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0:00People would walk through deliverance. 6
0:02months later, I see them right back. The
0:03spiritual bondage has been removed, but
0:06you never close the door to what put
0:07them in bondage in the first place.
0:08>> Let's go.
0:09>> We remove the bondage, but we never
0:11address the counterfeit intimacy. When
0:12you don't turn to God to fill that
0:13wound, your soul starts searching for
0:15where can I get it from.
0:16>> The hungrier you are,
0:18>> the less discriminating you are about
0:20what you eat. Why is this happening?
0:22When you have misdiagnosed roots, you
0:24never know what to do with the fruit.
0:25So, fruit is actually [music] the
0:27byproduct of partnership.
0:30Meaning if I see a baby bump on a woman
0:34and [music] I see the woman with a man
0:36sitting in the living room, I don't got
0:38to really ask much questions. I can tell
0:41that there was partnership that happened
0:43between her and somebody else.
0:45>> Where there's partnership [music] with
0:46flesh,
0:47>> uhoh,
0:47>> with wounds, with demonic influence,
0:50you're going to see a different type of
0:51fruit. We we call that strange fruit. I
0:54don't have to try to produce peace. It
0:56comes as a [music] byproduct of my
0:58relationship with the prince of peace.
1:00We in the kingdom are so used to people
1:02manufacturing fruit. We can't even tell
1:04what is organic fruit now and what is
1:07actually manufactured. You will know
1:09them by their fruit. Jesus wasn't giving
1:12us a tool to identify false prophets. He
1:14was given us a universal spiritual law.
1:16The fruit that I see emanating from your
1:19life. Thank you, Lord. and you're not
1:21producing [music] the type of fruit that
1:23resonates with the kingdom, then you're
1:25in trouble of being casted into the
1:26[music] fire. Anxiety is a fruit.
1:28Chronic lust is a fruit. Bitterness is a
1:30fruit. Perfectionism is a fruit. You
1:32cannot cast out a fruit. You must break
1:34the agreement that produced [music] it.
1:36Okay? The FDA of heaven, the Food Drug
1:38Administration, right? The Faith
1:40Distinction Agency of Heaven, looking at
1:42your fruit and saying, "This fruit came
1:43from faith." You can have 20 years of
1:45ministry and two of them count. I'mma
1:47either rebuke, I'mma either cast him
1:49out. Never in my life will I say, "How
1:52did they get here?" Now we're over here
1:53trying to diagnose someone who has a
1:56spirit of Jezebel.
1:57>> Him or her have actually been seduced by
1:59the spirit of Jezebel.
2:01What was going on in your soul that even
2:03made Jezebel appealing [music] to you?
2:05You should cast out Jezebel. But then
2:06what do you do with the soul that had a
2:09vacuum
2:10because they had a need? Avoid that one
2:12filler. They didn't know how to fill it.
2:14H. And sometimes it's even unkind to
2:16walk someone through deliverance if
2:17[music] you don't have a plan of how to
2:18help them disciple their soul
2:20afterwards. Okay, say it a little
2:22louder. You're setting them up for seven
2:25times worse than they just let. He
2:27called Lazarus from the dead, called him
2:29out of the grave, and Lazarus came forth
2:30and but then he assigned Lazarus to the
2:33individuals around him to loose him from
2:36the bandages. We have assumed the spirit
2:39of Cain. When we walk around and claim
2:42that we are not our brother's keeper, I
2:44only know how to engage with flesh and
2:46blood. And then I forfeit my
2:48responsibility to loose you from what
2:51the Lord assigned me to loose you from.
2:55>> And the Lord reveals [music] himself to
2:58me.
2:58>> This is not a podcast. This is a
3:00deliverance ministry. God is going to
3:01deliver just as many, if [music] not
3:02more here than he does inside of church
3:04buildings.
3:05>> And you got to keep giving yourself over
3:07to it. It's [music] proving it to you
3:09over and over. and the weightiness of
3:10your anointing, the Lord says thousands
3:12will be delivered.
3:13>> It's an honor for me once again to have
3:16my brother back in the room. This is a
3:18man that we we met just like
3:22half-hazardly or so someone would say,
3:25God has strategically placed you in my
3:26life to be an anchor, to be a pillar.
3:29You're part of my personal intercessory
3:31team. Um someone who can speak life into
3:34me, to encourage me, to drop revelations
3:36onto me like you always do. And I just
3:38want to say thank you for being in my
3:40life. But also,
3:42man of God, you'll be teaching that
3:44word, man. I said, I've got to have you
3:47back to share something that you shared
3:49with our community. Um, we could talk a
3:52little bit about that when this is over.
3:54And I'm just like, we got to have you
3:55back. Just to just share that because it
3:57changed my life. And so, once again, I
3:59want to introduce to some and
4:01reintroduce to many others Dr.
4:04[laughter]
4:06Robert Hallwell. Man, thank you so much
4:08for being with me, bro.
4:09>> Hey, man. It's a It's a pleasure to be
4:10here again,
4:11>> man. I said doctor cuz the way you
4:12dress, man, you look like
4:14>> I'll take it. [laughter]
4:16>> All right, man. So, I'm not even going
4:18to waste any time. If you guys don't
4:19know his testimony, please. I'm going to
4:21put the link in the description so you
4:23guys can see this man has come out of
4:25darkness.
4:26>> Amen.
4:27>> I mean, he was bound. There was no He
4:30was not turning turning away from it. He
4:32even wrote a book um that God gave him
4:35to deal with the principalities as it
4:37relates to the Greek organizations and
4:40things of that sort. If you've never
4:41watched that episode, trust me, it's a
4:44mustwatch because he didn't just stop
4:46there. He started to talk about soul
4:47wounds. And I hope he gets into it a
4:50little bit today. Um today, I'm just
4:51going to release you how the Lord uh put
4:54it on your heart. He's talking about
4:57fruit and how you can trace the essence
5:01of a fruit back to its root. He's going
5:03to describe kingdom fruit, but then also
5:05the other side of what fruit looks like.
5:07And so, I'm just going to release you,
5:09man. Let the Lord have his way in you,
5:11bro.
5:11>> Man, man, thank you so much. Uh it's
5:13it's it's been such an amazing journey.
5:15I mean, I think uh even since my last
5:18time here on the podcast and what God
5:20has allowed to happen and all the
5:22testimonies that have came from just
5:24that podcast and I'm just blessed uh to
5:27be able to share and for God to be able
5:29to use me in the way that he's he's been
5:31using me. Uh one of the things it's it's
5:33always interesting when you kind of know
5:35yourself, right? and and and you know
5:37the things that you want to fix, you
5:39know, the things that you want, you
5:40know, you're still kind of laying before
5:42the Lord. And then for God to be able to
5:44speak through you, you know, I I I'm I'm
5:47like I'm just robbed. You see what I'm
5:49saying? And so, but then to see what
5:50what God is able to do through me and
5:53through soul disciplehip. Um, we have a
5:55community that's about about a thousand
5:56people now um that's walking through
5:58soul wounds, getting healed from soul
6:01voids um and able to actually get their
6:03soul restored so that they can as Psalms
6:0523 through through 5 uh 1-5 says like
6:08you know he he restores my soul then he
6:10leads me in the path of righteousness
6:11good for his name's sake and seeing so
6:14many people get their soul restored.
6:15It's definitely been a blessing. How do
6:17you how do you get a part of that
6:19community? You could just
6:20>> uh sure. Um so we're actually launching
6:22uh sould discipleship.org
6:25where you can actually register to
6:26become part of the community. Um and as
6:28as a little bit of what I will speak
6:30about today um to do the fruit
6:32assessment, right? Um, and so one of the
6:35things that I realized as I was helping
6:36walk people through deliverance, not
6:38only just through deliverance, but one
6:39of the things that I was seeing, and I I
6:41think I mentioned last time is that
6:43people would walk through deliverance
6:45and then 6 months later, I'd see them
6:47right again. I'd see them right back.
6:49And I started praying. I was like,
6:50"Okay, God, h how do how do we have the
6:52fruit remain?" Right? We like, you know,
6:54I got tired of seeing people to get
6:56their full deliverance but not be able
6:58to maintain their deliverance. Come on.
7:00>> And and I said, "Okay, something else is
7:02happening." right? When you could walk
7:04out free but then not have the tools,
7:06not be equipped to to maintain the
7:09deliverance that you received. And so
7:10then God started speaking to me. He
7:12said, "It's soul disciplehip, right? The
7:15spiritual bondage has been removed,
7:16right? The stronghold has been removed,
7:18but you never close the door to what put
7:20them in bondage in the first place."
7:21>> Let's go. Let's talk.
7:23>> Um and so, and so soul disciplehip, God
7:25started saying me that a lot of these
7:27people have soul voids. They have soul
7:28wounds, right? Their soul was thirsting
7:30for something just like the woman at the
7:31well who was thirsting for things that
7:33couldn't satisfy. Yes. Right. Her thirst
7:35and and her inability to find the true
7:38water, the living water that can fill
7:40her thirst. So she's she started looking
7:41for counterfeit intimacy.
7:43>> Right. And it was through the
7:44counterfeit intimacy that she was
7:46reaching for through the sin that
7:48actually created the bondage. And so
7:50many times through deliverance, we heal.
7:52We we remove the bondage, but we never
7:54address the counterfeit intimacy. We
7:56never address the voids that she was
7:58that she was that she had in her life.
7:59We never say, "Hey, there was actually a
8:01legitimate need here." Come on. Right?
8:03There was a need that she didn't know
8:04how to get filled, right? She didn't
8:06know how to get filled. And so, because
8:07there was a need, she had a void. And a
8:10void is always going to is always going
8:11to be a vacuum for to be filled, right?
8:13It's it's a a void is a vacuum of the
8:15soul. Right.
8:16>> So, explain that part right there. Right
8:18there.
8:19>> Okay. So, so let's say for example, and
8:21I'll give you an example. Say if you
8:23grew up without a father.
8:24>> Yes.
8:24>> Right. And so the love and the
8:26affirmation that you normally get and
8:28the identity that a father speaks into
8:30you, right, that comes from from the
8:33authority that God gives a father to
8:35speak into the child. Yes, sir.
8:37>> Right. And so when there's an absence of
8:38that, right, the soul is still longing
8:40for that. The soul is long to say,
8:42"Wait, where's that affirmation that I
8:44didn't get? Where's that where's that
8:45that that that author, that identity?"
8:48And so your soul starts looking, right?
8:50And when there's no when and we call
8:52that a wound, right? There's a soul
8:53wound and there's a soul void. Okay, a
8:56soul void is when there's something that
8:57you didn't get that you should have had.
8:59Okay, a soul wound when is when there's
9:01an injury. Okay, so just to make that
9:03distinction. So let's start with soul
9:05voids. Okay, so a soul void is when your
9:08father was should have been there. He
9:09should have spoke into you, but he
9:10didn't. Right? So now your soul is
9:12looking for that place to be filled.
9:14>> When when there's not when when you
9:16don't turn to the Lord, when you don't
9:18turn to God to fill that wound, your
9:20soul starts searching for where can I
9:21get it from? where can I get it from?
9:23And you will fill it with anything.
9:25That's why some people fill it with
9:27Greek life, right? They're looking for
9:29identity. This will give me identity.
9:31This will give me the affirmation,
9:32right? That was my story, right? I so
9:35desperately wanted brotherhood. I so
9:36desperately wanted, you know, to to
9:38figure out I feel like I I was looking
9:39for how to how to be successful, but I
9:41didn't know how to get there.
9:42>> Oh my goodness.
9:42>> And then something came along and said,
9:44"You know what? I'll help you do that.
9:46I'll help you be successful. I'll help
9:48you get identity. Look at MLK. You want
9:50to be great like MLK. He was great. Come
9:52join us. Right. And the soul voice was
9:55speaking so loudly that it grabbed onto
9:57it.
9:57>> So you said something came along and you
10:00reached out for it. It reminds me I
10:02don't want to interrupt you, but it
10:03reminds me of hunger. Like
10:05>> the hungrier you are,
10:07>> the less discriminating you are about
10:09what you eat.
10:10>> Exactly.
10:10>> And so I done found myself in a line at
10:13a particular place that I swore I would
10:15never go. Yeah.
10:16>> At the fast food line at this place. I
10:18called my wife and she said, "Where you
10:19at?" I'm like, I'm at what's the name?
10:21You know what she said? You must be
10:23really hungry.
10:24>> Exactly.
10:25>> And so that soul wound, the deeper it
10:28is, the greater it is, the less
10:30discriminating you are about what you
10:32fill it with. But go ahead, man.
10:33>> No. Ex. Exact. Exactly. And so, um, and
10:35so I started just like praying about it
10:37like, okay, God, how do we fill it? And
10:38so that's when he started giving me like
10:40this this this almost formula, right?
10:43And it's it's using biblical scripture
10:45to to have people to assess, okay,
10:48what's going on in your life? Right?
10:50What fruit are you seeing in your life?
10:52Right? And and for me, I for so long I
10:55there was fruit that was being developed
10:57in my life, but I I and I would see the
11:00the the result of it, but I never was
11:03able to trace it back, right? So like
11:05why is this happening? Right? Uh I I
11:08there's a there's a scripture that that
11:10David says uh uh why am I like this,
11:13>> right? Like why why am I like this? And
11:15so many times we see the behaviors that
11:17are being produced in people, but we
11:19never stop to say, "Okay, we see the
11:20fruit that's happening, right? But but
11:23what is actually the root of where it's
11:24coming from?"
11:25>> My goodness.
11:25>> Right. And and so many times we
11:26misdiagnosed roots, right? When you when
11:29you have misdiagnosed roots, you never
11:31know what to do with the fruit.
11:33>> Wait, explain, man. That's why I be
11:36like, "Slow down. What does that mean?"
11:38>> Right. Right.
11:39>> So So let's get to it. All right. Let's
11:41we going to start from the beginning.
11:43Okay. Um because most believers, right,
11:45they they will define themselves by the
11:48fruit, okay? By the fruit that they see
11:50in their lives, right? Um behaviors,
11:52habits, um reactions, emotions, right?
11:54But they they really ever slow down to
11:56say, "Okay, what where what is the what
11:59spirit is this fruit coming from?" Okay?
12:02Um if you look at John uh John 15,
12:04right? Scripture never cause us to
12:06actually produce fruit. Okay? Scriptures
12:09never tells us to produce fruit that we
12:11should be producing fruit. All right.
12:14John 15:4 and5 it says abide in me and I
12:18will abide in you and you will bear much
12:21fruit. Okay. So fruit is actually the
12:24byproduct of partnership.
12:28Okay?
12:30Right? Fruit is not an achievement.
