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  1. 0:00welcome back to part two of the murder
  2. 0:02of Gail Miller and the wrongful
  3. 0:04conviction of David Milgard if you
  4. 0:06haven't watched part one the link to
  5. 0:08that video will be in the description
  6. 0:09box below so where we last left off
  7. 0:12David Milgard had just been convicted of
  8. 0:15Gail Miller's murder the courtroom was
  9. 0:18apparently dead quiet except for a group
  10. 0:20of teenage girls who had been watching
  11. 0:22the trial for the last few days they
  12. 0:24began to cry but not for David it was
  13. 0:27because the trial was over they had told
  14. 0:30a reporter the night before quote
  15. 0:32there's no other excitement in the city
  16. 0:34when thinking back to that moment in
  17. 0:37time David's memory of his conviction
  18. 0:39was blurry quote I don't remember
  19. 0:43actually hearing them say guilty or not
  20. 0:46guilty I just heard a bunch of noises
  21. 0:48around me and kind of turned around
  22. 0:51I looked at my dad I never really saw my
  23. 0:55dad look anything but who he was strong
  24. 0:58at that point I looked and he didn't
  25. 1:00look very strong it scared me too and
  26. 1:04then I must have known that they had
  27. 1:06said guilty at the age of 17 David was
  28. 1:10then sentenced to life in prison his
  29. 1:13family was in shock they never thought
  30. 1:15for a second that he was guilty and
  31. 1:17shortly after David was convicted the
  32. 1:20Milgard family moved from langenberg to
  33. 1:22Winnipeg small town langenberg was just
  34. 1:25too tiny of a community and the Milgard
  35. 1:27family had been stained by the
  36. 1:29conviction but the family rallied around
  37. 1:31David after he was sent to Prince Albert
  38. 1:33Penitentiary and throughout it all they
  39. 1:36never gave up on his innocence Joyce
  40. 1:38Milgard knew her son wasn't an angel she
  41. 1:41knew about the petty crime and the drug
  42. 1:43use but she also knew that he wasn't a
  43. 1:46violent person and David wasted no time
  44. 1:49filing an appeal less than one week
  45. 1:51after he was sentenced quote I ended up
  46. 1:55getting a typewriter and I was typing
  47. 1:57inside the prison where everybody was
  48. 1:59open front cells cages and people could
  49. 2:03hear me and everybody was so upset at
  50. 2:05this young guy trying to type all night
  51. 2:08in a February 11 1971 article in the
  52. 2:11Saskatoon Star Phoenix it was reported
  53. 2:14that two people had applied for the two
  54. 2:16thousand dollar reward that was being
  55. 2:18offered by the Saskatoon Police
  56. 2:20Department however because an appeal had
  57. 2:23been launched by David there were
  58. 2:25questions about whether the reward would
  59. 2:27be paid now or until all appeals were
  60. 2:29exhausted David appealed his conviction
  61. 2:32at Saskatchewan's court of appeal and
  62. 2:35Cal Talus would once again be arguing
  63. 2:37his case and defending the Crown's
  64. 2:40verdict would be prosecutor Serge Kujawa
  65. 2:42Talus argued that the verdict was
  66. 2:45unreasonable and could not be supported
  67. 2:47by the evidence he also objected to two
  68. 2:50decisions made by Justice bence the
  69. 2:53first was allowing evidence regarding
  70. 2:55Ron Wilson's blood type and the second
  71. 2:57was the cross-examination of Nicole
  72. 3:00John's original statement in the
  73. 3:02presence of the jury Telus said that
  74. 3:05this was something that should have been
  75. 3:06done with the jury absence
  76. 3:08but on January 5th 1971 the Saskatchewan
  77. 3:12court of appeal announced its ruling
  78. 3:15that the jury was justified in finding
  79. 3:17David guilty and his appeal was denied
  80. 3:20meanwhile according to the Star Phoenix
  81. 3:22at least three people had quietly
  82. 3:25applied for the two thousand dollar
  83. 3:26reward being offered in April of 1971
  84. 3:30David's application for legal aid to
  85. 3:33appeal his conviction to the Supreme
  86. 3:34Court of Canada was rejected and on
  87. 3:38November 15 1971 the Supreme Court of
  88. 3:41Canada refused to hear milgard's appeal
  89. 3:44in the eyes of the law David Milgard was
  90. 3:47guilty and was to spend the rest of his
  91. 3:49life in prison two weeks after the
  92. 3:51appeals process was finalized prosecutor
  93. 3:54Bob Caldwell and a Saskatoon lawyer met
  94. 3:58to discuss who would get the reward
  95. 4:00money Ten Years Later it was discovered
  96. 4:02that Albert could rain or shorty claimed
  97. 4:05the two thousand dollar reward and the
  98. 4:08other two people who applied were never
  99. 4:10identified almost immediately opinions
  100. 4:13about the verdict were split and only
  101. 4:16two weeks after David Milgard was
  102. 4:18convicted and sent to prison the rapes
  103. 4:21and Saskatoon started up again on
  104. 4:24February 21st 1970 Cheryl Nelson an 18
  105. 4:28year old high school student was walking
  106. 4:30home from work
  107. 4:32she worked part-time at City Hospital in
  108. 4:35the cafeteria the same hospital where
  109. 4:37Gail Miller worked she also took the
  110. 4:40same bus that Gail Miller would take to
  111. 4:42work 20th Street well riding the bus she
  112. 4:46noticed a man wearing orange boots with
  113. 4:48long dirty hair sitting across the aisle
  114. 4:50from her she recognized him but couldn't
  115. 4:53remember where she saw him before when
  116. 4:56she got off the bus the man followed her
  117. 4:58and suddenly attacked her from behind
  118. 5:00and pulled her into a nearby yard where
  119. 5:03he sexually assaulted her and ran away
  120. 5:05immediately afterwards police were
  121. 5:08notified but Cheryl was unable to
  122. 5:10positively identify the suspect
  123. 5:13however one of the detectives made a
  124. 5:15comment that she remembered that this
  125. 5:18attack was similar to the Gail Miller
  126. 5:19case she thought this was a strange
  127. 5:22remark since the man who was responsible
  128. 5:24was in prison in the spring of 1970
  129. 5:27construction work around Saskatoon was
  130. 5:30drying up and masonry contractors
  131. 5:32successfully bid on a project in the
  132. 5:35city of Winnipeg Larry Fisher was
  133. 5:37offered an opportunity and jumped to the
  134. 5:39chance to go and his wife Linda was all
  135. 5:42for him going she was just happy that he
  136. 5:45was working and earning money on the
  137. 5:47evening of August 2nd 1970 Barbara
  138. 5:50Sullivan was in downtown Winnipeg
  139. 5:52heading home from a nursing course she
  140. 5:55boarded the last bus of the night which
  141. 5:57only took her as far as the University
  142. 5:59of Manitoba campus once she arrived at
  143. 6:03her stop she still had a while to walk
  144. 6:05home she was only one block away from
  145. 6:08her home when a man approached her
  146. 6:10asking for directions she told him she
  147. 6:13was unable to help him but when she
  148. 6:15continued to walk away from him he
  149. 6:17grabbed her from behind held a knife to
  150. 6:20her throat and covered her mouth she was
  151. 6:23sexually assaulted while he continued to
  152. 6:25hit her and then he made her lie on her
  153. 6:28stomach and tied her arms and legs
  154. 6:30together with her own clothes the tiny
  155. 6:33police force and Fort Jerry Manitoba
  156. 6:35wasn't sure how to handle these brutal
  157. 6:37attacks
  158. 6:38detective Lauren Huff who was with the
  159. 6:41force at the time said that in his 26
  160. 6:43years as a police officer he had seen
  161. 6:46all kinds of offenses but this one was
  162. 6:48hard to forget and Larry Fisher gave no
  163. 6:51indication that he was the one
  164. 6:53responsible he worked 40 hours a week
  165. 6:56minimum often putting in overtime on
  166. 6:59September 19th Mary Preston an 18 year
  167. 7:03old first-year Dentistry student took
  168. 7:05the bus downtown back home in South
  169. 7:08Winnipeg after an evening at the pub
  170. 7:10with friends she got off the bus about
  171. 7:13four blocks away from her home when a
  172. 7:16man came up from behind her and put his
  173. 7:18hand over her mouth she started to
  174. 7:20struggle and scream but this didn't stop
  175. 7:22him however he failed to notice that a
  176. 7:25neighbor close by had heard Preston
  177. 7:27screaming and called the police Larry
  178. 7:30Fisher had finally been caught in the
  179. 7:32act and right away he started confessing
