YT YouTube2Text

YouTube2Text → Transcripts → [TRIAL TRANSCRIPT PART 51] - Darlie Routier Trial - Detective Jimmy Patterson Part 1

[TRIAL TRANSCRIPT PART 51] - Darlie Routier Trial - Detective Jimmy Patterson Part 1 — Transcript

by TrueCrimeFM · 10,939 words · 1,674 segments · language en · Watch on YouTube

Open in transcriber Summarize with AI Download SRT/VTT

Full transcript

0:02Hello and welcome to the Beathouse 34
0:04podcast. I'm your host, Christine Worth.
0:08A big and warm welcome to all of our new
0:11subscribers. I am so glad that you're
0:13here. And to our amazing listeners,
0:17thank you so much for your continued
0:19support and encouragement. It is so
0:23appreciated. You have no idea.
0:26Before we get started, this episode is a
0:29continuing series on the trial readings
0:32for the Darlie Routier case. This is a
0:34mother who in 1996
0:37was accused and convicted of murdering
0:40her two children in Rowlett, Texas, and
0:42who currently sits on death row. As soon
0:45as these trial readings are finished, I
0:47will be back to doing weekly true crime
0:50and paranormal cases. So, in the last
0:53episode of the Darlie trial, we heard
0:57from Luanne Black and Karen Neal. Now,
1:00Luanne is Darlie's aunt
1:03and Karen Neal was the neighbor and
1:06friend of Darlie's and whose house that
1:09Daron ran to the night of the crime.
1:12It was definitely some very interesting
1:15testimony.
1:16And if you haven't had an opportunity to
1:18listen to that, I highly, highly
1:20encourage it.
1:22Today, we start off with a new defense
1:24witness and this witness will actually
1:27It's quite long, this testimony, so this
1:29is going to go over a series of
1:31episodes.
1:32But, the witness is Detective Jimmy
1:35Patterson, who was the lead detective in
1:39the case.
1:40So, with all of that said, let's get
1:42started with Detective Patterson's
1:45testimony.
1:48The direct examination is being done by
1:51one of Darlie's defense attorneys, Mr.
1:54Douglas Mulder.
1:56Would you tell the jury your name,
1:58please, sir?
2:00And then Mr. Mulder says, "Excuse me,
2:02Judge. Are you ready to go?" And the
2:04court says, "Well, let's see. We always
2:06think we are, but we don't know. I'm not
2:08sure this sound system is working here.
2:11All right, I think we have that taken
2:13care of now." And then Mr. Mulder
2:15continues,
2:16"Would you tell the jury your name,
2:18please, sir?" Jimmy Ray Patterson.
2:21Mr. Patterson, you are a police officer?
2:25Yes, sir. And you work for Rowlett
2:28Police Department? Yes, sir. I do.
2:31And what was your position vis-à-vis the
2:34Darlie Routier case?
2:36I am the lead detective in the case. All
2:39right. Well, you left town before we had
2:42a chance to talk to you. When did you
2:44leave Kerrville? Sometime after 6:00
2:47Thursday afternoon.
2:49A Thursday afternoon?
2:51When did you first come to Kerrville,
2:53Mr. Patterson?
2:54The first time I came down here was on
2:56the 6th.
2:58The 6th of January?
3:00Yes, sir. Okay. And
3:03you were with us until sometime after
3:056:00 on Thursday of last week. Is that
3:09correct? That's correct. Have you
3:11brought your notes with you? Yes, sir. I
3:14have. Do you have your case file with
3:17you? Yes, sir. Could I see it, please?
3:20I don't have it right here with me.
3:22Where is it? It's in the back. Could you
3:25get it, please? Yes.
3:28Let me hand you what has been marked for
3:31identification and record purposes as
3:33defendant's exhibit number 72, and I'll
3:36ask you if that is the notebook that you
3:39just handed to me.
3:40Yes, sir. It is.
3:42And this contains your entire file on
3:45Darlie Routier. Is that correct? Yes,
3:47sir. You and I have never met, have we?
3:51No, sir. We have not. We have never
3:53visited about this case, have we? No,
3:56sir.
3:58Now, when
4:00were you first notified that there had
4:02in fact been a
4:05an assault or a death there at 5801
4:08Eagle Drive in Rowlett?
4:11June the 6th, 1996 at about 2:55 in the
4:15morning. Okay.
4:17Were you at home or were you on duty? I
4:20was at home. Okay. And as result of
4:23that, did you have occasion to get up
4:26and get dressed and proceed to that
4:28scene? Yes, sir. I did. Okay. About what
4:31time did you arrive there? About 3:30,
4:353:35. Okay.
4:37And who was there when you arrived,
4:40Detective Patterson?
4:41There was some fire personnel there.
4:44There was some uniformed officers at the
4:46scene. The lieutenant over CID was at
4:50the scene.
4:51Who is the lieutenant over CID?
4:55His name is Grant Jack. All right. Was
4:58he down here for the past 3 weeks as
5:00well, along with you? No, sir. Has he
5:03been here? Yes, sir. Okay, he is back in
5:06Rowlett now, I guess. No, sir. Where is
5:09he? He is here now. Oh, he came back
5:12down with you?
5:13Not with me. He came back down.
5:16Who else came down this weekend? An
5:18officer, Dwayne Bedingfield, Sergeant
5:22David Neighbors, and another detective
5:24by the name of Chris Frosh.
5:26Just the five of y'all? Yes, sir. Okay.
5:30When did y'all get back down here? I got
5:32back down here yesterday about 4:00.
5:35Okay. When did the others come? Do you
5:38know? I'm not sure. Okay. At any rate,
5:41you got out there and the medical
5:43personnel were there. Is that right?
5:46I don't know. No, I think they had
5:49already left and I talked to a
5:51firefighter. Okay. Do you know how many
5:54medical personnel had been there? Not
5:57total, no, sir. Okay. I take it you
6:00interviewed the paramedics who had been
6:01at the scene.
6:03They had written a written statement.
6:06I mean, does that mean you interviewed
6:08them?
6:09I did not talk to them personally, no.
6:12Did you talk to any of them? No, sir.
6:15All right. And you don't know how
6:18whether there were eight or nine or 10
6:21or you don't know how many there were?
6:23I don't recall how many were out there.
6:26Okay.
6:27What was the first thing you did when
6:30you got to the scene?
6:31The first thing I did when I arrived at
6:33the scene is I met with the officer in
6:35charge.
6:36And who was that? Sergeant Matt Walling.
6:40Okay. And I guess you talked with
6:42Sergeant Walling. Yes, sir. Okay, and
6:45what is the next thing that you did?
6:47He briefed me on what he knew at that
6:50time and I just walked up to the front
6:52door and there was an officer Wade at
6:54the front door. He asked me if I was
6:57going inside and I said no. And I just
6:59veered inside for a second.
7:02You did go inside, did you?
7:05No, I did not. I just looked inside from
7:07the door from the front porch. I thought
7:10you said you veered inside. You peered
7:14inside?
7:15Yes, sir. I just looked inside. You just
7:18looked inside? Yes, sir.
7:21And what was the next thing you did?
7:23Well, Sergeant Walling had told me about
7:26a screen that had been
7:28We're not going into what you were told.
7:31I asked simply what you did.
7:34I walked around to the back and noticed
7:37the screen window had been cut. Okay.
7:40And when you went around to the back,
7:42did you have occasion to look at the
7:44back gate? Yes, sir. Okay. And did you
7:47notice anything unusual about the back
7:50gate? It was open. Anything else?
7:53No, sir. Not at that time.
7:55Did you move it back and forth to see
7:57how it swung in place? No, sir. I did
8:00not.
8:01Did you see any scuff marks at the base
8:03of the gate? I didn't look. Okay. Will
8:07you tell the jury which way the gate
8:10swung? Inwards. Okay. Inwards to your
8:14right as you were going in from the
8:16garage or to your left?
8:19As you walk up to the gate, it swung
8:21open this way. And he demonstrates.
8:24Okay, and it was open at the time you
8:27first observed it? Yes, sir. Okay. And
8:30you walked around to the screen that was
8:32cut? I walked inside just enough where I
8:36could see the screen. I didn't go up to
8:39the screen.
8:40Well, why is that?
