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3:312001.
3:33a young man not even 30 years of age
3:35named Scott Ponder decided to start up
3:38his own business
3:40Scott was a very passionate motorcycle
3:42enthusiast
3:44so he took his love and knowledge of
3:46motorcycles and decided to open up a
3:49motorcycle and power sports dealership
3:51called Superbike Motorsports in Chesney
3:54South Carolina
3:56Scott's best friend Brian Lucas was
3:58hired as the first employee of Superbike
4:01Brian shared the same enthusiasm for all
4:04things two-wheeled and Brian had the
4:06skills to service and repair motorbikes
4:10so Brian became the Shop's service
4:12manager
4:13the store became a quick success
4:17Scott used the internet to increase his
4:20customer base and boost sales and
4:22Superbikes saw more than one million in
4:24sales in the store's first year
4:29Scott's mom Beverly guy became a helpful
4:31hand at her son's business
4:33often times she would run errands for
4:35her son's store and Scott enjoyed having
4:38her around the shop so he hired her as
4:40the company's bookkeeper
4:43in 2002 the business saw continued
4:46success
4:47in 2003 a superbike's business increased
4:51so would the employee roster
4:53Scott and Brian hired a skilled young
4:55man named Chris Schubert to be a
4:57mechanic
5:00Superbike Motorsports really had become
5:02the place to go for all things
5:03Motorsports
5:05so people would go into the store to
5:07make purchases seek expert advice or
5:10sometimes just hang out and talk shop
5:14on Thursday November 6 2003 Noel Lee a
5:19regular at Superbike and close friend of
5:21Scott Ponders called the store at 2 30
5:24pm to tell Ponder's mother Beverly that
5:27he was coming there to drop off some
5:29tickets to a motorcycle race that would
5:31be held the next night at the Buy Low
5:33Center
5:34no plan to go with Ponder and Lucas
5:37Beverly told Noel that they would be at
5:39the shop and to go ahead and drop in
5:42Noel took a shower and then left his
5:44house and he arrived at Superbike around
5:473 pm
5:48Noel pulled into the parking lot and he
5:51saw his friend Brian Lucas lying face up
5:53in the front entrance of the shop
5:56Knoll parked his BMW next to Beverly's
5:59car
6:00when he got out of his vehicle he
6:01noticed Scott Ponder's body
6:04Scott's body was in a puddle of blood
6:06his head on the pavement his body
6:09partially on the concrete sidewalk and
6:12partially under his mother's car Brian
6:14Lucas's body was propping the shattered
6:16glass door open Knoll stepped over his
6:19friend's body and ran inside the shop
6:21and over to the telephone on the parts
6:24counter
6:25he called 9-1-1
6:28at the same time Knoll is yelling to
6:30Brian and Scott telling them that he was
6:32getting them some help
6:34while Noel was on the phone with the 911
6:37operator he saw Scott's mother Beverly
6:40she was laying on the floor just outside
6:43the bathroom of the large showroom
6:46which was located in the middle of the
6:48Superbike store
6:50she was not moving and there was blood
6:52around her
6:54Knoll told the operator that there
6:56should be a fourth person Chris Sherbert
6:59somewhere in the store
7:01but he was advised not to go wandering
7:04around the store the operator told Noel
7:06for his own safety he needed to go
7:09outside
7:11the police and paramedics are on their
7:13way to Superbike and you need to get out
7:15of the store
7:18the minutes he waited outside were long
7:20ones as help arrived Lee sat across the
7:23street in the grass trying to convince
7:25himself that everything he had just
7:27experienced was not real and that his
7:30friends were still alive
7:32when paramedics and police arrived they
7:35found Scott Bryan and Beverly
7:37all were dead upon arrival
7:40they found Chris sherberg in the very
7:42back of the store he had been shot once
7:45in the head and was slumped over a
7:47motorcycle that he had been working on
7:50in that short time between the time null
7:53had called the store and arrived at the
7:56store all hell had broken loose because
7:59sometime between 2 30 pm and 3 P.M on
8:03that Thursday in November
8:04someone had walked into the superbike
8:07Motorsports store and shot the owner his
8:10mother and both employees in the head
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8:51the crime became known as the super bike
8:54murders and it seemed as senseless as it
8:57was cold-blooded
8:59nothing was taken from the store this
9:01was not a robbery in fact an envelope of
9:04cash was lying it was left lying in
9:07plain sight police searched for leads
9:10and they pursued a variety of theories
9:12Sheriff Bill Coffey and his
9:15investigators they interviewed dozens of
9:17people and they followed dozens of tips
9:20within the weeks that followed but
9:22before we get into some of those leads
9:24Captain I want to talk about a few
9:26strange things here that that were right
9:28out of the gate with this case so just
9:31days after the superbike murders law
9:34enforcement they're on record stating
9:36that there were some similarities to
9:38another crime that had occurred that
9:40same year this is the May 2003 triple
9:44homicide that took place at Blue Ridge
9:47Savings Bank both locations were
9:51somewhat isolated
9:52and the the investigators thought that
9:55the attacks did not appear to be random
9:58now both of these attacks involve some
10:01execution-style shootings which resulted
10:03in multiple homicides so they're stating
10:06that we're seeing some similarities here
10:08as to what we saw with the superbike
10:11murders
10:12now at this Bank uh in May of 2003 at
10:15the Blue Ridge Bank the bank teller
10:18Sylvia hozclaw she was killed along with
10:22two customers James and Margaret Burns
10:24were both killed in that incident the
10:27thing that seems strange to me Captain
10:28is that they come out right at the gate