  180. 7:35to the other rapes that had been taking
  181. 7:37place around Fort Jerry his wife Linda
  182. 7:40was in shock she was in denial and
  183. 7:43didn't want to admit that he was capable
  184. 7:45of doing what they were accusing him of
  185. 7:47but soon she learned that not only had
  186. 7:50he confessed to the assaults in Winnipeg
  187. 7:52but similar attacks in Saskatoon except
  188. 7:55the one on Gail Miller of course Fisher
  189. 7:58confessed to Saskatoon detectives to
  190. 8:00attacking Four Women in Saskatoon and
  191. 8:03during their interrogation there were no
  192. 8:06questions asked about Gail Miller's
  193. 8:08murder they never even considered him as
  194. 8:10a possibility as far as they were
  195. 8:12concerned the right man was in prison
  196. 8:14but police had more than enough cause to
  197. 8:17reopen the case based on what they just
  198. 8:19heard and in Gail Miller's case the
  199. 8:22trail of evidence led to Shorty's house
  200. 8:24it was the right house just the wrong
  201. 8:27person even Fisher's wife was convinced
  202. 8:30that Larry could be responsible for the
  203. 8:32murder when she had a chance to reflect
  204. 8:34on everything in a Manitoba Court in May
  205. 8:37of 1907 71 Larry Fisher would plead
  206. 8:41guilty to two charges of rape one charge
  207. 8:44of robbery and one possession of an
  208. 8:46offensive weapon he was sentenced to six
  209. 8:49and a half years to be served
  210. 8:51concurrently but strangely enough he was
  211. 8:54not sent back to Saskatoon to stand
  212. 8:56trial for the attacks that took place
  213. 8:58there fisher was sent to Regina instead
  214. 9:01where he pled guilty to all charges
  215. 9:03Serge Kujawa was the prosecutor on the
  216. 9:06case the same prosecutor who argued
  217. 9:09against David milgard's appeal less than
  218. 9:12a year before
  219. 9:13and there was no media present in court
  220. 9:16when Larry Fisher pleaded guilty in
  221. 9:18Regina and was quietly sentenced to 13
  222. 9:21years in prison that's not entirely true
  223. 9:24I did find this tiny little press blurb
  224. 9:27on page 12 of the Star Phoenix just
  225. 9:29below the obituaries where no one ever
  226. 9:32looks of course and it's incredibly
  227. 9:35vague it makes no mention of how many
  228. 9:38victims he attacked in Saskatoon or
  229. 9:40where the crimes were even committed
  230. 9:42David of course knew about none of this
  231. 9:45if he did he could have used this
  232. 9:48information for his appeals this would
  233. 9:51be the beginning of what David Milgard
  234. 9:53and his legal team felt were multiple
  235. 9:55cover-ups by police and prosecutors in a
  236. 9:592021 interview David would be quoted as
  237. 10:02saying I believe the prosecutor himself
  238. 10:05somehow really knew what was going on in
  239. 10:08this situation and more for his own
  240. 10:11self-preservation than anything else he
  241. 10:14decided to continue to suppress this
  242. 10:16information in 1992 the Canadian press
  243. 10:19would report that new evidence suggested
  244. 10:22former Saskatchewan Premier Roy romanow
  245. 10:25and Senior justice department
  246. 10:27bureaucrats knew that there were doubts
  247. 10:30about the Milgard conviction since 1971
  248. 10:33and at a press conference Joyce Milgard
  249. 10:36revealed to reporters that a former
  250. 10:39Saskatchewan justice department employee
  251. 10:41said he was there when David's file and
  252. 10:44Larry Fisher's file were taken together
  253. 10:46into a department meeting back in 1971.
  254. 10:50the secret meetings allegedly included
  255. 10:53Roy romanow who was Saskatchewan's
  256. 10:55Justice Minister back then and serge
  257. 10:58Kujawa the prosecutor who argued against
  258. 11:01David's appeal and who handled Fisher's
  259. 11:04rape conviction coincidentally enough
  260. 11:06gujawa later went on to work in
  261. 11:09romanow's government according to the
  262. 11:12leader Star news in a written Memo from
  263. 11:14kajawa to Premier Alan blackeney dated
  264. 11:17December 1971. he wrote that fisher had
  265. 11:21just confessed to the Saskatoon rapes
  266. 11:23and kajawa wanted to move forward with
  267. 11:26these charges as soon as possible this
  268. 11:29memo was written just weeks after
  269. 11:31Milgard had exhausted his last chance to
  270. 11:34appeal his conviction for Miller's
  271. 11:36murder milgard's attorney claimed that
  272. 11:38someone in the Saskatchewan government
  273. 11:40didn't want the public to be informed of
  274. 11:43Fisher's 1971 confession to the sexual
  275. 11:46assaults around Saskatoon because it
  276. 11:49would have raised questions about
  277. 11:50whether he was to blame for Miller's
  278. 11:52rape and murder it's important to note
  279. 11:55that Milgard wasn't in Saskatoon during
  280. 11:57the time that fisher was terrorizing the
  281. 11:59women of Saskatoon and while the police
  282. 12:02were keeping quiet about Larry Fisher
  283. 12:04they conveniently forgot to notify his
  284. 12:06four victims about his arrest they
  285. 12:09didn't find out that Larry Fisher had
  286. 12:11been arrested and convicted for their
  287. 12:13assault adults until 20 years later in
  288. 12:161991 after he was convicted Larry Fisher
  289. 12:20was sent to Prince Albert Penitentiary
  290. 12:22the same prison where David Milgard was
  291. 12:24being held
  292. 12:26talk about rubbing salt in the wound
  293. 12:28David's first two years behind bars were
  294. 12:30most likely the most challenging he was
  295. 12:33only 17 years old being held in a
  296. 12:35Maximum Security Prison on August 4th
  297. 12:381971 a prison psychiatrist report
  298. 12:42described Milgard as a quote frightened
  299. 12:45young inmate adding that he claims his
  300. 12:48innocence and doesn't appear to be the
  301. 12:50criminal type and a staff psychologist
  302. 12:52noticed that he had a strange
  303. 12:54relationship with the other inmates they
  304. 12:56either seemed to be amused by him or
  305. 12:59respected him eventually he would be
  306. 13:01subjected to a variety of attacks but
  307. 13:04held his own and stood up for himself
  308. 13:06his Defiance caused him to rack up 31
  309. 13:10institutional offenses during the first
  310. 13:1218 months of his sentence there were
  311. 13:15multiple suicide attempts as well one
  312. 13:18time he jumped out a second story window
  313. 13:20and in the fall of 1971 he swallowed
  314. 13:23some wires and required emergency
  315. 13:25surgery he even went on a hunger strike
  316. 13:28although he admits these were more cries
  317. 13:31for help than suicide attempts what he
  318. 13:33really wanted was to be transferred to
  319. 13:35Stony Mountain Institution near Winnipeg
  320. 13:38so he was closer to his family there was
  321. 13:40also a [ __ ] ton of wrongful diagnosis
  322. 13:43from prison psychiatrists one said he
  323. 13:46had antisocial personality disorder but
  324. 13:48he wasn't psychotic nor neurotic in 1972
  325. 13:52David was notified that he was being
  326. 13:54transferred but not to Stony Mountain
  327. 13:56Institution he would be moving to
  328. 13:59Dorchester Penitentiary on the east
  329. 14:01coast in New Brunswick Dorchester is not
  330. 14:05a nice place to say the least it's the
  331. 14:07second oldest prison in Canada and it's
  332. 14:09pretty creepy looking back in the 70s
  333. 14:12though it was especially violent and had
  334. 14:14numerous cases of stabbings and beatings
  335. 14:16actually it still sort of is in 2011
  336. 14:19former cult leader Roche theriot was
  337. 14:22murdered in his cell in Dorchester by
  338. 14:24another inmate while he was at
  339. 14:26Dorchester Milgard was often put into
  340. 14:28solitary confinement and the guards
  341. 14:31would entertain themselves by throwing
  342. 14:33tear gas into the cells in March of 1973
  343. 14:36David managed to escape from Dorchester
  344. 14:39he broke out with three other inmates 29
  345. 14:43year old Mitchell satell 29 year old
  346. 14:45William Harvey and 24 year old Douglas
  347. 14:48Francis herseg they escaped after
  348. 14:51holding a guard hostage for over an hour
  349. 14:53and stole the guard's Revolver They were
  350. 14:56only on the run for a day and the group
  351. 14:58held an elderly couple hostage in their
  352. 15:01Farmhouse before they were recaptured on
  353. 15:03the outskirts of Sackville New Brunswick
  354. 15:05they were found on a side Road near the