12:32Okay? It is the byproduct of
12:34partnership. Okay? where there's
12:37consistent partnership with the Holy
12:38Spirit, you'll see Galatians, right?
12:41Five, right? It becomes your natural
12:43overflow. You naturally will have joy.
12:45You naturally will have peace. You
12:47naturally will have love. It comes as a
12:50byproduct of the partnership. Do y'all
12:53hear what this man just said? He said,
12:56"Fruit is a byproduct of partnership."
13:00Meaning if I see a baby bump on a woman
13:05and I see the woman with a man sitting
13:08in the living room, I don't got to
13:09really ask much questions. I don't have
13:11to diagnose. I can tell that there was
13:14partnership that happened between her
13:16and somebody else. And this is the
13:19result of the partnership.
13:20>> Exactly. Exactly. Right. But where
13:23there's partnership with flesh uh
13:25>> oh
13:25>> with wounds with demonic influence
13:28you're going to see a different type of
13:30fruit be produced.
13:32>> Oh man. A different kind. We call that
13:34strange fruit. Okay. You start seeing
13:37strange fruit. And the reality is that
13:39we start seeing strange fruit all around
13:41the kingdom and we mislabel it, right?
13:44Without without really understanding.
13:46Wait, it's you're not just super angry.
13:49You're not just super stressed. You're
13:51not just filled with anxiety. No, no,
13:52there's a root to that thing, right?
13:54There's a partnership that you haven't
13:56identified. Okay? And and when you start
13:59identifying that every fruit that you
14:01see, right, there there's not going to
14:02be any fruit that you see in this
14:04natural world that you that that's going
14:05to be produced by itself.
14:07>> All right? Show me one fruit in nature
14:10that's produced that didn't come from a
14:12root.
14:14I'll wait.
14:17Okay. Any fruit that you see is the is
14:20the fruit is the byproduct of a
14:22relationship.
14:24Okay? Is the is the byproduct of
14:26something down deeper. Right? And so
14:28many people I I'll say like this. I
14:30don't have to try to produce peace.
14:33Okay? It comes as as as a byproduct of
14:37my relationship with the prince of
14:38peace.
14:41Right? If you're constantly anxious,
14:44>> come on, man.
14:44>> Where is that coming from? a
14:46partnership. A partnership. And And when
14:50when when we hear uh Jesus say in in in
14:52the book of John that if you abide in me
14:55and I abide in you, then you will you
14:56will bear much fruit. Right? We this
14:58this is this is him echoing Genesis,
15:02right? Before the fall, okay? Because
15:04he's actually bringing us back to Eden.
15:06>> There it is.
15:06>> Right. When you see Adam in the garden,
15:08right? Fruit was was plentiful.
15:11>> Come on, man.
15:12>> Right. Originally, fruit was plentiful.
15:14He didn't have to try to originally make
15:16any fruit or produce fruit. All he had
15:17to do was abide, commune with the Lord.
15:21Okay? What with him being in constant
15:24community with the Lord, fruit was in
15:26abundance. All right? It's not until
15:28Genesis 3 that we actually see right
15:32after the fall when he actually is
15:34broken in community in in communion with
15:36the Lord. You hear you hear God say,
15:39"Now by the sweat of your brow will you
15:42will fruit be produced from the ground."
15:45Okay? So you having to manufacture your
15:47fruit actually comes with the curse.
15:51You have to try to be peaceful means
15:53that you're still under the curse. You
15:54have to try to have love means that
15:56you're actually under the curse. You
15:57have to try, you know what I'm saying,
15:59to to have joy. That's good. Is actually
16:01being under the curse. And that's why
16:03when Jesus comes, he comes to reinstate
16:05us back to the community we are supposed
16:08to have where you just abide in me, I
16:10abide in you and fruit comes naturally.
16:12>> Thank you, Lord.
16:13>> Right? And that's what so many people
16:15are are misunderstanding. And so when
16:17when you start saying, you know what, I
16:18I just I just feel myself getting so
16:20frustrated.
16:21It's time to start checking what's going
16:23on with those roots, right? It's not
16:26time to start checking, right? What's
16:28happening on the inside, right? Because
16:30if if you're exhausted by trying to be
16:32peaceful,
16:33>> it means that you're manufacturing
16:34peace. And the the reality is that we
16:37don't even know how to to identify
16:40fruit, what fruit is real, and what
16:43fruit is GMO.
16:46Okay? We in the kingdom are so used to
16:49people manufacturing fruit that we don't
16:51even know. We can't even tell what is
16:53organic fruit now and what is actually
16:56manufactured.
16:57>> Goodness.
16:58>> Okay. But like I said, fruit always
17:01reveals partnership. All right? And so
17:04in Matthew 7:16-20, right? Jesus said,
17:06"You will know them by their fruit."
17:09Okay? So here, Jesus just was just
17:11wasn't giving us a tool to identify
17:13false prophets. Okay? He was giving us a
17:16universal spiritual law. All right? That
17:19fruit always reveals the root. Okay?
17:23Your fruit will always reveal your root.
17:25Right? A person never needs to announce
17:26me their spiritual condition. audition.
17:29Let me say that again. A person never
17:31needs to announce their spiritual
17:32condition. All right? Your fruit
17:34announced it way before you did.
17:38Okay?
17:40People never need to. No one ever needs
17:42to come to me like, "I'm a Christian.
17:44I'm a believer. I'm spending time with
17:46the Holy Spirit. The fruit that I see
17:48emanating from your life." Thank you,
17:50Lord.
17:50>> Right. Will tell me exactly how much
17:52time you're spending with the Holy
17:53Spirit.
17:58The Bible even says like this, right?
18:00You shall know them by their fruits. Do
18:02men gather grapes of thorns or figs of
18:06thistles? Even so, every good tree
18:09bringeth forth good fruit, but a corrupt
18:12tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good
18:15tree cannot bring forth evil fruit.
18:18Listen, a good tree cannot bring forth
18:21evil fruit.
18:23That's Bible. So if you see corrupted
18:27fruit coming out, you you know where it
18:30comes from. All right? Um every tree
18:33that bringeth not forth good fruit,
18:34henceforth is cast into the fire. That
18:37right there should should put a tremble
18:39in everybody.
18:42Okay? Because God is literally saying,
18:43if I'm looking at you and you're not
18:47producing the type of fruit that
18:48resonates with the kingdom, then you're
18:50in trouble of being casted into the
18:52fire.
18:55And I think some people what's what
18:57what's tripping some people out is
18:59because when they hear the fruit
19:00conversation what they hear is works.
19:04And the way I describe fruit which is in
19:05alignment with what you're saying is
19:07fruit has more to do with identity.
19:09Fruit is literally biologically it is
19:12the expression or the outward manifest
19:16manifestation of the essence of its
19:19origin. Meaning if I want to understand
19:21an orange,
19:22>> I I I just look at the tree. Or if I
19:25want to understand the tree, I look at
19:26the orange. They they're interconnected
19:28by their relationship. In the same way,
19:30fruit has more to do with who I am.
19:34>> And so why that branch is being cut off
19:37and thrown away. It's not because
19:39they're not doing all the right things.
19:41is because there is no DNA genetic
19:45evidence that that verifies and
19:47substantiates its identity,
19:49>> right?
19:50>> You're not a branch,
19:51>> right? Right.
19:53>> Of the tree that you're supposed to be
19:54part of of that tree.
19:57>> Okay. You're not a branch of that tree.
19:59Right. Many believers only rebuke the
20:01And this is what I see so much in soul
20:03disciplehip and people that are just
20:04coming in. A lot of times they see the
20:06fruit in their life and they're trying
20:07to rebuke the fruit.
20:09Okay? Anxiety is a fruit. Rage is a
20:13fruit. Chronic lust is a fruit, right?
20:16>> What?
20:16>> Bitterness is a fruit. Okay.
20:18Perfectionism is a fruit, right? Uh
20:21emotional numbness is a fruit. Okay. You
20:24cannot cast out a fruit,
20:26>> right? You must break the agreement that
20:28produced it.
20:29>> Okay. May the grace of our Lord Jesus
20:32Christ, the love of God, and the sweet
20:33fellowship of his holy spirit.
20:35>> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah.
20:35>> That's enough.
20:36>> Yeah. Because this is the thing. Fruit
20:37is the echo of a spiritual contract.
20:40Okay. To change the sound, you have to
20:42break the contract.
20:46Okay. To break how you're sounding in
20:48the spirit, you have to break the
20:50contract. You have to break the
20:51agreement. What are you agreeing with?
20:53>> That's good.
20:54>> Okay. And and this is the thing. Okay.
20:56>> One of the things and and and we can get
20:58it it goes it goes
21:00>> uh it goes so deep. Okay.
21:03>> Fruit determines fruitfulness.
21:06>> What do you mean?
21:07>> What do I mean by that? Okay. the fruit
21:09that you have in your character. Love,
21:11joy, peace, longsuffering, you know,
21:13self-control, right? That that is the
21:15fruit of your character, right? And you
21:19having and and maintaining by abiding
21:21with in in in God, the fruit determines
21:24how fruitful you'll be in the kingdom,
21:26right? And so that's why you see we're
21:27talking about like works, right?
21:28>> Yes.
21:29>> So the the scripture Matthew 7:16, it
21:31says, "Do men gather grapes of thorns?"
21:34Right? That mean that you may be gifted,
21:37right? You may have a talent, but if
21:40there's something in my spirit that I
21:41need, right? But you, the fruitfulness
21:43is missing from your life, the fruits of
21:44the spirit, the love, joy, peace is
21:47missing from your life, that means that
21:48even though you may have what I need,
21:50I'm not going to go to you from it
21:51because I'm not going to go and get
21:52nourishment from someone that's also
21:54thorny.
21:58I'm not going to gather even though I
21:59see that, hey, there's something in you
22:01that that that I may need, there's
22:04mentorship in you that I may need. You
22:05actually have a word. you actually have
22:07the prophetic gifting that I need to
22:08take me to the next level, but guess
22:10what? I'm not going to gather grapes
22:11from thorns.
22:13Okay, I'm not going to get figs of
22:15thistles. And so many people are saying,
22:18well, you know, they'll they'll they'll
22:20see people that is rejecting, right, the
22:23the the words that they have. They'll
22:24see that's rejecting their ministry.
22:26Maybe it's not the ministries that
22:27they're rejecting. Maybe it's the fruit
22:29that comes along with it. Maybe the fact
22:32that you're not producing the fruits of
22:33the spirit, right? And so every time I
22:35come to you, I'm not actually getting
22:37love, joy, peace, right? Because that's
22:39what's actually what's attractive,
22:40right? That's actually what people
22:42people are looking for, right? There's
22:45so many people that's in ministry that
22:47they have the wisdom, they have the
22:49knowledge, they have the spir the
22:51spiritual knowledge, but when it come
22:53when I when I get close to you, what do
22:54I get? I get anxiousness. I get I get
22:57aggression. I get anger. Right? And so,
23:00you know what? I'd rather just figure it
23:03out from God myself than have to deal
23:06with all of the the the the the
23:08malformed fruit that comes out of your
23:10life. Why that's so important, bro?
23:14That's powerful because God has
23:17literally assigned you to people's lives
23:20to be a nourishment, to be a source of
23:24>> consumption. There's something I need to
23:27get from God from your life.
23:28>> Yeah. And the more I lean in or I I keep
23:32God's hand from pruning me and dealing
23:35with these issues that are in my life
23:36and dealing with the root in my life,
23:38then I am a walking
23:42conducer or conduct conductor of famine.
23:46>> Yeah.
23:46>> People are dying around me not because
23:49they're just dying out of individual
23:52like because my assignment I'm failing
23:54in my assignment of producing what was
23:56necessary for my wife. I'm failing in my
23:58assignment for producing what's
24:00necessary for my community. I'm failing
24:01in my assignment for producing in the
24:03areas that God have assigned me to. So
24:05if I see death around me, I must
24:08question retroactively, how am I not
24:10nourishing the environment that God has
24:12assigned me to?
24:13>> That it reminds me in the Old Testament
24:16the priestly garments, okay? They had
24:19fruit and they had bells, okay? And it
24:23rotated. It had fruit bell. I believe it
24:25was pomegranates, right? at the and they
24:27had fruit a bell fruit bell fruit bell
24:30right and one in the New Testament the
24:32fruit symbolizes what the fruits of the
24:34spirit that they were supposed to carry
24:35right the the bells represented that
24:37there was movement because what would
24:39happened is that when they went into the
24:41holy of holies everyone couldn't go
24:42there yes
24:43>> right and so as the priests moved about
24:46they would hear the bells ringing right
24:47and they would know that the the priest
24:49was still being active okay that they
24:51didn't die in their assignment right if
24:52the bell stopped they know that there
24:54was no more movement okay and So as the
24:56bells move, but the thing about it is
24:58that the bells were never supposed to
24:59clang together, right? They would hit
25:01the fruit, right, and it would make the
25:03sound, the sound it was supposed to
25:05make, right? And that's why in the New
25:06Testament, it says that if you have not
25:08love, which is a fruit of the spirit,
25:09you are just a what?
25:11>> A clanging symbol.
25:12>> That's crazy.
25:13>> Do you see what I'm saying? Do you see
25:14the connection? Right? And and and so
25:16many times, right, if you you can you
25:18can you can have the fruit and no
25:21movement, right? There there's many
25:24people that are are lovely people but
25:26aren't doing anything active in the
25:27kingdom.
25:27>> That's crazy.
25:28>> Okay. They don't make there's no sound
25:30in the kingdom, right? They're not
25:32they're not making any movement. They're
25:33they're just you know what? I'm just
25:35here to love me and my family and that's
25:37it.
25:38>> Have mercy.
25:39>> Not not actually doing anything to to
25:41progress the kingdom forward. Okay.
25:43There's no sound that they're making.
25:45Right? Then there's some people that
25:47there's a lot of there's a lot of
25:48movement. No fruit.
25:50>> No fruit.
25:51>> No fruit. Right? And so heaven never
25:53intended for you just to make noise in
25:55the kingdom.
25:56>> Oh my goodness.
25:57>> Okay. It never and that's why he said
25:58you can do you can prophesy. You you can
26:01you can do all these things but if you
26:03don't have love
26:04>> love come on man.
26:05>> All right. If you don't have the fruits
26:06of the spirit right it means nothing.
26:09>> Come on man.
26:09>> All right. Because people need both to
26:11be impacted.
26:15>> Right. to be as effective and efficient
26:17that as God intended you to be. He
26:20intended you to have both.
26:22He intended you to have both. And one of
26:24the things that really um it it's always
26:27a check to me. It is the fact that
26:31fruit is so necessary because you can
26:33you can go 20 years
26:36Oh my god.
