Tonya Harding interview during Nancy Kerrigan controversy - Eye To Eye with Connie Chung 2/10/94 — Transcript
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- 0:00to February 10 1994 episode of eye to
- 0:04eye with Connie Chung
- 0:07not me not eye to eye with Ken Dixon
- 0:10that's different
- 0:12featured Tanya Harding
- 0:15who is right in the midst of the whole
- 0:17Nancy Kerrigan attack controversy
- 0:21as it turned out her husband had
- 0:22contracted a Hitman to go into smash her
- 0:27knee did it at Kobo Arena and uh
- 0:31it was a great drama I mean they ended
- 0:34up on the Olympics and competed with
- 0:37each other and ignoring each other and
- 0:40you know Tanya of course was like not
- 0:43your typical skater chick you know she
- 0:46wasn't a preppy little girl she was more
- 0:49from the trailer park side of Portland
- 0:52which if you've ever been to Portland oh
- 0:55my goodness
- 0:57so check out this cool cool cool bit of
- 1:00TV history
- 1:01it's even referenced on Wikipedia But
- 1:04the Link's broken because I posted it
- 1:06without an intro so here's an intro for
- 1:08you people an interesting intro eye to
- 1:12eye
- 1:13an eye to eye intro the i in intro There
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- 1:18[Music]
- 1:20hi I'm Connie Chun tonight on eye to eye
- 1:25I'm gonna go out with a bang
- 1:27the interview America has been waiting
- 1:29for Tanya Harding breaks her silence an
- 1:32eye to eye Network exclusive
- 1:35why didn't you go to authorities
- 1:36immediately because I was afraid afraid
- 1:39of what being hurt by whom people
- 1:44tonight an emotional heartache talks
- 1:47about her role in the skating Scandal
- 1:49and about the man who turned on her
- 1:51ex-husband Jeff kaluli thanks for No One
- 2:01if I ever did anything it was to stick
- 2:03up for him and protect him
- 2:08and we'll take you to little Homer where
- 2:11the next chapter in the drama is about
- 2:12to unfold
- 2:15[Applause]
- 2:18also outrage at West Point how did white
- 2:21Cadets look at Johnson Whitaker oh they
- 2:24they thought he had absolutely no
- 2:26business being there uppity uppity a
- 2:28former slave tortured then drummed out
- 2:31of the core for the crime of being black
- 2:34three masked people are in the room and
- 2:37they say that if you don't leave we are
- 2:40going to kill you now more than a
- 2:42hundred years later a remarkable family
- 2:44may see Justice Done what has what
- 2:47happened to your grandfather done to
- 2:49your family
- 2:50[Music]
- 2:52those stories in
- 2:55more
- 2:55[Music]
- 3:04[Music]
- 3:05correspondence Bernard Goldberg
- 3:09Magnus Russ Mitchell
- 3:13Roberta Baskin
- 3:15and Bill lagatuda
- 3:17[Music]
- 3:23good evening never have the words
- 3:25Olympic hopeful had more meaning than in
- 3:28the case of Tanya Harding in Portland a
- 3:30court will hold a hearing tomorrow on
- 3:32Harding's appeal for a temporary
- 3:34restraining order to postpone Tuesday's
- 3:37U.S Olympic Committee hearing in Oslo
- 3:39that hearing could lead to her expulsion
- 3:41from the Winter Games Harding also filed
- 3:44a 20 million lawsuit against the
- 3:46committee tonight Tonya Harding comes
- 3:49forward for an exclusive Network
- 3:51interview
- 3:52because she is under investigation by
- 3:54Olympic and skating officials as well as
- 3:56authorities in Portland Harding's
- 3:58lawyers advised her not to discuss
- 4:00certain details of the case and now
- 4:02you'll see a Tanya Harding you've never
- 4:05seen before
- 4:06I like myself you do it you like
- 4:08yourself yeah I do well I think that
- 4:11people like it that I have an open mind
- 4:13and that I'll tell them what I feel of
- 4:16course there's always the other side
- 4:17that you can be a little too blunt
- 4:20yes but isn't it always better to tell
- 4:21the truth
- 4:23you guys aren't allowed in the store
- 4:25we're sorry okay thanks the truth is
- 4:27what everyone wants to hear from Tonya
- 4:29Harding can you say that's just not true
- 4:32those are lies
- 4:35are you still planning on going to the
- 4:37Olympics
- 4:38still want to represent my country
- 4:41it may seem as if her life is spinning
- 4:44out of control
- 4:46but this blue-collar kid didn't get to
- 4:49be a world-class skater by giving up or
- 4:51changing who she is I'm my own person
- 4:54you guys will you go away please