  355. 15:07trans-canada highway their truck had
  356. 15:09broken down and they fled into the woods
  357. 15:11but the dogs tracked them down Joyce
  358. 15:14Milgard wrote in her book A Mother's
  359. 15:16story three quote David told us the
  360. 15:19guards just stood there and let the dogs
  361. 15:21chew on them he said that afterward when
  362. 15:24they got back to the prison the guards
  363. 15:26beat him he said that he had been beaten
  364. 15:28before but never with such brutality
  365. 15:31along with the other inmates Milgard
  366. 15:34received another three years for the
  367. 15:36prison break and six years for armed
  368. 15:38robbery to run concurrently with his
  369. 15:40other sentence in 1976 he was finally
  370. 15:44approved to be transferred to Stoney
  371. 15:46Mountain Institution and by 1977 he was
  372. 15:49able to apply for day parole this would
  373. 15:52be the first of over 20 applications he
  374. 15:55would submit but the parole board
  375. 15:57wouldn't even consider him eligible
  376. 15:59until he admitted and atoned for his
  377. 16:02crimes which I guess makes sense if a
  378. 16:04person is guilty but it creates quite
  379. 16:07the conundrum if a person is wrongfully
  380. 16:09convicted the parole board had an
  381. 16:12incredibly arrogant attitude towards
  382. 16:14David's family as well telling them that
  383. 16:17their belief in his innocence was
  384. 16:19slowing down his process of his
  385. 16:21re-education Milgard was in a catch-22
  386. 16:25the parole board was holding his claims
  387. 16:27of Innocence against him and he would be
  388. 16:30denied day parole on October 5th 1977
  389. 16:33but he continued to move forward
  390. 16:36completing more training and prison
  391. 16:38programs and for the most part staying
  392. 16:41out of trouble
  393. 16:42however every time prison and parole
  394. 16:44officers opened his file they saw an
  395. 16:47assortment of conflicting psychiatric
  396. 16:49Assessments in some he was judged to be
  397. 16:52normal and then others he was bordering
  398. 16:55psychotic it's a spectrum that doesn't
  399. 16:57make any sense after being denied parole
  400. 17:00again in 1979 David had a small taste of
  401. 17:03freedom in 1980. on August 22nd 1980
  402. 17:07while on a temporary escorted pass for
  403. 17:10his brother's birthday David escaped
  404. 17:12again police across Canada were on the
  405. 17:16look for him and even the FBI was
  406. 17:18contacted he somehow made it from
  407. 17:20Winnipeg all the way to downtown Toronto
  408. 17:22he lived under the name David McAdam and
  409. 17:26even found a job selling encyclopedias
  410. 17:28over the telephone he alluded police for
  411. 17:31two and a half months until he was
  412. 17:32apprehended on November 8th they
  413. 17:35actually chased David through an alley
  414. 17:37and thought they saw him reaching for a
  415. 17:39gun so they shot him in the but just
  416. 17:43inches away from his spine and even
  417. 17:45though the officer had just shot an
  418. 17:47unarmed man in the back he was later
  419. 17:49cleared of any misconduct David's Escape
  420. 17:52as well as being shot by cops was his
  421. 17:55mother's Breaking Point Joyce Milgard
  422. 17:57realized she could no longer rely on
  423. 18:00pleading David's case to the parole
  424. 18:02board as this was going nowhere quote
  425. 18:05once David escaped that's when I really
  426. 18:08took on the role as investigator really
  427. 18:11at that point the whole family did there
  428. 18:14was no way they were going to let him
  429. 18:16out they were going to throw away the
  430. 18:18key once they got him back there the
  431. 18:21only way we were going to get David out
  432. 18:24is to find out who really did it she
  433. 18:27cashed out her retirement savings and on
  434. 18:29December 30th 1980 she announced that
  435. 18:32the family was offering a ten thousand
  436. 18:34dollar reward for anyone who had
  437. 18:36information that would exonerate David
  438. 18:38she publicized the offer all over
  439. 18:41Saskatoon she gave interviews and
  440. 18:44pleaded with the public to come forward
  441. 18:46if they had information about the murder
  442. 18:48she then ordered transcripts of David's
  443. 18:51preliminary hearing and trial and
  444. 18:53analyzed them carefully finding numerous
  445. 18:56errors and inconsistencies
  446. 18:58and came to the conclusion that the
  447. 19:01Crown's case was ridiculous
  448. 19:03the prosecution's case in a nutshell was
  449. 19:06that David had gotten his car stuck he
  450. 19:09then randomly raped and murdered a total
  451. 19:11stranger and then got the car working
  452. 19:13again and then drove several blocks
  453. 19:16where he went into a motel and acted
  454. 19:18completely normal and all of this
  455. 19:20occurred within a few minutes none of it
  456. 19:23made any sense the Milgard family in
  457. 19:26their heart always felt that David was
  458. 19:28innocent but the court transcripts
  459. 19:30proved to them that they were right and
  460. 19:32this made them more determined than ever
  461. 19:34to get him out the reward got the
  462. 19:37Public's attention but most of the leads
  463. 19:39went nowhere they were just people
  464. 19:41trying to make a quick Buck Joyce soon
  465. 19:44figured out that the case rested in the
  466. 19:46hands of those who testified at the
  467. 19:48trial against David she needed to find
  468. 19:51them and convince them to tell the truth
  469. 19:53she received help from a freelance
  470. 19:55journalist named Peter Carlyle Gorge
  471. 19:58when he learned more about the case he
  472. 20:01became convinced a huge Injustice had
  473. 20:03occurred quote in my view David Milgard
  474. 20:07is as much of a victim of a heinous
  475. 20:09crime as Gail Miller was the only
  476. 20:12difference is that the state not an
  477. 20:15individual was the perpetrator of the
  478. 20:17crime against him in 1981 Joyce and
  479. 20:20Peter Tracked Down Ron Wilson he was
  480. 20:23living in Regina Saskatchewan and agreed
  481. 20:25to talk to them although he acted
  482. 20:27uncomfortable he told them that in his
  483. 20:30first statement he gave to police David
  484. 20:33wasn't out of Wilson's sight for more
  485. 20:35than a few moments of the day the murder
  486. 20:37took place but by the time he was on the
  487. 20:40stand to testify at the trial Wilson
  488. 20:43claimed that David and Ron were part for
  489. 20:45around 20 minutes Ron said the police
  490. 20:48were pressuring him to change his
  491. 20:50statement and that 10 years later he
  492. 20:52didn't think that David was guilty
  493. 20:54Nicole John was a little harder to find
  494. 20:56than Ron she had gotten married and
  495. 20:59changed her last name and at first
  496. 21:01declined to speak with Joyce but later
  497. 21:04changed her mind as long as she could
  498. 21:06bring her lawyer to the meeting her
  499. 21:08memories of the events from 12 years ago
  500. 21:10were hazy she had no memory of seeing a
  501. 21:13knife on the trip to Saskatoon or seeing
  502. 21:16anything in the lane when the car got
  503. 21:18stuck she also didn't remember giving a
  504. 21:21witness statement for police or being
  505. 21:24held against her will in a jail cell for
  506. 21:26her interrogation Joyce was
  507. 21:29understandably frustrated by Nicole's
  508. 21:31lack of memory but this didn't stop her
  509. 21:33from moving forward and searched for
  510. 21:35anyone who might have information about
  511. 21:37the case she spoke with George lapchuk
  512. 21:40one of the Crown's last minute Witnesses
  513. 21:42who admitted he was on drugs the night
  514. 21:45that David supposedly reenacted the
  515. 21:47stabbing in the motel room he also
  516. 21:50admitted he was given a lighter sentence
  517. 21:52for the armed robbery charge shortly
  518. 21:54after he testified they also interviewed
  519. 21:57a woman named Deborah Hall who was also
  520. 22:00in the motel room that night but was
  521. 22:02never called to testify at trial well
  522. 22:04she said that Melnick and lapchuk's
  523. 22:06story was a lie and that David had joked
  524. 22:08about the news but didn't reenact a
  525. 22:11stabbing and finally Joyce was able to
  526. 22:14interview shorty who she soon found out
  527. 22:17was under intense pressure by police so
  528. 22:20much so that it really messed with his