8:42Well, I didn't want to tamper with any
8:44evidence in case there was any. Okay.
8:47Did you know that other officers had
8:49already been on the scene and had been
8:51to the screen?
8:53Well, the only thing I knew was that
8:55there had been an officer look in the
8:57backyard.
8:59Just over the fence was your
9:01understanding? No, just went inside the
9:04backyard to look to make sure there
9:06wasn't any suspects. Okay. But, had not
9:09actually approached the screen. Was that
9:12your understanding?
9:14I really didn't get into that to know.
9:17So, you didn't know whether anybody had
9:19gone in the backyard or what the extent
9:22of the backyard was?
9:24I didn't know who had been in the
9:26backyard. Okay. I just knew that a
9:29couple of officers had went in there
9:31just to make sure that there wasn't a
9:33suspect. Okay.
9:35After that, what did you do? At that
9:37point, I went back around to the front
9:40and asked by my lieutenant to go to the
9:43hospital and meet with the witnesses.
9:46Okay. Did you talk with anyone else at
9:48the scene before you went to the
9:50hospital?
9:51Well, I had talked to one of the fire
9:54person or the paramedics just for a
9:57brief moment. Yes. Okay. Did you talk
10:00with any of the neighbors? Yes, sir. You
10:03forgot about that? No, I didn't forget
10:05about it. Okay. I asked you if you had
10:08talked to anybody else before you left
10:09for the hospital, didn't I? Right.
10:12And I just said that I had talked to the
10:15captain.
10:16Well, you were fixing to tell us about
10:18the neighbors. Yes, sir. Okay. As a
10:21matter of fact, you were advised that
10:23there had been a small black car at the
10:26scene, had you not?
10:28Mr. Greg Davis says, "I'm going to
10:30object to that as hearsay."
10:32What he was advised? The court says,
10:34"I'll sustain the objection." Mr. Mulder
10:37continues.
10:38Well, when you talked to the neighbor,
10:40was your attention directed to this part
10:43of the street?
10:44Mr. Greg Davis says, "Objection, that is
10:47hearsay." The court says, "Overruled, go
10:49ahead." Mr. Mulder says, "Yes, sir." The
10:52witness says, "I heard a lady call out
10:55that she wanted to talk to an officer."
10:57Mr. Mulder continues. "Okay.
10:59And I walked over there to talk to her.
11:02Okay.
11:03And were you advised that she had seen a
11:06small black car in this location? Yes.
11:09Mr. Greg Davis then says, "I'm going to
11:11object, your honor, that is hearsay."
11:13The court says, "Sustained, let's phrase
11:15our questions properly." Mr. Mulder then
11:18continues. "Okay. Was your attention
11:21directed to a location immediately in
11:24front of her mailbox?
11:26Mr. Davis again says, "I'm going to
11:28object, that is hearsay, what he was
11:30advised or directed. That has to come
11:33from someone else who is not here, so it
11:35has to be hearsay." And Mr. Mulder says,
11:38"Well, judge, he can testify to that."
11:41The court says, "Just a minute. I'll
11:43overrule that. Let's go ahead and move
11:45on with the case." Mr. Mulder says,
11:47"Sure." And then continues.
11:50"Detective Patterson, moving right
11:52along, will you tell the jury whether or
11:54not your attention was directed to this
11:57mailbox in the parking area immediately
11:59in front of it?"
12:01"Well, not to the mailbox." Okay. To the
12:04parking area immediately in front? Tell
12:08the jury where your attention was
12:10directed. We'll make it easy.
12:12Okay. "A lady had called out and asked
12:15me, she said that she wanted to talk to
12:17an officer. And so I walked over there."
12:20You talked to her, didn't you? Yes, sir.
12:23And you made a note in your supplemental
12:25report, didn't you? "Yes, I made a
12:28note." Yes, sir. Okay. And in that note,
12:31you said that there had been Mr. Davis
12:34says, "I'm going to object to that." Mr.
12:37Mulder says, "A black car that night."
12:39Mr. Greg Davis says, "Judge, please, I'm
12:41going to object to this." Mr. Mulder
12:44says, "Judge, let me finish my
12:45question." The court says, "Let him
12:47finish his objection, please." Mr. Davis
12:50says, "I'm going to object to that as
12:52being hearsay and referring to documents
12:54not in evidence."
12:55And the court says, "All right. Well,
12:58let's All right. Well, I'll sustain that
13:00objection and let's phrase our questions
13:02properly, please. If you want to put the
13:04document in evidence, then let's do so.
13:07I assume you are referring to
13:09defendant's exhibit number 75?" Mr.
13:12Mulder says, "Judge, that was
13:14defendant's exhibit number 72."
13:17The court says, "I mean defendant's
13:18exhibit number 72." Mr. Mulder says,
13:21"Judge, I'm not suggesting that I put
13:23his entire report in and I don't mind
13:26giving him his report to refresh his
13:28memory."
13:29The court says, "Well, I think if you
13:31will just phrase the questions properly,
13:33then we will move on. Let's go ahead,
13:35please." Mr. Mulder continues. "All
13:38right. Well,
13:40All right. Again, as a result of your
13:42conversation with the lady, where was
13:45your attention directed in this enlarged
13:48What would you call that area? A
13:50residential area. Well, yes." The court
13:53says, "You might speak a little bit
13:55louder because the last two jurors have
13:58to hear you down there. Just speak into
14:00that mic so they can hear you." Mr.
14:02Mulder then continues.
14:04"What would you call this area? Is this
14:06a little parking area? Yes, sir, I would
14:09call it a street." Okay.
14:11"And would you call this a parking area
14:14in the street or not?" "Well, no, sir, I
14:17wouldn't." What would you call it?
14:19"I would call it a street." Okay.
14:22But people parked along the curb side.
14:24Yes.
14:25Okay. This appears to be a car headed
14:28in. Is that right? Yes, sir. Okay. And
14:31do people park in that fashion? Yes,
14:34sir. Okay. And will you tell us and tell
14:37the jury what your conversation with the
14:39lady was about, please, sir?
14:41"She asked to speak with an officer and
14:44so I walked over there and she said
14:46something to the effect that she had saw
14:48a car." The court then says, "The jurors
14:51cannot hear you on the end down there."
14:53The witness then says, "that she had saw
14:56a car leaving that scene as the police
14:59and the fire department had arrived or
15:01right after they had arrived." Mr.
15:04Mulder asks,
15:05"And she also told you that she was
15:08familiar with the cars in the
15:10neighborhood, didn't she?"
15:11"No, sir, I don't recall her telling me
15:13that." Okay. You made a note of that in
15:16your report, did you, that your
15:18conversation with the lady? "Yes, sir."
15:21Did you later on that afternoon have an
15:23occasion to you or one of the police
15:26officers there to talk with a Karen Neil
15:30in regards to a small
15:32black car that had passed through the
15:35neighborhood that afternoon? "I did
15:37not." Do you know if anybody else did?
15:40"No, sir, I do not." Would it be your
15:42responsibility as the primary officer in
15:45charge of this case to find those things
15:48out? I mean, would you be the center
15:51where the information is funneled into?
15:53"Yes, sir." Okay. And I take it that
15:57this report over here, defendant's
15:58exhibit number 72, is an accumulation of
16:02reports that other people have filled
16:04out and submitted to you? "That's
16:06correct."
16:07So, you would, for lack of a better
16:09word, be the central information
16:11clearinghouse, I guess, in this case,
16:13for lack of a better description?
16:16"I could, yes, sir." Okay.
16:18You would be the one who ought to be
16:20familiar with whatever is going on in
16:23this particular case, right?
16:25"Well, you have to understand that, you
16:28know, I'm not going to remember
16:30everything and that, you know, I did
16:32look over the reports." Okay. I mean,
16:35that is the reason we make reports,
16:37isn't it? Because we can't be expected
16:39to remember everything. "Well, that is
16:42to refresh our memory." Yes, sir.
16:44And like you have so skillfully pointed
16:47out, had it not been for the paramedics'
16:50reports, you wouldn't know what any of
16:52the paramedics did out there, would you?
16:55"That's correct." Because you have not,
16:58to this date, talked to any of them,
17:00have you? "No, I have not." Okay. So,
17:04you don't know which ones were in the
17:06house, whether they were all in the
17:08house or what parts of the house they
17:10went into or what they did while they
17:12were there, do you?