10:30saying that we think that there's some
10:32similarities here the big problem for me
10:35is immediately there's one very
10:38different issue is that the bank that
10:42absolutely was a robbery right it was a
10:45takeover yeah and the the super bike
10:47situation we we see money left in plain
10:50sight and this was a very successful
10:53business this Superbike Motorsports and
10:55think about it they're selling High
10:57ticket items you know motorcycles are
10:59not cheap you know you don't just walk
11:01in there and pay 50 bucks and walk out
11:02of there with a motorcycle that'd be
11:04awesome if you did I would have I would
11:07have at least three
11:10but another strange thing in this camp
11:12that I find to be very strange is that
11:15Scott Ponder he's the uh young man that
11:18owned the super bike store he's the son
11:21of William Dean Ponder and now William
11:24Dean Ponder is a man that went missing
11:2613 years before Scott was killed at his
11:29store now there's no evidence to suggest
11:32that these cases are anyway connected at
11:35all according to uh investigators but
11:39just to give you a quick rundown of that
11:41scenario of of his father's situation
11:45that was way back in August of 1993
11:48where William Dean Ponder spent the
11:51evening with friends at a place called
11:53Jay's Tavern this was pretty close to
11:55his home his friends stated that they
11:57dropped him off at the Martin feed mill
12:00at the intersection of Paris Bridge Road
12:03and Martin Camp Road now the man was
12:06never seen or heard from again
12:08William's father was the one that
12:10reported him missing uh reported him
12:13missing on September 2nd now William I
12:15guess had a criminal record which dated
12:17back to 1976 and included charges for
12:21drug and alcohol offenses property
12:24crimes and weapons violations well it's
12:27possible that the law enforcement knew
12:29more about money possibly and so maybe
12:32when they say it's similar to the bank
12:34takeover is there some kind of money
12:37that was taken that they didn't know
12:38about or was the attacker for forced to
12:41flee the building before he could he or
12:44she or they could make off with whatever
12:46they intended to to get from the store
12:48right
12:50um regarding his father William was
12:53released from prison just two months
12:55before his disappearance and I guess
12:57Foul Play is a strong suspicion in that
13:01case because in 2006 a former
13:03acquaintance of Williams told police
13:06that William had in fact been murdered
13:09he has been declared legally dead but
13:12his remains to this date have never been
13:15found I wanted to make sure that we
13:17brought that up because that is a
13:18strange thing that that you find when
13:20you first start looking at these
13:21Superbike murders you're like wait a
13:23second oh my God this guy's father has
13:26disappeared you almost feel like there's
13:28something somebody uh working and
13:31plotting against the family but as we
13:33said investigators state that they don't
13:35see any connection between the two
13:38crimes now back to the leads that we
13:40discussed now Scott Ponder was a bright
13:43young businessman we said that his young
13:45business was was very successful over a
13:48million dollars in sales its first year
13:50so of course Superbike Motorsports was
13:52located on a road and situated in town
13:55where a lot of vehicles are going to
13:57drive past this business during the
14:00course of of a daily you know everyone's
14:02daily routines so the first leads by law
14:05enforcement were that there was three
14:07cars that were seen at Super bikes that
14:09day and the sheriff's department they
14:11started working with a Graphics Company
14:13to draw up computerized Composites of
14:16the vehicles that were seen at the shop
14:17on that fateful day now the vehicles
14:20that were seen at the shop earlier in
14:22the day are described as follows the
14:24first was was believed to possibly be an
14:27early 90s small red Chevy Cavalier or
14:31possibly a Honda Civic with a boxy rear
14:35and then the other vehicle seen was a
14:38late model Chevrolet
14:39Z71 pick pickup truck
14:42described as a medium blue with factory
14:45wheels and chrome exhaust and chrome bed
14:48rails and here's a very good detailed
14:51item regarding the truck the truck had a
14:5345 Day South Carolina tag on the back
14:57now when the sheriff released this
15:00information to the public he was smart
15:03to remind all of us that you know
15:05someone with a truck matching this
15:07description or if you see one call it in
15:10do not dismiss a truck of this
15:12description simply because it no longer
15:14has the 45-day tag on the back those
15:17things expire and could be switched out
15:20it really at any time now the Third
15:22vehicle Captain was a sporty small light
15:25blue pickup truck make and model unknown
15:29there was another lead and this lead was
15:32a man and a woman were seen near the
15:34dealership around the time of the
15:36murders and then shortly again after the
15:39murders both were known drug users with
15:42Shady reputations it took some time but
15:45police were able to track these two down
15:47and it turns out that the lead fizzled
15:49out pretty quickly they were cleared of
15:51having any involvement plus you have to
15:55wonder too if two addicts were went into
15:58this place looking for money committed
16:00the crime why did they leave such a
16:01large amount of cash behind and not take
16:03anything
16:04now in the weeks that followed the
16:06massacre Noel Lee remember he's the man
16:08that that arrived at Superbike store
16:10only to find his friends had been killed
16:13well he says that he didn't have time to
16:15grieve for his friends instead he found
16:17himself under the scrutinizing eye of
16:20homicide detectives well he was the last
16:23one to call the shop he found them and