26:38Doing things for the kingdom.
26:39>> Come on, ma'am. Come on, man.
26:41>> Doing things for the kingdom. Yes,
26:42>> sir. Yes. only to find out that it meant
26:44nothing to heaven.
26:48Okay, you you can be doing so much work
26:51and this this why I always tell people
26:52in soul disciplehip, right? It is so
26:54important to get your soul voids and
26:56soul wounds filled,
26:58>> right? Because you you will always
27:00minister and be and and and move based
27:03on not what you do but but based on who
27:05you are.
27:06>> Wow.
27:06>> Okay. And the reason why we have so much
27:08strange fruit happening in the kingdom
27:10is because th there those places right
27:13that that people are partnering with
27:14other spirits because they haven't got
27:16those places filled. All right? I'll
27:19give you an example. Okay? And and and I
27:21want all the ministers if you're in
27:23ministry, I want you to hear this, okay?
27:24And I I want you to really just and and
27:26we do these these things called soul
27:27assessments. Yes.
27:28>> Right? Because it is so important that
27:30you understand and you know what fruit
27:33is being produced in your life.
27:35>> Yes.
27:36>> Okay. It is so important that you are
27:38able to understand, hey, I'm producing
27:41something. I'm making a movement in the
27:42kingdom, but it is the is it the type of
27:43fruit that heaven is is going to sign
27:46off on, right? The FDA of heaven, the
27:48FDA of heaven, right? The you we call it
27:51the Food Drug Administration, right? The
27:52the the the faith distinction agency of
27:55heaven, right? Is it looking at your
27:57fruit and saying, "This fruit came from
27:58faith."
28:01Okay? This fruit came from faith of
28:03abiding in me. I'm going to give you an
28:05example of of how it all ties together.
28:08Okay? Let's let's use the example from
28:09before, right? Say if you say if you had
28:11fatherlessness.
28:12>> Yes.
28:13>> Right. So now your soul is crying out
28:16for affirmation.
28:18>> Is crying out for identity. You have
28:21these gifts. Oh, you know what? I I can
28:23prophesy. You know what? I you know, I I
28:26can speak very well. I I'm I'm very
28:29articulate. I can I can grab a message.
28:31Right? So you start studying the Bible,
28:34right? But then when you start using
28:35your gifts, you're not using them with
28:38the purity of heart uh to to to see the
28:41kingdom move forward. You're using it
28:42for self validation.
28:43>> Oh my goodness.
28:44>> Okay. And so every time you go to
28:46minister to someone, what you're really
28:48looking for them is to validate you.
28:51So I'm going to pray for you.
28:53>> Okay? I'm going to minister to you, but
28:55at the end of the day, I need you to
28:56come back and say, "That was a great
28:58word." I need you to come back and say,
29:00"You know what? You know, I you were the
29:02you are so powerful. You are so
29:03anointed. You are so gifted. Right? And
29:06so what's coming out is that I stop
29:08performing. I stop having performance
29:10based ministry because what I'm really
29:12doing instead of abiding in God to get
29:13all those places full, I'm actually
29:15getting my soul filled because I'm using
29:17the validation that you give me from the
29:19ministry, right, to actually fill my
29:21soul.
29:22>> That's good, bro.
29:23>> Okay. And so what starts happening is
29:24that strange fruit starts getting
29:26produced.
29:26>> Wow.
29:27>> Right. Because the place that I should
29:28be partnering with the Holy Spirit for
29:30affirmation, right, I now have to
29:33partner with something else.
29:35>> And it's right and it starts it starts
29:37starting to build up in your life. You
29:40start seeing it start to manifest in
29:41different ways in your life.
29:42>> Mercy, God.
29:43>> All right. That that's when you start
29:44you start having and and this thing this
29:47this not something that that I read in
29:48the book. This something that that I
29:50lived out.
29:50>> Come on, man.
29:51>> Okay. I have a book that's called um
29:53Becoming Ahab.
29:54>> Wow.
29:55>> Okay. That that I'm going to drop later
29:56uh this fall. Yes, sir.
29:57>> And and for so long in my life, I didn't
30:00even realize that I I was I was a people
30:03pleaser,
30:04>> right? I was I was a people pleaser
30:06because I was looking for affirmation. I
30:08was looking for identity. I was looking
30:10for all these things that if I had
30:12really just was fully abiding in God.
30:15Okay. But then I started realizing I
30:16started seeing things, you know, you
30:18know, broken relationship manifest in my
30:20life. I started seeing like, you know,
30:21me do all these things and and I it was
30:23just these strange fruit that I was
30:25seeing be produced. I'm like, "Okay,
30:27well, I felt like I I did all the right
30:29things, but I wasn't seeing the the type
30:32of fruit that was should have come from
30:34the work I was putting in."
30:35>> Uhoh.
30:35>> Right. And and the the thing about is
30:37that many times we misdiagnose fruit.
30:39There there's a there's a lot of spirits
30:41and partnerships that actually look good
30:43on the surface. Okay? Especially and
30:46I'll say Ahab, right? Ahab is would be a
30:49great servant leader. He will appear to
30:52be a great servant leader because he's
30:53always going to be looking for
30:54affirmation from the leader. So he he'll
30:56be the person that's on time, that will
30:59show up early and leave late, right? But
31:01it's not at a place of, okay, am I
31:03really doing this to serve God? It's
31:04really, you know what, I need the
31:06affirmation from the people that's
31:07around me. All right? So the whole time
31:10I'm serving, it's it's I'm serving for
31:13for the validation of my soul. And guess
31:16what? So all that fruit that's being
31:17produced, it's strange. Heaven's saying,
31:20"Oh, even if it had kingdom impact, it
31:23came from the wrong place." Rejected.
31:25rejected.
31:27>> Rejected,
31:32>> right? And so it it it it makes you do a
31:34selfch check.
31:36>> All right? Because you can you can have
31:3820 years of ministry and two of them
31:40count.
31:42Right? This is why in the Bible it talks
31:44about your works going to be what? Tried
31:46in the fire.
31:47>> Have mercy, God.
31:48>> All right. Imagine you have 30 years of
31:50ministry being tried in the fire.
31:52>> Wow.
31:52>> Right. And as it's going up, that's
31:54straw, that's wood, right? You have
31:57these build big big big ministry looking
32:00things built up. It's all wood.
32:04And as soon as it goes in the fire, it
32:05gets burnt up. As soon as it goes in the
32:08fire, it it you it can't sustain, right?
32:12And and and and so so many people that
32:14I'm seeing mo most this I'll say about
32:1770% of the people that's in soul
32:19disciplehip right now, what are they
32:21what are they doing? They're actually
32:22ministers. Really? They're actually
32:24people in Mishi that have said, "You
32:26know what? I see areas in my life that
32:28I'm not healed,
32:32right? There you look around. You could
32:34look around in the kingdom right now and
32:36see so many people that are in ministry
32:38and you be like, "Oh, that person's
32:39rude.
32:42Yeah, that that person's gifted, but
32:43they don't know how to talk to people."
32:46Right? That that that person's anointed,
32:48but they lack love. that person know but
32:50they don't have self-control.
32:52>> Wow. Come on, man.
32:53>> Right. All those we we we we we try to
32:56use pretty words for them and a lot of
32:58times we we will overlook them but
33:01>> for the sake of their gift
33:03>> for the sake of their gift because we we
33:04need the gift,
33:07right? We want the gift but what about
33:10their soul,
33:13>> right? Because you will overlook their
33:16soul for the sake of the gift. you will
33:18overlook the state of their soul. And
33:19and to be honest, there's so many
33:22ministries that are
33:24not equipped to deal with people's
33:26souls,
33:29right? We have a lot of ministries
33:31that's that that that are great at
33:34identifying.
33:35Okay. But now that you now that you've
33:37identified Jezebel, now what?
33:40Okay. She has a spirit of Jezebel. Now
33:42what?
33:43What you going to do?
33:46Right. Do do you understand that why the
33:50the spirit of Jezebel was even tempting
33:52to that person?
33:54Right? You can you because you can cast
33:56out Jezebel, but if you don't if you
33:58don't understand that, okay, there was a
34:00fear because they've went through trauma
34:02growing up and because they went through
34:03trauma growing up, now they feel like I
34:05need to control everything and
34:06everything around me so that I can feel
34:08safe.
34:10And there's a place in their soul that
34:12needs safety. But when they come to you,
34:14all they get is the And so everything
34:16that you're giving them actually is the
34:18exact opposite of what their soul
34:20actually needs.
34:21>> Okay. What you just said right now, you
34:23we have to go down this path because I
34:25don't think you guys are listening to
34:26what he just said
34:27>> because if someone with a spirit of
34:30Jezebel arises in any framework, in any
34:32ministry, at that point that's an enemy
34:35and we got to deal with the enemy
34:37accordingly. And what we have become in
34:39ministry is reactive. And so in the same
34:42way we're only able to see gifts, we are
34:45only able to see fruit, but we cannot
34:48see roots and we don't care to see root
34:51because
34:52>> the root is is is it's intangible. It it
34:54takes work to get to the root. You got
34:56to go under or beneath the surface to
34:58get to the root. And if I'm reactive,
35:01>> then I'm really only reactive to the
35:04expression,
35:05>> right? and I'm not dealing with the real
35:08issue which makes me unproductive and it
35:12makes me now I'm operating outside of
35:14the assignment of God for my life
35:16because it's possible that God's
35:18allowing us to see this fruit for the
35:20sake of dealing with that root meaning
35:24like even with the kids I always talk
35:25about this as it relates to to kids like
35:28>> we are not called to be parents that are
35:31reactive to the tantrums of our kids but
35:33rather to investigate what the tantrum
35:35is if my baby is crying, I'm checking
35:37the diaper. I'm checking the
35:39temperature. I'm saying, "What's wrong?
35:40You hungry?" But we don't do that with
35:43other individuals. It's like you're
35:44crying. Imagine that. Every time a baby
35:46cried, you slapped them.
35:48>> Every time a baby had a tantrum, you
35:50kicked them across the room. This is who
35:51we are as a ministry. So, when I see the
35:53outbursts, when I see somebody operate
35:55in a way and I see that spirit of
35:57Jezebel, that's spirit of Ahab, I'mma
35:58either rebuke, I'mma either cast them
36:01out, I'mma either ostracize, I'mma treat
36:03him funny. But never in my life will I
36:05say, "How did they get here?"
36:07>> How did they get there? And and and and
36:09that's one of the things I've been cuz
36:10cuz it it's almost like if I identify
36:12Jezebel, just kick him out, right? It's
36:16pretty easy, right? It's it's and it's
36:18easy. But I'm like, is is any is is
36:20there anyone with a Jezebel spirit that
36:22God intends to redeem?
36:25I is is there anybody, right, that has
36:28one of these these spirits that God is
36:30saying, "Okay, you know what? I I I'm
36:31sending someone." And this is why I
36:33thank you Lord Jesus
36:34>> in in this in this iteration I feel like
36:37the the pastoral grace is is coming back
36:40in in in the fullest effect.
36:43>> Okay. And and and and I I believe that
36:45there's dispensations and I believe that
36:46there are seasons that that different
36:48graces take the forefront. For example,
36:50you know, there there's apostolic
36:52movements where God's trying to take the
36:54body of Christ to another position and
36:55they have to pioneer and dig it out,
36:57right? And so there are seasons where
36:59you see certain graces come to the
37:01forefront, right? And they start kind of
37:03leading the the kingdom. I think in this
37:05next season, one of the the greatest
37:07graces that are going to be ne necessary
37:09is the pastoral grace. People that are
37:11that can can shepherd the souls of men,
37:15right? The the pastoral grace. I think
37:17sometimes people just think that pastor
37:19the the and I'm when I say pastoral
37:21grace, I'm not just talking about well,
37:23you got to the highest part uh point in
37:25the organization and so they call you a
37:26pastor. That's not what I'm talking
37:28about. Okay.
37:28>> A shephering,
37:29>> okay? But but I'm talking about the the
37:32gifting of a pastor, right? Some the
37:35Bible talks about how the shepherd knows
37:37the the state of his of his flock,
37:39right? That when people that have a
37:40pastoral grace, you can come like you
37:42like if people if someone comes in my
37:44vicinity, I I immediately start picking
37:46out what's going on in their soul,
37:48right? It's it's almost like it starts
37:49speaking. They'll they'll you they'll
37:51they'll come near me and they'll I'll
37:52say, "How you doing?" They'll be like,
37:54"I'm fine." And I'm like, and but you
37:55can if there's a weightiness to it, you
37:58you you begin to discern immediately.
38:00No, there's something else going on in
38:01your soul.
38:02>> Yes.
38:02>> Right. There's something else that's
38:04going on that that that that and and I
38:06see it so many times. I'll be walking
38:08with someone and I'll say, hey, how you
38:09doing? They'll be like, good. And I'll
38:10be like, no, no, how you really doing?
38:12And and and you just you just see them
38:14start to crumble. Right? And and that's
38:17that's the pastoral grace.
38:18>> That's good.
38:19>> Right. And in this season, because there
38:21are so many people in the kingdom that
38:23are operating in high levels of
38:25ministry, but what they really need is
38:27shephering.
38:29Stop right there. Someone would argue
38:32and say, "But in Revelation, it said, "I
38:34have this against you. You tolerated
38:36that woman Jezebel." When some people
38:38hear the pastoral grace, all they're
38:39hearing is cheap grace. And it's saying,
38:41"Hey, when you see a demonic force, you
38:44deal with it. You see with the witch
38:45suffering out a witch to live. You see
38:47Jezebel, you tolerate Jezebel. No, we're
38:49supposed to be intolerant of that woman,
38:50Jezebel. So, how do you reconcile a
38:53scripture that tells us to deal harshly
38:56with spirits? And now we're over here
38:59trying to diagnose
39:01someone who has a spirit of Jezebel.
39:03>> All right. So, is Jezebel the person of
39:04the spirit?
39:07Okay. Jezebel, the person is partnering
39:10with the with the spirit of Jezebel.
39:12She's actually they've actually him or
39:14her have actually been seduced by the
39:16spirit of Jezebel.
39:18Right? And so when we when we talk about
39:20getting to the root of something, we're
39:22getting to the root of what was going on
39:24in your soul that even made Jezebel
39:26appealing to you.
39:28Cuz we can we can cast out Jezebel and
39:31you should cast out Jezebel, right? But
39:33then what do you do with the soul that
39:35had a vacuum
39:37because they had a need? Avoid that one
39:39unfilling. They didn't know how to fill
39:40it. Huh?
39:41>> All right. So So how do you how do you
39:43shepherd them after the deliverance?