  529. 22:22mind they also spoke with Shorty's
  530. 22:24younger brother Dennis and after doing
  531. 22:27so it became clear that shorty was
  532. 22:29mentally unstable and was terrified that
  533. 22:32Milgard would get out of jail and kill
  534. 22:34him so far Joyce's research had
  535. 22:37uncovered several issues with the
  536. 22:39Crown's case the timing of the murder
  537. 22:41didn't make any sense at all the star
  538. 22:44witness had zero credibility the police
  539. 22:46had obviously pressured Witnesses into
  540. 22:49changing their statement and the last
  541. 22:51minute Witnesses clearly lied and should
  542. 22:53have never been called in the first
  543. 22:55place meanwhile Saskatoon Police
  544. 22:58Department was getting a bit agitated
  545. 23:00with Joyce's snooping around the case as
  546. 23:03far as they were concerned was closed
  547. 23:05and the department started contacting
  548. 23:07original Witnesses and told them not to
  549. 23:10talk to Joyce or Peter come completely
  550. 23:12inappropriate behavior in a free country
  551. 23:15people can speak to whomever they choose
  552. 23:17eventually Joyce's efforts to exonerate
  553. 23:20David caught the attention of Howard
  554. 23:22Shannon who had worked with David at
  555. 23:25McLean Hunter and who believed in his
  556. 23:27innocence he offered to pay for
  557. 23:30high-profile Saskatchewan lawyer Tony
  558. 23:32Merchant who believed the police's
  559. 23:34Behavior with Rana Nicole was corrupt
  560. 23:37quote there was considerable reason to
  561. 23:40believe that they took these Witnesses
  562. 23:42and sweated the living heck out of them
  563. 23:44because the police were under tremendous
  564. 23:46pressure with their inability to solve
  565. 23:49this crime at this point they had
  566. 23:51uncovered a ton of inconsistencies but
  567. 23:54nothing to prove that Milgard didn't
  568. 23:56murder Gail Miller fresh evidence was
  569. 23:59needed in order for the courts to take
  570. 24:01up the case Tony Merchant realized that
  571. 24:04the best chance in reopening the case
  572. 24:06was getting original witnesses to tell
  573. 24:09the truth that the police pressured them
  574. 24:11into changing their statement but for
  575. 24:13this argument to work the witnesses
  576. 24:15would have to come forward and file a
  577. 24:17complaint and this wasn't going to
  578. 24:19happen anytime soon the parole board for
  579. 24:22the time being continued to deny David
  580. 24:24parole and they clearly weren't
  581. 24:27impressed by his attempted escape on
  582. 24:29January 6 1980 after serving two-thirds
  583. 24:33of his sentence Larry Fisher was
  584. 24:35released on mandatory supervision he
  585. 24:38moved back to North Battleford
  586. 24:39Saskatchewan where his mother lived and
  587. 24:42made no effort to contact Linda he was
  588. 24:45out for less than three months before he
  589. 24:47got into trouble again on March 31st
  590. 24:501980 Ellen Samuelson age 56 was walking
  591. 24:55home from work when Fisher jumped out
  592. 24:57from behind a hedge and grabbed her from
  593. 25:00behind held a knife to her throat and
  594. 25:02sexually assaulted her she was also
  595. 25:04gagged and he attempted to kill her by
  596. 25:07slicing her throat and suffocating her
  597. 25:09she ended up being rescued by a neighbor
  598. 25:12close by it didn't take very long for
  599. 25:14police to find their suspect Fisher was
  600. 25:17the only person in town who had served
  601. 25:19time for raping women in the past Larry
  602. 25:22was found in the basement of his
  603. 25:23mother's house washing the victim's
  604. 25:25blood off of his boots while searching
  605. 25:28the basement police also found some of
  606. 25:31the victim's clothing which he had
  607. 25:33hidden under the floorboards Ellen was
  608. 25:35appalled at how the Fisher case was
  609. 25:37handled quote I feel that it is
  610. 25:40outrageous and Despicable that the
  611. 25:43government would rather release fish
  612. 25:44sure without conducting a thorough and
  613. 25:47honest investigation into mounting
  614. 25:49evidence that he murdered Gail Miller as
  615. 25:52well as trying to murder me Fisher would
  616. 25:55end up being sentenced to another 10
  617. 25:57years for rape and attempted murder
  618. 25:59however this time Larry Fisher's crimes
  619. 26:03weren't ignored by the media but Gail
  620. 26:05Miller's murder had occurred so long ago
  621. 26:08that most people in the area had
  622. 26:10forgotten about it one individual though
  623. 26:13that hadn't forgotten about it was Linda
  624. 26:15Fisher Larry's ex-wife after she read
  625. 26:18about the attack in North Battleford she
  626. 26:20became convinced more than ever that
  627. 26:22Larry was responsible for Gail Miller's
  628. 26:25murder also in her mailbox was a flyer
  629. 26:28offering a ten thousand dollar reward to
  630. 26:30help exonerate David Milgard and her
  631. 26:33boyfriend encouraged her to go to the
  632. 26:35police station and tell them what she
  633. 26:37knew quote I gave the police a one-page
  634. 26:41statement listing the reasons I could
  635. 26:43think of why I fell David Milgard was
  636. 26:46innocent and Larry Fisher had committed
  637. 26:48the crime they didn't look at me as if I
  638. 26:50was lying they took it seriously I
  639. 26:53thought but it didn't seem like the
  640. 26:55police took her statement seriously at
  641. 26:57all and the police now knew about the
  642. 27:00ten thousand dollar reward that Joyce
  643. 27:02was offering and were offended by the
  644. 27:04accusation that they had put an innocent
  645. 27:06man in prison Saskatoon police didn't
  646. 27:09even bother to question Fisher about the
  647. 27:11allegations the case as far as they were
  648. 27:14concerned was closed after watching a
  649. 27:17documentary about DNA technology Milgard
  650. 27:21asked his lawyers to pursue this
  651. 27:22possibility if DNA still existed on Gail
  652. 27:26Miller's clothing it could reveal who
  653. 27:28the true killer was and fortunately all
  654. 27:31of the original exhibits from The milgar
  655. 27:33Trial were still available which is
  656. 27:35highly unusual after all legal appeals
  657. 27:38are exhausted the exhibits are usually
  658. 27:41destroyed apparently a court clerk
  659. 27:43working during guard's original trial
  660. 27:46was so convinced of his innocence that
  661. 27:49she ensured that this evidence was
  662. 27:50preserved a motion was made in the
  663. 27:53Saskatchewan Court of Queen's bench to
  664. 27:56release some of the key items to Dr
  665. 27:58James Farris who was head of forensic
  666. 28:01pathology at the University of British
  667. 28:03Columbia Ferris agreed to review the
  668. 28:06evidence free of charge samples were
  669. 28:09taken from Gail's underwear and girdle
  670. 28:11but unfortunately Ferris couldn't find
  671. 28:13enough DNA to run a thorough analysis so
  672. 28:16in Canada we don't really have clemency
  673. 28:19or pardoning laws like they do in
  674. 28:21America our premiers and our prime
  675. 28:24minister can't pardon prisoners for
  676. 28:26their crimes or reduce their sentences
  677. 28:28only the parole board of Canada can
  678. 28:31under the criminal records act under the
  679. 28:34criminal records act the parole board of
  680. 28:36Canada can issue Grant deny and revoke
  681. 28:39pardons the only other option is to
  682. 28:42apply to have the case heard by the
  683. 28:44Supreme Supreme Court of Canada or a
  684. 28:46direct appeal to the federal Minister of
  685. 28:48Justice to review the case but the only
  686. 28:51hope of convincing the Justice minister
  687. 28:53to even consider this was to come up
  688. 28:55with new evidence
  689. 28:56in 1989 a former member of the jury that
  690. 29:00convicted David Milgard in 1969 came
  691. 29:03forward saying he was mentally unstable
  692. 29:06at the time and not strong enough to
  693. 29:09pass judgment on milgard's guilt or
  694. 29:11innocence his name was Fernley Cooney a
  695. 29:14part-time janitor in Saskatoon coonley
  696. 29:17said he had a mental breakdown in 1962
  697. 29:20and between then in 1969 he was in and
  698. 29:24out of Mental Hospitals in 1970 while he
  699. 29:27was out of the hospital but put on
  700. 29:29medication he was informed he had been
  701. 29:32picked for jury duty at milgard's murder
  702. 29:34trial coonley said because he was