17:14"Well, by their notes, I do know."
17:17Oh. They all addressed that, as to where
17:20they went in the particular house and
17:22what they did?
17:23"They addressed what they did." Yes.
17:26Okay. But they don't address where they
17:28went in the house, do they? "No, sir, I
17:31don't believe so." All right. And you
17:34didn't think that that was important to
17:35you, I guess, in evaluating the case or
17:39you would have interviewed them?
17:41"They have been interviewed." But not by
17:43you?
17:44"But not by me." Okay. Did you interview
17:46the officers that were first on the
17:48scene? "I read their notes." Okay. So,
17:52your knowledge of what their activities
17:54were, of course, would be limited by the
17:56notes that they prepared. Yes, sir.
17:59Okay. And if a witness or a participant
18:02in the investigation of this case did
18:04not prepare a report, of course, there
18:07would be nothing for you to review,
18:10would there? Does that make sense?
18:12"Well, I don't understand what you are
18:14saying."
18:15All right. Well, if a participant in the
18:18investigation made no report, either
18:20because he was directed by the district
18:23attorney or someone else not to prepare
18:26a report, there would be, of course,
18:29nothing for you to review, would there?
18:32"Well, I don't think anyone is going to
18:34tell someone not to prepare a report."
18:37Well, that would be mighty poor police
18:39work, wouldn't it, in your judgment?
18:42"Maybe in some cases, yes." Okay. You
18:45don't really want to commit to that one?
18:48"Well, no, I do not because I really
18:50don't understand what you are asking
18:52me."
18:53Well, I'm saying this as simply as I
18:55can, that it would be very poor police
18:57work not to prepare a report, would it
19:01not?
19:02"Well, that depends on what you are
19:04doing and what, you know, and what you
19:06did in this case." Well, okay. If you
19:10didn't want anybody to find out about
19:12it, it would be a great idea, I guess.
19:16"Well, we are not going to do that. We
19:18write our notes and we make supplements
19:20to these reports." Okay.
19:23Did you make a supplement to your report
19:26when you all met down at the courthouse
19:29and everyone took the witness stand and
19:31testified as regards to what they did in
19:34this particular case?
19:35"Did I take notes?" Yeah. Did you make
19:38notes on that? "No, sir." Okay. Why was
19:42that?
19:43"I didn't see any need in taking notes."
19:45Okay. And I take it you testified in
19:48that event? No, sir. But you were there
19:51and listened to everyone else? I was
19:53there, and we talked about our case.
19:55Yes. Okay.
19:57Was there someone on the bench in lieu
19:59of the judge?
20:01Well, there was someone sitting up there
20:03in the judge's chair. Okay, well, just
20:05by coincidence or do you Well, I don't
20:08know why.
20:10You never did figure out why? No, sir.
20:12All right. Well, let's just see if we
20:14can't figure out why. You know what
20:17circumstantial evidence is, don't you?
20:20Yes, sir. Okay, was there someone in the
20:22prosecutors at the prosecutor's desk in
20:25the courtroom? Yes, sir. And was there
20:27someone at the defense table, a lawyer?
20:30Yes, sir.
20:31And was there someone up on the bench in
20:33the judge's position? Yes, sir. And was
20:36there someone on the witness stand where
20:38you are right now? Yes, sir.
20:41And did the prosecutor ask them
20:43questions? Yes, sir. And did the defense
20:46lawyers ask them questions? Yes, sir.
20:49Now, circumstantially
20:51do you think that we could put those
20:54circumstances together and figure out
20:56that they were conducting a mock trial?
20:59I think what we were doing is that we
21:01were just trying to make sure Well, we
21:03wanted to make sure that the prosecutors
21:05knew what we knew. Okay.
21:08And it helped, I guess, to make sure
21:10that the other officers knew everything
21:13that you
21:14Well, I don't know about that. You don't
21:17know about that. Okay.
21:19Now, at any rate, after you had talked
21:21to the lady at the curbside there in
21:24what you termed to be the street and I
21:27would call an enlarged, maybe elbow of
21:30the street did you then leave to go to
21:33Baylor Hospital? No, sir. What did you
21:36do? There was another lady that came up,
21:39and I talked to her for a few minutes.
21:41Okay. And who might that have been?
21:43Her name was Barbara Jovell. Okay. And
21:46did you engage her in a conversation as
21:49regards to a black car?
21:51She had mentioned that her mother had
21:53seen a black car. Okay. When in time had
21:57her mother seen a black car?
21:59The way she described it, it was earlier
22:02on the 5th. Just the day before? Yes,
22:05sir. And in fact, less than 8 hours
22:08earlier. Would that be about right? No,
22:10sir. I don't know about what time, but
22:13it was more than 8 hours earlier. Okay.
22:179 hours, 10 hours? I don't know.
22:20When did she tell you that?
22:22When I talked to Barbara Jovell, which
22:25was sometime between 3:35 and 4:00. We
22:29tried to contact her mother, but her
22:30mother I could not understand what she
22:33was saying. Okay. Did you understand
22:36that being a detective out there, I
22:37guess you would want to know where she
22:39saw the car, wouldn't you? Yes, sir. And
22:42what the car was doing? She didn't know
22:45what the car was doing. All right. But
22:48you would want to know what she thought
22:50the car was doing that was suspicious,
22:53right? Yes, sir. I mean, it had to have
22:56been doing something that I mean, there
22:58are a lot of cars out there. Can we
23:00agree on that?
23:01Well, there's a lot of cars that drive
23:03out there. Yes. Okay, and most of them
23:06we aren't going to think anything about
23:08them because they don't do anything to
23:10attract our attention, right? Right. So,
23:13this had to be one that attracted her
23:15attention, right?
23:18Well, she told us about it. Yes, sir.
23:20Okay, and where did she tell you that
23:23car was?
23:24My understanding was it was in the
23:27alleyway behind the house. Okay.
23:30Is this the alleyway behind the house?
23:32Yes, sir, it is.
23:34This is the alleyway behind the house?
23:36Right, that's correct. All right.
23:39And you understood it was in the
23:41alleyway behind the house and apparently
23:44doing something that was
23:46or at least she thought it was
23:48suspicious. Is that right?
23:50Well, the only thing she could say is
23:53that it was a car behind the house and
23:55going through the alleyway.
23:57Well, of course, a car behind the house
24:00going through the alleyway ordinarily
24:03wouldn't be suspicious, would it? No, it
24:06would not be. All right. So, there must
24:08have been more to it than that to have
24:10attracted her attention and to have her
24:13She never did tell me. She wouldn't tell
24:16you? She didn't tell me. All right, well
24:20after that, did you then leave for the
24:22hospital without talking to anyone
24:24further? Yes, sir. Okay, and where did
24:27you go, Detective Patterson, when you
24:29arrived at the hospital?
24:31To the emergency room. Okay. And who did
24:34you see there?
24:36I first met up with a uniformed officer
24:38who had directed me to where Detective
24:40Frost was. All right. And did you find
24:44where Detective Frost was? Yes, sir. All
24:47right. And about what time did you
24:49arrive at Baylor Hospital? About 4:30
24:53a.m. Okay.
24:55And did you determine that Darlie
24:57Routier had already arrived there? Yes,
25:00sir. Okay. And did you determine what
25:03time she had arrived there? No, sir, I
25:06did not. Okay. Did you determine that
25:09her youngest son, Damon Routier, had
25:11arrived at Baylor Hospital? Yes, sir.
25:14Did you determine what time he had
25:16arrived? No, sir, I did not. Did you
25:19determine at what time either one of
25:21them left the Eagle Drive address?
25:24No, sir. It didn't seem to be important?
25:27I'm not saying it didn't seem to be
25:29important. I didn't ask. Okay, did you
25:31ask later on? No, sir. So, it never has
25:35seemed important?
25:37No, I'm not saying it didn't seem
25:40important. It just wasn't a question
25:42that I asked.
25:44Well, I mean you have not asked to this
25:47moment, have you? Well, no, sir.
25:50So, apparently it's not important to you
25:53even now.
25:54Well, it's on the fire department's run
25:56sheet. Did you look at it there?
