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0:01That was one big building.
0:05>> Yeah.
0:07I cleared it in under 30 seconds.
0:09>> You what? Now
0:10>> I cleared that building in under 30
0:11seconds. You guys would have been proud.
0:16I'm sorry, but you guys would have been
0:17proud.
0:49Hey,
0:49>> I told you I'm random word.
0:51>> Thank you.
0:53>> Um, did anybody hang in front of the
0:56same places? You are we've already read
0:58your your Miranda rights. Yes, I
0:59appreciate you. I think you still have
1:02the I did Miranda for you. We do have
1:06one thing we need to do real quick so
1:08that people don't think we're lying. Can
1:10I get you an initial and date? This is
1:12the map that you guys drew earlier.
1:14>> Those are the notes that
1:15>> Hold on. Let me I'll get those. I got
1:17it. I ain't going nowhere.
1:23>> I said I was doing so well. I should
1:25have done it long.
1:27>> No, buddy. You're okay.
1:29>> Let's get that out of now.
1:31>> Just thinking it's kind of funny.
1:33>> Why?
1:35>> At the end of all this,
1:37>> right?
1:41>> You've helped us get back with my mom,
1:44>> right?
1:44>> And I'm helping you solve a problem that
1:48just cleans the books up. That solves
1:51>> I hit the wrong button there. I got
1:54this. I'm sorry. Hold on.
1:56>> Yeah. If you will just
1:59do what? Oh, we got white people.
2:02>> No, that's that's just some notes that I
2:03made. If you'll if you'll just sign
2:05right here. Just initial that cuz that's
2:08where we talked about the notes that I
2:10put on there about where they were.
2:12>> Would you initials or
2:13>> just if you would just sign it,
2:19print your name below that.
2:26but today's day.
2:31>> I understand.
2:38>> Now, what were you saying? We helped you
2:39do what?
2:40>> I haven't been around my mom in years.
2:43I've tried. We had it falling apart
2:45because my grandfather
2:47>> Okay.
2:47>> I should have patched it up years ago
2:48and I didn't do it. It's a really shitty
2:51situation.
2:51>> Long as we could help you.
2:53>> I appreciate it.
2:55>> Um, you know, we want to talk to you
2:57about superbikes.
2:58>> We're good.
3:00>> Would you rather
3:02write it out in a statement in your own
3:04words or would you rather
3:06>> I'd rather just tell it to you.
3:07>> You'd rather just tell it to us. Would
3:08you rather us tell it to us and us write
3:10it out or you just want to have a
3:11conversation and tell it to us? We'll
3:13let you pick whichever you want to do.
3:14>> I don't want to write.
3:16>> Okay.
3:16>> I do it for a living. My hands hurt.
3:18>> Okay. Do you want me to write it out for
3:19you?
3:20>> Sure.
3:20>> Okay.
3:31>> It's Christopher, correct?
3:33>> Yes, sir.
3:38>> Mr. Right.
3:40>> It's K O H L
3:42>> A K O H L H E P. I always get it wrong.
3:46And how are you again? What? I'm
3:48drinking
3:5045.
3:51>> Okay. Today is 115.
3:55>> 11:5.
3:58>> And your current address again? I forget
4:00it.
4:00>> 213.
4:01>> Mhm.
4:02>> Wind.
4:03>> Is that W I N
4:04>> D S O N G
4:08more.
4:12>> Okay.
4:12>> 29269.
4:14>> 2969. And your date of birth?
4:17>> 3771.
4:19>> And your social?
4:21>> 248.
4:22>> Yes, sir.
4:23>> 51
4:24>> Mhm.
4:24>> 041.
4:26>> Okay. And what's the phone number that
4:28you've been using that cell phone
4:30number? I forgot it.
4:31>> I'm having some not being smart. I'm
4:33trying to give the jail's address.
4:38>> Oh, yeah. No, I understand. I
4:40understand.
4:40>> 384
4:42>> 2488.
4:44Okay.
4:46Now, can what I want you to do is
4:51tell me from the very beginning about
4:54Superbikes.
4:56>> Well, led up to it or they
4:58>> You bought a bike from them.
5:00>> I bought a I bought a motorcycle from
5:02them. Um,
5:04>> what kind of motorcycle?
5:06>> It was a Suzuki GSXR 750.
5:11GSXR
5:13750. Now, you're going to have to bear
5:15with me because I ride slow. I'm going
5:18to bear with me.
5:19>> So, you bought a GSXR 750 from
5:22>> Superbike Motorsports.
5:24>> Super.
5:27>> I got to do the same thing. That's why
5:28we
5:30>> Super Bike
5:36Motorsports.
5:37>> Yes, sir. And that's on Parisburg Road.
5:40Correct.
5:41>> I still got the t-shirt.
5:43>> They give you a t-shirt?
5:44>> They did. I can't.
5:46>> I'm not a trophy guy.
5:48>> You're not a trophy guy?
5:50>> They want to give you a trophy?
5:52>> No, sir. That was actually
5:54>> I got you. Um
5:57>> I don't keep trophies.
5:58>> So you bought the bike. When did you buy
6:00the bike?
6:11Um
6:1403.
6:16>> Do you remember when in 03?
6:18>> No, sir.
6:18>> Okay. Just sometime in 03, but was it
6:21spring, fall, winter?
6:23>> Sure. That's not a long time.
6:24>> Okay.
6:26>> My grandfather gave me gave me the down
6:28payment. Okay.
6:29>> And I went and bought it.
6:34I'm thinking it was a free
6:42one.
6:49>> Where were you living at when you bought
6:51it?
6:51>> Club. You were living at Hunt Club? Mhm.
6:59Just
7:11Okay. So, Greg, you bought the bike.
7:13>> Bought the bike.
7:15Uh, tried to ride it. Didn't work either
7:17way. Um, key points. Um, had it 14 days
7:23and it got stolen from the front of the
7:25apartment complex.
7:31I had actually gone back to them. Hold
7:34on a second.
7:52>> You said you went back to them
7:54>> before it got stolen. I had gone back to
7:56them. uh a few days prior to being
7:59stolen and told him that I was having a
8:00hard time writing it and I was not so
8:03sure I had made a wise decision
8:06before it got stolen
8:16because I was
8:19inexperienced.
8:25knew a lot of bike.
8:29>> Okay. You went back to them because you
8:31were inexperienced. And what else did
8:33you say?
8:33>> I I thought it was a bad decision. I was
8:35trying to see if I could possibly trade
8:36it in for a smaller bike or something of
8:40that nature. Maybe I just
8:43I know how to ride it.
8:46And they bear with me. No problem.
8:48>> Thought it was a bad decision.
8:50>> Mhm. and maybe
8:55considered selling with that tool.
8:57>> You said something about wanted to trade
8:58or something.
8:58>> Either trade it for something smaller,
9:01uh maybe a 600 or get a uh um
9:05just walk away from it. Get get out of
9:07it.
9:17>> Okay. What happened? Uh they were please
9:23understand this has been many many
9:25years. Um they proceed to give me
9:29on the rude side about uh my inability
9:32to to to ride a that kind of bike.
9:36No one ever taught me. So I mean I'm not
9:39operating the clutch. the um
9:44and the possibility of them coming by at
9:45some time with a trailer. Maybe if I had
9:47to make up my mind that they they had
9:49dropped it off at the apartment. Okay.
9:51>> So, they knew they knew exactly where it
9:55was stored cuz the guy brought it over
9:56to me.
10:18So you said they knew where it was
10:20stored.
10:20>> They knew it was stored.
10:21>> Okay.
10:22>> Cuz they had dropped it off there.
10:25>> Okay.
10:25>> Uh 2 3 days later it came up missing. It
10:30was a police report.
10:32Um
10:35as far as I know, they never found the
10:36bike.
10:46You said I made a police report.
10:47>> I did.
10:51Actually, the law enforcement officer
10:54made fun of me.
10:57He informed me that that's that's a
10:59shame it got stolen before I had before
11:00I got a chance to write you a ticket.
11:04That was the one time I didn't like you
11:05guys.
11:07So, you made a police report?
11:09>> Yes, sir.
11:10>> And then what happened then?
11:12>> Insurance came out. I lost $1,000
11:14deposit because that was my deductible.
11:16They paid off the bike and it was never
11:19seen again or at least nobody bothered
11:21to contact me about it.
11:35And they paid off the bug. They did.
11:46Okay.
11:48Um, started this part of the story, but
11:51I mean started college, started going to
11:52Greenville Tech.
11:53>> Okay.
11:54>> Um,
11:57none of my credits transferred from my
11:59previous degree.
12:02like
12:04okay
12:05started there. Um got the Jonesing again
12:09for motorcycle and started going back to
12:12the shop
12:15and sitting on
12:40Now would this be at supervised?
12:42>> Yes sir.
12:55>> Okay.
12:57Um
12:58during one of my times over there
13:00sitting on one of the I believe it was
13:04the manager,
13:05the owner's friend.
13:07>> Okay.
13:08>> Um
13:11kind of was a bit of an [ __ ]
13:15I was looking at the bikes and trying to
13:17let the earlier part go.
13:18>> Hold on. Slow down. Okay.
13:21During one of my times there, the
13:23owner's friend,
13:25>> I believe it was the manager,
13:28I don't remember the names, it's
13:34partners at some Wow.
13:54>> You said you think they were partners.
13:56>> They were,
13:58according to the paper, they were best
13:59of friends. They went into business
14:01together. It was the
14:05Brian and something or something or I
14:07don't remember the names.
14:09>> But go ahead. You didn't know their
14:10names at that time.
14:12>> I did at the time, but I don't remember
14:13now.
14:14>> Okay. Okay.
14:14>> Uh I had spoke to both of them and
14:16buying the bike and all this
14:18>> and they were always together.
14:19>> Okay. So you so go back to where we
14:21were. You you were sitting on bikes. I
14:23was sitting by talking back and forth
14:24and the
14:27manager started making some comments
14:30about
14:32some I'm going to have to lose each say
14:35because I don't remember the whole thing
14:36but basically great now we have some
14:38long lines we'll have another one to go
14:40pick up
14:42and made some comments about
14:45the last one being installed and the
14:47manager
14:49said,
14:53"Great.
14:57Now
14:59we
15:00will
15:02have
15:10another one to go
15:15pick up."
15:16>> And and he says something about
15:20Mine was on it way to Mine was on its
15:21way to Florida.
15:23I have no idea what's in Florida or why
15:25he said that.
15:43>> Okay.
15:46When he said it was I I talk about the
15:49time when I asked about possibly selling
15:51it. It was implied that
15:54we took your [ __ ]
16:11>> Okay.
16:12>> Um I let it slide for the time being.
16:17Um, thought about it.
16:20>> Oh, bear with me.
16:25>> This is why I type.
16:29>> If it was if it was my handwriting.
16:32>> Oh, mine's not much better, but So, you
16:34let it slide for the time being.
16:36>> Time being just Give me just a minute.
16:45>> Second. What?
16:46>> Just keep going.
16:48>> Okay. Go ahead. I'm sorry.
16:50>> Is it more about me?
16:52>> No.
16:52>> No.
16:53>> This is
16:56what I say. I think I told you. You're
16:58good.
17:00>> Um,
17:00>> so you let it slide for the time being.
17:02>> Time being got mad about it. Kept going
17:06out there. Why I kept going to the same
17:08bike place, I don't really know.
17:11But I'd go out there, sit on the bikes
17:16and listen to these two talk [ __ ]
17:27>> Say that again. You kept going out there
17:29and sitting on the bikes.
17:30>> The bikes, trying them out, and
17:32listening to these two, the owner and
17:36uh the manager basically talk trash.
17:54Okay.
17:57>> Um,
17:59bought a bird 92 FS.
18:04I don't know why I keep telling you FS.
18:06Just details.
18:09>> Moretta
18:1092
18:11>> 92 FS
18:12>> FS
18:15>> uh 9mm. At the time, those only had 10
18:18round mags because they had still had
18:19the limitation and the aftermarket Pro
18:21mags were god awful.
18:23>> So, how many mag So, you had 10 a 10
18:25round magazine.
18:26>> Yes, sir. Three of them.
18:27>> Three 10 round magazines.
18:29>> Mhm.
18:31I actually prefer a shoulder halter.
18:35Although, I've got
18:38quite a few of those kidex.
18:40>> They work very well. U bravo
18:43concealment.
18:44Um,
18:47highly recommend them.
18:50>> Then what happened?
18:51>> Um,
18:53swap barrels. I don't think this is
18:54important. Swap barrels, but it does
18:56lead you to the story later.
18:58Uh, swap barrels.
19:01>> Swapped
19:06barrels.
19:06>> Yes, sir.
19:07>> Okay.
19:09I am not certain which barrel was on the
19:12gun that day.
19:15The reason is because one threaded one
19:19is not. And I was having problems with
19:22the suppressor.
19:24Okay, I'll explain that in a moment.
19:30Now, say that say that part again.
19:32You're not certain which one was on the
19:33barrel that day because
19:35>> because I was having problems with a
19:37suppressor.
19:38A suppressor would shoot on a
19:41semi-automatic
19:42requires a Neielson device also as a RAD
19:45on recoil assist
19:55if you have a movable barrel.
19:59Okay? Otherwise, you have to use the
20:01spacer and lock it.
20:02>> So, you're having problems with the
20:03suppressor. You're gonna have to say
20:04that.
20:04>> He's understanding it and you're just
20:06going, "Okay."
20:07>> Yeah. So, you're having problems with
20:09the suppressor.
20:10>> Yes. But if you don't have a RAD device
20:12on it, it causes the barrel to lock back
20:14and you have to
20:16>> say suppressor. That's you.
20:19>> Yeah. Not They're not silencers.
20:21>> Okay.
20:23So, say start from there then.
20:24>> Sure. Um, the problem with suppressor
20:28would it would lock up when you shoot
20:31one round if you don't have a RAD
20:32device.
20:36I couldn't make one of those.
20:38You can now
20:42>> if you didn't have
20:44>> a rad recoil device
20:48also known as nail
20:55>> device. Okay.
20:57>> Off that so you understand when it when
20:59it when it fires it keeps the barrel
21:01because of the barrel and the bettas all
21:03sphere locks the same way. Certain guns
21:05actually will the barrel will move a
21:07little bit. They're not fixed when they
21:09when they move like that. If you don't
21:11have the recoil the weight of the fired,
21:14if it doesn't have a little assist to
21:16help you move the barrel, it causes the
21:18barrel to get locked back and it can
21:20damage the weapon, but it locks it up to
21:21a single round.
21:23>> Todd, not that's going to be part of
21:24this, but on on this statement, where
21:26did you buy that Beretta on the street?
21:30You don't know who from do you remember
21:32guy? The guy I found him in
21:38one of those Iwanas.
21:39>> Mhm.
21:40>> And I had drive it easily and I bought
21:43it on the side of the road.
21:49I think more than this work, but I
21:50wanted it.
22:04And the suppressor I had made at a
22:06machine shop.
22:08>> Do you remember which machine shop?
22:11Moore.
22:12Moore. Moore. Machine shop.
22:14>> Mhm. Jim Moore. He's no longer in
22:16business or he's sold the he he's no
22:19longer managing the place and he made me
22:23bits and pieces for it. I mean, he knew
22:26what it was going to be for, but I mean,
22:29I don't know a machinist out there that
22:30can't that doesn't make
22:32>> You made the suppressor at where?
22:34>> Um,
22:36>> yeah, place called more uh
22:40more
22:43machine works.
22:44>> Okay. Okay. Go on.
22:47>> Um,
22:49I had to do the parts I put together.
22:51Um,
22:53did that, tried it out, made some
22:56modifications at the in the store. I
22:58didn't like it.
23:00Um,
23:11just didn't trust it.
23:15Dependability
23:17surpasses everything else.
23:22Okay.
23:23>> Years later, I actually learned how to
23:24make them myself and actually mine were
23:26coming.
23:27>> Then what happened?
23:29>> Uh
23:30was going to go out there, was using the
23:32suppressor, ended up leaving the
23:34suppressor in the in the car.
23:36I went with the intent.
23:38>> You took the suppressor with you. Mhm.
23:42>> But I didn't use it.
23:46>> I'm almost positive I put the original
23:48barrel back on.
24:20Okay. And then you drove up there.
24:23>> Mhm.
24:25>> You drove where?
24:26>> Uh was that Harris Road? Um, got off of
24:31class,
24:33got out of Greenville, drove down there,
24:36put the shoulder holster on when I was
24:38at CVS.
24:39>> No, back up. You confused me. So, you
24:41drove to
24:42>> All right. I left college, left my
24:45class.
24:46>> Okay.
24:46>> Drove to Bowling Springs.
25:00Okay, put the shoulder holster on at the
25:03CVS parking lot.
25:07Not going to worry about school.
25:13Do you remember what time of day it was
25:15that you left class?
25:28No. Two 130 130 left there.
25:32It's 14 minute drive.
25:36I don't know.
25:40>> We're fuzzy on the time frame, sir. It's
25:42okay. It's been okay.
25:44>> It's nothing you do. It's not yet. You
25:46left class about what time? I think
25:49about 1:30.
25:51>> Okay.
25:53>> Was our class was so boring.
25:55>> Okay.
25:56And this was the CVS in Blooming Spring,
25:58you said?
25:59>> Yes, sir.
26:20Bear with me just a second.
26:25I got it.
26:30>> Okay.
26:34Then you So you put the shoulder hoster
26:36on at CVS and Boil Springs and then
26:39>> drove to the bike place, bike shop.
26:51Okay.
26:53Um got there.
26:56Um not everybody was there.
27:04Went in
27:10uh sat on a few bikes. Did my usual
27:18basically stuff for time
27:22and doing my best to make sure that the
27:24pain
27:26customers were not there.
27:30Collateral damage is not cool.
27:32>> Set on a few bikes stalling for time to
27:35make sure
27:36>> customers were not there. customer to
27:38make
27:39>> I was waiting for I was waiting for the
27:41other
27:42>> waiting to make sure customers were not
27:46there. You said you were waiting on
27:48what?
27:48>> This was during a time as you know that
27:51it was not busy.
27:52>> That chose time that was not after work
27:55when I would have a lot of people in
27:56there. Um did not want to shoot other
27:59people.
28:01>> Okay, hold on.
28:07Kind of funny. Kayla put on her
28:10paperwork when she was writing stuff out
28:11to me that she found a killer with a
28:14conscience and a kidnapper with morals,
28:16whatever the hell that meant.
28:17>> You remember that?
28:18>> Yeah.
28:19>> So you said I did not
28:20>> after she said I spent a lot of time
28:22thinking going, "Wow, kind of okay."
28:26>> So you said you did not want
28:29to shoot.
28:33>> I didn't want to shoot anybody else
28:35here. Bear with me. I'm sorry.
28:48I'm sorry. See, I did not want to shoot
28:51>> other I didn't want to see shoot other
28:53customers.