- 4:58I may not go to
- 5:00the Opera and and go to expensive
- 5:04dinners all the time you know I like to
- 5:08go four-wheeling I like to go bowling I
- 5:10like to shoot pool
- 5:12I like to do those kind of things
- 5:14and I don't think it makes me a bad
- 5:16person because I have a lot of hobbies
- 5:18so how are you doing I mean you know in
- 5:21terms of
- 5:23yeah yeah okay
- 5:25the past month hasn't been easy she may
- 5:28be the national champ but according to a
- 5:30CBS News poll most of the public thinks
- 5:33she is lying she's in the fight of her
- 5:36life
- 5:37people who know you say you actually
- 5:38skate better under adversity when your
- 5:41life is going smoothly you don't skate
- 5:43as well when your life is a wreck you do
- 5:46I do skate better under pressure I like
- 5:49being the underdog I like it when nobody
- 5:51expects me to do anything and then I can
- 5:54come out and I can just walk away with
- 5:55it
- 6:01[Music]
- 6:04when I hit the ice it's my getaway
- 6:08[Music]
- 6:11are you guilty of the allegations as
- 6:14stated by your attorney I am there is no
- 6:18escaping the reality her ex-husband Jeff
- 6:20gillooly pleading guilty in the plot to
- 6:23attack Nancy Kerrigan
- 6:27telling investigators that Tonya Harding
- 6:29not only knew about the attack but gave
- 6:31the final okay whatever happens in court
- 6:35in our interview Harding began laying
- 6:37the groundwork for her defense to the
- 6:39public her version of the battered woman
- 6:41syndrome how did Jeff treat you
- 6:47is it true that he threatened to break
- 6:49your legs and end your career though
- 6:51said he'd break my legs so I couldn't do
- 6:54anything so I couldn't make money so I
- 6:56couldn't have my career my dream
- 6:58why would he do that why would he say
- 7:00something like that
- 7:03I adopted if somebody loved me they
- 7:05wouldn't say stuff like that
- 7:12today says he still loves you
- 7:15do you still love him
- 7:19why not
- 7:21because if somebody loved me they
- 7:24wouldn't do this to me
- 7:27meaning what has he done to you
- 7:37you in the Nancy Kerrigan attack
- 7:40serious
- 7:42detailed charges
- 7:45both what Jeff and Sean say is not true
- 7:49but he knows me knows it's not true does
- 7:52it hurt
- 7:53I just want to know why
- 7:57I never did anything to hurt him
- 8:00you didn't if I ever did anything it was
- 8:02to stick up for him and protect him
- 8:06and he does this to me
- 8:20it was just a few weeks ago that Tanya
- 8:23and Jeff were dealing with this together
- 8:24a familiar pattern in their on-again
- 8:26off-again marriage over the years Tanya
- 8:29has filed police reports charging Jeff
- 8:31with abuse and harassment but she later
- 8:34retracted her complaints
- 8:36then why did you stick with him
- 8:40because I thought it was the right thing
- 8:42to do how could you think it was the
- 8:43right thing to do if he was beating you
- 8:46and abusing you
- 8:48I thought I must have been doing
- 8:50something wrong
- 8:52and so I'd try even harder to be good
- 8:54you know to be nice
- 8:56ask permission to go places ask
- 8:58permission to spend money everyone says
- 9:01your independent strong-minded you say
- 9:04what you feel but didn't you fight back
- 9:06I tried once
- 9:09and it didn't work
- 9:11what happened
- 9:12I got beat up
- 9:15I have to call the police
- 9:17I had to call my friends to come and get
- 9:18me and see me like that
- 9:21but what her friends and family can't
- 9:23understand is why she kept going back I
- 9:27think for all the Skeptics who felt
- 9:29Tanya's Peak had passed I think she's
- 9:31proved she's still he's going to have
- 9:33the image that the figure skating people
- 9:35wanted me to have
- 9:38so I try really hard
- 9:41and that's one of the reasons why I went
- 9:42back because they always thought that it
- 9:44was it was stable when I was with him
- 9:49try and see me as a stable person
- 9:54but I'm not I'm more stable when I'm not
- 9:57with him
- 9:59I can skate
- 10:01[Music]
- 10:15but in the end what may keep Tanya
- 10:17Harding off the ice are her own words
- 10:19days after the attack
- 10:21I didn't do anything
- 10:30for sure anything about what's going on
- 10:31at all she later contradicted with her
- 10:35own damaging admission I am responsible
- 10:38however
- 10:40for failing
- 10:43for failing to report things
- 10:46I learned about the assault when I