25:59I reviewed the run sheet, but I don't
26:01know what time they left. Okay. Well,
26:04would you tell the jury what time they
26:06arrived at Baylor Hospital? I just told
26:08you I don't know. All right. Well, at
26:11any rate, did you proceed to where
26:13Detective Frost was? Yes, sir. And where
26:16was he? He was in a waiting room where
26:19Daren Routier was. Okay, all right. And
26:22just the two of them? No, there was
26:24another person there. I believe his name
26:26is Terry Neil. Okay.
26:29He is Detective Frost's cousin by
26:32marriage, is he not?
26:34I don't know what he is to Detective
26:36Frost. Okay. You have never talked with
26:39Detective Frost about that?
26:41He made mention that he was some
26:44relative, but I don't know what. Okay.
26:48At any rate, did you interview Daren
26:50Routier at that time? Yes, sir. And how
26:53long did you and Detective Frost, in the
26:55presence of Detective Frost's relative
26:58talk with Daren Routier?
27:00We didn't. You didn't talk with him? I
27:04didn't talk to Daren Routier in front of
27:06Mr. Neil. No. Well, why is that? Well,
27:10we had asked Mr. Neil to step out of the
27:12room. Okay. So, both you and Detective
27:15Frost were there. Is that right? In the
27:17waiting room with Daren? Yes, sir. Yes,
27:20sir. All right, and you interviewed him
27:23at that time. Is that right? Yes, sir.
27:26Okay. And I assume that you took notes
27:29of that interview. Yes, sir. Okay, and
27:32where are Are your notes in this?
27:34No, sir. Where are your notes? Back
27:37there in the office. Could you get those
27:39notes for us, please, sir? Yes, sir.
27:42Okay, thank you. Would you The notes are
27:45not part of your file. Is that right?
27:47No, they are not. Okay. Would you just
27:50Whatever you have, would you bring them
27:52on out here, and I'll save you a trip.
27:55Yes, sir, I will bring them all. Okay,
27:57thank you, Detective Patterson.
27:59All right, in your presence, I'll mark
28:02this for identification and record
28:04purposes as defendant's exhibit number
28:0673. And that is a number of stapled
28:10notebook sheets. Is that correct? Yes,
28:12sir. And this contains all of the notes
28:15that you have made in this particular
28:17case. Yes, sir. When were these notes
28:20made, Detective Patterson?
28:23They have been made at different times.
28:25Okay. I figured that out that they were
28:28made at different times, but did you
28:30date them? Some of them is dated, and
28:33some of them are not.
28:35Well, why wouldn't you date all of the
28:37reports? Well, I just didn't date them.
28:40Well, why? I don't have a reason. I just
28:44didn't date them. Well, you knew what
28:46the date was, didn't you?
28:49I know what the date is going to be. All
28:51right.
28:53But how many did you date, and how many
28:55did you not date?
28:57Well, there's a few pages that are
28:59dated, and a few pages that are not
29:01dated. Okay.
29:03Now, let me hand you back what has been
29:05marked for identification and record
29:07purposes as defendant's exhibit number
29:0973. And will you tell the jury which of
29:13the pages of your personal notes are
29:15dated?
29:16Page number one has a date. What is the
29:19date on page number one? June the 6th,
29:221996.
29:24And that relates to your conversation
29:26with a Nelda Watts? Yes, sir, it does.
29:29All right, and it has the time? Yes,
29:31sir. What time? 3:45 a.m. All right. And
29:36I assume that you put down everything
29:38that was relevant in that conversation
29:40that you had with her? Yes, sir. Okay.
29:43And then the next one is Barbara Jovell?
29:45Yes, sir. All right, and what time is
29:48that?
29:49June the 6th, 1996 at 3:54 a.m. Okay.
29:54And what is the next page that is dated?
29:57June the 6th, 1996. Okay. And does that
30:01have someone's name on it or relate to a
30:04conversation? Yes sir, it does.
30:07And who might that be, please, sir?
30:10Teresa Marie Powers. Okay, Teresa?
30:13Teresa Powers? Teresa Powers? Yes sir.
30:16And what is the date and time of that?
30:20June 6th, 1996 at 4:36 a.m.
30:24And who is the Teresa Powers?
30:27A nurse at Baylor Hospital. All right,
30:30so by that time we can assume that you
30:32are at Baylor Hospital. Yes sir. Okay.
30:35Do you find any other notes in there
30:37that are dated? Excuse me, I think there
30:40is a medical it says ME office. And it
30:43has the date, but nothing written.
30:46It has the date on there.
30:48Is that what I am holding up here? Yes
30:50sir. Where it just says 5:44 a.m.
30:54and 6 6 96 ME office? Right. Does that
30:59mean you were at the ME office? No sir.
31:02What does it mean?
31:04That means that that is what time that I
31:06talked to someone at the ME's office
31:09from the hospital.
31:10Can you tell who you talked to?
31:13I don't remember her name. But you can
31:16remember that it was a female? Yes sir.
31:19But didn't write any notes other than
31:21that? No sir, I didn't. Okay.
31:24So other than that sheet, the only other
31:28notes that are dated and timed are this
31:31second sheet you said and this first
31:34sheet. Is that right?
31:36Can I finish looking at that? You bet.
31:39And there's some date on these last the
31:43date and time are on these last three
31:45pages.
31:47Are you talking about a report that you
31:49did? Yes sir. That was a supplemental
31:51report. Right? Okay.
31:54Did you take I guess the way we got into
31:57this and I have not asked for them. But
32:01you said you took notes about your
32:02conversation with Daron Routier.
32:05Actually, well, yes, there is notes in
32:08there. Yes sir. Okay. Could you point me
32:11to that part, please, sir? Okay. Are you
32:15referring to a supplemental report? Yes
32:17sir. You didn't have a laptop computer
32:20or a typewriter with you?
32:22Not with me, no. Okay.
32:25But I thought you said you took notes. I
32:27did. Where are the notes?
32:30That is this right here.
32:32Well, that is typed.
32:34Okay, I didn't take handwritten notes.
32:37Oh, you took mental notes.
32:40You mean we have been going through this
32:41exercise and you have been telling me
32:43all along that the notes you took were
32:46simply mental notes? Yes sir. Okay.
32:50And those I guess were those timed and
32:52dated? My mental notes? Mhm.
32:56Well, I have dates and times on there.
32:58Okay, but the notes that you took
33:02that you were telling us about when you
33:04interviewed Daron Routier were mental
33:07notes? Correct. Okay, all right now.
33:11How long did you talk to Daron Routier?
33:1420 or 30 minutes. Okay.
33:17And had he been interviewed by Chris
33:19Frosh prior to the time that you got
33:22there? Yes sir.
33:24And do you know how extensive he had
33:26been interviewed? No sir. Okay, you
33:28didn't talk to Detective Frosh and find
33:31out?
33:32I talked to him briefly, yes.
33:34Before or after you interviewed Daron?
33:38Before. Okay. Where did you talk to him?
33:41In the presence of Daron?
33:43No, just right outside the waiting room.
33:46Of course you didn't make any written
33:47notes on that, did you? I did not, no.
33:51All right. Now you proceeded from there
33:55to where after you had interviewed Daron
33:58Routier?
34:00Then I went back and went into the room
34:02where Damon Routier was.
34:05About what time was this, Detective
34:08Patterson? Sometime just before 6:00
34:10a.m. Okay. So about what if you arrived
34:14out at the hospital at what time? About
34:174:30. Okay. And you talked to Daron for
34:20half an hour or so? Yes sir.
34:23Would it now be 5:00 or thereabouts?
34:26Or a little after?
34:28Where did you go from your interview
34:29with Daron Routier?
34:31I went to the room where Damon Routier
34:33was. Okay. And did you view his body?
34:36Yes sir. And how long did that take?
34:40I can't give you a time. I was in there
34:42a few minutes before I notified the
34:45crime scene officer. Okay.
34:47And where did you go from there?
34:49From where?
34:51From the room where Daron Damon Routier
34:54was. Well, he was in a room that is
34:57there attached to the emergency room and
34:59I just went outside and made a phone
35:01call. Okay. And who did you call?
35:04I called the dispatch Rowlett police
35:07dispatch and asked for a crime scene
35:10unit. Okay. And who did you talk with? I
35:13do not remember. Okay. Where did you go
35:16from there?