28:58>> Okay.
28:58>> And I had to wait for the other one of
29:00the guys wasn't there. I had to wait for
29:02her to come in.
29:04One
29:06of the
29:09guys
29:11wasn't
29:14there.
29:16I had to
29:19wait for
29:22him to come in. Who was not there?
29:27>> I don't remember which one. Okay. So,
29:29one one of the owner and the manager,
29:32one of the the two main people.
29:34Okay.
29:48>> I actually wasn't meaning to hit the
29:50mom.
29:52>> You actually what?
29:52>> I was not meaning to hit the mom.
29:56I prefer not to shoot women if I can.
29:59Okay.
29:59>> And I refuse to shoot a kid.
30:03Okay, tell me what happened then.
30:06>> Uh, finally all four showed up. From the
30:10sound, it sound like there was nobody
30:11else there.
30:13>> All
30:15four
30:18showed.
30:19Uh, when you say all four,
30:21>> all four people who worked at the at at
30:24the bike store, the mechanic, the mom. I
30:27was not going for the mom, but
30:31She was there at the time and she was
30:34working there, but
30:37she got thrown into it. She wasn't uh
30:40she wasn't a primary target.
30:50He's going to be up late tonight.
30:53Was not a primary target.
30:58>> Okay. Then what happened?
31:00sitting on a black Kawasaki Katana 600.
31:04I believe it's a crap bike,
31:07but I was sitting on it and it was a
31:12what now?
31:13>> Black Kawasaki Katana
31:16600.
31:24>> Okay.
31:25>> Um told him I would take it.
31:31At which point the mechanic
31:36took the bike to the back to prep it.
31:40>> Okay. Slow down for me. Okay. No
31:42problem.
31:48That was one big building.
31:51Yeah.
31:54I cleared it in under 30 seconds.
31:56>> You what now? I cleared that door in
31:58under 30 seconds. You guys would have
32:00been proud.
32:02I'm sorry, but you guys would have been
32:04proud.
32:05>> Okay. So, the mechanic took the bike in
32:06the back to prep it.
32:08>> Yes, sir.
32:08>> Okay. Then what happened?
32:11>> Uh sit around for a few moments, get sit
32:15around the middle. Uh they were writing
32:17paperwork.
32:19>> Sit around the middle.
32:21>> The building is very large. It's a
32:2310,000t building.
32:24>> Okay.
32:25uh spoken to a front area of the
32:26showroom. Second area was a showroom. I
32:29believe there's a tertiary area of the
32:31showroom.
32:32>> Then there's a back area that is
32:36um mechanic repair
32:40stolen [ __ ]
32:41>> Okay.
32:42>> Uh middle section is an office,
32:45bathrooms, office right behind where the
32:48front counter is.
32:49>> So when you said middle section, was
32:51that where you're at? Was the office?
32:53>> No, sir. That was in the second section.
32:55I was in the third section.
33:01I may be off on on this because they
33:04this part of the building wrapped around
33:05the office and then went around. So it
33:09may just look like another section, but
33:10it
33:11>> part of the
33:16building wrapped around.
33:18>> Mhm.
33:23the section as it should.
33:24>> Yes, sir.
33:26>> In that section, they have the glass up
33:29front. You have the glass um display,
33:32then the office, the bathrooms,
33:35little mini showroom.
33:45Okay.
33:46the glass display and
33:49>> the mini
33:50>> mini showroom.
33:52>> Mini
33:53show room.
33:56>> That was all part of the office and the
33:58>> bathroom office
34:01and
34:03bath
34:05rooms. Okay.
34:07>> Uh proceed to go to the back mechanics
34:10area where
34:12you use big boards.
34:19Sorry.
34:19>> Oh, no.
34:21>> You proceeded to go to the back
34:23mechanics area.
34:24>> Mechanics area where the mechanics was
34:28prepping the bike.
34:43Okay.
34:45walked up, pulled out the beretta, put
34:48the safety off,
34:52walked.
34:55I should carry it around the chamber at
34:56that time
34:58out the
35:06red. In incidentally, the reason why the
35:08Sig U 516 in the in the building had a
35:12round in it with a safety on is because
35:14I took Kayla for a walk without her
35:16handcuffs or leg chains. Took her for a
35:18walk around the property one day.
35:21>> Okay.
35:21>> So, you pulled out the Beretta and what
35:23happened?
35:24>> Um, shot the mechanic twice.
35:28Downward angle.
35:30>> Nice shot.
35:40Say that again. I just dangle angle. He
35:43was he was beneath me. He was down.
35:45Crash down on this side of the bike.
35:48Bike was here. I'm on this side. So I
35:50had to lean over the bike and
35:53I believe it was two. Two shots.
35:57>> It may have been two. It may have been
35:58three, but it definitely was two at a
36:00downward angle. You shot him hand twice
36:02at a downward angle.
36:05Maybe twice. Twice. Maybe third time. I
36:07don't remember the count
36:17on one side. You don't want to waste
36:18rounds. The other side you definitely
36:19need a desired effect.
36:20>> Do you
36:23Did he Where did he fall? Are then
36:26>> immediately there?
36:27>> Okay.
36:30I believe those were were with were were
36:32with the Remington 147 grain subsonics.
36:37That would be the brass casings.
36:40>> I believe those
36:42were
36:44with the Say that again.
36:47>> Remington
36:50147 grain
36:53subsonics.
36:55They're made for suppressors, which
36:57would be the brass casings.
37:02A crappy round, by the way.
37:13Okay.
37:15Um,
37:17he hit the ground when I realized he was
37:20not moving. He was not going to proceed.
37:23Um,
37:26>> I moved to the to the right.
37:28>> Hold on for me. When I realized
37:34he
37:36was not
37:39going to proceed,
37:43>> is that that's what you said?
37:44>> I got even two long two lung shots.
37:47Okay. I got each long.
37:54>> You got him in two long shots.
37:56>> Yes, sir.
38:00>> If you can get up from that,
38:03I'm impressed.
38:06>> Okay. Then what happened?
38:08>> Uh once I realized that he was no longer
38:10a threat, I immediately proceeded
38:13towards the front of the building.
38:16Hold on. He was
38:19no longer a
38:24threat. I
38:27proceeded
38:30to
38:32the
38:34front of the
38:38building.
38:39>> The reason why you didn't get any
38:41fingerprints.
38:42>> Okay, hold on.
38:45The reason
38:49why
38:51you
38:52didn't
38:54get any
38:58finger prints
39:01is on the door. I use my knuckles
39:04instead of my hand. My hand to open the
39:06door.
39:20And the reason you have no points on the
39:22on the shell casings
39:24>> Mhm.
39:24>> is I wear two pairs of gloves when
39:26loading every firearm. Even in practice.
39:29>> Okay.
39:30>> Even my practice ammo doesn't get finger
39:31blinds.
39:34That's why I don't have to worry about
39:35picking up shell cases.
39:45If you wear one pair, you can still have
39:48a laden print because of the acids in
39:50your finger. In regard to that when they
39:51touched, you still if you had that if
39:53you had any chemicals on the outside
39:54that you had touched first before you
39:56touch it, it can put a print on it. Even
39:57though you didn't you had gloves, if you
40:00wear a glove on top of the glove, it
40:02causes friction between the two of them
40:03that negates that.
40:06So when you're talking about you're
40:07talking about latex gloves?
40:08>> Yes, sir. But if you wear two pairs, not
40:10one,
40:11>> uh, one pair won't work.
40:13>> So you use two pair of gloves.
40:15>> Yes, sir.
40:16>> Latex gloves.
40:18>> Mhm.
40:21>> 5 mil preferred, not the surgical.
40:23>> Okay.
40:24>> 5 mil.
40:25>> Yeah.
40:267 mil is too tight. It's too thick.
40:3011 mil. 911 though are good for
40:32searching but they're not good for
40:34context
40:35pair of gloves latex gloves
40:38>> to load my you said your guns.
40:42>> Yes, sir.
40:45>> Okay.
40:45>> Every time. Every time.
40:47>> Every time.
40:49>> In the event that I'm trying to If you
40:51when you go back to the land when you
40:53open the toolbox up and you open
40:55everything, you'll notice I keep a mass
40:58amount of mags loaded.
41:01I don't have time sometimes in my mind
41:04to worry about which ones are this and
41:07which ones are that. Okay.
41:09>> So, the easy solution is let's not screw
41:12it up. Always wear gloves. Clothes are
41:14cheap.
41:14>> Okay. So, then what happened?
41:17>> Um, soon as I broke through, there was a
41:19blackish
41:21door.
41:23Kind of aish
41:25thingy kind of.
41:26>> You broke through the door?
41:28>> No, sir. It wasn't a door door.
41:30>> Okay.
41:31>> It's one of those um like fly catcher
41:33kind of doors, but it was like one of
41:34those kind of things.
41:35>> Okay.
41:38>> Like a fat. You said the fabric.
41:40>> Um plastic.
41:43It wasn't a door like door knobs.
41:46I just put my hand through and pushed it
41:48forward. When I pushed it went through
41:49it, it kind of parted.
41:50>> Soft door.
41:51>> Soft door.
41:53>> All right. I pushed
41:59drew it and it
42:04parted. Yes, sir.
42:06>> Okay.
42:06>> At that time, all three and that
42:10manager, owner, and the mom,
42:13>> the
42:15manager,
42:18owner,
42:20and
42:23mom.
42:24>> Mhm. were all they were had heard the
42:27gunshots obviously
42:28>> were all
42:30>> standing there
42:33>> standing
42:34there would you say they heard
42:37>> they had heard the gunshots in the back
42:39and were coming this way to figure out
42:40what had What happened?
43:14by the way the 38 revolver that she
43:17recovered.
43:17>> Mhm.
43:19>> Um that's actually my mom's. It was my
43:22grandmother's. My grandfather was being
43:23an [ __ ] to me. No one else was
43:25supposed to have it. She used to ask for
43:27it for years. I doubt you guys can do
43:29this as evidence, but that truthfully
43:33that one gun, only that one gun really
43:36does belong to her. Um,
43:39grandfather gave it to me to be an
43:41[ __ ] to her.
43:44>> So, after that point, you said they came
43:46they were coming back to figure out what
43:48happened.
43:49>> Came back to see what happened. Um, I
43:52had all a sudden I had three people in
43:54front of me. I dropped the mirrors. I'm
43:56sorry. All of a sudden,
44:01I had
44:04three
44:07people in front of me in front of me.
44:12Mom was the closest and mom was
44:18the
44:20closest.
44:21And I shot her two to three times in the
44:23chest.
44:25>> Not my best work. Her
44:28pattern was horrible.
44:30>> Two. Two.
44:31>> I was actually surprised.
44:32>> Three.
44:33>> And her being there. My pattern was
44:35horrible.
44:35>> In the chest.
44:40>> She She fell.
44:42The
44:44son and manager. Son, the the owner and
44:47the manager ran for the door.
44:51Took off.
44:51>> Okay, hold on. the owner and
44:55the
44:58manager.
45:00You said ran from the ran for the door.
45:02>> Yeah.
45:03>> At that range, they should have ran to
45:06me, not away.
45:08They were way too close.
45:10When I came around that door, it was
45:13boom. Three people right there.
45:15>> Okay. So then what happened? They ran to
45:16the door.
45:17>> They ran to the door. Um, in the process
45:21of that,
45:23>> I
45:26emptied topped a few rounds topped one.
45:29I don't know which one was which. in the
45:32>> in the process
45:33>> process
45:34>> of them running
45:35>> of them
45:38running.
45:40I popped
45:44>> a few rounds
45:46>> and got one of them in the back
45:48>> and got one of
46:03darker than my hand.
46:04>> One of them in the back. Is that where
46:06it stops?
46:07>> I can give you less details if you like.
46:08>> No, you're doing great.
46:10>> I got one of
46:13>> them
46:15in the back.
46:18>> And he crumpled indoor.
46:21He
46:23crumpled
46:25in the
46:28door. Okay. Did a tactical reload. I
46:33did a
46:36tactical
46:40reload
46:42>> and dropped the other one
46:44>> before we got out the door.
46:46>> Dropped
46:49the
46:51other
46:53>> I put I believe two maybe three rounds
46:56in him. I'm not sure the count.
46:58>> Hold on. Before he
47:00dropped the other one before he got to
47:02the door.
47:03>> The let me back door pathways here.
47:07>> Mhm.
47:08>> I engaged the first first people here at
47:10the all three here.
47:12>> Right.
47:14>> At this point, these two ran.
47:16>> Okay. While they were running,
47:18>> I emptied it and got this guy.
47:20>> Okay.
47:21>> Then proceeded to go did a reload while
47:26this guy was still running this guy. But
47:28I when I hit him
47:29>> Mhm.
47:30>> he crumpled into the doorway.
47:32>> Okay.
47:34>> When I did my reload before this guy got
47:36out
47:37>> I put two in him before he before and he
47:39actually fell outside.
47:41>> Okay.
47:42>> So, but he already had two in.
47:43>> So, he crumpled in the door. I did a
47:46tactical reload and dropped the other
47:48one before he got to the door.
47:53>> He He fell outside. Sir,
47:55>> when you say you got him, you mean you
47:57shot him twice, but when he fell, he
47:59fell out the door?
48:00>> Yes, sir.
48:01>> He He actually The body actually ended
48:03up being in the parking lot.
48:04>> That's So that would make sense. So he
48:05he you you dropped and dropped the other
48:10one before he got to the door, but he
48:12fell out the door.
48:13>> He fell out the door.
48:14>> Okay.
48:18That was a very fast reload.
48:23>> Okay. Then what happened?
48:26>> Um went forward.
48:29I'm not entirely sure if I
48:34I think I may have put another round in
48:38the guy in the door when I went over
48:39him.
48:44But I'm not certain on that one.
48:47At at any point,
48:51>> I think I may have put another round in
48:55the
48:55>> the guy in the door.
48:56>> Guy in
48:58>> as I went over door.
49:01>> Yes, sir.
49:03>> At any point, did anybody I mean, was
49:05there There was nobody else. Okay. There
49:08was nobody else. But did anybody as they
49:12were falling
49:14I mean did they did they look at you?
49:17Did they face you? Did did they say
49:20anything to you? Was there any
49:22conversation?
49:24Don't please whatever.
49:26>> No sir.
49:26>> With any of this? I don't remember
49:27hearing any of that. I I will tell you
49:30that once I engaged I was engaged.
49:33>> Okay.
49:34>> Um so it's at that point it's almost
49:36like a video game. It's not a game, but
49:38it's almost like you you're focused on
49:43You've been there, sir. You know what
49:44I'm talking about.
49:46>> So,
49:48as you went over him, you put around the
49:50guy as you went over him,
49:51>> I think.
49:52>> Okay.
49:52>> I'm not positive. I
49:56>> think, but nobody put their hands up
49:57that I know of. At least I don't
49:59remember it. And nobody said anything
50:00other than basically, oh [ __ ] went
50:03through the door.
50:07I don't remember anyone
50:11saying
50:13anything
50:17or
50:19anyone
50:21putting their hands up.
50:23>> Was he showing my hand?
50:26>> I don't know.
50:28>> I'm just asking.
50:29>> It's just a natural. So that's where
50:31just ask them
50:32>> once once they saw me engaged the engage
50:35the lady. I mean their their entire
50:37mission was to get out that door. That's
50:39all they that's all they wanted.
50:40>> So then what what did you do?
50:42>> Went out to the front parking lot
50:46and I put um I put a round through the
50:49guy's doorhead.
50:53>> Where was he at?
50:54>> In the parking lot.
50:56>> I mean exactly where?
50:58>> Uh go through the front door. Go right
51:01went out to the front parking lot
51:02>> maybe 12 ft away
51:03>> and put one
51:08ground
51:10in. Now who was that? Is that the
51:12manager or the owner? You don't
51:13remember?
51:14>> It's one.
51:15>> Okay. Put one in. Put one in.
51:24Okay. Then what did you do? proceeded to
51:26walk back to the building again to
51:28clear. And as I went, proceeded
51:33to
51:34walk
51:36back through the building
51:39>> through
51:41the
51:44building.
51:46And as I did, I put one round in each
51:49person's forehead.
51:50>> Clear.
51:52And as I did, I put one in each
52:03person's forehead.
52:07Forehead? Yes, sir. And then what did
52:10you do? Uh, that point put the gun on
52:14safety
52:15and walked outside and got in my car and
52:18drove home.
52:20>> Okay. What kind of car were you driving?
52:23>> A 91 Acura Legend and it was a
52:29gray
52:31brown color.
52:32>> Okay.
52:33>> You put the gun on safety
52:35>> and got
52:38into
52:40my What year is it?
52:42>> 91.
52:43>> 1991. Was it twodoor? Four-door.
52:45>> Two door.
52:46>> Two door
52:48gray. It's a dark gray with a brownish
52:51tint. It's a weird
52:53>> It's pretty color
52:56>> tint
52:58Acura.
52:59>> Mhm.
52:59>> Integra.
53:00>> No, sir.
53:01>> Oh, was it
53:02>> Legend? I'm sorry.
53:03>> They don't make them anymore.
53:04>> That car was awesome for what it was
53:07>> then. Where did you go?
53:08>> Home.
53:09>> Okay.
53:14>> What did you do with the gun?
53:16>> Took the gun apart.
53:19Uh, every bit of it apart. Took all my
53:22trash.
53:24The barrel was separated from spring on
53:28the slide.
53:29>> I took all
53:33my trash. You mean when you say trash,
53:35what do you mean by trash?
53:36>> It was at Hung.
53:38>> Okay.
53:39>> All the trash in my house.
53:40>> Oh. Oh, you so you emptied all the trash
53:42from your house. Put it down in the same
53:44bags.
53:44>> Okay. And I took
53:48you said start you start you took all
53:51the trash and then you said I took what
53:52the barrel
53:53>> the I'm not sure which parts were which
53:56but the I took my cat when I had a cat
53:58at the time I took the cat litter and I
54:00stuck
54:02>> the barrel or the frame or something.
54:03One part went in into the bag of used
54:06cat litter
54:08and that got thrown in the trash in the
54:09in the dumpster.
54:13Then the other parts got thrown into
54:14other bags and thrown in the dumpster.
54:17>> It took the handle for one part in it.
54:21And
54:22>> if you if you guys don't get the barrel,
54:24you have a hell of a time to unlist.
54:27>> Firing pin will give you make maybe make
54:30a weapon. Extractor will give you make
54:32maybe model
54:34>> a weapon. Gives it to y'all.
54:36>> You took the cat litter and put one part
54:38in
54:39>> in it and put it in the dumpster. Okay.
54:42And then what did you do?
54:43>> Put all the other parts in other trash
54:45and we hit trash day.
54:47>> Put all the other
54:51parts
54:53in other trash.
54:56>> Trash.