  703. 29:37embarrassed about his mental illness he
  704. 29:39never told anyone that he wasn't
  705. 29:41mentally competent to serve he
  706. 29:43originally felt that Milgard was
  707. 29:45innocent but the jurors that felt that
  708. 29:47Milgard was guilty pressured the others
  709. 29:49until he was the only one left
  710. 29:52supporting a not guilty verdict he
  711. 29:55eventually came to the pressure the but
  712. 29:57felt that if he was mentally well he
  713. 29:59would have been able to force a hung
  714. 30:01jury quote I shouldn't have been on that
  715. 30:04jury if it had happened when I was
  716. 30:06younger I wouldn't have let somebody
  717. 30:08persuade me at that time I could be
  718. 30:11persuaded in October 1989 Chief Joe
  719. 30:15penkala issued a press statement saying
  720. 30:18that he was not worried about the report
  721. 30:20that said evidence he gathered back in
  722. 30:231969 wrongfully convicted David Milgard
  723. 30:27and said that everything he did was
  724. 30:29truthful in November of 1989 after
  725. 30:32almost 20 years the federal justice
  726. 30:35department was seriously investigating
  727. 30:37milgard's claims of Innocence he had
  728. 30:40retained a new lawyer David asper who
  729. 30:43filed an application for retrial by 1990
  730. 30:46David milgard's application to the
  731. 30:49Federal Department of Justice was
  732. 30:51starting to get some attention in the
  733. 30:52media however in April of 1990 the
  734. 30:56justice department Department admitted
  735. 30:58to the Leader Post newspaper the David
  736. 31:00milgard's file had never come up for
  737. 31:02review even though his lawyers had
  738. 31:04submitted the application 14 months
  739. 31:07earlier in other words they were
  740. 31:09dragging their feet and within this
  741. 31:1114-month time period there had been a
  742. 31:13federal election and there was a new
  743. 31:15Justice Minister Kim Campbell in May of
  744. 31:181990 Joyce Milgard was done with the
  745. 31:21games that the government was playing
  746. 31:22and tried to hand some documents to Kim
  747. 31:25Campbell personally and I'll show a
  748. 31:27little clip of the video but it's just
  749. 31:29it's incredibly uncomfortable to watch
  750. 31:31Kim Campbell was just incredibly rude
  751. 31:35and the Canadian media happened to be
  752. 31:37there to capture the moment
  753. 31:41Joyce Milgard Paces anxiously she's
  754. 31:44waiting for federal Justice Minister Kim
  755. 31:46Campbell to give her a report she says
  756. 31:49may prove her son David's innocence I'm
  757. 31:52sorry it's Madam if you want your if you
  758. 31:53want your son to have a fair hearing
  759. 31:55don't approach me personally I'm sorry
  760. 31:58I'm sorry but I want her to have her son
  761. 32:00to have a hearing that will withstand
  762. 32:02scrutiny by the court comment on the
  763. 32:04substantive excuse me sorry
  764. 32:07sorry it's very important we cannot
  765. 32:10comment on the substance of the report
  766. 32:11thank you very much I tried I I all I
  767. 32:14wanted to do West letter have the ferris
  768. 32:18report what true department has had
  769. 32:19since 1988 and she claims she hasn't
  770. 32:22seen it Campbell later said quote The
  771. 32:25Minister's impartiality would have been
  772. 32:27jeopardized if she accepted the
  773. 32:29documents fair enough but she could have
  774. 32:32handled that moment with a little bit
  775. 32:33more grace Joyce Milgard also revealed
  776. 32:36in an interview that she had recently
  777. 32:38traveled to Saskatoon and she spoke with
  778. 32:41a person who gave a statement to police
  779. 32:43in 1980 naming a man she believed was
  780. 32:47the real murderer this individual was
  781. 32:49Linda Fisher and for over a decade
  782. 32:51Saskatoon police had done absolutely
  783. 32:54nothing with this information in May of
  784. 32:561990 as Larry Fisher was finally being
  785. 33:00investigated by the RCMP for Gail
  786. 33:02Miller's murder the Press learned that
  787. 33:05Larry had been questioned by police
  788. 33:07briefly four days after the murder took
  789. 33:10place however no one at the time
  790. 33:12realized the significance of this
  791. 33:14interview you supposedly and by now the
  792. 33:17justice department was furious with
  793. 33:19Joyce Milgard her lawyer told her that
  794. 33:22the department said that she was ruining
  795. 33:24the investigation and to that she said
  796. 33:27what investigation they've had this
  797. 33:29information since
  798. 33:311980. also in May of 1990 according to
  799. 33:34Manitoba's chief medical examiner Dr
  800. 33:37Peter Marcus Stein the two yellow spots
  801. 33:40found in the snow next to Gail Miller's
  802. 33:43body may have been dog urine not seamen
  803. 33:46the report stated that it is possible to
  804. 33:49mistake dog urine for human semen
  805. 33:51because male dog urine often contain
  806. 33:54semen in June of 1990 after stalling the
  807. 33:58case for almost a year and a half the
  808. 34:00justice department announced it had
  809. 34:02agreed to meet with the forensic
  810. 34:04Pathologists who disputed David
  811. 34:06milgard's conviction coincidentally on
  812. 34:09the same page of the Star Phoenix
  813. 34:11Saskatoon police chief Joe penkala who
  814. 34:14had remain remained silent about the
  815. 34:16Milgard case up until now issued a
  816. 34:19statement and basically tried to blame
  817. 34:21the media for the constant Milgard
  818. 34:23coverage
  819. 34:24quote my disappointment lies with the
  820. 34:27fact of the insensitivity of the media
  821. 34:29for the victims of a very heinous crime
  822. 34:32that occurred in 1969. penkala seems to
  823. 34:36have forgotten that one of the
  824. 34:37foundations of our justice system is
  825. 34:39that it operates publicly
  826. 34:41in June of 1990 Ron Wilson recanted his
  827. 34:45testimony and accused the police of
  828. 34:48misconduct no longer a scared teenager
  829. 34:51Wilson offered a statement saying
  830. 34:53pressure from the Saskatoon police
  831. 34:55investigators practically brainwashed
  832. 34:57him into incriminating Milgard suddenly
  833. 35:00the Department of Justice stopped
  834. 35:02dragging its heels and began taking it
  835. 35:04very seriously quote it was like a sweat
  836. 35:08session my mind was exhausted and I was
  837. 35:11mentally scrambled I remember it now
  838. 35:14being like brainwashing finally I began
  839. 35:17to implicate Milgard in the murder
  840. 35:18telling the police the things they
  841. 35:21wanted to hear I am now certain that I
  842. 35:23was manipulated by the police and to
  843. 35:25lying and later giving false testimony
  844. 35:28against Milgard by June of 1990 the
  845. 35:31Milgard case was about to become a media
  846. 35:33shitstorm Linda Fisher came forward to
  847. 35:36the media saying that she submitted a
  848. 35:39signed statement to the justice
  849. 35:40department
  850. 35:41in this statement she said she believed
  851. 35:44her husband Larry Fisher was responsible
  852. 35:46for the murder of Gail Miller
  853. 35:48the cat was out of the bag Canada was
  854. 35:51about to learn about Larry Fisher his
  855. 35:54past rape charges in Winnipeg and
  856. 35:56Saskatoon and that he lived in the
  857. 35:59basement of Shorty's house also in June
  858. 36:01of 1990 Albert cadrain also known as
  859. 36:04shorty broke his silence and submitted a
  860. 36:07signed statement to the justice
  861. 36:09department quote before I walked into
  862. 36:12that police station I was a happy normal
  863. 36:14kid my life has never been the same and
  864. 36:17it never will be they put me through
  865. 36:19hell and mental torture it finally
  866. 36:22reached the point where I couldn't stand
  867. 36:24the constant pressure threats and
  868. 36:27bullying anymore those detectives pushed
  869. 36:30me over the edge and I cracked shorty
  870. 36:33also said that he became paranoid during
  871. 36:35the investigation and that he remembers
  872. 36:38being interviewed between 15 to 20 times
  873. 36:41after the trial was over his brother
  874. 36:43encouraged him to commit himself to the
  875. 36:45psychiatric ward at University Hospital
  876. 36:48where where he was drugged for 24 hours
  877. 36:50a day and subjected to electric shock
  878. 36:53therapy in the meantime the justice
  879. 36:55department was still taking its sweet