- 10:48returned home from Nationals
- 10:51did you have prior knowledge of the
- 10:53planned attack on Nancy Kerrigan
- 10:56absolutely not absolutely not I know you
- 11:00can't discuss the facts of the case but
- 11:01in your statement that you read to
- 11:02reporters you said I learned that some
- 11:04persons close to me were involved in the
- 11:06assault yes why didn't you go to
- 11:09authorities immediately everything just
- 11:12happened so fast
- 11:13I just boom everything and I was like I
- 11:18was scared
- 11:19afraid of what
- 11:21being hurt by whom people
- 11:25can you say who no and now the moment
- 11:29we've all been waiting for
- 11:33please welcome back to the ice Miss
- 11:37Nancy Kerrigan
- 11:42if the attack was meant to eliminate the
- 11:45competition it backfired turning Nancy
- 11:48Kerrigan into a hero endorsements movie
- 11:50deals and the cheers of America
- 11:57Nancy Kerrigan has this image of being a
- 12:00darling princess and you have this image
- 12:04perhaps clearly from the media of being
- 12:06a bad girl
- 12:08how does that make you feel
- 12:10everybody has their
- 12:11[Music]
- 12:19therapy do you think you have tried hard
- 12:21enough to express to Nancy Kerrigan
- 12:24how you feel about this incident I feel
- 12:27really sorry
- 12:28I really do
- 12:31um I even wrote her a small letter and I
- 12:34don't know if she received it or not but
- 12:36I tried to say I was sorry
- 12:39if this all happened
- 12:41do you think it got through to her
- 12:43I don't know have you heard back from
- 12:45Nancy Kerrigan
- 12:47you may very well be practicing with
- 12:50Nancy Kerrigan on the ice is it going to
- 12:52be awkward
- 12:54I don't know the first time you see her
- 12:56do you think you're going to be nervous
- 12:58probably
- 13:02she's going to be your teammate at the
- 13:05Olympics
- 13:06and that makes it difficult don't you
- 13:09think
- 13:10I don't know
- 13:19today parting remains a member of the
- 13:21team but competing in the games is still
- 13:24a big question her 20 million dollar
- 13:26lawsuit against the U.S Olympic
- 13:28Committee is a strong signal of her
- 13:30determination to skate in lilahummer
- 13:36[Music]
- 13:41why do you believe you should be allowed
- 13:44to skate at the Olympics
- 13:46because I've worked 20 years for it
- 13:49I mean it's my dream
- 13:53and I think I deserved it
- 13:56I mean I went to Nationals and I I won
- 13:59and it looks like that's the case
- 14:02Tanya Harding has delivered her
- 14:04challenge you said in your statement I
- 14:06have done nothing to violate the
- 14:08standards of excellence and
- 14:09sportsmanship that are expected in an
- 14:11Olympic Athlete I said what I believe
- 14:15what I believe to be true
- 14:19I just go out and do the best that I can
- 14:22do the best that anyone expects me to do
- 14:26if I'm not perfect doesn't mean that you
- 14:30know I did something wrong
- 14:32what would you do if you can't skate at
- 14:34this Olympics
- 14:36I don't know
- 14:38cry
- 14:41in just a few moments Tanya Harding
- 14:43talks about what she'll do if her
- 14:45Olympic dream does come true
- 14:47have you thought about the possibility
- 14:49that if you go out and skid
- 14:51at the Olympics that you might even be
- 14:53booed
- 14:54because of this still breaking story
- 14:56we're going to postpone our report on
- 14:59the highly controversial treatment
- 15:00program for severely disabled children
- 15:02that we had scheduled for this evening
- 15:04we will bring it to you when we return
- 15:06after the Olympics but coming up the
- 15:09making of Tanya Harding a superstar on
- 15:12the edge most of my life she always told
- 15:15me I skated like crap and I think that
- 15:17that had a lot to do with
- 15:18the hate relationship that I had for her
- 15:22also emotions run high but is there
- 15:25enough hard evidence to indict Tonya
- 15:28Hardy
- 15:34an Olympic panel is judging Tanya
- 15:36Harding's ethics but the law will judge
- 15:39her innocence in the midst of
- 15:41allegations and rumors fueling this
- 15:43bizarre Scandal there's also the search
- 15:45for hard evidence
- 15:47Tanya Harding has admitted she failed to
- 15:49report what she found out about the
- 15:51attack after the fact but is there proof
- 15:54that she was actually in on it CBS News
- 15:57correspondent John Blackstone has been