54:57>> And it also went into the dumpster.
54:59>> All the way into the hunt club dumpster.
55:11If it hadn't been so long, you guys
55:13could have actually pulled records and
55:14actually gone and figure out where they
55:15put it. But at this point, it's kind of
55:16a mid point.
55:18Okay.
55:20Um,
55:39you fill out the top portion for
55:40>> I got it. Okay.
55:44>> I had a couple clarifying questions I
55:45may need to ask. Okay. I I got some
55:49um
55:56when the guy was shot that was when the
55:59guy got out of the building.
56:01>> Mhm.
56:02>> Did he have anything in his hand?
56:04>> Do you recall?
56:05>> I don't remember. Okay.
56:11>> I was focused on moving bodies. I wasn't
56:13focused on anything. If it wasn't a gun,
56:16I assume they had a gun.
56:17>> Mhm.
56:18>> This is the south.
56:19>> Mhm.
56:20>> That's a bike shop.
56:22>> Okay.
56:23>> I'm going to assume on the safety side
56:25that they probably were carrying or or
56:27had something close by.
56:28>> Do you know who you shot with what ammo?
56:34>> You you told me about the first guy.
56:36>> Yeah.
56:37>> But the rest of them
56:40you you did a tactical magazine change.
56:42I don't I don't spray that bad.
56:44>> Okay.
56:44>> Um it probably wasn't my best work, but
56:47it I don't spray that bad.
56:49>> So So you shot the gun the mechanic you
56:52said with the
56:53>> those the first two rounds would have
56:55been the the the brass.
56:59>> Okay.
57:00>> The lady would have been all brass.
57:02>> Okay. The
57:06third guy, the the the guy, the manager
57:09part, whatever the third before they got
57:10in the doorway may have been he would
57:14have started out with brass.
57:17>> After the reload, it would have been
57:19nickel. The guy outside should have been
57:22all nickel.
57:26>> Zero, sir.
57:29>> Yes, sir. Your social security last for
57:310411, correct? Yes sir.
57:34>> So the guy outside would have been all
57:36brass per
57:37>> all all nickel
57:39>> should have been.
57:40>> Okay. And then the guy in the doorway
57:43>> the only way the only way the last guy
57:45would have got any brass in him
57:47>> would have been in the process of when
57:48they first took off and I was trying to
57:50slow them down for the door and he might
57:52have got something in him. Okay.
57:55>> But most of him would have gotten there.
57:58Okay.
58:00What I'm going to do
58:02is let you read over this.
58:05Okay.
58:06>> Okay.
58:06>> There are a couple places here that I
58:09made a mistake when cuz you use big
58:12words and talk kind of fast. Um I I just
58:14drew one line so you still read the
58:16word. Okay. What I need you to do is go
58:19through and initial initial and date
58:22each one of those for me as you read
58:24through this to make sure this is
58:25accurate.
58:25>> Yes, sir.
58:26>> Okay.
58:29So my contracts
58:58Some of my handwriting may be hard to
59:00read. So if you have a problem, let me
59:01know.
59:01>> Trust me, if it was my handwriting, it
59:03would be understand.
59:06>> I can't I can't criticize when I can't
59:08do any better.
59:15I'll go ahead and put how many pages I
59:18>> I'll get that.
59:19>> I just wrote the time down
59:25>> initials and
59:26>> the date and then I'm going to do the
59:28same.
59:28>> Five or six
59:30>> five.
59:38And if that's accurate, sign right there
59:40for me
59:43and you'll get a copy. Just like you got
59:45a copy of your Miranda forms, I'll give
59:47you a copy of this as well.
59:49>> I'll get a copy.
59:54I'll sit around and read it.
59:582000 when it was done.
1:00:00>> Okay.
1:00:02I just can't talk. I need to get out of
1:00:04that room or give me a book. They gave
1:00:06me a Bible, but it's
1:00:08Fifth day of November. Correct, sir?
1:00:14>> Since I brought you, you'll have to
1:00:15witness it.
1:00:35>> Anything like Trump or uh Kill her. I'm
1:00:38scared to know
1:00:40you are in the way.
1:00:43There's a pen for you.
1:01:07What' I put? I'm sorry.
1:01:11>> What's the Betta
1:01:12>> FS?
1:01:13>> I'm sorry.
1:01:22>> Could just initial that there.
1:01:32They don't say 927s going back.
1:02:36I'm going to just count time until we
1:02:37get on my knees.
1:02:41If you get hungry through this process,
1:02:43too, we'll get you something else to
1:02:44eat, too. Okay.
1:02:46Or if you want something cold to drink.
1:02:51Stay.
1:03:02Um,
1:03:03sir,
1:03:04>> yes.
1:03:06>> Does I want to shoot other customers?
1:03:08>> I'm sorry.
1:03:21You want just initial?
1:03:28>> You're like me. You talk really fast.
1:03:30So,
1:03:33>> you ask me when I'm making a deal.
1:03:35>> Sir, you ask me when I'm making a deal.
1:03:38>> I was in sales once or another.
1:03:53Please God.
1:04:20I got it.
1:04:34All
1:05:01right.
1:05:24I'm going try to get that taste before
1:05:25me.
1:05:27Were any of them carrying a gun?
1:05:30>> I don't know. I don't know that. I don't
1:05:32know.
1:05:32>> I read the report. There was money big.
1:05:35The guy had like 10 grand in cash and a
1:05:37gun in the in the office, but I would
1:05:40have taken it.
1:05:44Let's move.
1:06:01I think Mr. R is going to rolled over by
1:06:04tomorrow.
1:06:06There you go.
1:06:07>> Oh, this is the last one. I'm sorry.
1:06:11And when we get done, I do have some
1:06:12clarifying additional clarifying things
1:06:14I need to ask you.
1:06:59Okay, I want to leave that part open for
1:07:00him real quick. Um, because I need to
1:07:03ask you a couple clarifying questions.
1:07:05Um,
1:07:07you said you you you mentioned in here
1:07:09exactly where you shot her.
1:07:12>> Mhm.
1:07:12>> And then you said you shot and where you
1:07:14shot the mechanic
1:07:16>> when you shot him. The other two
1:07:18gentlemen as they were running, you
1:07:19mentioned you shot one of them in the
1:07:21back. Do you know as the other one was
1:07:24running where you shot him? where he was
1:07:26hit.
1:07:27>> No, sir.
1:07:28>> Okay.
1:07:29>> Um,
1:07:31moving targets.
1:07:32>> Mhm.
1:07:32>> Multiple moving targets.
1:07:37>> Um,
1:07:39I don't think I missed. If I did, it
1:07:41wasn't more than once.
1:07:42>> Okay. Um,
1:07:43>> but I mean, it it's not an easy shot
1:07:45when you got two moving targets running
1:07:48fast as they can. The guy that was
1:07:50outside the outside part,
1:07:53>> was he up against anything? Was he touch
1:07:56laying on any? Was he where?
1:07:58>> I think the curb.
1:07:59>> The curb. Was there anything else
1:08:01nearby?
1:08:01>> I don't remember anything.
1:08:03>> Okay.
1:08:03>> I scanned the parking lot, but that's it
1:08:05was nothing moved. I went back to
1:08:08>> Did you
1:08:11through your story, you didn't say it,
1:08:13so but I just want to clarify. Did you
1:08:15hit anybody or pistol whip anybody? No,
1:08:17sir.
1:08:18>> Okay.
1:08:20Um,
1:08:21sir.
1:08:22>> Huh?
1:08:23>> I may shoot somebody is one thing,
1:08:25>> right?
1:08:26>> But I'm not a
1:08:28pistol whipping and beating somebody is
1:08:30not my thing.
1:08:31>> Did you when you were first there, did
1:08:35you see a customer leaving a green Ford
1:08:38Ranger pickup truck?
1:08:40>> I don't remember.
1:08:41>> You don't remember? Okay.
1:08:43>> I know a guy came in with a kid looking
1:08:46for a go-kart and left. Okay.
1:08:52>> Cuz I intentionally waited till they
1:08:54were gone to add
1:08:59a guy
1:09:02came in
1:09:05looking
1:09:07for a
1:09:10go-kart
1:09:12with his kid.
1:09:16And
1:09:18I
1:09:19waited
1:09:21for
1:09:23them to leave.
1:09:26>> Yes, sir.
1:09:26>> Okay.
1:09:27>> Worst thing I want to do is shoot a kid.
1:09:29>> And that's the best of your everything
1:09:31in there. The best of your knowledge.
1:09:32>> Best of my knowledge.
1:09:33>> Okay.
1:09:35>> I didn't see anybody else in the parking
1:09:37lot. If they were, they were leaving.
1:09:38And if they heard anything, they were
1:09:40leaving really damn fast
1:09:42cuz nothing was suppressed.
1:09:50Who got pistol whipped?
1:09:52>> I don't don't know. Nobody may have, but
1:09:56there was there was an injury that may
1:09:59was there was an unexplained injury. So
1:10:01that's what I was asking.
1:10:02>> No, sir. I didn't hit anybody with any
1:10:04question.
1:10:05Let us see here Tom
1:10:08Clark
1:10:10at my
1:10:12request
1:10:16as
1:10:17I
1:10:19dictated.
1:10:21Okay. And what I need you to do since
1:10:23you've already signed it once, but I
1:10:25added that bottom part. I just need you
1:10:26to sign it again for me.
1:10:28>> Just below it.
1:10:29>> Yeah, just below it.
1:10:34And if you'll put this time. Well,
1:10:37that's fine. You can just I'll have him
1:10:39witness it this way.
1:10:49Is there anything else you can think of?
1:10:53Okay. Um,
1:10:56we're going to step out. I got do some
1:10:58few a few things. Um, and then I'll come
1:11:02back in and talk to you in a few
1:11:03minutes. Do you need anything else to
1:11:05drink?
1:11:07>> If you get something, I'll take it.
1:11:08>> You add water or soda or
1:11:10>> whatever's convenient.
1:11:11>> Okay. I'll see what we I'll see what we
1:11:13can wrangle up for you.
1:11:47Yeah. What was that?
1:11:50>> We'll be right back, buddy. What? Don't
1:11:52want to use what
1:11:53>> you wanted.
1:11:54>> Oh, my card.
1:11:55>> Ashley. password number. Okay, we'll be
1:11:57right back.
1:11:59>> I'll just stay here.
1:12:00>> Okay, buddy.
1:12:12What are you going for dinner?
1:12:14>> You missed dinner over there. That
1:12:16barbecue wasn't enough. What do you
1:12:17want?
1:12:18>> What do you have for me?
1:12:19>> No, I'm asking you. What do you want?
1:12:24Uh,
1:12:26I don't want to be an [ __ ] Um,
1:12:28>> shut that door, Mark. You're not being
1:12:31[ __ ] I'm I'm telling I'm asking you
1:12:33what what do you want for dinner?
1:12:35>> Uh,
1:12:37I don't know.
1:12:39>> We We've got
1:12:40>> Bojangles around here. We've got Miami
1:12:43Grill around here. We've got We've got
1:12:45the
1:12:47>> Whatever you want, man. Springs cookout.
1:12:49Whatever. What's your What do you like
1:12:50to eat?
1:12:51>> Cookout will work. I just It'll work.
1:12:52What do you like from Cookout?
1:12:53>> Never been there.
1:12:55>> Yes, sir.
1:12:56>> They have a really good It's called a
1:12:57giant cheeseburger.
1:13:00Um giant fries and a giant tea. I really
1:13:03get it.
1:13:03>> Works for me.
1:13:04>> That's what I usually get.
1:13:05>> Okay. All right. I'll be right back.
1:13:07>> I I just don't want to be that the guy I
1:13:09want the losser. He's an [ __ ]
1:13:11>> Well, no. Whatever you want to eat, I'm
1:13:13I'm feeding you. Thank you. But I mean
1:13:15Okay.
1:13:50got you.
1:13:51>> I didn't know.
1:13:53>> Okay. Yeah. Got you a
1:13:57Did they make them huge?
1:13:59They call them huge at at um
1:14:02cookout.
1:14:03>> Cool.
1:14:04>> It's a huge tea. It's a huge burger. I
1:14:06didn't know. So, I just went with the
1:14:07normal lettuce, tomato, pickle, mustard,
1:14:09mayonnaise, and I got you huge fries.
1:14:11>> Cool. Thank you.
1:14:13>> Um, need to ask you a quick clarifying
1:14:15question.
1:14:15>> Okay.
1:14:16>> And I'm done with that statement, man.
1:14:18So,
1:14:20this is yours. You keep it, but I'm done
1:14:21with it. As long as I have this, I don't
1:14:23care.
1:14:23>> Yeah, you're good. No, this is yours.
1:14:25I'm talking about me writing statements.
1:14:26This is just me and you talking.
1:14:28Although, we got some other to talk
1:14:29about. That's what I'm going to ask you.
1:14:32First of all, after you left,
1:14:35what was your what was your route home?
1:14:39Did you go back down Paris bridge road?
1:14:41How did you get home?
1:14:42>> Same. I'm I'm a creature of had
1:14:45>> So, you left CVS, come up Shley, and
1:14:47then went up Paris bridge, the road
1:14:50right next there, or do you remember?
1:14:53>> Give me a moment.
1:14:54>> Okay.
1:14:59Because that's part of Poland Springs to
1:15:01this day gets to be confused with.
1:15:06I believe CVS left the park on CVS went
1:15:10right which would be Shelby Bridge. Is
1:15:13that right?
1:15:14>> Within Shelly Bridge.
1:15:16>> Yes. Uh that should be Old Furnace. You
1:15:19go left, cross over the fourway, and
1:15:22keep booking and booking and booking and
1:15:24booking.
1:15:24>> Say that again now. If if you leave CVS,
1:15:28>> there we go.
1:15:30>> The map is excellent.
1:15:31>> Okay. Highway 9 is here.
1:15:34>> CVS is here.
1:15:36>> Okay. There's a road next to CVS right
1:15:39here. Yes, sir.
1:15:40>> And then you go on up on Highway 9 and
1:15:42then this is Parish Road and it
1:15:45eventually comes down here to Highway 9.
1:15:47>> Okay.
1:15:48>> Okay. So, right here at CVS, did you
1:15:51were here at CVS? Did you go up Highway
1:15:539 or did you go this road to Parish
1:15:55Bridge?
1:15:57Cuz you're talking about Old Furnace.
1:15:59Old Furnace is up near the high school
1:16:01and all that.
1:16:02>> I didn't go by the high school.
1:16:04>> Okay. This road right here would have
1:16:05taken you by um Balloon Farms, that
1:16:08little farm thing on the left.
1:16:10>> Peach shed.
1:16:11>> It's like a peach shed and stuff like
1:16:12that.
1:16:13>> It's been a long time.
1:16:14>> Right.
1:16:16Well, after you left the CVS, do you
1:16:17remember going up Highway 9 or do you
1:16:19remember? You don't remember
1:16:22>> knowing me? Mhm.
1:16:23>> I would have taken this and going that
1:16:24route.
1:16:24>> Okay. And you came back the same way?
1:16:27>> Yes.
1:16:28>> Okay. Cuz you mentioned the fourway.
1:16:32>> Well, well, on up. There's a fourway on
1:16:34Paris Creek Road.
1:16:35>> There is.
1:16:36>> There's a stop light.
1:16:37>> Gas station's on the right hand side. If
1:16:39you make a left, it takes you down past
1:16:41nothing.
1:16:41>> That's on the front of
1:16:42>> goes on.
1:16:44That's old road because that takes you
1:16:46to the high school.
1:16:49>> Yeah, I think that's not the way. So,
1:16:51you came up this little road right here
1:16:54and went up Paris Road.
1:16:57>> You know, I'm not entirely sure. Okay,
1:16:59that's fine. It was how many years ago?
1:17:02>> 14.
1:17:03>> Yeah. So, maybe you're not sure.
1:17:05>> My name details are numbers.
1:17:06>> Okay.
1:17:07>> Um, let me Can you hand me that for a
1:17:10second? I'm going to throw it outside
1:17:12>> one more time. No, it's not when you
1:17:14talk about the weapons.
1:17:16>> Hold on a second.
1:17:18>> You want me to talk about the weapons?
1:17:28>> Hang on, son.
1:17:31Okay.
1:17:31>> Hey, I'm kind of glad I'm not gone.
1:17:34>> I wish that one was gone. Um, I can take
1:17:37these off, right? Um,
1:17:41you had mentioned to your mom
1:17:45>> and that we when we had talked at the
1:17:47jail that there were others and you told
1:17:50your mom
1:17:52she didn't have enough hands.
1:17:54>> I had some altercations in Arizona.
1:17:56>> Okay.
1:17:57>> Um, I don't remember all the details. I
1:17:59had a friend of mine that got shot come
1:18:01out coming out of the alleyway.
1:18:04>> Okay.
1:18:05>> I found the guy later on. Who was your
1:18:08friend that got shot?
1:18:09>> Uh, Michael something. I was a kid. I
1:18:11don't remember. Michael something.
1:18:13>> Do you remember the guy that you shot?
1:18:15>> I never knew his name.
1:18:16>> You never knew his name?
1:18:17>> He He drove a
1:18:21Nova. Great Nova.
1:18:22>> What year was that, you think? Or how
1:18:25old were you?
1:18:26>> 14.
1:18:26>> You were 14 at the time.
1:18:29>> Okay. Um
1:18:31>> my my understanding is there was some
1:18:33kid who wanted to be in a gang and was
1:18:35doing his initiation
1:18:36>> and his initiation was to shoot your
1:18:38friend.
1:18:39>> We were just two kids coming out of an
1:18:40alley. We weren't part of nothing. We
1:18:42were part of nothing.
1:18:44>> That was his initiation.
1:18:45>> Yes, sir.
1:18:46>> Wow.
1:18:47Um
1:18:50have you
1:18:53killed anybody else in Spartanberg?
1:18:56>> No, sir.
1:18:57>> Have you killed anybody else in South
1:18:59Carolina? No sir.
1:19:01>> Other than
1:19:03the the boy in Arizona and superb bikes
1:19:07and the ones that we have on the
1:19:08property,
1:19:09>> have you killed anybody else?
1:19:13And this is where I ask you this.
1:19:16>> Is that enough?
1:19:17>> I do. But no, no, no. This is the thing.
1:19:20No, this is the thing.
1:19:23This is not to drive any home or
1:19:25anything like that, okay? You had your
1:19:28moment in here with your mom and this is
1:19:30your opportunity to get everything. It
1:19:33It's not You know what I'm saying? It's
1:19:35your opportunity to get everything out
1:19:36of the way.
1:19:38You know, because you're going to be
1:19:39sitting in in a cell
1:19:42>> and and there's going to be long times
1:19:44and and you're a compassionate person.