16:26he has no alibi before that time that he
16:29showed up to the shop yeah and I guess
16:31technically you know we're we're going
16:33off of what he says he found and so
16:36technically he has no alibi for his time
16:38at the shop as well one thing that's
16:40very strange with this guy
16:43um is he had a cell phone on him and
16:46that that called into question a lot of
16:48his actions because police were
16:50immediately like well if you saw your
16:52two friends murdered right out in front
16:54of the shop the danger could still be in
16:57the shop the killer could still be in
16:59there right why would you why would you
17:03practically leap over the body body of
17:05your friend run into the store and use
17:08the store's phone to call 9-1-1
17:10now he stated simply this that when he
17:14saw his friends killed in the parking
17:16lot he just kind of forgot like you know
17:19what I mean like nothing really made
17:20sense to him he kind of forgot
17:21everything he was I think he immediately
17:23went into shock and just kind of went on
17:25instincts at that point well fight or
17:28flight right and he he for some whatever
17:31reason just kind of shot into the store
17:33and picked up the phone of the store but
17:36at least he called 9-1-1 the tricky
17:38thing too is that he tells the 9-1-1
17:40operator after he sees you know he
17:43didn't see Beverly guy killed until he
17:46was on the phone with the operator
17:48and at some point well he didn't see her
17:50dead right
17:51and at some point he tells the operator
17:54this and then says you know there should
17:56be a fourth person in the building the
17:59operator tells him well you need to get
18:01out of the building to which he does you
18:03know he follows the direction of the
18:05operator again because he was in shock
18:07now somebody's telling him hey you
18:09probably should be outside and he's like
18:11oh yeah and I think that probably makes
18:13more sense I think that the
18:15investigators found it pretty curious
18:16that he happened to know that there were
18:19four people in the store and four people
18:21were ultimately found dead there but
18:23like we said he was a regular he he was
18:26good friends with Brian good friends
18:28with Scott and he would have known what
18:31was going on at the store he would have
18:32had a good idea hey there's any time the
18:35stores open there's four people here
18:36right when it's like back in the day
18:38when I talked guitar lessons I mean
18:40people would come into the store they
18:41would never see me there I was in the
18:43back room teaching guitar lessons but
18:46regular customers that came in once a
18:49week or twice a week they knew what days
18:51I was there on so if something happened
18:53at the store they'd easily be able to
18:55say there was probably a teacher in the
18:57back you know I know he's there you know
18:59Monday through Thursday or whatever so
19:02the the fact that they find that
19:04suspicious I mean this guy is dropping
19:06off tickets to them
19:08you see what I mean like it seems like
19:10he has a closer relationship than just
19:12customer
19:13um store relationship well I'm glad you
19:17bring that up because I don't know that
19:18everybody will fully identify with how
19:22these kind of stores run you know so
19:24this whole this this whole business is
19:26based off of a hobby and some people
19:29people that are into Motorsports people
19:30that are into guitars and music right
19:33they're usually pretty hardcore about
19:35those Hobbies so those are serious
19:37time-consuming hobbies that are
19:39expensive expensive as well and you know
19:41this from working at the guitar store
19:43that people sometimes would drop in just
19:46to kill time oh yeah we had regular
19:48customers that would probably show up
19:50like I said once or twice a week and
19:53then sometimes they're not there to buy
19:54anything sometimes it's just part of
19:56their routine it's become part of their
19:58weekly deal where they're like I got an
20:00extra hour and a half I'm gonna drop by
20:02this the guitar shop see if they got
20:03anything new in see what see what the
20:05captain's up to you know just kind of
20:07shoot the [ __ ] so to speak is what a lot
20:09of them do come in and talk shop yeah
20:11and then if you didn't see them for a
20:13couple weeks when they came in the first
20:14thing you said Is Where Have You Been
20:16yeah oh you know I just got busy and
20:19they'd always say but every week if they
20:21came and uh if they came in on a Monday
20:22they'd say hey got anything new in they
20:25came in two days later you got anything
20:27new in and that was just but half the
20:29time you won't even talk about guitar
20:30you should just kind of talk about life
20:32or whatever it was like hanging out with
20:34your music buddies well Noel Lee the man
20:37that arrived at the super bike to find
20:38his friends murdered they fingerprinted
20:41him they dusted his car he submitted to
20:44a lie detector test he sat through hours
20:47and hours and hours of questioning and
20:50it took quite a bit of time and quite a
20:51bit of work on law enforcement's part
20:54but at some point law enforcement they
20:56say that Noel Lee he was eventually
20:58cleared by the police I don't know the
21:01details of them clearing him but that's
21:03their statement to the public this guy
21:05didn't have anything to do with the
21:07murders of these four people
21:08now this is tragic of course these four
21:11good people they are killed and as I
21:14said before
21:15I understand why he was a suspect in
21:18fact I I would have some strong thoughts
21:20about his story as well I have read and
21:23seen many interviews with this guy
21:24though captain and and I hope Noel has
21:27fully recovered from this by this point
21:29in time but there is no doubt in my mind
21:32if you see this guy in interviews and