- 15:58covering the story in Portland John
- 16:01Connie the criminal case that's been
- 16:03unfolding in this Portland courtroom is
- 16:05temporarily being overshadowed by all
- 16:07the other urgent legal maneuvering but
- 16:09it's here the big questions will
- 16:10ultimately be answered will Tonya
- 16:13Harding be charged and if she is will
- 16:15she be found guilty but after a month of
- 16:17Investigation arrests and confessions
- 16:19there remains a distinct lack of
- 16:22evidence actually linking Harding to the
- 16:24attack on Nancy Kerrigan and as
- 16:26incredible as it may sound what may be
- 16:28the most significant evidence yet was
- 16:30turned up by a woman named Kathy
- 16:31Peterson in the garbage behind her
- 16:34restaurant
- 16:35as I was going to one of the bags I
- 16:37found this envelope with the name of
- 16:38Jeff gillooly on it and so of course the
- 16:40piqued my curiosity and I went digging a
- 16:42little farther so far the most
- 16:44tantalizing exhibit against Harding is
- 16:47also the strangest I call the FBI with
- 16:49the things that I found and gave them
- 16:51the original things that I'd found
- 16:52behind Kathy Peterson's Dockside
- 16:55Restaurant some scribbled notes found in
- 16:57the garbage could be the Smoking Gun if
- 17:00this is Tonya Harding's handwriting the
- 17:03names and numbers found in the trash
- 17:05seem to support claims that Harding
- 17:07collected information about the Tony
- 17:08Kent Arena on Cape Cod where Kerrigan
- 17:11trains but prosecutor Norm Frank isn't
- 17:14boasting he's cracked the case well I
- 17:17mean I think it's a public record that
- 17:19there's been this envelope discovered
- 17:21and uh that it's been turned over to the
- 17:25authorities along with some other uh
- 17:27with some other material that was found
- 17:30but we can't comment on it beyond that
- 17:32but what a discovery Kathy Peterson was
- 17:35simply trying to catch the people
- 17:37dumping their trash in her dumpster
- 17:40so when I find bags that didn't come
- 17:41from my place I go through them looking
- 17:43for a name or number of someone to
- 17:44contact to let them know that you know
- 17:46this can't be done you can't be good put
- 17:48in your trash in other people's
- 17:49dumpsters if the notes are genuine their
- 17:51Discovery would seem to set some sort of
- 17:53new standard for either criminal
- 17:54stupidity or bad luck but then this case
- 17:58is littered with improbable characters
- 18:00and surprising Revelations
- 18:03[Applause]
- 18:05Sean Eckert the man who dreamed of being
- 18:08a bodyguard to the Stars saw Harding as
- 18:11his route to prominence but Eckerd seems
- 18:13to have told almost everybody he knew
- 18:15about the plot to injure Kerrigan
- 18:19and once arrested he told the FBI
- 18:22Harding helped get information about
- 18:24Kerrigan's practice schedule
- 18:26but detective Jerry spiers has his
- 18:29doubts
- 18:30the guy distorts reality I think he was
- 18:33a local local kid who wanted to be big
- 18:37time the trail from Eckert quickly led
- 18:40to Hitman Shane Stan and to the man who
- 18:43drove the getaway car Derek Smith but
- 18:46both of them have told the FBI as far as
- 18:49they know Harding was not involved
- 18:52so in what has become a game of who do
- 18:55you trust to believe Tanya Harding is
- 18:57guilty you have to trust Jeff gillooly
- 19:00his 17-hour talk with the FBI contains
- 19:03the most damning charges against Harding
- 19:05that she led the Hitman to Kerrigan
- 19:08gillooly's attorney Ron hovet says phone
- 19:11records support that afternoon Tanya
- 19:14called the Tony canarina from her home
- 19:16to determine Nancy Kerrigan's practice
- 19:19schedule that sounds a lot like the
- 19:21scribbled notes Kathy Peterson found in
- 19:24her dumpster but much of the evidence
- 19:26gillooly has provided is impossible to
- 19:28verify he claims that as he and Harding
- 19:31were driving past this freeway
- 19:33intersection on December 28th she
- 19:36approved the attack on Kerrigan saying
- 19:38let's do it
- 19:40in court this week prosecutors put the
- 19:43case on hold until Harding gets back
- 19:45from the Olympics that would seem to
- 19:47suggest that you don't really have the
- 19:48goods on her I you know we're not going
- 19:51to characterize the state of the
- 19:52evidence or or anything like that and uh
