:47look the TRL level is applicable to the
1:19:51um project not to the organization. So
1:19:54you for example we have large
1:19:56organization or more mature um small
1:20:01company applying for trick it's not a
1:20:03problem the importance is that the
1:20:05project the innovation project is at TR5
1:20:08so the solution that you are developing
1:20:11is at is uh is not uh at above TRL 4
1:20:15when you apply um so that's that's what
1:20:19you need to look at so a partner if you
1:20:23if a partner ner is above TR5 in the
1:20:26sense that they already making a revenue
1:20:29making company that's fine as long as
1:20:31your uh project uh is not at above TR4
1:20:39um in terms of facilitating
1:20:41collaboration partnership so we are for
1:20:44the first time we are asking in the form
1:20:46whether you you are looking to have a
1:20:49partner and if you found a partner if uh
1:20:52they are some evident uh collaboration
1:20:56across all application and it's easy to
1:21:00facilitate. We will uh do that but uh we
1:21:03can't guarantee that we will have the
1:21:05capacity to do it. We're triing a way of
1:21:08uh facilitating this collaboration. But
1:21:11as it's the first time we are uh trying
1:21:14this uh we can't we can't um we can
1:21:18can't ensure that we will look for a a
1:21:21partner and especially if if if it's a
1:21:24partner that hasn't applied for TRIG we
1:21:26can't we can't facilitate that.
1:21:32Um
1:21:43okay so there are a few question we will
1:21:45address directly uh as it's very
1:21:47specific and we will need to ask some
1:21:50clarification.
1:21:52Um
1:22:00so
1:22:01got a question
1:22:04I don't have any team which innovator ID
1:22:07I'm presenting the experience I have but
1:22:10no I don't have a partner is that okay
1:22:13um
1:22:15so any you you can apply for trick even
1:22:19if you are a micro businesses So you can
1:22:22be uh just a founder. You it it happened
1:22:26in the past. Um when you are applying at
1:22:30stage two, we'll ask you to detail um
1:22:33your team and your project plan, the
1:22:35resources. You need to make sure and
1:22:37prove that you have the capacity to
1:22:39deliver this project within the time
1:22:41frame. So make sure that when you apply
1:22:44for trick, even if you're micro
1:22:46businesses, that you're showing that you
1:22:48have this capacity. And if you if you
1:22:50don't then maybe uh highlight the any
1:22:53subcontractor or partner that you are
1:22:55working with to ensure that you can um
1:22:58deliver this project.
1:23:04Um
1:23:11okay, I'm just going through to clarify
1:23:13a few um response. So I just wanted to
1:23:19I just wanted to uh remind you that um
1:23:24any organization like university are um
1:23:28eligible.
1:23:30Uh if you are applying to another
1:23:33program uh other than trick, you can't
1:23:36double fund uh the same project. uh it
1:23:39can be some match funding but um if you
1:23:42apply for trick and another program uh
1:23:45if if the costs that are that you
1:23:48submitted for trick already covered by
1:23:50by another grant um this uh won't be
1:23:54accepted uh but make sure that but again
1:23:57you can always u match font or um apply
1:24:02to to different pro program Um
1:24:09and then
1:24:14again we need uh some lead applicant for
1:24:18for for the for for trick. Always have a
1:24:21lead applicant. Uh even if you can apply
1:24:25you can have a consortium. Make sure
1:24:27that you are um make sure that you have
1:24:30an agreement between yourselves to to
1:24:32distribute the funding as as we are not
1:24:35going to distribute the funding across
1:24:37different partners and we will not
1:24:39communicate the outcome to all the
1:24:42partners. You always have to to identify
1:24:44a lead applicant that will then uh
1:24:47distribute the grant and the information
1:24:50um
1:24:51at the and the for the outcome of the
1:24:54application.
1:24:56um
1:24:59or
1:25:02again for for um part international
1:25:06partners. So you can you can partner
1:25:08with an international company. make sure
1:25:10that uh no more than 50%
1:25:13um is uh the of the grant is um is
1:25:19funding an overseas company but you can
1:25:22use that more for material.
1:25:26Um
1:25:32and then we've got
1:25:39so would an innovation that propose new
1:25:41or modification to existing policy be
1:25:44welcome or does each proposal have to
1:25:47fit within existing policies?
1:25:50So
1:25:52trig is more about um an innovation, a
1:25:56solution, an innovation rather than uh
1:25:59changing policies. So your pro your
1:26:02trick proposal should be um should be um
1:26:06it could be a service, it could be um it
1:26:10could be a a physical product. Uh it
1:26:13could be a technology.
1:26:16um if we've got some uh frameworks that
1:26:19has been developed through trick. Um so
1:26:22it can be any any sort of um solution
1:26:26but the the the the the submission
1:26:29shouldn't be about changing the
1:26:30policies.
1:26:32Um I don't know if you
1:26:35there's anything you want to add CLA or
1:26:38Nathan on this one. Um
1:26:42and then for NDN confidentiality again
1:26:46uh if you apply for for trick uh the
1:26:50selection process is is managed by DFT
1:26:53and connected places catapult. So this
1:26:56is completely confidential.