21:34you read his words this guy suffered
21:37from some serious PTSD from from this
21:41incident yeah well these these were his
21:42friends yeah you know so like I said he
21:45was stopping by to drop off tickets to
21:48event I mean like I said that goes
21:50beyond customer store relationship this
21:53was their friend and yes you have to
21:56look at him because he is the one that
21:57found them but I don't think his story
22:00is odd I don't think his story is so odd
22:03that makes you have to look at him I
22:04think you just have to look at him
22:05because he was the one that was there
22:07and found them and called 9-1-1 and you
22:10have to at least rule him out or in as a
22:13suspect now it took more than a month
22:16for detectives to track down a very
22:18important witness but they were able to
22:20interview possibly the last person other
22:23than the killer or Killers to see the
22:26four victims alive this was a customer
22:28who was in the shop just minutes before
22:30the shooting this is a man by the name
22:33of Kelly Sisk this witness told the
22:36sheriff's department that he saw a man
22:38in the dealership when he was in there
22:39and he recalled how the unknown man in
22:43the shop had inquired about a specific
22:45motorcycle and spoke as if he had little
22:48to no knowledge about bikes
22:51so much so that the so much so that the
22:54customer found this guy's Behavior to be
22:57strange and off-putting like to the
22:59point where even it
23:01even if nothing else would have happened
23:03that day he made a mental note of this
23:05dude because the conversation was weird
23:07now Kelly Sisk was in there simply to
23:10pay a payment his son had some type of I
23:14don't know if it was like an ATV or a
23:15quad or something like that but he had
23:17some kind of recreational vehicle that
23:18they had purchased there and he said you
23:20know once once a month I would drop by
23:22and make a payment on that
23:24but I would also you know if I went in
23:26to make a payment I would be in there
23:27for a half an hour to 45 minutes because
23:29I'm looking at the bikes I'm talking
23:31shop this guy comes in he's talking
23:33doesn't know what he's talking about
23:35and then I leave
23:38and then the place is shot up later
23:40right the weird thing too is they
23:42brought Kelly
23:44back to the dealership after the murders
23:48took place and I don't know how many
23:49days afterwards this was
23:51but they were walking him through the
23:55store and they wanted him to point out
23:57anything to them that that looked
24:00different
24:01then when he was last in the store what
24:04what was different about this store from
24:05the time that you left to now after
24:08these murders have happened
24:10and he stated he told the detectives
24:12that you know the bike that that guy was
24:14talking to the store owner about it was
24:18a black motorcycle he said
24:21he found when they walked him through it
24:23he they found that bike in the back of
24:25the store he said no when I was in here
24:28this guy was talking to him about this
24:30bike and it was in the showroom
24:32so sometime between Kelly Sisk leaving
24:34the store that bike had made its way
24:37from the showroom to the back of the
24:39store so I think this shows us that
24:41we're working with a pretty good lead a
24:43really good tip here and this produced a
24:45description and a sketch of this
24:47off-putting man the description was a of
24:50a white man 25 to 40 years of age
24:53approximately six foot tall 175 to 200
24:57pounds with dark brown feathered hair
25:00let's get right back to this after this
25:02quick beer break
25:03[Music]
25:12thank you
25:20[Music]
25:23all right we're back Cheers Cheers now
25:27as one would expect the detectives
25:28looked into the lives of the victims to
25:31try to find a reason someone would want
25:33to kill them Brian Scott and Beverly did
25:37not seem to have any bad blood between
25:39them or anyone else now of course police
25:42always examine the victim's families as
25:45well and close friends and Melissa
25:47Ponder this is Scott's wife she would be
25:49no exception so of course she is called
25:52into the station on several occasions in
25:55the months that followed the murders
25:56during one visit to the police station
25:59Melissa changed her baby's diaper during
26:02this visit the police unbeknownst to
26:05Melissa kept the diaper and after
26:07Melissa you know after Melissa had
26:09thrown it away They confiscated this
26:11thing okay so this diapers taken by the
26:14police and it's later sent to to a lab
26:17to test the DNA DNA samples had been
26:20collected from all four victims at the
26:23murder scene upon running the sample
26:26from the diaper against that of samples
26:28collected at the Superbike store right
26:31police determined that Scott was not
26:33actually the father of this baby what in
26:37fact the test results said that Brian
26:39Scott's close friend and employee was
26:42the baby's father so this is a huge
26:46issue for any number of reasons not to
26:49mention Brian was married as well
26:52they confronted the police confronted
26:55Melissa with this information and she
26:57flatly denied the possibility that
27:00anyone that anyone other than Scott was
27:02the father of her baby
27:05so she requested that they do a second
27:07DNA test that a second test be done
27:11well they did and for a second time the
27:13test came back with the same results
27:15saying Brian was the father not Scott
27:19okay so does she still deny it well
27:23there's there's a little more to this
27:26story because at that point Melissa
27:29decides to quit speaking with police
27:32about the case and she's not willing she
27:36she will talk with them but at this
27:38point she lawyers up and she's not
27:40talking with them unless the lawyer is
27:42present and often the lawyer is