- 19:56it uh I think a lot of people have drawn
- 19:59a lot of erroneous conclusions from a
- 20:01lot of things in this whole affair
- 20:04Luli who pleaded guilty in this
- 20:06courtroom seems determined not only to
- 20:08see his former wife prosecuted but to
- 20:10end her Olympic career he quickly
- 20:12offered to go to Norway to testify
- 20:14against Hardy before the Olympic
- 20:16Committee but with all the other legal
- 20:17Maneuvers now going on the Olympic
- 20:20Committee seems less than anxious to
- 20:21talk to gillooly Connie thank you John
- 20:24Blackstone her skating may look Flawless
- 20:27but Tanya Harding has already taken
- 20:29enough personal spills to last a
- 20:31lifetime at 23 she has split several
- 20:34times from her ex-husband Jeff gillooly
- 20:37her relationship with her mother who has
- 20:39had five husbands has been just as
- 20:41tempestuous tonight as we go eye to eye
- 20:44with Tanya Harding the skater looks
- 20:46ahead to the Olympics and back at the
- 20:49road that has brought her so close
- 20:51knowing that there's some really good
- 20:53skaters who are going to be at the
- 20:55Olympics what's going through your head
- 20:57I think I have a little bit of an edge
- 20:58over them because I've already been to
- 21:01an Olympics
- 21:02I know what to expect
- 21:0420 years in the skating business it's a
- 21:08long time
- 21:14Tanya Harding says it will be her final
- 21:17appearance as an amateur if you are
- 21:19allowed to skate at the Olympics do you
- 21:21think that you'll be judged fairly
- 21:23that's all I want
- 21:24I just want to go to Olympics and be
- 21:26able to skate and be you know treated
- 21:29fairly be judged fairly have you thought
- 21:32about the possibility that if you go out
- 21:34and skate
- 21:36on the ice at the Olympics that you
- 21:37might even be booed no I don't even
- 21:40think about that
- 21:42the most important thing to me is just
- 21:44going and being able to skate and follow
- 21:46through with my dream it's a dream that
- 21:48began years ago Tanya Harding was
- 21:51different and she knew it Tanya do you
- 21:54remember the first time you put on a
- 21:55pair of skates my parents and I were at
- 21:57Lloyd Center and it's a mall and we were
- 21:59shopping and I was three years old and I
- 22:03looked over and was watching the kids
- 22:05skate and I said I wanted to do that and
- 22:08they said no no you can't do that so I
- 22:10just started bawling my eyes out and
- 22:12finally they they kind of let in and
- 22:14said okay and I used to kick the ice and
- 22:16stuff like that so I could eat it but it
- 22:20was pretty cool I really liked it and I
- 22:22told my mom and dad that I wanted to do
- 22:24it again and they thought you know when
- 22:26you're three years old you don't know
- 22:27what you want and but you know here I am
- 22:29today 20 years later where do you get
- 22:32that drive and that determination to be
- 22:36challenged if somebody says you can't do
- 22:38it then you say I'm gonna knock it out
- 22:40of the ballpark watch me that's just me
- 22:43I'm very motivated by people who tell me
- 22:47I can't do something all my life people
- 22:49have never believed in me
- 22:51every time I'd get her off the Rings and
- 22:53stick her tongue out at me and say I'm
- 22:55not coming off her mother Sandy golden
- 22:57knew it too and talked to us about it
- 22:59there was a few times I had to get
- 23:01rental skates go out on the ice get her
- 23:04off of the ice so that I could go to
- 23:05home and go to work life was not really
- 23:08easy growing up I didn't have a lot of
- 23:10money
- 23:11um
- 23:12my parents and I we used to go around
- 23:15and pick up bottles and cans to help pay
- 23:18for ice time and stuff like that
- 23:19sometimes She chased cans of bottles up
- 23:21and down the roads
- 23:23between Portland and Estacada
- 23:28so she worked hard for her
- 23:30what she got
- 23:32and I think she deserved every bit of it
- 23:34Al Harding says his daughter was
- 23:36determined to succeed determined even
- 23:39though there was practically no money
- 23:40did you feel badly about that when you
- 23:43were growing up and different I felt
- 23:46different I didn't have very many
- 23:48friends I maybe had one friend
- 23:50when I was a child we moved basically 13
- 23:53times before I was the age of 16.