35:17You were outside and you were on the
35:19phone. You finish your phone
35:21conversation. Where did you go next?
35:24Back in there and talked to Frosh for a
35:27little bit.
35:28By this time, what time is it? I don't
35:30know. After 5:00?
35:33Well, it's after 5:00. Yes, it's just
35:35shortly before 6:00. Okay. So you talked
35:39with Frosh. Now during your interview
35:41with Daron Routier, did Detective Frosh
35:44take any notes? Yes sir. And in your
35:47presence? Yes sir. Written notes?
35:51Written notes? I can't say for sure. I
35:53don't know. Okay, all right. And I mean
35:56is there some reason that you all didn't
35:58take written notes? No sir.
36:01I mean I guess I wouldn't know enough
36:03not to take notes. Is that a bad
36:05practice to take notes?
36:07I don't think so, no.
36:09But you just take them sometimes and
36:11sometimes you don't? Well, in this case
36:14I didn't take any notes, no.
36:16Okay, so at any rate, after you have
36:19conferred with Detective Frosh, where
36:22did you next go?
36:24I waited on a crime scene unit and he
36:26arrived. At which point we went back
36:29into where Damon was and we took
36:31photographs. Okay, of Damon's injuries.
36:35Okay.
36:36You said we did. Are you saying that
36:39someone else did it in your presence?
36:42Right. Do you remember who did it? Yes,
36:45that was Officer Dwayne Bedingfield. All
36:48right. And what happened after that?
36:51At which time the family arrived, they
36:54wanted to see Damon and we let Miss
36:57Darley Key go in there for just a moment
37:00and then she left. Okay. And then what
37:03did you do?
37:04We found out that we could go talk to
37:06Darley Routier. Okay. And had you left
37:09instructions with Daron not to leave the
37:12room that he was in or was he free to
37:15leave or what were your instructions to
37:17him?
37:18Well, I don't recall telling him that he
37:20couldn't leave. Okay. So as far as you
37:24were concerned, he was free to leave?
37:26Yes sir. You didn't tell him anything to
37:28the contrary?
37:30No sir, not that I recall.
37:32Well, that is something you would
37:33recall, isn't it? Well, I don't remember
37:36telling him he couldn't leave, no.
37:39How about Detective Frosh? I don't know.
37:42Not to your knowledge? I mean he didn't
37:45tell him he couldn't leave to your
37:47knowledge, did he?
37:48I don't know if he did or not. Okay. At
37:51any rate, who told you that you could
37:54see Darley Routier?
37:56I believe it was an officer by the name
37:58of Phyllis Jackson. Okay.
38:00Was she a young lady who worked there at
38:03Baylor Hospital? As a policeman? Yes
38:05sir.
38:06Part of the Baylor private police
38:09personnel? Yes sir. Okay.
38:11And about what time was it when you went
38:14up to see Darley Routier? About 6:11.
38:18Okay. And who was present when you
38:21interviewed her? Detective Frosh and a
38:24nurse by the name of Chris and I can't
38:26recall his last name. But a male? Yes
38:29sir.
38:30Okay, just the three of you? You, Frosh,
38:33the nurse and Darley Routier?
38:36That is all that was in there that I
38:38saw. Yes. Okay. Anybody else? You would
38:41have seen them?
38:42Well, we were behind somewhat behind the
38:45curtain. I couldn't see the front door
38:47or the door leading into the hallway.
38:50All right. Do you know whether or not
38:52Darley Routier had been medicated? I do
38:54not know. She was there in the hospital,
38:57correct? Correct. She had injuries that
39:00you reviewed? Yes sir. Did you
39:03were you advised that she had just come
39:05out of surgery? Yes sir. Okay. And
39:08again, as a detective
39:10wouldn't you put two and two together
39:12and figure that she had in fact been
39:14medicated?
39:16Well, I don't know. You didn't know? No.
39:20And I take it that you didn't make any
39:22inquiry as to whether or not she had
39:24been medicated? No.
39:26And you didn't think that that might be
39:29important when you interviewed her?
39:31What I did was I asked her if she was
39:34okay and felt well enough to talk to us
39:37and she said she did. Okay, she was
39:40cooperative, wasn't she? Yes sir. And as
39:43a matter of fact, answered all of your
39:45questions, didn't she? Yes, sir. Okay.
39:48Did you take notes of that conversation?
39:51No, sir. Okay.
39:53Detective Frost took the notes. And you
39:56know, of course, that he took them and
39:58recorded them accurately? Yes, sir.
40:00Okay. Even though you didn't take any
40:03notes yourself? No, because I told Frost
40:06that I was going to ask the questions
40:08while he took the notes. Okay.
40:10And you were not under any time
40:12restraints, were you? No, sir. Okay. So,
40:16you could have talked to her, I guess,
40:18as long as she was willing to talk to
40:20you? Yes, sir.
40:22And she was willing to talk to you as
40:24long as you asked her questions, she
40:26would answer, wouldn't she?
40:28She answered our questions. Yes, sir.
40:30How long did you talk to her, Detective
40:32Patterson?
40:3420 or 30 minutes. Okay. Did you tell
40:37Detective Frost to note in his notes
40:39there the date and time that the
40:42interview began and the date and time
40:44when the interview ceased? I did not.
40:46Okay. Do you know whether he did or not?
40:49I know that he
40:51he has the date that we was there and
40:54the date that we started or that we went
40:57up there and the time that we went up
40:59there. As far as him jotting down the
41:01time we actually started the interview,
41:04no. He didn't do that? No. And he didn't
41:07jot down the time that you
41:10stopped. Stopped the interview? No.
41:14And I guess you didn't think that was
41:15important or you would have had him do
41:18it? Right. I don't see that that had
41:21anything to do with it. No.
41:23But at any rate, that conversation
41:26lasted some 20 or 30 minutes?
41:28Something like that. Yes, sir. And she
41:31was cooperative the entire time? Yes,
41:33sir. Did you ask her what had happened
41:36or what she recalled? Yes, sir. And what
41:39did she tell you?
41:41She told us at that time that an
41:43intruder had Well, she had awoken to
41:46find an intruder over her. She struggled
41:50with the intruder. She saw him with the
41:52knife. I asked her to describe this
41:54person, at which time she started to
41:57describe the person and I asked her to
41:58stop for a minute and let's start from
42:01the very top to what he was wearing.
42:03Okay. What did she tell you?
42:06She said that he was wearing a black
42:08cap. And I said, was the bill to the
42:11front of the face or was it turned
42:13around backwards? And she said the bill
42:16was to the front. Okay. I asked her if
42:19she remembered seeing any writing on it.
42:21She didn't see any writing or no
42:24pictures. I asked her if she knew
42:26whether it was a fitted cap or if it was
42:29one that you had to adjust. She did not
42:31know. I asked her from the cap if she
42:35could describe his hair and she said it
42:37was a dark colored brown that it was
42:39shoulder length. It appeared to be
42:42straight. I asked her to describe his
42:44face and she could not describe any part
42:47of the face. I asked her to describe
42:50what he was wearing and she said he was
42:52wearing a black t-shirt. And I asked her
42:55if it was a black pullover t-shirt, a
42:57buttoned up t-shirt and she said it was
43:00a pullover, that it didn't have any
43:02buttons on it, didn't have a collar on
43:05it and it was short sleeved. All right.
43:08I asked her if it had any writing or
43:10designs on it and she didn't see any. I
43:14asked her about a belt. She couldn't
43:16remember if there was a belt or not. I
43:19asked her about his jeans. The blue
43:21jeans. I asked her if she could remember
43:23if they were blue blue jeans or a
43:25different color. She said blue. She
43:28couldn't remember any labels on the
43:30jeans. Okay.
43:33I asked her about his shoes and socks
43:36and she didn't remember any shoes or
43:38socks. I asked her because of it being a
43:41short sleeved t-shirt if she saw any
43:44tattoos or scars on his arms and she
43:46said no, that she didn't remember any
43:49scars or tattoos. Of course, naturally,
43:52we think about robbery and I asked her
43:55about her jewelry and she said the
43:58jewelry she described her jewelry real
44:00well and where it was located. And I
44:03would have to look at my notes to see
44:05what else she said. Okay. Are you
44:07talking about your written notes?