27:44recommending that she do not speak to
27:46them at all
27:47right now people everywhere they started
27:51to think that Melissa obviously had
27:54something to do with these murders right
27:56now it took roughly
27:59and I say I say roughly but as it comes
28:02as as the words come out of my mouth I
28:04could only imagine how rough it actually
28:06was but
28:07it took roughly 18 months that passed
28:10before the cloud of Suspicion
28:13surrounding Melissa would disappear
28:15okay all right friends and family of the
28:19victims they weren't even sure what to
28:21think at this point at some point
28:23Beverly this is Scott's mom remember who
28:26worked at the store as well right
28:28well the police decided that they should
28:30run her DNA against her sons Scott's DNA
28:34okay to see if anything funny was going
28:37on there
28:38the tests were run and then the results
28:40well what comes back is it's not a match
28:44I'm okay so something very strange is
28:46going on here right yeah or bad lab work
28:50there you go because after a lot of
28:52investigating and examining what
28:55possibly could have happened they
28:58realized that Scots and Brian's DNA
29:01samples had been mixed up for some
29:03reason
29:05so this poor lady right right she loses
29:09her husband and then you say hey
29:12um by the way we took the sample of this
29:14diaper we took the diaper we took some
29:16[ __ ] right and we went down to our lab
29:19and we tested it and came out that Scott
29:22is not the you know it's like Mori or
29:25something right it's like he is not the
29:28father and she's going wait a second he
29:31is the father there's no possibility no
29:33no Brian's a father she's probably
29:34thinking
29:35because she's telling the truth right
29:37right she's probably she knows she's
29:39telling the truth right she knows if she
29:41who she slept with and who she didn't
29:43sleep with and if she's saying there's
29:45no way in hell well and the samples
29:47probably could have been they could have
29:49been mixed up when they were collected
29:51at the crime scene because remember
29:53these two poor guys were laying next to
29:55each each other they may have just been
29:58mislabeled from the get-go so this means
30:00obviously that Melissa was telling the
30:02truth Scott was the father of her baby
30:05Beverly was Scott's mother just like
30:07everyone had always thought forever
30:09right so suddenly it doesn't look so
30:12suspicious that Melissa was only willing
30:14to speak with law enforcement with a
30:16lawyer present well it makes you start
30:18wondering the competency of the law
30:20enforcement yet the other thing though
30:22too is we have to think about this
30:25because she's trying to help them
30:27investigate the murder of her husband
30:28the the murder of her son's father and
30:32then at some point they are telling her
30:34this is not Scott's baby I'm sure she's
30:37like oh my God they're they're trying to
30:39pin this thing on me
30:41yeah well she'll and then once she knows
30:43that they're full of [ __ ] she's probably
30:46thinking man these window lickers how
30:49are they going to solve the case well
30:50this is the shittiest test I've ever
30:52heard of right so but just a real quick
30:54note here captain on kind of uh
30:56conflicting theories that were presented
30:58by persons closest to the case we have
31:01the investigators that believe that the
31:03gunman uh was armed with a pistol or
31:06handgun and he entered the shop from the
31:09back of the building and killed Chris
31:11Sherbert first while he was working on
31:14the motorcycle that they later found him
31:16slumped over they believed then the
31:19gunman walked through the shop toward
31:21the middle of the building then killed
31:23Beverly at the showroom then Brian Lucas
31:26at the main doorway and Scott Ponder in
31:29the parking lot now Noel who found the
31:32bodies
31:33he says that you know he kind of
31:36disagrees with their theories and with
31:38the rumors that he had been hearing
31:40around town the rumors he was hearing
31:42was that Scott and Brian were
31:43potentially running from the store
31:45running from the shop to get away from
31:48someone
31:49and he thinks that that what he thinks
31:52is more likely having known these guys
31:54is that possibly Scott was trying to
31:56defuse some type of Confrontation that
31:59was actually outside of the store when
32:01the shots were fired and Brian ran out
32:04to Scott's Aid
32:05so just a couple of opinions from
32:09persons closest to the case I think I
32:12think there's a chance that that both
32:13could be right in a sense that what
32:15seems pretty clear though
32:17is regardless of the order of the attack
32:20and how it took place Chris Sherbert
32:22he's working on the bike in the back of
32:25the building right and he apparently is
32:29unaware that there was any type of
32:31danger at all when he was shot so either
32:35he was surprised or had little to no
32:38time to react to what was going on or
32:40what was going to happen to him
32:42yeah well you wonder how loud it was in
32:45the shop because if let's say it's
32:47pretty loud I didn't take that into
32:48consideration but let's say you have
32:50some music blasting right right so then
32:53or your wrenching right yeah right some
32:56noises happening with your tools and
32:58there's a conversation with Scott in the
33:01front with this suspect and it gets
33:05heated
33:06he shoots Scott
33:07then Brian's coming out to help Scott he
33:11gets shot he makes his way into the
33:13store to kill the mother but then he
33:15goes around the store to the back where
33:19they would be working on the bike and
33:22that's why he'd be shot without knowing
33:24uh it's unlikely to me that they would
33:27not hear three gunshots but again
33:29depends on how loud the noise is and
33:32some people will wear like noise