- 23:55and so I wasn't around too many schools
- 23:58for very long
- 24:00my mom didn't want me to have a lot of
- 24:02friends because she thought it would be
- 24:03disruptive
- 24:04and so I never got to stay the night at
- 24:08anybody's house you know go to
- 24:10um
- 24:11slumber parties or dances or anything
- 24:14really you weren't allowed
- 24:18because your mother wouldn't allow you
- 24:19to
- 24:24[Music]
- 24:29pattern had developed a turn of tight
- 24:32control by Tanya's mother a pattern
- 24:34Tanya says of abuse was she abusive to
- 24:37you verbally and physically yeah
- 24:41what exactly did she do did she did she
- 24:43actually beat you yeah sometimes
- 24:53when you were little I don't know
- 24:56it's just something I've dealt with all
- 24:58my life I figured well if my mom hits me
- 25:01it doesn't matter because she loves me
- 25:03that's what I always thought
- 25:05and so you know all my life that's the
- 25:08way I've thought if somebody hits me you
- 25:10know
- 25:11doesn't mean anything and you know they
- 25:13love me
- 25:14I wouldn't call myself an abusive mother
- 25:17not abusive ever
- 25:20corrective
- 25:21Maybe
- 25:24some people I guess can say that
- 25:29there's a lot of people out there no
- 25:30different well we had problems that they
- 25:34weren't that big of problems well we've
- 25:37managed to
- 25:38get them straightened out
- 25:40about all anybody can do
- 25:43even though that turbulence seems far
- 25:45behind her Tanya Harding is taking an
- 25:48unconventional step she said she wants a
- 25:50new family close friends David Weber his
- 25:53wife and their daughter Stephanie I
- 25:56believe now that I have a real family
- 25:58Stephanie's parents are going to adopt
- 26:02me soon really and so I can have a real
- 26:04family and a real sister and brothers
- 26:07and I mean it's wonderful I mean I've
- 26:10never had anything like that is that
- 26:11something you've always wanted yeah I've
- 26:14always wanted to have a family I always
- 26:16went into somebody to love me for me but
- 26:18don't you think your father loves you
- 26:19for you yeah I do he says is this going
- 26:23to hurt him at all you know because
- 26:26we're all kind of all big one happy
- 26:27family and what about your mother
- 26:30I don't see my mother that very much you
- 26:33know she comes to the rank and sees me
- 26:34skate but that's about it
- 26:39while there are closer now but they see
- 26:41each other in public places they are
- 26:43rarely together they rarely talk
- 26:46are you a little better up here if you
- 26:48don't have to see her that much I'm a
- 26:51little better if she doesn't put me down
- 26:52I mean you know right recently she's
- 26:55been really good and she says that you
- 26:57know I look good and I'm skating great
- 26:59and but most of my life she always told
- 27:02me I skated like crap I was too fat I
- 27:05never I'm never gonna win I'm never
- 27:07going to beat these people I'm never
- 27:08going to do anything
- 27:10and so it was really hard
- 27:12and I think that that had a lot to do
- 27:14with the hate relationship that I had
- 27:16for her
- 27:18but memories especially childhood ones
- 27:20are sometimes bad ones Tanya Harding
- 27:23remembers her mother wanting her to quit
- 27:26did your parents want you to escape
- 27:28most of the time my dad was mostly
- 27:30always behind me he says whatever you
- 27:32want to do but there was a lot of times
- 27:34my mom wanted me to quit
- 27:36and I don't know why I don't I just
- 27:39think maybe she didn't want me to be in
- 27:42the Limelight or anything matter of fact
- 27:44I even bought her a horse trying to get
- 27:46her out of skating you bought her a
- 27:48horse yeah a little pony
- 27:51trying to get her out of skating she
- 27:53took the pony and she says now I can
- 27:55have a pony and skate too and she was
- 27:57just tickled pink
- 27:59then
- 28:01it turned out she couldn't give up
- 28:02skating and I couldn't have both so we
- 28:05had to sell the horse
- 28:08[Music]
- 28:12ticket out
- 28:16he says that's not all she wants out of
- 28:18life it if you are not allowed to skate
- 28:20at the Olympics it is because of an ugly
- 28:23incident
- 28:25can you live with that now I hope that I
- 28:27can go on
- 28:30I have to
- 28:32I can't let this ruin me
- 28:36work too hard too long
- 28:3920 years
- 28:42you know I just want to have a good life
- 28:44for myself and maybe someday a family
- 28:49I just want to not have to worry
- 28:52I don't want it to be the same when I
- 28:54was growing up for my children
- 29:02you know
- 29:05and what is that lesson
- 29:11to respect
- 29:14you want to do