39:45After you cast out Jezebel. I agree.
39:47Cast out Jezebel, but she'll be right
39:49back if you don't heal that soul.
39:52And guess what? She'll be back with with
39:54spirits seven times worse.
39:59And so that's why we see so many
40:00cyclical deliverance. It's like a
40:02revolving door. Revolving door, right?
40:04And sometimes it's if if you if I Lord
40:08grace me, right?
40:10I'll say like this. It's even sometimes
40:12it's even unkind to walk someone through
40:14deliverance if you don't have a plan of
40:15of how to help them disciple their soul
40:18afterwards.
40:19>> Okay, say it a little louder for the
40:22people in the back.
40:23>> Okay, it is often unkind,
40:26>> irresponsible,
40:26>> irresponsible,
40:28right, for you to walk someone through
40:30deliverance without a plan of how to
40:31shepherd their soul afterwards
40:34because you're setting them setting them
40:36up to be worse off than they were
40:38before.
40:41You're setting them up for seven times
40:43worse than they just left that other
40:45thing that just left them to come back.
40:47When when you when you when all you're
40:49doing is cleaning houses and then move
40:50on to the next person.
40:52All you're doing is tidying the house
40:54for for the next group of demons to come
40:55in. If you if you don't understand how
40:58to help that person get filled,
41:03right? Because empty houses always bring
41:06squatters. Ah,
41:08>> and you cannot we cannot be have just
41:10have deliverance ministries that all
41:12we're doing is creating more empty
41:14houses to be filled by by greater
41:16squatters.
41:18So you're saying it should be mandatory
41:22to make sure that deliverance well I
41:26don't even want to say because I think
41:28we're separating deliverance from
41:30disciplehip
41:31>> and I think that's an unnecessary uh
41:33>> some people do though. Some people do,
41:36right? When when people come to me and
41:38that's why for me whenever say I get
41:40emails all the time, hey, can you walk
41:42me through deliverance? I say, what
41:42church you go to?
41:46Right? Because before I even walk you
41:47through deliverance, I have to
41:48understand that after you go through
41:50this moment of deliverance, you have a
41:51place to go.
41:52>> Oh my goodness.
41:54>> Right? And now that's why I even require
41:56people to go through soul disciplehip
41:58before I walk them through deliverance.
42:01No, you you have to even understand what
42:03is the soul voice, what are the soul
42:04wounds, what are you partnering with
42:06before I even will walk you through
42:07deliverance.
42:08>> That makes sense.
42:09>> You see what I'm saying? So, by the time
42:10you go through deliverance, you're
42:11already equipped with the tools of how
42:13to close the door to the enemy so that
42:15you don't become prey to what you just
42:17got delivered from.
42:18>> That's so good, man.
42:19>> You understand? and and and like like I
42:22said, I I this is an area I feel I'm so
42:25passionate about it because I I see the
42:27results of people that have went through
42:30deliverance and then they come back and
42:31before they were dealing with something
42:32this small and now they're dealing
42:35with something so much greater than they
42:37were dealing with originally,
42:39>> right? And and in the kingdom, we have
42:41to start understanding, wait the we we
42:44God made us body, soul, and spirit.
42:46>> Come on, man.
42:47>> Right? And he intends to heal the whole
42:50person,
42:52right? He intends to heal the whole
42:54person. Wow, man. Right. And can we be
42:57an embassy? Can we be an epicenter of
42:59whole soul deliverance, of whole body
43:02deliverance where the whole person is
43:04getting delivered?
43:08>> Oh my gosh, brother.
43:13I I I almost don't even want to say any
43:15more words here.
43:17Because the sale is so necessary.
43:21I don't want I don't want people to miss
43:24what you just what you just brought.
43:26Everyone that is in ministry, everyone
43:29that leads the church, everybody's
43:31getting excited about the demons and the
43:34demons fleeing. But the Lord said,
43:36"Don't even be tripping about that. Be
43:38excited that your names are now written
43:39in the book of life." So even Jesus
43:42Yeah. Yeah.
43:42>> Realizes that the casting out of demons
43:45is a secondary matter.
43:46>> Secondary.
43:48>> Yeah,
43:49>> bro.
43:52Because you have to understand, right?
43:54It it is it is a secondary matter.
43:57Um
43:59and and I think the reason why it is is
44:01so important is because you have to
44:03realize that the the the issues that
44:07were happening in the person's life even
44:08before the demons came, right? The demon
44:11is just the capstone, right? There are
44:14people there are people you you can be
44:15suffering and have ailments and have
44:17soul wounds and not have a demon,
44:20right? So I let me let me just walk you
44:22through. Okay? So for example, say uh
44:24and I I use this example often. Um say
44:28if you were a child, right? Five years
44:31old and because many times when we're
44:32walking people through deliverance, you
44:34mo most times you'll see the injury
44:36first started when they were very very
44:37young. that the enemy loves to attack
44:40when someone is still a child, okay?
44:43>> And someone says, "Hey, you know what?
44:46You're ugly. You're awkward. You're five
44:47and six. You're ugly. You're awkward. No
44:49one's ever going to love you." Okay?
44:51That that 5-year-old hears that lie.
44:54Okay? They they hear that statement.
44:56Okay? And so, there's an injury there,
44:59right? When there's an injury that that
45:01goes unpastored, unshepered, unfathered.
45:04Cuz normally if if something happens
45:05with my 5-year-old, she'll come and say
45:07or six-year-old now, my son is six,
45:10he'll come and say, "Daddy, someone
45:11called me stupid. Someone called me
45:13ugly." I said, "You're not stupid.
45:15>> You're not Don't even they they they're
45:17just they're just hating. They're just
45:18X, Y, and Z." Right. And so what would
45:19have been an injury because there was a
45:21there was a father there. There was
45:23someone there was a pastor there. There
45:24was a shepherd there. Right. That that
45:26injury was able to heal. Yes. Right.
45:28when there's an injury that goes
45:29uncovered, unshepered, un and un
45:32unstorted, right? The person says,
45:35"Wait, that may be true." So, so the the
45:39injury happens and then the lie
45:43gets internalized,
45:44>> received and come came into agreement
45:46with
45:46>> gets received and come into agree
45:48agreement with okay and they start
45:50saying, "Maybe I am ugly." They start
45:53rehearsing and meditating it. Maybe
45:55maybe I am ugly. Maybe I'm stupid. Maybe
45:57I'll never be be anything. The enemy
45:59smells blood in the water. I I smell an
46:02injury, right? I smell an injury that
46:04that that is being uncovered, that is
46:06unfathered, that is unshepered, right?
46:09And so the enemy will start. So that
46:11that's just an injury. And and if there
46:13was never any demonic influence, right?
46:15Say if a demon never came along to
46:17partner with it, that person will still
46:19walk along with low self-esteem, right?
46:21They will still walk around with a voice
46:24saying, "You know what? I wish I could,
46:25you know, I wish I could be this. I wish
46:27I could be that. Right?
46:28>> And it might not be an internal
46:31conscious rehearsing of that, but the
46:33reaction or the defense mechanism
46:35against that,
46:36>> which is now,
46:37>> oh, they said this, well, I'm about to
46:39live my life and build my life as a
46:42response
46:43>> to the injury
46:44>> to to the injury.
46:45>> I'm overcompensate for my limp. Why you
46:47walk like that?
46:48>> They don't know that I'm limping.
46:50>> Why you talk like that? Why you so hard?
46:52Well, you don't know. I'm trying to put
46:54on this facade.
46:55>> I'm trying to overcompensate for the lie
46:57that I believed in my soul. Right.
46:59Because once there once you have an
47:01agreement in your soul, agreements
47:02govern the soul.
47:04Whoa. Chills.
47:06>> Okay. What you come into agreement with
47:09will govern your soul, right? And in
47:11that area of your life, it will it will
47:14it will determine how you respond. It
47:16will determine that's why the Bible says
47:18because your soul is your heart, mind,
47:19and emotions, right? And that's why the
47:20Bible says um out of the abundance of
47:23the heart the mouth speaks right it says
47:25all of the issues of life flow from
47:27where right from the heart right all of
47:31the issues of life why because the soul
47:34right is is where is the governing body
47:37of of your entity it is the governing
47:40body and and I can I can speak about
47:42this from the priesthood we won't even
47:45go there okay
47:47>> right so so now there's something that's
47:48governing your soul
47:50Now, because the enemy sees, okay,
47:52there's a wound here that's untreated,
47:54right? Then there's a spirit that says,
47:55"Hey, you know what? I can help you
47:58moderate that. I can help you make sure
48:00that no one ever bothers you again. If
48:03you partner with me, I'll give you
48:04safety. I'll protect you." Right? What
48:08what's that spirit? Anger.
48:11Anger, resentment, bitterness. Right?
48:14And so, the person comes into agreement
48:16with that spirit. And so, Right. So then
48:19the person that used to get picked on,
48:21they start having a spirit of anger.
48:22They start walking around. Say something
48:24else. Say something to me. What you
48:25going to do? Right? So they intimidate
48:28everyone around them. No one picks on
48:29them. No one bothers them. But they they
48:32partnered with a spirit and now it's
48:34bondage. Right? So now they walk around
48:36angry. The food that's been produced is
48:38anger. People see anger. People see
48:41irritation. But where it's coming from
48:43is from that little per that that little
48:45girl, that little boy that didn't want
48:46to be picked on. They had a wound,
48:48>> right? You see, man, that person has a
48:51bad attitude. What you don't see is the
48:54soul that was fractured. This reminds me
48:56of the deliverance session that we had
48:58at that first We need to heal and the
49:00demon was expressing itself, saying, go
49:02ahead and leave her like everyone else
49:04does. And it was almost saying, I'm
49:06going to be with her even when you guys
49:08are gone. And so, I knew that
49:09abandonment had to be there. And they're
49:11playing off of that abandonment. But you
49:13even heard the demon. You heard the
49:14demon cuz the demon was telling the lie
49:18that that it was rehearsing to her soul.
49:21And so guess what? You be even if we
49:22cast out that demon, if we didn't get
49:24that place healing the soul, he would be
49:25back tomorrow.
49:28So we see the fruit,
49:31but the root of it was a place that she
49:34was partnering with a soul wound instead
49:36of partnering with the Holy Spirit.
49:38>> Have mercy, Jesus. And we walk around
49:39and we see all these people in our
49:41ministries and we say, "Oh, that's just
49:43a bad attitude. Oh, sometimes she just
49:44acts weird. Oh, sometimes she's a little
49:46standoffish. Oh, you're seeing all these
49:48fruit. Oh, she's a little anxious." But
49:50but but but there's there's there's a
49:53partnership that's going down on the
49:54inside, right? And if we would take the
49:57time to start saying, "Wait, where is
49:59that coming from?"
50:01And not just saying not not dismissing
50:03the fruit as that it's just the fruit is
50:06that it's just no that's a symptom.
50:08>> Yeah.
50:11>> Some people how many times how many
50:12times right we we see even in especially
50:14men we do it right so many times we'll
50:16feel something going weird on in our
50:18body.
50:18>> Yes.
50:19>> Right. Oh that's just gas. Uh yeah you
50:22know I got this ache but you know it's
50:24just you know you know what I'm saying?
50:25And many time it's our body
50:29right giving us signal something's wrong
50:31here something's off here. We do the
50:32same thing in the body of Christ. We see
50:35little cells that's acting awkward. We
50:38see cells that that are malformed. We
50:40see cells that are cancerous. What is a
50:42cancer? A cancer is a malformed cell,
50:44right? There are many malformed
50:45believers that we see that don't look
50:47how they should, that don't sound, that
50:48aren't biblical, right? That you know
50:50when you look at them something's off.
50:52We go that's just them. No, no, no, no.
50:54That's not just them. Wow.
50:56>> And who's going to have the heart? Who's
50:58going to have the the care enough to
51:00say, "No, I'm gonna walk alongside you
51:02and I'm going to to to get to the root
51:05and and hey, if you hate me later, okay,
51:08>> but but what what what Nie said is that,
51:10hey, Rob didn't try to love that out of
51:11you."
51:13>> That's
51:13>> that that Rob didn't tell you the truth.
51:15>> That's good, man.
51:16>> And I didn't tell you the truth in love.
51:18>> Wow.
51:19>> Right. there. No, I can believe I can
51:22say this with with in in truth. There
51:25there are very few people that are
51:27around me that haven't sat with me for a
51:30minimum amount of time that I haven't
51:32started saying, "What's going on with
51:33you?"
51:34>> Wow.
51:35>> Do you notice you notice you do that?
51:37Well, I was talking to one of our
51:38friends the other day. I think she she
51:39was talking to one of us and she said,
51:41you know, Rob said D. And I said, do you
51:44notice that you kind of do?
51:45>> Yes.
51:46>> You see what I'm saying? Yes.
51:47>> Because because it's almost like the If
51:49if you're going to be in my presence,
51:51>> Wow.
51:52>> Right. And if I pick up on something,
51:54it's my duty.
51:56>> Uh-oh.
51:57>> Okay. As as someone that says I love
51:59you.
52:00>> As someone that says I call call myself
52:02your friend. As someone if I see
52:03something to say, hey, you're making a
52:05strange sound in the spirit. Do you
52:06recognize that? I see fruit here. I see
52:10fruit here that doesn't sound that
52:12doesn't look like the Lord Jesus Christ.
52:14I see fruit being manifested. Are you
52:16aware that there may be something deeper
52:18here? Right? And there's so many times
52:21that so many of us and so many times we
52:25pick people in the Bible,
52:28right, that were flesh and blood and
52:30that that resonate with our soul wounds
52:32and try to use them as as reasons why we
52:35can continue on important behavior.
52:37>> Like what?
52:38>> Like uh like we we we say for example,
52:42we could say uh well, you know, Peter,
52:44he was a gangster. You know, he sliced
52:46the ear, but Jesus picked it up and put
52:48it back on. So why you going around
52:50slicing people?
52:52Right. Jes Jesus Jesus flipped tables
52:54one time in his ministry. You do it
52:55every week. What are we talking about?
52:58>> That's good, bro.
52:59>> What are we talking about?
53:00>> That's good, man.
53:00>> Right. We we we use people like, you
53:02know, uh the prophet Elijah mocked the
53:04people, right? But we we The reason why
53:07I believe that Jesus came down in the
53:10flesh was that he gave us a perfect
53:12example, right? that that we can look
53:15to. He gave us the biatitudes, right? He
53:18she he he literally walked us down
53:20through his words and through his
53:22lifestyle so that we because sometimes
53:24when you look at the Old Testament, you
53:26you can't tell sometimes what is their
53:27own human behavior and what is Holy
53:30Spiritled.