44:10No, I'm talking about Frost's notes or
44:13the supplement.
44:14You just made mental notes? Yes, sir.
44:17All right.
44:19Have you had occasion to review Frost's
44:21notes? Yes, sir. Before your testimony?
44:24Yes, sir. Yesterday, I suspect. Yes,
44:26sir. Okay.
44:28When is the last time before yesterday
44:30that you reviewed them?
44:32The last time I reviewed Frost's notes
44:34had been right after he gave them to me
44:37months ago.
44:38All right. Let me hand you what has been
44:41marked for identification and record
44:43purposes as defendant's exhibit 72.
44:47And you will have his notes in here?
44:50Yes, sir. Would you find those for me,
44:52please, sir? I mean 72. Okay.
44:56And what happened is at this point the
44:58judge lets the jury leave the room while
45:01Detective Patterson goes and gets his
45:03notes or his files, whatever it is that
45:05he grabbed. The jury comes back in and
45:08everything is resumed back on the
45:10record.
45:12And Mr. Mulder says, Detective
45:14Patterson, while the jury was out of the
45:16room, you went through your entire file
45:18here, did you not?
45:20Yeah, pretty much so. All right. And
45:23were you unable to find Chris Frost's
45:26notes there?
45:28I didn't find them. No.
45:30It's your file, isn't it? Yes, sir. All
45:33right. You are telling us that Chris
45:36Frost's notes are not in your file?
45:39I didn't see them in there. Okay. But
45:41you reviewed them last night? I did, but
45:45I didn't look in that file. I've got a
45:47copy of his notes. Where is that?
45:50I just gave you two pages. Oh, you are
45:53talking about what is written up here?
45:56The supplement.
45:57Yes. I just gave you two pages of the
46:00supplement. Yes, sir. Yes. Okay, well, I
46:04was talking about his actual notes.
46:07I don't have that. Are you talking about
46:09handwritten notes? Yes, sir.
46:12I don't have those. Okay. So, what you
46:15are telling us, you reviewed You
46:17apparently reviewed the report that he
46:19made and not his handwritten notes?
46:23What I reviewed was he has a supplement
46:26and I reviewed his supplement.
46:28Okay.
46:30Let me hand you what has been marked for
46:33identification and record purposes as
46:35defendant's exhibits 74 and 75. And I'll
46:39ask you if you recognize Chris Frost's
46:42handwriting.
46:43I'm not sure.
46:45Well, I don't know whether you would
46:47take my word for it or not, but he
46:49handed those to me and told me those
46:51were his notes. Okay. Do you have any
46:54quarrel with that? No, sir.
46:57These are the notes that you saw him
46:58taking in the hospital? No, sir. Oh,
47:01these are not the notes that he was
47:03taking at the hospital?
47:06I didn't see what he was taking because
47:08where I was standing, I was asking
47:10questions and he was kind of standing to
47:13my left and I wasn't really paying any
47:16attention to him.
47:18Well, when you left the hospital,
47:20did you review his notes to make sure
47:23that he put down what was accurate? No,
47:26I did not. Why not?
47:29Well, I just didn't review his notes.
47:32Well, I mean, you want it to be accurate
47:34with what she said, don't you? Yes, sir.
47:37Okay, well, I mean, what better way to
47:39be accurate than either one, record it
47:42with a tape recorder and you could have
47:44done that, couldn't you?
47:46We could have, but that is not a policy
47:49that we use. No. Okay, well,
47:52I don't care whether it's a policy or
47:54not.
47:55I just want to know
47:56Well, we care that it's our policy and
47:59it's not our policy, so we don't use a
48:01tape recorder. Did you have that option?
48:04You could have recorded it with a tape
48:06recorder?
48:07Well, we don't do that.
48:09But you could have? We don't do that.
48:12Well, the court says, all right, let's
48:15move on. I think everybody understands
48:17the question and the answer.
48:20Mr. Mulder then continues.
48:22Well, you could have video recorded it
48:25if you had chosen to?
48:27But we don't do that. Well, you video
48:29record drunk drivers, don't you?
48:32That is uniform. That is separate than
48:35our division.
48:36All right. So, you have the equipment
48:38available to you?
48:40We have video equipment. Yes, sir. You
48:43chose not to do that? No.
48:45You chose not to take any notes yourself
48:48and you chose not to review your
48:50partner's notes.
48:52Would you look at those notes now,
48:54defendant's exhibit number 74? Would
48:56this be the first time that you have
48:58looked at them?
49:00The first time I have looked at this,
49:02yes. All right.
49:04The first time that you have ever seen
49:05his notes.
49:07As regards the conversation that took
49:09place at approximately 6:00 on June the
49:126th of 1996. Is that right?
49:16Do what now?
49:18This is the first time that you have
49:20reviewed Chris Frost's notes with
49:23respect to the conversation between you
49:25and Darlene at 6:11 or 6:15 or whatever
49:29time it was?
49:31I reviewed his notes. I reviewed his
49:32supplement.
49:34Well, are those the notes that you
49:36reviewed? No, I reviewed the typed
49:38supplement that he All right, I
49:41understand. Would you review his notes,
49:44please, sir? Sure. Okay.
49:47The court then says, "All right, you may
49:49continue, please." And Mr. Mulder says,
49:51"Yes, sir." And then continues. Do you
49:53feel like you are well enough acquainted
49:56with those notes now to answer some
49:58questions? Yes, sir. Okay.
50:01You had told the jury or given them an
50:03account and is it fair to say that notes
50:06probably start on this page that I have
50:09marked Defendant's Exhibit number 74
50:12where it says Baylor Hospital, Baylor
50:14Medical Center, Dallas in recovery room
50:17approximately 6:11.
50:20Do you see that? Would that be fair to
50:22say that that is probably where those
50:24notes start?
50:26Well, no. It looks to me like it started
50:29on the first page.
50:31Well, but if you will read that, that
50:33appears to be an interview with Daryn,
50:35isn't it?
50:36On the first several pages? Yes, sir.
50:39Yes, sir. Okay.
50:41These are Detective Frosh's notes and
50:44that is probably who you are going to
50:45have to ask about that. Okay.
50:48Well, inasmuch as you have refreshed
50:50your memory from his notes, you have
50:53told us about, for example, you gave us
50:55a description and that description was
50:57based on what Detective Frosh wrote
50:59down, I assume. Was it not?
51:02The description of what?
51:04The description of the assailant that
51:06Routier described to you during the
51:08morning of June the 6th.
51:10And what I can remember? Yes, sir. Okay.
51:13Did she tell y'all that the man was
51:15possibly black?
51:17She did not tell us that morning, no.
51:20She had told the uniformed officer.
51:24Wonder why he wrote it in his notes up
51:26there.
51:27Mr. Greg Davis then says, "I'm going to
51:30object to that. That is improper
51:31impeachment."
51:33The court says, "Sustained. Sustained.
51:35Let's move on. If you want to call
51:36Detective Frosh, then call him."
51:39Mr. Mulder says, "Judge, I intend to
51:40call him."
51:42Well, then fine. Let's move on to what
51:44this witness actually knows of his own
51:47knowledge. And the witness then says,
51:49"That is not what that says." Mr. Mulder
51:52says, "Yes, sir." Mr. Mulder then says,
51:55"Black cap." Mr. Greg Davis says, "I'm
51:58going to object again to him going into
52:00that document." And the court says,
52:02"Sustained." Mr. Mulder continues.
52:05Did he have a black cap on?
52:08She says he had a black cap on. Okay.
52:12Shoulder-length hair or collar-length
52:15hair?
52:16What I remember is it was about
52:18shoulder-length, excuse me,
52:20collar-length.
52:22Did she ever describe the assailant as
52:24possibly black?
52:26I had one of the other supplements from
52:28Officer Waddell showed black or white.
52:32Okay. Black or white, is that right?
52:35Black or white?
52:36Now, you were telling us about talking
52:39to a lady about an unusual car out
52:42there? Yes, sir. And talking to this
52:45Barbara Jovell about a car and talking
52:47to another lady about a car that was
52:50parked in that what you call a street,
52:53is that right? Yes, sir. All right. Were
52:56there any other people that reported a
52:57small black car in or around the Routier
53:01home that evening or early morning?
53:03Either the evening of June the 5th or
53:06the early morning of June the 6th?