33:33canceling headphones when they're
33:35working on with loud or earplugs right
33:38so we do see you know the detectives
33:40chasing the leads working them
33:43ultimately to the point where they start
33:44clearing suspects we start seeing the
33:48people closest to the victims getting
33:49clear to suspects specifically the wives
33:52and then the friend that found the
33:54bodies
33:55leads that were called in about strange
33:57people or suspicious people that were
34:00shared by Witnesses those were worked
34:03and cleared as well with the exception
34:05of the lead provided by Kelly Sisk and
34:07that's the best lead because when you
34:09have a guy that obviously doesn't know
34:11what he's talking about or that's what
34:14this lead was saying and then that same
34:17bike that that suspect was talking about
34:19is on you know in the back up working on
34:24it went from the showroom to to the
34:26service room hmm you know again that
34:30would be like and all I'm doing is going
34:32off of like guitar store knowledge but
34:35if some guy came in and he was looking
34:37at uh Flying V right and he said oh yeah
34:41I like this Flying V but I like to buy
34:43it we'd put it on the the workbench to
34:47do a couple tweaks to it before the guy
34:49bought it right and so if that guy then
34:52shot up the store and left it well see
34:55what I'm saying right well the thing
34:57though is
34:58okay so Kelly Kelly doesn't know who
35:02this guy is which is which is also
35:04strange in a way because this shop had a
35:07lot of quote-unquote regulars you know
35:10so when he's describing this guy he's
35:12saying not only did he not know what he
35:13was talking about regarding motorcycles
35:16he's no but he's no one that I've ever
35:18seen in the store before right and
35:20furthermore and if this does not come
35:23out very early in the investigation I
35:25think this came out quite late
35:28but we would later find out that the the
35:30bike the black motorcycle
35:33that Chris had been working on or doing
35:35something with when he was shot and
35:37ultimately found slumped over that bike
35:40right that bike had a bill of sale
35:42written up for that bike but there was
35:45no customer name written on the bill of
35:47sale
35:48so they they really believed that that
35:50just seconds before this attack went
35:52down the bike made its way to the back
35:54of the store
35:56maybe Chris took it back there or or it
35:58was walked back to him
36:00somebody's ringing up a bill of sale or
36:03writing it out and then the attacks must
36:05have went down right there before they
36:07could get this
36:08customer's name right and you think a
36:11crime that is this vicious it seems like
36:15the subject would have to know
36:18at least one or more of the victims
36:22but we don't have really any evidence
36:24saying that is true and where we see the
36:28um what we had referred to as the
36:30incompetence with the mixing up of the
36:32DNA samples that's a little tricky
36:36because you know does that fall on the
36:39the crime scene texts did they did they
36:42simply label those wrong but regardless
36:44if you're going to come out with an
36:45accusation like that maybe yeah you
36:48should have double you should double
36:49check your work yeah I mean it's one
36:52thing to make a mistake it's another
36:54thing to not double check and then make
36:57accusations like that because
37:00um again this this person is a victim
37:03and now you're you're going out I mean
37:06just to put in the Public's eyes that
37:09hey your son's father is not his father
37:13that makes her look like a pretty shitty
37:16person well not only that not only is he
37:18not the father but his his good friend
37:21maybe best friend and co-worker right or
37:23employee is the real father and the
37:26thing is you know people's people's
37:29lives and mindsets can be fragile
37:32especially a victim of this nature and
37:35to throw that out there you I mean you
37:37really could be pushing somebody over
37:40the edge to committing suicide or doing
37:42something
37:43doing something completely off the off
37:45the wall law enforcement's lucky that
37:48she's of strong mind
37:51now one thing that I do think that they
37:53did well though the the investigators
37:55did well and I I liken this to an old
37:58FBI tactic where when they released the
38:02description of this last known man to be
38:04in the Super Bike store this this fake
38:07customer guy when they released the
38:10description and the sketch of him they
38:12specifically say this guy's not a
38:14suspect he we're not considering him a
38:17suspect he he is somebody that we would
38:19like to talk to we would like for him to
38:21come forward because we believe that he
38:24could provide information that could
38:26help solve these cases or maybe he
38:30actually saw the real last person that
38:32was in the store right unfortunately
38:35this man does not come forward and the
38:40now famous case known as the superbike
38:42murders or to local law enforcement as
38:45simply Superbikes was at a standstill
38:48this case was still being worked from
38:50time to time now on the anniversary of
38:53the murders on the one two or even five
38:56and ten years after the quad homicide
38:58the phone would ring at the police
39:01station and somebody would provide some
39:03information that would ultimately be
39:05useless to the solving of the crimes but
39:08no matter how cold this case was
39:11Superbikes was always on the minds of
39:14the good men and women at the sheriff's
39:15department and on the hearts and minds
39:17of the people in the community and it
39:20just makes you wonder what like their
39:21policy or what the procedure was for
39:24writing a bill of sale and why there
39:27wasn't somebody's name on that bill of
39:30sale I wonder too I mean this points out
39:33to me Captain that the people selling