53:30>> Wow.
53:31>> Right. You can tell the actions that's
53:32led by the Holy Spirit, but sometimes
53:34what with the things that they're doing
53:36and how and the things that they're
53:38saying. Like for example, and I'm not
53:39saying that he wasn't spiritled when he
53:41said this, but for example, when Elijah
53:42mocked the pro the the prophets of Ba.
53:44>> Yeah.
53:45>> That could have just been Elijah's
53:46personality.
53:47>> Yeah. Yeah.
53:47>> You see what I'm saying?
53:48>> Y
53:49>> that that that didn't mean that it had
53:50to be the Holy Spirit, you know what I'm
53:52saying, uncction and screw to do that.
53:54>> That's good,
53:55>> right? But if we like to if we're a
53:57mocker, we'll use that.
53:59>> If we're someone that likes to mock
54:00people,
54:01>> we we we'll use that as evidence that
54:04that's okay, right? Even though we have
54:07a whole line of scripture that talks
54:10about how to love, how to speak with
54:12gentleness, how to speak with kindness.
54:13And hear me, there is a time, hear me,
54:16there's some knuckleheads out here,
54:18okay? There are some people that harden
54:20hearts. And when you have a hardened
54:21heart,
54:22>> yes,
54:22>> there are some people that need need the
54:24hammer to fall. And I and I believe that
54:26there are some people in the kingdom
54:27that God has given the boldness, right,
54:29to speak those strong words. I do
54:31believe. Now, so hear me correctly. This
54:33is not me coming against people that
54:35that have ministries and have anointings
54:37to speak strong words and direct words
54:39because there are a lot of people that
54:41have hardened heart and they need
54:43>> they need that. They need that heart.
54:44>> They need that. Yeah.
54:45>> But but you if if
54:49>> make sure it's the spirit and not you.
54:50>> Make sure it's the spirit in you, not
54:51you. Right. And and everybody shouldn't
54:53get the same blade.
54:56>> Right. The maturity is knowing when when
54:58what tool to use when.
55:01>> You see what I'm saying? There are times
55:02that that Jesus spoke very strong words
55:04and there there was times that he used
55:05compassion, right? And if if if if you
55:08don't understand the the the complexity,
55:12right? And and it's not even that
55:13complex. It's literally just being led,
55:16>> right? And and and I know sometimes I
55:18could look at something and say, "Hey,
55:20that's not for me, right? That situation
55:23probably needs somebody else to speak to
55:25it because cuz where I am, I probably
55:27will be say in a different way that they
55:30they need to receive it." Wow. What you
55:32what you just expressed when you talked
55:34about when you said this, it's my
55:36responsibility. I think about Jesus when
55:38he called Lazarus from the dead. Jesus
55:41did that by his power. No one else could
55:42do it. He called Lazarus from the dead.
55:44Called him out of the grave and Lazarus
55:46came forth and then he said he talked to
55:48the people around him and he said,
55:49"Loose him and let him go." So Jesus did
55:51the miracle of setting him free from
55:53death. Delivered him from death. But
55:55then he assigned Lazarus to the
55:57individuals around him
55:59>> to loose him from the bandages. And I
56:01realized that the loosing from the
56:03bandages was a process. It required
56:06attention. It required time. And I think
56:09for many of us,
56:11>> we want Jesus to do the miracle, but we
56:14don't accept the responsibility to walk
56:17people through the process of of what
56:18deliverance looks like. Yeah. And it
56:20takes me to actually look at someone an
56:22individual and say that doesn't belong
56:24there. Let me with you. I can see what
56:26you can't see. And so not taking the
56:29responsibility. What makes us a diff
56:32what makes us different than Cain who
56:35says, "Am I my brother's keeper?"
56:37>> Yeah.
56:38>> Is it my responsibility? While his blood
56:41was being shed,
56:43>> while his blood was crying out, Cain
56:45said, "I do not have responsibility for
56:48my dead brother." He probably was d it
56:50probably was at the moment of just
56:52death, right?
56:52>> And so for us like we have assumed the
56:55spirit of Cain
56:57>> when we walk around and claim that we
57:00are not our brother's keepers because
57:01they act out or they sin in ways that
57:03are different than us. Somebody act out
57:05with a spirit of Jezebel, they might
57:07have brushed you the wrong way. Somebody
57:08act out with anger or with rudeness,
57:11they done annoyed me. They done offended
57:13me and I allow my offense to rule and
57:16say I am unwilling
57:17>> come on
57:18>> to allow the spirit in me to deal with
57:21the spirit in you to help me love the
57:23soul in you because
57:25>> I don't know how to wrestle
57:27>> against spirit. I only know how to
57:29engage with flesh and blood. I only know
57:31how to react to the tantrums of the
57:33enemy and then I forfeit my
57:35responsibility to loose you from what
57:38the Lord assigned me to loose you from
57:40>> there. Come on. That is that is so good.
57:42There there was uh someone that came to
57:44me at one of the conferences, right? Um
57:45and I had walked with them through
57:47deliverance uh before, right? And when I
57:50first went up to them, um I said hi,
57:52gave them a hug. Um everything was fine.
57:55And then maybe 20 30 minutes later, they
57:58were acting kind of funny, right? And I
58:00was like, you know, they were kind of
58:02like just looking at me weird and they
58:03would walk by and and like I think one
58:05time they they almost like kind of
58:06bumped me and I kind of like kind of
58:08moved so I wouldn't bump them, but it
58:09was almost like it was a little bit
58:11>> Yeah. Yeah.
58:11>> almost aggressive, right? And I was
58:13like, "Oh, okay. That's interesting." I
58:14said, "You know what? Maybe they're
58:16going through something. It's fine."
58:18About an hour later, they said, "Hey,
58:19can I speak to you?" I said, "Sure." Uh,
58:22come on. And they they said, "I feel
58:24like the Holy Spirit wanted me to give
58:27this to you." On it was a piece of
58:30paper. All right. It was a piece of
58:32paper. On the right side, it said, "He
58:35is kind. He loves people. Um, you know,
58:39he he really does try to do his best to
58:41to help people." On the other side of
58:43the paper, it said um it said
58:48he is dangerous. Be ready to fight. He's
58:52the one that did this to us.
58:55Okay. So, in in that moment, okay, there
59:00were there were spirits speaking to her
59:02mind and she was having an internal
59:04battle with the spirits that were in her
59:06mind, right? And the person the the
59:09demons were saying, "Hey,
59:11I got the before he helped me walk
59:14through deliverance, two of them came
59:16back." and they're saying stay away from
59:18him because before he he got rid of us
59:21and we want him we want to stay
59:23delivered. He we don't want you to get
59:25delivered, right? And so she's arguing
59:27but hey, he's actually kind of kind. I
59:29know him. He actually loves people,
59:30right?
59:31>> If I had started acting out back towards
59:34her, okay, if I felt how she was acting
59:37towards me, I said, "You know what? You
59:39you you acting kind of funny, right? If
59:42I would had allowed myself to be
59:43offended, okay, that would have gave the
59:46demons acts in her mind room to say,
59:49"See, see see reinforcements. It would
59:52have reinforced what the spirits in her
59:54mind were telling her." So you're
59:56telling me that if we are reactive,
1:00:02if we get offended,
1:00:05if we get in our feelings instead of in
1:00:07the spirit,
1:00:08>> come on,
1:00:08>> then it's likely that we have
1:00:11cheerleaded, supported, and reinforced
1:00:15demons.
1:00:16>> Come on,
1:00:17>> that we were responsible to cast out.
1:00:20>> We were there to prove that they were a
1:00:22liar.
1:00:22>> Come on. Come on. But we came and
1:00:24because we're offended, we proved them
1:00:26right. And you know why? Because you
1:00:29weren't operating with the fruits of the
1:00:30spirit. Come.
1:00:31>> Okay? Because if you operating with
1:00:33love, joy, peace, longsuffering,
1:00:34tenderness, self-control, right? When
1:00:36that thing happened, it wouldn't have
1:00:38shifted you.
1:00:38>> Oh man.
1:00:39>> That's why God said if you're going to
1:00:40be in this ministry, you have to be
1:00:41unoffendable.
1:00:42>> Un what?
1:00:43>> Unoffendable.
1:00:46Because if all someone has to do is
1:00:47offend you and now you are so upset
1:00:50within yourself that you can no longer
1:00:51carry out the kingdom mandate, then all
1:00:53the enemy has to do is have that person
1:00:55act out in a certain way and your
1:00:57ministry is done.
1:01:00>> Jesus should have been offended so much
1:01:02so at Peter that he could not have
1:01:04assigned him apostilhip well and led him
1:01:07to apostilhip when told him to feed the
1:01:09sheep.
1:01:09>> Come on.
1:01:10>> Because how could you Peter, you done
1:01:12rock with me.
1:01:13>> Come on. I I warned you. How dare Peter?
1:01:18You told me that you would never leave
1:01:19me.
1:01:19>> Come on.
1:01:20>> And here you go denying me. If Jesus was
1:01:24in his feelings if Jesus got offended,
1:01:27Peter would not have been established.
1:01:30Peter would not have preached preached
1:01:31and asked and would have brought
1:01:33deliverance and salvation to the 3,000.
1:01:37>> If Jesus was offended, he would have
1:01:39hindered the 3,000 and acts.
1:01:41>> Come on.
1:01:43Come on.
1:01:44>> What
1:01:46what bondage has your offense produced
1:01:48in your family, in your lineage, in your
1:01:51community? And and this is why as
1:01:54ministers, you have to be healed because
1:01:57the enemy will play on your soul wounds.
1:01:59He will play on your soul voids. And
1:02:01whatever is in you that can be
1:02:03corrupted, he will literally use that
1:02:05thing to make you inefficient in
1:02:06ministry.
1:02:11M. Oh. Oh. Oh. He He still He's still
1:02:13angry a little bit. He still got a
1:02:15little bit of anger in him. He still got
1:02:16a little bit of lust in him. He still
1:02:17got a little bit of Okay, that that's
1:02:19exactly how he's coming
1:02:21because the goal is to because there's a
1:02:24place that you're not abiding because he
1:02:25can the enemy can see the fruit that
1:02:27looks like him.
1:02:29Okay? He's always looking for his fruit.
1:02:32The fruit's always going to come from
1:02:34two kingdoms. Okay? You got the kingdom
1:02:36of heaven. You got the kingdom of of of
1:02:38flesh, hell, whatever the case may be,
1:02:39right? There's always two kingdoms of
1:02:42flesh of of fruit.
1:02:43>> Yes.
1:02:44>> All right. The enemy is looking for what
1:02:47fruit looks like him.
1:02:51What fruit got a root that should be
1:02:53going to there, but it's actually coming
1:02:54right here.
1:02:55>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
1:02:56>> Right. Oh, there's some unforgiveness
1:02:58there. That that's right there in the
1:02:59gates of hell.
1:03:00>> Oh.
1:03:00>> So, so you you you got five roots that
1:03:03that go where it's supposed to. You got
1:03:04two that come right here.
1:03:07Right. you you you great when it comes
1:03:08to being kind. You great when it comes
1:03:10to to joy, but when it comes to
1:03:12finances, you don't really trust God. So
1:03:15So there you that lack of faith bring
1:03:18your root right here.
1:03:21And and so guess what? Because you
1:03:23haven't trusted God and you're not
1:03:24abiding in him, you know, for entrusting
1:03:27him to for your finances, guess what?
1:03:29When when you start using your gifts, as
1:03:31soon as that dollar sign comes, guess
1:03:32where you going? Right over here.
1:03:35And and it will start dictating how you
1:03:38minister. It will start dictating what
1:03:40you say yes to. It will start dictating
1:03:42are you going to go to this conference
1:03:44or that conference? Are you going to
1:03:45take this assignment or that assignment?
1:03:47Why? Because although all the other
1:03:48roots go over there, the insecurity of
1:03:50finances come right here.
1:03:53>> It's crazy.
1:03:54>> And so and so the fruit, the sound that
1:03:56it makes. Well, how come how come you
1:03:57only do conferences that you know pay
1:03:59you 20,000 or more? Hm. That that's a
1:04:02strange that's that's a strange sound in
1:04:04the kingdom. That's a strange fruit.
1:04:08Why? Because
1:04:10there's a root.
1:04:13How How come? How come when when it it
1:04:14came time that those people over there
1:04:17that can't pay you anything, but they
1:04:18seem like they really need your
1:04:20ministry, you keep saying no to them.
1:04:22>> Wow, man. Talk.
1:04:24>> So, so your so your ministry starts
1:04:26making strange fruit.
1:04:28>> Oh my gosh.
1:04:29>> Right. How about this one? You you have
1:04:31a spirit of control,
1:04:33right? A spirit of control because you
1:04:35you you you seen things it and and and
1:04:37this this is the thing. You can have
1:04:41poor fruit or or misaligned fruit and
1:04:44your intentions be good.
1:04:49Okay. What what about the what about the
1:04:51minister that you know I won't use that
1:04:54example. What what what about what about
1:04:58the person, right, that that just
1:05:00started a job, right? And they want to
1:05:02do everything amazing. They want to do
1:05:05everything great,
1:05:06>> right? And so they see little, you know,
1:05:08uh inefficiencies,
1:05:10right? And so instead of just, you know,
1:05:12partnering and and and working, they
1:05:14start controlling everything.
1:05:16>> Well, I I got to fix this and I got to
1:05:17fix that. I got to fix that. And and and
1:05:19and so what you're actually doing is
1:05:21that you're partnering with the spirit
1:05:22of control, right? And so the people
1:05:25that you should be developing and
1:05:27saying, "Okay, you know what? You made a
1:05:28mistake, but I'm going to pull you in
1:05:29close and I'm going to work with you and
1:05:30develop." Right? You have such a a need
1:05:33for validation for everything to go
1:05:35right, for everything to be right. And
1:05:37you're so afraid, you know what I'm
1:05:39saying, for anything to go wrong that
1:05:40you say, "You know what? I'm going to
1:05:41control everything." And when you try to
1:05:43control everything, you actually end up
1:05:44suppressing all of your employees.
1:05:47>> Oh my gosh.
1:05:48>> So they don't grow. The company looks
1:05:50great.
1:05:51>> Wow. Wow.
1:05:51>> But you have all of these malformed
1:05:53employees that never are able to grow to
1:05:55become what they should be,
1:05:58>> but it was actually a spit of control.
1:06:00So, so they, so for you, you look
1:06:02around, hey, everything's going really
1:06:04well. You know, we haven't had any, you
1:06:06know, financial mishaps. We haven't had
1:06:08any, you know, scandals in in the job.