- 29:16I mean in guidelines
- 29:18but
- 29:19to basically to respect them
- 29:24and I know that I will respect them
- 29:27because I know I didn't get it
- 29:32this interview was obviously Tonya
- 29:34Harding's attempt to make her case to
- 29:35the American public both she and Nancy
- 29:38Kerrigan stand to make big money from
- 29:40book movie or television deals Harding
- 29:42says she intends to use some of the
- 29:44money she receives from her current
- 29:46notoriety to set up a trust for Special
- 29:48Olympics children
- 29:50later Tanya Harding makes her fans a
- 29:52promise an Olympic promise but next wait
- 29:56till you hear what the rest of the world
- 29:57thinks of Tanya
- 30:01[Music]
- 30:11the Olympics don't get underway until
- 30:13Saturday but little Hammer is already
- 30:16buzzing with the one topic that's on
- 30:18everyone's mind whatever Olympic
- 30:20officials decide about whether she's
- 30:22allowed to skate Tanya Harding has the
- 30:24dubious honor of being the most infamous
- 30:26athlete in this year's Olympics 48 Hours
- 30:29correspondent Susan Spencer is in the
- 30:31center of the action Susan
- 30:33Connie lillahammer and everybody in
- 30:35little Hammer just wants to know one
- 30:37thing about this whole issue and that is
- 30:40the truth the whole truth then they can
- 30:42figure out what if anything the U.S
- 30:44Olympic Committee ought to do about it
- 30:50[Music]
- 30:55swirling in the list of the biggest
- 30:57controversy ever to hit the sport but
- 31:00Olympic skaters here are trying to hold
- 31:02concentration act as if they've never
- 31:05heard of Tonya Harding
- 31:08figure skating pairs practiced this
- 31:10morning at the same Hammer rink where
- 31:12Harding hopes to redeem a reputation
- 31:14personal and professional if the United
- 31:17States Olympic Committee gives her a
- 31:19chance but some like check skater Radka
- 31:22cavara kova already have made up their
- 31:25minds I think she should not Escape
- 31:27Tonya knew about who did it
- 31:30before the policemen found out who did
- 31:33it
- 31:33with little Hammer gearing up for the
- 31:36big day there are very few in this
- 31:38picturesque little town without an
- 31:40opinion thank you and thousands of
- 31:43journalists here are feeding the frenzy
- 31:45worldwide often at the expense of
- 31:48reporting on their own country's
- 31:49athletes
- 31:51the Japanese always big on personal
- 31:54responsibility see mystified that
- 31:56Harding hasn't publicly apologized for
- 31:59what happened most of the feeding of the
- 32:02Japanese people is she is guilty do you
- 32:05think that this story has gotten too
- 32:07much coverage I don't think so this
- 32:09story is universal
- 32:11[Music]
- 32:13the French have a skater of their own
- 32:15who's considered a favorite no matter
- 32:17French channels two and three have
- 32:20devoted as much time to Harding and
- 32:22Kerrigan as they have to her in front
- 32:25they don't know why they're they're two
- 32:28two girls very beautiful girl and why
- 32:31the violence is present in the in in the
- 32:34in the sport and into skating it's like
- 32:36Days of Our Lives on ice and then there
- 32:38are the Australians I don't think
- 32:40Australians can resist a good story and
- 32:42this is a hell of a story The
- 32:44Sensational assault case that has since
- 32:46rocked the sport so it's been on every
- 32:49night it is after all the Aussies say
- 32:51the best soap opera America is exported
- 32:54in a long time you the elements of sex
- 32:57and glamor and the possible crime and
- 32:59even possible retribution at the
- 33:01Olympics retribution at the Olympics
- 33:03well if they both skate the result says
- 33:05it doesn't it who was meant to be here
- 33:07who wasn't meant to be here more to the
- 33:09point right now who will be here though
- 33:12the skaters didn't show up for practice
- 33:14today all the names were up there on the
- 33:17board and the inside betting is that in
- 33:19the end Tonya Harding will skate on this
- 33:22ice but Harvey Schiller the executive
- 33:25director of the U.S Olympic Committee
- 33:26notes that the rules still require All
- 33:29American athletes to stick to the
- 33:31Olympic code of conduct so what does
- 33:34that mean in this case we're facing some
- 33:36things that take us beyond the
- 33:38boundaries of sport you know most people
- 33:39like sport because it has a winner and
- 33:42loser usually a few ties here and there
- 33:43but this is going to go on well into the
- 33:45future and there's certainly precedent
- 33:47for conduct issues and other things to
- 33:49be
- 33:50an imposing array of 1 000 athletes