1:19:47I'm a compassionate person. Okay. In the
1:19:49heat of the moment when somebody pisses
1:19:51you off, you may want to beat the [ __ ]
1:19:54out of them, shoot them, stab them, kill
1:19:55them, whatever. But when you're laying
1:19:57there at night, it's going it may bother
1:20:00you.
1:20:01You see what I'm saying?
1:20:02>> Mhm.
1:20:03>> And that's the only reason I'm asking.
1:20:05>> That's always a shot.
1:20:06>> That's the only ones you've shot.
1:20:08>> Okay. Um
1:20:11>> I didn't want to have to explain numbers
1:20:12on the phone. I sure didn't want to get
1:20:14numbers of four. It's It's already hard
1:20:17enough. I know you guys are listening.
1:20:19>> Actually, we have
1:20:21>> I'm surprised. I actually thought
1:20:23>> you haven't made it.
1:20:25>> I got one. I got a phone call yesterday.
1:20:27Finally got a phone call.
1:20:31>> But you you said that you knew that you
1:20:32you said there that I had your mom
1:20:34reached out to
1:20:35>> Your mom reached out and she told she
1:20:38actually
1:20:39>> you told her to reach out to me.
1:20:40>> I did.
1:20:41>> Okay. Well, she inadvertently reached
1:20:43out somehow through to the solicitor's
1:20:46office
1:20:48who reached out to me.
1:20:49>> Okay. So that's how I met with one of
1:20:51their investigators and he told me that
1:20:55your mom had reached out to him
1:20:57>> and he told me what she had said.
1:21:01>> Mhm.
1:21:01>> And then we went from there talking.
1:21:04>> Mhm.
1:21:04>> So that's how all that transpired.
1:21:06>> Okay.
1:21:07>> Okay. Um
1:21:10there uh there there is a recording
1:21:12probably. I don't have I I I don't you
1:21:15know I don't I don't
1:21:16>> I gave you everything. Okay. So
1:21:19>> Okay. So there's no one because and I
1:21:22was told to ask you there's two missing
1:21:24people out of
1:21:27>> Gaston.
1:21:30I can't remember that. And it's
1:21:31irrelevant.
1:21:33You're saying you not killed or harmed
1:21:36anybody else. That's right.
1:21:37>> The other person that you were talking
1:21:38about
1:21:40>> I'm not sure I even killed him.
1:21:41>> Okay. And it was a long
1:21:43>> So when you told mom she didn't have
1:21:45enough fingers,
1:21:46>> I just didn't know what to tell on the
1:21:48phone.
1:21:48>> Okay. So that was kind of not I don't
1:21:50want to say embellishment, but it was
1:21:51just something to
1:21:53>> Didn't want to give her phone numbers.
1:21:55>> I got you.
1:21:55>> I got you.
1:21:56>> Definitely more more than one hand, but
1:21:58um it's not really a bragging kind of
1:22:02>> I understand.
1:22:02>> Some of these knuckleheads may call
1:22:03that. That's cool. I I don't really call
1:22:05that cool. Hey Todd, a while ago you
1:22:07made a statement that said that when you
1:22:09you just said those are the only people
1:22:11I've shot.
1:22:14>> Any other means?
1:22:16>> Okay. I just know that you're very
1:22:18deliberate with what you say.
1:22:21>> Did you stab anybody or anything like
1:22:22that?
1:22:24>> Well, not Yeah, but not like you're
1:22:26thinking I was a kid. I was kid school
1:22:28bus school scissors.
1:22:29>> Okay.
1:22:30>> U stab anybody and kill anybody by
1:22:32stabbing them or anything like that.
1:22:33Okay.
1:22:34>> Okay. And you can call me Tommy. You
1:22:36don't have to call me sir.
1:22:38>> It's just respect.
1:22:40>> How old are you?
1:22:41>> 45.
1:22:42>> What's your name?
1:22:44>> He's sir.
1:22:49>> Okay. Well,
1:22:49>> it it's hard for me not to to say sir. I
1:22:52got you.
1:22:53>> I understand, man. That's it's you know,
1:22:55my kids do that to me.
1:22:57>> Mhm.
1:22:57>> I never told him to. My dad was a
1:23:00military man and his dad was a military
1:23:02man and he would not make me call him
1:23:04sir because he always had to call people
1:23:06sir and I don't make my children call me
1:23:08sir but they did.
1:23:10>> Just just remember too at the beginning
1:23:12we told you that
1:23:14>> there's probably not a lot we're going
1:23:15to be able to do for you.
1:23:16>> I know
1:23:17>> giving you a a clear conscience is one
1:23:19of the only things we can
1:23:20>> honestly I'm not worried about my
1:23:21conscience. You gave me what I wanted.
1:23:24What I wanted was to be have the
1:23:27opportunity
1:23:28to take care of my mom, whether my
1:23:31girlfriend accepts it or not, to at
1:23:33least attempt to take care of her and
1:23:35her kids.
1:23:36>> Do you still want me to reach out and
1:23:38talk? I have not yet, but do you still
1:23:40want me to reach out and talk to her to
1:23:41see if she wants to come see you or talk
1:23:43to you?
1:23:44>> If she would, please.
1:23:45>> Okay, I will.
1:23:46>> The biggest thing is please let her know
1:23:48that whether
1:23:51I screw it up. I can't fix it.
1:23:53>> Mhm.
1:23:55I hope that she doesn't basically let
1:23:57her pride get in the way.
1:24:00>> I've got mom clearing house on trying to
1:24:02sell this stuff off.
1:24:03>> Okay,
1:24:06>> no one's going to get rich here. But the
1:24:08idea is I'd like to be able to get
1:24:09enough money where she is not damaged,
1:24:11where she can basically restart her
1:24:14life,
1:24:14>> okay,
1:24:15>> without
1:24:16>> okay,
1:24:17>> this over her head,
1:24:18>> okay,
1:24:19>> and put the kid through some school.
1:24:21>> She goes up to be something positive,
1:24:24>> okay?
1:24:24um to pass that.
1:24:27That's all I really wanted.
1:24:29>> Okay.
1:24:29>> I mean, mom's going to put some money on
1:24:31my books once once the money is
1:24:33released.
1:24:34>> Okay. And you need to transfer that
1:24:36through the bank on the computer through
1:24:37the bank, right? Or buy the checkbook.
1:24:40>> The easiest way
1:24:42>> would be one of two things. Uh one,
1:24:45release the cash in the safe.
1:24:47>> Mhm.
1:24:47>> As option A.
1:24:49>> Or release the two checkbooks. I don't
1:24:51need the escro checkbook.
1:24:53>> Okay. But I do need the um
1:24:57personal checkbook and the company
1:24:59checkbook.
1:24:59>> What do they what bank account and what
1:25:01are they?
1:25:01>> Both of those are Wells Fargo.
1:25:03>> And they're going to say
1:25:04>> although on the all
1:25:05>> what do they say on them?
1:25:06>> Well,
1:25:09on the on the checks or
1:25:11>> Taco Taco Associates.
1:25:13>> Okay.
1:25:14>> Uh the one I don't need, there's $1,000
1:25:16in that account. That's mine. I did
1:25:17transfer over. So if you want to bring
1:25:19me the escro, there's three.
1:25:20>> I don't know what back up. I don't know
1:25:22what you know I don't know what we're
1:25:24gonna be able to do. I just got
1:25:25>> there is three checkbooks alto together.
1:25:27>> Okay.
1:25:28>> One of them actually says what? Wovi is
1:25:31bluish. Wakovia personal.
1:25:33>> Okay.
1:25:33>> Wovi turned into Wells Fargo.
1:25:35>> Yeah.
1:25:35>> So I left that blue cuz I could tell
1:25:37mine versus the companies.
1:25:39>> Um since I'm an sole proprietor
1:25:42basically the company is me.
1:25:44>> Okay.
1:25:44>> So I pay off of both things. Um,
1:25:48>> if I can just get the checkbooks and
1:25:50write her a check out of each one of
1:25:52them,
1:25:53>> I don't know the total of each account.
1:25:55>> Okay.
1:25:55>> But if I can kick her something,
1:25:58>> okay,
1:25:58>> then we can deal with the rest of the
1:26:01money later.
1:26:01>> Well, that's I mean, we'll I like I
1:26:04said, like I told you in the beginning,
1:26:05I'll do everything I can
1:26:06>> cuz mom doesn't have any money.
1:26:07>> I'll do everything I can. Um,
1:26:09>> I didn't know she was that bad. You
1:26:10know,
1:26:10>> I haven't seen her in years.
1:26:12>> I haven't seen her in years.
1:26:13>> What happened to her hip?
1:26:16Oh man, everything really.
1:26:17>> She's more accidentrone than I am.
1:26:19>> Really,
1:26:20>> if if there's a bump, there's if there's
1:26:21a curve, if there's something out there,
1:26:23that woman will hit it. She won't mean
1:26:25to.
1:26:25>> Well, let me go out here and take care
1:26:26of a few things.
1:26:27>> She's not Well, she was a big girl when
1:26:28I met her. Last time I saw her,
1:26:32>> she will.
1:26:34>> Let me ask you this, too, Todd. In
1:26:37reference to
1:26:39the other two people that we talked
1:26:40about down there, Megan and
1:26:43>> Johnny,
1:26:44>> is there anything that you left out
1:26:47while we were at the jail talking while
1:26:50we were at the detention center talking
1:26:51about them that we need to know? I mean,
1:26:54obviously you told me and make sure that
1:26:56I'm getting this right.
1:26:59You picked them up at Blackstock and you
1:27:02know what? You picked them up at
1:27:03Blackstock and Real Road, I think you
1:27:06said, and then
1:27:08>> that's Well,
1:27:10>> okay.
1:27:11>> To the start.
1:27:12>> I met her there.
1:27:14>> Okay.
1:27:16>> Got her number. We talked on the phone
1:27:18for a brief moment.
1:27:19>> Okay.
1:27:20>> Then I met them later on at that
1:27:25um
1:27:27next to Ricky's Hot Dogs Big Huge
1:27:29parking lot. They walked across.
1:27:31>> Okay. and spoke to me there.
1:27:33>> Okay.
1:27:34>> Um I almost thought she was going to hit
1:27:36on me to actually Come on. I show I was
1:27:39in our car. Um but that's not what I was
1:27:42there for.
1:27:43>> I got you.
1:27:43>> I'm going tell you our meeting looked
1:27:44shitty as [ __ ]
1:27:47>> I understand. I mean I got you cuz you
1:27:48show up with with that
1:27:51>> in that parking lot.
1:27:52>> Yeah. And her kind of the way she was. I
1:27:54understand what you're talking about.
1:27:55Um,
1:28:00basically offered her the job, offered
1:28:01to let him go in and do come work as
1:28:04well. Uh, the next day she The next day,
1:28:07this was over in several days. The next
1:28:09day she was in the paper mug shot. I
1:28:12guess you guys had arrested her for um,
1:28:16meth or some [ __ ] Uh, I don't know.
1:28:20Something was in her bloodstream and you
1:28:21took her kids away.
1:28:22>> Okay.
1:28:23Um, I asked her about it and she
1:28:26informed me that yeah, she had drug
1:28:28issues and
1:28:31with that,
1:28:31>> okay,
1:28:33>> um, I still was going to give him a
1:28:35chance,
1:28:37you know.
1:28:39I get
1:28:40[ __ ] happens to people. It's hard. I get
1:28:43it. Um,
1:28:45going to meet him back there. Actually,
1:28:48I meet there, but they told me the
1:28:50address, which is across the street
1:28:54where they were.
1:28:57>> Do you remember that address?
1:28:58>> You This one you were talking about
1:28:59behind the apartment complex.
1:29:01>> Yes.
1:29:02>> Okay.
1:29:02>> I can't say the address, but another day
1:29:05if you want to.
1:29:06>> Mhm.
1:29:07>> The house is unique enough I can point
1:29:08it out.
1:29:09>> Okay.
1:29:10>> Um cuz it sits on a corner at a at a
1:29:13funky angle.
1:29:15>> I I Okay. You know which house I'm
1:29:17talking about.
1:29:17>> Yeah.
1:29:18>> What happened there?
1:29:20>> What do you mean?
1:29:21>> Well, for you to know that house
1:29:22>> I used to patrol out there years ago. I
1:29:24don't know about what particularly
1:29:25happened out there. I just know that
1:29:27you're talking about
1:29:28>> No. No. When I used to patrol, I
1:29:30patrolled that area.
1:29:31>> Mhm.
1:29:32>> So when you Yeah. When I when you Okay.
1:29:35>> So I mean that's that's I patrolled that
1:29:37area.
1:29:37>> I didn't know something else happened.
1:29:38>> No. Not No. I wasn't a part of it. If
1:29:40>> the house is on a on a corner that's
1:29:43kind of crooked crooked way it's
1:29:45located. Mhm.
1:29:46>> And I picked him up and I drove him to
1:29:49my land of kids supplies.
1:29:51>> Mhm.
1:29:52>> And got him down to my building. And
1:29:55that's when Johnny pulled a knife out.
1:29:58>> Mhm.
1:29:59>> And
1:30:01>> you shot?
1:30:02>> I shot.
1:30:02>> What did you do with his knife?
1:30:04>> I don't know. I don't keep that
1:30:05contract.
1:30:06>> You just threw it out.
1:30:07>> Yeah, that's right.
1:30:08>> Okay.
1:30:09>> I
1:30:09>> What did she do when you shot Johnny?
1:30:11What did she do when Johnny pulled the
1:30:12knife out? What did she say?
1:30:14>> Nothing. So, you think she was planning
1:30:16on the planning of this?
1:30:17>> I think she entirely was in the plan of
1:30:19it. Okay.
1:30:20>> There was there was no,
1:30:23>> oh [ __ ]
1:30:24>> Yeah.
1:30:25>> Uh, Johnny, what are you doing? There
1:30:26was none of that. This was
1:30:28>> her actions were
1:30:31>> she knew he was doing that.
1:30:32>> Mhm.
1:30:33>> They saw a guy who had a shitload of
1:30:35money driving a car they can't afford.
1:30:37>> Mhm.
1:30:37>> They didn't even have a car and they
1:30:40were going to get something.
1:30:42>> Okay. Um,
1:30:43>> so then you shot him how many times?
1:30:47>> Shot him twice. Okay.
1:30:49>> In the chest.
1:30:49>> Okay.
1:30:50>> He dropped forward. He dropped forward.
1:30:53I went around him
1:30:56and put another one through a spinal
1:30:58column.
1:30:59>> Okay. And you shot her?
1:31:02>> Not exactly.
1:31:03>> Okay.
1:31:04>> Um,
1:31:05the ConX was not meant to be a cage.
1:31:10>> Okay.
1:31:12All that chain [ __ ] was after the fact.
1:31:15>> Okay.
1:31:16>> ConX was designed for my food
1:31:20and my weapons and to secure my
1:31:22four-wheeler before I had the building
1:31:24built.
1:31:25>> Okay.
1:31:26>> The back area that's all wood.
1:31:28>> Mhm.
1:31:28>> That wasn't designed for them.
1:31:30>> Mhm.
1:31:31>> That was designed for my stuff.
1:31:32>> Okay.
1:31:33>> Until last week, there was no ceiling on
1:31:35that.
1:31:36>> Okay.
1:31:36>> I put that in because she was cold.
1:31:41Kayla was cold.
1:31:42>> Okay. I'm glad we're still talking about
1:31:44John.
1:31:44>> I got you. She insulated the back to
1:31:46help keep her warm.
1:31:48>> I didn't know what to do with her, man.
1:31:50Um, one side I really wanted to drop
1:31:53her. The next side I really It's [ __ ]
1:31:56I kind of wanted to save her ass. I I
1:32:00don't
1:32:02Let me back up real quick before we go
1:32:03that far cuz we were talking about
1:32:05Johnny, the girl that was with Johnny.
1:32:07Did you shoot her?
1:32:08>> Not at that time. Okay. What happened
1:32:10with her?
1:32:11>> She panicked and then she sat I told her
1:32:13to sit down. She sat down.
1:32:14>> Mhm.
1:32:15>> Uh went ahead and cuffed her.
1:32:17>> Mhm.
1:32:18>> Patted her down.
1:32:18>> Mhm.
1:32:19>> Told her I wasn't going to hurt her.
1:32:20>> Mhm.
1:32:21>> Uh she calmed down
1:32:23>> and I actually took her to the ConX. No,
1:32:26that's not true. I had her lay there for
1:32:28a while. I didn't know what the hell to
1:32:29do with her. Um I didn't want her in my
1:32:31ConX cuz I had stuff in there. I know
1:32:32what the hell to do with it.
1:32:33>> Mhm.
1:32:34>> Putting her in with my guns is not a
1:32:35good move.
1:32:36>> I understand that. Uh, actually had to
1:32:39go
1:32:41for the first time. I was having a
1:32:42little bit of a panic of what the hell
1:32:43do I do with her?
1:32:44>> Uh, put her here, put her there, drop
1:32:46her. What the hell do I do? Do I call
1:32:47the cops? Oh [ __ ] I got legal guns. Uh,
1:32:49oh [ __ ] Oh [ __ ] Oh [ __ ] Uh,
1:32:53what do I do with her?
1:32:55>> Mhm.
1:32:55>> Um,
1:32:58she was bad. She crazy, man.
1:33:01>> That's what you said earlier.
1:33:02>> Uh, I told her I wasn't going to touch
1:33:05her. Wasn't going to rape her. Wasn't
1:33:06anything to her. uh just calm the hell
1:33:08down and let me sort this [ __ ] out.
1:33:11>> Somewhere
1:33:13between when I did that, when I shot
1:33:14him, put the back tight in the back, got
1:33:16her to calm down
1:33:18and kept coming back and forth trying to
1:33:20figure out what to do, but I had her
1:33:21cuffed and she wouldn't go anywhere.
1:33:24>> Eventually, I went and locked
1:33:30I want to say I left her on that floor
1:33:31for a while. I left her on that floor
1:33:33puffed. I wouldn't because I didn't know
1:33:34what to do with her. I didn't want her
1:33:36in the building. Okay.
1:33:38>> Got the tractor, got it out of there,
1:33:40picked the body up, and was trying to
1:33:42figure out what the hell to do with it.
1:33:44>> This is Johnny's body.
1:33:45>> Yeah.
1:33:45>> Okay.
1:33:46>> Um, like I said, I was held in the
1:33:48meltdown.
1:33:49>> Okay.
1:33:50>> Um,
1:33:52the land was supposed to be my
1:33:55>> sanctuary.
1:33:56>> Yeah. Not my killing field,
1:33:57>> right?
1:33:59I understand.
1:34:00>> Not meant to be my killing field. Um, it
1:34:03was supposed to be the place where I go
1:34:04to relax and get away from people and
1:34:05not deal with this [ __ ]
1:34:07>> Um,
1:34:09this this killing only bother me because
1:34:11it was such needless [ __ ]
1:34:14>> Uh, hell, I was giving him money. Why
1:34:16were you bothering me?