1:06:10We haven't had X, Y, and Z. But when you
1:06:11look around every all your employees
1:06:13that should be maturing,
1:06:16>> that should be able to grow and develop,
1:06:19they're still level one employees.
1:06:22>> Wow.
1:06:22>> Because all you did was control
1:06:25everything, micromanage,
1:06:28right? So even think that it came from a
1:06:30good place because you wouldn't trust
1:06:32God with the process.
1:06:34>> Oh my goodness.
1:06:36>> You you entered your own control. Now
1:06:40everyone everyone else is affected
1:06:44because you didn't trust God that he
1:06:46would help you grow and develop what he
1:06:49gave to you in the first place. You keep
1:06:51mentioning control. We had a
1:06:53conversation and you were talking to me
1:06:55about Jezebel and the relationship with
1:06:57Jezebel and Ahab and the
1:06:59interconnectedness and kind of
1:07:01diagnosing what you see there and how to
1:07:05avoid the trap of both ones. I never
1:07:08heard the perspective of Ahab being
1:07:11something that could be seen as a hero
1:07:13in other segments and Jezebel being
1:07:16someone that you can anyone man or woman
1:07:20can tie themselves to the spirit of
1:07:22Jezebel. Could you talk about that
1:07:23relationship a little bit?
1:07:24>> Sure. So, um the the reason why Jezebel
1:07:28and Ahab go well together, right? Ahab
1:07:31is someone that is looking for and and
1:07:34people think that they they they see
1:07:35Ahab they think weak, right? Most times
1:07:38Ahabs are going to be super talented
1:07:40because Ahab was a leader. Okay, but he
1:07:43was conflict averse,
1:07:46right? He was not formed well in his
1:07:49soul, right? And so what what actually
1:07:51when you're when you're Ahab, you're
1:07:53actually attracted to powerful people.
1:07:55you're actually attracted to you some a
1:07:57lot of times Ahabs won't will be very
1:08:00indecisive. Wow. Right. Because they
1:08:03never want to get it wrong. They're
1:08:04perfectionists, right? And so when you
1:08:06see somebody that's just I get it done.
1:08:09I you want that. I got it. Right. So
1:08:13they're looking for someone that is that
1:08:15is a go-getter that get it done and
1:08:16they're actually attracted to that
1:08:17because it helps cover up that place
1:08:19where they're indecisive. Right? And
1:08:21then Jezebel, right? She's like, "Oh,
1:08:24no. I need to be in control of
1:08:25everything." Ahab is willing to give up
1:08:27his authority, right? Oh, you you
1:08:30somebody's gonna get it done. Well, I'll
1:08:31look good if you get it done. Go ahead
1:08:33and get it done. In the meantime, you're
1:08:35giving up your authority, right? And
1:08:37Jezebel, she needs control, right? So,
1:08:40she'll gladly take the authority that
1:08:41you're giving it cuz that's going to
1:08:43make her feel like she's safe. When I
1:08:44can control everything, then now I'm
1:08:47safe. And many times people that deal
1:08:49with the spit of Jezebel, they for a
1:08:51long time in their life, they felt out
1:08:52of control.
1:08:54>> Wow.
1:08:54>> Okay. For a lot of times if you if you
1:08:56see someone that's dealt with dealing
1:08:57with the spirit of Jezebel, you'll see
1:08:58there was some kind of big trauma. A lot
1:09:00of people times when people have done
1:09:01deal with uh dealt with like abuse and
1:09:04like you know sexual abuse in their life
1:09:05that um they dealt with uh people that
1:09:07were overly doineering, they say, you
1:09:09know what, I'll never let this happen to
1:09:10me again. Wow. Right. I'll never be
1:09:13taken advantage of again. All right. And
1:09:16because they they that that
1:09:18they have that rule in their soul,
1:09:21right, that now governs their soul. So
1:09:23every decision where they start feeling
1:09:25out of control,
1:09:27they got to snatch it back. You said,
1:09:29I'm going to I got to let you come back
1:09:32to it. You said the soul is where that
1:09:35governing takes place. You made me think
1:09:37about government and also like the state
1:09:40in which we live. Like my state issues
1:09:42my driver's license.
1:09:44>> Mhm. In any state that you live in in
1:09:46United States, they issue your driver's
1:09:47license. Isn't it interesting that the
1:09:49governing state issues your ID,
1:09:53>> issues your identity,
1:09:54>> but also the governing state makes a
1:09:58determination on the boundaries where
1:10:02its principles can govern you, right?
1:10:05>> In a sense, they set your limitations.
1:10:08>> They set the punishments
1:10:10even if you're not aware of them.
1:10:12>> Right? They set what happens, what
1:10:14doesn't happen. I was driving in Georgia
1:10:18and I didn't realize that you can't
1:10:20drive by a police in the shoulder drive
1:10:23by the police on in the shoulder of the
1:10:25freeway at the same speed you were
1:10:26driving.
1:10:27>> Mhm.
1:10:28>> If they weren't there.
1:10:29>> Yeah.
1:10:29>> They pulled me over and I'm like, he was
1:10:31like, "You didn't slow down." I was
1:10:32like, "I'm from LA. Why do I got to slow
1:10:34down?" He's like, "You're in Georgia
1:10:35now. Anytime you drive by an officer,
1:10:37you got to slow down if they're in the
1:10:39shoulder." I'm like, "Man."
1:10:40>> And a lot of times they make you switch
1:10:41lanes, too. or or switch or you got
1:10:43switch lanes or slow down.
1:10:44>> I was just like that's so crazy. I was
1:10:47like I don't get no slack. I didn't
1:10:48know. He said you live in Georgia now.
1:10:51>> Come on.
1:10:52>> It doesn't matter if you didn't know.
1:10:54>> Yeah.
1:10:54>> And so when we authorize governing
1:10:57authorities over our souls based on and
1:11:01who you give authority to like when I if
1:11:03I move to a different state um they have
1:11:07they have that that state has governing
1:11:08authority over me. I don't think the
1:11:10soul realm works like that. I don't have
1:11:12to be in a different location.
1:11:14Literally, it's not geographical. It's
1:11:16spiritual. It's on a spiritual level.
1:11:18And so, we we don't realize that we give
1:11:21permission to authorize spirits to give
1:11:24us our ID. Yeah.
1:11:25>> To set our limitations and to regulate
1:11:28our lives. Yeah.
1:11:30>> Based on their principles, not yours.
1:11:32>> Exactly. And not the kingdom of heavens.
1:11:36Okay. And so, and so that's why Right.
1:11:38when when you have the you have this
1:11:40entity governing your soul.
1:11:42>> Oh man.
1:11:42>> And it's producing what it wants to
1:11:44produce out of you.
1:11:46>> Okay. And then and so then and it's so
1:11:48interesting. So for you, you feel safe.
1:11:52You you feel you like look I'm good. I'm
1:11:54driving. I'm good. You in your car. You
1:11:55you feel safe cuz you know what you
1:11:56know, right? But everyone around you is
1:11:59experiencing something else.
1:12:00>> Uh-oh.
1:12:01>> Okay. So with you being controlling, you
1:12:04feel okay. I feel safe. Everyone else
1:12:06feels manipulation. Everyone else feels
1:12:08anger. Everyone feels when they bump up
1:12:10against you. I I heard someone say it
1:12:12like this, right? Um they use this
1:12:14example. They said, um,
1:12:18I have a cup of coffee, right? You bump
1:12:21me and bump my cup of coffee, right?
1:12:24Why? And the coffee spills. Why did the
1:12:27coffee spill?
1:12:28>> Cuz you bumped me, right?
1:12:30>> Yes.
1:12:31>> No. Because there was coffee in my cup.
1:12:33Okay. If there was water in my cup,
1:12:35water would have spilled. If there was
1:12:36juice in my cup, juice would have
1:12:38spilled, right? What what what ends up
1:12:40coming out of you is is a result of
1:12:43what's already in you.
1:12:44>> That's good, bro.
1:12:45>> Okay. And so what's governing your soul,
1:12:47right? It people people think about the
1:12:49fruits of the spirit, right? We're not
1:12:52talking about on your best day.
1:12:53>> Oo.
1:12:54>> Okay. What comes out when you're
1:12:56pressed,
1:12:57okay? What comes out of you, okay? when
1:13:00you're squeezed. Okay, that's that's why
1:13:04there's a wine press, okay? Because
1:13:06we're trying to see what's on the inside
1:13:08of you, okay? So many people try to
1:13:10judge themselves by their best day.
1:13:11We're not talking about by your best
1:13:12day, okay? It's when you get under
1:13:15pressure, what comes out of you. That's
1:13:17actually what's on the inside.
1:13:18>> That's good, bro.
1:13:19>> Okay? And that's actually what's
1:13:20governing your soul. when someone bumps
1:13:22up against you, when you're having the
1:13:24worst day, when when you're when when
1:13:25when you're stressed, when you're when
1:13:27when when when life is not going how you
1:13:29want to go, do you still have joy? Do
1:13:32you still have peace?
1:13:36Okay. Do are you still longsuffering?
1:13:38Are you still patient?
1:13:40Wow.
1:13:41>> Okay. Do you have self-control?
1:13:44A lot of us, we're we're great as soon
1:13:46as we leave church, right? Monday,
1:13:49Tuesday, Wednesday, you get get
1:13:50stressed. You and your wife get in an
1:13:51argument X Y and Z. That's self-control.
1:13:53You still got self-control to stop doing
1:13:55what you're supposed to do.
1:13:55>> Wow. Right. When when you get pressed,
1:13:58that's what shows what's really on the
1:14:00inside of you. That really shows what's
1:14:02governing your soul. That really shows
1:14:04what lane you're in. Right? And I have
1:14:07so many people that are that there's a
1:14:08difference between being aware
1:14:11and being being governing. Okay? There's
1:14:14a lot of people that think they're good
1:14:15because they're aware of their flaws.
1:14:18Oh, yeah. Yeah. I I know have bad
1:14:19attitude. Okay. But are you able to
1:14:22control it?
1:14:23Oh, yeah. Yeah. I I know I struggle with
1:14:25this. Yeah. But have you got it under
1:14:27control?
1:14:29Okay. And that's why the the the one of
1:14:31the the last fruits of the spirit is
1:14:33self-control. It means that you have the
1:14:35ability to govern yourself.
1:14:38Not that that just that you're aware of
1:14:40what's happening, right? Because many of
1:14:43us, we we we we become aware of what's
1:14:45happening and we we become aware of the
1:14:47food that's being produced in our life
1:14:48and we say, "Well, God got it.
1:14:51Well, grace grace covers it. And I love
1:14:54what you said about um partnering for
1:14:56your deliverance. It's so amazing that
1:14:59the um the Bible says that God delivered
1:15:03the children of Israel with a strong and
1:15:05mighty hand. Yes, he did. But they still
1:15:08had to walk.
1:15:09>> Oh my goodness.
1:15:10>> Right. They they still had to move their
1:15:12feet, right? They still had to cross the
1:15:15burning sands.
1:15:16>> That's good, man.
1:15:17>> Okay. So that means that there's always
1:15:19a place for you to partner with your
1:15:20deliverance.
1:15:22God gives you the the opportunity. He
1:15:24opens the door. You still have to walk
1:15:26through it.
1:15:27>> Still got to walk through it.
1:15:28>> You still have to walk your deliverance
1:15:30out, right? God didn't send an angel to
1:15:33carry them across the desert and place
1:15:35them in in the in the promised land. No,
1:15:37they still had to walk that thing out,
1:15:40right? And any time that their faith was
1:15:43didn't did did not give them they didn't
1:15:44have the requisite faith to be in the
1:15:45promised land they went around again.
1:15:48Okay. The Bible says all of the fact
1:15:50that it could have been a three-month
1:15:51journey. It took them 40 years
1:15:53because they didn't have the faith to
1:15:55exist in the promised land. He said if I
1:15:57had brought you there because of your
1:15:59faith you would of fear you would have
1:16:00turned around and ran.
1:16:01>> Oh my goodness.
1:16:03>> All right. So that so then I the the the
1:16:06reality is and the reason even why that
1:16:08he he had to give them manner day by day
1:16:10is because he had to show them I am your
1:16:12source.
1:16:13>> Yes.
1:16:14>> I am your source. I you will only
1:16:16partner with me.
1:16:17>> Yes. That's right.
1:16:17>> And and and the reality is the the
1:16:20minute that he kind of let loose a
1:16:21little bit, they started building a
1:16:22calf.
1:16:25Right. The the the reality is God is
1:16:28saying you have to abide in me. And what
1:16:30most people don't realize, I was talking
1:16:32to someone just yesterday and they were
1:16:34saying, "Hey, I'm struggling with this
1:16:35and I said,"Well, are you abiding?"
1:16:38>> Wow.
1:16:40>> Are you abiding?
1:16:42And he was like, "Yeah, I go to church."
1:16:45I said, "Yeah." No. Are you abiding?
1:16:49Some Some of us make it seem like
1:16:51abiding means I'm I'm doing drivebys to
1:16:54to the Holy with the Holy Spirit that
1:16:56I'm I'm I'm making visits.
1:16:59And I said I said there is no shortcut
1:17:03there. There is no shortcut in the
1:17:05spirit.
1:17:05>> Whoa.
1:17:06>> Okay. There's no shortcut to discipline.
1:17:08There's no shortcut to to maintaining
1:17:11your relationship with God.
1:17:12>> Wow.
1:17:13>> So, you're saying I can't stop this this
1:17:16uh you know, every now and then I start
1:17:18struggling with with lust again. Well,
1:17:20what's your relationship like? Are you
1:17:22abiding? I said, "You you ever notice
1:17:24that when you're in church and it's and
1:17:27and you've been shouting and praising,
1:17:29it's it's very hard to be lustful?"
1:17:31>> Come on, man.
1:17:33>> Right. Do you do you ever realize that
1:17:35it's it's extremely hard to to be super
1:17:37upset when you after you've been
1:17:39praising?
1:17:39>> Yes.
1:17:40>> It usually takes a while to to kind of
1:17:43weigh down. I I was at um this uh this
1:17:45uh event called the heart room I think
1:17:46and I heard um someone say it like this
1:17:50uh and it's first time I actually heard
1:17:51heard about heard somebody say it. They
1:17:53said when you plug in the your your cell
1:17:56phone right and the the cell phone's on
1:17:58a charger. All right. The minute you
1:18:01plug it out it starts dying.
1:18:07The minute you plug
1:18:10the cell phone out, it starts dying.
1:18:13Right? So, the phone that's in with 80%
1:18:16left and the phone that has 20% left are
1:18:19in the same condition,
1:18:22right? You just don't start looking for
1:18:23your charger until you hit 15%. Until
1:18:27you hit 10%. But it's actually it's
1:18:28always been dying ever since it left the
1:18:30plug.