- 33:53takes the Olympic gold actually Olympic
- 33:55precedents are pretty confusing in 1924
- 33:59Marksman William silkworth competed in
- 34:01Paris although he was under indictment
- 34:04for fraud he won Gold and later was
- 34:07convicted
- 34:08but in 1936 officials threw backstroke
- 34:11gold medalist Eleanor Holm Whalen off
- 34:13the team for too much partying what
- 34:16about the story of your drinking
- 34:18champagne I did drink some champagne
- 34:21because I liked it more recently
- 34:23Sprinter and 1988 silver medalist Butch
- 34:26Reynolds was suspended after he tested
- 34:28positive for drugs
- 34:32he successfully sued the international
- 34:34amateur athletic Federation and won 27
- 34:38million dollars
- 34:40but never before has there been a case
- 34:42where one athlete is accused of
- 34:44involvement in a direct attack on
- 34:46another
- 34:48and here in Lillehammer consumed at the
- 34:51moment with Goodwill and Olympic
- 34:52idealism with fair play and
- 34:55sportsmanship that's all many people
- 34:57need to know people shouldn't hurt each
- 35:00other
- 35:01to get a place on the Olympic Games it's
- 35:04not a very nice thing to do is it you
- 35:06think she should be able to skate
- 35:09no I don't think so you don't why not
- 35:12because I think she has something to do
- 35:16with the case Harding uh
- 35:19but Harding also has Defenders even here
- 35:23but as long as people don't know for
- 35:25sure if she's done this we 've come here
- 35:28to the longer
- 35:30[Applause]
- 35:32back at the rink where a gold can mean
- 35:34honor and glory and millions of dollars
- 35:37there's an undercurrent of concern Tonya
- 35:40Harding arrives soon and is even slated
- 35:43to practice at the same time and place
- 35:45as rival Nancy Kerrigan I think
- 35:48everybody will be careful about her
- 35:50because
- 35:52we want to know if she was involved or
- 35:54no so I think I'll be careful but to
- 35:57tell her but you know what do you mean
- 35:59you'll be careful you know like it will
- 36:02not be like it used to be talking to her
- 36:05because you don't know because I don't
- 36:08know
- 36:09it is Connie a very strange environment
- 36:12for what are usually those inspiring
- 36:14words let the games begin there's a
- 36:17sense about this to just let this part
- 36:19of the games be over with Connie thank
- 36:22you Susan Spencer
- 36:24Nancy Kerrigan arrived in Norway this
- 36:26morning and didn't waste any time
- 36:27getting outfitted for her team jacket
- 36:29and getting her Olympic credentials and
- 36:32thirteen-year-old Michelle Kwan who
- 36:34placed second in the Olympic trials and
- 36:36wound up his first alternate when
- 36:37Kerrigan was selected was practicing as
- 36:40usual and like Arrowhead California the
- 36:4388 pound Wonder may be leaving for
- 36:45Norway this weekend but she cannot live
- 36:47or practice with the team
- 36:49what does the country think about all of
- 36:51this a CBS News poll shows most
- 36:53Americans think if Tonya Harding is not
- 36:56charged with a crime she should be
- 36:58allowed to skate in the Olympics but do
- 37:01they believe her story that she was not
- 37:03involved in the plot against Nancy
- 37:04Kerrigan nearly two-thirds say she is
- 37:07lying
- 37:08still ahead Tonya Harding's final words
- 37:11and when we come back Johnson Whitaker
- 37:14was a black Cadet at West Point the
- 37:16trouble is he was the only black Cadet
- 37:20thank you
- 37:23finally we've heard a lot from Tanya
- 37:26Harding tonight but to really understand
- 37:28her you have to understand how much she
- 37:30really wants the dream she's worked for
- 37:32since she was three and no matter how
- 37:35bad this nightmare is she still truly
- 37:37believes when the U.S Olympic skating
- 37:39team takes the ice she will be there
- 37:42I'm sure that everyone can expect the
- 37:44triple axel because it's you know going
- 37:47to be one of my last competitions
- 37:50and I want to end it at my Peak top form
- 37:54and that will be with triple Axel I want
- 37:57it to be a perfect program
- 37:59it's at the perfect spot you know
- 38:01Olympics is the perfect place to do it
- 38:03be able to try and be perfect sound
- 38:05pretty darn determined
- 38:07I can do it and I will do it people
- 38:11haven't seen it for a couple of years
- 38:13so I'm gonna go out with a bang
- 38:17thanks for joining us tonight we'll see
- 38:19eye to eye again three weeks from
- 38:21tonight after the Olympics and I'll see
- 38:23you again tomorrow night with Dan Rather
- 38:25on the CBS Evening News good night
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