1:26:59Um make sure that you are registered UK
1:27:02registered. Any organization can be um
1:27:05can apply for for trick but you need to
1:27:07be UK registered. So um again if you if
1:27:11you're a soul trader or an individual
1:27:13make sure that you create a company
1:27:19and
1:27:22I don't know if there's any
1:27:26other question you
1:27:28anyone want to answer feel free to raise
1:27:31your hand if so um
1:27:38So MFA um so you can't as an
1:27:43organization you can't receive more than
1:27:45350
1:27:46uh,000 pounds uh in grant funding. So
1:27:49make sure that if you uh if you receive
1:27:52some grant uh as a result of of the
1:27:55training funding you don't um you don't
1:27:58exceed the 350,000
1:28:03pounds.
1:28:04Can I jump in on that point
1:28:07>> because we get this we get this question
1:28:08a lot in terms of what what is the
1:28:11subsidy control act all about and why is
1:28:12it that we're limiting the amount of
1:28:14money we can give through a granted
1:28:16process. So partially as a result of EU
1:28:19exit but also in a way to keep our
1:28:21companies competitive. Um it was decided
1:28:24that a limit has to be applied to the
1:28:27amount of money we can fully subsidize a
1:28:29company because if we overly subsidize a
1:28:31company then it will out compete other
1:28:34companies in the market and so and show
1:28:36in some way the government's
1:28:37preferentializing one area over another.
1:28:40So £315,000 over a three-year rolling
1:28:42period was what was decided and that's
1:28:45really confusing. So I thought I'd just
1:28:47quickly touch on that. What that means
1:28:48is that in a year one say you receive
1:28:50100k. In year two you receive 100k. In
1:28:53year three you receive 100k. In year
1:28:56four that first 100k will have been
1:28:58wiped off and then you're back onto the
1:28:59years because it's a threeyear rolling
1:29:01period. So if your project is over a
1:29:03long period of time you'll be able to
1:29:04receive lots of grants. The other reason
1:29:07that the MFA is so important is because
1:29:09it really prevents companies from
1:29:11sitting in that granting area and
1:29:14sitting there and being able to be
1:29:15completely funded by grants for the full
1:29:17lifetime of the business. We really want
1:29:19to see technologies progressing through
1:29:21the TRLs as quickly as possible. And so
1:29:24that's the case and very quickly if you
1:29:25are progressing into the the mid and
1:29:26high TRLS you will no longer be doing
1:29:28100% granted competitions and therefore
1:29:31the M&A MFA in some cases is is
1:29:33disregarded because you are partially
1:29:35funded and bringing your own funding in
1:29:36with it as well. It's all about the fact
1:29:38that we can we have to comp create a
1:29:41competitive market that allows
1:29:43businesses to thrive rather than go back
1:29:45to my initial point which is to fully
1:29:47invest and subsidize one area which
1:29:49would create an uncompetitive market.
1:29:52Sorry Isabelle.
1:29:56>> Thank you very much um Nathan for all
1:29:58those detail. Um I've just put in the
1:30:03chat uh the uh innovation directory link
1:30:07as well. So if you want to to know more
1:30:10about the the project that have been
1:30:12funded by trick uh in previous year you
1:30:15can um you can visit this uh this
1:30:18innovation directory. you've got all the
1:30:20detail of you've got the the the what
1:30:23the objective of their project and the
1:30:26outcome. So, it's a very um rich uh
1:30:30database of project
1:30:35um
1:30:38so I'm looking at the um Q&A
1:30:42function. If you if you've asked any
1:30:45question in the in the chat, make sure
1:30:46that it's in the Q&A section so I can
1:30:49really address it and um as we are
1:30:53finishing the the session
1:30:55um I think we've answer most of the of
1:30:58the question but if there are some
1:31:01question that are pending we will get
1:31:03back to you uh directly with some uh
1:31:06clarification. We also have a Q&A
1:31:09function on the simply do platform. So
1:31:12we are uh going to uh update uh this
1:31:16platform with with some questions so you
1:31:18can find all the the answer at hand. Um
1:31:23well I think this is uh the end of the
1:31:26the webinar. So thank you very much
1:31:29everyone for attending this webinar. uh
1:31:32I really look forward to receiving uh
1:31:35all your great uh application and uh and
1:31:38and also to start the engagement with
1:31:41all the innovators. It's a it's a real
1:31:43pleasure to to deliver this uh this uh
1:31:46program and to work with uh so inspiring
1:31:49innovator such as uh everyone on this
1:31:52call. Thank you everyone for your time
1:31:54and uh yeah we look forward to receiving
1:31:58everything and thank you very much for
1:31:59for DFT uh colleagues for um funding the
1:32:04program and for engaging in that session
1:32:06as well.
1:32:08Thank you everyone.
1:32:09>> Thanks Isabelle.

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