1:34:17>> Yeah.
1:34:18>> Um,
1:34:21I I
1:34:24went down to the ConX, cleaned out the
1:34:26back area
1:34:27>> cuz I had [ __ ] all in there.
1:34:29>> Mhm. Um, and at one time those ammo
1:34:32racks weren't there. The ammo rack was
1:34:35here and here.
1:34:37>> Mhm.
1:34:37>> Pistol rifle.
1:34:39>> Okay.
1:34:40>> Um,
1:34:41so there was only that much space at the
1:34:44back. So I moved all the guns forward
1:34:46and at that time those were on casters.
1:34:48>> Okay.
1:34:49>> And those are not on casters now.
1:34:51>> Okay.
1:34:52>> Put her back there. Told her to calm my
1:34:54hell down. Let me rethink this crap. Um,
1:34:57let me see what the hell I'm trying to
1:34:59figure out what to do.
1:35:00>> Mhm.
1:35:01>> Um, one guy, Johnny, went over there and
1:35:03dug a hole and like I said, you take the
1:35:06tractor and you keep going in and dig
1:35:08and what you end up doing is making a
1:35:09slanted
1:35:10>> Mhm.
1:35:11>> until I put him here,
1:35:12>> right?
1:35:13>> Um,
1:35:15dug that, stuck him in it, covered it
1:35:18up.
1:35:19>> Uh, it's a lot more work than you think.
1:35:21uh did that, went back and dealt with
1:35:23her, try to figure out what to do with
1:35:24her. Really wasn't sure. Uh ended up
1:35:28basically leaving her tied up there and
1:35:30went and got some chain. I had chain
1:35:32around. There's lots of chain in that
1:35:33building.
1:35:34>> Mhm.
1:35:34>> Um I use chain for all kinds of [ __ ]
1:35:36There's chain in the in in the woods
1:35:38where I've got trees with comealongs
1:35:39that are starting to lean towards my
1:35:40fence
1:35:41>> and I'll put chain around it, hook a
1:35:43comealong to it and start working this
1:35:44way and over a period of time it'll fall
1:35:46away from the fence.
1:35:47>> Okay.
1:35:48>> Uh so chain and cable and that kind of
1:35:50stuff. I got a lot of
1:35:51>> um tied her up, left her there
1:35:54>> while I tried to figure out what to I I
1:35:57didn't know what to do with it, man.
1:35:58>> Right.
1:35:58>> Um got rid of Johnny, came back,
1:36:03left her there,
1:36:05went and got food,
1:36:08fed the girl.
1:36:10Uh
1:36:11>> fed her after she tried to rob you.
1:36:13>> Man, what are you going to do with her?
1:36:16I don't want to shoot her.
1:36:17>> I understand. I mean, I can't have some
1:36:19crazy bat [ __ ] A woman going back. I
1:36:20mean, she was going to bipolar left and
1:36:21right.
1:36:22>> She wouldn't calm down. Like,
1:36:24>> oh, she finally calmed down, but she
1:36:28would she was talking to me and first
1:36:30she had drug issues,
1:36:32>> right?
1:36:33>> And then she kept going off the deep end
1:36:35with weird [ __ ] and kept talking and
1:36:38then she kept telling me that she had
1:36:40manic mode or some sort of bipolar
1:36:43lithium crap. and all the hell it was
1:36:46where I mean she was
1:36:49up down up down up down
1:36:51>> so she didn't mellow out like Kayla did
1:36:53>> no not at all she did finally calm down
1:36:57but
1:36:59she wasn't upset what made you decide to
1:37:02shoot her
1:37:03>> I'll get to that
1:37:04>> okay
1:37:05>> uh I wasn't going to shoot her
1:37:07>> okay
1:37:07>> I was going to give her money
1:37:09>> okay
1:37:10>> uh I don't know why the hell she went
1:37:12the hell
1:37:13I held her I hate the kidnapping part.
1:37:17I get another one.
1:37:19I held her in there for a couple days.
1:37:22>> How many days?
1:37:24>> Five or six.
1:37:25>> Okay.
1:37:26>> Um
1:37:28I every every other damn day she wanted
1:37:32Lil Caesar's pizza. I hate that [ __ ] It
1:37:35gives me heartburn. Uh Lil Caesar's
1:37:38pizza. Mountain. Not Mountain Dew. Dr.
1:37:40Pepper. cinnamon rolls and freaking
1:37:43Newports.
1:37:44If you go down to my building, you'll
1:37:46find an unused package of Newports that
1:37:48I bought for her.
1:37:50And then she went batshit. She took She
1:37:52tried to light my damn building on fire.
1:37:54Do you know how
1:37:54>> in the back of what building?
1:37:56>> The ConX.
1:37:57>> The Newport product is still there.
1:37:59>> The Newport pack is still inside
1:38:02the toolbox.
1:38:04>> Okay.
1:38:04>> This is the unused pack. I bought her a
1:38:06actually bought her a card.
1:38:08>> Okay.
1:38:08>> I don't I don't buy I don't smoke,
1:38:10>> right? I know the hell to buy her. I
1:38:11went in the store. I said, "Okay, I need
1:38:13a a thing of uh Newports, Reds, whatever
1:38:15the hell they were."
1:38:17The lady went, "Do you want a pack or a
1:38:19card?" Oh [ __ ] I don't freaking know.
1:38:21Um, give me a freaking card. Uh, got her
1:38:25that. Got her lighter. Um,
1:38:29wasn't sure what the hell to give her,
1:38:30man.
1:38:30>> Is that toolbox inside the ConX or is it
1:38:33in one of the ones inside the It's the
1:38:35building.
1:38:36>> Red toolbox inside the building. Bottom
1:38:38drawer, left hand side.
1:38:41Uh, you'll find some lube and stuff in
1:38:42there. I had nothing to do with it. I
1:38:43just didn't know where the hell to put
1:38:44the [ __ ] Um, there's also a friend of
1:38:48mine gave me his girlfriend gave him a
1:38:50thousand little packets of KY. He said,
1:38:52"You want to use it?" I don't know. You
1:38:54didn't use it.
1:38:56I don't know. It's still in the bag. I
1:38:57haven't touched it.
1:38:58>> So then what happened with her?
1:39:00>> Uh,
1:39:03went from there.
1:39:04Oh, there's a collar in there.
1:39:07That collar was Kayla's
1:39:10>> neck collar.
1:39:11>> Yeah. She had me order it.
1:39:13>> She asked you to order it?
1:39:15>> Yes, sir.
1:39:15>> Okay.
1:39:16>> We'll get to that in a minute.
1:39:18>> Didn't use it cuz after it came in the
1:39:19mail.
1:39:20>> Mhm.
1:39:20>> I would tell
1:39:22>> Okay.
1:39:22>> And she took it from me. It's It's a
1:39:25stainless steel collar with like hooks
1:39:27for putting like locks on. I mean, dude,
1:39:31it's like having your I don't treat my
1:39:33dogs that way.
1:39:34So, what happened with Megan?
1:39:36>> Um, put him there,
1:39:39fed her for a couple days, proceeded to
1:39:42go ahead. Mostly just left her the hell
1:39:44alone.
1:39:45>> Uh, left her alone. I didn't know what
1:39:48to do with her. And then she kept
1:39:49burning [ __ ] I come in and often find
1:39:52that she burnt her blanket and she burnt
1:39:53this. She's sitting next to 100,000
1:39:56rounds of ammo.
1:39:58Love of God, please stop burning [ __ ]
1:40:00>> Mhm. If that thing goes off,
1:40:03do you know what? Do you know what that
1:40:05would do to a neighborhood or an area
1:40:06that's only a neighborhood? It wouldn't
1:40:09>> Yeah.
1:40:09>> Holy [ __ ]
1:40:10>> Yeah.
1:40:11>> Uh please do not catch the building on
1:40:13fire. She kept trying to catch [ __ ] on
1:40:17fire and then go, "Well, I'm smoking." I
1:40:19would open the door and then a cloud
1:40:20would come out. It's like one of those
1:40:22cartoons.
1:40:25Looking back, giving her cigarettes is
1:40:26why I made a mistake.
1:40:29um
1:40:32had her there, left her alone,
1:40:36uh
1:40:38took her out of the other building, sat
1:40:40her down for a while, got her to calm
1:40:42down, just please calm down, got her
1:40:45some food, u told her basically that if
1:40:48she would just chill the hell out.
1:40:51>> Mhm.
1:40:52>> You don't know me. You don't know very
1:40:54much about me. You don't have [ __ ] And
1:40:56last time I could check from what was
1:40:57online, she had a warrant really looking
1:41:00for her ass.
1:41:01>> Mhm.
1:41:01>> Uh, I'll give you an in $4,000. I'll
1:41:04drive you up to damn Tennessee. I'll
1:41:06drop your ass off somewhere. If you got
1:41:08any common sense on this planet, you'll
1:41:09go left and I'll go right.
1:41:11>> What' she say?
1:41:13>> Oh, she got so excited I got my dick
1:41:15sucked. Uh,
1:41:17>> she did.
1:41:19>> Yeah.
1:41:19>> Okay.
1:41:20>> It wasn't bad. Um,
1:41:24I don't know.
1:41:25Okay. Hey, if I'm not Hey. Uh, I told
1:41:30her I would give her $4,000 and
1:41:32basically release her in Tennessee. Just
1:41:35go. Please go. Don't come back.
1:41:39It seemed like an easy It seemed like an
1:41:41easy solution. Uh, she didn't really
1:41:43know my name. She didn't know my
1:41:44address. She didn't know where I lived.
1:41:46When I first met her, I mean, I told her
1:41:48who I was, but I just told her I was a
1:41:49realtor. She didn't really know me.
1:41:53There was very little for her to I mean
1:41:55what's she going to do? She's got
1:41:57warrants out for her arrest.
1:42:00She'll call you guys up to say some
1:42:02[ __ ] shot my boyfriend, but you're
1:42:04looking for me anyhow. Uh I don't know
1:42:08where he lives. We went to some land. I
1:42:10don't know where the [ __ ] I was.
1:42:11>> Can I ask you a question?
1:42:13>> Yes, sir.
1:42:14>> Did
1:42:15and I'm I am jumping back and forth.
1:42:18Let's get back to Megan in in just a
1:42:20minute. Did you give Kayla any
1:42:23cigarettes or did you
1:42:25did you give Kayla cigarettes?
1:42:28Cigarettes? No.
1:42:31She took a shitload of pills. Okay. Did
1:42:33she want cigarettes?
1:42:35She asked you for for weed.
1:42:40Why would you not? Is Is that
1:42:44So, obviously, you didn't give it to
1:42:45her. Was the trouble that you had with
1:42:49Megan something that you decided I'm not
1:42:51going to go through this again? Oh,
1:42:54definitely. Type thing.
1:42:56>> So, you basically
1:42:58went from, you know, you didn't want to
1:42:59give her cigarettes to let her attempt
1:43:01to burn [ __ ] because you learned from
1:43:03what Megan did.
1:43:04>> Yeah. No fire.
1:43:06>> You wasn't going to let Kayla do that.
1:43:07>> But I don't remember Kayla asking me for
1:43:08cigarettes.
1:43:09>> Kayla didn't ask you for cigarettes.
1:43:10Okay. But Megan, so you you're sitting
1:43:13there with Megan.
1:43:14>> Yes, sir. And Megan,
1:43:16>> I don't understand the question then cuz
1:43:18she didn't ask me for cigarettes.
1:43:19>> Well, and that's fine. I didn't know if
1:43:21she did or not.
1:43:21>> I just I just know that I wasn't going
1:43:22to give her anything like that.
1:43:24>> There you go.
1:43:24>> Um, all that stuff was was burned and I
1:43:26was like,
1:43:29>> going down this road.
1:43:30>> So, with Megan, you you you made her the
1:43:32offer of the $4,000. Keep your mouth
1:43:35shut. I'll take you to Tennessee.
1:43:37>> Drop you off and leave.
1:43:37>> Drop you off and leave. You go one way,
1:43:39I'll go the other way.
1:43:40>> Totally.
1:43:40>> What made that change? What happened?
1:43:43What do you mean when made that change?
1:43:44>> Well, she ended up dead.
1:43:46>> Oh, you mean what? What? Where preceded?
1:43:48>> Yeah,
1:43:49>> that makes sense. Uh,
1:43:52>> I'll use your words. We're preceded.
1:43:56>> I'm not trying to be
1:43:57>> No, you try not to be an [ __ ] What?
1:44:00What? Dude, you're fine.
1:44:02>> Um, I wanted to get rid of her. The
1:44:05weather went to [ __ ]
1:44:06>> Mhm.
1:44:07>> Uh, we were having sleep. It was right
1:44:08before Christmas, man. We having sleep.
1:44:10We were having rain. Mhm.
1:44:12>> Weather went to [ __ ]
1:44:13>> Okay.
1:44:13>> And I still had to find a way to get
1:44:15away from Ashley, my girlfriend, long
1:44:18enough to get up out of work, get this
1:44:21person to Tennessee, drop her off and
1:44:23get home. That's not that's not just a
1:44:25couple hour trip.
1:44:26>> No.
1:44:26>> And if I'm dropping her, it ain't going
1:44:27to be at the border.
1:44:29>> We going north to Nashville. I want her
1:44:31way hell away from me. Uh I don't I want
1:44:34her to forget where South Carolina is,
1:44:36>> right? I told her I said, "I give you I
1:44:38give you 4K in cash,
1:44:40drop you off somewhere, other side of
1:44:42other side of nowhere.
1:44:44>> If you got any common sense, you keep
1:44:46walking."
1:44:46>> Mhm.
1:44:47>> Go get a job at Go get a job at a at a
1:44:49at a diner somewhere, work as a
1:44:51waitress, get your [ __ ] get your [ __ ]
1:44:53right, don't come back. They got one
1:44:57free here and I'm here, so
1:45:01just don't come back.
1:45:02>> Okay.
1:45:03>> Uh
1:45:05she was going to take it. She was happy.
1:45:06She was happy as hell for like 2 days.
1:45:09>> Okay,
1:45:09>> she was happy as hell. I just couldn't
1:45:11get past the weather.
1:45:13>> Okay.
1:45:14>> Uh
1:45:16the last day I went over there uh opened
1:45:19the conx up, she burned half the
1:45:22freaking building. Uh this I mean she
1:45:26took my ammo racks and grabbed them and
1:45:29did this.
1:45:32>> Holy [ __ ]
1:45:33>> Oh, I'm going tell you. I'm for such a
1:45:34[ __ ] Mhm.
1:45:36>> Damn.
1:45:38>> So then what happened?
1:45:39>> Uh, well, there was ammo everywhere and
1:45:41stuff everywhere and she broke the fan.
1:45:43I I got her fan. She broke the fan.
1:45:46>> Mhm.
1:45:47>> Prime. And you just can't beat that
1:45:48[ __ ] too. They're two day shipping. Uh,
1:45:54>> got her one of those.
1:45:57There's there now, but it came as a two
1:45:59pack.
1:45:59>> Mhm.
1:46:00>> Uh, I had her those to get air
1:46:02ventilation. Mhm.
1:46:03>> I got lanters for her so she have light.
1:46:05I did the best I could to make it
1:46:07>> somewhat livable.
1:46:09>> Got her blankets, got her pillows. She
1:46:10lit the damn thing on fire.
1:46:12>> I'm surprised she didn't fixiate.
1:46:15>> That's what I was thinking.
1:46:16>> I'm surprised she didn't. When I walked
1:46:18in the building, I mean, I was choking.
1:46:19>> Mhm.
1:46:20>> I'm going, "Holy shit."
1:46:22Uh, went to get her out and then all of
1:46:25a sudden it's like I had a caged animal
1:46:27on my hands. I don't know what the hell
1:46:28what the hell. She went from I'm so
1:46:31freaking happy in the world to be I'm
1:46:33going to go to Tennessee with money and
1:46:34I'm gonna restart my life and thank you,
1:46:36thank you, thank you
1:46:37>> to
1:46:39bet you're crazy.
1:46:41>> Um,
1:46:42>> tell them just a minute.
1:46:43>> I got you.
1:46:44>> At that point, I tried to walk her out
1:46:46of the building. I just had enough. I
1:46:48walked outside. I was trying to calm
1:46:49down her what the hell to do with her,
1:46:50what to do with her, what to do with
1:46:51her. Didn't know.
1:46:53>> Um,
1:46:55I had the key back in the building. Um,
1:46:58she was going nuts. Just
1:47:02it wasn't like she was emotional about
1:47:04the situation. This this had been days.
1:47:05It wasn't about that. It was just like
1:47:08serious chemical imbalance [ __ ]
1:47:12And she walked outside. I walked I
1:47:14walked her outside. I went her outside.
1:47:15I put a four in the back of her head.
1:47:17>> What gun did you shoot her with?
1:47:18>> Same one
1:47:19>> that you shot. Johnny.
1:47:22>> Johnny with
1:47:23>> And that's a Glock. And that's the same
1:47:25one you shot
1:47:27Charlie.
1:47:27>> Charlie's my favorite gun. Just it's
1:47:30just
1:47:31>> it's a it's a handy gun.
1:47:32>> It's a handy one. It's very effective,
1:47:34especially if you shoot 180 grains.
1:47:36>> Let me ask you this one. I do have I I
1:47:38do have one clarification question with
1:47:40with Charlie.
1:47:41>> Okay.
1:47:41>> Okay. Cuz like we talked to you before
1:47:43about the feet are missing.
1:47:45>> I didn't tell you my feet.
1:47:46>> I I know. I know you didn't. I know you
1:47:48didn't. Animals, whatever. Cuz you said
1:47:50you had coyotes out there.
1:47:52>> I do. When you know how you saying you
1:47:54you dug it out and it kind of leaves a
1:47:57little a little ramp kind of thing there
1:48:00>> when you put him in the the hole grave
1:48:04so to speak. Okay. Was he face down? Was
1:48:07his head going downhill? Was his head
1:48:09coming going up? Was he on his back? Do
1:48:11you remember?
1:48:12>> I don't remember.
1:48:13>> Okay.
1:48:14>> I hit tilted it.
1:48:15>> So you just hit hit tilt. He fell out.
1:48:18>> All I do All I did is drive up there.
1:48:22hit tilt, dropped him out. The way he
1:48:23way he land is the way he went.
1:48:26>> Do the hole this way?
1:48:27>> Yes, sir.
1:48:28>> Did he ran this way or this way?
1:48:31>> Do you remember?
1:48:36>> Well, there we go.
1:48:38>> There you go.
1:48:42If if you
1:48:44if you dig
1:48:47here
1:48:47>> Mhm.
1:48:48>> going this way.
1:48:48>> Mhm. And you basically as you go in, you
1:48:51keep going down deeper. So it ends up
1:48:53like this.
1:48:54>> Right.
1:48:55>> Right.