53:10You will have to ask me that again.
53:12Okay.
53:13Why was it Why did you care whether
53:16there had been mysterious cars or
53:18suspicious cars out there?
53:20What importance could that have possibly
53:22been?
53:23Well, at the time we were looking for an
53:26intruder. Okay. So, that is what made it
53:29important if there were suspicious cars
53:31out there, is that right? Yes. Okay. And
53:34did you find people who had seen
53:37suspicious cars out there? Did we find
53:39people? Yes.
53:41The lady, Ms. Watts, told me about a
53:43car. That is one, but she didn't say
53:47black car to me. She just said a car.
53:50She said a dark car to one of your other
53:53fellow detectives, didn't she?
53:56Well, I don't know if it was a dark car
53:58or Well, I would have to read that
53:59again, but it was a dark car, mid-sized,
54:03and then Ms. Jovell was the one that was
54:05telling me that her mother had seen a
54:07black car in the alleyway. Okay.
54:10Well, did anybody tell you that they had
54:12seen a car around midnight drive up her
54:15alley and look in the garage and turn or
54:19toward the garage and turn around and
54:22leave and just hanging around in that
54:24area, a small black car? Well, yes, sir.
54:29That is about a 3-in account. Have you
54:31read that?
54:32Well, there is a supplement about
54:34someone telling a uniformed officer
54:36about a car. Okay. It was dated on 6/8.
54:40All right. I mean,
54:41it is your report, right?
54:44Did you find someone who had seen a
54:46small car in the alley shortly before
54:48midnight, some two or two and a half
54:50hours before the attack?
54:52I didn't talk to anybody about that.
54:55I know, but that report came in to you,
54:57didn't it?
54:59Which report? That report there shows a
55:01different date.
55:04Drove by the home slowly. Drove in the
55:08alley. Mr. Greg Davis then says, "I'm
55:11going to object to that." The court
55:13says, "Sustained. Please ask the next
55:15question. Please answer all of the
55:17questions you know of your own knowledge
55:19directly and succinctly and as quickly
55:22as possible." The witness says, "Yes,
55:24sir." Mr. Mulder continues.
55:27Did you say that this is the first time
55:29that you have actually seen the spiral
55:31notebook with the handwritten notes?
55:33Yes, sir. Okay. Now, you were there
55:36approximately 20 to 30 minutes. Is that
55:39what you have previously testified to?
55:41I was where?
55:43At the hospital, at Baylor, talking to
55:45Darly? Yes, sir. Okay. 20 or 30 minutes,
55:49is that right? About that.
55:52That is not a trick question. I want to
55:54move on.
55:55Approximately, yes. Okay. And did you
55:58then leave the hospital or did you go
56:00back to talk to Daryn?
56:02I don't remember talking to Daryn
56:04anymore after that. Okay. Did you return
56:07to the hospital anymore that day?
56:09I don't recall being back at the
56:11hospital that day.
56:12Of course, you didn't put anything in
56:14your notes about it, did you? No, sir.
56:17You didn't put anything in your notes
56:18about talking to Daryn, did you? Yes,
56:21sir. You did. I have a supplement
56:24showing I talked to Daryn.
56:26Well, but I'm talking about your
56:28handwritten notes. I didn't take any
56:31handwritten notes not about when I
56:33talked to Daryn. Okay. No handwritten
56:36notes when you talked to Daryn and no
56:38handwritten notes when you talked to
56:40Darly? No, on that day. Right. You don't
56:44recall returning to the hospital that
56:46day?
56:47I don't remember coming back to the
56:49hospital.
56:50Well, does that mean you could have? I
56:52could have. Okay, but you wouldn't
56:55Of course, there is no way we will know
56:57because you don't have any notes. Is
56:59that right?
57:00I know that I talked to somebody about
57:02coming back to the hospital, but I don't
57:04remember that I went back to the
57:06hospital. All right. When you left the
57:09hospital, will you tell the jury where
57:11you went that morning? Yes, sir.
57:14I went back to 5801 Eagle Drive. Okay.
57:18About what time did you get back there?
57:21And this is where we're going to leave
57:23off. Patterson's testimony lasts for
57:26quite some time and we've now moved into
57:29the time frame where he has left the
57:31hospital and gone back to the house on
57:34Eagle Drive and that is where we will
57:36pick up in the next episode.
57:39So, let's recap what we've learned so
57:41far.
57:43Mr. Mulder begins by asking if the
57:45detective has his case file and his
57:48notes with him and he said that he did.
57:50So,
57:51Patterson tells that he was notified
57:54about the crime at around 2:55 in the
57:57morning. He arrived on scene about 3:30
58:00to 3:35 a.m.
58:03He said that some fire personnel and
58:05officers were at the scene and said that
58:08the medical personnel had been there,
58:11but they had left. And he had, I guess,
58:15only spoken to a firefighter. He didn't
58:18know how many medical personnel had
58:20actually been at the scene prior to him
58:23arriving. Now, he did not interview any
58:26of the medical personnel that had been
58:27there, but evidently they had left
58:30written statements.
58:32It's unknown when they had the time to
58:34actually write down these statements. Um
58:37Maybe it was after the fact, I don't
58:38know, but, you know, here I'm picturing,
58:41hey, he shows up, he didn't talk to any
58:43of any of them, excuse me, and then
58:45says, "Hey, but they left written
58:47statements." I mean, it's really It's
58:48highly doubtful they sat there and wrote
58:50out a statement before they they took
58:52care of their patients, right?
58:54Patterson then met with the officer in
58:56charge when he first got there and that
58:58happened to be Sergeant Matt Walling.
59:01He then gets a little bit of information
59:04and walks around to the backyard and
59:07notices that the back gate is open.
59:10He kind of glances inside towards where
59:12the garage screen was, said he didn't
59:15want to walk into the backyard because
59:16he was afraid he'd mess up any potential
59:19evidence.
59:20He then went back around the front and
59:23was instructed to then go to the
59:25hospital and talk with the witnesses.
59:28He literally has to be asked if he spoke
59:32to anyone before he left and he said
59:34that he talked to one of the fire
59:36persons or the
59:37paramedics. Now,
59:39I thought they had left by that point,
59:42but he might be talking about, you know,
59:44the paramedics with the fire
59:46departments. I'm not sure about this.
59:48This is all that he said though.
59:50He had to be asked if he spoke to any
59:53neighbors and he then admitted that he
59:56had, but then Mulder, the defense
59:59attorney, kind of calls him out on this
1:00:01because he had to be he had to be asked
1:00:03about it rather than just flat out give
1:00:05Mulder this information.
1:00:07So, then we find out that
1:00:09Patterson then he talks about a lady
1:00:11across the street who was calling to him
1:00:14to talk to him.
1:00:15And Mulder then begins to ask about this
1:00:17black car because that's what this lady
1:00:20evidently was telling Patterson about.
1:00:23Now, Greg Davis, he objects to this
1:00:25multiple multiple multiple times,
1:00:28but eventually Mulder is able to get his
1:00:31question out.
1:00:33He's finally able to ask Patterson what
1:00:36the lady that he spoke to told him and
1:00:39she evidently had said that shortly
1:00:42after the fire departments and the
1:00:43police had arrived this car had left.
1:00:47Patterson was then asked if he spoke to
1:00:49Karen Neil and he said that he had not,
1:00:52but then he was asked if he knew who did
1:00:55and he said he didn't know, but thought
1:00:57it would be in a report, but couldn't
1:00:59remember.
1:01:00Mulder then points out that even at this
1:01:03date at this point in the trial
1:01:06Patterson had never ever interviewed or
1:01:08spoken to any of the paramedics that had
1:01:11been on that scene that night.
1:01:14Mulder then brings up the fact that if
1:01:17you know, no one ever made a report,
1:01:20then Patterson would have nothing to
1:01:22review, which Mulder made seem rather
1:01:25convenient, right?
1:01:27We then learn that before he left for
1:01:30the hospital, meaning Patterson, he also
1:01:32spoke to Barbara Jovell and you might
1:01:34remember her from an earlier episode.
1:01:38She was also there and she wanted him to
1:01:41know that her mom had seen a black car
1:01:43the day before the crime.
1:01:46He spoke to Barbara between 3:35 and
1:01:494:00 a.m.