  880. 36:57ass time on the case but Joyce Milgard
  881. 36:59wasn't in late August of 1990 it was
  882. 37:03announced that she was interviewed for
  883. 37:05the television show a current affair and
  884. 37:07it would be airing in a few weeks this
  885. 37:10was most likely really embarrassing for
  886. 37:12the Canadian government it's one thing
  887. 37:14for a Canadian news organization to
  888. 37:16investigate and to bring attention to a
  889. 37:19suspected wrongful conviction case but
  890. 37:21when Canada makes international news
  891. 37:23it's usually for all the wrong reasons
  892. 37:25and it tends to attract attention that
  893. 37:28the government would rather not deal
  894. 37:29with Joyce Milgard said she contacted
  895. 37:32the show because she was frustrated by
  896. 37:34the lack of Canadian television coverage
  897. 37:36there have been plenty of print stories
  898. 37:38up until this point but the CBC had not
  899. 37:41really aired anything outside of
  900. 37:43Winnipeg and on the east coast of the
  901. 37:45country no one knew anything about
  902. 37:47David's case she shows like The Fifth
  903. 37:49Estate or W5 had yet to cover the story
  904. 37:52in the 1990s the show a current affair
  905. 37:55was seen by about 25 million people in
  906. 37:59the U.S as well as being broadcasted in
  907. 38:02Europe and in Canada and to the producer
  908. 38:04of the show it was worth crossing the
  909. 38:06border to cover the story Saskatoon
  910. 38:09police chief Joe penkala was apparently
  911. 38:11too terrified to talk to a current
  912. 38:13affairs producers as he refused to be
  913. 38:15interviewed on camera by December of
  914. 38:171990 David's case was still lost in
  915. 38:21bureaucratic limbo it was reported that
  916. 38:23some senior officials in the Justice
  917. 38:26Department believed that the department
  918. 38:28lawyer Eugene Williams had purposely
  919. 38:31mishandled the investigation and was
  920. 38:34trying to rewrite his report before
  921. 38:36handing it to Justice Minister Kim
  922. 38:38Campbell milgard's lawyer said that
  923. 38:40concerns about Williams grew when he met
  924. 38:42with other Justice Department officials
  925. 38:44back in October of 1990 saying quote
  926. 38:47there is a very very clear bias against
  927. 38:50our client honestly I think this is the
  928. 38:53point where the justice department was
  929. 38:54secretly hoping that Joyce melgaard
  930. 38:56would just give up and go away but that
  931. 38:59wasn't going to happen in February of
  932. 39:021991 Justice Minister Kim Campbell
  933. 39:05refused to intervene in the murder
  934. 39:07conviction of David Milgard I don't
  935. 39:10think she was truly prepared for the
  936. 39:11blowback she was about to receive for
  937. 39:13this decision she is quoted as saying I
  938. 39:16have concluded there is no reason to
  939. 39:18believe a miscarriage of justice is
  940. 39:21likely to have occurred in this case oh
  941. 39:23how wrong she was
  942. 39:25she also acknowledged that it is quite
  943. 39:28coincidental that a man who would be
  944. 39:30convicted of more than one rape lived
  945. 39:33about a block away from Miller but there
  946. 39:35was no evidence to connect him with the
  947. 39:37slang David was understandably
  948. 39:39devastated by this decision a private
  949. 39:42detective Paul Henderson who spent more
  950. 39:45than a year on the case speculated that
  951. 39:47the only possible explanation for the
  952. 39:50refusal to reconsider the case is that
  953. 39:53the government doesn't want to admit its
  954. 39:55own mistakes that they have kept an
  955. 39:57innocent man in prison they don't want
  956. 39:59to admit they screwed up around this
  957. 40:02time Serge kajala who is the prosecutor
  958. 40:05during David's unsuccessful appeal
  959. 40:07started speaking with the media saying
  960. 40:10that what bothered him about the case
  961. 40:11was milgard's failure to take the stand
  962. 40:14in his own defense well sir he didn't
  963. 40:17take the stand because in Canada we have
  964. 40:19the right to remain silent on August 29
  965. 40:221991 the Globe and Mail paper reported
  966. 40:25that files that were important to the
  967. 40:28Milgard case had disappeared from the
  968. 40:31Saskatoon Police Department computerized
  969. 40:34record system a police source told the
  970. 40:37Globe and Mail quote something went on
  971. 40:39it's very bizarre it's something that
  972. 40:42just shouldn't happen for every detail
  973. 40:45like that to vanish somebody's tampered
  974. 40:47with the system for days the police were
  975. 40:50investigating the alleged disappearance
  976. 40:52of at least four files that concerned
  977. 40:55serial rapist Larry Fisher the missing
  978. 40:57files were the four sexual assaults that
  979. 41:00took place in Saskatoon three before
  980. 41:02Gail Miller's murder and one after
  981. 41:04milgard's conviction coincidence I think
  982. 41:07not the Globe and Mail also reported
  983. 41:10that a fifth file that involved another
  984. 41:13unsolved sexual assault was also missing
  985. 41:15she was attacked a few blocks away from
  986. 41:18where Gail Miller was killed sometime
  987. 41:20between August 16th and the 27th the
  988. 41:23files spontaneously disappeared that is
  989. 41:26not a coincidence and totally reeks up a
  990. 41:29cover-up in my opinion of course already
  991. 41:32the Saskatoon police are not looking too
  992. 41:35good and they just made things worse for
  993. 41:37themselves then in September it was
  994. 41:40announced that more police records were
  995. 41:42missing an access of information request
  996. 41:45made by Ron Wilson's lawyer revealed
  997. 41:48that results Iran's polygraph tests
  998. 41:50could not be located
  999. 41:52shortly after Joyce Milgard held a
  1000. 41:55peaceful protest outside the hotel where
  1001. 41:58prime minister Brian moroney was holding
  1002. 42:00a speaking engagement she and other
  1003. 42:02supporters held candles one for each
  1004. 42:05year David had spent in prison prime
  1005. 42:08minister mulrooney actually met with her
  1006. 42:10and told her she was Courageous by
  1007. 42:12October of 1991 public pressure was
  1008. 42:16starting to mount on Justice Minister
  1009. 42:17Kim Campbell milgard's lawyer had filed
  1010. 42:20a second application citing new evidence
  1011. 42:23plus there was the little conundrum of
  1012. 42:26the missing police files that were
  1013. 42:28looking more and more suspicious on
  1014. 42:30October 1991 former police chief Joe
  1015. 42:33pincola had a full-blown media meltdown
  1016. 42:36saying that he had had it with the
  1017. 42:38rumors and innuendos when it came to the
  1018. 42:41Milgard case and in late October of 1991
  1019. 42:44Milgard was quietly transferred to a
  1020. 42:47minimum security Annex at Stony Mountain
  1021. 42:50Penitentiary the Pearl board wouldn't
  1022. 42:52move him up into this point because he
  1023. 42:54refused to admit he was guilty which he
  1024. 42:57wasn't but shortly after Joyce Milgard
  1025. 42:59met with prime minister Brian moroney
  1026. 43:01and a phone call came in from his office
  1027. 43:04the parole board of Canada seemed to
  1028. 43:06have a change of heart and approved the
  1029. 43:09transfer however they once again denied
  1030. 43:12parole the court of public opinion can
  1031. 43:14be a powerful thing and Kim Campbell was
  1032. 43:17starting to have second thoughts about
  1033. 43:18not reviewing the Milgard case there was
  1034. 43:21a constant media focus on this case as
  1035. 43:24well as her boss Brian moroney publicly
  1036. 43:26met with Joyce Milgard she was running
  1037. 43:28out of excuses so in November of 1991
  1038. 43:32Kim Campbell finally agreed to refer
  1039. 43:35David milgard's case to the Supreme
  1040. 43:37Court of Canada the case was literally
  1041. 43:40fast tracked to the Supreme Court which
  1042. 43:42never happens within a month it was
  1043. 43:45being argued the former prosecutor for
  1044. 43:47the Saskatchewan appeals court Serge
  1045. 43:50kajawa who is now an end
  1046. 43:52dpmla had some Choice words about the
  1047. 43:55Supreme Court review apparently surge
  1048. 43:58needed to educate himself about the
  1049. 44:00Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms
  1050. 44:02which granted didn't exist back in 1969
  1051. 44:05but was now the law of the land in 1991.