39:35the bike right may not have known the
39:37man's name and I know that sounds silly
39:39but I mean they don't know his name by
39:42he's not a regular at the store right
39:44right it's more confirmation of that
39:46maybe they had to ask him for a driver's
39:48license or something of that nature
39:50before they legitimately put it on the
39:52bill of sale right but now we have to
39:54fast forward to 13 years later late in
39:582016 in a
40:02in a completely different story here
40:04Captain this is taking place in Anderson
40:07South Carolina we have 32 year old
40:09Charles Carver
40:11he had recently been through a bitter
40:14divorce and he's now living in an
40:16apartment at the Anderson Crossing
40:18Apartments complex with his 30 year old
40:21girlfriend Kayla Brown
40:22now Charles who is described as a super
40:26down-to-earth great country guy he works
40:29at First Quality Enterprises
40:32Kayla who did a stint in the U.S army
40:35After High School was working at a
40:37dialysis center uh she started working
40:40there in 2013. the happy boyfriend and
40:44girlfriend they were very social people
40:46uh easy to get along with and could
40:48often be seen walking their little
40:50pomeranian dog named Romeo
40:57like a whole bunch of us Charles and
40:59Kayla they used
41:01Facebook to stay up to date with you
41:03know with their friends and family and
41:05such
41:06both were tight with their families and
41:08both were considered to be very reliable
41:11and dependable people
41:13then one day in early September of 2016
41:17people started to take notice
41:20it seems no one had seen either Charles
41:23or Kayla in quite some time
41:25both were missing work and people
41:29started to wonder who's taking care of
41:31their little dog Romeo right they were
41:34both reported missing and authorities
41:35started looking for the couple and
41:38started trying to determine where they
41:40were last seen and heard from now
41:43according to police reports from the
41:45Anderson Police Department Charles's
41:47mother Claudia had been unable to reach
41:50him since she says August 29 2016. so
41:55how long is that
41:56well they weren't reported missing until
41:58early September
42:00and then we have Caleb Brown's friend
42:02Leah Miller she told police that she had
42:05last heard from Kayla on August 31st but
42:09this was in the form of a short text
42:10message right the message just simply
42:13said are you awake I guess Leah did not
42:16answer that text until later that day
42:19but when she did reply to the text she
42:22never heard anything back from Kayla so
42:25Charles's car had vanished as well the
42:28couple's cell phones eventually went
42:30dead
42:31even their beloved dog was you know he's
42:34at home
42:35without food or water right now August
42:3831st the August 31st text Captain is
42:42believed to be the last communication
42:43from either one of these people
42:47and this is until we start seeing some
42:49activity in September and October these
42:52are odd postings that appear on Facebook
42:55okay they're posting them well there
42:58were several news articles reporting the
43:01story okay from time to time about the
43:04uh the missing people but then there's
43:07also some news articles that come out
43:09and they start reporting this uh one in
43:12particular is from The Daily Beast
43:13stated that the facts pretty clearly
43:16state that someone is pretending to be
43:20this missing couple on Facebook
43:23and they're adding that ever since
43:25Charlie Carver Charles Carver and Caleb
43:28Brown vanished someone had been adding
43:31life events on Facebook and even
43:34messaging their friends
43:37okay so that's strange yeah they simply
43:41asked a simple question here
43:43could this be the ex-wife remember we
43:46talked about a bitter divorce right now
43:49according to this article from The Daily
43:51Beast Charlie Carver's Facebook page
43:53tells the story of a man that was
43:56currently in love at the time of his
43:57disappearance
43:59but it also states that on July 1st
44:01Carver posted that he and his girlfriend
44:04were expecting a daughter
44:06and then on August 1st the two bought a
44:10house together and then on September 1st
44:13the couple got married now what
44:16horrified Charles's friends and family
44:18was that all of these happy new
44:21Milestones on his timeline were logged
44:24retroactively right they weren't logged
44:27until October 1st which was more than a
44:31month after the time that the two were
44:33considered to have been missing right I
44:36don't know much about these uh life
44:38posts or life events but it is weird
44:41that they're posting them afterwards I'm
44:43guessing what it is is like if you got a
44:45new job uh September 1st that sometimes
44:48people don't post that they got a job
44:50September 1st they might wait wait a
44:52couple weeks see how it goes right but
44:55the fact that there's all these you know
44:57we're we're expecting a kid we got
44:59married uh for people that are very
45:02involved with their family
45:04um even if it was true you'd start
45:07wondering well what the heck is going on
45:08with this couple they're not
45:10communicating with anybody in their
45:11family
45:14everybody's wondering there's got to be
45:16someone out there that's posing as
45:18Charles
45:19and still sending messages to his
45:22friends the first week of October do we
45:25have any idea of what kind of messages
45:28uh well there was there was this
45:31incident that the first week of October
45:33sometime in the first week of October
45:34someone had uploaded and then quickly
45:37deleted an old picture of the couple
45:40um
45:41and there was a caption that that came
45:45along with the picture that just said we
45:46are fine right and then that was deleted
45:49yeah and then the missing couple's case
45:52it was starting to gain more and more