1:18:30>> That's so good, bro.
1:18:31>> Okay. The reality is many of us we wait
1:18:33till we get to 10 and 5% to start saying
1:18:36God I feel I'm struggling I'm d no the
1:18:39minute you unplugged you started
1:18:40decreasing the minute you unplugged
1:18:43right you started you stopped abiding
1:18:46right you just waited till you were in
1:18:48the red zone
1:18:49>> to till your voice started creeping up
1:18:50again till you started getting thirsty
1:18:52again to say wait a minute I feel off
1:18:56you you knew your prayer life hadn't
1:18:57been where it's supposed to be you knew
1:18:59you hadn't been fasting like you
1:19:01supposed to be fasting And you knew God
1:19:02say, "Hey, pick it up two weeks ago."
1:19:06You knew God say, "Hey, I'm about to
1:19:07send something, so you need to." But we
1:19:09go, "Okay. All right, God. I got my kids
1:19:12right now." Okay, God. Okay. I got left.
1:19:16>> Okay. We wait till we are in the red
1:19:18zone, till lust is knocking on our door,
1:19:21till aggression to what irritated, till
1:19:23we cussing people out to ex to say,
1:19:24"Okay, what's going on?"
1:19:27Right? But when we talk about abiding,
1:19:29all right, it's it's that it means that
1:19:31we are always on the charger,
1:19:34right? That there's this this ever ever
1:19:36ever present relationship with God,
1:19:39right? That we're not waiting till we're
1:19:41dehydrated. We're not waiting until
1:19:42we're hungry. We're not waiting
1:19:44>> for that moment where we're feel like
1:19:47>> I and and the enemy is so cunning,
1:19:50>> right? He is so cunning that that he
1:19:52will fill you. It's like junk food,
1:19:54right?
1:19:54>> Yes. It's it's it's like you know that
1:19:56there's dinner going to be at the table.
1:19:58You know that that that your your wife
1:19:59cooked. You know you know there's this
1:20:01but okay that's two hours away. So I'm
1:20:03just going to get this little snack. I'm
1:20:04going just eat some. I'm going to just
1:20:06pick here. By the time you get home you
1:20:08don't you you don't even want the food.
1:20:09Well you might.
1:20:11>> Okay. [laughter]
1:20:12>> I feel you though.
1:20:13>> I see your plate. I feel you. You know
1:20:14what I'm saying? But but sometimes we we
1:20:16we we fill ourselves up with so much
1:20:18stuff but by the time it's supposed to
1:20:20it's it's time for us to actually
1:20:22connect. We are so full, but that the
1:20:24very thing that's supposed to abide and
1:20:25give us life, we don't have time for, we
1:20:28don't have energy for. The intimacy
1:20:30dies.
1:20:30>> And then we turn around and we say,
1:20:32wait, we look, we can look around and
1:20:33there's all this strange fruit around
1:20:35us.
1:20:36>> And we're like, how did this strange
1:20:37fruit get here? Because there's areas in
1:20:39your life that you stopped abiding.
1:20:46The difference between living
1:20:50and surviving. Surviving is literally
1:20:53the state
1:20:55of being not dead
1:20:58>> yet. That's good.
1:21:01living is is this onward blossoming
1:21:07comprehensive
1:21:09approach to life that does not leave
1:21:12room for the panic and anxiety of I just
1:21:16am trying to the Lord did not call us to
1:21:19live like that to survive and that's
1:21:21what junk food does God made the body so
1:21:23re resilient and I call it grace
1:21:26>> you could eat hot Cheetos every day
1:21:29until you're 32 to and not die.
1:21:32>> Yeah.
1:21:33>> But just because you're not dead.
1:21:35>> That is so good.
1:21:36>> Doesn't mean you're living. Doesn't mean
1:21:39you're nourished. God just says, "I'm
1:21:42hoping that they wake up tomorrow.
1:21:44>> Come on.
1:21:45>> I'm hoping that they change the I made
1:21:47your body so resilient that you could
1:21:49survive off toxins.
1:21:51>> Come on.
1:21:52>> You're surviving."
1:21:54>> Yeah.
1:21:54>> But it doesn't mean you're living. And
1:21:57and and that is why gifting is so
1:21:58dangerous.
1:22:00>> Oh my gosh.
1:22:01>> Because gifting can give you the
1:22:03illusion
1:22:05that you're healthy and the whole time
1:22:08you're dying,
1:22:10right? Gifting can give you the illusion
1:22:12be because you you can sing very well
1:22:14and people still get moved that you're
1:22:16abiding.
1:22:17>> Have mercy, God.
1:22:18>> Gifting because you can still prophesy
1:22:20makes you can can make you feel like,
1:22:22okay, I'm still doing well.
1:22:23>> Oh my goodness.
1:22:24>> Right. Well, all the time. And let me
1:22:25can I just say this? God is not
1:22:27impressed by your gifts.
1:22:30Okay? God is not impressed by your
1:22:32gifts.
1:22:34One one of the illustrations I always
1:22:35talk about is, you know, my kids are at
1:22:37this the age now of six and eight where
1:22:39we may we may start giving them
1:22:41allowances. Okay? And so they may get $5
1:22:45on Friday. Okay? And I have a son and a
1:22:48daughter. All right? Lily and and Levi.
1:22:50Okay? I sometimes I'll give Levi five.
1:22:53He'll he'll come and get his alliance
1:22:54for us. He'll get $5 for us. He'll run,
1:22:56"Look, Lily, I got $5." She's like, "Oh,
1:22:57you got money. You got money. X, Y, and
1:22:59Z." Right? He'll come back to me 10
1:23:02minutes later. I got $5. I got $5. Okay.
1:23:07I'm like, "Congratulations."
1:23:09Right? God is not congratulating you on
1:23:11the gift on on the fact that you have
1:23:14something that he gave you.
1:23:16>> I always say this, God's gifts or
1:23:19giftings is not proof of his love for
1:23:22you. It's progenous
1:23:24>> and it's proof that he loves them
1:23:27through you.
1:23:28>> Come on.
1:23:29>> He said there is a gift that I have
1:23:32given that proves my love for you.
1:23:34>> Come on.
1:23:34>> For God so loved
1:23:36>> that he gave what?
1:23:38>> Himself. Himself.
1:23:40>> If you want proof that God loves you,
1:23:42>> then you got to tap into him. You got to
1:23:44tap into source. You got to tap into his
1:23:46presence.
1:23:47>> Come on.
1:23:48>> If you want to know I love you, then tap
1:23:49into my presence. You want to love No, I
1:23:51love you and tap into me. My gifts are
1:23:54just proof that I love them through you.
1:23:56>> Come
1:23:57on.
1:23:58>> Ain't that kind of crazy that we
1:24:00[clears throat]
1:24:00>> Oh, God loves me because he let this
1:24:02prophetic word flow through me.
1:24:04>> That was for them.
1:24:05>> That was for them.
1:24:06>> Okay. I like see I said to him I'm like
1:24:09I'm like I'm not congratulating my kids
1:24:11for having money, right? I get some What
1:24:13impresses me, okay, is how they steward
1:24:15it.
1:24:16>> Oh my gosh.
1:24:18>> Okay. how how what impresses me is is
1:24:20what they do with it. Okay.
1:24:21>> Oh my goodness.
1:24:22>> They It's so funny. My the other day um
1:24:25I I heard my my my daughter and my son
1:24:27speaking, right? And so she always has
1:24:30more money than him.
1:24:31>> She I mean not because they get
1:24:33different amounts. He just likes to blow
1:24:35through his she holds on to hers.
1:24:39>> He came from outside and his shoes were
1:24:40dirty cuz he was playing outside in the
1:24:41dirt, right? and she looks at his shoes
1:24:43and she says, "Uh, Levi, um, I think I
1:24:48think I'm going to get you some shoes."
1:24:49She's eight.
1:24:51Okay. She She's 8 years old.
1:24:54>> Wow.
1:24:54>> Okay. And I I said I said, "Lily, uh,
1:24:57you I don't think you can afford those
1:24:58shoes." She ran upstairs, okay, got her
1:25:02little piggy bank and brought it down
1:25:05and and said, "Look,
1:25:07I've been saving all this money." And I
1:25:10was like, and and guess what? She had
1:25:12enough that she could have bought him
1:25:13shoes. But what even impressed me more
1:25:16is that she knew that our household had
1:25:18a need and she was ready to fill it with
1:25:20what I had given her.
1:25:26Okay?
1:25:28She she was aligned with the household.
1:25:31She knew that, hey, when when his shoes
1:25:33get to a certain amount of time, daddy's
1:25:36going to have to because she knows
1:25:38daddy's heart and she knows when his his
1:25:41when when his shoes get looking a
1:25:43certain type of raggedy, daddy's already
1:25:46going to go, it's time for some new
1:25:48shoes. And so she says, "Hey, you know
1:25:49what? With what you've given me, I'm
1:25:52going to do cuz I know your heart."
1:25:55>> What you just said, you keep on drilling
1:25:58this point. The the prodigal son's
1:26:02brother said that your son you're
1:26:05celebrating but I've been here all this
1:26:07time.
1:26:08>> Come on.
1:26:09>> The father said that your brother
1:26:13>> come on
1:26:14>> was lost and now is found. Is dead and
1:26:16now is alive.
1:26:18>> Same person referred to in two different
1:26:20ways.
1:26:21>> Come on.
1:26:21>> The brother said that's your son. The
1:26:24father said that's your son. your
1:26:25brother. You said,
1:26:27>> "Come on,
1:26:28>> the the embrace between the father and
1:26:31the prodical son should have been a
1:26:34three-way hug,
1:26:35>> right?
1:26:35>> If the brother had his father's heart,
1:26:37he would have been waiting with him.
1:26:39>> It should have been a a two-way kiss. It
1:26:42should have been a three-way embrace."
1:26:44>> But we're we're we see the souls of
1:26:47individuals around us and we're just
1:26:49trying to get to our next level cuz God,
1:26:51that's your kids,
1:26:52>> right? Right?
1:26:53>> God is saying, "That's your brother."
1:26:55>> But come on,
1:26:56>> that's your sister.
1:26:57>> And and didn't I put in you what they
1:27:00need that could restore them?
1:27:03>> Did Did not I give you
1:27:08and and and this is the thing. If you
1:27:10had my heart, you would see that you had
1:27:12in you what they needed to be restored,
1:27:14>> bro. Man, you know what, bro? You know
1:27:18what?
1:27:20[laughter]
1:27:22Okay.
1:27:23>> So, so, so, so this is reality. So, so
1:27:25that's that shows me that you can have
1:27:27God's gifting.
1:27:29You can have the wisdom of it. But, do
1:27:31you have his heart?
1:27:35Because when you have his heart, you
1:27:38will see the need
1:27:40before he tells you about it.
1:27:45Okay.
1:27:48So that's what this was about, huh?
1:27:50[laughter]
1:27:51So that's what this is about. This
1:27:55that is the genetic marker.
1:27:57>> Come on.
1:27:58>> For being a branch. Do you have the
1:28:02heart
1:28:04of God? Do you have the heart of the
1:28:06father? We will not be able to approach
1:28:08this accordingly without his heart. I
1:28:11want to ask you, I know we we we've
1:28:14spoke a spoken a lot and I know you
1:28:15probably have something else that you
1:28:17want to share, but I want to ask
1:28:18practically, man.
1:28:21So, I'm hearing I'm hearing what's
1:28:23happening, but practically, if I have
1:28:27issues, I have fruit in my life. How do
1:28:31I go from seeing the fruit,
1:28:36experience, experiencing a level of
1:28:38deliverance,
1:28:40and then getting to a place where I'm
1:28:42able to walk out identifying these soul
1:28:45wounds or soul voids? Could you walk me
1:28:48through practically?
1:28:49>> Sure.
1:28:50>> And for the for the baby that's
1:28:51listening, what do I need to do cuz I'm
1:28:53one of those people that have these
1:28:55issues, but I don't know how to get from
1:28:56here to there. Uh so I think uh
1:28:59practically right you I always I always
1:29:02ask people when did this fruit start
1:29:04showing up in your life? When did you
1:29:07start noticing this fruit show up in
1:29:09your life? Okay. What situation
1:29:11triggered it? Right? What lie did you
1:29:14agree with or come into agreement with?
1:29:18All right. Or or sometimes it's this.
1:29:20What emotion did you make room for?
1:29:23All right. And then what spirit took
1:29:26advantage of that open door
1:29:30and what fruit has grown because of it?
1:29:34Those those are literally the questions
1:29:36I would start asking.
1:29:38Right? And if you go to soul
1:29:39disciplehip.org shameless plug we have a
1:29:41whole fruit assessment.
1:29:43>> What is the fruit assessment?
1:29:44>> All right. So the fruit assessment it
1:29:46literally is we take every fruit
1:29:49biblically every fruit and we start
1:29:51creating asking you situations right
1:29:54what have you experienced this and we
1:29:55can actually show you hey what fruit is
1:29:58lowing your life
1:29:59>> low
1:29:59>> yeah well like what fruit based on the
1:30:02the
1:30:03>> you got to bring your mic close so we
1:30:04can make sure you hear all right so it's
1:30:06it's we we call it the fruit assessment
1:30:08we do it in soul disciplehip and I think
1:30:09I did a part part of it on in on your on
1:30:11your teaching on um on your live
1:30:14>> and So, but now we kind of digitized it,
1:30:16right? And so, we start there's these
1:30:18questions, these questions that we ask
1:30:19to help you identify, okay, what fruit
1:30:22may be showing up in your life, right?
1:30:24Where did it come from? And then how do
1:30:26you renounce, right? And then re-root,
1:30:30okay? Because like I said, every fruit
1:30:32>> re-root is crazy. That's like a metaphor
1:30:34right there. What I'm talking about, I
1:30:36could go we could talk about the moberry
1:30:37tree. Okay? He said, come on. Do I have
1:30:40time? He because literally he said if
1:30:42you have faith right to speak to the
1:30:43tree he said you can cast it can be
1:30:46uprooted and throw it into sea and then
1:30:47God even talks about how it'll be
1:30:49replanted into the sea right which is
1:30:52unnatural for roots because roots can't
1:30:54survive in the sea. So what he's saying
1:30:57is that if if you would have faith
1:30:59enough in me the and the thing about the
1:31:01malberry tree if you look in it it has
1:31:02one of the most complex root systems
1:31:05right to show that even those
1:31:07complicated issues in your life even
1:31:09those generational issues in your life
1:31:11that you know your mama had a bad
1:31:12attitude and your grandma had had a bad
1:31:14attitude and your great grandma had a
1:31:15bad those complicated issues in your
1:31:17life that you don't you you're acting
1:31:18out things that you don't even know
1:31:20where it came from. Wow.