  1052. 44:08he stated in the Winnipeg Sun quote it
  1053. 44:12doesn't matter if Milgard is innocent
  1054. 44:14I'm not primarily concerned with his
  1055. 44:16guilt or innocence what I am concerned
  1056. 44:19with is you and the lawyers are selling
  1057. 44:22us down the river the whole judicial
  1058. 44:24system is at issue it's worth more than
  1059. 44:27just one person needless to say after
  1060. 44:29issuing that horrific statement other
  1061. 44:32members of the provincial government
  1062. 44:33started distancing themselves from Mr
  1063. 44:35Kujawa meanwhile Eddie Hurst who was a
  1064. 44:38Saskatoon police detective on the
  1065. 44:40Milgard case back in 1969 admitted to
  1066. 44:44meeting with Larry Fisher after denying
  1067. 44:46that he ever did in October of 1970 cars
  1068. 44:50had traveled to Winnipeg to interview
  1069. 44:51Fisher about four Saskatoon sexual
  1070. 44:54assaults Fisher's confession to these
  1071. 44:57four attacks as we know would
  1072. 44:59mysteriously disappear suddenly from the
  1073. 45:02computer system but that's not the only
  1074. 45:04suspicious incident on top of this other
  1075. 45:07police sources say that Eddie karst
  1076. 45:09should have never been assigned the
  1077. 45:11Fisher case at all because he was in the
  1078. 45:13homicide division not the division that
  1079. 45:16handles sexual assaults so who approved
  1080. 45:19this who ordered him to go to Winnipeg
  1081. 45:21and who else went with him I believed
  1082. 45:24that Eddie karst and others on the
  1083. 45:26Saskatoon police force knew almost from
  1084. 45:28the beginning that Larry Fisher was the
  1085. 45:30real killer and that was the reason for
  1086. 45:33this highly unusual trip in January of
  1087. 45:351992 the Supreme Court of Canada finally
  1088. 45:39took up the David Milgard case it was
  1089. 45:42highly publicized and the Supreme Court
  1090. 45:44of Canada was kind of in Uncharted
  1091. 45:46Territory they had never taken up a case
  1092. 45:49this way before and in October 14 1992
  1093. 45:53the Supreme Court of Canada overturned
  1094. 45:56David milgard's conviction they said in
  1095. 45:59the ruling that new evidence together
  1096. 46:02with existing evidence quote could
  1097. 46:05reasonably be expected to have affected
  1098. 46:08the verdict however they also said that
  1099. 46:11they were not satisfied Beyond A
  1100. 46:13Reasonable Doubt the David Milgard was
  1101. 46:15innocent of the murder of Gail Miller
  1102. 46:17which meant the province of Saskatchewan
  1103. 46:20had the option however unlikely to try
  1104. 46:23him again the day after the Supreme
  1105. 46:25Court of Canada's verdict Saskatchewan
  1106. 46:28attorney general Bob Mitchell decided
  1107. 46:30not to try David Milgard a second time
  1108. 46:33David was finally free however his name
  1109. 46:36wasn't cleared and reaction from the
  1110. 46:39public was mixed he had tons of support
  1111. 46:41but there were those who were afraid of
  1112. 46:43him too Gail Miller's family was
  1113. 46:46understandably devastated and their
  1114. 46:48story had kind of been lost through this
  1115. 46:50entire fiasco the day after the Supreme
  1116. 46:53Court verdict they said they wanted a
  1117. 46:55public inquiry into the case and there
  1118. 46:58were still a ton of unanswered questions
  1119. 47:00why did the Saskatoon police fail to
  1120. 47:03pursue similarities between Larry
  1121. 47:05Fisher's crimes and Miller's murder when
  1122. 47:08they took the confession from Fisher
  1123. 47:10nine months after milgard's conviction
  1124. 47:12and milgard's defense lawyer caltelis
  1125. 47:16didn't know at the time of the original
  1126. 47:18trial that police were originally
  1127. 47:20looking for connections between the
  1128. 47:22unsolved rapes in Saskatoon and Miller's
  1129. 47:25murder before they zeroed in on Milgard
  1130. 47:27why didn't the crown or the police
  1131. 47:29disclose this information to him why did
  1132. 47:32the Saskatoon police department and the
  1133. 47:34provincial justice department choose to
  1134. 47:36issue a direct indictment against Fisher
  1135. 47:39in Regina when he should have been sent
  1136. 47:41back to Saskatoon to face charges there
  1137. 47:43why were Fisher's victims never notified
  1138. 47:46of his arrest or his conviction why was
  1139. 47:49Fishers guilty pleased for the Saskatoon
  1140. 47:51rapes delayed until after milgard's
  1141. 47:53appeals were exhausted and then there's
  1142. 47:55the issue of the supposed missing files
  1143. 47:58after doing some digging milgard's
  1144. 48:01lawyers uncovered that one of the files
  1145. 48:03went missing as early as 1974.
  1146. 48:06individually there may be some very
  1147. 48:08simple answers to these questions but
  1148. 48:10when added altogether the whole thing
  1149. 48:12stinks of corruption from top to bottom
  1150. 48:14in my opinion of course so David was now
  1151. 48:18free but the Canadian government had no
  1152. 48:21plans to compensate him for the 23 years
  1153. 48:23they stole from him and refused to hold
  1154. 48:26a public inquiry as far as
  1155. 48:28Saskatchewan's Justice Minister Bob
  1156. 48:30Mitchell was concerned there wasn't
  1157. 48:32anything to inquire into as the Supreme
  1158. 48:35Court ruling stated there was nothing
  1159. 48:37improper with either the police
  1160. 48:39investigation or the trial Bob Mitchell
  1161. 48:42was also refusing to lay charges against
  1162. 48:44Larry Fisher for Gail Miller's murder
  1163. 48:46saying quote there's nothing more to be
  1164. 48:49done with it it's something I think we
  1165. 48:51should all just try to to put behind us
  1166. 48:52and carry on with life that wasn't going
  1167. 48:55to happen things were just getting
  1168. 48:57warmed up completely unrelated to the
  1169. 48:59case but still significant in May of
  1170. 49:021995 Albert could drain or shorty was
  1171. 49:06shot and killed by a hunter and Mission
  1172. 49:08British Columbia who apparently mistook
  1173. 49:11him for a bear the whole story sounds a
  1174. 49:13little sketchy to be honest shorty was
  1175. 49:16apparently checking on a marijuana crop
  1176. 49:18and the hunter was only about 80 feet
  1177. 49:21away when he was shot I mean it is a
  1178. 49:23possibility but the whole marijuana
  1179. 49:26thing factored in I don't know it just
  1180. 49:28sounds a little weird in 1995 another
  1181. 49:31man named gay pal Moran who was
  1182. 49:34convicted for the murder of a little
  1183. 49:35girl in Ontario and who had spent 10
  1184. 49:38years in prison for the crime had just
  1185. 49:40been cleared by DNA testing DNA tests
  1186. 49:44had greatly improved since milgard's
  1187. 49:46previous test in 1988 and 1992. he
  1188. 49:49contacted maren's lawyer Jane James
  1189. 49:52lockyer who would join David's legal
  1190. 49:54team and negotiated with the federal
  1191. 49:56justice department for DNA testing
  1192. 49:58another two years would pass and then
  1193. 50:01finally in May of 1997 the test would be
  1194. 50:05conducted by the British forensic
  1195. 50:07science services in England at the time
  1196. 50:09it was believed to be the oldest
  1197. 50:11evidence to undergo DNA testing in an
  1198. 50:14attempt to exonerate a person convicted
  1199. 50:16of a crime Larry Fisher's DNA was also
  1200. 50:19tested and compared and on July 19 1997
  1201. 50:2427 years after being convicted it was
  1202. 50:27announced that DNA tests officially
  1203. 50:30cleared Milgard not only that but the
  1204. 50:32DNA sample conclusively matched Larry
  1205. 50:35Fisher but the Saskatoon police were
  1206. 50:37still reluctant to file charges against
  1207. 50:39Larry Fisher saying that if the DNA
  1208. 50:42results were released by David milgard's
  1209. 50:44lawyers they would consider Larry Fisher
  1210. 50:46as their Prime Suspect but in the