1:01:51They evidently tried to call Barbara's
1:01:53mom
1:01:54and talk with her, but Patterson, he
1:01:57said he couldn't understand her, but he
1:02:00did evidently understand that she had
1:02:01seen this car in the alleyway behind the
1:02:04house. And according to Patterson, she
1:02:07didn't tell him if there was more to
1:02:10this black car other than just going
1:02:12through the alleyway and then Mulder
1:02:14makes an excellent point saying, "Well,
1:02:17if it's just a car driving through the
1:02:18alleyway, why would she consider that
1:02:20suspicious?" Because that happens all
1:02:22the time. So, there had to be something
1:02:24different about what this black car was
1:02:27doing.
1:02:29Patterson then said that he went to
1:02:31Baylor Hospital about 4:30 in the
1:02:33morning and was told where Detective
1:02:36Frosh was.
1:02:37Uh Patterson never asked as to when
1:02:41Darley or either of her children had
1:02:43arrived at the hospital
1:02:45or even when they left the house. He
1:02:47said he never asked, but then said that
1:02:49it was on the fire department's run
1:02:51sheet.
1:02:52He said he looked at it, but didn't know
1:02:54what time they left.
1:02:56So, when he got to the room where Daron
1:02:59and Detective Frosh were, Terry Neil was
1:03:02there. Now, this is Karen's husband and
1:03:04remember they live across the street.
1:03:06And here
1:03:07we learn that Frosh and Terry Neil are
1:03:11cousins by marriage.
1:03:13Now, whether this matters right now or
1:03:15in the future, I don't know, but I
1:03:17didn't know about this. I thought it was
1:03:19kind of interesting.
1:03:20He said he went into the room to
1:03:23interview Daron and evidently they had
1:03:25Terry leave so they could interview
1:03:27Daron, but here's the thing. I thought
1:03:29that Frosh was already talking to Daron
1:03:32by the time Patterson got there and
1:03:34Terry was still in the room.
1:03:38So, did Terry then hear the questions
1:03:41being asked of Daron? Because remember
1:03:44Frosh and Terry Neil, they're related.
1:03:47So, maybe he felt a little bit more
1:03:49comfortable with Terry in the room and
1:03:50say, "Hey, I'm just going to go ahead
1:03:52and ask these questions." Or or
1:03:55they were just all hanging out waiting
1:03:57for a second officer to arrive. So,
1:04:00there's a little couple of different
1:04:01ways you can look at that. So, they had
1:04:03Terry leave the room and we learn that
1:04:07Patterson then took {quote} notes,
1:04:11but and
1:04:14seriously
1:04:16this is really laughable. He took what
1:04:18he called mental notes. He never wrote
1:04:21anything down. He later typed it up in a
1:04:24supplemental report, but that's it.
1:04:27He is then asked if Frosh took notes and
1:04:31he said that he did, but he wasn't sure
1:04:33if he wrote them down or not.
1:04:35You know,
1:04:37seriously, this has got to be a joke,
1:04:38right? I mean, how do you actually say,
1:04:42"I took notes."
1:04:44But then to you, your notes are also
1:04:46mental notes as well as physical notes.
1:04:48I this does not make any sense to me.
1:04:51We get more notes from actual notes from
1:04:56Detective Patterson when he's on the
1:04:57stand
1:04:59and he is asked if he has dated these
1:05:01notes and he said not all of them. And
1:05:05which is true. We learn though that a
1:05:07vast majority of his actual physical
1:05:10notes that he made aren't even dated at
1:05:13all.
1:05:14Patterson was evidently told by Phyllis
1:05:17Jackson, we also heard from her early on
1:05:20in the trial. She is the officer that
1:05:22works for Baylor
1:05:24um that they could go in and see Darley
1:05:27and he's asked if
1:05:30he is asked if he told Daron whether or
1:05:32not he should stay where he was or if he
1:05:35was free to leave and Patterson could
1:05:37not remember.
1:05:38Now, honestly, if he couldn't remember
1:05:40something that simple,
1:05:42what makes him think that his memory of
1:05:45a 20 to 30-minute conversation with
1:05:47Daron is going to be any better when he
1:05:50eventually writes his supplemental
1:05:52report? Patterson is then asked if he
1:05:55knew that Darley had just come out of
1:05:57surgery and he said that he did know
1:05:59that, but he didn't realize that she
1:06:02would have been medicated.
1:06:04So, this guy
1:06:06he he's got to be playing everyone,
1:06:08right? He really can't believe this, can
1:06:11he?
1:06:12I mean, I yeah, I I really don't know
1:06:15what to say about this.
1:06:17Darley did agree to speak with both
1:06:20Patterson and Frosh and again, no notes
1:06:24were taken by Patterson. However,
1:06:27this time for some reason Patterson had
1:06:29asked Frosh to take physical notes while
1:06:33he, Patterson, asked Darley questions.
1:06:37Now, why wasn't this done in the case of
1:06:39Daron? I'm just curious. I mean, if
1:06:41they're doing it for her, why aren't
1:06:42they doing it for him?
1:06:45Patterson is then given time to find
1:06:47these notes that Detective Frosh had
1:06:49made while Patterson was interviewing
1:06:51Darley and Frosh evidently was writing
1:06:53these down and he was not able to locate
1:06:55them in his files. He is asked if he
1:06:58recorded the conversation and he said,
1:07:01"No, because it's not the policy of the
1:07:03police department."
1:07:05He said that they spoke to Darley about
1:07:0820 to 30 minutes in the hospital and
1:07:11ironically this is about the same amount
1:07:13of time that he said he also spoke to
1:07:15Daron approximately. So,
1:07:17that's kind of where we're at right now.
1:07:19He's covered this.
1:07:22They've gone over, "Hey, who took the
1:07:24notes? How long was this conversation
1:07:25with Darley?" And then asked, "Okay,
1:07:27well, what did you do next?" And at this
1:07:29point this is when he goes
1:07:31back to the house and this is where we
1:07:33left off and where we will pick up in
1:07:36the next episode.
1:07:38But, I would love to know.
1:07:41Do you have any thoughts, opinions,
1:07:43ideas, suggestions? Am I reading into
1:07:46this wrong? About the whole, "Hey,
1:07:48mental notes and physical notes." kind
1:07:50of thing. Um I just be curious as to
1:07:52what your thoughts are about this. So,
1:07:55if you have any, please leave them in
1:07:57the YouTube comments area for this
1:07:59particular episode. I really do want to
1:08:02know what you think about this.
1:08:04And remember, we're not completely done
1:08:06with Patterson. We still have at least
1:08:08one more to go in this portion. We then
1:08:11move to two additional witnesses and
1:08:14then to a third witness, which is Daron,
1:08:17and then Jimmy Patterson is actually
1:08:18back on the stand followed by
1:08:21Officer Chris Frosh. So, that's kind of
1:08:24where we're at right now.
1:08:26Thank you all so so much for listening.
1:08:29I appreciate each and every single one
1:08:33of you.
1:08:34Again, if you have any comments or
1:08:36thoughts or ideas, please leave those in
1:08:40the YouTube comment area for this
1:08:42particular episode. I would love to read
1:08:44them. We will pick up where we left off
1:08:47with Detective Patterson in the next
1:08:50episode and we will talk very very soon.
1:08:54Bye for now.

About this transcript

This page contains the full transcript of [TRIAL TRANSCRIPT PART 51] - Darlie Routier Trial - Detective Jimmy Patterson Part 1 by TrueCrimeFM, generated from the public captions YouTube serves with the video. The transcript has 10,939 words across 1,674 segments, with the original timestamps preserved so you can click any line to jump to that moment in the embedded player.

What you can do with it

Use the transcript to take notes, quote the speaker, build a study guide, generate a summary with ChatGPT or Claude via the YouTube Summary tool, or export it as a timed subtitle file with YouTube to SRT. You can also re-open it in the transcriber to translate the transcript into 100+ languages.

Free YouTube transcript tool

YouTube2Text is a free YouTube transcript generator — no signup, no daily limit. Paste any YouTube link and get the full transcript instantly, with timestamps, click-to-jump, translation to 100+ languages, AI prompts for ChatGPT, Claude, and Gemini, and exports to TXT, SRT, VTT, or Markdown.