1:48:56>> As you go down, you I put I don't know
1:48:58why I keep acting like I did this a lot
1:48:59of times with them. Um put the dirt to
1:49:03the side.
1:49:03>> Right.
1:49:03>> Put the dirt to the side and I put dirt
1:49:05behind it. And then when I basically
1:49:07just drove down, but there had been a
1:49:09lot of rain
1:49:10>> days before this.
1:49:11>> Okay.
1:49:12>> So there was water down there.
1:49:13>> Mhm. And I got him down as far as I
1:49:16could and then I just basically hit the
1:49:18a little far forward, took the bucket,
1:49:19hit the get the dirt that I could
1:49:22>> behind him, pull it, put this dirt, put
1:49:24that dirt and cover them as best I
1:49:26could.
1:49:26>> Okay.
1:49:27>> Um
1:49:29I think he was kind of
1:49:31>> sideways
1:49:33and cuz you know how the two holes are
1:49:36parallel. Yes. So he wouldn't like let's
1:49:39say this is a bed. He wouldn't be laying
1:49:40in like head to head to foot at the
1:49:43headboard and at the footboard. He'd be
1:49:44kind of more caddyy cornered across it.
1:49:47>> This one where he could be in there I he
1:49:48would never be like this way.
1:49:50>> Okay.
1:49:50>> And the re the reason
1:49:51>> so you would have been digging from this
1:49:53angle
1:49:54>> reaching out coming back this way right
1:49:56>> you don't know him.
1:49:58>> Okay.
1:50:01So when's the Travis Morgan formed? Oh,
1:50:04Travis Morgan was the guy that I hired
1:50:05over there that did the sort of do work.
1:50:07>> I heard that name. He man, he ain't the
1:50:09[ __ ] man. Once he I mean just clean. He
1:50:13what he does, he goes on upstate home
1:50:16Venus, whatever. He's full of [ __ ] What
1:50:17he does, he go out there, he goes on
1:50:18Facebook all those um I posted on
1:50:21Facebook one day. I was looking for
1:50:22cleaning people uh in regard to Vista
1:50:25the first time.
1:50:26>> Okay.
1:50:27>> When they first I you pick
1:50:29>> What is is Vista is just a house, right?
1:50:31>> Just a house. Um, it's just that it's
1:50:33got bad omens, man.
1:50:34>> That's the one in Shadow Legs.
1:50:37>> No, sir. That's the one in Twin Lights.
1:50:38>> I mean, Twin Lakes. Yes, I mean Twin
1:50:40Legs.
1:50:40>> I moved a crazy lady, a a lady who had
1:50:44two two daughters that were underage in
1:50:48there. And when I had to go there the
1:50:50very first time to resolve an issue, the
1:50:5414-year-old came on to me and I left and
1:50:56went, "Oh, hell to the no." And from
1:50:58that point on, anytime I send a service
1:51:00pot guy over there, I actually pay
1:51:02double to make sure that a
1:51:04>> there's another person with them
1:51:06>> at all times.
1:51:06>> That's a good idea.
1:51:09>> Yeah.
1:51:10>> Yes, sir. I'd rather pay the extra money
1:51:12because as soon as they bring him into
1:51:13it and barely my company is involved in
1:51:16it,
1:51:16>> I'd rather pay the extra money.
1:51:18>> Um, got them moved out, took 13
1:51:21truckloads of trash out of the house.
1:51:24Then I moved in the Catholic people who
1:51:25both worked at the church. I'm thinking
1:51:27safe bet, right?
1:51:28>> Yeah.
1:51:28>> He he broke into the uh closet where
1:51:33they kept the communion wine and he he
1:51:35drank God's stash and got drunk and got
1:51:39caught.
1:51:41This guy's like 55 years old.
1:51:44>> You know you're in trouble when you
1:51:45steal from the church. You know,
1:51:48>> even I won't.
1:51:50>> I mean, come on. It's one thing if
1:51:51you're a teenager and you sneak in there
1:51:53and you get the wine, but if you're a
1:51:54grown man and you're breaking, you know
1:51:56what I mean?
1:51:59There's some things in life you don't
1:52:01do. I got them out of there. Then I
1:52:02moved in the car salesman now.
1:52:07They were there probably just a couple
1:52:10like the first month and the second
1:52:12month I had to have they they didn't
1:52:13they think they didn't want to pay the
1:52:15bills.
1:52:15>> Yeah.
1:52:16>> And we had repairs to do. Well, in
1:52:19between that, I had Travis come in and
1:52:23he was supposed to do uh he he built
1:52:26himself as a we do everything.
1:52:29Um going to fix the holes in the wall,
1:52:31going to fix stuff in the ceiling, going
1:52:32to go ahead and fix the doors, going to
1:52:34go ahead and fix this. He didn't fix
1:52:35anything. Um brought his mom in.
1:52:38Supposedly his mom shampooed the house.
1:52:40My thing was, I don't know how you
1:52:42shampoo the house when the water's not
1:52:43turned on. This is a 4,400T house, so
1:52:47you have to bring a lot of water in.
1:52:48Yeah.
1:52:49>> Oh, yeah. We brought it in by a bucket.
1:52:53>> I'm going to call [ __ ]
1:52:54>> What? Did you go steal it from one of
1:52:55the lakes?
1:52:56>> Well, there is that, but that's not what
1:52:58you really want.
1:52:58>> Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm getting at.
1:53:00I mean,
1:53:01>> um, but he
1:53:01>> do like the on the shelf.
1:53:04>> He promised me that he basically built
1:53:05himself as I do this, I do this, I do
1:53:07electrician, I do roof, I do this, we do
1:53:08this on all this license stuff. He
1:53:10didn't have license for anything. Well,
1:53:11I didn't know that. that well I got even
1:53:13hooked up with several of my agents who
1:53:14were doing rehabs
1:53:15>> and a bunch of my other properties that
1:53:17I I manage I don't own
1:53:22um and got them and doing all these
1:53:23repairs. Well, he had like $65,000 worth
1:53:25of repairs going on and then find out
1:53:28afterwards in in steps that all a sudden
1:53:30I got owners calling going, "Uh, your
1:53:31guy ain't [ __ ] He didn't do this. He
1:53:34didn't do this. He didn't do this. He
1:53:35didn't." I'm like, "Okay, I'm trying to
1:53:36track him down." Then he had to go fix
1:53:39uh I had a house. cuz I had to have the
1:53:41lawn mowed in the middle of the summer.
1:53:42>> Mhm.
1:53:43>> Over in Bowling Springs. The backyard's
1:53:45on the hill like this. And he already
1:53:48got paid for it. Then he wouldn't go do
1:53:51the job. Well, I had to get it mowed
1:53:53before the the appraisal came in. So, my
1:53:55big ass went and put the push mower in
1:53:57the back of my SUV. Drove over there and
1:53:58I spent the day pushing push mower up
1:54:01the hill.
1:54:02Owner bought me that bottle of uh
1:54:04Woodburn Reserve. He's like, "Yeah, you
1:54:06definitely earned it."
1:54:09Um, yeah, he was a little on the crazy
1:54:12side. Not that that didn't show me. I
1:54:13don't know him. Why would they say that
1:54:15he
1:54:15>> He used to hunt there. I guess it was
1:54:17before you owned the property.
1:54:19>> There's a lot of people who hunted there
1:54:20before.
1:54:20>> Yeah, he used to hunt there. Um, cuz we
1:54:23found several deer stands. We found two
1:54:25that I've seen. There's one old Well,
1:54:28one it's been there for a while. It's
1:54:30like an old wood dilapidated one. And
1:54:32then there's a metal one.
1:54:33>> The metal one I left.
1:54:34>> Okay. Yeah. There's one. It's just like
1:54:37when we were walking out there, you
1:54:38could see where it had been. It's been a
1:54:40long time.
1:54:41>> Well, it was where they they used to
1:54:42been. I I drove that forestry cutter.
1:54:45>> Mhm.
1:54:45>> I drove into put the thing up and and
1:54:47just quiz article them.
1:54:49>> Okay.
1:54:50>> Uh I didn't know there was another one
1:54:51out there unless
1:54:53I missed one.
1:54:54>> Yeah. It's it's out there. Um
1:54:57but he used to hunt that out there on
1:54:58that land and he um one of the nieces
1:55:02was under the impression he did work for
1:55:04you or he
1:55:06>> cleaned for you once or something like
1:55:09that.
1:55:09>> I've never seen him before.
1:55:10>> Okay.
1:55:11>> Now, as far as land goes, I mean, I went
1:55:12out almost every day. Actually, every
1:55:14day, and sometimes more than once.
1:55:17>> Yeah.
1:55:17>> And I mean, I patrol my I made sure the
1:55:20neighbor saw me.
1:55:21>> Okay. Okay.
1:55:25when they see you, they don't bother
1:55:27you. Except for the guy who's across
1:55:30um in the in the trailer,
1:55:32>> right?
1:55:32>> He's nosy as [ __ ]
1:55:34>> And the old man across at the gate is
1:55:36nosy as hell.
1:55:37>> Now, would you need to get on the
1:55:39computer for yourself for this your
1:55:42checks? Do you need to get on the
1:55:43computer to do it? Is this something you
1:55:44can do on the phone to check the account
1:55:47balance or how you want to do that?
1:55:49>> I
1:55:51really need the internet right now. I
1:55:53just need my computer. I don't even have
1:55:55to log into anything. I just need to be
1:55:57able to log into my Micros Microsoft
1:55:58Money account
1:56:01>> on your computer. You see your
1:56:02computer's locked up. We can't get to
1:56:04that.
1:56:04>> I didn't know that.
1:56:06>> Yeah, we can get on like if you wanted
1:56:07to get on one of our computers and log
1:56:10onto your account, then we can do it
1:56:11that way. But as far as anything else,
1:56:13do you I mean
1:56:14>> I might do you know that's what I was
1:56:16going to say. Do you know how much
1:56:17money's in there? You you just know how
1:56:19much to write a check for or No,
1:56:22>> it'd be really close. It'd be really
1:56:24close.
1:56:24>> So, you know how much is in there?
1:56:26>> Uh, there should be 24
1:56:2926 in one and about the same in the
1:56:31other ish.
1:56:32>> So, you would be writing her a check for
1:56:35>> I'd write two separate checks. I'd write
1:56:37I clean out both of them as much as I
1:56:39can.
1:56:40>> It's like it's like it's like that the
1:56:43all the all the business deals they're
1:56:45supposed to pay me anyhow, right? I
1:56:46never know. I don't give a d the the
1:56:50script,
1:56:51>> but you need a computer to you got the
1:56:52passwords and login. You need a computer
1:56:54to lo to log in. So, if I bring a laptop
1:56:56in there, you could get on there and
1:56:58look in there so you would know how much
1:57:00you need to write the checks for.
1:57:01>> Yes, sir.
1:57:01>> All right, I'll do that. I get a
1:57:03computer.
1:57:03>> I just need a piece of paper and a
1:57:05pencil.
1:57:05>> All right, I'll get away for you.
1:57:34What you want to eat, man?
1:57:36>> Whatever you guys want. Whatever's going
1:57:38to be, man. We ain't going through this
1:57:40again.
1:57:42What you going to eat, buddy?
1:57:43>> He's He's going to grab something.
1:57:45>> Uh, bottle of happy.
1:57:53Um,
1:57:54>> what's convenient your local?
1:57:56>> I mean, there's stuff on the Ash
1:57:58Highway. You got KFC. You got McDonald's
1:58:00at the Circle. You got
1:58:02>> Burger King, Angles, Chick-fil-A.
1:58:04>> Chick-fil-A. Well, not on Sunday.
1:58:06>> Not on Sunday.
1:58:07>> That's right. Um,
1:58:09Subway,
1:58:11>> Miami Grill,
1:58:12>> Miami Grill. They got stuff like your
1:58:15basic
1:58:16>> euros.
1:58:18Greek Greek stuff.
1:58:20>> I go Subway. I can go burger. I'm not
1:58:23really I'm good.
1:58:24>> What kind of you want Subway?
1:58:27>> That's fine.
1:58:27>> What kind of
1:58:30What kind of sandwich?
1:58:31>> Something hot.
1:58:34>> They got that new steak.
1:58:37Philly steak sub. Pretty good.
1:58:39>> Oh, hell yeah.
1:58:41>> Yeah, they it is. It's good. And what
1:58:43they'll do is they'll melt it, toast it,
1:58:45and the cheese will melt down all over
1:58:46the stuff. It's really good.
1:58:48>> You look silly.
1:58:49>> Sure. Excellent.
1:58:51>> I'll tell you this, if you're going to
1:58:52do that, which the better place to get
1:58:55it is Miami Grill because they have the
1:58:58Supreme and it comes with the Philly
1:59:00steak and cheese and it's got lettuce,
1:59:01tomato, and everything on it. Phil Miami
1:59:03Grill makes a better one than Subway.
1:59:05But it's up to you.
1:59:07Everything.
1:59:09>> The one Yeah, the one at um
1:59:11>> lettuce.
1:59:12>> Sure.
1:59:13>> Tomato.
1:59:13>> No, I like tomato.
1:59:14>> You don't like tomato?
1:59:17Onions. I like your peanuts.
1:59:21>> What? The grill comes with
1:59:25>> jalapenos. If they got them. If not, you
1:59:28>> I got you. That's fine. That That's
1:59:30fine. Mayonnaise. Um, yeah, a little
1:59:35bit.
1:59:36>> Mustard?
1:59:38>> No, I'm good.
1:59:39>> Vinegar, oil, salt, pepper.
1:59:42>> Okay. What do you want to drink?
1:59:44>> Um,
1:59:46Coke.
1:59:48Some sort of chips. I'm really not
1:59:50picky.
1:59:50>> Plain or barbecue. Um,
1:59:55if you got something that's got like um
1:59:57sour cream and onion or some sort of
1:59:59like
1:59:59>> I got you.
2:00:00>> The
2:00:02Someone got play. I just don't I don't
2:00:04eat normal potato chips.
2:00:05>> Okay.
2:00:09All right.
2:00:14Thank you, buddy. That's your pencil pen
2:00:17and paper. I just want to go my mouth.
2:00:47Okay. If
2:00:48>> you're like me, I can't do it without my
2:00:49mouth.
2:00:50>> I tell you something, man. And and this
2:00:52is
2:00:52>> although I got a feeling No, this was
2:00:54this is what the deal is, man. This
2:00:56won't work.
2:00:59It's a brand new computer and it won't
2:01:01work. I think my computer's got a virus
2:01:03on it. Really?
2:01:04>> Because when I went I had a mouse just
2:01:06like that.
2:01:07>> Mhm.
2:01:08>> And ran it in the ground. Well, then the
2:01:12battery supposedly it's it one day it
2:01:14just stopped working. Well, I swapped
2:01:15the batteries out and I mean those
2:01:17things really there's not much to go to
2:01:18go wrong on them.
2:01:21So, we had that and then I went and
2:01:24bought a brand new mouse. Brand new
2:01:26mouse. Top of the line.
2:01:29>> Of course, since since they've come out,
2:01:30the price has come way down.
2:01:32>> Oh, yeah.
2:01:33>> And uh I mean the mouse I used to pay 60
2:01:35bucks. I'm paying like$9.95 for. That's
2:01:38this this was originally was like 65
2:01:39bucks and now it's like you you I went
2:01:42in there to replace it and I was like
2:01:44>> but my but my computer has dual
2:01:47processor. It it's called Godzilla for a
2:01:49reason. I had
2:01:50>> your computer Godzilla.
2:01:51>> No, the company that built it did.
2:01:53>> Oh, it had a sticker on it.
2:01:55>> Specially Yeah. Special made.
2:01:57>> That's all those are special made.
2:01:58>> Okay. Uh well the the little one that
2:02:01was underneath the the other monitors
2:02:03that was originally a normal thin line
2:02:07desktop I bought from one of my
2:02:08assistants but then she screwed it up so
2:02:10I took back.
2:02:12>> Okay, let me give you this. You left
2:02:15hand. Which side do you want the mouse
2:02:16on?
2:02:17>> Okay.
2:02:19I'll tell you something. I was I looking
2:02:21at retiring
2:02:23next year if I can if I can get my wife
2:02:26to quit spending money.
2:02:28doing what?
2:02:30>> Looking at retiring from here and I
2:02:32always wanted to go into real estate. I
2:02:33wish we had met at a different time in a
2:02:35different place.
2:02:37>> If you ever want to come back and talk
2:02:38to me, I can teach you how to make so
2:02:40much freaking money.
2:02:41>> Really?
2:02:41>> Yeah. It's It's
2:02:44>> You're just You're just a really cool
2:02:45guy, man.
2:02:47>> I made 160K in the stock market in 5
2:02:50months.
2:02:50>> Really?
2:02:51>> Yeah.
2:02:53>> Yeah. I was working on finishing my
2:02:55bachelor's degree in criminal justice
2:02:57and a buddy of mine told me, he said,
2:02:58"Why do that?" He said, "You've already
2:03:00got your bachelor's degree for 19
2:03:02years."
2:03:07He said, "Your best bet is to go do
2:03:09something else."
2:03:18What do you Just so I know, what are you
2:03:19logging on to? So if they ask me,
2:03:25okay, I just that way if supervisor
2:03:28says, "Hey, what was he logging on to on
2:03:29your computer?" I would say, "Hey, I
2:03:31made sure that you know what I'm saying.
2:03:35I messed up
2:03:41HK5
2:03:42ST2.
2:03:47I have to have all mine in my phone.
2:03:52No, I didn't thought.
2:03:55No, I don't. No, I don't.
2:04:01I think this account's wrong, but I can
2:04:04fix part of it.
2:04:09Why is that? That's That's not right. I
2:04:12can fix it.
2:04:14Not looking at it.
2:04:32Okay. Okay. I can solve this problem.
2:04:37There's not many problems I can't solve.
2:04:38I just didn't have the computer around
2:04:40me.
2:04:44Oh, I got very good at um
2:04:48See, like my wife and my our dreams
2:04:51always been to flip houses and stuff
2:04:53like that. I've got a friend that does
2:04:56it in Florida. was pretty successful at
2:04:57it, but
2:04:59I'm real interested in the stock market.
2:05:01I'm just really stupid at it.
2:05:05And I've got a friend who does real
2:05:07estate, like I was telling you here.
2:05:08>> Mhm.
2:05:09>> And
2:05:12I wouldn't trust him to cut my grass,
2:05:13but he is doing good in real estate. I
2:05:16don't understand.
2:05:21>> Let me explain both those to you. How to
2:05:23make money without screwing yourself in
2:05:25a second. Okay. Cuz I did sales for I
2:05:28don't know if you remember all the Gold
2:05:29Gyms were here.
2:05:31>> Mhm.
2:05:32>> I opened them. Me and a guy named David
2:05:34Dixon and a guy named David Gillespie.