45:54attention from the media as these things
45:57were happening and then there came a
45:59particularly cryptic post this was on
46:02well before this I mean as far as law
46:05enforcement goes again yes these people
46:07are close with their family
46:09but it's not too far out of the realm to
46:13think that they just went missing
46:14because they wanted to then they are
46:17still active on Facebook I mean it has
46:19to be in the back your head that this
46:21could be them
46:22posting this stuff
46:25yeah yeah I mean yeah absolutely the the
46:29but the really odd thing is that the
46:32purchasing of the house right is weird
46:35to me because yeah do people do people
46:37get pregnant do couples get pregnant and
46:39decide to get married and they take off
46:40it happens it does happen right but
46:43rarely would I say do we see somebody
46:45say oh we bought a house and then
46:47you know 30 days later we're we're at a
46:50Dodge right you can't find us anywhere
46:52and furthermore where's this house right
46:55they were still living in the apartment
46:56complex when when they were last seen
46:59right that would be real shitty people
47:02like hey we now got a house but we're
47:05gonna leave the dog behind right now
47:07that we have more space for the dog
47:09unfortunately there are people out there
47:11that there are people all that stuff so
47:14so regarding this cryptic post that was
47:16put on Charles Carver's Facebook page uh
47:19the post that that gained a lot of
47:21attention in the media was this it was
47:24it read last thing I remember I was
47:27running for the door I had to find the
47:29passage back to the place I was before
47:31relax said the night man we are
47:34programmed to receive you can check out
47:36anytime you like but you can never leave
47:39Hotel California by the Eagles
47:43now since their disappearance we said
47:45that these messages started to appear uh
47:49and they were retroactively put on their
47:52Facebook page but during those couple of
47:54months here we have Charles's family who
47:57they very quickly showed up after they
47:59reported him missing they took the dog
48:02to care for the dog good good people
48:04they even paid the rent for the couple's
48:07apartment for a couple of months
48:09and then one day Charles's family they
48:12showed up and they backed up a truck and
48:15they packed up all of the couple's
48:16belongings and they took off right this
48:19would be very difficult on the family
48:21meanwhile you know while all this scary
48:24crazy stuff is going on with the missing
48:26couple's Facebook pages
48:29police have an active missing persons
48:31case going on and they are working this
48:34case from every angle
48:36Anderson Police investigators they were
48:39able to obtain a warrant or a court
48:42order for cell phone records from a t
48:45this is Kayla Brown's cell phone service
48:48provider police wanted to use technology
48:52to try to locate the missing couple they
48:55wanted to see if they could locate
48:56Kayla's last cell phone signal now this
49:00is not as simple as it may sound this
49:03isn't the more common GPS technology
49:06most people are familiar with that you
49:08know what that would only work if Kayla
49:11had location services turned on or right
49:14like find my phone feature turned on
49:16instead what the investigators were able
49:19to obtain they obtained cell phone
49:22records that would show which cell phone
49:25towers Kayla's phone had connected to up
49:28until the moment that the phone had died
49:31yeah these look these are true crime
49:33listeners right they all know about cell
49:36phone ping technology well I I know that
49:39Captain I bring this up only because
49:41there are some specific details within
49:44this investigation that may be a little
49:46different from what we typically hear
49:48what we're used to right okay so just in
49:52case there's one or two people out there
49:54that don't know the the the cell phone
49:57is always searching for the close
49:59closest or strongest signal so cell
50:02towers keep a log of these pings you
50:04know when when the two two connect with
50:07each other there's a ping so since pings
50:10are being sent constantly between
50:12multiple Towers records will then allow
50:15law enforcement later to triangulate a
50:19phone's location based on the strength
50:21of the pings between the towers right
50:24well to triangulate this and to really
50:26narrow it down to a specific location
50:28you need three towers
50:31in this situation this situation is
50:33quite a bit it's quite more difficult
50:35because
50:37this situation we only have two towers
50:40that are nearby right because this is a
50:42rural area
50:44so
50:45having becomes a lot harder right having
50:48two towers nearby versus three gives a
50:51larger search area because the search
50:54area should be based on where the two
50:56towers where the where the tower signals
50:58overlap right so here you would only
51:01have two rather than three what they
51:03discovered in Kayla's cell phone
51:05situation that it had pinged indicating
51:08Kayla's phone was in a town 50 miles
51:12Northeast of where the two had lived and
51:15the phone was sending a signal up to two
51:18days after she was last seen on August
51:2131st and these pings were coming from
51:24the location of Woodruff South Carolina
51:26so Captain we have the super bike
51:29quadruple homicide that takes place in
51:322003 and then 13 years later we have The
51:36Disappearance of this young couple
51:37that's receiving media attention because
51:40of these strange Facebook postings well
51:43what did the two of these cases have to
51:46do with one another we'll get to that
51:47tomorrow and part two
51:49[Music]
51:56till tomorrow everybody out there be
51:58good be kind and don't litter
52:00[Music]
52:15[Applause]
52:17[Music]

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