1:31:21>> Right. If you have enough faith to abide
1:31:23and to trust in God, even those can be
1:31:25uprooted and thrown into a sea where it
1:31:28will never survive and can never be
1:31:29replanted in your life again.
1:31:30>> My goodness.
1:31:32>> Right? And so we start walking people
1:31:34through each of these, right? And then
1:31:36the end of the assessment, it actually
1:31:37gives you a plan on how you can
1:31:40literally week by week start not only
1:31:42get rid of those fruit, but start
1:31:43rrooting yourself in the word of God.
1:31:46>> Oh my. Okay. So soul disciplehip.org.
1:31:50Yeah. So, we're going to put all the
1:31:52links in the description and also the um
1:31:54soul disciplehip school that you
1:31:56>> So, yeah. So, we we also have a soul
1:31:58disciplehip community.
1:31:59>> Okay.
1:31:59>> Where um like like I said, we have close
1:32:01to a thousand people. And so, we don't
1:32:03we we want you to we want to partner
1:32:05with you. All right. Um and we're even
1:32:08creating a a new pathway for for
1:32:10churches. Um because one of the things
1:32:11that I think, you know, I just don't
1:32:13like to come hard at ministries, right?
1:32:14I think God was like, "Okay, what what
1:32:16is the solution?" So we're actually
1:32:17creating a soul diagnostic system for
1:32:19churches so that pastors can say you
1:32:21know what how do I disciple my people
1:32:23right and so we're creating actually
1:32:25systems that churches we can partner
1:32:26with churches and pastors that say hey I
1:32:28have 15 20 40 people on my leadership
1:32:31team they can take an assessment and
1:32:33they can diagnose where they are in
1:32:34their soul and it can literally show you
1:32:36areas that that you can partner with
1:32:38your people to shepherd them in the
1:32:40areas of growth in their soul.
1:32:42>> That is so fire.
1:32:43>> Yes sir. And because like like I said, I
1:32:45really feel like God in this season is
1:32:47is bringing back the shepherd in grace.
1:32:49>> That's so good,
1:32:50>> right? And and how can how can
1:32:52ministries cuz let's be real, everyone
1:32:54is not equipped, right? Everyone if if
1:32:57pastors was going to sit down and have
1:32:59to take the time it it's it's it's
1:33:01challenging to do, right? To sit down
1:33:03with every single person on your team
1:33:05and say, "Okay, what what are you going
1:33:06through X Y and Z?" So this is a system
1:33:08that and and it's all Bible based
1:33:11straight from that's one thing we do.
1:33:13It's all of it comes from scripture,
1:33:15right? Every lie that we believe, we we
1:33:17we say, "Okay, what's lie that you
1:33:19believe and what is the biblical truth
1:33:20that you now need to insert into your
1:33:22soul that now will govern your soul?"
1:33:24>> Wow.
1:33:25>> Because in every area that you had a
1:33:27soul wound, you need a biblical truth to
1:33:29govern that area now.
1:33:30>> Oh my goodness.
1:33:32>> Okay. So, for example, if you if you had
1:33:34fatherlessness, if you had mother
1:33:36wounds, right? I always tell people as
1:33:38I'm even as I'm doing deliverance, you
1:33:39know, when your mother and father
1:33:40forsake you, God himself takes you up.
1:33:43That is your new governing scripture.
1:33:45That is truth that now your soul can
1:33:47live with. Yeah, my dad was gone, but
1:33:49guess what the Bible says? Well, if my
1:33:51mother and father forsaken me, God
1:33:53himself takes me up. I'm not a bastard.
1:33:55I'm not abandoned.
1:33:56>> Oh my goodness.
1:33:56>> And and Okay, so that place, that void
1:33:58that needs to be filled, well, I'm not
1:34:00abandoned because God himself took me up
1:34:04and now I can walk with that soul, my
1:34:06with that truth in my soul,
1:34:09right? There's there's a for every lie,
1:34:12God has a truth of his word that can
1:34:15fill every wound that was infested with
1:34:17a lie.
1:34:18>> Oh, chills.
1:34:20>> Right. And and and and I I really
1:34:22believe that that's my mandate in this
1:34:23next season is to truly help the body of
1:34:26Christ heal and and help ministers walk
1:34:29their people through through soul
1:34:31healing, soul voice, soul wounds so that
1:34:34they can walk out righteousness. As you
1:34:37were speaking, the Lord was saying, gave
1:34:39me a quick prayer for you that as you
1:34:42were speaking, he said, "This is my son
1:34:44and that is my heart." And he's saying,
1:34:48"The reason why you're able to one
1:34:50articulate what you're able to
1:34:52articulate is because your heart has
1:34:54been processed. Your life has been
1:34:56processed in his hands." He's also said
1:34:58that there were others that I wanted to
1:35:01release this message earlier through,
1:35:03but they didn't allow me to do proper
1:35:06work in them. And he's saying, "And the
1:35:08reason why you're able
1:35:11to love his sheep well
1:35:15is because you're giving them what you
1:35:18didn't get."
1:35:19>> Amen.
1:35:20>> And he
1:35:21he literally when he literally processed
1:35:24you in his hands.
1:35:26>> Amen. He fed you his truth. He gave you.
1:35:30You're literally creating something that
1:35:33is literally that has the fingerprints
1:35:35of God on it. That you can't say that
1:35:39you've been walked through what you're
1:35:40about to walk people through.
1:35:42>> Yeah. It's true. Yeah.
1:35:43>> You can't say that you've been loved in
1:35:45the ways that God is gifting you to
1:35:47love.
1:35:48>> Amen. And if you wanted to know
1:35:51if the Lord was with you, then you need
1:35:54to receive what he's done in your life
1:35:57as the greatest miracle that could be
1:36:00done.
1:36:01>> Amen.
1:36:01>> Because what he is using you to do is so
1:36:05transformational,
1:36:07so transcending and powerful that only
1:36:10he could do it.
1:36:11>> Amen.
1:36:12>> By himself.
1:36:13>> Oh, amen. I receive that.
1:36:15>> Amen.
1:36:16>> Amen. I want to pray for those that are
1:36:18watching.
1:36:20>> This was really, really powerful for me,
1:36:22lifechanging for me. What I took away
1:36:24from it is
1:36:26there's a responsibility on my life.
1:36:30God is counting on me. He's looking to
1:36:33me to be a vessel for his intention in
1:36:37the lives of those around me. That I
1:36:40there's a demand on my life for fruit
1:36:42for those that are around me. That's
1:36:43one. And two, the consequence of being
1:36:47fruitless is exponential.
1:36:50>> Come on.
1:36:52>> I I I refuse.
1:36:55I refuse to be fruitful.
1:36:56>> The Bible says it. He says that any tree
1:36:58that does not bear fruit.
1:36:59>> Oh my goodness, man.
1:37:01>> Okay. Is literally cut off, right? And
1:37:05and and there's so many of us and it's
1:37:07it's just like the the fig tree that was
1:37:10supposed to be producing fruit. I'm
1:37:12saying and and he and and the the
1:37:14reality is is it it looked like it had
1:37:18leaves,
1:37:20right? That that that if you if you
1:37:23start if you do a little study, the
1:37:25leaves only come as as a as a form of
1:37:28maturity.
1:37:29>> Oh my goodness.
1:37:29>> Right. So, it had all of the sentiments
1:37:32as though it that there when he got up
1:37:35close there should be fruit,
1:37:38>> but when he got there, there was no
1:37:40fruit on the tree. Oh my goodness.
1:37:42>> And what did he do? He cursed it.
1:37:45>> Mercy, Jesus.
1:37:47>> Which shows that there's so many of us
1:37:48that you've been in his presence long
1:37:51enough that there's the the amount of
1:37:52fruit that should be emanating on your
1:37:54life?
1:37:54>> See, Jesus,
1:37:56>> right? It should be so much abundant
1:37:59fruit. And then if you do have fruit, is
1:38:02it filled with thistles and thorns?
1:38:05That that every time someone tries to go
1:38:06and grab one, they get cut.
1:38:09>> They get wounded.
1:38:12Will you allow God to process those
1:38:14areas in your soul so that you can be a
1:38:16healthy representation?
1:38:18>> Come on, man.
1:38:20>> That you can be a healthy representation
1:38:22of his body.
1:38:23>> Wow.
1:38:26>> And I and I say this as someone that
1:38:28there's been times that I've been an
1:38:29unhealthy representation.
1:38:33Right. And so I had to go through the
1:38:36pressing to your point. I had to go
1:38:38through the the shaping and and the
1:38:41extremely hard seasons cuz God had to
1:38:43process that out of me. And I had to
1:38:45look at the fruit that was being
1:38:47produced in my life and say, "God, this
1:38:50doesn't look like what it's supposed to
1:38:52look like. God, I I want my life to to
1:38:56make the right sound. I want my fruit to
1:38:58be something that that you look at and
1:39:00say, "Yeah, this came from my kingdom. I
1:39:02want the the the fruit that people are
1:39:04able to to to get from my life to be
1:39:06something that when they ingest, they
1:39:08don't get sick.
1:39:09>> Come on, man.
1:39:10>> That they that they find it as
1:39:11nourishment and they're able to grow and
1:39:13get better and and find you even even
1:39:16the more. And I don't I want it so much
1:39:18that that I'm almost invisible.
1:39:21>> Oh man.
1:39:21>> That when they see me, they see you.
1:39:23>> Yeah.
1:39:24>> Right. That the fruit of my life when
1:39:26they say, "Well, why does Rob have
1:39:27peace?" It's because I've been with the
1:39:28Prince of Peace. when when they see joy,
1:39:31they they in circumstances that I should
1:39:33not have joy, they could say, "Well,
1:39:34it's probably because he's been with the
1:39:36Lord, right? That like that's that that
1:39:39is the testimony I want my life to to
1:39:41say,
1:39:43right? Um how how could I love people in
1:39:46such a way
1:39:50that that that speaks that I've been
1:39:52with God?
1:40:00You know that that that is what I
1:40:01believe God truly wants
1:40:04>> the body to get to
1:40:07brother.
1:40:10I'm a believer, man. I'm a I'm a
1:40:13believer. Everything that that has come
1:40:15forth today, Lord, I receive it. I
1:40:19receive it. I pray that everyone that
1:40:21heard this message today that they don't
1:40:22just This is This was not a podcast. I
1:40:25don't even know what this was, but it
1:40:26was in the podcast. And I pray every
1:40:28leader, every minister, every parent,
1:40:31every husband, every wife receives this.
1:40:34And and even this assessment, man, it's
1:40:36a really practical way to be able to see
1:40:38real time what's happening.
1:40:40>> Yeah.
1:40:40>> Diagnosing yourself based on scripture.
1:40:42Yeah.
1:40:42>> And um so I encourage this. Go ahead,
1:40:45man.
1:40:45>> Because just just people that and and
1:40:47and it's in it, but just because if to
1:40:50be uh ministerally responsible. So, so
1:40:53the goal when you take the is not to
1:40:55diagnose yourself and then start trying
1:40:57to produce that fruit.
1:40:58>> Oh man. Say, so, so the goal is not to
1:41:01say, "Oh, wow. I realize that I have low
1:41:04patience. Let me start being more
1:41:06patient because then then you're falling
1:41:07into the trap of what we just talked
1:41:09about, right?" It means that you have to
1:41:12be rrooted in that area that there's and
1:41:15and and the assessment will help you,
1:41:17but it it starts saying, "Hey, there's a
1:41:19place in in in that that you're not
1:41:21r-rooted and going to God for." And so
1:41:24when you identify that place, that's
1:41:26when you need to be seeking the Lord for
1:41:27that fruit.
1:41:28>> That's so good.
1:41:28>> And I just wanted to make sure we were
1:41:30responsible in even saying that.
1:41:31>> That's so good. That's so good, man.
1:41:33It's on you, man. If you could pray for
1:41:34those that are listening, man.
1:41:35>> Sure. Um so, Father God, I just thank
1:41:37you right now in the mighty name of
1:41:39Jesus. Lord, I thank you for this
1:41:40conversation. Lord, I thank you. I even
1:41:42feel that, Lord, that you are with us.
1:41:43You've been with us, Father, through
1:41:44this conversation. Lord, I thank you,
1:41:46Lord, that each and every listener, each
1:41:48and every person that will will listen
1:41:50to this podcast, Father God, that will
1:41:52listen to this, Father, over the
1:41:53airways, Lord, that they will take an
1:41:54assessment,
1:41:56that they will partner with you, Lord,
1:41:58to identify what areas of their soul,
1:42:01Father God, what area of their hearts
1:42:02and their minds, Father, that you're
1:42:04trying to do a great work in, Father,
1:42:06that they would partner with the Holy
1:42:07Spirit. That they would learn to truly
1:42:09abide in you in every area, Lord. that
1:42:12that you are healing the souls and the
1:42:14hearts of men. Father, I thank you right
1:42:16now in the mighty name of Jesus, Lord,
1:42:18that this word would go, Father God, and
1:42:20it would go, Father God, to their
1:42:21depths, Father God, that every person
1:42:24that needs to hear it, Father, that that
1:42:26they would listen uh, you know, in in
1:42:28full, Lord, and they would grab whatever
1:42:29it is that you want them to grab from
1:42:31it, Father God. This is not about my
1:42:33This is not about me. This is not about
1:42:35Ezekiel, Lord. This is about you and you
1:42:36grabbing your people and healing them
1:42:39and getting them to the place in there
1:42:40so that they can be fruitful in your
1:42:42kingdom. That that they can hear you
1:42:43say, "Well done, thy good and faithful
1:42:46serv."
1:42:46>> Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.
1:42:48>> That they can stand that that we all can
1:42:50stand before you. I put myself in it,
1:42:52too. That that we all can stand before
1:42:54you.
1:42:54>> Yes, God.
1:42:55>> Proud with the with with what we that
1:42:57what we're coming to you with with the
1:42:59fruit that's in our hand. And we will
1:43:00know that it's something that you will
1:43:01say, "I approved of this."
1:43:03>> There you go. that this fruit looks like
1:43:05me, that this is organic fruit from the
1:43:07kingdom of heaven.
1:43:09>> So, Father God, I thank you, Lord, that
1:43:11you're healing your body, that you're
1:43:13sending shepherds out, Father, in a
1:43:15mighty way that that would steward the
1:43:16souls and the hearts of men.
1:43:18>> Thank you.
1:43:18>> And I thank you for all these things in
1:43:19Jesus my name we pray.
1:43:21>> Amen.
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