  1211. 50:49meantime they had no plans to charge him
  1212. 50:51and insisting that they don't have
  1213. 50:53enough evidence to make an arrest Bob
  1214. 50:55Caldwell and serge kajawa the two men
  1215. 50:58who prosecuted David Milgard immediately
  1216. 51:01issued a public apology for the failing
  1217. 51:03of the system but they also maintained
  1218. 51:06that they did nothing wrong but the
  1219. 51:08apology in itself was just weird Bob
  1220. 51:11Caldwell had gone way beyond the call of
  1221. 51:14duty by sending the parole board
  1222. 51:16detailed information over the years in
  1223. 51:19an effort to convince the parole board
  1224. 51:21not to release David and kajawa had made
  1225. 51:24many inappropriate statements since
  1226. 51:26David's release this wasn't really a
  1227. 51:29heartfelt apology this was them trying
  1228. 51:31to salvage their political careers the
  1229. 51:34Saskatoon police however outright
  1230. 51:36refused to make an apology or even admit
  1231. 51:39they made a mistake instead the police
  1232. 51:42chief just blamed press hysteria over
  1233. 51:45the case and that the media was just
  1234. 51:48stirring up controversy because the
  1235. 51:50Saskatoon police refused to do their job
  1236. 51:53and arrest Larry Fisher the RCMP took
  1237. 51:56over the case and almost immediately
  1238. 51:58issued a canada-wide warrant for his
  1239. 52:00arrest Larry Fisher would be arrested in
  1240. 52:03Late July 1997 in Calgary and charged
  1241. 52:07with the 1969 murder of Gail Miller
  1242. 52:10funny how the Saskatoon Police
  1243. 52:12Department didn't think there was enough
  1244. 52:13evidence to charge him but the RCMP did
  1245. 52:16the Saskatchewan government finally
  1246. 52:19agreed to hold a public inquiry and to
  1247. 52:21compensate David for the 23 years he
  1248. 52:24spent in prison they really didn't have
  1249. 52:26a choice if they fought compensation
  1250. 52:29they would lose and end up costing the
  1251. 52:31taxpayers more money in 1999 David
  1252. 52:34Milgard was given a 10 million dollar
  1253. 52:36compensation package from the provincial
  1254. 52:39and federal government it would take
  1255. 52:41another two years before Larry Fisher
  1256. 52:44was brought to trial for Gail Miller's
  1257. 52:46murder but in November of 1999 Larry
  1258. 52:49Fisher would be found guilty of her rape
  1259. 52:52and murder and sends to life in prison
  1260. 52:54it would take another four years for the
  1261. 52:56Saskatchewan government to announce
  1262. 52:58there would be a public inquiry into how
  1263. 53:00Milgard was wrongfully convicted for
  1264. 53:03Gail Miller's murder and another two
  1265. 53:05years for the inquiry to begin
  1266. 53:06apparently the Saskatchewan government
  1267. 53:09wanted to wait until all of Larry
  1268. 53:11Fisher's appeals were exhausted before
  1269. 53:13launching the inquiry when the Supreme
  1270. 53:15Court of Canada refused to hear Fisher's
  1271. 53:18appeal the public inquiry of David
  1272. 53:21milgard's wrongful conviction began in
  1273. 53:23January 2005. the inquiry ran for two
  1274. 53:27years it called 114 witnesses to testify
  1275. 53:31and had more than 3 000 exhibits the
  1276. 53:35entire inquiry contained over 300 000
  1277. 53:38pages and produced over forty thousand
  1278. 53:41pages of transcripts in terms of costs
  1279. 53:43the public inquiry of David milgard's
  1280. 53:46wrongful conviction caused the province
  1281. 53:48of Saskatchewan 11.2 million dollars
  1282. 53:51that's on top of the 10 million dollars
  1283. 53:53they had to pay David in 2008 the
  1284. 53:57inquiry report was released with 13
  1285. 53:59recommendations to reform prosecution
  1286. 54:02and policing in Canada among these
  1287. 54:05recommendations was a suggestion that
  1288. 54:07the federal government established an
  1289. 54:10independent review commission to examine
  1290. 54:12the claims of wrongful convictions quote
  1291. 54:15the criminal justice system failed David
  1292. 54:18Milgard and that he might have been
  1293. 54:20released sooner had the police followed
  1294. 54:22up on a tip they received in 1980. the
  1295. 54:26inquiry though also absolved the police
  1296. 54:28of any wrongdoing and said that the
  1297. 54:31investigation was done in accordance
  1298. 54:33with the standards of the day and in
  1299. 54:35good faith quote tunnel vision
  1300. 54:38negligence and misconduct may have been
  1301. 54:41alleged but is not shown said the
  1302. 54:43commissioner the inquiry recommended for
  1303. 54:46the federal government to create an
  1304. 54:48independent body to review allegations
  1305. 54:50of wrongful conviction the report stated
  1306. 54:53that if such a body had existed Milgard
  1307. 54:56might have been released from prison
  1308. 54:57years earlier David however believes the
  1309. 55:00truth was intentionally being covered up
  1310. 55:02and that the police and the prosecutors
  1311. 55:04knew that he was innocent but
  1312. 55:06intentionally kept quiet about it to
  1313. 55:09save their careers and their reputation
  1314. 55:11Milgard says he understands the pressure
  1315. 55:13his friends were placed under by a
  1316. 55:16police force desperate for a conviction
  1317. 55:18he says he's forgiven them both quote
  1318. 55:21Nicole John was kept inside a jail cell
  1319. 55:24until she did what they wanted her to do
  1320. 55:27Wilson was told that he was probably
  1321. 55:29going to be charged with murder if he
  1322. 55:31didn't do what they wanted him to do in
  1323. 55:34the end none of the questions regarding
  1324. 55:37the alleged Larry Fisher cover-up were
  1325. 55:39ever answered the inquiry acknowledged a
  1326. 55:42terrible Injustice had occurred but
  1327. 55:44neither the police or the prosecutor
  1328. 55:46were held responsible for what happened
  1329. 55:48to David the government just kind of
  1330. 55:51wanted this whole mess to go away Larry
  1331. 55:53Fisher would eventually die in prison in
  1332. 55:562015 at the age of 65. David in the
  1333. 56:00meantime became an advocate for the
  1334. 56:02wrongfully accused telling CTV News
  1335. 56:05Winnipeg he hoped his presence would
  1336. 56:07Inspire and encourage other wrongfully
  1337. 56:10convicted people to never give up their
  1338. 56:12fight to prove their innocence and
  1339. 56:14regain their freedom in his later years
  1340. 56:16Milgard helped raise awareness about
  1341. 56:19wrongful convictions and demanded action
  1342. 56:22on the way Canadian courts review
  1343. 56:24convictions quote I think it's important
  1344. 56:27for everybody not just lawyers but for
  1345. 56:30the public itself to be aware that
  1346. 56:32wrongful convictions are taking place
  1347. 56:34and that these people are sitting right
  1348. 56:36now behind bars and they're trying to
  1349. 56:39get out the policies that are keeping
  1350. 56:41them there need to be changed the
  1351. 56:44wrongful conviction review process is
  1352. 56:46failing us all miserably David would
  1353. 56:49continue his advocacy work until May
  1354. 56:51date of 2022 when sadly David passed
  1355. 56:56away at the age of 69 from complications
  1356. 56:59related to pneumonia and that brings me
  1357. 57:01to the end of this very sad story David
  1358. 57:04also had a YouTube channel if you'd like
  1359. 57:06to know more about him I will link the
  1360. 57:08Channel Down Below thank you so much for
  1361. 57:10taking the time to hang out with me if
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  1364. 57:16more of these wrongfully convicted cases
  1365. 57:18while I was researching this one I
  1366. 57:20discovered there were quite a few that
  1367. 57:22have kind of been lost in history if you
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  1371. 57:29below thank you so much for watching and
  1372. 57:32I will see you next time

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