2:05:44Well, it's not as much money as I
2:05:46thought,
2:05:51but
2:05:52it'll work.
2:05:57Okay.
2:06:00>> It's more than my mom has nothing. I'm
2:06:03pretty sure that she's living on social
2:06:06security, which she ain't that [ __ ]
2:06:11>> Well, and I had an issue. I got to go
2:06:13take care of her tonight. Um, she showed
2:06:15up at the house and tried to get $1,000
2:06:17out of the lock box.
2:06:18>> Mhm.
2:06:18>> And the patrol officer that was there
2:06:20didn't know about it, so they wouldn't
2:06:23let her get it. So, they called me
2:06:24afterwards and I said, they said, "We
2:06:27turned her away." I said, "I'll take
2:06:28care of it. I'll fix it. I'll talk to
2:06:30her. I'll get it squared away."
2:06:31>> Um, I've already paid that owner on
2:06:33that, but that was supposed to be late
2:06:36fees, all that in there. There's
2:06:37a,000,50.
2:06:39The guy always drops it off. So, when I
2:06:41know he's going to drop it off, I just
2:06:43go ahead and pay.
2:06:44>> Well, I I want to tell you this, too. I
2:06:46talked to my lieutenant
2:06:47>> about the $13,000
2:06:49>> and he said since that is not part of
2:06:52any of this, there should be no problem
2:06:55>> releasing it.
2:06:56>> We just have to go through some
2:06:57paperwork and some protocols. So, we may
2:06:59have to have come back over here again
2:07:01tomorrow
2:07:02>> to sign that over.
2:07:03>> Okay.
2:07:04>> Okay.
2:07:04>> Okay. And what I'm going to do today is
2:07:07I got to talk to my lieutenant and the
2:07:09sheriff or my captain and the sheriff
2:07:10about these checks because we have a
2:07:12search warrant at your home.
2:07:15Bring in the checks to get you to sign
2:07:16them. So, and I got to see how
2:07:19legalitywise how we can do that. So,
2:07:21what I'm going to do is I'm going to do
2:07:22it all at once. bring you over here, get
2:07:25the check, get you to write out the
2:07:27checks,
2:07:28get cuz I've already talked to this
2:07:30lister and everything. And they said,
2:07:31"As long as it doesn't have anything to
2:07:33do with the case, then we're we're
2:07:34good."
2:07:35>> Yeah.
2:07:35>> And I said, "His doesn't it has nothing
2:07:37to do with he's a legitimate
2:07:38businessman, real estate, he's
2:07:40legitimate." Um I said, um he said,
2:07:43"Then you, the sheriff's office, can
2:07:45handle that. So that's what we're going
2:07:48to do.
2:07:48>> And that way I'll probably bring you
2:07:50back over here tomorrow."
2:07:52Well, if I can get her this, she has
2:07:54something to work with. And then she
2:07:55give pretty much I'm going to have her
2:07:57give basically half of it eventually get
2:07:58to Ashley.
2:08:00We're going to go ahead and get I gota
2:08:01get I got to get a power of attorney
2:08:03done because I can turn it over. The
2:08:06house is paid for. Well, I'll just cut
2:08:08the price to fire sale.
2:08:11>> Mhm.
2:08:11>> And get the thing sold. I mean, it's
2:08:14$175,000.
2:08:16You want a $175,000 house for 150?
2:08:19>> I could afford it. be.
2:08:21>> Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
2:08:24>> Get in, get done, get out.
2:08:25>> Yeah.
2:08:26>> Um quick sale.
2:08:27>> Quick sale.
2:08:28>> Yeah.
2:08:29>> $150,000. I just paid for a kids
2:08:31college.
2:08:31>> Yeah.
2:08:32>> Um I just paid for kids college and
2:08:34Ashley's taken care of. My dogs taken
2:08:36care of cuz Ashley can't afford to feed
2:08:38those dogs,
2:08:39>> right?
2:08:40>> I've been kicking her everything from
2:08:41dog food to um uh those raw high dogs.
2:08:44>> You were worried about her getting
2:08:45fired. Where does she work? Come. Place
2:08:48is called SDS. Southern Design Systems.
2:08:50Where is that at? Uh, if you go down,
2:08:52you'll never find it. If you go down um
2:08:5629, this the logo is SDS.
2:08:59>> Mhm.
2:08:59>> I've seen the logo.
2:09:01>> If you are across,
2:09:05if you are across from if you're coming
2:09:07down 29.
2:09:08>> Do you want to run off of that or?
2:09:09>> Yeah. I just want you to see.
2:09:12No, I I
2:09:15don't take this the wrong way, but I
2:09:16trust you. I'm good. We're good.
2:09:26You see, the only thing I won't touch
2:09:28>> is that account
2:09:30>> cuz that's not mine.
2:09:31>> I don't see what that is.
2:09:32>> Escrow.
2:09:35That's where people had brought me
2:09:36money, held it in held it in. They hold
2:09:38it in escrow.
2:09:39>> 29,000. Oh, okay. That's interesting.
2:09:42>> Actually, that's off, too.
2:09:46It should be an odd number.
2:09:51>> Would somebody have put money in there,
2:09:52you know, well,
2:09:57>> but I might have paid a repair bill out
2:09:59of it and haven't got That's what
2:10:01happened. I didn't get reimbured for the
2:10:02damn um
2:10:06screw it. It's not worth It's not worth
2:10:08it. It's not worth the drama.
2:10:10So for for for a couple hundred dollar
2:10:13it's not worth
2:10:17I'd rather I'd rather
2:10:20>> see I'm an ethical
2:10:24>> and that's a [ __ ]
2:10:29>> I mean me me and the sheriff had a long
2:10:30talk about that last night and
2:10:33>> I like the sheriff
2:10:34>> he's a great guy and see that's the
2:10:36thing I I can retire in 11 months
2:10:40And I'm not going to because as long as
2:10:42he's sheriff I'll be here. I mean as
2:10:46long as he's sheriff I'll be here,
2:10:48>> you know.
2:10:49>> Thank you. I would be very surprised if
2:10:52he doesn't win Tuesday.
2:10:55>> Yeah, I will be too. I don't think it's
2:10:57I don't think there's a chance he's
2:10:58going to lose.
2:11:02>> Lynch likes to complain a lot about the
2:11:05car,
2:11:06>> about the Raptor. Yeah. Okay. And
2:11:12>> sure, man. Do what the hell you want to
2:11:14do.
2:11:14>> Well, there and see there are certain
2:11:16guidelines in the laws that allow him to
2:11:18do certain things and
2:11:20>> he followed those guidelines and and the
2:11:22truck goes he actually has a pdeium for
2:11:25a truck and the truck that he was
2:11:27driving that he had the pium he gave to
2:11:29the sheriff's office and one of our
2:11:32officers is driving.
2:11:33>> So I mean he followed everything by the
2:11:35letter of law. Now describe my Z4 when I
2:11:37have to talk.
2:11:39>> That would be mean.
2:11:44>> Well, see, I want my mom to take that
2:11:46and as much as I hate see I told her if
2:11:49you want it, you can have it.
2:11:50>> Mhm.
2:11:51>> But you can also sell it and y'all can
2:11:55stop eating ramen noodles all this time.
2:11:57>> I didn't know she was that bad off.
2:11:59>> I didn't know.
2:12:00>> Wow,
2:12:01>> dude. I haven't talked when I last time
2:12:03I talked to her, she was my size. She
2:12:05thanked me yesterday when we were
2:12:07leaving.
2:12:07>> Mhm.
2:12:08>> When was the last time I mean because
2:12:09you guys hadn't talked. How long had it
2:12:10been?
2:12:11>> Three. It was three Christmases ago.
2:12:12>> She thanked me because she said um
2:12:17she thanked me. As a matter of fact, she
2:12:19almost said the same exact thing when I
2:12:21came back in with you. She said, "Thank
2:12:24you." And I said, "You're welcome,
2:12:26ma'am." I said, "For
2:12:28>> for what?"
2:12:30>> And she said, "For helping me and him
2:12:33>> reconnect. you know, she didn't say
2:12:35those exact words, but she that's
2:12:37basically what she's saying.
2:12:38>> And um
2:12:39>> I did the best I could to make it to
2:12:40where she she'll blame herself for days
2:12:43and I'm like, it's not your fault,
2:12:44>> right?
2:12:45>> You know,
2:12:46>> um but yeah, we we got to talk. It was
2:12:48good, but I didn't know. My god, she got
2:12:52skinny.
2:12:53>> Really?
2:12:55>> Yeah. Like 80 pounds worth.
2:12:58>> Uh she she's dropped it. Um I know she
2:13:01ain't got no money.
2:13:03Um,
2:13:05I didn't know it was that bad. If I know
2:13:07it was that bad, I would have
2:13:08mysteriously done something. I've done
2:13:11that a few times in my life
2:13:13>> with your mom
2:13:13>> with people.
2:13:15>> Really?
2:13:16>> I've had friends who got themselves I I
2:13:18hire a lot of people and sometimes I've
2:13:20paid them
2:13:22above rate
2:13:24>> to help them out.
2:13:25>> Mhm.
2:13:28>> You may want to seriously uh talk to
2:13:30Dustin Lawson.
2:13:32>> Okay. and give him a heads up. He's a
2:13:35dumbass. He's a 32-y old lazy kid who
2:13:37never had a daddy. Okay. So, he
2:13:39basically lived with women all his life.
2:13:42I
2:13:42>> I'll tell you this. I don't think the
2:13:43issue is Dustin Lawson. Okay.
2:13:45>> Mhm.
2:13:46>> I think the issue is who Dustin Lawson
2:13:48got the guns from,
2:13:50who he went to get the guns from.
2:13:52>> Oh, no. That that's that that's an easy
2:13:54solution.
2:13:54>> Okay.
2:13:55>> Uh that was all legit.
2:13:58>> So, he legitimately bought the guns.
2:14:00>> Yes, sir.
2:14:00>> Okay. And then I and then I modified the
2:14:02hell out of them.
2:14:03>> Okay.
2:14:03>> Now they're not
2:14:04>> Well, I didn't know if Justin Lawson was
2:14:06buying them from somebody illegally.
2:14:08>> No. Okay.
2:14:09>> U Cabela's Academy. I had one sh the bar
2:14:12got shipped in from Impact Guns.
2:14:14>> Okay.
2:14:15>> Um I got the receipts.
2:14:17>> Okay.
2:14:20These ammo places I did. I
2:14:22>> I got the tax stamps.
2:14:24>> Really?
2:14:24>> Those suppressors were bought legally
2:14:26for about 3 minutes.
2:14:28>> Really?
2:14:29>> Yes.
2:14:30Did you make you made some of the
2:14:31suppressors at the at your lathe?
2:14:34>> Yes.
2:14:35>> How how did you learn to do just on the
2:14:37internet or just looking at the ones and
2:14:39taking breaking them down?
2:14:41>> Uh most of you can't open,
2:14:43>> right?
2:14:44>> And I was trying to explain to the
2:14:45really tall dude with the candy shirt.
2:14:47>> Yeah.
2:14:47>> He's cool as hell, too.
2:14:49>> Joey,
2:14:50>> I guess Gy.
2:14:51>> Yeah.
2:14:51>> Yeah. Yeah. He's a good guy.
2:14:52>> And I explained to him the difference
2:14:53between they had the old stainless steel
2:14:55baffles, then they went to the M baffle.
2:14:57All the end baffle is draw. I don't want
2:15:00to heat that.
2:15:00>> Okay.
2:15:01>> Maff looks like looks like a freeze plug
2:15:03with just a hole in it and they just
2:15:04stack them.
2:15:05>> Mhm.
2:15:06>> Uh that's an M baffle.
2:15:07>> Okay.
2:15:08>> And basically cuz they sometimes they
2:15:10indent this slightly like an M.
2:15:12>> Okay.
2:15:12>> Then you have K baffle. K baffle.
2:15:17>> Um yeah.
2:15:26Now, what this looks like from the down
2:15:28view is you have a circle and then of
2:15:30course right here is your hole the
2:15:32bullet goes through.
2:15:33>> Then you have to take a take a milling
2:15:35machine or drill will work will work and
2:15:37bore a small hole at a diagonal so that
2:15:39you basically cut a hole through to
2:15:41there.
2:15:42>> Right.
2:15:42>> Okay.
2:15:43>> Uh this has to have a well actually but
2:15:46you got to bore a small hole right here.
2:15:48Second
2:15:55>> there. And this is a hollow cone.
2:15:58>> So you basically have to that this just
2:16:00has to have a small hole here. Now the
2:16:01very first the very first one has to
2:16:04have a blast chamber. And all that is is
2:16:06you elongate one
2:16:08>> so that it has a longer time before it
2:16:09actually hits. Otherwise if you're
2:16:11shooting a rifle pistol doesn't need it
2:16:13but a rifle
2:16:14>> it'll knock the crap out of it.
2:16:15>> Okay.
2:16:16>> So you stack these and then the very
2:16:18last one you don't do that. What you do
2:16:20is you take you just make like a wedding
2:16:21ring.
2:16:22>> Mhm.
2:16:22>> And you just basically make a band and
2:16:24then you basically fit it to where so it
2:16:26fits in tightly. And you sit there and
2:16:28you just sand that little bad boy off
2:16:29till it all fits together and you
2:16:30tighten that bad boy up. And I'm going
2:16:31to tell you and then if you look uh at
2:16:34all the um
2:16:37it's going to be funny as hell. Uh lube
2:16:39I have.
2:16:40>> Mhm.
2:16:41>> Dude, that ain't for that ain't for sex.
2:16:43>> The lube in the workshop.
2:16:45>> Yes. All the syringes.
2:16:46>> Yeah.
2:16:47>> IS THAT WHAT THAT IS?
2:16:48>> MHM. We were wondering what that was.
2:16:50We're afraid to
2:16:51>> No, that's like
2:16:53>> All that is all that is is uh wire lube.
2:16:58Wire loop. Pulling lube.
2:17:00If you take If you take pull lube, take
2:17:03your suppressor,
2:17:04squirt it in.
2:17:05>> Mhm.
2:17:06>> Thank you.
2:17:06>> Sorry to interrupt you. The needles,
2:17:09it's lube suppressors.
2:17:12>> If you do that on a pistol suppressor,
2:17:15>> do not do that on a rifle suppressor.
2:17:17>> Mhm. You make it what's called a wet
2:17:19suppression.
2:17:20>> Okay.
2:17:23>> That's That's what I do. Which one you
2:17:26want?
2:17:26>> I don't care. Whichever one you don't.
2:17:31>> Go ahead. If you squirt that into
2:17:35the initial baffles and then screw the
2:17:36hand on,
2:17:37>> it drops your dec.
2:17:39It really gives you an add of thing.
2:17:41Now, me personally, I I only use those
2:17:44>> when I'm playing. Uh, personally, white
2:17:47lithium grease from the spray can.
2:17:49>> Mhm.
2:17:50>> Just take it with the long tube, push
2:17:52all the way in and spray it as you pull
2:17:54out so it hits all of them. Not only
2:17:56will that drop your decel, 3 to four dB,
2:17:59easy, but when you have to clean clean
2:18:01the baffles later on, especially 22
2:18:03baffles, it really gets really dirty.
2:18:07Gets really dirty.
2:18:08>> I use the restroom real quick. I'll be
2:18:09right back.
2:18:11>> Wash your hands.
2:18:16Yes. Yes, sir.
2:18:20>> Boy, when I go back to the pod tonight
2:18:22and I fart, they going to be jealous.
2:18:24>> I hear that.
2:18:32>> Yeah. The only thing I need are those
2:18:33numbers later.
2:18:34>> Yeah, I got you. But I I just put this
2:18:36over here so you wouldn't
2:18:38>> I tell you, you get me talking guns and
2:18:40I can talk about guns for I hear you,
2:18:43dude.
2:18:45Well, he was asking me how I learned all
2:18:47this
2:18:48internet. It goes back to what we were
2:18:51talking about before, huh? Mhm.
2:18:56You sit there,
2:19:00get involved, look at some of how to
2:19:01build some of this stuff. Go online,
2:19:04look at images.
2:19:05>> It's not hard.
2:19:06>> And you reverse engineer it.
2:19:08>> You reverse engineer it. Um the the the
2:19:11shops around here will make them for
2:19:12you. Mhm.
2:19:13>> They're illegal as hell,
2:19:14>> but they will make it. They won't get
2:19:16paid, but they make crap.
2:19:18>> They won't make a cave.
2:19:20>> And that's way the new and the newer
2:19:22ones are called monolith.
2:19:23>> Mhm.
2:19:25>> Where it's tube inside of a tube. It
2:19:27fits totally. And what they do is it
2:19:30looks from the side. They've milled out.
2:19:32>> It looks like washers just stacked this
2:19:34way, but it's just been milled out. And
2:19:36all it does is go through. Now, they're
2:19:38not as quiet,
2:19:40but for a 22 suppressor, you unscrew it
2:19:43cuz you got to do it like every 300
2:19:45rounds or you're you're you're screwed,
2:19:46man.
2:19:47>> Uh do that, knock it off a couple times.
2:19:49I hit it with some white lithium, screw
2:19:51that bad boy back together, you're back
2:19:53in business.
2:19:54>> Um what do you think about the M the HK
2:19:57SDS? the excuse MP5 SDS. It's actually
2:20:01my password for really
2:20:05uh the the MP5 SD2s. Uh
2:20:10they're heavy,
2:20:12but they're awesome. They are
2:20:14>> uh and if you get the Navy Trigger
2:20:15Group,
2:20:16>> um yeah, they're they're awesomeness
2:20:19what they what you can do with them. The
2:20:21the
2:20:22>> Well, they've got the integral the
2:20:24barrel is integral suppressor to it. Uh
2:20:27they are from my understanding they are
2:20:30the baseline stander when testing again.
2:20:32You guys got one, don't you?
2:20:36Saw several. Damn,
2:20:39those are sweet. Um that's what
2:20:42everything else compares itself to.
2:20:43>> Especially what they compare to. You
2:20:44ever seen a honey badger?
2:20:46>> Mhm.
2:20:48>> That is bad.
2:20:51>> The You mean the animal or
2:20:54>> what's What are you talking about? H I
2:20:56don't the AAC Honeybadger.
2:21:00I haven't seen that. What's that?
2:21:03It's the intrical suppressed 300
2:21:06Blackout Honey Badger. Oh,
2:21:09I haven't.
2:21:10>> It's quieter than a MP5 SD.
2:21:13>> It is bad to the bone.
2:21:15>> Now, I'm going to tell you the the the
2:21:16300 whis 300 Blackout is is perfect for
2:21:20you guys on entry.
2:21:21>> I mean, it hits like a freight train.
2:21:23Oh, yeah. And it it cycles. Oh yeah.
2:21:25>> 5.56 and 762 won't cycle. Um
2:21:30it's not as quiet as I would like.
2:21:32>> Mhm.
2:21:33>> I got the 16in upper and I didn't like
2:21:35it.
2:21:36>> Right.
2:21:36>> It wasn't quiet enough. So I had to put
2:21:38it back on the shelf. Never never never
2:21:40shot it again. And then I went and
2:21:41bought a 12 1/2 in upper.
2:21:44It is a little bit quieter, but it's
2:21:46still once again um it's not great. It
2:21:50it it's
2:21:53you're never going to get Hollywood
2:21:54Quiet.
2:21:55>> Now, my 300. Well, you you guys really
2:21:57should have opened up the safe. 65085.
2:22:02I'll make it easy on you. Open the Open
2:22:05the Happy Box up.
2:22:07Uh would love to have the paperwork
2:22:09given to my mom because that's the
2:22:11payments of the land are in there.
2:22:13>> Okay.
2:22:14>> But she only needs the paperwork.
2:22:15>> I got you. Uh the there is a Ruger
2:22:19precision rifle that I've had tweaked in
2:22:21there and there is a it started life
2:22:25started life as a Remington 700 PSS
2:22:29police sniper uh system. Then I modified
2:22:32it and it now has um I took the barrel
2:22:35off the AAC barrel on it. So I shortened
2:22:38the barrel up so when you put a can on
2:22:39it which in the back of the SUV is the
2:22:42Cyclops suppressor port. Okay. Cyclone.
2:22:47Cyclone suppressor for it. Now, that
2:22:50one, if you're shooting any of the
2:22:52subsonics I got,
2:22:55homie don't know you're there.
2:22:56>> I hear you.
2:22:57>> Um,
2:22:59you'll know if somebody
2:23:04they'll hear something, but they won't
2:23:06have any clue what it was
2:23:08>> or where to look.
2:23:12Uh, which means now you can get his
2:23:14buddy. Um, but as far
2:23:17I used to mess with the hunters. The
2:23:18hunters would come on the land and I
2:23:20would play with the hunters. I wouldn't
2:23:22hit them. I got
2:23:23>> but I break the stuff.
2:23:24>> That's when we're talking about
2:23:25thermoses and
2:23:26>> thermoses. Yeah.
2:23:27>> And if I get if you're dumb enough, most
2:23:29of these guys don't know how to use a
2:23:30ton of the the the knobs.
2:23:31>> Mhm.
2:23:32>> They get these man. You see these guys
2:23:34go to Cabelas
2:23:35>> and they get a 338 Laua.
2:23:37>> Mhm.
2:23:39>> Very few people know how to use a piece
2:23:40of machinery.
2:23:42Uh, you're not going to carry. It's like
2:23:43a Barrett.
2:23:44>> Mhm.
2:23:44>> Um, well, I hear on Facebook all the
2:23:48time, that's my favorite gun. Have you
2:23:49ever shot one? No. Why is it your
2:23:52favorite gun? That's what I use on Call
2:23:53of Duty, though.
2:23:55>> Mhm.
2:23:57>> This ain't a video game.
2:23:59>> Trust me.
2:24:01>> And being a sniper is a [ __ ] job.
2:24:06>> It ain't like Hollywood. You going to
2:24:08pee on yourself. You going to sit there
2:24:10long hours. You ain't gonna go nowhere.
2:24:12It's uncomfortable.
2:24:14And nine times out of ten, you ain't get
2:24:15to shoot. You're giving somebody else
2:24:18information.
2:24:19It ain't the cool job. And you tell that
2:24:22that's what I like.
2:24:25And they go with the Barrett. I go, "Do
2:24:26you even have any idea what that thing
2:24:27is for?"
2:24:28>> It's me not meant for people. It's meant
2:24:32to take out vehicles, radar domes,
2:24:35missile systems. That's right. Um,
2:24:39if some [ __ ] wants to go behind a
2:24:41barricade,
2:24:43I don't think you guys will need to bear
2:24:44it cuz you never know,
2:24:46>> right?
2:24:46>> But I mean, I'd rather have it than not
2:24:48have it.
2:24:49>> That's true.
2:24:50>> The uh
2:24:53I'm going to step on back here.
2:24:56You still
2:24:58>> water? Yeah.
2:24:59>> Don't leave me halfway with the water.
2:25:05We talking guns again. Huh?
2:25:06>> We talking guns.
2:25:07>> I'm actually fascinated by it. What
2:25:09you're telling me?
2:25:11>> Well, they got that the integrals. The
2:25:13integrals are the whole barrel is an
2:25:15actual
2:25:16>> the tube for the suppressor and then
2:25:17they have a new monolith
2:25:19>> which they they're only for 22s. I've
2:25:23got one. You play with it. Um
2:25:27it's two inside of tube. It just threads
2:25:29in. Mhm. And it's got
2:25:36you got the hole through. It's like
2:25:38washers. What they've done is they just
2:25:39basically taken a um a milling machine
2:25:42and drilled through and just take out as
2:25:44much material as they can
2:25:45>> so it's light as possible.
2:25:47>> Mhm.
2:25:49>> Thank you.
2:25:52So I'm going eat
2:25:58he has a high so he has to eat alone cuz
2:26:00he slow real slow
2:26:03around other people and it takes him too
2:26:05long.
2:26:06>> I love him to that I love him to death.
2:26:16>> Is that good?
2:26:17>> Mhm.
2:26:20you wrong, man. Do what you want to say.
2:26:22>> I made a joke with him. I was like,
2:26:23"Yeah, I'm going to go back to pod. I'm
2:26:24going let one part loose like everybody
2:26:26else.
2:26:31>> Take this crap dust, [ __ ]
2:26:35You all have sandwiches again."
2:26:43Oh, they're all back in the hesit.
2:26:48Well, the thing about it is there kids
2:26:50today are, you know, they call them
2:26:52millennials
2:26:53and they want everything handed to them
2:26:56at a buddy.
2:27:00And this is when I first realized it
2:27:03when I we didn't expect it from my
2:27:04generation.
2:27:06You when you been to Jacksonville,
2:27:10>> Jacksonville, Florida?
2:27:11>> I've not
2:27:12>> When you come into Jacksonville on St.
2:27:13Jones River and through the inter
2:27:15coastal. There's a place called North
2:27:17Florida uh North Porter Steel, North
2:27:19Florida shipyards.
2:27:20>> Mhm.
2:27:21>> His parents owned all of it.
2:27:23>> Mhm.
2:27:23>> And his dad and his uncle and he went to
2:27:26the Citadel.
2:27:27>> Mhm.
2:27:27>> He was going to go into the military.
2:27:29>> Found out he had a heart murmur so he
2:27:31couldn't. So he goes to the Citadel. He
2:27:33graduates from the Citadel. He thinks he
2:27:35should go from the Citadel to the
2:27:37boardroom.
2:27:38Said, "Dude, doesn't work like that.
2:27:40You've got to pay your dues." Mhm.
2:27:42>> It took me
2:27:45It took me I've been in violent crimes
2:27:48now for 5 years.
2:27:49>> Mhm.
2:27:50>> I've been a cop for 19.
2:27:52>> It took me that long to get into violent
2:27:55crimes because I
2:27:57>> One of one of the guards that's at the
2:28:00jail
2:28:01>> is a friend of mine on Facebook.
2:28:03>> Haven't seen him.
2:28:04>> Mhm.
2:28:04>> Um he had a heart problem. Had surgery
2:28:07the other day.
2:28:08>> Chris something. I don't remember his
2:28:09last name.
2:28:10>> I know what you're talking about. Yeah.
2:28:11>> Super nice guy. Mhm.
2:28:12>> Um, he's really depressed.
2:28:14>> Mhm.
2:28:15>> And I mean, I was the guy on Facebook
2:28:16that used to always kid with him.
2:28:18>> He's going to blow his mind when he see
2:28:19when he see if he ever sees me. We've
2:28:21never met. But the uh I'm always the one
2:28:24giving him the pep talk about, "Dude,
2:28:26seriously, you know, I call him my
2:28:28Aryan."
2:28:30>> BALLHEADED KID.
2:28:31>> YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. I know exactly
2:28:35what you're talking about.
2:28:37And we were talking one day and he wants
2:28:39to work the jail so that eventually
2:28:42Chuck Wright will let him move to patrol
2:28:45>> because he wants to be
2:28:47a sergeant or something and he wants to
2:28:49go SWAT.
2:28:50>> Mhm.
2:28:51>> I said that's great, but you realize
2:28:52it's going to take a little bit of time.
2:28:53>> Mhm.
2:28:54>> Yeah.
2:28:54>> Well, and the thing about it is, and I I
2:28:58say this now,
2:29:03most other sheriff's offices do that.
2:29:06>> Mhm.
2:29:07And the reason being when they put me on
2:29:10the road straight out of the academy.
2:29:12>> Mhm.
2:29:13>> After my field training, everything I
2:29:15really wasn't ready.
2:29:16>> Mhm.
2:29:17>> I was 26 years old, but I had gone from
2:29:22suburbia
2:29:24to being out there. You know, I had a
2:29:26lot of people that took me under their
2:29:27wing and made sure I was okay. But, you
2:29:32know, I'm still out there. Mhm.
2:29:34>> So the sheriff's
2:29:37and and it's he's modeling other
2:29:40agencies.
2:29:41>> You put them in the jail, they're in a
2:29:42controlled environment. They learn how
2:29:44to deal with people.
2:29:46>> Mhm.
2:29:46>> They learn how to deal with people in
2:29:48close quarters. They learn how to
2:29:50communicate with people.
2:29:52>> Then after they do that, if they show,
2:29:54you know, a proficiency for that, then
2:29:57they can apply to transfer over to the
2:30:00sheriff's office. And if the supervisors
2:30:02in the jail say, "Yes, this is a good
2:30:04candidate."
2:30:05>> Mhm.
2:30:05>> Then they can do that. And it what it
2:30:08does, it puts better officers on the
2:30:10street, you know, because one of the
2:30:12worst things you do, you give a young
2:30:15kid a badge, and I ran into it. You give
2:30:17a young kid a badge and he goes from
2:30:20college to a badge and a gun and he's 6'
2:30:24tall and bulletproof, and you're not
2:30:25going to tell him anything. He knows
2:30:28everything. That's where you get the one
2:30:30officer who does bad.
2:30:32>> Mhm.
2:30:33>> But then from that moment on, the public
2:30:35sees
2:30:36>> Mhm.
2:30:38>> that one officer who doesn't see the
2:30:40other 80,
2:30:41>> right,
2:30:42>> that are doing their job.
2:30:43>> Mhm.
2:30:44>> I haven't had a bad experience with law
2:30:46enforcement. My experience with law
2:30:47enforcement has been when I got messed
2:30:49up. Mhm.
2:30:50>> Um
2:30:53I've had people actually they're not
2:30:55allow their kids to be friends with my
2:30:57son
2:30:58>> because they found out I was cop.
2:31:03And when he first came to me with it and
2:31:04asked me about it, I said I said,
2:31:06"Honey,
2:31:08he's a little guy."
2:31:10Um and it upset him. He he wasn't even
2:31:1410 yet. Um and he's like, "I don't
2:31:16understand." And I said, 'Honey, I said,
2:31:18' That tells me that they're either
2:31:22doing something wrong. They've had a run
2:31:24in with the law that they did something
2:31:26wrong.
2:31:27>> Mhm.
2:31:27>> Or they have a family member that has
2:31:30had a run in and that they did something
2:31:32wrong. It's no reflection on you or me.
2:31:35>> Mhm.
2:31:35>> You know, it's a reflection on them. And
2:31:37if they don't want to be your friend
2:31:39because of that, then they're not a
2:31:40friend you want to have. or if their
2:31:42parents won't let them be your friend
2:31:43because of that, then that's not a
2:31:45friend that I want.
2:31:47>> I got cops on my friends list on
2:31:49Facebook.
2:31:49>> Mhm.
2:31:51>> Okay. I may not sit here and talk guns
2:31:53with you all day cuz you might find out
2:31:54that, hey, you know, I have them.
2:31:56>> Mhm.
2:31:57>> But we talk about cars and I talk about
2:31:59women and I talk about all kinds of
2:32:00other things and I make people laugh.
2:32:02>> Mhm.
2:32:03>> You're funny.
2:32:05>> Yeah.
2:32:06And I give him so much hassle.
2:32:11He gets to have the press.
2:32:15>> No, but
2:32:18he
2:32:20know it's it's just it's really kind of
2:32:22wild. I need to ask you a couple
2:32:24questions real quick.
2:32:25>> Sure.
2:32:25>> Before I forget
2:32:28the fleece that you wore, you said you
2:32:30still had it to supervise.
2:32:34>> Where is it at?
2:32:44closet.
2:32:44>> Is it going to be in the closet in your
2:32:48>> house? The house.
2:32:52>> Damn thing still fit.
2:32:54>> What's it look like? What kind is it?
2:33:02>> It's a Colombia on it.
2:33:04>> It's a Colombia, please. Mhm.
2:33:10the shoulder holster. Do you saw that?
2:33:12>> No.
2:33:16>> Many like it.
2:33:21>> Got a nice gym set.
2:33:37You guys just aren't used to having
2:33:41you know it's funny. It's not funny. I
2:33:43shouldn't say it's funny.
2:33:46Um
2:33:51I have a friend who introduced my wife
2:33:54and me to each other.
2:33:56He's in the same position you're in
2:33:58right now
2:34:00in Florida.
2:34:02>> This big of a problem?
2:34:03>> Pretty close.
2:34:04>> I am.
2:34:05>> And he actually introduced my wife and
2:34:07me in high school. We grew up together
2:34:09in high school. So that's like I grew up
2:34:13with him from the
2:34:16seventh grade through college. His
2:34:18issue, he he was corruption officer, but
2:34:21his issue was he married a girl and she
2:34:25got him hooked on drugs
2:34:27and you know he ended up making some
2:34:29really bad decisions. Um, so kind of
2:34:32like and he made me laugh.
2:34:36So when I'm sitting here talking to you,
2:34:38>> I kind of I kind of see that, you know,
2:34:42my friend, you know, so that it's kind
2:34:45of, you know, it's kind of it's kind of
2:34:48um
2:34:49>> I'm just wondering.
2:34:52>> I wonder how this is going to play out.
2:34:55Right. Then
2:34:57>> they're either going to put me on a burn
2:35:00>> Mhm.
2:35:01>> which is what I'm expecting.
2:35:04>> That's what I'm expecting.
2:35:07Or they're going to put me in a little
2:35:09box somewhere
2:35:11away from anybody and everybody, which I
2:35:13don't expect. I actually expected her.
2:35:15>> What do you want?
2:35:20>> I mean, all joking aside, I'll tell
2:35:21them. What do you want?
2:35:22>> Take me out back. She be back in bed. I
2:35:24wouldn't
2:35:27I had this
2:35:31I studied psychology a little bit in
2:35:34college. You want me to finish like I
2:35:35said I was trying I'm working on finish
2:35:37college
2:35:40but people at superbikes made you angry.
2:35:42>> Mhm.
2:35:43>> I don't know you tell people superbikes
2:35:46made you angry and
2:35:49and not just angry but I mean they
2:35:50belittled you they humiliated you. They
2:35:52made you angry enough to to do what
2:35:54happened.
2:35:58>> And then you had the situation last this
2:36:00last Christmas and then this most recent
2:36:01situation.
2:36:02>> Mhm.
2:36:04>> The time span.
2:36:07>> What kept
2:36:10anything from happening? You know, cuz
2:36:12that's a question.
2:36:14>> I don't need to kill.
2:36:15>> Well, I'm not saying we do. I mean, you
2:36:18you know, but that's a that's a genuine
2:36:20question. I mean, per
2:36:23per your legal definition,
2:36:25>> I'm serial. But I'm not.
2:36:28>> Okay.
2:36:29>> Honestly, if
2:36:31Johnny hadn't pulled the knife
2:36:33>> Mhm.
2:36:34>> If you'd seen the knife, you'd laugh
2:36:35your ass off.
2:36:36>> Really?
2:36:37>> Oh, god.
2:36:39Black and white tiger stripe.
2:36:42>> It was one of those.
2:36:42>> The handle.
2:36:43>> Yeah. The first time you buy at the
2:36:46little convenience store. ARE YOU
2:36:47SERIOUS?
2:36:50I'M going my ammo costs more than your
2:36:52than your damn knife. Are you kidding
2:36:54me? It cost me money.
2:36:56>> You're going to stab me. At least stab
2:36:58me with a butt knife or something.
2:37:01Something with some something wrong with
2:37:03a little history, you know.
2:37:05>> Get the thing up on the
2:37:09[ __ ]
2:37:12This is after you shot him. Oh yeah.
2:37:16He put that thing out and I went,
2:37:20"Here's how it's going to go." Okay,
2:37:22let's dance.
2:37:24And the other problem is if they don't
2:37:27put me on the ground.
2:37:28>> Mhm.
2:37:31>> When the people inside realize the
2:37:33people I hunt, it's them.
2:37:41I'll be scared to death of you.
2:37:47They'll they'll be scared to do that to
2:37:48you
2:37:51cuz I've never in my life. Never heard
2:37:53that in person. I'm entirely okay with
2:37:54that.
2:37:55>> It's just like with supervising some of
2:37:56this. It's just a reactional situation.
2:37:59>> Mhm.
2:38:03>> I would have never heard it person
2:38:05again.
2:38:08I had a problem with the drug dealers,
2:38:09but I kept it
2:38:12under control. Mhm.
2:38:15>> But then um
2:38:17very uncle.
2:38:21>> I I had a drug dealer. I lost my cousin.
2:38:24My my my best cousin. You you always
2:38:27have my mom's My dad's family is a small
2:38:31family.
2:38:32>> I mean, I shouldn't say small family.
2:38:34His
2:38:35father had six brothers and a sister.
2:38:38But as far as he was an only child. My
2:38:41mom's family, she's got a big family,
2:38:45had a real close cousin, and in the
2:38:47beginning of the year,
2:38:49um, someone gave her some drugs
2:38:52>> that they shouldn't have
2:38:54>> and she had a heart condition
2:38:59and she went to sleep and they were low
2:39:02financial means.
2:39:03>> Mhm.
2:39:04>> And she went to sleep with her daughter,
2:39:06the bed, and passed in her sleep. Then
2:39:10her daughter woke up
2:39:11>> and found her and that's something her
2:39:13daughter's going to live with with for
2:39:15the rest rest rest rest rest rest rest
2:39:15rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest
2:39:15rest rest rest rest rest rest rest of
2:39:15her life and you know so I mean I the
2:39:19drug dealer the drug thing it just you
2:39:21know
2:39:21>> it it digs in me a lot
2:39:23>> I've seen too many people go down that
2:39:25path
2:39:28>> I don't like the junkies but I can
2:39:30understand the junkies
2:39:32>> the dealer the dealer's only

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